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May 30, 2025 30 mins

Johnny Hartman is the founder and CEO of Vision Systems, a company pioneering the use of advanced 3D visualization and neurotechnology to better understand the brain and unlock human performance. 

Drawing on his background in both neuroscience and immersive technology, Johnny is building tools that allow researchers, clinicians, and athletes to visualize brain activity in real time, optimize training, and accelerate recovery.

Key Takeaways:

  • 3D Brain Visualization: Vision Systems has developed interactive 3D models that map brain activity, making complex neural data accessible and actionable for both experts and non-experts.
  • Performance Optimization: The technology is used by elite athletes and trainers to identify cognitive bottlenecks, enhance focus, and personalize mental training regimens.
  • Clinical Applications: Clinicians use Vision Systems’ platform to track recovery from injury, monitor therapy progress, and communicate brain health insights to patients and families.
  • Bridging Research and Practice: Johnny’s mission is to close the gap between neuroscience research and real-world performance, making brain data useful for everyday decision-making.
  • Accessible Neurotech: By combining immersive visualization with user-friendly interfaces, Vision Systems is democratizing access to advanced brain analytics, moving beyond labs and into sports, education, and wellness.

Johnny’s journey began with a fascination for how the brain works and a frustration with the “black box” nature of traditional neuroscience tools. He saw an opportunity to make brain data not just more visible, but more meaningful-helping people understand, train, and heal their minds. 

The company’s 3D tools have already been adopted by major sports teams, neurorehabilitation clinics, and high-performance training centers.

Looking ahead, Johnny envisions a future where brain visualization is as common as heart rate tracking, empowering individuals to unlock their full cognitive and emotional potential.


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nathan-c---they-them-_1_05 (00:00):
Hey, Glow Up team.
Sometimes we gotta talk aboutthe fine print.

Johnny Hartman (00:03):
But We have these eight assessments that
basically lean into the ideathat we create a measurement or
a baseline that you can comeback to and check against, and
the doctors can go, oh, you'rehere.
And then if there's an incident.
That's really where we werelooking at originally and then,
yes, there's definitelysomething we're seeing and
understanding it can help bringback to an incident.
But all of a sudden we took thisinto a pilot with a professional

(00:28):
organization and shall we saythe athletic trainer came back
and went,"It's like their CNSlit up, what's going on?" And so
we're really interested in whatthe, the idea, especially around
the neuroplasticity,

Nathan C (00:44):
Hello and welcome to The Glow Up Fabulous
conversations with innovativeminds.
Today I'm talking with JohnnyHartman, co-founder of Vision
Systems johnny, it's so good tosee you today.
Thanks for joining me.

Johnny Hartman (00:55):
Thank you so much.
Thanks for having me.

Nathan C Bowser (00:57):
Amazing.
Let's get into it! Can you tellus about, who you are and a
little bit about what you do atVision Systems

Johnny Hartman (01:05):
Yeah, I co-founded this company about
eight years ago with Dr.
Bruce Wojciechowski.
He's an optometrist who broke mybrain and he came to me one day
and asked me,"How do I takesomeone who is waking up from a
coma and put them into VR?" Andit was just such an intriguing
question that led to lots ofmore conversations and

(01:26):
eventually a company that'sevolved and spun out.
I've been floating around theNorthwest and everything from a
media perspective is really moremy background.
But, it's been reallyinteresting to take what is the
research side of my world andapply that into medicine.
And what's come out of thatover,'cause we've been in
stealth for a while.

(01:47):
We're coming out here, we'vebeen in since about six or seven
years, honestly.
So yeah, we're super excited!

Nathan C (01:54):
Can you, dive in a little bit, to the problem
space?
And the core problem that you'reworking on at Vision Systems and
how the work that you've beendoing those last six years

Johnny Hartman (02:04):
Yeah, so

Nathan C (02:05):
have developed?

Johnny Hartman (02:06):
What kind of we came to with the crux, or what I
came to realize is that therewas no ruler for measuring kind
of visual perception and, visualhuman performance in 3D space is
all over the place, right?
Our best kept secret was, likewhat ESPN Sports Science.

