September 18, 2019 • 44 mins
People who inspire the human spirit, Episode 2.
Jen Labaw didn't know what was next. She had reached elite status in her career and she was destined to be crowned the champion. Then life happened and Jen couldn't compete, what happened next will blow your mind. She faced a fear she had been running from her entire life - you are not going to want to miss this episode.
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Kyle Hamer (00:06):
Hello and welcome to the summit, the podcast where we
bring you knowledge and insightsfrom the industry leaders and
professionals.
No fluff, no double-digitovernight growth schemes.
We're having real conversationswith real people to get you real
answers on how to elevate yourcareer, your path, and your
life.
Today's guest and my specialfriend is Jen Lebel and we're
going to do something a littledifferent today.
(00:27):
Uh, Jen.
Jen has expertise but probablyoutside of the sales and
marketing realm, which is wherewe normally play.
And Jen is doing me the honor ofbeing my first guest because we
talk about people who inspire usor inspire the human spirit.
So, Jim, I want to thank you forbeing a part of the podcast
today.
Jenny Labaw (00:48):
Thank you for having me.
And thank you for prefacing withI am outside of the realm of
sales and marketing.
Dude, I have no idea about salesand marketing,
Kyle Hamer (00:59):
you know, and that's, that is quite all right.
Uh, okay.
Not Everything needs to berevolving around sales and or
marketing.
But the, um, the thing I'll tellyou or for our listeners is that
Jen, if you don't know Jen, Jenis a woman filled with life
filled with passion, who hasdaily struggles that she's
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figured out a way to overcomeand she won't tell you about
them.
She doesn't wear them on hersleeve, but she is passionate
about helping people find theirbest self.
To tell us a little bit aboutyour, your passions and, and
Jenny Labaw (01:35):
[inaudible] you are.
Ooh, I like this.
Okay.
So my passions 110000% isspending time in nature with
people that I love.
And that if I could do thatevery single day for the rest of
my life, I will be the mostcontent person in the entire
world.
So, um, where do I bring thatinto my life?
(01:55):
Um, physical activity and thennature is the best.
So I have been the way that Imet you for everyone to know.
I met you way back when, when Iwas a Newbie out of college in
Cedar rapids, Iowa at AspenAthletic Club.
And I was my first year as apersonal trainer.
And what are we at almost 20years later, I'm still still
(02:16):
doing it.
I'm still in the fitness andwellness space and my passion
for being physically activeoutdoors with people that I
love, it goes directly into mypassion of helping people do
that and find their strengthsand be empowered to live the
life that they want.
Do Fitness and health andvitality and wellbeing.
Kyle Hamer (02:37):
Hmm.
You know, and, and for thosethat have not met you and
through this interview, I thinkthey'll get this, but there is
an energy that is absolutelycaptivating when people work
with you.
So it's, you know, yeah, we met20 years ago, but you're
somebody that as, as the yearshave gone by, you left a lasting
impression, not only out myself,my wife, and, and, and our
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family in just the zeal for howyou deal with life.
So, you know, when you, I thinkyou understate to a large
degree, the, uh, the passionthat you have for those things,
but by the same token, it exudesas people get to know,
Jenny Labaw (03:13):
no, thank you so much, you to make me cry on your
part.
Kyle Hamer (03:17):
Hey, let's let, well, I'm just trying to tell it
like it is.
Jen, sorry.
Now look, today, a normal dayfor you.
You know, you said you spent alot of time outdoors, you spend
a lot of time doing physicalfitness and active things.
What's a typical day like forJen?
Jenny Labaw (03:38):
Yeah, so I'll just give you what I've done today.
I got up this morning and I wentfor like an hour and a half
mountain bike ride with MarcusBrown who was the love of my
life.
And then we went to the grocerystore because we're going to go
camping this weekend.
So we stocked up on groceriesand then I came back to my house
where I have my office and I'vebeen working on my computer to
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develop my online space, myonline office and my online, um,
ability to reach people.
Um, and then in a few, I guessin an hour.
So I'm going to go downstairs tomy gym, which is literally my
basement.
We built our home with our ownhere, this big warehouse.
Um, we live in the loft and mygym is downstairs and I'm going
to coach people for the nextfour hours of the day and then I
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have dinner and go to bed.
Kyle Hamer (04:24):
That's awesome.
So now you, you do have clientsthen that are our physically
we'll come see you at the house.
Jenny Labaw (04:30):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I mean I, when I say I have agym, it's like a[inaudible] hmm.
12 to 1500 square foot gymdownstairs.
So it's not like a little tinylittle space.
You know, I, yeah, I have a fullblown gym.
I have members that come hereevery, every day and I do some
private training and they feelvery, very lucky.
Kyle Hamer (04:48):
That's awesome.
No, because this is sales andmarketing and I am curious,
cause you dropped it.
Um, tell me a little bit aboutthis, this exploration of the
online, like what, what's,what's that all about?
Jenny Labaw (05:01):
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm still trying to
figure that out, man.
That's fine.
I'm talking to you now.
Um, I, uh, so I've been coachingpeople remotely since 2008 just
with like Google docs and phonecalls and now facetime or zoom
and trying to be as physicallypresent without being present.
So you get that technology isjust incredible and the way that
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you can still reach people.
So, um, I am, I feel, and Idon't, I don't know how it was.
Let's see.
I think the fitness space isvery flooded.
You know, when you look at thefitness space online, it has
just blown up, which is so greatbecause there's so many
opportunities for people, butit's also a little scary to me
because there's a lot of peoplethat may not be 100% qualified
(05:44):
and are putting out good contentfor people, um, that are 100%
healthy.
But there's a lot of people inthis world that are not 100%
healthy and they go into theseprograms and they might get
injured or they develop some,um,[inaudible] adrenal fatigue
for the common common term or,or they get themselves into.
(06:04):
Um, so I'm kind of a downwardspiral when it should be an
upward spiral with their health.
So, um, there are some reallygreat programs out there too.
I'm not knocking, knocking that,but my, my goal is to be able to
share what I've done in personwith so many people for the last
20 years with a broader audience, um, for people that are at
home and needed to have, theyhave 20 minutes to get a workout
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in and pay attention to thehealth throughout the day for
the average person that it justwants to feel better and, and
look better in those jeans ifthey want to, I don't know, but
also address it from a healthystandpoint and not just pounding
out workouts and calorierestricting and taking a health
conscious approach to wellness.
Kyle Hamer (06:47):
Like I think, you know, I think one of the things
that, that oftentimes gets lostand, and again, right there with
you, I don't know how manypeople that I have met either
through the fitness industry or,um, watched from afar who are
there, their Pinterest.
I mean, there are, there arePinterest trainer, right?
It's like, oh, I read this greatworkout on Pinterest.
(07:08):
I'll pin it and I'll do it.
Your body's not ready.
It's not ready.
I mean, I, um,
Jenny Labaw (07:14):
okay.
Kyle Hamer (07:14):
I love the passion that you've had since day one
about functional movement, wholebody health, mind wellness,
meats.
It's not just a, hey, let's, uh,let's give you bigger biceps or
a better looking biotics.
It's really about making surethat the whole human being is in
a healthy spot.
Jenny Labaw (07:32):
Yes, sir.
Who else had no,
Kyle Hamer (07:35):
th th there are a couple things that I think, uh,
above and beyond what you dothat I think are really kind of
super cool human feats that I'vephysically watched you do.
Um, now in 2011, you kind ofwere like a big deal.
You were on ESPN and, and, um,made the, made the world stage.
(07:59):
Tell us a little bit about your,your trek into the crossfit
games.
Was it the first year, thesecond year of the crossfit
games?
Jenny Labaw (08:06):
I think the crossfit games started in
Aromas, California on the ranchin 2008.
So there was eight.
Yeah, eight and nine, I thinkwere at the ranch.
And then 10, I think they madeit down to Carson.
I could be wrong than that.
And then 11 was when I found outabout it.
So I guess I found, I kind ofdiscovered what crossfit was in
the, um, late 2010, but in 2011decided I was going to try to
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try to become an athlete andcrossfit and see what I could do
with it.
And um, so green and so naiveand so passionate and excited
and they had happened.
I just, in two, I trained mybutt off for six months and
surprise myself that thenorthern California regionals
and got second and then made myway to the big show.
(08:52):
And in 2011 at the time of lifewhen some of
Kyle Hamer (08:56):
the most incredible athletes I've ever met and good
people and play six with anincredible team behind me.
I mean, I couldn't have done itwith, without the people that
were supporting me the wholetime.
Yeah.
You know, it's um, well we'llget to the story in just a
minute, but you know, it's, it'sreally interesting.
Oftentimes people will get tothe top like you in, in podcasts
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or, or content in the world.
They're guys like Gary v you get, you're Tony Robbins, you're
Jack Welch's.
And they're like, oh, thisperson does all this great
stuff.
Yeah.
But there's usually like 15 or20 other people behind them,
supporting them, helping themexecute and get things done.
So I love the fact that you, yourecognize those folks even, you
know, eight years later, nineyears later, the impact they had
(09:40):
in your life.
Now how does, how does a wild atheart full of life,
twenty-something go from podunkcedar rapids, Iowa, two six than
the crossfit games?
What's, what's that look like?
How do you get there?
Jenny Labaw (09:58):
I just is just life man.
Like just the people you knowand decisions you make every day
.
You never know where they'regoing to take you.
And I went from Cedar rapids,Iowa to moving home to small
town Colorado and running andgym there where I met these,
well, these people are myclients.
