#004 The Fear which Produces Peace and Freedom

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The only path to freedom isliving a surrendered life.
Welcome to the Surrendered SoulPodcast.

Todd (00:26):
So welcome back folks to the surrendered soul podcast and
we are excited for this episodeand what we're going to look
into a little bit this time.
So I'm Zach and I'm Todd.
And for a little bit thisevening, we're going to look
into the fear of God and allthat entails.

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It's a large subject, but we'regoing to spend some time just
visiting about it.
And we mentioned in the previousepisode, and I just want to
stress it that this podcast isjust me and Todd having a
conversation and visiting.
And mostly, we just want to stiryour heart and mind towards

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So with that being said we'llget started.
Todd will do the first parthere.

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So take it away.
Yeah, like you mentioned, thefear of the Lord is A large
topic and we're not going to,but scratch the surface, I think
even at our best shot tonight.
But that being said, I think theimportance of the topic and the
fundamental root of the topicmakes it pertinent and worth our
discussion if there was onearea.

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I think that the church ingeneral, and society for sure.
Is lacking and that is thisprinciple, the fear of the Lord.
And it's a gift that we can askfor.
It's a gift that we need tohave.
And if you look in thescripture, the concept, those
who, the men who had the fear ofthe Lord were rated very highly
in God's sight and in fact, justtwo of them were called the

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friend of God, and that would beAbraham and Moses.
It's very important men who areheroes in God's eyes were
actually men who had great fearof the Lord.
And scriptures talk a lot aboutthe fear of the Lord Philippians
in 2.
12 mentions work out your ownsalvation.
With fear and trembling.

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The well known one in Proverbsis that of the fear of the Lord
is the beginning of wisdom.
And this concept of the fear ofthe Lord being the beginning of
wisdom.
If you think there's the fear ofthe Lord in my little research
that I did showed like over 300references to the fear of the

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Lord in scripture.
So I think this is prettyimportant to God.

Zach (03:44):
So yeah, it must be important.

Todd (03:45):
He spent a lot of time trying to establish it and to
work this principle into thelives of his children.
And the benefits.
I think John Beaver said therewas like over 40, some 41.
I think he said promises tothose who fear the Lord.
And so there's a lot of benefitsto fearing the Lord and
scripture.

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David's Solomon.
Samuel, a lot of prophets spokea lot about the need for the
fear of the Lord in our lives inPsalms 25, 12 through 14.
It says, what is he that fear ofthe Lord him?
Shall he teach in the way thathe shall choose his soul shall

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dwell at ease.
And his seed shall inherit theearth.
The secret of the Lord is withthem that fear him, and he will
show them his covenant.
And they think about thisconcept of God sharing his
secrets to those who fear him.
We don't share secrets with amere acquaintance or a stranger

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going down the street.
We only share our secrets, ourinnermost secrets, with those
who actually are our bestfriends, those who are really
intimate with us.
And that I think is the Lord'sheart in this that he will share
his secrets with those who havecome to fear him and truly
desire to be to be with him.

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An interesting dialogue a littlebit, just to set the foundation
for this.
It was from Abraham and Lot.
Abraham as he was going abouthis day, the Angels of the Lord
or the Lord came to him andsaid, I'm going to, they were
walking along and the Lord madean interesting point question.

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He said, should I hide it frommy friend?
Should I hide this thing, whichI'm going to do from my friend.
And he shared with Abraham, hisplans for Sodom and Gomorrah.
Abraham had enough fear of theLord, and this is very
interesting, but he pushed backagainst it.
He said if there's 50 righteous,the need to get clear down to 10

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righteous.
But the point is he shared, theLord felt comfortable sharing
that with Abraham.
says also that Lot was arighteous man and he lived in
Sodom and yet the Lord burst thedoor open and goes in and drags
them out by the hand and rescuesthem.
But.

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He didn't share his plans.
It was a surprise attack, so tospeak, for Lot.
But for Abraham, he showed himhis plans.
He walked as a friend would.
And both of them were consideredrighteous men, but one God had
an intimacy with.
And I think the fear of the Lordwas the difference between those
two men.
One had fallen out of fear ofthe Lord and did not have fear

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of the Lord.
And he showed in some of hisdecisions, he had more fear of
man than he did the fear of theLord.
Where Abraham Always wasconcerned about the Lord and his
reputation.
So I think I just thought thatwas a very poignant illustration
of how important that is to Godand how God responds to those
who fear him.
And it's an important importantaspect of our lives in Proverbs

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16, six.
It says by mercy and truth,iniquity are purged.
And by the fear of the Lord, Mendepart from evil.
I like this verse.
It caught me by surprise becausewe often think if I love the
Lord enough, I'm going to leave.
I won't sin.
Because I, if I sin, I justdon't love him enough.
It doesn't say that it saysthose who fear the Lord depart
from evil.
So it's the fear of the Lord,not the love of the Lord or

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whatever other attribute.
And I think that love is theroot of the fear, but it says
the fear of the Lord it's, andmercy and truth is what it
purges iniquity from us.
And Jeremiah, he said, fear you,you not me say at the Lord, will
you not tremble at my presence?
That's Jeremiah five 22.
And in Isaiah five 13, he says,sanctify the Lord.

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Of host himself and let him beyour fear and let him be your
dread.
So the prophets and the wise manunderstood to a great degree the
level of fear that we need.
We're supposed to, we shouldhave in our lives.

Zach (08:00):
That last reference is Isaiah 8 13.

Todd (08:03):
What did I say?
I said 513.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.

Zach (08:06):
Yeah.

Todd (08:07):
Isaiah 8 13.
So anyway, so that's abackground.
On, on that.
John Bevere has a wonderful bookout there on this whole topic.
It's called the awe of God, andI don't even know what year he
wrote it, but highly recommendanyone to read it.
Everyone to read it.
But a couple of quotes of his.
It says in here, it says theloss of holy fear opens people's

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hearts and souls to dark counselappearing to be truth when in
reality it leads to sin anddeath.
And I think this is a veryinteresting quote because so
many times you hear it in churchcircles.
the deception that is abundantin our society right now.
we worry about being deceived.
We don't want to be deceived.
And yet we walk

Zach (08:50):
with

Todd (08:50):
people and we see people all around us that are living in
deception, but it says The lossof holy fear opens to dark
counsel and that the darkcounsel appears to be truth.
And so the next quote then is weneed a revival of holy fear for
it continually protects us frombeing fooled.
It keeps our hearts in line withtruth, even when the majority

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have fallen headlong intodeception.
John was pointing out here thatthe protection that we have is
in the fear of the Lord and theloss of the fear of the Lord
opens us up wide open to thatdeception to come in and

Zach (09:27):
For

Todd (09:28):
deception appearing to be truth and as opposed to being
locked in on the truth and notneeding to walk in, in worry or
concern that we're going to befooled.
Because the truth is opened upto us through our fear of the
Lord.
It keeps our hearts in line withtruth.

Zach (09:45):
And the, those are some excellent thoughts.
And yeah, we're later on in thepodcast here, we're going to get
into a lot of different boots onthe ground ways of losing our
fear of the Lord and how we knowif we have them, have it.
Or not, because yeah, I just asyou're talking, I'm having a lot
of questions, but we'll savethose till later on when we

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actually get to the real lifeexamples of this stuff.

Todd (10:12):
another quote from John Bevere said a spirit of pride
and a spirit of religion go handin hand and they strengthen each
other by hiding each other.
Pride keeps a person fromadmitting they became religious
and religion covers up the prideby its spiritual behavior.
And we see that a lot around us.
Where we go through the actions,we go through the religious

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activity, and that becomes ourfocus versus the fear of the
Lord.
And then allowing the activityto flow from that.
So some, a lot of things willlook the same, but it's going to
be from a different point ofreference, from a different
heart.
And I think it's imperative thatwe realize that it's pride as
John mentioned here.

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The pride keeps us fromadmitting.
That we've become religious andour religious covers up our
pride by spiritual activities.
And that's, I've seen it in myown life.
It is such a true statement.
So I guess as we think aboutfear of the Lord and the Bible's
importance that it places uponit, God's importance that he

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places upon it.
Why, I guess the question comesup is why.
Why do we need it?
What are some thinking on why dowe need the fear of the Lord in
our lives?
So we see that it is important.
We see that he places greatimportance on it, but why does
he place importance on it?
What role does it play in mylife?

Zach (11:33):
That's a good question.
Um, Doesn't it come back to thewhole idea that God as the
creator with us realizing who heis and our place in relationship
with him?
And standing in awe of that,because that's really at the

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base of it is realizing who weare in relationship to him.
And then our role and ourcalling in life, walking that
out as a child of his this earthand realizing that we are a
child of the almighty that hascreated everything that owns
everything and.

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Yeah, we're his child and reallyhis hands and feet here on earth
working in his kingdom here.

Todd (12:26):
Yeah, I think that's well said.
And I think one thing that Iprobably should have mentioned a
little bit earlier, but Whenwe're talking about the fear of
the Lord, not to be confusedwith fear as in running away
from the Lord.
The fear of the Lord is actuallya fear of being away from the
Lord.
my communion with Him, thedesire is that we would allow

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Him to do what He needs to do tonot have that communion broken.
So our greatest fear is that wewould be apart from him.
It's not a fear as in, we wouldthink of being a scared of a
spider.
We want to move away from it.
we actually want to move towardshim because our fear is that the
great power, like you mentioned,the creator of heaven and earth,
that same creation power is thesame thing that keeps us.

