A Very Special Episode - Coach Bishop Breaks Down Kendrick vs. Drake - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful people.
I hit record as fast as humanlypossible today because Coach is
already in.
He is just hyped, hyped up.
I am your host, coach Castleton.
You will hear shortly fromCoach Bishop, who is with me, as
always, and you will also hearfrom the illustrious boss of

(01:00):
ours, emily Chambers.
I'm just going to take all ofthe intros off the table and
throw it to coach bishop.

Speaker 3 (01:06):
Coach, take it away, okay I'm gonna try as best I can
to balance the need to maintainsome level of decorum and to
express what the fuck justhappened in hip-hop.
Because, all right, I almostfeel like I gotta go back to the
very beginning.

(01:26):
Okay, I was born in 1972.
Hip-hop was born in 1973.
Okay, hip-hop is mycontemporary, that is my music,
that is my culture.
Like I've been here for all therap beefs.
I've been here for all the rapbeefs.
I've been here for all thebullshit.
I've been here for all.
I've been here for all of it.

(01:47):
Okay, so what I'm?
I'm not going to pretend thatI've kept up with every artist
and this and that over the years, but I am telling you, this
culture is who I am.
This is a humongous piece ofwho I am.

(02:08):
So I have to lay that groundworkso people have some sense of
what is happening to CoachBishop today, because both Coach
and Boss will tell you that Itexted them and I'm just like oh
my God, this is historic.
And have I ever texted you guysthat anything was historic

(02:32):
before?
There have been interestingstories?
Nope, no, this is like okay, so, oh God, all right, for those
of you who may need to get alittle bit of a catch, because
there's so much to this.
As I told Coach, we could do aweek, we could just sit here and
record for a week, and we stillwould not be done unpacking the
beef that just unfolded betweenDrake and Kendrick Lamar.

(02:57):
And what's fascinating to me,this will be the topic of
college courses.
Let me put that on the table.
This will be the topic ofcollege courses.
Let me put that on the table.
I promise you right now therewill be college courses taught,

(03:23):
centered on they Not Like Us.
That song may be the apex of rapmusic.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Like period, oh shit, holy shit, okay.
Like period, oh shit, okay.
I mean I, I, I've heard a lotabout how phenomenal it is, but
I was expecting you to say adiss track.
I mean not right, definitelythat.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
So, okay, right, that's the thing.
That's the thing.
He made a diss track that is sogoddamn good that even if you
took out the entire drake battleelement of this, it still
probably would have ended up anall-time great song like this
will be played in the clubs.
This will be played at thecookouts.

(03:56):
This will be played for yearsto come.
It will come on and people willwait for a moment where the
entire crowd can go a minor moreon that later.
This shit is crazy, okay.
So let me, let me, let me seeif I can like calm down enough
for a second to like actuallymake some kind of sense.
Okay, rap, in its in itsbeginning, it was all about

(04:24):
battles.
So then you have break dancingwith the.
In its beginning, it was allabout battles, so then you have
breakdancing with the battles.
It's always been.
Competition has always been ahumongous part.
So rap beefs, rap battles havebeen a thing forever.
I remember being a little kidit was a Friday night and
running upstairs, stoppingplaying before we usually did,

(04:44):
because, run from run, dmc wasgonna battle kumo d from the
treacherous three, like mostpeople just heard me say,
because nobody knows the fuckI'm talking about, because
that's how long so like this hasbeen since forever.
This, this brand of hip-hopwith two ms or two crews or
whatever just decide.

(05:05):
We are going to fucking have itout All right.
So I'll fast forward a littlebit.
We have, years ago, drake's bigstar.
Kendrick is not Drake takesKendrick on tour with him.
They're cool.
They do features on eachother's songs Blah, blah, blah

(05:27):
Drake.
I can't even think of a songnow because there's so much
flying through my head aboutthis.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
How long ago are we talking?

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Coach, this is like 10 to 15 years ago.
I don't want to say exactly, Ithink it's 13 years, but it's
somewhere in that this hasbrewed for a long time.
So Drake does this whole rhymewhere he names all these MCs of
that moment and he's basicallylike I got love for all of y'all

(05:53):
, but I'm coming for you.
Basically, he's like I will bethe king of the hill, but it's
in context.
It's presented to my ear aslike competition, like as if,
like Jordan and Barkley and allof them were sitting in a room
at one point in the 90s, likeyou know, like somebody might be

(06:13):
, like I'm going to be the king,but it wasn't like I fucking
hate you, I'm going to tellsomebody I can't.
It was just like but Drake tookit super personally and was
apparently the only one who didso.
That is the divergence.
Wait, wait, hold on.
A second, hold on, let meclarify.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Let me clarify this.
You said was it Drake thatlisted all the people that said
it?
No, kendrick did.
Did I say, drake, okay, got it.
Yeah, yeah, no.
Maybe I misheard.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
I very easily could have had to brush past this,
because this is insane.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
All right, so I promise the soliloquy will end
soon and we can actually havesomething of a conversation.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
We have no knowledge.
We're like, we're likeliterally jars of mayonnaise
listening to the soliloquy.
I have no, yeah, no, nothing ofimportance to, except except to
make sure everybody knows wholike jordan and barkley are.
Those are basketball players.
There you go for people who,yeah, but keep going so all
right.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
So all right.
So they, so they diverge thereand and I will grab as many
links as I can that haveexplanations and stuff and put
in the community, because I'mtelling you I've been paying so
much attention to this there iswork like for my business that
has gone completely ignored,because I'm just like, oh my god

(07:27):
, and I feel like I know nothing.
This morning I was discussingshit and I know, all right, let
me slow down.
So it's crazy.
So they're doing so.
For years now they've beendoing what, what in in hip-hop
they call like sublim, right, sothey'll say some smart shit in
a song and it's kind of like, ifyou know, you know and you

(07:49):
catch the barb.
But it wasn't full frontal,just right.
But everybody was aware theseguys don't love each other.
Now here's where I want to pauseand give this.
Well, this is why I called ithistoric and I'm like so serious
.
So I for years have said thatin the early 90s hip hop came to

(08:14):
a fork in the road.
I will, in a loose-ish way,call the public enemy path and
the other path I will looselycall the NWA path.
Now I want to pause here andsay I am not commenting on the

(08:34):
character of the actual humanbeings when I go where I'm going
right now.
I'm talking about essentiallywhat they represented in hip-hop
.
Okay, talking about essentiallywhat they represented in hip
hop, okay, so I will in.
In Western philosophy, youdidn't think that was going to
happen in this conversation.
Boom, you have Aristotle, right, talking about virtue, right.

(08:57):
And then you have a whole otherlike lane in philosophy and
Western philosophy, that's vice,right.
Like lane in phil and westernphilosophy, that's vice, right.
So you have like aspire to yourhighest ideals, and you have
fuck that shit, get the pleasure, get the power, whatever, like,
whatever.
Now, the public enemy path, themain, the core of hip-hop did

(09:21):
not go down that path, right,the core of hip-hop went the
other way and I I have receiptson this and I'm just started
thinking about first of all,this shit has been going on for
a week, so how dare any of youexpect me to be able to tell you
all of this?
But anyway, I'm trying.
So look, so you've got virtueand you've got vice.

(09:42):
Okay, I'm serious about thispart, and this part I've not
seen anywhere else.
This is very specific to CoachBishop, who sits around and
watches professors lecture onphilosophy in his free time.
So you have virtue and you havevice and hip hop chose vice and
in a certain way there's like athere's.
In my opinion there's been asort of like understanding we

(10:06):
respect virtue but we embracevice.
Right, that's the more fun shit, that's whatever.
You got Jay-Z Right, I soldfive million.
I mean, I ain't been rappingsince Common Sense.
I'm rapping like common sense,right, common sense.
But Common, the rapper who isvery much of that virtue side of

(10:29):
things, when he first came outhis name was Common Sense.
So when he says I ain't beenrapping like Common Sense, he's
doing a little wordplay to saylike, oh, I know what Common
does and I could do that, but Ireally like all the money I'm
making, so I'm not doing that.
Common can have that lane.
I'm going to be over here wherethe fucking money is, and

(10:51):
there's a ton of that throughouthip-hop.
So when you have Tupac andBiggie, they're both on that
vice road.
If you think about it, it's allmoney and bitches and whatever
Tupac references virtue.
He died.
He'll step over there from timeto time but he ultimately comes
back.
Now what did tupac go by?

(11:13):
As a, as a, an alter ego,macaveli, oh yeah, oh, but ole
don't know what the fuck he talkabout.
I'm trying to tell y'all, man, Ihave the perspective I may not
have kept up with all the musicall this time, but I'm telling
y'all I see this shit, it'svirtue and vice.

(11:34):
Now I'm going to say this part.
We can get into more detail Inthis argument.
This beef, the virtue isKendrick.
Again, I am not saying thatKendrick is a perfect person, I
don't know.
And Kendrick isn't saying thatKendrick is a perfect person.
Right, he had Mr Morale, which,I'll admit, I didn't really

(11:54):
listen to like that.
I think I heard a couple tracks.
It's on my list of like I gotto get to it.
But now all these I got to getto it shits all just moves to
the top of my list Like I'mlistening.
I'm going to be listening torap albums for the next month
and a half for sure.
So just to be like, what waseverybody saying all this time?
So, ok, so he's Virtue, right,and I think we all get that.

(12:14):
Like he had All Right, whichwas like the theme song of the
BLM, like I think we all he, hehas a fucking Pulitzer.
Like okay, yeah, right, drakeis a hundred percent vice.
It is.
Drake is cotton candy man.
There's no nutritional content,but the fucking songs hit.
He's always with the latestsound, everybody's dancing.

(12:39):
He even tell you that TootsieSlide, which gets reference on
one of the Kendrick, disses it'sall you, it's all a big party,
nothing matters.
I fuck all the girls.
He has rhymes about who hefucked and he fucked the friends
.
He sent them all back to publichousing.
He's like right Now, what?
So this is a classic, classicsetup in hip hop.

(13:02):
Even when Ice Cube put outDeath, out death certificate
when he left nwa, he had twosides to that album the life
side and the death side.
Like I've been thinking aboutthis for days now, I'm telling
you this shit is real virtueversus vice.
Okay, so we got virtue versusvice.
We've got kendrick versus Drake.

(13:24):
Okay, now Kendrick, they'regoing back and forth and one of
the criticisms, as the songs arebuilding up and I'll go through
the specific songs a little bitis yeah, kendrick's shit was
cool, but you can't really danceto it, which has been the
classic argument between the two.
It's like I had a professor infilm school who talked about

(13:47):
spinach pictures.
Everybody says, oh, we shouldmake movies, but he's like on
Friday night nobody wants aspinach picture.
That's why those movies don'twork.
So the virtue side has had somespinach music vibe to it, not
to say a lot of.
It hasn't been great, but likeit's not.