And they met Marcus who was awater skier who lived in
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California.
And I ended up moving out toCalifornia and I work at this
gym that knows what crossfit is.
And I did this competition.
I ended up winning it and Idecided I should train and I
train and, and then I make it.
So how does that happen?
And just you're just living lifeand making decisions day by day,
you know, it's not like it's,and it's a lot of hard work.
(10:38):
A heck of a lot of hard work.
Kyle Hamer (10:39):
Yeah.
But I mean you've got, I mean,come on, come on Jen.
I mean that it's part of, it'syour passion, but there's a lot
of people that are like, oh, Ithink I could do that.
But you did it like, so,
Jenny Labaw (10:49):
oh, that's what you're asking my dry.
Kyle Hamer (10:51):
Yeah.
Like you did it.
I mean it, where'd it come from?
Like what, what was it aboutcrossfit that had you so curious
that you're like,
Jenny Labaw (11:01):
hmm.
It looked hard.
It looked hard.
It looked like I didn't think Icould do it almost.
You know, like, so I've done alot of things in my life and
crossfit is one thing that I'msuper proud of, but is it the
biggest thing I've done in mylife?
Not even close, right.
And biggest, I don't mean whereeveryone knows about it.
Most of the things that are mybiggest things people don't know
(11:22):
about, but it's the, it's thechallenge of thinking, hmm, I
really don't know if I can dothis, but I'm sure it's how I'm
going to try and I'm going totry as hard as I can and either
prove myself wrong, prove otherpeople wrong or surprised the
heck out of myself.
I don't know.
Or, or fail, you know what Imean?
(11:42):
That's, that's also, that's avery likely thing and happens a
lot where you choose these bigfeats and you work your tail off
and you don't quite make it tothe big show.
And it's okay because you learnmore about yourself in the
process.
And that's kind of how I live mynot, not doing, trying not to do
the comfort zone thing, tryingto live as far out of my comfort
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zone as I can.
And that's how cross the happenI think for me.
Kyle Hamer (12:08):
That's awesome.
Well there are a lot of peoplewho have a lot of things that
they wish.
When you think about thedifference between say you and
your choice with crossfit andmaking the decision of I can do
it or I can't do it, or let me,let me push myself to the
limits.
What are practical tips forsomebody who like maybe I can
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give up the bag of chips or Ican't give up the bag of chips
to, to make that life changeincrementally.
Cause it didn't, it didn'thappen right away.
Right.
It wasn't like, hey one minuteyou're, you know, one minute you
meet this water skier, the nextminute you're doing muscle up.
So on ESPN there, there was,there were incremental things
that happen.
How do you, how do you getthere?
Jenny Labaw (12:51):
There are a couple of steps.
There were a couple of steps inbetween.
Um, you know, this is somethingthat I work with my clients all
the time and that I think is aconstant thing that we all have
to do.
And no matter if it's yourtraining for the crossfit games
or you're just trying to make itday by day through your job and
through your life, um, I'm sureyou guys have all heard of Simon
(13:11):
Sinek is knowing your why.
You know, why, why are you doingit?
If your why is not strong enoughor you don't know your why,
you're going to get fried,you're going to get burned out,
you're not going to be able tomake it through those times.
That sucks so bad that youbarely can function, right?
You've got to know why you'redoing it.
And if, if you get to a pointthroughout that process where
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you're trying and you're tryingand you're trying and you know
your why but it just doesn'tfeel right or things are just
not going the way that you wantthem to go and you can't figure
it out and it's time to rethinkyour why.
Maybe your why has changed, youknow, maybe you don't have that
drive to do it anymore.
Maybe you really, whatever yourreason for for doing what you're
doing is your, what is it, howdo they say your reason, your
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reason for changing much.
I can't, I'm going to totallybutcher it.
I'm not even gonna judge this.
Basically you've got to, you gotto know why and you have to be,
have that clear purpose and thatclear vision or at least the
direction for that clear purposeand clear vision to be able to
make it through the hard times.
Kyle Hamer (14:13):
That particular statement and I've heard Simon
Sinek speak and, and I heard hiswife but I don't think I've
really experienced that or feltit would quite like with you.
And maybe it's just cause, causeI know you and I know the way
that you live your life, butwhen I think about people who
have to work through theadjustment of finding their why,
(14:36):
right?
Somebody who was maybe a formerhigh school athlete, they were,
maybe they were the jock or theywere the, you know, they were
the homecoming court, all starathletes and all of the sudden
something happens to them.
Something maybe medically, maybeit's an injury, maybe it's, you
know, it's a pregnancy or adeath, something happens.
(14:57):
Right?
And it changes their course.
Finding that why for folks whoseidentity was wrapped up in a
performance or wrapped up insomething other than really a
passion when it's about egoversus passion, I think it's a
really hard transition forpeople to make.
How have you seen people besuccessful?
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Like what are strategies thatare helping, like better
successful for helping peopleget through that?
Jenny Labaw (15:25):
Yeah.
Um, so I'm going to throw Marcusunder the bus here a little bit
and hopefully maybe he won'tlisten to this too.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, um, he was a pro waterskier for 19 years and he was
one of the best in the world.
And in, I guess it was seven oreight years ago, he was skiing
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at a local tournament and doinggreat and all of a sudden
something went wrong and youblew his back out and he was
taken from being one of the bestin the world and his sport to
not be able to even stand up asan athlete.
You try to think that youridentity is not in that.
We try to think that I do not, Iam a person, I do not identify
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with just being an athlete.
But when that is taken away fromyou, out of your control, a
piece of you is broken, a pieceof you is lost a piece of you
might even feel a little bitdead.
You know what, you, you're,you're confused.
And so I'm using Marcus as anathlete, right?
Um, but this can happen.
(16:27):
Like you said, there's apregnancy, there's a death, you
get fired.
Whatever it is that you identifya part of you with and that's
taken away from you.
How do you jump back?
You gotta take some time.
You know, I think that's onepeople just jump into the,
what's the next thing?
What's the next thing I can do?
What's the next thing that I cando?
Take some time to reflect on, onw what you just went through
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and, and except that it is outof your control and you can't
control everything in your life.
Like that's a big thing rightthere, right?
But then that's not all you are.
There's so many pieces and partsto every individual.
So then you have to startthinking about what else am I
good at?
What else am I passionate about?
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What else can I bring to thisworld that is going to be an
extreme value.
And once you start putting allthose pieces together and you
find a common ground that isyour why, that intersection of
all of those things, of yourvalue, of your, um, the skills
of your expertise, of yourpassions, that is your, that
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will help you to decide what thenext step is.
I believe,
Kyle Hamer (17:39):
well, I don't think, I don't think it's probably the
probably belief is, is part ofit, but I also think it's
something that you live very,very vivaciously
Jenny Labaw (17:50):
and out loud in both being still enough to
reflect but flexible enough todeal with a lot of uncertainty
and you know, at times thingshappening to you that you can't
control through no fault of yourown.
Right.
Yeah.
You and Marcus started, I keeptalking about Marcus for crying
(18:11):
out loud currently.
I spend a lot of time with thoseguys.
We were talking about thismorning that there's, okay,
there's this thing with humansthat we have to label things,
right?
Like say I'm having a really badmonth of my life and I'm in this
super sad point of my life.
Things are just not going rightand we might label that as
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depression or we might labelthat you're having some anxiety
or we might label it assomething.
Whereas we're trying to put atitle on the way that we feel
instead of just feeling it andaccepting that that's just, oh,
it's okay.
Like we're not always going tobe happy.
Things aren't always going to begoing right.
And if they were like, whensuck, because then you'd never
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know that things were alwaysgoing right.
You know, you have to have, youhave to have the bad to have the
good, you have to have this suckto have the glory, like I was
saying.
So I sometimes get frustratedwhen people have to label the
way that they're feeling isinstead of just feeling it and
rolling with it.
And the next step will come.
When you do that, when you'reactually in the moment and
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present and aware of what'shappening.
So you keep talking aboutMarcus, but, but it really is
the person that inspires thehuman spirit.
And in, let me, let me, let mehelp our audience understand.
So you compete in the crossfitgames, you play six.
(19:37):
Right.
Okay.
Why didn't you compete again?
I, yeah, I competed again in2012.
I got regionals and got back tothe crossfit games in 2012 but
halfway through, well, the wholeyear I was battling a pretty
severe neck injury and ended upfinding out that in life past I
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had broken my neck, which I didnot know and I had bulging,
still have bulging c four, five,six.
So that, um, flared up reallybad at the crossfit games that
year, halfway through and I hadto make the hard decision to
withdraw.
I probably could have pushedthrough, but turns out you only
get one neck in your lifetime.
So I tried to hang on to thatone as much as I could and made
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that hard decision.
And then in 2013 I was humpedand this was going to be my
year.
I was going to win.
And the day before the open,which is the first qualifying
rounds.
Um, I was riding my bike homefrom work and I got t-boned by
another cyclist and tried to besuper athletic and jump over my
handlebars and ended up breakingmy foot.
So the day before thecompetition season, I was, I
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wasn't essentially out cause Iwas in a, I was in a boot.
And um, I talked to a friend ofmine, Kelly Strat, who's a big,
big guru in the fitness worldand he, he said, you're not
done.
He was like, you've just got tofigure out how to do it on one
foot.
And I said, your feet, you'reabsolutely right.
That is, you're so right.
So I did the open on one footand did not qualify for the
(21:06):
[inaudible] the games thatyou're on for regionals, but um,
but inspired a heck of a lot ofpeople and how to realize I had
a completely different purposethat season.
