Ted Lasso | S2 Ep12 Part2 "Inverting the Pyramid of Success" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Welcome back everyone .
Welcome back everyone.
Um, we are so happy to have youhere today.
Um, today we are going to bediscussing, uh, ted lasso,
season 2, episode 12, invertingthe pyramid of success.
This is part 2 of ourdiscussion.
Uh, if you're just joining us,uh, we've put some work into Ted

(01:08):
Lasso over the years and we'recoming up on the end of this
proverbial journey.
We hope to jump right in today,and on that end I am your host,
coach Castleton.
With me, as always, is the.
You know, I don't know what, Ican't really sum him up because

(01:31):
he's wearing this all-whiteoutfit and I told him when we
jumped on the call, we jumped inthe recording studio.
Here I was like you know, youlook like God, like he just
looks so clean and happy andbeautiful.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
This is Coach Bishop, all right, everyone.
Look like god, like he justlooks so clean and happy and
beautiful.
Um, this is coach bishop, allright, everyone.
Remember the truth will set youfree, but first it will piss
you off.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
so get ready, here we go oh yeah, I love it, I love
it and uh, and with us is ourboss, emily chambers I've never
been confused for god?
No, I would imagine not.
Uh, yeah, I would love to.
I was going to try to think ofa, um, like a lesser known
troublemaking deity.
Uh uh, one of the one of thedoes dionysus have a bitch?

(02:18):
So a god of uh drunkenness andwine.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Debauchery.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
It doesn't need to be wine.
I mean, the intoxicant doesn'tneed to be wine.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Whatever alters my state of mind I'm good with, and
, yeah, we'll look that up.
So listen, we jumped in lasttime after about 45 minutes or
so of prattling.
It's the first time we've everdone that.
We generally just get right tothe point.
And so, for those of youjoining us for the first time,

(03:01):
we're also liars, and we justfinished the Basically.
We got through the openingsequence, got through the titles
and, as we pick this up today,we are seeing Keely hop out from
what she's behind a plant orsomething here.
Boss, you want to walk usthrough this?

Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah.
So Keely says oh, oh, those arebeautiful.
And she's looking at the plantflower it's it's not just like a
regular bouquet, it's got greenshit in there too, um, and she
says those are lovely.
Who are they from?
Rebecca?
Says edwin akufo, and she saysoh.
And then rebecca, reading thecard, says sorry for your loss,

(03:46):
and she says oh, uh.
Higgins says that wasthoughtful of him.
He must have heard about yourfather's passing, at which point
Rebecca says I'm not finished,but we will give Sam a very good
home in Casablanca.
So this is not about Rebecca'sdad, whose funeral we covered in
episode 10.
This is about Akufo trying tosteal Sam away for his own club.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
I love that Higgins and kind of obnoxious, yes, but
I love that.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Higgins in full Higgins mode, like this is as
Higgins as it gets, says stillnice gesture.
No, it was not like, just Surethose nice gesture.
No, it was not Like, just besure, those are still flowers,
they are still flowers, there'sno getting around that.
But this was not a nice gesture.
But I just love that.
He's like nope, I will, Ichoose the best version of this

(04:39):
moment.
So there we go.
There are flowers.
Nice gesture, ok, great, I'llgo with that.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah, now Rebecca asks if there's any.
Uh, I love when she goes toLeslie for the word on the
street.
Um, cracks me up.
Uh, you know, he's got his,he's got, he's got a network of
spies.
He's, he's like the spider uh,spider, from Game of Thrones,

(05:08):
just training people to whisperto him at all times.
Leslie, any rumblings aboutwhich way Sam's leaning, which
is?
You know, rebecca has a vestedinterest in the outcome of this
decision.
And what does Leslie say here?

Speaker 4 (05:23):
Coach, not a peep, and I'm trying to play it chill.
So whenever I see him in ahallway I just give him a cool
nod, you know like this, and hedoes his nod and he gets
reactions oh shit, that was cool.
And he says, I know, right, Isaw it in a Denzel Washington
movie and I thought, oh, I'mtaking that.

(05:45):
I laughed at that.
I am curious what others'reactions were, because I did
laugh yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
Go on.
I mean, it's culturalappropriation any way you look
at it.
You know white people don'thave cool nods.
That's silly.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Well, and he doesn't do it cool.
There might be some white guys,that can do it.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
But for me that was the funny part.
He was like, yes, I could use acool nod, like it's all so
measured.
Oh, I've been looking for ablack turtleneck and a cool nod.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
And it turns out yeah , it'll go perfectly with my
paisley tie.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Anyway, sorry, it was definitely one of those jokes.
I'm getting old enough now thatI've shared this publicly that
one of my big concerns aboutaging is I'm starting to find
some stupid commercials I'musing.
And I'm starting to find somestupid commercials I'm using and
I'm deeply concerned, Like farmore concerned by my beard going

(06:51):
gray.
It deeply concerns me.
When I watch a commercial Iknow is stupid and I laugh.
I'm very concerned and this wasin that family.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Do you have an example?
Do you remember the last stupidcommercial you laughed at?

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Damn it, no, and I'm not going to waste our time.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Is it so stupid that your family is looking at you?
I think Like it's so stupid,like Daphne or the kids will
look at you while they're tryingto figure something out, is it?

Speaker 4 (07:22):
that bad.
I am deeply complimented thatyou think that my family spends
very much time around mewatching things.
So that's just heartwarming,it's just wow.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
A lot of time in front of the TV.

Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah, yeah, but Daphne definitely, but I usually
share it in context.
I'll be like, oh my God,there's a commercial and it's so
dumb, but I like it here, look.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah, but if it's good I can appreciate a good
commercial.
It's hard to make a really goodcommercial.
It conveys a message.
You got a tiny sliver of timeto do it.
Doesn't feel like you're overlyselly.
You know there's a goodcommercial is.
I don't like commercials.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
I try to avoid whenever I can.
But here's a group.
This I wouldn't say these arestupid, but they are silly.
I will actually stop my fastforwarding if I see anything
regarding progressive.
Their commercials consistentlymake me laugh.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're becoming your parents that that whole series
oh wow, oh, yeah, yeah I'mtelling you it's, it's, it's.
Concerning oh no, oh yeah, yeahyeah oh yeah, so you're like oh
, you know what, one of those,those, those wizards up at the,
uh, the geico factory.
What will they come up withnext?

Speaker 4 (08:46):
Yeah, I'm not a Geico guy.

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Oh no.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I'm not going to act like it doesn't have that feel
to it, but if I see old Flo onmy screen I'm stopping.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
Oh man.
Were you one of the hump dayguys.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
No, but you know what I think?
I was only saved by timing,timing, I think, if you
introduced me to the hump day,guys.
Right now, every wednesday onzoom, I'd be hitting my contact.
I, I listen, guys.
I'm not happy about it.
Okay, I'm not happy about it no, I, I get it.

Speaker 3 (09:23):
I get it.
I get it.
I understand.
I had to put into the Googlesearch bar what does linked up
mean Teen slang?
I needed to specify for themthat much that that's what.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
I was looking for.
I was like is it dating?

Speaker 3 (09:38):
What does that mean?
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (09:43):
What did you find?
I know what I think it means,but what does it mean?

Speaker 3 (09:47):
As far as I can tell, it does mean to go out, not
necessarily on a date date, butto meet and get to know somebody
.
Right, got it and then notwanting to link up again is like
nope, this didn't work out Okay.

Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, it's reasonable .

Speaker 3 (10:06):
It was that I had to add teen slang.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
Oh, no that, I felt like real old.
Oh, I get it Like I needed themto know exactly what I was
looking for, Because I wentthrough a phase where I was
aware of what was being said,but I was just a little older so
it really wasn't my thing, butI could at least use it sort of
like ironically or sort of inthe right space.
But you know, I was older andnow I just don't know what the

(10:29):
fuck anybody's talking about.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
I found out about a whole dating site.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Don't ask me the name of it.
Every time somebody says, I goyeah, that's the one, I got to
remember that.
And four times now I've donethat and now I couldn't tell you
the name if I wanted to.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
But I was like what the fuck is that?
You know, people say it's allGreek, to me that's funny.
Somebody I can't From a Greekguy.
You're just hearing that.

Speaker 4 (10:52):
No, no, no, I've heard it before, but I've never
had.
It's sort of like when Jade wasgoing to go help her family
with the light bulbs and you go,oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Oh, that's extra funny when you say it uh, anyway
, go on, I see, okay, got it.
I heard somebody say uh, in inthat vein.
Um, maybe it was on a show, andI wish I was trying to remember
who, who said it or where.
I heard this clip, but it wassomebody who said he was like it
was a man and he said you know,it's like.
Uh, it's as absolutely, youknow, confounding to me as

(11:30):
whatever black pink is and I andyou both, you both look at me
like it's a, it's a black pink,is a like a band for the utes,
like it's like you know popularband and yeah, blackpink, and
you can look it up there, boss.

(11:50):
Put in teen slang after it.
And what I thought it was great, Cause I was like I'm aware of,
I'm aware of the band.

Speaker 4 (11:58):
I'm sort of glad it was a.
I'm glad it was a band is all Ican say.

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah, it's a uh, not a band, I should say it's a not
a, you know it's a no one's.
No one's playing the banjo.
Uh, who's?
Uh, who's got a car alarm going?
There?
Is that chicago today, boss, ofcourse it's chicago.
It's always chicago.
I love it.
Um so okay, speaking of liketerrible dad jokes uh, ted walks

(12:22):
in, and what does he say here?
Coach, this actually is awful,but go ahead, tell us what he
says when he walks in.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
So Ted enters hey, what's the story?
Paul Shorey, I mean, the man'sname isn't even Paul Shorey,
like even I went come on now,lazy Lazy.
Come on now, thatazy Lazy.
Come on now.
That's not his name.
Like now, we have to likemodify the name to make the bad

(12:52):
pun work.
Even I I've been on board for alot of shit.
I defended the Christmasepisode.
I feel like I have room tospeak.
That was bad and I likeprogressive commercials.

Speaker 3 (13:09):
Yeah, man.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
So like.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
I feel like the issue for me about the joke was that
it needed to be a signal toeveryone else in the room that
Ted was not okay.
If Ted is coming with that weaksauce, everybody needs to know
there's a problem.
But it doesn't seem like theshow was leaning into the fact
that the joke was a symptom ofTed's condition.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
You're right.
You're right.
It would have been better.
The show sort of breezed pastyeah.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
If they had done a reaction shot of everybody being
like oh fuck, oh shit, there'sno spit on that fastball.
Oh shit, he is bad today.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
Then I would have gotten it, but as it is, it
lands like a bad joke and thatdoesn't work.
For me it's just a bad joke.
That's a good take.
I wish you'd been in the room.
I actually think the scenewould have been improved by that
.
That's a funny way to identifythat your friend is not doing
well, their puns are off.
It's just a funny yeah theirpuns.

(14:05):
Really.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
That's how you know it's funny.
Wellness thermometer is howgood your joke is.
On entrance, keely says so.
Sorry about the article, ted,she's very lovely.
Oh, that's okay, keely.
You know what they say.
Those are saying it's badpublicity, right, although I
think they might have been wrongabout that one, which is a
bummer.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Because?
Why?
Because they were spot on withthe beer.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Because they were spot on about that beer before
liquor thing yeah.

Speaker 4 (14:35):
And they were.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
They were.

