Ted Lasso | S2 Ep12 Part1 "Inverting the Pyramid of Success" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso Way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, welcome Beautiful people.
What did you say, coach, go onno, no, no'd you say coach, go
on, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Listen, I want to hear from you.
This is important.
If you had an instinct to shoutit out, I'd love it.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
I think we skipped the open.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, coach, I just wanted to start
with the music, something wenever do, coach.
I just wanted to start with themusic, something we never do.
We're now entering our finalepisode of Ted Lasso.
We've done all of season one,all of season three and 11 out
of 12 of season two, coach, andright before we recorded, I said

(01:22):
to the team here I said I'mgoing to start with the music,
something I never do.
And this is what happens withADHD.
I say the thing that I thinkeverybody understands, and Coach
hears the thing that he thinkseverybody understands.
And now we're on air and nobodyunderstands anything.
Coach, all right, I am yourhost, coach castleton.

(01:45):
Uh, with me, as always, is theindefatigable coach bishop I'm
looking to set a record and ourboss only

Speaker 4 (01:56):
episodes will have god, jesus, I was hoping maybe
you were announcing your musicalcareer, but no, you mean you
want to talk about this episodefor the next 13 straight weeks.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah.
How many episodes of Ted Lassoare there?

Speaker 4 (02:13):
Altogether 34.

Speaker 3 (02:14):
The only thing we can do to honor its greatness is to
have that many episodesdiscussing episode 12 of season
two.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
You want to do 34 episodes of this episode.
Eh give or take, oh man.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
I'm going to need to buy more edibles.
This is one of the.
I mean, listen, it was notsurprising to me.
It's a little surprising, buton Apple TV today we are just
about 11 months or so since TedLasso finished.
Approaching a year was the endof a little bit less than that,

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so it was the end of May, we'reat the beginning of April and
Ted Lasso is still the numbertwo product on Apple TV+.
You could say, oh, that's anindication of the weaker
products in apple tv plus, butthat's not true.
They don't think now they havea lot of great stuff.
So, um, it is a show that haslegs.

(03:13):
It is a show that has capturedum audiences, and one of the
things I really love uh, that'shappened.
Um, and we've seen this withour buttercups too is people
finding the show late.
a lot of people who were, uh,boss like, and like to be
contrarians, like I'm notwatching that fucking show, and
you know like oh, everyone'sinto it, everyone can eat my

(03:34):
shorts.
You're not.
You're not a general contrarian, but no, no, I know you'll
watch everything, but I don't.
You sometimes enjoy goingagainst the grain if someone's
like hey hey you shouldn't smokeheroin.
You'd be like, well, fucking,watch me Like.
I just think like.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
So that is actually a discussion that my older sister
and I have a lot because shethinks I agree with her to the
extent that I generally do notlike what is popular.
By and large, if it is apopular thing, I am not a fan.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Right.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I argue that I don't intend to be a contrarian.
I just find things that I like,and what I like are weirdo
different shows or differentmovies, and that those happen to
not be that popular.
So if somebody were like, don'tsmoke heroin, I'd be like no,
of course I'm not going to youinject it.
That that's dumb Number one.
But also, I wouldn't do that inorder to rebel, like it's not

(04:28):
like I'm going to say, like Ijust like what you like.
Right, I do like some of theadventure movies.
I wouldn't be like fuck theadventure movies.
Everybody likes them.
They're gross Like no manfucking uh.
Infinity war and game,whichever was the second to the
last one, that was a qualitymovie and I will stand by that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Um, uh, I, I, I will say I want to direct people to,
sorry when you're saying that Istarted to think about the
Marvel movies and there was arecent post on on the antagonist
blog antagonist blogcom um,where, um, uh, just this, just
this great piece on Roadhouse byDustin Waters and he was

(05:18):
referencing this one superinteresting essay where it was
talking about this ties back toRS Benedict's essay.
I don't know who RS Benedict is.
Do you know who that is?
Boss coach?
Anybody is.
Rs benedict essay everyone isbeautiful and no one is horny.
Uh, which examined the sexlesshotness of the marvel cinematic
universe.
And uh, as benedict put it,modern action and superhero

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films fetishize the body even asthey desexualize it.
And what dustin is talkingabout here is in the original
roadhouse.
There is this little scene, um,where um dalton, played by
patrick swayze, is a woke uh,woken up by a friendly waitress,
carrie ann, who's brought himbreakfast, and he gets up out of

(06:03):
bed.
He's groggy, it's his first dayin this little, whatever podunk
town and, um, we get a shot ofhis bare ass and we see her get
flushed and and it's like afemale gaze kind of thing, you
know it's.
It's like this cool moment um,especially for a 1989 film.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I think they uh generally like to be called
lesbians.

Speaker 4 (06:23):
God damn it.
God damn it, son of a fuckingbitch.
God damn it.
I was just about to say thatsame thing yeah.
I was unmuting to make thatterrible joke.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, I'm so happy you guys are in sync.
And with the new one, the JakeGyllenhaal Remake, dustin points
out Wisely there's just no,even though he's shirtless and
he's got this Chiseled physique,there's nothing, there's no sex
, there's just a tiny littlepeck.
And it's just sort of Reallyinteresting, especially In that

(07:02):
you know, you know that Gen Z,you know, is less Sort of.
They date less, they are slowerto have sexual intimacy, things
like that.
So the whole thing isinteresting.
Sort of film universe of theirlife was this Marvel cinematic

(07:28):
universe and it was desexualized.
You're like, oh, yeah, yeah,they don't naturally just put it
in, whereas some of us who grewup in the 80s and 90s, you have
, or in the 60s and 70s, some ofthe older folks listening to
the show.
I mean, sex is everywhere.

(07:48):
It was a fundamental part ofour existence, even at a young
age, so interesting.

Speaker 3 (07:54):
You know it's interesting though and
temporally this doesn't hold up.
But when you said desexualize,it felt a lot to me like Ted
referencing the British officepre-make, because maybe what it
is, at least perspective wouldallow us to at least consider

(08:14):
this is our shit was highlysexualized.
I haven't watched it yetbecause I have to be very
mindful.
I've really embraced that.
I'm actually an empath, so allthat shitty energy people put
out into the world just soaksright into my every cell.
Yes, or wherever actors whowere at most generous treated

(08:35):
inappropriately and at worstwere sexually abused.
And maybe I'm not having such aproblem with the fact that we

(09:09):
don't have to have everything beovertly sexual or even have
sexual undertones, like I don't.
I'm sure those guys thoughtthey're being funny at some
points when they had theirlittle toe jokes in kid shows.
But you know what?
Maybe we don't need that, maybeit's best we don't have that,
maybe we should like a toe ohyeah, like this guy apparently
has a toe fetish.
and then there are all thesescenes they show now that are in
the kids' show, that give inthat context.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Oh it's pretty fucking creepy.
Yeah, that's super gross.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, it's bad man and it shows.
I don't know if you watch someof these with your kids, but
there's a section of these showsthat I know quite well because
I watched them with Maya andAlex.
Yeah, of these shows that Iknow quite well because I
watched them with maya and alex.
So I'm extra pissed because I'mjust like, look man, I just
need a break to go take a shower.

(09:51):
I didn't need you trying tolike subliminally, fuck my kids
up.
What is what's going on here?
So, anyway, I don't think it'sso bad.
The human body can be beautifuland uh, heroic and and I don't
have to want to fuck everythingthat can all exist.

Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, I think it's.
I find the whole like is Gen Ztoo sexless?
Argument to be not interesting.
What's interesting in a bad way?

Speaker 1 (10:21):
Whatever that word is that.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
I'm looking for right now interesting in a bad way,
whatever that word is that I'mlooking for right now.
Like I think that there has beenso much sexual repression in
the country since its founding,basically, that having a sex
positive outlook is good, butnot when that sex positive
outlook is a very specific formof sexuality that excludes other

(10:44):
kinds and is mostly gearedtowards straight white men.
Like people talk about how HughHefner was a revolutionary in
the sexual freedom, I'm like,yeah, if you happen to like big
boobed, skinny, white, blondewomen, if you like that,
absolutely he told you to goahead and get what you want, but
if you want anything besidesthat, it's still looked at as

(11:06):
being unacceptable.
So I don't, number one, fuckingGen Z, I don't care who you're
banging you do you like I don'tor not, whatever, it's fine.
Uh, I think that prescribing anacceptable level of sexuality
for anybody else is always wrongbecause it doesn't have

(11:27):
anything to do with you unlessyou're having sex with them, and
that shying away from somethingthat was abused and misused and
exploited in so many differentways for so long that if what
they've decided is we're goingto give it a break and we're
going to figure out what wereally like and actually do that
.
Great, good, good idea.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Absolutely do that no , no, I agree.
But well said, very, very wellsaid.
Um, also, I I actually thinkit's part of a bigger thing.
I don't think it's a standaloneissue with gen z.
Um, there's this weird thingthat it's funny.
My son was telling me that, uh,he's in a philosophy course in
college and there's 26 kids inthe class, 26 students.

(12:09):
And the professor says allright, well, you guys have to do
these little workshopsituations where you're going to
break into groups of four orfive or six or whatever.
So I've made four breakoutrooms it's a Zoom class and a
virtual class and she says allright, so I'm going to leave the
thing.
I've made four breakout rooms.

(12:29):
You can label them and thenjump into whatever topic suits
you best.
And she leaves and then nobodydoes anything.
They sit there and they don'tget into breakout rooms.
And there's this one kid who somy son goes into a breakout room
by himself, just sits in thebreakout room and he notices

(12:50):
nobody's coming in, right.
So he's like I go back out ofthe breakout room and he's like
I can feel the tension, becausethe other kids are like, why'd
you go?
But they're not gonna sayanything, no one's talking, it's
silent.
And so finally, one kid chirpsup.
He's right, well, why don't weset up some categories?
Okay, like, I'll just put themin the chat, is that cool with
everybody?

(13:10):
Nobody says anything.
So he puts them in the chat andI guess he's like the one kid
that isn't afraid to talk in theclass and because of that he
gets a lot of resentment fromthe other kids.
This isn't my son, this is justlike another kid.
So, like this dude puts somecategories and then he's like
all right, so, uh, do you wantto talk in breakout rooms or

(13:31):
should we?
He's like I'll tell you what.
I'll make a discus, not discus.
I'll make a um.
I'll make a uh.
Uh, what do you call the server?
Um?
Oh god, I'm such an old fuck.
What?
What's the uh?
Is that discord?

Speaker 4 (13:45):
discord server.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Sorry, yes, I couldn't think of the word.
Yes, I'll make a discord server.
Okay, here's the link for thediscord server.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Maybe it's just like super easy computer when the kid
, the kids, type on a computer.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, no no, that's what it sounds like, so they
make a discord server and thenthe kids don't go to the discord
server.
So you, so so, and my son issitting there watching this.
He's like, if we, if we it, sohe, you know, votes on a
category with the kid.
He's like, now that I've joinedthis other kid who's taking
initiative, um, I'm like.

(14:16):
He's like you feel ostracizedby the kids that are just
sitting silently and the pressercomes back in it like what did
you guys decide?
Nothing's happened.
And I'm like, oh my God, Iwould, if I was that professor,
I would lose my mind.
You know what I mean.
And they're just like.
There's this again.
You can't have rationalrealizations, but there is

(14:38):
something about the generationwhere they are terrified of
being, being out of step, or youknow putting themselves, you
know on the line, or you know, Ijust see it in many ways.
So, coach, maybe you have adifferent um, different analysis
, um, but I think that's what nopart of the sexuality is and
part of the.
You know, it's just like,really, social media is such a

(14:59):
strong presence in their life.
They're so right quick to belike somebody could, could, snap
a shot of that and share itright away.
And then you know people arejudging you.
So I don't know.
The whole thing is dauntingyeah, you know it's interesting.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
I that last piece there, especially just sort of
their relationship to puttinganything on a screen or if you
join a group or you know, and Ican think of it in a number of
ways.
I mean, you had, in theaftermath of Hamas's
unfathomable attack on Israel,you had people who like lost job

(15:38):
offers because they said, hey,israel's fucked up to set up
these circumstances.
Now, whether that was the righttime to make that particular
point or to make it the way theymade it, I think there is a lot
more sensitivity and rightly soin that generation around, not
necessarily recording all thethoughts and all the things.

(16:00):
Recording all the thoughts andall the things.
Somebody pointed out.
There's a documentary out rightnow about Freak Nick, which
I've never been so happy that Iwas too broke to do something,
because I know who I was at thattime and I guarantee you I
would be in the trailer.
I guarantee you I would be inthe trailer, and so I'm ecstatic

(16:24):
that I was just too fuckingbroke to even consider going
down to Freaknik.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Can you explain for those of us that don't know what
you're talking about?
What is Freaknik?

Speaker 3 (16:30):
I'm sorry, freaknik was essentially Black Spring
Break.
I mean I guess that's as simpleas I can make it.
And it was in Atlanta and itwas just debaucherous, like I
remember just hearing like thecraziest goddamn stories and
people were just down theredoing all the spring breaky

(16:53):
thing, like what, but with asoundtrack of rap music.
Um, I mean it was definitely ameat market, okay, I mean.
So people were drunk, slash,I'm sure, a high.
Um, it was a meat market forsure.
Like, literally, like you knowpeople, you know blasting music,
so like women would like do thetime, that time's equivalent of

(17:16):
twerking in the street.
I mean, it was apparentlyinsane, but just it was all it
was.
Uh, all it was like everycollege trope of like wild
partying but then overlaid withblackness.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
In Atlanta.
Yes, atlanta proper, it was athing.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Like the city of Atlanta, I believe so.
I believe so.
There's a park in Atlanta, inatlanta, and, if I recollect
correctly, um, when I was thereto shoot somebody as we drove by
was like, oh yeah, germ freaknick.
This place was, you know, justoverrun with everybody, blah,
blah, blah, so.
So there's a documentary outnow about it, which I haven't

(17:57):
watched yet.
But one of the things that waspointed out about this
generation because maybe thecomment was that this generation
doesn't party like people didin the 90s, 2000s, and is it
just nostalgia?
And somebody said, no, actuallypart of it is we have phones.
They didn't have phones, sothey were present, they were
there to party.

(18:18):
They weren't recording it, theyweren't texting about it, they
weren't seeing what other peoplethought about it.
They were partying.
Their whole energy was into theparty itself.
And I just thought those areanyway.
I think those things areinteresting, looking at our
different relationships to, oh,just jump into this room or just
head over to that chat.