My season was not to win.
My season was to inspire people.
That adversity is just there andyou got to figure out a way to
get through it.
So that was 2013 in 2014 theplan was to compete again.
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I got to regionals and I endedup getting eight, but we had
been building a house.
I was working full time buildinga house full time and also
trying to train for the gamesfull time, not a good
combination.
And after that I was prettyfried.
I had to, I just was donetraining by myself and beating
my body up and so I decided tocall it.
(21:48):
So you, you did, you did comeback?
I did.
I did.
You didn't give up, you didn'tlay down until you found out a
different way?
Yeah, totally.
The different why he is verypersonally I think.
Oh yeah.
What you did next was prettyspecial.
(22:09):
What did you do next?
Yeah, well in 2012 after I kindof built that platform with
crossfit.
Marcus is a videographer and heis that Jenny, you have a, you
have the ability to share yourstory.
And at this point in my life,when I was eight years old, I
was diagnosed with epilepsy andthere was a handful of people in
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my life that knew that at thispoint.
So it was very scary at what wasI 31 years old, something like
that to all of a sudden tell theentire world.
But in my world, but I hadepilepsy.
But um, Marcus has created avideo called Jenny ball living
with epilepsy.
I think it's still on youtube.
And he said, if you don't likeit, we don't have to share it.
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If you do, then then we can.
And so he created the video in2012 just before I went to
regionals and I couldn't notshare it.
I was so scared.
I was probably scared, one ofthe scariest things I've ever
done in my entire life.
Right?
Cause there's all these peoplethat are following my healthy
lifestyle and my walks of lifeand my exercises and my workouts
and my nutrition and just, justmy life.
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And so to put that out therewas, I thought people were gonna
just what a Weirdo.
So, but I did it.
And the result wasoverwhelmingly positive.
And people from all walks oflife reached out to me and said,
either I've known you foreverand I had no idea, or I don't
know you, you don't know me, butmy mom has epilepsy, my sister
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has epilepsy, my best friend hasepilepsy, my dad has cancer.
Thank you for showing me that.
I can so encourage him to dothings.
So there was just this awesomeresponse.
And it wasn't until I quitcompeting in 2014 that I had
space and energy to do somethingwith that new part of my life
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that had been opened.
Um, and I was sitting on thecouch watching a documentary
with Marcus called, um, into thewind.
It's Terry Fox.
He's a Canadian who you got towatch it.
I don't even want to spoil thestory, but dude was diagnosed
with osteosarcoma and ended uprunning across Canada for cancer
research in the 80s and when Isaw that we were sitting on the
(24:22):
couch, it was over, the creditswere rolling and I looked at
Marcus and I said, okay, I gottado something bigger.
And in June that year, it was2015 we were in Colorado where
I'm from and we were drivingthrough the mountains and it hit
me like a ton of bricks and Ijust started bawling and I said,
I'm going to, I'm going to runacross Colorado for epilepsy.
And two and a half months later,I found myself on the New Mexico
(24:43):
border of Colorado.
I'm taking off on a 31 dayjourney, running 500 miles over
the Colorado Rockies to theWyoming border.
And it was by far the mostincredible thing I've ever done
in my life to this point,personally, socially, globally,
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spiritually, emotionally,physically, all of it.
Two and a half years prior youwere,
Kyle Hamer (25:11):
you are a closet epileptic.
Jenny Labaw (25:13):
Yup.
Kyle Hamer (25:14):
Right.
You mean you, I knew you, I sawyou all the time.
I had no idea that this was partof who general buy was.
It was, where were you ashamedof it?
Jenny Labaw (25:26):
Um, I sh, I don't know if ashamed is the word.
I mean, there was nothing.
I was afraid people were goingto judge me and I was going to,
um, I dunno.
I was just, I was, I was justafraid that people were going to
think that I was a Weirdo, youknow?
And I, I did totally irrationalthought except for, except for
(25:49):
some people.
Do you know?
So, um,
Kyle Hamer (25:53):
well look, I think, I think from a personal
standpoint, I didn't appreciatewhat epilepsy was and how it
impacted people until you sharedyour story.
Jenny Labaw (26:11):
That makes sense.
That's the whole reason I sharedmy story.
So I'm so glad to hear that.
There was a little boy
Kyle Hamer (26:17):
when I was, uh, sophomore and junior at junior
and senior, I can't remember inhigh school.
And we went to[inaudible] tablerock, Missouri.
Like we'd go skiing and therewas this family that had a
five-year-old four and five yearold boy.
He was a really, really, reallydeep into the autistic.
He was really autistic, wouldn'tconnect.
(26:40):
And I remember his firstepileptic episode and episode
Pepsi as well as being autistic.
And I think seeing that in him,like you get this kind of this,
this fear, this uncertainty,there's this loss of control.
He and I bonded for whatever thereason we, we bonded through his
(27:02):
autism and when he had hisepileptic episode the first
time, like I really didn't knowwhat to do.
And it was, it was terrifying.
Jenny Labaw (27:08):
[inaudible]
Kyle Hamer (27:09):
but there was still this stigma, even though like is
a sweet boy, there's still thisstigma of absolute ipsy, this
weird, crazy, creepy likecooties type of thing.
And I think you're right.
Like a lot of people would stillbe like, hmm, yeah, I know Jen
can't compete in the crossgames, or no, Jen can't do this
or that because she has thisthing that's gonna prevent her
(27:29):
from doing it.
Jenny Labaw (27:31):
[inaudible]
Kyle Hamer (27:31):
but when you came out and you showed your story,
it was like, Oh wow, Jen did doall these things.
Not In spite of, but alongsidewith like it was like there,
there was like there was noseparation between the two.
And and watching your story andwatching your run.
Jenny Labaw (27:50):
Okay,
Kyle Hamer (27:51):
man, can you just, you, um, you moved a lot of
people in a short period oftime.
Jenny Labaw (27:59):
Thank you.
That was, you know, I, my momsaid something really cool at
the end of my run that I willnever forget.
She was there on and off.
You know, she had to work so shewas not there the whole time,
but she was in there on and off.
Then she, at the very end of myrun, something very surprising
happened.
I crossed the finish line of the500 miles and Aye, my feet were
(28:24):
completely annihilated.
My body was, I had lost 14pounds.
I was just, I was, I waswithering away.
My body was done, but mentally Ijust wanted to turn around and
run back.
I didn't want it to be over.
I didn't want, I did, I didn'tthink I could go back to like
normal society.
Like how can I go and deal withmy clients?
I just had the most massivemoments of my life.
(28:47):
How can I go back to, to real,to real life, quote unquote.
And I would just in t I had totake, I mean I had so many
people at the finish line, I wasso lucky and this is in the
middle of, when I say finishline, middle of nowhere, the
people are with me, use tenttent poles to put out Wyoming
flag on.
There was no flag and it wasjust in the middle of nowhere on
(29:08):
a dirt road in the ranch.
And there were all these peoplethat showed up and I had to take
20 minutes almost to just sitthere and cry by myself.
And I was in like squatting downand almost a fetal position,
just just lost.
And my mom said to me, she said,Jenny, after what we kind of
collected myself and we had gotin the truck, she said, Jenny,
(29:28):
what are you running from?
When I told her I wanted to keeprunning, she said, what are you
running from?
And it just, it hit me and I inmy gut and I thought, man, I
don't know, what am I runningaround?
Like this is, you know, and ofcourse we have things, we all
have things in our life that arenot perfect.
So maybe that's part of it, butI didn't want it to be over
because I felt like there's justso many more people that I could
(29:51):
impact.
So it wasn't running, runningfrom something, it was running
to something like, what else canI do to continue to inspire
others and to continue to getmessages from people telling
them that I've changed theirlife because now they realize
that epilepsy does not controlthem or their diabetes does not
control them or whatever it is.
You know, it was, I realizedfrom that run what I thought I
(30:15):
was just going to go spread alittle message about epilepsy
was so much bigger than I evercould've met imagined.
And I didn't want that to beover, you know?
So I don't know why I got onthat topic if no idea.
But
Kyle Hamer (30:30):
yeah.
Well, you know, that's reallyinteresting that you, you know,
you talked about wanting to turnaround and running to cause this
or in a run run back acrossthis, the state.
First of all, it sounds likeyour mom's super wise, so she
gets bonus points.
She gets super big bonus pointsfor being super smart lady.
(30:53):
But it sounds like what youexperienced, cause how many days
was it, was it 21 days, 31 dayswith four days in hospitals and
gyms and stuff at the hospital.
The first thing that comes tomind is, is it was a person in
recovery day in a hospital withan id?
Jenny Labaw (31:07):
No, I mean I was doing, I was like[inaudible]
hospitals speaking it.
Kyle Hamer (31:11):
Oh, okay.
Got It.
Yeah.
Um, so 31 days,
Jenny Labaw (31:19):
31 days, 31 days.
Kyle Hamer (31:22):
That transformed you.
Jenny Labaw (31:25):
Yeah.
Kyle Hamer (31:28):
Jenny going in versus Jenny coming out.
What was the big thing youlearned about you during that
time?
Jenny Labaw (31:34):
Okay.
Oh Gosh, there were so manythings.
Um, okay.
You know, one thing that I as anathlete is I try to always be or
try as much as I can to be inthe moment.
(31:54):
I tried to be present.
I tried to, um, be fully awareof where, what I'm doing, where
I'm doing it, when I'm doing it.
And I realized on my run thatI'd never achieved it.
Until then.
I had always thought that I had,I always thought that I had just
, um, I mean, I shouldn't saynever.
