EP 43 Josh West

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Intro/Outro (00:02):
Let's drop the green flag on this episode of
the talent tank podcast withyour host Wyatt Pemberton
bringing you the best, fastest,most knowledgeable personalities
and Ultra4 and off road racing.

Wyatt Pemberton (00:20):
All right, here we go. back at it back in the
saddle. sitting here looking atme. This very sexy spell mF for
Joshua West Josh West. How areyou man? Oh, I'm pretty good.
Just this view is killing me,man. too ugly.
Staring at each other right? Orour wives are so blessed. Okay,

(00:43):
so I've got I've got you here.
People don't get to see this butwhat I can see what are you
sitting in your Are you sittinglike an Etsy shop?

Unknown (00:51):
Yeah, no, the wife does all these like, I don't know if
they're magical potions orlotions or whatever. There's
Look, there's even a cat Butlike I say

there's two two like crocheted cat buttholes.

Unknown (01:04):
Yeah, that will did. We can have conversations on the
things she makes. You should askJesus and Johnny about that.
They? Wow, there's some veryinteresting koozies out there.

Well, I think you're there's no shortage of
lube jokes around you. Exactly.
Well, well, guys, if you'retuning in, and you're curious
about this guy, Josh Weston whoI have on, he's kind of the the
guru behind the scenes over atCBM Motorsports. He is the
tuning guru behind a slew ofultra for drivers. I mean, I
mean, it's like the nonstopyou're kind of the thread that

(01:36):
everyone holds that holdseveryone together, or holds the
tunes together. Right?

Unknown (01:43):
They may and that's a that's a thin thread right
there. I mean, it I don't knowif I'm the thread or the lucky
one or unlucky one or what butit's a lot of work. So run

through real quick because I don't have it
written down but I know it is arun through your current podiums
that you had, you know, just Ithink when I talk to your kids
this year, you were somethinglike you had something like 40
podiums and for years cars thatyou had the tune off

Unknown (02:12):
oh man yeah the chaos the courage this year was was it
was a good good outcome. He hada I know we took the poll but I
think we had six or seven carsin the top 10 for the poll but
then we swept swept main hammerspodium and I think we swept EMC
or one office we've been EMC aswell and it The thing is, it

(02:35):
doesn't just go to engines builtit's not just counted in as
tuning or electrical or howeverwe've helped on the car. So
you've

had you've had your hands on some level some
portion of a lot of cars.

Unknown (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, their hands on some portion I can't even
count anymore I mean it it's gotto be upwards of probably 50% of
the field maybe even more Seethat's

something that's something else in the the
casual spectator or even the thecasual ultra for guy or the
neutral for guy that's in mightnot know or might not realize
that, uh, all these other guysthey're using the st You know,
one of the same vendors, I mean,we can see guys on nitto tires
or guys on BFG tires, those areobvious. You can see spidertrax
axles versus curry axles, youcan see you know, a Ford Motor

(03:24):
versus a Chevy motor in Kingversus shot box, or ABS or
bilsteins you can see theBulldog winches versus the one
which you can see those but whenit comes to the tune

Unknown (03:37):
that you're standing, you hear it that's what you do.
It's one of those weirdcommodities that it's hard to
describe. I mean it is we get tobe involved with a bunch of
different people and at the sametime, it's one of those little
things a lot of people don'tthink about it leads into more
though there's more than justtuning on the car. There's just

(03:57):
the rest of the car and theelectronics and how things are
set up and what's going to liveand what doesn't and been
involved with so many we reallyget to push and test and retest
and see what's working with somepeople and what's not then you
know, there's some teams we keepthings very secret and some
teams don't care and a lot ofthe information will get shared

(04:22):
to a point but you know if weget asked not to share it, we
don't share it.

Oh, that is cool. You touched on a subject
there that that I did like thatyou said he had a lot of people
they don't given a ton ofthought into the processor into
what's going on there and it isvery, very important. Doesn't
matter how boy howdy your motoris or van motor or big boy motor
is Casey Gilbert. It doesn'tmatter what you have there. If

(04:47):
you don't set it up, right andthis year for the EMC race. We
saw Kade rod in in his car, verynew car goes out. Terrible. He
had a terrible run in quality.
Find hands up what it stuttersstumble and he ends up taking a
back of the pack starting EMC.
And what does he end up doing? Irun into him somewhere in hammer

(05:08):
town and he asked if I've seenyou and I call you or I text
you, right? And then I give yougive his number to you. And
you're like, well, I don't knowwhy you why he needed my number
here. He had my number becausemy tune was already on that car.
But it was a starter tune. Abuilder tune we still needed to
put motor tune on it. So thatyou could race it. Right? Right.

(05:28):
Yeah, no

Unknown (05:29):
it unfortunately that happens a lot guys end up on the
timeline or they end up behindor whatever and with with Kate,
I don't know it. I have no clueit. I made a tune for that
thing. Man. I think last year itmight even be it was when the
car was new, maybe a second racethat it had on it. And I built
something for it and email thatto them and then nothing ever

(05:50):
came of it after that. I figuredhe took it somewhere else. I
didn't even know it was still inthere until hammers and then I
look at it and like Dang, that'sstill what I emailed you. Why
are you still running on this?

Cuz it was a guest It was a swag just to get
it started. Get moving. Get itout the door onto a trailer. So
it could come and get on a dynoand actually get worked into it.
Yep,

Unknown (06:11):
yeah. And then it It had a sensor fail. And that's
what happens when stuffs not setup. Right and something fails,
then it runs like crap.

And you end up with in this case, a back of the
pack start for the main race forYeah,

Unknown (06:23):
yeah, he went it stumbled and bumbled. He made it
what 50 feet off the track.

Yep.
Immediately in someone's thoughtit was watching, we thought it
was by design, there's somestrategic benefits that you can,
you know, some silver linings totake in the back of the pack,
start. If you are indeed a veryfast car. That means every car
that you pass, you're gonnagain, you're gonna gain time on
the leaders on corrected time,which is amazing. You can't be a
slow guy and take it back, goback start, you've got to, you

(06:48):
got to put your big boy pants onand tie a brick to your right
foot.

Unknown (06:54):
I don't think it was intended for sure. But I know
cades one that could pull it upfrom the back of the pack. But I
don't I don't think his hammerstrip was intended that way. I

don't think so either at this point, and I
encaged sorry, I don't mean tothrow you under the bus. But it
was a great example of somethingthat was very recent, that had
real outcome of your qualifierdidn't happen well at all. And
it led to a back of the packstart for the race and you think
about all you know, it couldhave been any racer that it
could have happened to and allthe effort that go into it and

(07:26):
all the work that goes intogetting shown up the hammers on
the have something what seemsinconsequential because it's a
guy with a laptop plugging intoyour car, but it's a really
important piece of the puzzle.
Right?

Unknown (07:37):
It is and it mean it it's hard to really convey to
people the importance of havingeverything set up, right I mean,
yeah, and I don't mean justtuning but the whole car as far
as fuel system and electronicsand everything else. There's a
lot of things that work andthere's a lot of things that
don't work that people are stilltrying to get away with.

We're gonna jump into you we're gonna
flashback and talk about you. Sosay that subject matter expert
information about what works andwhat doesn't work and what burns
out what number now, we're goingto talk about that towards the
end of the show, because that'sthe stuff that I've got you on I
would pick your brain on whatthe crux is are but don't give
away any the secret sauce. So ifanyone's wanting super, super
secret sauce, you know, you knowwhere to get that at you call up

(08:18):
Joshua CBM or you can find himon Facebook. He's on there every
now and then. He's not that bigof a social guy. Most people
have been blocked. So

Unknown (08:25):
yeah, well, the blocked part. I know you got that right.
Oh, man.

Well, So Josh, we were gonna go way back. So
this weekend, ultra for isracing in Kentucky and by the
time everyone listens to this,the race will have been this
past weekend. And hopefully Iknow it's a mud bath out there
or was going to be because itrained all day. Yesterday I
guess so. I think that datesthis everyone's gonna be like
well, shoot. He recorded this onThursday. All right. Well, here

(08:51):
we go. So there we are. SoMonday we're going to retrospect
you know, Josh Bleiler wins therace. Whoo. Yeah. Bailey Cole.
You know, he gets second hepulls one out you know, you
know, in his big white car Yeah,you Bailey. Anyway. But but to
it, Kentucky. It was this pastweekend. Rush. And you you're a

(09:13):
Kentucky guy yourself?

Unknown (09:15):
Yep, straight up Kentucky boys tobacco farmer we
grew up right out of Bedford.

So I didn't pull up a map of this is me
being unprepared because I knewyou're Kentucky but it didn't
occur to me to actually look atwhere Bedford is. Where yeah

Unknown (09:28):
30 Turtle right next to That's what

I thought.
Yeah, that's exactly what Ithought. Yeah. And that's that's
a great that's a great funcourse.

Unknown (09:36):
Yeah, no dirty turtle is awesome. Actually. My dad
still lives right down the hillon the river from dirty turtle.
I mean, it's if I go out therewe go straight down in the
Bedford and straight into theriver and there's my dad's
house.

And what's the guy's name that owns dirty
turtle?

Unknown (09:50):
I honestly do not know.

Somebody talk to him because I think he has an
airplane. I think he was the onewho he was one of the guys that
was a talk to about possibly Inhis plane to go get James
Schofield out of Palm Springs.

Unknown (10:05):
I didn't know that not as cool.

I may have all my wires crossed, but that is
what's going on in my head rightnow. Like that's, I feel like
there was some connection there.
Maybe I'm a little off butthat's all right. How long were
you in Kentucky till 18 yougraduate high school and you
blow that popsicle stand.

Unknown (10:20):
I went to University of Louisville for a year, year and
a half and then I got out ofdodge. So I think I was 1920 and
then move straight out to Idaho,which was very, very adventurous
trip I had a y j that I put upto Barrow carb frickin 7350 in

(10:41):
and it had still the Dana 35 inthe back and a soft top and a
turbo 350 and I I think tomyself, I'm gonna take this
thing across the country. Well,that was a dumbest thing I ever
did in my life. I've made it toWyoming and it was freezing cold
and it was leaking oileverywhere. I thought the drain
plug was leaking or something mybrother was with me and we pull

(11:02):
the plug out thinking that youknow it's just leaking past the
threads or something and no, Igot so cold that night at crack
the oil pan and there's nothinglike driving a soft top freakin
y j with a frickin you know, 150horse and

across Wyoming piano turbo

Unknown (11:21):
350 it's screaming it can't scream because it's just a
clapped out piece of crap. Andit's a soft top and it's you
know, freakin negative, whateverwas out. All pass.

What made you decide to leave Kentucky and go
to Idaho like, like, I see like,leave Kentucky and go to Texas
or Florida or New York orChicago or California but Idaho?
Nothing. I don't want to offendanyone from Idaho in or at
wherever there's,

Unknown (11:50):
I had some friends that were out there. So I already had
a place to go and a job linedup. parents had gotten divorced
and the farm sold and therewasn't anything really left
there. So it was just time toget out.

I gotcha. So so i think i have so I was in Idaho
just a few weeks ago. I trulywas. So I like it. It's a
beautiful country. But every daywhen I think about this T shirt
I saw when I was like I wasprobably 16 years old and said
it said Idaho no you to Whoa.
And it just makes me I alwaysthink about the way it was
designed. Oh,

Unknown (12:24):
no, no, no. It's always been you know, growing up,

were you in a motor sports or sports or
wheeling, obviously you end upwith a Jeep at some point, you
know around the high school youwere How did you go from being a
kid you're running around on abicycle with training wheels to
to get into Jeep and head andIdaho.