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And I think that our fear needsto be that we don't ever want to
be out of his presence.
We want to be in his presence.
And so it's a little bitdifficult in our English
language, I think with that termfear of the Lord, but I think
that the concept is that we'renot running from, but we are
running towards and allowing himto draw us towards him if we
have any earthly fear, it's thatwe are Doing something or

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allowing something in our livesthat would separate us from that
presence.
Yeah.
I think about Adam and Eve inthe garden they had the fear of
the Lord in the positive in ahealthy way, the healthy fear of
the Lord before they sinned.
And they walked with God in thecool of the Eve.
I think it was a delight forthem.
They were in a perfectenvironment and they, both of

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them communed very beautifully.
But when sin arrived, it drove awedge and then all of a sudden
God was like, where are you?
And they were hiding and they'reshameful and they were
spiritually, they became dividedfrom God.
And I think that is the lack ofthe fear of the Lord then became
evident in their lives.
And obviously that we're stillcarrying the consequence of that

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today.

Zach (14:22):
but

Todd (14:23):
verse that comes to mind is in Ephesians 5, 25 to 27 in
speaking of one of the, I thinkone of the primary things as to
why we would need the fear ofthe Lord it says, even as Christ
also loved the church and gavehimself for it, that he might
sanctify and cleanse it with thewashing of water by the word,

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that he might present it tohimself, a glorious church, not
having spot or stain.
or wrinkle or any such thing,but that it should be holy and
without blemish.
So we think of the fear of theLord, it says to sanctify and
cleanse it, that He mightsanctify and cleanse it.
It's His work that He sanctifiesand cleanses the church, His
bride.

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And He demands, and He willexpect, you think about the Holy
Father, Finding a bride for hisson.
We want a very beautiful.
We want a very perfect bride forour sons.
And God is no different.
Actually, he made us this way.
And so he is expecting, he canexpect, and he does expect a

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holy and a perfect bride.
The difference is he can makethat bride holy.
We can't make it holy.
And so he is working and wantsto work through the fear of the
Lord,

Zach (15:39):
to

Todd (15:41):
cleanse us to make us that holiness that we can allow
ourselves to be made fit to behis bride.
And I think it's safe to say,that the fear of the Lord is the
engine that drivessanctification.
And that sanctification is thatwork that the Holy Spirit does
in us, constantly working tocleanse us, constantly working

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to take us deeper and to showmore and more of Him, and to
bring us more and more into theimage of Christ.
And I think that, That work ofsanctification is hindered, or
maybe even stopped when we don'thave the fear of the Lord.
When we don't respect, we don'thave enough awe.
We don't have enough reverence.
We don't have enough Diligentgratitude.

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I don't know if there's anotherword for that of God and who he
is and just trust in the Lord.
I think it's very important.
We have to trust him to do thework of sanctification.
Into and surrender that to him,but we'll get more into that a
little bit later but love wouldbe the root of the fear of the
lord and Then out of thatsanctification comes holiness

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and that's what makes us Able tobe part of the bride is his work
of holiness in us throughsanctification But that has to
start with the fear of the lordand the fear of the lord puts
our heart into a position towant and desire that Holy Spirit
to work in us.

Zach (17:04):
I think without the fear of the Lord.
I think we may be able to besaved and start our journey with
a relative shallow fear of theLord, more of fire insurance,
realizing that we need a savior,we need help.
But then it's not going to govery deep without that fear of

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the Lord.
And like you said, it's going tobe the fear of the Lord that
takes us beyond the factor ofGod saving us because he saves
us and that's good.
But then it's the fear of theLord that takes us.
to He's saved us and now we arehis.
And it's that fear of the Lord.
That's going to be, we are hisfor whatever he sees fit

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whenever he sees fit.
which is the lifetime ofsanctification being used by him
in whatever way he sees fit.
And without the fear of theLord, we're going to throw up a
roadblock pretty quick and belike, we're saved.
And we need to do.
We want you to give us a betterlife, Lord, but I'm not
necessarily like ready for youto use me and whatever way fit

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whenever.
And yeah, we'll get into that alittle bit later too, what that
looks like.
But I think that's the biggestthing that the fear of the Lord
is the only thing that takes usinto that deeper relationship
with him.

Todd (18:26):
Yeah.
And I think that's where we'regoing to find the true freedom
from sin.
That's where we're going to findthe true, the changes that we
want in our lives.
Okay.
We say we want, but we're notsurrendered enough to allow him
to do the work.
And that fear of the Lord iswhat opens that door to that
surrender.
And yeah we want the benefitswithout the cost.

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We want the benefits withoutpaying the price.
And yeah and that's, yeah,you're exactly right.
The, we're not really talkingabout salvation as much.
Cause I think there's going tobe a lot of non sinners go to
hell.
It's easy to not quote not sin,but unless you have the fear of
the Lord, you're not going tomake it into heaven.
You did all these things for me,but who are you?

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I don't know you.
Those who walk in the fear ofthe Lord did the same things,
but they did it from a heart ofintimacy and knowledge and
desire for righteousness and fora walk with him.
And I think that is a key thingis that those who walk in the
fear of the Lord are the ones hehas got to know personally.

Zach (19:33):
No, I definitely agree with that.
I'll push back on the idea that,yeah, that there'll be a lot
that don't sin, that, that won'tgo to heaven.
but But there'll be a lot thatdo a lot of good things Yeah
that won't go to heaven.
But that, that those individualsare still, they're living in
sin.

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Yeah, because they don't knowhim, but that, but they will do
a lot of good things and they'lllive a quote, good life as we
see it, but that's not, they'reabsolutely

Todd (20:06):
living in sin.
Yeah.
They've just learned how tomanage the sin and learn how to,

Zach (20:12):
Reduce

Todd (20:12):
the outward manifestations of sin.
But they still are living with aheart full of sin.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Cause they've not allowed him todo the cleansing work in their
lives.
So you are correct.
Yeah.
As we kind of transition nowinto I guess we call it how we
see it.
Yeah.
in a conversation I was havingwith another individual we were
talking about the fear of theLord.
And he's how do we know if.

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We have the fear of the Lord.
And I'm like, that's anexcellent question.
What are some of the indicatorsmaybe personal, but also in
scripture that would show or beindicative of the fact that I
don't have the fear of the Lord,that I'm walking in my own way
maybe doing the right things,but I'm walking in my own way.
Okay.
Yeah.

Zach (20:52):
I'd say we, let's get into some of the indicators in our
lives that we can see.
But before we get into those,we're going to take a break and
then we'll be right back.
Okay.
Sounds good.
one

Todd (21:02):
of indicators that

Zach (21:04):
we don't

Todd (21:06):
have the fear of the Lord I think is that concept of that
I'm not able to And I think thatsin

Zach (21:13):
is in my own life.
I think primarily is the thoughthere is that I'm not able to see
in my own heart Something thatGod would call sin to be sin.
And even if it's very blatantit's a form of deception.
It is deception.
let's say I have an anger issue.
I don't call that sin.
I just call it an anger and Imight blame it on my.

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My dad had anger, my granddadhad anger.
So it's a generational thing.
It's just my personality.
I just happened to blow up at acertain point.
But God calls it sin.
And so when we can't see it,that is a delusion that is
walking in deception.
And then we tend to rise up whensomeone does say actually that's
sin, that's something that needsto be dealt with and we'll
defend it because that's just mypersonality.

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Instead of being willing to behumble and say, you know what,
You're right.
I've got to break this cycle,whatever it is.
I've got to stop it right hereand call it for what it is.
And then in, that whole thing ofnot see the sin that we're not
willing to call it sin, even inother people's lives.
So

Todd (22:13):
somebody might and come and tell us that it is sin, or
we might look at other people'slives and we don't recognize it
as being sin.
And so therefore we don't dealwith it.
We brush it under, minimize it.
So I think that the lack of thefear of the Lord is going to
hide and shield our eyes to whatactually the Lord calls sin.

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And we will to a great degree.
And even if it is pointed out tous, like I said, we don't admit
that it is.
And we'll have a excuse

Zach (22:43):
for it.

Todd (22:45):
And then that's detrimental to ourselves.
But then the other side of thatthen is that I'm not willing to
risk my reputation in callingout sin in another person
either.
So that's another indication ofthe lack of fear because we
don't realize the severity andthe gravity of sin.
Our reputation is bigger thanGod.
So we will have the fear ofsomething in our lives.

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And I think that needs to beestablished that it's either
going to be the fear of God orthe fear of man.
And the fear of man can manifestitself

Zach (23:14):
in an

Todd (23:15):
unlimited amount of ways.
But usually that's me.
My reputation is bigger thanGod's reputation.
If you think about the fear ofGod being putting God on a
pedestal and his reputation bethe most important.
Now, when I lack the fear ofGod, my reputation is the
biggest.
Thing that I have to protect andI will protect it at all costs,
but I'm not willing to risk thatin order to call out sin in

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somebody else's life.
I don't want to, I don't want todisturb that.
I think One of the things that Iwant to bring out is the

Zach (23:43):
fact

Todd (23:44):
that this all these indicators and all this is
gonna, they're all going to beon a sliding

Zach (23:51):
scale

Todd (23:52):
of the lack of the fear of God.
Because I don't think it'ssomething that you either have
or you don't have at all.
It's going to be a lifetime ofsanctification, of cultivating,
and the Lord will show you moreand more of his heart, more and
more of that there will be Thatdidn't used to bother us, that

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maybe he, throughsanctification, is calling us
out of more and more in ourlives.
And we need, so we need to bewilling to continue to take
those So with what you weresaying about sin, I think it if
we find justifying it and incategorizing them, like it's not

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big enough to deal with yes,it's not but it's it's not that
big of a deal because like yousaid, it's a generational thing.
For this individual, for me, todo it would take massive

Zach (24:53):
measures.

