EP 45 Jeremy Dickenson

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Intro/Outro (00:02):
Let's drop the green flag on this episode of
the talent tank podcast withyour host Wyatt Pemberton
bringing you the best fastestmost knowledgeable personalities
and ultra for and off roadracing

Wyatt Pemberton (00:21):
all right all right all right, here we go.
Back in the tank. We're loadedup we got this uh, this this
crazy guy is kind of you know,not in everything today like he
his name was floated around awhole bunch before but as you
guys clicked in, you probablyheard his name rambled for for
four years. He worked around foryears. He's working for S RR s
these days working for Clyderock bounce on world But uh,

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he's no stranger to Baja. He'sno stranger to ultra for He's my
good friend Jeremy Dickinson,straight out of the state of
Tennessee. Jeremy, how are youtoday? Man? Good. Good. You ran.
I'm here. So pretty shallow. Hewas talking about you know, this
weekend is a, you know, well, wejust had, you know, rush
Kentucky a few weeks ago. Andthis weekend's the Kentucky

(01:04):
Derby. And I'm like, Oh, yeah,Kentucky Derby this week, up
there in your state. And I waslike, Wait a second. The state
north of you. You're fromTennessee. You're from Johnson
City. Right. Johnson City,Tennessee. Yes. And then you you
lived in Texas for a while. Butuh, but from Texas standpoint,
somebody called you a Yankee,right? A Yankee, according to.
So I worked for Michelin forabout six years. And one of my

(01:28):
first sales calls representingMichelin, the guy is a trucking
company. And he literally he'slike you, you know, I introduced
myself. You do your little salespitch. Right? And he's done in
Texas. Right? And he's in Texas.
He's in Austin. Right? Again,introductions. He goes, boy,
you're a Yankee, aren't you? I'mlike, No, sir. I'm not a Yankee.
I'm from Tennessee. He goesanything out of the great state

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of Texas. You're a Yankee? Well,according to you, yes, I am. I
am a Yankee, then. I don't thinkthat I am. But yes, sir. You
know, like, how do you say thatbeing an intro sales call, like,
you don't want to make them mad?
Like, get out of all. So that'sdefinitely the first time you've
heard that because you guys aredefinitely south of the Mason
Dixon. Right. I mean, yes.

Unknown (02:13):
You could probably trace your roots back to the
Volunteer Army, right?

Jeremy Dickenson (02:17):
It was I wasn't gonna bust the one out,
you know, where it's, what haveyou been to the Alamo? You know,
all the other names out there. Alot of them come from Tennessee.
So if it wasn't from Tennessee,then I don't know if Texas would
be there or not? No, it'sabsolutely right. All those guys
came from from there. DavidYaki. Jim boy, all them. Yeah,
yeah. Yeah. Well, we're gratefulfor him.

Unknown (02:39):
Texas love Texas. I love Texas. I'm not gonna lie.
But you moved down here. Andhonestly, I think the last time
I saw you was I saw you in FortWorth at tribe. What was that?
It wasn't coming close to a yearago. Maybe? Yeah, it's somewhere
in there. But you see, I'd metJT there. Yes, you're right. You
were picking up the truck. Thetruck that you bought from JT

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and then I dropped some axlesoff to JT. Yep. And yes, and
Roxy and Robert. And it was likethis impromptu. It was
definitely during COVID becauseno one has gone and we didn't
give a shit. And we were alreadytired of it like because I like
gas stations were still awkward.
restaurants were still closed,like close. So this was early on

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in COVID. One, and then we allget together and there's all
these pictures of us hanging outin the shop like these impromptu
group photos and be like, whatthe hell? Where's your mask?
Where's the social distancing?
And we're likewe're having a Texas COVID
party. Forget this stuff.
God, yes. Amazing stuff,honestly. But then I actually

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started getting hammered thisyear. Yep. Little bit. We hung
out a little. Actually. I wasracing with old Jamie McCoy and
g force racing. That's why I wasout there this year. And Jamie
just won the you for UTV race atRush, right. Yes. And the
championship last year as well.
He's a solid Woods racer, iswhat I've been told, but I've

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never met him. I call him asurgeon in the woods. But he is
impressive if you put him in thewoods.
So what what happens to him whenyou put him out in the open
desert? Not just good. No, hegoes even faster.
It took him a little bit to readthe terrain, you know, in the

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desert section where your, youknow, your whoop, start gapping
out a little bit. You know, yousee those shadows. And instead
of powering through it in theUTV he backed off and you know
he got some I was yelling in hisear. Don't slow down go faster,
you know. So don't breakwhatever you do don't break and

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then he picked up on it reallyfast. But yeah, we just had some
unfortunate circumstances on thefirst lap of our race that some
mechanical malfunctions and wegot into pit one B and after
that our crew got ustaken care of. And we pushed
hard and sad to say we, we ranout of gas with about eight
miles to go. Oh, that's rough.

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So in the summer I said, Youguys are so tight. It's so
small. If he's like, now you canliterally take your left hand
and just shove down on his knee,right? Yeah, yeah, I guess you
could say that. Yeah.
I mean, you're already kind ofholding this catheter and
whatnot. Anyway, so it's justone more thing you got to do.
You hold the unofficial break,right? So yeah. Did you ride

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with him at rush? I did not atRush. That was john Arnold.
John's normally his co driver,john john boy's been or, you
know, with Jamie's from day one.
You know, it was one of thosethat john came to me asking us,
I would ride with him a king ofthe hammers that, you know, I
had a little bit more rockexperience and knew the trails a
little bit better. And, youknow, in the desert as well. And

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Jamie asked me and, honestly,the first time they asked me
out, I said, No, because I justdidn't want to take john boy
seat. I just I didn't think thatI needed to because, you know,
obviously I knew Jamie, but I'venever been in a car with him.
I'd seen him race. I know. He'sjust one heck of a racecar
driver. And he you put a helmeton him and, and he's on a

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mission to get to the front ifhe's not sitting on pole. So it
was impressive. For him to hehad a hiccup in qualifying. We
started 13th we sort of had anongoing joke that it was JTS
lucky number 13 because JT hasgot a really good relationship
with Jamie. We ended up I thinkat one point they said we were

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sitting third corrected Tomfifth or sixth on the road on
the road. But then we again wejust had some mechanical
malfunctions and we dealt withthem and and hit one B and ended
upstalled us for about an hour and
a half. And then we passedeverybody going into spooners

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from what I could see and what Iremember we made it to almost
top let's call it top 10 Jakebersih was actually top five he
finished top five and we pulledin behind him out of issues.
Jamie was a little impatient andbroken axle trying to get around
to guys winching so we backedoff there and I took a nice

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little jog from auto issueschocolate Thunder to camp to
pick up an axle and everythingdid change it out and went back
andmade actually really good time
again, but then we ran out ofYes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. is running
the 4400 class in a UTV sincenow that you've you've done it

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with your front runner and mybook who I consider some maybe a
front runner. By the way, I needto jump off jump tangent first
thing. It just occurred to meyou actually said something
earlier that you were sitting atMcCoy shop and it just occurred
to me all the trophies behindyou. They're all number ones and
tear down in Tennessee battle inthe bluegrass. Ultra. there
you're there is okay. I inthat's where you're sitting.

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I'm I'm smart. But sometimes theobvious escapes me and I wasn't
paying attention. And I waslike, Wait a second. I'm looking
behind you. I'm like, Wow. Imean, you're you're better than
Josh West. He had, like handloadlike shelves and shelves of hand
lotion and crocheted shit. Imean, his wife makes some

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amazing stuff like koozies withpenises or koozies with boobs.
But he had these crocheted cats.
And they were turned it was thebutts of the cat. So it was the
crochet It looks like a haybale. You know, like a big, like
a big round bale with a cattail. Except for it had a
different color butthole. Andthat was what Josh had in the
background a week ago, but yoursyet, actually trophy got a lot

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of hardware behind you. I mean,it's he didn't he didn't pre
stage those cat buckles at all.
Did he know I don't even thinkhe recognized a writing. I'm
like, What is that? And heexplained it like, man. Well,
whatever your wife does, I meanin she makes good money at it, I
guess. But yeah. And then youknow, behind us, again, a ton of

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hardware. It's like having theconversation when you you're on
Skype with with Josh Wyler andit's just rows. They're adding
on buildings just for trophyrooms over there. Exactly. 20
years align mountain races. Solet's let's go back to where I
was going. I got sidetracked onthat conversation. So you're
racing King the hammers, you'rewith Jamie McCoy. You guys run

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the UTV race you run out of gas.
Now that you've been in thatcar. What is your thought and
your opinion of the guys likethe you know, the the Miller
boys, the Miller brothers andKyle Chaney going and running in
the 4400 class in their utvs andbeing contenders Where do you
stand on that? What's youropinion? That's tough. I have a
lot of respect for those guys.

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And I have a lot of it's not aneasy question, is it? No, not at
all. Like the only thing thatpops out at me
Right off the bat was there wasa picture that came out of that.
With Shannon Campbell coming upbehind. I want to say one of the
Millers, it might have beenCheney, I don't know. I don't
know, yellow, yellow, black andwhite. Right? three cars, I

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couldn't tell them apart. So sothe first thing that popped at
me was safety. Like, that's justthe way I look at it if you can
spread them out. Yes. But Imean, you're talking a 6000
pound car versus a 2000 poundcar. And if there's a UTV in
front of Shannon Campbell, youknow, 100% of the time, he will,

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let's say, pre LASIK, hewouldn't see that UTV in front
of him. Because I'm havingflashbacks now of the XR Ray
days where he literally droveover the top of clay Gill strap
and clay comes off the finishline. And like Campbell I had
the line there. What happenedand and Chen's line was, I guess

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you weren't fast enough or youdidn't take the route line
because I drove over top of you,all I saw was a little blur
inside my helmet and I keptmoving forward. So thanks for
the attraction type of thing youknow, so that but but going back
to that, if that's the onlything that scares me, I think
the utvs have come a long way,you know, obviously can AMS
making a very large impact onthe market with what they're

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putting out. And new TVs ingeneral Yamaha Honda Kawasaki
all the you know, in what yearwas it was at 19 that McGrath
took a stock Kawasaki out therewith 30 fives and just put a
cage on it met safety tech andand finish the UTV race. To me
that's that's pretty impressivefor those quote unquote, the

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what Dave used to call golfcarts, right. Desert jet skis.
Yeah, I mean, it's the onlything that scares me is if you
if you TV in front of a 4400car, how does that 4400 car
legally and safely move that UTVout of the way if they if they

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don't move? So kind of you mycolor around that, in my opinion
is, you know, in the rocks, it'snot a problem, right? I think
the utvs are faster, morenimble, more capable in the
rocks than their bigger cars.
But you get out of the rocks youget out of the Canyons at in
using King and hammers is thecourse you know to talk about.
You put them in the open, youthrow them out across the lake

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bed, they go you know, they'llbreak 100 Ultra for car breaks,
you know 130 Mm hmm. And butthat UTV, it throws up the same
amount of dust. And when thatdelta that speed delta is you
know, like 30 miles an hour, andyou pop out of the dust going 30
miles an hour faster thansomething that weighs a third of
you. God help them I just justgot help on my end, especially

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if there'd been let's saythere's multiple cars in a pack.
And that dust is super superthick. I just don't see it. It
somebody gets somebody getspunted hard and it totals a car
but I mean, on the flip side, Isee the other side of it. For
110 120 grand into one of thecams that was racing 4400 for a

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lay person like you were to gobuild one versus you know, a
factory sponsor guy. He's gonnahave less in it, versus going
out there against like CodyWagner's you know, pure sex car.
I mean, that thing's 750 k fornow. Jordan Pellegrino, his car
is up there, but let's just sayby and large, we're talking

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about 300 to $400,000 on theaverage ifms cars that are
800 850 horsepower, you know,slawson one this year, and he's
his car isn't that you know,it's solid axle. I bet he's
probably still 160s maybe Idon't know. I don't know what
exactly is an orange but I didhere was a you know, back to
another Josh wesco. Josh waslast week said that Randy they

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they dumbed down the motor onhim he dropped horsepower, just
to make the car live andapparently that strategy frickin
worked. Yeah. So I'm impressedon
Randy. I'll give him credit ofand I take the same from Adam

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cheer, you know, with tribe likewhenever I first moved to Texas,
you know, I was in Austin for alittle bit and then I moved up
to Fort Worth. And I just jumpedon the tribe if you want to call
it that right like Adam took mein and the whole family thing
man but Adams motto in his shopwas kiss stupid. I mean, the
simpler you can keep it thebetter off it is the easier to

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maintain. And I think Randy justtakes that to another level
almost. I mean, whenever his newhis new Rock Crawler. I looked
at it in Moab last year. Andnext thing I know he goes out
super light because I wastalking about weight. And next
thing you know, he goes over tothe back tire and picks the back
tire off the ground. Just himlike doing a deadlift type of