Speaker 4 (14:40):
I stayed in the boat on that one.
I figured it might not beuniversally loved, but I stayed.
I was in on that one.
I was like alright, that feelslike Ted to me.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Yeah, I was fine with it.
I don't feel like Boss isbuying.
I feel like Boss is trying todecide whether to hurt my
feelings.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
No, no, no, no, it's only that.
You watch progressivecommercials so you watch
progressive commercials.
I can't, I don't want to fightwith god, but I will.
No, actually that's a lie I dowant to fight with god.
Um, I was more so thinking thatof the times like, now that I'm
an adult, I can have a couple,few adult leverages and be fine,

(15:24):
and wake up the next morninglike maybe a little sluggish,
maybe a little tired, but notI'm dying, not like I haven't
vomited from drinking in many,many years.
So I'm trying to remember, Ithink, that there, when I was
drinking enough that I wasgetting hung over, there was no
limerick that could have savedme like I was, just it was too

(15:46):
much booze and not good enoughquality.
Like when you drink, honest togod, 10 bud lights over the
course of the day, you're gonnafeel like shit, even if you
avoid the brown liquoraltogether I didn't say that you
were an alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
I just said you enjoy eight to eight beverages a day.

Speaker 4 (16:06):
That's oh yeah, guys, I rounded it down.
I was thinking about when I've.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
I was thinking about when I've been camping and, like
you, just sit all day in achair and drink and I 10 is.
10 is definitely not the thelargest number of drinks I've
had in a 24-hour period, that'sfor 100% sure.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
I know I've exceeded that.
Like I don't even, I don't haveto think about it or do any
math.
I mean, yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1 (16:33):
In 24 hours, oh dear.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
God.

Speaker 2 (16:34):
Oh, no yeah, when I was pledging my fraternity.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
Oh Jesus.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
We would drink like.
I remember buying like two12-packs and I'd get through one
and a half.
Like we were drinkingconstantly.
My tolerance shot up and it wasawful and it was like I was
like home for vacation and dranka 12-pack and people were like
and I was like oh so, anyway, itwas like talking normally,

(17:03):
everyone's like, jesus Christ,like you never used to drink.
I'm like oh so, anyway, it waslike talking normally,
everyone's like, jesus Christ,you never used to drink.
I'm like yeah.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
And now I can land a plane?

Speaker 2 (17:09):
No, it's terrible, but I really like for your
gravestone Emily Chambers, comma.
No limerick could save her.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
No limerick could save me.
Yeah, no, it's either that orWell.
It's stupid.
It's a line from Rick and Morty, but he says two things I want
to make clear to everybody inthis room never betray me and
it's time to go, and for somereason I've always thought that
that would be the funniest.
As a dead person I'd be likefuck you, you still.

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Don't betray me, I will findyou.
Also, I would like to give avery brief shout out to I know
he's not listening, but hey,paul Grimes from my high school,
who the one time that I threw ahouse party, the single time he
came in, he sat down in a chairin my living room with one case
of beer and he said I'm notgetting up until I've drank
every single one of these.
And he fucking did it.

(18:00):
He was 17 years old.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
I don't know how he's still alive.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
We made out a couple of years later.
Great job, Paul Grimes.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You're probably taking that line to sober up.
Good job, paul Grimes.
Yeah, yeah, beer Before Liquor.
Coach, do you know the jingle?
I do, I do.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
Beer Before.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Liquor.
Will you tell it for the peopleout there?

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Liquor before beer and you are in the clear.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
There you go, it's handy, there you go.

Speaker 4 (18:32):
As boss points out, once you go past a certain
amount, the rules.
There are no more rules.
But if you are trying to drinkresponsibly, as the ads say, yes
, I would go with liquor beforebeer.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah, okay, so he says beer before liquor thing,
and then he kindly, has notforgotten to bring Boss Biscuits
with the Boss here.
I mean, like, with all that'sgoing on for Ted, you think you
know he might, might, have ahiccup in the programming.
Uh, hands him to Boss.

(19:11):
Here you go, boss.
Thank you, ted.
And she says you know that youhave Our full support.
Um, yeah, I appreciate that.
Uh, I still wish I could havedone something for that dick.
Trent Krim post the article.
Oh, come on, trent's a good guy, he's just doing the gig, uh,
which is uh marvelous.
I, I, this is a part of Ted Ireally aspire to emulate, which

(19:35):
is I, uh, I understand what yourjob is and you have a job to do
.
I'm not going to hold thatagainst you and I'm not going to
, I'm not going to make you, theenemy for doing your job,
that's I.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
I.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
I don't know if I can always get there.
I'm like you know what.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
I mean.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
That was the choice he made here, right?
Well, maybe we shouldn't.
I mean, you know, I was orders,famously Not the catch-all
excuse that some would like itto be, but I do like he's got a
job to do, that's his job.
If somebody comes to him andsays this is happening at

(20:15):
Richmond, it is actually his jobto tell everybody.
That's what he does.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
Yeah, and I think I understand where you're coming
from with the don't say I wasjust following orders, but there
are times where people do needto expose elements of a public
figure's private life in orderto serve the public.
Yes, and to that extent I'mthinking about the many times
where specific politicians havesaid being gay is wrong, or

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cheating on your wife is wrong,or all these other things, and
then it turns out oh, you'recheating on your wife is wrong
or all these other things.
And then it turns out oh, you'recheating on your wife in a gay
relationship.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
Like you, are a hypocrite.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
You are persecuting people.
I have to call you out and no.
I agree with Ted.
Trent was doing his job yeahthat's pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yeah, yeah, no, no, the hypocrites are.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
It's a whole different level of hell.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Um started to go down that path and I was like let's
not, let's just not, no, no, no,like it's so, because it's so
common now it's so it'subiquitous uh, you almost want
to skip that part.

Speaker 4 (21:16):
You almost want to go .
Oh yeah, do you want to justgive us his name, or are we
going to do the whole thing thistime?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
yeah, yeah, if you say family values, whatever, I
know you're banging kids orsomething Like I don't need to.
Yeah, whatever, I just like.
At this point you just go.
Oh, I'm just so sick of it.
It's such a, it's so crazy andit's so like dumb.
I never get over how dumb, howdumb, just the level of dumb.

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Dumb, just a level of dumb.
Anyway, we don't want to getmore than that.
I just can't.
We're all shaking our heads.
Too much dumb, Too much dumbout there with all the smart
that we got cooking.
Okay, rebecca, of course she'sgoing to throw her weight around
the way that good Rebecca's do.
Well, don't worry, I'm going tospeak directly to you on the

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paper and see who the source was.
Nah, come on, no need Fact iseverything they said was true
and you ready for this one boss?
Unlike Lieutenant Caffey, Iactually can handle the truth.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
All right.
So when do we want me to startarguing with Ted's line with how
he handles this situation?
Do you want to do it now, or dowe want to wait until a little
bit later?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
I think let's go for it.
Let's get it off the table.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Yeah, let's do it so he is absolutely, completely,
100% wrong to not tell Rebeccawhat he knows about the source.
He is absolutely in the wrong.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Oh, interesting.

Speaker 4 (22:40):
Okay good, I didn't know that's where you're going
to go, but let's oh yeah, I meanI'm interested to have this
conversation, but I didn't seethe direction coming.
All right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
Is this a corporate philosophy sort of thing Like
rules of engagement?
Okay, what a friendship.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Where is the line?
What?

Speaker 2 (22:57):
are we talking about?

Speaker 3 (22:58):
So what he is saying is he knows that it's Nate.
He knows that Nate was thesource.
He doesn't want Nate to beexposed, so he's saying
everything was true.
I can handle the truth.
It isn't only about him, though.
There are other people at theorganization who have confided
secrets in Nate that Nate couldthen expose to the public if he

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felt like it.
Ted right now, at this moment,knows that Higgins said that he
missed the deadline because ofthe time difference.
Roy doesn't read the scoutingreports.
Beard was on mushrooms.
Jamie's dad is an abusive prickand Jamie got into a fight with
him in the locker room.
After that game.
Rebecca has been sleeping withSam.

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Rebecca hired Ted to come tothe club in order to sabotage it
because she was trying to hurtRupert.
Ted knows that all of thosethings are secrets and he knows
that Nate knows some of them.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
But do you have an actual example?

Speaker 3 (23:55):
No, I'm sorry.
I stayed up all night and Icouldn't come up with it.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Please come up with a better argument that's fair
Next time.
Yeah, thank you.
No.
Better argument um, that's fairnext time.
Yeah, thank you.
No.
No, that's a hell of a.
That's a hell of a list.
Hell of a list.
That's a terrifying.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
There are a couple things on that list.
I'm not sure that nate knowsbut.
But but none of that uh takesaway from your point but he
could have heard whispers like Ihadn't.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Well, and also thought about the jeopardy.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
Others are in but ted .
But but like, right, yes, teddefinitely knows.
I'm saying like I don't think,I don't think Nate knows about
Sam and Rebecca and I don'tthink he knows.
There are a couple things Idon't think he knows, but like,
but your point is remains, yeahyeah, I know that Nate doesn't
necessarily know those things,but Nate knows enough that now

(24:41):
that we've already said.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Ted repeatedly said I had stomach issues.
That was a lie.
Actually, what he had going onwas a panic attack that he
wasn't forthright with.
So if nate does let those otherthings slip, there could be
more investigation into what ishappening at the club.
There might be some things thatpeople have pieced together,
like why was sam and rebecca'sneighborhood at this?
People could know shit.

(25:02):
If you call attention to, ifNate tells people what he knows,
it'll draw more attention to it.
There could be a lot of secretsthat come out.
There could be secrets on theteam that we as the audience
don't know yet, that we willfind out later.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
That could jeopardize people also.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
Like right now.
Ted is still treating Nate likehe's not a threat and nate is a
threat oh, we talk about thisall the time and so good.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
This is your ability to distinguish danger of like
you go danger danger, dangerlike, take it seriously.
It's not just a little stupidted lasso thing anymore.
But what.

Speaker 4 (25:42):
but I would make the argument that one reason he, the
one reason trent, feltcompelled to share and and might
have and felt obviously somelevel of guilt or some such
about being a part of a systemthat would have him do that to

(26:02):
Ted, is that Ted isn't the kindof guy who Trent Creme would
expect to say the next morning Iknow who the hell it was, it
was Nate and and make everybodygo how the fuck do you know that
?
So I think so.
So I agree with you, but Iactually think he's in, um, he's

(26:23):
, I guess I would say.
I feel like he's in a bind inthis scene that they don't
acknowledge as much as you say.
He's like we're notacknowledging that.
He's like not letting them knowthey're in danger.
I think his integrity is also inquestion.
But I think we should beaddressing that.
There are these elements andit's not just a matter of well,

(26:44):
you know not, nate, I mean he'llcome around like babies and
cats.
You know like, no, no, no, no,no, no, no.
We're way, we're way pastbabies and cats.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
now, yeah, I'm with you, not necessarily in Ted's
mind, well, no right, but I'msaying because he's going to
protect him.
This is where, then, it becomesa personal loyalty.
So you say like I understand hewas disloyal, but that doesn't
mean I will be disloyal, I'm notgoing to turn, you know, I'm
not going to, I'm not going topretend like it didn't happen,
but I'm also not going to draghim through the mud when I have.

(27:12):
I have a very high, I hold thisperson in a high level of
esteem and I I I consider this amistake and not a uh character
flaw.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
That will continue to continue to happen so, let me,
so, let me, let me, let mereframe that a little bit.
It's a transgression, it's adeparture.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
No, no, I I know what you're saying, I'm saying
that's what he's saying in hismind.
Uh, he's saying I don't thinkthis is indicative of nate's
personality.
I think something's going onwith nate and he fucked up, but
this is not who nate is andtherefore I don't see the future
, because I'm not at all worriedthat he's going to start
rubbing the papers.