(14:07):
Those aren't the bangers, thosearen't those party songs.
What Kendrick did with they notlike us, which again I will say,
I've called my cousin.
He went crazy.
My cousin went crazy Cause heloves hip hop and he's even more
in like he can break down likelyrics and shit that people have
said that I'll be like oh, Imiss that.

(14:27):
And I told him I was like,listen to me, catch up now.
Like I was driving and I waslike, listen to me, I know
you're like oh, I don't want tofuck with this beef.
I'm like you have to fuck withthis beef.
You cannot.
You listen to me, listen to me.
I told him I was like you willnot be able to discuss hip hop
from here on out if you are notwell versed in this beef Like

(14:48):
you, just like.
It won't be possible.
You like nobody you know onecould listen to you.
You have to pay attention.
So what Kendrick did with thissong is and I know I'm jumping
around Is he took virtue?

(15:09):
Is he took virtue?
He took a song where he'ssaying you're, you're fucking
exploiting teenage girls andblah, blah, blah, you're
grooming.
You're this, you're that,you're a fucking culture vulture
.
He, he, he takes a half a verseto break down the economic
exploitation that went down infucking atlanta, like what has
happened, like that is asfucking virtue and spinach music
as you get.
And this motherfucker, thismotherfucker took virtue and

(15:41):
wrapped it in a Vice song.
That's why, when it first cameout, everybody was like oh my
God, it's a fucking club banger,because you can't do that.
That's not a thing.
That's not a thing.
You do not make a song whereyou're rapping about the

(16:03):
economic exploitation of Atlantaand how it connects to Drake's
behavior of swooping in andtaking the core of the culture
and making money off of it.
You don't get to break thatdown for a whole verse and make
an absolute fucking heater.
What the fuck?
And the levels to the oh my, mygod.

(16:26):
Then the lyrics and shit.
So anyway, that's the for me,that's the like big picture of
what we just saw.
Like kendrick basically, likealmost like a cartoon character
where you see the lightningcoming in and shit.
He basically was like it's notthat I rap, it's that I am rap.
It's not that I rap, it's notthat I know hip-hop, it's that I

(16:47):
am hip-hop.
He says at one point this isnot my opinion, I'm speaking for
the culture.
So he's telling Drake likelisten bro, I am the culture and
you are fucking out.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
I was like never.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
I've never seen any shit like this in my life.
I've never seen any shit likethis in my life.
I've never seen any shit likethis Jay-Z and Nas, biggie and
Pop I've never seen any shitlike this in my life, never.
It's crazy.
The lyrics, I mean, all right,just an example, and I know

(17:25):
Coach is like cracking up overit because he's just because I'm
telling you this blew my mind.
All right.
One example of a lyric In theyNot Like Us, he says trying to
strike a chord, and it'sprobably a minor.
Now, let me, because I know Ireferenced that earlier.
So let me, let me let me slowdown A minor.
Now, let me, cause I know Ireferenced that earlier, so let

(17:48):
me, let me let me slow down.
Okay, so trying to strike achord?
So he's big.
So we all know that phrasestrike a chord, right, okay,
great, so strike a chord.
In that you're trying to make apoint about me, but by saying
trying, he's like you're notquite making it because that
shit's not true.
Okay, so that's one meaning.
Then, of course, we're talkingmusic here.
So strike a chord.
That has another meaning.
So, oh wait, there's a doublemeaning and it's probably a

(18:11):
minor.
Oh, like the chord, the musicalchord, yes.
Or do you mean like the minors,that we are talking about Drake
Chasing A minor?
But guess what I learned thismorning he says A minor in A

(18:31):
minor.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
No, yes.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
And Wait, because I know you're like, oh my god,
that's brilliant, that's the topof the line, like there's no
way to go from there.
Au contraire, mon frere.
Au contraire, mon frere,because A minor has no black
keys in it, I'm done, shut up.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I'm out Shut up.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Hip hop just ended.
See y'all later, bye.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
I need everyone at home to understand.
We actually do keep our camerason, so there's a video feed
that we have when we arewatching.
Everybody do say all thebrilliant things and coach
Bishop has to, for technicalreasons, use his phone as the
camera.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
I don't think he's aware, but the camera is
automatically adding backgroundgraphics I just saw the last one
has been doing that the wholetime a little bit, yeah, yeah,
like sometimes when you're likeand then this thought is, and
then like a thought bubble popsout, when you hit that last one
it was fireworks and confetti.
Well, that is appropriate.
I mean it's yeah, like I'mtelling you I am going to study

(19:55):
this and I am going to writeabout this and I am going to
speak about this, Like this.
Yeah, I mean Like, wait, noLike no, like, like, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
There are no black keys.

Speaker 4 (20:10):
That's, that's well, and also one of the one of the
more, uh, surface level and Ithis is not me, I didn't come up
with any of this shit.
I know enough that I listenedto the songs, but I don't know
nothing else.
But, yes, it was all the thingsthat you were saying about how
he was trying to strike a chord,but it's a minor.

(20:31):
Yes, the underage, yes, thesongs, everything else.
But Kendrick was saying, like,whatever you're trying to do,
it's not going to be thatimportant.
It will be that you talk about,yes, yes, also that In this way
, I'm also going to flip that upon you, so that I am calling
you a pedophile and saying thatyou're a culture vulture, I mean
yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
There's a lot that line when he says you're not a
colleague, you're a fuckingcolonizer.
I spit out my colleague.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I know, I know that one, that one I, I like, I my
inside listen, they not like usis is crippling in and of itself
.
And if the fact that there'sthis overtone of of who's like
legit, like actually, actually,and also culturally like like I

(21:26):
am, the you saying I am not like, I'm not, I'm not you know of
hip hop, or I'm not like what Iam, I am the manifestation of
this art form, yeah, and whatdoes that make the other guy
who's against it?
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
So if you say they not like us and I'm the culture
you are not Like, you are out, Imean, I didn't know you could
do that.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
I need to jump in very quickly and say that, yes,
this is all extremely brilliant.
But yes, this is all extremelybrilliant.
I don't want to take away fromeverything that went down with
it, especially because Meet theGrams.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Is savage is not a strong enough word.
It is unbelievable.
The first line is dear Adonis,who is Drake's son that he
refused to acknowledge for along time.
Dear Adonis, I'm sorry that manis your father and just that is
like.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
First of all that shit is.
I mean ouch Like god damn Okay.
So let me put some furthercontext on this.
Thank you for bringing up Meetthe Gramps when I tell you that
we could Explain what Meet theGramps.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Okay, so I for bringing up meet the grams, like
I'm when I tell you that wecould like explain what meet the
gram guys.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
Okay, so I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry
okay, so all right, let's look,because I'm too, I'm too hyped.
All right, so there's a seriesof songs.
Part of what happened here ispart of what's unprecedented and
insane about this is this hadsimmered, simmered for all these
years, and then over the lastfew weeks, and more specifically

(23:09):
over the past weekend, therewas a barrage of diss tracks
that were like heavyweight, justhaymakers, like a flurry of
activity.
For those of you, I've heardgreat comparisons.
I've heard that it would belike if, um, oh girl, jk Rowling

(23:37):
.
It'd be like if JK Rowling justdecided to like write a whole
fucking book about hating DanBrown.
It's like Nadal and federer,just like deciding like we gonna
play to the death, like it's.
Like.
It's just, you don't see thisand you certainly don't see it
over a fucking weekend no, youdon't see it like this quickly.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
I mean it like churning out it was and that was
part of the material, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (24:01):
So all right, so meet the great, so so let me see if
I can go through the sequencecan you start?

Speaker 2 (24:07):
can you just like go like how did it start?
Yes, so how did it start?
Who shot?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
first.
So there's like that, okay, solet me go, let me go back.
There's so many fucking things,all right.
So like that, hold on, I'mgoogling in real time because
I'm like, oh yeah, we gotta talkabout like that, all right.
So like that is a song by anart, by basically a producer
named metro booman, who's fromatlanta, right, and he and he

(24:34):
and uh, uh aubrey no, drake,don't fuck with each other.
Like aubrey is drake's uhgovernment name, for those of
you didn't know that.
So, um, so they don't fuck witheach other.
So there's already.
There was already a vibe oflike for future who also, they
don't fuck with each other.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
It means what they don't get.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
Oh so they don't, they don't get along, they, they
, they don't like each other,right, thank you.
So the so future kendrick lamar, metro boomer making a song.
It's like three people whopretty clearly are not fans,
right?
So this came out, I want to say, like about a month ago, a
couple of weeks ago, a few weeksago, and Kendrick's whole rhyme

(25:17):
is pretty clearly aimed atDrake.
So let me see if I can get tothis fast you said metro, boomin
, metro from atlanta will be.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Yeah, who is from?

Speaker 3 (25:29):
atlanta.
He will be significant in amoment like for another reason
kendrick, kendrick and thenfuture, future who?
some of you will know, as thethe uh biological father of
Sierra's child, sierra, who isnow married to Russell Wilson.
That's a whole other set ofissues.

(25:50):
Let me see if I can find thisreal fast.
Oh okay.
So I'm going to read theselyrics.
I'm going to go ahead and justhave a disclaimer here, coach.
I don't know if we're going tohave to do some beeping and
stuff later, but it isimpossible to tell a story
without the word nigga.
So I'm just going to go aheadand just have a disclaimer here,
coach.
I don't know if we're going tohave to do some beeping and
stuff later, but it isimpossible to tell a story
without the word nigga.
So I'm just going to go aheadand just admit that that has to
be told.
It's just, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
I just died, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
I knew I needed to warn you Cause here, no problem,
yep, these niggas talking out,they necks Don't pull no coffin
out of your mouth.
So basically, don't getyourself killed talking shit,
which I'm like.
Okay, we're there immediately.
I'm way too paranoid for athreat.

(26:35):
Later in the rhyme, he says themoney power respect, which is a
classic hip hop line.
There's a song money powerrespect.
That's like the ethos of thevice path Money Power Respect.
And he says the last one isbetter.
Actually we should be talkingvirtue.

(26:57):
Guys Say it's a lot of goofieswith a check.
In other words, all thatmotherfucking money you making
don't make you real.
All that motherfucking moneymaking don't make you a big deal
.
I don't give a fuck about that,you don't get my respect.
And then this is the line I gotto find this shit.
Where's the canine shit?
Because that's the shit thathad me like I don't know what to
do with this guy.
All right, here we go, he says.

