EP 38 Pam Hall

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Intro/Outro (00:02):
Let's drop the green flag on this episode of
the talent tank podcast withyour host Wyatt Pemberton
bringing you the best, fastest,most knowledgeable personalities
and ultra4 and off road racing.

Wyatt Pemberton (00:20):
All right, all right. All right, here we go
back in the talent tank. We goon this installment as you guys
clicked on your like, Pam Hall.
I know who Pam Hall is. She'scurrently announcing the
ultra4's live show. We see heron TV with miles on the computer
miles we see on Facebook,Instagram a little bit, but we
don't know much about her.

(00:41):
Today, we're going to find out.
Pam Hall, Pam Hall. Pam, welcometo the show.

Pam Hall (00:46):
Hi. Hi. Thank you for having me.

I'm so excited about this. So long story short
story, I don't know. But I'msitting in an RV in Oklahoma
with miles hostap his wife frompelicans named Bailey Haskins,
Bailey, and one of hergirlfriends, Sam, and we're
sitting there and we're watchingthe live show because it was it
was Friday. It was damn cold.
No.

Pam Hall (01:08):
Yes, it was freezing cold. It was went from hot to
cold.

And they're like, why? Who's who's Pam?
Like, well, you know, what's thestory on this on this chick? And
I'm like, man, to be honest withyou. I really don't know much
about Pam. I've met you in theUltra4 media, media tent, at
King of the Hammers. And youwork the media tent? Taking care
of?

Pam Hall (01:28):
Yes.

How many? How many photographers were there
this year? Like 400?

Pam Hall (01:32):
Oh, gosh, usually there's over 450 photographers,
media videographers that we haveto check in every single year.
This year, there was more sowell over 450 this year, but in
the past, it's been always overthat 400 mark.

So that was where I met you. And you're just
kind of keeping all the You'relike a shepherd herding all the
cats all around.
And I was like, Oh, she'simpressive. Like you were really
impressive. You kind of had acommanding presence. And then
next I know, I see you doing thelive show. And then so these
girls that I'm with in the RV,we're watching like Who is she?
Like, you know what? Maybe Ineed to have her on that came up

(02:08):
to the Nitto trailer to theNitto lounge. And

Pam Hall (02:12):
yes, and they're not something that allowed you to
get this warm,

and they're not paying me for this. So Nittos
not paying.

Pam Hall (02:18):
Me neither.

Right. We're off the clock and I come in
there and you know, sit downwith you and miles and I watched
it for a little bit. And then Icame back on Saturday. And I
thought about I really thoughtlong and hard about let's get
you on The Talent Tank. Let'sfind out who Pam Hall is. So
here you are.

Pam Hall (02:35):
Here I am. Let's let's really find out who I am. Dig
deep and

and you're so

Pam Hall (02:40):
I'm doing this for me.

And you're so bubbly and awesome and full of
energy I have you know can fullysee why you ended up with a
microphone in your handannounced a live show. I think
it's great. I can't wait to hearthe story about how that even
came to fruition. But

Pam Hall (02:53):
oh, it is definitely interesting. But yeah, that's
that media tent, though. I wasalways I was named myself as the
concierge of the media tents.

I think that's a fair statement. Right?

Pam Hall (03:04):
Well, yeah, I was always like checking people in
and making sure they weren'tgood. Emily Miller started
having me, you know, show themthe maps and shuttling So
anyways, we'll probably get intothat more detail, though.

And fixing people's Wi Fi passwords like
this. That's like super secret.
If you guys,

Pam Hall (03:20):
yes,

you have to hand over your device, you guys
can put it and then you hand itback.

Pam Hall (03:25):
There's literally three of us that know that
password myself, Christy, EmilyMiller doesn't even know it. And
then normally the person that isdoing the media in there with us
for the Ultra4 pages. were theonly ones with the passwords for
that.

And you're gonna take that to your grave,
right?

Pam Hall (03:40):
Yes, yes.

All the way.

Pam Hall (03:42):
And they're always giving LeadNav to it seems like
I would always call home to myhusband, hey, help me with
getting leadnav on my device.
And so I'd be giving it to thepeople that needed to know where
to go out to photograph.

And the funny that's not funny. That's the
wrong word. The fun thing Ithink that like what I've
learned about you and know aboutyou is you are a very veteran
seasoned racer, you've got morethan a decade of racing desert
off road racing under your beltand and here you are showing up
in Ultra4 and was like oh, who'sthis new girl?

(04:14):
And you're not

Pam Hall (04:14):
New girl wants to race Ultra4

Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna put the
petition out here with likethrow up flares you know? Send
out flyers you know get a getthe Helo and some drones to drop
flyers over Hammertown and belike, Pam Hall is available has
helmet fire suit will travel.

Pam Hall (04:30):
Yes, I will travel with my fire suit and helmet
always.

Well, I think the way you can spend this is if
you get Travis Waldher and Daveand all that company to let you
you know, actually, you know,it's it's probably more more Dan
Lloyd-Campbell to put amicrophone, you know, into your
helmet and then you can dointerviews on Racecourse, that's
how you should sell this

Pam Hall (04:52):
that would be totally awesome or do you know live in
camp, you know, in car, audio,and have a camera going so you
can go on to theLive show as as you know, we're
racing.

I think this is your angle. We're working on
angle and trying to get you inthere. But no, yes. So you're
doing it. Oh 4400angle for the 4400 right?

Pam Hall (05:15):
Yeah, that'd be smoother.

Save all your teeth get let's shook up, right.
So yeah, you've been racingsince like, 2007. We're gonna go
into that in a little bit andlike how you got indoctrinated
into everything. dust and dirtand off road? You're a mom of a
racer. You have a 12 year oldson, he's a racer?

Pam Hall (05:33):
Yeah, we're Yes. Yes.

Talk about that little dude here in a little
bit. And then you're a patriot?

Pam Hall (05:39):
Yes.

Yeah.

Pam Hall (05:41):
So, and today, my Instagram posts

Ah, I Well, that's what so I told you, you
know, part of doing this kind ofjob, I make sure I do my
homework on you. And I'm like,wow, and we go or headshots to
write what pictures we're gonnause for headshots. And you and I
went back and forth a lot,because you want to make sure
you get the right one. I want tomake sure you get the right one
I want make sure you get onethat you like. So yeah, I have
to you know, e-stalk you slip Sospeak. Don't worry, I have to do

(06:05):
it for the dudes too. So that'sonly it's only kind of awkward.
You know, there you are stalkingCasey Gilbert. And there's
nothing but stuck tractors andor James Cantrell it's just
blown out trailer tires. I mean,you you it's a you in American
flag bikini with a you know, aflag and this chick rocks

Pam Hall (06:26):
couple firearms in my hand. Yeah. That was my fourth
of July post

red blooded

Pam Hall (06:31):
American, and I love the flag. So

your red blooded American Girl, and we're
doing it on today. Today'sElection Day today's. So
everyone's gonna hear this andby? Well, hopefully, you know,
we haven't had some power. Andwe hope Oh, hope there's not
lawsuits.

Pam Hall (06:47):
Did you vote? Did you vote?

I did. I early voted maybe two weeks ago? Yeah,
I would have done it where Ilive in southwest of Houston and
kind of a suburban County. Thatis? Well, I'll tell you right
now, my school district, my kidsschool district is the number
one most diverse school districtin the United States. So if that
tells you, you know, we may be ared state. Or maybe there's

(07:12):
claims that we're going to beblue, but my county is 100%
blue. So it's

Pam Hall (07:16):
Oh, gotcha.

And I do wear my political leanings on my
sleeve. And I do feel like myvote is just a cancelling out of
another vote here in thiscounty. And probably the other
side feels the same way. So

Pam Hall (07:28):
gotcha.

Did you vote?

Pam Hall (07:29):
Oh, of course I went today, I actually went because
we moved here last summer toNorth Carolina from California.
And I registered to vote lastsummer when I got my new
driver's license for here. And Ishow up to vote in my county
today and they can't find me. Sothey proceeded to tell me that I
would have to fill out aprovisional ballot. And my vote

(07:51):
probably won't even count. I wasso upset because I'm like, this
is pointless to vote if I'm not,you know, if it's not going to
show up and you know, count. Sowe left my husband and I we
literally registered the sameday. He was in the right County.
I was in the right County. Butthey put me in the wrong County.
I don't know what happened. Butanyways, so I ended up finding

(08:13):
out where I was registered tovote. And I ended up going and
voting. So now my vote willcount. So it makes me happy.

What? upset.
You're a patriot, and you didthe right roll. I mean, you did
the best thing against all odds.
Right?

Pam Hall (08:26):
Right, exactly. I didn't know I could go online
and find out where I wasactually registered to vote. He
did that. I did not know I coulddo that. So but I did he he
looked it up for me and madesure that he told me exactly
where to go. And I went and Ivoted. So I actually voted twice
a day, but my first one won'tcount.
As I voted.

Well, there you go. So I mean, I think that kind
of matters. At least in my mind.
It matters for what like Kingthe Hammers looks like I've been
told that the permits are pulledlike everything is ready.
There's no chance it doesn'thappen. What I've been told, but
we're all skeptics, right? We'veseen

Pam Hall (09:01):
I'm even skeptical too so

don't be we've seen what they did with COVID
we've seen what the politicalspin on stuff so I know I'm
getting definitely out of mylane in the lane of The Talent
Tank when we're talking aboutCOVID in politics as they

Pam Hall (09:14):
Right

where they go in this country but man i think
that you know couldn't impactimpact a racing impact a lot of
the guys and how they make moneyto go racing to

Pam Hall (09:23):
Oh, exactly. It's not hurting I mean, I don't get
political either. But it's it'shurting everybody not just
businesses and stuff. It'shurting racers all the
businesses actually that have todo with racing to So anyways,
yeah, I'm not a political personmyself. So

but but right but but we go we go vote we do.
We do it. we uphold ourobligation and we go handle
business. That's that's whatthat's what we do. You can count
on usto American flag bikini andthe guns. Awesome. I think
anyone that can pull it off,they should pull that off. I
fully support I fully support.
They're great. They're awesome.

(10:00):
I know a little bit more aboutyou and knew that the type of
person I was gonna deal with aninterview tonight. I was like,
wow, this chicks awesome.

Pam Hall (10:08):
And my husband took those photos.

And he's a photographer. So I and now we're
gonna get into that hairless. Solook, let's talk current affairs
outside of the election stuff.
Okay, we're fresh off Nationals.
We kind of mentioned that, youknow, that's a week and a half
ago, how nationals go for you.

Pam Hall (10:22):
It went great. I actually I was on another event
for two weeks before Nationals.
So I went from one event to thenext. And when I showed up at
Nationals I showed up on Mondayand normally I don't show up
till Thursday. Since I doannouncing with miles I they
don't have me come in tillThursday, because they don't
need us till then in reality,but I showed up. And on Tuesday
morning, I went out and Istarted doing course marking

(10:45):
with JT Taylor. And rusty rustywas also there rescue Travis,
who is normally at the startfinish line. So it was so much
fun to get out on course, and docourse marking because I've
never done that. It got mefamiliar with what the racers
are going to be on. So we'redoing the announcing was easier.
So I actually did that Tuesdayand Wednesday. So it was a

(11:05):
completely different than what Iam used to. But it was super
hot. We're talking about whetherit was it was super hot, like we
were wearing t shirts actuallylike tank tops and shorts, doing
the course marking and then comeThursday cools off, Friday come
qualifying and everyone'sfreezing their booties off. And
we're like layered up have handwarmers in our pockets. You

(11:28):
know, and it's raining. Butnationals was really good. I had
a lot of fun. nitto was awesomefor letting us use their their
lounge to announce it. So itmade it nice and cozy. I had a
blast, I felt more comfortablebecause this was really my only
my third time announcing on thelive show. And so it was easier,
I think, to announce this timebeing on course, doing my

(11:51):
homework. miles is a goodteacher. So he's telling me what
I need to do. So I've been doingmy homework. There's absolutely
that knowing the course isabsolutely imperative and to
have experienced. I think that'swhy people that are our racers
or have race do such a good jobin that role of announcing they
can convey in words, exactlywhat the guy with the helmet on

(12:12):
in the race car is kind of goingthrough at different portions of
the course. So that was reallycool. As cool. You also got to
see the other side and you gotto work with JT a good day with
JJ is better than a bad day withJT so had a great day. It was
awesome. He took me up healthgate, which was one of the
hardest obstacles on the course.
We went up it he has a side byside. And so we were actually

(12:36):
out pre running and not prerunning. We were actually out
course marking. He said he wasgoing up and I said, Well, I
want to get in because hisdaughter had been with him the
whole time. And she went backearly this on the second day.
And it was on loop because therewas a loop and a B loop. And so
when he said he had a free seatand I asked him if I could go
I'm like, heck yeah. So I jumpedright in and put my four point

(12:57):
harness on because he didn'thave a five point but strapped
in tight because it was. I mean,it's hard to explain it. But it
was basically you had to pop upon straight faces and then get
the front end down and then popback up. But a lot of the racers
didn't even use that line duringthe race. I would ask them when
they would come in to interviewwith us. And they didn't use the

(13:19):
line because they were told itwas going to be slower. So when
I saw a video, I think it was arusty rusty.