(02:29):
I mean that, when we come tolaying on what is, Apple's got
right people, everybody's tryingto understand it, but we really
were coming at it from a very,broken place.
And I realized that because Istarted to come from it from a
true accessibility design.
Because we started in VR witheye tracking, which is, I

(02:50):
started in VR in 94, AI in 96.
I, run a research lab since2006.
But we found that the ability toengage someone at that level
really was at that almost likeStephen Hawking like interface,
if you recall the kind of Inteltouch board they did many years
ago with him, as the primaryinput.

(03:11):
And we built out all thistechnology and stack in and
around the eyes and realize thatthe eyes fatigue very quickly.
And Toby and Pupil Labs andothers are out there doing a lot
of interesting things when itcomes to the eyes.
But the medical side of this hasalways been, oh that's nifty and
things.
So having clinicians and doctorsand research here at the get has

(03:35):
been very interesting becausewhat it's allowed us to
understand is that we can createan objective measurement for an
individual's visual andcognitive functions.
So we're working directly withDr.
Bruce, who's a neuro visual, andthen Dr.
Alan Gee who also has his PhDbut, working with us to

(03:55):
understand what it means tomeasure everyone with these
tools.
So we basically, in a nutshell,we've built a ruler here for
understanding kind of your neurovisual, in and around what our
eight assessments is how we'vestarted, and then we have some
training mechanics and quite afew other things that have come
out of the research.

Nathan C (04:14):
So what does understanding how someone's
vision systems, help youunderstand things like
cognitive, and I think you evenmentioned like sports
performance.
How do these tests that you'vedeveloped help give insight into
like performance and brainhealth?

Johnny Hartman (04:34):
Yeah, really, again, that idea that the
ability to measure, so creatinga"quantified self" in a real way
with clinicians and doing itthrough these different
assessments, which werebasically, we took what were,
we've gone beyond this, but ouroriginal path was we took the
analog and we digitized it.

(04:54):
So the Snellen, which inoptometry is that big"E" chart
on the wall you're looking at.
We took that and we digitizedthat.
So we've got what we call"Archer" is the digitized
version of that.
We have something called"Hunter"which is an evolution where
things move and do a bunch ofstuff.
We have these eight assessmentsthat basically lean into the
idea that we create ameasurement or a baseline that

(05:16):
you can come back to and checkagainst, and the doctors can go,
"Oh, you're here." And then ifthere's an incident, that's
really where we were looking atoriginally and then yes, there's
definitely something we'reseeing and understanding it can
help bring back to an incident.
But all of a sudden we took thisinto a pilot with a professional
organization and shall we saythe athletic trainer came back

(05:40):
and went,"It's like their CNSlit up, what's going on?!" And
so we're really interested inwhat the, the idea, especially
around the neuroplasticity,because I think that's really
where in the long run we canreally stretch our legs and help
people a lot because it's smallnudged behaviors, not these

(06:00):
grand gestures, which reallymakes the key differentiator I
feel like.

Nathan C (06:04):
So I wanna clarify something that you just said
that I heard you say.
That this trainer, you said,noticed that their CNS is that
central nervous system?

Johnny Hartman (06:16):
My apologies.
I spent too much time in themilitary, and then acronyms.
Central nervous system.
Yes! Yes.
They took our assessments beforethey took a physical, and what
they noticed is all thephysicals of the guys who did it
compared to the ones who didn'tthere were some very early
interesting indicators that madethem and their eyes light up and

(06:38):
has made a number of otherprojects and things, that we're
working on that I shouldprobably be careful about.
That work towards theperformance as well as the
wellness and, honestly, where westarted this kind of aging in
place space.
Which is really interesting.

Nathan C (06:53):
Interesting how, the act of taking an assessment that
engages your visual systemengages different parts of your
brain might actually also belike stimulating and training
those areas at the same time.
You said something at the verytop about your partnership

Nathan C Bowser (07:14):
in founding vision Systems that

Nathan C (07:16):
it started around a conversation about virtual
reality, but it also seemstablets, you mentioned
accessibility was a bigimportance to you.
So how do you go from like aconversation about doing tests
in VR and end up with tablets asyour focus?
That's a great, twist on theinnovation angle.