Todd (24:54):
We can't justify sin because of what it takes to take
care of it.
I think that, that's and some ofthem, depending on where we yeah

Zach (25:05):
maybe

Todd (25:06):
what some people call big

Zach (25:07):
sins,

Todd (25:08):
that I've heard some people But I think that's part
of the sanctification, Thosethings that we may find
justifying, maybe to our peergroup, and that's why we justify
them, they seem small.
But as we seek and as cultivatethe fear of God, even those

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small sins become big thingsthat have to go.
And as we continue to dig intothose, there, there
sanctification's a it.
But I think that's one thingthat if we find Yeah, like
justifying or not wanting todeal with certain things.

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That's a, yeah, a good That we

Zach (25:54):
should

Todd (25:56):
dive deeper or, yeah, cry out for more, fear of the Lord
and more yeah more holiness inour lives, Yeah.
A hundred percent.
And

Zach (26:04):
I think

Todd (26:05):
the concept and what, at least what I found in my own
life is that I appreciate whatyou mentioned about the concept
of it's annoying and I know itshouldn't be there, but it's not
that big of a Part of what wedo.
So in that justification in ourown minds, we also try to
minimize it in other people'sminds.
Because we don't want them tothink it's a big deal either.
So it's we, there's a, it'salmost like an active

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suppression system that we putout there to get people to think
that it's not a big deal either.
and so we will say things thatare, that are a bit silly on the
surface.
Just to get people to, Thinkless of it as well.
And I, it's a dangerous positionto

Zach (26:45):
be in.

Todd (26:46):
And the next one we have here then is we're unwilling to
allow the prompting of the HolySpirit to direct our lives and
to make fundamental changes init.
And that goes back to thatsanctification point we'll fight
against the Holy Spirit we aretrying to protect ourselves.
We're trying to protect

Zach (27:03):
our reputation.

Todd (27:04):
we will not allow him to do the work that he chooses to
do And the Holy Spirit is agentleman.
He's not going to force his wayinto it, but he is very willing
bring us down to where we wanthim to do it.
that is his mercy, but it's avery difficult path to go

Zach (27:21):
down.

Todd (27:22):
I'm thinking of this and I, I had to think back to our
episode of the conscious andsubconscious mind because the
when the Holy prompts us to dothings we can look at our and if
we would take our

Zach (27:42):
and

Todd (27:42):
how we're living and operating and put it out on one
piece of paper and then God andwrite him out on another piece
of paper and if our lifeactually lines up with what we
would think a son would be ofthe attributes

Zach (28:03):
that are in the Bible.

Todd (28:04):
on the, paper

Zach (28:05):
with God.

Todd (28:06):
If we think about it, we have all the, all his promises.
He created the

Zach (28:11):
world.

Todd (28:14):
set the world in motion

Zach (28:15):
with

Todd (28:16):
incredible accuracy, the word for thousands of years.
Yeah.
Yeah.
With the word.
Yeah he owns everything, he made

Zach (28:23):
everything,

Todd (28:24):
he is omniscient,

Zach (28:28):
and.

Todd (28:30):
everything of what he does, we say he owns the cattle
on a thousand hills and he ownsthe hills and all this stuff
that we say, that nothing'simpossible with God and we have
all these

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and stuff,

Todd (28:46):
and yet am I living that way, that's actually who my
father is or am I living withall these parameters

Zach (28:56):
that

Todd (28:57):
and all these possibilities and possible stuff
when I say that my father isable to do anything and nothing
is and yet I live under that andit's just that inconsistency
that I see in my life too manytimes of it's Hold on.
I'm letting this hold me whenI'm saying that I'm serving God

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and that he's my father.
And it's like thatinconsistency.
It's not something that we'regonna change overnight, but it's
something that when we findthose inconsistencies, or I say
that we find'em when the HolySpirit reveals those
inconsistencies, we need to bewilling to step

Zach (29:38):
into those

Todd (29:40):
and actually start changing stuff.
To where it will line up more

Zach (29:45):
with

Todd (29:47):
as if God was actually our father and we are his son and we
are living in his inheritancebecause I think that's a huge

Zach (29:56):
one.
And

Todd (29:57):
in America, especially for the most part, we're able to
control outcomes of our

Zach (30:02):
lives

Todd (30:03):
and yeah we think we control the outcomes of our
lives and make them pretty good.
But I think.
99 percent of the time we'refalling way short of what he
would have for us if we wouldtruly surrender and, allow him
To control

Zach (30:18):
our lives.
Yeah.

Todd (30:20):
I think that that is, I think the key is he wants so
much better.
He wants to.
Like we are, we're our own worstenemies.
In our effort to control our

Zach (30:34):
we are

Todd (30:35):
throttling the very power of liberty and freedom and
fullness of life and boundlessjoy.
And we're throttling the verything that we say we want.
It's like biting the hand thatfeeds you.
It's it, doesn't make

Zach (30:49):
sense.

Todd (30:51):
But yet that's our natures are just so bent towards self
preservation.
And yet to let go of that ropeand fall into the hands of the
almighty creator, you couldn'tbe in a safer

Zach (31:03):
place,

Todd (31:05):
but we just crave that control.
It's it's so sad, but it's

Zach (31:10):
true.

Todd (31:12):
I was going to say not to belabor it, but I think some of
it goes up

Zach (31:15):
to third

Todd (31:17):
thing you mentioned there as far as our That when the Holy
Spirit prompts us to do those

Zach (31:24):
things,

Todd (31:25):
oftentimes it's our reputation that we're clinging
on to that we don't want toactually take those steps.
Because of a, boils down to alack

Zach (31:33):
trust

Todd (31:35):
of what may and what we may look like and actually
trusting God that he will, yeah,do with it as he sees fit.
Yep.
That's very

Zach (31:44):
true.
next um,

Todd (31:47):
point then is that indicators, the lack of the fear
of God is our withdrawal frombelievers.
not only have we withdrawn fromGod or don't have a desire to
draw close to God, but weactually draw back from his
people from those who arewalking with the fear of the
Lord.
And, if we find ourselves inthat position, then we need to

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do some inventory because thosewho are near to that's an
uncomfortable place for someonewho doesn't fear the Lord.
Those who are fear in the Lordwant to be drawn into him.
And so if I don't have the fearof the Lord in my heart, I'm
going to withdraw from thembecause I don't want the
spotlight of their lives pushedonto my And so I will withdraw

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from that.
And that could look differentfor different people.
It can be

Zach (32:34):
as,

Todd (32:35):
crazy as this sounds, but it could be that I just get busy
in the work of the Lord.
So it looks like I'm close tothe Lord as they are.
Maybe I work harder on a churchproject or I do things that are
spiritual work of the church.
Maybe I preach every Sunday ormaybe I teach Sunday school or
whatever.
The busyness I do is a coverup.

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It's a mask.
For my actual withdrawal itseems counterintuitive, but that
is something that I think thatat least I find in my own life,
it's the tendency is to be busy,to hide the shallowness of

Zach (33:09):
own life.
I

Todd (33:10):
I think that goes back to that quote of John Bevere that
you

Zach (33:13):
earlier

Todd (33:14):
of the religion covering up pride.
I think that's, yeah, that ties

Zach (33:18):
in there.
Yep.

Todd (33:20):
And so a lot of times we find that our worth and our
identity is actually in that ofour busyness instead of finding
our worth and identity in Jesusas we would, if we had the fear
of the Lord.
The lack of it will show up injust our busyness to help

Zach (33:36):
that.

Todd (33:37):
Yeah.
And then the thought

Zach (33:39):
that

Todd (33:40):
my initial response in a given situation, a lot of times
when we're put into a sudden, orI think we discussed this a
little bit before in previouspodcasts, but.
If we're putting into a placewhere we're squeezed a little
bit, the real self comes out andwe will find that our real self
is that of self preservation.

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And that is an indication of thefear of the Lord.
When we're put into a tightspot, how we respond to that.
I recently heard an individualsay that we can't let the sin

Zach (34:11):
them.

Todd (34:12):
And I, and it's not about the sin defining us, but it's
our response to the sin.
And so if our response to thesin, Or the revelation of the
sin is that of self can take itas a red flag that we're not
walking with the fear of theLord.
The fear of the Lord won'trespond with self preservation.

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And I think that is anotherindicator that I'm lacking it.
If my first and initialresponse, Is that a self
preservation?
We may come around and be ableto put a mask over after a bit,
but our initial response showsus who we truly

Zach (34:48):
are.

Todd (34:49):
And then the next one here then is that I trust in my own
understanding.
Scripture tells us to trust theLord with all your heart and
lean not on your ownunderstanding.
So an indication that I am notwalking with the Lord is that
I'm trusting in my ownunderstanding.
It just makes common sense.
And we see this in so manyaspects of our lives.

