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Tyler is finally free from the shackle of solo episodes. Yay!
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So it's time to finally talk about something in his willhouse.
We'll be discussing the latest and potentially greatest Spider-Man film across the Spider-Verse.
Welcome to the SwitchClicks Podcast episode 139, recorded on June 5th, 2023.
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My name is Dakota, back from Japan, and I'm here today with Tyler.
Hello! You know me, I'm the only one who's been doing this for like the past month.
Yeah, of course. I don't think I even made this public at all, or maybe I mentioned a little bit,
but yeah, I was in Japan for the last three weeks.
If you head over to our YouTube channel, I'll probably have some videos coming out soon about that.
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Mainly, sometime in the future, tips and tricks on how to buy stuff for cheap in Japan.
Specifically, like anime figures and merchandise and whatnot.
Ooh, but yeah. On my flight to Japan, I knew that Across the Spider-Verse was around the corner,
and I did watch Into the Spider-Verse on the way there.
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Even with the plane.
Still slapped the screen size.
And the What's Up Danger scene where he's jumping off the building, the leap of faith, still slaps.
Even at like the really tiny, the tiny little airport monitor size.
I imagine.
They gave me like the cheapest headphones ever on the flight, and I don't own any wired earbuds.
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So I had to use the hand out.
And then coming back, watched it in theaters the first day with running jet lag, still slaps,
and it's one of the greatest movies of all time.
I loved it so, so much. It's probably, I think, probably the best Spider-Man movie.
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I have my own personal bias that won't put it to number one.
But like, yeah, that it is excellent.
Astonishingly so.
You know, I have I said this multiple times before when we talk about movies,
but I have like a list of these are my these are the movies that I think are the best Spider-Man movies.
And these are the movies that I think I enjoyed the most.
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And this is definitely very, very high on that list.
And I think it is the best Spider-Man movie.
But I have my biases on the other side again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't I don't know, like, I guess just full ahead.
This is full spoilers.
We're not going to be holding back.
So yeah, but it might not be the best just considering it's not a full it's just a part one.
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Yeah.
So I think I always the cliffhanger always just makes me happy in a movie.
For whatever reason, I like the feeling of in the theater.
And but that's probably it's probably not like actually the best, but it is definitely like up there is my favorites almost overtaking Spider-Man three.
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Not quite, though.
I went to I went to the movie with my brother and he definitely agreed that this is like one of the best movies he's seen in a while.
And he's very critical of the MCU in general, like he's doesn't watch the new ones anymore.
Fair enough.
And he got bored of it after they killed Iron Man.
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So, but I told my brother that, like, I think I enjoyed into the Spider-Verse more, but only because of like the payoff and how they how they did the payoff with the Spider-Man.
The leap of faith scene.
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I still will forever never stop talking about that.
But that scene, you know, there's you get the you get the lead up to that scene is just so good.
And because this movie is part one of two, we'll get that payoff in the second movie.
So I didn't get any of that payoff in the first one, which I was expecting.
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The closest we got was when Miles was like pinned to the train that was going to space and he was like, no, let me do my own thing.
I was expecting it to be like the higher you get in space, like he was going to start like getting lightheaded and stuff.
But that never that was like I was like, when is this going to happen?
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It never did.
But I mean, that makes sense.
Yeah, I've heard people say a lot of the times with other movies that like it's like always the story of becoming is more interesting than the story of being.
And for this movie, I don't know what it was, but the first like little bit of it where it's like just Miles helping out in his own world and just like interacting with his dad, but like as Spider-Man and like the initial fight with a spot.
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Is also entertaining.
He's just like.
He's they did such a good job of just making him being Spider-Man so fun and lively.
And yeah, it's just it's stunning.
I was actually thinking about that recently, and we haven't got like a normal Spider-Man movie in so long.
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And I think it's the fact that people are just craving a street level Spider-Man thing.
It is kind of just a point.
Yeah, and like I wouldn't even say like far from home isn't that's Spider-Man is not in New York and there like the last one we probably got was either into the Spider-Verse if you count it or homecoming.
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Homecoming probably would be the closest thing.
Yeah, that's why I like homecoming so much.
It was like the last street level one.
Oh, actually homecoming reminded me because vultures, the villain of homecoming, reminded me of the vulture fight at the beginning of this movie and just one specific thing that I saw when vulture was firing.
I don't remember if it was like missiles or his wings or something.
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He fired something and before he did it, the background for a little bit turned like parchment paper brown with like Da Vinci calculations floating around as he's calculating how to shoot it in his head.
And that like that was the first moment or not the first moment, but that was one of the moments where I sat back in the seat and went, yeah, it's going to be this kind of movie.
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Yeah, I was like giggling next to my brother.
I'm like, yes, I can't believe they're doing this.
Yeah, even like while reviewing this, I'm just smiling the whole time.
It's so good.
I had the same moment when Hobie showed up and I saw his arse out because I barely watched any of the trailers.
I'm like holy crap, how did they do it?
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I watched the trailers, but I purposefully skipped out on all the clips that they release.
And I'm so happy I did that.
But yeah, oh, also, I don't know.
I feel like watching the movie, Hobie is supposed to be the character.
It's like, yeah, this is like the bad boy character that everyone's supposed to like.
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And normally that makes me go like, oh, I want to be cool and not like him, but it's impossible.
It's impossible.
He's so awesome.
Yeah.
For some reason, I couldn't understand what he was saying.
Like he was very, very British.
They have little officers notes in the corner for the slang.
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Yeah.
Oh, what a good way to do it.
And like when he throws away his little watch and goes into the portal because he quits,
is so he just comes in, ruins everything and leaves without explanation.