Johnny Hartman (07:38):
Yeah, we were really gonna be bound stuck in a
hardware dependency that wouldbe very bad or limiting for us
as a company.
And so what we really needed todo and why it's taken as long as
it has, is the fact that wewanted to move beyond just, I
don't know if you want to callit a one trick pony or a one
lane.
It's not one trick, but it'smore of like a one lane pony, so

(08:01):
we abstracted, we knew we neededthe data platform, we needed the
platform because the dataanalytics was really where we
were at that point.
We'd had a lot of capture andinformatics and stuff that we
were, raw research data.
But we really realized that itwas, like we need to be able to
have centralized, it needs toget universal in a simple way,

(08:23):
and honestly that's really whereI'm trying to push us, is to
make this as accessible and assimple as possible.
This is why I wanna make surethis happens above anything else
in my world.
Beyond my wife and son beinghealthy and happy and taking
care of my family is because Iwant to help a million kids in

(08:45):
the next three years.
That's our goal here, to justgive this away as a baseline for
all of these kids! We're alreadyin process of talking to
different groups and we seethere is so many other
opportunities to, be able towhat I will say at least cover

(09:06):
costs.
As soon as we mix in some AI andsome of that stuff.
Get baseline, get your baselinein and work through with these
kids.
So we've been working through acouple of programs and we're
really hopeful that we can getin.
Honestly, our biggest hurdleshave been things like just a
misunderstanding of technologyor people seeing us for
something and then all of asudden they associate us with a

(09:28):
competitor or someone, they putus in a category and now all of
a sudden, oh you need to be justlike they are.
And we're like, but that's anywho.
But I think we can get around alot of that with just the idea
that let's just get these kidsvaulted.
Let's get these kids in andbaselined.

Nathan C (09:45):
When you're looking to, start people engaging with
these tests to make thatbaseline, to start to
understand, get this picture oftheir mental and cognitive
health.
What's the impact that you hopeto make, by engaging students
with this kind of informationand how does it help them manage

(10:06):
and understand their health,their performance through the
years?

Johnny Hartman (10:10):
So the biggie that we see is a lot of things
where it's just the day-to-dayability to improve yourself
through small behaviors.
Even if it's not a daily patternbehavior, just going in on a
regular and making sure, a lotof people go to sports,
especially when you get to theperformance side of this or the

(10:31):
other side, when they talk aboutthe bonks and the bruises and
those kinds of things.
The reality is the majority ofthose bonks and bruises happen
in a car or car accidents.
So that's anybody, anywhere,anytime.
So being able to have continuouskind of baseline understanding
where you're at and where youcan progress to and how fast.

(10:52):
This is really where we'regetting into our trainings,
which, what those dounfortunately or fortunately,
depending on how you look at it,they break you down.
It gets, I've got one of mypartners who's this is just
madness how can I possibly, it'sour pounce.
He's at I think, he was at 60for his start.
He's at nine now and he can'teven he can't even get to the

(11:13):
first dot, it's just it justbreaks you down and tries to get
you to what that limit is.
Which has created some reallyinteresting things, which is
again, for the kids to know,hey, on the senior side of this,
what we've unfortunatelyrealized from starting to work
with the elite athletes is theremay be an age at which you'll

(11:35):
never see a green again, becauseeven an elite athlete with a
deficit gets to what would be,that the bottom end is still in
that green.
But it's on that bottom end ofthe green, but the high end of
that elderly population.
So we've literally, we'reputting a blue band in, we were

(11:56):
doing, we were trying to do red,yellow, green to keep it as
simple as possible.
But we wanna, yeah, like thesekind of more data and the
normative, getting there slowly.

Nathan C (12:07):
So there was something that you called out that, I
think is worth taking a littlebit of a moment on and
celebrating, right?
It sounds like one, and mostpeople don't necessarily have a
baseline, or they don't have a,an understanding or a
measurement, to your point atthe beginning, they haven't
necessarily measured where theircognition, where their brain

(12:28):
function is today.
And then there are these momentsthat might happen, not just on
the sports field, not justplaying football or other
contact sports, things that arepretty every day, like being in
a car accident, getting aconcussion.
If you've had an incident or aninjury, all of the care that
would typically happen for youmoving forward would be based on

(12:50):
some averages about what thatdoctor would expect to see in
somebody like you.
And now with a Vision Systemsbaseline and an understanding of
where you've been, you canactually start to compare today
against how you were before thecrash and potentially be way

(13:12):
more specific and personalizedin your care.
You know, head trauma takes awhile and to get any kind of
signal that you're making gains,that you're building synapses
back, to give you encouragementor even to give you tools to
lift weights with, it could bereally empowering for folks who
often are left just waiting tobe average.