Speaker 4 (27:51):
I'm sure I've mentioned it before, but I
watched a series of sports docson coaches and Doc Rivers was
one of them and he talked abouta basketball coach NBA now with
the Bucs.
But before any of that, theydid this and he shared that.
His first speech to the teamgoes something like I'm Glenn

(28:13):
Doc Rivers, I'm here, I am goingto make decisions that are best
for the team.
You may not.
I'm going to make mistakes andyou may not like my decision.
I may not like it, it may noteven be what was best for the
team.
I'm going to make mistakes andyou may not like my decision.
I may not like it, it may noteven be what was best for me,
but you can know that I'm alwaysmaking the decision I believe
is best for the team and I thinkthat sentiment would have to be

(28:39):
a part of the lasso way.
And I do think we've pointed outa number of times where he has
put his need to play nice abovethat, and I do think that's a
problem, like I think, likeyou've pointed it out in other
places, because what I, thethought I had here was oh, he
needs another.

(29:00):
It's okay to care about winninganother.
It's okay to care about winninglashing.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yes, but why?
Why does he need that?

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Your point is really spot on On a personal level.
No, no, no, there's no personallevel.
You're saying there's a problem.
The team is in danger right nowNot in his mind, but that's the
problem.
Why in your mind is a guy who'swilling to sit in here with us
and then be the anonymous sourceto the newspaper?

(29:30):
Why are you not viewing thatperson as a threat, Like I do
think that's a whole.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I would have done the same thing.
I would have done the samething.
I this.
I would have I would have beenthere and I would have said
exactly what Coach said, whichis like there's a level of trust
from Krim which I reallyappreciate and I take that very
seriously.
I probably would have figuredit out anyway at some point.
We're going to see you knowwhatever.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
But even, why stop it ?
I don't think this is endemic.
Say what you were going to say.
Sorry, I thought that was aperiod, not a comic.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Oh no, no, no, no, it was a period.
You were right.
You're saying why doesn't hestop?

Speaker 4 (30:10):
Let's say for a second, it's almost like the
cops right, if they aren'tsupposed to be somewhere, they
find some shit, then the way itgoes is like it can still end up
in evidence.
This is law and order law, bythe way, so don't fucking at me,
lawyers, but but I do thinkthere's truth to this, but I

(30:31):
think that, but I do think likethey can not say shit to the
other cops.
And if the other cop figuresout that that was the gun that
was used to shoot whoever, thenthey're allowed to bring it in,
because, yes, I knew it throughthis fucked up way or this
illegal way, but it was foundout otherwise.

(30:52):
So to me, yes, he doesn't.
He is not compelled through hisallegiance to Trent and, I
would argue, certainly not withany allegiance to to Nate to
stop them from finding out whoit was and when the shit hits
the fan and Trent goes.

(31:12):
Dude, I told you in confidencehe can, in all sincerity and
honesty, go.
I didn't say shit.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
I understand where you guys are coming from with
keeping Trent's confidence, butI think the other side of that
is that Trent specifically brokeprofessional and ethical
standards in order to get thatinformation to Ted.
I don't think that he wantedTed not to use it.
I think that he was expectingthat Ted would do something with
that information.

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Oh, that's interesting, I think also
Castleton when you, I thatletonwhen you, before you attack me,
which I know is your favoritething, I can see you already
licking the blood off your blade.
But I would say the three of usgo out, we have a beer, then
liquor and we get very sickerand then you deface, you

(32:04):
graffiti up somebody's car.
Okay, now the police come andsay, hey, uh, did you?
Uh?
You see, I ever see anybodygraffiti up a car and I go oh no
, I don't know what you'retalking about, officer, because
I don't think that we need tohurt the franchise.
Uh for a?

(32:26):
Um, I wouldn't let you graffitisomebody's car.
This is a terrible example,yeah internally internally.
I would say this is notindicative of this is a mistake.
This is not um a, this is not acharacter trait of Emily's.
She was not quite herself.
Something's cooking and I willhandle it.
I have a degree of loyalty tothis person and to the

(32:51):
organization and as the head ofthe organization, I'm being Ted
Lasso now.
I'm the doormat of thisparticular organization.
But as the head, the buck stopswith him and it's his job.
You know, slowly at the top, hehas to hold everything together
.
He has to make the rightdecision.
He's not gonna spout off, he'snot gonna react.

Speaker 4 (33:12):
I think it's like important yeah, but he doesn't
respond either though naturallyreact he doesn't respond either.
That's a whole other thing.
But it's not the same asdragging Nate through the mud.
No, he doesn't have to dragNate through the mud to no, he
doesn't have to drag Natethrough the mud to go.
Hey, if you said some shit toNate that you don't want to end
up in a newspaper or that you'renervous could end up in a
newspaper, I would tighten shitup immediately, because it's

(33:35):
Nate's not going to say that.
But that's a problem, coach.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
That in itself I agree.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
I'm not saying it's not a Is the problem that in
itself I'm not saying it's not aI'm saying cause he's not gonna
do shit about it.
See, I can see saying to thepolice nah man, I was, I was a
drink beer before liquor man, Idon't remember shit.
Alright, cool, as soon as theyleave, I'm gonna be like god
damn it Emily too much.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
That's the step.
That is the step.
Yes, absolutely that's the step.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
We don't get to see right a hundred percent one of
the things, but it still doesn'tstop.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
The first step is all I'm saying okay, but here is.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
You guys are envisioning this way differently
from what I am.
You're thinking that he goesinto the richmond clubhouse and
he's like hey, everybody,fucking nate did this shit, you
don't need to handle it that way, what he?
Could have done, was told, onlyRebecca.
And then the next morning, tedor Rebecca and a lawyer from
Richmond goes to Nate's houseand says you are done with the

(34:38):
club, you sign an NDA and we saythat you're leaving at the end
of the season in order to pursueanother opportunity.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Or you don't sign an N NDA and we say that you're
leaving at the end of the seasonin order to pursue another
opportunity, or he's at west andwe are announcing no, no, no,
no not not yet.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
No, oh my god I'm traveling through time.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I am sorry, I am sorry and you're right, by the
way, that yeah, yeah, but Ithink, but I am with boss in
terms of you still got to dosomething.
No, you're not.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
No, you're not that.
You're not with boss to do that.
You would never.
Why not Dude?
No, no, no, no, tell me what'swrong with it.
I'm not your dude right now.
Okay, wait, you're not.

(35:29):
Hold on, wait.
Um, I don't know what thatmeans.
Um, we're not on a ranch.
Um, all I'm saying is uh, Ithink I, I really this is.
We talk about hard lines andsoft lines.
We're not going to agree aboutthis.
I totally get it, boss.
I think it's, I think you are.
It's reflective of how you seethe world and it's very.
It can be very, very black andwhite in certain cases, like he
has.
He has transgressed, he hascrossed the line and for anyone

(35:53):
that's listened to season threeon our podcast, you will know.
All I do is reference this linecrossing from Nate and how the.
You know the level of, you know, relative inaction from the
coaches at large and ted andwhatever.
So in one way, I'm arguingagainst myself, but in this
moment I still think ted thinkshe has it under control.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
That's what I'm lobbying I don't think he does.
I think he thinks in his mind.
I think he may even wish it,but I don't think he believes it
.
He knows good and fucking wellthere's a problem, and he knows.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Right, but don't you think he thinks he can fix it?
Fix what he can fix it how?

Speaker 1 (36:34):
By waiting like he's a cat or a baby.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Like dude, like clock is done, ticking Like time's up
.
Yeah.
What the fuck's going on withNate?
I don't know, but we got to gethim the fuck out of here.
He talking to the newspaper,he's the anonymous source, All
right, but what would thatsignify?
What?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
would that signify?
What would that?
That would signify that Ted hasmade a grievous error and Ted
is not ready to accept that.
He still believes that he madethe right call with Nate and
he's not ready to own his ownmistake by shitting.

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Nate out of the door.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
Maybe he needs to become a goldfish.
Because the truth of the matteris it's not about you, ted.
You say it about other things,but you're not seeing it here.
It's not about you or yourfeelings about Nate or any of
that.
There's a problem.
Just like I, I like, I, likeJamie, just fine.

(37:32):
But if you come in after I bentyou and tell me about your
hamstring, you in charge ofcones now, fuck that shit.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Yes, yes, and I think that this is.
Then it becomes a bigger issuewith the writing of the season
than the actual characterizationof Ted.
This is supposed to be EmpireStrikes Back.
Ted is supposed to be fuckingup.
He isn't doing well what he isthinking about here, where he's
like oh, I'm going to handlethis with Nate, this isn't a
transgression or it's not thatbig of a deal, or it's not that

(38:02):
big of a deal.
Or especially the thing thatbothers the fuck out of me, the
thing that, like in my own shit,triggers me immensely, is that
there are other people who arein danger and Ted is not
standing up for them.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Like.
In danger by your definition,not Ted's definition.
No, no, no, no.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I think objectively they are in danger.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
Beard said I was on mushrooms.
At a game I am living in acountry where it is illegal to
smoke weed and I was at mygirlfriend's house stoned on
mushrooms.
Like he could lose his job, hecould be kicked out of the
country.
Beard is in danger if Nate goesto the press with that
information out of the country.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Beard is in danger if nate goes to the press with
that information.
It's very frustrating that Ican't, uh, fast forward and cite
outcomes here, um, becauseultimately, ted, ted's take on
this is, in show terms, uh,validated, oh, I don't agree.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
So ultimately, um, okay, but that is also weak
writing on my, in my opinion.
My opinion is the show set upthis situation where, instead of
what is the essay that youargue to say, this was how
things would have worked out inreal life.
These things would havehappened, and not just that.

(39:22):
I wanted things to be nice, soI made them this way because I
am arguing that what?
Happened was not just nice.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
It's like this is a, this is, this is the uh,
organizational, um, uh versionof turn the other cheek, where
you say like, okay, I understandthat I've been hit and now I'm
going to.
I'm going to, I'm going tomodel a different type of
behavior than the normal humanreaction of walking this guy out

(39:48):
the door.
I'm going to figure out a wayto look at this differently, and
first I'm going to analyze howI feel about it and how my role
and how this came to be, becausethis hasn't happened, to our
knowledge, in Ted's coachingcareer, so it's something he's

(40:08):
got to think and say hey, listen, what we're going to I'm
actually going to.
There's a line specificallythat I want to come back to, but
I really love this and I'm notsaying you guys are wrong.
I mean you are, but I'm notsaying that Hold on, sorry, I'm
not going to let that last oneslide.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
No, no, no, no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Listen, we need to talk about that specifically.
What?
What are we talking about?
I am talking specifically abouthow I am saying the show set up
the three seasons that Ted issupposed to be fucking up, that
Ted is supposed to not belooking out for his team in the
right way, not handling Nate theway, that he's supposed to be
not paying enough attention toeven fucking know that Nate has
been abusing Will all season,that he has been checked out and

(40:52):
that he is not doing the bestcoaching of his life, and we, as
the audience, need to thinklike if you're going to pick up
players' feelings over a coach'sduty, I don't want to drink
with somebody that selfish.
That is what they told us in thefirst season and in this season
, what they're telling us isevery single time that Ted turns

(41:13):
his cheek, he is right, exceptin this case.
Nate is about to slap the fuckout of everybody else on the
team and Ted isn't standing upto him.
That is what bothers me.
I don't care if Ted wants toturn a million fucking cheeks
for every person out in thefucking world, that's fine.
He is the leader, he is theperson responsible for
protecting everybody else on histeam and he is leaving them
vulnerable.

(41:33):
That is what pisses me off.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Right, that is what he's doing.
You want action at this pointrather than his.
You would say, okay, in theinterest of what might happen.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
In the safety of the team.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I'm compelled to take it.
I wish I didn't have to, butyou forced my hand because I
know it's not like I don'tunderstand your take.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
What I thought when we first said.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
I'm like.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Lieutenant Caffey?
No, no, I was just going to sayI thought the issue Boss was
going to have was thepro-Jessup-y take, which is
Nathan.
Jessup was the one who saidLieutenant Caffey couldn't
handle the truth, but we knowthat Daniel Caffey could, so why

(42:19):
is Ted taking Jessup's side inthat?