Unknown (13:26):
Oh my gosh, I was so excited to see that. He did that
he popped right up and he was hewas up in 30 seconds. So that
was that really gnarly

rock ledge when you came out of the creek to the
right, it was a right hand turnand you went straight up at a
3035 degree angle. And it justlooked nasty. Yeah. Yeah, that's

Unknown (13:45):
right. Exactly happy Pappy. But if you stayed to the
left instead of going up youwere you stayed in the creek for
a little bit longer. And thenyou you know, it was a longer
way around. But they said it wasfaster, but I don't I don't know
how fast it was. Actually,

I think rusty said he passed three people
there each time he did it waswhat if I recall correctly? And
then so you write with JT andthen did you wish him happy
birthday? Yes. Always. Every dayis always every day is JT is
happy. Happy birthday, JT. Ihope you're listening to this on
your windshield time. But JT hadhis daughter out there we'll
talk about but you brought upMaddie. Maddie, his 15 year old

(14:21):
daughter. She's. I've met herone other time. But she's
amazing. So she I don't know ifshe was an aspiring
photographer. It just kind ofgot put on but I think she
showed some interest with RhondaHow about photography. And then
the amazing Alan Johnson who wason the town thing just a couple
weeks ago, he loaned her somecamera gear and she went out on
course during the race and thepictures that came back from

(14:44):
that 15 year old girls Iamazing, like

Unknown (14:47):
are amazing. I

killed it. Like she's your professional grade
and 15. So I think I mean, Ithink as a group, entity, a
family, a community, whatevershould you know, I think you
support those who support youand I think we should be like
fostering fostering our youthand and there's some stuff that
you're doing in the future thatI think is awesome along those

(15:09):
lines about fostering the futurebut yeah, I think she's one of
those people that I mean she'sJTS kid we're gonna she's gonna
she's already under the wing ofultra4 so it's a foster whatever
her interests are. Exactly andshe is she's an awesome 15 year
old I had spent time with herout on the course marking and
then also at night we would havedinner like we had dinner at
area 51 there one night and justevery night at dinner she's just

(15:32):
super super awesome to sit andtalk with and then to like
you're saying to see thosephotos that she took I would not
have ever guessed that she tookthose photos like they look like
somebody like Alan or likeyou're saying Rhonda or somebody
that seasons took those photosshe has a great eye and that's
the thing that you as I've donethis show like an Alan can vouch

(15:53):
for us what's your headshot?
Everyone is going to see yourheadshot was attached the
artwork for this that we talkedabout or that's an allen Johnson
white collar publishing pictureAllen Allen took your picture. I
don't remember what event it wasfrom I think it maybe was from a
while but anyway is it he wasAllen take some great headshots
and so he and I, he always playsme when I don't make any money
in this sohe loves what I'm doing. And so

(16:16):
he you know, he's, he's alwaysgood about that. Lana Scott's
another one that always gives megood pictures. But yes, but as
you go through, at least at thispoint, going through all these
other photogs pictures from anevent, I see a style like I can
tell a style I can tell who thephotographer is before I look
scroll up or scroll down onsocial media even see who it
was. I can almost I can't getthem all right all the time. But

(16:38):
majority of the time like I cantell an allen Johnson photo from
just about anywhere now, he'stold me on text these thing
about changing lenses. So if hechanges lenses that may
curveball me and I'll have toreadjust but yeah, yeah, that's,
I love what the photons do. Ireally love it. matita. But
let's back to you. Just coursemarking getting out there,

(16:59):
seeing the course, learning whatit takes to get the event set
up. I mean, it's like Kinghammers is just a smaller scale
about setup. I mean, there wasstill timing trailer, there's
still the media trailer, there'sstill booths. They're still
vendors, there was still foodtrucks.

Unknown (17:15):
Yes. Oh, that was not involved in any of that part.

Now that's okay.

Pam Hall (17:22):
No, it was very interesting, though, to be there
early like I was, because DaveCole, he didn't even I mean,
think he arrived, I think waseither Monday afternoon or
something as when they showedup. So being there from the
beginning of how they set thewhole, you know, national race
up was very cool to see and be apart of, and just the ultra4

(17:44):
family is awesome. I lovehanging out with them and
learning. I mean, I've seen samecourse markings because of being
on the racecourse. But being apart of actually doing it. That
was a blast. Like I hope I toldJT I said, Hey, I'm on board
anytime you need help with that.
So hopefully, hopefully, well,your street cred and your street
cred is going like through theroof right now. Like that's,

(18:05):
like, That's good stuff. And itis part of the homework,
homework and getting, you know,so you know, not just what the
racers are going through. Butyou're starting to learn who the
guys are and what their carslook like, and where they're
from. And so, you know, you'veseen names I know, you've seen
lists and lists and lists andsocial media of guys names. But

(18:26):
now you're actually pressing theflesh and shaking hands and
you're kind of learning who theyare like who they are. Right.
Right. Exactly. I'm trying mybest. Oh, no, you're kidding. I
think you're killing it. That'swhy you were sitting down
tonight. So you you got somereally amazing good news this
week, though. Right? You gotsome really amazing good news
because we're on the we're kindof on the eve of a big race that

(18:47):
goes on once a year south of theborder. Yes. So you want me to
go ahead. Oh, I love your news.
So yesterday, I was driving intown doing my normal mom duties
and grocery shopping and I get aphone Actually, I got a text
message from Julie Boyer, whohas been racing quite a while

(19:11):
herself. And she proceeded toask me to call her so I give her
a call. And she asked me to be apart of her team for the Baja
1000. So I am now going down andracing and driving part of the
Baja 1000 for roughly almost 200miles on the Pacific side,
racing the mill Look at you, ohmy gosh, it's something I've

(19:32):
always wanted to do. My husbanddid it. He won it back in 2011
in our class 10 car, but everysince then, I've always wanted
to race it and when we had ourcandy, I wanted to race it and
it just didn't happen. So to bea part of this is awesome
because literally like she is init for the championship as well.

(19:52):
So it's kind of it's an honor tobe a part of a team that is not
only going for the championship,but it's also all women.

Unknown (20:00):
Drivers very excited

to work for the other drivers.

Unknown (20:04):
Emily Shapiro is one of them. Julie Boyer, myself and
then me Hall. So it's all womenco drivers or co drivers except
me Hall has bones qudra I thinkis how you say his last name. He
is the only male that's actuallygoing to be in the car and it
was just it came down toavailability of everybody. So

(20:25):
pretty much an all female teamwhich is pretty cool. I think
it's pretty cool. It's gonna bea rough ride though.

I think it is.
Wait, you know we go behind thescenes here. What are women do
for like, you guys have racecats. What do women do in a race
car? You see,

Unknown (20:40):
well, I have worn a depends before in a race car and
used it and it was notcomfortable. So I will not be
using it depends. I hear theymake female catheters I've never
not catheter but it's like acup. Yeah, the hose like the
guys. I don't know how thatworks. So I don't know if I'm
going to do that or pee in theseat. So I feel bad for

(21:01):
whoever's after me if I do peein the seat. Well,

I think that happens. I've climbing a seat
that a guy is peed in and satdown and you don't realize it
until it's delayed. It's notlike you immediately get wet.
It's right. It has to seepthrough your fire suit. And by
then you're just you're just hotand wet inside me at that point.
It is disgusting. And but at thesame time. Yeah. I don't know

(21:26):
that there's there's not anotheralternative. I mean, isn't even
guys wearing racecars? It's not.
You know, when it's not if youhave a failure, it's when like,
you will have a failure on yourrace calf.

Unknown (21:39):
It has happened my husband's had it actually
happened to him before. And thenhe comes out with a wet fire
suit. But what sucks about itthough, is you think it's easy
to pee while you're driving init is so not easy. You have to I
mean, you have to be in a speedzone to even try to do it.
Because you can't pee whenyou're going. However fast we'll
be going and you know, bouncingaround. It's not easy. You have

(22:01):
to really think about it.

And walk walk, walk walk. Yep. I never had that
problem. I have no problem goingat speed. No problem. Like, it
just I get I guess that's abenefit. I could you know, is
all it took was just I justthink about it for a second. Get
Started. I continue on with mydrive. And then I'm kind of
like, Okay, I'm kind of done.
And but I've never I've alsonever had I've never had a race

(22:24):
cap failure. But I have steppedon it a couple times. You know
where it hangs on the bottom ofyour boot. Cody Addington had
his on at Nationals. And he wasstanding next to me. And he went
to shake my hand or hug me orsomething. I just reached out
and tried to, like, purposefullyand intentionally try to step on
it. And as soon as you relax, sowhat I was doing, he started

(22:45):
dancing around like don't don'tstep on that.

Unknown (22:53):
Oh, yo, my husband does I gotta tell you this. I know
this is not about me. It's abouthim. But he keeps it on for
quite a while and he'llliterally like keep it on
underneath his shorts, or pantsor whatever he has on so he can
just still hang around and havea beer after the race and not
even worry about going pee. Oh,well sit there and stare at you
talking up?

Absolutely.
Absolutely. Yeah, you just dig alittle little hole with your
with your toe. Just kind of kickit like a like a dog or cat
covers there. You just kind ofkick some dust over it. And
yeah, it's like time cathetertalks, you know? Awesome. So
yeah, you so you're driving themill that's coming up and you're

(23:31):
going down? Are you gonna prerun your section a bunch? Or
what's kind of the plan aroundmatter? Do you guys have that
figured out yet?

Unknown (23:39):
Well, literally, this came about yesterday. I am now
leaving Tuesday as in a weekfrom today I'm going to go down
actually I'm going to find aBakersfield where I used to live
because that's where the boilerslive as well. And I will will be
leaving on Wednesday. So a weekfrom tomorrow we'll leave for
the thousand will pre run. I'mnot sure if we're gonna appear
on Thursday, Friday, Saturday,exactly what the plan is. But

(24:03):
we're going to get down therepre run. And then I'm just going
to stay down there after we prerun. And then the rest of the
team will be down in two weeks.
And we'll check the car and getour IVs because actually Julie
Boyer does the finish line IVs.
So she hydrates the drivers. Sowe'll get hydrated. And yeah,

(24:23):
I'm excited about that, becauseI don't want to be racing
dehydrated. The rest of the teamwill come down and then I'll
come home after the thousands ofI love adventure. And I have
this mug that says say yes tonew adventures. And this is a
new adventure and I'm superexcited about it. Sucks. My You
know, my husband's not gonna begoing but I'm going racing.

(24:44):
Yeah, it's not the first timeI've gone racing without him.
Right.

And from a guy's perspective is how many
times do we go racing withoutour spouses or like, Hey, I'm
out here sometimes very happywith it sometimes or not, but I
love that you brought up thehydration and getting the IV
When the team Indiana guys we'regonna go race Vegas to Reno back
in August. We were on a textchat and I was like, dude, you
guys need me you know sign ifyou're going to even if you're

(25:10):
not going to go hit mucho massurveyss the night before, you
should probably still get the IVit I mean, it's, you know, on on
a hot race in a hot race car.
Oh, man. I mean, yeah, we saw amistake that happened at at
Nationals. And I don't know ifit was, I believe was fatigue. I
mean, I actually didn't have Inever asked him about it. But
Josh Bleiler nationalchampionship, he's in the

(25:31):
running from national title.
It's endurance racing. So it'snot just keeping the car
together it's keeping youphysically mentally in the right
place to make the rightdecisions. And he missed driving
over one of the timing loops andhad to do B loop again, I think
is how it worked out. And that'show Miller wins Nashville and

(25:52):
and part of that is stayinghydrated and the first thing to
go when you get the higher isvision and thought and your
thought process you start yourmind starts wandering and you
make mistakes and sometimesthose are costly like you want
up a car and times are costly.
You lose nationals, you'd losethe national. Yeah, that was a
bummer. That's awesome, though.

(26:14):
So she does that.