(32:16):
There's probably points likemountain biking.
If you're not present, you'regoing to hurt yourself way back.
But, um, there, there were hoursthat went by that I don't
remember because I was literallyin the moment.
I was so present in what washappening and I could feel all
the fields or not feel any ofthe fields and depending on
(32:39):
where it was.
And so what was my biggestpersonal takeaway is I think the
reason, personally, that was oneof the most influential times of
my life is because I was reallypresent.
And when you're truly present,you can truly understand who you
are, what you're doing, and whatyour purpose is, what your why
(33:02):
is.
You feel it.
You are it.
You're not just thinking aboutit.
You are at, and that was, I am sI still struggle to get to that
point.
There's so many more things thathappen, but that was far as
(33:22):
something that has stuck with mepersonally.
That is it.
Kyle Hamer (33:25):
Ah,
Jenny Labaw (33:27):
okay.
I can't imagine 31 days
Kyle Hamer (33:31):
of being present.
And I don't mean that because ofthe distractions.
And I don't mean that becauseit's like, oh, we'd never do
that.
Jenny Labaw (33:41):
I mean that because then on a micro scale, okay,
Kyle Hamer (33:45):
in 2001, uh, I took an adventure up the, uh, saddle
in the grand Tetons and we wereup there for six days
Jenny Labaw (33:57):
before dies.
Kyle Hamer (33:59):
And the solitude, right, you don't have cell phone
service.
You might've taken a book, butthe winds blow in.
So you can't really read thebook because the pages are
blowing all around and you'rejust there.
And when you're walking up, it'syou, your breath,
Jenny Labaw (34:12):
your pack,
Kyle Hamer (34:13):
some sounds right.
Maybe you hear somebodyhollering at something, but it's
just, it's just silent.
And the, the, the lack ofdistraction or obligation or any
of them.
It just, just trying to thinkabout that amplified at 31 days.
(34:36):
Um, I know what four, four days,five days in the Tetons did for
my soul.
I can't imagine what 31 days didfor years.
Jenny Labaw (34:46):
Yeah.
So it's 110% filled my soul.
And it's not, I don't want youguys to like, it's like I was
totally present for 31 days.
There was a lot of distraction.
It was a lot of pain.
There was a lot of, oh my God, Iwish I was somewhere else right
now.
Everything on.
Um, but yeah, those, thosemoments of truly, truly being
(35:07):
present, there is nothing likethat.
You can't find your why
Kyle Hamer (35:14):
if you're distracted with other things.
Jenny Labaw (35:18):
No, you can't.
And the other, okay, so if you,I don't know how much I probably
have, I haven't even talkedabout not being a master or an
expert on this stuff.
I'm not even pretending to be,but I try to be as present as I
can.
I tried to be as aware as I can.
I try and I'm terrible atmeditating.
My meditating is hiking.
That is how I meditate.
I can not sit and just like,that's not me.
(35:40):
Right.
So one common misconception,which I have been this
misconception, so I can saythis, is that people think about
being present and being justbeing as an meditating, as being
completely clear in the mind,being like, you're not thinking
of it.
That is so wrong.
That's so weird to me at leastbeing present is being aware of
(36:05):
everything that's coming in andout of your head.
Like you're aware of thethought.
You recognize it, you let it go.
You're aware of the pain in yourfeet, you recognize it, you let
it go.
You're aware of the awesomenessaround you and you take it all
in and you eat it all up, right?
You, you've got to[inaudible]that on an everyday basis.
But I don't know that everyonethat we're listening here is
going to go climb the Tetons orrun across Colorado.
(36:27):
So on an everyday basis, how doyou achieve that?
You take time and that is whatour society is terrible at and I
am pointing my finger straightback at myself is we don't take
time to feel and to be and to beaware and listen to our thoughts
and to feel our thoughts and to,to ask ourselves questions.
(36:51):
We don't, we don't take time todo that because we are
constantly going and striving tobe better.
And you know what?
You're pretty damn good.
Just the way you are.
So stop trying so hard to bebetter.
You're enough like, sorry, I'mgetting fired up.
But this is, it's, it's a, it'ssomething I'm going through and
working through every day andsince I finished my run has been
(37:12):
something that I'm constantlyworking, working through is to
know that we are enough just theway we are and taking time to
realize that and feel all thefields and know all the nos than
you're going to be doing prettygood.
Kyle Hamer (37:27):
Everything that you just said.
I think every human on thisearth needs to hear.
Jenny Labaw (37:37):
It's true.
There's[inaudible], there's somuch out there right now, and
this might even be your podcastof how to optimize your
performance, how to optimizeyour business, how to optimize
your life, how to optimize yourfeelings in your family and your
everything.
We weren't made to be optimal[inaudible] we were made to be
(38:00):
and we were made to fail and wewere made to hurt and we were
made to be happy and we weremade to succeed.
And that roller coaster is whatwe call life.
And that is where it's enough.
And if you don't feel like whatyou're doing is enough, then you
start taking some steps.
But you where you are right noware exactly where you're
supposed to be.
Kyle Hamer (38:22):
And you know the thing that's interesting,
Jenny Labaw (38:25):
right?
Kyle Hamer (38:25):
Somebody who may have heard that just now, we'll
say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's easy for you to say.
You've had this transformativelife experience.
You like who you are.
I don't like who I am.
Jenny Labaw (38:35):
Okay,
Kyle Hamer (38:35):
okay.
Did sounds to to a degree thatthere was a moment where there
was a part of you that youdidn't necessarily want to
accept
Jenny Labaw (38:43):
or didn't, could tell ya you like, yeah.
And you know what?
This whole game of social media,what's up, don't even get me
started on this, but[inaudible]use this as my social media
channel right now.
I try to be as authentic as Ican be, but you know what?
We're all putting on a show.
You know, we all are.
There are parts of me that Idon't like at all.
(39:05):
There's parts of me that I lookin the mirror and I'm like,
right, I don't like how thatlooks.
Or there's thoughts that gothrough my head or judgements
that I pass that I don't like.
I don't.
And that's also being human.
And that's where I say, you knowyou are enough because we aren't
made to be optimal.
We're made to be human.
And that's exactly that personright now who's thinking, oh
(39:28):
well you have it all.
You're exactly where you want tobe.
No, I'm not.
I'm not at all.
But I'm accepting where I am andI'm going to try to get to where
I want to be.
When it feels right to do it,I'm not going to push it.
You know, I'm not going to dothings that don't feel right or
don't feel authentic.
And that's, that to me is thatto me is life and that is being
(39:51):
present.
And then that's what I learnedfrom my run.
And that's what I've learnedfrom competing in the cross, the
Games.
And that's what I've learnedfrom having epilepsy and every
other trial and tribulation thatwe've had is that you[inaudible]
, you're pretty am good the wayyou are.
Okay.
But there's also things that wecan all improve on.
So it's a hard battle.
(40:12):
You know?
Kyle Hamer (40:16):
Th Th th there's definitely that, that balance,
you know, one of the thingsthat, that I believe firmly in
his is don't get it right.
Get it going.
Yes.
They all have the fail, failhard, fail fast, and fail often
because if you get comfortablefailing,
Jenny Labaw (40:33):
you'll learn to fail forward.
Exactly.
I love that.
A couple things
Kyle Hamer (40:42):
because I know you are a tremendous spokesperson
just in general for forwellness, but probably more so I
would like to help, uh, thefoundations that you care about
related to epilepsy.
How can people get involved inhelping bring additional
awareness to epilepsy or findingtheir best life?
(41:04):
What, what are, what areorganizations that let you know
that, that you inspire them aswell?
Jenny Labaw (41:10):
Nope.
Um, so I've been involved withthe epilepsy foundation of
America, um, both professionallyand personally.
They're a great foundation.
There's also a foundation calledcure.
Um, there it's a epilepsyspecific as well.
Let's see.
You are, um, this is superrandom.
This has nothing to do withepilepsy, but another huge, um,
(41:30):
organization that I love isprotect our winters o w and it's
all not to get into a completelypolitical discussion, but it's
all about climate change andprotecting this one place that
we have to live right now.
Um, so that's another, another,going back to my whole where I
started that nature is, mynature is my therapy.
Nature is my home.
Protect our winters is a greatone.
Kyle Hamer (41:52):
And if somebody wants to to reach out, get in
contact with you, talk to you.
What's the best way to get aholdof the agenda?
Jenny Labaw (41:59):
Um, my website is [inaudible] dot com my email is
very simple.
Jenny at Jenny[inaudible] dotcom okay, please email me and
then Instagram is at Gen Laba.
Then Facebook is genuine,Lubbock.
Kyle Hamer (42:15):
We'll have all those links in the, on the web, on the
blog as well as we'll embed themin the podcast description for
folks.
Jenny Labaw (42:25):
And if you have seriously, if you have like
personal, I'm all about gettingback to like direct messages and
personal messages as often asthey can.
So you have personal stuff youdon't want to put on my own by
big feed, then please reach out.
Personally, I'd love that.
I'd love to hear from you.
Kyle Hamer (42:39):
I, it's really been my pleasure to have you on the
show today.
I'm super honored that you werewilling to share your story and
reminisce a little bit.
Thank you.
Jenny Labaw (42:49):
Thank you so much.
It means the world again,completely honored to all that
are listening.
Kyle Hamer (42:58):
[inaudible] Instagram.
I promise you, she will droptruth bombs like crazy fitness.
You'll be blown away.
But more importantly, I thinkyou'll be encouraged by just
what an incredible human beingshe is.