Speaker 1 (42:23):
Oh just because that's Ryan's point of view, I
get where you're going in that.
Oh, just because that's Ryan's,I get where you're going with
that.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
I mean, that's just that it's a bad pun.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Well, alright, I mean , I think he's just referencing
the.

Speaker 4 (42:38):
I think this is closer to that than any real
analysis.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
He's all turned around.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
The characters.
But here's to me we've talkedabout this when we got I think
we landed where I'm about todescribe when Jamie comes back
to the club and we get a shot ofSam looking at Ted and I

(43:04):
remember having a conversationand I feel like you two sold me
on.
Certainly, boss, I know, was onthis hey look, if he decided
that, because of bad dads orwhatever, that we're going to
allow him back in, then that'sfine.
You're the coach, you get todecide that.

(43:26):
But he did owe it to Sam, whoshared why he didn't want Jamie
there.
He did owe it to Sam to go tohim and say hey look, when he
walks out on that field.
That is not a signal that Idon't give a shit what you had
to say or that you were hurt.
Here's what I'm seeing from thebig picture of it all and this

(43:47):
is why I'm making the decision,and I think that fits in with
what Doc Rivers said, which is,I think, that's best for the
team Right now.
In my opinion, ted, frankly, isbeing about Ted.
I don't know how Richmond'sbetter off to not know that
there is somebody in thisbuilding who has already this is

(44:10):
not theoretical who has alreadysold us out the selling out
part is over Sold Ted out no theclub Sold out Ted, no, the club
.
If I say, oh, I was with JoeBiden yesterday and he had
hookers and blow, yes, it'sabout Biden, but that's

(44:32):
impacting America.
You can't just like divorce himfrom it.
Why does Trent Crimm give afuck about Ted's anxiety?
Why is the whole town talkingabout it, ted's anxiety, why is
the whole town talking about it?
Not because some fucking guyfrom Kansas has anxiety, but
because the gaffer for AFCRichmond has anxiety.
I see.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Okay, yeah, right, you're absolutely right.
It's very, very well stated Inthe room.
Because they don't know,rebecca, they gloss right over
it.
One last thing I want to tossin, coach, I'm sorry.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
One last thing I do want to toss in.
Recently in my own life I havebeen thinking about how, how we
can judge things or make ourconclusions about things based
on who we like in the firstplace.
And it happens in sportsarguments all the time.
So if I like the person whodoesn't have any championships,

(45:33):
I argue, oh well, but they didthis and they did that and they
had all these points.
And if I don't like the personwith all the points in the chair
, I say, well, yeah, they scoredall those fucking points, but
do they ever win?
And I got to say this is anarea I have glossed over in my
watching, because I love Ted somuch and I want to be aligned

(45:54):
with Ted so badly that I gavehim a pass.
But I'm not sure we shouldActually.
I'm sure we shouldn't a pass,but I'm not sure we should.
Actually, I'm sure we shouldn't.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Okay, yeah, I mean, humans are messy.
That is how we value things,it's how we rate things, how we
are corrupted by our own likesand dislikes.
And yeah, we say it all thetime Anytime humans get involved
, things are going to getinherently messy.
Keely says my advice is nopress until after the match.
Rebecca agrees Concentrate onthe big task and on hand beating

(46:28):
Brentford.
Yes, because if we lose it willkill me, says Higgy Baby.
What is that?
What is that about?
Because he's so close he cantaste it and if he gets that
close to promotion, his littlerabbit heart won't be able to

(46:54):
manage.
Is that all that is Okay?

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Yeah, I think so Okay .

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Please don't lose, ted, I beg you.
Hey, don't you worry, higNewton, I'm on it like a bonnet.

Speaker 4 (47:10):
I feel like I've heard that one.

Speaker 3 (47:12):
I got nothing on that .

Speaker 4 (47:14):
I feel like I've heard that one before.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
There was a bonnet.
There was a bonnet one, yeah,but it wasn't.
I don't know.
Bonnets are on it Technically.
Uh, it's just a lot of rhyming.
I feel like a lot of them wereplaceholders.
So we talked about this in uh,season two, episode one, and
then I've harangued and harpedon it the whole time.
Um, you know you know, therereally I just want, I want them

(47:38):
to believe in themselves.
You know, ghosts believe inthemselves.
That's the gold standard.
And then this is a distantcousin it's still Ted Lasso, but
it doesn't have that secondtier, meaning it's still fine,
it's still very Ted Lasso.

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I know we've talked about it in different places,
but I'm wondering and this maybe giving the show and the
writers now more credit but I'mwondering if he resorts to the
rhyming more, because we know hedoes it throughout, but does he
resort to it more when he isunder stress?

Speaker 3 (48:13):
so the more he's putting on a performance, the
more like where that's when weget, like this scene, which is
like just one after the nextyeah, it's just diffracting yeah
I think that that would bereally great characterization,
but I think then also we do needthe reaction shot from the
people that love him, that likepick up on the fact that yeah,

(48:35):
like that his game is not 100.
But what do you mean, paulieshore?
Pauly Shorey isn't a person.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
You're just making shit up now.
I know it's Pauly Shore, butPauly Shorey, pauly Shorey.
But it takes rid of the PaulyRight.
He says Pauly Shore, right,pauly Shorey, as he said.
I thought he said Pauly Shorey,but I could be wrong.
Okay, I'll double check, buteither way, yes no that would
have been great characterization.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
It requires, then, everybody in the room saying
silently to each other oh, tedis not doing well right now, ted
is bad.
I think that is the extramissing from the writing that we
needed in order to make thisall work.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Well, rebecca, right away, does what she always does.
She cracks open the box ofbiscuits like it's an
amphetamine and she immediatelytakes a bite.
I really like how she dives onin.
It is glorious.
Except this time.
What happens, boss?

Speaker 3 (49:35):
Oh, he did salt instead of sugar.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Yeah, oh God, this tastes like shit.
Oh yeah, Well, it was a roughnight.
Now I'm absolutely positivethat it's a switch to salt and
sugar.
I'm sorry about that.
And he goes to, uh, take itback, and this is kind of fun.
What, what does she?
What does she do here, boss?

Speaker 3 (49:54):
when he goes to try to wait.
Wait, oh, actually maybe it'snot that bad.
Oh, it's a sneaky, salty bitchwhich, like, listen, she's not
wrong.
Lots and lots of desserts sayfinish it with, like coarse sea
salt, just a little bit, becauseit heightens the sweetness,
makes it good.
Yeah, definitely do that.

(50:15):
A chocolate-covered pretzel,give me a fucking break.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
All day long.
Yeah, break all day long.
Yeah, in the movie film, shocka lot when they put sprinkled a
little tiny tiny bit of salt inthe, in the chocolate, uh, milk
or hot chocolate, it was thefirst one.
You're like, wait a sec, whatis this?
You know a little cayennepepper, there's all these like
different mingling tastes that,uh, that heighten the experience
.
I know people put salt onwatermelons.

(50:42):
Have you ever done that?
I've done that.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I have not, but that's because I hate watermelon
.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Ah well, something tells me it hates you back.
Coach, You've done it.

Speaker 4 (50:54):
I have, I like it actually, but you know, I know
people have feelings.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
When did you start that?
Oh, I was a kid.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I think it's.
I think I remember my mom.
I remember my mom sort of justtelling me at some point in a
similar way, like some peopleput salt on and me thinking like
all right, I'll try that and Idid like the.
Um, I actually do like thatcombination like there's, like a
salted caramel ice cream.
Yeah I don't even rememberwhere I had it, but I remember
like yes, and be like oh goodgod, oh it's, it's everywhere
now.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Salted caramel is pretty out there and it's a very
common thing these days.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
There's actually, I read something about how this is
why people who like Indian foodlove Indian food because they
have sweet, spicy, sour, all ofthe spices, along with some heat
mixed in there.
And if you don't like that, ifyou're like, why in the fuck is
my uh, chicken, chicken, tikkamasala a little bit sweet, like

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some people?
It bothers them.
Or your castleton and anythingabove a red pepper is just gonna
blow your taste buds out.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
It's not by choice.
I love, I love chicken.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
No, no, no, I'll fall over like a plane.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
You need the kids version of it I should have
thought of you on this one,coach.
I don't know if either of youwatches Hot Ones, but I do on
occasion.
I'm not like whatever, butDaphne's watched more than I
have.
Anyway, for last year, for herbirthday or Father's Day or some
such, she bought me the kit.
So we've been threatening.

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We were going to do it, we'regoing to do it, we're going to
do it, and so we lined up the 10.
We had some friends over onEaster and so Daphne cooked up a
bunch of wings and some wingsubstitutes for her vegan self
and we lined up all 10 andwalked through.
I found that number eight thebomb easily could have been

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number 11.
I'm not sure who did theranking system, but I was like
God damn, yeah, the bomb, yeah,like I still kind of feel the
bomb a little bit like in myspirit, like that was, that was
serious, but no, it was fun.
But yes, you would have died on, like number three, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
I'm still amazed that , like you had like one and then
two.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
Like and then three Like on the same in the same
sitting.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I'm like I just can't even Wait.
So did you stop at eight?

Speaker 4 (53:24):
Is that you gotta?
No, no, no, no, I did, we didall 10, everybody and everybody
finished but eight.
You think, oh, everybody, butfor me eight was the killer.
Now, interestingly, uh, my son10 was the killer and then he
went into a.
He's very, he can be very funnyand dramatic.
So, like at one point he waslike laid across.
He's like laid on his bellyacross his chair, like I'm like,
all right, get up, he's dying.
Point.
He was like laid across, he'slike laid on his belly across

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his chair, like I'm like, allright, get up, he's done.
Yeah, he was dying.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
So now, I kind of I do kind of want to watch castles
and do it.
Only it would be like numberone is like ketchup and then
number seven is like barbecuesauce no I can't I can't do a
spicy barbecue sauce.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
Honestly, I can't.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
What about a sweet baby raise, can you?

Speaker 2 (54:07):
handle that.
That's sweet though.
I love sweet baby raise.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
I just needed to know where the oh no no no, once it
starts to get heat.

Speaker 4 (54:16):
Get some heat.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
When you think I can't do.
What's the stuff?
Everybody shakes on theirtabasco, yeah, tabasco can't
even do, yeah yeah, it's aboutlike a one, one, three drop, you
know, wrist tilt of, of oftabasco, and I'm going to the
that's depending on the meal yousee me doing tabasco like

Speaker 1 (54:39):
yeah shaking like just so you take, you take the
stopper out.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Exactly, I can't, I can't.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Here's how I have to mentally, because I usually will
cook our eggs and cookbreakfast.
I do most of the cooking.
I know that she likes a littleTabasco, so I have to be careful
.
I'll throw it on her eggs andget it all.
She likes a little heat andthen put it down, and actually
real careful not to go like if Iget a little on my finger oh

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yeah hit my head on the, hit myhead on the counter and and die.
It's not that bad.
I really would.
I could do, I could put that inmy mouth, but right, that's
what she said.

Speaker 4 (55:21):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (55:26):
It would bother me and it would stay with me and it
would not fit me Also what shesaid.
You're number eight there,Coach.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Just real quick.
Did I tell you guys about incollege when we got to do
catering for the Chicago Bears?
No, they were renovatingSoldier Field here in Chicago so
they would play all their homegames at U of I.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
I do remember that.
I remember when they playeddown at Champaign Yep, yep, yep.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
Yeah, I remember that yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
So when they did that I was working for the catering
company through school and wecatered all of the games, like
the family box and then themeals that they would take on
the bus, the actual team members, to the bus, to the airplane to
get back to Chicago.
Keith Traylor is my favoriteplayer of that era.
He one time accidentally caughtan interception.