Unknown (26:15):
She does that she actually was the one of you
Vegas Reno doing those IVs

also, then that's probably who Jonathan
tahune and in company got theirIVs from

Unknown (26:23):
Yeah, more than likely because it's her that she's
building a business on and it'syou know, I never heard of it.
And then the last time I racedto Vegas, Reno myself was I
believe 2008 teen and she wasthere doing them and I failed to
get one and I should havebecause I myself got a little
dehydrated. Vegas. Reno is myfavorite race to actually drive.

(26:44):
So, so far I felt Yeah, it's thebest race. It's the best race in
North America. Well it inAmerica.

Yeah. I'm with you. I like I like the fire
roads. It's just so dusty. Andit's the first week of August.
It's so hot.

Unknown (27:00):
It's just it is ridiculous. hot it is. I've
heard rumor. They might switchit up this year, next year and
go from Reno to Vegas.
I'll be back.
I don't know who I heard it frombut oh my gosh, if that. That
would be awesome. A lot ofpeople have always said they
need to do that. And if theyactually do it, how super cool.
Would that be end in Vegas andparty in Vegas afterwards? I'm

(27:23):
done.

Yeah, I mean, Reno's nice to party in but
Vegas is Vegas. So do you changethe name as RTV?

Unknown (27:32):
I would have to? I would hope so.
I don't know. I don't know.

Pam Hall (27:38):
Well, well, let's, let's go. Let's let's get the
flashback doin let's get backinto who Pam Hall is and find
out about you. So you, you wereborn in Elk City, Oklahoma,
which really isn't that far fromDavis, where we raised was maybe
an hour, hour and a half. Butprobably about an hour and a
half hour and 45 minutes. It'son the I 40. It's in western

(27:58):
Oklahoma. I was born there along time ago. But my dad was
born there as well. So my familywas from that area, or my dad's
side of the family was from thatarea. And then when I was seven
years old, my parents my dad'sfamily, we they sold the family
farm that we lived on. And wemoved to California where my
mom's family was from. So Ilived the next 35 years in

(28:20):
California, and then up andmoved to North Carolina last
year with my husband and mychild and Yeah, got away from
the west coast. But yeah,Oklahoma. I know we've been back
a few times. I really do. Idrive through there I've never
lived i like i like partyingOklahoma like it seems like I'm
always recreating there. It'slike between Grand Lake on the
water growing up as a kid orgoing to Disney Oklahoma with

(28:43):
rock crawling or going to Sayerfor like dirt Riot or going to
Davis for you know, ultra4 orgoing to little Sahara to the
dunes.

Oklahoma has a lot of offroad and outdoor
activities. Surprising. Yeah.
Yeah, it does. I'm learning allabout it. And I guess there's a
what mid America is anotherAssociation? Yes, that well.
We're gonna be there next July.
Are we gonna be there? Bringhim. I want him to race it. So j
Oklahoma. It's next July. Ithink chip brought this up a

(29:15):
little bit we're talking aboutit's apparently an eight day off
road outdoor festival. Andultra4's are gonna be there. Or
at least there's a spot for him.
I don't think it's a nationalspoint only as a national point
race, but I think it's kind oflike they're gonna have it set
up like a Crandon. I can be offon that, but it's not on our
schedule. It's not no, Davepurposefully intentionally took
me and introduced me to Jasonthat is doing it so I'm, I'm

(29:38):
excited for it. I'm lookingforward to what they pull off
there. But yeah, a lot of stuffgoing on in Oklahoma. But you
live in on me. niebo niebo nivoIt's a super small town. I know
we don't have a stoplight. Ohwait, no. We have one stoplight.
And it's in it's like northwestof Charlotte oldways. How long
does it take you over there?

Unknown (29:58):
It takes me about an hour and a half. half to get to
Charlotte well to the airportanyways, but I live on Lake
James. So Lake James is a biglake here that we found five
years ago fell in love with theplace moved here but niebo is
what our town. We're ourtownship is, but I'm on the cusp
of morganton, which is a biggertown. Okay, so I usually say I'm

(30:21):
from morganton, not niebo.
Because niebo is like, Where'sniebo?

A dot?

Unknown (30:25):
It's kind of like, Where's randsburg?

Right? So how did you how did you get you in
Christian find? Find morgantonand then just say, we're
punching out of California andgoing all the way for timezones
different,

Unknown (30:39):
right?

How does that how does that happen to walk
walk us through that? I'mfascinated?

Unknown (30:45):
Well, we always knew we wanted out of California, we
just didn't know where we wantedto go. So we actually had
traveled with some friends toIdaho, and stayed there for like
a week and my best friendactually lives in Texas. And so
she at the time, she lived inDenton, Texas. And I was going
back and forth, probably everythree months visiting her and I

(31:06):
told Kristen, I'm like we haveto move to Texas. Like we can
move to Texas, we can have land.
You know, we can have a nicehouse like we have a nice house
in California but land where wewere was just outrageously
expensive. So we had some otherfriends that the wife is
actually from North Carolina.
She was born and raised here.
She moved to California. She wasmarried to a movie star moved to

(31:26):
California but remarried one ofour friends. They finally got us
to come out and visit them here.
So they had a little tinytrailer on in an RV park on the
water. So we came in, visitedand stayed for four days. The
other four days of our trip, wewere going to Texas because
that's where I wanted to move.
And we absolutely fell in lovewith it so much that when we

(31:48):
were in Texas, we were there forlike one day and I turned to
Krishna, I said, we're notmoving here. We're moving to
North Carolina. So literally twoweeks later, we bought a tiny
home, which is a park model.
It's 400 square feet. It waswithin the RV park, but it's
like a cabin. So we bought it sowe could vacation here. So we
came every summer for twomonths, because of the business

(32:08):
that we had. We were able toleave it for roughly a month and
a half to two months everysummer. And we knew right away,
we wanted to move here. So likeI said two weeks after we
visited we bought that place. Weshowed back up here three other
times within that same year,started looking for property and
it took us three years to findproperty and to decide how to

(32:28):
get rid of the business that wehad. Because he was a
photographer owned a studio for20 something years and you know,
we had a very well establishedbusiness there. And that's we
work together so yeah, anyways,but we moved here. Love it. Hank
loves it. He has property theright is derbycon he's made new
tracks. We have a like almost a10 acre pasture that I hop on

(32:52):
the tractor and I bush hog itbecause that's the way we mow it
here. Yeah, right. Takes me sixhours on a tractor to do but we
can. We're not my tan. No, Iwear a boat hat like like the
big like shade hats because Idon't want a tank top tan. So
after I'm done doing that thenext day we'll go out on the
lake and then I'll get myregular tan.

So like you don't want like the white trashy
one you want like the bikinione? Yeah, like there's right
there's

Unknown (33:19):
just making friends.

I mean, I I should have known the
difference, but Dude, I didn't Ido know why like, but I
wouldn't. Yeah, I guess thatwould be different. If you see
like a girl with like a tank toptan with a bikini on like so
it'd be Yeah. Red, or tan, whiteand then the strap and that
would be Yeah, that'd be prettytrashy actually, that might

(33:43):
actually that might turn someguys on I might be the thing I
would but

Unknown (33:48):
no, we were off the races so much because of my kid
that I used to get tanktop tansbecause of being batteries track
all the time, like, everyweekend. So now now I don't have
to worry about it. We go out onthe lake and the hubby takes me
to this island that we all hangout on and I get me a regular
tan.

Perfect. So so you You said your dad was from
Oklahoma. And then when you guysmoved to California. So in your
mom and dad, I think I think youlost your dad last year. Is that
right?

Unknown (34:19):
I did. I did. Yeah, sorry. We moved here. It's okay.
I you know, I'm actually it'ssad. I miss him. And this year
on Father's day I woke up. Iwoke up going I can't forget to
call my dad today. And then Irealized I was like, I can't
like he's not here. So he toldme last summer when we the day
we were leaving. He said Whenare you coming back to

(34:40):
California. I said I'll be herein September. Hank has a race
because we're flying back andforth. And he said I won't be
here so he knew he knew. Butwith COVID and the election and
everything. It's better off mydad is not here because this
would have been driving all ofus bonkers because he was
getting Alzheimer's. So I'msorry. That's rough.

Yeah. No. And then your mom is like a super
strong individual.

Unknown (35:06):
She is she has she has a lot of health issues. But
she's super strong. She'sstaying with us and not staying
with us here in North Carolina.
But she just she's not ready togo anywhere. She wants to see
your grandkids growing up andbut she has osteoporosis. So her
back is broken like six placesand won't ever heal. And yeah,
yeah, it's just, you know, I'velearned I've learned by family

(35:27):
members and watching my parentsof don't smoke. Don't you know,
just take care of myself. Sothat's what I do. I try to do my
best. Butno smoke. Yeah, don't smoke.
Don't smoke. Yeah.
Exercise.

You preaching to the choir, I need to do more
of exercising. I need to losesome weight. My diabetes doctor,
I had an appointment last week.
And I like, yeah, you need to dothese things. Ah,

Unknown (36:00):
yeah, it's hard. It is.
It is hard. But my mom is asuper strong individual. She's
She's definitely been here forme for my whole entire life,
obviously, but she's just superstrong. And she's the kind of
person that goes doesn't carewhere she has no filter, and
she'll tell you what she thinksand

made you who you are.

Unknown (36:23):
Yeah, yeah. And she's just she's always been a hard
worker. But she just thestrength that she has to keep
carrying on with the healthissues that she has alone tells
me what kind of person she is.
And I just, that is the hardestpart of being so far away. And
living in North Carolina was2700 miles away from my mom is

(36:44):
like the hardest thing I likesometimes will stand at my
counter and all of a sudden Ijust break out in tears because
I think to myself, I can't justdrive over and see my mom, and
it's the weakest part of herlife. So next week, she doesn't
know it yet. But next week, whenI go to California before we
leave for Mexico, I'm actuallygoing to show up and surprise
her so nobody knows I'm comingexcept the person I'm racing

(37:06):
with and my family here. So I'mjust going to show up and
surprise her.

Or she'll listen to this on Monday morning
which is everyone else's

Unknown (37:18):
I'm not going to share it yet until I get there.

There you go.
There you go. Well, you know shesounds like the type of
individual like when you runacross them in life and you
realize like how good they arelike you always keep them close
to you You keep them in yourback pocket here. We all have
friends that we've collectedfriends because we just jive
with them that well and we feelthat good based on our own
individual criteria that theyare these amazing individuals so

(37:41):
we keep them closer your momsounds like one of those people.
She is she is definitely that isawesome. So your dad not with us
anymore but he is kind of one ofthe reasons you kind of were
probably ended up with Christianyour husband because he
Motorsports he. Your dad was acircle track racer.

Unknown (38:01):
My dad was a struggle truck racer growing up so I
living in Oklahoma, he used torace at a track in Altus,
Oklahoma, and it was a circletrack. It was a pavement track
at the time now it's dirt but Iused to that's where I spent my
Saturday nights when my dad wasracing. I just remember going
going and watching my dad raceand then watching my mom be like

(38:22):
crewchief kind of like I am tomy son's racing watching that
and then when I moved toCalifornia he he still raced and
he did circle track there aswell but on the dirt and then
growing up you know the wholeracing everything. So my husband
is desert off road My dad wascircled tracks so I just

(38:44):
naturally was I guess attractedand had a lot in common with
Christian because of the racing.
I didn't really know him beforeso I didn't race a lot. Like I
didn't go to any desert racesuntil after I actually married
him to be hot. Oh no, no, wewere dating when I first raced
with him but that's

but you were already kind of like you already
kind of had one leg in the ratioor anything like cuz sometimes
it's hard to you know, explainYeah, relationships maybe never
even get off you know thatthey're on the right foot
because the guy is always in theshop and the the girl a
girlfriend where it feels likeshe's competing with the racecar

(39:24):
I'm competing with the shop timeand all those are competing with
right or they're always gonnaplay second fiddle to that and
that's and then there'ssomewhere that they are already
in that they're like, you didn'tknow any better.

