March 5, 2025 • 45 mins
Discover how to fast track your career by obtaining the PMP certification in weeks, instead of the traditional 6-8 months, with Tamara McLemore's innovative Boot Camp. In this episode, Jess and Brandon dive into the importance of this credential, how it can significantly increase your salary, and the experiences Tamara has gathered throughout her career. Whether you’re considering the PMP or not, this episode is filled with career advice to help you level up at any stage.
What you’ll learn about:
• Overview of the PMP Certification
• Benefits of obtaining PMP for career advancement
• The importance of community and networking in career growth
• How Tamara streamlined the traditional PMP certification process
• Insights into mindset shifts required for professional development
• Real-life success stories of past Boot Camp participants
• Discussion on skills transferability and the relevance of project management
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
In today's episode we talk about the Project
Management Professional PMPcertification and how you can
obtain it in 30 days or lessthrough Tamara McLemore's Boot
Camp and Training Program.
The PMP is a professionalcertification you can get to
help you increase your salary by$30,000 and up and is valuable
to any organization.
If you are looking to advanceyour career, then this episode
(00:23):
is for you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Financial freedom's where we go.
Smart investments, money flow.
Hey babe, what are we talkingabout today?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Today, we are talking about how people, specifically
women in the mid-level of theircareer, can really level up
through a certification that Ithink is becoming more popular.
I spend a lot of time onLinkedIn and I'm seeing a lot of
people obtain this PMPcertification, and that's what
(00:57):
we're going to be talking abouttoday with Tamara McLemore, who
is a PMP professional speakerall the things and we're going
to dig into why thiscertification is so special and
how it can really help advancewomen's careers into, you know,
that six-figure realm that we'reall striving for, put some
(01:17):
credibility behind all of thehard work that we're doing, and
so we're going to dig into whythis PMP is so important and,
more importantly, throughTamara's program, how you can
quickly achieve thecertification.
So, tamara, we're reallyexcited to have this
conversation with you today, sothank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited to share withyour audience all the gems that
they need to level up theircareer.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh my gosh.
I'm excited, too, because we'reall about getting women paid,
making sure that people areliving in a career that they
love right, because, just likemoney is a tool.
Having a career that you arepassionate about, that you don't
mind going to work for everysingle day, but also making sure
that you're being properlycompensated, is really important
(02:05):
.
So giving people these kinds oftools and having this
conversation today is going tobe really important.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And also the thing is , too, is that, you know, for
the fellows that are listeningout there, don't tune out just
because we kind of prefaced itwith, you know, a focus on women
, because the same informationis applicable in your situation.
But, let's be honest, mostthings are tailored towards us,
so there's no need to even, youknow, speak specifically on that
.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Let's focus on the women for a little bit, that's
right.
Thanks, babe, love that Allright.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Tamara, no, go ahead.
You must have talked to myhusband because when my
organization started it was justfor women during COVID and he
was like, wait a minute, womenhave so many organizations and
programs and the whole Me Toomovement.
He felt like it was reversediscrimination.
And so I do let a few good menin my program.
(02:52):
So, absolutely, I have somereally great men in my program
and they actually provide adifferent dynamic to the group.
So I appreciate you saying that, brandon, men are welcome,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh, that's perfect.
We are all inclusive here.
But sometimes it does makesense to focus on the women
because, like Brandon said, alot, especially in the corporate
world right, a lot revolvesaround men and then the women
often get left behind, and weknow that from all the surveys
and research that's done aboutwomen rising through the ranks
(03:25):
and all of that.
So we just want to make surethat women are getting theirs.
You know, but it's a great callout.
All right, let's get into thisbio, because we have a lot of
things to talk about today.
Tamara McLemore is the founderof Tamara McLemore Enterprises.
She is an executive consultant,certified project management
professional instructor andsought-after, award-winning
speaker.
Her expertise lies in coaching.
(04:00):
Mid-career professional womenempowering has successfully
shortened the traditionalpreparation timeline, enabling
candidates to pass their PMPwithin 30 days, a process that
typically takes six to eightmonths.
That's incredible, because I'velooked into my PMP and who has
six to eight months?
So we're going to talk aboutthat.
The accelerated timeline notonly aims to achieve
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certification, but also positionwomen in the careers they truly
deserve.
With a wealth of experiencespanning over 25 years in
various industries, includingtechnology, federal government
and aviation, tamara's expertisehas been recognized through her
appearances as a guest on theWomen of Project Management and
the Harvard Business ReviewWomen at Work podcast, and has
(04:43):
been a keynote speaker atprestigious events such as the
Women of Project ManagementConference, ae Ignite Conference
and the Wonder Women TechSummit.
She is also a LinkedIn topvoice in project management and
has shared her knowledge byteaching project management at
universities and organizationsworldwide, including appearances
in India and Dubai.
(05:04):
Outside of her professionalendeavors, tamara enjoys
traveling extensively and livesby the motto to be a service to
all mankind.
Thank you, tamara, for beinghere.
That is quite the bio, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I feel like I need to up my game.
My bio is like one fourth ofthat.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
We all have to strive for something.
I'm like, who did all that?
Who has the time for all that?
But it's necessary because, youknow, we as women have to do so
much more to get the same orless.
So, yes, unfortunately, thatdoesn't include my bag.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Whenever I read these bios, that's exactly the
thought that I have of like whohas the time?
When do you sleep?
How do you get it all done?
But I mean spanning over that25 year career and all all done.
But I mean spanning over that25 year career and all the
different industries.
I mean you have been busy, sokudos to you.
Thank you, tamara.
We like to start all of ourguest conversations with your
(05:57):
first money memory, becauseobviously we are a financial
literacy podcast.
We're going to talk into how wecan level up our coins with
that PMP, but first, we want toknow a little bit more about you
and your first money memory.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So I would have to say it was around the time that
we're in.
Right now, as we're recordingthis, it's almost the holiday
season, and so growing up Iremember my mother.
I guess she was trying to prepme for what I was and was not
going to get for Christmas.
And I tell this story becauseI'm teaching a bootcamp now and
I use the analogy in thatbootcamp.
When we gather the requirements, your customer wants everything
(06:37):
in the kitchen sink.
They have champagne, taste andbeer, money, and so that's the
same thing with our Christmaslist.
We have all this stuff.
And recently, when the Barbiemovie came out, my mom's like,
refresh my memory, did you everget the Barbie house?
I'm like, yes, I didn't get themain house, I did get the
summer home.
So maybe that's why I like totravel all the time.
I got the summer home.
(06:58):
That was the compromise,probably with the cost, and so
there's some things my parentsmade me understand during that
time.
We have some wants and we havesome needs.
I'm going to get underwear,pajamas.
I'm going to get savings bondswhich I hated, that brown
envelope, but as an adult.
I liked it, you know, and sothey just.
(07:19):
I guess she started prepping meat a very early age and I was
gathering requirements and youknow, and softening the blow of
what I was going to get forChristmas.
So that is my early memory ofmoney to understand wants and
needs in the household and whatI was going to get for Christmas
.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I love that we talk about that a lot.
And even Brynn, he has to checkme sometimes and he'll be like,
is that a want or a need?
And I'm like, boy, if you don'tleave me alone right now
because, but it is so important.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And now we're she likes to replace things that are
perfectly fine with somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We don't have time for that conversation today,
cameron, do we necessarily?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
need to replace it, or do you just want to replace
it?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So when you're talking about requirements as
far as project management, I'vebeen told that I'm a great
litigator, Like I can.
I have all the pros and thecons and I am going to convince
you that is actually a necessity, a need.
So I can go on and on with that, because I learned at a very
young age.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I might invite you into our home during the next
want versus needs conversationand you can help me with that
list, because, yeah, but it's avery valuable lesson,
(08:49):
no-transcript, like we need thetrucks, we need the Ninja
Turtles or whatever.
And then my daughter, who's alittle bit older.
She said, well, you have tohave underwear, you have to have
clothes that fit, you know.
And so having those discussionsearly on, they don't need to be
intimidating, but they reallyto your point, they stick with
(09:10):
you, you know, throughout yourlife.
So it's so vital.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I would also say it as a kid, when I learned that
early on from my mom I didn'task for crazy things.
Later on, like I think, if youwere to talk to my mom and you
know like some kids ask forcrazy things later on, like I
think, if you were to talk to mymom and you know like some kids
ask for, like when they're liketeenagers and stuff like that,
ask for like asinine things, andlike I never did that because I
was like you knew, I knew Iknew where my, I knew where my
(09:34):
limit was in regards to you know, asking for certain things.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
And the way my logistic brainworks is it's yes, I'm in
project management, my mom, I'min project management.
I grew up in St Louis but mymom is from Chicago, and so I
had to.
My logistic brain was like howis Santa going to last minute
get XYZ from St Louis to Chicagoif we have to go the last
(09:57):
minute?
And so that was my little kidlogistic brain as well, like I
got to make it easy for Santa,because if I don't, then I risk
not getting anything.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh my gosh, might use that one.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I love that, I know Santa can't bring all that from
here to there.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Yeah, we'll tuck that one in our back pocket?
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(10:38):
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(10:59):
Let's get into why you're here,because you know you're a
little girl.