Unknown (12:46):
My brother was the one that was more into playing
around with their bikes and fourwheelers and everything man I
wanted to be a professionalfisherman. I had a boat and I
had all this stuff. We had thistiny little pond and I had this
little two person boat and I'dgo out there and you know, I was
built danced it myself butnobody else my snakes fallen in
the boat. Yeah. My brother had aJeep, he had a jeep and I beat

(13:11):
the hell out of it on the farmand then decided I needed one
and I got one and the creekflooded one time and I thought
that you know, normally it'llflood and get up in the road as
Cantrell he knows Flat Rock roaddrain and Creek he's it's a
pretty good area when it rainsand that's where the our farm
was back that road and itusually get, you know, foot 16

(13:31):
inches deeper so well. It didn'tget washed out front of the Jeep
disappears, then this log comesalong and tears it in the rest
of the way. And so my first Jeepwent down the creek.

Oh dang.

Unknown (13:43):
Then after that it was no holds bar it was by another
one, cut the four cylinder andhalf when it threw a rod and
then just put a 350 in it and gofrom there.

So you've been mechanical pretty much you know,
and that's the farm side of you,right you if you break it you
you figure out how to fix it.

Unknown (13:59):
100% Yeah, it was I was actually welding the motor
mounts in and doing everythingwas where I kind of cut my teeth
learning the weld. So that was africkin tombstone stick welder
sitting there on the farm andjust put it all together. I
think I was I did that at 18 andyou know, rewired the rig and
just my dad looked at me like Iwas crazy.

Oh yeah, the buzz box. See that's what that's
what I learned to weld it was abuzz box and then you didn't get
the high school and they had aMiG you know, we had MiGs plural
and getting used like Oh man,this is awesome. And then you go
back home to the farmer andyou'd have to fix something you
have to go get the 7018 out ofthe out of the freezer and he
kept he kept it dry right andthen and then yeah then a meat

(14:46):
you know I get to college Ibought myself my own MiG but
yeah, now it's like can't even Idon't think I even have a stick
welder.

Unknown (14:52):
Though I don't even have anything now I will get to
that part but I had a fab shopsold it and now I'm we moved out
here and garage is emptyeverything's at the shop I still
don't have crap here.

So you learn how to build you know whatever
explore whatever becoming youknow your your infancy of being
your mechanical abilities yourmechanical aptitude. Did you
know Cantrell back then?

Unknown (15:17):
Oh yeah well I knew Katie is fiance, her family the
Smither family and this is oneof the only cuss words I'll give
you right now which my dad namedthe shitter family because we
hung out with our brothers weplayed football with her
brothers and because I think shehas like 82 brothers or
something like that actuallyit's a four but so we always

(15:39):
hung out and she was little andbut she was out there with us
beating the hell out everybody.
So it it now she has Cantrellwhich you know she's perfect for
him keep him in line

he needs he needs he needs everything all
sorted out nice she's she'ssuper sweet my interview James
she she helped him out in thebackground before getting him
set up he he needed the help Ineed help now I like him a lot
but that's that's awesome Ididn't know you guys actually
grew up near each other kneweach other which you know how
many guys in ultra for are kindalike that like there's pockets

(16:11):
around the country of guys youknow kind of you're like you've
got the all the Purdue guys outof Indiana how they were kind of
from your close areas then youend up in Michigan the
Gilbertson and all those guysthen down by Miller those guys I
mean it's just interesting Iknow California is the same way
there's myself miles again andKelly Kaiser there's a big group
of us that all race or co droveat some point in life and over

(16:34):
for all from some little BergenKansas but that's pretty damn
cool. So you end up from there.
You take some classes atLouisville Where are you
studying?

Unknown (16:43):
Math Math major

see your smart sob I'm going to strip to just
just knowing you for what I'mknown for is your smart sob but
you're a huge dude. Like whatare you 6364

Unknown (16:56):
I think I'm six four and I the huge I mean I've been
trying to get smaller lately tooand I still think I'm like 230
right now but yeah i idefinitely a lot of people in
the first meet me they don'texpect lurch to get out and walk
up to them and you know they'reused to this the smartass online
and that doesn't you know youdon't take somebody like that

(17:18):
and imagine them to come at you

you're right they're huge that your your
online your online persona doesnot match your in person persona
you are one of those some guysmatch some guys don't i don't
know if i do or not I thinkdefinitely asshole fits in
there. Price pricing for you isprobably why we like each other
so you know before I go forwardon that on that line, you did

(17:42):
you play you play High Schooland football as you've mentioned
this Katie swans family Yeah,okay. Yeah,

Unknown (17:47):
I played football. I got actually got hurt playing
basketball, got hurt in highschool, had a surgery had no
surgery in college and othersurgery another another another
and ruined a lot of things andmade me rethink life a lot. And
I ended up getting my kneereplaced at 31 I think as he
broke a bone as a teenager andlike, they never caught it. Then

(18:08):
it splintered off and justwrecked my leg. My buddy DSI.
He's got a leg problem.

But if you walk better than DSI or worse than
DSI,

Unknown (18:16):
I've seen you walk normal. I've walked better now.
The one the one leg was bad. Imean, it got to the point to
where that's why I sold the fabshop I had was I couldn't work
anymore. couldn't walk. Icouldn't do anything. It was
atrophied down just straight. Imean, there was nothing left.
I'd wear a pair of shoes out ina couple weeks just dragging my
leg.

Oh, Jesus.
Yeah, I mean, that's you that'sa full full day. I mean, you're
on your feet all day long in ashop and you're walking your
walk 12,000 steps inside thesame 3000 4000 square foot area
just right. Just open it it onlyget got worse.

Unknown (18:51):
I mean, I think we do.
Man usually it's five miles orsix miles a day at the shop now.

Wow. Yeah. So you spread out so you remember
when Jesse Haynes just had hislittle three car garage that he
was building out of over therewas he in sparks? Yeah,
somewhere in there that he'dstill probably weren't you walk
10,000 steps but all inside thatlittle bitty garage we talked
about he wore like six inchesout of the concrete walk in
circles and that is stickytires. They pull concrete up.

(19:18):
Yeah. You blow this popsiclestand you get out of Kentucky
you leave Cantrell behind. It'sa bad breakup. He cries he runs
off he meets Katie there theyget engaged they're still not
married yet. He totals a coupletracks and and then gets
internet famous and then youmind you In the meantime, you
are over there running around inIdaho. What was the genesis? Is

(19:39):
that where you had you open justopen a fab shop? Is that where
you were at? And I know I didn'teven know you had a fab shop.
I've always known you as atuner.

Unknown (19:46):
Yeah, no, I came over and I I went to work for a
welding shop. We did a bunch ofwhitewater raft frames and a
bunch of other stuff. So we gotI got hooked on the raft and
really bad when I first movedout, and then learned how to
weld Better there and then endedup going to school to get the
degree I have now but I waitedtill I was out of school to

(20:08):
start the business.

Brian Gillespie, you know that name?
Yep. He just started a raftcompany. He works in Park City,
but he started doing I forgetthe name of Jordan River. raft
works or boat works Jordan Riversomewhere either. He couldn't
find what he wanted, and hecouldn't even buy it. So he
built one and then somebody sawhim and asked him to build

(20:31):
another one now he's got threethree part time employees just
building the whitewater raftingracks to fit on boats because
there's just no one making. Iguess there's a lot of people
making it but it was

Unknown (20:44):
what we did. We built the frames that went in either
the self Baylor's or the catsand then it turned into I don't
know they came out with theirown line in the shop I was
working for and then it was juststraight up cats you know there
was eight foot 12 footers 15footers 18 footers it was it was
fun fluff on tested on us forsure.

And then that part of the world like we were
just up there like I was saying,like the snake I mean there's no
shortage of places to put a raftor kayak in and nothing to stop
you.

Unknown (21:15):
Oh no not at all. And it was the you know, the snake
which just helps canyons thereal fun part to raft and then
you know there's the salmon andthere was no shortage of rivers
we could hit and the nice partwas we had permits so a lot of
the rivers snake and the salmonwe never ended up having to get
permits for it.

Okay, because I that's what Brian had explained
to me that you had to apply forcertain permits and you could
take your stuff certain placesand not certain places and
different times a year. So nowknowing what you know up there
with this current little jump inin vogue mini jet boats. make
you one there. They were

Unknown (21:48):
then, what was the company? How I can't remember
but they were doing the jetthey're the ones that originally
did Niagara Falls. They werebased out of Boise they had the
twin turbo LS freakin there wastwin engine turbo. That thing
was this was 10 years ago, 12years ago or no, it was more
than that. It had been freakin17 or 18 years ago.

Are you getting old

Unknown (22:12):
they were they were running the rivers then and
these weren't little jet boatseither. These were 40 and 50
footers, you know, a couple 1000horse and that

see I remember some big stuff. But now you know
you see like David Hartman NickNelson and their mini boat
mafia. I can't help you knowfall you can't help but follow
them on Instagram and and seeyou know some of the fun stuff
that they do out there with likeBlake Wilkie and what they're
putting out, man. I don't liveanywhere where I could do that.
I mean, I've thought about it.
It'd be fun. We've got somebuyers and we got some rivers
down here but why don't we don'tdunk alligators

Unknown (22:46):
ramps B jumps.

Yeah, he bumps so JT calls that you? I think he
calls him Duncan, but he goesyou'll be going across the news
here. Under under because JT hasthat big fan bow airboat. Yeah,

Unknown (22:59):
yeah, we do. We do airboat motors for Panther. I
think in Florida. One of thethings we were supposed to go
last year and tune a bunch ofthem, but you know, COVID

and then that happens. Yeah, you'll have to
just make a trip and go with JTwhen he's gonna be down there.
Just take his boat out ifsomething else. I've seen him a
chip on it.

Unknown (23:16):
bet that would not suck. Yeah, not No,

not a little bit, which actually, you know,
Spina jtl says right now. Thesimply for 250s this weekend,
and it's this past week. Whathowever you want to look at it.
JT is not there. He's actuallyin Kentucky. Poor guy. I mean,
he's probably he's probablylivid. pissed.

Unknown (23:36):
I bet he is. I mean, I saw we went to that gas the
first gas race last weekend. Ithink everybody was there. I
didn't see JT there but I knowDan Campbell and Dave and
Hartman were there and I mean itwas everybody was there but most
of the ultra for staff was thereI mean that's that's a quick
turnaround and a lot of work.

Yeah, I think that was a that was a concern. I
certainly a K wage talking tolike Allen and company and all
you know, and miles was one ofthose miles took the the trailer
from Moab back to Pella, Kansas.
And then he took it on toKentucky. If he did that, then
he wasn't going to go to the gasrace. And then JT JT was scoping
him to do something with thebuffalo chip in South Dakota. So

(24:16):
he did, he went there and thenended up in Kentucky with miles
picking him up. But then therest of those guys are all all
in San Felipe, a reminder state.
I mean, don't be wrong. There'sthose guys are all in same
fleabay I mean, they're all inrush Kentucky except for Dave.
Dave is the only one that Iheard Dave is in San fleabay,
which I get it, I wouldn't be

Unknown (24:38):
too well and he's got good employees that know how to
run the show. So let him That'sexactly right. And that was

kind of cool to see out of Moab that you know,
the competition review board andstuff that chip and tacos, you
know, came forward and talkedabout being in the issue of
Bailey and kind of all that inthe past that was you know,
behind curtains and you nevergot it wasn't transparency and I
think everyone's kind of calledfor that drive from a driver's
perspective for years and yearsand years ask for transparency

(25:05):
and, and you know, Dave runs hisshow, he runs it his way. And
there's a lot of different waysto skin the cat. And it's really
cool to see I believe that thisis Ryan Thomas's doing what it
looks like with Ryan Thomas atthe helm, which is fun. I mean,
it's different. And so we'll seewhat we'll see what that looks
like. Sorry, we got off on ahuge freakin wagon about

(25:26):
airboats and you guys supplymotors and in the little mini
jet boats. But so again, back toIdaho. So you're working on, you
know, your, your buildingframes, your fab shop going,

Unknown (25:38):
that was pre fab shop that was still working for
somebody else. And then Ifinished up my degree at Boise
State, actually, I've got aBachelor's in mechanical
welding. So it was a weird combodegree that they had the right
people there. And I think I havealmost like doctors years into
it. I think I'm six years intoit. So but it got me nothing.