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Big offensive linemanAccidentally caught an
interception and had to run itdownfield.
The fellow Bears were pushinghim along.
He was like I can't, cansomebody please take this ball
from me?

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Like what the fuck am I?

Speaker 3 (56:24):
doing with this.
He was amazing.
I loved him.
They had one of the meals wasfried fish and potato salad and
a bunch of other like like apicnic kind of type thing.
And he is standing with the togo box like loading it up, and
he's picks up the Tabasco bottleand he's shaking for like 30

(56:46):
straight seconds and the line isforming behind him and he's
still just shaking and likepeople are starting to get
annoyed and he's still going.
And finally he looks over at me, dead in the eye, and he's like
I'm just gonna take this withme I was like for sure, whatever
you need, man, you listenfantastic.

Speaker 4 (57:03):
Take it and go.
And he just took a full bottleof Tabasco.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
It was one of my favorite things I've ever seen.
I just walked away.
He's like this is mine now.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
I love it.
I love it.
Yeah, she's a sneaky, saltybitch and Ted sort of redeems
all of the terrible stuffbecause he says what here, boss,
go ahead, coach, were you gonnasay something?

Speaker 4 (57:30):
I was sorry real quick apparently on it like a
carbon.
It is a british saying so, justtossing in that may have also
been the writers trying to addin, a little like his ears have
been picking up what's going onaround him.
I will give more information onthat in a moment.
I was moving quickly, but Ijust wanted, before we move on.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Isn't a bonnet, though, the bonnet of the car?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
It's a car bonnet.
Yes, it's a car bonnet.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
Yeah, but do you know what part of the car, the
bonnet is?
I?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
don't.
I assumed a car bonnet would bea car cover, but the way you
just said that made me think.
No, it's an actual part of thevehicle it's um.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
This is like how they call it the boot, but actually
the boot is in the front and theengine is in the back, or some
bullshit.
They do everything weird there.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Yeah, weirdos, here we go.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
It's called the hood.
There we go.
We call it the hood, alsoreferred to as the bonnet in
some countries, the hinged coverthat rests over the engine bay
in the front engine vehicle.
What would you like to open thebonnet?

Speaker 4 (58:35):
Gov Not what I would have guessed in a million years.
Okay, but there we are, Okay sosneaky, salty bitch.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
And what does he say?
Boss, I would have guessed in amillion years.
Okay, but there we are.
Okay, so Sneaky, salty Bitch.
And what does he say, boss?

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Oh, that's like Heather Locklear on Melrose
Place, right?
Although honestly it could beHeather Locklear in most of her
roles.
Let's get real.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
I don't know enough.
I wasn't a huge Melrose Placeperson, but it seemed like
everybody really liked that,especially keely, who says, oh
yeah, that's exactly a describer.
Um and uh, oh, heather, um, we,we cut to the, to the uh,
richmond locker room.
I love.
Uh, this should not have hit meat all at all.

(59:19):
It should not have hit me atall.
It should not have hit me atall.
And yet you guys know how hardI try to make workplaces fun and
enjoyable and culturally greatplaces to be, and I love team
building and I love when peoplefeel psyched to be at work,
because most Americans at leastspend more time with their

(59:40):
co-workers than they do withtheir family and friends, which
is, you know, sick.
But if you have great coworkersand you love what you do, it
feels like Sam feels when hewalks in here.
I just love that he walks inand it's a bunch of handshakes
and he's happy to see people andyou know it feels nice to walk
into a place and be greeted andwelcomed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
Yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
It feels nice to walk into a place and be greeted and
welcome.
Yes, yes, there was something Irealized about when we log into
the recording studio.
Here I am in the Boston area,coach is in Los Angeles, boss is
in Chicago.
Sometimes this happened today,where you don't know if our

(01:00:26):
moods are aligned and sometimesCoach will come in like a monk
you guys wouldn't, you don't?
He doesn't show this side ofhim as much, but he'll be like
deep, deep in thought and he isvery intelligent and he's like a
soulful person.
And so I'm like, yeah, that'snot going to play on the air and
all I have to do is is just sayone thing and he turns into a

(01:00:49):
seventh grader and startslaughing and, and just right
away is huge Personality comesout and I'm like that's my
version of um, you know Samwalking in and people are like
I'm so excited to see coach.
It feels like you know, and,and, boss, I'm so excited to be
part of this team that no, no,no, it's true.

(01:01:10):
No, no, no, it sounded.
It sounded worse than that.
Then it came out wrong.
It's just thrilling to be in asituation where you really
admire the people you work with.
Every time we, uh, we sit hereand we talk about these shows, I
, I learn something and I get tosee a perspective I hadn't uh

(01:01:31):
considered and and it feels likesam feels you just go, god,
this is really nice, like it'sjust really a great place to be
and and I love that and I, youknow, I you know I'm an optimist
about a lot of things, but itwould be really nice if people
felt that at work.
You know it's so shitty to feellousy at work and and then if

(01:01:54):
work itself sucks, yeah, and,and you don't like what you do,
and then, on top of it, thepeople suck and you know you got
hump day people, uh, and thensomebody's got a case of the
mondays.
You know, you got that wholedynamic where you go, oh, jesus
christ, like it's.
You know it, it makes the timeslow down.

(01:02:14):
And so when I saw this again,this is a total, just me, me
adding stuff to it, but I justloved the choice of sam coming
in and being psyched to see histeammates yes to everything
there and anybody who's been apart of it, whether it is an
office or it is a team lockerroom or it is like there is
something absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:02:35):
I've been on tour, uh , with the gospel choir and
stuff and with other same groupsand there is something about
when you reach that point whereeverybody's kind of like settled
in to the roles and maybe somepeople hang out more than others
but everybody's friends.
Anyway, I'm with you that thatresonated and I don't think it's

(01:02:57):
by mistake that it's at thebeginning of this particular
scene.
I did want to highlight that heis wearing full green and I've
talked about how homeland green,sort of grounded green, versus
more spiritual with the orangeand so on, and so you know, at
any rate, I think it'ssignificant that he has on a

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whole green sweatsuit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
It is the color of Team Nigeria as well, and he
walks in and finds a gift forhim and we get an insert of the
note.
Boss, what does the note say,please?

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
Sam, I can't wait to see you in this.
Hope you don't mind, I pickedout your number E.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
From E Entourage Exactly Turtle don't mind.

Speaker 3 (01:03:46):
I picked out your number e from e entourage
exactly turtle.
I know turtle when people sayentourage, I'm like I you could
say turtle, and that will be athing that people I've never
seen a second of entourage ohgod, god, they're, they're see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
This is why you know, I like watching people, watch
shows.
We at the, at the, at theantagonist blog, we have a
writer who is.
She is.
I love her so much it hurts, ithurts, hurts my skin.
She's like a sister.
Her name is Orly Minizad andshe is originally from Iran.

(01:04:22):
Her name is Orly Minizad andshe is originally from Iran, and
so she came to this country,has a totally different out the
way she sees things.
She came here when she was 12,moved to Los Angeles and has
such a just her outlook.
It's so, it's unbelievable.
I've never met anybody like her, the way she sees the world,
and she's never seen a lick ofGame of Thrones.

(01:04:43):
I'm dying, dying.
I am dying every.
Every time we have, uh, writersstaff meetings, we just say we
gotta just all of us watch orly,watch game of thrones.
And boss, you would hateentourage.

Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
Yeah, I mean hate like I watched about maybe two
seasons.
I'm trying to remember when Istopped, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
Well, the biggest problem is what's his face?
Who's the Adrian?
Somebody or other who plays thelead character?

Speaker 1 (01:05:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:14):
Whatever his name is, I made the mistake of reading
one of the most unintentionallyhilarious celebrity interviews
with him ever, where he wastalking about his work to
environmental work.
Very respectable thing to beinvolved with.
I don't knock him for that atall.

(01:05:34):
Good on him for doing it.
He did at one point yell at thewaiter because the waiter
brought a drink that had a strawin it.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
She's not okay.

Speaker 3 (01:05:42):
You don't yell at the waiter Come on, and maybe he
didn't yell, but maybe he's justlike.
I told you not to bring me astraw and there was a straw.
He was pissed about it and thenhe said to the interviewer
there are enough straws usedevery year In the United States
To fill 40 school buses.
Those school buses should betaking kids to school.
School buses, those schoolbuses should be taking kids to

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school.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
And I'm like sir, that's the best quote I've ever
heard.
No, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
Yes, they do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
They take them off and they take all the years just
to make sure, because it couldbe 39, it could be 41.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
It's not Adrian.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Raniere's fault, that you don't understand school bus
straw.

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Oh, my fucking God Forage procedure.
Those buses should be takingkids to school.

Speaker 4 (01:06:33):
That reminds me Once I was at camp and they were
doing the whole thing wherethey're like.
You know, it takes this much,takes this much land.
Essentially, you have to usethis much land to produce a
pound of beef, but this muchland to produce whatever the

(01:06:53):
crop was and to give a pound ofwhatever that was.
And this person with greatconviction in my group went nah
because it's a pound is a poundis a pound.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
Oh God.

Speaker 2 (01:07:10):
That's true.
A pound of feathers drops justas fast as a pound of bricks
goes.
A pound is a pound is a pound.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yep, nope, there it is.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
I think you guys just have it wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
I still hold on to a pound as a pound, as a like.
I feel like political discourseat this point has reached a
pound as a pound as a pound,where I just go like I don't you
know how far I would have to goback to get you to understand
what's going on here, like jesuschrist I have to go so far back
to undo what I'm experiencingright now.

(01:07:43):
Wow, yeah, there you go.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah, the taxonomy is troubling.
I will say, yeah, akufo signsthis note.
It's his paper, it's, I wouldsay, letterhead, but there's a
you know, it's expensiveStationary Card stock yeah,
stationary with his name at thebottom.

(01:08:08):
And the way that he tries tofoster closeness by I'll shake
your hand, I won't shake youknow white boy's hand or
whatever other people's hand.
I took it as a black, whitething, but maybe it's not.
Um, the way he'll say like oh,you get to call me e, like my

(01:08:29):
friends call me, like you don'thave to say you know, you know
the dwin that's for strangers.
You and me, we're gonna.
We're gonna build championshipstogether.

Speaker 4 (01:08:39):
We go we go way back to two weeks ago on our fake
date I mean yeah, shit right,right, exactly right, um.

Speaker 2 (01:08:49):
So sam sees this, uh and uh, he's like oh okay, what
is this?
And uh, coach, he opens thisbox up and what is it?

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
it is.
Theoretically, his jersey saysobasanya and has the number 10.
He we've already had theapology for choosing the number,
which is a big deal for a lotof athletes, so that was a nice
little touch and uh, but itlooks, it looks amazing and it's
meant to look amazing, and it'smeant to make him envision
himself, you know, playing forcasablanca, casablanca.

(01:09:23):
So it's like an extension ofthat speech, right, like it's
like imagine it.
So, yeah, definitely.
And what's the why 10?
I don't know why 10?
.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Why did he choose 10?
Aren't you supposed to be anexpert on Roger Casablanca?

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
Absolutely 100%.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
No, I really don't know why.
10.
Some of us can't stop harpingon our Ivy League education, I
assume you don't know that here,boy Like what.
My whole life is dedicated topointing out stupid shit, you
don't know, I thought you werehere.

Speaker 1 (01:10:09):
No, that was Coke Zero.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
I know you so well that you saying that makes me
think of the story where, afteryou graduated, you had to take a
fucking soul drinking job, Ipromise.

Speaker 4 (01:10:25):
I will talk about the job at Lenders Bagels, I
promise, but let's not do it nowbecause it takes a while when I
get fucking rolling on that one.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
I love it.
I love it.
So he gets this jersey andlooks around, covers it up
quickly.
Now we cut to the office.
We get an insert shot, Not aninsert.
We just get a single of CoachBeard.
What's he reading there?
Is that the?