We just talked about Christmas.
You did not grow up correct meif I'm wrong, but I'm going to
guess you did not grow up sayingI'm going to be a project
management professional.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Right, right.
How did we get here, Tamara?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It is a funny story.
So growing up, I'm just goingto let you.
If I was to ask you what mymajor was in undergrad and what
I was really good in high school, you would never guess.
So I'll go ahead and tell you.
I wanted to be a journalist.
I was cover story editor of theschool newspaper, I was editor
of the yearbook I can go on andon.
I was in the summer programs atMizzou University of Missouri,
columbia, which is one of thebest journalism schools out
there.
I wanted to be Hannah Storm, Iwanted to be Barbara Walters and
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then fast forward, oprah.
That's what I wanted to be.
And I went to undergrad atXavier University and they're
known for puttingAfrican-Americans and minorities
into med school.
And I would take my friends tostudy for the MCAT, to get in
med school.
And the guy was like what areyou going to do?
Like literally, you're droppingeverybody off to study for the
(12:11):
MCAT, to get in med school.
What are you going to do?
And I'm like dang, I'm feelingthe same way.
What am I going to do?
Because I just thought yourundergrad was it.
But all my friends are going tomed school, going to get their
MBA.
So they had me take anassessment and it said I was
good at, I was an analyticperson and I should go to law
school.
I'm like, oh.
(12:32):
So.
Then I started studying for theLSAT because the test told me
so, but I could not go throughwith it.
I just like I do not want to bea lawyer.
Fast forward.
My aunt worked for MCI WorldComand she was like you need to
get in technology.
That is an industry that is upand coming.
This is before Y2K, so I havedated myself.
She was like this is the nextthing, and at that time you
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didn't push back.
When people told you what to do, you did it, and so it's as
simple as that.
That's how I got in technology,because I was told to.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
There you go.
Well, it's so interestingbecause you know you're supposed
to have your whole life figuredout by the time you're 21, 22
years old, right?
And then I vividly remember Ihad, like, I think, a panic
attack of like what am I goingto do with my life?
Like graduation was rightaround the corner, and I think
we put so much pressure on youngpeople to have it all figured
out.
And you know, I'm knocking on40.
And I don't know if I have itfigured out yet.
(13:27):
I don't know what I want to bewhen I grow up, you know.
So it's too much pressure, butit's interesting how you made
those pivots, because a testtold you or somebody told you
you know to do this or to dothat.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know exactly how you feel because I actually did
a year of law school and yeah.
So like I was the kid in highschool that you know I want to
be an attorney after I undergrad, went straight to law school,
did a year and then likerealized that that is not the
life for me and I had zero ideawhat to do after that, like I
had no backup plan.
I'd like at that time, most ofthe time when you say you want
to be an attorney, you're decent, yeah, I was.
(14:00):
You know, I did well in schoolno one was like, oh, maybe you
should have a backup plan.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Not at all Right, never thought about it.
Too much pressure.
So, you wound up in tech.
And then what was your journeythere?
Because something led you tounderstanding the value of this
PMP certification.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, I had amazing mentors and at that time tech
was just for techie people andit was all male dominated and
most of them were out of themilitary, very few women of any
nationality.
But in that situation I gotpromotions every six months,
definitely every year, and thisis before.
Imposter syndrome was a thingand I'm like why am I getting
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all these promotions, thesebonuses, why am I getting on
these high profile projects?
What is going on?
And executives pulled me asideand they were.
They were frank.
They were like Tamara, whenyou're not here, shit don't move
.
You know.
They were like and they werejust like if you're sick or
you're on vacation, I'm like, Idon't understand.
I have everything outlined forthem.
My auto office says who tocontact, what to do.
(15:05):
It is.
I don't know how I can make itany easier.
And they were just like.
They're just not capable.
And here goes this is where thecommunication skills come in.
I can speak the tech languagebecause I was able to learn it,
being with the engineers withthe switches and the cell sites
when the equipment delivered inthe field the capacity engineers
(15:25):
, the dimensioning engineers,and then I'm also with the end
users and the less technicalpeople.
So I was the one to bridge thatcommunication gap, making sure
everybody had all the materialthey needed the warehouse
workers and it was just my jamand I thought can't everybody
talk to people?
They're like no, no, no.
Can everybody stand up in frontof the C-suite and report, you
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know, and break hard news andbad news to people.
That is going to sting, but yougot to deliver it so we can get
it out the way and resolve it.
They're like heck, no, mostpeople run and hide and act like
that.
It's not happening.
And so very, very early on inmy early twenties, I was told I
had this gift over and over andover.
As a matter of fact, in myprofessional development and my
(16:14):
appraisals I would get deemed asa female for not speaking up
more and they would say Tamara,you, you, you know all this
stuff and the men are looking toyou and you're quiet.
You need to speak up in themeetings.
Everybody's looking for you,looking to you, because they
know you have the answers andyou're just quiet.
And so they just groomed me andtaught me how to have my voice
(16:39):
and I haven't shut up since.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I would say that sounds like it's the rarest
scenario, especially during thattime frame, for you, you know,
as a black woman, uh, being in acorporate atmosphere where you
are empowered to speak up andhave that voice, because I would
say that, I would say, for mostindividuals that would not have
been their experience, morethan likely.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yes, and let me say this this was not a US company.
So let me say this I work forEric and they are a Swedish
company and so they have verydifferent values and very
different culture and I bringthat culture to every
organization that I work with.
I'm searching for that justinclusive organization, that
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family oriented.
People say you can't have thatanymore, I've had it, and so I
know what it feels like and soso, yes, I do realize I was in a
very unique situation to beraised in corporate that's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So when was the pivot from?
Okay, you're in your early 20s,you've started off in this
career, people are telling youuse your voice, everything falls
.
Okay, you're in your earlytwenties, you've started off in
this career, people are tellingyou, use your voice, everything
falls apart when you're not here.
So then your value, you know,is exponential year over year.
When did you realize?
All right, there's acertification behind this,
because, like you said at thebeginning, that wasn't always a
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thing.
And then why teach people?
Where did that fire and passioncome from?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay, buckle up for this, buckle up.
So I was told to get the PMPearly, like very early on in the
late nineties, early twothousands.
But I went to the class and Iwas like what is this?
I don't get it.
And it was a preschool teacherteaching the class to executives
and tech people and so we werebuilding a sandbox and in the
(18:26):
jungle gym and I was like we dotechnology, cell phones and
switches, like lady, what areyou talking about?
And I was like it's a lot ofwork.
So I'm going to just go get anMBA because I know what this is
and I know what this is.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And so from a certification to a whole degree
this job.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
You went from a certification to a whole degree,
got it A whole degree, and sofast forward.
The degree did serve me well,but fast forward to the last
recession.
With my MBA and my officeexperience I am an SAP super
user.
I have all these accolades.
I could not get a job.
And this is back in the oldendays when they actually called
you or actually brought you into say, oh, we really want to
(19:06):
hire you.
If we had two positions, wewould, unfortunately, we have to
hire somebody that doesn't evenhave an undergrad, let alone an
MBA, but they have their PMPcertification.
Jessica Brandon, I was told thisover and over and over again
and I was like, after I got fromup under the covers crying
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because I missed thatopportunity to get the PMP years
ago, I was like this will never, ever, ever, ever happen to me
again.
And so fast forward.
I worked for the federalgovernment.
It took me two years to get myPMP through their program, but
you got a master's certificatein it.
I couldn't pass the exam.
My husband got me a tutor andit was just excruciating pain
(19:51):
and I did not want anybody to gothrough what I went through to
get it, and so I streamlined theprocess.
I picked out the good parts,eliminate the bad parts and put
my secret sauce on it, andthat's how it came to be that
easy.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Wow, it's really incredible that undergrad degree
, master's degree or, excuse me,MBA, which is obviously focused
on business, your years ofexperience it sounds like you
were working on high visibility,high impact projects.
I mean all of that combined andwhat they wanted was a PMP
certification.
I mean that's pretty mindblowing.
(20:29):
What is it about the PMP that'sso special?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So, it takes the business process from beginning
to end, and so all the way fromsales to invoicing, including
procurement, contracting.
So it has the harder skillsquality, risk management but
also the people skills, the HR,the managing a team, the team
building, communication and soyou have to have all those
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skills to manage a projecteffectively.
And so some people you hearpeople on the internet streets
I've been doing this, I'm anexpert, I don't need it, and I
some people you hear people inthe internet streets I've been
doing this, I'm an expert, Idon't need it.
And I just kind of chuckle.
I'm like, yeah, I thought thattoo, and it really does sharpen
your toolbox.
It's like you know that nicefancy toolbox we have in that
(21:20):
closet.
What do we actually use?
The wrench, the screwdriver,the power drill we use the same
little bolts, but every once ina while we break out that tool
that we don't even know whatit's used for.
But we know that those normaltools that we're using is not
getting it to put together thisfurniture.
The tool that came with it isjust not getting it, and that's
what the PMP certification does.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You're not going to use all the tools every day, all
day, but did this for yourself,right, you were getting passed
(22:02):
up for jobs, even though you hadyears of experience and tons of
expertise, right, you justdidn't have that certification.