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In in our daily walk of life, wetrust in our own common sense or
the or just what makes sense forthe moment.
And Instead of taking it to theLord and Lord, what is your will
in this situation?
It just, it makes financial

Zach (35:24):
sense.
It just,

Todd (35:26):
whatever sense we can rectify in our own mind, that is
enough to make us move forwardrather than seeking the Lord's
counsel, rather than saying,Lord, what is it you, how would
you have me proceed on this?
And I think that is somethingthat we have to guard against
just using common sense andmaybe we even use those words
it's an indicator that maybe

Zach (35:46):
need to

Todd (35:48):
go

Zach (35:48):
back and re

Todd (35:50):
assess where my, heart is at and where My fear is.
It is my fear about the worldand what they'll think of me, my
reputation.
Making, maybe it sounds good, abusiness deal it works out on
paper, I'm ignoring the check inmy spirit but it just makes
common sense and there's so manydifferent aspects that can get

Zach (36:09):
but

Todd (36:10):
yeah, I had to think of when you were mentioned on a few
of these points of our identity

Zach (36:17):
in

Todd (36:19):
working for the church or busy work and then, yeah,
leaning on our ownunderstanding.
I think

Zach (36:25):
that's.

Todd (36:27):
A key in the fear of the Lord and sanctification is the

Zach (36:33):
fact

Todd (36:34):
that it's

Zach (36:35):
enough

Todd (36:37):
to just be available and be willing when he calls.
We don't have to be doing

Zach (36:43):
anything.

Todd (36:45):
And I know it's something that I struggled with for years.
is the fact that no, actuallyGod doesn't even need me.
And no, actually I don't have todo anything.
If I'm available and

Zach (36:59):
willing

Todd (37:02):
when he calls, when he's ready to use me that's all that
matters.
And I think it's our humannature.
And for me, it was, yeah,

Zach (37:11):
I,

Todd (37:12):
the and I think it was what you were addressing, but
yeah I wanted to pursue sonaturally that would be through
serving him.
That would be through doing.
That would be, I need to, yeahbe doing stuff for him.
And I we see different places inthe Bible where people, I

Zach (37:32):
think of

Todd (37:34):
Moses on the backside of the desert, too.
If you read through the story ofJoseph, if you read through that
and actually look at thetimeline, he was stuck in prison
for a couple of years therethat, yeah, that

Zach (37:48):
have.

Todd (37:49):
to human nature would have seemed like it was a waste of
time and it was going againsteverything but it's like just
being available and willing idon't need to be proving myself
i don't need to be because godknows our hearts and if we're
willing available and ready whenhe and my personal experience

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yes Suddenly things come up thatwe couldn't have even imagined
or we couldn't have, we wouldn'thave even seen him before
because we were looking so hardand trying to do so much That we
wouldn't have even seen what heactually wanted us to be doing.
So it goes back to beingsurrendered.
Yeah, allowing him to do thepushing and the Another

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indicator I think is that we Arestarting to see this rumblings
of peace at all costs You And wemight even use those words.
It's peace at all costs, becauseif you look in scripture, it
talks a lot about living atpeace, one with another living
in unity.
But I think that if we'rewilling to do peace at all
costs, I don't think that'sscripturally correct.

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I think we need to pursue

Zach (39:01):
As

Todd (39:01):
Jesus has said, but I think it's not at the expense of
overlooking sin We're scared tomake waves because we don't want
to upset somebody by pointingout sin in their lives.
And I think that if that is aconcern of ours, then we're
lacking the fear of the Lord.
The fear of the

Zach (39:19):
is

Todd (39:19):
going to, and we'll get into some of the indicators that
we do have the fear of the Lordhere shortly, but the fear of
the Lord will overcome thatdesire to not hurt that person
in, knowing that they are goingthe wrong direction and need to
be rescued.
And it says some pull up by fireand you grab them out of the

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fire.
The fear of the Lord will driveus to do that, where the lack of

Zach (39:45):
will

Todd (39:46):
Want

Zach (39:47):
to excuse Our

Todd (39:49):
non action by saying I just don't want to hurt them.
I don't want to cause waves.
I want to keep the peace.
And then I think that's a toolof Satan.
He's using it very effectivelyin a lot of churches.
But he can use it in our ownfamilies.
He can use it In our own selves.
And not wanting to address theissue in my life or in my
family's life or in the church,a brother or sister in the I

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think

Zach (40:12):
that

Todd (40:13):
phrase itself, peace at all

Zach (40:16):
and

Todd (40:16):
and the way it's

Zach (40:17):
used

Todd (40:19):
shows very

Zach (40:21):
that

Todd (40:23):
the individual using it or that's doing it doesn't even
know what true peace is.
And that's true.
Because that peace at all cost,

Zach (40:34):
or, and i,

Todd (40:37):
have heard some people say it, but most of the time, peace
at all cost is walked out ratherthan

Zach (40:42):
said.
And it

Todd (40:46):
is acted on, when

Zach (40:50):
sin

Todd (40:50):
is It's, not bringing peace to It's just a matter of,
we mentioned it earlier, justthe unwillingness.
To deal with the sin

Zach (41:05):
mask

Todd (41:05):
compromising and yeah, and masking over it.
So it really doesn't hit.
It's not a truthful phrasesaying peace at all costs
because it's not true peace.
That's a good point.
It's a very fake peace that itbrings and that's trying to be
Yeah, the truth.
Jesus created a lot of waves, ifyou will, overthrowing money

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changers tables and driving thelivestock out of the But it was
all in an effort to direct themto true peace.

Zach (41:35):
Like

Todd (41:36):
His said, my house is a house of

Zach (41:40):
that is peace.

Todd (41:41):
That is, if you can pray in true communion with God,
that's a heart of peace.
So you're exactly right.
That true peace.
It's a peace at all costs is afallacy and a trap of Satan to
give the illusion of peace.
It's like he does in so manyareas of

Zach (41:57):
our life.

Todd (41:59):
Another indicator is that these Things of this world make
sense and I have no issue withparticipating in them if they
aren't inherently wrong.
just wide open and I don't evenknow if we can go down that
road.
But there's so many things inlife that are not inherently

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wrong in and of themselves.

Zach (42:21):
But

Todd (42:24):
participation in them may not be healthy for my spiritual
life.
And if I don't have the fear ofthe Lord, I'm not going to be
sensitive to the danger thosepose for me.
So it may be something you cando, but I can't do because
there's nothing inherently wrongwith it.
But for me, it's a danger.
It's a trap of Satan And maybeit's something that the Lord has
freed me from in the past.

Zach (42:47):
And

Todd (42:47):
His desire and his spirit's desire is for me to
avoid it in the future becauseit has tripped me up in the
past.
but if I don't have the fear ofthe Lord in me, if I don't have
that awe of him and sensitive tohis spirit, I'm not going to see
the warning signs and I'm not,going to be sensitive to his
prodding.
It's no, you can't go there.
There's nothing wrong.
What's wrong with it.
We hear that term a lot.

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What's wrong with it?
And

Zach (43:09):
think,

Todd (43:10):
It's deeper than that, and that, no, there is not about
what's wrong with it but

Zach (43:16):
just

Todd (43:16):
what's it going to do to your soul, and what's it going
to do to your spirit if youparticipate in it.
And if it draws you away fromGod, if it draws you away from
the Lord, then he wants toprotect us from that.
We are his children, we are hischild, we don't want our
children to go play along theshoulder of the road.
Is there anything inherentlywrong with the shoulder of the
road?
No, but it's a dangerous placeto be.

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And it's not the wise be.
we would protect our childrenfrom that.
And he does the same thing forus.
And that shoulder of the roadmay be different for every
single one of us.

Zach (43:45):
But

Todd (43:46):
that is his love for us.
That is his protection.
And we need to have enoughrespect and awe of him to
respect that

Zach (43:53):
and be like, yeah,

Todd (43:55):
I don't, maybe we don't even understand it.
Maybe we don't understand whyit's so dangerous for us, but we
need to in honor of our father.
accept it and submit

Zach (44:05):
to that.

Todd (44:06):
Yeah, I think there could be and like you said, I don't
think we'll go into him on this,but yeah, there could be a lot
of things that could fall

Zach (44:13):
into this,

Todd (44:15):
but I

Zach (44:15):
think

Todd (44:17):
overarching, yeah, instead of the question is of what's
wrong

Zach (44:22):
with it,

Todd (44:25):
but it should

Zach (44:26):
be more

Todd (44:30):
of how is it further in his kingdom or helping it in

Zach (44:34):
way?

Todd (44:36):
Because that's and I've even heard people say that God
wants us to have fun, so it'sokay to have fun as long, like
you said, as long as it's notinherently

Zach (44:45):
wrong.

Todd (44:46):
That's, there again, not necessarily

Zach (44:48):
a

Todd (44:49):
inherently wrong but the simple fact of the matter is, if
our life is with just fun thatreally has no

Zach (44:59):
in it,

Todd (45:00):
And life's too short to spend much time on just fun that
really has no point.
There is, yeah, there is alwaysrelationships yeah we can live
our life very and it definitelyshouldn't be a drudgery thing.
And I think too many times theAmerican Christian we get that

(45:24):
in our head.
That we need to be able to goout and push the line and have
fun.
And it's just, yeah, it's notnecessary.
And I think, yeah, it's one ofthose things that it's a lack of
the fear of the Lord realizingthat no, everything about our
lives should be for Him.
And, that is where the true joycomes in.

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We often think we're missing outsomehow by not pushing the lines
or living as close to the edgeas we can, but true joy, true
fulfillment, true happiness.
Is away from that is in hiscamp.
Both feet fully locked on him.
And it's Satan's tinsel, hisflashing lights and his is to

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pull us back away from that.
And I think that needs to berecognized for what it is.
It is tinsel, it is empty.
There is a pleasure to sin.
There is a, an allure to sin.
But If anybody who has dabbledin it to any depth of degree
realizes that it's hollow, it'sa shell.
There's nothing substantialbehind it.