(26:01):
What I mean by that is, is wheredo you go out and use that on a
resume or a job or anything toget hired? It It taught me a lot
of fundamentals. But in the end,you know what, what I've learned
I didn't, I didn't learn there.

What I think about the college degrees today,
and even yours or mine, I don'tdo anything that's related to my
degree either. And I kind ofnever really did for the most
part. But what I would say is,it proves that you have the
ability to learn, and thatyou've got you've documented
that you've had the ability tolearn. I know some people like
that was Oh, yeah, you have theability to just spend money and

(26:37):
take on debt or whatever. Yeah,certainly that but you've
learned a trick, your Trevor'swhat that spending looks like
and what that debt looks like.
And hopefully you make wisedecisions. And if you don't,
well, then you reap the rewardsof not or if you made wise
decisions, reap the rewards ifyou did, but I think proven your
ability to learn is huge,because there's a lot of people

(26:58):
out there. They may be smart,but they they don't learn, or
it's like their

Unknown (27:04):
kids, you know, it's the same way. It's a how, how
can you take a negative and turnit into something that's
constructive, rather than take anegative and just sink into this
black abyss and pout over it andyou know, worry about it, then
just have to move on from it andlearn from it.

Yeah, I know this. So this is definitely out
of place. Because where I havein my notes I want to talk about
this way later on, we'rebringing up right now because
it's perfect for it. But thelearning from your mistakes. And
in the day, just today's societyand today with with Facebook and
social media, and I've probablygone on this diatribe of a rant
before and everyone's heard me,you know, on this, but it's
there's no place for failure. Intoday's society. There's no

(27:46):
place for failure on socialmedia today. If, though your own
mistakes shouldn't becelebrated, but they should be
learned from and and for everytime you have success. Think
about all the times you failed,before you had that success,
like true success. And that'skind of where you're saying like
learn from mistakes. You know,if you're not learning from
them, then you're not makingthem. And if you're not making

(28:08):
them, then you're not trying ifyou're not trying and, and
that's where I see this issuethat we see certainly in offroad
Motorsports, in all Motorsports,actually. And even just in your
daily driven car that needs somemaintenance. If you read one bad
review online from a companythat's had 10,000 customers, you
read the one bad review, andnext thing you know you don't go

(28:30):
there, or I hate to use this,this one, but I listened to it
this morning on the radio wasthe Johnson and Johnson vaccine.
There, you know, they hit thispause button. Well, they've
given over a million of them outand they've had Europe had six
people that got sick from thevaccine, one died in one and up
and critical Well, that'sterrible in my book, you know,

(28:51):
loss of life terrible. But youtake the the numbers, if a
million people so nine 999,994people end up better from the
vaccine, if it's right, if thevaccines good or bad, I'm
indifferent. I'm not gonna makethat call. But But let's say
it's good. And the downside wasthat Yeah, I'm not I don't want

(29:15):
to call that collateral damage,because I think every life is
precious, but at the same time,

Unknown (29:20):
there's always something that's gonna go wrong,
it doesn't matter. I mean, it,you could build the same exact
thing, you know, as proven andtested and is is gonna work in
99 times out of 100 it's gonnawork that one time, it just
isn't it's gonna fail andsomething's gonna happen. And
you know, how you take thatthing that happened is really,

(29:42):
really, you know, that's usuallywhat I try and, you know, put
out there with people is, youknow, if something fails, let's
figure it out. Let's not dwellon it or shop, jump or keep
going to other people that aremaking promises. Let's actually
work on something and make itbetter and find where it's
Wrong.

And that's the conversation that I was wanting
to have is the shop jump and youbrought it up. And it's, there's
1000 different ways to build anultra for car. There's 1000
different ways to, I mean,within some reason, right? We
know certain geometry works,we've we've figured it out after
enough years that certain thingswork and certain things just
absolutely don't. But by andlarge, if you have one mistake,

(30:23):
let's say trans transmission,well, let's say it's an O ring,
in the valve body, well, man,that sucks. It was a, you know,
a 30 cent part took it out thefirst time it does it, does that
warrant immediately goingsomewhere else? I don't think so
I think you've got to, you know,kind of run it to ground, work
out all the other bugs beforethat. But you see this every

(30:45):
day,

Unknown (30:46):
right? But unfortunately, it's it's what
happens more times than not ispeople move on right away. And
there's no second chance,there's no chance at making it
better. It's just, you know,it's either something in their
ear, or just this constantthought of, well, there has to

(31:06):
be somebody better or somethingbetter, or the thought of you
know, it, you're just wrong. Youknow, I mean, and I don't mean
that as like I'm saying somebodyis wrong, it's just you know,
it, people always seem to thinkthat they have the right idea on
how something should go, Well,there's a lot of us out there
that do things for a living,that we're here to help. And

(31:26):
just because we say or dosomething that doesn't go along
with what you're thinking orwhat you think it should be,
doesn't mean it's the wrong way,you know, especially if it's
something that's proven or andnot proven, I mean, it sometimes
some outside input, I mean,there's cases where I call
around for help, I have a biggroup of friends, or I just said

(31:48):
I have friends, I wouldn't takethat to heart, you know, I have
a pretty good group of guysthat, that I trust that I'll
call and ask for advice and whoyou have in your circle will
really, really help you in theend, you know, you know, put the
people around you that, youknow, will steer you in the
right direction, whether they'llthey're telling you you're full
of crap, or they're tellingyou're on our track.

I think people sit back and they see you know,
the successes like like LaurenHaley has in that he always has
it together and like, or Millerthe blinders or, or you can go
or the Gomez guys or JoeThompson, I mean it they got to
where they're at by makingmistakes and, and figuring it
out, and time and time again.
And they're they're figuring outover the course of, you know,
lots and lots of races over lotsand lots of years and applying

(32:32):
their knowledge. And it justdidn't come overnight. And I
don't know, that's we seem tosee a lot of these guys are, you
know, show up, they've seen overfour on something it showed up
on an Instagram feed, or itshowed up on maybe they saw
something on TV, somehow theyended up plugged in, they
thought it was awesome. Theyhave money, they go buy a car,

(32:52):
and then they just don't haveluck. You know, they have a lot
of problems and struggle withwho to listen to. I had lunch
with them. I'll give youexample, I had lunch with Mike
Mills, and Mills has the 416. Ican't think of the guy that owns
the car, but they share drivingresponsibilities. But the 416
was built by brave Motorsportsand Mills is a course GP three

(33:15):
world champions. This guy is ahe's a wheel man, he is good.
But you know, they bouncedaround on the west coast by, you
know, getting that car worked onprep. And they not been in the
Motorsports not being an ultrafor they weren't sure who to
listen to. So they were takingthe car to who they thought they

(33:36):
should listen to. And it turnedout, they don't think they
should have been listening tothem. And so there was this, he
takes me to lunch and we havethis conversation about who to
trust and who not to trust. I'mlike, I mean, the people that
you're talking to are alltrustworthy individuals and
trustworthy shops. It just, youknow, they all have different
ways to do it. So if you bringthem, I don't know, if you bring
them a Betamax machine, and theyare only have VHS is they're

(33:59):
gonna try to shove the VHS inthere. Kind of how it works. So,
you know, is we have all thesedifferent ways. So that's where
I was kind of, you know, youstarted on that path. I
definitely want to explore thatpath. But the patient's and is
you talking to Brad Lovell, andsomething that Brad's developed
over his entire career isthey're not sponsors, or in this

(34:20):
case of your vendors orwhatever. They're partners, that
is my partner, because they'remy partner, I look at them as my
partner. This is my transmissionpartner, because I want him to
be just as vested in this pieceof equipment as I am invested in
brieant to him and my my vestingof putting this thing on the

(34:41):
podium or attempting to orwhatever that is, right. I want
to be able to walk in there andhand him a framed picture of my
car sign and he's going to hangit up behind the counter, right
at the end of the day,

Unknown (34:52):
right. You know, coming from the partner side of things
I should say. Um, you know, wewant to see people that will
work with us and that will wantto evolve rather than, you know,
it's like you said, a lot ofguys come into this right away.
And unfortunately, they thinkjust throwing money at stuff is

(35:13):
gonna cure it, rather thanthrowing knowledge at it or just
a little, just being a littlemore humble with it and talking
to people about it, and justseeing first seeing what works
and what doesn't, versus, youknow, what Facebook says works.

I'm gonna use learning. If you watch Lauren's
Instagram, he's wheelingsomewhere almost every weekend.
That's practice, he ispracticing. And so we look at
somebody that just, it feltlike, because I wasn't familiar
with them, you is, you know, thelight, bright crew, you know,
husband, wife, team, they seemlike just YouTube sensations or

(35:49):
whatever you want to call that.
They go by a 4400 car, andthey're just going to go race
and everyone's like, to handicapIt is like, well, they're not
even going to finish no way theyeven make one lap. Well, now
that you know, they finished, bythe way, they did finish, which
was amazing. They bought abomber, and they finish and they
overcame some adversity with thetransmission and some things
along those lines beforehand.
But now that I know who theyare, and I'm following them a

(36:12):
little bit, they're in a carevery week and they're wheeling
and working on the car on richon it. So now in retrospect of
them finishing k which, nosurprise whatsoever, none,
because they're always outthere, they're putting in,
they're doing the homework. Iknow where I am in the same
boat. As you with them. Theyactually, Kevin and Brittany

(36:33):
actually stayed with us here atthe house for they supposed to
be a couple weeks while we whilethey were prepping the bomber,
and we built an engine for it.
And I think they ended upstaying here almost three
months, prepping and gettingready for hammers and
everything. And they were alwaysout wheel and they were always
out in the jeep, doing somethingthat wasn't just sitting on
their ass and playing internet.

(36:53):
You know, I mean, they wereactually out running, running
their other rigs. They were outrunning trails, they were out
running everything they could toget ready without the car. Yeah,
it's methodical. And maybe evenif it's under the guise of them
getting content for their feedand their lifestyle feed and,
and which of course dials backto a compensation. By default,

(37:15):
they're getting experience,right? Yep. Oh, man, I we got to
find such a tangent that stuffwe will definitely get to. So
I've jumped off of Idaho. Andthen somewhere in there, you
you're working with somebody,you're starting your own shop
and you start your own shop inIdaho.