How did you go from?
I'm going to do this for myselfto let me teach others Like
where did the others come in andwhy?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So I'm one of them people if I can do it better, I
need to go do it better.
So I first started volunteeringthrough PMI Atlanta and I was
doing their 12 week study groupand people were going passing
left and right and you know myhusband.
One day he was like um ma'am,I'm going to need you to do some
basic math.
(22:40):
At the time, the PMPcertification bootcamp may have
been a thousand dollars.
Well, I got 25 people in thatin those classes with with the
waiting list.
Brandon just laughed like oh,he know where the story is going
.
You should be getting a littlebit of money.
Yeah, my husband was like girl,if you don't get an EIN and an
(23:01):
LLC and start doing it on yourown?
And I have to be honest, Istill didn't.
Because I want to help people.
You know, women, we just wantto help people and make a long
story short.
I was a contractor at DeltaAirlines and one of my program
managers had the pin box underher arm, walking to a class, and
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I'm like you're studying thewrong book.
And I did a quick lunch andlearn for them and they're like
you know what?
We want you to teach it.
I'm like, oh, absolutely not.
I am helping Delta set up a newsubsidiary.
I'm teaching in the eveningthrough PMI Atlanta.
I do have a family.
When do I have the time?
Well, the program managers atDelta, they just kept asking,
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very casual, they would slip itin, and one day they called me
slipping and they were like whatare you doing?
I'm like, oh, nothing.
They're like, okay, fine, youcan teach our bootcamp, what?
So that's how I startedteaching and I taught my first
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corporate boot camp at DeltaAirlines in the evening.
So I literally worked there dayand night and I got the bug.
I literally got the bug.
I was like OK, this is it, Iwant to do this all the time,
and then fast forward to COVID.
That's when I got theopportunity in between contracts
.
And now people want to upskill,people have time, and so since
COVID I haven't been able to goback to work because of the
demand.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So that is my short and sweet story on how my
business started.
That's amazing.
I love stories like that,because clearly there was a need
, people saw your talent andthey needed to kind of reel you
in to actually convince you toget it done, so that there's
nothing better than that let'spivot into because I so I'm in
(24:45):
project and program management.
I do not have my PMP, it's onmy radar, I know.
I see you, girl, I see you.
We need to get into how youtook six to eight months of
studying, because that's been my, that's my.
You know I'm like who has time?
I work full time.
I've got my family, the kids,the podcast.
(25:06):
I mean I don't have time, butnow you're saying you can teach
me what I need to know for thisexam in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Absolutely Well.
It takes, I would say, lessthan 30 days.
So the bootcamp is two weeks,but the first thing we do is we
prioritize our professionaldevelopment.
It is the mindset.
So you're getting things donefor corporate, for everybody
else.
This is self-care, becauseyou're going to get a return on
investment on this.
So once you say, okay, I candedicate 30 days or less, that
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is the hardest part Then thefirst thing we do is we baseline
yourself.
Nobody is starting from scratch, nobody, even people fresh out
of college that have worked ayear or two.
They're not starting fromscratch.
And so once we baseline and weunderstand your strengths, that
you focus on your weaknesses inthe bootcamp and after the
bootcamp, and so everybody'sgoing to be different.
(26:00):
We're in a data driven society,so the data is the data is the
data.
So that is in a nutshell.
Because I'm a coach, I makesure that you can quickly
translate what is in a textbookto something you're doing every
day.
I don't care if it's planning awedding or a family reunion.
People are really getting.
You know this immediately, notafter they pass the women in my
(26:24):
bootcamp, they're using it thenext day.
I had somebody yesterday say,oh my God, we did a team charter
, we did our kickoff, we didthis.
Like it is only day three ofthis new bootcamp and she is
using everything we learnedevery single day.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's amazing and well, and what you said, too, I
think is really important tonote that just because it has
the word boot camp.
When I hear boot camp, I thinkeverybody's starting together,
starting from the same page.
But what you're saying is, youknow, whether you're a new grad,
early in career, or you knowsomebody who's an advanced level
in their career, like myself,we're going to take that
(27:02):
knowledge that you have andthat's going to be our starting
point, so we're not all starting, you know, on the same page,
one which I think is reallyamazing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Correct.
And then the community.
We learn from each other and weget to know each other, and I
have so many incredible womenand unfortunately, we downgrade
ourselves, water ourselves down.
So this one person inparticular I'm thinking about
she has a lean Six Sigma blackbelt.
I have the starter white andyellow belt.
She works in IT.
(27:32):
Her quality score was down,really low.
The whole bootcamp was likegirl, you know quality, you can
run circles around the wholebootcamp.
So a lot of times it is not tocontinuously study.
My recommendation is to gochange the sheets and take an
Epsom salt bath and get somegood sleep and eat a good meal.
(27:53):
And some women are looking atme like I'm crazy.
I'm like that is.
My recommendation is that youget some good quality sleep and
we quality study.
We don't study six, seven,eight hours a day.
We study in 40, 35 minuteincrements and so I just I'm
different.
I'm different and so I have anon-traditional approach to
everything, and that includesthe bootcamp as well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I always, I've always felt that women always downplay
their abilities, just ingeneral, it's, and I mean like,
obviously, like this, well, it's, society, society teaches women
, unfortunately, you know, totry to be smaller than they are,
take up less space.
But like men, on the other hand, like we all, I mean like the
(28:37):
saying, like you know, have theconfidence of a mediocre white
man.
You know it's, it's of amediocre white man, it's the
reality.
We all, everybody knows, like aChad or something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
No offense to the good Chads.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's the, that's what you need to you know the
spirit you need to channel and,like I said, I mean even with
Jess, as amazing as she is,there's times where she's like
you know, she thinks smallerthan when I'm like you know this
Like this is like you can.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You can do this in your sleep Like exactly, yeah,
exactly, I have in this.
In this current boot camp Ihave somebody that worked on.
She works on Navy ships and Ihad to have her say it three
times.
You know, and I'm like you needto repeat that.
You know and I'm like you needto repeat that I want you to
write that on the chalkboard,like you're saying it's so low.
Yes, I work on no girl.
(29:25):
No, I need you to shout it.
I have somebody that has workedon some confidential it's not
confidential anymore but but the, the, oh, but some high powered
war aircraft.
When I say, women in my bootcamps are heavy hitters working
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in healthcare, on how medicineis being administered throughout
the not the country, the world,and they're just downplaying
what they do.
And so that is the biggest drawto my boot camp you now have
the confidence to talk aboutyour accolades in those meetings
which you have done quickly inbullets, which that's how you
(30:11):
get your raises and yourpromotions, because a lot of
women sit back and wait.
No, no, no.
My PM bootcamp is going to haveyou say I plan managed, I
reduced this, I increase this,and you say it with confidence.
That's how you're going to getthe raises and the promotions.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, so many people don't realize that 50% of the
battle is just standing withyour chest out.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Stay with your chest, that's right Well.
I mean it sounds like, asidefrom the shortened timeline and
then the clear ROI, it soundslike your boot camp is an
amazing place to network as wellwith all of the people that you
have in there.
I mean, that sounds incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It is when I get emails.
I have so many emails wherepeople are getting $30,000
increases, $40,000, $50,000increases.
I have people that have gotten$60,000 increases.
It didn't surprise me.
But what did surprise me thepast year or two is the
community.
They have gotten referrals frompeople that are in other
(31:14):
communities and other boot campsthat I'm a part of, and so that
is what I'm just so proud of.
It's just the camaraderie witheverybody that is in my
organization.
It really, really warms myheart because we know it's who
you know.
It's who you know you can bequalified and have the
credentials.
But when an internal persondoes that referral or puts you
(31:35):
in front of the hiring manager,that's the leg up.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We all know that you can have the qualifications to
not get the job.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hint, hint, Tamara, let's talk about.
You just mentioned those$30,000, $40,000, $50,000,
$60,000 increases.
Are most people coming to youbecause they're already in that
program and project managementspace and they want their
paycheck to reflect it bygetting the certification?
(32:03):
Or are they people who arepivoting in their career and are
looking to get the PMP becausethey are looking for a new role?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I would say both.
I would say it's a good mix of50-50.
At first it started off withjust project managers and
program managers, but now wehave teachers, we have
pharmacists, we have doctors, wehave event planners every
industry.
They're doing a pivot.
That was the word last year onLinkedIn.
(32:31):
I was like if one more personsays that word I'm going to
cringe, but it really is.
And so it helps them realize.
As an educator, as a teacher,I've done curriculum.
I've done projects Every year.
The new school system is aproject.
Dealing with the PTA, that is aproject.
Dealing with the new clearbackpacks throughout the school
(32:53):
district, that is a project andthey get to see they've been
doing projects forever.
So I would say it's a good mixand I love it because they can
see where they can go andeverybody's getting raises and
increases regardless.
So it is a really, really goodbalance.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I love that.
Okay, we're going to ask youthe tough question Are you ready
?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh, I don't know.
Go ahead, though.
Let's hit it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, we all want that 30 to 60 plus thousand
dollar increase and we want itin the shortest amount of time
possible, right?
So we're reducing that six toeight month window to that 30
days or less.
What is the bootcamp going tocost me?