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It's a facade.
It's a mask.
And so God is calling us.
He's no, actually, we give youthe real thing.
We discussed this a little bitearlier, today, but it's almost
like having two boards.
they both look like Oak, but oneof them is real Oak, solid Oak.
And the other one has a.
Veneer on top of it from adistance.

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They may look both exactly thesame and look real.
But once you bore down and getinto them, you realize, you know
what?
This is just a facade.
It's just shallow.
There's nothing to it.
And yet the real one you canbore all the way down and it's
solid oak all the way as deep asyou want to go.
And that's what God's callingus.
It's why you, why are yousatisfied with being a veneer or

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having this facade when I cangive you the real thing, you can
be the solid oak.
And that's what he can workwith.
That's who he wants to workwith.
Because then as he pours intous, we become more authentic and
more real and more.
Sold out to him and he can pourinto us his fullness of joy, his
fullness of freedom that hedesires for our lives.

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And we don't have to deal withjust the emptiness in the
shallow that the devil wants.
He loves that.
And we have for so many yearsbeen comfortable with that.
I look like good solid oak.
I know I'm not, but nobody elseknows that in

Zach (47:44):
minds.
But

Todd (47:45):
this point, I think we've been on the downer side here a
little bit, but I'm excited toget into the second portion of
this.
What are some indications thatwe have and possess the fear of
the Lord?
This is almost like the positiveand it's gonna maybe bounce a
little bit it.
It is, but I want to hit we hadone more point there in the lack
of the fear of the Lord.
Yeah.
Okay.

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That want to hit that, theunwillingness to cause
discomfort in fellow believersin order that we might deliver
them from That, one is huge onboth sides as far as if I'm the
or if I'm called.

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To call a brother out.
Cause, cause both

Zach (48:29):
of them

Todd (48:30):
If I see Am I supposed to, go to a No matter what?
Even if Pretty sure he's notgonna accept it Or wanna

Zach (48:41):
it?

Todd (48:42):
Or, Yeah, or if it's a second on something?
hate to use the word worth it,but decide if it's worth it.
If we go to a brother would thisnot be under the auspice

Zach (48:54):
of

Todd (48:55):
the this is under the heading of lack of the fear of
the Lord.
So you're going to have allkinds of excuses why not to go.
So if the Lord is prompting youto go, this is going to be a
pushback against that prompt.
But if you're walking in thefear of the Lord and he does
prompt you, Then

Zach (49:12):
be like,

Todd (49:13):
I don't know.
I'll go.
At that point it doesn't matterbecause the Lord may be working
something on the other side ofthat you have no clue about.
And John Bevere actually saidthis in his book.
And I thought it was veryinteresting.
But there may be times whenyou'll say you may quote a
scripture that makes zero senseto you.
Why in the world?
But it was exactly what

Zach (49:32):
person needs.

Todd (49:33):
And you, or you may say something and they're like, and
you don't even know why you

Zach (49:36):
it, but

Todd (49:38):
it spoke to their heart exactly where they need to be.
And that's the Holy Spirit.
That's how he works.
Cause he sees the other side.
All we see is our owntrepidation, our own, what will
you think of me?
we're trying to, surmise andpredict the outcome of the
scenario of the meeting versussurrendering that and

Zach (49:55):
be like,

Todd (49:56):
I don't know what the Holy Spirit reason for it.
But this is what I want to say,or it needs to be said or
whatever it might be

Zach (50:04):
I if

Todd (50:05):
we lack the fear of the Lord, we're not even going

Zach (50:07):
win.
Be willing.

Todd (50:09):
We're going to push back against that and be like, no,
what if he doesn't accept me?
Or what if he doesn't have thefear of the Lord?
He's not going to, he's going tothink I'm an idiot.
Might ruin our relationshipforever.
We're going to have all thesethings in our head, but I think
if we, as we surrender that tothe Lord and

Zach (50:23):
Lord,

Todd (50:25):
okay, I'm taking this because I don't know, stop I
think that is allowing the fearof the Lord to work through us
and just surrendering it to Him.

Zach (50:32):
And I think

Todd (50:34):
prayer is probably, I don't know what your no, I
think, yeah, I

Zach (50:38):
that's

Todd (50:39):
That's huge.
And yeah, I think that's one ofthe biggest things.
Yeah, we have to surrender theoutcome before we even take the

Zach (50:46):
step.

Todd (50:47):
And yeah, a lot of prayer to make sure that we're going in
the right reason, the right,yeah, motive and everything.
And I

Zach (50:55):
think,

Todd (50:57):
I say the right motive,

Zach (50:59):
or

Todd (50:59):
the only motive

Zach (51:02):
should

Todd (51:02):
be surrender to whatever it is.

Zach (51:06):
Because,

Todd (51:07):
we always think it's right to say that, the is for
reconciliation, if it'ssomething between me and With me
and them and

Zach (51:19):
God,

Todd (51:22):
But, which that, that's the overall motive, but we
really don't know the path

Zach (51:29):
to that.

Todd (51:30):
Oftentimes when we go, our interaction we want to go
thinking that our interaction isgoing to be the one

Zach (51:37):
does

Todd (51:39):
When it may take a

Zach (51:41):
of them.

Todd (51:43):
it may, yeah and we may just be one of the links in the
through that reconciliation orthrough that yeah, bringing that

Zach (51:53):
around.

Todd (51:54):
So really the we have to surrender the outcome rather
than go with the motivation Of acertain outcome.
Because like you said, really

Zach (52:05):
the

Todd (52:06):
reason that we're or what God has planned for the we
really don't know a lot oftimes.
And I think

Zach (52:15):
probably

Todd (52:15):
oftentimes, at least for me, the biggest

Zach (52:17):
hurdle

Todd (52:19):
is because I can't a good outcome or I can't where it
should go.
So therefore, I just want tostep back because I, it seems
like the wrong thing to do, orit seems like it's only going to
cause more

Zach (52:34):
than good

Todd (52:36):
when instead of just surrendering it.
the simple fact is what I

Zach (52:42):
see

Todd (52:42):
is And the Holy Spirit's prompted me to do something.
So really beyond that

Zach (52:49):
is.

Todd (52:51):
really up to him to do his work.
Yeah, I think that's exactlyright.
I think there's another littletweak to that though.
It may be that he's calling us

Zach (53:00):
us.

Todd (53:01):
So we may, that meeting may have very little to do with
the person we're going to.
They may not be moved by thatwhole thing, but it may be the
Holy Spirit just saying, are youwilling?
It may be a test in my side.
It's like the Holy Spirit saysno I know he wasn't going to
change, but I wanted to see ifyou'd be willing to obey.
Yeah.
And

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so

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surrendering the outcome allows for it.
It could be all about him tryingto do a work in my heart and
maybe I'm disappointed orwhatever expectations I had for
the meeting.
But God was like, no, this wasabout me working in you.
And so there's a scripture thattalks about when you come to the
altar and you, remember therethat you have an have a problem
with your brother, you leaveyour gift there and you go and

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you make that right.
And then you come back and youoffer your gift.
I think the immediacy of it.
It's no, if the Holy spirit isprompting

Zach (53:46):
you,

Todd (53:47):
he wants let's get her done.
And it may be just that it maybe that person needs it at that
very moment, or it may be thatyou need it at that very moment.
But I think surrendering thatand realizing, you know what,
God, I don't know.
And surrendering that theunknown to

Zach (54:01):
him

Todd (54:01):
and.
Yeah it's tough.

Zach (54:03):
Yeah.

Todd (54:05):
Okay.
Very good.

Zach (54:07):
Yeah.

Todd (54:07):
So now what's some indicators that we that we have
the fear of the Lord on the morepositive side here.
And I think the first one wehave here is that we hold the
reputation of God higher thananything.
there was a story in the oldTestament.
I think it was in Numbers whereGod had told the children of
Israel not to take wives fromnations.

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and there was a man who did takea woman and they were in the act
of adultery and it was known inthe And Phinehas, I think it was
his name.
He was a young man.
He was strong.
He grabs a sword and he runsinto the tent and he stabs them.
it makes a comment in there thatGod was very well pleased with

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him because Was protecting Andhonoring God's name.
And that I think is the fear ofthe Lord.
That is like inaction in a dailywalk of life.
Do we honor God's reputation ishis name first and foremost.
It's it doesn't matter whatseems right.

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It doesn't matter what.
Is common sense is his namehonor and glorified.
And if there's anything thatwould tarnish his name, and
that's where you see Mosespushing back when God wanted to
eradicate the children ofIsrael, it was God's name that
Moses said, what will the othernations think of your name?
And then God repented of thatand be like, yeah.

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So we're not going to wipe themout.
It had been easy for Moses to belike yeah.
Wipe them out.
You said you're going to start anew nation with me.
Cool.
What's there to lose?
Promotion.
But that wasn't his goal.
fear of the Lord drove him toput God's name above everything.
And it doesn't matter whatyou're going to do with me.
he says, if you're going to takethem out, You're gonna have to
go through me I'm not walkingwithout you.

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And I just think that heart iswhat God's calling us to his
name.
It has to be preeminent.
And to us, we place a greatervalue on God's reputation and
surrender our reputation to him,allowing him to have all the
honor, allowing him, even if Ilook the most evil person on the

Zach (56:13):
If

Todd (56:13):
I'm honoring and glorifying him, it doesn't
matter.
It's all good.

