EP 39 Dave Schneider

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Intro/Outro (00:02):
Let's drop the green flag on this episode of
The Talent Tank podcast withyour host Wyatt Pemberton
bringing you the best, fastest,most knowledgeable personalities
and Ultra4 and offroad racing.

Wyatt Pemberton (00:21):
All right, all right. All right, here we go.
Well, Welcome back, everybody.
Sorry for the little delay. Youknow, leading up into
Thanksgiving there was somescheduling snafu. So there was a
little bit of a WiFi issue onone end and WiFi issue on the
other end and then and then bajahappened, and that just kind of
threw a whole bunch of Monkeywrenches into the system. But
here we are, as you guys dialedin, turned it on, cranked it up,

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broke off the knob. Looking backat me right now is the very
svelte looking Dave Schneider,of Trent fab, also known as DSI,
DSI. How you doing, man?

Dave Schneider (00:57):
I'm pretty good.
How about yourself?

You know, living the dream. I have not had
COVID yet, but I heard you have?

Yeah, yeah, that actually happened.

And you lived?

Amazingly, you know, like, you know, what is
it? About 100% of everybody thatgets it was 99 and a half or
something

is higher than that? Yeah, it's it's 110%
I gave it my all hundred 10%now, guys, yeah, man. So Dave,
you know, I think you go backwith everybody in the industry,
easily to the beginning of rocksports. You were easily the
beginning in crawling, and thenracing and then all that with

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Ultra4. But today, you're stillracing a little bit. 4871. But
you've raced in all the classes.
Basically, it's a car number.
And then you add 71 to the end,it has had Dave Schneider's.
It's been on a day Schneider carat one point or another right.

Short a stock class. Yeah.

Yeah, you haven't raced 4500 or you

Tom, I've raced 45 I haven't raised 46.

Is that what it is? 45? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You? I
know you've been in 4471?
Actually, I think you were likethe first person ever Best in
the Desert? To register yournumber? In 2009? I think it was
your car was the first car everregistered? Was the number 4471
in 2009.

Yep. Actually, what's funny is, since Jeff was
driver record of that wholeprogram, he actually registered
the number first. And then I hadto go through with Best in the
Desert to get my own number backfrom them, or from Jeff to race
the following season.

And then somewhere in there was it in
2010 2011? You actually ran the4401 4400 class champ plate.

I did.

And that was before there was a hammers class
it was we could either runbasically sportsman like barely
in front of sportsman. Or youcould race Class1.

Yeah, starting V2R '09 is when they put the
4400 King of the Hammers Classin Best in the Desert. So
starting in 2010, it wasactually there was a true 4400
class and it's continued onevery year for anybody that's
wanted to run it since then. Butseems like after about 2012
2013. I don't think anybody'sactually ran every race for a

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season since.

But a lot of people stepped in and taken a
race here. They're certain likeVegas Reno, there was some guys
that made an effort this year.

Oh, always.

That's a fun race. Parker. I would always see
see guys at Parker or the Mint.
There's always some 4400 guys,they'll show up at Mint and run
a run in the class. Yeah, man.
Well, thank you for sittingdown. You hail out of Washington
State. Grew up there,

sadly,

sadly. And then, and then you live outside
of Reno today. Right? You know,you work in sparks but you live
in Spanish Springs.

Yes.

Like was this little suburb, North northern
suburb? ritzy?

It's just it's just churching up Sparks is all
it is

Churching up Sparks. I remember hanging out
with you and it we'll go backand bridge on this but I don't
know much about Nevada outsideof Las Vegas. And then did Vegas
to Reno with you and I rememberdriving through Mound House and
seeing The Bunny Ranch. And I'mlike, Oh my gosh, that's where
that's at like I've seen it onTV. That's that's pretty cool.

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And that was when you were atSchaefers and in Mound House
that I came over and visited youonce while you're working there.
I was in Sacramento for workfairly regularly. But one time I
came over, you're prepping for arace and I was gonna help you or
co-drive with you or somethingand I don't remember the race
though. It had been a Best inthe Desert though.

That would have been the Silver State 300 would
have been the last race that cardid.

That seems about right and then I cancelled
and never I know showed you forsome reason. And I remember at
the time Lance Clifford's carwasin there being built at the time
so got got what year was this?
Was this 2010

Yeah, what have been early 10

Yeah, had it been 2010 Well, hey, we don't we
kind of got off a sidetrack andreally deep deep dived in here
really fast. So on a day to daybasis. You're who I've referred
to as the walking talkingoffroad encyclopedia,

okay,

as you giggle Well, no, I mean, I can't think
of an offer component or numberor part that if I've ever like
not known what it is, you aren'tthe guy who you call them be
like, Hey, what's this Warnnumber? Oh, yeah, that's the
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And you cross that over. Andthat actually crosses this used
on x, y, z and z, y, x and inevery day, and that's how you
that's how your brain works,right?

Sadly, yeah, it's backwards as can be.

And so how long have you been at Trent Fab now?

10 and a half years? Actually,

that's insane.
Is that how is that when?
shaffers? Yeah, you went fromshaffers? In Yeah, roughly 2010.

So when Mike decided he was going to close
the Nevada shop and move back tothe Bay Area. He came in one
morning and announced it andsaid, you know, we have about
four to six weeks left, you canmove or you can find a new job.

Thanks, Mike.

So, Mr. method?
Yeah, it was it was kind of ashock to everybody. But, I mean,
it's he was moving and

he had family in Oakland, right? Like,

yeah, he was from the Bay Area. Livermore, I
believe it actually was. So hemoved back, you know, family and
so on. And, you know, it'sreally worked out for him going
back there. So it was a goodmove for him.

And we're talking about Mike Schafer, you
know, Shaffers off road. I don'tknow if he's still an off road.
I know. He raced you know, likeClass10 for a long time. He
would always seem like he wasinvolved. He built a lot of
cars. You know, the 2009 Kingthe Hammers winner Jason Scherer
one in a Schaefer slash Campbellcar.

Yep. And that to help put that together,

and then all of the you know, tons of rock
crawling championships that kindof came out of that shop.

Mm hmm.

Well, we'll jump we'll jump back we'll get
there sorry. Yeah. This is thisis always fun. This is always
fun me We'll see how muchTourette's and schizo schizo I
get on this but so WashingtonYeah, squirrel What? Your from
Olympic Peninsula umhuhHow do you say the name of town
you're from Montesano

Montesano

Montesano. Like insaneo. Wanna say no?

Yeah, like, you gotta be insane to live there.

Well, and then you got out, right?

Yeah, yeah, I escaped that,

but escaped, you joined the Navy, your Navy
guy?

I was Yep.

How many years did you were you in the Navy?

was six days shorter four years when I was
discharged after breaking myback.

And how that happened? Because that's why
today anyone you know anyonesees you you walk with a cane? I
don't know how long I'd beenaround you before I realized you
had a cane. It was days. Likeit really was it was in Wayne
Isrealson's shop. But and Ithought it was a joke initially
and then I realized so how doyou how did you break your back?

You know that's not even a really good
entertaining story. I was justit was involved in a car
accident. Yeah, just this guygot on the freeway basically
what would have been my off rampand came into oncoming traffic.
He moved from what would havebeen his left to his right line.
Which was me moving from myright to left and we both moved

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around the same semi and we're acouple hundred feet apart both
of us going over 80 and oh thisis happening and no reaction
time and there's only about 80feet of skidmark and a huge
boom.

And then you You didn't walk away that didn't
work out well for you the theother guy live

No, he didn't.

That's that's a that's

Yeah,

out of all the years I've known you I've never
asked you that story. I actuallyI've never I didn't know

no

I assumed if you wanted me to know you would
have told me and now today I'mthe one who's asking I'm asking

that's all good.

No I did I saw a you know as I'm doing my
research and stuff I'm goingthrough you know going through
your Facebook and found justfucking hilarious excuse my
language on that one. Just in ahilarious meme. A KOH mean, that
has its you with your cane in itsays like surprisingly the blind
guys our driver.

Oh, I look like Ray Charles standing there that
day lean back looking up at thesky. And I understand pretty

well it's sunglasses on is what i saw i
just did it made me laugh andchuckle a little bit and then so
you ended up after after theNavy after getting out
recovering from surgery fromgetting your you know kind of
life back on track. How did youend up in offroad? I know
somewhere in there you you metor knew the S&N Fab guys, what
was that whole history and whatkind of happened to them? They

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were these Pacific Northwest badass chassis makers and then life
happens I guess.

Okay, I'll try and follow along with all of
that. So I had a four wheeldrive. Nothing special before I
went into the Navy and I spentpretty much all of our time on
logging roads just out in thewoods. There was way more miles
of gravel and there was apavement in that part of the
state and just basically ranlogging roads all the time. Clay

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hills weird stuff like that. Andyou know I move I moved back
home to Washington after I gotout
just needed some help kind ofwith some things adjusting and
just kind of get my life back ontrack and not a foreigner at the
time which that thing evolvedinto a basket case straight axle
44. Just, you know, everythingyou can imagine in it at the

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time, and you know, bought aregular cab Toyota pickup to
have something a little morecreative. And that was when the
first it was called the NWA RCANorthwest rock crawlers
Association. They held a onetime a year event over in
Vantage Washington, and decidedI wanted to do that. So through

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a local forum, similar to piratebut just for the Pacific
Northwest, which actuallystemmed from an emailing list of
all things. I mean, that's howfar this goes back. You know,
Jason and Trevor snn were kindof kind of the top level guys in
the area that you know, we'redoing links suspension and big
motors and big tires and so onand you know, tried to get him

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to do a cage for me, but theywere too busy and you know, had
had it done somewhere else and Iended up rolling the truck, the
cage did what it's supposed todo, and that truck evolved into
another Toyota that I tried myfirst season to come crawling in
which that was a poor choice. Itwas outgun going into that one
with the full cab and a flatbedon a Toyota. But you learned
Yeah, his learning curve prettymuch took the doorpost off first

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obstacle first course down atCougar boots the lions pride
part. But Doron realized we weretaking the doors home in the bed
of the pickup through asnowstorm now it was fine.