Because I need to sign up.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It is a small investment.
Let me say this it is aninvestment, it is not a cost.
And so you get the PMPapplication comes in at where I
help you with the PMPapplication, the two week
bootcamp, all the questions,materials.
You have the community.
We actually go through thequestion, the live drills.
Last night I started to losethe group.
(33:53):
It's wintertime in most of theareas and so we stopped the
curriculum and went through thequestions.
We do that.
We do that on the weekend Afterthe boot camp.
You still have me one-on-one.
You have your community.
So the small investment is only4,500.
So you're talking 4,500 to get20, $30,000 increases.
That's, that's a steal, that'sa steal.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Absolutely Well, especially because your pass
rate is so high and you'retaking it down from you know
half a year or more to you couldbe fighting for that raise in
30 days, I mean that's.
I haven't heard of anybody elsedoing anything like it.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Absolutely, and I will tell you.
Recently, you know, companiesare still laying off in this
environment.
I have one client.
She has a new job.
Her boss has gotten laid offand her boss's boss have gotten
laid off.
In that time she got a 26%bonus and she's up for a major
promotion.
(34:52):
That has happened over and overin my community because of the
confidence that these ladies getand, like I said, now they're
able to quickly equate what theyhave, you know, contributed to
the company.
And quick bullets, Because youknow that's what leadership
talks.
They don't want to.
It was a bright, sunny day andthe birds were chirping.
Get to it.
(35:12):
What did you do?
I reduced this, I increasedthis and, you know, say it with
a little.
So absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
And that's, I mean, that's the point you just
pointed out there.
That's one of the things thatwe also tell people when they're
just you know, every daythrough their you know, their
job is making sure that you'rekeeping track of your
accomplishments, and quickbullet points like that.
So it's easy, when you come upfor when you want to raise or
whatever that may be, that youcan actually articulate what it
is, the value that you brought.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely.
And let me say this in mybootcamp I have words that are
prohibited.
Even when I have my consults, Idon't let women say I only, I
just like, oh, I cringe.
I just worked on this month $10million project and now all the
hospitals in the Atlanta areagirl, what did you do?
I'm like I'm gonna need you tosay that again, like literally
(36:02):
we're on a consultation call andI will coach women to stop
saying that I'm like I am hiring, my network is hiring.
You never know who's in theroom and you have shrunk all the
way down and then use the brandnames.
If you've used SAP, epic,workday, all this software and
you will see it nowhere on mostpeople's resume and LinkedIn,
(36:25):
you know you want to be thehidden secret, like no, and it's
not.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
We need to get away from the idea that it's bragging
.
It's not bragging, it's simplystating what you have done with
confidence.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, brandy, you must have been in some of my
consults.
Yesterday I said forget thishumble brag.
Like who said the humble brag?
That was like the word of lastyear.
No brag, I need you to brag andno offense.
I love people with kids becauseI am able to use their kids
against them in a good way.
(36:57):
Because kindergarten isexpensive, daycare is expensive,
all the extracurricularactivities, and so when I tell
women you can get a $20,000raise, that's some people's
kindergarten, that's my godson'sthird grade, and so when I can
equate it to their why it justhelps them get to the finish
line.
Because a lot of women theyjust cannot do it for themselves
(37:19):
now but they can do it fortheir kids in their household.
So that is another way, that'smy some secret sauce.
That's how I get a lot of womento the finish line.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Sauce sold separately .
We can give you the recipe, butthat sauce is separate.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Also, when you're quote, unquote, bragging or
whatever, like if it's true andyou've done it, you know
successfully.
That's not a negative thing,it's not.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You have to stand in that power and I think you know
I've I've helped severalgirlfriends of mine negotiate
when they're up for either apromotion or a raise or they're,
you know, interviewing with anew company and I'm like, all
right, if they make this offer,what are you going to say?
And it's always too low and I'mlike you better add another 10%
, you better add another 20%.
(38:01):
And I will tell you the jobthat I have.
Now.
One offer was made and I camein at $30,000 higher with a
large amount of stock as well.
That was not even on the tableand that makes a difference.
You know we have pulled fromthat stock.
We pulled from that stock toput our money down for the lot
(38:23):
of the house that we are nowliving in.
You know we put.
Those are things that matter.
I mean, whether you start with60, 70, 80 thousand dollars of
stock, 150 thousand dollars ofstock, you don't know if you
don't ask.
And I even told my hiringmanager she was like well, I've
gone as far as I can, but thatdoesn't mean you can't ask for
more.
Thankfully, I've worked for alot of amazing women who you
(38:46):
know they're like ask forwhatever you want and let's see
what we can.
What can happen.
You will never get if you don'task.
Closed mouths do not get fed.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
At all and part of the original story when you
asked you know, how did I comeabout you know having this, this
confidence?
How did I come about you knowhaving this, this confidence?
One of the stories I tell a lotof people.
Early in my career, thatmediocre guy had the nerve to
ask for a $30,000 raise.
I got called into the office.
My manager, my director and myVP was in there.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I'm like, why am?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I in here, like am I going to get fired?
I was early 20s and they werelike he asked for a $30,000
raise.
And I'm like what does thathave to do with me?
That's what I'm thinking,because, of course, I'm near
tears.
I'm 20, thinking I'm going tolose my job.
They were like you should haveasked.
I'm like huh.
They were like he had theaudacity to ask you should have
(39:41):
asked.
And you've done this, this,this.
And they actually deemed myperformance review because I did
not speak up.
And guess what?
They gave me the money he askedfor.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wow, sounds to me like we need to implement the
Swedish way.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's a lot here.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
But I mean also think about the support that you had
and how much you learned in thattime, because you could have
been in a completely differentsituation where you didn't learn
how to speak up, you didn'tlearn to ask for what you
deserve, you didn't stand inyour truth, you didn't say it
with your chest.
You had a team and mentorsbehind you that really were
helping you become who you aretoday.
I mean that's incredible.
Most people don't get that.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And learning it so early in your career too.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Right, because those 10, 20, $30,000 raises over time
, those are substantial.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Substantial.
And then the next time I gotcalled into office I was taking
a one week vacation.
And I got called into officeand three of the you know, the
big wigs are in there.
I'm like here we go again.
They were like what are yougoing to do with that little one
week of vacation?
Big wigs are in there, I'm likehere we go again.
They were like what are yougoing to do with that little one
week of vacation?
He's taking a month, he'staking a month, he's taking a
month.
I told them what I was doingfor that week.
They were like stop, stop, stop.
They were like we are exhausted.
(40:51):
And they were like you're goingto come back exhausted, you
have to take at least two weeks.
And I was like I walked out,just brain, just.
But that's where my travel come, because now I take at least
two, two week vacations a yearwhen I'm in corporate.
It non-negotiable.
So when you say negotiatingstock, I'm negotiating stock.
(41:12):
But, more important, I'm comingfor the vacation.
I'm European, I said in theinterview and some people laugh
I'm like I'm European.
And they, some people laugh andsome people like what is she
talking about?
And they're oh, she's comingfor the vacation, like yeah, I
am.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Listen, France doesn't work.
For the whole month of AugustI've worked at international
corporations.
You over here trying to give usa piddly four weeks.
They're over here taking months, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Exactly, and so, like I said, I am so fortunate to
have, you know, been raised incorporate in a non-US company
where that culture is justinstilled in me.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's amazing, tamara.
We could talk to you about allof this, I mean, for hours and
hours, but we want people to act.
We want people to take thisinformation to find you to look
up your bootcamp.
Tell us one thing that you wantto leave our audience with, and
then also let them know wherethey can find you to sign up for
your bootcamp.
Tell us one thing that you wantto leave our audience with, and
then also let them know wherethey can find you to sign up for
your bootcamp.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I want everybody that's listening to this to
understand, hear me and hear meloud and clear.
Everybody is a project manager,everybody.
You do not need the title, youdo not need the degree, you
don't need somebody telling youyou are or are not.
Everybody has projectmanagement in them.
Find me on Iwantmypnpcom.
(42:29):
I have a free quiz where youcan take a quiz to see how much
of a project manager you are.
I have a fundamentals course.
I have my schedule where youcan get a one-on-one with me for
free.
People think somebody else isgoing to show up.
It's actually me when I havethese consults and we can just
look at what projects,initiative, other duty as
(42:51):
assigned it's really a projectand, like I said, all this can
be found on Iwantmypnpcom.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I'm glad you got that website.
That's perfect.
Iwantmypnpcom we are going tolink all of the places to find
you.
I know you're also a LinkedIntop voice, so we'll add in your
LinkedIn so people can connect,because I'm big on LinkedIn too
and your network is how you getwork, so we're going to add that
.
It looked like you were goingto say something.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, tamara, this has been an awesome conversation
.
We are all about women'sempowerment, leveling up,
getting the coins.
This is exactly what we needed.
So thank you for being with usand for sharing your wisdom and
your laughs and your energy.
It's been fantastic and I can'twait to hear all the success
stories that come out of ouraudience reaching out to you.
(43:39):
So thank you for being with ustoday.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited.
Before this call it's drearyhere, my throat was itchy, I had
all kind of, but when I say I'mon 10 now, this really, really
excites me.