(27:27):
So he starts out with I'msnatching chains and burning
tattoos, so snatching chains.
The significance of that islike throughout hip-hop, like
people have worn their jewelryand part of it is you might get
robbed.
So like I grew up in new yorkwhere chains got snatched like
you had to think about.
So part of wearing a chain isand I pulled right out I I was
just going to say coach youcan't see it, but he just pulled
his gold chain out of hishoodie.

(27:49):
For real, and so part of wearingthis chain like even right now,
as me as a 51-year-old graybeard when I walk around with
this chain on there is a threadof that.
That is ain't nobody snatchingmy motherfucking chain I will
wear my chain.
I can walk here with my chainon, like you're making a
declaration of who you are.

(28:09):
Like.
You ain't gonna rob me, bro.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Like what is the significance of chains like I've
seen it on the nfl playingfield?
Oh, like when people like atotal disrespect.
That is because I'm saying thatyou're.

Speaker 3 (28:20):
You're a punk baby.
I will take your fucking chainlike that's you think about it
all.
Right now we get into the AFAMside of this.
Black people have been deniedso much in terms of wealth and
property and the ability to ownand possess right that if you
have some shit, that's adeclaration and that's part of

(28:40):
the whole vice line Right.
Like it started out when I wasa kid, guys were rhyming about
driving Pathfinders and shit,like people were, and then, like
before long, like it wasBentleys and then it was Maybach
, like it was like shit thatlike rich motherfuckers don't
buy.
You know, I'm like it was justcrazy and so there's a whole

(29:06):
thing about that.
So if I so the one, you cannothave somebody sit like rob you,
like that's like okay, you're.
I hate to say it like this, butin context, you're nothing like
you.
You just you're irrelevant.
You're punk.
If you are robbed, yeah, if youare robbed, if you are able to
be robbed, that's right.
I was in.
I was in mexico for I'm.
This is a true story.
I was mexico for a destinationwedding, right.
So, true story, I was in mexicofor a destination wedding,
right.
So we're walking around, blah,blah.

(29:28):
We see this dude and he's got aknot in his back pocket, like
I'm talking about a wad of money.
I'm like, god damn like.
From a distance I noticed itand other people noticed there's
a dude walking around with afucking knot in his back pockets
.
I'm like you what?
And then I turned to this dude.
We were both laughing, we bothlooked at each other and I

(29:48):
laughed and I was like that's abad motherfucker right there and
he started laughing and thereason I said it was that's a
message.
That's a message.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
I don't hide my money .

Speaker 3 (30:02):
I don't protect my money.
I motherfucking wish you wouldcome over here and try to take
this money.
He was like oh, I was like,dude, I wouldn't recommend
anybody try to take that fuckingknife.
That is not.
I would not do that, I wouldnot advise.
So when he started my snatchingchains, he's basically saying

(30:23):
I'm going to snatch your chain.
I'm the bad motherfucker here,you're not okay.
All right, so now this was thepart that had me just like out
of my mind.
So he, where's the three?
This is.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
You're continuing to read lyrics from the song.
What was this?

Speaker 3 (30:37):
this is like that so like that, and this is about a
month ago, yeah, about a monthago this dropped, so let me see
if I can this is future metrobooman and kendrick, but when
you say he, you're generallyreferring to metro booman
doesn't.
He doesn't say, he just no he'sthe, he's the producer on it,
but the but future, and uh, theydo like the rhyming oh, so
here's the line here's the linethat just made me go all right.

(30:59):
Um, this guy is just or a linebecause he just hit us with like
50 of them in like three days,all right.
So he's talking about he saysit's lost too many soldiers not
to play a safe.
So basically, I don't play youtalking violent shit.
I've actually buried peoplelike I don't play games talking
about shit like that.

(31:19):
If you walk around with thatstick it ain't Andre 3K.
So he's basically like I'm notplaying with you, it's going to
go down.
Think I won't drop the location.
I still got PTSD.
Motherfuck the big three.
Now there was a whole thing ofKendrick Drake and J Cole as
this the big three of hip hopright now, and that was the

(31:39):
whole thing.
He says motherfucker the bigthree, nigga, it's just big me
thing.
He says mother, fuck the bigthree, nigga, it's just big me.
So he's just like I'm the king,fuck you motherfuckers.
Like no more big three, I'm notentertaining this conversation
anymore.
I'm the king of hip-hop.
So then he goes nigga bum, what?
Now?
The bum is a gunshot.
That's what that represents.

(32:01):
I'm really like that.
And then somebody says he wasonce a thug.
He was, and your best work is alight pack, so he's really
playing with him now.
And then what does that mean?
He's basically like you, you'relike, your pack is like, you're
basically like yeah, you ain'tpacking.
You ain't doing shit, yeah, likeyou know.
Like when LL said, like how yougonna go against an army with a

(32:24):
handgun, you know what I'msaying Like it's like you can't
do it.
Then Drake had been making alot of Michael Jackson
references.
Kendrick now says, nigga,prince, outlive Mike Jack, right
, so right.
Like he's like all culturalbeefs, like we can reference any
cultural beef, like the PrinceMichael Jackson reference could

(32:45):
even be the beef.
So you want to be MichaelJackson?
Fuck it, I'm Prince in thisanalogy.
And then he says, nigga, boom,for all your dogs getting buried
.
So basically he's like we willkill your whole crew.
Then he says that's a K withall these nines.
So a K, right, kendrick, withall these nines, nine millimeter

(33:11):
right Guns, right.
So a K with all these nines.
He gonna see Pet Sematary, socanines.
So he says it's a K with allthese nines guns, but that's
also canines, so he gonna seePet Sematary.
I was like what, what, what?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Dude, that John Travolta gif where you're
looking around.
Yeah, I was like what?

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Like what, and this is a month ago, like so, so
anyway, they put out this songlike that.
There's so much more, but theyput out the song like that and
everybody.
So the next one, and I gottagive drake credit.
I will say this he got fuckingsmoked, it's true, so I'm not
gonna lie, but he actually hadsome great songs in here.

(34:04):
Like when I talked to my cousinabout this because he was like
what?
Like he was like are youserious?
Like because I was like dude,you got to like listen to me,
you got to go listen to all thisshit right now.
Right, and he's like, really,are you serious?
I said, and here's the thingDrake is not on because you know
he had his song.
You know, like all that stuffis like you know that's the

(34:27):
cotton candy shit.
But I was like he's not comingwith that Kiki shit.
Like he's really rhyming.
My cousin's like what?
So he has push ups, he has likehe's like bringing out songs
and he's calling them out andthen, after he's called them out
, and he has some really goodrhymes of his own, like I said,
we could spend a semester on it.

(34:47):
He basically drops his.
But Kendrick is notorious.
This is what I told my son waslike this is where we run into
the absolute genius of this.
So Kendrick is notoriously slowin terms of churning out music.
It's a thing, right?
So his fans are always likewhere is he, where is he, where

(35:08):
is he, where is he?
But he always comes with heat,but he's not one to just rip off
songs, right?

Speaker 4 (35:14):
I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
So I don't want to get too bogged down because I'm
going to forget the exact order.
But Drake drops some shit andthen Kendrick drops Euphoria,
which is a whole other, becauseDrake is an exec producer on
Euphoria and Euphoria has a lotof sexualized teen content, so

(35:40):
it's like calling it Euphoria.
So they're going back and forth, back and forth.
So after you talk about theshow, yeah, yeah got it okay.
Yeah, so after that on fridaynight no, maybe it was saturday
morning drake drops familymatters and it is a heater and

(36:05):
he goes after Kendrick and the V.
He has a video for it and inthe video they're like towing
this van.
That looks like the van thatwas on Kendrick's first album
and they tow it and they crushit Like it's like he actually
handled his business,unfortunately for him.
And this is where I told my sonI was like this is where

(36:30):
Kendrick was on some Sun Tzushit.
Like I was like what the fuck?
Kendrick drops his response 20minutes later, like the internet
had not fully gotten to familymatters before.
Everybody was talking about Meetthe Grahams and Drake's last

(36:54):
name is Graham and in Meet theGrahams and Boss brought it up.
He starts the song byaddressing the man's son, my son
and I because so, oh, let mepaint this picture for you.
So it's Saturday morning and Icome, my son comes, bounding up
the steps.
He's like all right, I was likeI was listening what's

(37:16):
happening?
Because I hadn't heard thesongs yet.
Like I just saw everybody wasgoing crazy.
So I'm like what?
And he starts.
So he's starting to tell me.
I'm like all right, he startsplaying Meet the Grahams and the

(37:40):
minute he starts out addressingthe son, alex and I turn to
each other like oh my God, thatshit is so disrespectful.
Like he's sunning you To sun.
Somebody is like to pat,essentially emotionally to pat
somebody on their head, like I'msunning you so to sun.
Somebody is like to pat,essentially emotionally to pat
somebody on their head like I'msunning you.
He's sun drake so hard that hewas like you know what, I'll
just be your son's dad.
Like your son needs a dad, letme, let me be so.
It's so fucking disrespectful.
Go ahead, boy, go ahead it it's.

Speaker 4 (38:04):
I was listening, I was trying to prepare, I was
trying to study for this to makesure that I was as alpha's uh,
middle-aged white woman can be,and there was a line in there
where he's still addressingadonis the child, saying, uh, I
wish your grandfather wore acondom and I, I like, I was

(38:25):
shocked, but then also the laughthat escaped me, like he like
he he is telling this kid itwould have been better if both
you and your father had neverbeen born if we just could just
wipe it all away yeah, we'rejust he.
He says to drake's father dennDennis, you raised a terrible

(38:46):
human being.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, something.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
I should look up the exact line, but yeah he's
talking to Sandra, who isDrake's mom, and he's like your
son sucks, your son is thefucking worst.
It's wild.
I didn't know any of thisbackground.
I just knew that there's a lineabout how I will uh, say shit
to you that will make yourcomputer cry, and that was what

(39:11):
this was like.
There must drake's computermust have started crying when he
had to listen to it.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
He methodically, he basically writes letters to each
of these people.
Each verse is a letter to amember of Drake's family, like
breaking it down, the last ofwhich is to an alleged
11-year-old daughter who no oneknew about.