That sounds like James can trail

it 15 years earlier. Yeah. So finally at
Jason Trevor, when they theyactually got the s&m real shop
there in Arlington going and gothim to build my first chassis
from them. And just kind ofbecame really good friends with
them ended up, moved to Nevada,moved back to Washington worked
for them for about eight monthsin their shop, decided to move

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back to Nevada because it reallyjust couldn't stand the weather
up there anymore. And thingsjust kind of got a little a
little sideways in thatfriendship and it was time to
move back down. And they builtthe CO h car that we used in VR,
oh nine and shortly after that,they just, you know, I've been
building buggies and wereroommates for so many years. And
they just kind of decided theywanted to go their own ways. And

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Jason went back to engineeringand Trevor ended up in
engineering. Now Jason stilllives up there in the northwest
and Trevor lives down inSacramento now. So Oh, wow.

Those guys cranked out a ton of chassis for
a long time.

My kayo h car 409 was, I want to say was
number 76. Applications was 75.
Mine was 76.

That's truly amazing. And then you raced
another one. Like after thatone's demise. We'll get there.
You raised another one. Shortlythereafter, that was the rental
you referred to as a rental.

It's still called the rental to this day.
That was actually Jason's car hebuilt for 2009 which was built
the same time my 2009 car was Ijust, I'd work at torch mate
when there was a merger withschaefers for a while and I
worked in the offices at torchmate. So I had Mike in the tech
department there.

Mike Aiello

Yeah, farva our we design my idea, he put it all
to CAD. And we cut out the sideplates to with the dimple holes,
the whole bottom, all the linkbounce and everything in it. And
I had carried that up toWashington when they started my
chassis. And then they builtkind of a one off car into that
subframe for me, and did awaywith their B design and some of

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the other stuff to euro bar theroofline and make a couple other
changes in the tube structurethe car, just aesthetically more
than anything.

So the squirrel won't hear it. In the course of
your career. How many cars doyou think you've had a hand in
100? Well, since

I've been at Trent fab, we put out over 150
chasse ease. I mean from acarrier chassis to a turnkey, so

maybe we're probably 102 50 That's a lot. I

don't think that mean, I'd probably say 160 170

that's a lot of off road and smiles and miles
right there

is a fair bit that's for sure.

Yeah, I mean, Jay chin. What the hell are you
drinking?

I drink this as a room temperature beer.

Wow. So I tried that, uh, this pickle beer over
Thanksgiving. It was the worstthing I've ever had. But that's
what I envisioned. My face looklike each time I took a swig of
that pickle beer. Martin housepickle beer. Your face looks
like it is terrible.

I keep forgetting its room temperature
and picking it up.

Yeah, slow learner.

This is a this is true.

Oh gosh. When you were in the Navy, what was
your What was your MLS?

That's right in the Navy, but it was an eo
aviation origin spin. Okay,aircraft, weapons, bombs,
missiles, rockets, that kind ofstuff. Just load them. So I
worked in a couple differentdivisions. worked in bomb
assembly, did a brief period oftime with flight deck crew. And
I also worked in ordnancecontrol, as far as logistics,

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you know, elevators up and downjust what what goes where what
gets assembled, how it gets puttogether, who moves it, and so
on. kind of got bounced around alittle bit, I ended up with
really, really bad shin splintsso far twice in my life, which,
you know, run up and downladders and trying to run just
pretty much doing anything notsitting down all days pretty

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miserable. So that kind of gotme the desk job out of that. So,
but so you're a barrier guy.

Yes. That's what was the carrier you're on.

So I did the pre commissioning on what was called
the john c Stennis. Back in1995, out of Norfolk, Virginia.
And I wanted to stay on the EastCoast when the world cruise time
came up. So I did a duty swapwith someone from the enterprise
who wanted to go back to SanDiego. Okay, cool. I didn't
really want to go to San Diego.

He is the weather's beautiful there
though, man. Everyone says, youknow, in hindsight,

Unknown (16:05):
I should have

it. Yeah, life life would have probably not
changed too much for you. Itprobably would have you still
would have probably ended up inoff road. Maybe more desert
earlier on?

Yeah, I mean, had I gone on that world cruise?
I wouldn't have been in the caraccident. So it's kind of one of
those, you know, alternateendings to a story deal?

I don't know. I don't know. I think I think you
no matter what, you know, Ithink there's some belief in
that or whatever destiny. Ibelieve there's destiny. I do
believe in destiny to an extentI believe so many stories
written. But I think you canhave detours, you know,
tangents. But I still think youcome back to the mean, I think
if you were going to be an offroad racer, you were going to be
an off road racer, and I thinkyou've been an off road racer.

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So

well, I grew up on my dad, my uncle's. I mean, I
was at a motocross track when Iwas six weeks old and spent most
of my younger life. lm you know,pre elementary through
kindergarten, early elementaryschool, at a motocross track
almost every weekend for up tillabout the 80s up into the early
80s. So down motor sports waskind of a thing. I got my first

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dirt bike when I was three yearsold.

See, and that's what and that's what I'm saying.
I think it's funny. Anyone wholistens to the show, or just
knows the other guys in and overfor how similar so many of the
stories are. Every single one ofyou guys is unique is can be
everyone is so different. Butwhen we look at our stories,
like you've stepped back, andyou know how many started, you

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had an uncle introduced intomotocross who introduced the
next scene. Oh, they're they'reriding every weekend or whatever
that equaled. There's so many ofthose those that are very
similar. Was there a lot ofplaces to ride around? Northwest
Washington?

Yeah. Late 70s, early 80s, there was a motocross
track bout every 5060 milessomewhere there was, I mean,
there was actually a track inMontana that drew people from
quite a ways away every weekend,you know, down to tonight, you
know, down towards Portland orwall schugel. There was a
handful others I can't rememberthe names of now because it's

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been 40 years. But yeah, there'sa lot of motocross tracks. It
was really popular.

I can absolutely see that. And then so
then you are back in that area.
You have your Toyota, you doyour first rock crawl. Like
that's like 2001 right? ish.
Yeah. Pirate for my for kind ofstarted around that timeframe.
What was your number? You wereDSI on pirate? I mean, that's
knew who you were before I knewwho you were. And that's the

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right phrase I wanted to usethere. What was your member
number on there? It was prettylow. Right?

920

See, you remember,

I may of 2000

that's solid.
That's that's a solid numberright there. I think I was like,
30,000 31,000. But now there'slike, what? There was like 300
when it finally I think it'sstill going but let's just say
there was a mass migration.

Yeah, social media killed forums.

And then that still sucks. Social media still
sucks. It's so much worse thanthe forums. I would rather go
back to pirate. Like, just wejust no one wants to go back. I
said make it great again, right.
Yeah, I don't know. So yeah, sothe early the early days of you
getting into crawling, then youend up with the chassis and
you're kind of working your waythrough kind of I don't want to
use the right words of bouncingfrom job to job but you move

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several shops and they were youknow, and they were some very
legit shops in the early days. Imean, from snn to schaefers to
Trent fab. And in those moves,you learn some pretty cool stuff
all the way through there. Andthis is where I go back to
complimenting you on beingoffered walking talking
encyclopedia, you startedbuilding that and you know

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honing your game I mean,seriously your subject matter
expert on anything for a driveall the way back you know, you
can remember a bit bearing racethat you put in the you know,
right side axle on somebody'scar 10 years ago.

Yeah, I think I've actually overloaded my
brain to the point now actuallykind of to pause and think on
things like that. It doesn'troll out as easy anymore. Old
age. Important. Yeah. Well, withthat, we'll go on That

and a little bit of course light mixed in the
middle there

and it's not that I haven't hit my head about
a dozen times over the yearseither.

You used to have this soccer ball helmet
still have it I think it wasamazing so there was a there was
a K ah video what was that anouter limits or spooners it was
in spinners gotta look at mymemory my memories is going to
by surprise. You guys we're outof the car. The camera is on

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you. It's in the dark. And yourhelmet was on top of the car you
guys go to go and the helmetcomes off the top of the car and
bounces under it. You didn'tknow it was a helmet. It looks
like someone had a soccer ballout there just rolling around
kicking it around.

Yeah, actually the intercom and the pumper. If
you watch it swings under thecar, but it doesn't hit
anything. And I just reached outand grabbed the hose and picked
it back up. Because we lost bothlockers on the first trail of
the day. And we ran and finished36 that year open open on 37

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inch general trophy truck tires.
That was a hard hard fought dayand just you know spinners is
the last trail that year we wereat the bottom and one of the
notches and I kept falling offthe line because I didn't have
any locker and with the helmeton it was just frustrated dark
tired, exhausted. Tim was out ofthe car and I just set my helmet

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up on the roof and he's likeAlright, come forward a little
bit and off it went in thatThere you go. Tim priests. Yeah,
say to me,

I had so I was trying to I was racking my brain
to remember remember that. Sosomewhere in there. I think this
is the the dynamite time to diveinto this where I met you in
2009. I met you and Wayneisraelson shop and it was that
it was for Vegas Torino. 2009 Itwas kind of this culmination of

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East West all of us together andI was reminiscing this week
because my wife is you knowwe're getting ready for
Christmas right so all the allthe decorations are coming out
and she's been using a 2009Vegas to Reno shirt to wrap up
like this cookie jar. ThisChristmas cookie jar and I find
it I'm unwrapping it and I'mlike oh man and the memories

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that came back but think aboutthat you and I shared an RV in
Wayne Wilson's driveway for likea week before that race. We
prepped on that car where guyslike Chris Cabrera showing up as
like Jim Knox showing up I can'tremember what the guy's name who
was like the crew chief but wewe put together three three cars
and it was it was Dave's Kirbybuilt is car Yep, you're s&m fab

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4471 and then Ben Napier with abomber number one the in one
case Ah, like the previous year.
So it was slawson me and Dave hecalled me they've called called
me and tasked me with talking tothe owner of all three cars like
leading up to it and find commonparts like the common carts, but
there was

I don't even think they're made out of metal
and they use BFG tires. That wasabout the end of it that wheels
and tires interchanged I reallythink that's where it stopped

completely what and we made fuel pumps

in about a dozen of them.