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So

Todd (56:18):
and then counter to some of the other points that we had
on the lack of the fear of theLord, would be the opposite of
that would be indicators of thefear of the Lord.
We see God as our father andwe're willing to surrender the
outcome of all things to him.
Surrender our, meetings,surrender our podcast surrender,
whatever that looks like.
To his glory and to his honorand let him defend his name.

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We defend his name.
His name will be honored.
His name will be glorified.
And he loves it when hischildren are willing to stand up
for that, even at disintegrationof their own reputation,

Zach (56:53):
allowing I

Todd (56:55):
must decrease, but he must increase to overrule things in
our

Zach (57:00):
And

Todd (57:00):
then one of the big litmus tests on whether we have the
fear of the Lord is I'm willingto obey him.
Even if I don't understand itand neither does anyone else.
I think about the story ofAbraham.
if I stood up and said God toldme I need to go sacrifice my
firstborn son tomorrow morning,everybody would be like, there's
no way God would ask you of thatand they would say that I was
delusional and that I was, in

Zach (57:22):
but

Todd (57:24):
but that isn't what happened with Abraham.
The fear of the Lord drove himto obey no matter

Zach (57:30):
what.

Todd (57:32):
Didn't matter if he didn't it, but his trust was in the
Lord.
And it's God, I know you're agood God.
I know you're a good father.
And you have a reason for makingme walk through this.
that is walking in the fear ofthe Lord, instant obedience

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without

Todd (57:49):
worrying about what everybody was going to think

Zach (57:50):
about it.
Yeah.

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And I'm sitting here thinking about that.
Like

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the, easy

Todd (57:56):
to say a lot of this stuff.
Yes.
But to actually walk it walk itout and get to a point that his
reputation, it's above ours andhis values and is the only thing
we promote is amazing.
and it hit, it's a journey quitehonestly a rigorous journey To

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even get started.
We'll never finish.
It's a but even to get in thereto where you can look back and
start seeing the journey

Zach (58:33):
is,

Todd (58:34):
totally, I don't know.
It's easy to say but to actuallythink of God and his reputation
as something that, that we'redefending or we're surrendering
to.
A lot of times we think, atleast for me, I always think of
like the truths like we'redefending truth itself.

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So we're trying to convincesomebody that no this is

Zach (59:00):
More

Todd (59:01):
so than like which God is truth.
So in a way it's the same, but Ithink it's a little bit
different in the fact, yeah thatit's it's his reputation, his
kingdom that we

Zach (59:15):
Really

Todd (59:16):
that we're through sanctification.
We're getting to a point that'swho we are.
That's who we represent.
That's the badge that we wear.
That's the uniform that we Lookat, whether it's sports teams or
the military or whatever, we see'em and we call their part of
the Navy.
We don't we don't know who theirname is what their name is.
Or who they are.

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But they're part of the Navy andthat's where we, that's where
the journey of sanctification is

Zach (59:42):
us

Todd (59:43):
to where when people see

Zach (59:45):
us

Todd (59:46):
that's what they see, that's what they know.
And that's what, has challengedme a lot

Zach (59:54):
of

Todd (59:54):
like in America we live, there's a lot of quote, good
people and all this

Zach (59:59):
stuff.

Todd (01:00:01):
But do I stick out?
Am I

Zach (01:00:03):
different?

Todd (01:00:04):
to just anybody I meet on a daily

Zach (01:00:06):
basis

Todd (01:00:07):
as a child of God when I'm out there doing business on a
daily

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So the question is.

Todd (01:00:14):
Do they see anything different from me versus a good

Zach (01:00:18):
person?
right?

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It's challenging for me to, yeah, continue to grow,
continue to dive deeper on thatbecause I feel there, there
should be differences.
People will know.
There will be differences.
Yeah.
If we are truly his And trulyhis daughter, truly his child,
there will be differences.
It will bring forth the fruit ofthe spirit in our lives.

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And the fruit of the spirit iscontrary to everything else the
world gives.
So the real fruit will win.
The real food will stick outeven amongst all the plastic
fruit out there.
And I think that is one of thepromises.
And that's one of the excitingthings about walking in the fear
of the Lord is that his spiritwill produce that fruit in our
lives.
And we can be delighted in that.

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No I think that's very And thatis a great segue into the next
point here is

Zach (01:01:08):
that

Todd (01:01:10):
we have a deeper And clear understanding of the cost of
sin.
We have a clear understandingand a deeper appreciation for

Zach (01:01:20):
what

Todd (01:01:22):
sin costs.
And therefore we are willing todo whatever is necessary

Zach (01:01:27):
for

Todd (01:01:28):
the freedom that walking in the spirit has given us.
We will do whatever is necessaryand we're willing to do whatever
is necessary that the HolySpirit calls us to

Zach (01:01:37):
to

Todd (01:01:38):
help others experience that same freedom.
And if I see you bound up in asin.
That I have been freed from.
Like my hearts desire is for youto experience that same freedom.
It's like you too can break thechains that bind you.
And I think that is anindication of the fear of the
Lord.
When we have that hurt for thosewho are bound up in

Zach (01:02:00):
our

Todd (01:02:01):
heart longs for them to walk in freedom.
And they maybe see it in ourlives, but they don't think it's
possible for themselves.
The devil has them in delusionand God is calling

Zach (01:02:10):
And,

Todd (01:02:11):
and maybe He'll use us, choose to use us, to be like, I
freed you

Zach (01:02:14):
it.

Todd (01:02:15):
Use what I've shown you to help them.
And I think that obviously it'sHim that has to still set them
free, but we can walk alongsideof them and help them bring it
to the cross and drop it there.
That is, I think, One of thepleasures of walking in the fear
of

Zach (01:02:32):
the Lord.

Todd (01:02:34):
And then another indication, like if we see
manifested sin in someone's life

Zach (01:02:39):
We,

Todd (01:02:41):
I often use the anger.
I don't know why I always pickon that sin, but anger.
is often manifested itself, butthe anger is not the root of the
sin.
The root of anger would be prideor bitterness.
and bitterness has a root ofpride as well.
And so as we walk in the fear ofthe Lord, it's yes, I know
you're trying to control thissin in your life.

Zach (01:03:02):
but

Todd (01:03:02):
Let's go back here.
And I've had that in my ownlife.
It's I show up with a manifestedsin.
And I think this is if I couldjust overcome this, then I'll be
fine.
And those who are much moremature than me pointed out, it
was like, yeah, let's not evendeal with that.
Let's deal with this.
Let's cut this off at the root.
The fruit will fall away.
And my whole focus was on thefruit.

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And so that is a sign of thosewho fear the Lord is an
indicator is when we can see, Iunderstand that this is a
problem in your life, but thisis actually what we need to
focus on.

Zach (01:03:35):
it's that

Todd (01:03:37):
fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.
And the fear of the Lord willshow the root of evil in our
lives.
I'll see it in my own life a lotsooner.
I'm willing to accept it when itis pointed out in my life, but
I'm also willing to walk into itwith somebody else and help them
to see that, the root needs tobe dealt with.

Zach (01:03:54):
And

Todd (01:03:54):
I think this whole thing of the fear of the Lord.

Zach (01:03:58):
think if

Todd (01:04:01):
we're truly striving after

Zach (01:04:02):
it,

Todd (01:04:03):
I don't think it'll take real long to start seeing a
journey like I've heardChristians say that it seems
like they've plateaued off orthere's like

Zach (01:04:14):
they've,

Todd (01:04:16):
yeah, they aren't, they don't see a lot of growth or
change.
And it seems like that's onething with the, two things you
mentioned there is seeing sinand the cost of it.

Zach (01:04:27):
And.

Todd (01:04:29):
and seeing the root of it, I think we will start seeing
more and more in our own

Zach (01:04:37):
Oh,

Todd (01:04:37):
wow, this is something I've did for that actually has
to go.
this is something that I've beenthis is why I've been doing it.
this is why it's been a strugglefor so many years because I
haven't surrendered or face theroot of it.
Why I'm doing it.

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So I think, that's somethingthat's for, for me is it's going
to be an ongoing thing of alwaysbeing open to, seeing and
realizing more deeply the of mysin and actually what it's doing
to my savior.

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and actually being

Zach (01:05:21):
to

Todd (01:05:21):
continue to

Zach (01:05:23):
down that.

Todd (01:05:24):
Not ever, think that we've, arrived.
And I nobody ever admits thatthey have arrived, but I think
subconsciously we can get there.
Like we, we'd use the termmountaintops and valleys and
stuff.
And it seems we get on amountaintop or we come through.
something and we gain

Zach (01:05:45):
victory,

Todd (01:05:46):
but we need to continue that journey and not get
comfortable, but where we are,but that there is always more
that we can weed out and becomemore more holy and more fear of
the Lord in us to move forward.
Yeah, absolutely.
Devil wants us to find a comfortspot and just rest in that.
and the Holy Spirit will alwaystry to show us more of himself.

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And even if it's not sin, hestill wants to mold us and make
us, pull us deeper into him.
New revelation, new insight, newvision, removing the veil from

Zach (01:06:19):
eyes.