Talking about projectmanagement and your energy, I'm
just super excited.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Thank you so much.
That means a lot, Don't forget.
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In today's episode we talk about the Project
Management Professional PMPcertification and how you can
obtain it in 30 days or lessthrough Tamara McLemore's Boot
Camp and Training Program.
The PMP is a professionalcertification you can get to
help you increase your salary by$30,000 and up and is valuable
to any organization.
If you are looking to advanceyour career, then this episode
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is for you.
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Hey babe, what are we talkingabout today?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
Today, we are talking about how people, specifically
women in the mid-level of theircareer, can really level up
through a certification that Ithink is becoming more popular.
I spend a lot of time onLinkedIn and I'm seeing a lot of
people obtain this PMPcertification, and that's what
(00:57):
we're going to be talking abouttoday with Tamara McLemore, who
is a PMP professional speakerall the things and we're going
to dig into why thiscertification is so special and
how it can really help advancewomen's careers into, you know,
that six-figure realm that we'reall striving for, put some
(01:17):
credibility behind all of thehard work that we're doing, and
so we're going to dig into whythis PMP is so important and,
more importantly, throughTamara's program, how you can
quickly achieve thecertification.
So, tamara, we're reallyexcited to have this
conversation with you today, sothank you for being with us.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited to share withyour audience all the gems that
they need to level up theircareer.
I'm super excited.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Oh my gosh.
I'm excited, too, because we'reall about getting women paid,
making sure that people areliving in a career that they
love right, because, just likemoney is a tool.
Having a career that you arepassionate about, that you don't
mind going to work for everysingle day, but also making sure
that you're being properlycompensated, is really important
(02:05):
.
So giving people these kinds oftools and having this
conversation today is going tobe really important.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
And also the thing is , too, is that, you know, for
the fellows that are listeningout there, don't tune out just
because we kind of prefaced itwith, you know, a focus on women
, because the same informationis applicable in your situation.
But, let's be honest, mostthings are tailored towards us,
so there's no need to even, youknow, speak specifically on that
.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Let's focus on the women for a little bit, that's
right.
Thanks, babe, love that Allright.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Tamara, no, go ahead.
You must have talked to myhusband because when my
organization started it was justfor women during COVID and he
was like, wait a minute, womenhave so many organizations and
programs and the whole Me Toomovement.
He felt like it was reversediscrimination.
And so I do let a few good menin my program.
(02:52):
So, absolutely, I have somereally great men in my program
and they actually provide adifferent dynamic to the group.
So I appreciate you saying that, brandon, men are welcome,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Oh, that's perfect.
We are all inclusive here.
But sometimes it does makesense to focus on the women
because, like Brandon said, alot, especially in the corporate
world right, a lot revolvesaround men and then the women
often get left behind, and weknow that from all the surveys
and research that's done aboutwomen rising through the ranks
(03:25):
and all of that.
So we just want to make surethat women are getting theirs.
You know, but it's a great callout.
All right, let's get into thisbio, because we have a lot of
things to talk about today.
Tamara McLemore is the founderof Tamara McLemore Enterprises.
She is an executive consultant,certified project management
professional instructor andsought-after, award-winning
speaker.
Her expertise lies in coaching.
(04:00):
Mid-career professional womenempowering has successfully
shortened the traditionalpreparation timeline, enabling
candidates to pass their PMPwithin 30 days, a process that
typically takes six to eightmonths.
That's incredible, because I'velooked into my PMP and who has
six to eight months?
So we're going to talk aboutthat.
The accelerated timeline notonly aims to achieve
(04:22):
certification, but also positionwomen in the careers they truly
deserve.
With a wealth of experiencespanning over 25 years in
various industries, includingtechnology, federal government
and aviation, tamara's expertisehas been recognized through her
appearances as a guest on theWomen of Project Management and
the Harvard Business ReviewWomen at Work podcast, and has
(04:43):
been a keynote speaker atprestigious events such as the
Women of Project ManagementConference, ae Ignite Conference
and the Wonder Women TechSummit.
She is also a LinkedIn topvoice in project management and
has shared her knowledge byteaching project management at
universities and organizationsworldwide, including appearances
in India and Dubai.
(05:04):
Outside of her professionalendeavors, tamara enjoys
traveling extensively and livesby the motto to be a service to
all mankind.
Thank you, tamara, for beinghere.
That is quite the bio, ma'am.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I feel like I need to up my game.
My bio is like one fourth ofthat.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
We all have to strive for something.
I'm like, who did all that?
Who has the time for all that?
But it's necessary because, youknow, we as women have to do so
much more to get the same orless.
So, yes, unfortunately, thatdoesn't include my bag.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Whenever I read these bios, that's exactly the
thought that I have of like whohas the time?
When do you sleep?
How do you get it all done?
But I mean spanning over that25 year career and all all done.
But I mean spanning over that25 year career and all the
different industries.
I mean you have been busy, sokudos to you.
Thank you, tamara.
We like to start all of ourguest conversations with your
(05:57):
first money memory, becauseobviously we are a financial
literacy podcast.
We're going to talk into how wecan level up our coins with
that PMP, but first, we want toknow a little bit more about you
and your first money memory.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
So I would have to say it was around the time that
we're in.
Right now, as we're recordingthis, it's almost the holiday
season, and so growing up Iremember my mother.
I guess she was trying to prepme for what I was and was not
going to get for Christmas.
And I tell this story becauseI'm teaching a bootcamp now and
I use the analogy in thatbootcamp.
When we gather the requirements, your customer wants everything
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in the kitchen sink.
They have champagne, taste andbeer, money, and so that's the
same thing with our Christmaslist.
We have all this stuff.
And recently, when the Barbiemovie came out, my mom's like,
refresh my memory, did you everget the Barbie house?
I'm like, yes, I didn't get themain house, I did get the
summer home.
So maybe that's why I like totravel all the time.
I got the summer home.
(06:58):
That was the compromise,probably with the cost, and so
there's some things my parentsmade me understand during that
time.
We have some wants and we havesome needs.
I'm going to get underwear,pajamas.
I'm going to get savings bondswhich I hated, that brown
envelope, but as an adult.
I liked it, you know, and sothey just.
(07:19):
I guess she started prepping meat a very early age and I was
gathering requirements and youknow, and softening the blow of
what I was going to get forChristmas.
So that is my early memory ofmoney to understand wants and
needs in the household and whatI was going to get for Christmas
.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
I love that we talk about that a lot.
And even Brynn, he has to checkme sometimes and he'll be like,
is that a want or a need?
And I'm like, boy, if you don'tleave me alone right now
because, but it is so important.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
And now we're she likes to replace things that are
perfectly fine with somethingelse.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
We don't have time for that conversation today,
cameron, do we necessarily?
Speaker 2 (07:53):
need to replace it, or do you just want to replace
it?
Speaker 3 (07:56):
So when you're talking about requirements as
far as project management, I'vebeen told that I'm a great
litigator, Like I can.
I have all the pros and thecons and I am going to convince
you that is actually a necessity, a need.
So I can go on and on with that, because I learned at a very
young age.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
I might invite you into our home during the next
want versus needs conversationand you can help me with that
list, because, yeah, but it's avery valuable lesson,
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no-transcript, like we need thetrucks, we need the Ninja
Turtles or whatever.
And then my daughter, who's alittle bit older.
She said, well, you have tohave underwear, you have to have
clothes that fit, you know.
And so having those discussionsearly on, they don't need to be
intimidating, but they reallyto your point, they stick with
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you, you know, throughout yourlife.
So it's so vital.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I would also say it as a kid, when I learned that
early on from my mom I didn'task for crazy things.
Later on, like I think, if youwere to talk to my mom and you
know like some kids ask forcrazy things later on, like I
think, if you were to talk to mymom and you know like some kids
ask for, like when they're liketeenagers and stuff like that,
ask for like asinine things, andlike I never did that because I
was like you knew, I knew Iknew where my, I knew where my
(09:34):
limit was in regards to you know, asking for certain things.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, absolutely.
And the way my logistic brainworks is it's yes, I'm in
project management, my mom, I'min project management.
I grew up in St Louis but mymom is from Chicago, and so I
had to.
My logistic brain was like howis Santa going to last minute
get XYZ from St Louis to Chicagoif we have to go the last
(09:57):
minute?
And so that was my little kidlogistic brain as well, like I
got to make it easy for Santa,because if I don't, then I risk
not getting anything.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Oh my gosh, might use that one.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I love that, I know Santa can't bring all that from
here to there.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
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Let's get into why you're here,because you know you're a
little girl.
We just talked about Christmas.
You did not grow up correct meif I'm wrong, but I'm going to
guess you did not grow up sayingI'm going to be a project
management professional.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
How did we get here?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Right, right.
How did we get here, Tamara?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
It is a funny story.
So growing up, I'm just goingto let you.
If I was to ask you what mymajor was in undergrad and what
I was really good in high school, you would never guess.
So I'll go ahead and tell you.
I wanted to be a journalist.
I was cover story editor of theschool newspaper, I was editor
of the yearbook I can go on andon.
I was in the summer programs atMizzou University of Missouri,
columbia, which is one of thebest journalism schools out
there.