Johnny Hartman (13:34):
Lifting weights.
The doctors lean into that a lotit's kinda like lifting weights
with your eyes.
But the idea that this is, it'sjust you like calisthenics or
anything else, your visualsystem.
And it starts with the eyes.
'Cause the eyes, that's 80% ofyour input comes in through your
visual system.

(13:54):
And that's this, your visualsystem.
As Doc says, one of his earlymentors said, it's not two balls
on a stick.
There's this wholeinterconnected process of what's
going on in the brain and allthe microbe chemicals and all
right, all of this stuff that'sgoing on that we don't go, oh
yeah vision.
And if you've ever watchedanything like, Science Channel

(14:17):
brain games or anything, andthey talk about what we actually
like we only glint this smalllittle component of what is our
reality.
The rest of it, it is all likewe make it up, don't tell
anybody! So you know it's this,which also comes back to the eye

(14:38):
tracking.
The doctors talking about theidea of that train, retrain,
test, retest.
While that is a single and solosample, we're getting into a
world where we are going to getenough data to where we're gonna
be able to say,"Hey, if you're18 to 24." We don't have that
yet other than in small pools orsamples or pilots where we have

(14:58):
some interesting data.
But, the growth as we can go andgrow with this is really gonna
help to get us to understandlike, how can I action this?
Because that's the other part ofwhat we're doing with the data,
is we're taking it back to thedoctors and saying, okay, now
with this and this, what can youdo?

(15:19):
And I got a call from Dr.
Bruce.
This one made me so happy.
He's like,"How'd you like to 3xyour data without altering the
platform?" Yeah, we sent eyepatches to one of our
customers." And I'm like butdoctors are brilliant." Like
you're not, we're not thinking.
Yeah.
That immediately gets us lefteye, right eye, both eyes, which

(15:42):
in the optometry profession getsyou into, and in the research
side, this is how we can do morecomparative too.
Okay, yeah, this should becovered under insurance because,
or whatever, right?
Which is, ideally where we'dlike to be able to say and go,
and we've got a lot of researchto do in a lot of different
areas But, being able to actionthose across an ecosystem,

(16:05):
whether that be on the iPad, inVR, in xr, there's a number of
other, things that we've beenworking at.
And then under understand thatdata through what is, so first
we make the doctors un and usunderstand it, and then we
spend.
What is it?
Quite a bit more time, honestly.
And then we go, okay, this ishow it becomes a red, yellow,

(16:27):
green, which is what we, werenow red, yellow, blue, green
scale to, to lay things outwithin so that we can make this
understandable to people and.
I gotta say the latest updatethat we're about to push the
reporting system is finally to aspot I'm so happy about because
at a glance you can look and dolike a dots per second

(16:48):
comparative or whatever themetric is, but there's like
little arrows and they'regreener and right, and they tell
point an up or down, and so youcan like.
Even if you don't know anythingabout the platform, you still
start to grok and get semblance.
And as we go and grow more, wesimplify and simplify this.
And this is really coming backto the tracking and the VR with

(17:10):
the coma patient.
we created a patent, we'recalling the SSP Scale status,
symptoms and performance.
And we're trying to get that toa one to 10 scale.
What we're gonna do right now ispeel back to a percentage, and
in fact, we'll probably alwayskeep percentage because that's a
little holistically moreunderstandable to people than
the one to 10 scale that wehave.

(17:32):
But we really do.
Want to be able to go there.
Because what that also does isthat takes the survey and the
questions that are weighted andbrings that into a three vector
scale and a measurement.
So we take over time and Right.
So status, symptoms, and thenyour performance in current

(17:53):
time.
So it gets into this kind ofdeeper measurement that I think
we're gonna be able to get to.
when we can measure it acrossthis scale, when we understand
how we, how do we take a rulerto our performance in 3D space?

Nathan C (18:07):
Yeah, It must be challenging to, as you're
learning, as you're acquiringdata, as you're learning about,
the data that you've collected,new applications, new ideas, new
layers of data, layers ofinsight, continue to reveal

(18:29):
themselves.
I'm curious, how do you.
Plan and prioritize.
when so much of, what you'redoing is both invigorating and
exciting.
how do you know which signals togo after?
and, which ones should be partof the master vision and
strategy.