(39:36):
So, if this shit is true, notonly has he created this
absolute evisceration of a song,but he ends it by spilling
tremendous tea that this guy,who has already been busted for
hiding one child, is, he'ssaying, actually hiding yet

(39:59):
another child who is even olderthan the first child we knew
about.
So you're such a horriblefucking father that even after
you were exposed for being ahorrible father, you continued
to be a horrible father.
So this is like the context.
Again, though I think it'sreally important in the broader
conversation of this is that theactual debate here, I think

(40:24):
matters a lot and I think playsinto the whole virtue vice thing
that I see over all of this,because I was watching the Daily
Show, so I don't want to sayI'm the only one thinking this
part, but Josh Johnson did apiece on this beef and he
pointed out sorry, he pointedout that the argument is like yo

(40:45):
, you're a pedophile, yo, you'rea wife beater Like.
The argument is you're a badman, no, you're a bad man, which
is a new argument, kind of inhip hop, and I think that is
significant and that's part ofwhy, when I reached out to y'all
about this and said, no,actually, actually, I think it
fits into what we've all beentalking about wait a second.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Why is that?
Is it?
Because it used to be.
I'm a bad man.
Well, yeah, surely, or yeah, itwasn't the, the, the, the.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
The apex of to me, what I see is the apex of
manhood at the end of the viceroad is not being a good father
or anything like that.
It's partying and all the womenin the world and all the money
in the world and all the thingsin the world and materialism and
whatever.
Not making sure your son isproperly taught.

(41:37):
And you know, in another verse,you know, kendrick goes into a
whole thing about like teachinghim how to pray.
You don't know about that.
He's telling him.
You don't know about being afather.
I am busy being a father, sothat's why you don't hear from
me for a long time, but youdon't know about being a father,
so that's why you're confusedas to what is going on.

(42:01):
I'm going to take a sidestephere on, and I think so.
I'm going to take a sidestephere.
I'm of the opinion, societallybeyond Drake and Kendrick, and I
think it plays into Juliana'spoint about why we love Ted
Lasso, and I think it plays intoin the United States, I think
it plays into the choice betweenBiden and Trump in 2020 and

(42:23):
again in 2024.
I'm really serious about this,about which way are we going to
go as men and, in a way, whatdoes that mean?
For which way are we going togo societally?
And I think, for those of uswho are like, yeah, no, we
should be good fathers Like theNick Cannon model no, that's

(42:44):
what I'm hearing from Drake.
I'm hearing from Drake, theNick Cannon model.
It's not cute, it's not funnyand it's not fucking okay.
And that's in many ways.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
What does that mean?
Oh, I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (42:54):
Nick Cannon notoriously has like a ton of
kids with just a slew of womenand his defense, or whatever, is
like oh well, I give money.
Basically, I support them, butto me, more and more people are
going no, we're going to needmen to be better than that, and

(43:17):
I think that the fact that allof this comes through on the
heels of man versus bear Look, Idon't think any of this is
planned, but I think and this issomething I wrote to a friend
of mine Kendrick didn't piercethe zeitgeist.
He held it in his hand, put itin his mouth and spit it at us
and I was like god damn, I mean,he's got it all in there.

(43:42):
It's the culture, it's.
I mean.
I was like so anyway, all right, so back to back, back back to
the piece with Meet the GramsFor him.
Like you don't at one point.
This is an old story, wouldn'teven have been told on here, I
don't think.
But this guy like, saw my wifeat a dance studio that all our

(44:11):
kids were in.
Saw my wife leave my son in acar.
My all our kids were in.
Saw my wife leave my son in acar.
My son was like 13.
He was not like an infant.
This guy called the police,though.
Yeah.
It was like a whole and at thetime actually funny enough 13
months, no years Exactly.
Exactly At the time, funnyenough, I atlanta directing a

(44:34):
movie so I couldn't luckily,actually, I think I wasn't
nearby because I would have been.
I and I was.
I was angry enough that I tolda guy become really good friends
with on set, like one of theactors ever, and we we had
established that we had similarupbringings.
And I told him what happenedand he looked at me and I was
like, oh, I'm gonna deal with itwhen I get home and he was like

(44:56):
okay.
I was like, oh, don't you worry, like this one, I will put this
one in my back pocket.
That will be addressed.
So when I came back around, Isaw the guy and I was like yo,
we gotta talk, man, you need tomind your motherfucking business
.
You don't call cops on blackpeople.
He started talking, slick to meand he said something to Daphne.

(45:16):
Like you know, she shouldn't beleaving.
I said hey, listen to me, youtalk to me.
You don't talk to her.
Don't talk to her again.
You understand.
We started talking some more,going back and forth.
He turned to her again.
I said what did I justmotherfucking tell you?
Didn't I just motherfuckingtell you you don't talk to her.
I said don't listen, man.
I'm not going to tell you thatshit again.

(45:36):
Do not address her again.
You never speak to her.
I said if the building on firelet her burn, don't ever fucking
talk to her again.
Holy shit, right.
So like you don't talk.
Like for him to get on a songand for six minutes, be like I'm
going to go through yourchildren and your parents and

(45:58):
just fucking demolish.
It's so disrespectful.
And he did it not on a bouncytrack or an aggressive track.
It's almost like talking.
It's really like.
Alright, jokes aside, guys, Ireally, uh, I really need to
talk to you, aubrey.
You're a piece of shit and uh,everything you're about is
bullshit.
But it was like wait what?

(46:20):
And you have children you don'ttake care of, and your mother
must be so ashamed and yourfather must be too, and he's
kind of a piece of shit too.
If we're all honest with us,like what the fuck is this all
right, so he drops that,everybody's like god damn.
But then, when we're all like,what's Drake gonna say?

(46:40):
No one will ever know, becausethat's when they not like us
dropped.
And it was like how long?
after that, hours it wasn't longhours, yeah, like hours, like
hours.
I'm telling like it was crazybecause I know it was within the

(47:01):
day because alex's birthday wasthe next day.
Alex is my son, so alex'sbirthday was next day.
So I know the morning he cameup and we talked and by the
evening he went to dinner withhis buddies and they were
hanging out and I wentdownstairs to mess with him
because they, not like us, hadcome out and this will be a

(47:21):
transition to talk about thatsong.
And I was messing with himbecause I make beats and stuff,
just messing around.
He makes beats he's way aheadof me, like he's got all kinds
of software and he's way likehe's very, he's, he's excellent,
I'm fucking around and um, so Icome downstairs.
Like real serious, when theywere little kids I used to I
made, like when they were liketwo, three, four, each year for

(47:44):
their birthday we made cds asone of the giveaways like the
you know give.
People came to the party and Imade songs for them a couple of
those years, like I actuallymade rap songs, like for my kids
, right, so a little cute littlething we would put.
At the end we still have a.
Oh, yeah, yeah you would yeah,of course, coach.
So we, you know, we've you know.
So it was just like a fun thing.
So I come downstairs, like youunderstand, the next day he's

(48:06):
turning 19.
These are his buddies.
Knows I'm, I'm fucking aroundand I go hey guys, you know, I,
um, I know some of you aroundthen some of you weren't, but,
like when alex and maya werelittle, I would uh make them a
song.
And you know, I've just beenfeeling so wild that, like you

(48:26):
know, you guys are getting older, or whatever.
I decided to make a song forhim and he comes out of his room
because he wasn't in the roomhe was like he comes out of his
room absolutely panic strickenand I'm like he's like, wait,
what you're like, are youserious?
and I'm like, yeah, you know, Ilike I just you know.
It's like about how much I loveyou and blah, blah.
And he's looking at me like, ohmy god, no, no, no, no, no, no,

(48:48):
no, no, no.
And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm likelike hold on, like you guys
will hear it, and then I'll go,like you guys can hang out.
I just want to play the songabout how much I love you for
everybody.
It's like you can.
He's like oh my God, please donot.
And I press play and it's I seedead people, right, which is

(49:09):
the beginning of they Not LikeUs.
His or Not Right, which is thebeginning of they not like us.
His not like us.
His buddies fall out.
He laughs and like walks awaylike he fucking jerk.
But the song had been out forhours and all anybody in that

(49:29):
room had to hear was I see deadpeople and everybody was in on
the joke, like no one needed,like what's that?
That like the song had been outfor hours and it was like it's
universally known.
Okay, there's so much here,folks, I'm like racing right now
.
So let's talk.
I want to walk through, talkabout our deep dive podcast.

(49:50):
Right, I want to walk throughto some degree.
The lyrics did they not like us?
Because the lyricism, thewordplay, the levels, like the
man I don't use the word geniusa lot intentionally, because I

(50:10):
think it's totally abused andridiculous and what this man is,
a fucking genius.
Like I didn't even understand.
Like I thought I understood,like oh, he's got a pulitzer I
listen to damn.
By the way, for those of youwho are curious at home how
brilliant this man is damn, youcan play the tracks forward and

(50:32):
backward and the story makessense.
I don't know if everybody knowsthat.
So if you go through his albumDamn and you play the songs
forward, it tells a certainstory.
If you play the songs inreverse order, it tells a story
and both stories work.
That's a fact.
And I did it because I was likebullshit and I took, I made a

(50:55):
playlist and I just reversed thesongs and I was like I will be
motherfucking damned this guy,so that and that's where he was
before and I think he hasoutdone himself this time.
It clips that.
Yeah, yeah, okay, right.
So first of all, I'm.
When I first heard the song bymyself, I hear I see dead people

(51:16):
.
Immediately I'm like oh my god.
I put I like I literally youcan't see me uh, buttercups.
But I immediately put my handsover my mouth like like, uh,
like, uh, like, uh, like, uh.
I don't know what to even callit, but like your mom, aghast at
the thing you just said infront of company, like I was
like oh right, Like this is howwe're starting, like he's

(51:38):
basically saying I'm going tomurder you.
Now he's announcing I'm your,your dead man, walking OK.

Speaker 4 (51:47):
As in the immortal words of Liz Lemon oh, you start
with that.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Yeah, exactly Exactly Like if you start with that.
Yeah, exactly exactly like ifyou start with icw, like holy
shit, like what is about tohappen.
So the beat starts and it is.
This beat is fire, right, likeimmediately I'm like bopping my
head and I'm like god damn,mustard on the beat.
Ho, I'm like, oh my god, hewent and got dj muscle.
I don't even know that much Ihad to go, but DJ Mustard is

(52:12):
like he's so West Coast and he'sso whatever To go get him for
this.
He's basically announcing Iwent to make a banger, check
this out.
So A Mustard on the beat.
Ho, debo, any rap, nigga, he afree throw.