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You know that picture of the guy sitting on like his window ledge?
Or maybe it's like he's sitting on a ledge staring at the sun.
It's like I bring the whole we should all quit energy to the workplace that my bosses really
don't like.
That's literally him.
He brings the I think we should all quit energy that no one likes.
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Somebody made a joke on Twitter and, Tyler, you may have seen it, where it was part of the
advertising that they were introducing Hobie.
And it was like, oh, his introduction, it was like, oh, I hate the AM, I hate the PM.
And then somebody screenshotted the I hate the PM.
And they said like average British person.
I think I missed that one.
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No, it definitely went viral.
And I've been on my timeline all week now.
Oh, it's insane.
Artists are amazing, too.
I've been getting so much more like needlessly, like needlessly
the horny art of like Miguel.
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Yeah, I know the third degree.
Well, I'm like, I don't think I can open Twitter on like the bus right now for fear of it.
Just it's it's going to it's going to be rough for the next little bit.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I'll also also speaking of I was talking about the beginning of the movie that opening with
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Gwen is I said I've already said stunning.
I need to think of more adjectives.
It is it's just so it's so good.
In the first movie, I didn't hate Gwen.
I didn't really love Gwen either.
She was just kind of there.
She was like the intermediate middle ground between Miles and Peter B Parker.
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But the the showing her world and how her world's pretty much the same,
except whenever it gets dramatic, they switch up the color scheme.
Like it's Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
And it's so cool how like where Miles is world, the farther you get into the background,
it gets like the chromatic aberration gets further apart.
Like that's how they make things look blurry.
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Well, in her world, like the farther things are away, they're just like less detailed
brushstrokes.
And then when it gets dramatic and like the backgrounds all melt into color, it's so cool.
First, that's what like convinced me that it was watercolor.
I was like, OK, this is cool watercolor paint, but is it like digital or real?
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And then when she finally hugged her dad and the scene got emotional and it started like
watering away like fresh.
Oh, my gosh.
Fresh watercolor.
That was incredible.
It is.
It's so like genuinely, I had no idea that they could destroy the how the first Spider
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verse looked.
I thought it was going to be pretty much close to the same, but they really went out and
made for the second time now Sony animation, the Emoji movie people made every other animated
movie look ugly for the second time in a row.
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It is.
It's incredible.
Well, putting the two movies side by side as well, you can definitely see that the normal
stuff has been upgraded significantly.
Like it almost it almost looks a little bit cheaper.
The first one.
Yeah, I think it had the same budget.
Yeah, they just got in so good at like the integrating the different styles.
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Like the first Spiderverse movie was cool and all with all like everyone has a kind
of different art style, but this one just pushes it so much further with the introduction
of well, Hobie primarily, but then you get like live action footage put in or when 60
Spider-Man shows up and it's just one one reused animation cell they use a million times
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in the show.
It's yeah.
Well, that was the joke that he got stuck on one frame.
Yeah, he got stuck on one frame.
He can't do anything.
There is no budget in there, but oh, it is.
Wow.
So we might as well talk about the different Spider-Man and what they did actually with
the Spider-verse.
Yeah, I might as well actually start talking about like the plot.
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This episode is all over the place, but it doesn't matter.
We are gushing.
Who cares about the plot?
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
I'm going to be the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing out the pointing at the screen.
The whole movie.
It's true.
That is really how I felt the entire time.
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Oh, in my theater, there was a normally I'm not a big fan of people talking the theater,
but there was like probably like a 10 to 12 year old sitting behind me who was just like
hype manning the whole movie.
It made it so much better.
Like and he was well versed in his Spider-Man knowledge, too.
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It was crazy.
Like Spider-Punk first shows up and he's like, Spider-Punk, no way.
And I'm like, he knows this guy.
He knows who Spider-Punk is.
And then later I hear like in the credits, he's talking to his dad and he calls Spider-Man
2099 Miguel O'Hara and I'm like, you picked up on it.
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He was just yeah.
In this kid showed out to him.
I heard one of the complaints in the movie was that the like the spider people just kind
of went along with it with Miguel.
Yeah, I guess.
But also, I'm pretty sure the whole point was that Miguel like picked and chose who
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was part of the Spider Society.
So that's why they all kind of went with it.
I saw someone's theory on Twitter of people being like, why?
Well, if Toby and Andrew were there, they would also go on Miles's side.
And it's like, yeah, because that's kind of the whole point.
That's like why he's just picking and choosing people that are going to kind of agree with
him.
Because I think we're probably going to see in the third one that he's wrong to a degree,
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especially considering like, I guess they're just saying that Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man
three or Captain Stacy and Spider-Man three just dies at some point off screen.
Yeah, I guess the captain dying isn't necessarily something that always has to happen.
So I have to imagine the third movie, they're going to actually they're going to disprove
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Miguel's point.
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I mean, I can just let me just click through my click through my brain to the next like
scene that stood out to me.
Oh, yeah. So later in the movie, Miguel is chasing Miles up a big like bus to space,
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and all the spider people are following him.
And Miguel, as he tells Miles, like the the fact that the conflict of the movie ends up
being the main villain doesn't think Miles Morales deserves to be Spider-Man is so on
point to a degree.
It's like so on the nose to their degree that I kind of respect it.
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But like, no, nothing is serious enough to get that close to someone's ear.
I'm going to be honest.
Oh, yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Earlier in the in the movie, very early, you know, the teacher parent teacher conference,
and the teacher was talking about like that he that Miles needs a story.
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And whatever.
And and first of all, that scene was amazing.