(18:39):
But it sounds like there'ssomething more at play here in
terms of this professor, becauseI would think they'd be a
little more fine.
The professor said to join oneof the groups.
I don't really give a shit.
Click on number three.
So I'm a little surprised thatit was so like I will just sit

(19:00):
here and do nothing, nothing.
I just can't, like, I can'tfathom.
You know, I, I, I could be atroublemaker, but I could also
be a bit of not even teacher'spet, but like we were told to do
a thing, so I guess we gotta doit if that actually so I can't
imagine.

Speaker 4 (19:17):
That that was the thing that stood out to me the
most uh was uh, you didn'tfollow the instructions, though,
like the instructions were togo to the breakout room and then
exactly, that's what I said, somaybe I'm a real.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I said to my son I'm like, but they were told to do
it.
But there was a clear thingthat the professor said go, do
this please and figure it out,and I'll come back.
And they didn't go and theydidn't figure it out and I'm
like I had a part of thisconversation.

Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm sorry, no, no, that's it that's all it was, I
just.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
But I was astounded.
I'm like, well, why doesn't theprofessor just give them all
f's for the day and teach him alesson?
I'm like I don't, I don't knowwhat like but he's like it's
every class, it's not just, it'snot limited to this class.
It's a dynamic of his collegeexperience where he's like
people who step out and appeasethe professor and do things like

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that are the vast minority andget a ton of shade from
everybody else.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
So I guess what is optimal to them Should they just
essentially come in, registerthat they showed up to class and
then somewhere down the line,someone will hand them a piece
of paper that ostensibly wouldhelp them get a better job, like
what.
I guess my question is what'sclass to you then?
Like we start a conversation,we participate in that, like

(20:40):
what?
What is it you're not buyinginto here, and what is it that
you're here for then, I guess,is my chef's kiss this is the,
this is the aligned method,people, so you just peel it back
, all right, okay that's sofunny.
You're right.
You're absolutely right.
That's exactly me, because I'mlike that's fine if you're not
here for class what is whatyou're here for, so I can

(21:01):
understand what the fuck you'redoing.
But the other thing-.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
I love it.
I love it, I love it.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
It's funny Just today .
How we got there is too longand roundabout even for me, but
we got to the topic of themilitary and my son shared that
he feels like a lot of people inhis generation are saying, yeah

(21:27):
, am I doing that?
And um, I laughed and I saidone thing I really admire about
his generation he was born in 05, so I'm pretty confident he's
firmly z?
Um that they have no qualmsabout saying fuck this shit.

(21:47):
I love that.
I watched my parents domarriage and guess what?
I'm not sold.
Fuck this shit.
How about college?
Yeah, that whole thing aboutyou make more money, blah, blah,
blah.
We watch a couple ofgenerations ahead of us and it
turns out that's bullshit.
So you know what?

(22:07):
Fuck this shit.
Like they have a high fuck thisshit quotient that I admire,
but I would imagine that thereare moments when you have to
engage where fuck this shitmakes you want to choke them out
, like if you're that professor,because, like, that was not.
This is not the hard part.
People split yourself into fourbreakout groups.

(22:29):
This shouldn't be like the, the, the academic challenge of your
fucking week.
So can we?
Can we go?

Speaker 2 (22:36):
It is.
It is really fascinating, yeah,and how did we get into this?
I don't remember, but I knowthat we were talking.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
Oh, the Avengers, I think.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Oh, the Avengers.
Yeah, yeah, that wasfascinating.
That's where it led us downthat rabbit hole.
But we were talking a littlebit about, right before we
logged on, about just queuing upstreaming service episodes.
And who was it?
Was it you, boss, or was itcoach who was complaining about
it?
Was it you, boss, or was itcoach who was complaining about?

(23:06):
I think it was boss.
And then coach started goingyes, so, boss, what was your
take on that?

Speaker 4 (23:11):
Wait, sorry, say that again, Cause we've been so far.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
No, no, no, you were talking, we were talking
Streaming services.
Oh, jesus Christ, the actual, Ithought.

Speaker 4 (23:19):
See, here's the problem is that yesterday
morning, monday morning, one ofthem I up and I thought I need
to rewatch American Gods againbecause I haven't seen Matt
Sweeney recently enough.
American Gods was on Starz andthen for a while was also

(23:40):
available on Amazon Prime, andafter that I spent a good deal
of time wandering around theinternet asking streamers if I
could pay them money so that Icould watch seasons two and
three, or, sorry, one and two.
I was like I'll give it to you.
I have a credit card, I wouldpay $100 to watch this and no
place has it.
So that's extremely, extremelyannoying that I want to purchase

(24:03):
something that I know existsand I just have to go to YouTube
and like watch the same clipsof Mad Sweeney and Laura Moon
falling in love.
Fine, fucking fine, I'll dealwith it.
But what I was bitching aboutthis morning about streamers is
that the platform for Apple TVactually sucks a little bit, in
that they will say, oh, you werewatching this episode of Ted
Lasso, do you want to restart it?
I'm like, well, kind of, butcan I jump to the next one?

(24:25):
And they're like, nope, you'regoing to have to back out and go
to a different section and findall of the seasons and then
pick the episodes and then wewill send you down that line.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Yeah, that's really weird.
What the fuck?
Like the fuck.

Speaker 4 (24:39):
Netflix figured it out.
It out.
Netflix has it right.
It's like you're on the page.
Here's the show, here are allthe episodes.
It's one link.
We will keep playing for you.
If you want they figured it out.
Copy that shit and then putyour stuff on it.
Netflix already has the plan.
Just follow their plan.
It's one of the few times whenthe OG service did it right the

(25:00):
first time.
Sorry, myspace, tom, but wehave moved past you.
In this case, netflix is thestandard.
Just go with it.

Speaker 3 (25:08):
I don't think anyone has been more mistreated in the
history of frankly technologythan Tom.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
But I still remember his name, tom, and I would be
his friend.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
It's true.
As far as I know, I am stillhis friend and I should probably
go back and say hi, he actuallyran.
What we all want to pretend.
Facebook want to pretendbecause I don't think anybody
pretends anymore Facebook wasgoing to be.
It really was just like heyguys, let's just come home and
hang out.
Like all this time you've neverseen the expose.

(25:43):
Oh, tom trapped me in hisoffice, tried to fuck me.
Like you never see anythingcrazy about Tom.
Tom was just a good motherfuckerwho wanted everybody to come be
on the internet and put upweird graphics and tell you when
their show was.
I mean, it was just Tom.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
he's an American hero and I just think he doesn't get
his love any show, and you knowspeaking of Gen Z, I have seen
some, maybe not even Gen Z Idon't know where the
generation's actually cut offbut some kids younger than me
saying that they wished thateither Facebook or Twitter or
whatever else would allow themto customize their page by doing

(26:19):
things like adding a backgroundor playing a song.
When you turned on and I'm likebitches, bitches, we had it and
it was called MySpace andeverybody ruined it.
You don't know what you got till.
It's gone Exactly.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Joni Mitchell slash Janet.
You don't know what you gottill.
It's gone.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
And look at the people that society has elevated
in his stead.

Speaker 3 (26:43):
No, no, I mean seriously, Like really think
about that.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Like Bond villains, it is horrific.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah, no, terrible, terrible human beings.
And they have just made moneyhand over fist.
The pandemic was the best thingthat ever happened to their
bank accounts.
I'm sure that's true for theboth of you.
I know it's true for me.
It's unbelievable, it'sun-fucking-believable.

(27:12):
These people and that's whowe've got, and poor tom is a
punchline, like he just shows upand we're ready to joke about
the old days I, I will only see,I think that that's the only
thing is that for me it's alittle bit of a nostalgia that
I'm like.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I'll remember the early days of the internet, the,
the myspace and um the star geocities a little bit I didn't do
geo cities but I remember that.
I remember like I'm sorry superearly cracked was one of my
favorite.
There was like I think we'vetalked about early days of the
internet.
That is how I feel about it.
I'm like, oh, oh man, tom tomholds a similar place for me as

(27:46):
jonathan taylor, thomas whereI'm like that is one of the ones
that we should have stuck with.
That was a good choice.
Jonathan jtt was a good choicefor a crush.
We should have kept on thatroad as long as we're doing that
.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
I have a very strong opinion in terms of hip-hop.
I don't know how others willfeel about this, because it's
truly my own, and it is thisthere was a fork in the road in
the early 90s and one road ledto nwa and the other road led to
public enemy and hip-hop by andlarge, chose, chose the NWA

(28:22):
road and now Puffy's won it.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Yeah, I don't want to wade in too much because it's
not my lane, but I can'tdisagree with that.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
Well, I have an opinion on it as a white man
from the suburbs.
Let me just take a sip of mysangria here and tell you about
rap.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
This is super random, and why shouldn't the intro to
the show be 45 minutes?
But here's the thing Idistinctly remember, just the
way you said that about rap andbeing a white man from the
suburbs.
One time we were driving back Iforget which truck I had at
that point, but one of my SUVsI'm a big fan of the big old

(29:04):
SUVs and so Coach was in the carand I played this truck I had
at that point, but one of my,one of my SUVs I'm a big fan of
the big old SUVs and so Coachwas in the car and I played this
playlist I put together and itwas just, it was my I feel like
listening to some motherfuckingrap music today playlist and a
bunch of us in the car.
And I just remember Craig Mack,flavor in your ear, coming on
and coach just chuckling like,just chuckling like flavor in

(29:29):
your ear, like it was cool towatch someone who was unfamiliar
, cause I hear it and I've heardit a million times, but like to
just appreciate someone hearingthat phrase for the first time
and going well, isn't thatclever?
That was just.
It was great.
It was great, it was fun.
So just one of the great thingsthat's come out of um.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Uh, the internet.
Uh, one of the fascinatingthings about the internets that
the kids use um is I really, Itruly love this is when people
of one musical genre hearsomething, uh, you know, they
film it and it's like a guywho's like a brilliant pianist.
Here's a.
You know, here's some some youknow hip hop that he's never

(30:14):
heard.
Or you have like a couple of hiphop artists here Led Zeppelin
for the first time, or or or youknow, some guitar riff from
hard rock or whatever, and andif you're again, uh, curious and
not judgmental, right, watchingtheir face, they go.
Oh my god, like you see, I'mlike damn, it is so much fun to

(30:36):
there's an awesome one with twoblack kids watching, uh
listening to the beginning of umphil collins in the air at
night.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Or is that genesis?

Speaker 2 (30:44):
yeah, yeah, no, it's in the air.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, and, and, and, that's the classic yeah lose
their shit, like they lose the,and I'm like a hundred percent,
like my life has been such thatI'm very familiar with that
piece of music, but like thefirst time you hear that.
I think that's part of the funof it is, we're so removed from
when we first experienced itthat watching someone experience

(31:07):
it for the first time isamazing.
Um, yeah, but yeah, those are I.
I love all those.
I have memories of samedirection my buddy and I.
He, two black guys, two whiteguys sharing a quad, my freshman
year at yale.
One of the white guys, hisfamily's from Latvia, which I
didn't even know was a fuckingplace until I met him.

(31:28):
We're talking, and he hasjoined the Yale Russian chorus.
He comes home with a CD becauseI'm old as shit.
He comes home with this CD andhe plays it and Rodney, who's my
friend from Tennessee, who I'mstill friends with, by the way
lose our shit.
We're like, oh my God, thisshit is fucking hot.

(31:54):
We were like we would randomlysing sections of it, like I can
still tell you it went sung.
And we were like what the fuck?
If I had turned into a musicproducer, I promise you, for
better or worse, it might havebeen the least popular rap song
ever.
At some point I would have hadsome Russian chorus samples in a

(32:14):
track.
I just thought it was sogoddamn good.
And when in life would I haveexperienced it, except in a
setting like that where theyjust took a bunch of us and
threw us in a room and said,figure it out.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Oh, okay, sure.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
There's something about music being created that
way that I love so much.
Figure it out, put somethingdown, get to it.
I will say, as much as theinternet maybe has ruined some
things about life, uh, I lovethat.
It's also watching younger kidsdiscover, uh early, even to mid

(32:49):
, almost late 90s r&b,especially the stuff that didn't
get more popular.
Um, kristin stewart, the actress, recently did a day drinking
with seth myers and uh, a gayman on TikTok said I cannot
believe Seth Meyers gets to bein a lesbian relationship with

(33:09):
Kristen Stewart.
That was my dream, that is whatI wanted to do and it's very
funny and I love all of it.
That's great.
But at the end he sampled Swingmy Way by KP and Envy by KP and
Envy, which is fucking a bangerthat I had forgotten about.
It's so good and so that likeit's just all the other uh, uh,

(33:32):
uh, swv and like, uh, a bunch ofdifferent shit that I put on
YouTube and I was like, oh right, that one fucking slams too.
Like you kind of rememberMontel Jordan, but then you
forget about all the other shitand I'm like, oh, this is really
good.
This is the rest of my week nowI'm just going to watch videos
of suburban white kidsdiscovering, like, not even back

(33:54):
that ass up.
But when they do it's alwaysgreat, it's always a good one
anytime, anytime you discoversomething you weren't aware of.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Coach, you said you'd like that music from the
Russian Chorus.
Are you?
Are you familiar with thiscoach?
Just listen to this.
Tell me if you've heard thisbefore.

Speaker 3 (34:19):
I mean no, I don't know.
I mean, it sounds like thingsI've heard, but no, not

(34:41):
specifically Now.
Why should I know this one?
Because we're all on our way tomiddle earth.
It's just fucking awesome.

Speaker 2 (34:48):
Yeah, no, it's the main title theme from the video
game Skyrim, but it has a lot ofbasis in some of that music
you're referencing.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
I was told there'd be no rimming.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
This is a Ted.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
Lasso podcast we uh, I know we're an hour and a half
in.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Oh yeah, ted lasso right I want to, uh, I want to
tie everything up to say, uh,we're not making fun of, uh, gen
z um and and desexualization ofof material.
I'll give you an example ofsomething I think was really
well done a little show, uh,some of the people here are
familiar with a little showcalled Wayne, where there was
sexual tension for eight fullepisodes.

(35:32):
And then you get a kiss in themorgue and you go, oh my God,
but it didn't feel asexual, itdidn't feel like there was
nothing there, but it washandled so deftly there, but it
was right, you know, handled sodeftly, um.
And again, it doesn't feelcreepy, it doesn't feel, uh,
male gazey, it doesn't feel, youknow whatever it is not.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Yeah, not at all, and I'm glad you pointed that out,
because I think a lot of timesit can be sort of like.
I mean, we literally talk aboutmen scoring which um what are
we talking about?