Unknown (39:35):
Now No, I did. I actually my mom has pictures of
me from when I was a kid and mydad was working on a truck or
something. And I'm like next tomy dad like I was the tomboy of
the family. Well, I guess wewere all tomboys because we
lived on a farm but I was late.
My parents tried one more timefor a boy and they got me. So I
have two older sisters, but Iwas the one who like went into
the racing side of it. So I It'sjust kind of cool to like, look

(40:00):
back at pictures and see my dadworking on cars and I'm right
next to them or the race cars. Iremember him taking me taking me
for a drive down. We had a dirtroad in Oklahoma that we lived
on. And I remember him taking mefor a drive in his race car. And
that was so much fun. And Ithink I was probably five, maybe
four or five years old when thathappened. And I just still

(40:22):
remember that. And that's thelove of speed and race cars, you
know, has always been there withme. And then when Christian
throws me in his car, hey, youwant to drive my race car? I'm
like, sure. And that was it. ButI also grew up with this girl
named Amber, her brothers, KevinHarvick. And so I grew up

(40:43):
actually going as when we wereyounger, I would go to his go
kart races with her and herfamily. And then as he got
older, and he started racing,bigger cars, we would go out and
watch him on Saturday night. SoI've always been around the
racing world. I no longer speakwith Kevin Harvick, but, I mean,
he is who he is. Everybody knowswho he is. I definitely I missed

(41:06):
those Saturday nights at theracetracks watching people race
and like, well, I guess I see mykid do it, but it's just
something I grew up doing. It'smy life. And so it's why I love
racing so much, and people don'tget it, but it's just been my
whole life.

We're gonna mix it up a little bit and kind of
kick it out a little a littlebit out of order. So we've
talked about Christian and wetalked about Hank a little bit.
So. So Christian, you andChristian, you've been married
for how many years now?

Unknown (41:36):
It'll be 13 years on November 17. And I think that's
the day Vol. 1000 is no, it'sthe week I'll be in Baja on our
anniversary. Happy anniversary.

Poor guy you're out ripping it. I mean, no love.
That is true love. And, andChristian. He's a professional
photographer. Yes, he

Unknown (41:56):
did that for 20 something years when moved here.
He packed it up and said, I'mdone. And he's not doing it
anymore.

So how did you guys meet? How did that friend
mutual friend set you guys up?

Unknown (42:07):
Yeah, mutual friends didn't set us up. We were just
at a house party. And we just,you know, you know when you
know. And so we had aconnection. And then I actually
worked for him for five or sixmonths and then we decided to
give it a try. And then we wereinseparable. So the day we got

(42:29):
married, I got fired. I stillhad to run the studio for him

Pam Hall (42:35):
for less pay. I didn't get a paycheck.

Unknown (42:39):
Actually, I didn't get a paycheck. He paid me and
racecars. Yeah,

yeah. Which I've seen some. So again, I saw
a video of it was a Saturn itwas you guys had a little two
door, Saturn. And I want to saylike, what did he do? He put
like McDonald's trays orsomething or plastic pipe or
some form of rear tires. So it'sbasically like a two wheel drive
drift car.

Unknown (43:04):
It was okay. So in Baker's car. Well, yes, it had
to be front wheel drives. But inBakersfield at Kern County
Raceway, they were starting askid pan class. And so we were
racing. It was a class. So thewhole thing was the car had to
be no more than $500. Soliterally Christian, being

(43:24):
Christian, because he can finddeals. Even if they're not out
there, he can find a deal. So hefinds three front wheel drive
cars at a junkyard that actuallystill ran. And he purchased all
three of them for 1100 bucks. Sowe had three skid pan cars, we
had one that we'd let peopledrive. And like we'd have
friends, hey, come out for theweekend and have fun. And then

(43:45):
he would drive one and I woulddrive one. And then they put
steel plates. I don't know howthick they were on the rear
wheels. They took the tires offthe rear wheels, and they welded
them to the weld to the wheels.
And then they put chains to thecar. So they wouldn't fly off.
And then you had a skid pan, andthey had to be front wheel
drive. But I kind of got messedout of the whole deal because

(44:07):
mine was a stick shift. Youcould not have a stick shift and
do a skid pan. It just didn'twork. Right. So anyways,
Christian ended up becoming thetrack champion. Oh, really?
Yeah. But that was so much fun.
We would we would, you know,play around at our shop on our
concrete pad that we had thereat our race shop to like, make

(44:28):
sure the car was working rightand stuff. But the best part
about it was the track is theone who did all the work on
them. They ended up putting thepartial roll cages in them. They
put all the skid pan stuff onthem and they housed the car so
we didn't have to do anything tothem. Holy smokes.

I saw that I was like, I just want to do one
just to you know, mess aroundwith them in my neighborhood,
you know are out in front of myshop and just to mess around
with and then No, it's a series.
Oh, wow. I'm gonna manually comehere. I bet there's idiots
around here that do that too.
And I've done my typing I'veseen that I've seen videos. I've
seen that. Yes, I actually haveseen that part. Okay, yeah, it's

(45:08):
not as fun. I just looks like alot of mess.

Unknown (45:12):
It is because they make it a mess. Because you put beer
cans and like empty cans andstuff in the door. And then when
you turn, everything flies out,so you're trying to mess with
the person behind you.

Pam Hall (45:25):
Just Just dump and dump and stuff out on the track.
And then, and then you guys, youguys have an amazing son Hank,
he's 12. Yeah. And yeah, youguys are bringing him up, right?
He's racing. And he basicallyfrom watching he everything,
everything that has a wheel anda motor. He is he is all into.
So tell us about that. Yes.
Okay, so he started racing atfive years old. We bought him a

(45:46):
trophy cart for Christmas. Hewas actually five and a half. We
bought him a trophy carts, whicha lot of people know what those
are. They raced with Lucas Oiloff road like the off road and
the regionals. And he couldn'tactually go race until he was
six years old with Lucas Oil.
But at the time, funny story,Julie Boyer, who I'm racing with

(46:07):
at the thousand, she had aseries called for racing, and it
was at Glen Helen. She invitedus down to go race with her
series. And so Hank had hisfirst race when he was five and
a half years old. And he justnon stop from there. Once he
turned six. We went to LucasOil. He raced that for, I don't
know, like four years, I thinkit was four or five years. He

(46:31):
went from a junior one class toa junior two, which is just the
same car different motor size,started in circle track. Once we
put him in circle track, ittotally changed his offroad
style. They helped each otherlike his driving style from one
to the other. Just it just fromsliding in the circle track to
going in taking the corners andLucas Oil. It just it taught him

(46:54):
a lot. It melded well. Exactly.
And then he went into abandolero at 10. So he's 12 now
so at 10, we got my bandolero,which is like a miniature NASCAR
style, they can go upwards intolike the 70 mile per hour feed.
And once we put them in that hepodium, his first race and it
was very nerve wracking becausehe's racing against kids that

(47:16):
are going for championships andthey're seasoned racers, and
they're like three years olderthan him. But he ended up
podium, he was third placesfirst race. We pushed and pushed
and pushed and he wanted to wina championship. So 2019 of
course, the year that we movedto North Carolina is the year we
go for a championship. So heended up winning three

(47:38):
championships in 2019. So I wonthe West Coast national
championship, the state ofCalifornia and then Kern County
raceways track championship. Andthen he got third place in the
national touring points becausewe went to so many different
tracks. So we were those crazyparents that year, but it was
all for him. He got his Hoosierspurple jacket that he wanted.
There's a champion jacket thatWho's your does, and yeah, but

(48:00):
now and he also raises an RS onewhenever we can. Which is
obviously we all know that's asingle seat 1000 cc, Polaris RS
one for adults, but the kids arestarting to race them now. And
he went in 2000 I think it was2019. Before we moved here he
raised at the UTV WorldChampionship in Laughlin in a

(48:21):
exhibition class to see if theRS one with a restrictor in it
would be competitive towards thePolaris 570. Matt Martelli. They
all knew, you know, hisexhibition class. We're trying
it out to kids, my son and thenJustin Lambert's kid Jackson.
They were the only two that ranRS one in the 570 class start

(48:42):
dead last out of 30 somethingcars. My kid passed every single
car and one overall in thatrace. So he passed 30 something
cars in one. And he came in withtears in his eyes because he
knew he had just passed everysingle car. But exhibition, it
wasn't recognized. We all knewthat going into it. He knew that

(49:03):
going into it. But he still didthat interview with Tiffany
stone up on stage and dideverything and was so happy and
so pumped. But we didn't get togo back this year. So we could
redeem it right here. Such abummer, but actually I was at
the rebel rally I was workingthe rebel rally during it so I
wasn't we weren't we didn't goYeah, I'm trying to get him in
ultra4 though. I want him to bean ultra4 racer. So all we have

(49:26):
to do is build this Rs one upfor ultra4 then talk to elite
leave I surely has a line onsome fake IDs because I was
getting ready to talk aboutwe're gonna talk about a Hank
Hall. Well, he turns 18 thisyear. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it'll
be it'll be 18 for the February2021 race. Yeah, exactly. That's
exactly how that's how thatworks. We just put it out there

(49:49):
and it makes it makes it real.
It's not 1218 Yeah, I missed

my notes wrong.
My note my notes. Oh,

Unknown (49:58):
yeah. 18 Yeah. I mean, I'm old enough that I couldn't
have an 18 year old.

I'm old. I don't know, I didn't go do the
math. I'm really terrible withit. So

Unknown (50:08):
I'm older than a lot of people think. So. It's a good
thing, I guess.

So you guys, you moved to North Carolina.
That's basically the offer notoffered racing. But it is the
honor of racing kind of Mecca ofthe world, you guys are kind of
there in the dig. So is incircle track is really big
there. So you see that beingsomething of a future for Hank
being something in that part ofthe world,

Unknown (50:29):
it would be nice and he would like that. But in the
reality and the scheme of thewhole entire picture, to become
you know, even ARCA racer, youhave to come in with a lot of
money for that. And some peopledo get sponsors. But honestly,
we're not pushing like we did onthe west coast. We came here to

(50:52):
chillax a little bit. And if youwant to put it if I were to put
it that way, he does race butjust not like we did there. So
we are actually right now in theworks of trying to figure out
for 2021 do we want to get ridof his circle track car and just
focus on whatever we can withhim and off roading because they
do have some offroadassociations here. But as they

(51:12):
call it, they're racing in thesticks. So we had to put rock
guard or tree guards on thetires. So he doesn't totally get
tangled up in a tree, hopefully,but that's what we're working on
right now trying to figure outwhat we're doing for 2021
because we're self funded raceteam. We're not

Pam Hall (51:28):
and that's fair. I mean, look at what happened you
know, just look at what happeneda nationals look at what happens
the last couple, you know,hammers look at guys like Eric
Miller, look at guys like Josh,nobody is faster in tight rocks
and trees than Josh plyler.
Like, and Eric Miller's has toreal catch up to him. So anyone
that's riding on Josh'scoattails on that and it's those

(51:51):
guys, and they're so fast, andthe rocks are so fast, and the
trees the tight stuff. So it'sbecause they grew up doing it,
you know, the those guys runningthe line mountain series. That's
all they know. So if you raiseHank for the next he does a
bunch of tight, you know, treeraces in North Carolina for the
next four years or five years.

(52:12):
And he shows up at over four,all of a sudden, he's he already
has it like he understands Yeah,getting those things ruins your
day. Right, exactly, exactly. Iknow. And like we, Hank, and I
stopped actually in Louisiana asthree power sports and we set
and we talked with Dustin Jones,Dustin Jones, we all know has,
you know, raised the king of thehammers in his County, um, and

(52:33):
we were talking and it's allabout you know, he that's how he
grew up racing. And so grew upracing, you know, in the sticks,
and whatever, you know, is goingon back here on the East Coast,
and you go to the west coast inthe desert, and that's why
they're so fast because theydon't have to wiggle their way
through trees. They now have astraight line desert that they
can just haul you know, haul butand go fast. You know, it shows

(52:58):
it's kind of like, you know, howI was saying how Hank went from
circle track and off road and itchanged his driving style is
kind of like it coincides witheach other and makes them a
better driver. Well, I mean,that's hunter Miller, Hunter
Miller, yeah. UTV. he's a he's ahe's a Woods guy from here in
Texas. And he came out to KingHarrison, first time racing

(53:18):
ultra4 first time making thehammers and he wins the UTV
race.

background, I think, you know, hammers
definitely favored in the earlydays. hammers favor the guys
that recreated in the hammersall the time, right. They knew
in the back of our hands, theRandy's Lawson's but now we've
got guys like, well, Eric Millerjust wins nationals, they load
up an 18 Wheeler, and theydidn't go back to Maryland, they
went to Johnson Valley, right?
Because they're already halfwayacross the country. Let's just

(53:44):
go ahead and finish out the restof the country. So there are
they're testing, tuning,practicing. And that's what it
is. It's it's the playing fieldis kind of gotten leveled on
those guys that had that tribalknowledge tribal knowledge of
what Johnson Valley was and whatthe trails were and what the
rocks were and all the paths andall the shortcuts well now guys
are doing their homework, butthey're coming at it with a

(54:06):
different set of eyes right thedifferent mindset they're coming
out with this immobile treeimmobile, right that barrier
free entry mindset anyway, andthey're being successful at it.
So it's really cool to see allthese different walks of life
all merge and meld together intowhat's cool for for us become
that. I think doing that now. Metoo. So you got you guys ran the

(54:26):
Christians photography businessfor many years. He had it for
like 20 years. And then butbefore you guys when you guys
first met you were working in apharmacy.