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
I think it's Pyramid of Success.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Which is interesting, because what's the title of
this episode?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
That would be Inverting the Pyramid.
But isn't the name of the bookInverting the Pyramid?

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
I thought so, so I think none of this matters.

Speaker 4 (01:11:19):
Well, I believe, and I can do some Googling I'm
running with that verb now, butsome Googling about this in a
moment.
But I believe Inverting thePyramid is a book about
advancement in footballF-U-T-B-O-L strategy, because I
feel like I oh yeah, yeah, yeah,Inverting the Pyramid Right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
But then the Pyramid of Success is the John Wooden
Right that we, yeah, yeah,inverting the pyramid, right,
but then the pyramid of successis the John Wooden Right that
we've talked about Right so it'sa mashup of those two concepts,
right, yeah, jamie, we'vetalked about this many times
with certain characters.
We just don't see them together, as often we get Jamie Tartt
poking his head in and Coach,can you walk us through this

(01:12:02):
little, this little interactionhere?

Speaker 4 (01:12:05):
so beard hits him with I don't hear any grunting.
Jamie's got the information heneeds and he walks out.
Ah, and he walks out.
Hey morning, nate walks in,totally not nervous.
What would he be nervous aboutthis morning, like no,
everything's fine, he's gotnothing to worry about.

(01:12:28):
Sure, morning Nate.
He gets back from Beard Is Royhere?
No, and then Beard picks up themagazine I mean the newspaper
in a most pointed way.
The magazine I mean thenewspaper, in a most pointed way
flashes the Ted cover-up storycomplete with a picture of Ted

(01:12:51):
there.
This is Trent Crimm's article.
You seen this.
And Nate, ever the smooth one.
Yes, oof, it's awful.
Yeah, oof, it's awful.
Yeah, yeah, it was awful.
And I appreciated Beard atleast saying something.

(01:13:14):
But I also appreciated that hedidn't go all the way there,
because Ted has made it clearthat's not what's happening here
and he still seems to beholding back on.
Like I will rip this guy's headoff, just give me the word.
So, but I think, letting Nateknow I know you, I know it's you

(01:13:37):
and you are full of shit, so atleast we understand each other
that much.
I know it was you.
That's what I got from theexchange.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
No, it was you afraid .

Speaker 4 (01:13:53):
No, really I mean.
What do you think I mean?

Speaker 3 (01:13:56):
I absolutely knew you were going to do that, did you
really?
Oh, 100%.

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
That's great, that's great, that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
I knew that was coming.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
That's great I mean, I love me some Godfather, but I
didn't see it coming.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
It's just obvious.
Yeah, I wonder why you respectthis.
It's so interesting to me.
And I'm guessing then that thewalk and talk well, I don't know
actually, because they didn'treally talk he says, no, I don't
know what you're talking about.
We see it in his back pocket.
So maybe he didn't talk withTed about it, but he's just

(01:14:28):
inferring what he knows aboutTed to say, like Ted's handling
this, it's not my place tohandle it.
I'm guessing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:33):
That's the way I took it.
I mean, I'm curious if else,but that's the way I took it is
like if it was, he didn't feelhandcuffed.
Right now nate would be pickingup his teeth right.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
I think if this, if, if I was uh ted and you were
beard coach, I think nate wouldbe up against.
Oh my god, I'd have to come inand break it up yeah, yeah,
right, like I don't think so.
So this just shows anincredible amount of restraint
on Beard's part, but he clearlyno, he's not.
When Jamie walked in, he didn'tshow him the paper.

Speaker 4 (01:15:09):
No, no, no, this isn't just the topic of the
morning.
He had it there for this moment.
He was like, yeah, fuck that.
Yeah, no, I'm for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:15:20):
There are a couple of things about this scene I need
to address because it doesbother me.
I feel like this is one ofthose times where the writers
wrote something and they're like, yes, this is how we set up
this thing for this thing, forthis thing, and there needs to
be somebody else.
That comes in and was like well, wait, hold on, how did you get
from point a to point b?
Because jamie comes in and he'slike oh, roy around.

(01:15:42):
And they're doing that becausethey want Nate to come in and
say, oh, is Roy around?
Because in the last episode,nate tried to kiss Keely.
So Nate is about to see Roy forthe first time after trying to
kiss his girlfriend.
He's like Roy's going to fuckmy shit up.
Why is Jamie nervous right now?
Because he told Keely that heloved her at the funeral.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
And then saw Roy in the last episode and wasn't
weird and wasn't uncomfortable.
And then at the end of the lastepisode then Keely told Roy
what was going on.
Does Jamie have any idea thatKeely told Roy then why?

Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
was.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Jamie, not nervous earlier?
Like all of a sudden, jamie isnervous about Roy, knowing that
he told Keely that he loved her,but it doesn't make any sense
in the timing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
I get why the writers had to.
I guess.
Yeah, I don't know if it wasannoying.
I don't know if it was annoying, adam.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
It was supposed to be that kind of deal or whatever.
I get what you're saying.
The fact that on the samemorning these two are, you know,
ready to face the music withrory does seem a little coinky
dinky.
But yeah, I I took it asjamie's been dealing with this
and realizes like fuck, that'snot who I want to be and so this
was him kind of responding tothat.
Um, yeah, but he definitelydoesn't.

(01:16:59):
There's definitely not been anycommunication with keely and I
won't share how I know that.
But there you go On my way backfrom other seasons.
I stopped in there.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
It does just feel a little bit.
Part of what bothers me aboutthis scene that we're going to
see actually in a second is thatBeard obviously knows that it
was Nate.

Speaker 4 (01:17:22):
He knows for sure.
Yeah, no question.

Speaker 3 (01:17:26):
How do Roy and Higgins not have any idea that
it must be Nate?
That's an interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
Unless.

Speaker 2 (01:17:34):
Roy doesn't even read the playbook.
Roy's like he's a lost idiot.

Speaker 4 (01:17:38):
This is interesting.
This is different, it isinteresting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:43):
I'm not, no Higgins.
I don't expect Higgins would.
Higgins is not plugged in onthat level.

Speaker 4 (01:17:48):
I don't think Higgins could fathom that Nate would do
this.
I don't think he would be as intouch with how Nate has been
veering off the path he comesdown for Diamond Dogs meetings
or whatever.
But I think some of the stuffthat's been going on it's been
more Beard and Roy who've seenit directly, so I can see that.

(01:18:13):
But your question about Roy isinteresting and he does strike
me as a kind of my dad used todo this thing where it was all
sorts of things but he would sayto to me.
I got my eye on so and so andthat meant like we are full
alert, watch this motherfucker,and um, and so I.
Roy strikes me as the kind ofguy who has that to him.

(01:18:37):
Who's like.

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
I don't trust he.
Keeps his head on a swivel.
Yeah, you know what?

Speaker 4 (01:18:42):
I'm saying I don't trust X, and that means I don't
trust X.
He keeps his head on a swivel.
Yeah, you know what I'm saying?
I don't trust X and that meansI don't trust this motherfucker
period.
Now, like that's it, and so itis.
I would be curious what theexplanation is for Roy not
saying like anonymous source.

Speaker 3 (01:18:58):
What the fuck?
Anonymous source.
Well, especially because therewere five people in the room who
know about what was happeningwith Ted.
I think anybody who has anyexperience with that group of
five people would know Teddidn't do it because Ted was the
one exposed Beard fucking didnot Absolutely Everybody knows

(01:19:18):
he soon killed Trent Krim tokill this article.
Absolutely, which means thatboth Roy and Higgins are left in
the position that they knowthey didn't do it.
They know the most reasonableexplanation is that it was
either Roy or it was Nate andanybody looking at the situation
you would know it was Nate.

(01:19:39):
Like, even if you didn't knowfor sure the way that Ayer does
you would know it was Nate.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
You know it's funny, even if you didn't know for sure
the way that beer does.
You would know.
You know it's funny even if hedidn't right.
That's very, very, absolutelyexcellent, unassailable logic.
I I would say, when you'restarting to go down this rabbit
hole, I'm like, oh you know what, if this was real, like really
roy kent, he would walk into thebuilding calmly, he would round
up everybody in the buildingand he'd put him in a room and

(01:20:06):
say someone's getting their headbutted.
You know, like he would be,like there is right it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Like I don't know which one of the sources like.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Let's say, he didn't know he would, where no one's
leaving here until I know who itis, and then you're dead like I
don't care who.
What we're gonna like.
You know what he which wouldn't.
He wouldn't just take this yeahsort of you know, sitting down,
this would be a realtransgression, like on a
different level, for roy,because of how he was raised and
who he is and what the sportmeans to him and the sanctity of

(01:20:36):
the locker room and all.
It would be, yes, a criminal,criminal event for him.

Speaker 4 (01:20:41):
You're right so like, if there's anybody who expects
the sanctity of a locker room,right, it's definitely Roy, and
he gets what they've built here.
He realized when he wasn'tparticipating in it.
He then decided to participatein it.
He gets it, and he's been inenough locker rooms that, like
you cannot have this, you cannothave this.

(01:21:01):
Theoretically, this story couldbe the beginning of the end of
whatever it is they thinkthey're building here, because
if people can't trust each other, you're done, you're just done.
That is true If you don't havetrust.
I mean, you know, I have awhole thing about organizational

(01:21:24):
development and Ted Lasso and Iam going to get to some of that
work.
I've been thinking about itrecently, but they've studied it
and what makes the mosthigh-performing teams the most
high-performing?
It's not degrees and it's notexperience and it's not a lot of
things.
It's psychological safety.
That's what seems, and it's nota lot of things.

(01:21:45):
It's psychological safety.
That's what.
That's what seems to be thedifference.
Is that right, yeah,psychological safety is the
thread that goes through, and ifyou're interested in this kind
of stuff, sean Acre was likethis.
Harvard professor has a bookcalled big potential that talks
about this and some other thingstoo, but that's the deep.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
We'll post it on the community site.
It's amazing.
Luckily for humanity, it onlyapplies to teams.
Right, of course Not families,if you grow up if you're like no
, not families, no, just soccerteams.
I'm sorry, what teams?
Football teams.

(01:22:27):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:22:29):
I didn't know I was on the.
I didn't know I was on thepodcast with an ugly American.

Speaker 2 (01:22:37):
So snobbery.
So, beard Roy walks in and saysJamie's looking for you.
Oh, is he?
Roy walks into the locker roomjamie, jamie is, uh, chatting it
up as his back to the theoffice.
Whenever we hear an oi, we knowit's roy or keely.
Um, this particular brand of oi, um, probably makes half the

(01:23:01):
players in the room squeeze outa chocolate potato.
And then he says Todd, which me, I like.
Jamie turns around and goeseverybody, everybody scramped.
Do you see how?

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
everybody abandoned Scatter.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
We're like.

Speaker 4 (01:23:22):
I don't even want to catch any fucking roy can't trap
.

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
No, I am out yeah, yeah, no, no, I don't want.
I'm not here for the residualdamage of having been near.
No, no, no, no, whatever dumbshit.
Jamie and and I like thes giveshim a head like this is where
your execution will take place.
Holy shit, I'm here for this.

(01:23:55):
I just love this stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's even Danny, who you know.
Football is life, it's full ofjoy.
He's looking at Jamie like Idon't know what you did, but
you're, you are a dead man,exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:24:13):
You are about to die.
Adios, amigo.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
That's exactly right.
There's no.
This is a foregone conclusion.
I do not know what happened,but I do know that your life
will come to an end.
Um, he's like uh, through there, all right, uh, although the
door, so we can't, can't,whatever, okay, like it's just
every, every little piece ofthis is is chef's kiss Beautiful

(01:24:44):
.
Jamie goes as far as like, ashe's walking around, to turn and
look at Roy to see am I aboutto get clobbered?