(52:34):
So let me break that one down.
Mustard on the beat.
I just told you that debo is acharacter from the movie friday
who is like the big bully that'szeus.
If, for those of you know theactor, like he's the dude who
hits a dude that makes christucker go you got knocked the
fuck out, right.
So that's debo.
So if you say you're gonna debosomebody, okay, he called.
Then he calls drake a freethrow, which is like goddamn,
like not even a.
Say you're going to de-bowsomebody, okay.
Then he calls Drake a freethrow, which is like goddamn,

(52:56):
not even a layup, you're a freethrow.
Man down, call an ambulance,tell him breathe, bro, I'm going
to hit this motherfucker sohard, try to keep him alive.
Nail a nigga to the cross.
He walk around like Tizo, whichI didn't even know.
Tizo, apparently Tizo's thisguy who has nails and whatever.
So Tizo, which I didn't evenknow.
Tizo Apparently Tizo is thisguy who has like nails and
whatever.
So I'm like he's now.
He's just having a good time.
What's up with these jabroniass niggas trying to see Compton

(53:18):
?
Drake made a video in Comptonand in a way, like you got like
when you, there's a whole thingabout where you can be and where
you can walk Like.
So when I was a kid, this is areal thing that became a
cultural thing more broadly inthe music when I was a kid.
I grew up in Flatbush, as I'vesaid, I grew up in Brooklyn, but

(53:41):
there were places where I waslike fuck, I had to look fucking
.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
Brownsville.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Oh man, some shit could happen to me in
Brownsville.
You know what I mean?
I'm not from over there, goddamn.
And I had a friend who lived inBed-Stuy.
She's the one who told me oh no, you met Biggie.
I met Biggie at some point.
He wasn't Biggie yet, but whenI used to go to their block I
had it in my back pocket that ifsomebody said something to me,

(54:08):
I could immediately say that herbig sister, who was in with all
that.
I could say, oh, I'm going tosee Denise, and that was not
even my friend, that's her bigsister, just so it would be like
don't rob me, don't whoop myass, I'm allowed to be here, I
have permission to be on thisblock and I was aware I might

(54:30):
have to say that shit.
I didn't have to say it ever,but it was a possibility and
they gave me that Like oh, bythe way, before I came over the
first time that passcode.
Right.
If anybody says anything to you, tell them you're going to see
Denise, so it's like that.
So when somebody says, like Icould walk in your town, like
they're kind of flexing, likethey're like of flexing, like

(54:54):
they're like I can come and goas I motherfucking please, right
, so that's kind of what drakeby being in compton and acting
the way he is toward kendrick,who's from compton, there's some
disrespect there, like there'sa little.
You know, he's definitely likeflaunting his face, like I walk
in your town with no problem,right where is um?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
where is drake from?

Speaker 3 (55:11):
drake is is from Toronto, which is also
significant.
What part?

Speaker 2 (55:17):
of it.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
There is a hip hop scene in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
But it sure as fuck ain't Compton like it's not.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
They're equivalent, they're thought of as like
equally hard.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
It's not Mayberry, but it's not.
It is not fucking Compton,right, All right.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
So Drake is from Toronto.
I mean, I'm sorry, toronto,that's fucking hilarious.
Toronto, brooklyn, yeah,toronto.

Speaker 3 (55:42):
But listen again, but even the Toronto, like he even
is like.
First of all, let me just saythis Right, now.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
Not Like Us is the number one song in Toronto.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
So I'm like Drake go away for a while, like just this
is horrible.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
This is terrible.
This is not an indictment ofour Canadian friends.
No, no, no, no.
I'm just saying like, in thecontext, of a rap conversation.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
Compton is Compton.
I mean like it's Compton.
I mean you know like it's, youknow it's the epicenter of the
West Coast.
I mean yeah, there's very fewareas that could even bother
being a conversation withCompton like that.
So anyway, they go on.
The industry can hate me, fuckthem all and they mama.
So at this point he's like ifyou line up with Drake, you can

(56:27):
get somebody to smoke too.
Then he says how many ops youreally got?
So an op basically is like anagent, right.
It's like you're not like howmany fake motherfuckers are in
your crew is the question.
And he says I mean it's toomany options.
So he does the wordplay of opsand options and he's like you

(56:47):
are surrounded by ops, likenobody in your crew really fucks
with you, like nobody in yourcrew really fucks with you.
And then he says I'm a fit, I'mfinna.
Pass on this body.
I'm john stockton.
John stockton is the nba assistleader of all time.
So he says I'm passing on thisbody.
He's pat.

(57:07):
Oh my god, he's killing drake'sbody.
He he's also moving pastDrake's body and he's bodying to
body somebody basically likeyou killed them, right.
So he's body in the whole crewand he's passing on them.
So John Stockton, the assistleader.
But somebody pointed outStockton is a place in

(57:31):
California.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:34):
What the fuck yo?
What is happening?
How does your brain do this?

Speaker 2 (57:45):
What percentage of these references are intentional
?

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Well, that's a question, right, that is a
question that is coming up right, and here's my take on it,
because a lot of people aresaying People interpreting they
have the time to think and makeconnections Right.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
It's like no different than the white version
of obsessive rap, which is Gameof Thrones, where people just
take and be like I know, if youlook deep enough, hurt she might
have been the cousin of thisand you're like, uh-huh, okay,
that's not, but here's my no,you're.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
You're a hundred percent.
And I'm sure that there arepieces of this that people are
bringing out that like, excuseme, it's not gonna.
You know he didn't intend, buthere's.
Here's where I land on that.
On some level, doesn't thatunderscore his genius?
Yes, you know what I'm saying.
Like if he wrote this and hemeant half of the entendres and

(58:42):
and we are able to connect allthese other dots, like what's
your brain do?
Like how, like you, just youjust happen to pick the NBA
assist leader whose last name isalso a city in California when
you are claiming your territoryin a song.
Like if your brain did that bymistake, holy fucking shit.

(59:05):
Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, there's a difference between doing
something consciously and doingsomething intentionally Like
even if he wasn't undersureabout the connection that he was
making.
There's some part of him thatwas like yeah, this will work.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
These lyrics work.
So I'll jump down, becauseliterally every line I'm like oh
my God, so we go a littlefurther.
He calls himself Certifiedboogeyman.
And then the certified matters,because um drake calls himself
certified love a boy.

(59:41):
So that certified, thiscertified.
That is going to come up later.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
I I also do that different exactly who did among
us has it right.
It's like what are you talkingabout, Boss?
I don't want you to think of meas also certified.

Speaker 4 (59:57):
I will not.
I don't want you to say thatword at me right now.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Certified lover boy Next time.
Yeah, anybody yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
So we go, we go.
Now, here we go.
Say Drake, I hear you like them, young, you better not ever go
to cell block one.
Now I don't know if everybodyknows, but certainly an american
prison system is a known thingthat if what you're in there for
is taking advantage of a minor,it's not going to be a very

(01:00:30):
pleasant stay for you inside,right.
So like, so, like he'sbasically like not only am I
calling you a pedophile, but I'mletting you know, like if they
ever get ahold of you, you're introuble.
So then he says to any bitchthat talked to him and they, in
love, just make sure you hideyour little sister from them.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Like come on man.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Damn Right, so he.
So he lays that down.
He's like you are a straight uppedophile, groomer.
We all know about you sendingprivate messages to underage
girls.
Very nice of you to be so sweetto a 14 year old.
You fucking creep.
He goes through his whole crewinsulting them Half of these

(01:01:12):
names.
He goes through his whole crewinsulting them Half of these
names.
I had no idea.
I'm asking.
By the way, I will share this.
Even at one point he referencesZah In context.
I was like it's a drugreference, but I'm not in the
street, I don't know what Zah is, I'm not sure.
And I texted.
So I had to text my own sonfind out what's going on in

(01:01:33):
these streets.
And I was like Zai equals weed.
And he wrote me back with likea laughing emoji.
He was like yes, Zai equalsweed.
I'm like, oh, poor dad.
So so there's all thesereferences, but like we're,
we're, we're, we're learning allthis stuff now.
But then he gets the end ofthis whole verse about the crew

(01:01:57):
and he says certified lover boy,certified pedophiles, and off
that he just goes.
Fuck him up.
Like he's like I am whoopingyour ass and I'm gonna give the
sound effects of the asswhooping.
I am in the process of killingyou like what is what?
i'ma fuck him up, wop, wop, wop,wop, wop, i'ma do my stuff.
Then he says why are youtrolling like a?

(01:02:18):
Okay, now, there's built-inmisogyny here.
I'm not arguing that thereisn't, so I'm just gonna like
call that out.
It's part of like this is sobeyond any polite conversation
that okay, oh good, built-inmisogyny I get, I know, and I'm
not not paying attention to it,and we can definitely come back
and address it because it'sfucked up.
Why you trolling like a bitch?

(01:02:38):
Ain't you tired trying tostrike a chord and it's probably
a minor?
And then he holds a minor forlike two full bars.
Like no one will ever forgetthat line and people will say it
, lines like that in hip-hop theDJ kills the sound and the

(01:02:59):
crowd yells it and for the restof time that will be yelled.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
If I could step in very quickly and do a white
people translate thing.
This is when you shout, sweetCaroline.

Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
Yes, that's what this will be 100% perfect.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
I was going to say get laid, get fucked, but yeah,
no, that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
That's funny.
So then the chorus they notlike us.
This is part of what I think isamazing about this, one of the
things I think is amazing aboutthis song, part of what I think
is amazing about this.
One of the things I think isamazing about this song beef has
has often become territorial.
Most people who are aware of rapat all would know about east
coast, west coast with biggieand tupac, but like it tends to

(01:03:44):
be, re like regions, have youknow, becomes like you know, you
rep your region.
What I think kendrick did hereis he says first of all, I have
a real region.
I don't go to Atlanta and soundlike the Atlanta dudes and then
go to Houston, sound like theHouston dudes.
I'm California, I'm LA, I'mCompton, everybody knows it.

(01:04:08):
This song is dripping with WestCoast.
This song smells like thepacific ocean, like it's
unbelievable.
This is so fucking west coast.
But then he basically he and he,he broadens it and he basically
says actually, the culture ismy region, it's all mine, I'm

(01:04:28):
claiming all the land and youhave to go.
And so they not like us is like, oh shit.
And the minute he said it Irealized he's cutting Drake off
from the culture.
And there's a biggie line.
This is when other rap lyricsare coming to me.

(01:04:49):
You thought I was fuckingaround before I'm telling you
this shit is deep.
There's a Biggie line wherehe's in the what that he did
with Method man and he says Imake it hot.
Niggas won't even stand next toyou, and that's basically what
Kendrick did with this song.
So we go in now.
Now, one of the things he'sexcommunicating it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
He's excommunicating it 100%, but from the rap
culture and black culture.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
I would say, to some degree that's what he's going
for.
He is going for the absolutekill shot here culturally.
So one of the things that Drakedid it's a high stakes game, so
it was a high stakes move.
It ended up blowing up in hisface His song Family Matters, he
matters.
He uses ai voiced tupac and aivoiced snoop, basically to bait

(01:05:42):
kendrick, because kendrick hadnot said anything and I forget
how many days since um drake'slast diss.
So in that that song, basicallyTupac and Snoop, ai chide
Kendrick like you're letting usdown, you're supposed to be the
next step in West Coast and youlook like you're losing bro.