Speaker 2 (36:05):
We're talking about what.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Men scoring like oh, he scored with her.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Oh, oh, oh yeah, we talked about this, yeah, yeah
yeah, so I mean it's.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
you know there's a lot to, there's a lot for us to
pay attention to here.
But what I really like aboutthe way it's treated in Wayne is
it's not a matter of piety,it's a matter of where they are
with one another and how theyfeel comfortable expressing how

(36:39):
they feel about each other.
And I'll say and I used to do awhole bit about the fact that I
started having sex too young.
I was 14, too young.
Maybe other people would go,not young enough, but for me it
was a bit young.
I was not Jamie Tartt, though Ithought I was, and so there's

(37:02):
something about using thingslike sex, like drinking, like
drug use, to signal I'm a grownup, I'm an adult, I'm mature.
And I guess one of the things Iwould highlight before we move
on from is what I like about GenZ is I'm going to put this
crudely intentionally they mayfeel they're ready to fuck, or

(37:25):
they may feel they ain't readyto fuck.
What they ain't going to do isfuck to prove to their friends
that they're grown.
Yes, as a rule, and I like thatAbsolutely.
I think different people aredifferent.
We mature in different ways,different relationships.
Who are you dealing with.
There's all sorts of variablesand I'm totally you know I'm not
going to tell anybody'sbusiness, but I'm totally good

(37:47):
with it and I've encouraged mykids to the point that they're
like, please, god, never bringthis back up.
You can tell me whatever, butthere's something I think really
powerful and much more matureabout going.
Yeah, I'm mature, that's oneset of things and there's a set
of things that I do and thosearen't necessarily like
one-to-one through life, likeone could never have sex and be

(38:12):
totally grown and I did not feelthat.
I felt like definitely part ofbecoming a man was going out
there and scoring.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Yeah, I love that you mentioned that, that you frame
it that way, especially all ofthe concern that too many people
seem to be showing the factaround the fact that Gen Z
apparently is sexless.
A lot of people are concerned.
I'm like I don't think you needto be concerned about a
teenager sex life in any way,shape or form.
I think we could not worryabout that.

(38:41):
Yeah, and there's that.
Yeah, yeah and there's that.
We can go to that topic.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
I don't want to break up what you're saying Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (38:49):
One of the things that I like to point out.
When people say we've becomesexless and that is definitely a
problem, there was a DeSoranoDeSorano.
It's the Amaretto AmarettoDeSorano, amaretto, amaretto di
Serrano there we go.

Speaker 2 (39:03):
Amaretto di Serrano, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Super classy.
And also the commercial wasovertly sexual in a very lame
way, like it is a woman at thebar who drinks her drink and
then the bartender goes to takeit away and she's like no, no,
no, no, no, and she needs totake the ice cube out of the
glass and like suck theremaining liquor off of it and
then put it back in the glass.
And it's supposed to be likeyes, she loved it so much that

(39:28):
she couldn't let a single dropget away.
But also they were using sex inorder to sell this liquor.
And I was like maybe the reasonthat the kids are sexless now
is because we made sex sofucking lame in the late 90s and
early 2000s that they're likethat's what my parents did.
My parents were weird, hornyassholes that used sex to sell

(39:49):
everything.
So we're gonna use sex fordifferent things, and that is
when we want to have sex withpeople like I do think that this
is just a basic.
The pendulum swung way too farand we were like sex is great in
every way, shape or form.
And now they're like I don'tneed to see naked women in my
video games.
I'm just trying to play tetris.
Like can we have something thatyou aren't overly sexualizing

(40:12):
in order to self like can younot commercially sexualize every
single fucking thing for asecond?
Can we have something?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
because it's actually what I love it.
It's actually not.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
But what if I want a romance?

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's kind of like a societal marketing version of
Tommy Cole's take on the TommyCole's take on on the strip
clubs Right.
I mean it's, it's, it's sayingwhat are we doing, by the way?
Yeah, why.
Why do I need, if it's amission to save the hostages,
why do I need, like anatomicallyimpossible, large breasts

(40:50):
swigging to and fro?

Speaker 4 (40:51):
yes, while that's happening, it's happening always
sunny, has this uh running bitabout?
God damn it.
I'm not gonna remember the namenow, but uh, uh, an action
movie where the main character,played by del flundering, uh
shows dom like it's.
It's a.
It's a regular 1980s actionmovie Thundergun, thundergun.

(41:13):
The movie is called Thundergunand John Thundergun has to drop
Dom or else the movie isn'tcomplete.
And I'm like it's fine to showdicks.
I'm fine with that.
It's fine to have sex in amovie.
Why do you need to have a veryexplicit sex scene in the middle
of an action?
Why is that a requirement?
What is it about thecommercialism of the time that

(41:35):
said that that is how we showadult movies?
That brought movies forgrown-ups.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
Men, men, men.
That's how you show he's a bighero.
Everybody wants to fuck him,and they will.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Floppy wieners floppy wieners floppy wieners, floppy
wieners, floppy wieners, floppy.
I love what you guys said.
It's great.
Gen Z is wonderful.
We shouldn't worry about thembeing burdened by proving what
big men and women they are, likeI did.
The reason I have four kids isjust to prove.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
I've had sex at least four times, that's everybody.

Speaker 2 (42:08):
It's quantifiable Baby making fool, that's one.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Baby making, that's everybody quantifiable baby
making fool that's one babymaking fool, not connected, but
fuck it at this point whenDaphne the whole story I'll tell
at some other point if Ihaven't told it but of us
finding out we were having twins.
It's hilarious and a study insome of the most basic

(42:30):
differences between Daphne andOrlando.
That said, she was not amused.
I didn't stop laughing for afull 48 hours and no, I'm not
kidding.
And so just thought it was thefunniest shit ever.
And so when Tech walked outafter informing us and she's
sitting there in absolute shock,I turned to her and said us and
she's sitting there in absoluteshock.
I turned to her and said I'msorry, baby, sometimes I don't

(42:53):
know my own strength.
I mean, she did not think thatwas funny.
I still think it's funny and mychildren are voting age.
I love it.
I still remember really, reallyselling it too, like I knew
before the woman left the room.

(43:13):
The joke, I had it.
I had it teed up, ready to go.
You're a strong and powerfulman that's what it's like being
married to me.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
There you go yep, it's just just a carnival ride
of delight.
I wanted to say let me knowwhen you kill Jason Bourne.
That's the line that buttholeTommy Cole said to the bouncer.
I've been laughing at it for aweek and a half.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, let me know when you kill Jason
Bourne to a guy who isshirt-shaming?
It's also humor.
That makes sense to me.
For a Tommy Cole yeah, likethere's a Tommy Cole.
Yeah, like there's a brand ofsarcasm that's like not low
class, because low class soundslike a judgment of who people

(44:02):
are.
But I kind of mean more likethe kind of guys who at some
point, like sat on a porch orsat on a stoop, or you know what
I mean like just that brand,like no, I didn't go to the
hamptons for the summer.
Yes, I know, and there'ssomething in that space where

(44:23):
that brand of sarcasm and likecultural reference really kills.
Like you, you can score majorpoints in a group by being able
to pull off a line like that.
That's a very funny joke,that's a very funny insult.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
It was great and so, without further ado, we begin
the final series of this TedLasso coverage.
This is I don't know if wenever knew if we'd officially
get there, but this is seasontwo, episode 12, entitled

(45:03):
Inverting the Pyramid of Success.
This is directed by Decaloniand written by Jason Sudeikis
and Joe Kelly.
When I went back to watch this,I watched obviously many, many
times now, but recently, lastnight I got it's funny because

(45:29):
we had a little break thanks tojust doing some Wayne episodes
and I was just filled withnostalgia and gratitude and
adoration for the characters.
We haven't been away from itthat long, it's been just a week
or so, but just coming back toTed Lasso been just a you know

(45:53):
whatever week or so.
But just coming back to tedlasso, um, and this is the point
I was bringing up in thebeginning that new people are
finding ted lasso and then, byvirtue of that, new people are
finding us, uh, and we get newbuttercups out of it and uh,
more, more wonderful people thatjoin our community.
Um, there are so many peoplethat are just listening and
lurking and are not gonna evermake their presence known, but
we know you're out there and wereally appreciate it and we love

(46:15):
that you've come to us throughthis show.
It's why we started recordingright away.
Right from the jump, we knewthis was important.
We saw it as a different thing.
Now we've harped on everypossible topic since then, but

(46:36):
it really comes down to the factthat this show is trying to be
different and look at things ina different way, and especially
in a world where we highlightthe fact that it's very
difficult to discern between thedefinition of what we would
perceive collectively asmasculinity without adding the
word toxic to it.
In this day and age, it's very,very difficult to define

(46:59):
masculinity without all of thebaggage that has come for the
last several thousand yearsreally, but in our lifetime it's
difficult.
It's difficult to say what anew masculinity looks like.
And Ted Lasso tries as best.
It does not always succeed.
I'll point that out.

(47:20):
There is engendered misogyny,even when it doesn't mean to.
I think the show makes mistakes,even though it tries not to,
which is, I think, one of theeven though it tries not to,
which is.
I think one of the mostcharming things about it is.
I was watching last night withJuliana at home and it was funny
to see her take on.

(47:40):
You know she's much moredistance from it than I do.
I basically it's been thebetter part of three years of
our lives where we've recordedand followed every episode and
tried to deconstruct everyelement of the show.
But it's fascinating howcaptivating it is, how its heart
is in the right place.
Generally, whether or not youagree with all of the episodes

(48:02):
and I know for those of you justjoining us and listening for
the first time Coach tends to bea true believer, coach Bishop
for the first time, coach tendsto be a true believer, coach
Bishop I tend to be somewhere inthe middle and Boss tends to be
a true lover of season one, andthen she will give praise where
praise is due for the other two.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I'm the Simon Cowell.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
That's how we're defining it.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
I don't think that's valid because simon cowell, you
know like his mandate is to be aday.

Speaker 4 (48:36):
Your man, you're nice , when you like something,
you'll call it out, yeah yeah,and also, um, he shows slightly
more cleavage than I do duringtapings.
But aside from that, like my hedoes, I'm staying.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
No, I know he's, he bothers me so much, whatever you
can imagine that a person thatsees the world like me probably
isn't thrilled about a personthat sees the world like him, so
I just I don't like puttingputting negative energy out
there.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
I don't like how he doesn't.
I like I talk to people.
I don't like who he thinks heis, whatever, just not my he can
you know again and again Ishouldn't be judgmental about
I'm just saying I just I don'tunderstand that that tactic
really bothers me.
But for the purposes ofentertainment I understand that
it's what you want to see.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
I don't know, I'm.
I'm here to shoot your darlings.
I'm here to kill your darlings.
That's, that's my role.
Whoever does that, that's me.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
Well, more than more, more so than anyone else on the
show for sure.
So that brings us to let metell you the trajectory.
We did all of season one.
We did most of season two.
We got to halfway through BeardAfter Hours, which is episode
nine of season two, and becausewe were being lazy and leisurely

(49:54):
and we thought, oh, you know,we have all the time in the
world.
Of course, you know, trying toget a coach to do anything is
brutal.
He's so lazy, Never hasanything going on.

Speaker 3 (50:02):
Wow, boy, last episode, now lazy.
Wow, yeah, wow now lazy, wow.
Yeah, I'm not wow he's about torename me coach DEI in a second
actually coach is one of thebusiest people in America at

(50:23):
some point I am going to sellyou all the way out, like I'm
just going to pull clips andsend it like to the nation of
Islam and just be like if hedies, he dies, no, no, if you
don't know about being sarcastic, uh yeah, no, it is.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
It would be daunting.
This I at least once an episode.
I say things like so thetakeaway is women shouldn't have
jobs.

Speaker 3 (50:44):
I mean, it's just like I say that it's the worst
the worst shit in the world, Iwon't yeah, it doesn't matter
what because it's fine, whatever, but someone who listens to
this regularly did kind of checkin with me, not kind of they.
They checked in with me.
Basically be like is uh, what'sthe story this guy?
Is he racist?

Speaker 1 (51:05):
I was like no, no, no , no, no, no, no, no, no, we're,
no, no no no, I was like no, no, no, no, no, no, we're fine.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
It wasn't like that blatant, but it was kind of in
the direction of like, should Ibe concerned about this?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
And I was like absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (51:18):
No, no, no, no, no.
They caught us.
They knew to ask me.
They caught us joking around,and so they were like oh no, no,
no, no, no, no, he is.
I am having all the fun in theworld.
Nothing horrifies this man morethan when I grab something like
that and twist it into a racistmoment.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Oh, I'm so sick I'm so sick that somebody had to ask
me Are you serious?
No, no, seriously, no, no, I'mtelling you because you're fine.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
That's why they checked with me, because they
were like I can't imagine youbeing buddies with a guy who and
I was like, yeah, no, but thatmeans they may have suspected it
, which is horrible.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
Which means it's horrible ugh.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
I gotta be faster to say it's okay, folks, it's okay.
Master Castleton's good to us.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
No, I'm kidding oh my god, don't say that, that's not
fun.
Oh my god if he could see yourface.

Speaker 3 (52:13):
You're like please, no, no, no no, no, I I bullshit
around, but castleton's good,castleton's good, he's good and
that's it for today, folks.
So we will yeah, yeah, thanksfor tuning in.
You heard you.
You heard the opening creditsmusic, so I hope you feel like

(52:33):
you got your non-money's worth,and there you go.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
All right, I'm going to try to recover as we do this.
That's a gut punch for me, Iwish.

Speaker 3 (52:46):
I hadn't said it then .

Speaker 2 (52:46):
No, no, no, no, no, I can feel it, I feel sick, no no
, no, no, I just yeah, no, no,no, no, I can feel it, I feel
sick.
No, no, no, no, I just yeah, no, no.
Anyone never gets the wrongidea Because it means there are
people.
Listen, one of the littlethings you learn when you work
online, as long as I have.
When you write an article, forexample, and then someone posts
a comment, you realize that'slike 0.01% of the readership or

(53:11):
anywhere between 0.01% and 1%,right?
So you have to take it with agrain of salt.
So if someone says, hey, Idon't like how you categorized
millennials, whatever, I'venever had that comment.
But I'm saying I'm justgrabbing anything.
I don't like how you're talkingabout women, I don't like it,
whatever, it is right, you go,oh, fuck it, it's 1% of whatever

(53:34):
.
And then you go, oh, there's amillion people who read this
article.
And you go, oh shit, but itsticks with me because, again, I
only want to put good out inthe world.
I try to.
Who was it?
Who was the comedian?
Who was it?
Who is the um comedian?