I wanted to be Hannah Storm, Iwanted to be Barbara Walters and
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then fast forward, oprah.
That's what I wanted to be.
And I went to undergrad atXavier University and they're
known for puttingAfrican-Americans and minorities
into med school.
And I would take my friends tostudy for the MCAT, to get in
med school.
And the guy was like what areyou going to do?
Like literally, you're droppingeverybody off to study for the
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MCAT, to get in med school.
What are you going to do?
And I'm like dang, I'm feelingthe same way.
What am I going to do?
Because I just thought yourundergrad was it.
But all my friends are going tomed school, going to get their
MBA.
So they had me take anassessment and it said I was
good at, I was an analyticperson and I should go to law
school.
I'm like, oh.
(12:32):
So.
Then I started studying for theLSAT because the test told me
so, but I could not go throughwith it.
I just like I do not want to bea lawyer.
Fast forward.
My aunt worked for MCI WorldComand she was like you need to
get in technology.
That is an industry that is upand coming.
This is before Y2K, so I havedated myself.
She was like this is the nextthing, and at that time you
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didn't push back.
When people told you what to do, you did it, and so it's as
simple as that.
That's how I got in technology,because I was told to.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
There you go.
Well, it's so interestingbecause you know you're supposed
to have your whole life figuredout by the time you're 21, 22
years old, right?
And then I vividly remember Ihad, like, I think, a panic
attack of like what am I goingto do with my life?
Like graduation was rightaround the corner, and I think
we put so much pressure on youngpeople to have it all figured
out.
And you know, I'm knocking on40.
And I don't know if I have itfigured out yet.
(13:27):
I don't know what I want to bewhen I grow up, you know.
So it's too much pressure, butit's interesting how you made
those pivots, because a testtold you or somebody told you
you know to do this or to dothat.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
I know exactly how you feel because I actually did
a year of law school and yeah.
So like I was the kid in highschool that you know I want to
be an attorney after I undergrad, went straight to law school,
did a year and then likerealized that that is not the
life for me and I had zero ideawhat to do after that, like I
had no backup plan.
I'd like at that time, most ofthe time when you say you want
to be an attorney, you're decent, yeah, I was.
(14:00):
You know, I did well in schoolno one was like, oh, maybe you
should have a backup plan.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Not at all Right, never thought about it.
Too much pressure.
So, you wound up in tech.
And then what was your journeythere?
Because something led you tounderstanding the value of this
PMP certification.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Well, I had amazing mentors and at that time tech
was just for techie people andit was all male dominated and
most of them were out of themilitary, very few women of any
nationality.
But in that situation I gotpromotions every six months,
definitely every year, and thisis before.
Imposter syndrome was a thingand I'm like why am I getting
(14:43):
all these promotions, thesebonuses, why am I getting on
these high profile projects?
What is going on?
And executives pulled me asideand they were.
They were frank.
They were like Tamara, whenyou're not here, shit don't move
.
You know.
They were like and they werejust like if you're sick or
you're on vacation, I'm like, Idon't understand.
I have everything outlined forthem.
My auto office says who tocontact, what to do.
(15:05):
It is.
I don't know how I can make itany easier.
And they were just like.
They're just not capable.
And here goes this is where thecommunication skills come in.
I can speak the tech languagebecause I was able to learn it,
being with the engineers withthe switches and the cell sites
when the equipment delivered inthe field the capacity engineers
(15:25):
, the dimensioning engineers,and then I'm also with the end
users and the less technicalpeople.
So I was the one to bridge thatcommunication gap, making sure
everybody had all the materialthey needed the warehouse
workers and it was just my jamand I thought can't everybody
talk to people?
They're like no, no, no.
Can everybody stand up in frontof the C-suite and report, you
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know, and break hard news andbad news to people.
That is going to sting, but yougot to deliver it so we can get
it out the way and resolve it.
They're like heck, no, mostpeople run and hide and act like
that.
It's not happening.
And so very, very early on inmy early twenties, I was told I
had this gift over and over andover.
As a matter of fact, in myprofessional development and my
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appraisals I would get deemed asa female for not speaking up
more and they would say Tamara,you, you, you know all this
stuff and the men are looking toyou and you're quiet.
You need to speak up in themeetings.
Everybody's looking for you,looking to you, because they
know you have the answers andyou're just quiet.
And so they just groomed me andtaught me how to have my voice
(16:39):
and I haven't shut up since.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
I would say that sounds like it's the rarest
scenario, especially during thattime frame, for you, you know,
as a black woman, uh, being in acorporate atmosphere where you
are empowered to speak up andhave that voice, because I would
say that, I would say, for mostindividuals that would not have
been their experience, morethan likely.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yes, and let me say this this was not a US company.
So let me say this I work forEric and they are a Swedish
company and so they have verydifferent values and very
different culture and I bringthat culture to every
organization that I work with.
I'm searching for that justinclusive organization, that
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family oriented.
People say you can't have thatanymore, I've had it, and so I
know what it feels like and soso, yes, I do realize I was in a
very unique situation to beraised in corporate that's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
So when was the pivot from?
Okay, you're in your early 20s,you've started off in this
career, people are telling youuse your voice, everything falls
.
Okay, you're in your earlytwenties, you've started off in
this career, people are tellingyou, use your voice, everything
falls apart when you're not here.
So then your value, you know,is exponential year over year.
When did you realize?
All right, there's acertification behind this,
because, like you said at thebeginning, that wasn't always a
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thing.
And then why teach people?
Where did that fire and passioncome from?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Okay, buckle up for this, buckle up.
So I was told to get the PMPearly, like very early on in the
late nineties, early twothousands.
But I went to the class and Iwas like what is this?
I don't get it.
And it was a preschool teacherteaching the class to executives
and tech people and so we werebuilding a sandbox and in the
(18:26):
jungle gym and I was like we dotechnology, cell phones and
switches, like lady, what areyou talking about?
And I was like it's a lot ofwork.
So I'm going to just go get anMBA because I know what this is
and I know what this is.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
And so from a certification to a whole degree
this job.
Speaker 3 (18:45):
You went from a certification to a whole degree,
got it A whole degree, and sofast forward.
The degree did serve me well,but fast forward to the last
recession.
With my MBA and my officeexperience I am an SAP super
user.
I have all these accolades.
I could not get a job.
And this is back in the oldendays when they actually called
you or actually brought you into say, oh, we really want to
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hire you.
If we had two positions, wewould, unfortunately, we have to
hire somebody that doesn't evenhave an undergrad, let alone an
MBA, but they have their PMPcertification.
Jessica Brandon, I was told thisover and over and over again
and I was like, after I got fromup under the covers crying
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because I missed thatopportunity to get the PMP years
ago, I was like this will never, ever, ever, ever happen to me
again.
And so fast forward.
I worked for the federalgovernment.
It took me two years to get myPMP through their program, but
you got a master's certificatein it.
I couldn't pass the exam.
My husband got me a tutor andit was just excruciating pain
(19:51):
and I did not want anybody to gothrough what I went through to
get it, and so I streamlined theprocess.
I picked out the good parts,eliminate the bad parts and put
my secret sauce on it, andthat's how it came to be that
easy.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Wow, it's really incredible that undergrad degree
, master's degree or, excuse me,MBA, which is obviously focused
on business, your years ofexperience it sounds like you
were working on high visibility,high impact projects.
I mean all of that combined andwhat they wanted was a PMP
certification.
I mean that's pretty mindblowing.
(20:29):
What is it about the PMP that'sso special?
Speaker 3 (20:33):
So, it takes the business process from beginning
to end, and so all the way fromsales to invoicing, including
procurement, contracting.
So it has the harder skillsquality, risk management but
also the people skills, the HR,the managing a team, the team
building, communication and soyou have to have all those
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skills to manage a projecteffectively.
And so some people you hearpeople on the internet streets
I've been doing this, I'm anexpert, I don't need it, and I
some people you hear people inthe internet streets I've been
doing this, I'm an expert, Idon't need it.
And I just kind of chuckle.
I'm like, yeah, I thought thattoo, and it really does sharpen
your toolbox.
It's like you know that nicefancy toolbox we have in that
(21:20):
closet.
What do we actually use?
The wrench, the screwdriver,the power drill we use the same
little bolts, but every once ina while we break out that tool
that we don't even know whatit's used for.
But we know that those normaltools that we're using is not
getting it to put together thisfurniture.
The tool that came with it isjust not getting it, and that's
what the PMP certification does.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
You're not going to use all the tools every day, all
day, but did this for yourself,right, you were getting passed
(22:02):
up for jobs, even though you hadyears of experience and tons of
expertise, right, you justdidn't have that certification.
How did you go from?
I'm going to do this for myselfto let me teach others Like
where did the others come in andwhy?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
So I'm one of them people if I can do it better, I
need to go do it better.
So I first started volunteeringthrough PMI Atlanta and I was
doing their 12 week study groupand people were going passing
left and right and you know myhusband.
One day he was like um ma'am,I'm going to need you to do some
basic math.
(22:40):
At the time, the PMPcertification bootcamp may have
been a thousand dollars.
Well, I got 25 people in thatin those classes with with the
waiting list.
Brandon just laughed like oh,he know where the story is going
.