It was a lot so that was really the first time I
met you in person but thatstarted a relationship because I
hung out with you. Balance of ohnine through 2010 I think the
race that would wear your helmetcame off the top of the car. I
feel like that was 2010

it was and we're looking at camp with you guys
after Parker after Parker

so that's let's talk about Parker really quick
because that was that was theParker the year it started. It
started raining. right we're inthe middle of the desert. I
mean, this is the freakin Parkerzone. I mean it's total desert
and it starts raining. It justdidn't rain a little bit. It
wasn't like sprinkles, itstarted like downpouring and a
lot of that racecourses throughwashes, a lot of cars flooded or

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didn't make it or whatever. Andthen there you are, you guys
come through, you throw it infull and drive and you're just
like 14 rivers, and like ridingrapids in the dark lights
bouncing off of whitewater andyou and it was Tim priests
right? Yep, freezing andDelaware. Here's your nuts. You
guys froze your nuts off

those bad. Well, the worst part was is the where
the master kill was one of theleads that was kind of folded
over it and finally vibrated andbroke loose. We lost the
ignition, right about the timethe rainstorm started. So got
out of the car got tools kind ofhad to figure out how to fix it

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with what we had. Through themonsoon. We had finally kind of
just pick which things in thecar needed power and strip them
and it was wrapped around thepost not tightened wrapped in
duct tape. And we duct taped theswitch to Tim's foot, or we left
the interior panel and whatnotout. And we took off we had one

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fan, and the front headlightsonly. And just was like, well,
we're gonna finish the thing Ithink for the only car in the
class still running. So I thinkwe got first place in the bag.
So let's just cruise this in andsay we finished it. And we found
out later we would have been topfive overall on the two lap
race. Had we not had thatproblem, but you know, still

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getting to finish and then gointo co h seven days later and
getting finished was was apretty impressive week.

Yeah, no, six days later. Right, right. I
mean, we It was a Saturday.
Yeah, yes. I and then cailleachis Friday. So it was in prepping
the car. And then that year wasfunky. Wasn't that the year that
BJ Baldwin was gonna drive withyou? Yes. What a memory I Yeah,
right there. And so BJ, he cameto pre run a couple times. And
then he just he just no showedfor the event itself.

Now that was years later that he actually
came and raced. But he he gotsick and martellus were doing
his marketing and media. AndMatt emailed me the day before
the race and said, you know, BJis not feeling good. He's not
gonna make it. It's like, Oh,well, I don't have cash in my
pocket. Pay the entry fee. Ithought that was covered. I

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guess I had to talk Dave andJeff.

And then y'all still raced it in finished, like
your ability to finish races?
How many times have you DNF overthe last 15 years, like, once or
twice? Not very many.

It's been more than that. I there's been a
handful and they've all been 50cent part failures, or just I
don't know the felon 251 wascompletely driver error, just
pushing too hard. But it hasn'tbeen a lot.

It hasn't been a lot. And it used to give you a
hard time about this. But youryour trophy room or trophy
closer trophy wall. You've gotsome frickin plaques man. Like a
lot.

there's a there's a couple good ones out
there.

Oh, no, I think more than a couple August stuff.
And then so to go into like2011 1213 years 4400 through
those years, all the whileworking there, trip fab. And
then slowly as your cars went,irfs cars moved up, you ended up

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going, you know, moving down inclass and keeping keep racing
car what we've seen a lot ofguys do, which this goes back to
Dave saying there wouldn't bemore than one class ever. Now
there's more classes, which issmart, right? It's a place for
competitive cars that are nolonger competitive and 4400 to
to move to that next level andcontinue to keep racing. And

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shit. I mean, that's extendedyour racing career in ultra for
what? Seven years? Eight years?

Unknown (27:47):
Yeah, seven years.
Yeah. Seven years.

Yeah. And then now I'm not calling you old.
What are you I am it. You'regetting you know, you're, you're
in the 40s ish. ish. And, and,and now you're supporting other
guys. I mean, you're supportingguys like Bailey Cole. And doing
and doing stuff with him andhelping him you go to where

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where he is today. As we talkedabout the cars that you were
involved with and how I got toknow you. You started to build
an IFRS car. You're shaking myhead in shaking your head.
Sorry, I'm flipping me off here.
This is solid work here. This isexciting stuff. Because Because
Because I owe you I owe you ahuge debt of gratitude here and
I'll pay it in my way probablywill like dammit Why? So you

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started to build build an iOScar? Mike Aiello there at torch,
right? You're working at torchmate. This is roughly that
2010 2011 period, you guys startdesigning a mid engine wasn't me
that was the plan. Right off thebat mid engine. Tell me about
the car in your head.

Well, Campbell's had built the the class one that
they call obrah. The big car,they're still running today. And
the idea was something for classone best in the desert. That was
still four wheel drive. And itwas just trying to scale it
down, which is where the theclass one body came from. That
was on it. We actually have allthings and, you know, in

(29:16):
hindsight, we use stands. And weactually taped the whole body
together and then measured howto build the car inside the
body. Because I actually boughtthe body before we bent the
tube. I knew what I wanted it tolook like I just didn't know how
to get it there. So we built itbackwards.

And there's nothing wrong with that. It came
out pretty good.

It did. It did end up coming out pretty well
when you and Rick were done withit.

So we're talking about the unicorn and by
the way that that car was namedby Dave Cole. It was they've
named it it was you know, are weever gonna see this mythical
creature, this unicorn and itwas you'd worked on it for a
long time collecting parts and Idon't know if the key words was
lost interest or we're ready tomove on or whatever. That

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didn't. Ekelund but so you hitme up. And you're like, because
I got now I'd had a new a new mydaughter was born in 2011. And
I'd burn myself out. You know, Ithink everyone out there who
races or is involved in thismotor sport, you know, it takes
a team, it takes just countlessfreakin hours in the shop, you

(30:19):
know, working on your car,prepping your car, fixing your
car. I mean, just to go go breakit, and then not counting all
the time away from work anddrive into events to do events.
And I'd burned out by 2010. Iwas I didn't I wanted no part of
it. And so I sat out my daughterwas born in 2011. We started
talking in private right then.
Yeah, right about right. Yeah,

you'd asked about buying, buying into the
car when it was done and gettingthe race part of it and I'd had
a couple things change for meand, you know, working for a
company that built one type ofcar while trying to build my own
after hours in the shop. Itstarted to buttheads it, it did
start to cause problems, whichsoured kind of trying to work on

(31:02):
it at the same time. So thatthat was kind of the the reason
I got a hold he about moving onfrom it. He'd shown interest in
like, well,

and there was my initial project, though.
Well, yeah. What was my historyreaction? Like I was like, no,
nope.

Unknown (31:20):
And then a week later,

yeah, I came back to it like, okay, let's,
let's talk and the thought was,okay, we could build this with
a, you know, a takeout sixliter, you know, like a Nokia
nine and an F 14 bolt wherethere's all these plans, like, I
can put this thing tailor socheap. Like, it could be such
No,

five years later, it was pretty much state
of the art when it finallydebuted

it. It had been it hasn't been a good car, you
know, I messed up though, like Itruly messed up and this is this
was my Achilles heel andultimately became the Achilles
heel that car was I tried tosupport local and stay local. So
in being in in Houston, and it'sdrag racing, we've got lots of
drag racing. I mean, we're atsome level and lots of drag

(32:04):
racing. And really the besttransmission shop here in town
everyone swears by circle Dgreat guys amazing guys. They
build a badass drag racingtransmission. It has no place in
a desert car and ultimately youknow after I don't know how many
of those I went through, but Icould change the transmission
that car pretty quickly which isstill a couple hours in that car

(32:24):
and coal hang got a hold of it.
Culhane was very impressed withthe transmission that was built
it had you know brass everythingin it. It was it was a solid
car. It was a solidtransmission. And you know, easy
Rick Rick Mooney ham. Itcouldn't have been done without
him. And we used to joke aboutyou know, his his business trick
toy fabrication. TTF was totallyTrent fab.

Okay, never heard that before.

Totally. Trent fab, will give him a hard time
he's gonna hear this and belike, I'm gonna stab. I'm gonna
stab ya next on my scene, whichisn't that hard cuz he lives in
Missouri. Now.

I was gonna say he's pretty close to these days.
Yeah, it's

too close for comfort. And that's still 700
miles away, though. Man.

I love Rick but nodular is a transmission again.
It's fine.

It's you guys are twin brothers on that. How
many your dodge has left youstranded more times then? It's
always been electrical. It'salways been dead pedal issues,
luckily. And then he justrecently moved to Missouri and
had a transmission issue on theway there. So yeah, that's in
his dodge. But yeah, so so thatcar but that car sucked me back
in. Right. And I think you know,that says 11. Rick, really? We

(33:32):
started working on that car in20 1213. we raced it. We debuted
at Parker in 14, and then juststart working on bugs out and
then ultimately, Alex Walkerended up with it out of the
blue, which that's a that's awonderful, great story. You
know, I was a guy that I preppedthe car after the race not
before the race. So the car endsup being Yeah, what's that like?
Right? So I get this call out ofthe blue from like, slacker.