And that's probably the quickestand easiest way to get ahold of
her.
Thanks for listening to ourspecial episode on people who
inspire the human spirit.
(43:19):
And thank you so much, Jen, forbeing here today.
Hello and welcome to the summit, the podcast where we
bring you knowledge and insightsfrom the industry leaders and
professionals.
No fluff, no double-digitovernight growth schemes.
We're having real conversationswith real people to get you real
answers on how to elevate yourcareer, your path, and your
life.
Today's guest and my specialfriend is Jen Lebel and we're
going to do something a littledifferent today.
(00:27):
Uh, Jen.
Jen has expertise but probablyoutside of the sales and
marketing realm, which is wherewe normally play.
And Jen is doing me the honor ofbeing my first guest because we
talk about people who inspire usor inspire the human spirit.
So, Jim, I want to thank you forbeing a part of the podcast
today.
Jenny Labaw (00:48):
Thank you for having me.
And thank you for prefacing withI am outside of the realm of
sales and marketing.
Dude, I have no idea about salesand marketing,
Kyle Hamer (00:59):
you know, and that's, that is quite all right.
Uh, okay.
Not Everything needs to berevolving around sales and or
marketing.
But the, um, the thing I'll tellyou or for our listeners is that
Jen, if you don't know Jen, Jenis a woman filled with life
filled with passion, who hasdaily struggles that she's
(01:21):
figured out a way to overcomeand she won't tell you about
them.
She doesn't wear them on hersleeve, but she is passionate
about helping people find theirbest self.
To tell us a little bit aboutyour, your passions and, and
Jenny Labaw (01:35):
[inaudible] you are.
Ooh, I like this.
Okay.
So my passions 110000% isspending time in nature with
people that I love.
And that if I could do thatevery single day for the rest of
my life, I will be the mostcontent person in the entire
world.
So, um, where do I bring thatinto my life?
(01:55):
Um, physical activity and thennature is the best.
So I have been the way that Imet you for everyone to know.
I met you way back when, when Iwas a Newbie out of college in
Cedar rapids, Iowa at AspenAthletic Club.
And I was my first year as apersonal trainer.
And what are we at almost 20years later, I'm still still
(02:16):
doing it.
I'm still in the fitness andwellness space and my passion
for being physically activeoutdoors with people that I
love, it goes directly into mypassion of helping people do
that and find their strengthsand be empowered to live the
life that they want.
Do Fitness and health andvitality and wellbeing.
Kyle Hamer (02:37):
Hmm.
You know, and, and for thosethat have not met you and
through this interview, I thinkthey'll get this, but there is
an energy that is absolutelycaptivating when people work
with you.
So it's, you know, yeah, we met20 years ago, but you're
somebody that as, as the yearshave gone by, you left a lasting
impression, not only out myself,my wife, and, and, and our
(02:59):
family in just the zeal for howyou deal with life.
So, you know, when you, I thinkyou understate to a large
degree, the, uh, the passionthat you have for those things,
but by the same token, it exudesas people get to know,
Jenny Labaw (03:13):
no, thank you so much, you to make me cry on your
part.
Kyle Hamer (03:17):
Hey, let's let, well, I'm just trying to tell it
like it is.
Jen, sorry.
Now look, today, a normal dayfor you.
You know, you said you spent alot of time outdoors, you spend
a lot of time doing physicalfitness and active things.
What's a typical day like forJen?
Jenny Labaw (03:38):
Yeah, so I'll just give you what I've done today.
I got up this morning and I wentfor like an hour and a half
mountain bike ride with MarcusBrown who was the love of my
life.
And then we went to the grocerystore because we're going to go
camping this weekend.
So we stocked up on groceriesand then I came back to my house
where I have my office and I'vebeen working on my computer to
(04:00):
develop my online space, myonline office and my online, um,
ability to reach people.
Um, and then in a few, I guessin an hour.
So I'm going to go downstairs tomy gym, which is literally my
basement.
We built our home with our ownhere, this big warehouse.
Um, we live in the loft and mygym is downstairs and I'm going
to coach people for the nextfour hours of the day and then I
(04:22):
have dinner and go to bed.
Kyle Hamer (04:24):
That's awesome.
So now you, you do have clientsthen that are our physically
we'll come see you at the house.
Jenny Labaw (04:30):
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
I mean I, when I say I have agym, it's like a[inaudible] hmm.
12 to 1500 square foot gymdownstairs.
So it's not like a little tinylittle space.
You know, I, yeah, I have a fullblown gym.
I have members that come hereevery, every day and I do some
private training and they feelvery, very lucky.
Kyle Hamer (04:48):
That's awesome.
No, because this is sales andmarketing and I am curious,
cause you dropped it.
Um, tell me a little bit aboutthis, this exploration of the
online, like what, what's,what's that all about?
Jenny Labaw (05:01):
Yeah, I don't, I don't, I'm still trying to
figure that out, man.
That's fine.
I'm talking to you now.
Um, I, uh, so I've been coachingpeople remotely since 2008 just
with like Google docs and phonecalls and now facetime or zoom
and trying to be as physicallypresent without being present.
So you get that technology isjust incredible and the way that
(05:23):
you can still reach people.
So, um, I am, I feel, and Idon't, I don't know how it was.
Let's see.
I think the fitness space isvery flooded.
You know, when you look at thefitness space online, it has
just blown up, which is so greatbecause there's so many
opportunities for people, butit's also a little scary to me
because there's a lot of peoplethat may not be 100% qualified
(05:44):
and are putting out good contentfor people, um, that are 100%
healthy.
But there's a lot of people inthis world that are not 100%
healthy and they go into theseprograms and they might get
injured or they develop some,um,[inaudible] adrenal fatigue
for the common common term or,or they get themselves into.
(06:04):
Um, so I'm kind of a downwardspiral when it should be an
upward spiral with their health.
So, um, there are some reallygreat programs out there too.
I'm not knocking, knocking that,but my, my goal is to be able to
share what I've done in personwith so many people for the last
20 years with a broader audience, um, for people that are at
home and needed to have, theyhave 20 minutes to get a workout
(06:26):
in and pay attention to thehealth throughout the day for
the average person that it justwants to feel better and, and
look better in those jeans ifthey want to, I don't know, but
also address it from a healthystandpoint and not just pounding
out workouts and calorierestricting and taking a health
conscious approach to wellness.
Kyle Hamer (06:47):
Like I think, you know, I think one of the things
that, that oftentimes gets lostand, and again, right there with
you, I don't know how manypeople that I have met either
through the fitness industry or,um, watched from afar who are
there, their Pinterest.
I mean, there are, there arePinterest trainer, right?
It's like, oh, I read this greatworkout on Pinterest.
(07:08):
I'll pin it and I'll do it.
Your body's not ready.
It's not ready.
I mean, I, um,
Jenny Labaw (07:14):
okay.
Kyle Hamer (07:14):
I love the passion that you've had since day one
about functional movement, wholebody health, mind wellness,
meats.
It's not just a, hey, let's, uh,let's give you bigger biceps or
a better looking biotics.
It's really about making surethat the whole human being is in
a healthy spot.
Jenny Labaw (07:32):
Yes, sir.
Who else had no,
Kyle Hamer (07:35):
th th there are a couple things that I think, uh,
above and beyond what you dothat I think are really kind of
super cool human feats that I'vephysically watched you do.
Um, now in 2011, you kind ofwere like a big deal.
You were on ESPN and, and, um,made the, made the world stage.
(07:59):
Tell us a little bit about your,your trek into the crossfit
games.
Was it the first year, thesecond year of the crossfit
games?
Jenny Labaw (08:06):
I think the crossfit games started in
Aromas, California on the ranchin 2008.
So there was eight.
Yeah, eight and nine, I thinkwere at the ranch.
And then 10, I think they madeit down to Carson.
I could be wrong than that.
And then 11 was when I found outabout it.
So I guess I found, I kind ofdiscovered what crossfit was in
the, um, late 2010, but in 2011decided I was going to try to
(08:30):
try to become an athlete andcrossfit and see what I could do
with it.
And um, so green and so naiveand so passionate and excited
and they had happened.
I just, in two, I trained mybutt off for six months and
surprise myself that thenorthern California regionals
and got second and then made myway to the big show.
(08:52):
And in 2011 at the time of lifewhen some of
Kyle Hamer (08:56):
the most incredible athletes I've ever met and good
people and play six with anincredible team behind me.
I mean, I couldn't have done itwith, without the people that
were supporting me the wholetime.
Yeah.
You know, it's um, well we'llget to the story in just a
minute, but you know, it's, it'sreally interesting.
Oftentimes people will get tothe top like you in, in podcasts
(09:18):
or, or content in the world.
They're guys like Gary v you get, you're Tony Robbins, you're
Jack Welch's.
And they're like, oh, thisperson does all this great
stuff.
Yeah.
But there's usually like 15 or20 other people behind them,
supporting them, helping themexecute and get things done.
So I love the fact that you, yourecognize those folks even, you
know, eight years later, nineyears later, the impact they had
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in your life.
Now how does, how does a wild atheart full of life,
twenty-something go from podunkcedar rapids, Iowa, two six than
the crossfit games?
What's, what's that look like?
How do you get there?
Jenny Labaw (09:58):
I just is just life man.
Like just the people you knowand decisions you make every day
.
You never know where they'regoing to take you.
And I went from Cedar rapids,Iowa to moving home to small
town Colorado and running andgym there where I met these,
well, these people are myclients.
And they met Marcus who was awater skier who lived in
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California.