Unknown (37:33):
Yeah, I started my own shop in Caldwell outside of
Boise. And it was a little fabshop. I mean, it was you know, I
was stretching jeeps and Lincolnjeeps and then I started making
little parts, like amplifiermounts to mount amplifiers up
under the dash so peoplecouldn't steal them and door
hangers and other little kits.
And I ended up selling them. Ican't remember if it was for
real parts or quadratec or not,not for all parts I'm sorry,

(37:56):
Transamerica. And then theyended up having their own bill
that was the end of that. Butthe big fat side of it, I mean,
it got to the point to wherethat was when my leg was really,
really bad. And it was time todo something else. So I ended up
selling that side of thebusiness and literally just
moved to tuning. And that wasit. I mean, it was so we were
doing engine conversions andI've always wired and done

(38:19):
everything that side on my ownand then there was a huge need
for setting the rigs up rightand setting the tuning up right
and everything else and it justwasn't getting done the way it
should have been. So that's whatled me to that

you hit a spot in life in people is I guess
inflection points as Jonathantwo Haroon likes to hear me say
he hit an inflection point inlife where you had to make a
decision, right? You can't walkanymore. So you need a lifestyle
change. I read somewhere andmaybe I'm off but you did some
work for the God. You did somesatellite uplink work. So is

(38:56):
that like stuff that we're gonnasee you given like, you know,
Travis Walder a run for hismoney on.

Unknown (39:01):
We, uh, when I was still in school part of the
program, we had to do aninternship. Afghan war was going
on, everybody was deployed atgallan Field, the Air Force Base
there in Boise, or reserve base,I carry US Air Force Base, I
thought we had to do aninternship for school anyway.
And there was a rumor that theywere trying to hire so we

(39:22):
actually got hired on to comeout and build the 3116 cats and
buy fuel whites and some of themid funnel drives and everything
and then we turn around andbreak them in and that's where I
kind of saw something went frombuilding the engines. We'd break
them in on the dyno and then Iwould start tinkering with them

(39:43):
the you know, injection timingand everything else and start
making more power out of them.
Then ship them back overseas.

And so people are like excited about you know,
Oh man, this crates from Idaho.
This is a good one.

Unknown (39:57):
Well, it was cool was it was actually we're going to
the guys were deployed fromBoise or the, you know, deployed
from our area. So when they gotback, you know, we heard a
couple times about a couple ofthe engines, you know, doing a
lot better. Instead of makingbottom or what it was 190 horse
or 200 horse or whatever theywere making, we would usually
crank them up another 50 to 75.

So, basically drag racing Humvees?

Unknown (40:21):
Yeah, yeah. Those were the 60s.

Yeah, diesel's the big stuff. And then, at what
point do you get out of Idaho?
What was the point where you youdecide, you're gonna move?
Because right now you're inHesperia, right California?

Unknown (40:36):
Yep. Yep. Yeah, I'm just right on top of the home
pass, I mean, I'm 45 minutesfrom the lake bed and I back
majority of the BLM, just northdakota home there, and I think
we can we could get out to thelake bed on BLM from my house.
So it gets bought to move, letmy drive the hammers is no
longer 13 hours. I like that.
But the the change the CBM iswhat happened it the company

(40:56):
that I had, there was you know,the tuning and engines was to a
Motorsports and I got to thepoint with that where man it was
time to grow, find some moneyand grow or shut it down and
look for something else. BecauseI just, I couldn't keep up on my
own. And things were lookingreally good. And then the last
year I had it open, there was asix month period of absolute

(41:19):
just no pay. I mean it, I turnedout a bunch of work. And it I
was dumb, and let stuff go anddidn't get paid. And it almost
killed us.

Yeah, cash flow is king. Yep. And that's part of
you know, being a businessowner. Every single day you
making that and I guess somepeople that don't actually
recognize that the, the wholecapitalization of your of your
shop and monetization of yourtime, your time is a commodity,
and you hit a point where youcan't make more money at all, no

(41:54):
matter what you do, you can onlymake expenses go up. And the
only way to get over that hurdleis to hire a bunch of people. So
there's the you hit this pointwhere you either got to get big
to make more or that's it.

Unknown (42:08):
Right. And that was it.
I started this whole thing outof pocket. Everything's been out
of pocket just bootstrapping,and how do I train another me?
You know, how do I pull anotherme out of my butt and frickin
then find two or three moreguys. I mean, you just you
can't, you know, and I wasn'tgonna hire a bunch of people
real quick and just startturning out crap. You know that?
There was no way I could dothat. I

can see that, you know, we all struggle with
that, right? Trying to you can'treplicate yourself. And
sometimes you don't even want toreplicate yourself, you will
make somebody that's better thanyou. But then those guys, you're
kind of unicorns right to findthe right guy that is interested
in down with what you're tryingto do, and that you aren't going
to train him up. And then he'sgoing to bail on you for months.

(42:53):
Right.

Unknown (42:54):
Right. Yeah. And that's it. You know, we're looking for
help right now. And that's thesame way and unfortunately,
nobody wants to work right nowis really, really hard to find
people that will even show upfor more than one day of work. I
mean, as the free money's outthere right now. Everybody's
taking it and nobody's thinkingabout what's gonna happen
tomorrow rather than the youknow, the free crap they're
getting today.

It is hard to compete against the federal
government for your labor force.
That's what you're competinggets you are competing, it's
hiring against the federalgovernment. That's hard. I mean,
that's in my book. That's thethe government versus the people
when they've got the labor forceon the ticket. And that puts all
the all the demand side. That'swhy we says this just in time
economy is in trouble. And Iknow I'm getting way off way off

(43:35):
on a tangent here. But forcertain parts and certain
things, everything's backorderedin this country right now it is
because of COVID. But even oncewe get out of COVID nobody, that
labor force is just backward Youknow, I've got a buddy that had
ordered a new Corvette and hisbuild date. I think it slid for
months because they were waitingon parts to come from China of

(43:56):
all places, right but it's justthis nobody's doing the work.
How are the taxes going to bepaid to pay for the people that
aren't working right now? Rightand in having the federal
government front run your laborforce? Absolutely sucks I you
know, see it in my business Isee it in my work daily I see it

(44:16):
in my family's business whereit's literally they're tired of
competing with the federalgovernment for their like, you
say well, nobody wants to worknobody wants to work well yeah,
they that because they don'thave to they can sit home and
take the check. And they'refreaking happy. Right no work. I
mean, you can get your expensesway down if you don't have to
work just sit at home and playCall of Duty all the time.

Unknown (44:39):
Yeah, just just monetize that and get paid
twice.

Yeah, well, yeah. If you if you can, but the
rest of them they just sitaround you know, smoke weed and
eat Cheetos. Right.

Unknown (44:48):
I mean, we really wait.
I mean, I did. We're notsupposed to do that at work.

I mean, your state Yes. My state network for
the record. My my state we'renot there yet. Yeah, so you end
up in history. Hey, so do youhang out with David very often,

Unknown (45:06):
I mean, you're gone not too often, usually, we'll all
get together out at the ranch.
And then when everybody's there,but man, for the most part, it's
balls to the wall. 24 seven, Imean it, you know, leading up to
hammers, usually Thanksgiving,Thanksgiving, there'll be a day
off, and then Christmas Day,it'll be a day off. And that's

(45:26):
it. So, after that is usuallyI'll slow down enough, and we're
back to weekends off now, but westill haven't slowed down. I
mean, it's, it's absolutelyinsane. And it's just we're
getting the bad part is we're,we're getting further behind,
but at the same time, we'regonna also, you know, we need
the people now, which you know,and we're looking for a job, we

(45:47):
got a bunch of openings. But youknow, we're, we're to the point
where probably once a month,we're just going to schedule
week, nothing coming in, youknow, nothing new, just stay
caught up with what we can do. Imean, it, it's way better to be
honest with everybody with thatthan it is to over promise and
under deliver, which is the thatis your of the day, for the most

(46:08):
part, you. I

mean, we see that kind of it's so fresh
sodium frustrating. I was buyingsomething I was ordering some
today, my option was $1,000more, and I get it in five or
six weeks, or the $1,000 less,and I get it in 14 to 16. Well,
I chose the 14 to 16 I don'tneed it immediately. But you
know, the more dig around turnsout, it was probably going to be

(46:32):
14 to 16. Anyway, why pay theextra 1000 bucks? I mean, and
that's 1300? Was that the actualnumber? Like Come on, man, I
mean, and they tried to push meto pay it in like five or six
weeks, I don't there's still noguarantee five to six weeks,
it's still probably going to bethe 12 to 14 or 14 to 16 so

Unknown (46:51):
that's how we are with parts right now too. You know
what, luckily, with CBM we carryi mean i we carry over a million
dollars in inventory. And that'swhat's carried us through you
know, and now inventory isgetting lower and man like
lifters you know, I ordered somewe ordered some hydraulic
lifters in March and they'restill telling us another two to

(47:12):
three weeks and this was youknow, first week of March and so
now we've got engines justsitting there and we call around
and try and get other brandswhere we really can't because
they're not spec right now andthen what do you do I mean it we
still have no solution to thisother than just keep calling
around and price goes up and upand up because nobody wants to

(47:32):
sell what they have on hand forwhat they have

to build That's exactly right. And it's a
vicious cycle and and then herewe are and then you yeah who's
like myself for the rest of thefield just tearing fit up this
weekend or last weekend or we'regonna we're gonna wreck it and
we're gonna get replaced and youknow as an example I know the
guys that all had a ship shocksout Africa wage all those guys

(47:55):
just barely got their stuff backin time for Moab and then the
guys that didn't need him formore I needed him for Kentucky
barely got him back forKentucky. I didn't hear anyone
that missed the race that wantedto make the race but actually I
did because I believe john molewas trying to make Kentucky and
he didn't make it or was tryingto make no I mean he didn't make
it but you you did some work forjohn k which this year because

(48:17):
he had the he had the fire

Unknown (48:19):
Yeah, we actually came out the day before that. And
there were some problems withthe car that we helped him with
and then the car he went backout and something happened on
the fuel rail or something andcar caught on fire and dairy. He
came back out and we helped himget all new engine harness and
other wiring that had to getfixed and putting them where to

(48:41):
get plumbing and everything. Ithink they were there for two or
three days fixing that car. Andthat was that car that could
have went really really bad howthey got it out without burning
the whole car down. I don'tknow.

I have no idea either. I think he had fire
suppression I saw that video. Ithink I carried the video on the
insiders page and shared it overthere. Wow. I mean one that's a
that's a sexy car. You know it'sa twin to the red dragon. But
it's gray. It is a good lookingcar. But then Adam shear over
tribe and Fort Worth finish thecar out and then john lives down

(49:12):
in San Antonio area or NewBraunfels. And I know he's
looking he's looking for laborto he's looking to pay a prep
guy while he you know, realizedhe doesn't have enough free
time. There's not a free timeand under the sun for him to
prep his own car and if you havethe ability to have somebody
prep I get it. Same you guyslooking for labor? Only your
labor needs to live live inHesperia. His labor needs to

(49:34):
live like around New Braunfels,Texas and that I will tell you
in my book like as far as thecountry goes New Braunfels
taxes. It's not the prettiestarea but man, it's got a it's
got the Guadalupe River tofloat. It's got Canyon Lake,
it's got green Hall. It's gotmusic, it's got it's just got
Texas I mean, it just oozes It'sgood. It's a good part of the
country. So if anyone's watchingthis wants to go work for john

(49:58):
mole and work on a Jimmy apretty bad That's Jimmy's car
there you go in hit that guy upso yeah he had that fire could
have gone bad he gets out of itburns up the engine compartment
pretty bad lot of wiring andthen brought it to you and you
guys went to town on it.

Unknown (50:14):
Yeah, we we they did majority of the work themselves
we helped them a little bit andjust kind of pointed the way for
him and in I was it sucked to doit that way. But it was a great
way to learn the car. I mean itthey were up that cars but for a
couple days really deep. Andthey learned everything about
it.