(01:06:06):
So this is deep disrespect.
If I had been in Drake's crew,I'd have been like I don't know
about that Pac shit man.
Like I don't know if I would dothat Right, but he did it, he
did it.
Okay, you went for it.
So you think the Bay gonna letyou disrespect Pac nigga Like

(01:06:28):
he's like do you understand whatyou just did?
Do you understand what thestreets are gonna think?
Understand what you just did?
Do you understand what thestreets are gonna think of what
you just did?
I think that oakland show gonnabe your last stop, nigga, like,
basically, if you go to oakland, do that show, that's gonna be
where you die.
They are gonna be like thestreets are coming.
So he's now like you can't walkanywhere in california.
I already let you know youcan't walk here and you can't

(01:06:50):
walk up north either.
You can't be in Californiaanymore Off limits.
Did Cole Fowl?
I didn't know.
You still pretended he goesthrough all this stuff about the
different.
And then I want to go down towhere he says be rad, sans for
rich.
And you, malibu most wanted,like he's really, like he's

(01:07:11):
casting him, like that was he'scasting him, like that was a
comedy.
Malibu Most Wanted was a comedy.

Speaker 4 (01:07:18):
Yeah, a comedy specifically about Jamie Kennedy
, the white man trying to co-optblack culture in order to make
himself look cool and fun.
I mean what?

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I've tried to do the same thing.
It's really difficult.
It's a tough thing to pull off.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
yeah, so he goes on and what they'll do to them and
I realize what they'll do tothem.
But I want to go to two morethings and we can talk about it
some other time.
He calls him out.
Lil Wayne, who basically putDrake on, brought him into the
music industry, essentially whenWayne went to jail or prison.

(01:08:00):
I forget the details, but whenhe went to jail Drake fucked one
of Wayne's girls.
Basically I don't know all thedetails of it, but I do remember
seeing an interview where Waynemade some reference to it and
apparently and I don't know allthe details of it, but I do
remember seeing an interviewwhere Wayne made some reference
to it and apparently and I don'tknow all the details of it, but
somewhere there's a tattoo thatDrake got in apology.

(01:08:22):
So he references that and hesays fuck on Wayne girl while he
was in jail.
That's conniving Then get hisface tatted like a bitch
apologize and so I'm like, ohdear, like this is just so
personal and so deep, so he'sjust eviscerating them Like as
far as California, you're done,bro.
And then the last rhyme hestarts breaking down how all the

(01:08:46):
people in Atlanta basicallybuilt Drake's style for him and
he goes through artist by artist.
Future when you didn't see theclub.
Little Baby helped you get yourlingo up.
25 Sat gave you fall streetcred.
Young Thug made you feel likeyou was slime in your head,
which I'm looking up.

(01:09:07):
Swine Quavo said you can befrom the west side.
2 Chainz say you good, you good,but he lied basically.
So if you were thinking that toget a hot song to come back
after me, you were gonna go downto atlanta and get with your
boys, I basically just fuckingcut that cord because if you
come out with a song from them,you are affirming this verse so

(01:09:30):
now you can't go to californiaand you can't go to atlanta.
Like he's cutting him off fromeverybody.
This is michael corleone settlefamily business on a record.
And then I want to point out,at the end he starts going he a

(01:09:52):
fan, he a fan, he a fan.
So when I first heard that Iwas like oh my god.
He's like saying you're notreal, like you heard rap music
and you're a fan and you justcome in here like on some fake
shit.
But then he flips that and hecalls him freaky ass nigga and
he goes freaky ass nigga, he a69 god, so drake calls himself
the six god.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
right, because people call toronto the six I also
call myself that there's so manyso many great things that you,
so when he calls himself a whathe calls himself the six god.

Speaker 3 (01:10:26):
So basically he's the god from toronto, right?
But what what drake has done?
I mean what what um kendrickhas done here?
One he take, he insults him andcalls him a fan, but he also,
like, creates makes that anacronym so you'll never forget
it, or what it means.
And then he takes away likewhat you say about yourself, you

(01:10:48):
can never say I'm the sixth godagain, because you won't be
done saying it before.
I think of 69 God and yourpedophilia, so he's like you
can't even say that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
What is the cultural sort of?
Why is this 69 bad?

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
culturally.
Well, I think that part is justlike you're just about sex with
these young girls.
Okay, got it.
But it's also kind of it's alittle bit, and this matters.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
I thought it was like a go ahead.
I think you're going to saywhat I thought it was.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
Well, we should come to it Because there's a
professor who has done likeseveral videos.
He apparently has been doingshit all this time, but I just
became aware of him through thestuff he's been doing about this
beef and he points out this isnot, I mean, for all the
brilliant lyrics I broke down.
This is very juvenile, honestly.

(01:11:43):
This part is and he said in avery sing-songy way, he's
mocking Drake.
This last part he's like thisis how your songs sound and I'm
like, oh my God.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Because at the end, because the part that really got
me was when he said then stepthis way, then step that way,
step this way, then step thatway, step this way, step that
way.
And drake has had so alwayslike step with your right, like
the dance songs that peopledance to in the club, but
basically kedrick is like getout of here with that bubble gum
shit man using his own languageagainst it, like making it even

(01:12:30):
more juvenile, making it likehe's, like this is how you get
down.
And at the end he says are youmy friend?
Are we locked in To the rhythm?
And I promise you I have noevidence of this and I'm not
sure that I ever could get any Ipromise you that when they were
on tour, I promise you, whenthey were on tour, drake used to

(01:12:54):
ask people if they were lockedin.
I would bet a lot of my ownmoney on that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Because I'm like what the?

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
fuck is he talking about?

Speaker 1 (01:13:04):
I think that whole last section is just him.
It's just like.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
So anyway, I know I probably sound like a whole
lunatic, but I mean, I mean, Iam of the opinion, I hate hot
takes and I hate when, theminute somebody has a good game
in the nba, people are like isso-and-so the goat?
I'm like I don't even know whatthat person looks like, so

(01:13:31):
probably not, um, but Iseriously think drake may have
established himself as a goat.
Drake I mean no, kendrick verymuch, not drake, but I think
kendrick may have establishedhimself yeah, I think kendrick,

(01:13:51):
like I, I honestly, and I'mtalking about love Biggie, love
Jay-Z, Like I've there are namesthat people don't know that
much about Big L unbelievable,Like there's.
Like I'm telling you I've beenhere the first record I ever
bought was Rapper's Delight.
Like I'm telling you, like thisis my life and I have never

(01:14:12):
seen any shit like this.
This song, like everythingabout it, is amazing the snaps,
the drums, the horns.
Like the baseline is sick, thebaseline is ridiculous.
I'm like what?
Like don't listen to it on yourphone, Like just through your
phone speakers.

(01:14:33):
Like it's almost.
It's like one time somebody wastalking about Whitney Houston,
or anyway, I'll bring it aroundto what I said, which is like
Whitney Houston smokingcigarettes and doing coke was
like leaving the red violin outin the rain.
That's where.
So that was something I said.
That's a great quote.
Oh, you said that, yeah, and sohere I would say that just

(01:14:54):
listening to this song on yourphone speakers equivalent
disrespect, Put it like, getsome quality earbuds or
headphones and just listen to.
Don't even listen to the lyricsfor one time through, Just
listen to how fucking good thetrack is.
Before you deal with a word,the man says it's.

(01:15:16):
I don't know that anything isperfect, but if there's ever
been a perfect rap song, this isit.
Minus and I'm not saying thisis a triviality the misogyny and
that does need to be addressed.
It does need to be addressedand I think we should address it
, but right now I'm busy, justmarveling at this fucking genius
yeah, yeah, but sorry, allright.

(01:15:38):
Sorry, coach, you still have tosay something on no, no, I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
I would say uh, in the interest of, of, um, sort of
limiting any recency bias, um,if you can project forward to
five years from now, would youchange anything?
Are you overly fanboying thissong?
Or, like you actually willthink you know what?

(01:16:02):
I'll also defend this fiveyears from now.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
If this is no, this is what I would say will I still
like?
That's why I was like with thegoat thing and like is this the
greatest ever song ever?
I?

Speaker 2 (01:16:14):
think it was your cousin that told you.
Your cousin told you this isthe best night in the history of
hip hop, or something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:21):
Oh, yeah, a friend of mine who lives across the
street.
Because, again, I hadn't heardthis stuff yet.
I just knew something was goingon.
I'm a 50-year-old family man,so I'm outside whacking weeds
literally that's what I wasdoing.
The guy walked up but he saidthat he and his brother said
this is the greatest night inhip hop.
And after listening to this andhaving spent, I said yes,

(01:16:43):
friday May 3rd, that night intoSaturday May 4th, 2024 was the
single greatest night in hip hop, and I don't think it's
particularly added in it.
And 20 in 24.
That's the thing I thought.
I didn't know it still has thatkind of yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, I thought it was had maybe run its course.

Speaker 3 (01:16:59):
I thought a little bit, or I thought I, in terms of
this level of like like thatlevel right yeah to excite me to
the point where I'm like I amrearranging how I will be
spending my free time for theforeseeable future, because
Because I have to dig into thisit's a cultural phenomenon.
Listen, I'm 51.
My kid is 19.

(01:17:20):
And my friends are going crazyabout this, and his friends are
going crazy, like that's notnormal.
That's not normal, that's not athing.
You do a lot of partying withyour parents.
Compare the lyrics.
No, like that's not a thing.
You do a lot of partying withyour parents compared to lyrics.
No, like that's not a thing.
What Really?
No, really.
Yes for you, boss.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
I've been to concerts with Kathy.

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
But would you say like you're equally invested in
the artists?

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
Or the songs.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
No, probably not.
I think probably watching herdo her older white lady
grapevine dance to Ants Marching.
It's not the same investment.
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
But I've had stuff like that with my kids too.
They've had stuff like that.
We went to see Nas years agoand I warned my kids.
I was like and who is nas islike one of the greatest rappers
ever, like he has given usmultiple classic albums and like
he had a huge beef with jay-z.
That's another class.
Like people are comparing thisto that because it's like
another classic showdown and notlike.

(01:18:29):
I took my kids and I was likeokay, there's a song about to
start called Life's a Bitch, andyou're gonna hear Papa do a lot
of cursing.
I did.
I said it just like thatbecause I was like there's zero
fucking chance I'm gonna bewatching Nas live and not yell
this at the top of my like sorry, kids, time to grow up.
Like I was.

(01:18:49):
Like it's happening, it's goingdown that's amazing but yeah, no
like, but that was my music,that I was exposing them to, or
whatever, but for us to besimultaneously like holy shit.
So next episode we'll talkabout bbl drizzy.
If you have time, look it upquickly.