It was just hilarious because immigrant parents and whatnot.
But technically not.
And then later on, when Miles and his mom was up on the rooftop, she was talking to
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him about like fitting in somewhere.
Fitting in somewhere and wherever you go, you're going to fit in and you're going to
like force yourself in kind of don't tell them that you can't fit in stuff like that.
And, you know, during that scene, we don't know that, you know, that stuff happens.
But it was so obvious foreshadowing, but it was also such amazing foreshadowing.
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It's exactly what happened at the end of the at the end of the movie.
And you kind of touched on it just like very, very briefly.
But the amount of praise this movie has been getting for its visuals and its excellent story.
Not a lot of people are talking about how just really funny it is,
like way funnier than the last one.
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Maybe I haven't seen it in a little bit, but like especially Jefferson Davis,
Miles dad, I didn't I either forgot that he was really like he had the the one
say bye to your dad scene, which was quite funny in the first one.
But he's just he's just being funny the whole movie.
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Yeah, and a lot of it really comes from the kind of like the husband and wife
battles that they have.
Yeah.
Once the wife says something, he backs off.
I think like their relationship is just it's very like it's so like they just
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bounce off each other really well, too.
It I don't think any character in this movie feels out of place.
That's kind of mild is all there has the part of the movie.
He he.
Oh, and one more just like super minuscule thing right at the end of the movie where
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Miles has been teleported to the wrong earth and the everyone else is going to the wrong
everyone else is going to 1610 to find him, but he's actually in 42.
And there's a scene where Miguel goes to the place and is just standing ominously next to a
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bright red welcome sign.
And it's like maybe the most beautiful shot I've seen in an animated movie in a very,
very long time.
They kept cutting back to it.
I think they did it like two or three times.
They were in awe every single time.
It's it's so cool.
It's like simple, but if you remember, I don't know if you have you seen Batman Returns?
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I have not.
No.
Well, there's a scene in that movie where Catwoman is becoming Catwoman and getting all dressed up.
And she has a sign in her room that says it's like a pink neon sign that says hello there.
And then after she's done being Catwoman, she like scratches the room and like whips it up
and it smashes a couple of the neon signs and it says hell here instead of hello there.
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And it's like and then the bright pink is like the only they zoom out of the room.
And it's like that's the main focal point of like the Gotham.
The Gotham skyline.
Yeah.
And you just see like that.
And it was very reminiscent of that for me.
And it was like, whoa, what there?
This is so cool.
So there's I like the first movie had this, but this movie in particular, I feel like there isn't
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a frame that wouldn't look good on like put up on a wall of this movie.
Yeah.
Like I can't think of a single one single frame that I would put up.
I want to put all of them up.
Yeah, you put it up on your wall, like in sequential order, like wallpaper going around the room.
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That'd be a very psychedelic wallpaper.
That would be a weird looking room.
In contrast to the first movie where everybody put up and me as well,
put up the one scene where he was falling upwards.
Mm hmm.
The city and like they didn't really have a lot of space.
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Like they didn't really have that.
But like when he's sitting with Gwen underneath, yes, yes, yes.
I'm hanging under that.
And it's like, what a good scene, but also just so well put together in like every sense of the way.
Yeah.
Everybody on Twitter is gushing about the one scene where Gwen is walking like around one of the
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statues and the camera follows her as the world spins around her.
And that's so good.
It's oh, wow.
If someone has gotten to this point in the video and have not seen the movie, go watch it.
It is.
We cannot do it justice as much as we try.
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It is so, so good.
And like it's so weird because there isn't really like there isn't like a like a villain that gets
its comeuppance in this movie because it's a part one, part two, like it kind of in a way it ends
on such like a tense cliffhanger that I feel like I should be disappointed.
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But it's just it's just so.
So I like going essentially halfway through the movie and stopping and I didn't get like
upset or anything.
I was just so happy that this is a thing and then I that there I will be able to see it
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the part two in the future.
Yeah, I sometimes wish that I didn't know it was a part two and I would have gotten the shock
of.
Oh, yeah.
Continued. I know that the probably the majority of people going to the theaters in the next few
weeks probably don't even know there's needs to be a part two.
So my brother did not know there was a second one.
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So my brother also did not know and I spoiled it on accident while we were watching the movie.
Like we were watching the movie and I was like went over to him and whispered like,
how is this like I know there's a part two to this movie, but like
this movie feels like it's been ending for so long and I just don't want it to stop.
And he's like, there's a part two.
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My brother was saying the opposite.
He kept looking at us watching.
He's like, we're like two hours into this.
How do they end all of this?
There's a lot of setup.
I this movie, it felt really long, but in like a way that it's like time was slowed down so I could
enjoy every second of the movie.
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The movie felt like three hours and I wish it was more.
Yeah.
Maybe the last thing, actually, I got two more things.
Number one, the spot.
Yes, I was going to mention him as well.
I yeah, the the fact that like when you first he first shows up and he looks really goofy
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and everything and the like design he gets when he goes into the big collider,
where he's all glitchy and like taboo esque.
And it's so I the fact like I knew the spot was beforehand and he's like the biggest joke
villain that Spider-Man has and he is still kind of a joke here.
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And like even I think the fact that he isn't like a super terrifying serious guy, but he's
just so committed right now to like ruining his life is kind of scarier.
Yeah, he's not super like his voice isn't really imposing, but he's just like committed.
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I when I first watched the few first three trailers, I thought the spot was just going
to be like, OK, the opening scene and that's it.
And then they got further into the movie and I'm like, wow, they integrated both villains
insanely well.
Yeah, they're oh yeah, it's.