And I think that's where we went earlier
like you go you buy a new caryou have a new car built but you
don't know anything about iteven even the pros at the pro
level when you have a new car ifyou didn't build the whole thing
from scratch, like an EricMiller would, you aren't going
to know all the details. Right?
You're gonna have to figure itout.

Unknown (50:49):
Right. And that's where you know, Miller and slawson and
I mean in Joe and frickineverybody that builds their own
cars at Campbell's and everybodythat's that's part of, you know,
they have a little bit of a legup on knowing their cars and how
fast they can fix something orif they need to fix something
where it is what's going on. Youknow, there's a whole different
understanding of your car.

freakin Absolutely. And those are the
guys that we see my friend Jasonshear, Jason knows his car
inside out. He doesn't reachthat much anymore. And he'll
admit to that and he's admittedto that. He said I'm better off
at the grill, cooking feedingeverybody but he's kind of lying
to to all of us because he islike he's in that car. He knows
where every bolt is. He mightnot be the one turning the
wrench on the bolt. But he'slooking over the shoulder. That

(51:30):
guy turned on the ranch. So heknows what's going on. Yeah, he
knows the status will beinteresting to see how he ends
up coming out of Moab. that's athat's a pretty good size if S
car could be running around onthe trees. Hopefully it survives
without too much damage him andBailey.

Unknown (51:46):
Just pull the old Gomez trick and pack a chainsaw.

I heard that story last night. That's a great
story. That was a girl

Unknown (51:54):
that was the the monsoon here in Kentucky. Was
that what it was her firstMarco's I think was Marcos ran
the car clean up a tree couldn'tget it down at the end of the
cut the tree down and then itwas the next day they were
putting chainsaws on all thecars

and those guys have some damn chainsaws. I mean
he mountain f enterprises right?

Unknown (52:15):
Yeah, exactly. It's cars. I've ever seen wheeled
chainsaw like that was frickinwell two people Tom and Tom ways
and tribes break and we're inChina. They were going chainsaw
happy on tires.

Tom is a he's a chainsaw guy to man. You can
borrow one around?

Unknown (52:30):
hatchet chainsaw, whatever, it'll kill.

Right? Yeah, that they're serious about their
saws, man. Absolutely serious.
So what's your what exactly isyour role over at CBM? I don't
know. What are you do? What doyou do there?

Unknown (52:44):
So with the 208 thing, when that was kind of coming
down to an end or Russell trendand decide there, I started
subcontract and flying down andtuning, you know, a week at a
time or so for CBM

that's what I thought I thought cuz I was
like, man, I saw you with CBMstuff for a long time. And then
it didn't seem to make sense. Sothis now makes sense.

Unknown (53:03):
Yeah, no, it was, I think for them, it was more of a
test out, you know, see if Iactually knew my shit. Or if I
was just foolish it one of thetwo. And it turned into more
after that. Now, it's at thepoint where Chris and Bruce, the
two owners are, you know,they're ready to look at
starting to retire. And nowlet's work on the next phase. I

(53:25):
mean, it's they want to keep itgoing. They don't want to just
sell it and close the doors ordo anything like that. Bruce has
his sons and curses are allalone. So it, you know, I was
brought in to see how I wouldfit into that equation, and thus
far, it's starting to fit prettywell.

So is there an opportunity for, you know,
employee buyout, or equitybuyout or anything? for you

Unknown (53:48):
that scale that's still getting worked out? on if, if
and how, but it? It's I thinkyou're right on track on on what
its gonna look like

and you're interested in. They're
interested? Yep. Yeah, yeah,that's a good start right there.

Unknown (54:02):
Right, right. Well, that and you know, it, fresh
mind comes in fresh ideas comein other things come in, you
know, let's fix problem areas.
Let's start looking at newthings. Let's bring in different
crowd and as far it's worked,and you know, a lot of the stuff
we've tested is tested verywell. And the stuff that hasn't
has just went straight to thedumpster.

Well, let's spend a little bit before I get
too far away from it. So you'remarried. You've got a couple
kids, how long you've beenmarried? If you would ask

Unknown (54:31):
me that when you know.
I look to make sure she's notlooking or listening through the
glass over here becausesomething will come flying and
hit me in the back of the head.
Shawna, right, Shawn? Yep. Yeah,we got together. And 13 years
ago, I think now 1213 years.
Yeah, keep looking. And we hadno intention of getting married.
And then we had Easton our son,and there was a decision to get

(54:55):
married. So we both had equalwrites in case something
happened, just in case somethinghappened to one of us or
something happened somewherealong the way or whatever. We
were just trying to make sure wewere both covered. We got
married nine years ago.

There you go.
And then you guys have adaughter too, right?

Unknown (55:14):
Yep. Evie? YUI six.
She's our little hellion that'sour go fast kid right there. He
he son likes to as well. I mean,he but he is the one so far with
no fear. And you know, she's theone that will come up and just
sakia and walk away laughing orcome up and pay you while you're
crying and whisper in your earthat everything's gonna be okay.
As she's inflicting pain.

Yeah, that's the younger sibling right there.
So that's the called the therich man's family. Right that
you get one of each kid you getit your boy and a girl. I don't
know if that's real. But yeah,so my anniversary is tomorrow.
And I had to be reminded of itearlier in the week when I

Unknown (55:54):
send you a text in the morning when we too. shall
remember that. But I sure ashell won't remember mine

day after tax day was how I remember it. But
they keep moving Tax Day. Right.
So I've mentally it's sometimein May. I've mentally checked
out. I'm not worried

Unknown (56:09):
like deferred tax day or you know, we can confuse this
up even more. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. So this, so yes, I have a lunch
tomorrow. And based on where I'mgoing for lunch in the side of
town, I'm going to be on, I hadto, you know, confirm with her
like, Hey, we don't havesomething going on Friday that I
got to be back and not have hadbeverages at lunch and be you
know, rates go up three or fouror five o'clock. But we didn't

(56:34):
have an event. And her responseto my asking about Friday was
well, it's our anniversary. Soyes. And I'm like, Oh, thanks
for telling me. Like, I gotplans, because I would have not.
I was not in my my frame ofthought there. 16 years, man.
But but so you guys have beentogether patient. Oh, thank you.

(56:56):
But you guys have been togethernine that's well married nine
but been together. 12 or 13.
That's awesome. That's awesome.
And my daughter's the same way.
She's the crazy one. My wife hassaid that she's going to be the
one that's going to be the onethat wants to get in the race
cars. And I have no doubt. Nodoubt your kids like going the
hammers. They've never been

Unknown (57:14):
that there's a story right there. We first year VMC
we're running in it. I took mywife down. And she was eight
months pregnant. Yeah, yeah. Andit was cold, cold. I mean, it
was I don't know how cold it wasat night. And we were stupid. We
took a tent and an air mattressand we froze our ass off. And

(57:37):
somehow it didn't kill too manybrain cells in my son's head.
But man after that, she's like,I'm never going back out there.
So we went for then we went forThanksgiving, you know, at one
year, and it wasn't so bad.
Whilst our son and the night hetook off running, you know how
dark it gets out there. And justhad the campers all together.

(57:58):
And he was running circlesaround him and decided to run
too big of a loop. And you know,there was trailers all around
us. I think wyrick was the nextone over and I mean, there was
there was nobody around us toworry about but he ended up
finding his way back. He justfollowed the light and I wasn't
that hard. I learned his lessonthat night though. cried a
little mom cried a lot more.

He lived in.
She's okay now. My wife is okay.
Never going to hammers and shewill openly so I took her to
have a Sue once and she was likeyeah, this is where I know
you're gonna bring me to thedesert to kill me because it's
so dry out here. I'm literallyI'm like that care. You know,
I'm like that actor at the endof Indiana Jones and the Last

(58:43):
crusades, you know where hedrinks the he drinks from the
wrong chalice and he just turnsto dust and falls into the dust
of the ground. That is herdescription of what happens to
her in the desert. She's likeeverything I have I'm just gonna
turn it so I'll just be I'd readout all my skin's gonna flake
off you know I'm no so she hasno interest like so that's why

(59:03):
you guys you're blessed you'reblessed right you get Matt the
hammers you get me and just meonly. And I absolutely freakin
love it. I love my wife. I lovemy kids. But I love the hands. I
love ripping it out there. Ilove going to the fire until
midnight. I love getting upearly. I love these. The hammers
are just amazing, but alsohanging with all your friends.

(59:24):
And if you've got your wife andyour kids with you doing your
own some some families that istheir thing as well. My family
is not that and I would have toentertain them as well and they
would not be fun Havers Right,

Unknown (59:37):
well no that entertaining portions hard. To
me. It's just not the righttime. Let me get a little older
and I'll take them out and youknow when they can understand
everything better and want to bea part of it. Or you know, if we
have a rig then or somethingthen that they can actually go
do something but right now it'sjust not right. Plus, I'm
running all over the place. Andthat's not fair to them.

Yeah, you're busy guy out there. Yeah, I
would see you. I mean, I thinkwe talked about This one day you
I think, I thought you saidthis, like your steps, you were
like 30,000 steps. And it wasnot that late in the afternoon
you'd been.

Unknown (01:00:09):
It's crazy. Usually it's like 10 to 15 miles a day,
just walking. And because youcan't you can't drive around
anywhere. You can't do anythinglike that. So slowly, just on
your feet all day, and it neverstops. Me get your bicycle. It
means I have to learn how toride it.

Wyatt Pemberton (01:00:24):
Big Guy and a little bike.

Unknown (01:00:26):
Yeah. Can't do a 50.
He'll just tear the tube out ofit. So that one's off the table.

With what you've got going out there, you
know, you moved to his area. Didyou meet? You know, Shawna, out
in California? Or do she Idahoand move with you? or?

Unknown (01:00:43):
Yeah, I met her in Idaho. And then, man, we were
only together a couple weeks.
And I was commuting the Oregonfor a TV production company. I
was running a satellite uplinktruck. And they wanted me to
move down. So they offered memore money and full time
position and a place to live andeverything. And we had only been
together a couple weeks. And Iwas like, Well, I'm moving. You

(01:01:04):
can come along, or you can stayhere and she came along and
she's been with me ever since.

What a great story. Maybe you might be like,
this is a terrible story.

Unknown (01:01:19):
I would have to ask her but it was only I mean, we
weren't together long at all.

I think it's a good story. I think she'll think
it's a good story or she'll

Unknown (01:01:31):
about her poor life choices.

This poor girl she's we all we are already feel
bad for like, oh, man, she'sshe's over there crocheting cats
with her buttholes I mean,

Unknown (01:01:47):
that's that's not the worst thing.

God well, so you guys, now you guys are you
know, you're in California kids,you're rocking it CBM we've
talked about a little bit aboutnot a lot a little bit. We've
talked a lot about kind of whatyou're doing. But when it comes
to like the the tune the enginetune the engine management
systems on race cars being ultrafor or drift cars, or even just
a street driven vehicle in theimportance of that. Who taught

(01:02:14):
you that stuff? Like we're like,because I see these guys that
doing? It seems like there'sanyone with a laptop that can
download for scan can can go atit, what separates you?

Unknown (01:02:24):
Oh, man I did. I'm self taught. And what got me into it
was necessity. And it the farmboy came out in me and I have to
figure this out. And I have tofigure a way out that works
better. And I have to I youknow, I just have to figure it
out myself. And that's one thingI've always heard. You know, I
remember growing up, I'd ask mydad for help. And the answer was

(01:02:46):
always the same thing, whichwas, you're smart, you'll figure
it out. And, well, it it's gotme here. So he was right on that

not without mistakes. Right? That's it goes
back to what we talked earlier.
trial and error, right. trialand error.