And I ended up moving out toCalifornia and I work at this
gym that knows what crossfit is.
And I did this competition.
I ended up winning it and Idecided I should train and I
train and, and then I make it.
So how does that happen?
And just you're just living lifeand making decisions day by day,
you know, it's not like it's,and it's a lot of hard work.
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A heck of a lot of hard work.
Kyle Hamer (10:39):
Yeah.
But I mean you've got, I mean,come on, come on Jen.
I mean that it's part of, it'syour passion, but there's a lot
of people that are like, oh, Ithink I could do that.
But you did it like, so,
Jenny Labaw (10:49):
oh, that's what you're asking my dry.
Kyle Hamer (10:51):
Yeah.
Like you did it.
I mean it, where'd it come from?
Like what, what was it aboutcrossfit that had you so curious
that you're like,
Jenny Labaw (11:01):
hmm.
It looked hard.
It looked hard.
It looked like I didn't think Icould do it almost.
You know, like, so I've done alot of things in my life and
crossfit is one thing that I'msuper proud of, but is it the
biggest thing I've done in mylife?
Not even close, right.
And biggest, I don't mean whereeveryone knows about it.
Most of the things that are mybiggest things people don't know
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about, but it's the, it's thechallenge of thinking, hmm, I
really don't know if I can dothis, but I'm sure it's how I'm
going to try and I'm going totry as hard as I can and either
prove myself wrong, prove otherpeople wrong or surprised the
heck out of myself.
I don't know.
Or, or fail, you know what Imean?
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That's, that's also, that's avery likely thing and happens a
lot where you choose these bigfeats and you work your tail off
and you don't quite make it tothe big show.
And it's okay because you learnmore about yourself in the
process.
And that's kind of how I live mynot, not doing, trying not to do
the comfort zone thing, tryingto live as far out of my comfort
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zone as I can.
And that's how cross the happenI think for me.
Kyle Hamer (12:08):
That's awesome.
Well there are a lot of peoplewho have a lot of things that
they wish.
When you think about thedifference between say you and
your choice with crossfit andmaking the decision of I can do
it or I can't do it, or let me,let me push myself to the
limits.
What are practical tips forsomebody who like maybe I can
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give up the bag of chips or Ican't give up the bag of chips
to, to make that life changeincrementally.
Cause it didn't, it didn'thappen right away.
Right.
It wasn't like, hey one minuteyou're, you know, one minute you
meet this water skier, the nextminute you're doing muscle up.
So on ESPN there, there was,there were incremental things
that happen.
How do you, how do you getthere?
Jenny Labaw (12:51):
There are a couple of steps.
There were a couple of steps inbetween.
Um, you know, this is somethingthat I work with my clients all
the time and that I think is aconstant thing that we all have
to do.
And no matter if it's yourtraining for the crossfit games
or you're just trying to make itday by day through your job and
through your life, um, I'm sureyou guys have all heard of Simon
(13:11):
Sinek is knowing your why.
You know, why, why are you doingit?
If your why is not strong enoughor you don't know your why,
you're going to get fried,you're going to get burned out,
you're not going to be able tomake it through those times.
That sucks so bad that youbarely can function, right?
You've got to know why you'redoing it.
And if, if you get to a pointthroughout that process where
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you're trying and you're tryingand you're trying and you know
your why but it just doesn'tfeel right or things are just
not going the way that you wantthem to go and you can't figure
it out and it's time to rethinkyour why.
Maybe your why has changed, youknow, maybe you don't have that
drive to do it anymore.
Maybe you really, whatever yourreason for for doing what you're
doing is your, what is it, howdo they say your reason, your
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reason for changing much.
I can't, I'm going to totallybutcher it.
I'm not even gonna judge this.
Basically you've got to, you gotto know why and you have to be,
have that clear purpose and thatclear vision or at least the
direction for that clear purposeand clear vision to be able to
make it through the hard times.
Kyle Hamer (14:13):
That particular statement and I've heard Simon
Sinek speak and, and I heard hiswife but I don't think I've
really experienced that or feltit would quite like with you.
And maybe it's just cause, causeI know you and I know the way
that you live your life, butwhen I think about people who
have to work through theadjustment of finding their why,
(14:36):
right?
Somebody who was maybe a formerhigh school athlete, they were,
maybe they were the jock or theywere the, you know, they were
the homecoming court, all starathletes and all of the sudden
something happens to them.
Something maybe medically, maybeit's an injury, maybe it's, you
know, it's a pregnancy or adeath, something happens.
(14:57):
Right?
And it changes their course.
Finding that why for folks whoseidentity was wrapped up in a
performance or wrapped up insomething other than really a
passion when it's about egoversus passion, I think it's a
really hard transition forpeople to make.
How have you seen people besuccessful?
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Like what are strategies thatare helping, like better
successful for helping peopleget through that?
Jenny Labaw (15:25):
Yeah.
Um, so I'm going to throw Marcusunder the bus here a little bit
and hopefully maybe he won'tlisten to this too.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But, um, he was a pro waterskier for 19 years and he was
one of the best in the world.
And in, I guess it was seven oreight years ago, he was skiing
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at a local tournament and doinggreat and all of a sudden
something went wrong and youblew his back out and he was
taken from being one of the bestin the world and his sport to
not be able to even stand up asan athlete.
You try to think that youridentity is not in that.
We try to think that I do not, Iam a person, I do not identify
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with just being an athlete.
But when that is taken away fromyou, out of your control, a
piece of you is broken, a pieceof you is lost a piece of you
might even feel a little bitdead.
You know what, you, you're,you're confused.
And so I'm using Marcus as anathlete, right?
Um, but this can happen.
(16:27):
Like you said, there's apregnancy, there's a death, you
get fired.
Whatever it is that you identifya part of you with and that's
taken away from you.
How do you jump back?
You gotta take some time.
You know, I think that's onepeople just jump into the,
what's the next thing?
What's the next thing I can do?
What's the next thing that I cando?
Take some time to reflect on, onw what you just went through
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and, and except that it is outof your control and you can't
control everything in your life.
Like that's a big thing rightthere, right?
But then that's not all you are.
There's so many pieces and partsto every individual.
So then you have to startthinking about what else am I
good at?
What else am I passionate about?
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What else can I bring to thisworld that is going to be an
extreme value.
And once you start putting allthose pieces together and you
find a common ground that isyour why, that intersection of
all of those things, of yourvalue, of your, um, the skills
of your expertise, of yourpassions, that is your, that
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will help you to decide what thenext step is.
I believe,
Kyle Hamer (17:39):
well, I don't think, I don't think it's probably the
probably belief is, is part ofit, but I also think it's
something that you live very,very vivaciously
Jenny Labaw (17:50):
and out loud in both being still enough to
reflect but flexible enough todeal with a lot of uncertainty
and you know, at times thingshappening to you that you can't
control through no fault of yourown.
Right.
Yeah.
You and Marcus started, I keeptalking about Marcus for crying
(18:11):
out loud currently.
I spend a lot of time with thoseguys.
We were talking about thismorning that there's, okay,
there's this thing with humansthat we have to label things,
right?
Like say I'm having a really badmonth of my life and I'm in this
super sad point of my life.
Things are just not going rightand we might label that as
(18:31):
depression or we might labelthat you're having some anxiety
or we might label it assomething.
Whereas we're trying to put atitle on the way that we feel
instead of just feeling it andaccepting that that's just, oh,
it's okay.
Like we're not always going tobe happy.
Things aren't always going to begoing right.
And if they were like, whensuck, because then you'd never
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know that things were alwaysgoing right.
You know, you have to have, youhave to have the bad to have the
good, you have to have this suckto have the glory, like I was
saying.
So I sometimes get frustratedwhen people have to label the
way that they're feeling isinstead of just feeling it and
rolling with it.
And the next step will come.
When you do that, when you'reactually in the moment and
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present and aware of what'shappening.
So you keep talking aboutMarcus, but, but it really is
the person that inspires thehuman spirit.
And in, let me, let me, let mehelp our audience understand.
So you compete in the crossfitgames, you play six.
(19:37):
Right.
Okay.
Why didn't you compete again?
I, yeah, I competed again in2012.
I got regionals and got back tothe crossfit games in 2012 but
halfway through, well, the wholeyear I was battling a pretty
severe neck injury and ended upfinding out that in life past I
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had broken my neck, which I didnot know and I had bulging,
still have bulging c four, five,six.
So that, um, flared up reallybad at the crossfit games that
year, halfway through and I hadto make the hard decision to
withdraw.
I probably could have pushedthrough, but turns out you only
get one neck in your lifetime.
So I tried to hang on to thatone as much as I could and made
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that hard decision.
And then in 2013 I was humpedand this was going to be my
year.
I was going to win.
And the day before the open,which is the first qualifying
rounds.
Um, I was riding my bike homefrom work and I got t-boned by
another cyclist and tried to besuper athletic and jump over my
handlebars and ended up breakingmy foot.
So the day before thecompetition season, I was, I
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wasn't essentially out cause Iwas in a, I was in a boot.
And um, I talked to a friend ofmine, Kelly Strat, who's a big,
big guru in the fitness worldand he, he said, you're not
done.
He was like, you've just got tofigure out how to do it on one
foot.
And I said, your feet, you'reabsolutely right.
That is, you're so right.
So I did the open on one footand did not qualify for the
(21:06):
[inaudible] the games thatyou're on for regionals, but um,
but inspired a heck of a lot ofpeople and how to realize I had
a completely different purposethat season.
My season was not to win.
My season was to inspire people.