(53:54):
That said, I don't hate peoplebecause their race is the
stupidest thing to hate someonefor.
I hate them.
There's so many better reasonsto hate people than their?
Well, who was it that said thatin their race.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Yeah, I don't remember why.
I kind of remember that, I kindof remember the logic because
it made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Here it's, it's just I don't remember who said it
yeah, yeah, you just hope thatwe can get to a place.
Uh, I don't know if we'll do itin our lifetime.
Um, you know, uh butthole bobbycole gets thrown out of the,
out of the club.
Uh, the the uh bouncer who isis uh black, makes fun of his
shirt.
It's not he's making fun of itthat when I there's not a white
thing, it's like your shirt suckand he goes you're a shirt

(54:27):
shamer, and then he makes fun ofhis shirt.
It's not he's making fun of itthat there's not a white thing.
It's like your shirt suck andhe goes you're a shirt shamer,
and then he makes fun of theguy's tactical vest.
I didn't detect any racialelement there whatsoever.
It's just two people being likehey, fuck you, no, fuck you.
And I'm like that's a betterworld.
I, I don't know.
Like I just think it's.

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I don't know, I think it's justmean.
Like I just think it's, I don'tknow, I think it's just
whatever.
So, yes, I would hope thatthat's what we're putting into
the world, making fun ofeverybody equally, and hopefully
, you know.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
I thought about what you've said about both shows
Wayne and Ted Lasso in terms ofand I agree with you that that's
sort of like, hey, we're goingto have a person here, there's
going to be a security guardSure, it could be the standard
portly white guy, but what if wemake it somebody else?
Yeah, and I think there's a lotof value to that.
One of the things that, one ofthe things this show does that I

(55:24):
like, is, in doing that, itdoesn't lean, it doesn't feel
colorblind to me, which is itsown set of problems we can get
into some other time.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
Are we talking Wayne or Ted Lasso?

Speaker 3 (55:38):
Either Right, okay, Like the fact that you could
have that vibe in Ted Lasso butalso have the imperialism joke,
the fact that you could havethat go on in Wayne right.
But the fact that Orlando canwalk in and say I am Crystal's
kid, right.
He makes a sound bet thatthere's a Black woman in that

(56:00):
building named Crystal, or whothey call Crystal, right.
So the race is part of it, ispart of how they live.
They are full human beings.
I think a lot of times instories what happens is the gay
person is the gay person asopposed to some guy named jeff

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who you know loves this andhates that and doesn't root for
the local team and is gay, yeah.
Or it does root for the teambecause it doesn't give who the
local team and is gay.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Yeah, or it does root for the local team because it
doesn't give, gives a shit.
Right, exactly Right.
Yeah, it's woven in rather thanyeah.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
It's part of it.
Okay, let's get one gay person,one black person.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Yes, One angry woman, one nice one, yeah, yeah, all
the stupid.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Yeah, colorblind and having colorblind casting, and
it's sort of the come on.
When people say, when they'relike oh, I don't see color, I'm
like that's not the right,that's the, the sexism
equivalent of.
Um, of course I'm not sexist.
I definitely think women couldbe as good as men and I'm like
like the.
The fact that you think thatthat's the best way to frame
that is by itself really fuckingsexist like what, hey, if you

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guys, if you guys put your mindsto it.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Yeah, that's so fucking funny, sorry no, that's,
that's the entire point.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
Just if, if, even when you point it out to people
when you're like what if we hada system of valuing people's
actions that was outside of howthey compare to a different
gender, they're like well, butwomen can be tough too if they
want to, and I'm like great job,buddy, you sure picking it up
there somebody.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I saw somebody post that they're going to start
saying like a male coach, a malephotographer, a male, and I was
like you know what?
Thank you for that.
I don't know that I do a ton ofthat.
I know that I have not avoideddoing that and I am going to be
more careful.
But yes, I remember walkingaround.

(58:07):
Yeah, I was an African-Americanstudies major.
I've mentioned it twice in thisepisode, so I know coach is
going to kill me now, so that'son me.
But I remember walking aroundcampus and you know you start
learning and reading and seeingall this and I remember thinking
who the hell are white peopleto be equal to?
No-transcript.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Nor should you of sort of making the characters
the fundamentally importantthing and whatever race or
gender or identity is secondaryand everyone's just.
You know, one of the things Ilove about both of these shows
is that they all these memorablecharacters, my God.
And yes, maybe their sexualityis part of their identity, is
part of their persona, is partof whatever we learn.

(59:34):
Sometimes we know if they'restraight or if they're gay from
the get-go, Sometimes we don't.
I just love the sort of naturalflow of it for both shows and,
yeah, they both do an amazingjob.
Go ahead, boss.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
To what extent do you find the characters memorable
because the show title tells youwhat their names are?
I was making a joke about thefact that your favorite TV shows
just tell you who you'resupposed to be paying attention
to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
Ted Lasso.

Speaker 4 (01:00:07):
Wayne.

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
Wayne, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
As soon as you said it, I went huh, were you also
very into Bones and Castle, byany chance.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I did like Castle Monk, I did like Castle Monk.
There you go.

Speaker 4 (01:00:21):
Monk yeah, woman on Castle.
I don't know what Castlecharacter her name is.
Oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
God she is Whatever her character's name is.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Oh my God she is.
Whatever her character's nameis, doesn't matter in real life
I threw up in her bathroom.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
Okay, are you?

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
talking about Stana.
Uh-huh, Stana Katic yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
Stana Katic yeah, I went to high school with her
younger brothers and they had ahouse party and I threw up in
her bathroom.
Oh, she's the one I rememberyou mentioning this, yeah, no,
no, she's she is gorgeous it'sprobably I never met her in real
life, but deshaun, theo and theone I wasn't that close with,
marco maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
Yeah, definitely, I did throw up yeah, uh, castle
was a fun show show and had somereally cute dynamics and the
two of them, her and NathanFillion, were a thing and then
they weren't and you could telland it ruined the show.
I just hate whenever I seepeople date at work, I go no, no

(01:01:23):
, this can't end well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
I wish I could say it in Italian.
I had a friend who was Italianwho could say don't shit where
you eat in Italian, and I alwaysthought like, oh wow, sounds so
cool when you say it samemessage, though yeah, it's, it's
really something.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
we open up season 2, episode 12, inverting the season
of the pyramid of success.
We do open up with a littlelittle, some drama here and as
the episode starts, we're on infive seconds over black.

(01:02:02):
Good morning, it's Friday.
Glad to join us, I'm your host,jeff Stelling, here with Chris
Camara and George Kartrickrick,of course, the inestimable
george kartrick um played bybill fellows.
Uh, I, I just want to point outagain we talk, I get so
enamored with wayne and how manyamazing characters.

(01:02:23):
We just had bradley on likelike and we were talking about
reggie andgie.
I just love these characters somuch.
And on Ted Lasso, like I loveGeorge Karchuk.
George Karchuk is, it's notlike I like him as a person,
he's horrible, horrible.
But the acting job by BillFeltz, you just go, my God, it

(01:02:45):
is so spot on.
You know, it's just amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I agree, and one of the things I like about the
George Cartwright character ishis blissful ignorance of what
he is a part of.
Like he, I get the sense thatRupert knows out in the world.
He's a man of the world.

(01:03:11):
He understands that there arepeople who believe in things
like, you know, feminism, youknow.
I mean like he's aware of that.
But george kartrick, when heturned, when he says to rebecca,
whatever you need to get offyour ample bosom, which I I
remember just like recoiling inmy house, I don't know that he
fully gets why that is not thefuck okay, because that's his

(01:03:36):
boss.
She could have been about togive him a raise and she could
have fired him for that fuckingline.
So he doesn't get To him.
This is life, this is the wayit is.
He just kind of ambles throughit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
If somebody told George Karchak, if they said,
listen, I'm not trying to be adick, but you're a sexist and a
bigot, what would he say to them?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
Oh, it's just a laugh .
Come on, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 3 (01:04:05):
Everybody's so sensitive.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Yeah, something in that direction, yes, Right In my
day, as we head to the lastweekend of the season, we have
an update on those rumors ofchange at West Ham United.
Did you guys know at this point, did that land with you at all
or no?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
I mean, I didn't gather what it meant off the bat
.
I thought we were meant to leanin.
I didn't, but I don't know ifeither of you got ahead of it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah, or it could have just been a throwaway line
to introduce the segment, butfirst we turn our attention to
the championship and AFCRichmond, the club of our former
foul-mouthed colleague Roy Kentand Chris Chuckles.
The headline this morning isthe news that Ted Lasso left in
the middle of a Tottenham matchthis season, not due to stomach

(01:04:59):
problems but because of a panicattack.
Where we left off, of course,last episode to refresh
everyone's memory, this was atthe end of season two, episode
11 was.
It was midnight train ofRoyston that Trent Cram had

(01:05:22):
texted Ted saying yeah, just soyou know, I'm going to run this
thing.
I got it from an anonymoussource and, just to let you know
, the anonymous source wasWhoCoach.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
Nate the not-so-great .

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yeah.
So that's where we enter thisparticular episode, with a lot
of doubt around why Nate wouldhave done that.
Certainly we've talked abouthow we saw certain warning signs
leading up to this and we sawNate talking about oh don't you

(01:06:03):
wish you got the credit or youknow things like that, but did
any of us know he would?
I didn't think he would stoop,stoop to this low, um.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
So yeah, coach, go ahead no, I mean it was shocking
, and I I think it was intendedto be shocking like no matter,
because I think if he had saidsomething in a meeting or
whatever, you could havediffering opinions on whether,
like well, he frustrated.
This is such a violation that Ithink any person with a basic

(01:06:34):
sense of morality, even if theychoose the immoral path, would
recognize this ain't right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:40):
You would think, yeah .
So they got a little video ofTed running off.
And now these guys are talkingLasso appears to be leaving,
george Lasso's clearly beleaving, george Lasso's clearly
not fit to coach.
And Chris is sweet.
He says come on now, george, becompassionate, you know.
Come on now.
He says would Bill Shankly havea panic attack?

(01:07:01):
Would Brian Clough, would AlexFerguson?
He's listing famous PremierLeague coaches and they say, be
fair, no, of course he wouldn'tLook if your ship's being
attacked.
And and, um, your ship is beingattacked.
So now he's making a, anallegory about the?
Uh, the ship of state, or theuh sort of sort of head of the,

(01:07:22):
uh of the household, as it were,at a soccer, uh, soccer match,
and comparing these old gaffersto, uh, ted Lasso.
Uh, if he's just being tacky,run to the bridge.
You want to find a captainwhose brain works, not some big
girls blouse.
So first of all, there's a lotthere's a lot on plaque here.

(01:07:43):
When.
I I you want to find a captainwhose brain works, so to him,
somebody who is subsumed withanxiety to the point where it
causes them to have a panicattack.
An actual active breakdownmeans your brain doesn't work.

Speaker 3 (01:08:14):
That's how that fucking relic sees, sees the
world makes me crazy.
Um, well, also, I mean, thereare a couple things to it.
Um, george, calling me to do abit about?
Um, essentially about ptsd.
I forget the exact unfolding ofit and I'm not.
I don't want to pretend andruin it.
So if you get a chance to checkit out, do do.
I'll try to throw it into theclip into the community.
But anyway, he's talking aboutPTSD essentially and he talks

(01:08:36):
about how, over the years.
So it started out as shell shockand then there were like a
couple of intermediate phrasesand they get more nuanced, more
medical and, I'm sure some wouldsay, more soft.
And what I would argue to Georgeis I don't know who these other

(01:08:59):
men are and maybe they're juststeady, whatever, but they've
had their moments, whether theywould admit it or not.
And the fact that ted lassowent away and chose therapy as
opposed to gritness, tea throughit and drinking a lot, like

(01:09:23):
it's a whole revision of how anyof this works.
Even even the allegory hechooses is so steeped in
top-down, the single-man leaderLike no, there's a whole
motherfucking team on this shipand that captain's job is to get
the team to do what they'resupposed to do, like it's not

(01:09:44):
what's he going to do?
Like jump out and swim andnudge the fucking ship over.
No, like, so it's all so wovenin.
And then to bring in, not onlynow that your brain doesn't work
, but the worst, the worst thingI could say about you you're
like a woman.
I mean, it's just.

(01:10:05):
This is the old manhood, justneon lights, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Well and I know that I've mentioned before that if
Ted had gotten thrown out of thegame red carded, I guess,
because I do sports now If he'dbeen kicked out of the game
because he was yelling at theref too much, everyone would
have went 100%.
George Hartrick would have beenlike that's how you coach.
You get in there and you screamat the ref 100%.
George Hartrick would have beenlike that's how you coach, you

(01:10:32):
get in there and you scream atthe ref A hundred percent.
But because it was his panicattack, this was that he was
being weak and an unfit leader.
And he says in there about howhe'd be speaking German oh no,
that's coming up later.
Sorry, I'm going to hold off onthat, but there is a way in
which we have routinelythroughout history said you can
only accomplish these things ifyou are tough in these ways.

(01:10:55):
And then we have evidence ofpeople existing and doing things
difficult and brave in waysthat aren't what we have
prescribed and we say, oh well,they don't count.
Like all of the people, I'll sayvery quickly that Dan Savage
All of the people, I'll say veryquickly that Dan Savage, the
advice columnist and sexpositivity advocate, said that

(01:11:15):
when he was in high school themost badass guy that he knew was
a very tall, very flamboyantgay man with long hair all the
way down past the shoulders andhe would wear makeup to school
and he was like out and loudlyproud and he was like that guy
went to school every, went tohigh school every day in the
1970s as a gay kid and likepeople beat him up and they told

(01:11:41):
him he was a sissy and theycalled him all kinds of names,
but like he kept showing up dayafter day being who he was, he
was the toughest kid I ever metand I think that we never think
about it in that way that doingthings honestly and being
yourself even when it is risky,is braver than pushing through
and just doing what you need to.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
I would add to that because, yes, a hundred percent
and a hundred percent that thatguy is a total badass.
Um, love that.
It's very much in my ethos tobe like.
You're gonna have to whoop myass again tomorrow because I got
some new mascaras and you gofuck yourself.
Um, it's amazing.
I try to think back.
It is great, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
it's amazing you go.
Yeah, I just got some newmascara, so I hope you brought
your fighting fists, because, uh, I'm gonna look fucking
spectacular tomorrow.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
Wait, wait, wait till I can feel these bruises.
I've been, I've been work, I'vebeen waiting to work on that
technique.
Like it's unbelievable.
The courage is mind-blowing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:46):
It's, it's amazing and I'm like how did we ever,
what kind of a world?
Where was that not celebrated?
You know that guy shouldn'thave to defend himself ever a
hundred percent still it'sremarkable

Speaker 3 (01:12:56):
I.
I want to toss this in and I doit's, it's important and and
and coach knows I've.
You know, there are people inin in his life who I have jumped
in at certain points to be likeoh, anxiety, I got you.
Come on over and I'll say oneof the most powerful things and

(01:13:16):
Ted was in the process here, sohe wasn't quite there enough for
what we would hope would happen, which is that he could process
it right down the sideline Oneof the most powerful
distinctions for me has become Iused to think I'm doing this
work, this personal work, so Iwon't feel anxious anymore.