Unknown (01:03:01):
Yeah, no, it was trial and error. And, you know, the
biggest trial and error was Ialways knew the way something
should run or the way it shouldsound or what it should do. And
you know what, where the trialwas which was figuring out what
changes to make to do that inthe management or in the
computer or whatever, you know,and I've tuned a lot of

(01:03:24):
carburetor eggs, and they're thesame way you know, I'm at point
A, how do I get to point B andthen every rig is a different
approach.

So as you go through that, let's say let's
say let's talk about some of thehigh level points that you need
to be checking down on what arethe bullet points like the fuel
map you making sure that thatlooks right and what does that
look like for I guess you gotyou've seen so many ultra for
cars over so many differentcompetition fields that you know
about what you're looking at andwhat tell us about what that

(01:03:54):
looks like or what it is thatyou're looking at?

Unknown (01:03:57):
A lot of that it depends on the systems to you
know it when I first startedwriting Yeah. into ultra for the
first couple of seasons The onlything I did was log races i mean
you know we have two cars Yes,but while cars were running, I
would just log in log and log inlog and then go home and look at
everything and see who was driveand you could you know you can

(01:04:19):
see how people are driving youcan you can see it with their
short shift and you can see ifthey're carrying it out you can
see how they're landing you cansee everything and that really
took me to oh man you know ifthe cars running like this and
this is what this driver isdoing. How do I either convey to

(01:04:40):
that driver This is where theerror is or how do I fix it so
that what they're doing willwork because different people in
different cars I tuned the rigsdifferent based on who's driving

and are we butterfly in the throttle are we
stabbing it Are we always a lot

Unknown (01:04:56):
of jobs a lot of guys are just on off there's nothing
They're either wide open, orthey're fully closed, there's a
lot of guys that will setcorners. And you know, Rob, Rob
on and off the throttle 10 or 15times and do things that way.
And all of that gets set updifferent,

I can see that I can absolutely see that. So
you're tuning for, notnecessarily, you know, wide open
throttle bit, you're tuning forthrottle chop, and you're tuning
for, for peak power where theyneed it versus right.

Unknown (01:05:25):
That's a thing right there is it doesn't always have
to be peak power, what it has tobe as clean power, you know, it
has to be, it has to work,right? It can't delay or
hesitate or bogged down or doanything like that. It it just
has to be there when you needit. And you know that figuring
out how to get to that point,you know, it's still I guess

it's an art.

Unknown (01:05:46):
people haven't figured it out. And I it, it really
isn't that complex. Once youunderstand what's going on with
the computer, I'm going on withthe driver and the driver
usually can give you morefeedback than the computer can
too. Because there's a lot ofissues we'll find that I'll find
by just talking to the guy inthe car.

And he knows like by I'm brought Mike Mills
earlier, Mike Mills use thisstatement on me earlier in the
week or not even two weeks agonow. He said his butt dyno.
Yeah. But now now and I waslike, I've never heard that
before that. But yeah. Yeah, seethe fans, right? See the pants.
So see the pants, you feel thehesitation or that when you chop

(01:06:29):
throttle, the thing stays open,or whatever that equals you. You
get that and then that tells youwhere to go look. Right.

Unknown (01:06:36):
Right. Yeah. And that, you know, and what another thing
that will change it a lot too iseven just converters, you know,
a lot of guys don't think aboutthat. They'll throw 40 505,000
stolen for short course. Andthen they'll come back two
hammers and throw in a 3200. Andthe wild card loads up and x is
completely different, especiallyif you're running some big
monster motor, big cam and allof a sudden you put a small

(01:06:56):
converter on it. Yeah, it'sgonna be lazy, and it's not
going to do what you think it'sgoing to do.

Yeah, so I think in that's exactly those
were man, you're checking downon all my questions here, which
is perfect. We're means we're,we're unagi here, we're on the
same wavelength. So yeah, foreach course, right? Especially
like, you know, short course,you're going to see the average
RPM of all the drivers, if youtake the field, it's going to be
elevated compared to like, likemaybe this weekend in Kentucky,

(01:07:24):
I don't know what the course isgonna look like where you're
gonna see a lot of low levelcrawling, low rpm crawling. And
so that in itself itself trulyaffects how these transmissions
are reacting, which is affectingwhat torque converter you should
be running. You should berunning you know, uh, you know,
everyone's I assume everyone'srunning non lockups and or they

(01:07:45):
should be anyway and and thenyou start moving as you move
through the RPM range, you know,when they flash and when they
don't flash what is some adviceyou have for some of those
because I will tell you when iwhen i first built my iOS car,
that was a struggle that I hadwas you know, you put a big boy
howdy motor in it and you'returning, you know, just shut you

(01:08:05):
know, upwards of 800 horsepower,and you came from 400 500 on a
good day right? And you startgoing through transmissions it's
kind of it's disheartening yougo talk you know, I would talk
to you talked about your guysthat you would reach out to
Yeah, I remember talking to NickNelson about converters and then
make is like basically put thebiggest damn thing that he owned

(01:08:27):
that you fit in he he likes toeat like a 4500 and just leaves
the thing wide open throttle allthe time well, right my poles
don't clean like Nick Nelsonapparently, as I found out that

Unknown (01:08:40):
that's that's part of your difference that was
everybody likes the car setupdifferent everybody likes the
way you know differences andthat's where you can't take
approach to this as you know,one size fits all, you know,
advice wise, man, you got tofind your driving style, you
know, that's the biggest thingand all the logging and
everything from short course toa distance race or a like

(01:09:02):
Kentucky course or somethinglike that. I was only seeing
like a 500 or 600 RPM differencein usage. That was it. You know,
guys aren't really beating thehell out of these cars like they
think they are on the shortcourse. And they're starting to
now that everybody's goingfaster, things have changed
again. But in the beginning itwas not beginning for me when I

(01:09:26):
really got into it. There wasn'thuge huge difference but you
know, there wasn't many guysalso run in freakin 40 $500.05
grands doll and there wasn't abunch of guys running a true 800
horse

Yeah, that's exactly what I remember breaking
that 700 mark and it was kind oflike wow, what are you doing
like Are you retarded And myanswer to that was king of the
hammers which back car neverranking hammers you know I
didn't really build it for thatbut we can all I guess associate
with King hammers. I'm you Kinghammers. That's 10,000 drag

(01:09:57):
races. For that is on drag race.
From this rock to that rock fromthat trail to the next trail,
it's just a drag race after dragrace after drag race after drag
race. And it's hard, right? It'sit's hard to build a car to do
all that that can operate welland make good torque at low end,
where you're idling over rocksor you're in a slightly elevated

(01:10:18):
throttle position over rocks.
Versus you're rolling acrossEmerson dry lake. You're wide
open throttle push on 130.

Unknown (01:10:29):
It like Randy this year, that's one of our engines.
And it's 630 640 horse it's astock LS three headed for 27
stroker. Nothing special and hewanted it less power than we
gave him on the last car duringthe what? Yeah, the one I built
him on the last car, which was Ithink that thing was a little

(01:10:50):
over 700 and a break everything.
And that you know, and I know hewent through his spell a rear
ends and whatever the BS wentbehind that. But when we did the
other ends and he was breakingmore than now he's Branca
transfer cases and CTMS andfrickin axle shafts. And I mean,
it was just he was breakingeverything. It didn't work with
his the way he was driving. Sonow we took a lot of it away,

(01:11:12):
which that car still stupidfast, but it's not as violent.
And you have to find that youhave to find what works for you.
I mean, it's not a, you know,one engine approach. It's not a
Hey, let's build what, you know,we built those freakin 490s now,
and those things are animals,but we put that in a little
light light car, and you're notgoing to do anything but bright

(01:11:35):
crap.

And you're spat which that's a I'm really,
really glad you brought that upabout Randy. You know, to finish
first, you must first finish.
And if that means truly dialingit back. This is the first time
of I think I've had aconversation where he once
talked about the progressionwhere we've progressed to a
point that actually we need toregress back away and go back to
revert back to things that haveworked. I'm not saying we go

(01:11:58):
back to trail wheeling on 30ones. But there's a point in
there that maybe works you'redoing wrong. I don't think
there's any replacement forhorsepower on a short course
like like a Crandon. But a km hobviously we just saw, you know,
Randy finished. I know he had hehad trouble with tundra rear
ends was that a year ago, twoyears ago, I remember he was
messing around with likeToyotas, third dropouts,

Unknown (01:12:22):
I think that was a different car. It was always
been 10 inch. But no it youknow, and on another note, you
know, another thing we'reworking on right now is the
force induction on ultra for andwe have a car coming up that is
going to be torque managed,forcing, you know, supercharged

(01:12:44):
so it's not. You can adjust thepedal, you can adjust how it
puts out torque you can adjusteverything based on where you're
racing and how you're racing,and what fuel you put in it. You
know, and we're gonna range thatthing anywhere from 700 to 1000
horse depending on push up abutton.

So it will basically you can like we've
talked about like, with likeWayne is resourceful about
adjustability to shocks on thefly. Yep, you can adjust the
tune on the fly. Would that besomething that that you would
do? Flip the low range flip tolow horsepower, all torque at
the bottom of a rock trail? Andthen when you pop out flip the
flip the tune? Is that is thatwhat you're talking about?

Unknown (01:13:23):
Yeah, basically like it because everything's gonna be
drugged by wire. And with whatwe can do with that now is you
know, I can control response andeverything else without having
to D rate a motor, you know, youjust slow down the pull the
blade or you slow down the pedalinput or you slow down anything,
you know, you can get to therocks and hit a button. And you

(01:13:45):
know, the first half of pedaltravel is dumbed down. But then
if you need to get out of a jam,you just smash it and all of its
there. Yeah, it depends on howyou look at it. That's cool. I'm

seeing other implications there. I see you
know, that's going to change afuel consumption that's going to
change pitstops that's going tochange strategy. Like when
that's gone, all right,

Unknown (01:14:07):
what else you

got up your sleeve?

Unknown (01:14:10):
Our biggest hurdle right now is airflow. You know,
we're we're building enginesthat are exceeding the packaging
of cars. And we're buildingengines that are exceeding you
know, like a fast intake, weoutflow those with na pump gas
for 20 seconds, like we'll makevacuum wide open. And that just
leaves power on the table withthese engines and the new

(01:14:32):
engines are really reallyrestricted. And those are,

are you still buying LS motors are you moving
up to Gen five stuff.

Unknown (01:14:39):
Now these are LS, the gen five is going to be the
blower motor. Okay, that thatone, literally what the end goal
on that blower setup is guys cango to GM and they can buy a
$17,000 crate engine, they cando a couple little things to it.
And then the management comesfrom us and they can Have a

(01:15:01):
badass frickin pump gas desertmachine, they can run on 91 you
know, 100 f gas or whatever lowlead or you can step up for
short course there's some kindof ethanol in it and just have a
frickin monster.

And so what do you think you're going to get
out of? Those are six two's?
Yeah, yeah. And then what do youthink a motor like that will end
up making

Unknown (01:15:22):
desert, we're gonna leave them pretty conservative
probably like 700. And then forshort course, sky's the limit
just pens on fuel. You know, ifwe're setting the fuel up,
right, and the fuel system andeverything up, right? I wouldn't
be surprised to see 900 to 1000out of them.

That is fun.