Speaker 4 (01:24:50):
or will he wait till yes?
Yes, he doesn't want to turnhis back to me.
I laughed out loud.
He was like, oh, you're behindme now, like I don't like that
tone, and behind me for sure.
That's no good, that's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
Everybody's still staring Every second of the
walkout.
They're all watching.
You know what's happening.
We see them.
We cut to them entering.
We're inside the room withcamera.
As they enter, jamie looks veryworried.
Roy is is laser focused.

(01:25:29):
He's, he's boring a holethrough the back of jamie's icon
hat.
Um, as they enter this room, andthen, um, we, we know what's
going to happen.
Uh, because we grew up in anera where some, you know, there,
there is crime and there ispunishment and uh, you, you know

(01:25:52):
when, uh, when men get togetherand one man has, has, uh,
broached etiquette, he's, he'sgonna get hit.
So we know for a fact, you know, this is going to end up with
Jamie being bloody and hedeserves it.
Right, that's the expectation.
Walking into this room and then, before Roy has a chance to

(01:26:17):
take a swing or, you know, bitehim or God forbid, like.
I don't know what roy is capableof, but I'm not gonna put
limitations on it.
Um, I just know jamie's in realphysical danger.
You want to talk about havinghaving a, um, a sense of, of
imminent danger.

(01:26:37):
Boss, this, this jamie's introuble here.
And uh, boss is nodding and heturns around, says wait, wait.
Can I just say something first.
Okay, which is, uh, it'salready shows, uh, copious
amounts of growth from roy?
That the answer is yeah, right,like I think, like think, while

(01:27:04):
Jamie was saying that old Roythe head would have already been
coming at his.

Speaker 4 (01:27:08):
Right in the mouth, he would have already busted a
tooth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
How's that for what you can say?
Now, you can say it.
When I finish putting my fistin your Whatever and finish the
thing, roy says, yeah, okay,that's a good idea, because when
I'm done, because when I'm done, what coach?

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
You won't have any teeth left and you'll need them
for the talking bit.
I was like, oh shit, that's aninteresting thing to have
someone say to you.
Interesting yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
Yeah, I mean this is not since the heady days of the
Splendid Cricket Pack.
Up the rectum from Rebecca.
Have we seen like Right right?

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
right.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
We haven't seen like this level of like I'm going to
knock your teeth.
The teeth particularly gets mequeasy when it's that type of,
you know, when it's like a.
Anytime there's like a oh yeah,that's a.
You know, and Wayne, there's athing where before your father
got his teeth knocked out downat the you know that hockey rink

(01:28:22):
in Taunton, I'm like oh, that'sa permanent disfigurement, like
that's a, you don't come back,you don't grow new teeth right.
So yeah, you can get them fixed,but you've had your yeah yeah
it's, it's intense, yeah, thenright, it's a skin heals a punch
in the cheek, but like anytime,it's teeth.
I get real ugh anyway, I get a.

(01:28:45):
This is all American History Xkind of.

Speaker 3 (01:28:48):
You know I just go, oh god I think maybe the death
was a little bit worse than theteeth.
No, no, no teeth.
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Stay on message please, I can't, okay, I can see
that.
Um, okay, in the face of this,jamie knows like, he knows this,
and he, and he's a kid from thestreet, he's not like a, he
didn't grow up affluent, hedoesn't you know, he understands

(01:29:17):
what this is.
Um, and he's like right, yeah,okay, like, okay, yes, I know
that's the next step.
I actually was like kind ofimpressed with the calmness in
the face of that, because Iprobably would have been
thinking like I would likelooking for like a towel stand
or something to like put betweenme and imminent attack.

(01:29:38):
I would have been like, oh shit, like, but he, but he's just
like, okay, yeah, I know howthis goes, I know what I've done
.
And then, what does he say here, boss?
What is Jamie's speech to Roy?

Speaker 4 (01:29:51):
He says I just want to jump in real quick.
I felt he didn't know quotewhat he did.
I thought Roy's pissed aboutsomething.
I will deal with, whatever thatis, and the teeth I'm going to
lose after I say the thing I'vebuilt up to saying, and that's

(01:30:12):
why I've been looking for Royall morning.
So I didn't assume Jamiethought that Roy quote, knew.
I just assumed.
I thought that Jamie figured Idid something wrong that I'm
about to hear about, but notnecessarily it was that.

Speaker 3 (01:30:32):
So I guess I'm curious if y'all assumed he he
was like oh god, roy alreadyknows what I did yeah, I think
as soon as they had to leave theroom that Jamie would know,
because if it was somethingabout the team, roy would have
called them out in front of theteam if you fucked up at
practice yesterday, tart, you'rerunning laps today, or whatever
it is and he would have draggedthem in front of them, but if

(01:30:57):
it's done in privateit's about Keely and what he
says about Keely is so at.
At rebecca's dad's funeral Itold keely that I still loved
her and it was wrong and Ishouldn't have, but I ain't used
to being around dead people.
It just it did something to meemotionally, you know, but I

(01:31:18):
still have.
I shouldn't have done it, itwas wrong, but I just need you
to know that I respect you and Irespect Keely and I respect
your relationship and I willnever, ever, do anything like
that again.

(01:31:44):
Ted has begun handlingconference or lack of
confrontation in the secondseason is that?
This is very reminiscent ofRebecca's apology to Ted in this
first season, and this is, oh,good point.
I feel like this is one of themost emotionally healthy ways to
deal with, uh, uh, an incidentwhere you feel like you've been

(01:32:04):
wronged.
You go to the person who youfeel hurt you and you expect to
talk about what happened and theother person if they're not a
total asshole will takeresponsibility and apologize.
I think that sometimes,castleton, you get the
impression that I am like, oh,that person is a bad person.
They're dead to me.
Fuck up, fuck off forever.

(01:32:25):
Go to hell.
Maureen mcnulty, I thinkanybody is capable of redemption
and forgiveness, but you needto do the work in order to get
there.
I think I truly believe givingsomebody that forgiveness before
they've done the work ismorally wrong.
It's not just that I don't likeit, it's that I believe it is

(01:32:47):
unethical to do that like I'm.
I'm serious about it, it's andlike, like little things, sure
let people off the hook all thetime I'm serious but, honest to
god, if roy had gone in thereand jamie had been like, well,
fuck, fuck off, I didn't doanything wrong, keeley's fair
game, you guys aren't marriedand Roy had forgiven him after
that, I've been like, roy,you're fucking up, you're

(01:33:09):
fucking up for your boy.
You're supposed to be tellinghim and calling him on his shit
and telling him that what he'sdoing isn't acceptable.
When it isn't acceptable, youcan't say, oh, it's fine, okay,
you have to call them on thatshit, and that's why it bothers
me so much with Nate and why Ithink this is so much better of
an example Coach before you jumpin, I also know you and I, you

(01:33:31):
and I, boss, share a.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
we are completely simpatico in the world of
apologies, yes, and that wetotally agree about how to do an
apology.
And I'll give you an exampleright now.
Everyone knows about myunabashed love for the United
States women's national soccerteam.
For the first time, there'ssomebody on the team, a new
player, young player, it's only22 who is not aligned with a lot

(01:33:58):
of the positions of the teampro LGBTQ, you, you know she's,
she's um, she's a young kid.
You know she's 22, you know,still learning the ropes, comes
from a family that you know theydid a tick talk about making
fun of pronouns and it's bad.

(01:34:19):
The optics are real bad and tothe point where she'd liked a
post that made fun of um when,when superstar Megan Rapinoe was
injured.
So you got this young kid onthe team.
Um, who, who?
Just, yeah, yeah, that one wasbad.
That one was like, just as anathlete, you can't lever like,
you can't, you can't justunderstanding what that means

(01:34:40):
for someone.
It was basically the end of hercareer, yeah, so, so there's
been a lot of fallout from thatand she posted an apology and
the apology used the languageI'm sorry if anyone was offended
and right.
Yep, I knew it.
The passive voice and an apologyis totally unacceptable.
I knew it.
The passive voice and anapology is totally unacceptable.

(01:35:03):
You have to identify what youdid wrong and you have to own
that.
You did it.
The choice was made by me to dothis and here's what I'm
apologizing.
You've got to isolate theincident.
You've got to be very clearabout this.
Anytime someone uses thepassive voice, I'm like great,
it's a PR, it's just PR.
You're pissed off.

(01:35:24):
You got you.
You, you got caught and nowit's damage control.
Now I have um.
It's funny because this thengoes into all the fans and all
the people are um, uh, you know,railing to see if she should be
thrown off the team and stuff.
And then I got in a huge uhconversation with my daughter

(01:35:44):
and some of her friends who takethis course at college about um
, women's uh, you know, uhrights and and um, and I was
talking about like you know,whether or not uh, her actions
mean like, should she be ratedfor her like social media posts,
posts specifically as anathlete, or should she be rated

(01:36:08):
as an athlete on the team basedon what she does in the field,
and how does that if we flip it,if we say, okay, let's turn it
around, how does that reflect on, let's say, blackballing in
Hollywood oh, you're a communistand therefore you, you should
never work again.
And and how these things canbite back if you, if you're not
careful, there's unintendedconsequences.

(01:36:29):
Sure, we don't like hermessaging um, but I was again
from of the opinion of you know,I was an idiot when I was 22, I
was an idiot when I was 42.
Um, uh, uh, it takes.

Speaker 4 (01:36:42):
I like your hopeful use of the past tense, but go on
.

Speaker 2 (01:36:46):
Thank you.
But she's she's going to besurrounded by people with with
alternate viewpoints than theone she was raised with.
And you know, nothing wouldshow me more success than
someday for her to be able to doan interview and be like I
didn't know, you know, I, I, youknow.
I don't want to throw this girlout and say this is 22.

(01:37:12):
She's a woman I shouldn't saygirl but young woman, but still
learning the ropes the firsttime in this type of stage and
platform, and we hope that wecan show someone like her just
another viewpoint.
So Jamie's apology was a goodapology.
He owned it, he tookresponsibility, he called out
what he did and he said how hewas going to go forward.

(01:37:35):
And it will not happen again.
That's right.

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
That last part I gotta jump on.
I'm sorry and I'll be quick.
That last part is huge.
Don't tell me you're and I'llbe quick.
That last part is huge.
Don't tell me you're sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:37:46):
And then do it 10 more fucking times.

Speaker 4 (01:37:47):
Yep Like seriously yeah so that last part is
humongous.

Speaker 3 (01:37:53):
This is how I will change my behavior going forward
absolutely yeah and um, I'm notsure I don't know the name of
the player that you're referringto, because I don't follow it
that closely.
The only thing that I'll say isI 100 think that she can change
from this.
I don't doubt at all.
I thought stupid shit when Iwas 22.

(01:38:13):
Also, I fully believe,especially it like.
I don't mean to getstereotypical here, but there
are a lot of women who are intowomen in women's soccer, like
that sort of that.
They're all hanging out anddating and I think it's amazing
and I love it.
You are not going to be able towork in that environment and
have anti LGBTQLGBTQ beliefs, atleast not comfortably with your

(01:38:38):
other co-workers, because yourco-workers are going to take
that personally, because it'sabout their lives.

Speaker 4 (01:38:42):
Well, also, I think, publicly articulated as well.

Speaker 3 (01:38:46):
Publicly articulating is fucking wild.

Speaker 4 (01:38:48):
You could work on your own discomfort, but now you
made it uncomfortable foreverybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:38:52):
Right, and so I fully believe she can change for the
better and become more acceptingand more understanding.
I am not going to give hercredit for being there if she's
not there yet.
Where she is right now is in aplace where she has professed
beliefs that I think areincompatible with her job, that

(01:39:13):
I don't agree with.
That I can't stand by.
She might change.
I am giving her room to change.
I'm saying she hasn't changedyet, like I'm taking that
reality of her situation andsaying that I guess I'm already
forgiving her and saying andshe's the greatest person ever
no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:39:32):
I have reservations because of the way it's couched
in religion.
You know this is like, oh, myreligion.
You know it's like it's not.
I just wish you know again.
We don't want to go down thisrabbit hole, but you know a lot
of people who profess to bemembers of certain faiths should

(01:39:54):
really read the text of thosefaiths.