Unknown (54:38):
I did. I was a pharmacy technician. I actually got my
first job at 16 in a grocerystore. I was bagging groceries,
worked my way up into checkingNeumann checkers actually made
decent money back you know, Iwas 18 years old making you
know, 20 bucks an hour as achecker at a grocery store. And
then I went into a customerservice position there of course
because I love to talk and talkto people. And help people. And

(55:01):
so once I was in that I went tothe pharmacy and I was
grandfathered in and have mypharmacy technician license. So
I did that for years beforeChristian's business and before
marrying him and working for himand then marrying him. But now
here in North Carolina and myreal estate license, and

how's it go on?

Unknown (55:21):
I'm on the road a lot.
So yeah. Ha, yeah. how thatgoes.

I fully saw that coming when I saw your real
estate license, like, how doesshe sell houses when she's never
there?

Unknown (55:33):
Yeah. Well, I actually got my license right before
hammers this year. So rightbefore I went, I passed my state
board. And I go to hammers, Icome home. I'm home for what,
two weeks and then i threeweeks, and I left and went to
work the mint 400. I diddriver's registration there for
400. And then Friday, was whenCOVID hit. So in reality, I

(55:56):
haven't had time to build it.
But then again, I've beenbecause the offices were closed.
And it's hard to I mean, really,it's hard

to show a house when people don't want other
strangers touring their house,when you don't know anything
then so. But also, I'll take myneighborhood, how's the house
turnover and you know, they'reselling it's like, it is
completely a seller's marketright now where I'm at because
the the inventory for new homesis apparently really low. I

(56:26):
didn't feel like constructionslowed down during this but it
must be slowed down just enough.

Unknown (56:31):
It didn't slow down here aren't mean our houses,
they don't stay on the markethere. They still are not staying
on the market here for verylong, like within like a week
houses are selling we had almosta $3 million home and the most
expensive home on the lake here.
Well, it was the most expensivehome on the lake. It sold in 10
days, and it was almost $3million. So I came in and bought
a cash. So real estate's moving.

(56:55):
I just I'm not home. I mean, I'mreally not home I show property
when I can but otherwise I'm nothome. I'm quite enjoying being
on the road to be honest withyou.

Being a offered mom race mom, and just this in
general offered personality likeyou are a offroad personality at
this point. How cool is that?
Yeah, add that to your resume.

Unknown (57:17):
There we go. It's pretty fun, actually.

And then you know, outside that everyone
knows, Mom, housewife. Buthomeschool teacher, you're
teaching Hank at home throughthis, which a year ago I would
give you like a whole bunch ofstreet cred for that like being
like the home teacher, likehomeschool teacher. But it's
like half the country. No threequarters of the country. The
moms are like home schoolteaching now with at least one.

(57:41):
We have a bar to one of themstayed home. He's just doing the
online stuff. It really worksbetter for him. But our
daughter, she had to go back toface to face, but my wife is
now. I mean, she works. Shestill works. 4050 wouldn't pull
some 50 hour weeks lately, butshe's here in the house. But you
know, he's upstairs doing hisstuff on his school stuff. And
she's doing her work stuff. Andthey're just here. So it's the

(58:04):
homeschool mom thing. But you'redoing that and you're obviously
pulling that off. Well, well,

Unknown (58:09):
when I'm not here Christian is doing it also. He's
a good dad. Kind of goodhusband.

He's in the background here.

Unknown (58:18):
Not actually he went to bed lights are out.

Oh, nice.

Unknown (58:23):
Kids hanging out. He's he actually is in there hanging
out with his buddies, but onlike some video game. But he
only gets to do that every oncein a while. No, the whole
homeschool thing is tough. Like,we were super excited about the
the district here in NorthCarolina when we moved here. And
then when covid hit. We didn'teven hear from his school for

(58:43):
three weeks after. And we weresitting here going okay, for
three weeks. We're settingyou're not knowing what's going
on. And then they don't theygive them optional work. And
they end their year with whatgrades they had. So they weren't
very planned. They did. Theydidn't plan very well. So we
actually have them through it'son on track school is what it's

(59:03):
called. And it's actually basedout of California. So his
teachers are all over the UnitedStates. And, and he's done. He's
doing good. He's trying to slackhere and there, but we we stay
on him. We definitely don't wanthim slacking.
He's because no racing. If he'sslacking, he's a teenage boy. Oh
my gosh, I know going on a team.
Yeah, right

and knows everything. Yeah, I've got I've
got one of those. I got one ofthose myself. Yeah. So he's a
good kid though. haulMotorsports. How old is whole
Motorsports at this point?

Unknown (59:35):
13 years old.

Yeah. How? How did Cristian get into off road
racing.

Unknown (59:41):
His dad had a Honda Odyssey I believe is what he had
way back in the day. And he hasa really cool picture actually
of his dad for having fun. AndI'm in the dunes at pismo and in
California. But I think him andhis dad built a class five bug
and they would race it. That'swhat they used to do. Do I
wasn't around when that car wasaround I that was before me. But

(01:00:05):
that's how he got into off roadracing. But he's always been a
dirt biker so he's always renderbikes and he grew up playing in
the desert with his dad andriding and dune buggies and
motorcycles and just transferredinto a cage because he broke his
collarbone one too many times.

Wyatt Pemberton (01:00:23):
With age comes the cage as you giggle Exactly,
exactly.

Unknown (01:00:28):
And with me it just came with a cage i don't i'm
he's bought me a dirt bike, andI don't write it so I'll write
it but not crazy. So yeah, likecages.

You guys started dating. And then so
obviously he introduced you tooffer your you knew the circle
track world. He introduces youto offroad. And then at some
point, he decided to put you ina car. How did that go down?
Yeah.

Unknown (01:00:51):
So we were dating like two months, maybe three months?
And he just, yeah, well, heWell, I had already driven the
car at this point. Like when wewere first dating, I drove the
car. But like three months afterwe were dating, he asked me to
co drive for him. I mean, Ididn't have a kid. I didn't
care, you know, whatever. Let'sgo have fun. So we go and it was

(01:01:12):
when MDR was still around inCalifornia. We went and raced in
Lucerne Valley, which is RonJohnson Valley area, roughest
Racecourse I've ever still haveever encountered. I Khodro for
him. We finished the race. Thatsame year, I was supposed to
race powder puff, and a monthbefore powderpuff. I found out I

(01:01:32):
was pregnant. I didn't think Icould have kids. I was told I
couldn't have kids unless I didin vitro. And so I mean, we
weren't taking any precautions,and I ended up pregnant. So
after I had Hank, he was fivemonths old. The following year,
obviously in 2008, I did thepowderpuff in Barstow and that

(01:01:54):
was my first race I drove and Iended up winning that race. I
did sportsman class, but I mean,I was hooked. I was hooked from
the first time I drove that carwhen we were just dating. But it
everything just transpired afterthat. So we raced in sportsman
for a while and and then weended up getting rid of our
sportsman car and getting a prerunner. It was a pinhole for

(01:02:17):
seat free runner. And we saidOh, we'll just play in this car.
This will be a play car. We'renot going to race anymore. That
didn't happen. We ended upracing that car in sportsman at
like battle at prym and someother races and we said we can't
tear this car up. Like it was apretty car. Like you don't want
to tear it up. So we ended uppurchasing a class 10 car from

(01:02:40):
Penn Hall. And that was in 2011.
We built we built a class 10 carand had that until 2016. And
that was that was a red car,right? Yeah, it was a red car.
It was the one in 2011 I won mypowderpuff race that year in it.
We raced the Baja 1000 that yearand that's the year he won the
ball 1000 we went to just finishand we ended up winning by like

(01:03:04):
two hours. It was kind of acrazy, crazy thing. And then we
started racing the hpra seriesafter that, which we didn't but
that series didn't come you knowkeep going. And then we went
into best in the desert andstarted racing them at 400 and
Vegas to Reno. The Blue Waterdesert challenge fun races yes
yeah. We made sure we did allthe fun ones.

And then that that car was even in a video
game.

Unknown (01:03:33):
It was it was in the Forza Horizon three and for or
is it four and five we got aphone call asking if we could
they could have the graphics forit we got the the photos from
certain races and everything andthey they put it in put it in
the video game so we can stilldrive it and it's a lot cheaper
now.

That is fun like that is so fun.

Unknown (01:03:57):
It was it was awesome that it was in the video game
but it was also the sinner foldthe centerpiece the masterpiece
and metal when dirt sports wasaround back in remember this we
were Yeah, that was that car.

The first time I remember seeing a masterpiece
of metal was a it was jrReynolds. The UFO over for car
Okay, not this is UFO before JoeThompson had UFO fab. This was a
it was an IRS car. It was just ais a work art, you know ton of
TIG welding, it still races init still races kayo Ah, I can't
think of who the owner is. Andas somebody is listening to this

(01:04:32):
show right now going. He owns,like, exactly what is I don't
remember who it is. But uh, ittransacted hands up just a few
years ago. It's just a beautifulcar, but that's the last that
was really what the masterpieceWell, I guess I hadn't seen dirt
sports before that issue. Andthen yeah, those are always cool
to see how builders werebuilding things in they were
raw. Oh, yeah. It was just acool piece. And then so you guys

(01:04:56):
at some point 2016 you get outof the class 10 Christian has a
baja 1000 championship under hisbelt from that thing. Yes. And
you guys build a can x three?

Unknown (01:05:07):
Yes. So much fun. I missed that car every day,
actually. Yeah, we built that in2017 we actually would have
quite the discussions of who wasgoing to start the race and who
would finish the race when wewould race the car because I was
pretty much guaranteed to givehim the car. Because he drove a

(01:05:27):
lot harder than I I wassmoother. And I was better in
the technical sections. But asfar as like the fast stuff like
he, anyways, I would give themthe car except one year I kind
of messed up that the mint 400but that's that's not a fun
story.

We got to be bringing up old shit, right?

Unknown (01:05:46):
Oh, yeah, I know. We ended up only doing two of three
laps and it was my fault. Butyeah, too many flat tires. On
that race. That was the lastyear I raised them at 400

it was about 2015 2015 was was tough on
tires.

Unknown (01:06:02):
No, it was 2018 I had three flats in the first three
in the first three miles of therace. No joke

at them. Yeah, you barely got out of the short
course. And I'm laughing sorry.

Unknown (01:06:17):
We started Yeah, you can't remember if we started in
the short course that you're noI literally like had a car and
my towel and you there are mytowel and I was like keep you
know keep in my line. I hit arock and it gave me a flat so of
course I have to pull off we'dget out we change the tire at
this point. We have tons ofvehicles passing us get back in

(01:06:37):
the car gets you know strap Ican't I get behind a truck like
one of those 3000 trucks I can'tremember what the trophy lights
I think it's what it was on thetail of this truck in the dust
and I don't drive in the dustand this is one reason why I
don't do this yet. Besidessafety I was on his tail. And we
they have investment desert theyhave those pass push you know

(01:06:59):
you push push past them. Yeah.
And they were not moving or notmoving over and my navigator. He
just kept me making sure it wasgoing and all of a sudden they
move off. I'm like finally so Igassed it to go, you know to the
left of them a little bit. Hit abowler. They weren't moving over
for me they were moving over fora boulder hit that boulder with

(01:07:19):
front and rear driver side, twoflats, three miles out, had to
wait for best in the desertofficials. They brought me out
more tires, thank God. But Imean, there was no avoiding the
Boulder. So that was my horriblestory of my that was the worst
race I've ever had. To behonest.

Pam Hall (01:07:39):
It's so frustrating even talking about it. But
that's your worst story is stillso amazing to so many people
because it's like, wow, I wanteda car or I burned my car down
her. Yeah, no, no, but we weredown like an hour and a half.
Because I had to wait for thetires and they had to go mount a
couple tires with all of ourspares were out at the remote
pits. So we had you know, youdisperse your tires out and so

(01:08:02):
we're beg borrowing and stealingfrom other people that have the
same tire size. But I wasn'tsuper excited about the tires we
were running. I won't mentiontheir names, but it wasn't my
favorite tires. My favoritetires are actually bfgs. And I
know I'm you know nitto withKing of the hammers and ultra4
but my dailies are bfgs. So, andwe're sorry, we're not taking

(01:08:23):
paychecks on this show. So Ithink it's true. The thing about
the show, Pam is your secret'ssafe with me.