Unknown (01:15:40):
But progressive. See, that's that. And that's where
things are gonna change. It'snot going to be an instant
thing. It's going to be a, let'sfigure out what works with the
car hooking up and doing thingsand then bring the power on
after you already have traction,or you're already doing
something. versus just leavingit all on Apollo River. Just
Yep, burn and burn in a trenchout trying to get off the start

(01:16:01):
line. Yep. Hi.

I like that where you guys are taking
technology and embracingtechnology and moving the ball
forward at a rate that's, Iguess, it gets us out of our own
brains, right? Our own brain isto start lines, mash it right.
And right. So do you see, I readthem when you take the devil's
advocate here that even baddrivers are going to start

(01:16:25):
getting faster? No,

Unknown (01:16:29):
I don't. Because mistakes are still going to
happen. They're only going tohappen twice as fast when you
have twice as much power andonce it hits it's no matter what
it's bad drivers are going to bebad drivers. You can't I know
you can take an upgrade cards.
You can put people in bettercars, you can do things they'll
get marginally better, but atthe end of the day, if they're
bad, they're still bad.

First of the scene of the accident. Yep. I
love it. So today your kneefully revealed your you know 15
you know what are your 12 yearson it?

Unknown (01:16:59):
Now I'm nine years on it turned 40 this last weekend?

Well, happy birthday. Boy. I wish I would
have known that. I would havetold you Happy Birthday a week
ago versus me box addicts orsomething. glitter. They were
being glitter decks.

Unknown (01:17:14):
So Colin did that wrong. McGee. Wrong. What's his
last name? The Khodro withMiller?

Yeah, yeah, wrong. Yeah, he

Unknown (01:17:22):
figured out the internet smartass thing a couple
years ago and I got a box ofdummy gummy dicks out of him.

Somebody somebody brought a package of
the gummy Dixon them officetoday. Today about another co
worker gotten delivered to himand he was showing them off and
they came to make sure I sawthem and I was like, I didn't
see him. That's funny. I arethose are those like, THC? Yeah.
Are those gummy digs? Like arethose real? They're like no,
they were just normal. Normalgummy that

Unknown (01:17:51):
non major we gift them but then we
moved in now I can't find them.

They make more every day. I

Unknown (01:18:00):
mean, I gotta actually give a shit enough to buy on.

There Sean is a Josh What is this? Visa charge
for gummy penises?

Unknown (01:18:14):
They would go right along with her koozies

Oh, shoot.
Yeah, so that's it. She stitchessome of those up. I bet that's a
thought seller,

Unknown (01:18:22):
though. She's got one that we named the Caitlyn Jenner
because it's both. Oh, wow. Gotboobs and the other part. And
Texas. Jesus ended up with thatone, which is quite fitting.

I see Matt Dallas having that.

Unknown (01:18:35):
Yeah. Fellas haven't felt double fellas.

He is such a good dude. All right, man.
You've got some crazy storiesand we're gonna go into some
crazy stories. You I can't evenI can't even so there was a
story that floating around aboutRandy slawson. We've talked
about slawson here a little bitthat, uh, that he pissed on you.

(01:19:03):
But I don't know the story.

Unknown (01:19:04):
Yeah, hold on, Kelly.
He enjoyed that a little way toomuch. I think that was hammers.
Four years ago or so five yearsago. It was one of the wrecked
rear end frickin he's left toand the rear end blows up and
he's out eating a sandwich. He'sdone with the race and I was
like, Nah, man, we're changingthis rear end because I was
helping him at the time. And sowe got under the car and change

(01:19:27):
the rear end out and it was hehad a low pinion and it put a
high pinion in it and he wentand ran some more rocks and came
back in and the drive shaft wasrubbing the yolks were rubbing.
So I got under the car to grindhim out and just clearance it
and he decided just to take apiss while I was under the car.
You know, I mean, he couldn'thave done it any other time. You
had to wait all that land rightunderneath him. just begging for

(01:19:48):
a golden shower.

I guess he's just sitting in the driver's
seat is letting it run out thecap of the race cap and the
yautja

Unknown (01:19:59):
you Yeah he did. That's one of the worst showers I ever
had that's for sure.

I've always heard the stories about you know
the the rookie or the newbie ona pit crew the car comes in it's
hot air when you know they'refeeling it I was looking for
leaks and and of course a weekshows up underneath the driver's
floor that passengers floor codeon the floor and the newbie
jumps down there and like ofcourse shoves a finger in it
then touches it to their mouthlike once know if it's motor oil
or what is it is like, it'ssalty.

Unknown (01:20:27):
Why didn't taste it, but I know for sure he wasn't
pissing excellence that year.

slawson Lawson's got a wow, he's got any
more run between doughnuts andpissing on people. The

Unknown (01:20:38):
he's a good one, though. He's actually I got to
give credit to him. He, uh, hewas the first one to give me a
chance at redoing the programand TuneIn and motors. And I
mean, it took off from there.
And I, you know, it wouldn'thave happened the way it
happened. If that hadn'thappened. I don't know. You
know, I really don't know he.

(01:20:59):
When he moved up togardnerville. I know he was
looking for somebody to wire thecars. And I just literally, I've
never met him before in my life.
I like cold text him on frickinmessenger on Facebook and turned
into me help him.

And the rest is history.

Unknown (01:21:14):
The rest is history.

So you do a lot of that. I mean, when it comes
to you know, we talk about CBM.
We've done just a lot of talkingabout just the tune tune work
and what you do there, but youdo you guys do a lot of other
stuff.

Unknown (01:21:27):
Yeah, we do. I've always done full chassis wiring
CBM has always done it. And thenwhen I came in there, we really
changed it up, you know, tookeverything to a higher quality.
And it's still something that wedo. And is it worth it? Yes. And
no, it's one of those thingsthat it's still kind of on the
fence on what do we proceedwith, you know, and my most

(01:21:50):
important thing right now isjust engine development, and
just durability development andkeeping up with, you know, just
things that are going to lastand live in, you know, we don't
have to worry about at all.

I didn't like when you know, shopping for
wiring and how expensive thatwas really gonna be like to do a
really good job that allows you,you know, WeatherTech or milspec
connectors and making this thingto where it's serviceable. It
doesn't chafe. You can prep thecar and take things out without

(01:22:23):
having to de wire the whole carthings along those lines. Right.
And then you even back then,and, you know, the first kind
of, I guess, insight I had tothat was just seeing the stuff
that was coming out of theCampbell shop, you know, the
back of their dashes and how,you know, they're like, their
airline or airplane wired. Likethere's, you're just beautifully
done. And in order. I'm like,wow, that's actually done. Wow.

(01:22:46):
Smitty.

Unknown (01:22:47):
Gerald. Gerald is a badass Gerald is he's one of the
guys that I you know, I neverknew him before and then started
helping the Campbells out. And Ican say he's pretty good friend
now. And we've, you know, I'velearned a lot from him. And he's
pulled some tooling in and stuffthat we had at the shop, he came
out one time after he wired thecar, that UFO car, and we were

(01:23:08):
just behind and couldn't do it.
And they went to him. And therewas a couple little things that
he needed to work on. And heliterally came out on Saturday,
and I was there tuning on othercars and this opened the shop up
and he came out and helped. Andit was it was awesome. I mean to
to have somebody actually carelike that. You know it. That's
the people who aren't helping.

Yeah, I've heard that now. I'm not reading
but I've heard that that he isthis ladies race family. Right?
That is good stuff. Is thatsomething that you like though
you because I know like whenwhen the builds go on? It's like
the last 10% of the car takes90% of the time which the wiring
plumbing is in there? Is thatsomething you enjoy? Because I
know a lot of people that theydo it but they absolutely

(01:23:49):
freakin hate it.

Unknown (01:23:50):
I enjoy it if it's not dropped on me the week before
hammers. And then that's when Ireally hate it. Because it's
it's nonstop and grueling and ifyou mess up, you're going to
ruin somebody's day on it. Youknow and that that that goes
back to our saying it's just weget so busy in prep that there's

(01:24:10):
a lot of cars that get finishedlate, you know, it just that and
that's the majority of our beingbehind it's not that we're
behind it's that we're trying toaccommodate everything in every
car getting done is the best wecan and it it you know, I'll
sacrifice two months to do it.
problem with that

so you It takes mental prep, but then it also
takes a you know undividedattention because I can see that
if you're trying to multitask.
Yeah, you're you're gonna wirethe fans to the clutch or
something, right? Yes.

Unknown (01:24:46):
No, no, it's not that bad. It takes a lot of attention
and the attention is the hardestpart. And usually if we get
behind or if I have to wire acar, I won't schedule anything
else or I'll do it on my daysoff because then Nobody messes
with me. All

those are the days like even my wife says,
like it's the Saturday or theFriday when you know like, it's
like Good Friday and nobody'sworking. No one's in office, but
you work from that you actuallyare productive and you get stuff
done because you're not beingyour attention isn't being
pulled away from the workproduct that you have set in
front of you. Absolutely. I seewhy Saturday would be amazing.

(01:25:22):
It's when they start making theSaturday as a work day and then
everyone's there. And it's justanother day that you're running
70% productivity and yeah,

Unknown (01:25:30):
we usually we don't do that with with everybody. You
know, we'll pull in some keyguys if they need to work on the
weekend, but we're not going towork everybody on Saturday. And
it right before hammers theyreworked a bunch of stuff and JP
Gomez's car, so I think, Oh man,it was Christmas Eve, I flew up.
I think I came home ChristmasEve, I flew up measured the car

(01:25:50):
flew back down and then builteverything and shipped it up.
And then Jason Lafon, you know,terminated stuff on the chassis
side, or did some other stuffthat he had to do. But that was
full frickin PDM display. Youknow, really cm, it was not a
little quickie wiring job.

So you do a lot of work for the Gomez brothers.
What do you think of them? Imean, what about the operations?
They're awesome.

Unknown (01:26:14):
I love the Gomez brothers. I mean, they're,
they're easy to work for, youknow it with them. You know, you
just have to understand thatracing isn't full time, and the
cars aren't full time. So if youneed to talk to them or explain
things to them that you know,you just make sure you explain
it clearly, you know, not justassume that they'll understand

(01:26:34):
everything you say,

because they're there they are, mentally they
are focused on that race carwhen they're around the race
car, but there's it is afraction of the of their life.
Right?

Unknown (01:26:45):
Yeah, no, there's no, there's no dollar value to that
race car. I mean, you know, it'sit's, their dollar value is to
mountain F. And you know, andthat's, that's their life, you
know, racing is. I wish I was atthat point where racing could be
fun and a relief and or releaseand go do it. Because you want
to go do something fun.

Yeah, well, we'll get there. We'll get our
problem now. I can't promise youBut uh, but that's the goal,
right? Yeah, that's, that'salways the goal, to live and
breathe it live and breathe. Icouldn't walk away. I mean, I
walked away and realized, All myfriends are still doing this.

Unknown (01:27:21):
I'm not very good at making friends. So I better
better stick to stick to thegroup I had, even if they're
terrible, you me both. That'swhy you know it. I erased the
two years there and are at EMCtwo years in a row. And once I
started working, I really haveno desire to want to race and
really screw everybody over bytrying to get in a race car.

(01:27:43):
Because then I focus on myself,you know, and with us helping so
many people. How do you how doyou help people and focus on
yourself?

You leave easter eggs and all their tunes.
The works. Oh, man. So you got afunny story about Pamela
Anderson?