Todd (01:06:20):
Next one we have here, which I think is interesting but
we're not at all disturbed bycurrent events.
And often we get a tingle ofexcitement, the thought of the
future.
This is very interesting to mebecause I think that we talked
about true peace earlier

Zach (01:06:35):
and

Todd (01:06:36):
the one of the indicators of the fear of the Lord is that
we have a true peace aboutwhat's going on.
It's like being anchored andit's hard to describe, but I can
honestly say I've experiencedit.
I do experience it because thestorm rages around you.
And yet it doesn't move you.
And it's it's indescribable.
And scripture actually talksabout a peace that passes

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understanding because it reallydoesn't make sense to the human
mind.
It's like, how can these thingsnot get you in angst and worked
up?
And the current events, Aschaotic as it is and as crazy as
it is and the darkest it'sgetting to be, I think the
darkness is getting darker, butthe light is getting lighter.
And I think that he says thathe's going to send the comforter
and we allow that Holy Spirit inus he brings a peace and we

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actually get excited becausethis is the birthing pains of
his return.
And so we get excited withanticipation of his return and
those who don't have the fear ofthe Lord will

Zach (01:07:30):
the

Todd (01:07:31):
the current events.
But if you fear the Lord, youdon't fear the current events
and you don't fear what'scoming.
You don't fear the future.
You anticipate the future.
You look forward to the futureand it's come Lord Jesus,

Zach (01:07:42):
come.

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And you can't say that if you don't have the fear of the
Lord.
So I think a strong indicatorthat you have this fear of the
Lord is it's not a conjured upexcitement, but it is a piece,
it is a tingle of excitementthat

Zach (01:07:54):
is

Todd (01:07:55):
He's coming, he's coming.
And I think that is it's anamazing transformation because
that is not what you get fromthe world.
That is not what you're going toget from And I think along with

Zach (01:08:06):
that,

Todd (01:08:06):
We can get excited about his

Zach (01:08:10):
Yes.

Todd (01:08:11):
But I think, I don't know, maybe more than that, we should
just be excited about hiskingdom here on

Zach (01:08:17):
Earth.

Todd (01:08:18):
and as it's being manifested and grown and
revealed more, the

Zach (01:08:25):
The

Todd (01:08:25):
the world gets darker around

Zach (01:08:28):
the

Todd (01:08:29):
more his is showing up and showing stronger and stronger.
it's okay to anticipate hisreturn, but we need to embrace
the journey to get there.
That's true.
We don't need to try

Zach (01:08:43):
just

Todd (01:08:44):
white knuckle it and hang on until he returns, but we can
actually have joy in thejourney.
Yeah.
Have joy in the journey.
And I think that's somethingthat as we dive deeper and we
will realize, and we won't getthe joy out of the, And I say
this kind of careful but out ofquote, religious moves that

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society makes those will bring

Zach (01:09:13):
us,

Todd (01:09:15):
at least for myself, less joy because we know it's not the

Zach (01:09:19):
thing.

Todd (01:09:20):
We know that it's a, that it's

Zach (01:09:22):
fake

Todd (01:09:24):
Christianity, so

Zach (01:09:25):
speak.

Todd (01:09:26):
That, it hits a facade that's put out there.
And it's not his bride moving,but it's just political in the
Christian sphere to try to getInfluence And And those will
mean less and less when weactually realize what, what's
really going on.

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Really going on.
And I think, that's true.
And then the there's also goingto be welling up

Zach (01:09:53):
us.

Todd (01:09:54):
It may be more of a or a hunger for others to see

Zach (01:10:00):
that

Todd (01:10:01):
joy and to walk in that, like our desire for them to be
rescued, I think will becomestronger and stronger as well as
we get closer

Zach (01:10:08):
to the end.
Mm-Hmm.

Todd (01:10:09):
And then the next thing here is that Those who have the
fear of the Lord will walk ingratitude of his mercy.
They will walk with a and a everpresent, we will not forget what
our sin cost heaven.
So the mercy of the Lord, Ithink was going to be really big
in our lives.
At least that's been myexperience is that is as I get

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more and more fear of the Lord,it's I don't know, I've heard it
said that there's there'sattributes of Jesus.
That are big to each of us.
And some people is his love isjust overwhelming to them, for
me, it's his mercy and what mysin has cost him.
Heaven is big in my mind.
And so I think that is part ofthe fear of the Lord is keeping

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what it actually cost him andyet he had mercy.
And I think that gratitude forthat walking in gratitude, the
more we have the fear of theLord, the more gratitude we feel
for him.
realization of that cost isnever going to go away.
It's going to become bigger Andas with the weight of that
weighs upon us, our hearts arelifted

Zach (01:11:16):
gratitude.

Todd (01:11:17):
If we see that waning, we need to be concerned about where
the fear of the Lord is going inour life.
We start taking some of thosethings for moving on through
here then is another big one iswe see our desires changing.
As we have the fear of the Lordin our lives, More and more we
start loving what Jesus lovesand more and more we hate what

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he hates.
And that sounds like a bumpersticker almost but I can testify
that it is a true thing.
it says he will give us thedesires of our heart, but it's
as he tunes our hearts to hisdesires, that what I desire is
exactly in line with what hedesires and he's, Thrilled to be
able to give us those desires.
Because now they're in alignmentand as we walk in the fear of

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the Lord, we will see more andmore.
I give my evil desires to himand he replaces with his holy
desires and the things of thislife, the things of this world
will grow dimmer and the thingsof his heavenly kingdom will
grow brighter and more desirableto us.
And so the tinsel, this world

Zach (01:12:18):
starts.
Looking

Todd (01:12:20):
the fake that it is instead of looking so real that
we will be able to see throughthe veneer.
from across the room, we couldpick out the real from the fake.
And that is his working in ourlives.
So that, that veneer drawn backand were made real and

Zach (01:12:35):
authentic.

Todd (01:12:37):
And then as

Zach (01:12:37):
we

Todd (01:12:38):
walk further into that, then the work of the Holy Spirit
we welcome that work into it.
We've already talked a lot aboutsanctification but we actually
welcome that work in our lives.
And it's not

Zach (01:12:50):
that

Todd (01:12:51):
like we want it.
but it's, we know it's going tobe painful.
We know it's going to hurt.
We know that, but we know thatis what we need.
And we welcome that pain.
We welcome that discomfort.
We welcome the of the valleybecause we know that is
conforming us more and more toJesus.
And that I think comes back tothe fear of the Lord, putting

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his name above all names,putting his name and reputation
above all reputations.
I want to be conformed into hisspirit and let the mind that was
in Christ Jesus be in my mind.
Let my mind be replaced with hismind and let my nature be
replaced with his nature.
That has to be our goal andconstant And then as we think
about being conformed to thatone of the things that the fear

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of the Lord, and this is a toughone is that we're willing to
allow that no matter what thecost and no matter who the
messenger is.
This is a tough one because somany times I want to push back
on the messenger.
If you come to me and say I seethis in your life, the fear of
the Lord would be like,

Zach (01:13:54):
me.

Todd (01:13:56):
I want to be conformed to his image.
Thank you for showing me.
Thank you for that.
Where if I lack the fear of theLord, I'm going to to be like
who are you to talk to me likethat?
And I think that is anindicator, big red flag.
When we are more concerned aboutwhat the condition of the
messenger's heart is than whathe's pointing out in my life.
If it's true in my life, I needto take it to the cross.

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And if the Lord's will that hewalks it with me to the cross,

Zach (01:14:20):
then that's

Todd (01:14:21):
well and good and all the better.
And the Lord his issues,whatever he may have on his own
time that's between him and theLord.
But if the Lord is using him,Lord used Nebuchadnezzar, he
used Pharaoh, he used a lot ofdifferent evil that to correct
his people

Zach (01:14:38):
yeah, along with that, I think, um, another thing with
the whole messenger, regardlessof who it is,

Todd (01:14:47):
anytime something's brought

Zach (01:14:48):
to my attention,

Todd (01:14:51):
it's human

Zach (01:14:52):
nature,

Todd (01:14:54):
and something that, that I have to struggle with
immediately.
like What did I do?
Why did they

Zach (01:14:59):
bring it up,

Todd (01:15:02):
Instead of immediately going God, what do you have me
to learn in this?
like regardless of what it is,regardless, like immediately go
to that.
What can I learn

Zach (01:15:16):
through this?

Todd (01:15:17):
Not how bad is it?
Does it really deserve this?
Is it really that bad?
Or did, did I have an excuse fordoing what I did or

Zach (01:15:26):
whatever.

Todd (01:15:27):
which it kind of goes back to the self defense thing, but,
but just in, in any area oflife.
When, when you're approached

Zach (01:15:35):
about something

Todd (01:15:37):
of anything,

Zach (01:15:38):
just

Todd (01:15:40):
accept whatever it is and just how can I learn through
this?
What does God have for me inthis?
Regardless of, of That's a toughpill to swallow.
It's really tough to swallow,but really easy to say a whole,
Hard, hard to live out.
So, And, and that leads us rightinto the next thing then, and,

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and that is keeping a tight loopa known sin and repentance.
Uh, you can't hardly have adiscussion about the fear of the
Lord and not bring up repentance

Zach (01:16:12):
because

Todd (01:16:13):
If the fear of the Lord is present in our lives, when the
fear of the Lord is present inour lives.
Repentance is going to be awalk, a daily walk.
Um, and there's going to be avery tight loop.
However, the Lord reveals thatsin in my life or reveals an
area.
And we use this word sin a lot,but I want to also bring into

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that an area that he just wantsto go deeper with.
We need to repent for that.
Lord, I have allowed that in mylife.
and so repentance is more thanjust for sin.
It's also for.
Not walking as deep as he wantsus And maybe it's an area of our
life that we felt like wasperfectly fine.
And he's pointing out that if wecould eliminate that, or if we

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can change that, then you couldwalk closer to me and we could
have a tighter communion.
And that's what I want for you.
We repent and we move forwardwith that.
And I think that there's a verytight loop that when there is
something brought into my life,my first response is repentance.
Like you just talked about, nomatter how it got to me, no
matter how it came to the light.