Johnny Hartman (18:49):
At the, we come back to our mission and our
vision, right?
So a lot of this comes back tothe medical, the clinical side.
it's really that slow boat side.
But really that's also the sidewhere we get to give this away
to a million kids, which isreally a huge point.
To all of this.
And then you look at what theopportunity is in market and

(19:11):
without having to, I don't wannasay have shackles on because, I
don't wanna make the clinical ormedical side feel.
But trust me, I've been in otherindustries where the regulatory,
and not saying that they should,loosen a lot of medical
regulatory, that's not thepoint.

(19:31):
But it's just a very differentenvironment to operate in, which
is something I've learned.
but in the other areas or otherindustries where we can action
and leverage the technology, IEthe performance side.
So we are really just leaninginto what our customers, we're
hearing what they have to say,All right.
Here tweak.

(19:52):
And that's pretty much whatwe've been doing for probably
the last six to.
We started 12, about 12 monthsago with more of the clinic and
trying to get him into the dailypattern and we're headed to that
in a small and contained waywith the aging in place kind of
thing for them to be able to dosome study stuff, which I should

(20:13):
be careful a little bit about,but that gets very interesting.

Nathan C (20:18):
you have a bit of, there's a vision, behind all of
this exciting tech andopportunity.
the show is called The Glow Up,and I'd like to think of that as
a notable transformation.
You could also just call itshort-term goals, right?
So in the next, six months orso, what's a glow up, that
you're looking to make, withVision Systems

Johnny Hartman (20:39):
I think being able to, promote some of our,
initial customers, I thinkthat'll definitely be happening.
and being able to speak a littlebit more about some of the
things that we're doing, when itcomes to that.
And then I think The extensionof some of the research pieces,

(20:59):
when we get a few more, thingsextended.
We already have some things inplace, that I can SKO talk
about.
As we get that gets realinteresting because.
we are not gonna solve this.
This isn't about us trying tosolve what is measuring our
ecosystem, right?
That is not we don't, I'm notdelusional enough and the

(21:20):
doctors are not right.
Has gotta be a rational approachin how people do this.
Again, subtle, small, right?
It's not about I'm gonna lose500 pounds and put on 800 pounds
of muscle, right?
that's totally unachievable andnot even if you achieve it, it's
not sustainable.
So it's what are those small,measurable things that you can
do even in the moment in life,because maybe that's very

(21:43):
different for a 74-year-old thanit is for a 34-year-old.
'cause the 74 just wants to holdon the 34 wants to push a little
bit more'cause he thinks hemight get another year or two
out of that primed pump'cause hesaw LeBron do it until, or
whatever.
I just watched Chris Paul, whois gonna be the only player in

(22:05):
NBA history to do all games andhe will be 40 years old.
He played all games this season.
He'll be 40 years old in May, soat 39 did not miss an NBA game.
First time in NBA history.
that's a new level ofunderstanding the human body and
performance and taking care ofyourself in a way, which I think
that's part of why we wannareally lean into that side of

(22:27):
the performance market.

Nathan C (22:30):
the idea I'm struck by, as somebody who's a
communicator, the idea that youmay have to explain your
cognitive health and how yourbaseline can help you get what
you want out of life to everyonefrom, sounds high school
students to retirees and maybeeven lower students to retirees.

(22:55):
the stack of, perspectives andgoals that, potential client
base may have is really notable.
I love, that you're focused onstarting small, starting where
there's value and, always makingsure to measure and, bring the
scientists along.
Good on you for that.

Johnny Hartman (23:14):
I, just gotta say, it's like the drunken
bachelorette party or bachelorparty rolls into town fairly
regular as of late, becauseexactly what you just said.
we'd never make it to there.
Because what we have to do rightnow is we have to listen to our
customer.
We have to do what they say,finish what the right, like I
have been tried to be pulled offthis and I'm like a dog with a

(23:38):
bone on it at this point.
So I think if we really wannatry to do this, it starts with
that first step.
It's an elephant, right?
You take that first small bite'cause a million kids love to do
it right this second.
I gotta think about what doesthat mean for me as a company?
'cause there's hosting fees andthings like that.
So Right before, I don't knowhow many people have been

(23:59):
through the raise process, but,for the most part we have
bootstrapped completely to thispoint, and, we went out and then
we're talking to, what we, hadhoped were going to be people
that understood the vision andwhatever, and began to
understand the vulture capital.
You know what it means whenpeople talk about that?
'cause they're like, that'sgreat.