You should be getting a littlebit of money.
Yeah, my husband was like girl,if you don't get an EIN and an
(23:01):
LLC and start doing it on yourown?
And I have to be honest, Istill didn't.
Because I want to help people.
You know, women, we just wantto help people and make a long
story short.
I was a contractor at DeltaAirlines and one of my program
managers had the pin box underher arm, walking to a class, and
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I'm like you're studying thewrong book.
And I did a quick lunch andlearn for them and they're like
you know what?
We want you to teach it.
I'm like, oh, absolutely not.
I am helping Delta set up a newsubsidiary.
I'm teaching in the eveningthrough PMI Atlanta.
I do have a family.
When do I have the time?
Well, the program managers atDelta, they just kept asking,
(23:43):
very casual, they would slip itin, and one day they called me
slipping and they were like whatare you doing?
I'm like, oh, nothing.
They're like, okay, fine, youcan teach our bootcamp, what?
So that's how I startedteaching and I taught my first
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corporate boot camp at DeltaAirlines in the evening.
So I literally worked there dayand night and I got the bug.
I literally got the bug.
I was like OK, this is it, Iwant to do this all the time,
and then fast forward to COVID.
That's when I got theopportunity in between contracts
.
And now people want to upskill,people have time, and so since
COVID I haven't been able to goback to work because of the
demand.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
So that is my short and sweet story on how my
business started.
That's amazing.
I love stories like that,because clearly there was a need
, people saw your talent andthey needed to kind of reel you
in to actually convince you toget it done, so that there's
nothing better than that let'spivot into because I so I'm in
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project and program management.
I do not have my PMP, it's onmy radar, I know.
I see you, girl, I see you.
We need to get into how youtook six to eight months of
studying, because that's been my, that's my.
You know I'm like who has time?
I work full time.
I've got my family, the kids,the podcast.
(25:06):
I mean I don't have time, butnow you're saying you can teach
me what I need to know for thisexam in two weeks.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Absolutely Well.
It takes, I would say, lessthan 30 days.
So the bootcamp is two weeks,but the first thing we do is we
prioritize our professionaldevelopment.
It is the mindset.
So you're getting things donefor corporate, for everybody
else.
This is self-care, becauseyou're going to get a return on
investment on this.
So once you say, okay, I candedicate 30 days or less, that
(25:37):
is the hardest part Then thefirst thing we do is we baseline
yourself.
Nobody is starting from scratch, nobody, even people fresh out
of college that have worked ayear or two.
They're not starting fromscratch.
And so once we baseline and weunderstand your strengths, that
you focus on your weaknesses inthe bootcamp and after the
bootcamp, and so everybody'sgoing to be different.
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We're in a data driven society,so the data is the data is the
data.
So that is in a nutshell.
Because I'm a coach, I makesure that you can quickly
translate what is in a textbookto something you're doing every
day.
I don't care if it's planning awedding or a family reunion.
People are really getting.
You know this immediately, notafter they pass the women in my
(26:24):
bootcamp, they're using it thenext day.
I had somebody yesterday say,oh my God, we did a team charter
, we did our kickoff, we didthis.
Like it is only day three ofthis new bootcamp and she is
using everything we learnedevery single day.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's amazing and well, and what you said, too, I
think is really important tonote that just because it has
the word boot camp.
When I hear boot camp, I thinkeverybody's starting together,
starting from the same page.
But what you're saying is, youknow, whether you're a new grad,
early in career, or you knowsomebody who's an advanced level
in their career, like myself,we're going to take that
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knowledge that you have andthat's going to be our starting
point, so we're not all starting, you know, on the same page,
one which I think is reallyamazing.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Correct.
And then the community.
We learn from each other and weget to know each other, and I
have so many incredible womenand unfortunately, we downgrade
ourselves, water ourselves down.
So this one person inparticular I'm thinking about
she has a lean Six Sigma blackbelt.
I have the starter white andyellow belt.
She works in IT.
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Her quality score was down,really low.
The whole bootcamp was likegirl, you know quality, you can
run circles around the wholebootcamp.
So a lot of times it is not tocontinuously study.
My recommendation is to gochange the sheets and take an
Epsom salt bath and get somegood sleep and eat a good meal.
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And some women are looking atme like I'm crazy.
I'm like that is.
My recommendation is that youget some good quality sleep and
we quality study.
We don't study six, seven,eight hours a day.
We study in 40, 35 minuteincrements and so I just I'm
different.
I'm different and so I have anon-traditional approach to
everything, and that includesthe bootcamp as well.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
I always, I've always felt that women always downplay
their abilities, just ingeneral, it's, and I mean like,
obviously, like this, well, it's, society, society teaches women
, unfortunately, you know, totry to be smaller than they are,
take up less space.
But like men, on the other hand, like we all, I mean like the
(28:37):
saying, like you know, have theconfidence of a mediocre white
man.
You know it's, it's of amediocre white man, it's the
reality.
We all, everybody knows, like aChad or something like that.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
No offense to the good Chads.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
That's the, that's what you need to you know the
spirit you need to channel and,like I said, I mean even with
Jess, as amazing as she is,there's times where she's like
you know, she thinks smallerthan when I'm like you know this
Like this is like you can.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
You can do this in your sleep Like exactly, yeah,
exactly, I have in this.
In this current boot camp Ihave somebody that worked on.
She works on Navy ships and Ihad to have her say it three
times.
You know, and I'm like you needto repeat that.
You know and I'm like you needto repeat that I want you to
write that on the chalkboard,like you're saying it's so low.
Yes, I work on no girl.
(29:25):
No, I need you to shout it.
I have somebody that has workedon some confidential it's not
confidential anymore but but the, the, oh, but some high powered
war aircraft.
When I say, women in my bootcamps are heavy hitters working
(29:48):
in healthcare, on how medicineis being administered throughout
the not the country, the world,and they're just downplaying
what they do.
And so that is the biggest drawto my boot camp you now have
the confidence to talk aboutyour accolades in those meetings
which you have done quickly inbullets, which that's how you
(30:11):
get your raises and yourpromotions, because a lot of
women sit back and wait.
No, no, no.
My PM bootcamp is going to haveyou say I plan managed, I
reduced this, I increase this,and you say it with confidence.
That's how you're going to getthe raises and the promotions.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
Yeah, so many people don't realize that 50% of the
battle is just standing withyour chest out.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Stay with your chest, that's right Well.
I mean it sounds like, asidefrom the shortened timeline and
then the clear ROI, it soundslike your boot camp is an
amazing place to network as wellwith all of the people that you
have in there.
I mean, that sounds incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
It is when I get emails.
I have so many emails wherepeople are getting $30,000
increases, $40,000, $50,000increases.
I have people that have gotten$60,000 increases.
It didn't surprise me.
But what did surprise me thepast year or two is the
community.
They have gotten referrals frompeople that are in other
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communities and other boot campsthat I'm a part of, and so that
is what I'm just so proud of.
It's just the camaraderie witheverybody that is in my
organization.
It really, really warms myheart because we know it's who
you know.
It's who you know you can bequalified and have the
credentials.
But when an internal persondoes that referral or puts you
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in front of the hiring manager,that's the leg up.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
We all know that you can have the qualifications to
not get the job.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
Hint, hint, Tamara, let's talk about.
You just mentioned those$30,000, $40,000, $50,000,
$60,000 increases.
Are most people coming to youbecause they're already in that
program and project managementspace and they want their
paycheck to reflect it bygetting the certification?
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Or are they people who arepivoting in their career and are
looking to get the PMP becausethey are looking for a new role?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
I would say both.
I would say it's a good mix of50-50.
At first it started off withjust project managers and
program managers, but now wehave teachers, we have
pharmacists, we have doctors, wehave event planners every
industry.
They're doing a pivot.
That was the word last year onLinkedIn.
(32:31):
I was like if one more personsays that word I'm going to
cringe, but it really is.
And so it helps them realize.
As an educator, as a teacher,I've done curriculum.
I've done projects Every year.
The new school system is aproject.
Dealing with the PTA, that is aproject.
Dealing with the new clearbackpacks throughout the school
(32:53):
district, that is a project andthey get to see they've been
doing projects forever.
So I would say it's a good mixand I love it because they can
see where they can go andeverybody's getting raises and
increases regardless.
So it is a really, really goodbalance.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I love that.
Okay, we're going to ask youthe tough question Are you ready
?
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Oh, I don't know.
Go ahead, though.
Let's hit it.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Well, we all want that 30 to 60 plus thousand
dollar increase and we want itin the shortest amount of time
possible, right?
So we're reducing that six toeight month window to that 30
days or less.
What is the bootcamp going tocost me?
Because I need to sign up.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
It is a small investment.
Let me say this it is aninvestment, it is not a cost.
And so you get the PMPapplication comes in at where I
help you with the PMPapplication, the two week
bootcamp, all the questions,materials.
You have the community.
We actually go through thequestion, the live drills.
Last night I started to losethe group.
(33:53):
It's wintertime in most of theareas and so we stopped the
curriculum and went through thequestions.
We do that.
We do that on the weekend Afterthe boot camp.
You still have me one-on-one.
You have your community.