Unknown (01:08:32):
And everybody else that listens.

Something like that. So moving off of your your
racing career, you do have a youknow, 13 years of a racing
resume racing pedigree, justwith your own self with your own
helmet and your own fire suit.
But you're from a long line ofracers. So yeah, you're in
there, you're, you know,immersed in it. So I find that
super cool that you're there. Ithink that's that's it. But I

(01:08:56):
mean something like currentaffairs. So just before
nationals, you said you'recoming from another event and I
know that event to be the rebelEmily Miller's deal. The rebel
rally. It's a I've talked aboutthis on the show a few times.
Ryan Miller was on no relationEmily Miller, Ryan Miller is on
he and his wife. Well, his wifeone hurt and, and terilyn

Unknown (01:09:18):
Yes,

they're like, the favorites, right? They're
like Vegas. Odds are those twoare always gonna win. How many
teams were there? The rebelshere 40

Unknown (01:09:26):
there were 36

but I guess 40 Wow. I just figured I could fit
on a sheet. It seemed like 40 so3016 and it's it's a female
driver, female co driver.

Unknown (01:09:39):
Yes. And it's not a race. It's a rally.

It's a rally.
So it's Ryan went through thisand if anyone missed that part,
you know, you'll have to go backto the Ryan Miller episode. I
think it was the season so fiveor six weeks ago. It seems to
blur they've kind of blurtogether it. Yeah, so they won
and so you came from rebel to goto Nationals. But 10 Me too, or
tell all of us about rebel fromyour perspective, like you

(01:10:02):
raised it at one point. I don'tI just this year, but is that
how you met Emily Miller andkind of ended up in the scene?

Unknown (01:10:10):
It is. Yeah, yes. Okay.
So back in 2016. That was theyear of the first rebel rally.
But back in December, I think itwas December 2015, this event
was announced. And I saw thatthis rebel rally, all female
event was happening in theUnited States. And I was super
excited about it. I knew Iwanted to do it, but I just
didn't know how to go aboutdoing it. Because I always

(01:10:33):
wanted to do the gazelle rally,which is in Morocco, and that's
an all female event as well, butthat one's like $30,000. I think
that's the cheap side of tryingto do that rally. But it's a
Napa, you know, navigationalrally only. So 2016 and 17. I
was a competitor. And I fell inlove with the events but Emily
Miller had called me I wasactually here in North Carolina

(01:10:56):
on vacation sitting on my dockdown by my boat. Sara price had
talked to Emily I believe, or Ihad talked to Sarah price at the
mint 400 that year, so 2016. Shesaid you should totally do it.
Like we've talked about racingand rallying. And so Emily
Miller ended up getting my phonenumber calls me and says, I have
somebody that can be yournavigator if you're wanting to

(01:11:17):
do it. So she set me up withsomebody. That person ended up
not working out for me once wemet in person and everything.
And I wanted to do it reallybad. So my girlfriend Carrie,
actually is Julie Boyer, RickBoyers daughter in law. Lawyers
just keep popping up in my life.
She became my navigator twoweeks before the event actually

(01:11:40):
happens. So she came in she didall the navigating and rebel
rally is a map and a compass.
And you have map tools likethat's the only thing you have

your no phone no off limits, no GPS. This is
it's like play seconds andseconds and minutes over hour
like you guys are, Brian hadtold me like there was a point
where they had set up the tonerings on the ABS sensor to read

(01:12:12):
off distance on it because itwas like you had to go. You fell
and Emily, the diabolical geniusthat she is the evil evil doctor
that she is. sets up everything.
Everything is metric. Yeah,right. Every time things
kilometers, there's no it's notfiles. And so when you go down a
road, and you know, you're goingtowards this waypoint that has,

(01:12:34):
at some point in the future,down this road, that you need to
go, let's call one kilometer,which is or 1.1897863 kilometers
is where I want to go. And thenyou have to convert that to
whatever your car is. So he sitson about the modified like the
tone rings and the ABS to countrevolutions off the tire, so

(01:12:55):
that they knew going down thispath that they needed that tone
ring to click off seven moretimes. And so it's like 123
Okay, we're here. Let's mark orhow did how do they mark and
take score of about of wherethey're at? How does that work?

Unknown (01:13:16):
Well, you had to you had to be able to navigate on
the map exactly where you werewith the Latin along. So that
way of tower they did their car.
That's genius. I mean, mine wasdefinitely not like that. I had
a terror trip in my car and ithalf the time didn't work.
Right. So I'm like guesstimatingOkay, this is how many miles I
need to go because it doesn'tsay in kilometers. But yeah, it
was it's a difficult rally likefor people to be like them, I

(01:13:39):
mean, who's gonna beat them? Imean, Kaylee and terilyn if
they're in the rally, they'rewinning. Especially in their
four by four class but the wholething is just difficult. The
whole rally is difficult likelearning you think you know how
to read a map. You don't knowhow to read a map until you go
to like one of the rebel classesand Emily teaches you This is

(01:14:01):
how you read the map. This ishow you triangulate This is how
you This is how you do your latand your long with your map
tools and you have a plotter andcompass and it's just mind
blowing the whole event is mindblowing

in in you really you're set up to only the
stuff that you leave whereverReno or wherever you leave the
beginning of rally with is likeso if you had your however many
spare tires you carry that's howmany spare tires you have. You
have if you brought one sparetire that's what you have. You
need tools you better broughtthem you've ever planned to
borrow to have brought them nowso I saw something there. I saw

(01:14:40):
some guys or Ladies Ladies ranthe new rivian Electric pickup.

Unknown (01:14:46):
Yes.

What's the insight on that? Like I've seen
obviously they're getting somesocial media mileage out of it
running the rally. But how didthat work? Because like fuel and
charging they charged at night.
So what a great idea. What agreat, great idea for marketing.
But what do you know about that?

Unknown (01:15:03):
I know, well, the Vivian looking at the vehicle
was super cool. And being aroundthe engineers during the rally,
like I actually hung out withthem and got to talk with them
quite a bit. And their PR personwas also there. So I got to
speak with her a lot. Andactually, we would go places I
would take them places duringthe day to get them out and
about but the Rhydian, okay, soif, depending on the mileage

(01:15:27):
that they had to do for the day,they would sometimes have to do
like a splash charge. So there'sthis huge, you know, semi truck
that was done by power powerinnovations, which powered all
of our base camps as well tryingto go solar powered, so it's
quiet, and no generators, thistruck would actually be there to
charge, like you said at night.
But during the day, sometimesthey they would have to stop off

(01:15:50):
like halfway through the dayjust to make sure they had
enough charge to get them to theend. So there were actually two
electric vehicles. Well, one wasa hybrid, but the Mitsubishi was
the other one that had to becharged at night as well. But
the rivian was super cool. Thetruck is super close, just
weird. popping the hood andthere's nothing under there.
Like that's where they keeptheir luggage.

Pam Hall (01:16:14):
So strange. There's actually a picture on social
media I think me Hall becauseAmy Hall is the one who drove it
because she's the perfect personto have in these new vehicles.
She drove a Rolls Royce. Lastyear in the rally, there's a
picture of her and her navigatorsitting inside of the car where
the motor should be. They'resitting in it and took this
really funny picture. It'spretty funny when they cut their

(01:16:37):
luggage. Yeah. So how long nowthat you've been around that in
seeing what one of those then doyou? Do you see any parallels to
when something like that willshow up in offer for maybe not
the truck but maybe the drivetrain? It would be interesting
to see one and ultra4 I don'tknow how they would do like the

(01:16:57):
travel and stuff of it. And howwould they actually make the
mileage because they there's noway they would be able to make
the whole race mileage wise likethere would have to be an
electric class that doesn't goas far as the ultra4 racers go
now because I mean what do theydo they do like is it like
roughly like 300 miles orsomething? What is it what do

(01:17:17):
they do it ah yeah that's called

usually count to

Unknown (01:17:24):
kill Wouldn't it would make it because you know, you're
using more power when you're inthe rocks and trying to get up
the you know, the obstacles andstuff and then when you're going
faster in the desert, that'sobviously using more power. So I
don't know how it would work,but I think it'd be super cool.
Somebody's electric vehicle.
Yeah,

I think so.
We'll figure Yeah, I heard thisaround a campfire recently that
Dave David thrown it out likethrown the gauntlet out like
first electric racecar to finishchemo hammers. He's got $100,000
check for him. Is that right? Isthat right? Have you heard that?

Unknown (01:17:58):
I haven't heard that.

I don't know

Unknown (01:18:00):
I'll go get a freaking electric me.

It was it was something that I heard thrown
out. I don't know if it's realor not. You know if that's that
he put a bounty on it. I don't.
Again, I don't know. I mean,

Unknown (01:18:12):
TV coming out too.
Right. So we'll have to be acar.

I have no idea.
I don't know any of the detailslike lose the train. So I I have
a I have a deposit down on oneof them. Nikola trucks the the
Badger and I hope that theybuild their factory. I hope I
get to buy the truck. I like thelooks of the truck. Yeah, I
don't really like the look ofthe rivian but I get that. It's
probably going to get built.

Unknown (01:18:37):
I mean, it has 750 horsepower is what that one had
for a electric. Have you everdriven an electric vehicle? Have
you driven a Tesla?

I've ridden Yeah, just ridden and yeah,
they're ridiculous.

Unknown (01:18:49):
They're ridiculous. I

mean, you put that pedal down and because
there's no gears to switchthrough that thing just goes or
if you know, in our circles DEEKSmithers he's one of the East
Coast guys that runs around likeMiller and Casey Gilbert in that
company, those guys, deca, he'shard into the Tesla's like, and
when he first went into him, Iwas like, What is this?
terribleness No, no, no, no, no,no, no. And then now I know, I

(01:19:12):
know why they will snap you backin the seat and hold you there.

Unknown (01:19:15):
Yeah, they're really fast.

I've driven one once and I was really amazed. I
was actually very impressed byhow they drive. So now with
rebel, Emily Miller, she issenior skill set and so now she
has you doing all sorts oflittle stuff for her there right
helping run the thing.

Unknown (01:19:33):
I Well, what I do is I as I work there start lines so
in the morning when the girlsare lining up to go off on their
day of their adventure. I amthere to help them start their
day. So because I'm Emily, youknow, the first year the rebel
rally the very first year 2016 Iwas the first car off the line

(01:19:54):
for the very first rebel rally Iwe drew number one, so I know
what it's like to be thatperson. off the line and my
navigator and I it's just youknow, it was awesome experience
so when I decided I wasn't goingto be competing anymore I told
Emily I wanted to be involved insome way somehow. So she put me
on as the start line and thefinish line because I would be

(01:20:19):
my chipper self that I am andyou know, smiling and happy and
trying to cheer them up if theyhad a horrible day when they
came in and you know, make surethey're going off on their day
with you know, the reminders ofstaying hydrated and, you know,
having a good day and lookaround at their scenery and you
know, bring it home at the endof the day. So the personality

(01:20:41):
part of it is I believe one onereason why Emily has me doing
what I do, because I ampersonable I mean I'm not cocky
in any way but people that knowme know that I can talk to
anybody. I mean I jokingly say Ican talk to the wall if I had
but no she has me doing that soand then this year she had me
work one of the checkpoints Itwas pretty cool to get to you

(01:21:03):
know be a part of the on coursestuff only for one day this year
but hopefully next next timeI'll get to maybe work some more
on course stuff like I did withJT Taylor at Nationals but

right like how you're, you know, he hit an
angle angle in there.

Unknown (01:21:19):
Yeah.

Is this what Emily saw in you to bring you to
King of the hammers was that thefirst time you come to King the
hammers was with her to workwith her at kth? Or had you been
out there before?

Unknown (01:21:31):
I actually had gone out there I believe it was like in
2011. I don't know what year itwas. I went out and actually
watched king of the hammers. Itwasn't anything like it is now
the year I went and watched Imet Dave Cole, though it was
either 2009 or 2010. I was outpre running for a race. This
gentleman came over and said,Hey, I forgot my radios. Do you

(01:21:53):
guys have any extra radios thatI can borrow? We let him borrow
some radios and gave us hisnumber said I'm Dave. I'm key
and the hammers were like, whatis this king of the hammers?
Never heard of it. This guy'scrazy. You know, this was

Pam Hall (01:22:08):
honestly thinking in the back of our minds kind of
weird, but he ended up being asuper nice guy. I always I
always would. Every year I'dsend him an email. Hey, if you
need help, but king of thehammers, let me know and I never
got a response. So Emily 2016 Iwork the yard competing the
rebel. She says that she worksking of the hammers and runs the

(01:22:32):
media tent. And I'm like, Oh, Ilove king of the hammers. I've
gone there and watched the eventbefore I said, I know Dave Cole.
And anyways, I don't know if shereally thought that I knew Dave
Cole or not. But she knew oncehe saw me, I ended up going and
working my first king of thehammers in 2017 for her, and she
knew that I was right for theposition that I was in because I

(01:22:54):
was basically like a greeter.
You know, I greeted all themedia, I knew a lot of the media
as well all the photographer'sbecause of racing. A lot of them
were at the other off road racesthat I was at. So it really
worked out well. And then justthis year now I'm you know, what
is this four years into it? Now?
Here I am with ultra4. So lotschanged in the last four years?