(24:20):
Gonna save the planet and all,but I'm not gonna make 90%
unless I do this.
So yeah, it's just come on.
I think there's some bigproblems out there in the world
But I think we all need to thinkabout making all companies B
Corps or something.

Nathan C (24:32):
I love it.
We're getting a little bit ofradical business strategy in
here at the same time as,transforming how we measure and
understand our brains.
You alluded to the next questionactually, which is, at this
phase of your work with VisionSystems, is there anything, that
you're looking for or would liketo engage the community around?

Johnny Hartman (24:55):
I think it's, trying to figure out a smart
path to help these kids over thenext three years is what can be
a slippery slope potentially.
just, getting to a point where.
I don't wanna distract too muchfrom this, but there is a bigger
mission, that we're gettingattached to and leads toward

(25:15):
what I was saying about, everybusiness is a B Corp.
I do believe one of the thingswe're looking at is joining
with, or.
Figuring out what becomes anonprofit for a research
institute so that we can allowbusinesses and companies to
interact and inventors to thrivein an ecosystem that can

(25:38):
integrate and leverage theecosystem of universities.
And then allow them to taketheir smarts and turn that into
what become other spin ups.
So some of these other incubatormodels and stuff.
But the idea is, we don't, okay,I got a question for every
economist on the OR money guy,okay, I need to, or earn every

(26:02):
quarter.
What happens after a hundredquarters?
How do you just the never endinghave to earn and do better, and
that's the God of all businesshas led us to some really scary
places as we can all see.
So I think there needs to be areal big rethink of how we all
collectively, work towardsfiguring out how we tackle the

(26:27):
future.
I think that's through thingslike this potential partnership
with the, nonprofit organizationand the university side of
things, leaning into theresearch and then helping, doing
what doc's doing, which is, whensomebody from one of our
customers calls answering andsaying, Hey, this is what this
means, and understanding that onthat side we can do some things

(26:50):
and do the training and thegamified pieces, but when we see
something, we're not trying todiagnose or be clinicians or
anything.
We're just saying, Hey, youshould call.
So that's, you asked what thethings are, right?
Trying to figure out what thatkind of, resource network for
referral, that kind of thing.

(27:11):
I think that's been a question.
I've asked my team and, we'vegot a couple of different groups
that we've talked to, but whatthat might look like for us as a
company in the next, year, ninemonths, something like that to
start to look at something likethat, I think that makes sense.

Nathan C (27:26):
Amazing, partnerships and referrals and a whole lot
of, ethics in, value-basedbusiness.
It sounds like, just a little inthe mix.
Awesome.
Johnny.
Each episode of the Glow Up, welike to make an opportunity to
give a shout out, communityspotlight to groups that are
doing good in the community,whether it's nonprofit, or other

(27:46):
innovative project.
Is there anybody that you'd liketo give a shout out to?

Johnny Hartman (27:51):
I gotta say, we, they've been with us from the
get, Wyoming Human HealthLaboratory.
what they're doing there, isreally innovative.
It's in Jackson.
there's some really interestingthings going on there, so I'd
love to give them a shout outand some love.

Nathan C (28:12):
Amazing.
Shout out to WHILL amazing,Jonny.
We always go far and deep whenwe connect.
I am so glad that, we couldcheck in today and hear how
Vision Systems is really helpingpeople, with accessible digital
assessments, that help peopleboth measure understand and

(28:36):
potentially, lift weights, withtheir brains.
It has been so inspiring to hearhow, despite your interest in
deep tech and all of the flashy,trends and modalities, that you
could be choosing from, thatyou're really using, your

(28:57):
connection to your customers andthe clinical medical data, that
you're developing with yourpartners to really understand
and direct the futureengagements with your ambitious
plans.
So glad to talk with you todayand thank you for joining me on
The Glow Up.

Johnny Hartman (29:15):
Thank you so much.

Nathan C (29:16):
Thank you.

nathan-c---they-them-_1_05 (29:44):
Hey, glow up team.
Sometimes we gotta talk aboutthe fine print.
The content discussed in thispodcast is for informational
purposes only, and is notintended as medical advice.
Statements about this technologyhave not been evaluated by the
FDA and are not intended todiagnose, treat, cure, or
prevent any disease.

(30:06):
Always consult a licensedhealthcare provider for medical
advice or concerns.
Thanks y'all.
Let's get into the show.
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