Unknown (01:28:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah, well, I mean it you know, how many guys
out there trumped of feeling orup or doing things and one of
the things that you know, wewhen I was doing the TV stuff,
we subcontracted all thenetworks and everything and she
was in Vegas doing the magicshow with Hans Klok who she was
always joking hauling callingpawns caulk and so the the two

(01:28:26):
or three days we were doingeverything with her I was the
one that was got the mic or upso and it was three o'clock in
the morning and no makeup andyou know, a T shirt on and
that's it. So you just kind ofbounce your hand up a shirt and
hopefully you hit the rightthing.

Well, that's pretty anticlimactic. I mean, I
was really hoping for more outof this story ever that you
would sell it more I mean,

Unknown (01:28:47):
I sell it but man how much there was to sell it was it
was you know, a little bitleather bound at that point. Oh,
so this wasn't that long.

All right.
Well, yeah. A diamond in therough on a story. I was like,
ma'am, Pamela Anderson. I mean,yeah, I mean, way back when but
you're Yeah, okay. You'reprobably right. And then. So
yeah, you were doing stuff inVegas. And you run around with I
think you did some stuff withyou're traveling with the the
mccain campaign when he wasrunning as a mama.

Unknown (01:29:16):
Yeah, when he ran against Obama, we're doing the
private uplink on the Republicanside. So I had a little, like
1.2 meter dish that flew aroundand we handled all the pool up
blank when he would. When he wason campaign, that little thing
went with me everywhere. Thatlittle 1.2 I mean, we did that
with McCain. I went to Southpoint Hawaii with the weather

(01:29:36):
channel, Jim cantori. Waitingfor Flossie to hit. So we're
literally on South point Hawaiiwith this friggin 1.2 meter diff
set up and they're doing liveshots and I'm stacking rocks
trying to keep this thing fromblowing over and all the
Islanders are party in justtelling us we're retarded.
There's no hurricane that'sgonna hit and sure enough and
never hit. A bunch ofearthquakes did but no hurricane

in so you've got you know crazy awesome
stories like that. You probablywon't To download Campbell out
there and you didn't even knowthat you probably cross paths
with them

Unknown (01:30:04):
probably probably not you know i don't know i don't
know when too many strip clubsor you know I don't know if he
was trying to cut his toes offwith pressure washer then to as
he is now but

yeah he's always in flip flops though I
saw him at hammers in Boots I'veseen him wearing like cowboy
boots for well

Unknown (01:30:26):
go from flip flops to Callaway boots were they like
the super pointy long ones Imean it definitely declared his
status

now he could have definitely passed for for
you know they were good theywere you know the straight nose
you know stem nose or whateveryou want to call them walked off
whatever whatever I where Ilooked I was like man those are
good like, I really think he wasin like Amarillo and saw a bomb
and storm off of bums feet andlike Amarillo like that's
probably where they came

Unknown (01:30:52):
from. I could see him sizing up laying down next to
him and seeing if they're theright size. Yeah, and then steal
him. You replace.

Your setup reminds me of his wasn't the you
know, him talking to me aboutyou know, his wife sells a bunch
of scrubs and lubes and natureproducts. And so I don't know if
you've had this conversationwith him but based on the
background, everything thatShawna has at your place with
just shelves and shelves of abeauty products. You and Dan

(01:31:22):
Lloyd Campbell have a lot incommon there. Yeah, we

Unknown (01:31:25):
we we definitely laugh at each other every time we walk
by each other. That's for sureyou smell good.

You have the best skin and ultra for both of
you. Yep. soft hands. Well,

Unknown (01:31:37):
you know, soft hands comes with keyboard fingers so
you can't you can't be a workingman and have soft hands you have
to just not use them I guess

yeah, there you go. And long fingernails. Oh,
yes.

Unknown (01:31:49):
Just one man

Josh I'm so glad you came on I I know when
we first met you years ago andthen online your online persona
and and you have you definitelyI've heard stories of rubbing
the wrong people or rubbing theright people who ever the wrong
way. And and then once I got toknow you I'm like man this this
guy's frickin hilarious. It wasit was some issue it was maybe

(01:32:15):
it was Doug's axles. I'm gonnaI'm gonna say I bet it was
Doug's axles bill. Yeah, it wasPhil and it was like the best
mean would get a T shirt orsomething. And you rattled off.
I don't know. 100 Doug's actualmemes and they were absolutely
off the wall. Hilarious like Ishould have actually probably
saved some of those. Yes, and Ididn't win the vote. I mean

(01:32:41):
Well, that was rigged to beginwith.

Unknown (01:32:43):
I mean, oh, yeah. That was rigged to begin with. But
no, it you know, we all have tohave a release somewhere and it
I joke in person too. And Idon't I don't know if people
take it the wrong way or whatbut it's my smart ass doesn't
change from online to in person.
That's for sure.

Yeah, you got me in Oklahoma. at Nationals.
Last year you were sitting up ontop of one of the chase trucks
was a Dave's it was somebody.
Yeah, you're up on top of thisChase. Are you sitting up on the
rack? And I'm we're strolling byI don't even remember what you
said to me. But it was somethingso inappropriate. All I can do
is start laughing. You turn andjust climb up the truck and sit

(01:33:22):
down next to you and hug youbecause I didn't even know you
were there. And you just rolledsomething off, like

Intro/Outro (01:33:31):
falls out?

Unknown (01:33:32):
I mean it I don't know.
I do. I know. I've got prettyquick with jokes and one liners
and coming back and but it Idon't know, shit just balls in
my mouth sometimes. And I don'tknow if I'm conscious know what
I'm saying? Or not? Or, or ifit's just, you know, like some
inner demons that need someexercise in or something.

Right. Well, man, I'm glad. I'm glad to know
you. I'm glad. I'm glad youagreed to come on the talent
tank and let's share your story.
And like you said, a lot ofpeople have certainly seen your
name on Facebook, they've seenconversations with you. But you
do you seem to keep a pretty lowprofile Unless, you know you
need a tune and and then peopleknow who kind of the people that
know know, they know who to gofor and track you down. But a

(01:34:14):
lot of people don't I want toyou know, kind of your other
because I said it was like youknow i the tie that binds in the
beginning like this commonthread. But you've turned into
be this guy that is put a lot ofyou know, it is it's your
suspension tuning, it's theright tire, just the right
equipment. But if you can'toverlook that your engine
management and you can'toverlook, like wiring and some

(01:34:37):
of those details, but you'vemade you know, as you've
rebranded yourself, you've gonethrough multiple iterations or
multiple inflection points inyour life and found what's next
and you've continued to, you'resmart guys, so you've continued
to evolve. You've continued tofind ways to be better continue
to find ways to help people andI continue to find ways to put

(01:34:59):
money on the table and on myhotel food on the table, make
money, put food on the table,right? I'll get something right
at this point. But yeah, in thisiteration of your life, I'm
excited to see what where thistakes you and what your next
thing is, I'm glad to call yourfriend and all that. But thank
you for coming on, man.

Unknown (01:35:18):
That Thank you very much. I mean, we're, I I'm
excited. This is, you know, oneof the, I don't know, it's been
a long time since I've reallylooked forward to what's to
come, you know, it, working onmy own and things kind of not
really going south, just I mean,it, it was constant, just non
stop, work, work, work, hardwork. And now, you know, being

(01:35:38):
able to take a weekend and playwith the family and do things
and it, we're finally hitting astride where things feel right.
And it, you know, it's reallychanged me too. It's, it's
changed, my personality haschanged the way I deal with
people change the way I interactwith people and it, you know,
I'm thankful for the opportunityto get this far and see where it

(01:36:00):
goes. Well, I

think you nailed it right there, we lose
sight of the prize when we'reworking, you know, six days,
seven days a week, and that'swhat happens, you know, leading
up to K wage, I can't tell youhow many fights happen in my
house. I know they happen in allthe other ultra four houses
leading up to km h are leadingup to pretty much any race, when
you're spinning your dedicated,you know, the car, the shop gets

(01:36:23):
more time dedicated than thefamily and, and then plus, you
know, if you have a day job oranother job, you know, whatever
that is, if you're not a fulltime racer, that's, or you can
afford a prep crew. Yeah, youlose, you lose sight of the
prize. I mean, what's reallyimportant at the end of the day,
it's your wife, it's your kids.
It's your quality of life. Andsometimes we'll we'll burn a
candle at both ends so hard thatwe're beat up right up. And by

(01:36:47):
the time we finally leave forthe race, the car, maybe you're
ready, but mentally, mentallyand physically. You're, you're
done. I mean, and then you goget in the car, at least US East
Coast racers, we get in the carand then drive, you know, get in
the truck or whatever and drive2024 hours to the west coast and
then just be just show up at thestart line already handicapped.

(01:37:08):
I mean, it's just, there's alot, there's a lot there, from a
mental standpoint, from aphysical endurance standpoint
that I think you hit it right ifyou if you I mean, you weren't
racing, but I saw I mean, I sawwhat you did during the seven to
10 days, just out the hammers,you were walking 15 miles a day,
on a different car on adifferent car on a different

(01:37:30):
car, and it's just a constantdemand. And that just wears at
you.

Unknown (01:37:35):
Right, you know, things really changed getting down here
leading up to hammers it uh, notleading up to hammers leading up
to moving hammers used to belike almost a six week adventure
for me. I mean, I would go onthe road, we still live in
Idaho, I would go on the road.
And first go finish wiring oncars, or go wire cars or go help
people and then finally end upat hammers been hammers for two

(01:37:55):
weeks. But the month leading up,I wasn't even home, I was
already out working. And nowthis year is the first year and
nine years I've actually beenhome for my wife's birthday,
which is February 6, which is sohow you know it. I actually left
race day and came home becausethere's there was at that point,
there was nothing I could do.

(01:38:16):
And now we're 45 minutes fromthere. I Mazal go home,

and a live show is just that good. All right.
I'm not telling everyone toleave the lake bed. But the live
show is good. I mean, I I wasalready on race day,

Unknown (01:38:29):
but we watched it from the hot tub

with beers, did you send me a picture of you
drinking beer in the hot tub inSalt Lake?

Unknown (01:38:37):
I think you I think you did. You might have never I
would never ever do that ever.

Oh, man. Well, I said I said it already, Josh.
But thank you again for comingon. We cover all the bases that
you wanted to wanted to cover. Iknow we could do the same
interview again tomorrow wouldbe completely different. But

Unknown (01:38:52):
yeah, no, it's I think we're pretty much good to go.
Awesome.

Well, thanks for coming on everybody. Josh
West CBM. Man, awesome. Ifyou're looking for a job and
interested in moving toHesperia, he's your guy.

Unknown (01:39:08):
We're open we got we need help. I mean we you know if
you can work for free, that'seven a bonus for us. In six

weeks straight leading up to the hammers
nights. It's not that bad. But apays good and is in California
where the weather's great. Andyou're close to 45 minutes for
our hammers.

Unknown (01:39:25):
I get a chance to work with a lot of rigs, a lot of
high horsepower, sand cars, racecars. I mean, it's a whole
different world.

And you're leaving out the biggest part you
get to work for me. Right?

Unknown (01:39:37):
Yeah, right def itself.
I don't know if that's apositive or negative or what
that is at this point,

man. Well, Josh, thanks for coming on.
Thanks for agreeing to come onthe town. Thank you, everybody.
Josh West CB Motorsports. Man.
If you guys are looking fortunes for your engines, get your
engine management up to speed. Iknow sounds like a commercial
but I've just seen it so manytimes. You know, we told the kid
Rod story, the very beginning ofthe show. And it was just
heartbreaking when I found outthat that was kind of what that

(01:40:05):
was something that had fallenthrough the cracks and I've seen
it time and time again. It Ohboy, Josh here. All right. On
that note, Josh, thanks forcoming. There. We are out.

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