(33:55):
Hey, man. If you don't raiseyour car this weekend at Fallon
like would you sell it I waslike it was Tuesday night they
were driving to Nevada on onThursday with my car like they
came got it that Wednesdaymorning it was gone and I didn't
even get a chance to really saybuyer process it I'm kind of I'm
kind of glad having kind ofbittersweet that happened and
but that was like you knowthat's been almost four years

(34:15):
ago five years ago. I think itwas 16 somewhere there a long
time ago I still talking aboutit because I mean now I'm washed
up has been has a stupid podcastthat just talks to talks to
racers that's how I livevicariously through you guys.

It's cheaper.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. Same amount of time
commitment though, I guess. ButI heard some some cool stuff
though. Recently though. muse.
So Alex took that car. It gotreworked a little bit by Rick
for Alex's taste, then. I don'tknow what to do. But he caught
that thing on fire. At somepoint. Then it it got shoved
outside. It was a bare metalcar. Now it looks like you know

(34:50):
it now it looks like a tetanusshot, but it's owned by a North
Texas guy named Josh Hess. AndHess. raced it a little bit
here. had some success here inTexas with it. And then now I
think he's just lost interest.
But I got some text hererecently. I think there's some
guys that are about to acquirethat car and we're gonna start
seeing it. We're gonna see itget turned around is what I've

(35:12):
heard. Okay, there's some guysthat want to race all of the
Mexican races so all baja alsothe

car be perfect for that it's long enough. It's

low why long it's that's 125 it's like 90
wide. And it's low. It's it's aton of room inside. That's a
roomy ass car for as small as itis.

We actually went out and I sat in the seat of my
oh seven Dodge, and we measuredthe floor, the seat height, the
leg room where the pedals were,and the steering wheel. And when
we started figuring out the seatto the floor to the bulkhead in
it, it was mirrored off my dailydriver pickup.

Now it was perfect. It was comfortable. You
could drive you could be in thatcar for you know, eight hours
and you were still still good togo. Like very, very comfortably
good to go. Yeah, man,

unlike a lot of ultra for cars that are little
tight.

Well, you know, I think you know, we we built
cars back then. Yeah, and evenyou still see it today you build
a chassis, it has a subframe init, and then that subframe ends
up being the belly, you end upstashing the transmission in
there and batteries in there anda like an accumulator and then
then there's a sub floor. Andthat ends up being the floor
that your feet set on and youWhat's that usually 10 inches

(36:25):
above the bottom of the car andthen the seat sits above that.
Or 12 inches so there's thisYeah, this cavity under that car
didn't have any of that. Yourknow your heels were on the
ground. Yeah, it had it had theskid plate then it had the two
inch tube, and then it had thethe sub floor the floor.
Effectively it looked like likea cookie sheet that your heels

(36:45):
set on. Mm hmm. That was it. Andthen under under the driver's
seat, there was a anaccumulator, immediately under
and then that sat right on theskid. And then on those side was
a driveshaft attached to a, whatdid Wayne call those? It was
when his son Wayne made thislittle zouk zouk shafts or what
do you call them? Like sub unitbearings? It was like a mid

(37:08):
Joanie

talking about I cannot think of what it was.

And somebody is yelling at the radio right now
going it was a bit. I can'tremember exactly. But it's like
a little midship Well, it's

gonna get a phone call from Wayne after
this.

You guys.
Didn't I teach you better andwe're like, I'm gonna answer the
Florida. I did see on Facebookthe other day at Wayne answer a
question on on there and ChrisCabrera I think was the one who
was I was like, Hey, Dad. Hey,son. Just started is it just it
just made me made me laugh andmade me smile. But yeah, then
you were the story of how he gotthe name, dad. Let's hear.

You're the guy.
So the oh nine VR team first gotto put together we decided to go
Memorial Day weekend and race amore race there in Lucerne.
Because Jarrod john Reynolds wasthe fourth member of the
original team. Okay, it wasmyself Jeff Jr. and Wayne. And
things didn't work out for Jr.
You know, towards the end of it.
So we went to this more racemore MDR one of those guys. And

(38:06):
so we entered in class 1300 justopen sportsman buggy. we'd gone
out to do a little pre runningbefore going back to Wayne's
look the car for the race and wewent to the Chinese restaurant
and Lucerne Valley. Okay. Yeah.
You know, I'm, there were anycats or dogs outside. So I'm not
really sure what we ate. But,you know, it's right next door

(38:27):
to Johnny's garage now, so we'resitting at the table and the
Asian lady thought that we wereWayne's kids. So he was bad.
That's Yeah. Are you are youthat dad? And he just looks at
us with this. You know, Waynedidn't swear drink or anything
back then. And just had thisjust sour look on his face. And
it's like, loops.

Hey, Dad. Yeah,

so that just stuck from there.

I call him dad.
You know, he's like the fatherof ultra for operating like,
like the first guy to crack thenut on how to tune a four drive
car. How to tune how to tune asolid axle car. And that was one
thing that came out of thatevent was we went you myself
Wayne and we went up and metJoel Joel with Bilstein. What's

(39:13):
Joel's last name? Ward, JoelWard, Joel Ward, and Joe ward.
He ran for building for a longtime and then he ended up going
to feiss and Krupp elevator,which is the parent company I

went up to Barry to work on elevators and now he
lives in New Mexico.

He lives in New Mexico and yes, I think he's you
know, he's one of the guys thatcurrently got you know, he got
smacked with you know, layoffsand downsizing or whatever. I
believe Joel Joel and Iexchanged notes out and probably
June or so. I know he waslooking he was looking for
looking for work. I like a lotof people right I mean, that's

(39:51):
kind of how it is right now.
It's a kind of disaster but sowe go out and I remember we went
to Jean, Jean Nevada, you knowjust there across state line
from print. prym gene and wepull off and was that is that
pet three advanced pet three.
That's what I refer to it as ofthe MIT course. And we tuned
with tune with Joel. And Wayneended up being the one that

(40:12):
basically got that car dialedin. Even though we were there
with Bilstein Joel Joel wasdoing his work. But Wayne, Wayne
had it figured out, man.

Yeah, he sat back and just watch from the
sidelines and just kind of, Idon't know if he figured,

I guess he fixed the glitch. He fixed he
was sorry, seeing stuff in thematrix in 2009. And then for
when that worked out, right,because he built a career I
mean, he reinvented himself ashe gone from painting the Rose
Bowl and painting commercialbuildings, having all these
crews that were painting stuffto he ended up being the
suspension whisperer for the thego fast 4400 crowd then he

(40:49):
started doing short course andpro fours with Rob Mac, and then
he started co driver for RobMack and trophy trucks. And then
he started down he was I willnever forget this though. In cam
steel cam steel. I'd like to Istill want to have him on the
show. We've we've scheduled andmissed and scheduled a missed
and we talked to kfh andscheduled a missed and it just
had it came and I haven'thaven't changed up so that's uh,

(41:12):
hopefully we'll get him on herehere when David Wayne was
scheduled to was planning toschedule to go tune with cam out
of Parker. And Rick and Ireached out to Wayne about
tuning and I don't know how itwent down. But Wayne blew cam
off to come tune us. And I waslike, wow, wow. Wow. And he was
like No, I mean, you're myfamily. That was how he was he

(41:34):
was like you're my favorite.
Okay, okay, so we went muddimanBarstow. Barstow loved it. tore
the car up, solid, solid work,

Barstow break anything?

Yeah, it absolutely absolutely will.
Yeah, man. So dad, that what?
how did how did the 2009 dealcome together? I talked about it
a lot. I think it's it's almosta an urban lore at this point of
how kind of 4400 came to be andkind of how there was this
merging of East and West guys.

(42:06):
And you were right there in thecenter. But I wasn't the answer
guy I got. I got called by Daveand said, Hey, fly out here. So

well, when it first came up, they were looking
to do it, you know, I wanted tobut I didn't have the resources
and whatnot, actually calledJeff. And, you know, yeah.
There's an old named Rob right,

Jeff? No. So I saw I saw his son Cody, Cody in
Oklahoma. His son was atNationals.

Yeah, Cody actually is working in the shop
right now for us.

Oh, that's awesome. Music, great welder.

Oh, he's a good kid, too. So

so in Vegas to Reno in 2009 was a special year
and it's never been recreatedsince right it was they called
it the long way.

They did a two day air a couple years back. But
yeah, not they haven't doneanother three day one. nothing
quite like that. But so I calledJeff and I'm like, you know,
how, how do I do this? You know,how, how can I get into this?
Like, you know, I have a car butI don't have any money. You
know, I don't have the means toput this together. And he's

(43:06):
like, I don't know. You know, wetalked for a little bit. And a
couple days later, he calls meback. He's like, you know, we
can team up we can we can make agroup we can use your car
because it exists. You know,which I think was kind of a jab
at Dave not having a car at thetime. That's right.

It was being built and didn't know Kirby was
going to have it done.

Yeah. So you know, Jeff got together with
Wayne and, you know, brought jrin at the time. And, you know,
it kind of worked that out toput it together.