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thing. And I was sort oflaughing I was like, Okay, you
got my vote. Like what do yousay to that?
They just picked the car up orthe axilla. So, yes, I think I
think some people overcomplicateyou know the the 4400 car, you
know your way down withalternators and whatever it may

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be all kinds of spare parts thatmake it 20 miles and because you
haven't prepped your car, right,you make it 20 miles and you
bust. You know, that's, I likethe Campbells cam, you know,
Shannon and Campbell's. Theythey keep it clean and what the
necessity is to win a race. SoI like to use from the Campbell
camp and we've seen thisdefinitely out of Miller on

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Bleiler, you know that, andRandy maybe not as much from the
prep standpoint of how quicklyand easily and readily they can
prep their cars. And I put Iinclude like, including that as
like, if there's a problem howquickly they can swap a
transmission. Yes. Like that isthe worst possible thing that
can happen to one of those carsduring a race or on a race

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weekend or out of the hammers isa trainee. And Campbells can
swap one super quick I mean,every bar in the car is set up
to where it all stripped superquick, the thing drops out,
throw another one and away yougo versus hours and hours and
hours. Like you lose a trainee,you're like, well, we're loading
on the trailer. Campbells aren'tout of the race, but they lose

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it lose a trainee? Yeah, Iagree. I shouldn't say out of
the race. They're not out of thefinish. Yes, that's a no quit on
all day. So and then, you know,going back to Adam, whenever we
built cars, so we're sort ofsidetracking a little bit, I had
built a car originally withAdam, to get back into the 4400

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class. And whenever we finishedit, I was just, you know, trail
riding. Andif you want to call it quote,
unquote, testing and tuning,right is riding around and
seeing how far you can push acar. And you know, the
limitations of it. And I had tochange the transmission out just
in the shop, obviously. But Itimed it by myself. And I had a

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transmission out of Adam's carin 38 minutes. Just out, I
didn't have it back in but I hada, you know, interior out of the
car, and I pulled it out the topbecause I just didn't want to
lay on the back. So I didn'tthink that was that bad at all?
No, not at all. No. So that wasalways my thing. When you easy
Rick and I were designing stuff.

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And it was like, Man, you got tomake it serviceable. And yeah, I
mean, like, this is where thefront seats. Each seat came out
with two rods. And so yes, youcould pull the rods and flip the
seat up and use the seat beltand basically clip the thing up
and get underneath the seat andpull everything out. Like it was
just no messing around. Yeah,let's let's let's get in there

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and make it happen. So you justyou had rush, and then now we're
kind of hidden. We're kind of ina little low here. Right, we've
got Sam fleabay coming up.
That's in a couple weeks. So youknow right now, you haven't been
working on that stuff. Outsideof Russia, what is currently on
the Jeremie plate. Currently, Iwork as a full time day job I

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worked for john deere, johndeere construction, I sell
construction equipment given. Iused to work for Caterpillar for
a while and you know, I guessI'm decent sales, I guess you
could say I'm a relationship guythrough and through. So, but
currently, construction salesfor john deere and tried to step
away from the off road.

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And Claude just kept calling meand calling me and I need your
help. I need your help. And Iguess you just caught me on one
of my good days. And, you know,I agreed to sort of help him and
you know, he was literally a oneman show on the SRS. Like all
the live stream you saw and oh,yeah, me and all of it. Yeah,

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timing. Everything that we sawin a rush came out of Clyde
stuff. Well, I don't Hey, don'tdon't you're way ahead of us.
Let's lookat my current situation being is
I worked for john deere. And inthe meantime, you know, moving
back to Johnson City. I've beenbuying up some property. So I've
got so where did you leave us?

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Since you haven't since wehaven't got to that part in your
life? Where we'll get there.
Where did you move from?
Fort Worth, Texas.
You left Texas to go be aYankee. I left Texas. Basically
I left Texas to come. I had agrandmother that was still
alive. And I was the onlygrandchild and I came home to

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grandma and take care of grandmaand hang out with her. So that
was ultimately what what whatbrought me out of Texas. Yes,
that is good. And then you andwe'll talk about her in a little
bit. But Lindsay yoursignificant other she's also
Tennessee too, but she went toTexas with you know he's from
Austin originally. Oh, seefollowed me. I didn't know that.

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No matter I mean, you've hungout with her right?
You out kick your pump coverage.
She's way too pretty and waittoo nice for you. And JT would
completely double down with youon that one. Yeah, he would
agree. All right, so so let'slet's jump back. Let's go get to
it because and we'll talk aboutsome john deere stuff in the
future because I got somequestions about about what

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you're doing on a day job. Soyeah, so we talked about it. You
know, you're from Johnson City,Tennessee. But you moved to
Texas at one point, then youmoved from Austin to Fort Worth.
That's where you, you know,basically became one of the
tribe family members. My memoryof first meeting you you were in
tribe, but you had worked atzarei. Way before that. And you
said we met then I'll ask youabout that man. Because I don't

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I don't remember. But I thinkhe's pretty good. But you're
from Johnson City, Tennessee,which is in where the north east
corner, northeast corner you. Imean, it is literally the
northeast corner of right now. Iam 15 minutes away from Bristol
motor speedway.
So talking about Bristol on atangent. What did you think

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about them going dirt racingthere this year? or mud racing?
Whichever? Yeah, I mean, it'smud racing, right? Yeah. I mean,
Bristol is doing a good job atthinking outside the box, and
bringing crowds and helping theeconomy and opinion. So I don't
know how many years ago but theyactually brought the University

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of Tennessee Volunteers footballteam, and Virginia Tech. Like
they literally had this big twoyear Countdown to putting a
football game on in Bristolmotor speedway. That's whenever
the big jumbotron went up. Andfrom what I understand is they
set a Guinness Book of WorldRecords of attendance. And that

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was the purpose of it. I don'tknow. But that's that was that
Bristol did a good job at that.
Right? They that once is a Smiththat owns it. So that I think
he's got a pretty good marketingteam. And they do a lot of stuff
there. They have a Christmas inlights every single year where
they bring 1000s of cars in thearea. And I think that was just
one of those additional. Hey,what are we gonna do again,

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outside the box? Let's throwdirt on it and let's go racing.
How big is that track? Is itlike seven eighths of a mile or
something? It's not that it'squarter mile. It's a quarter.
It's only a quarter? Because itseems like they're just so maybe
it's it's maybe it's the fastesthalf mile? I don't know. Yeah, I
don't know. It's half fastesthalf mile. quarter mile. It's

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half a point. Three, three. Soanyone in the background yelling
My God.
Yeah, point 533. So they did.
They did dirt. And that's what Ithat's what I like about venues
right. The venues that are inworse, you know, certainly
NASCAR. I mean, they've had thelast time they did a dirt dirt
race was like in 1970 something.

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And so you take Bristol, tinylittle track. Not only is that a
change, although NASCAR teamsagreed to it, but then they had
no books, right that like youwhen you go, you know, short
track racing in the dirt.
Everyone has like cut yourgroove books for their tires, or
in car setups, like, you know,hey, if I'm going to go to this
track, I can lower the reartake, you know, they hadn't no

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one everyone was like a cleanlevel playing field. They're
like, okay, where do we evenpractice with our cars on dirt?
Like, like, this is this isnuts. And so I don't really
follow NASCAR. There's, it'sjust not interesting to me more.
I think I liked it, you know, 10years ago. Plus, there's some
drivers in there that I caredabout. I think NASCAR was doing

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a good job of marketing backthen. I don't know if they're
doing as good a job today, butthere's a lot more competition
for their airtime, and for yourattention span and your
pocketbook and all that but whenI found out they're going dirt
racing, I was like, Oh my God.
And then I followed you know,Scott rain, you know, one of the
ultra for announcers, you know,he announced the king of hammers

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when he basically documented histrip, he went out there and I
was like fallen every I meanevery post he had, because he
was like boots on the ground,and then it rained. And like the
the vendor area had like fourfoot of water flowing through
it. Yep.
So they basically went muttonbut what I where I was so often
you know that this sidetrack wasyou know, we saw a track, do

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something different and, andattempt something different and
try and challenge you guys in away that hadn't been challenged
in you know, 3035, maybe in 40years. And that's what you know,
what ultra four tries to do inlike a king of hammers. They try
to give you a different courseevery year. And we try to give
you know, they try to givedifferent tracks every year. And

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sometimes it's by choice andthen but this year, last year
wasn't my choice, right? It wasCOVID got banged everything up
it was they scrambled and thenthis year, it looks like there's
gonna be the scramble fornationals. I'm very interested
to see how that shakes out. Imean, I see it being the easy
one to pull off is Oklahoma.
It's like kind of the nobrainer, but it hurts
You know, there's no spectatorsthere, right and hotels can

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there's no after party but froma driver standpoint, it's legit.
Yeah, I mean, that is a very funcourse. You know Justin and
trotters there now, you knowTrotter used to be ultra for but
and Justin's been involved withwith ultra Fortwo and they both
they take a lot of pride inputting together a strong course

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for the racers. It's justunfortunate sort of where it's
at. You know, it is in themiddle of America, but there's,
you know, you're an hour and ahalf from Oklahoma City, you're
an hour and a half from Dallas.
And you just sort of lack thatattention that people gave to
Wild West. Right like everybodyknew wild west and and I don't

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know, I thinkme personally, I think good B's
got to, I don't want to throw itout there but good from what I
can talk to me about and what hehas starting in Burnley. I think
that can turn into like he saida Prairie City on steroids. I
think that would be very, I'd beinterested to see how that turns

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out. He was just this past weekon the town tank. So he's the
he's Episode 44. And you'reEpisode 45. So yeah, we just we
just talked about that. I didn'tknow anything about friendly
until I saw his event. You know,I guess two weeks ago now three
weeks or whatever. He recently afew weeks ago. And I was
impressed with I mean, it'sdesert bit. I should have
actually looked up and seeinghow close it was to Reno. I

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don't know that one. You'llthink I'm sitting here on the
internet. Well, we'll keeptalking and i'll i'll look that
place up.
You know, but there have beensome pretty good courses like
you know, going back and ultrafor
it. We'll see it was 2012 was it2012 that we had that race in

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Albuquerque New Mexico. It wasit was it was a partnership with
another series but I raced thatone in Albuquerque and it was a
fun course but apparentlythere's there's some private
land in there and there's someissues of who owns WOD and but
that was the issue that becauseI always brought that course

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back up because it was just fun.
I couldn't really forgot aboutthat. Yeah, so yeah friendlies a
40 minute drive to Reno that'sthat's not bad. That's a hop
skip and jump Yeah, that's notbad at all. Maybe I mean, we're
neither you or I have a say inthis but
I'm always curious about youguys. I know you've been to

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every single for for course theultra for race for you know over
a four year period you've beento every single one and you
develop you know ones that youknow that are better for drivers
better for spectators better forwhatever I've seen that sound
like rush rush everyone like thetrain except for it rains so
much it was just a muddy sloppymess so everyone had a bad

(27:55):
takeaway from from rush and thenyou put it in that it's a hole
where there's no internet nophone no any of that and there
was like it just wasn't the thefunnest event to have attended.
Yeah, so Dave and I, we visitedrush probably two or three years
ago, with the number ofmotorhomes and tractor trailers
that went in there. You need todo a whole podcast on who drove

(28:19):
in a truck and trailer and howmany turns it took them to get
in and out of that whole parkbecause it like I had a motor
coach at the time with a 36 foottrailer. And it probably legit
took me 15 terms not going in.
But coming back out. You justcouldn't swing it in the ditch
and you had a a bridge on theother side that you like you
just looked out your window andyou're inch away from the bumper

(28:42):
on the front and then you lookin the rear and like oh, I'm
gonna take out the other side ofthe bridge now let me back up
and do this again. This sucksagain and again. And yes. Oh,
it's Oh, it was 18 WheelerTetris is what I heard. Yes,
like yeah, I could stalking himin there and I could see that.
And it's crazy how many guyslike we've all you know not we

(29:03):
not me. How many teams have goneto 18 Wheeler from what we can
haul and how we can haul andwhat we can get into and not get
into and now with the the waythe laws are for weights and
everything for the smallertrucks and the cost. If you want
to. You want to go buy a youknow an F 350 or an F 450. New
one year and at 80 grand ormore, man you can go buy a used

(29:27):
18 Wheeler tractor and a racetrailer and you're at the same
price. probably less in somecases
in on that newly that new daily.
You haven't even bought a racetrailer yet. Exactly. Your 140
and 150 and, and truck andtrailer you can go buy a

(29:47):
motorhome and a trailer for 100you know very, very nice. Yes,
and you just get tired of me andheavy and you're running right
up on you right up at the limitor you're over the weight limit.
You know, we're not you're,you're not scaling but you're
blowing tires and you're, you'retaxing the tires and you're
taxing the rear axles on thetrailer. And then you're just