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And as well at the very end, I want to point out that his design when he kind of reverses
his black and white colors and now he's mostly black with white spots, people are definitely
making the connections between his design and the like the black silhouette of the expectation
sign from the first movie.
Yes.
Which is so interesting.
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Apparently, if you go back and watch the movie, there's like when Miles is like first web
slinging or something like he crashes into the ground and the numbers like I don't know
if he crashed into a sign or something, but there's just 42 next to it.
Yeah, I saw that too.
Yeah, just the the little the his spider, his when he got bit by the spider and he like
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his spider sense adjusts to the Peter of that world.
Yeah, yeah.
It changes from frowler colors to Spider-Man colors.
It's so cool.
It's so it's so excellent in literally every single way.
And we probably need to cut this off as soon as possible before we go on for an hour.
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Last thing, the music.
Oh, I didn't pay a lot of attention to it.
I'm going to be honest, but you go off.
Okay, first of all, the music in the first movie was my favorite part.
I have cousins that hate the first movie and they hate it because of music.
I have no idea why.
Anyways, music in this was great.
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I unfortunately, the like entire soundtrack made by the rappers or whatnot is not as good
as the first one.
And I don't think I'm alone in that.
I know Jagjit doesn't like the fact that there's no post Malone.
Yeah, I'm also disappointed that there's no post Malone, but they announced who was working
on it beforehand, so I wasn't expecting anything.
But there was nothing as catchy as Sunflower and there was nothing as hitting hard as
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What's Up Danger.
And now I am expecting that in the second one, and I am hoping that there's something
like What's Up Danger.
I know in the first one as well, but I like for the last couple days have not been able
to get like the Spider-Man theme.
It's just been like repeating in my head over and over again.
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I have Spider-Man 2099's theme stuck in my head because it's a little bit similar to
the Prowler theme, but it's like the almost hard synth.
Yeah.
Good, good, good stuff.
That's so cool.
I love how droney the music can get in these.
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Probably not something I would listen to outside of the context of the movie.
Yeah, me neither.
Say like I would with like a Danny Elfman Spider-Man theme from the original three movies.
But in the context of the film, it's so good.
The other kind of fun thing is that at the end of the movie when the evil Miles or Prowler
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Miles is revealed, they just do the Prowler theme, but in reverse.
It's so good.
I don't remember that at all.
I guess on the second watch you'll have to listen.
I got to go back as soon as possible.
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I don't know if it's just me, but I made a connection between this and No Way Home.
You know in No Way Home that they use the Tom Holland Spider-Man theme like way too much.
And it's like unnoticeably way too much.
In this one, they use Miles' theme a lot, but it does have a little bit better use.
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Because I watched a video essay about it and it was like, oh,
they use it when they're important quote unquote canon events in the story.
Or important story beats to Spider-Man.
So I think they use it a lot better.
I also think Miles' theme is less like operatic or theatrical as most other Spider-Man themes.
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So it doesn't really intrude as much as a big theatrical or Crestrick Spider-Man theme would.
And also as much as I really love No Way Home on the first watch through,
I am willing to bet this is like the way they handled the cameos in this is so, so much better.
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They were surprising to a degree that made me happy, but also like I think you could take
every cameo out of this movie and replace it with just like how Spider-Man looks.
Just like the red and blue Spider-Man and they would be perfectly fine.
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Yeah. It wouldn't take away nearly anything from the movie.
Like as much as Childish Gambino, Prowler, or Miss, I want to say Miss Quan from Venom.
As much as those are nice, like they aren't, they don't pause for applause.
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Yeah, exactly.
One last thing about the music.
Right at the very end, right before credits roll and they're doing kind of like the last theme
and the last hurrah, they're teaming up right before they go into the portal.
They actually are playing the theme of the movie.
I think it's Miles's theme or just like the Spider-Verse theme.
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And it's different from the, I think it's almost the same one from Into the Spider-Verse,
but they added drums from Gwen and they actually had some like the Spider-Man India Bollywood music
or whatever they use there in the theme mixed in.
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I didn't hear any like hard rock or anything for a Hobie, but maybe on second watch I'll hear it.
But they mixed a bunch of the characters into one. It was so cool.
And yeah, I feel like a good last note to end this on is like the last shot of the movie close to
where they have like their new Spider team, like the Spider Strike Force or whatever,
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of all the characters we've kind of like known from the last two movies.
It's like the most hype thing ever.
It is. I'm so glad they're like bringing some of the ones from the first one back.
I didn't see like noir explicitly or...
Oh, he has noir.
In the final little group, in the final shot.
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There was so much going on. I couldn't look at them.
Yeah, they have Spider-Ham and Spider-Man noir in that group, which is good.
Because I would hate to see them get sidelined.
The ones I was looking for was Penny Parker. And when she showed up in that one part,
it's like everybody has to go through this and she revealed herself with like a slightly new art style.
I'm like, why does she look so depressed? And then I realized that the first time we saw her,
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she probably didn't go through any canon events. And knowing her comic,
holy crap, she went through a lot.
I actually don't know anything about that comic.
Okay, after a recording, just go look it up. It's so depressing.
That's kind of fun.
I also hope with Spider-Man noir, they pay off the Rubik's Cube.
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Ooh, fair enough. He, I don't know, he completed it.
Does something with it. Yeah. Gives it back, uses it as a weapon, whatever.
Yeah. Maybe he like, I don't know. I can't even think of.
Maybe he can paint or something. There is too much to say in the span of an episode.
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Fair enough.
Yes, that's proper English.
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Tyler is finally free from the shackle of solo episodes. Yay!