And then that grew, and then they start
putting out the feelers and I Idon't remember how that came to
be. I don't know who all theycalled her how they called, but
I ended up in a chase truck.
Jeff Knowles superduty which, ifhe was a

nice truck,

yeah, it was a nice truck. We didn't do
anything to it. Like we stroveit. It was fine. It was the same
as we. He gave it to us. We gaveit back. We didn't tear anything
up. Man. You thought we murderedhis firstborn and everything
when he just said we destroyedhis truck we he said there's
fiery Hot Cheetos everywhere andsome fire seeds. And I was like,

(44:13):
I don't know what any of that Idon't remember that. The only
thing we do

in conversation point to this day

sore completely. So boy, yeah, so he
the only thing I remember usthat was bad and Adam Woodley
and Dan Barcroft and Jr. Sorry,not Jr. RJ RJ Brown. That's my
dyslexia kickin in there, RJBrown. RJ brown and Jeff on day
two broke down in the middle ofnowhere and we went in with a

(44:43):
car on fire. Don't forget thatpart. To catch fire there. I
remember. Yeah,

I don't breathe.
It was just a flash up. Butyeah, it was just after the
driver hand off, and they tookoff out across that big lake bed
and another fuel pump failure

and lit it off.
But after we recovered them, itwas late it was it was caught
10pm in the dark and we had likea three hour drive in they guys
worked on all night long. Youknow, Greg Mulkey was there
cooking cooking food foreverybody, but we're leaving.
And I was driving in AdamWoodley, you know, is in the
passenger seat in the front andwe're, I think we're three wide

(45:21):
in the front four wide in theback of this crew cab I mean,
yeah, and in Jeff and RJ theyhave their their fire suits, you
know, they didn't have shirts onunderneath. It was 130 degrees
outside, and then at least he'llput yourself in a race car so
we're all in we're stinky ashell just and we're stuck like
bare skin stuck to bare skin andthey're in these bunnies. These

(45:43):
suicidal effing bunnies we'redriving and I've got all of Jeff
had all these chase rack lightson and we're going down the
highway with lightened it uplike a like a football stadium,
just and Hall in the mail withyour car on the trailer behind
us trying to get to where youget to Hawthorne maybe it was
Hawthorne Yeah. Get to Hawthorneto repair the car. And these

(46:05):
frickin jackrabbits. they'd runout in front of the road and
just stop and we would mow them.
I I won't say we killed 100 100rabbits like there wasn't
hitting the brakes. You weren'tgonna check up you weren't they
were enough send it and Woodleyis like dying man. What's up
with all these suicidal bunniesI have his own voice in my head

(46:33):
talking about these suits.
Otherwise, I never seen nothinglike this. Man Adam magnanimous
seen anything like this?

Unknown (46:41):
Nope.

But yes, I think Dave put together that
team like calling everybodyRidgeway was on that team.

bridgeway was Dave's other driver.

No, he burned the car down or car burned down
with him in it. I don't.

Unknown (46:54):
Yeah.

Who was the who was the CO driver for with
Ridgeway? That's the I racked mybrain. I couldn't come up with
that. I don't remember. Yeah, Icouldn't come up with that. And
then you had a Napier and Randyslawson Mike's Lawson was Randy,
skydiver and Benny camp.

Dave camp was the other Australian

yet the other Australian? That's right. See, I
remember that. And then the daybefore? Yeah, I don't know that.
That was a ratio. We weren'tprepared. That was a learning
curve for all of ultra for andthat, you know, our fueling
systems and deadheaded rails,how much? You know, we came out
of that race. And Wayneredesigned a rail racing rail

(47:39):
system. And pretty much everyoneended up converting to that we
had gone we were rock crawlersin 2009. We were still
effectively rock crawlers. Oh,yeah. And just trying to learn
to go fast. You know, I rememberseeing it was it was a video
with it was an interview is avideo interview with Ben Robin
apart. And he was standing inhis shop in Southern California

(48:00):
and he looks over his shoulderand there's a there's a trophy
truck or, you know, a 7200 truckor something. It was a desert
vehicle. And then on the otherside was a rock crawler. And he
like he points at the desertcars like I mean, this car has,
you know, 4050 years oftechnology behind it. There's
rock color, but we've got fiveat that point, right. So just as

(48:22):
in now, so I posted you know,just this past week on you know,
the talentegg insiders page.
Like what's the next big thing?
Right? What's the next we'vefinally seen tech flowing from
ultra for to trophy truck right?
We see four wheel drive trophytrucks. That was stuff that we
used to get laughed at for.

Well, I mean, the herps did that four wheel
drive truck several years backthat I know short on front wheel
travel on a wait him wait a lot.

And it never worked. It never worked out. It
didn't have any it wasn'tsuccessful at all. No. And then
I recall, you know, rolling intothat station casino parking lot
for Vegas, Reno sitting in thefront of Wayne's motorhome. And
Andy McMillan was, I mean, he'sa hot driver, and he was young.
I won't say at the time. I don'tknow how old he is now. But

(49:10):
however old he was then butearly 20s Yeah. And he laughed.
Oh, yeah, he pointed andlaughed. And I was of this
fruition that, uh, you know,everyone knew that Macmillan's
even you know, from all the wayfrom Texas knew who they were
and what their trucks were like.
He's laughing at our rockcrawler that we're coming. We're
coming to race him. And thenwhat year did the rock donkey

(49:31):
thing come out? Because PistolPete was at that event, right?
That was I

think that was kale. Ah, oh, 90809.

And then and then they race Baja, in cars,
maybe 10 or 11 or somewhere likethat. And that's where the rock
donkey racing kind of came fromout of out of Dave Cole.

Yeah, no, that's that's actually what he named
his team.

Yes. Rock donkey racing. Yeah, cuz it
actually kind of funny because aPistol Pete

Yep. It was a good slide. It was kind of
funny. It was It was great.
Yeah. No, he named his team justI was funny.

Yeah, we got off on a wall there. Somebody
needs to refill their beer. Andone mace. Yeah, as we're talking
about the speed, it's, you know,sad that we lost that guy. I
mean, he, he wrote a lot ofpeople the wrong way for a lot
of times, but he was still areally good dude, and really
always had like what he believedto be offered in best interest.

Oh, no. And I think a lot of what I think he
did it just for shock effect is,man and I met him a couple
different times, different racesand so on. And he was, it was
really nice, genuine guy. Hejust had a great sense of humor.

He's loud. And the band for life. Van flex. I
played blackjack with him at oneof those races. He was he was a
fun. He was a fun guy to playhave at your blackjack table. It
was a good dude. Speaking ofgood dudes, who I met through
you, the grasses, Mo and Jeffgrass.

I haven't heard from either of those guys in
years.

I think Jeff burned himself out. Like at one
point, there was one king ofhammers, I think he had like, is
like 13 or 14. I think he hadlike 13 or 14 motors in the main
race. It was a Yeah, it soundsabout right. It just it just
killed him. He was just workingway too hard. And and it just
didn't didn't work out for him.
Last I heard he's got a minibike track. I mean, you know, a
little mini bike races in hisbackyard. But it draws like

(51:28):
hundreds of people's, likehundreds of people and big entry

that didn't know any of that. I just followed his
Instagram for a while. I haven'tseen any for quite a while. But
he was working on, you know,classic cars and old Hot Rods
and stuff. He was back east orMidwest for a while. And now
he's back in California.

Well, I think his daughter was going to
University of Arkansas, or what

Unknown (51:53):
it was

or was going to school in Arkansas. So he was
back here a little bit. Iskipped somebody in there that I
wanted to talk about TJ Flores.
Yeah, we're talking about theunicorn. You and Mike Aiello
might be in the design guy thatwas was that fab at the time?
I'm sorry. Was that torch madeat the time? And it? Yeah.
Didn't Mike have some hand inthe TTB? Car?

Yeah, yeah. Mike actually drew the initial
renderings for that. I this.
This is a little bit of adisputed story, but I actually
still have the email to prove itthat that was drawn back in
2009. And there's an interestingfact that if you take a tape
measure to the front of that TTBcar, and my old, original 2009
sN chassis, the frame rails arethe exact same measurement. It

(52:42):
was based off of retrofittingbeams into the front of that s&m
car that we ran in VR.

Oh, wow. Okay.

So Mike had done the basic renderings and kind of
gotten it figured out in 2d butit never obviously progressed
past that. But you know, he drewall the work to torch mate so it
kind of belong to torch made.

Fair enough.
The car we're talking about isthe one that uh, it was raced by
torchlight racing with JTTaylor's the driver. Yep,

he won Reno with it. The Yep, the second Stampede
the long one,

the long one.
And then it went to Clyde Stacywith RPM racing and Robby Gordon
race. Did Robbie race it twoyears in a row. Okay. Ah,

yeah, the one year he blew the motor on the
lake bed not far in and then thefollowing year, he rolled it at
the top of wrecking ball.

And which one did he helicopter out and leave
lance?

Oh, that was the one that blew the motor up on
the leg. Mike mile 30

Yeah, Lance you can you can hang out with the
car. Sorry Lance Clifford. Yeah,

yeah, I got to get back to North Carolina Yeah,

I'm out and then there was a falling out
with with Robbie and Clyde. Inever really heard but the car
languished. It didn't get racedfor

I don't really know I've heard different here
says but I don't know any of thedetails with it. But JT got
lucky enough to get it backsomehow. And then he sold it
this week

for the second time. The second time. So we
talked he had mad you know howmuch

Unknown (54:12):
they want to know who bought it? Well,

I know you know, actually, you just you
just don't know that. You know,the guy he sold it to Wired him
on the first time the you know,a week ago or whatever this was
and he drove to in this guy hadit was done it right. rented a
house in Lake Havasu and wasgoing to use the car and get
used to the car between now Kinghammers because he's gonna you
know, it came with an entry spotso he's gonna race it in the sky

(54:36):
race in the past. jt muddimanlike have succeeded drop the car
off and the guy had full onpanic attack, never drove the
car. Never got in the passengerseat is my understanding from JT
and it just didn't work out. AndI think he felt really bad but
he just like puking panic attackover over what that equaled. And

(54:57):
for me, I'm like, man, I justfeel totally bad for the guy. I
mean, the rest of you know, weromanticize things in life for
sure. And I think heromanticized getting in that car
and racing that car. And thenwhen it actually kind of came to
the reality of it sitting there,and he was gonna have to get in
and it's sitting there rumblingbig motor and just like, oh,
crap, no, I'll kill myself onthat thing. You know,

I started No, it's a it's a fast car.