(30:09):
Casey gilberton the hell out ofsome tires, you know. So,
whenever I was racing, wheneverI lived in in Fort Worth, I was
still racing ultra for at thattime. So I had a Duramax with a
I think is a 40 foot livingquarters trailer. And long story
short, my housing fell throughlike I was supposed to, I had I

(30:31):
was closing on a house two daysbefore I supposed to close.
underwriter came back and said,Hey, we can't do it. I flipped
out on them, started looking atplaces to rent and ended up
trading my Duramax with atrailer in on a motorcoach. And
a trailer ended up again, Trumpfamily tribe crew, Lance hooked

(30:52):
me up with Donnie Patty you knowwho Donnie Patty is right now I
Downey Hargrove and Okay, so youneed to you need to request to
meet Donnie and Patti next timeyou're down there. They
literally let me Clark park mymotorcoach on their property.
They got like 10 acres south ofFort Worth, parked it there for
two and a half years and livedout of it for two and a half

(31:13):
years while it is still racedout of it. And all the above,
right. Like, I got to giveLindsay credit there. She was
there the whole time. You know,she just, quote unquote, pack up
house. And we'd go racing andAdam and Clarissa would jump in
with us and traveled meet usthere. And then we'd come back
home and pack the house and setit back up and work so the week

(31:33):
so it was a good time. I didn'tknow that story. I always wonder
why you gotta think motorcoach Irefused to rent a 15 $100
apartment in Fort Worth. So Iwent out and bought a motor
coach lived out of it inprobably saved money on that.
Right? And yes, 100% save moneyon it. Then you want to go
racing or you want to go toClayton or Green Acres. You're

(31:55):
like, let's go. Yeah, yeah.
Let's get like, here's a trailerit'll haul two rigs. Let's go
stack them in and travel the US.
It's a grown up in Johnson City,Tennessee man. How's that? Tell
us about that area? Like I knowKnoxville. Just because you
know, University of Tennessee.
They're the go walls and andthen I've been to, you know, we

(32:17):
went up to it's been a few fewyears ago, but we spent like
Christmas at our house. And thenthat night, Christmas night, got
in the car and I drove all nightgot us to Memphis in the
morning. We went and did somestuff in Memphis, you know,
Beale Street and the Peabody tosee the ducks. And we ate some

(32:38):
barbecue at rendezvous. And thenfrom there we went over to
Nashville to catch one to seenatural what see lower broads.
See the Grand Ole Opry. Westayed at a Gaylord there, but
we were there for Texans Titans.
They played the 28th so it waslast last game of the season and
Texans have made it into theplayoffs Titans hadn't so Texans

(32:59):
weren't playing any you know,really the starters were in at
the beginning and that was kindof over in Texas sucked by the
way like they have noaspirations to ever be better
than bottom of the pack likethey are terrible and gave money
to them for a decade you know,going every every home game for
a decade and we gave up andthank god they just continued to
slide and suck but so you knowmy wife had a you know, goal. It

(33:22):
was like if we're going to giveup our season tickets at Texas
and we're going to go travelwe're going to go see a game on
the road, either college or NFLa year we're gonna go see some
stadium so that year we decidedto do Tennessee, we guess we
Texans Titans in Nashville. Andthen from Nashville, we drove
over to to Pigeon Forge toGatlinburg did What's that? I

(33:45):
want to say it's called Uberover. what's what's the thing
over over Gatlinburg over years.
Yeah, we did that. But then wedid Dollywood. Holy crap.
Dollywood is the most one of themost amazing theme parks I've
ever been to in this in thiscountry. I like roller coasters

(34:05):
and my kids like roller coastersand Dollywood was clean and
maintained and meticulous andjust gorgeous and the people
were so super freakin nice. Iwould absolutely go back there
and it really my mind to say itbecause I guess it's the twin or
the sister part to silver dollarcity and Branson, Branson,

(34:26):
Missouri. And so just Dollytakes care of her people and she
takes care of her Park and sothat was the that's really the
only part. I've been over inyour neck of the woods. So tell
me about Johnson City becauseyou you said it's close to
Bristol. Tell me about growingup there and you as a kid
growing up in Johnson City. SoGatlinburg is only about 45
minutesI guess west of me. So that you
know in school it was alwaysHey, sell these doughnuts or do

(34:50):
these fundraisers and you get togo to Dollywood. That's that's
that was our kicker you know asa as an elementary kid, but
growing up man. I had a greatchildhood.
I had a grandfather that thatwas my daycare. You know, he
moved houses, not mobile homes,but like big commercial, you
know, buildings and, andwhatever house like are 26. So I

(35:12):
26 I grew up with him movinghouses for the interstate to
come in. That was my daycare.
But as far as like things to doaround here, you have the
Appalachian Trail. You know, itgoes from Georgia to Maine. Five
minutes down the road, I can beon the Appalachian Trail, five
minutes down the road, I can gowhitewater rafting, I can go an
hour and go snowboarding,there's a lot to do within about

(35:33):
five hours. I'm not going to sayit's like California, where
it's, here's your beach, andhere's all that side of it. But
I can go to Charleston in sixhours. So there's a lot of
variety within, you know, a halfday trip. You can do anything
you want. And then I grew up inthe woods really like I was
always in the woods doingsomething you know, the epitome

(35:56):
of your mom kicking you out onthe morning saying, Hey, get out
of my hair, go outside play it,you know, be sure to come back
at lunch to feed yourself Andbeyond that, like, go outside.
Say yeah, here's what I did.
Yeah, like, don't bother me.
Which I you know, I like that alot. Because now you know, these
days you have kids just thatthat can't get away from video

(36:17):
games and iPads and all thatside of it. It's like, I think
there's a sense of people arelosing touch with family. You
know, like, doing things as anactivity instead of just Hey,
don't bother me. Here's not bad.
Well, yeah, I'd love to bringthat. I mean, I think it needs
to come back feral children.
Just feral.
running everywhere. Like Yeah,growing up. I mean, I grew up

(36:40):
in, you know, middle of nowherecountry, Kansas, but you can't
ride a bicycle down gravel road.
So I wrote a horse. I mean, Iwould I would be on a horse
every day until I will say I wasprobably 13 or so when I stopped
reading bill, I got my driver'slicense a 14 that was that was
very important. You get the farmhardship and you get to drive
that changes the world. But, um,yes, I'm telling you, I read to
my friends houses. They werenearest neighbor. weren't the

(37:03):
best friends. I have no ideawhat's happened to him in the
last 30 years, but 25 years, butat the time, you know, you're
geographically friends, right?
Because you're gonna belike, your choices aren't that
great. So and you havecommonality, but yeah, so we'd
ride horses everywhere. But thatwas it. It was you. There

(37:25):
weren't Nintendo. I mean,Nintendo came out when I was in,
like, out of middle school forsure. But I just wasn't kind of
like that. But so you move inhouses are helping move houses,
like you're talking like, I'veseen this stuff, like on History
Channel, how they do it, likemodern, modern marvels and like,
moving and like, they go throughthe basement they put up the big
beams and they put them onbasically like Jeeps, you know,

(37:45):
like the not a Jeep like that.
But like what you put behind an18 Wheeler, you know, the two
axles and they put that on eachend and they just hold like a
big ass trailer, right? Yeah. Soyou know, you put our beings you
measure the house and you putour beams underneath it and
crawl still to support it. Andthen we we call it on my

(38:07):
grandfather call them a dolly inthe rear. So the rear was Dolly
and then you had your twodollies in the rear that you
maneuvered or steered the rearof the house with to come alongs
you know, or chain hoistsbasically that that they hook to
the Arby's, you steer the rearof the house with with the chain
hoist and then the front was itwas with a tow truck or not a

(38:30):
tow truck, but like what theycalled a we had an It was like a
62 International pole truck.
And, man, that thing was just,you hauled everywhere. Because
if you ever drove it on the roadtop speed was like 30 mile an
hour downhill wide open and, youknow, doing 10,000 RPM type of
thing. But, you know, that's alot of my gearhead outside the
box thinking like, Hey, can wedo this and fab this stuff?

(38:52):
Whatever came from mygrandfather's, I think you know
that one of the problems healways faced was, he would
actually move the houses likeunderneath overpasses. And it
got to where the housesobviously got larger as the
years went on, and he couldn'tget underneath the overpass. So
he having a sixth gradeeducation developed these rear
dollies that that he usedairplane tires, like old

(39:18):
airplane tires and made his ownsystem and then come to find out
somebody stole that idea andpatented it now. There's other
stuff they they came in town.
But anyway, like that's, youknow, having a sixth grade
education and he could help mewith my algebra and all this
craziness, but it was a goodtime growing up in the dirt.
That's for sure. I mean, youjust be an ingenuity. I mean, I

(39:42):
think that's the that's the key.
And that's that's why you knowwhat we do what we do in off
road is like overcoming theadversity of what the races
thrown us like today. There'splenty of adversity out there.
But we go out there to basicallymake problems for ourselves and
see how we solve them and comeout of them.
That from a standpoint of youmaking a living doing it. You

(40:03):
can't call Amazon and get themto deliver a different nali.
Right? Yeah, exactly. It justdoesn't work. And it's like,
Okay, how are we going to dothis? We got going on press,
wow, it'd be cool. If our beamsor whatever like lowboy style,
we could gain four feet fromthat. Next thing, you know, I'll
come with torches and thewelders and you basically make a

(40:24):
low rider out of your yourbeams, right and then put them
on the dollies. And then nextthing you know, hey, look, we
cleared. It's funny, because,you know, my my grandmother
passed away in May. So we werecleaning her house out. And
Lindsay knew a little bit aboutmy past being raised with my
grandfather. And we startedpulling these newspaper

(40:44):
articles, like I was on thefront page of newspapers. And as
a little kid that was rotting ontop of the house going down the
road. You know that that's, it'sfunny. She's like you. How old
were you hearing like, I don'tknow, six or seven. And she
goes, and you're on top of thehouse. That's moving down the
road. This is a front pagefavor. I'm like, Yeah. Why are
you even on top of the house?
I'm like, that's where I wantedto sit. And you know, just the

(41:06):
view going down the road. Andhow did you get up there? And
like with a ladder house, whatdo you get on top of the hill as
you climb a ladder on top?
Right. And nowadays, I couldn'teven imagine how that would go.
Yeah, I remember being the kidthat kid like climbing the
ladder and that because youalways have to have police
escort, right? And the policeescort is like, you can't have

(41:29):
that kid on the roof. And mygrandfather's like, he's exactly
where he used to be. He's fine.
Don't bother boy, do your joband get your car and you're
escorting me down the road.
Beyond that, like leave himalone. he'll sit right there. He
won't move. Okay, sir. You know,and they just they get in their
car and do their job. And hemoves the house and I get down.
So yeah, there is a good time.
The nanny state before the nannystate. Yeah, I mean, it was a

(41:53):
different era. I mean, thesepeople, they used to smoke in
airplanes. Yeah.
We have a very similarupbringing. You're you know,
what, how old are you now?
4040 4040. celebrated 40 inTexas with the travel crew.
Yeah. Yeah, they're good, folks.
Yeah, and that's what I thoughtthat and that's what my daycare

(42:15):
was as well was my grandfather.
And, you know, he was a farmerand real estate guy and just a
mechanic and heavy equipment.
And we had dozers and tractors,and we're just always around
that stuff. And I think that'swhere I got a lot of it was, it
wasn't you just can't Well, backthen. There wasn't a Tractor
Supply and there wasn't homedepot it was there wasn't

(42:36):
somebody that had something foreverything it was, well, you get
out the blowtorch and you getout the welder and they were
buzz boxes, it was absolutelystick welding and, and that was
all in the world and, and thenat the end of the day, you wash
your hands and gasoline. Yeah.
And to get everything off yourhands be washed and gasoline
and, and now I mean, like, Wow,my grandfather passed away this

(42:57):
past fall. He made it to he madeto 93. And he washed his hands
and gasoline. Probably 90 90% ofthe days of his life. And cancer
did not get himhydrocarbon. Maybe they cause
cancer and some folks with itall. I think all they did to him
was fuel his anger. He was fullof vinegar. But

(43:21):
after you graduate high schoolin there, and Johnson, what age
did you kind of decide thatyou're going to hit the road?
And you took the show to Texas?
Or did I skip some stuff? You goto college anywhere? I don't I
don't know the answer to that. Iwent to it. So graduated college
and went to East Tennessee StateUniversity at ASU. I have a
criminal justice degree inchemistry and don't use either
one of them. But hey, I've gotthat paper right ability to

(43:43):
learn that yes, organize youknow, multitask all that came
out of college and went to workfor Caterpillar or a local
Caterpillar dealer. And then oh809 man that that the crash just
happened and I was the singleguy. No kids. So you know, I got
laid off there and apply for ajob with Michelin got the job.