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So it's time to finally talk about something in his willhouse.
We'll be discussing the latest and potentially greatest Spider-Man film across the Spider-Verse.
Welcome to the SwitchClicks Podcast episode 139, recorded on June 5th, 2023.
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My name is Dakota, back from Japan, and I'm here today with Tyler.
Hello! You know me, I'm the only one who's been doing this for like the past month.
Yeah, of course. I don't think I even made this public at all, or maybe I mentioned a little bit,
but yeah, I was in Japan for the last three weeks.
If you head over to our YouTube channel, I'll probably have some videos coming out soon about that.
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Mainly, sometime in the future, tips and tricks on how to buy stuff for cheap in Japan.
Specifically, like anime figures and merchandise and whatnot.
Ooh, but yeah. On my flight to Japan, I knew that Across the Spider-Verse was around the corner,
and I did watch Into the Spider-Verse on the way there.
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Even with the plane.
Still slapped the screen size.
And the What's Up Danger scene where he's jumping off the building, the leap of faith, still slaps.
Even at like the really tiny, the tiny little airport monitor size.
I imagine.
They gave me like the cheapest headphones ever on the flight, and I don't own any wired earbuds.
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So I had to use the hand out.
And then coming back, watched it in theaters the first day with running jet lag, still slaps,
and it's one of the greatest movies of all time.
I loved it so, so much. It's probably, I think, probably the best Spider-Man movie.
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I have my own personal bias that won't put it to number one.
But like, yeah, that it is excellent.
Astonishingly so.
You know, I have I said this multiple times before when we talk about movies,
but I have like a list of these are my these are the movies that I think are the best Spider-Man movies.
And these are the movies that I think I enjoyed the most.
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And this is definitely very, very high on that list.
And I think it is the best Spider-Man movie.
But I have my biases on the other side again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't I don't know, like, I guess just full ahead.
This is full spoilers.
We're not going to be holding back.
So yeah, but it might not be the best just considering it's not a full it's just a part one.
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Yeah.
So I think I always the cliffhanger always just makes me happy in a movie.
For whatever reason, I like the feeling of in the theater.
And but that's probably it's probably not like actually the best, but it is definitely like up there is my favorites almost overtaking Spider-Man three.
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Not quite, though.
I went to I went to the movie with my brother and he definitely agreed that this is like one of the best movies he's seen in a while.
And he's very critical of the MCU in general, like he's doesn't watch the new ones anymore.
Fair enough.
And he got bored of it after they killed Iron Man.
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So, but I told my brother that, like, I think I enjoyed into the Spider-Verse more, but only because of like the payoff and how they how they did the payoff with the Spider-Man.
The leap of faith scene.
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I still will forever never stop talking about that.
But that scene, you know, there's you get the you get the lead up to that scene is just so good.
And because this movie is part one of two, we'll get that payoff in the second movie.
So I didn't get any of that payoff in the first one, which I was expecting.
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The closest we got was when Miles was like pinned to the train that was going to space and he was like, no, let me do my own thing.
I was expecting it to be like the higher you get in space, like he was going to start like getting lightheaded and stuff.
But that never that was like I was like, when is this going to happen?
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It never did.
But I mean, that makes sense.
Yeah, I've heard people say a lot of the times with other movies that like it's like always the story of becoming is more interesting than the story of being.
And for this movie, I don't know what it was, but the first like little bit of it where it's like just Miles helping out in his own world and just like interacting with his dad, but like as Spider-Man and like the initial fight with a spot.
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Is also entertaining.
He's just like.
He's they did such a good job of just making him being Spider-Man so fun and lively.
And yeah, it's just it's stunning.
I was actually thinking about that recently, and we haven't got like a normal Spider-Man movie in so long.
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And I think it's the fact that people are just craving a street level Spider-Man thing.
It is kind of just a point.
Yeah, and like I wouldn't even say like far from home isn't that's Spider-Man is not in New York and there like the last one we probably got was either into the Spider-Verse if you count it or homecoming.
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Homecoming probably would be the closest thing.
Yeah, that's why I like homecoming so much.
It was like the last street level one.
Oh, actually homecoming reminded me because vultures, the villain of homecoming, reminded me of the vulture fight at the beginning of this movie and just one specific thing that I saw when vulture was firing.
I don't remember if it was like missiles or his wings or something.
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He fired something and before he did it, the background for a little bit turned like parchment paper brown with like Da Vinci calculations floating around as he's calculating how to shoot it in his head.
And that like that was the first moment or not the first moment, but that was one of the moments where I sat back in the seat and went, yeah, it's going to be this kind of movie.
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Yeah, I was like giggling next to my brother.
I'm like, yes, I can't believe they're doing this.
Yeah, even like while reviewing this, I'm just smiling the whole time.
It's so good.
I had the same moment when Hobie showed up and I saw his arse out because I barely watched any of the trailers.
I'm like holy crap, how did they do it?
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I watched the trailers, but I purposefully skipped out on all the clips that they release.
And I'm so happy I did that.
But yeah, oh, also, I don't know.
I feel like watching the movie, Hobie is supposed to be the character.
It's like, yeah, this is like the bad boy character that everyone's supposed to like.
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And normally that makes me go like, oh, I want to be cool and not like him, but it's impossible.
It's impossible.
He's so awesome.
Yeah.
For some reason, I couldn't understand what he was saying.
Like he was very, very British.
They have little officers notes in the corner for the slang.
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Yeah.
Oh, what a good way to do it.
And like when he throws away his little watch and goes into the portal because he quits,
is so he just comes in, ruins everything and leaves without explanation.