So JT was worried. You know, he called,
like, I think I called himfirst. and was like, Dude, what
happened? Because we just talkedtoday before about it. And he
said, Yeah, the issue is now hewas worried about the quality of
the car, like people are gonnadoubt the quality of the car.
Right? That's because I gotbacked out, right? And I'm like,
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, Iabsolutely do not think that

(55:43):
about the TTB car. That thing isa very documented pedigree. All
the people and partners therewas no expense spared when torch
mate built it. Nope. Then you gothrough the owner, you know, who
worked out, you know, JesseHaynes working on it. And then
you look at who, whose race car,then it went to rpm RPM, you
know, it's sitting in a stablewith geyser trucks. It's got to

(56:06):
look nice. It's got to be nice.
It's going to be up to up topar. Robby Gordon, Robby Gordon
race that car. on numerousoccasions. It is aboveboard JT,
I don't have a problem withthat. We get off the phone. Not
even 30 minutes later. Textsold.

Yeah, I saw it pop back up. It was like, Oh,
okay.

Unknown (56:26):
Yeah, well, then yes, they

sold I can't wait for the guy who who bought
it to come out make it public.
And I'm sorry, I'm just not bethe guy to drop it. But I think
fair, in my opinion, the rightguy got it. That's it's somebody
who I thought really should haveprobably bought it the first
time. And I think even showedinterest the first time around
is why I thought that and then,um, for whatever reason, it

(56:48):
didn't happen then. But here,you know, the guy got another
cut at it. And he got it. So. Sohopefully, you know, we'll see
that recent cailleach I don'tthink we'll see it outside of
kale. Ah, I think that's that'llbe the event. This individual
takes it to be of that race. Idon't I don't see it being a
serious car, but it'll do goodat Keio. Ah, it's really built

(57:08):
for that course. Really goodscores. Yeah. Yeah. So what are
your plans for K wage this year?

I sold the legends car that that Bailey
been racing that that wasoriginally the crow America car.
I sold that to father son how toNorthern Oregon. With father
Brett actually bought Napier'spinhole and never raised co h
had been down there a coupletimes was into some big tire
bouncer stuff on the West Coasthere. They came out last year

(57:40):
and finished eighth and benzelcar. My son turned 18 you know
his son have been doing somebouncer stuff as well. And doing
pretty well at it and wanted hisson into ultra force. So I went
up to Oregon over the summerthere with COVID and locked down
and all that stuff. This buffalofarmer up in Central Oregon,
made a 12 mile loop and it's 300acre field.

No kidding.

It was $125 entry fee. It's like, okay, go
get go drive a car that I owndoes some fun. So I went up
there and you know, met thehurdles. And now he decided he
wanted to buy that car for hisson. So I'm gonna work with them
next season with legends car inthe pinhole both and again with
doc Jones, another Legend's carthat we built out of the shop

(58:24):
here and well, that car prettymuch lives in Reno. We store it,
we prep it, we transport it forhim and so on. So

and I met him in Oklahoma. he's a he's a
chiropractor out of Montana,Wyoming. Wyoming, Wyoming. Yep.
That guy's a cool dude. What'shis first name is?

Jeremy Jeremy.
That's

it. Jeremy Jones.

Unknown (58:43):
Yes,

I hope Jeremy hears this because we met in
Oklahoma, and he walked up andwe were talking and I got
introduced to him. And he justwas full of cool kick ass
stories. And that goes back tothe birds of a feather flock
together. Granted, we're in a,you know, a rock field in
Oklahoma at a race of course,you know, you could throw a

(59:03):
stone hit another race. Sothat's kind of how it was. So
you'd already fret together. Butyeah, man, that guy was very,
very, very cool. And we talkedabout his his trip fab car, and
the success that he's had, andhow quickly he's had success.
Because, you know, qualityequipment.

Yeah, no, he he didn't spare an expense when it
was built. And, you know, everycar has a bug here there. And
you know, it was a learningcurve for him to get into it
near the start of the firstseason. But yeah, he's he's
really done well with it andtaken off, and we all just what
third in the series last year,second this year? Yep. One
NorCal last year, and he won'the won the Baja race last year,

(59:41):
the first one ever. He wonnationals the year before as
well. So he's, he's not shyabout getting it on top of the
podium.

He's built building a very, very quickly
build a name for himself, which,for me, when I hear name like
Jeremy Jones, got, you know, Ifeel like I'm not that old, like
I but I I'm 44 But don't feelthat old but I feel like they
might Jeremy Jones. I picturelike this, like 22 year old kid,
right? And this guy walks whathe acts like,

Dave Schneider (01:00:07):
Yeah, he's got that ambition and just, he's so
amped up and just so lively thathe, he's like, he's 22 years old
still. Yeah,

Unknown (01:00:16):
fair enough.

Wyatt Pemberton (01:00:17):
I mean, the question is, if you're a
chiropractor, do you have tohave another chiropractor to do
work on you? You do, right? Youcan't do you can do your own
surgeries, right? A surgeoncan't without surgery, right?

I actually know the answer to that question. He
has one other doctor in townthat practices the same
techniques that he does. Andthey actually adjust each other.
So they have a deal. Yeah. Ihave a secret on each other.
Yep.

That's one of those saying, that's one of
those statements where, youknow, when we talked like pre
record, I said, you know, if youever say something that comes
out like awkward, can you

believe it now and alone?

For Jeremy Jones and his chiropractor,
buddy, they're in a in Wyoming?
Yes.

I mean, come on.
It's Wyoming. They have a rubberboots with velcro in them.

Right. It Velcro gloves, right? Yep. Man.
So I want to ask you somequestions about about Bailey
Cole. Sure. And what we've seentoday at a Bailey Cole, you
know, Bailey is you know, theson of Dave Cole, owner of
filter four series. But we'veseen you know, Bailey, is really
over the years has really comeinto his own. He's racing 4400.

(01:01:33):
Now, he's been having a lot ofsuccess. He's a very fast
driver, unless you throw a pondout in front of him. And it's
another story. But he's, he'sbecoming that app. And he's
becoming a very, very gooddriver to watch. I actually
really enjoy watching andtracking Bailey Cole, in his
efforts. And you had a lot of alot of hand in, in his early

(01:01:56):
early days and early era, as heraced a train car and he still
races a tramp park today. Walkus through that, like what it
was like to tutor and to Legion,all those words.

So I kind of decided in the 16th season, I
was just going to hang it up.
But they had some personalproblems and some other issues
that year and just kind of gotburned out. And I talked Bailey
at the Fallon race that year.
And, you know, told him probablywasn't gonna race the following
season. And now didn't thinkmuch of the conversation a
couple days later, I got a callfrom Dave, he's like, are you

(01:02:29):
really gonna, like I just wannastep back, you know, take little
time off. He's like, well, whatwould you work with Bailey? You
know, what would you let himrace your car? Can we put a
program together? Okay. Allright. And so we met for
Thanksgiving weekend on down atthe hammers and through Bailey
in the car blowing. And he'srunning 9495 miles an hour,
Wayne's wash talking on theradio, and Dave's like, now we

(01:02:52):
got to slow him down thatthat's, that's not going to
happen. This That's too much.
It's like, well look prettycontrolled from here. You know,
because Bailey kept going toraces and it wasn't that he
wasn't in a good car. It was hedidn't have the support. He
didn't have the pit crews. Youknow, he didn't have the prep
and so on. Because, you know,Dave's busy with everything
else. And he didn't have thesupport. So it was one of those,

(01:03:14):
you know, can we can we worktogether with the car and put a
team together to support Baileyso that I can focus on running
the organization and Bailey's ina car with people that, you
know, can get him there and cantake care of everything.

And there's a big trust factor there.

Right. Yeah, that was for sure. And that was
one of David's firstconversations. He's like, you
know, I trust you with my son'slife. You know, I trust you to
put this together. I was like,okay, you know, I think I've
killed a couple of fish and Idon't have any pets. So yeah,
this will be great.

Yeah. You've been good with dogs, though.
You've been solid with dogs.
You've got you've got a dog nowChina. Yep. Yeah,

she actually just ran out of the room here.
Cujo? Pretty much.

So yeah, you make you say you kill things.
But yeah, you successfully beenthere. And so Bailey, has that
been? I mean, you know, youdon't have children on your own
in this regard. But has thatbeen somewhat fulfilling to see
a guy that you effectively hadunder your wing for the last
three years move four yearsmoved to where he is at today?

(01:04:21):
and competing, his level ofcompetition and his where he's
completing races and finishing?
Oh, absolutely. I

mean, you know, the first co h 17. You know,
that came in turn, turn a bunchof lights off in the tent and
you know, we're doing aninterview with Bailey and he
kind of stumbled through it andyou know, he's having a hard
time with it and watching himnow he can just walk up to any
reported boom, they turn thecamera on one take just rolls
through it like a professionaland it's, you know, it's cool to
see that growth and just, youknow, not only as a driver, but

(01:04:51):
just, you know, public speakingand you know, everything else is
education, you know, going toschool up in flag now and all
that So it's been really neat towatch him over the last few
years really mature and growthat way.

And he's got a solid solid girlfriend are they
engaged yet? Or claim don'tbelieve so.

So I don't think so. But she's been a huge help
for him as well. She's you know,she's got a great personality
and she's fairly outgoing and isquick to correct him if if
there's something going on sodoesn't erase pretty awesome.
Yeah, I don't know. She doesn'tmiss anything. Oh,

that's I's cross the T's make sure he has
his junk together.

Pretty much.
Yeah,

that is good stuff. Well, it's been pleasant
to watch Bailey's progressionand I knew a lot of that came
out of you know, the Trent fab,the fab studio, the stable
whatever. You guys build solid,solid cars all the way back to
you know that crawl cover withDerek Trent and the red 151

(01:05:54):
chassis that was called

that was actually 100 proof 100 was a

Yeah, that was a taco car and in just airborne
in it, you know, it's a Warren'slike, wow, these guys are doing
some cool stuff out west waybefore we even consider thinking
we were ever gonna go toCalifornia to race and live
alone. Did we think we weregoing to be going there every
single year in February. So thatseemed just a wild story. Back
when Tom ways was racing, youknow, Whelan that that orange

(01:06:19):
lever car that was was that carand then you guys are cranked
out how many 150 cars sinceyou've been there? That seems
realistic. That seems totallyreal too.