(44:03):
Well, then you went to Michelinin a 12 week training course and
knowing that you're going torelocate but not knowing where.
And originally they tried tosend me to Omaha, Nebraska. And
basically I told them no, Iwasn't going to Omaha, Nebraska
because there was no racing thatI could get to conveniently in
Omaha, that I wanted to go tothe east coast or West Coast

(44:24):
because I wanted to race. Theycame back and said well, we're
not sending you the East Coastand we're not sending you the
West Coast. We're sending you toAustin, take it or leave it. And
I had reached out to a fewpeople and they said if you've
got the opportunity to go and atthe time I was actually
competing in Iraq, I was comingdodging and because it was like
Dayton Tennessee's three hoursfrom me jellico you know, the

(44:45):
old jellico days it's it's twohours from me. So we were having
blast the back then and moved toAustin and at that point, it was
17 hours one way for me tocompete. Rock
Rolling and those there's racinggoing on and Texas and I got him
with the guys that crawl Tex camand Chris and Ted and all those

(45:09):
guys and I think cam has a shotnow out in Vegas in the forest
customs yep but yeah so he heactually got me in a 7200 truck
at Blackwell ranch Carl billsranch there and we raised a
little bit there and and I gotthe bug go fast and for as long
as possible. Yeah tech Santa.
Yeah tech Santa ranch guy thatplaces. Places awesome. Like

(45:35):
oh, man, yes. You come around aturn and there's a buffalo you
come around another turn.
There's a zebra you come aroundanother turn there your
overrides and there's a herd ofAngola sheep. Like Yes, bully
little bastards run around.
That's high fence and exoticseverywhere. I think they got
some in it. They've gotgiraffes, right. I feel like

(45:55):
I've seen giraffes as you can gosee them. Yes, they have
giraffes you can get in the bus.
And Carl will take you and seethe dress. Yes. But yeah, that I
mean and at the same time. Youknow, I sold my car and went to
Italy and tried to pick up a carhere and there and and at the
same time I was helping Mike andJody with zarei sort of East

(46:16):
Coast and West Coast going backand forth ended up picking up
little Rich's old car you knowthe the upper
trailing arm leading our car thethe king shop car. I bought that
from him and redid that entirecar. And now that Pistol Pete
was involved with like they likepistol was gonna drive it at 1.8

(46:38):
km h Yes. And then car and thenthey left a one of those red
shop rags ended up in theintake. And then they
reinstalled the the throttlebody or whatever. And that thing
ends up eating this rag in themotor. And that was what killed
him. What killed the race? Thatwas the story I heard. I don't
know. So I've heard the red ragI was told it was in the

(47:00):
coolant, that it will set up itwas stuffed in the coolant and
then it it basically plugged themotor and overheated the motor
but that same motor issues. Yes.
Red rag. Yes.
Yeah, I can see that. Like youwould stuff the rag into the
radiator hose to keep it fromleaking. And then you just grab
it and slip it back on andtighten the hose clamp. Yep.

(47:21):
Genius level. Yes,sir, the landmine.
Pay attention to details slowdown, right. Oh, well, that was
probably one of those that, hey,it's on the 28th hour of the day
trying to get to the race that's10 hours away. And you've got
two hours to get there top ofscenario. But you know, we've

(47:41):
all been there every time likeevery time. So what are happened
to that car? I've wondered Isthat the one that whacker ended
up at one point. Nope. So Iactually tore that car down. I
used pieces off of it to build atribe car. And I sold the
chassis to a friend of mine inJohnson City. He still has it
he's gonna put it togethereventually. But I don't know if

(48:03):
he will or not, but he has thechassis now. That's gone. Gone.
Yeah. But yeah, I mean, goingback to Texas side of it. Yeah.
We lived in Austin for a whileand then we got transferred to
Fort Worth. And that's when Ifirst started building the Trump
car. And that's actuallywhenever I got LinkedIn with
Trent truven box with rowdyracing, rowdy, you know, Adam

(48:26):
built him a car and and thefirst race was in Badlands. Adam
was supposed to co drive withhim. And I'd raced Badlands
before. And I'll show him thelines and we get back to the pit
and Adam just sort of comes inputs his arm around me goes hey,
by the way, you're going to racerowdy and I'm going to be in the
pit because I'm a bettermechanic than you are and you're
a better co driver than I am. Wejust we need to own our role.

(48:49):
Right? Right. Soyou know and I jumped in with
rowdy and man we raced for acouple years and had a pretty
good run things. I mean it waswe put that car on the podium a
lot and I can firmly say thatAdam builds one heck of a car
because you know rowdy he wasnot easy on equipment put it
that way at all. for a weekendwe get named people that have

(49:11):
been tried cars that are noteasy in equipment. I'll start
with clay Gill strap I was gonnasay kill strap strap like chill
straight up kill strap but Ilove love that day too. I was
actually in his wedding. SoBut yeah, I mean he but he I was
actually I thought about him theother day man I miss seeing that
God drop I mean cuz he could hecould flat drafts. I just missed

(49:33):
partying with them. It's been tome years and you know, he's not
that far up the road from me,maybe our for me to get across
Houston and another hour and ahalf, two MCs maybe two and a
half hours from me. That's notinsurmountable. It's just you
got to go to East Texas and,man, there's just so much
method. They're justpart of the world. I don't know.

(49:53):
I think I would go hang out withBilly and Lee. I think that
that'd be worth my two and ahalf.
Ours Billy's Allah. Oh mama Gillstrap and Billy man that's
that's a solid family. Sospeaking of them whenever I
lived in Texas, so do youremember the old the smaller
race and that southern Missouri?

(50:14):
Yeah, that they had sort of likethe comp to zarei. Right. So
play was racing that atBridgeport along with Jeff
nasty. Oh, he likes. Yep. So sothey were there and I was
spotting or coat sort of COdriving with AK Watley where he
owns chaos. Off Road now in WestVirginia. Yeah, he's way and

(50:37):
he's a Houston guy. Yes. Andthen yeah, then they live all
the way. Is it North Carolina?
West Virginia was West Virginia.
Yeah, I knew way up there. Okay,he's up there doing his own
thing. And and, but that's,that's one of the first times
that I met Gill straps. And nextthing I know, Billy's Hey, we
want to go the east and Rod alittle bit. And we load up in a

(50:59):
motorcoach. And it was one ofthe I don't remember the year of
anniversary, but I went onthere. Let's call it 40th
anniversary, they went to theeast coast and we will in
Harlan, Kentucky, and all theseplaces back east and they're
just like, and that's that's oneof the best anniversaries we've
ever had. And, you know, justjust great family time, right?
Like, that's what I miss themost is those experiences and

(51:22):
that side of it, man hashtagrelationship goals. Yeah,
exactly. Hey, so before we gofurther, this is I mean, right
now we're talking about xR awere roughly around that. Oh,
70809 time period, you wereworking with the weavers Mike
Weaver and helping put on zareistuff and racing it and all
that. Yeah, man. And we metapparently in that in that era,

(51:44):
and I don't remember it and soI'm definitely the asshole. No,
so we met in Alabama at greyrock. Okay. And that's your
racing down there. I want to sayLater that year, we hung out in
jellico cuz then you racejellico as well. Was that the
one with all the fireworks? Yes.
We had the boot we ran the bootgangs down the Koch down the

(52:06):
road and all that. Okay, let'stalk about mu Yang's for a
minute on that because I swearon my life that there is video I
swear it was on YouTube, and itwas like shot out of like the
Shirley's Brian Shirley. videoedit while everybody ran like
rusty Bray and Danny roar and weall have those pit bikes and

(52:28):
everyone ran rode them down thehighway on the shoulder and it
was long I mean, it was likefive miles down down a 10% grade
yes or 12% grade and we'recruising I was involved by
remember seeing the video I wentlooking for that video I think
after Levi and I leave I surelyand I talked about it. I never
found it. I know if someone outthere please come to the

(52:50):
insiders group of post up thatvideo of it's a crew of what is
now today ultra for drivers. Butat the time we were zarei
rednecks riding these Chinese orNorth Korean. They're like South
Korean, South Korean orTaiwanese Honda 50s but they
were they're kind of big boythough. They had a little bit

(53:10):
bigger tires. Maybe they 12 inchrims. I don't think they were 10
and trims and like chatan like aHonda achanta motor right a
china Honda Motor. That's kindof what they had on man. They
were fun fun as hell. Oh yeah. Imean they they would definitely
walk a big boy in a heartbeat.
Like they they laid me out acouple times and I remember

(53:32):
Yeah, whenever we had the littleraces and have it well that that
year we did the trip down. Seeif you get on YouTube, is it not
one night and jellico? Is thatnot the start of that? No,
that's that's real. No, no, Idon't think there's the Boo
Yang's in it. I think that Oh,okay. Now there's definitely
jumping you know, jumping picnictables and miles. It miles

(53:54):
asticus. You know are Yes. Yeah,he's he is right in the middle.
I not here the police officer.
Yeah.
I gotta tell you a quickmonster. I'm sure people have
heard maybe heard the storybefore. But so he runs out of
gas where, you know, this is atthe jellico motel. He runs out

(54:16):
of gas. And he runs out likedirectly in front of Shannon
Campbell. And the crew and i iwant to say Waylon was with
them. But weyland young, right.
I want to say Wayland. 12 orsomething. You know, it's like
there's he's not raised. I mean,this is this is a long time ago
at this point. Yeah, datingourselves. And Shannon goes I
got you covered. And he dumpsrace gas in a miles little

(54:39):
Honda. 50 miles is always thatthings known as Old Faithful is
it didn't matter what you did doit how bad you wrecked it. It's
still fired right up and hejust, I swear he never changed
the law on it. But I know it gotsome prep, but it was beat up
old faithful. So he puts racegas in it and then maybe two or
three weeks later, we're inDisney, Oklahoma.

(55:00):
And I've got my new year waswe're talking about like living
quarter res trailers and in thatyou've got $80,000 truck and
another you know $60,000 ratiothat's kind of where we were at
at this point and I have thisbrand new living quarter race
trailer all aluminum, nice foldout couch. This is a nice
trailer pulled down the ramp.
And it's got the you know, thethe diamond, but not diamond

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plate but the plastic the rubbermiles hammer drunk,
does a burnout, like just holdsit to the wood on the Old
Faithful on my deck on the rampand just burns a hole in the
rubber in the floor. And he'syelling, you smell that? You

(55:45):
smell that Shannon Campbell riceDass right there.
And you can't even be mad atthat. Cannot be mad at that.
Like, you almost want to like,cut, cut, like almost like a
plaque side of having miles onit and then have Shannon sign it
later on going, Hey, here yougo. Like this is this is forever

(56:08):
marked, right? Yeah. And don'tget me wrong. I think I was on
the ground laughing at thispoint. And there was a lot of
people laughing because it wasfunny. But the next day I did
absolutely want to kill him. Andhe's like, you know, miles at
the next day. He's like, I'msorry, buddy. I'm sorry.
I just I shouldn't have donethat.

(56:29):
I got carried away.
Justso what happened was so yeah, so
you're running around withWeaver's and all sudden zarei.
And then you cause kill can'twait to happen like oh seven had
happened? oh eight had justhappened. I think when this had
gone down and then at thatpoint, Dave opened up kind of
the floodgates. Well, well,actually his backup Bigelow was

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this East Coast racer, he dugBigelow, Douglas Bigelow, he's
running around with all of usidiots. He'd gone out to K which
he finished third says EastCoast guy goes West, and he
finished his third. And I thinkShannon one Gosh, I don't know
who came in second that year.
But I know Bigelow was thirdbecause he was an East Coast
that he comes back to zarei. Andwe're just like, Oh, well, wow,

(57:12):
this is attainable. And thenDave, and it was Jeff no was
involved. But Dave was the onedoing the calls Dave basically
sits down with Bender, Robbender part because Rob bender
Park is flying to every zareirace with doc Mercer. Ken Mercer
into Dave is a bender. Rob Parkis a bender. So he says, okay,

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who are these guys in zarei?
East? Who are these guys? Whoare the cool ones? Who should we
invited to come out here and,and rescale Ah, and you know,
most I think all of us gotinvited I think was what it came
down to. And so we all this, youknow, our motto this flotilla
rolls out west. And, you know,kind of the rest is history. You
know, X ray slowly met itsdemise as we went away from

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short course rock racing to longformat. And now someone's
calling to come on back. It'sfunny, you know, you think of
how the roller coaster ride iswhat I call it, or if you want
to say the times, you know, itwas we rock was huge. And then
it sort of faded out a littlebit and zarei took off, because
it just gave you more seat time.

