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February 2, 2024 46 mins

I talk with Patricia Spears Jones (The Beloved Community) about Lorenzo Thomas' poem "The Bathers." We discuss the Birmingham Children's Crusade; growing up in Arkansas; the Black Arts Movement and New York School; Egyptology; the legacy of Lorenzo Thomas; and more. Afterward Patricia reads her poem "Green Ribbons" about the Atlanta Child Murders. We cry, we laugh. I also help her learn some important celebrity trivia.

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