(01:13:39):
And now the big breakthroughthat I'm experiencing over, like
Taylor, really in a verypersonal, real way over the last
year is I've done all this work, so now I can be anxious.
I've done all this work, so nowI can be sad, I've done all

(01:14:01):
this work right, so I don't I,I've given up, and I find I
catch myself when I go the otherway again.
I don't fight the negativeemotion.
It saves me a ton of fuckingenergy and it helps make me more
sane because I'm not having aninternal fight about I feel

(01:14:21):
scared.
No, I don't.
Yes, I do.
No, I don't.
Yeah, I'm scared.
Now I am scared and I'm aboutto go do this thing.
Now I am anxious and I'm aboutto go do this thing.
Now I am anxious and I'm aboutto go do this thing.
And one of the things thatbothers me on a serious side of
the George Kartrix of the worldis they really don't know what
the fuck they're talking about.

(01:14:42):
But like, not just like in anemotional, like poetic way, like
in a medical, psychological,scientific way you don't know
what the fuck you're talkingabout and you speak with such
authority and you speak withsuch conviction that somebody
who's feeling anxious is verylikely to listen, because there

(01:15:05):
isn't a sure, there's a, there'sa safety that that, that's
perceived when someone says thisis what the world is like and
you do this and you do that, andthe boys should beat that guy
up because boys don't wearmakeup.
So fuck that guy, let's get himin the line and it's yeah.
Anyway, sitting with theemotion, like that sounds so

(01:15:28):
woo-woo, nothing has made memore powerful than that
development.

Speaker 2 (01:15:34):
No, it's huge.
Listen, as someone who wasdiagnosed with ADHD when I was
44, coach was 48.
I mean, we still have friendswho don't think it's real.

Speaker 1 (01:15:48):
Like who think the only reason?
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Oh, that's your excuse why you haven't done x y
or z.
I'm very successful, uh.
So you know, you gotta, yougotta find some justification.
So you're gonna chalk it up tothis imaginary thing, rather
than this is the way you know.
Your brain associates it and uh, the chemical uh work in your,
in your particular brain, butit's just hard for people to to

(01:16:12):
understand and it's very georgekartrick-esque, you know you
don't know you're talking about.

Speaker 3 (01:16:18):
There's a some people would be familiar.
There's a book, um, thinkingfast and slow I want to say
daniel climbing, but I mighthave I might be messed up the
name, but at any rate um,there's this concept of what I
see is all there is, and theGeorge Cartrix of the world live
that.
They embody that right.
So if I've never heard of ADHDbefore today, you can tell me

(01:16:43):
that a professional who hasstudied such things, who has
looked at studies of thousandsand thousands of people and the
actual physical reactions intheir brains when certain things
happen.
But I ain't never heard of thatshit, so it ain't so.
Right, you can show some peopleare intersex, some people are

(01:17:06):
blah blah.
Right, you can medically showthere's zero chance, even if we
just want to use physiology,that there are two gent, two
distinct and binary genders, andyou're still gonna have people
go look, that's just science.
You want me to play around andplay along with your.
It's like you're not playingalong with shit.
You just never seen this before, so you've decided, because you

(01:17:29):
haven't seen it, it doesn'texist.

Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
This is yeah.
It's like it's yes, it's the uhmedical equivalent of the east
india company.
It's like there's one way to dothings we're going to force it
down your throat.
We refuse to believe there's anyother way.
Um, yeah, it's brutal and andgeorge karchuk epitomizes this
um he says uh, you want to finda captain whose brain works, not

(01:17:56):
some big girls blouse.
And if you were curious aboutthat as an american, um, big
girls blouse, you look it up andit's wikipedia listed as a
british idiom, british englishidiom meaning ineffectual or
weak, someone failing to showmasculine strength or
determination.
It was first, according to youknow, just sort of a different

(01:18:22):
web search I did here websitecalled the Cut, where it says
the earliest written record wasthe 1969 episode of the British
sitcom Nearest and Dearest inwhich the character insults
another by calling him aquote-unquote big girl's blouse.
It's not something I wasfamiliar with.
I had to look it up.
I thought it was weird.
I think it's the Britishversion of saying take off your

(01:18:45):
skirt, nancy, kind of thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Yeah, or you throw a girl any of those things.

Speaker 3 (01:18:51):
Any skirt nancy kind of thing.
Yeah, or you throw like a girlany of those things any of those
lovely, anything thatassociates you with the woman.

Speaker 4 (01:18:55):
I would like to um in that vein, quickly shout out
I've talked about bob's burgersbefore, one of the best episodes
they've done fucking amazing.
Oh my god, I don't know why in2023, the producers on bob's
burgers wanted to absolutelyruin me, but they put out the
Plight Before Christmas and thenan episode called Amelia, where
Louise does a project on AmeliaEarhart.

(01:19:16):
It fucking kills me.
It's so goddamn good.
But when she's talking aboutAmelia and Amelia's plane and
the number of force, power andhow she made it bright, red and
she said Amelia didn't decide toget a bigger, louder plane.
In the same way that I don'thave to lower my voice to get

(01:19:37):
people to hear me, I could talkdown here, but why would I want
to do that?
And I love her so much.
I love everything about it.
But I also love that theypointed out very, very blatantly
that being loud is not the sameas being confident, and
confident is not the same asbeing right, and that you can do
things that.
But why don't you wear a biggirl's blouse?
They're fucking comfy.

(01:19:57):
Go ahead and fucking put.
Put a skirt on.
A skirt is great.
Do you know how much airflowyou get up there if you're
wearing a skirt.
It's phenomenal.
So like it's not just that weare saying that you need to
behave in these ways, but alsothat not behaving in these other
ways is to your own detriment.

Speaker 3 (01:20:15):
Like it's good, there's a duke basketball player
we just got for thoseunfamiliar for years and years
and years um oh, I know you'regonna say I love this, I love
this.
Yes I knew, yeah, I was sohappy when I saw it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I loved it and I love what his reaction to it.
Go ahead, please tell us.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
So there's a Duke men's basketball player a men's
basketball player, not a regularbasketball player, but who
basically signed a deal with anail polish company, right?
So, of course, the knuckledraggers are just fucking beside

(01:20:57):
themselves and I made themistake of reading the I don't
know.
It's a bit like picking at ascab, because there are articles
where I'm like you know what'sin the comments, oh yeah, yeah,
you already know you could writethe comment for them.
Why must you go down there andexperience this?
But I did and I did, and it wasvery upsetting, and I actually
responded to one particularlyloud mouth breather how fragile

(01:21:23):
is your manhood that it can beoutdone by less than an ounce of
paint?
I'm concerned, actually, aboutwhat this manhood you all speak
of is that it's this goddamnfragile that some 19-year-old
putting team colors on hisfucking nails is some signal of

(01:21:47):
the end of it.
Maybe it should go If it's thatfucking fragile.
Maybe it should go.

Speaker 4 (01:21:51):
If it's that fucking fragile, maybe it should go yeah
, I would like to personally formany reasons, but in this case,
think jeremy allen white.
There is a photo of himsomeplace that I came across
where his nails are paintedbright blue and I didn't know
that that was a thing for mebefore, that I didn't understand

(01:22:16):
that.
I liked painted fingernails inthat way, and then it was
straight out of community.
It was Dean Pelton going.
It's better not awaken anythingin me, and now it turns out
it's a thing that I like.
Now I am looking at the nailsto see if they're painted,
because I enjoy it.
So I don't know, maybe that'swhat they're afraid of.
All of a sudden, women willrealize that they want men to
actually take care of themselvesand decorate on occasion.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
That's all we're going to be good for someday,
when we were seeing each other.

Speaker 3 (01:22:43):
She did that.
She trimmed my nails and sheput clear nail polish on them.
And I still remember one of mybuddies noticing and she like
buffed them, like put clear nailpolish on them.
And I still remember one of mybuddies noticing and being like
you got nail polish on and meexplaining like I really did,
like I was fine doing it, andI'm sure I did it other times
again, but I definitely felt theneed to assure him like oh,

(01:23:05):
it's not, as you know, she washanging out with her and she
wanted to do it, so you know I'mgonna do that.
You know, like, as you make,she was hanging out with her and
she wanted to do it, so youknow I do that, you know like as
you make your voice deeper tomake sure that he knows oh no,
yeah, no, just so he understood.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
Yeah, no, hey man but I mean, you want me to touch
your penis or anything that'sthe whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Like, god, god forbid , your masculinity is impure.
It makes me.
I love this kid jared mccain ishis name, um and he's like, uh,
he puts it on social media.
He's like, sorry if thatoffends any of you guys.
It's like and then, of course,the public outcry and he says,
uh, he started out by by doingit because he did it one time

(01:23:48):
and then he had a great game andhe's like whatever, I'm gonna
keep going.
And uh, and he says a greatgame.
And he's like, whatever, I'mgoing to keep going.
And he says the hate is funnybecause it's usually grown men
most of the time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:56):
It's the saddest thing.
I'm like you don't haveanything else to fucking worry
about than some 19-year-olds.
And guess what, in ourgeneration it was earrings.
I still remember when I got Ihad the the left earring, but
then I got the right earring andI still remember my brother
very unsubtly suggesting in acar with him and me and my

(01:24:17):
father that well then, clearlyorlando's gay, yeah, like I just
remember, like the vibe andjust being like wow, so it's
always it's.
We have a real need to keepeach other in line and I
definitely think people arescared of psychological issues.
They're scared of mental issues.

(01:24:37):
So I think that adds to thewhole thing, because it's like,
if I can pretend it could neverhappen to me, I can say all
these things.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Their giant skill set is projection.
So whenever I see someone do it, I'm like, oh, you know, but
it's like you know, all the, allthe republican congress people
trying to fight, you know, fightfor quote-unquote family values
or fighting, you know, any kindof anti-gay agenda and being
caught in restrooms and you know, and other oh, you know, we got

(01:25:10):
to fight for family values andthey, they end up being arrested
for pedrooms.
And you know, oh, you know,we've got to fight for family
values and they end up beingarrested for pedophilia.
And you're like, okay, likeit's so obvious, like the game,
the playbook is so obvious nowthat if you're someone that's
going to lash out at this kid,you know it says more about you
than about him.
And I just love his.
Again, gen Z, love his attitude,he's totally fine with it.

(01:25:32):
He says, uh, most of the timeit's it's usually grown men Like
you're a grown man, just hatingon a kid Doesn't affect me at
all.
I just kind of laugh at it andI'm like good for him.
And also, on the point ofthrowing like a girl, um, when
this airs, I think you'll stillhave time.
Yeah, I think the day this airswill be the women's Final Four

(01:25:55):
Coach thankfully turned me on tothe Elite Eight in women's
basketball.
I hadn't watched women'scollege basketball in a long
time and holy shit, holy shit.
These women are unbelievable.
I'm just like it's such goodbasketball, it's such good and
it these women are unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (01:26:11):
I'm just like it's such good basketball, it's such
good and it's like, yeah, it'ssuch good basketball and I I'm
such a I have to admit I justreally I really enjoy women's
sports more than men's sports.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
I don't know why anymore.
I just enjoy the vibe orsomething I watch.
Anyone who listens this knowsI'm a watch a ton of women's
soccer.
I can tell you players on everysingle team in the world.
I can, you can pick a countryand I'll tell you who my
favorite player is.
And then I celebrate when thoseplayers, uh, you know, switch
teams and I know who the clubteams are.
And I cover it uh, you know,cover the women's world.

(01:26:44):
I cover every major tournament,uh, in the world.
I love it so much and it it'sso much fun to watch and so it
was just great to see just thelevel of play and also like
there's some superstars thatyou're just like I don't
understand what she just didwith her body.

(01:27:05):
Like I watched it.
I'm like I do not understandhow that ball got in there.
Your arm shouldn't bend thatway and I'm just like it is.
It is the level of athleticprowess is stunning and it's so
great to see and I'm so thrilledthat it's easy to find on

(01:27:25):
television.

Speaker 1 (01:27:25):
It wasn't like I had to search for it, like once upon
a time.

Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
You know, the only thing I struggle with now is
finding asian uh women's soccergames.
That's really the hard like.
If I want to watch uh teamjapan, it can be a little little
daunting, but even now, youknow, I watch uh.
You know different, differentleagues in Europe of women's
soccer and you can generally getit on YouTube.
There's a couple channels whereyou can get it, but this is all

(01:27:51):
just in our lifetime.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Soon you'll be subscribing to X League.
All of you.
All of you, that's right yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:58):
It's so interesting.
All of you that's right, yeah,Well, it's so interesting
because so many women's sportshave.
Women's soccer is the fastestgrowing sport in the world and
it's not close for people.
I've referenced this before.
But just the Euros.
Forget about the Women's WorldCup.
The Euros championship sold outsix months before anybody knew

(01:28:25):
it was.
At Wembley stadium holds 96,000people.
The championship game, which noone knew who would be in the
finals, sold out six monthsbefore the, the day that the
game would be played.
Uh, in 24 hours.
They sold 96,000 tickets in 24hours.
Sold 96 000 tickets in 24 hours.

(01:28:45):
Like if lest you have, have youmissed the boat on women's
soccer?

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
it it is gigantic, um oh yeah, now that one's gone, I
mean openly this year, men andwomen, people on different
networks, um people on socialmedia roundly have said,
starting out far more interestedin the women's basketball

(01:29:08):
tournament in terms of MarchMadness, far more and, if
anything, that's intensified.
So many dudes I'm aware ofposted some version of do not
bother me, on Monday night I'llbe watching the Elite Eight Like
in my lifetime.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
That would have been an insane thing to hear from any
guy, like for anything, thewomen's basketball tournament,
which I fully admit I'm not intocollege sports so I didn't
watch, but I do know.
Not only did they make moremoney than the men's games, but

(01:29:50):
it was such a big deal that theyhad to mention it on.
Wait, wait, don't Tell Me.
Sports did so big that theytalked about it on NPR and
therefore a nerd like me talkedabout it on NPR.