(58:20):
It's all about the seat time andthe racer side. And then after
zarei you know, then you had theking of the hammers, and it's
even more seat time. And nowit's funny because we rocks
getting you know, we rock maybecome back, you know, I don't
know, you know, you pointtowards Jesse Haynes at that one

(58:40):
going, Hey, is this the guy thatwrote, you know, we rock and
rock crawling back andmake make rock crawling? Great.
Again, one of those? Yeah, Imean, I think he, he stayed with
it, I'll give him credit.
They're like, he definitelystayed with it. And now you're
taught, you know, good B was onthe, you know, the previous
show. And, you know, he's a man,I just want to short course
race, you know, the logistics onthe endurance side. Like you

(59:03):
have to have all thesevolunteers and safety doubles,
triples, quadruples, on thatside of it. And I've said for
two or three years now, my man,somebody who's bringing zarei
back, you know, like, let's getgo back to, you know, where you
put people up on the the hilland, you know, you don't have
this $250,000 budget that youhave to meet to go have fun, and

(59:26):
get on the course again. So Idon't know. You know, behind
closed doors, I've poked at acouple of people going, Hey,
man, if you don't do this,you're stupid. You know, like,
come on, man. Let's bring itback. I don't like to shoot. I
do. Like I said, I don't likeshooting holes in stories or
ideas. I do like shooting. Ilike playing devil's advocate.
Straight up. Yeah, and everyoneknows that about me. I will take

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the other side of that on XRP Idon't at the time, the Oh
708090 10 timeframe. Our core iscost 20 to 40.
Grand i mean, a $50,000, rockracer was very high end. Yes, I
read in today, that same car is150. and wanting to go beat on

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him the way we would beat on himin zarei to rebuild after, you
know, you do four heats and yourruntime would be three minutes,
two minutes time for some, maybeyou got 15 minutes of seat time
that day that equal the wholerebuild. I mean, you were still
fully nearly full prep in thecar because you were banging the

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hell out of it. It was fast witha lot of bumps in the middle, I
guess you could say yes, I agreewith you there. I look at it in
terms of, you know, can you putfans in the seats to give them a
good show? Andhow many people would come out
of retirement to run zarei? Youknow, you'd get in a car. He had
the chance and he Oh, yeah, Ithink about it. Yeah,

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absolutely. I mean, that wasthat might come my demise was
you vision and reading thebottoms of lips. You know,
you're talking about you'rereading the shadow. I realized
there was some of those I kindof got really lucky on a couple
times. You know, you read the400 and you're going you're at a
buck 10 and hey, that we mighthave might have should have been

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on fast shipping and faster. Idon't know. But yeah. So I saw
Kim Sears had a birthday thispast week in what reminded me of
was Stan Haynes shared on onFacebook, Kim Sears Happy
birthday. A couple of pictureswere from man, you got to
correct me and you might knowthem. But I feel it was in
Louisville, Kentucky. It wasindoor it was an indoor race in

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Kentucky, Louisville, and Iwon't say it was like the
freedom hall or independenceall. And they had monster trucks
in there. But we were like,basically the show it was zarei
style. Inside of and we arenaraced. It was freaking amazing.
Yes. So Weaver was working withat the time. I don't remember

(01:02:08):
who the promoter was doing themonster truck. But he was trying
to integrate the rock racinginto the monster truck as as
having everybody came to themonster trucks. But he was
trying to get the rock racing asa, like an opening act if you
want to call it that. But yes,Kim was Kim Kim took place in

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that and that's the days of likerusty Bray, you know, he had the
little single seater and thattook out and Danny roar showed
up and that needs a hoot youknow, so it that would have been
neat to see where it went. 100%I just me personally, I just I
had dinner with Levi. He was intown for that Bronco super

(01:02:49):
celebration or cemetery and Ijust looked at him I was like,
man, I just want to see you andyour dad get back in your single
seat cars and just battle it outon a short course I yes get back
in on and let's pull a lot ofpeople out of retirement just to
make this happen in those theystill the surely still have
those single seat cars surelydon't sell anything. No, not at

(01:03:11):
all ever. They're hoarders likethey're like me, I don't sell
anything. I need to I need tosell so much stuff and I'm out
buying more just like thattruck. I bought from JT that we
were talking about meeting youup there. It's still a trailer.
I've neverbeen that net but think about
Okay, so so just say what ifright? Like if we're talking

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devil's advocate, then yes, acompetitive car. On an zarei
side. I don't know that youwould touch 150
maybe you might remember we wereon air shocks and then like we
weren't by no bypasses theremight have been coil overs
involved on some folks at thevery end. Yeah, towards the end.

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I remember inOh, oh 808 I made the switch I
took my I had a Mike colevillecar a Motor City machine car and
I converted to Oh our eyes andso I was one of the you know the
first ones out proving andtesting and destroying our eyes
back in the early days of oureyes and then we realized we
took them the king of thehammers and they were not a go
fast shock but man they werereally good in short stuff. I

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I'd written or eyes tomorrow ifI knew I wasn't ever going to go
try to run it through thewhoops. Yeah, but I mean think
about that, like the mud devilguys, right? Like Greg Stone and
Travis Wofford. Yeah, like thoseguys that raised man. You know,
I think you'd have some guyscome out because you could add a
certain point, you know withtrail riding and that you could

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take a $50,000 $60,000 Trail rigand I think you can be
competitive on a short course.
You know that short course to meon like the zarei style was you
pick the right line?
Yeah, like a Derrick West.
Derrick West was a machine yeson zarei. Like, smooth clean.

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Just did I mean did makemistakes. I mean, he was a
machine. The only way you beatDerek zarei was because he had a
mechanical. Yes. You didn't beathim because of the driver skill.
I mean, and I remember showingup at km h o nine, and we were
in outer limits, we're comingdown outer limits, and we come

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around, you know, the rock wallor where we come around. And
there's Derek off to the side.
And I look at Kelly Kaiser Youknow, I'm like,
oh, wow, we're gonna we'repassing Derek like, this was a
you know, Achievement unlocked.
You know, you didn't pass. Youweren't gonna pass Derek on
course it just wasn't going tohappen unless he'd had some

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problem and yeah, and stilltoday. Yeah, bring X ray back
bring make it great again. Greatagain. I mean, I think I think
there's I think you could scrapetogether enough racers to pull
that off I think with with COVIDand it's made people refocus on
what they're what they're doingand where the dollars are and
not I'm not taking anything awayfrom ultra for I think ultra

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forests still where it's at butI've often oft question why
ultra for has a seriesI understand king of the hammers
Absolutely. And I understandlike an nationals like a
secondary big big event. But asfar as you know, running any
series or running a web seriesfrom $1 cost perspective it
seems like a lot of money withnot a lot of upside from their

(01:06:35):
standpoint for theirorganization versus doing it
grassroots style you can getaway with a lot more with a lot
less loose kind of where I wasgoing with that. Yeah, so I
mean, there was discussions thatI put out in front of Dave of
let's cut it down to like a twoor three race you know king of
the hammer style let's have ahere's your king of the hammers

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the beginning of the year have amid mid year race and then have
a nationals but then you knowobviously Dave has done a great
job at gaining partnerships andsponsorships to make ultra for
happen like East Coast WestCoast the Nationals king of the
hammers maava was to take someof the sponsorship money and put

(01:07:20):
it out to these grass roots likea good deal with nor cow like a
big Ridge for dirt right? Yes,dirt right that's what Yes, like
you know, and now it'd be like apro rock or something like that,
that that here's an here's localendurance racing that cuts down
on the budget of a lever surelyhaving to travel to Utah to

(01:07:42):
whatever like here's your if youwant to call it like a
professional class, like go racesome grassroots races get the
experience theater, yes.
The races like you've got toconsider like guys that are that
line up at King of the hammerson the 4400 day that have zero

(01:08:04):
race experience and go against aCampbell Healy, these guys that
that's their profession, they dothat daily, and this guy that
has no experience could ruinthat for a Campbell or Healy.
And they go back, theinexperienced racer just goes
back home and says, You know, Itried that great, you know, for

(01:08:25):
instance, and I don't know thecar, I'm not going to try to
call them out, but in Kentucky,30 turtles, we were doing
qualifying and the guy pulls upto the line. I'm like, okay, so
there's your lights, you know,here you get yellow. You know,
you got red, yellow, green, hegoes, Okay, what's that mean?
Like, okay, you don't you know,you know what a red flag is? on
course, no. And I just boughtthis car and traveled in here

(01:08:48):
and we're going racing, we'retrying to get to King of the
hammers. Okay, man, like howabout you pull out a lawn real
fast and let's have somediscussions on you know, race or
etiquette and, you know, safetyand etc. And then we'll get you
back in qualifying. Okay, soundsgood. So that's what those
grassroots feeder races are forman. I mean, it's, they make you
a better racer. So Well, I mean,etiquette, etiquette and

(01:09:11):
etiquette, and more etiquetteand what's, what's allowable and
what's not allowable, what'sletter of the law, and what's
spirit of the law and thingsalong those lines. And, you
know, like the,I want to, I don't want to use
an example, but it's the onethat's at the top of my head,
there was a racer this yearkayo, he ends up upside down on
an obstacle. And he got drivenon and it did a lot of damage to
it was a mid engine car. So theexhaust is on the top in the

(01:09:36):
back, that's down in a rock holenow and he's getting driven on
and it's smashed some reallynice exhaust. And man, nobody is
happy about that. Nobody went onsocial and they're calling
people out and then the peopleand it was very crazy to read
the commentary. We're friendsand family of this racer.

(01:10:00):
That they are like, that's BS.
You need that guy needs an asswhooping, you know, like, all
these things, calling out thepeople and it wasn't one cars a
couple cars drove over the guyand, and that, but that's what
it is. I mean, when you leavethe green, the green flag when
you leave the start line, that'sa possibility, right? If you
break down in the line you canbut you become a piece of the

(01:10:20):
course. And that's ouretiquette, right? That's our
tribal knowledge of our event.
Like that's what we have. And ifyou don't know that, and you
haven't seen that, and youhaven't been around that, then
yeah, that's shocking. And whenyou see the public sees that and
sees like, oh, why would I evergo take my if I ever got into
racing, which I don't have thedollars for it, whatever that

(01:10:42):
is, or where with all but Iwould never choose ultra for
because they can ruin your carthere. No, that's not it at all.
Yeah, I agree. But it's it'sthis public. This public
perception that I saw, I watchedon an Instagram thread and I
chimed in, I couldn't helpmyself. I should have stayed out
of it. You know, no good deedgoes unpunished. So I eat I eat

(01:11:03):
nap, right? I get you know,someone's trying to pack my
lunch for me. And like how whata bad person I am to say that
Hey, man, that's what happenswhen you like no, really? Well,
let's circle back a few months.
And he that this driver and I weexchanged some notes and he's
like, Man, I'm sorry. You know,I was like, dude, there's
nothing to be sorry about like,that's, you were fresh. Out of
the hammers. We're the weekafter the hammers. It was

(01:11:27):
emotional. Right. You had yourcar? freakin you know, stop. I
mean, I get it. Like it's, butyou know, on the flip side,
that's the responsibility youtook when you left the green
flag, man. Sorry, Nope. No onewants to wreck somebody else's
car in the sport. Sorry. There'sno intentional, like you said

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you become part of the course.
And yeah, it's it's you justsort of you're the You're that
guy at that moment. You know,we've all been there at some
point. Some of us have some ofus haven't. Maybe I don't know.
I have. I mean, it's, you didn'tHey, go drive over it man. Like,
like cailleach this year. It wasa UTV race. That was it. Gomez.

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Marcus Gomez was given parts offof his to have Sarah price. They
flipped? No, no, they did paperrock scissors. Something like
Yeah, but that's that's thethat's the you know, that's the
spirit of the racing. And that'sthe family that we're all family
of, Hey, you know, if you cantake something from my car and
go then, by all means, like I'mdone, like, whether or not

(01:12:33):
you're exhausted or the car'sdone yours, you're tired of
working on it. Take whatever youwant. That's the way I look at
it is if you flip over in themiddle of the course and you
can't self recover. Then run itman like I I made that mistake.
And unfortunately, I have todeal with, you know, my talent
tank pump the hose.
And now I'm hanging out. Soyeah, I mean, it definitely

(01:12:56):
sucks. But yeah, no, yeah, forsure. There's nothing positive
about that. So he brought up theSara price. Margot's Gomez thing
and the guys that did the paperrock scissors was Terry Madden.
And then you and I have a TerryMadden story. You in Mexico,
right in a crew cabin. And a lotof this story hasn't been told

(01:13:17):
by like a but I'm gonna tell youthis is this is a story that
makes men guys whatever lookpretty bad. It makes me look
even even worse. And this is whyJessi combs pretty much hated
me. I'm not telling that storyto tell him. Okay, good. You can
verify it because I was in thebackseat. You could tell the
story. So there's a there's aeveryone listening Yeah, this is

(01:13:40):
this makes it appealing. Youknow? God What an asshole why it
is no I text group with a bunchof guys and they don't know.
They don't know Jesse and theydon't know Terry or that.
Actually, I take that back.
Someone do know Terry and someactually do know Terry pretty
well. And they were like, youknow he? He'd been with Jessie
not all that long. Six months.
Maybe it wasn't a long time atthis point. Yeah, it was new.