(01:23:18):
This is crazy, right? 2020?
Right. It's bad for some butgreat for others. So right,
let's get the this is the thisthe point, right? This isn't the
the pinnacle of the of theinterview. But this is the
question like, what was thetransition? What was the genesis
of putting the microphone in Pamhalls hand in putting her in
front of the camera? How?

(01:23:42):
Who pulled that on? Like, howdid that go down? I'm gonna
throw Ryan Thomas under the bushere. So in Tennessee, I was
helping out with timing. So Iwasn't really helping out with
timing. I was sitting therewhile I was trying to help out
with timing. And that was myfirst event to actually work
with ultra4 because of COVID.
You know, the other ones werecanceled. So I'm in the infield

(01:24:03):
at the finish line doing thecheckered flag for them because
timing is there at the end. Andso I so as I so they said hey,
do the checkered flag for us.
Right? And Thomas comes over tome and says, Hey, why don't you
do the interviews for thefinishers right here? Because
Dan Campbell was there with thecamera and I'm like, You can't

(01:24:26):
do this to me. They're rightthere like they were 30 seconds
from being in and I

And decided that Crandon, they were going to
put me on the podium doing theinterviews for the finishers.
And so that was my, my openingact for ultra4 was that Crandon
the big house, Labor Dayweekend, and I had a great
teacher I had Ralph she had Ihad miles. I had Tiffany stone

(01:25:21):
and they were all you know,coaching me and helping me out
and Marty, Fukuoka and Ryan theywere all helping me out. So I
have great teachers, but that'show this happened that came
about. So here I still am. I'mloving it and I'm learning so
much and it's definitely gettingme out of my box cuz I can talk
to anybody all day long. But youput a camera and a microphone in
my hand. makes me a littlenervous. Well, yeah, then so

(01:25:44):
then you go to my lab, you didmy lab. Rusty's not the word
because you're just inamateurish that's probably not
even the word either. You'relearning right? You're learning
like in preschool? Yeah. When Isit and watch so I've sat in not
in the ninja lounge even I'veset up and watched you know
miles and company work in theNationals, you guys 13 hours you

(01:26:06):
guys are on there for 13 hours,14 hours, filling space, filling
the airwaves, dead air you'refilling my ear with and with I
don't even know the right wordsfor it just bs Yeah, there's
only so much information thatyou're getting fed to you that
you can convey. But then you'realso filling it in, then you
have to, you'll pull off of yourown personal experiences, which

(01:26:29):
we're learning you have. You'refully qualified to pull off your
experiences here. It's not likemy I equate it to this was kind
of being talked about as rollingthis through my head and talking
about this with a couple peoplethat kind of I bounce ideas off
for the show. You're not likewhen the NFL put sideline
reporters on the sidelines atall. They put a pretty face down

(01:26:51):
there to get you know the cameraon and then to get those three
second five second sound bitesas the guy pass the players pass
them on the way the locker roomnote, Ryan, I know Ryan was
involved this Ryan Thompson, Ithink it was, in my opinion,
very genius of them to put youin that spot. When you are a

(01:27:12):
very good looking woman. You'revery personable. You're very
friendly. You're not scared totalk to anybody and you always
have a smile. So you always havethat going for you. All you
didn't have walking into that ishow to put all those pieces
together to fill it the dead airtime and night three races.
You're really filling thoseshoes. Well, is what I'm trying.

(01:27:34):
Oh, thank you. I'm trying. NowNow what I'm gonna say next, and
I said it chip, which was thisweek's and I hope I'm gonna
reiterate it because you're theperson to reiterate it with if
it's qualifying or if it's raceday, if the live show is on the
live show is broadcasting andyou're a racer in your races
over park your car wherewherever you if you got to take

(01:27:56):
it all the way back to yourpits, okay, or pull it up
outside the live feed trader goin and sit down. Yeah, no one
Sit down. One It does. It doesseveral things. It checks so
many boxes. One, they get a hangout with your miles or you mile
and whoever else, right? That'sone that's a huge box, too. It
gets them on the air, their nameout there. They're synonymous
with whoever their sponsors orpartners are. They get to tell

(01:28:20):
their story. Right there livethe entire audience, and it's
recorded for the future. And ithelps you guys fill space with
backlinks freely from thehorse's mouth information.
Right. So great. 100% agree withyou. I only saw one person do
this and I've called himactually I went and said
something to him on Saturdaynight and just said hey, I think

(01:28:42):
what you did is awesome. I hopeother other garbage it is but
Wayland Campbell Wayland came inafter qualifying Wayland came in
after he? his race was over atNationals. Did you know The
drivers do that? You had likeJoshua just came in. But Josh,
Josh isn't a racer? now. Yeah,no, the ones that came in were
the ones that finished the racelike the ones that came in

(01:29:02):
finishers. Yeah, we didn't haveanybody really. That came in
after they had a mishap ordidn't complete but yeah,
Wayland. He came in for sure. Hehad quite quite the ending to
that race. But he definitely hestill came in. Yeah. And you
know what, and the next thingyou know, he's out in the pits
helping with his dad coming in.
And Ryan Miller, they came inand we saw I saw on the live

(01:29:25):
show, because that's when I'msitting there watching. I'm
watching the cameras and I seehim you know, now he's working
in the pits that that family isso amazing. Like, they really
are they do that? But yeah, Idefinitely agree with you
though, like the racersdefinitely should come in if
they can, no matter if they hadthe worst ending to their race
or not. So come tell your story.

(01:29:47):
Because the people that arewatching it at home and watching
the live show is only going tobuild the audience for that
racer, and for the live showbecause now, like you just said
from the horse's mouth they havethe true live interaction
What happened to them on course,I get it. If you're stuck out on
course, so far You can't comein, that's just a given. But the

(01:30:07):
racers that Do you know, getback to their pit. Come in, come
on in and sit down and take aseat out. You know, I'm always
one of those I sit and I patthat seat and say, Come on, sit
down right next to me. You know,and they come in, you know,
well, Wayland alone that camein. But yeah, they come in and
sit down and they start talkingabout what they do. Like Dawson
Dawson comes in every time I'vebeen in there on the live show.

(01:30:29):
He has came in and he has taughtthat family is another family
that just, you know, I'm a bigfan, because that whole
hollington family are great,folks. Yes, they are. They are
and coming in and just knockingon that door and saying, Hey,
you know, or just walking in,and hey, let's put this person
on the mic. Or even the sponsorsthat are there like Ryan with

(01:30:51):
nitto. Hey, come take a seat.
Let's talk about you know, therace for you What's going on
with you. So it's really good tohave people come in and do that
no matter if you're a racer, orone of the sponsors there. It
definitely helps fill thatairtime and gives us all
something else to talk aboutbesides hearing miles and I's
voice. Well, but it does helpyou in miles. And are you miles

(01:31:12):
and Ian, are you miles you justeveryone who ends up in that
situation? It helps you guysbecause one, you get it from the
horse's mouth, like I said, butyou guys are out there in I
don't know how you do yourhomework yet. But knowing miles
I do know, miles, he may be oneof the hardest working people
going on at a race. Everyonewhen everyone is socializing and

(01:31:34):
drinking beer on Thursday nightor on Friday. He is drinking
beer, but he's also taking notesand going pit to pit to pit. And
he and he sits down with hispapers. And he's got the
pictures and he's constantlyscrolling social media to see,
you know, to identify, one, whatthe driver looks like to us
who's co driver is what the carlooks like what the car looked

(01:31:55):
like when it was clean, thenwhat changes they've made
between the race last race inthis race. And if you don't put
it on social, he might not seeit. So he's going or if you're
clandestine, I mean, there's nota lot of that in note four, but
there's a little bit he's goingpit to pit to pit talking to
everybody like, Hey, tell me,you know, telling tidbits. So
Friday night after qualifying,he's out there doing his

(01:32:16):
homework didn't doesn't kill ituntil it's done. And then he
shows up. And that's what hedraws on for that next 13 hours
of the live show. And if he justfigured it out, he goes, if I
put in my homework, I have stuffto talk about. But right. If
people show up and sit down,then hey, that they come to him,
right? And come to you. And sohopefully it got to a point

(01:32:37):
where they're walking up to youpre race and post racing like,
Hey, here's what here's whathappened. I mean, yeah, I
appreciate that. I'll use thatnext time. Exactly. Exactly. And
that's, that's what like milesdoing that going. pitapit is
awesome that he does that. I amlearning who the drivers are.
And like, I mean, I came fromdesert racing. So you give me

(01:32:58):
the desert racers and I can Iknow exactly who they are, I can
walk up and say hey, butlearning the ultra4 drivers and
I, I've always been a shy personBelieve it or not, I'm have to
start doing what he's doing andgo into the pits. I'm not gonna
go sit in, you know, drink beerswith him afterwards, just
because I'm just not gonna dothat. I mean, I'll have a beer
but not different. I'm a girl,it takes miles about 13 to get

(01:33:19):
all the way through all thepits. So that's
only half joking. It's only likeseven.

Unknown (01:33:28):
That and I shouldn't say I'm a girl that's not you
know, I'm, I've been around allthese racers, enough to know
that I can hang with the best.
But I don't know how appropriateit is. If I'm there, this is
something I might want toscratch out. But I might want to
not like the wives I don't wantto do so you're looking at your
time, right? Your time becausethis might I might not want this

(01:33:52):
in there. I don't want the wivesthinking I'm they're trying to
hit on their husbands. And Ithink as it needs to come up. I

think that's a good conversation piece to have.
Okay, no, I really do I believethat because there is this, who
is this? hussy, right? Well,right, they're gonna have the
chance to, you know, one, yourrecord is, you know, you're on
the record here. But, you know,it's relationships are nasty and
dirty, and people are nasty. AndI mean, like I've said on here
before, I hate people, but Ilove humans. Yeah. And that's

(01:34:22):
kind of that's kind of wherethat goes. Like, it doesn't take
much to someone to read intosomething that isn't there. And,
and it happens on a regularbasis. And that's where you see,
you know, like, even in withinguys in motor sports, you know,
to alpha males like having, youknow, because he didn't let him
pass on this race six years ago,that now they still hate each

(01:34:45):
other. And so there's kind ofthat and I can see how you
wouldn't want that but I can'timagine. You know, it is it's a
family sport, and it's a familyenvironment. But it is
predominantly a lot of guysaround but yeah,

Unknown (01:34:57):
it's hard to word it properly. But I don't, I'm not
there for that. And I don't wantwomen thinking that's what I'm
there for. And I don't you know,the wives or the girlfriends, I
just I don't know how toproperly word that, but I'm fine
you can do during the daytime,

I think. I don't think it has to be, you
know, late in the fitzer. Ifyou're don't late a pitch, you
do it with your with a group ofothers. And you know, and you're
there specifically or you, youmake sure you just grab one of
the camera guys and try to getsome students or so I think
there's ways around it for wherepeople believe and know and
recognize that everything thatyou're doing to put in

(01:35:35):
background. Your homework isaboveboard. I think maybe it's

Unknown (01:35:40):
new. Maybe it's because I'm new and they don't know me.
That's maybe that's what I'mworried about. I don't know.
But, I mean, I was fair to thewives just as much as I would
then the husbands becausethey're just much as part of the
team is. I mean, look at LiamMiller, right?

Listen, some of the wives are the the funner of
the couples out there in thepit. So like you got to like
yeah, like in the Rufus racingpits. All the wives are way
funner than the dudes Levisurely his wife funner than
Levi, Eric Miller's wife, Leefunner than Eric. I mean, we can
go we can kind of go on and onand on down down the path like

(01:36:18):
the wives are the funner thanthe guys. Yeah,

Unknown (01:36:21):
I totally get you.