Zach (01:17:14):
um

Todd (01:17:15):
I need to repent and, and there's a very short turnaround
cycle and repentance is alwaysjust right there at the cusp.
Whenever I need it, it's a giftfrom God.
As we discussed in, in oursecond episode, I believe it
was, that thought of repentanceis like, it's a gift from God
that I can be grateful for thatI can walk into,

Zach (01:17:35):
um, and clasp

Todd (01:17:37):
onto at a notice.
Um, so as soon as there'ssomething there, the fear of the
Lord is going to drive me rightto repentance because I don't
want Anything to sever therelationship between him and I,
my biggest fear is not him.
My biggest fear is being awayfrom him.
And then another exciting,

Zach (01:17:54):
I think,

Todd (01:17:56):
indicator of the fear of the Lord in our lives is the
abounding joy that we have inour lives.
And we just, you We want to tellothers about it.
Um, I,

Zach (01:18:05):
I,

Todd (01:18:07):
those

Zach (01:18:07):
who have,

Todd (01:18:09):
you see somebody walking in chains of darkness or
confusion or delusion orwhatever is binding up in their
lives.
and God has freed you from that.
You

Zach (01:18:18):
just want,

Todd (01:18:19):
you want to help them.
You want them to see, um,freedom in their own lives.
And I think that the joy ofwalking in freedom, the joy of
no longer having that cloudhanging over you.
You desire that for your lovedones.
You desire that for anybody whodoesn't have that.
It's like, that is an indicatorthat the fear of the Lord is in
you.
I think is that you, want othersto have, what you've received

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and, it's an amazing andbeautiful thing.
It has to be an act of Godbecause of ourselves, we want to
be selfish, but the fear of theLord is that we want to give and
give, and

Zach (01:18:53):
give.
And it's like.

Todd (01:18:55):
Anybody who talks to you will realize in a very short
order

Zach (01:18:59):
that

Todd (01:19:00):
what you want to talk about is what God is showing you
or how God has led you or, orhowever it is, but it's
glorifying him and proclaiminghim.
you have great pleasure intalking about what he has done
in your life and, um, and youwant others to have that same.

Zach (01:19:15):
thing

Todd (01:19:17):
And very closely tied to that then is that you get
excited when you do feel Goddraw close and you want to spend
time with him.
Like the best part of my day isthe time that I can spend alone,
quiet with him.

Zach (01:19:31):
And.

Todd (01:19:33):
He can talk to me.
I can

Zach (01:19:35):
to him.

Todd (01:19:36):
And when there are it's, it's hard, but there are times
when he gets very, very closeand his spirit is very, very
real.
And that's very, very preciouswhen,

Zach (01:19:49):
and

Todd (01:19:50):
before I had the fear of the Lord in my life, that was
not true.
It was all dry.
It was all sawdust.
I didn't have any desire tospend any time with him.
and going back to a previousthing, that of drawing away from
the believers, I was fine withgoing to church, but I didn't
like the singing.
And when I became trulyconverted, singing is beautiful

(01:20:12):
to me.
the hymns

Zach (01:20:13):
of the faith

Todd (01:20:15):
and exaltation to God is a beautiful thing.
And that was one of the changeshe's made in my life before my
wife was always wanting to go tothe singing portion of the
service.
I was very fine with justsitting under the, Preaching was
my thing.
now I enjoy the singing.
I enjoy listening.
And that was one thing that wasa very dramatic and physical
thing that I noticed a change inmy life was that of enjoying

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singing, Well, I think to goalong with the part of him
drawing us, I think he, he

Zach (01:20:45):
does

Todd (01:20:47):
and draw an eye to us in times of stillness and devotions
and, and times that.
But I think he draws an eye tous in

Zach (01:21:03):
times

Todd (01:21:05):
of difficulty or, or when

Zach (01:21:07):
are

Todd (01:21:09):
beyond our means.
when we enter into situationsand do things

Zach (01:21:14):
life

Todd (01:21:16):
that we don't understand why.
that's when he shows himselfreal and draws Nigh.
And

Zach (01:21:22):
oftentimes

Todd (01:21:24):
I they, they kind of go hand in hand because if, if

Zach (01:21:29):
we aren't

Todd (01:21:31):
surrendered to

Zach (01:21:35):
beyond

Todd (01:21:36):
our means,

Zach (01:21:36):
so to

Todd (01:21:39):
he probably isn't drawing Nigh to us in the quiet Because
we aren't surrendered.
I think, at least

Zach (01:21:49):
for me,

Todd (01:21:50):
it

Zach (01:21:51):
comes,

Todd (01:21:52):
or it came first, and

Zach (01:21:54):
it comes to us.

Todd (01:21:57):
when, when I'm living, when I'm trying to live within
means, and not being surrenderedwith situations.
Those are the times when heseems quiet.
In the quiet times when, heseems a little when I'm back, in
my, in my life and my, and myrelationships

Zach (01:22:20):
in my.
Day to

Todd (01:22:22):
day activities.
When I get in a rhythm and startthinking I have control of
everything

Zach (01:22:27):
over here,

Todd (01:22:28):
my quiet times or when, when I do commune with him is
when he distant.
sometimes we, our, our humannature, we want to him to show
himself real and speak to us inthe quiet times.
So we have the strength or so wehave the, the courage to go out
and step out when a

Zach (01:22:49):
lot of times

Todd (01:22:50):
he's asking us to just step out and trust and he'll
show himself real to us in

Zach (01:22:56):
real life.

Todd (01:22:57):
And I've heard.
somebody wants to say that

Zach (01:23:00):
God.

Todd (01:23:02):
operates or shows himself right on the edge of reality.
And I think that's so true, likeso

Zach (01:23:10):
times.

Todd (01:23:12):
It's easy to call things

Zach (01:23:14):
in life

Todd (01:23:16):
coincidence or, or whatever, but, but if we're
willing to, to actually give himthe credit and continue to step
out on the fringes, so to speak,or on the things

Zach (01:23:27):
that may not.

Todd (01:23:29):
may not, make sense to us so that we can actually see the
outcome of the situation, but toactually step into it.
Yeah,

Zach (01:23:37):
he will, will

Todd (01:23:39):
show himself real and he will be real to in our day life.
And I think I really think

Zach (01:23:48):
that that's,

Todd (01:23:50):
that it's through that that we gain the

Zach (01:23:52):
relationship

Todd (01:23:54):
and the deepness with him that he can us in the

Zach (01:23:59):
quiet

Todd (01:24:01):
I think there's 100 percent right.
And I think I see it as a twopronged situation.
So at one level, The fear of theLord

Zach (01:24:09):
has

Todd (01:24:10):
puts us in a position where we are sensitive to his
movement.
Um, and if we don't have thefear of the Lord, he's moving,
but we're not, we're not seeingit.
Um, and, and so the fear of theLord allows us to be sensitive
to, no, actually that wasn't meat all.
That was him moving.
And we can praise him for that.
The second prong of that is ifwe, in our spirit, even if we

(01:24:33):
don't say it audibly, or if wewon't even admit it to
ourselves, but in our spirit, wehave this thing that I've got
this.
He's going to let us fall on ourface.
he's like,

Zach (01:24:41):
Those

Todd (01:24:42):
who are whole, not a physician, it's not that they
don't need a physicians.
They don't, they think they'rewhole.
And so as long as we think wehold, as long as we think we
don't need a physician, thephysician is not going to come
barging into the room.

Zach (01:24:53):
but

Todd (01:24:54):
The fear of the Lord puts us in a position and keeps us in
a position

Zach (01:24:57):
to realize

Todd (01:24:58):
I need you from

Zach (01:24:59):
zero here

Todd (01:25:01):
Every day is from zero.
to your point, that's when he'slike, yeah, I know you need me.
I just needed you to you admitthat you need me.
And that's when we walk in thefear of the Lord.
We don't have it.
It doesn't matter the situation.
Even if we've done it a thousandtimes, he has a different way
for us.
And it's like surrendering itand submitting it.

(01:25:22):
And I think that's a great wayto kind of wind this up is, just
walking in that.
And we've said it many times,but allowing that we fear being
away from him, that we fear thatwe would fall from him

Zach (01:25:33):
Um,

Todd (01:25:35):
Batterson makes this thing.
He said the, the only Godordained fear.
Is the fear of God.
And if we fear him, we don'thave to fear anything else.
And I just think that's abeautiful way to wrap up.
This episode he

Zach (01:25:48):
is

Todd (01:25:49):
the ultimate, he is the one who can protect us from all
fears.
He's the solver of comfort ofour hearts.
Um, no matter how chaotic andwild the world gets around us.
We can have a peace when ourfear is in him.
And, um, the fear of the Lord, Ilike this thought too, is that
is the concept of takingwhatever fears I do have and

(01:26:12):
giving it to him.
And so that his fear overcomesall that.
And if we fear

Zach (01:26:17):
we don't have to fear anyone else.

Todd (01:26:19):
Excellent wrap up.
So, well, thanks for listening,uh, to, to this episode.
And don't forget, we'd love tohear from you.
our email again is

Zach (01:26:28):
the surrendered soul

Todd (01:26:29):
thesurrenderedsoul24 at gmail.
com.
So shoot us, uh, any of yourthoughts or questions or
anything.
So thanks for listening andwe'll see you next time.

Zach (01:26:38):
Thank you.
The only path to freedom isliving a surrendered life.

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