(01:14:03):
Yeah, it was pretty new. And,and these guys like, you know,
what's this about? And some ofcourse, someone in the group is
I wonder what she looks likenaked basically like sin sin
nudes. You know, she's, uh, youknow, she's in the celebrity
realm. And there's basicallynudes exist of everyone on the
planet is my my guess on theworld. Like, it doesn't matter
who you are. They're somebodyhas nudes of you somewhere. And

(01:14:26):
if it's me, it's they're notgood, right? I mean, you don't
want to see this at all. But sothese guys like, you know, like,
oh, man, you know, they go dothe Google search. Jessi combs
nudes, you know, right. Andnothing. And I go, I'll ask
Terry, like, tongue in cheek,like laughing but I text him
anyway. And you were in a crew.
You're in a crew cab dodge.
You're in the backseat. He'sdriving. She's in the passenger

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seat. You guys are in Mexico.
And she's reading his textmessages. Yes. So we're coming
back from Nora. We're making ourtrip back north. And, you know,
his phone starts just being dingding and he's like, Hey, you
know, like I'm on a two laneroad. I don't want to, I don't
want to run off. So just readwhoever it says. And she pulls

(01:15:10):
it up literally and it says, Oh,it's Wyatt, okay. And it says
Terry, blah, blah, blah. I don'tremember exactly the wording,
but it's like, send nudes, sendnudes. And she goes, who are you
sending nudes of? And it comesthrough and says, of Jesse type
of thing. And she goes, Oh,Terry wants nudes of me. Yeah,
that's not happening at all, youknow? And she just goes off and,

(01:15:33):
and Terry's like, always, like,give me back my phone.
And all I could do is laugh inthe backseat. And then it comes
into you know, Terry's trying totake pictures of Jesse in the
truck next to us and I'm I'm inthe backseat I actually take a
picture of Terry and Jesselooking at your text and I send

(01:15:56):
it to you on your phone sayingI'm laughing in the back. Yeah,
but the response I haven'tgotten that yet. What I got was
the selfie of her flippingflipping me off and he was in
the truck and it's a middlefinger and I'm thinking this is
Terry sending me way lucky whyyou know like like, Oh, yeah.

(01:16:16):
completely fair unreasonablerequest, you know? Well, yeah,
that gives them like, haha, thenand then you text me and you're
like I'm in the backseat is notgood in the front seat now in
your name is done.
See does not like you at all.
Yeah, so it makes Deaf I'mdefinitely the dirt ball on

(01:16:38):
that. But it was somewhatjoking. But if there hadn't if
they hadn't been in existence,and they got sent to me, I
wouldn't looked at them.
That's not right.
Oh, man. world's gonna hearthis. So um, you know, back in
the day, Jesse was not a fan ofWyatt, because of one misstep.

(01:17:01):
But he was a massive misstep.
Like it was really fucking bad.
I excuse my language for that'sthe only word for it. And well,
it is what is but you were inthe backseat. And you witnessed
all this and you were a party toit. And you messaged me, like,
gave me the inside scoop of whata Gundam and I'm like, yep.

(01:17:24):
I'll give her a hug next time.
And, you know, she might slap mebut she's still gonna give me a
big hug and, and laugh about it.
You know? That's just herpersonality and her spirit, man.
Like it just no matter what shealways Hey, tell me what you
what's new your way and bigsmile and big hug and, man.
Yeah, yeah, like definitely missthat. That girl a lot. Yeah,
huge, huge loss to the worldman. just lost. But anyway, that

(01:17:46):
story hadn't hadn't been told ina public space. I can only
laugh. I mean, I can only laughabout it now. I mean, I wish he
was still around and we could,you know, made amends and to
talk about that, but is at thispoint, she was such an ass.
We've got way off track here.
You brought Terry and you know,I I was actually messaging with

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Terry today cuz it crossed mymind. You know, he said he was
on that motorcycle. And you wentto he set this record to drive a
motorcycle with the largestAmerican flag flown behind it.
Or I don't remember the exactwording of it. But he did it
right. He drove across one ofthe lake beds with a huge
American flag strapped to aHarley. And my thought was, I
never heard if that wasofficial, like, was that an

(01:18:30):
official record? And so I textedhim and he came back. Yes. I
have no idea if it got certifiedor not. He just didn't know. He
hadn't worried about it. I waslike, Okay, cool.
Experience. No worries. I'mgood. Yeah. Yeah. If I said
something, I said something, butI did it. And that's all I
needed. That's all I needed toknow about it that I did it. So

(01:18:52):
so. So anyway, we were talkingabout sorry, and how we need to
bring that back but then you endup getting into ultra for like
all the rest of us. And then youraced. I know you raised k like
12I raised a couple years. Yeah, I
think I started 1111 I went outwith the Fredericksburg boys. It
was like Mr. Langer Dini Yeah,langerhans and Shawn and that

(01:19:15):
crew like I went out there withhim. Just sort of check it out.
12 was my first race Mikeseaward still, was he already
still. He was already co drivingfor Carl. At that point, right,
Mike? That works at Jimmy's now.
He was co driving but the onlyShawn ended up going to race
show and when we Yes, we werepitting for him. And we were

(01:19:36):
pitting for jack Childers. Oh,and we're not naming yours
either. Yeah, so we were fittingfor them. I mean, literally, we
had our camper. You know, ourpit was set up on like the start
finish the straightaway to leavetown right? That's, we were
camping right there. It wasamazing. You know, and it's
funny that, you know, I go fromthat point to 1213

(01:20:00):
14 I raced and for some reasonmy car did not want to go past
my ad at all. I don't know whyit mile ad got me every single
year around that at one Mark Iwas done. Then I co drove with
Lindsay Siler, which is at themoment, Clay as well. Yeah, yes.

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So at the time it was the wifenow it's an ex wife, but I co
drove with her, and a UTV andthen that I think that was 15
and then I co drove was rowdyand 15. And we finished it that
year. It was his first timeracing it and ended up finishing
it. So there we go off on him alittle bit ago. He I saw he ran

(01:20:42):
for public office at one pointand then I kind of never my
funny rowdy story is when Wackerbought my car. He called me a
day or two later and wanted oneof the base basically a finder's
fee like that he had he helpedsell my car and wanted me to pay
him for it. I'm like, I didn'tyou weren't even a part of this

(01:21:03):
conversation. Like, like, I'mnot talking to you about this at
all. Well, apparently he wasstanding there. And I don't
know. And I still to this day,don't know if he was joking.
like messing with me or he wasserious. I could not tell you.
But it was, Hey, your car sold?
I talked to walk her into it.
You owe me money. And I couldn'ttell if it was serious or

(01:21:23):
joking. I still don't know. Oh,that rowdy such a good guy, man.
Like, I randomly talk to him.
It's really, it's really random.
But He's, uh, he's that guy thatI always say that he's that. He
knows how to poke at people, Iguess. And it just makes the
stories funny. Same way withyou. Like, if you catch if
you're talking to somebody inconversation, you all are just

(01:21:44):
that mindset. And I would callit witty enough to like you, if
you sold a car, you'd be like,Hey, I'm gonna call and poke
this guy and say, Hey, you oweme money cuz I just sold your
car. I want a commission checkoff of it. Right? Like,
yeah. Hey, Terry, can you canyou go ahead and send me those
of Jesse over this way? Likeit's Same, same scenario. But

(01:22:06):
yeah, he's a good guy, man. Imean, and he just, I think he
just got it to where it got forthe expenses, and the time away
from home. And he just got towhere he's like, man, I just
wanna hang out with my family.
And that's where he soldeverything off. And he just,
he's hanging out with hisfamily. And I haven't talked to
him in a while. And I feel badfor saying that. But he sold
everything off and concentratedon business and taking care of

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family in general. So I'menvious of that later. And
there's some days I'm even moreenvious than others. But yeah, I
mean, I sold out. I've sold offroad racing multiple times now.
I'm a repeat quitter.
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, good. Good,dude. So you raced away a couple

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times. And then in 16, that'swhere we go sailing. I go to the
BVI. now know the leewards ofthe wind words. Which islands
did we get to? We went to someislands with you remember? Yeah,
it was it was the ultra fivetrip? Yeah. I remember november
of 16. I just I just startedworking for Dave and 16. And and
they did that ultra five tripand man what a What a crazy time

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that was of dinghy boat racingand flags getting sailed in.
Like Yeah, dead chickens orstealin boats and yeah, weird
water balloon fights sailingdown the coast or whatever.
Like, yeah, it was a good timeThat day we were on and guila
and we all got we all rentedfour wheelers. And we're just

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like that we're like amotorcycle get you know, like
you see like is the streets ofPhiladelphia like the where they
call those boys the somethingother boys that the ride dirt
bikes and four wheelers up anddown the streets in the ghetto,
like the likeriders or something like that.
But that's a middle aged whiteriding four wheelers from from

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coast to coast because Terry wasusing lead nav to get us around
the whole island.
History and well now we're we'reat the end of the island. Let's
go to the other end again. Yeah,so we're bar hopping around the
island of Anguilla and we wentdown to down some some road and

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I see this dead chicken. Rightdead chicken. And I'm making
mental note. I'm like, man, ifwe come back by here, I'm gonna
stop and grab that dead chickenstashed on Terry's boat. Like
that's where this dead chick wasgonna go. Well, we ended up
coming back by there like threehours later I stopped I get that
chicken I'm like well with whatam I gonna put this dead
chickens on the seat of the fourwheel ATV pops up. There's the

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airbox I shipped this chickenin mind you right we've been
drinking for four or five hoursright? You know it's been all
day. I mean, that's what we'redoing. We get back to the boat.
I got this dead chicken. I'vegot it in a baggie and then I
threw it into the hanging offthe back of the catamarans were
these barbecue pits. Thesechrome barbecue pits I

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Throw it in there. And mythought is that night we're
gonna swim over and dive downand duct tape it or zip tie its
neck to the anchor. Right to theright because we were, we were
anchored up we weren't on therebut one on a buoy. And so when
they pull this thing up thisdead chickens Can I come up on

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the anchor chain when they pullit up? That's my plan. Only we
drink too much that night Iforget to do it and the thing
stays in the in the barbecue.
And the next day we do that therace to where do we raise to St.
Barts we raised Mark Yes. raisedto St. Barts, and we're about, I
don't know half halfway to St.
Barts. Dave, Dave Dave's drivingat this point, and the wives are

(01:25:43):
down there, you know, hangingout in the galley area, and they
get with this dead animal.
The hell is that smell? And thenthey figure it out. And they're
like, I get yelled at and theyrealize we have this dead
chicken. All the guys knew wehad the dead chicken. We gave
the dead chicken a C burial soit never ended up on Terry's

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boat. Plan ruined planabsolutely ruined. But man, that
was a good that was really thefirst time I'd hung out with you
like I knew who you were, buthanging out with you. And then.
So then your girlfriend fromAustin Lindsay. She was on there
and she was so sweet. And thenwe just ripped it partied and
had Domino's that's probably oneof the best vacations I've had

(01:26:26):
with with buddies. Like that wasa dad, the Whig Party going
there's some pictures of that ofus floating around there
somewhere. I don't know wherethose came from. But yeah, I
mean, there's a party everynight. So there's always always
good pictures. But yeah, thewithout party, you know, the
tribe crew. Adam shear? Well, Ithink it's mostly curious. I
feel like she's the planner. Soshe carries around the bags of

(01:26:46):
wigs and they get pulled out atthe beach or will anywhere. And
they'll have that night wherewhat do we do we we wig out?
Yep. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
That was a good trip that wedefinitely need to bring that on
back. Well, we've done it acouple times since but it just
never matched up to that firstone. You know, one year the

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water was real cold The nextyear, there been a hurricane
have gone through there andreally muddied everything up. We
went back with a group in Augustcouple years ago. And it was
summertime. It wasn't wintertime. And it was good. Don't
you're wrong. It was good. Butwe only had two boats. But it
wasn't the same trip. Yeah. So Imean, we were literally five

(01:27:29):
boats. And we were like pirates.
Every night. Somebody wassomething was happening to
somebody every night and then JTwas on that trip, but we didn't
see him for like three daysbecause he was sick. air quotes.
I'm putting air quotes. He wasseasick. When he was seasick.
Yeah.
JT, give that guy a hard time. Ilove him so much, though. I

(01:27:52):
texted him yesterday, just amess with him. Just Good
morning, JT. And then, I don'tknow, three hours later, he
responds back with like, a orsomething like that. I was like,
like, or Hey, what's up? I waslike, Oh, I was just thinking
about you.
You're like, I'm done. Yeah.