(01:19:11):
Metro, who I mentioned in thebeginning of all this, is a uh,
is a producer, and drake in uh Iwant to say it was family
matters has a rhyme where he'slike dissing all these people
and he says to metro why don'tyou go uh, make some drums like?
He dismisses him like you'renot even an mc.

(01:19:32):
What the fuck is you going todo in all of this?
Get the fuck out.
Basically, he's like you ain'teven, you're not even worth this
being in this conversation.
He tells him to go make somedrums, like, basically, like go
play with your little beat.
So Metro did.
He went and made anotherfucking heater called BBL Drizzy

(01:19:54):
, because the BBL is likebasically a plastic surgery to
give like a bubble buttbasically.
And the rumor is that Drake hasgotten all this plastic surgery
.
So the I'm sorry, coach,because I know you gotta go.
Give me 60 more seconds.
No, no, no, no, no, i'm'm goodI'm good I'm actually I'm fine,

(01:20:16):
I'm just reacting to so, bbldrizzy, let me see if I can find
these lyrics real fast, becausethis shit and it's so
disrespectful like you justlaugh.
So he got like a very soulfulsinger, so it sounds like it's
an old, like r&b song, butthere's no goddamn way.
Um and I.
I found out later that acomedian had created this and
they sampled it, so it was kindof cool because Metro retweeted

(01:20:40):
the guy's tweet to give him allthis shine.
They're not missing a note here.
They're like we are of theculture.
The people will love us andhate Drake.
So, bbl Drizzy, hear the lyrics.
I'm thicker than a snicker.
I'm thicker than your ninja.
Don't act like you don't knowme.
These yams deserve a trophy.

(01:21:01):
I'm like come on, yo, theseyams deserve a trophy.
I'm like this is sodisrespectful.
Got the best BBL in history.
This cake will make you show up.
I know you've seen this glow up.
Let me break that down.
Yams ass cheeks.
So as soon as you look at me,right, okay, got the best bbl in

(01:21:25):
history.
Like.
He's like women do this surgerylike this is not a guy, a thing
guys do.
So he's like I have thegreatest.
Like as a dude, I'm the best ofthese bubble butts.
Basically this cake more assreference will make you show up.
I know you've seen this glow up, so basically I know you
enjoyed me coming back lookingall pretty from the plastic

(01:21:47):
surgeon.
So not only did he put out thisbeat, which is fire, but he put
the word out that anybody canuse it.
He's given the world permissionto make remixes of this song.

(01:22:08):
The best one will win $10,000and a free beat from Metro.
Like a free beat, for Metro islike a million dollar gift, but
you're going to be famous.
If you win this and you get tomake the song on the free,
you're now going to be a famousperson.
So every MC in the land isgoing to be creating Drake diss

(01:22:32):
tracks.
This shit is diabolical.
Yo, I'm like what the fuck?
Like he, he.
They basically are going tocreate a trend Like it's not
just that we are dissing you.
It's like a cottage industry Acottage industry and there's a
second, and now they added asecond place.
So second place gets a beat andfirst place gets 10,000 plus a

(01:22:52):
beat.
So, so, second place gets abeat and first place gets 10,000
plus a beat.
So look forward to at least thesummer at like, at a minimum.
All summer, every rapper,everybody knows, is going to be
putting out a BBL Drizzy song,because you could fucking win.
He created a lottery.
He created a Dis Drake lottery.

(01:23:14):
Ladies and gentlemen, I'velived through all the years of
hip-hop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:23):
I've seen the pyramids of Giza.
I have looked down into theGrand Canyon.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
I've never seen anything like this.
Somebody said that he inventedthe instrumental.
I laughed for about 15 minutes.
The instrumental, that's.
That's very good that's reallygood like but it's true, it is
so good.
The song is actually like again, like it's not just that they
made fun of you and it's funny,it is actually quality.

(01:23:52):
The artistry of the of thisshit is really on another level.
I drake may survive this alex,who's more dialed in than me
because I'm I'm old man now,he's more dialed in than me.
He said he thinks drake willsurvive because he'll still have

(01:24:12):
his fans and they'll still cometo his show.
They'll still buy his shit, hesaid, but he will be stained.
Like I was like do you thinkthis is it?
Like, is he?
I'm going to say, is he Ja Rule?
Another hip hop artist, ja Rulegot into a beef with 50 Cent or
maybe vice versa.
Really, 50 Cent went after JaRule and fucking demolished him.
Like ended Ja Rule's career.

(01:24:33):
Like that.
Like ended Ja Rule's career.
Like that's why Ja Rule is likedoing Fire Island because he
needed money.
Like he's like he's he ended JaRule.
Like he made Ja Rule into ajoke and it was over.
And I was like oh my God, isDrake Ja Rule?
And my son was like nah, he'llsurvive.
He said he'll be stained, he'llnever be at the top again, but

(01:24:58):
he thinks he'll survive.
But I mean, this is potentiallyOne person I said was like well
, isn't this just mutual profit?
And I was like nah, this is ahigh stakes game.
You can both survive, likeJay-Z and Nas did, or you could
both end up dead, like Tupac andBiggie did, like you've crossed
out of like normal areas Likethis could go any number of ways

(01:25:20):
.
Like when I heard the rhyme Iwill be honest when I heard the
rhyme about Oakland and Kendricktelling Drake about Oakland, I
was like be careful, guys.
Like as funny as I find thisshit, I don't want to see Drake
get shot.
And like all you need is onefan to be like I'll be that
motherfucking hero.
So like be careful.
But like this is like this isway beyond music.

(01:25:44):
Now.
Like I hear there are all sortsof music execs trying to like
tamp this down because a lot ofpeople been eating off Drake for
a lot of years.
You kill that bread.
Like some folks gonna have toget new jobs and so apparently
people are trying.
But I'm like it's beyond any ofthat at this point.
Like like this is not, this isnot.

(01:26:07):
Like this is not, this is yeah.
Like we're.
Like this is war, this is liketrue war.
Like if I were drake real talkI wouldn't go to California for
a while.
All bullshit aside I would notstep foot in California for a
while.

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
That was my sense of it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
Seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
It feels like the Tupac and Big E seriously.
Here's the thing.
I want to say this First of all.
Thank you, my God, that wasinformative.
I love every.
I have every second.
I have so many questions.
I have so many middle-agedwhite boy questions that I can't

(01:26:53):
even begin to to ask right now.
Um, it may be that we have todo, I don't know.
We may talk this, it all isphenomenal, but I was going to
say what resonates with me isthe virtue versus vice dichotomy
and I think, when you're sayingthis, the way you articulated

(01:27:15):
that made me have a visceralreaction to when I checked out
of rap.
I was like and I don't thinkI'm the only white boy that did
that and you know what I mean inlike a main way, where it's
like oh, this is a core,something that I you know what I
mean.
So I'm like.
I want to explore that a littlebit.

(01:27:35):
But, um, a lot of what you say,especially, it's funny because
I have articulated many, manytimes about the quality of your
character, how, how, how much Iadmire you, how, how all of our
peer groups, what's up to youand and you are tremendous, um
and so and that you are, you areborderline ned flanders.

(01:28:02):
When you're like in coach mode,you know like and then and then
to see the other side, whereyou're like, you know if, if a
building burning, letter, letteror like whatever letter burn
yeah, I'm like so.
So it is fascinating to thinkabout, like you know, in the
same way we talked about howcrazy the conflict in the Middle

(01:28:25):
East is.
It's like many things can betrue at the same time, exactly,
and that even is sort ofepitomized by you, and how you
break this down and all thedifferent you think about the
different versions of CoachBishop, of Orlando Bishop that
have coexisted inside this worldof music all the way along.

(01:28:45):
It's really, it really isfascinating and we really need
like three or four more hours toto digest it.
But I want to, I'm going toplay around with this and I'm
going to see, I'm going to reachout to some, some of our.
We have some friends in the inthe music industry.
We have some really sharpmusical minds like who can tell
you everything?

Speaker 3 (01:29:03):
I'm thinking of somebody I know you're thinking
of right now.
Yeah, who knows them all yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
And it's like maybe we explore a little bit more
about this and how you know, thevast majority of our audience
is probably not as well versedin rap, as you are Right, but
it's interesting and it'sculturally um informative and
and it's like this is a, this iszeitgeist, this is, this is
like something that affectseverybody, whether it doesn't

(01:29:30):
matter if you're from compton ornot.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
It really, it was on cbs morning news.
Dude, yeah, this is what I'msaying it's insane, I couldn't.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
And it's funny because my kids told I found out
about from like and I tweetedlike right away and I said oh no
, actually I didn't tweet thisone, I haven't been on Twitter,
fuck Twitter but I but.
I've been like just texting myfriends, uh little groups and
stuff.
But I remember when I firstcame I was like I was like, oh,
my kids tell me there's a youknow rap battle between Kendrick
and Drake and I was like, Imean, as a uninformed person who

(01:30:00):
knows a little bit about eachof them, it seems like a tiger
fighting a canary.
But the thing with the speed ofokay, this is a crazy reference
.

Speaker 3 (01:30:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it may not work.
That was interesting, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:30:15):
I had a bad divorce years ago, the worst divorce
anyone's ever had in the historyof the world.

Speaker 3 (01:30:21):
I was there and that's a claim you could make.
It was not good.
I've never heard a worsedivorce.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
I've never heard somebody get more fucked, never
the worst celebrity divorceyou've ever heard.
I got worse and since thatmoment, since I delivered papers
to say I need to go my own way,it has been an attack fest on

(01:30:49):
one side and I never say a badword.
I never.
I always, actually, even tothis day, I take the high road
and I actually really want allthe best for her and I want her
to have a good life and all thatstuff.
And it feels like a versionwhere you have such intimate
knowledge of somebody and you'relike, if you push me one more

(01:31:12):
motherfucking time, I'm going totell everybody everything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
You warned him.

Speaker 2 (01:31:16):
I haven't I have never said it, but I can, and
you don't want people to findout what you actually are all
about and it felt like it was soeasy.
It's like when you're actuallyin the in crowd, right, and so
producers, and you know you'reat a party and you're just
having a good time, and some guysays I worked with that

(01:31:37):
motherfucker, here's what he didto me.
Now you have this you stow itaway and then another guy goes,
you know what, like oh yeah, hetook my song with her little
sister.
Yeah right, all those littlethings you start and you're like
so now you have this vast troveof ammunition and you're like I
know he's not going to comeafter me because that would be
insane, like in it would.

(01:31:57):
It's almost too easy.

Speaker 3 (01:31:59):
Yeah, he thought he was setting up Kendrick and
Kendrick was like are youserious?

Speaker 2 (01:32:05):
are you fucking kidding me?
I know, you didn't just comeafter me, because that could not
possibly be and there's lyrics.