I haven't actually updated the list in a
while but it was at 146 lasttime I updated it. We have eight
active projects in the shop anda couple of left so we're we're
over 150 155 range right now.

And so in the shop today where you guys are at
in sparks what's Derek's roletoday?

Well after Derek has to answer the phone now that
that came from a customerrelated issue a few years ago
but for the most part Derekbends all the chassis zz he does
all the work himself that's theone thing he really likes. He's
real good with the hands on youknow, the lexin like we make
splash boxes for going to theeast coast because their front

(01:07:09):
filtered cars so littleintricate, you know making the
little detailed pieces like thathe's real good with that kind of
stuff. But he really likes doingthe tube work and you know
basically the chassis assemblythings and he's real meticulous
about everything is squareeverything is right everything
is exactly where it needs to be.

That's where I was going I knew that was you
know what his mentality is andwhere he's at home out there and
then you're kind of the thecaptain up front making sure
that parts are coming in partsare ordered your writing vendors
assets I don't know how you dothat. How do you have you not
gone crazy and you have all yourhair or most of it

died nioxin I don't know everyone smile. It's
it's one of those. All right,step back. Take a breath don't
don't lose it on anybody. Nicepart is with since we started
working with Bailey on the racething is we've actually kind of
branched it a race program inhouse which is pretty much my

(01:08:11):
program. That's that's more myside. Everything in there now.
But while still dealing withbadman benders, and so on as
well.

So I know you do that for or at least I
thought Brian would in 4477 backwhen rhinos racing was that a
kind of under the wing tutelagething as well to a point yeah

met Brian back in 2012 at hammers and just kind
of became friends from there andI let him actually race the
original top shelf at Stampede ayear later and he you know got
himself a cage spot and had tohad to hurry up get himself a
car ready? And then that's howthat happens. And then next you
know, you're selling cars.

Yeah, I know there was a there was a guy that
was working for Rick A long timeago mark that ended up kind of
coming up and working for youguys for a little bit and then
ended up just not liking Reno atall, and came back down to have
a suit. But yeah, I started thatI can't I don't know too many
people that have worked at Trentfab, but you guys bust out some
damn work and some beautifulcars.

Yeah, we we hit a little bit of a slow down
here, this backlog of stuff andyou know, we're down to one
person that can do finish workand turnkeys up until about six
months ago. So you know anyanything involved 10 worker
aluminum, you know, interiorsand whatnot. those projects
really, really took a time delayunfortunately, but you know,

(01:09:32):
rollers chassis and stuff likethat still go pretty quickly.
But yeah, anything involvedaluminum, or finished work
really, unfortunately, kind oftook a backburner just due to
lack of manpower. And, you know,like Mark, not like in the Reno
area. The cost of living here isit's not inviting for somebody
to come move here for a job inthis industry, because this

(01:09:53):
industry doesn't pay as good asa lot of others do. And the cost
of living here is I mean, we'returning into California so fast,
it's painful.

So is that something that's on the horizon
for, for you or for Trump? Ithink you know, I think this is
a good segue. You build a newhouse now, right?

Trying to how's that been going under cocodes
almost got me to feed it on thisone.

Kick your dick in the dirt.

Oh, it's bad.
You know, when this whole thingquit or started, the county just
closed the office and said emailonly unless, and unless you're a
contractor or a realtor, theydon't respond. So what should
have been a 60? Day close backin March? was six months for a
piece of dirt? Yeah. Now therewas a lien on the property that
the sellers agent didn'tdisclose. And just, I mean, if

(01:10:39):
it was a hurdle, they threw itout in front of us.

Just so whatever to slow it down, you
know, bureaucracy grinding to ahalt.

Yeah. And then, you know, funding VA loans, new
construction loans have all kindof gone into this weird Oh, we
don't we don't know what we wantto do right now. We're not
really going to work with that,you know, let's see what the
future holds. And

it's like, Okay, well, people's lives are
in limbo. Yeah. And that's, you

know, but I have a, I have a beautiful view up on
a hill to go take a lawn chairand drink a beer and watch a
sunset. Now. So

your current house though, I remember when
you moved in there. And that'sbeen a lot of years ago. And you
used to have this again, amazingview. And now you have a view of
another subdivision.

I have a view of a charter school. Yeah, I had a
view that went all the way outacross the highway. And, like,
from the porch off the masterbedroom here, I can actually see
the new property where the newhouse will be on the hill across
the highway.

Oh, that's so so you're not moving too far?

Nope. stone's throw away. I just, I didn't
want a neighbor, you know, 100feet away. And with, you know,
multiple trailers, my toder youknow, everything else I've got.
It's a track home side yardaccess. And, you know, it never
fails. Whichever trailer is theone in the back is the one I
need next.

I think you've said that in the past as well.
And then you had and thenwhichever one you move to get to
it. By the time you were able tomove it back. You already had
like a letter from Hoa. Luckily,the

HOA thing has died off. I'm I'm not the newest
person on the street. And I'mnot the one throwing backyard
parties at two o'clock in themorning. So they don't look at
me anymore. That's kind of nice.
But you imported some heat.
Yeah, yeah. right across thestreet from me. It's great.

They're awesome. Those guys are they're
part of the rock zombies, right?
Love those guys. They rip it.
Hundred percent. Rip it. You'rejust laughing. It's cuz she gets
a bed too early. Yo, man.

Yeah, yeah. So there's that?

Yeah. Oh, man.
So what's next for you? If youget the house built? What's next
for you and racing you. You'vehad a lot of goals. And you've
checked in United talked aboutthis a decade ago about checking
boxes on on racing and racingexperiences. What races? Haven't
you you checked? What goals?
Haven't you check the boxes onfor offroad for you? Or just in

(01:13:03):
Jason in general for you?

I've only ever hit the podium at Keio Ah, once
and it was third place. That'sreally the last one to check
off. I mean, you know, I got aSeries championship. But, you
know, I've won other races. Andso the lake bed is the one
that's eluded me

salute. A lot of people help they've, you've
got finishes, though. And apodium there even at third.
There's lots and lots and lotsof people that have never
finished that race.

Yeah, yeah, there is. And, you know, I, I
don't know. It's just, it's,it's the one thing I'd like to
check off. But, you know, I waslooking to do the 4500 class
again this year, but I don't ownthat car. So kind of working
with, with a car owner and, youknow, he kind of wants me to buy
the car from him. And until Ican, you know, get a little

(01:13:49):
further on the house thing andwhatnot. I don't really want to
part with the funds. Yeah, you

want line of sight, right? If nothing wrong
with that line of sight on youknow, yeah, there's there's so
much uncertainty right now.
Well, let's even back this up alittle bit. Ky h 2021. Hashtag
cailleach 2021. You think thisthing's gonna happen?

In some way, some level, I believe it's
actually gonna go off. But howmany people are allowed on the
lake bed or, you know, how manyfeet apart we got to stay how
much, you know, face shield witha mask and, you know, ventilator
system and oxygen pack and whoknows what else they're gonna
force you to wear. But I mean, Iwas just down in the lake bed
for Thanksgiving. And that wasthe biggest Thanksgiving weekend

(01:14:32):
turnout I've seen on the lakebed in the years that I've been
going down for a Thanksgivingweekend. Not a bit of any
required rules, insight. Yeah,

it's kind of nice. It's like it doesn't
exist. I mean, I'll tell youlike where I'm at in Houston. It
doesn't exist. I mean, itdoesn't exist except for it
exists from the front door of arestaurant to the table. And it
exists in a grocery store. Thoseare the only I mean most most, I
mean, The masking just isn't.
It's just not enforced. I mean,I, I fully believe the virus is

(01:15:02):
real, please, please don'tdon't, you know, hate me and
say, you know, you're, you'reputting out, you know,
dispelling whatever. No, Ibelieve it's a totally real
virus. But I also believe, youknow, what we've seen is 99.997%
survivability rating. It's avirus, ultimately, as a herd of

(01:15:23):
humans. We all need to get it.
Yeah. herd immunity. Yeah. Andand unfortunately, that's, you
know, I think that is for sure.
In this country is death andtaxes. Right. And, and, and none
of us live forever. Taxesanymore. Yeah, mostly taxes. And

(01:15:43):
that's the thing about life,what they say don't take so
seriously, no one gets outalive.

Exactly.

Well, don't get me wrong, we all want to live as
long as long as humanlypossible. But you should be able
to take your own precautions ifyou if you have asthma, or you
feel that you are high risk.
Don't put yourself in high risksituations, or what you believe
is perceived or whatever the TVtells you is a high risk
situation. So my concern aboutco h 21. is we're eight weeks

(01:16:11):
away seven weeks away.

ish. 50 something days, I saw Levi's
counter on Instagram today, like54 days or something?

I'm glad I didn't see that. Because that's
that's not very many days,seeing when you put in days
format that feels like a lotsooner than later. But yeah, I
mean, the state shut down in alot of regards. An event like
that with permits like that,with 60 plus thousand people
getting together there under apermit. I can see them pulling

(01:16:44):
the plug on that thing. And thatwould just destroy yucca valley
that would destroy everything inthat little part of the world.
And they rely on just thedollars coming out of that lake
bed for that you know, 1012 daysof a late January all of that
first couple you know that firstweek in February I don't know I
I want it to happen like nobodyelse's business. But just like

(01:17:06):
everybody else we all want tohappen. But Gosh, I can just see
bureaucracy, playing a hand onit.