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Wow, yeah, and therefore no, that is no,
seriously yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
Therefore, a nerd like me heard about it.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
Yeah, no, it's an astounding it's a cultural shift
.
That's incredibly important.
And one of the things thatdrives me nuts with professional
women's sports is the, the paydisparity, and that there's
always some guy, um, who hasstacked up the arguments of,

(01:30:29):
well, their game just doesn'thave as many fans.
And I laugh when I seesomething like this, this whole
March Madness situation with thewomen's tournament, because I'm
like how big of a headstart didmen's sports have?
Like literally, women werepunished.
I can post a picture of a womantrying to run the Boston

(01:30:52):
Marathon being attacked by a manand another group of men having
to tackle the man who wastrying to physically stop her
from running the marathonbecause women couldn't run
marathons, which you would thinkyou'd just wait for her to pass
the fuck out, if you reallybelieve that.
But whatever, and so I justthat man was a visionary.

(01:31:16):
The man that tried to tacklewas a visionary because he knew,
he saw it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
He's like holy shit.

Speaker 3 (01:31:22):
Once they figure out they can finish this marathon,
we are if you.

Speaker 2 (01:31:25):
Let him run you pretty soon you're gonna be
watching, uh, the elite eight,uh, listen jason sudeikis
himself was at the game yes, uh,big iowa, big iowa fan and
listen.
If you may not be a sports fanwe know we have a huge
percentage of women who listento the podcast and are listening

(01:31:46):
to the audience but just doyourself a favor Watch, Go to
YouTube, Get Caitlin Clarkhighlights.
Paige Bickers highlights.
Judy Watkins is a freshman atUSC it's crazy.
I do not understand themechanics of her body.
I watch her.

Speaker 3 (01:32:04):
She scores points like whatever I told Daphne.
A year ago she was at prom.
We're watching her dominatecollege athletics.
A year ago she was at prom Tohave that composure.

Speaker 2 (01:32:18):
on that level she's a freshman, anyway.
Whatever it's total fanboyingon that level she's, she's a
freshman, anyway.
Whatever we're we're we'rewe're fan is total fanboying.
But but it's it all.
all of the tropes about throwlike a girl, fuck you like I
wish I could throw these girlsare amazing, um, so so, yes, uh,
that is something that uh fliesin the face of a?

(01:32:38):
Um has been like georgekartrick, who just is not with
it, and and everything he sayshighlights that uh, so in real
life, an actual example of thisis uh.

Speaker 4 (01:32:51):
What I do know about the the tournament is that last
year there was a media dust upbetween angel reese and caitlin
clark.
We made it a much bigger dealthan they did.
The players were all like youdon't know what the fuck you're
talking about.
This is fine, this isabsolutely nothing.
And so then, after they playeda game, they gave each other a

(01:33:12):
hug.
This year, they knew thatpeople were going to be watching
for shit and they also knewthat they needed to make sure
that everybody knew that shitwasn't going to happen.

Speaker 3 (01:33:21):
That was really smart .

Speaker 4 (01:33:22):
Extremely smart, showing that not only do they
know what they're doing on thecourt, but they are media savvy
off the court.
Like again, the kids are allright, they know what they're
talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
I just can't believe women show emotional maturity.

Speaker 4 (01:33:34):
That's shocking, All right all right, no, no, no, no.
That is exactly what I wasgoing for.
I was about to say that, butactually in real life, on
Twitter, I think it was BenShapiro.
It might have been a differentasshole If it wasn't Ben Shapiro
himself.
It was, you know, likeinterchangeable asshole here.

Speaker 2 (01:33:53):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:33:53):
And that's a t-shirt I want.
But he said underneath a clipof the two women hugging that's
funny, of the two women hugging,that's funny.
Um, uh, caitlin clark is uhbetter than I am.
That could never be me.
And somebody's immediateresponse was yes, ben, we know,
you don't know how to playbasketball I was like, yes,
that's phenomenal.

Speaker 3 (01:34:13):
That's phenomenal because also like, and I like we
get really gone to the weedsand I will not, but all this
complaining about what?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Angel Reese, who is black did to Kaitlyn Clark, who
is white.

Speaker 3 (01:34:26):
I'm like what the fuck is everybody talking about?
And I'll have my opinions onsports, if nothing else.
And I'm like nothing happened.
Kaitlyn Clark trash talks.
She lost the championship game.
She got trash talked.
That's how it works.
I've been on a lot ofbasketball courts with a lot
less at stake.
If you talk shit, people aregoing to talk shit to you.

(01:34:47):
It's not that deep.
It's fascinating to me howpeople are getting into this
conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:34:55):
That weak-minded bigots have a radio and TV
platform.

Speaker 1 (01:35:01):
You just go who gives a shit.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
I just don't care what these fucking clowns have
to say.
Sorry, I should be curious, notjudgmental.
No, no, no, not in this case.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
We will discuss that.
In fairness to Ben, I doremember that when MJ and Magic
Johnson were having theirrivalry, everybody made cat
noises around them.
The know the whole time.
They're like, oh, I wonder howthey're gonna get along as real
people off off of the court.
They obviously they were mortalenemies who hated each other

(01:35:35):
and there's just no way theycould be in the same room
together ever.
That's that's how the mediaplayed that they always, they
always do it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:43):
It's just people are so disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:35:45):
They're so disappointed when I remember
like when tom brady and peytonmanning were like joking around
and uh, like somebody caught iton a video, and they're like,
wait, what, they don't hate eachother.
Like dude, they have more incommon than you have with either
one of them.
Like what?
Uh?
Uh, I mean, yeah, it's peopleare people are nuts.
Um, eminem just put out thisthing, uh, talking about Trump

(01:36:09):
fooling his base, and he's likewhat did they think they have in
common with a billionaire?
He gives a shit about them.
The least.
I just don't.
I don't understand.

Speaker 3 (01:36:17):
And you're like thank , and you're like thank you If
you were in a conversation withsomeone and they said to you my
favorite thing about you is thatyou're uneducated.
Now, I'm not saying you shoulddisrespect somebody because
they're uneducated.
I am far from saying that.
I know some folks who didn'tgraduate from shit, who I would
go to for all sorts of wisdom,but it is problematic for a

(01:36:44):
person to say to you my favoritething you, you know why I love
you, because you don't know muchyeah, yeah, it's what it's,
because in that case, uneducatedisn't even.

Speaker 4 (01:36:52):
This, isn't even sort of one of those.
I didn't go to college becauseI wanted to learn other things,
or I wanted to do other thingsright.
What he means is gullible whatI like about you is that you're
gullible, and that isn'tsomething that a person who
respects you says this this is.

Speaker 2 (01:37:05):
This is talk about being polar opposites.
The entire we talk about thisjourney that we've been on with
ted lasso.
The best thing that's come outof it are the buttercups are is
the listener community arepeople who are really engaged
and really care and really smartand and are totally invested in
all the topics that we talkabout.
Um, it's the opposite of that.

(01:37:25):
And and why would you wantanything?
But can you imagine if we'relike oh, our listening is a
bunch of dummies?
It's the total opposite.
The, the introspection and the,the desire to make up the world
a better place, and and all thewonderful qualities that Ted
Lasso promotes, is what broughteverybody here.

(01:37:47):
I just don't get thealternative Strange.

Speaker 3 (01:37:50):
So I've been for a number again, a number of
reasons, but I ended up watchinghow to Become a Cult Leader,
which is a Netflix documentaryabout cult leaders, and it's
very interestingly done becauseit is presented tongue-in-cheek.

(01:38:11):
Obviously they don't want youto kill people, uh, or have them
kill themselves, but buttongue-in-cheek is presented as
like a primer, like so you wantto be a cult leader?
Huh, well, you got to make sureto do this and don't do that,
which I thought okay clever, youknow, like, all right, you know
, how do you, how do you tell us, in a way that might be a
little unexpected, totally gotit so, um, so, one of the things

(01:38:36):
that was how much energy isdevoted to eliminating
individuation.
Right, dress like this.
We all do this, we all eat this, we all go here, we all say

(01:38:58):
this.
This is basic tribalism.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
Nos versus them.

Speaker 3 (01:39:00):
Right and it's right, it's basic tribalism, us versus
them, right, and it's an activeerosion, right, of any
individualism.
And if you think about brownshirts, if you think about right
like there's all sorts ofthings that we do, like that
Great, great, great great, aswe're all wearing the same
jersey, right, right.
And I think I've had more thanone person in my lifetime

(01:39:21):
sometimes jokingly, sometimesjust talking about life say to
me like you can start a cultabout me, and I'm like I get why
they say that Other people havesaid, oh, you'd be a good
preacher, you could start achurch.
My grandfather started twochurches, right, so I get why
people say that to me.
But here's the thing about methat means, as far as my
understanding of how starting achurch works, why me starting a

(01:39:44):
church would be a horrible idea.
My goal is to free you.
If there's something I reallyhave in common with Ted Lasso is
I don't want you to be me.
I don't even want you to be whoI need you to be so I can get

(01:40:05):
where the fuck I'm going.
I want you to realize you fully.
I want to free you.
And George Kartrick doesn'twant to free you.
George Kartrick is like men dothis, women do that, don't mix
it up.
No nail polish, blah, blah,blah.
Like the people in the story whoopened up what it can mean,

(01:40:28):
like George Kartrick also he, Imean, we know that it was kind
of a mistake, but he never getsto having the magical experience
of Ted Lasso as a coach in anypart of his life because all he
can see is a coach looks likethis and a coach talks like that
and a coach right.
But what happens when we openup like okay, sure, or what, how

(01:40:55):
would Ted Lasso coach a premierleague football team?
And that's what I work with my,my clients, with a lot.
From very early on, before Ieven had a client, I knew that
one of our philosophicalstatements was we don't want to
find the right strategy, we wantto find the right strategy for
you.
And a lot of this talk aroundgender and all these things and

(01:41:19):
boxing people in, I'm like no,no, no.
I just feel like that's a ruleof thumb you could take with you
is if you feel less free, getout of there.

Speaker 2 (01:41:34):
Yeah, the worst cult ever is the cult of Coach Bishop
.
Everybody's got to do it.
Everybody's justself-actualizing all over the
place and leaving and travelingthe world.
This is awful.
I love that your grandfatherstarted two churches.
One wasn't good enough.
Yeah yeah, we're going to haveto hear that story someday.

(01:41:55):
I don't know about this firstone.
How fucked up are we?

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
They're off the rails .

Speaker 2 (01:42:09):
All right, they're all thrilled, all right.
Well, so so we get a, we get anight.
All that we're saying aboutgeorge karchick is is
encapsulated by chris kamara,who says I miss well done.
Yeah, I miss right, um, whichis which we all miss roy on that
show.
He was, he was, uh, he was just, he was just great.

Speaker 3 (01:42:22):
Jeff Stelling.
But even that right.
He was like I'm not going to bea commentator, I'm going to be
Roy Kent and I'm going to.
That's what Roy Kent as acommentator looks like.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:42:32):
You're Roy fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Kent, right, you're not just this, this pundit that
you know, empty baloney.
All the time, platitudes withnothing behind it.
How the fuck are we supposed toknow what they're going through
?
He probably 17 years old.
He probably went home and had awank, like how the fuck right,
how is he supposed to know?
Um, and then we cut to where weare in the uh, the flat of ted

(01:42:56):
lasso one, uh, ted lasso, if youguys remember, remember that
gentleman, and he's listening tothis whole thing.
And oh, is it Jeff that said Imiss Roy?
I'm sorry, I said it was Chris.
I'm very sorry.
It was Jeff who said I miss Roy.

Speaker 3 (01:43:15):
Yeah, directly to camera.
It's very yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:17):
Really good, really good.
Um, we get the uh, the, the uh,wonderful shot of uh ted
sitting down with, um uh, likethe giant weed, a mix chunk or
whatever that comes out, onechunk of cereal.
Uh, it's a great gag.
Uh, boss, were you gonna saysomething about that?

Speaker 4 (01:43:37):
oh, and no, just that .
I definitely used to eat thegiant shredded weed pillows like
, not the little ones.
The bigger ones were betterbecause they were softer somehow
, while still being crunchy theyweren't as stale.
The smaller ones get stale.

Speaker 2 (01:43:52):
I haven't been to Europe for a while, but I
remember traveling Europeextensively when I was younger
and you would find theseeverywhere, those big.
I thought they were good,whatever, oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:44:02):
Yeah, they were bad.
We had those in Chicago.
You don't need to go to fuckingEurope for that, they just had
them at the Jewel.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
Oh, yeah, yeah, of course, the Jewel I love the
Jewel.
Now Ted is sitting down with a.
It looks like to me he's got abottled milk, which I'm like oh
is there?
Is there bottled milk deliveryLike glass bottled milk in?
That's really fancy you can getit here.

Speaker 3 (01:44:23):
I assumed that was a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Yeah, I don't know.
Our friends in the UK will haveto tell us.
I know that when they used tosay we were growing up, they'd
say the food pyramid, which hasbeen utterly discredited.
But they used to say abreakfast of juice, toast milk
and blah, blah, blah and juice,toast milk and uh and uh.

(01:44:46):
And then it was a thing in myfamily where we would be like my
mom.
My mom would always be like donot mix acids and dairy, like
that's insane people who drink.
Um, that's only just us.
Huh, okay, that's funny, I want.
That's why I brought it up.
Um, it's not just her.
I've heard it like in in manyplaces where like do not drink
juice.
And it's not just her.
I've heard it like in manyplaces where like do not drink
juice, and it's like beer andliquor, like they're not good in
your stomach.

Speaker 4 (01:45:06):
But okay, that's not, that's just yeah, what sort of
like your Greek constitutionswill not allow for that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
I think it's mostly the the, if I had to guess
there's.
So there's a high percentage oflactose intolerant people in
Southern Europe.

Speaker 4 (01:45:23):
And southern europe and I'm guessing, you know, I'm
guessing it's mostly the milk,but this might shock you but the
irish can drink motor oil andbe fine.
I mean we like made whiskey.

Speaker 3 (01:45:29):
So obviously we don't care about ourselves and our
bodies I mean motor oil, a wholecar bomb, am I right?

Speaker 4 (01:45:37):
yeah, although jesus christ apparently we need to
call him something else now, butI will say I'm the racist one.
I will, I will.
I will again mention one of therules that the boyfriend came
up with was if they are visibly,visibly Irish or Italian, it's

(01:45:58):
okay to hate them.
In those cases it's fine.
That's a very, very specificthing.
Wow, If you could tell they'refrom the Jersey Shore, you could
be like, oh okay, you don'thave to hate them, but it's fine
If they have a blowout.

Speaker 3 (01:46:13):
If you do, then we'll just roll with it.