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You know that picture of the guy sitting on like his window ledge?
Or maybe it's like he's sitting on a ledge staring at the sun.
It's like I bring the whole we should all quit energy to the workplace that my bosses really
don't like.
That's literally him.
He brings the I think we should all quit energy that no one likes.
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Somebody made a joke on Twitter and, Tyler, you may have seen it, where it was part of the
advertising that they were introducing Hobie.
And it was like, oh, his introduction, it was like, oh, I hate the AM, I hate the PM.
And then somebody screenshotted the I hate the PM.
And they said like average British person.
I think I missed that one.
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No, it definitely went viral.
And I've been on my timeline all week now.
Oh, it's insane.
Artists are amazing, too.
I've been getting so much more like needlessly, like needlessly
the horny art of like Miguel.
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Yeah, I know the third degree.
Well, I'm like, I don't think I can open Twitter on like the bus right now for fear of it.
Just it's it's going to it's going to be rough for the next little bit.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
I'll also also speaking of I was talking about the beginning of the movie that opening with
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Gwen is I said I've already said stunning.
I need to think of more adjectives.
It is it's just so it's so good.
In the first movie, I didn't hate Gwen.
I didn't really love Gwen either.
She was just kind of there.
She was like the intermediate middle ground between Miles and Peter B Parker.
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But the the showing her world and how her world's pretty much the same,
except whenever it gets dramatic, they switch up the color scheme.
Like it's Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.
And it's so cool how like where Miles is world, the farther you get into the background,
it gets like the chromatic aberration gets further apart.
Like that's how they make things look blurry.
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Well, in her world, like the farther things are away, they're just like less detailed
brushstrokes.
And then when it gets dramatic and like the backgrounds all melt into color, it's so cool.
First, that's what like convinced me that it was watercolor.
I was like, OK, this is cool watercolor paint, but is it like digital or real?
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And then when she finally hugged her dad and the scene got emotional and it started like
watering away like fresh.
Oh, my gosh.
Fresh watercolor.
That was incredible.
It is.
It's so like genuinely, I had no idea that they could destroy the how the first Spider
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verse looked.
I thought it was going to be pretty much close to the same, but they really went out and
made for the second time now Sony animation, the Emoji movie people made every other animated
movie look ugly for the second time in a row.
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It is.
It's incredible.
Well, putting the two movies side by side as well, you can definitely see that the normal
stuff has been upgraded significantly.
Like it almost it almost looks a little bit cheaper.
The first one.
Yeah, I think it had the same budget.
Yeah, they just got in so good at like the integrating the different styles.
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Like the first Spiderverse movie was cool and all with all like everyone has a kind
of different art style, but this one just pushes it so much further with the introduction
of well, Hobie primarily, but then you get like live action footage put in or when 60
Spider-Man shows up and it's just one one reused animation cell they use a million times
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in the show.
It's yeah.
Well, that was the joke that he got stuck on one frame.
Yeah, he got stuck on one frame.
He can't do anything.
There is no budget in there, but oh, it is.
Wow.
So we might as well talk about the different Spider-Man and what they did actually with
the Spider-verse.
Yeah, I might as well actually start talking about like the plot.
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This episode is all over the place, but it doesn't matter.
We are gushing.
Who cares about the plot?
Fair enough.
Fair enough.
I'm going to be the Leonardo DiCaprio pointing out the pointing at the screen.
The whole movie.
It's true.
That is really how I felt the entire time.
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Oh, in my theater, there was a normally I'm not a big fan of people talking the theater,
but there was like probably like a 10 to 12 year old sitting behind me who was just like
hype manning the whole movie.
It made it so much better.
Like and he was well versed in his Spider-Man knowledge, too.
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It was crazy.
Like Spider-Punk first shows up and he's like, Spider-Punk, no way.
And I'm like, he knows this guy.
He knows who Spider-Punk is.
And then later I hear like in the credits, he's talking to his dad and he calls Spider-Man
2099 Miguel O'Hara and I'm like, you picked up on it.
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He was just yeah.
In this kid showed out to him.
I heard one of the complaints in the movie was that the like the spider people just kind
of went along with it with Miguel.
Yeah, I guess.
But also, I'm pretty sure the whole point was that Miguel like picked and chose who
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was part of the Spider Society.
So that's why they all kind of went with it.
I saw someone's theory on Twitter of people being like, why?
Well, if Toby and Andrew were there, they would also go on Miles's side.
And it's like, yeah, because that's kind of the whole point.
That's like why he's just picking and choosing people that are going to kind of agree with
him.
Because I think we're probably going to see in the third one that he's wrong to a degree,
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especially considering like, I guess they're just saying that Gwen Stacy and Spider-Man
three or Captain Stacy and Spider-Man three just dies at some point off screen.
Yeah, I guess the captain dying isn't necessarily something that always has to happen.
So I have to imagine the third movie, they're going to actually they're going to disprove
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Miguel's point.
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I mean, I can just let me just click through my click through my brain to the next like
scene that stood out to me.
Oh, yeah. So later in the movie, Miguel is chasing Miles up a big like bus to space,
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and all the spider people are following him.
And Miguel, as he tells Miles, like the the fact that the conflict of the movie ends up
being the main villain doesn't think Miles Morales deserves to be Spider-Man is so on
point to a degree.
It's like so on the nose to their degree that I kind of respect it.
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But like, no, nothing is serious enough to get that close to someone's ear.
I'm going to be honest.
Oh, yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Earlier in the in the movie, very early, you know, the teacher parent teacher conference,
and the teacher was talking about like that he that Miles needs a story.
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And whatever.