Yeah. But that's,

Unknown (01:36:24):
that's a good concern.
Well, when we raised them at400, the husband would go to
bed, I would go out but I had Iadd a bodyguard. I always call
them my bodyguard. So I alwayshad a bodyguard with me to make
sure I got back safe andwouldn't go out by myself. So

much. So men 400. So my wife, love my wife,
but she just does not like thedesert. She doesn't like the
races she loves the people. Thepeople is she's all down for so
we go vacation places that arenot racist. She's always in for
that. But men 400 is the onethat she always gave me. She
always came to them at 400because it was in Vegas. We will
go crash out she goes a casino.
So funny because she loves sheloves to play blackjack. So

(01:37:04):
Vegas worked well for her. ThatI mean that 100 worked well for
her. But yeah, I see exactlywhat what you're saying. And I
think a lot of people willidentify with that. It's a it's
a valid concern we've all seen.
I mean, we've all gone throughfriends and family that have
gone through divorces over,right, Petty? Well, I'm gonna
use the lack of better words,Petty shit. Like it's not real.

(01:37:28):
But then we've also fullyrecognized when things have been
askew and astray. And everyone'sjust very cautious about that
and tiptoes lightly around thoseissues. Yeah, I'm with you.
Yeah, I'm hundred percenthundred percent there.

Unknown (01:37:42):
Okay, I just shot a word it.

I don't think there's a right way. I don't
know. It's it's a it's a messyhair around the situation deal.

Unknown (01:37:50):
I'm kind of a friendly person and people's people. And
I know that people do sometimestake it the wrong way. And it's
just like, that's just mypersonality. I'm a friendly
person. And I'm not it's notjust thinks I'm being super
friendly doesn't mean I'm tryingto go home with that person or
Well, does that make sense?

No. 100%. And I've read I've actually I've
actually read a lot of a lotabout this in recent times.
Because the way the way datinghas gone over the last 15 to 20
years where it's predominatelygone away from the how we used
to meet like in a bar or someoneset us up or in person. You
physically met them first andyou had to make that point of

(01:38:29):
your pickup line or somethingwhenever that was what you know,
even if it's just bumping intothem at the grocery store.
today. That's kind of weird.
Like, I'm weird. That's weird.
I'm weird. I can't even imagineme in the dating scene that
tells me Hell

Unknown (01:38:43):
no, I'm pretty by 100% and crazy on that.

I feel so bad for these people. But the in the
people that have gone throughdivorces and are now dating
trying to it's all online, andby the time you've actually made
first contact, they've had theability to scour your social
media. So they found yourpictures of you wearing American
flag home guns, you know, rightthey've scared you they know who
you are, they already kind ofhave a preconceived notion. Do

(01:39:07):
they want to go on a date withyou or not go on a date with
you. So you've already been yourwent through like a background
check before versus back in theold days, we didn't have that he
was like, you had a datas likethree or four times before you
figured out dead or not dead. Soright. I think it's really
awkward. So what I guess whereI'm going to kind of close this
out is today, the human mind, Ibelieve likes the personal

(01:39:32):
interaction, even thoughtechnology hasn't really
supported it when it comes todating. So when you have guys or
women just doing personalinteraction just being
themselves and being friendlyand a smile, something as simple
as a smile today can bemisconstrued as a tension in the
wrong flavor.

Unknown (01:39:50):
Right. And exactly, that's I mean

that and that's what it is. It's just it's not
even flirting but someone couldconceive it as as a flirt. by
just being friendly, andapparently today friendly is too
much. So yeah, I know exactlywhere you're coming from and
your art, your argument and yourconcerns. They hold water. They
really they hold water. It'sjust not for you. It's, I think

(01:40:14):
society kind of where we're attoday. And not just technology,
but I know you're not doing yourhomework and I know you're
concerned about this, so but Iwouldn't be that concerned. I
think anyone's gonna listen tothe show and think that wow,
yeah, I hadn't thought aboutthat. But I should think about
that because we're all dudes Imean, of all the people to
listen to majority of our dudes.
So they're also sorry, we justsorry, we just put this you

(01:40:35):
know, this was the the redletter that know that the A that
person a or whatever. TheScarlet Letter, The Scarlet
Letter. So so here's Pam withher Skyler, right? Pam's like
why won't the Why won't eitherthe drivers talk to me after

Unknown (01:40:55):
Damn it. Sorry. Ma'am.
Hide

a jinx. Do you?
I'm sorry about that. But yeah,so but you're you're totally
settling in. That's the keywhere we're going with this as
you're settling into this newrole you didn't a year ago, you
didn't know you're gonna beholding a microphone. You didn't
know you're gonna be livebroadcasting. And now you're a
motor sports announcer you aremotorsport celebrity. You are a
personality. I don't know. Hiscelebrity the right word. I

Unknown (01:41:20):
don't know if like, like, I'm not yet.

I don't know if that's like, like Lauren Healy.
You know, is Lauren a celebrity?
Or is he just a person? Or is isVaughn? I don't know. Like, I'm
like, they're in my phone. findtheir number. My phone. They're
there, my buddy. But I guess weknow that. I mean, are they
famous? I don't know. I don'tknow. I don't know where that

(01:41:43):
works today. Maybe neither.
We'll talk about them. The nexttime you're on. But yeah, man.
So uh, cameras, we're startingto close this out. There's a
couple more things I want to youknow, kind of wrap up with you.
You want to rescale as yourselfright. You want to check that
box? Yes. So

Unknown (01:42:01):
the ball 1000 and getting checked off? And QA has
definitely it's been on my radarsince I came in watched it back.
I think it was 2011 I think theyear I came and watched it, I've
always been like, I want toraise co h like, it's a dream of
mine to do it. Um, so I'm like,hey, Who? Who? I don't care if I
was a navigator. Or the COdriver. I would. I just want to

(01:42:24):
do it. I just think it'd be somuch fun to do that race. I know
it's hard work and getting outin winching and you got to be in
shape and all that good jazz,but my goodness, like to race
kale H is a dream of mine. Like,

I want to do it so bad. Do you still think it's
the single hardest one day raceon the planet?

Unknown (01:42:42):
I don't know. I haven't done it. done it. So I don't
know. Well, I just think

from the outside looking in at it. Do you
think it is

Unknown (01:42:48):
outside? Yeah. Yeah, I would say it probably is right
there with the Baja 1000. Imean, depends on the length of
it. And now I probably becauseyou have all the rock, you know,
all the obstacles that gothrough and everything is
different. So and how many Imean, how many drivers actually
finished? kayo? Ah, there's Oh,every year it's a very small my

(01:43:11):
new number.

Hardware drivers when Dave started, you
know, he said if, if no onefinishes, it will be successful.
I could see him doing that.
Yeah, no, I'm not. I think yes.
30%. You know, I think when itstarts getting sub 20% I think
kind of, in my opinion kind ofbecomes problematic. It starts
losing some luster but then whensome of the stuff like ah this

(01:43:36):
year, I don't think I felt thisis just this is from the outside
looking in. Right. I was medianow media now. It felt like
ultra4 wasn't prepared for theleaders to come back as quickly
as they did.
This year.

Unknown (01:43:49):
Yeah, I'm in media 10.
So I have no idea. But yeah,

so let's talk about the future. Real quick.
Before we close out with you,the future, you will learn how
to weld. What's that about?

Unknown (01:44:02):
I wanted to learn how to weld for probably 10 years
now. And I can't let my husbandTeach me because he can't weld.
Sorry, honey. But yeah, hecannot weld. I would not let him
weld. or teach me at all I know.
It's something I've alwayswanted to learn how to do. I
used to watch my dad do it as akid and I never tried it. Of
course, because you know, Ididn't have a What is it the

(01:44:23):
helmet for it? The visor. So youknow, I couldn't watch. But it's
something I've always wanted todo. I've always wanted to learn
and I know there's tons ofpeople out there that can teach
me it's just all about takingthe time and actually learning
to do it. And I know thatthere's little classes at Keio
ah that like the ladies off roadnetwork, she'll do little
welding classes and stuff. ButI'm always so busy that I'm not

(01:44:46):
able to go over to them. But itwould just be super cool to
learn how to actually do that.
That's Charlene Bower

right sharp Charlene gets us because I
didn't realize welding was apart of that. But that's very
cool. Charlene Bauer It is thewomen's offroad network. Right?
That is Yeah,

Unknown (01:45:03):
I swear she does that.
Well, I

saw there multiple times during the week
last time she turned around witha, I don't know what do you call
that? What do you call it? Agroup of women entourage and
entourage.

Unknown (01:45:15):
I just bought an entourage whenever it's a group
of people that are alwaystogether. entourage, entourage,
you know,

like they say like a murderer crow. You know,
a clowder of cats. But it's likeyeah, like you can't say that
like know why.
But yeah, so I saw CharleneCharlene would give her tour.
She you know, her large groupwhat she's doing is very cool. I

(01:45:42):
think there's something foreverybody in hammer town. But
yeah, so yeah, learn how to weldsomebody. Maybe we need to get
you maybe someone from Lincolnelectrical here this and then we
know we need to put her in aLincoln Electric racecar but we
can't do it without teaching howto weld see check boxes, I'm
thinking outside the box here. Ilike it and then they can send
me to their school they have aschool a week long school at

(01:46:03):
their at their facility, Ibelieve. I think somebody needs
to do that for you and yoursponsored person coming in. Now,
there would have to be a Lincolnsponsored person coming in from
ultra4 learning how to weld andI can talk about on the live
show.
So Pam, that's exactly howmarketing works. I think that's

(01:46:24):
exactly how it works. But Icould be entirely wrong but I
think that's exactly you know,you'll start to see your
wardrobe for the live showchange right as people already
it has. I am I watched like youmiles and we talked about Bailey
his wife earlier and milesbrought Bailey to this last race
to Nationals yeah and that inthat was pretty cool. And I you

(01:46:45):
said something to me about Ineed to bring Christian to an
ultra4 race so when Yeah, but hewon't get that on schedule. It's
got to get out there now hewon't he won't be well now that
we're over on the East Coasthe's not going to travel with me
so hey, Tennessee really needsto tank really needs to start
racing then ultra4 he does hedoes and then Christian can

(01:47:06):
start working

Unknown (01:47:09):
should have a family affair.

So how close is that South Pittsburgh race is
that going to be the closestrace for you guys this next year
rush Kentucky is the other oneRussia can take those about the
same distance from you guys oris rush Kentucky a little
closer.

Unknown (01:47:22):
I don't know where rush Kentucky is at I haven't mapped
it. I usually map everythingbecause I want to see Am I going
to drive to that race or learnto fly. But the one in Tennessee
I drove there this year, it onlytook me five and a half hours to
get there, which is nothing turnup my radio and seeing like I'm
Mariah Carey and drive along. So

she has a guest that rushes like four hours from
you. So it's that's probably I'mprobably pretty pretty close to
that. But

Unknown (01:47:45):
it's probably probably so I don't know. Not very good
on my East Coast states yet.
Well, Pam,

thank you for coming on. Did we cover
everything that you kind ofwanted to get out there? Oh, you
think so? I

Unknown (01:47:58):
think so. Yeah, I think so.

I'm ecstatic about you know how having one a
just such a just coolconversationalist. Someone who
is your conversation that youflow with and you jive with and
you have just a able just have akiller kick ass dialogue. That's
fun. I had fun. Awesome.

Unknown (01:48:17):
I had fun too.

I had a good time. I hope our listeners
really enjoyed it too. Iappreciate you guys dialing in
and turn it on to your streamingaudio and catching everything
that is Pam Hall and you guyscan catch on the live feed. You
know it King, the hammers comingup in February. Or if somebody
is following the mill will trackyou down on a track and see how

(01:48:39):
you guys are doing recently, theBaja 1000 here in a few weeks.
That's pretty exciting stuff.

Unknown (01:48:44):
It is very exciting.
Julie Boyer like I said, JulieBoyer is the driver of record
but the car number is 1662 1662Well, that's the car number.
Yeah, it's a gonna be a roughrace, but so much fun.

Well off the post that to the town tank
insiders page on Facebook whenthe thousands going on and get
everyone to make sure 1662 isone that they have selected to
follow. Well, cool. Yeah, forsure. Pam, good luck at that. Be
safe, have fun. Thank you somuch for coming on and agreeing
to come on the talent tank andtell us who you are and what you

(01:49:20):
do. And kind of the genesis ofhow you became someone who was
filling our airwaves on a fourrace weekend. We I'm very happy
about it. I'm very grateful forit for you doing that. Thank
you.

Unknown (01:49:32):
Thank you. Thank you for having me. It was exciting
and fun. I was so nervous, butso much fun.

Yeah, you were nervous. Oh, man. Well, all
right, guys. Thank you for Thankyou. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you. Thank you, Pam. Thank youeverybody for listening. And on
that note, we're out.

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