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All the good stuff, all the funstuff. So man, so we're talking
about you working for today,you're working for john deere,
commercial equipment, and you'reyou're selling stuff. And I was
gonna bring up you because Italked to Josh West about this,
like, you know, he does propertuning and he's tuning racecars
and motors and stuff. And johndeere has been on the forefront
of locking down all of theirproprietary like all there. If

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it's electrical, itsproprietary. And so it's really
hard to diagnose. It's reallyhard to get worked on, you got
to haul him in. Tell me aboutthat. Give us the insider scoop
on where you're at on that,because obviously, I'm in your
employee. So you're gonna giveme the now that's on the ag
side, right? Yeah. So myquestion is the same for the
construction, the constructionside. So they have it's a it's a

(01:29:01):
link system, right that anyparticular machine can actually
if there's a check engine light,if there is anything that comes
on that, that codes out. Andit's pretty neat system because
the the owner of the machinewill actually get an email
saying, Hey, your machine justcoded for whatever it was. And
our service department gets anemail for that with the same

(01:29:25):
message. So what it was a goalis is to save on that, that Tom,
I'm going to check machine outand diagnose it and then come
back to the shop for parts sothat they okay coded for, you
know, a sensor. So they takethat sensor with them to that
machine, get it fixed. And thenobviously that that saves the
customer some money and sometime and we can get on to the

(01:29:47):
next job. I don't know thatthey've gone to the fact on the
construction side of lockingpeople out of the machines
because it's there's stillbigger shops out there that can
get intoThat side of it and diagnose it
some, I think the new technologyout maybe, because I've had some
conversations with some of thelarger, you know, construction

(01:30:08):
people that have a, you know,this machine particular we've
been reading that it has a, band c and you have to have this
particular diagnostic tool toget into it. Or you have to have
the software like, hey, I've gotI've got the tool, but I don't
have the software. So then youget them signed up on software,
and they can get into their ownmachine. Okay. I liked I liked
the john deere equipment. I wasbehind a brand new skid steer

(01:30:31):
this weekend. I was like, Man,that's a that's a clean machine.
It is it is I've always playedin the dirt. So this is sort of
just enhancing that side of it.
But I will say that I missed thefamily and I'm Miss ultra for a
lot. I definitely miss that crewMiss hanging out with JT and the
the people at night. You know,you, you sort of wind down and

(01:30:51):
you recap your day and get somegood laughs out of the past but
I definitely miss all forker Oh,the family. Yeah. My next line
of questions is around whatyou've kind of been doing since
you know, once you you walkedaway from ultra for a little
over a year ago. You're inTennessee, I think you bought
some land, you had some someplans for doing some tours or

(01:31:12):
something along those lines.
Walk me through that. Tell meabout Didn't you buy it was at a
two and a half ton or a five tonthat we were talking about
because you reached out to meabout military stuff. I bought a
five ton truck thinking that Iwas going to bring people in the
back of the five ton truck tothe property and they could go
camping or mountain biking orwhatever they wanted. And then
the first trail I took it up. Itwas like, you know, a five ton

(01:31:35):
truck obviously is huge. On thisside of the mountain. It's like,
yeah, this isn't going to work.
Like I'm, I'm trying to put 100pounds of just a truck or what
it would be 30,000 pounds of atruck into a five pound box. So
yeah, like, I'm driving down thetrails. And here's trees that

(01:31:57):
I'm knocking down and pushingover. And they're hitting me in
the face. And I'm like, this isstupid. Like, why am I doing
this again, andwe ended up selling that truck
off like it was a good solidtruck loved it, but it just
wasn't functioning correctly orwhat we wanted to do so. But
yeah, I mean, in the in themeantime, after leaving ultra
for it, you know, me and somebusiness partners, we ended up

(01:32:18):
buying about 300 acres on theside of this mountain that touch
almost probably 40,000 acres ofNational Forest that's great
Smokies know that so we're eastof that it'd be the Appalachian
Mountain chain or our mountainslike they go up the coast. It'd

(01:32:40):
be inside of that. But JohnsonCity is doing a very good job
now at trying to get people tooutdoor recreate, you know, here
is a mountain bike parks andhere's whitewater rafting in the
area. And we're trying to workwith the local community. And,
you know, hey, here's, here's apark that we want to bring a
family atmosphere to and youknow, you think of K and H and

(01:33:02):
everybody gets around thecampfire at night. So we want to
do something like that, like,hey, on Saturday nights at seven
o'clock, there's going to be afire if you're from Florida,
Alabama, California, whatever,if you're on this property, then
coming out of the fire and kitget to know everybody on the
mountain, but it's not going tobe a free for all it's going to
be more of a limited, you know,crowd of if there's 50 vehicles

(01:33:27):
on it, then, hey, there's 50vehicles on the mountain for
right now. If we can work withforestry, and we can work with
the counties to open up thepublic land, you know that that
we pay taxes on and get 40,000acres of rotting? Yes, by all
means let's, let's rock and rolland teach people and at the end

(01:33:48):
of the day, just get people backoutside and get interacting get
them away from screens. Right.
So I don't know. We'll see.
We'll see what what comes withthat. You know, it's one of
those hey, here's a needlesspitch of anybody that wants to
get involved sponsor was like,call me let's do something
in especially like you just gotapproval. I mean, the President

(01:34:09):
yesterday spoke about you guysthat to you know, outside
outside you don't need a maskanymore. And they were
specifically talking about youJeremy and come inside to your
park outside of Johnson City,Tennessee, and recreate you
don't need a mask at your parkat all, you know come hang out.

(01:34:30):
No, I mean I love the idea Ilove where you guys are going
with it in based on where youguys can draw your crowd from in
that part of the world. I thinkyou guys shouldn't have trouble
doing a family oriented almostjeeping dude ranch. Yeah, yeah,
like but put some kind ofoutdoor concert area where some
people come in and play playmusic and enjoy it. You just sit

(01:34:52):
down and have a good time. Youknow, less stress and loves now
right? low key acousticsessions. Yes.
Yes, we'll get we'll get LanceGilbert up there at some point
and get him to jam out. Thatdude can rock but he will not
get on stage and I don't knowwhy he can play the guitar and
sing but he just he won't gethim. I'm calling you out, Lance.

(01:35:13):
You're gonna you're gonna be onstage soon. We'll put him up at
Keio. Ah, well, you know, Italked to my coworker about it,
you know, he me, I need to gethim on. I mean, I've known Lance
since way, you know, way earlyin the PSC days, and this is all
new information. I didn't knowhe saying he didn't know he
played a guitar. I've never. Ifyou sit down and talk to one

(01:35:35):
person about music bands, theiroriginal roots like he is a
machine like, oh, Pearl Jam. Oh,yeah. Pearl Jam came from
Soundgarden and temple, the dogand blah, blah, blah. And he
goes back to there like 10 yearsold. Like he knows all of that
music music genre. Like, like,how do you know this? He goes, I

(01:35:55):
like music. Okay. Yeah, like,but yes, just a Dictionary of
Music and where they came from.
So I always go to him. Everytime I need something new to
listen to. I go to him and sayhey, you know like, what do you
got new for me and he'll shootme some new bands and new stuff
to listen to? Well, since yougot away from ultra for you

(01:36:16):
haven't stopped wheeling. You'vegot a you've got a pretty sweet,
really sweet ass j 10. truckthat military. Talk to me about
that thing. rooftop tent. Iended up so I committed to Adam
shear and Clarissa called merandomly one night, Adam called
me sent me a picture at the sametime. of Hey, man, I just signed
up for the red clay rally. Andthe red clay rally that I know

(01:36:41):
Zach very well. And I was like,Yeah, I know that guy, man like
it, we can go run that that's afun time. And I committed to it,
I had the plans of building likea more of a Lexus g i had a Gx
470 that I put a you know, kiton and and I took it willing a
couple times. And man, it wasjust too nice of a rig to do

(01:37:03):
anything with it and ended upselling it off. And it was
getting closer and closer to thetime of going to red clay and I
was sort of flipping out becauseit's like, man, I told Adam and
Clarissa, you know, I'm doingthis and I'm gonna have to back
out what's going on. So Ithought about it, and I can't I
called Tom Allen, PSC. And I waslike, Hey, man, you still have

(01:37:23):
this truck? Oh, yeah, man, it'ssitting in a barn. Do you have
any interest in selling thattruck? I don't know. Maybe let
me call you back. And he calledhim back. And we I went down and
drove it and we worked a dealout. And I brought it back up
here and did you know basicallyjust a nut bolt check on it and
change fluids. And we built arack back here. And the back of
the shop and BSE era. VFE tents,loose arrow, man, he he's like,

(01:37:48):
man, check my 10 out and wethrew it back there. And it was
a good fit. And we went and ranthe red clay rally and we use
Adam and I we sat up here thenight before and had all the GPS
download and was like, where arewe taking this serious? Like,
are we really gonna do this timedistance speed and, and
calculate all this? And we'relike, now what is what is run

(01:38:08):
the GPS, we don't care if wewant to stop and eat somewhere
by the side of the road. We'rejust gonna stop and eat or
whatever we want to do. It'sjust gonna be a good time. And
we ended up like 11th 12th likeout of 150 teams, just like a
man. We're just going to. We'rehere to party. Right number
number one rule number one ruleto party. And you win. And then

(01:38:29):
you kind of almost one right?
Yeah, I mean it so that in turn,Adam gets back and he goes, man,
I want to build I want to buildlike a like a cheap stir. I was
like doing this. Yeah, I got a,you know, like I've got I've got
a tub and I've got all kinds ofspare parts. Let's make this
happen. And I took a trip downthere and just threw a bunch of

(01:38:51):
parts off at Trump. And now yousee the full jeepster build or
jeepster bill going on. And man,he's just he's on another level
like he does. He makes stuffhappen. And October of this
year, we'll end up doing the redclay rally again, I'm I'm trying
to call some people out. Youknow, I've called a Josh out
with off the grid. See if he'llcome hang out with us. And I

(01:39:13):
just called Matt Hale out, seeif he'll, he'll come out and you
come on out. Let's do the rally.
I can't even spell red or clay.
Let's do the rally man. It'sit's 800 miles over three days.
And you you you start inKentucky and you end up in West
Virginia, Virginia, Tennessee,and it's on an off road and it's

(01:39:34):
a good time. That does soundlike fun. We're kind of finding
information on that. Is there awebsite red, red, red clay rally
calm? So I think this year he'sdoing a little different. I
talked to him the other daywhere instead of having to sort
of pack up every single day andbeing in different locations.
He's having like a base camp.
And why? Yeah, like so you youcan tell there and then you just

(01:39:57):
you go outout every day and you complete
your course and then you comeback and you can have camp set
up and established instead ofhaving to pack it up every
single morning and, you know,unpack it every night. So it's a
it's a neat concept, man. I likeit a lot. And there's teams from
Venezuela that shipping cars todo this red clay rally. Man, I'm
looking I'm actually on theirwebsite now. 600 miles of

(01:40:21):
Appalachia. Yeah, I don't seepictures of us so this can't be
real. I think you guys fake yourpictures. Nevermind found you.
Wow. Nexus plates even Yeah, I'mrunning Texas plates on the
Texas truck Come on.
And there's Clarissa and LindseyOh, wow. Yeah. Okay, guys, that

(01:40:42):
is a good looking truck though.
Man. I will say that putting itI put some Hutchinson bead locks
on it and some middos and again,I just did a nut bolt on it and
put the bfhi tent and you can do7080 mile an hour down the road
because it's got an it's got aneight one you know fuel injected
motor in it for lady Atlas tunOh, so it's built pretty nice.

(01:41:03):
I'm sitting here thinking thatthe Sultan of a beater you're
actually you know, vintage onthis thing? No, no, you're no it
Tom did it right. I mean, it wason like the 2008 Ultimate
Adventure. I think it wasoh 80708 it's got a sticker on
it. But he took it on UltimateAdventure and rocked it out
there and he dropped that bigmotor in it and and I picked it

(01:41:23):
up I was I was lucky man likeMatthau as soon as I got it, he
calls me because I didn't evenknow that was for sale. Like I'm
I'm pretty pissed at you rightnow that you ended up with that.
Like you will you sell it to meand I was like, I don't know how
much you give me. It's like,yeah, everything's for sale. And
he's like, No, no, no, I knowyou. So no, no, no, no, no,

(01:41:44):
like, come on, Matt. If you I'mbad. Do you want it?
But yeah, it is. Yeah, it's it'sa it's a fun truck. I mean, it's
a very fun truck. I'm honestlyprobably gonna order a
fiberglass hardtop for it andstart driving it around in the
winter.
What's next for you, man? Idon't know that you know that

(01:42:05):
you can't stay away. That's whyI've got you on here is because
you're running around. You'rerunning around with Clyde NSR
SRS. You've talked to me aboutyou know, maybe having some
bouncers interviewing somebouncers on the show. That's
kind of not my genre. It's notmy jam. I know Timmy Cameron.
That's the guy now, outside ofthat I don't maybe I need to get

(01:42:27):
a guest host that knows thatworld. And then has those guys
on and they can be you know,talent tanked bouncers? I don't
I don't know what that lookslike, but you asked me about it.
I'm sure you've heard BobbyTanner. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so I mean, that that'sthat side of it. And you know,
it's, it's funny, whenever youcalled and asked about this,

(01:42:49):
like, I went all the way back tothe teleco days, like whenever
teleco was open, and you couldgo down there. And I remember
there was a what I would call abouncer now was there was a guy
named bud and that's the onlyreason why I just remember him
but but he had the Rockwell's on50 fours and man he just didn't
care he's just this older dude.
And and that's where I saidthat's where rock bouncing

(01:43:09):
started was with bud at telecoand then obviously you get into
Timmy doing the fat girl Willieand you know mad ramble, Evan
Cole, surely, you know it takesoff from there and then you you
throw into the some of the crazycoal works, design buggies that
just you know, the the time onthose and I don't know, like
some of that stuff's crazy. Andthen Adam Woodley.