And and first of all, that scene was amazing.
It was just hilarious because immigrant parents and whatnot.
But technically not.
And then later on, when Miles and his mom was up on the rooftop, she was talking to
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him about like fitting in somewhere.
Fitting in somewhere and wherever you go, you're going to fit in and you're going to
like force yourself in kind of don't tell them that you can't fit in stuff like that.
And, you know, during that scene, we don't know that, you know, that stuff happens.
But it was so obvious foreshadowing, but it was also such amazing foreshadowing.
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It's exactly what happened at the end of the at the end of the movie.
And you kind of touched on it just like very, very briefly.
But the amount of praise this movie has been getting for its visuals and its excellent story.
Not a lot of people are talking about how just really funny it is,
like way funnier than the last one.
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Maybe I haven't seen it in a little bit, but like especially Jefferson Davis,
Miles dad, I didn't I either forgot that he was really like he had the the one
say bye to your dad scene, which was quite funny in the first one.
But he's just he's just being funny the whole movie.
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Yeah, and a lot of it really comes from the kind of like the husband and wife
battles that they have.
Yeah.
Once the wife says something, he backs off.
I think like their relationship is just it's very like it's so like they just
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bounce off each other really well, too.
It I don't think any character in this movie feels out of place.
That's kind of mild is all there has the part of the movie.
He he.
Oh, and one more just like super minuscule thing right at the end of the movie where
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Miles has been teleported to the wrong earth and the everyone else is going to the wrong
everyone else is going to 1610 to find him, but he's actually in 42.
And there's a scene where Miguel goes to the place and is just standing ominously next to a
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bright red welcome sign.
And it's like maybe the most beautiful shot I've seen in an animated movie in a very,
very long time.
They kept cutting back to it.
I think they did it like two or three times.
They were in awe every single time.
It's it's so cool.
It's like simple, but if you remember, I don't know if you have you seen Batman Returns?
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I have not.
No.
Well, there's a scene in that movie where Catwoman is becoming Catwoman and getting all dressed up.
And she has a sign in her room that says it's like a pink neon sign that says hello there.
And then after she's done being Catwoman, she like scratches the room and like whips it up
and it smashes a couple of the neon signs and it says hell here instead of hello there.
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And it's like and then the bright pink is like the only they zoom out of the room.
And it's like that's the main focal point of like the Gotham.
The Gotham skyline.
Yeah.
And you just see like that.
And it was very reminiscent of that for me.
And it was like, whoa, what there?
This is so cool.
So there's I like the first movie had this, but this movie in particular, I feel like there isn't
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a frame that wouldn't look good on like put up on a wall of this movie.
Yeah.
Like I can't think of a single one single frame that I would put up.
I want to put all of them up.
Yeah, you put it up on your wall, like in sequential order, like wallpaper going around the room.
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That'd be a very psychedelic wallpaper.
That would be a weird looking room.
In contrast to the first movie where everybody put up and me as well,
put up the one scene where he was falling upwards.
Mm hmm.
The city and like they didn't really have a lot of space.
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Like they didn't really have that.
But like when he's sitting with Gwen underneath, yes, yes, yes.
I'm hanging under that.
And it's like, what a good scene, but also just so well put together in like every sense of the way.
Yeah.
Everybody on Twitter is gushing about the one scene where Gwen is walking like around one of the
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statues and the camera follows her as the world spins around her.
And that's so good.
It's oh, wow.
If someone has gotten to this point in the video and have not seen the movie, go watch it.
It is.
We cannot do it justice as much as we try.
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It is so, so good.
And like it's so weird because there isn't really like there isn't like a like a villain that gets
its comeuppance in this movie because it's a part one, part two, like it kind of in a way it ends
on such like a tense cliffhanger that I feel like I should be disappointed.
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But it's just it's just so.
So I like going essentially halfway through the movie and stopping and I didn't get like
upset or anything.
I was just so happy that this is a thing and then I that there I will be able to see it
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the part two in the future.
Yeah, I sometimes wish that I didn't know it was a part two and I would have gotten the shock
of.
Oh, yeah.
Continued. I know that the probably the majority of people going to the theaters in the next few
weeks probably don't even know there's needs to be a part two.
So my brother did not know there was a second one.
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So my brother also did not know and I spoiled it on accident while we were watching the movie.
Like we were watching the movie and I was like went over to him and whispered like,
how is this like I know there's a part two to this movie, but like
this movie feels like it's been ending for so long and I just don't want it to stop.
And he's like, there's a part two.
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My brother was saying the opposite.
He kept looking at us watching.
He's like, we're like two hours into this.
How do they end all of this?
There's a lot of setup.
I this movie, it felt really long, but in like a way that it's like time was slowed down so I could
enjoy every second of the movie.
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The movie felt like three hours and I wish it was more.
Yeah.
Maybe the last thing, actually, I got two more things.
Number one, the spot.
Yes, I was going to mention him as well.
I yeah, the the fact that like when you first he first shows up and he looks really goofy
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and everything and the like design he gets when he goes into the big collider,
where he's all glitchy and like taboo esque.
And it's so I the fact like I knew the spot was beforehand and he's like the biggest joke
villain that Spider-Man has and he is still kind of a joke here.
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And like even I think the fact that he isn't like a super terrifying serious guy, but he's
just so committed right now to like ruining his life is kind of scarier.
Yeah, he's not super like his voice isn't really imposing, but he's just like committed.
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I when I first watched the few first three trailers, I thought the spot was just going
to be like, OK, the opening scene and that's it.
And then they got further into the movie and I'm like, wow, they integrated both villains
insanely well.