That adversity is just there andyou got to figure out a way to
get through it.
So that was 2013 in 2014 theplan was to compete again.
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I got to regionals and I endedup getting eight, but we had
been building a house.
I was working full time buildinga house full time and also
trying to train for the gamesfull time, not a good
combination.
And after that I was prettyfried.
I had to, I just was donetraining by myself and beating
my body up and so I decided tocall it.
(21:48):
So you, you did, you did comeback?
I did.
I did.
You didn't give up, you didn'tlay down until you found out a
different way?
Yeah, totally.
The different why he is verypersonally I think.
Oh yeah.
What you did next was prettyspecial.
(22:09):
What did you do next?
Yeah, well in 2012 after I kindof built that platform with
crossfit.
Marcus is a videographer and heis that Jenny, you have a, you
have the ability to share yourstory.
And at this point in my life,when I was eight years old, I
was diagnosed with epilepsy andthere was a handful of people in
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my life that knew that at thispoint.
So it was very scary at what wasI 31 years old, something like
that to all of a sudden tell theentire world.
But in my world, but I hadepilepsy.
But um, Marcus has created avideo called Jenny ball living
with epilepsy.
I think it's still on youtube.
And he said, if you don't likeit, we don't have to share it.
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If you do, then then we can.
And so he created the video in2012 just before I went to
regionals and I couldn't notshare it.
I was so scared.
I was probably scared, one ofthe scariest things I've ever
done in my entire life.
Right?
Cause there's all these peoplethat are following my healthy
lifestyle and my walks of lifeand my exercises and my workouts
and my nutrition and just, justmy life.
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And so to put that out therewas, I thought people were gonna
just what a Weirdo.
So, but I did it.
And the result wasoverwhelmingly positive.
And people from all walks oflife reached out to me and said,
either I've known you foreverand I had no idea, or I don't
know you, you don't know me, butmy mom has epilepsy, my sister
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has epilepsy, my best friend hasepilepsy, my dad has cancer.
Thank you for showing me that.
I can so encourage him to dothings.
So there was just this awesomeresponse.
And it wasn't until I quitcompeting in 2014 that I had
space and energy to do somethingwith that new part of my life
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that had been opened.
Um, and I was sitting on thecouch watching a documentary
with Marcus called, um, into thewind.
It's Terry Fox.
He's a Canadian who you got towatch it.
I don't even want to spoil thestory, but dude was diagnosed
with osteosarcoma and ended uprunning across Canada for cancer
research in the 80s and when Isaw that we were sitting on the
(24:22):
couch, it was over, the creditswere rolling and I looked at
Marcus and I said, okay, I gottado something bigger.
And in June that year, it was2015 we were in Colorado where
I'm from and we were drivingthrough the mountains and it hit
me like a ton of bricks and Ijust started bawling and I said,
I'm going to, I'm going to runacross Colorado for epilepsy.
And two and a half months later,I found myself on the New Mexico
(24:43):
border of Colorado.
I'm taking off on a 31 dayjourney, running 500 miles over
the Colorado Rockies to theWyoming border.
And it was by far the mostincredible thing I've ever done
in my life to this point,personally, socially, globally,
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spiritually, emotionally,physically, all of it.
Two and a half years prior youwere,
Kyle Hamer (25:11):
you are a closet epileptic.
Jenny Labaw (25:13):
Yup.
Kyle Hamer (25:14):
Right.
You mean you, I knew you, I sawyou all the time.
I had no idea that this was partof who general buy was.
It was, where were you ashamedof it?
Jenny Labaw (25:26):
Um, I sh, I don't know if ashamed is the word.
I mean, there was nothing.
I was afraid people were goingto judge me and I was going to,
um, I dunno.
I was just, I was, I was justafraid that people were going to
think that I was a Weirdo, youknow?
And I, I did totally irrationalthought except for, except for
(25:49):
some people.
Do you know?
So, um,
Kyle Hamer (25:53):
well look, I think, I think from a personal
standpoint, I didn't appreciatewhat epilepsy was and how it
impacted people until you sharedyour story.
Jenny Labaw (26:11):
That makes sense.
That's the whole reason I sharedmy story.
So I'm so glad to hear that.
There was a little boy
Kyle Hamer (26:17):
when I was, uh, sophomore and junior at junior
and senior, I can't remember inhigh school.
And we went to[inaudible] tablerock, Missouri.
Like we'd go skiing and therewas this family that had a
five-year-old four and five yearold boy.
He was a really, really, reallydeep into the autistic.
He was really autistic, wouldn'tconnect.
(26:40):
And I remember his firstepileptic episode and episode
Pepsi as well as being autistic.
And I think seeing that in him,like you get this kind of this,
this fear, this uncertainty,there's this loss of control.
He and I bonded for whatever thereason we, we bonded through his
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autism and when he had hisepileptic episode the first
time, like I really didn't knowwhat to do.
And it was, it was terrifying.
Jenny Labaw (27:08):
[inaudible]
Kyle Hamer (27:09):
but there was still this stigma, even though like is
a sweet boy, there's still thisstigma of absolute ipsy, this
weird, crazy, creepy likecooties type of thing.
And I think you're right.
Like a lot of people would stillbe like, hmm, yeah, I know Jen
can't compete in the crossgames, or no, Jen can't do this
or that because she has thisthing that's gonna prevent her
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from doing it.
Jenny Labaw (27:31):
[inaudible]
Kyle Hamer (27:31):
but when you came out and you showed your story,
it was like, Oh wow, Jen did doall these things.
Not In spite of, but alongsidewith like it was like there,
there was like there was noseparation between the two.
And and watching your story andwatching your run.
Jenny Labaw (27:50):
Okay,
Kyle Hamer (27:51):
man, can you just, you, um, you moved a lot of
people in a short period oftime.
Jenny Labaw (27:59):
Thank you.
That was, you know, I, my momsaid something really cool at
the end of my run that I willnever forget.
She was there on and off.
You know, she had to work so shewas not there the whole time,
but she was in there on and off.
Then she, at the very end of myrun, something very surprising
happened.
I crossed the finish line of the500 miles and Aye, my feet were
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completely annihilated.
My body was, I had lost 14pounds.
I was just, I was, I waswithering away.
My body was done, but mentally Ijust wanted to turn around and
run back.
I didn't want it to be over.
I didn't want, I did, I didn'tthink I could go back to like
normal society.
Like how can I go and deal withmy clients?
I just had the most massivemoments of my life.
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How can I go back to, to real,to real life, quote unquote.
And I would just in t I had totake, I mean I had so many
people at the finish line, I wasso lucky and this is in the
middle of, when I say finishline, middle of nowhere, the
people are with me, use tenttent poles to put out Wyoming
flag on.
There was no flag and it wasjust in the middle of nowhere on
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a dirt road in the ranch.
And there were all these peoplethat showed up and I had to take
20 minutes almost to just sitthere and cry by myself.
And I was in like squatting downand almost a fetal position,
just just lost.
And my mom said to me, she said,Jenny, after what we kind of
collected myself and we had gotin the truck, she said, Jenny,
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what are you running from?
When I told her I wanted to keeprunning, she said, what are you
running from?
And it just, it hit me and I inmy gut and I thought, man, I
don't know, what am I runningaround?
Like this is, you know, and ofcourse we have things, we all
have things in our life that arenot perfect.
So maybe that's part of it, butI didn't want it to be over
because I felt like there's justso many more people that I could
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impact.
So it wasn't running, runningfrom something, it was running
to something like, what else canI do to continue to inspire
others and to continue to getmessages from people telling
them that I've changed theirlife because now they realize
that epilepsy does not controlthem or their diabetes does not
control them or whatever it is.
You know, it was, I realizedfrom that run what I thought I
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was just going to go spread alittle message about epilepsy
was so much bigger than I evercould've met imagined.
And I didn't want that to beover, you know?
So I don't know why I got onthat topic if no idea.
But
Kyle Hamer (30:30):
yeah.
Well, you know, that's reallyinteresting that you, you know,
you talked about wanting to turnaround and running to cause this
or in a run run back acrossthis, the state.
First of all, it sounds likeyour mom's super wise, so she
gets bonus points.
She gets super big bonus pointsfor being super smart lady.
(30:53):
But it sounds like what youexperienced, cause how many days
was it, was it 21 days, 31 dayswith four days in hospitals and
gyms and stuff at the hospital.
The first thing that comes tomind is, is it was a person in
recovery day in a hospital withan id?
Jenny Labaw (31:07):
No, I mean I was doing, I was like[inaudible]
hospitals speaking it.
Kyle Hamer (31:11):
Oh, okay.
Got It.
Yeah.
Um, so 31 days,
Jenny Labaw (31:19):
31 days, 31 days.
Kyle Hamer (31:22):
That transformed you.
Jenny Labaw (31:25):
Yeah.
Kyle Hamer (31:28):
Jenny going in versus Jenny coming out.
What was the big thing youlearned about you during that
time?
Jenny Labaw (31:34):
Okay.
Oh Gosh, there were so manythings.
Um, okay.
You know, one thing that I as anathlete is I try to always be or
try as much as I can to be inthe moment.
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I tried to be present.
I tried to, um, be fully awareof where, what I'm doing, where
I'm doing it, when I'm doing it.
And I realized on my run thatI'd never achieved it.
Until then.
I had always thought that I had,I always thought that I had just
, um, I mean, I shouldn't saynever.
(32:16):
There's probably points likemountain biking.
If you're not present, you'regoing to hurt yourself way back.