Speaker 4 (01:46:16):
Conan O'Brien you're allowed to be racist against
Conan O'Brien, that's fine.
He is 100% Irish.
People in Ireland are not 100%Irish.
You can make fun of that,motherfucker.
It's fine.
It is the last bastion ofracism.

Speaker 2 (01:46:32):
Irish and Italians.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
It's true, conan O'Brien.
I want to come back to thatItalian thing, because last
football season some shit wentdown that I thought was amazing.
But Conan O'Brien is so awareof the dynamic you're describing
and leans into it so fuckinghard oh, he is his he may be the
first man at Crush Brunch Imight put it out there maybe

(01:46:59):
he's so god damn funny.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
if you get a chance to watch him visiting, I might
put it out there.
Maybe His sense of humor is sofunny.

Speaker 3 (01:47:01):
He's so goddamn funny to me If you get a chance to
watch him visiting Alvin Ailey.
Okay, I mean, you just have towatch it.
I could describe it, but whywould I ruin something that is
perfect?

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Share it in the community site.
But also we did talk about last, the Italian of what we talked
about it on the show.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
I think we must have.
Oh did we?

Speaker 2 (01:47:28):
New York giants who oh?

Speaker 3 (01:47:30):
my God, and they would just like him.
And all over sports mediaPeople think he's like really
stereotypical comments and I waslike we're good with this and
it seemed like I guess we'regood with it, Like no one I
didn't see a single think piece,nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
I was like wow, like, I mean really like cringe
inducing comments, and no onegave irish and italians, the one
bastion of racism left whereyou can just make fun of ir and
Italians.
I'm not advocating it, I'm justsaying that's the.
For some reason.

Speaker 4 (01:48:05):
It seems to be it feels like in this different way
, especially the fact that inthe US the Irish and the
Italians have done fairly well,especially in bigger cities.
Boston and Chicago is where theIrish and the Italians come
from.
It's just who we are.
It feels a little bit more likeCastleton you one time
mentioned, like a platonic ideaof making a racial joke that

(01:48:29):
isn't racist.
We're like if you say this issomething that everyone from
Iowa does and you could somehowtake any negative connotations
out of it.
If it's like Italians lovemeatball subs, well, well,
there's no danger to that andthere's no degradation to that.
That's like the irish shouldn'teat so many potatoes and we're
like, fuck you, we fucking loveour potatoes, we'll eat whatever

(01:48:50):
the fuck we want.
So I I do think that in thesetwo cases, when it's like a
mario, mario and luigi joke,it's so harmless that you're
kind of like, no, that doesn't,nope, nope, no, you can't, you
can't actually be upset aboutthat.

Speaker 2 (01:49:06):
Yeah we got to get to the point, that's the point we
got to get to Go ahead, Coach.

Speaker 3 (01:49:10):
No, no, I'm going to confess like full ADHD now.
But you mentioned potatoes andthat made me think potato famine
and this was something I saw.
I'm serious that I saw thatreally blew my mind and I wish I
could remember who said it.
I'll try to find it.
But they said well, first ofall they I saw the explanation
of the potato famine wasn't justsome like natural thing that

(01:49:33):
happened, like that was done itwas done to the irish and then
someone said about famine moregenerally we say famine because
it rolls off the tongue mucheasier than genocide.
Yes, and I was like I need amotherfucking nap.

Speaker 1 (01:49:50):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:49:51):
Because I couldn't think of a single instance in.
I'll put it this way during mylifetime, I'll put it I'll
create that border for myselfwhere that wasn't true, where
clearly there's enough foodglobally and somehow we're
watching flies land on people'sfaces and and and acting like we

(01:50:12):
feel sad, but not quite sadenough to not let it happen.

Speaker 4 (01:50:18):
Yeah, yeah.
And just to be clear, in casenone of the listeners are fully
aware, when we say that thepotato famine was done to
Ireland and there was a potatoblight, but then England was
like, hey, ireland, give us allyour food.
And Ireland was like, well, wedon't fucking have any.
And they're like yeah, send usall your sheep and all your food
and give us some money and youguys don't have anything, but

(01:50:41):
that's not our problem.
You still need to send us allthat.
So it was.
There was an actual diseasethat affected the potatoes, but
then everything else after thatwas man-made.
So you can't just be like, ohthe poor irish, what bad luck
it's like.
Well, being massively oppressedisn't actually bad luck.
That's a systemic thing.
Yeah, tough break.
No, tough break.

(01:51:01):
Tough break us.
Uh, trying to kill your peopleoff, that's uh bad luck.
That's a systemic thing.

Speaker 3 (01:51:02):
Tough break, tough break us trying to kill your
people off.
That's wild.

Speaker 4 (01:51:08):
And one fucking last thing before we move any further
.
The thing that I've seen a lotis, especially online, people
saying the Irish were slaves,and you don't see them
complaining about it.
Number one not in the same way,Not the same thing.
Let's not compare that.
Number two not in the same way,Not the same thing.
Let's not compare that.
Number two have you met anIrish person?
Have you met an Irish Americanperson?
It is fucking all they talkabout.

(01:51:30):
They talk about it all thegoddamn time.
We talk all the fucking timeabout how much we hate England.
I don't know my grandparentsLike I fucking don't know
anybody that was injured by theEnglish, actually but my family
will still bitch about them.
So, anyway, that's it.
It's everything I got to sayabout the Irish.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
Okay, love it.
So Ted is watching this, turnsit off.
His phone dings right away.
I love this because right away,it's his foundational support
structure.
Rebecca, aka DeBoss.
Ted fuck the haters.
Call if you need anything rightaway.
It's his foundational supportstructure.
Rebecca, aka Da Boss.
Ted fuck the haters.
Call if you need anything rightaway.

(01:52:10):
8.11 in the morning.
We see right on his phone thisis great.
We get an audio message from DrSharon.
Oh yeah, I got to waste my timelistening to you because you
can't fucking type Dr Sharon.

Speaker 3 (01:52:23):
Typical, typical selfish.
Dr Sharon maneuver, I was justtalking about you and the audio
messages the other day.
I think it's phenomenal.
We should do a special episodeanyway, go ahead I can't take it
.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Coach, sends me audio messages um dr sharon, um ted
presses play, holds it up, uh,just sitting by himself at his
table.
Hi ted, remember, the truthwill set you free, but but first
, what will it do, coach?

Speaker 3 (01:52:45):
First, it will piss you off.
That is grounded in philosophy,and I'm going to find the right
quote, as one does.
I watched a two and a half hourdocumentary on the history of
philosophy for the past 2,500years over the weekend and it
came up, and I will rememberwhich famous philosopher put
that idea forth Love it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Thank you, coach, I'm here if you want to talk.
Good luck this weekend.
Dr Sharon says, and if youremember, he stole her move last
episode.
He chewed and screwed, so tospeak.
He left her with a beer withshit in it and may make it for
her.
There's one without any shit init, um, which is so funny.

(01:53:29):
Um, then we get um, uh, lastly,uh, ted is he's about to go
pour some, uh, some some of hisbottled milk.
Glass.
Bottled milk just seems likesuch a luxury.

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
It seems like such a I looked it up as of 2023, it
was a declining thing, but a.
Thing.

Speaker 4 (01:53:52):
Would you prefer your milk in bags, the way that the
Canadians do?

Speaker 2 (01:53:59):
We'll need Jeff to yeah.
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:54:02):
King of the Buttercups to confirm that you
got the?

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Oh, you put the milk there in the bag.
I've never actually I didn'tknow the Canadians put the milk
in the bag.

Speaker 4 (01:54:14):
I choose to believe that it can't possibly be true.
I need it to be debunked.

Speaker 2 (01:54:19):
For me, it can't possibly A bag, jeff Send up the
bat signal for me it can'tpossibly A bag A bag.
Send up the bat signal for Jeff.
I don't know.
Once upon a time we used to,when I was a kid, we had milk in
bottles and it was like a fancything that we got.
It wasn't like actually.
I think it was cheaper that waysomehow, and we would recycle

(01:54:40):
the bottles and it was a betterworld, better world.
Ah God, I wish we could makeAmerica great again.
Oh, all that nostalgia.
It's such a drug, no, but itdid.
But milk and bottles, it tastedbetter somehow.
But so Ted goes to pour andthen he puts it back down
because his phone dings and, loand behold, who is it?

Speaker 4 (01:55:01):
boss Michelle saying hi, puts it back down because
his phone dings and lo andbehold, who is it A boss,
michelle Saying hi, ted saw thenews hope you're okay, right,
michelle Lasso?

Speaker 3 (01:55:09):
I think it's so powerful that he has three the
three women in his life is thatsupport network you mentioned.
This is huge and we sort ofwatched by season how they play
through.
You know, through the seasonshow they play into life.

Speaker 2 (01:55:22):
It's a big deal when you, when you can ice, like,
when you understand whatrepresents your foundational
structure in your life and foranyone listening, take a step
back and think about yourfoundational structure, just say
, like, who are the, the keyplayers uh, in my life?
And and um, it says a lot.
What's interesting is Ted stillhas not, he's still struggling

(01:55:47):
with Michelle being the keyfoundational support and so.
But even in the course of this,we see how that plays out.
So, boss, walk us through this.
What does he text?

Speaker 4 (01:56:00):
He immediately texts knock, knock, because why
wouldn't he?
And she, of course, answerswho's there because she's
willing to play along.
And then he writes you're up.
And she says you're up who?
And he says you're up late.
Now number one.
I just had to say the phraseyou're up who.
That's kind of how it came out.

(01:56:21):
You're up who.
Just had to say the phraseyou're a poo.
That, that's kind of how itcame out.
You're a poo, at which.
I would also like to mentionthe time that I can't remember
why it was the way that it was,but my entire family was talking
and my mom, like, crouched downto get a child, maybe because
we had a lot of those around,and my older sister was saying
mom, you're a pan, you're a pan.
And my stepdad, the only funnytime he said anything funny in

(01:56:44):
his whole life, said oh no, shejust looks like that.
So that was a similar joke.
It wasn't bad, it wasn't theworst thing he's ever done.

Speaker 3 (01:56:52):
I'll take it.
I'll take it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:54):
But yeah, so Europe late.

Speaker 2 (01:56:58):
Yeah, that's not bad for An asshole.
A heroin addict yeah, not badfor An asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:57:08):
A heroin addict, I'm much more talented with magic.

Speaker 3 (01:57:12):
Watch me make this clarinet disappear For those
listening, Boss's stepfatheronce hawked her clarinet.

Speaker 4 (01:57:23):
Oh sorry, no, not once.
Multiple times yes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:29):
I didn't remember that.
I think I'm like all right,that's enough trauma, we got it,
we got it.
We got the fucking point herewith the goddamn trauma, sorry
about that Multiple times.

Speaker 4 (01:57:41):
Yeah, no, but not bad for a heroin addict.
Should be a t-shirt also.

Speaker 2 (01:57:45):
No.
So yeah, right, for sure, notbad at all.
You're up late, and then shewrites what boss.

Speaker 4 (01:57:54):
She starts writing something and then the bubbles
disappear.

Speaker 2 (01:57:58):
I know this is right.
Before that she wrote ha ha,you're obviously fine.

Speaker 4 (01:58:02):
Oh, yes, yes, yes, haha, you're obviously fine.
Now here's where he writes hewrites, so it's a late night or
an early morning, then shestarts with the bubbles and then
they disappear, and then heremembers the boundaries and he
says, oh, actually that's noneof my business.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
We get like a reaction shot of his face where
he's like, oh, actually, that'snone of my business.
We get like a reaction shot ofhis face where he's like oh shit
, oh shit.
And what is he right now?

Speaker 4 (01:58:28):
I think that's when he just writes sorry, none of my
business, None of my beeswax.
Sorry, none of my beeswax.
Thanks for reaching out.
And she gives it the heart.

Speaker 3 (01:58:39):
So I thought it was interesting in a couple of
directions.
Yes, we are not like we had a,a split second of it, probably
feeling like we were being whowe were.
So you just went with that andI get it interestingly.

(01:59:01):
Early morning or late nightdoes not mean who you've been
fucking necessarily.
So it was kind for me.
It was a little bit like yeah,maybe just stay clear of it all
ted, but I don't know.
It felt a little to me like itwasn't I don't know, I didn't.
The him saying early morning orlate night didn't make me think

(01:59:26):
, oh, he's trying to figure outwho's sleeping in her bed and I
guess I'm curious if that camethrough to either of you.
After she reacted I thought oryou know the bubbles and all
that I thought, but I didn'ttake it like that out of the
gate no, I think it was more so.

Speaker 4 (01:59:43):
It could imply that and that was the part that was
slightly over the mountain forher that whatever it was that
she was up late for or early for, if it had been regarding henry
, they would have discussed that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:57):
If it was something else, maybe it isn't his
business and that's just why hesays not my b-specs yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, it's true, and whenyou're with someone long enough,
you know their pattern, soyou'd be like, oh damn, wow,
she's up late, like atypical orwhatever.
Um, he puts the phone down.
They intentionally do an insertof, uh, the trent crim article.

(02:00:18):
Uh, his byline is there.
Ted lasso reported to have leftthe pitch due to food poisoning
.
Now sources claim panic attackwas reason behind exit.
Got a picture in the insert ofTed looking like he's holding in
gas.
Not a flattering, not the mostflattering picture of poor old,
sweet Ted Lasso.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
I think the Henry wallpaper also matters.
That used to be a picture ofMichelle and Henry, so as much
as he hasn't perfected it, hehas moved on.

Speaker 2 (02:00:46):
Right, we get a moment of him taking a breath.
Right, and he's a big exhaleand he's on it, leaves his flat.
Now we get a matching.
We know what this used to beright, this used to be a upbeat
walk.
There was wankers sometimes,sometimes after he won a victory
, this walk through the alleybehind his flat, it could be

(02:01:11):
pleasant, it could be tacky whenhe first got there, but it
generally serves to inform theviewer as to the interiority of
Ted's state of mind and also howit's being perceived publicly,
generally by the chorus.
He walks out and what does hefind waiting for him there, boss

(02:01:35):
?

Speaker 4 (02:01:37):
A couple of, I guess, paparazzi, although it seems
weird.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
Just two guys taking this picture, two professional
photographers taking thispicture yeah, he says hey,
fellas, and they get a goodpicture of him, I guess, looking
surprised.
Uh, they say, yeah, good, onewalks away, they got.
They got what they needed,apparently.
And he's like huh watches themgo.
He's centered in frame, um, andonce he gets past this sort of

(02:02:04):
intrusion he walks in.
There's a store owner settingup the sandwich board outside of
Chango.
Ted knows her name, of course,because he's like Elaine Bennis
and knows wasn't it Elaine's?
Who was it?
No, it was Elaine, who knowseverybody's name.
I'm trying to think which.
No, I guess it wasn't Elaine.