Yeah, they're oh yeah, it's.
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And as well at the very end, I want to point out that his design when he kind of reverses
his black and white colors and now he's mostly black with white spots, people are definitely
making the connections between his design and the like the black silhouette of the expectation
sign from the first movie.
Yes.
Which is so interesting.
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Apparently, if you go back and watch the movie, there's like when Miles is like first web
slinging or something like he crashes into the ground and the numbers like I don't know
if he crashed into a sign or something, but there's just 42 next to it.
Yeah, I saw that too.
Yeah, just the the little the his spider, his when he got bit by the spider and he like
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his spider sense adjusts to the Peter of that world.
Yeah, yeah.
It changes from frowler colors to Spider-Man colors.
It's so cool.
It's so it's so excellent in literally every single way.
And we probably need to cut this off as soon as possible before we go on for an hour.
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Last thing, the music.
Oh, I didn't pay a lot of attention to it.
I'm going to be honest, but you go off.
Okay, first of all, the music in the first movie was my favorite part.
I have cousins that hate the first movie and they hate it because of music.
I have no idea why.
Anyways, music in this was great.
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I unfortunately, the like entire soundtrack made by the rappers or whatnot is not as good
as the first one.
And I don't think I'm alone in that.
I know Jagjit doesn't like the fact that there's no post Malone.
Yeah, I'm also disappointed that there's no post Malone, but they announced who was working
on it beforehand, so I wasn't expecting anything.
But there was nothing as catchy as Sunflower and there was nothing as hitting hard as
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What's Up Danger.
And now I am expecting that in the second one, and I am hoping that there's something
like What's Up Danger.
I know in the first one as well, but I like for the last couple days have not been able
to get like the Spider-Man theme.
It's just been like repeating in my head over and over again.
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I have Spider-Man 2099's theme stuck in my head because it's a little bit similar to
the Prowler theme, but it's like the almost hard synth.
Yeah.
Good, good, good stuff.
That's so cool.
I love how droney the music can get in these.
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Probably not something I would listen to outside of the context of the movie.
Yeah, me neither.
Say like I would with like a Danny Elfman Spider-Man theme from the original three movies.
But in the context of the film, it's so good.
The other kind of fun thing is that at the end of the movie when the evil Miles or Prowler
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Miles is revealed, they just do the Prowler theme, but in reverse.
It's so good.
I don't remember that at all.
I guess on the second watch you'll have to listen.
I got to go back as soon as possible.
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I don't know if it's just me, but I made a connection between this and No Way Home.
You know in No Way Home that they use the Tom Holland Spider-Man theme like way too much.
And it's like unnoticeably way too much.
In this one, they use Miles' theme a lot, but it does have a little bit better use.
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Because I watched a video essay about it and it was like, oh,
they use it when they're important quote unquote canon events in the story.
Or important story beats to Spider-Man.
So I think they use it a lot better.
I also think Miles' theme is less like operatic or theatrical as most other Spider-Man themes.
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So it doesn't really intrude as much as a big theatrical or Crestrick Spider-Man theme would.
And also as much as I really love No Way Home on the first watch through,
I am willing to bet this is like the way they handled the cameos in this is so, so much better.
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They were surprising to a degree that made me happy, but also like I think you could take
every cameo out of this movie and replace it with just like how Spider-Man looks.
Just like the red and blue Spider-Man and they would be perfectly fine.
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Yeah. It wouldn't take away nearly anything from the movie.
Like as much as Childish Gambino, Prowler, or Miss, I want to say Miss Quan from Venom.
As much as those are nice, like they aren't, they don't pause for applause.
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Yeah, exactly.
One last thing about the music.
Right at the very end, right before credits roll and they're doing kind of like the last theme
and the last hurrah, they're teaming up right before they go into the portal.
They actually are playing the theme of the movie.
I think it's Miles's theme or just like the Spider-Verse theme.
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And it's different from the, I think it's almost the same one from Into the Spider-Verse,
but they added drums from Gwen and they actually had some like the Spider-Man India Bollywood music
or whatever they use there in the theme mixed in.
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I didn't hear any like hard rock or anything for a Hobie, but maybe on second watch I'll hear it.
But they mixed a bunch of the characters into one. It was so cool.
And yeah, I feel like a good last note to end this on is like the last shot of the movie close to
where they have like their new Spider team, like the Spider Strike Force or whatever,
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of all the characters we've kind of like known from the last two movies.
It's like the most hype thing ever.
It is. I'm so glad they're like bringing some of the ones from the first one back.
I didn't see like noir explicitly or...
Oh, he has noir.
In the final little group, in the final shot.
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There was so much going on. I couldn't look at them.
Yeah, they have Spider-Ham and Spider-Man noir in that group, which is good.
Because I would hate to see them get sidelined.
The ones I was looking for was Penny Parker. And when she showed up in that one part,
it's like everybody has to go through this and she revealed herself with like a slightly new art style.
I'm like, why does she look so depressed? And then I realized that the first time we saw her,
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she probably didn't go through any canon events. And knowing her comic,
holy crap, she went through a lot.
I actually don't know anything about that comic.
Okay, after a recording, just go look it up. It's so depressing.
That's kind of fun.
I also hope with Spider-Man noir, they pay off the Rubik's Cube.
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Ooh, fair enough. He, I don't know, he completed it.
Does something with it. Yeah. Gives it back, uses it as a weapon, whatever.
Yeah. Maybe he like, I don't know. I can't even think of.
Maybe he can paint or something. There is too much to say in the span of an episode.
(33:31):
Fair enough.
Yes, that's proper English.
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