But, um, there, there were hoursthat went by that I don't
remember because I was literallyin the moment.
I was so present in what washappening and I could feel all
the fields or not feel any ofthe fields and depending on
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where it was.
And so what was my biggestpersonal takeaway is I think the
reason, personally, that was oneof the most influential times of
my life is because I was reallypresent.
And when you're truly present,you can truly understand who you
are, what you're doing, and whatyour purpose is, what your why
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is.
You feel it.
You are it.
You're not just thinking aboutit.
You are at, and that was, I am sI still struggle to get to that
point.
There's so many more things thathappen, but that was far as
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something that has stuck with mepersonally.
That is it.
Kyle Hamer (33:25):
Ah,
Jenny Labaw (33:27):
okay.
I can't imagine 31 days
Kyle Hamer (33:31):
of being present.
And I don't mean that because ofthe distractions.
And I don't mean that becauseit's like, oh, we'd never do
that.
Jenny Labaw (33:41):
I mean that because then on a micro scale, okay,
Kyle Hamer (33:45):
in 2001, uh, I took an adventure up the, uh, saddle
in the grand Tetons and we wereup there for six days
Jenny Labaw (33:57):
before dies.
Kyle Hamer (33:59):
And the solitude, right, you don't have cell phone
service.
You might've taken a book, butthe winds blow in.
So you can't really read thebook because the pages are
blowing all around and you'rejust there.
And when you're walking up, it'syou, your breath,
Jenny Labaw (34:12):
your pack,
Kyle Hamer (34:13):
some sounds right.
Maybe you hear somebodyhollering at something, but it's
just, it's just silent.
And the, the, the lack ofdistraction or obligation or any
of them.
It just, just trying to thinkabout that amplified at 31 days.
(34:36):
Um, I know what four, four days,five days in the Tetons did for
my soul.
I can't imagine what 31 days didfor years.
Jenny Labaw (34:46):
Yeah.
So it's 110% filled my soul.
And it's not, I don't want youguys to like, it's like I was
totally present for 31 days.
There was a lot of distraction.
It was a lot of pain.
There was a lot of, oh my God, Iwish I was somewhere else right
now.
Everything on.
Um, but yeah, those, thosemoments of truly, truly being
(35:07):
present, there is nothing likethat.
You can't find your why
Kyle Hamer (35:14):
if you're distracted with other things.
Jenny Labaw (35:18):
No, you can't.
And the other, okay, so if you,I don't know how much I probably
have, I haven't even talkedabout not being a master or an
expert on this stuff.
I'm not even pretending to be,but I try to be as present as I
can.
I tried to be as aware as I can.
I try and I'm terrible atmeditating.
My meditating is hiking.
That is how I meditate.
I can not sit and just like,that's not me.
(35:40):
Right.
So one common misconception,which I have been this
misconception, so I can saythis, is that people think about
being present and being justbeing as an meditating, as being
completely clear in the mind,being like, you're not thinking
of it.
That is so wrong.
That's so weird to me at leastbeing present is being aware of
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everything that's coming in andout of your head.
Like you're aware of thethought.
You recognize it, you let it go.
You're aware of the pain in yourfeet, you recognize it, you let
it go.
You're aware of the awesomenessaround you and you take it all
in and you eat it all up, right?
You, you've got to[inaudible]that on an everyday basis.
But I don't know that everyonethat we're listening here is
going to go climb the Tetons orrun across Colorado.
(36:27):
So on an everyday basis, how doyou achieve that?
You take time and that is whatour society is terrible at and I
am pointing my finger straightback at myself is we don't take
time to feel and to be and to beaware and listen to our thoughts
and to feel our thoughts and to,to ask ourselves questions.
(36:51):
We don't, we don't take time todo that because we are
constantly going and striving tobe better.
And you know what?
You're pretty damn good.
Just the way you are.
So stop trying so hard to bebetter.
You're enough like, sorry, I'mgetting fired up.
But this is, it's, it's a, it'ssomething I'm going through and
working through every day andsince I finished my run has been
(37:12):
something that I'm constantlyworking, working through is to
know that we are enough just theway we are and taking time to
realize that and feel all thefields and know all the nos than
you're going to be doing prettygood.
Kyle Hamer (37:27):
Everything that you just said.
I think every human on thisearth needs to hear.
Jenny Labaw (37:37):
It's true.
There's[inaudible], there's somuch out there right now, and
this might even be your podcastof how to optimize your
performance, how to optimizeyour business, how to optimize
your life, how to optimize yourfeelings in your family and your
everything.
We weren't made to be optimal[inaudible] we were made to be
(38:00):
and we were made to fail and wewere made to hurt and we were
made to be happy and we weremade to succeed.
And that roller coaster is whatwe call life.
And that is where it's enough.
And if you don't feel like whatyou're doing is enough, then you
start taking some steps.
But you where you are right noware exactly where you're
supposed to be.
Kyle Hamer (38:22):
And you know the thing that's interesting,
Jenny Labaw (38:25):
right?
Kyle Hamer (38:25):
Somebody who may have heard that just now, we'll
say, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's easy for you to say.
You've had this transformativelife experience.
You like who you are.
I don't like who I am.
Jenny Labaw (38:35):
Okay,
Kyle Hamer (38:35):
okay.
Did sounds to to a degree thatthere was a moment where there
was a part of you that youdidn't necessarily want to
accept
Jenny Labaw (38:43):
or didn't, could tell ya you like, yeah.
And you know what?
This whole game of social media,what's up, don't even get me
started on this, but[inaudible]use this as my social media
channel right now.
I try to be as authentic as Ican be, but you know what?
We're all putting on a show.
You know, we all are.
There are parts of me that Idon't like at all.
(39:05):
There's parts of me that I lookin the mirror and I'm like,
right, I don't like how thatlooks.
Or there's thoughts that gothrough my head or judgements
that I pass that I don't like.
I don't.
And that's also being human.
And that's where I say, you knowyou are enough because we aren't
made to be optimal.
We're made to be human.
And that's exactly that personright now who's thinking, oh
(39:28):
well you have it all.
You're exactly where you want tobe.
No, I'm not.
I'm not at all.
But I'm accepting where I am andI'm going to try to get to where
I want to be.
When it feels right to do it,I'm not going to push it.
You know, I'm not going to dothings that don't feel right or
don't feel authentic.
And that's, that to me is thatto me is life and that is being
(39:51):
present.
And then that's what I learnedfrom my run.
And that's what I've learnedfrom competing in the cross, the
Games.
And that's what I've learnedfrom having epilepsy and every
other trial and tribulation thatwe've had is that you[inaudible]
, you're pretty am good the wayyou are.
Okay.
But there's also things that wecan all improve on.
So it's a hard battle.
(40:12):
You know?
Kyle Hamer (40:16):
Th Th th there's definitely that, that balance,
you know, one of the thingsthat, that I believe firmly in
his is don't get it right.
Get it going.
Yes.
They all have the fail, failhard, fail fast, and fail often
because if you get comfortablefailing,
Jenny Labaw (40:33):
you'll learn to fail forward.
Exactly.
I love that.
A couple things
Kyle Hamer (40:42):
because I know you are a tremendous spokesperson
just in general for forwellness, but probably more so I
would like to help, uh, thefoundations that you care about
related to epilepsy.
How can people get involved inhelping bring additional
awareness to epilepsy or findingtheir best life?
(41:04):
What, what are, what areorganizations that let you know
that, that you inspire them aswell?
Jenny Labaw (41:10):
Nope.
Um, so I've been involved withthe epilepsy foundation of
America, um, both professionallyand personally.
They're a great foundation.
There's also a foundation calledcure.
Um, there it's a epilepsyspecific as well.
Let's see.
You are, um, this is superrandom.
This has nothing to do withepilepsy, but another huge, um,
(41:30):
organization that I love isprotect our winters o w and it's
all not to get into a completelypolitical discussion, but it's
all about climate change andprotecting this one place that
we have to live right now.
Um, so that's another, another,going back to my whole where I
started that nature is, mynature is my therapy.
Nature is my home.
Protect our winters is a greatone.
Kyle Hamer (41:52):
And if somebody wants to to reach out, get in
contact with you, talk to you.
What's the best way to get aholdof the agenda?
Jenny Labaw (41:59):
Um, my website is [inaudible] dot com my email is
very simple.
Jenny at Jenny[inaudible] dotcom okay, please email me and
then Instagram is at Gen Laba.
Then Facebook is genuine,Lubbock.
Kyle Hamer (42:15):
We'll have all those links in the, on the web, on the
blog as well as we'll embed themin the podcast description for
folks.
Jenny Labaw (42:25):
And if you have seriously, if you have like
personal, I'm all about gettingback to like direct messages and
personal messages as often asthey can.
So you have personal stuff youdon't want to put on my own by
big feed, then please reach out.
Personally, I'd love that.
I'd love to hear from you.
Kyle Hamer (42:39):
I, it's really been my pleasure to have you on the
show today.
I'm super honored that you werewilling to share your story and
reminisce a little bit.
Thank you.
Jenny Labaw (42:49):
Thank you so much.
It means the world again,completely honored to all that
are listening.
Kyle Hamer (42:58):
[inaudible] Instagram.
I promise you, she will droptruth bombs like crazy fitness.
You'll be blown away.
But more importantly, I thinkyou'll be encouraged by just
what an incredible human beingshe is.
And that's probably the quickestand easiest way to get ahold of
her.
Thanks for listening to ourspecial episode on people who
inspire the human spirit.
(43:19):
And thank you so much, Jen, forbeing here today.
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