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
I mean, like I said, there's so much to this.
You're spot on with thisbecause it's what it feels like
in several of the tracks as thiswas building up.
You could hear, I think, inEuphoria, at one point he makes
a rhyme by oh, he says I makesongs I may be getting this a
little bit wrong I make songsthat electrify them.
You make songs that pacify them.

(01:32:32):
And then he says there's adouble meaning to that, but I'm
not going to speak on it.
That's my act of kindness.
I'm not even trying to say therhyme at that point.
That's my act of kindness, likeI'm not even trying to say the
rhyme at that point.
But if you think about what hesaid, you make rhymes that
pacify them.
Pacifiers are what you givebabies like he so he's not only
saying because so he lays outvirtue and vice.

(01:32:54):
I make songs that electrify them.
I make songs that give themenergy, bring them up, elevate
them.
You make songs that put them tosleep.
I'm'm for the woke, you're forthe sleep, and don't make me
explain the double entendre ofusing the word pacify there.
So you're spot on when you sayhe told him and that's one

(01:33:16):
example multiple times he waslike you don't want to do this,
bro, you don't want to do this,I have't want to do this I have
so much.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
That's what I.
That's the.
It came out so fast, it's soeasy.
You feel like there's probablythree other songs, oh no there's
five more songs.

Speaker 3 (01:33:31):
I think that's my theory, because he says he says
one, two, three, four, five,plus how many stocks.
So I'm like stocks, wait,what's going on?
And he says one, two, three,four, five, and he had released
five to that point and then hegoes plus five.
So that's the other reason.
When I was talking to alex, Iwas like if I was, if I was

(01:33:51):
drake, I shut the fuck up.
If he already has five moresongs, like I would just shut
the fuck up, like it's over,like it's over, you're dead.
You're dead.
Like, if he's a, like I don't.
And I don't think it was athreat.
I think part of why he took solong is he was like lining this

(01:34:11):
shit up and he was like allright, if he plays nice, I'll
release this, if he doesn't playnice, I'll release that.
But I I believe him 100 thathe's got five more songs.
None of us have ever heard eachone as deadly as everything
we've heard already.
I believe him.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
They're Not Like Us.
As a refrain, as a lyric, iscrucifixion.
It's unbelievable In musicalform.
So, anyway, I actually reallywant to keep talking about this.
Here's the thing I'm a dad andmy better half, juliana, is out
of the state, so I got to gopick up kids from school.

(01:34:52):
I wish we could continue this,but this is fascinating,
absolutely fascinating.

Speaker 3 (01:35:00):
For those of you who find this interesting, I will
this there's a there and I'mgoing to talk.
I haven't gotten to talk tocoach.
I actually did a trip of uh uhearlier this week and there is a
broader conversation.
I think ties in very much tothe new manhood that we've been
discussing in the context of tedlasso and I think plays into

(01:35:20):
the man versus bear conference aguy actually in an unbelievable
way.
I feel like this battle alsowraps itself around a lot of
conversations that are happeningright now and, I think, around
a decision we're making aroundhow we're going to be.
So I think we could and shouldhave more conversation about

(01:35:42):
this and maybe broaden it, likeyou're saying.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
Yeah, I feel like it is the confluence of a lot of
themes and a lot of things thatwe've discussed put into sharp
focus, so it's something we'lldefinitely talk about offline.
Yes, thank you, coach.
Thank you again.
This was so exciting.
I love your passion.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
I feed off of it like a fucking, like one of those
little eels that are symbioticwith a bigger fish, or something
I'm just like.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Oh my God, I'm glad you enjoyed it, because I was
like I'm totally just rantingreally an amazing overview, and
especially the the thephilosophical sort of divergence
is is is actually fascinating.
Never heard it categorized likethat.
I've never heard that take itis.

(01:36:32):
I want to know why.
I want to know why.
Why vice one out and, and andand we can talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:36:39):
That could be.
That could be a whole episode.

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
And then and then how that impacted people like me
who couldn't relate to thatmessage.
In the same way.
I remember how fast it went fromI got myself like a I got a car
, to now I got a fucking jet,yeah, and Cristal, yeah, and it
went.
It was fast.
It was fast.
I don't know this, but I feellike there was a market.

(01:37:07):
God we got to go so fast.
But I I feel like there was amarket that was like, oh, we
can't make things expensiveenough.
So so, because they knew therewas like a new, it wasn't just
rappers, but it was like, okay,we're gonna make a watch.
when I was a kid, I felt likethe most expensive watch I ever
heard of was five or tenthousand dollars yeah, yeah and
now you can get like a twomillion dollars, just like, oh,
the top, you know, whatever thatis right you feel like was

(01:37:31):
partially influenced by by this,this change, but, um, yeah, I
don't know it's.
Uh, it is amazing, um, andwe'll definitely pick it up.
Um, boss, thank you for beingso quiet.
My favorite episode.

Speaker 4 (01:37:44):
Like if I knew, if I had known, I was trying to study
, I was trying to research.
While he was saying things Iwas like, all right, put that on
the list.

Speaker 2 (01:37:54):
Look that up later.
All this, we're going to be a100% rap podcast from now on.
If this is my reward, no, boss,thank you.
I'm working on getting all thevideos, so we record video in
conjunction with audio, and I'mworking very, very hard.
I've been working for months totry to get the video posted and

(01:38:17):
I'm getting close to it.
It's a labor of love, but youdidn't get to see boss's facial
reactions to so many of thethings, but it was like it was
magical, just just from that,that standpoint.
So, um yeah, um, thank you boss, um coach, uh, where do people
find you if they want to findyou?

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
Uh, I'm going to say this time around, I'm going to
really point everybody to the,to the community, cause I I
actually do plan, and now thatI'm saying it out loud, I may
make it a make it its ownchannel but I think we should,
we should talk this out a littlebit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:54):
Yeah, I'll share the videos.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
There's some stuff that's just hilarious.
Like there are all sorts ofskits Now people putting out
skits of like you know, reactionshots of Drake's, like crew
hearing they not like some veryfunny stuff?
Oh, yeah, very like.
Some stuff is like hystericallyfunny.
But at any rate, yeah, comethrough, come through the
community.
This is a.

(01:39:17):
There's a like I would not besurprised if, in five years, I
would not be surprised if, infive years, coach Bishop has
written a book that started withthis weekend.
Seriously, jesus, I'm thatimpacted.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
My FM degree is staring at me like you got some
shit to say, bro, my FM.
It has been a little whilesince I've heard my degree
whisper to me while I slept.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
But my fm degrees man , hey, coach you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:53):
There is that you degree I'm telling you I'm like
you hear what's going on, man.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Oh, tell me you hear what's going on, man.

Speaker 3 (01:40:00):
Tell me.
You hear what's going on.
Oh my God, so yeah, so anyway,thank you, thank you for knowing
to do this, because you knewimmediately.
You knew immediately, you saidit right away and I'm so glad we
have.
I actually want to re-listen tothis because I was just so
fired up.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
I don't even know half the shit, I just said, but
yeah, it's really great to jointhe community, folks, all you
have to do is um is uh, go tothe subscription link in in any
of our episodes, any episodethere's always a thing that says
support the show.
Click on it and uh and uh.
Once you give I think theminimum is three bucks a month

(01:40:34):
to try to help us keep thelights on and, bam, you get an
invite to the community.
Uh, boss, where do people findyou if they want to find?

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
you.
I'm also using my advanceddegree in accounting apparently
to write a book about social.
No, I'm not doing any of that,but you can find me on threads
While they're writing a book onaccounting.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
It's equally riveting to the they're not like us, but
in my case I'm talking abouttax cheats.

Speaker 4 (01:41:02):
You're forgetting that probably years ago at this
point, I made a joke aboutwriting a self-help book using
accounting principles calledAccounting for Yourself.

Speaker 2 (01:41:11):
Oh yeah, no, you did and.

Speaker 4 (01:41:13):
Bishop said that you tried to get me to write it for
a little bit.
I'm not going to, but anyway,you can find me on Threats.

Speaker 3 (01:41:19):
Thank, God, I have so much quit in me.

Speaker 4 (01:41:23):
Sorry you, but anyway you can find me on threads um I
have so much sorry, so muchquick ridiculing men who don't
understand the bear thing yet.
Uh, that is emilychambers.31absolutely and also I.
I did dip back into thecommunity.
I tried to catch up, so I willbe there also seriously, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
I will say that um following you on threads is a
good time and I highly recommendit like I'm not putting a lot
of stuff on threads, but I amenjoying being on there because
I see stuff from you and I'm you, you, you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:49):
It's a good time I, I , I professionally make fun of
boss um and I will agree 100with that.
I, I, uh, I adore everythingshe's about um, and it's always
a good time, and somehow I wascursed to immediately just adore
her from the second we met andit makes no sense, got her hooks

(01:42:10):
in me.
It made me laugh so fuckinghard.
So many times I was like Goddamn it, who is this fucking
crazy person?
Um, and years later, um later,I get to poke fun for real
almost every day.
Thank you, boss, thank youcoach, thank you everyone for
listening, thank you, thank you.
Thank you for being part of ourcommunity, for being a

(01:42:31):
Buttercup, for helping us Shoutout to the king of the
Buttercups who lives in theToronto, greater Toronto area,
jeff.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
This in no way impacts.
Check on.
Check on drake man check on him.

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
Yeah well, yeah, yeah , I got an email from um.
This is how this is how much Ilove the community.
Um you, I've raved about howmuch I love uh hockey, playoffs
and the just beat the mapleleafs in game seven overtime.
It was a thing where I jumpedon my thing and said they won,
they won.
I couldn't believe it.
I forgot that it was the Kingof the Buttercups.

(01:43:11):
I forgot it was his team.
When I found out, I was like,oh God.

Speaker 4 (01:43:16):
You bastard.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
I'm so sorry.
I love that guy, I love him,guy, um, and love more than I,
uh, love, uh, god, I guess Ilove the buttercups more, I love
the bruins which I there.
You go hard, hard thing to say,but I'll take p, I'll take
people over over organizationsalmost every time.
Um, anyway, um, thank youeverybody.
Uh, please support your locallibraries and the written word.
Raise better boys, raise betterboys.

Speaker 1 (01:43:42):
So that we can all improve the world.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, it's very, very appropriate, and until next
time we are Richmond.

Speaker 3 (01:43:52):
Richmond To we.
Strike a chord, it is probablya minor.

Speaker 2 (01:44:00):
Jesus Christ, just evisceration.
Thank you, I'm gonna be smilingall day, I'm gonna think about
this and I'm gonna re-listen toit and, dear God, this is a lot
of fun.
Thank you.
Thank you, everybody.
We'll see you next time.
Bye, guys.

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