(01:43:36):
Yeah, like that, again, anothermind of his own and, and I
literally remember seeing thatblower buggy. And he was driving
it. And I think Stan Haynes waswith him. I was like, Hey, this
is just a work of art. You know,like the time and effort and
what you comes out of your headis, it's amazing. So yeah, and
then what do you have is redneckrocket ship now and and, you

(01:43:58):
know, unfortunately, whathappened to Wes but man, I was I
was looking forward to seeingWes put on a show this year
because that that day is justinsane. He'll climb anything
along with all those guys. Haveyou heard any updates on Wes? I
haven't. So his mom has beenputting the updates up the most.
And the last one she's doingdaily updates. Last thing I
heard was he was breathing onhis own. They're still changing

(01:44:21):
out dressings and stuff, buthe's doing a lot better. I mean,
he is he's obviously he'sconscious. And they said that
that she the last update was hegets aggravated when they start
moving around a little bit, butyou know it he's doing he's
doing a lot better. Yes. Okay,that's damn good to hear. Such
just a heartbreaker to have seenthat happen. Yep.

(01:44:43):
But I mean, future wise. I don'tknow. Like, I got to race in the
Baja 1000 this past year with JTI was navigating for him right
and pat Sam's truck man thatthat whole that that Wilson
crew, Tim Wilson, Jeff and allthose guys. They took care of us
and I would definitely do thatagain.
All right like yeah I want to goback to that that right seat and

(01:45:04):
go racing you know the wF o crewyou know I put on your list that
I would like to get in thedriver's seat and go racing
bucket list races but the more Ithought about it man I like
going back to the family sidelike I'd rather getting in a
trail rig and get a big group ofpeople together and once a year
like just go well somewhere ifit's hot springs Arkansas if

(01:45:26):
it's wherever like take bigtrips like that you just go hang
out and and relax because we youknow all of us work so hard
during the day that you know youtake you throw racing in on top
of that and that's that's evenmore stressful sometimes than
just general day to day you knowlay it down and absolutely I
think I'd go back to trailriding and hanging out in the

(01:45:48):
woods with friends least lookingYeah exactly. Yeah man the the
racing kind of I was never acrawler I've gone you know gone
wheelin and Clayton and goneyour Green Acres and you to
Disney and I've gone to Ryan newwolf caves and some of the stuff
here around Texas I've done itit is not my thing like I just

(01:46:09):
haveno interest like I get there now
my friends are there and we'redrinking beer yeah man I've no
other place in the world I'drather be but yeah, but if we're
gonna do this like why don't wedo it at a lake on a boat you
know and not rotate you know runwhy not rotated it's a let's
let's go let's go sailing or goto the you know Virgin Islands

(01:46:29):
during the winter and you knowjust come spring let's go We'll
and somewhere and then yeah,let's let's hit Jean. Let's
grandfather Tom. Let's go seeJean and have a su you know,
like let's go out there on thelake. Right. Ah, you know, it's
something we need to figurefigure it out though. But yeah.
I don't know. It seems like youknow, you guys usually don't

(01:46:52):
have kids. But you know, my kidsare you know, it's every other
weekend is a baseballtournament. And then we've got
horses. My daughter got steppedon by her horse last night. The
first time ever stepped right onher foot. And she's 10 years
old. First time. It was bad. Butthen this morning it was
arguments about wearing tennisshoes to school because the how

(01:47:13):
bad or foot hurt it was swollen.
Oh wow. Little kids where wetalk about horses earlier.
Sorry. I had to get that. Butthat's where we're at it. It's
just it's hard. Tiffany you knowmy wife. It's hard to get away
for any time when you don't haveto they're not old enough to be
self sufficient. But they're oldenough that nobody wants to come
in.

(01:47:36):
Kids they ruin everything right?
Yeah.
Totally worth it but then youknow so we've got a few got a
few more years before we get youknow a lot of freedom but anyway
off that said you don't want torun them linger on. Alright,
man, as we close this out. I'vegot a question for you. Send it
what are your three favoritesongs? Oh, man, I heard this you

(01:48:01):
could be this and I was like,Man, I'm gonna get ready for
this and I completely forgotabout it. But I don't know that
like, man I'm pretty prettyrandom on music because the
lance I don't know that I havesongs and necessarily like
Austin I will say open my eyes alot. Because you could go see
bands whenever you want it tofor 20 bucks down there. Right.

(01:48:22):
And still can an amazing Yeah,amazing. Yes. So I would lean
towards like more bands ingeneral like in my playlist
right now. I'm on like, if Ineed something to get beat, you
know, like beat me up a littlebit and get energized then.
Probably going to go towardslike Incubus. Just like, a lot

(01:48:44):
of their songs. If I'm sort ofmellow. I went saw a band and
Asheville, North Carolina, like,they're called Mountjoy. I don't
know why, but that just theirwhole two three albums of
theirs. Love them. And thenthere's a band out of Austin.
That is called the Wheelerbrothers. They're not a band

(01:49:05):
anymore like that. They actuallywent into construction side and
but the Wheeler brothers I likedthem a lot. Growing up it was
always Pearl Jam. You know thatside of it. I never got into rap
a lot. I just wasn't there.
Texas country Sign me up likethe bob Snyder's that not
necessarily Texas country, buthe's just that that Texas guy

(01:49:26):
and give me some sturgillSimpson. You know that side?
Yes. I'm good with that. I'mcurrently I'm on a there's a
girl. I think I will say she'sout of maybe Stephenville Texas
somewhere in that part of theworld. You know, like, if it is
Steven Ville, I'm right. I thinkthat's the where she went to
school at. You know, that'swhere like Ty Murray, where his

(01:49:46):
ranch is, you know, time wherehe was married to jewel. This
girl's name is Kat AC, Katiehasty, h A, S t y and I call
When I heard maybe a week agoish on on amazon music it It
showed her music to me, I'mlistening. I'm like, this is

(01:50:08):
pretty good. Some of her songsare, you know, guy hate songs,
you know, similar to like TaylorSwift.
Or like, guy. So some of themI'm like, yeah, I'm out on this,
but I like her voice and I like,you know, she's got good, good
beaten tone. But then I read aninterview because I'm like,
okay, who is this? Who is thisgirl and when we're interviews,
she basically says, If you guysknew who a lot of my songs are

(01:50:33):
about the guy that it's about,you guys would make fun of me
and never listen to it again. II'm an idiot, this guy, he's not
song worthy. And I wrote allthese songs and now they're good
and well I found that to befunny that you know, she wrote a
bunch of songs to help get herthrough bad times. And turns out
everyone kind of likes thembecause they can associate with

(01:50:54):
them. But that's not wireless. Ijust think she has a really good
voice and she's had some funstuff but Okay, so so let's go i
mean it's it's it's one of thatlike, I grew up and I mean we
were ever we're on songs likegood to be said it just
depending on where you're at andwhat you're doing and in the
place where you're at mentallylike if you're well he says he
doesn't listen to it whileyou're driving down the road. I

(01:51:16):
bounce back and forth betweenlike I listened to podcasts in
the morning like news stufffinance stuff for business i've
i've listened to some alongthose lines and then my commutes
long enough that when that endsthis there's a couple of shows I
listened to their own like aboutthe 30 to 40 minute range and
then I got another 20 minutes Ikind of music out for that last
20 but then coming home I'meither on the phone with guys

(01:51:38):
like you or give me your I'mtalking to people I've or
business meetings. I will talkon the phone all the way home
but if I'm not then I'll turn iton. And it's on Texas country.
That's it and and that was bornon the ranch.
That came right that came upright on Facebook the other day.
Where was that sticker atsomebody stick? Somebody's
sticker at a door somewhere. Oh,it was the Rufus racing crew. It

(01:52:02):
was at the Rufus grill. It wasall the stickers on the door and
one of the stickers on the doorwas 94 or five the ranch and I'm
like, I have the app I have thatapp in my phone because for the
longest time well in Houstongranted it is Texas. We didn't
have Texas music on the radio.
Well now we have our it's on theHD channels. So the country
station has HD one and Hd 283was on the HD three of both of

(01:52:27):
the country channels. But myprerunner doesn't have HD Radio.
So I get that and you realizewhat you just said my pre runner
doesn't have HD Radionot free runner.

(01:52:47):
Such a hard line.
I did buy commuter I have acommuter car right now but
but now I was coming out drivethat thing 100 miles a day round
trip and that frickin truck isstill on 40 inch NATO's six two
liter all the travel there'snothing funner than that thing

(01:53:07):
in process. I call it processingtraffic. It's fun. You're five
lanes wide of traffic and youjust processes you just process
as fast as you know. Everyone'swrong. I mean, yeah, yeah, the
speed limit 65 but I mean that'sa that's an idea. That's that's
Yeah, everyone you know in Texasit's again five lanes wide six

(01:53:28):
lanes wide some places andyou're everyone's going at and
so you just go at seven or eightand you just you weave you just
process and then you get mad atyourself when you process a bad
lane and you lose a spot or twoor three or 10 and you're then
you're just cussing at yourselflike damn I knew better than to

(01:53:48):
get behind the silver import Ithought I knew silver imports
bad and I still pulled up behindit and they give you like the
Cody Cody Wagner He always getsbehind the Prius Get out of the
waythat's no we have the left lane
it didn't even have their you'repressing more these people all
over the country though you canbe doesn't matter if you're West
Texas, where it's the 90 youknow like we're you're rolling

(01:54:10):
now there'll be somebody justparked in the left lane just
Yep. Driving speed limit. Yeah.
What is this? anyway? Well, hey,as we're I'm done with you, but
we could go on for hours.
I know that we accomp I don'tknow that we checked anything
off of your list that you sentme to pre pre game this one

(01:54:32):
right? It's like oh, let's talkfor a while. Oh, we did. We told
a ton of great stories. Itwasn't scripted. It was and I
love catching up with you. Butwas there anything that we
missed that you wanted to makesure absolutely off the bottom
of your heart and the top ofyour head that you wanted to get
out there and that we didn'tcover? I think I'm good
Honestly, I mean, we coveredabout everything. I mean it's

(01:54:52):
it's your questions are good.
They made me think a little bityou know, it definitely made me
miss ultra for but at the sametime, you know that
The one question that got me wasthere was, what was the hardest
lesson? I think was one of yourquestions that you've learned in
life. Is that right? Maybe, youknow, it's not good to divulge
my questionnaireI'm joking. I think that was one

(01:55:14):
of your questions. But you know,like, for anybody out there that
needs to hear it itself worse,you know, you like determine
what your value is to the peoplearound you and don't ever lower
yourself to whatever just tomake people happy keep keep your
standard high and always do theright thing and value what you

(01:55:36):
have to give to everybody aroundyou. That's what I'll leave
with. So self worth Oh, thoseare those are Words To Live By.
Absolutely. So yeah. Well Jeremythank you for thank you for
being a good friend thank youfor you know, the all the years
that you worked at ultra for andall the courses you helped build
all the events you helped put onand, and maybe making memories

(01:55:58):
for everyone that listens tothis show and in our genre and
helping build the genre and thencontinuing on with what you're
you've got going with SRS Clydeman, glad to know you and rock
sports. You're one of my you'reone of my favorite people that
Hang Hang out with and drinkbeer I drink fireball with as
well.
Although, thanks for putting meon podcast, right like I always

(01:56:20):
drove down the road eithertalking on the phone or
listening to music now. Nowstarted listening to podcast and
gotten, you know, went down thatrabbit hole. But it's good. It's
education. And then now youdon't have JT hanging this over
you right because JT took yourspot originally back in Episode
15. Something like that. Set upon Yeah, I remember agreeing to

(01:56:43):
coming on and then I ended upbouncing out of ultra for and JT
took my spot. Yeah. And he wassupposed to be episode, I
believe seven and then werecorded it. And you know, it
was it just wasn't. It wasn't agood interview. It was he was in
a different place. You know, wejust lost Jessi combs speaking
about her in so we scratched itright when we did it again. And

(01:57:05):
it was so much better. But uh,yeah, it shouldn't be in your
spot. And so here we go. Youknow, it took us a little while
to get back to you, but I'm gladto have had you on man. Thank
you. Appreciate it. Yeah, I youknow, great. Alright everybody.
I hope you enjoyed it. I enjoyedit. And on that note, we're out.

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