Yeah, no, I had to stop the little grocery store
there in Lucerne on the way downto pick a couple last minute
things we forgot up and grocerystore was packed. Half the
people mouth Taff weren't wasn'ta big deal. I mean, traffic, you
know, headed out towards thelake bed was just packed with
people, you know, going toCougar buttes and Bessemer, and
everything else. And when we'releaving the 247 Cafe had, I'm

(01:17:34):
not sure what was going on, likesome sort of outdoor deal.
Parking lot was packed, just Iwas almost standing room only in
the whole thing. It was justgreat. There, there had to be
7500 people there just at the247 parking lot. And, you know,
we stopped for fuel in Barstowand it looked like nothing ever
happened other than, you know,people had masks on, but it

(01:17:56):
looked like life is normal. So Ijumped

around a bunch on you. And because I totally
wanted to be this a lot moreorganic than my regimented
outline, because I do have a lotof history with you. But I also
wanted to cover a bunch of stuffthat if I, if I stay regimented,
I would probably not say or door get off on tangents, or
whatever. But did we covereverything you wanted to cover?
I miss any good stories. I knowthere's some good stories.

I have a good Wyatt story to share.

I'm all for Wyatt stories, hopefully.

So while we're Wayne's house, getting ready for
VR, and we went up to Barstowand my rear housing cracked that
day.

Okay, you remember that? Yes, yes, and
having to rebuild your house and

wanes and figured out a fix and putting
together and you're like, Oh, weget this done. We go get some
barley pops and Wayne juststraight is could be turned
around. There will be no alcoholin my home. I don't want that
around my family. And you justlike deer in the headlights kind
of got flush. And Jeff and Iboth kind of side. I looked at
each other and snickered.
Because, you know, Wayne didn'trealize that our big gold cups

(01:18:56):
for seven and sevens the wholetime.
And now I didn't know I waslike, got to the back seat of my
truck. There's a cooler.

See, I don't even remember that. But I
remember that I remember youalways wore puka shell
necklaces. And it was like alucky necklace and you hooked it
on something and the puka shellsor whatever they call you know
the beads. The beads are allover the floor and you're trying
to recover them all because ithad to do with luck. I believe
it was luck or whatever. And Idon't know if we got them all

(01:19:31):
together. But the other thingthat I saw that was awesome was
you had the dancing hula girl.
Yeah, on the dash. Yeah,

we also have satellite radio in the car so we
could listen to the Ellis show.
Maybe we didn't turn it on butit was there.

We had some damn good times. And you know, I
love what this community in whatoffered what ultra for is done
for me. And I love seeing whatit's doing for you know, younger
guys that are coming in but youknow I can trace the lineage
back of my religion. If so manyof them came out of xR a in
2007 2008. And then after that,it was everything that kind of

(01:20:08):
branched out, I can almostalways route it back to what
happened in August of 2009.

Just about that, that was a huge turning point
for a lot of the industry justit drew so much attention. You
know, because Facebook wasgetting popular pirate was still
huge, you know, race desert wason it. You know, they made the
little after video that reallycovered Well, just for the ultra
for guys. And yeah, that was ahuge draw that that really did

(01:20:34):
pick things up for the sport.

Yeah, it was viral pneus. We didn't talk
about the 4471 the first timeburning, my guy ello burnt that
thing to the ground. We alwayspromised

Mike I'd never sell him out on it.

It wasn't like totally his fault. I mean, it
was totally his fault. It was

driver error.
We're we're out of Sand Mountainhere out in Nevada, and you get
in the dark and some of thosebowls, they all start kind of
look the same. You know, you'vebeen given rides all day, and I
drove up this sand hill and hookthe front tires over and
realized that this was a poorlife choice and back down. Well
as he's giving rides to hisfriends. He's like, oh, there's
tire tracks up this? Well, itwas a knife edge about 150 feet

(01:21:16):
down on the other side. Sony gotover the top, nose, tail, nose,
tail. And then that went to acouple of barrel rolls.

Eventually the motor broke free of the mounts
and just sheared kind ofeverything off. And

yeah, motor mount tube sheared midspan of
the tube, drop the motor downwhere the headers were wedged
into the chassis, what broke thebellhousing. So pulled the
converter out, fill the subframein training fluid, the damage to
the car, some bent tubes, youknow, it needed some work the
roof panels about 100 yards upthe hill. And after they kind of

(01:21:55):
got their bearings, hit Startbutton and the starter arc in
the oil and that that was allshe wrote for that one. Now
what's funny is, so I gotJason's car, the rental to
finish race in that season and Iraced it. I had that car for
quite a few years and I ended upselling it to doc Jones of all

(01:22:17):
people. That's actually histrail rig now, things still
around, I'd cut that car apart,kind of strategically to build a
front half back in it later as atrail rig when I stretched it
and trailing arm and so on. Wellafter the crash back of it was
bent up. So I cut it back apartand sleeved the original rear
half back onto the front and putnew a pillars and reattach the

(01:22:40):
shock towers. Well, Jason, havesnn that is now his rear steer
trail rig live in life. Weactually traded cars at some
point. He got that chassis backfrom me. He finished putting
them back together and actuallymade himself a rig and he
actually has docks car hisoriginal oh nine hammers car my
rental back in his garage rightnow putting rear steer in it for

(01:23:03):
Jeremy.

Oh, wow. Yeah, come full circle.

Unknown (01:23:07):
Yep.

So have you guys seen a revitalization and
crawlers?

Yes. Yeah, the the trail trail wheeling seems
to really be making a bigcomeback. Especially with sand
hollow getting so big. You knowmore people just want to
recreate not so much race thattrail cars. There's a lot more
interest in in and I'd like tosay we we have one already, but
I have a drawing a one I justneed to actually get somebody to

(01:23:34):
turn into a reality.

Right? So that's what it felt like to me.
You know, a lot of my friends.
Well, I don't blame them forgetting out of racing. I got it.
I mean, it's expensive and timeconsuming. But man, we do love
it. There's a reason why we doit. I mean, absolutely sure love
of the adrenaline and the chaseand he and chasing dust. There's
no replacement for it. I mean,you can't even synthetically get
that, you know, it's just itjust doesn't exist. No, but you

(01:23:59):
know, like, me and my buddyChris summers, you know, summer
summers has got his rear steerhis rooster came out of the
Northwest too. But um, yes, itseems like there's been this
real resurgence of guys who werecrawlers in the mid 2000s chased
dust for you know, 567 810 yearsand are now returning help.

(01:24:22):
Lauren Healy has a has a rockcrawler now.

Yeah, he's got a red dot. Yeah, it's pretty cool
bill to see in person. They theydid a lot of neat things with
finishing that out for him.

Yeah, that's it's, I say, you know, got
wrapped recently as it was, too.
So, you know, picture yesterday,something like that. But anyway,
yeah. And then I asked you aboutTJ floors earlier and then I got
sidetracked What happened tothat car? What happened to that
4400 car that TJ finished outthat you guys started? Mike,
I'll design the front end on

the ifms one.

Yeah. And he raised it as Brett gigaba from
foil parts. His car is that Whatis that? Is that the car that
the bender and him broke theirbacks in? Yeah, shut up.

Yeah. Yeah that that's, I think I got his last
name right. Yeah, goober.

I'm not sure how to say. But yeah, for for
parts about that often TJ whenit was done and TJ had race that
was like it had a trophy truckbody on it even at one point.

It was a pro two pro four body that he trimmed
down and, and hung on and heactually raced it in trophy
truck at Silver State 300. Andhe was actually fourth on the
road when the rear drive linefailed, and did an around the
world under the car and prettymuch took all the plumbing out
of it. Oh, he said he was goingabout 120 when I let go. I don't

know if you can see that. You can listen if you
just see this lightbulb above myhead just shattered. I had no
idea. Their

eyes got huge.

I did not know that was the genesis of that
car. I had no idea. Huh?

Yeah. No. And actually the straight axle the
green and blue on that was inthe Lv DC colors like his class
one. Yeah. He actually TJ had apretty good hand in the layout
of the leading arm frontsuspension on that car that made
it work so well. You know, inbetween Shane from Bill Stein
sent me a bunch of old likeKirtland dubh photos and video

(01:26:13):
clips and so on are the oldfactory jeeps with leading arm
solid axles. And, you know, TJ,you know, making drawings back
and forth, send them back andforth to each other to get the
front end of that car figuredout is you know, he ran that car
for a couple coaches for us.

Wow. Okay, well, I'm kind of glad glad I
remembered to bring that backup.

TJ was a lot of fun to work with.

He just like to go to bed early. Yeah, yeah, he

got up at three o'clock in the morning. But if
the sun went down, he was gone.
Completely.

Man, I don't want to end on a TJ Flores story
but uh, did we cover everythingyou want to cover? I'm not so I
wanted to I have a good time.
I've been blessed you know Ilook at the show is like a you
know, ability to somewhat giveback to ultra for and get back
to offer and get back to myfriends but man, everyone that's
been on has been for the mostpart has been a while they've

(01:27:06):
been a friend after but wasalready a friend before I knew
before I had some relationshipbefore a man we were you know,
we were tight a decade ago. Andthen after the unicorn kind of
got built, we just didn't talkfor a bunch of years. I think
that there was somewhere inthere that people thought you
didn't thought May I didn't likeyourself. I don't know what
happened in there. But you knowhow miscommunications happen.

(01:27:28):
But you know, I was very happyto rekindle and run into you at
kth the last couple years andand it's always good to see you
out there competing blessed tohave guys like you still in my
life. But I think a lot of usare still happy to have you in
offered and offered most wordslike I said the walking talking
off road encyclopedia if there'sif there's a part that somebody

(01:27:48):
needs to solve a problem that ifthey asked you about you would
know the part number even that'sthat's what I think about you
when I think about

or at least how to cross reference and look it
up.

Yeah, exactly.
Something along those lines. Manto all the successes you've had
in in in rock sports and Amandamany more. I know you're not
hanging it up, but I'll see youhopefully in February, hopefully
on the lake bed. If not, andhopefully we're there. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, man,if we're good, we good. We're
good, man, guys. I hope you guysreally enjoyed this episode with

(01:28:23):
with Dave DSI Schneider man, itwas a good trip down memory lane
for me. I enjoyed it, Dave. Ihope you did too.

I did. Thank you.

On that note, guys, we're out.

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