Speaker 4 (02:02:26):
Are you talking about Seinfeld?
Because nobody.

Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
Yeah, I don't remember that about Seinfeld.
No, maybe I got it wrong.

Speaker 2 (02:02:30):
But I remember one character where they were
arguing about somebody.
Yeah, obviously you know theirnames.

Speaker 3 (02:02:38):
Or maybe it was Kramer, but otherwise, Of any of
them he would.
Yeah, I wouldn't be lying.

Speaker 2 (02:02:42):
That's crazy.
Anyway, he says hello, goodmorning Susan.
She says oh, are you all right,ted?
And he says yes, ma'am.
And she says, are you sureabout that?
And that was cold-blooded, okay.
He walks by another man readingthe Star Sport we know a star

(02:03:03):
who made a lot of fun of it IsTed dead in the head Reads the
big front page headline.
I liked panic at the lasso.
I thought that was really good.

Speaker 3 (02:03:12):
That felt like a real headline.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
Yeah, lasso suffering panic attacks.
It's just everywhere.
He's like, oh shit.
He walks out past, uh, the, theiconic, uh british toll booth
not told with phone booth, uh,uh, the all red phone booth.
Some people stare at him, turnaround, look behind him.
I just kept thinking god, thatguy needs a trim um, just a real

(02:03:36):
thick beard and yeah, so justjust a little, just a little
trim a little bit off the edge,um, but he, uh, he's like jesus
christ, he's, he's just man, alot of people aware of it and he
turns and low and looking forbeard, which is where they meet,
and, um, you know, sort ofthere to save him, of course.
Uh, we hear, hey, coach.

(02:03:57):
And back to the iconic benchthere next to the phone booth.
Beard hands him, uh, his coffee.

Speaker 3 (02:04:07):
We know it's not tea, and they do what here, coach
they do their ritual of uhcheers, tap glass on table in
this case coffee cups and thenthey cheers one more time, clink
one more time, but it's papercups, and then they have their
first sip of coffee.
And then we have our, uh, ourold buddy.

Speaker 2 (02:04:31):
Uh, with the inside jokes the wanker, the guy that
calls him a wanker.
And what does he say, coach?

Speaker 3 (02:04:36):
hey, wanker, if my father had a panic attack at
normandy, we'd all be speakinggerman, right, and he walks off,
right.
So a little card trick.
But then and ted to his credit,because I, I assure you, my
response would not have been yes, sir, um to his credit, just
sort of you think, let's thatride.
And then um, but the guy turnedback and he says just do the

(02:05:02):
work, pal, you'll be all right.
And I almost feel like the factthat Ted didn't say ah, fuck
off, or whatever it might havebeen, or you know, signal to
this guy, like maybe he's reallynot all right, like I thought I
was just going to bust hisballs, but maybe he's really not
all right.
And I like that moment and Ilike separating this character

(02:05:24):
from Kartrick in this specificway, like there's an underlying
humanity.

Speaker 2 (02:05:32):
Yeah, I think you read that right.
The guy was surprised by thatreaction.
Turns around and says just dothe work, pal, you'll be alright
.
And gives him a thumbs up andthen walks away.
It got me, I'm actually rightnow.
Just do the work, pal, you'llbe right.
And give him a thumbs up andthen walks away.
I, it got me, I'm.
I'm actually right now, evenI'm just misty over.
So I'm like oh, it's such anice because that guy's such a,
it's such a shitty old fuckerlike you know, hey, wanker, but

(02:05:53):
he's like, okay.
And then then you get like a atiny glimmer of actual life
wisdom from a guy who's probablylived it in a thousand ways and
has internalized it and masksevery day and has comported
himself the way society wantshim to comport himself and and
you know, you know, sort of doeseverything inside the lines.

(02:06:15):
That might be the first timesomebody motivated him to
actually turn and say, likesomething that actually matters,
that's not like just do thework Like.
You know what I mean, you'll beokay, is is, uh, it's beautiful
, I thought.

Speaker 3 (02:06:29):
I think to the the, the sort of.
We have two pretty military notallegory whatever two military
points that are made around thisanxiety thing.
And one of my favorite uh warmovie moments ever actually is
in saving private ryan.
They're heading in beaches,they're gonna storm the beaches

(02:06:51):
and somebody pisses onthemselves and I was like, yeah,
doesn't mean I'm gonna turnaround, doesn't mean I'm gonna
jump in the water, it doesn'tmean I'm going to jump in the
water, it doesn't mean whatever.
But I don't know how you couldbe headed in a vehicle toward
all them bombs and bullets andjust be like men, men, like what
?
No, fuck you.

(02:07:12):
There's no way.
There's no way.

Speaker 2 (02:07:16):
But specifically in England and growing up I had a
British friend who would tell meabout all this stuff.
England and I had, I had agrowing up.
I had a british friend whowould tell me about all this
stuff.
He's like, oh no, the way we weadopted this ethos was because
we, we were fighting against thefrench for so long and the
french are known to have weartheir emotions on their sleeve
and it would disgust us as right.
This is what he would say, thisis what historically, where it

(02:07:36):
came from, I'm not boss isthrowing throwing her head back
and she's like, oh, this ishorrifying, but this is the
origin of the self-control.
So I remember him showing methis and I've mentioned it for
sure, maybe in season one, butit always cracks me up.
He's like you will not believethis shit, how the lengths we're
supposed to go to comportourselves and not show emotion

(02:07:59):
Because we want to be lessFrench.
And he showed me this war movie.
It was like right after WorldWar II, a guy's in a tank and
the Nazi bombers come in andblow a whole line of tanks to
smithereens and one guy and onlytwo of the 12 men or 15 men in

(02:08:19):
the tank get out and they runand dive into a ditch and
covered in blood and mud andbarely escaped their lives the
only two that made it.
And one of the guys turns tothe guy next to him and says I
say that was a bit uncomfortable, wasn't it?
Now, chap, is it supposed to?

Speaker 4 (02:08:39):
be a joke.
Is it supposed to be a joke?

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
It wasn't supposed to be a joke.
It supposed to be a joke, itwasn't supposed to be a joke.
It was like they're playing itstraight and you're like oh my
god.
But so I'm not saying this isalive and well in england, on
the same and anywhere near thesame level.
People see through that that.
You know it's ridiculous.
But you know the?
The man is a personification oftwo different, competing ways

(02:09:02):
of operating the wanker guy.
You know he, he's going togiveification of two different
competing ways of operating thewanker guy.
You know he, he's going to giveyou shit, he's going to razz
you old school.
But then when he saw that, youknow ted didn't, whatever it was
like ah, fuck you, you oldbastard.
You know that would coach says.
What would you have said, coach?
You wouldn't have taken itkindly, you'd have been like you
know what like yeah, fuck fuckoff.
But he didn't.

(02:09:22):
He just said yes, sir, whichmeans he's like oh man, he's in
a different place.
Anyway, it gives him a littlepep talk.
I thought it was nice.

Speaker 3 (02:09:30):
Also, to some degree does it mean I may agree with
you and maybe that makes it lessfun.
You know what I mean the factthat if you give me shit about a
panic attack and I go go fuckyourself, you know whatever,
then we're kind of doing a thing.
But if I, but if somehow myresponse signals I too think
maybe I'm not worthy or I'm notman enough or I'm thinking it

(02:09:54):
through, that I, you know, Icould see where, like, oh well,
now the fun's out of it.
Like I thought.

Speaker 2 (02:09:58):
I was gonna, yeah, do this thing with you, right?
It's less of it.
Like I thought I was going todo this thing with you, right?

Speaker 4 (02:10:03):
It's less of a dance Right, right, exactly, there's
no bantering to it.
It's um again.
Angels in America.
Uh, it's no fun teasing you.
You're like throwing darts atJell-O.
So it's all fluff, nothingsticks Um.
But I think that the fact thathe said we'd all be speaking

(02:10:23):
German is so important becausewe change how we view people.
Living in the past, we thinkthat they think of themselves as
how we view them, so we think,oh, they didn't have.
We didn't used to talk aboutpanic attacks.
So nobody had panic attacksLike their panic attacks.
Allergies weren't a thing whenmy grandmother was a child, she,

(02:10:46):
she didn't know anybody aboutthem?
I'm like no, you just knew kidswho had dropped dead at parties
because somebody had a peanut.
Like the fuck are you talkingabout?
Obviously these things existed,you just didn't know or talk
about them.
Those are different things.
People were having panicattacks they were absolutely
having panic attacks.
It's just you called themtremors or shell-shocked or

(02:11:08):
anything besides what theyactually are, and didn't talk
about them and told people thatthey were bad.
So like this, when people saythese things, I'm like well, oh,
you didn't know any trans kids?
Well, they existed.
We would just ship them offplaces and hype them because we
used to be assholes.
Like that is what's happeninghere 100.

Speaker 2 (02:11:29):
well, you know, oh you english are so superior.
Uh, it calls back to mind thefantastic, oscar-winning role of
kevin klein in a fish calledwanda, where he says you know
where you'd be.
That's when I heard like youknow where you'd be without the
good old US of A lady, thebiggest fucking island in the
German Empire, it just uh.

(02:11:50):
So it's so good, it is so good.
If people have not seen A FishCalled Wanda, kevin Kline's
performance, I'm sure it'soffensive beyond.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
I haven't seen it in decades.
I'm sure it's offensive beyond.
I haven't seen it in decades.
I'm sure it is, because Iremember it being edgy.
So I'm wondering.
I can't even think of what, butI bet there's some jokes in
there, there's a couple, butit's still.

Speaker 2 (02:12:11):
It's still.
Listen.
As for John Cleese and KevinKline arguing, and Kevin Kline
says you shithead, asshole,fuckhead, ass, whatever.
And John Cleese says to him ohmy God, you're a true Bulgarian,
aren't you?
And he goes you're theBulgarian, you fuck.

Speaker 3 (02:12:32):
I love that joke.
You can tell me that joke in athousand different forms.

Speaker 2 (02:12:36):
I will laugh at you, it's like true love.
You're the Bulgarianian comma,you fuck is it is, it is mastery
.
I just, oh, I love it so much Ican't, I can hardly breathe.
Um, anyway, uh, beard beingbeard, does what best friends do
.
Doesn't say a word, goes likethis little thing with his head

(02:12:58):
for those who can't, uh, it's anaudio platform and he just goes
like, rolls his head aside Likehey, let's, let's, let's, let's
screw, let's get out of here,let's bolt, let's walk to work.
Um, they get up and Ted, uh, uh, you know, does this thing
where, um, he says, do you seeit there?

Speaker 4 (02:13:16):
I yep no, he says nope sorry, hold on.

Speaker 2 (02:13:31):
No, no, no, sorry, sorry, my fault, technical
issues folks sorry about that.

Speaker 4 (02:13:36):
So Beard says I assume you know sorry.
Ted says I assume you know whatthat was Sorry.
Ted says I assume you know whatthat was all about.
And Beard's response is nope,yeah, nope.

Speaker 2 (02:13:49):
And as they walk away , what do we see?

Speaker 4 (02:13:51):
Oh, the newspaper in Beard's back pocket folded
weirdly so that we could seethat of course he knows what
he's talking about.
But until Ted wants to talkabout it, beard isn't going to
push it.

Speaker 3 (02:14:02):
I actually yes, and I would add to it Beard knows Ted
needs to talk about it now, andsaying yes, I know, cuts into
Ted's ability, ted's opportunityto talk.
So I think we, we, we, we gotan intro to this after.

Speaker 4 (02:14:23):
Sassy yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 (02:14:30):
I never want to talk about this again.
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I slept with Sassy last night.
Want to talk about itAbsolutely.
And so I think that's Ted and Idefinitely appreciate that,
because that is 100% Orlando andI literally called someone I
work with this morningspecifically to say that I've
been thinking about something inmy life and just needed to talk
about it out loud.
The actual setup for theconversation.

(02:14:53):
So I I get it I love it.

Speaker 2 (02:14:57):
Uh, we're gonna, we're gonna end there for today.
Um, we made it five minutes,five, five, whole minutes.
We're very proud, but we gotthrough the end.

Speaker 1 (02:15:06):
All they do is they roll, they roll.

Speaker 2 (02:15:08):
We go right to the credits and then we'll pick it
up after the credits.
Coach, where do people find you?
If they want to find you?

Speaker 3 (02:15:17):
They find me in our community Become a buttercup.
I mean, come on, where else areyou going to just instant
gratification get?
Alvin Ailey welcomes ConanO'Brien.
I'll tell you where In ourcommunity.
Come on in, enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (02:15:38):
Boss, what about you, Voss?

Speaker 4 (02:15:40):
what about you?
You can mostly find me onlineat Threads, which is
emilychambers.31.
Also at Blue Sky, which isEmily Chambers, also joining the
communities and not joining.
Getting back into the communitysite more than I have been.
Definitely need to do that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:04):
And going to the antagonist to possibly write.
Definitely read which isantagonistblogcom.
Okay, well, that's it for ustoday.
Folks, it is heartwarming to beon the final episode of Ted
Lasso.
For what it's worth, we'regoing to finish this episode,
and however many pieces thatCoach can engineer it to be, but
we will always refer back to it.

(02:16:27):
It is our first love when itcomes to this format and even
for those of you who arelistening to our Wayne coverage,
we always bring it back tocomparisons with Ted Lasso.
So even when it goes away, itnever really goes away.
I want to thank everybody forlistening, but I want to send a

(02:16:53):
special shout out to one of ourdear Buttercups, kim.
You're on our minds, you're onour thoughts, and Kim's going
through a little bit of a toughtime, but she is tough and
resilient and just such such aninspiration.
Um and um.
Yeah, it's uh you know, you'regonna, you're gonna, you're

(02:17:16):
gonna, you're gonna get throughthis and everything's going to
work out.
So, um, we're honored to haveyou as a buttercup and we
appreciate you more than youknow.

Speaker 3 (02:17:27):
If I may, coach Please, there's something worse,
kim, than being sad, and that'sbeing sad and alone.
And you, my friend, are notalone.

Speaker 2 (02:17:41):
Well said, well said, absolutely right.
Okay, thank you everybody.
Before I get too choked up, I'mgoing to call it here.
Please support your locallibraries in the written word.
Until next time we are.

Speaker 3 (02:18:01):
Richmond Till we Die, that's good enough Good enough
for today.
I feel like it's been a few ina row here.

Speaker 2 (02:18:10):
Can't always be.
Sometimes you just hit singlesJust got to get people on base.

Speaker 3 (02:18:14):
That's true, move them along, move them along.

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