So the small investment is only4,500.
So you're talking 4,500 to get20, $30,000 increases.
That's, that's a steal, that'sa steal.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Absolutely Well, especially because your pass
rate is so high and you'retaking it down from you know
half a year or more to you couldbe fighting for that raise in
30 days, I mean that's.
I haven't heard of anybody elsedoing anything like it.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Absolutely, and I will tell you.
Recently, you know, companiesare still laying off in this
environment.
I have one client.
She has a new job.
Her boss has gotten laid offand her boss's boss have gotten
laid off.
In that time she got a 26%bonus and she's up for a major
promotion.
(34:52):
That has happened over and overin my community because of the
confidence that these ladies getand, like I said, now they're
able to quickly equate what theyhave, you know, contributed to
the company.
And quick bullets, Because youknow that's what leadership
talks.
They don't want to.
It was a bright, sunny day andthe birds were chirping.
Get to it.
(35:12):
What did you do?
I reduced this, I increasedthis and, you know, say it with
a little.
So absolutely.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
And that's, I mean, that's the point you just
pointed out there.
That's one of the things thatwe also tell people when they're
just you know, every daythrough their you know, their
job is making sure that you'rekeeping track of your
accomplishments, and quickbullet points like that.
So it's easy, when you come upfor when you want to raise or
whatever that may be, that youcan actually articulate what it
is, the value that you brought.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Absolutely.
And let me say this in mybootcamp I have words that are
prohibited.
Even when I have my consults, Idon't let women say I only, I
just like, oh, I cringe.
I just worked on this month $10million project and now all the
hospitals in the Atlanta areagirl, what did you do?
I'm like I'm gonna need you tosay that again, like literally
(36:02):
we're on a consultation call andI will coach women to stop
saying that I'm like I am hiring, my network is hiring.
You never know who's in theroom and you have shrunk all the
way down and then use the brandnames.
If you've used SAP, epic,workday, all this software and
you will see it nowhere on mostpeople's resume and LinkedIn,
(36:25):
you know you want to be thehidden secret, like no, and it's
not.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
We need to get away from the idea that it's bragging
.
It's not bragging, it's simplystating what you have done with
confidence.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, brandy, you must have been in some of my
consults.
Yesterday I said forget thishumble brag.
Like who said the humble brag?
That was like the word of lastyear.
No brag, I need you to brag andno offense.
I love people with kids becauseI am able to use their kids
against them in a good way.
(36:57):
Because kindergarten isexpensive, daycare is expensive,
all the extracurricularactivities, and so when I tell
women you can get a $20,000raise, that's some people's
kindergarten, that's my godson'sthird grade, and so when I can
equate it to their why it justhelps them get to the finish
line.
Because a lot of women theyjust cannot do it for themselves
(37:19):
now but they can do it fortheir kids in their household.
So that is another way, that'smy some secret sauce.
That's how I get a lot of womento the finish line.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Sauce sold separately .
We can give you the recipe, butthat sauce is separate.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Also, when you're quote, unquote, bragging or
whatever, like if it's true andyou've done it, you know
successfully.
That's not a negative thing,it's not.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
You have to stand in that power and I think you know
I've I've helped severalgirlfriends of mine negotiate
when they're up for either apromotion or a raise or they're,
you know, interviewing with anew company and I'm like, all
right, if they make this offer,what are you going to say?
And it's always too low and I'mlike you better add another 10%
, you better add another 20%.
(38:01):
And I will tell you the jobthat I have.
Now.
One offer was made and I camein at $30,000 higher with a
large amount of stock as well.
That was not even on the tableand that makes a difference.
You know we have pulled fromthat stock.
We pulled from that stock toput our money down for the lot
(38:23):
of the house that we are nowliving in.
You know we put.
Those are things that matter.
I mean, whether you start with60, 70, 80 thousand dollars of
stock, 150 thousand dollars ofstock, you don't know if you
don't ask.
And I even told my hiringmanager she was like well, I've
gone as far as I can, but thatdoesn't mean you can't ask for
more.
Thankfully, I've worked for alot of amazing women who you
(38:46):
know they're like ask forwhatever you want and let's see
what we can.
What can happen.
You will never get if you don'task.
Closed mouths do not get fed.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
At all and part of the original story when you
asked you know, how did I comeabout you know having this, this
confidence?
How did I come about you knowhaving this, this confidence?
One of the stories I tell a lotof people.
Early in my career, thatmediocre guy had the nerve to
ask for a $30,000 raise.
I got called into the office.
My manager, my director and myVP was in there.
Speaker 1 (39:18):
And I'm like, why am?
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I in here, like am I going to get fired?
I was early 20s and they werelike he asked for a $30,000
raise.
And I'm like what does thathave to do with me?
That's what I'm thinking,because, of course, I'm near
tears.
I'm 20, thinking I'm going tolose my job.
They were like you should haveasked.
I'm like huh.
They were like he had theaudacity to ask you should have
(39:41):
asked.
And you've done this, this,this.
And they actually deemed myperformance review because I did
not speak up.
And guess what?
They gave me the money he askedfor.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Wow, sounds to me like we need to implement the
Swedish way.
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Right, oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
That's a lot here.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
But I mean also think about the support that you had
and how much you learned in thattime, because you could have
been in a completely differentsituation where you didn't learn
how to speak up, you didn'tlearn to ask for what you
deserve, you didn't stand inyour truth, you didn't say it
with your chest.
You had a team and mentorsbehind you that really were
helping you become who you aretoday.
I mean that's incredible.
Most people don't get that.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
And learning it so early in your career too.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Right, because those 10, 20, $30,000 raises over time
, those are substantial.
Speaker 3 (40:30):
Substantial.
And then the next time I gotcalled into office I was taking
a one week vacation.
And I got called into officeand three of the you know, the
big wigs are in there.
I'm like here we go again.
They were like what are yougoing to do with that little one
week of vacation?
Big wigs are in there, I'm likehere we go again.
They were like what are yougoing to do with that little one
week of vacation?
He's taking a month, he'staking a month, he's taking a
month.
I told them what I was doingfor that week.
They were like stop, stop, stop.
They were like we are exhausted.
(40:51):
And they were like you're goingto come back exhausted, you
have to take at least two weeks.
And I was like I walked out,just brain, just.
But that's where my travel come, because now I take at least
two, two week vacations a yearwhen I'm in corporate.
It non-negotiable.
So when you say negotiatingstock, I'm negotiating stock.
(41:12):
But, more important, I'm comingfor the vacation.
I'm European, I said in theinterview and some people laugh
I'm like I'm European.
And they, some people laugh andsome people like what is she
talking about?
And they're oh, she's comingfor the vacation, like yeah, I
am.
Speaker 1 (41:26):
Listen, France doesn't work.
For the whole month of AugustI've worked at international
corporations.
You over here trying to give usa piddly four weeks.
They're over here taking months, you know.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Exactly, and so, like I said, I am so fortunate to
have, you know, been raised incorporate in a non-US company
where that culture is justinstilled in me.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
That's amazing, tamara.
We could talk to you about allof this, I mean, for hours and
hours, but we want people to act.
We want people to take thisinformation to find you to look
up your bootcamp.
Tell us one thing that you wantto leave our audience with, and
then also let them know wherethey can find you to sign up for
your bootcamp.
Tell us one thing that you wantto leave our audience with, and
then also let them know wherethey can find you to sign up for
your bootcamp.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
I want everybody that's listening to this to
understand, hear me and hear meloud and clear.
Everybody is a project manager,everybody.
You do not need the title, youdo not need the degree, you
don't need somebody telling youyou are or are not.
Everybody has projectmanagement in them.
Find me on Iwantmypnpcom.
(42:29):
I have a free quiz where youcan take a quiz to see how much
of a project manager you are.
I have a fundamentals course.
I have my schedule where youcan get a one-on-one with me for
free.
People think somebody else isgoing to show up.
It's actually me when I havethese consults and we can just
look at what projects,initiative, other duty as
(42:51):
assigned it's really a projectand, like I said, all this can
be found on Iwantmypnpcom.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
I'm glad you got that website.
That's perfect.
Iwantmypnpcom we are going tolink all of the places to find
you.
I know you're also a LinkedIntop voice, so we'll add in your
LinkedIn so people can connect,because I'm big on LinkedIn too
and your network is how you getwork, so we're going to add that
.
It looked like you were goingto say something.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
Nope.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Okay, tamara, this has been an awesome conversation
.
We are all about women'sempowerment, leveling up,
getting the coins.
This is exactly what we needed.
So thank you for being with usand for sharing your wisdom and
your laughs and your energy.
It's been fantastic and I can'twait to hear all the success
stories that come out of ouraudience reaching out to you.
(43:39):
So thank you for being with ustoday.
Speaker 3 (43:42):
Thank you for having me.
I'm super excited.
Before this call it's drearyhere, my throat was itchy, I had
all kind of, but when I say I'mon 10 now, this really, really
excites me.
Talking about projectmanagement and your energy, I'm
just super excited.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Thank you so much.
That means a lot, Don't forget.
Benjamin Franklin said aninvestment in knowledge pays the
best interest.
You just got paid, Until nexttime.
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Thanks for listening to today's episode.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
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