Speaker 4 (01:39:57):
You would think that would be involved in the process
, but okay.

Speaker 2 (01:40:02):
It, just it, just you .
Just I know we have, we have.
We have some very, veryreligious folks that follow the
show and are listeners, and wehave.
We have actual priests andrabbis and the thing we always
say is you know, just if you'regoing to be a spokesperson, for

(01:40:28):
you know a certain faith orwhatever.
Make sure you know what you'retalking about, because the Jesus
I'm familiar with bears almostno resemblance to the Jesus of
today.
Well, yeah, I totally feel likeyou don't think Jesus would like
a post about somebody'scareer-ending injury.

Speaker 4 (01:40:51):
Yeah, I feel like that was in the beatitudes fuck
the lesbian troublemakers, theyshall inherit.
Fuck all I am.

Speaker 3 (01:41:05):
I am saving it for a wayne episode because there's a
more of a connection to there,but I need you guys to know I am
going to come to you one dayand ask you if you would like to
talk about jesus christ with me.
We, we will have, we will havea discussion and I will.
Um, also, I would like to.
Oh, I'm in, I'm a big.
I would like to very quickly uhpoint out that the uh order of

(01:41:28):
the letters in the lgbtqcommunity, as pointed out by
comedian dimitri Martin, who isfucking phenomenal and has a new
special on Netflix and he's sofunny.
He said you gotta make sure youput those in the right order,
because GQ BLT is an entirelydifferent thing.
It doesn't have anything to dowith the gays.

Speaker 4 (01:41:49):
He's so good for that brand of humor.
That's something.
I'm friends with, somebodywho's friends with him.
I've met him, but I'm friendswith somebody who's friends with
him, and that is so goddamnhumorous and brilliant, I am so
jealous.

Speaker 3 (01:42:05):
Like Tig Nectaro, mike Rubiglia, dimitri Martin.
I fucking love them and hisshit.
I eat that shit up.
I fucking love it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Well, roy Kent hears uh with both ears and um.
His response is to take a wildswing at jamie tart's head and
force him into a locker and givehim a wedgie.
Oh, no, no, that's not.
What does he do, coach?

Speaker 4 (01:42:31):
he yells fuck.
Very reminiscent of the momentnot on the field.
Um, it's great because itcaptures all of it.
It captures everything in thismoment.
It captures shit.
You got that apology right.
It captures.
I was really looking forward tokicking the shit out of you.
It captures I gotta be a newway.

Speaker 2 (01:42:51):
This new manhood fucking sucks yes, I hate my own
growth.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
I hate my growth.
This is so hard.
Beating your ass would havebeen great.
Now I have to do this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
I love that you pointed out on the field when he
said fuck, because what Ithought of was when he was
reading Wrinkle in Time to feedand he's fuck.
When you have that realization,oh, it has to be me fuck it has
to god damn it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
This is gonna be hard I.

Speaker 4 (01:43:20):
I wanted to point out about the apology itself and I
think it plays into that thatfinal fuck, which is a great
sentence to say, but at any rate, but, but, um, right, um, but
yeah.
So when he says it didsomething to me emotionally, you
know, first of all, I think weall know, because it's a funeral

(01:43:40):
and funerals they pack a punch.
But also I am new to thisprocessing of real emotion thing
.
So what might have takeneveryone else around me a
certain amount of time or theymight've been able to contain it
in a way that, like this, isall new to me.

(01:44:03):
So I said this thing.
I don't even know why I said it, right, but like, I felt I had
to say it.
Like he, I just liked that it'sa genuine confession of like,
okay, I've thought about it andnow I understand what happened.
I used to not feel things, whichmeans I'd have been trying to
figure out who the fuck, butinstead I was thinking about how

(01:44:24):
I felt.
So I did something I shouldn'thave done, because I don't know
how to be like this and I and I,and I think it matters because
we, we, we tend to talk aboutgrowth in a binary way or even
as if it's in a straight lineand actually there's a quote I'm
going to find.
I think it was like Voltaire orsomething like that.
But anyway, about this issue oflike, as we're changing how the

(01:44:46):
old questions will presentthemselves, sort of like in a
final test way.
But yeah, I think it's reallywell done.
The new man who's going to takesome work is the point.
It's not a magic trick.

Speaker 2 (01:45:00):
It doesn't come easy, it does not come.
You got to earn that shit.
People who will sometimes say Iwonder why Coach Caston sees
the similarity between Wayne andTed Lasso.
This is reminiscent of whenyou're, when you go to a funeral
, you're faced with your ownmortality.
You start asking questions.
Whenever that happens, itreally you know, just put the

(01:45:22):
stakes go up because you go shit.
This is.
There's an expiration date.
Uh, for me and for the people Ilove, um and um it of of Dell
not being able to go to hermom's funeral and and um, uh,
feeling a real need to go to astranger's funeral.
Something, something justcompelled her to do it.

(01:45:43):
Um, it's, it's a rite ofpassage in this life.
Uh, I have a 14 year old son.
Um, my favorite uncle passedaway a couple months ago and
went to.
We went to his funeral.
Um, it was als and it.
He had it for a little bit andthen then precipitous decline,
like just so fast and and awful,uh, hit me really hard.

(01:46:07):
Um, and my little boy, uh, hecame in just a couple nights ago
, like, hit him in the weirdestway.
He came in and he was justcrying, just bawling.
He just does not do this and hesays that.
He says he said he jumped inthe middle of me and juliana
jumped in bed, um, and he said Ilove having you guys as my
parents and someday you're notgonna be there.

(01:46:28):
I just could not breathe.
He's crying so hard you know Imean, and it's just like, it's
just, it kicks it up a notch,you just go, man, like so when
jamie says, um, it, you know,did something.
It can't, it's so beautifulbecause it's I think it's
incredibly well written.

(01:46:48):
He doesn't have the words tonecessarily articulate it, but
but it's enough, right, we knowexactly what he's talking about
because it does something to allof us in a certain way, whether
it hits you on the day or later, this realization sparked
Buddhism.

Speaker 4 (01:47:03):
This is not a small thing, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:47:06):
This is not like Right.
I do like the way that theyframed it, that it made him feel
something emotionally asopposed to to feeling something
physically, I guess the only waythat he's used to feeling
something.
Um, but also that processingemotions actually is a process
and it does take time and youmight change how you feel about
something a day or two later.

(01:47:28):
I think I've mentioned this,like we shouldn't say like oh,
you liked it at the time, so itshould be fine.
Um, one of the things uh, nowthat I'm doing more drugs, um,
I've just started doing like,different stretches and stuff
while I'm all stony baloney andI've come to the terrible
conclusion that not only does myemotional state affect my

(01:47:48):
physical state, my physicalstate could affect my emotional
state.
So if I work out not not inorder to like, do anything to my
body, but just like to get outand get the stress out, do all
that shit all of a sudden I'mhappier, like how the fuck?
How the fuck did that happen?
How did I get to be 40?
I would also like to veryquickly mention my youngest

(01:48:11):
brother, who is one of the most,I don't want to say sensitive,
but perceptive and alsointuitive, empathetic.
He gets it very, very easily.
When one of our uncles passedaway, who we were not close with
at all, my grandmother buriedfour kids.

(01:48:34):
I guess this is why she had 11.
So she would have leftovers.
But when one of them died, wewere sorry.
We were at the funeral myyounger sister and my younger
brother, who didn't know UncleDan, if any, not very well, if
at all, and they were upset.
They like were crying, it's afuneral that makes at all.
And they were upset.
They like were crying, it's afuneral that makes sense.

(01:48:55):
But they were very upset and myolder sister said wow, like
this means a lot to them.
They didn't even know dan, butthey're like sad about it.
And the youngest one said ohwell, they're not thinking about
dan, they're thinking aboutyour dad and my dad.
I was like motherfucker, youwere 12, how the fuck did you

(01:49:15):
figure that out?

Speaker 4 (01:49:16):
wow, how did you?

Speaker 3 (01:49:18):
know that that's amazing.
So it's very perceptive,seriously, yeah extremely
perceptive and also this is allthe shit that repressive
american society doesn't teachus about that sometimes, when
you experience one death all ofa sudden, you're freaked out by
all the other deaths that you'veexperienced.
Like that, you do reprocess itevery time well, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
I'm also thinking about um the funeral, now that
we're putting it in this contextand jamie is mourning the loss
of a parent yeah, yep, that'sright.
I mean he is, yeah, I mean it'snot death of that sort, but in
terms of like their relationship, like whatever the relationship

(01:49:58):
could or will be someday.
If anything because it could benothing it certainly won't be
that father son or, you know, orin any way a traditional father
son really.
So he is, you know.
So I think that that plays intoum with what you said, though,
about funerals and and how itbrings up all the stuff around

(01:50:22):
death.
I I think part of that is alsobecause of what you point out
about the repression.
I think there's so much I'mgoing to use the word
encouragement, because I'm goingto try to be not be judgmental,
but be curious I think there'sso much around you being okay,

(01:50:48):
yes, that people feel compelledto be okay, and I guess I would
say to anybody who's listeningnow and maybe it is dealing with
something fresh my father diedin January of 01 and my mother
died in March of 05.
And this year I've had seriousemotional moments about both of

(01:51:11):
those things, and it is 2024.
Emotional moments about both ofthose things, and it is 2024.
So if you can make it back towork, fantastic.
If you can hang out with yourfriends, like nothing ever
happened.
Good for you.
And if in 15 years you need aminute, please take it yeah,
yeah, different people.

Speaker 2 (01:51:31):
Uh, different people are different and people process
differently.
I always cry at weddings andnever cry at funerals, and
because it takes a little whilefor it to get to me because they
don't know they're dead.
You know what I mean.
It takes it, yes, yeah, whatthe hell are they worried?
about yeah, um yeah, no, no, itjust, it really just hits people

(01:51:52):
differently and so, um yeah,and also, you know, different
people have different comfortzones, or if they might have a
role in their family wherethey're the quote-unquote strong
one or they're the rock oh yeah, oh that stuff, there's a lot
that goes into it.
So you have a responsibility toliving in the face of the dead
and you know, help them.

(01:52:14):
Anyway, there's all sorts ofcomplexities that go into it and
you know we all do our best totry to navigate that.
But Boss is right that there'sno manual and without you know,
without a little practice, whichalways comes the hard way, it's

(01:52:34):
tough, it's tough.
And so Jamie rightly capturesthat in his apology.
And then, ted Lasso being TedLasso, we need a little trickly
cutter.
And what happens here, coach?

Speaker 4 (01:52:47):
So we get our fuck out the door, door slams and the
camera.
Uh, uh, fuck out the door, doorslams and the camera having.
Just we just watched roy leave,uh, pans over and will has been
standing there and toaccentuate what happened,
because it's funny visually he'slike holding I guess those are

(01:53:11):
towels.
I mean, he's just hold like heis holding laundry, it is.
He is in front of a dryer andhe's holding the laundry and
he's frozen, his mouth is alittle slack, like he is in full
shock mode and so, uh, heshares.
Sorry, I kind of froze when youtwo came in here and I just
didn't know what to do and thatprobably wasn't as funny

(01:53:35):
objectively as it fucking was tome, but I had to pause, like I
just thought that was so funny.
Oh, really, oh, I thought thatwas so funny.
And poor Will, and if you'veever been that person who's like
this is above my fucking paygrade, but I can't get out of
here Because I've been there andit is super awkward and you're

(01:53:57):
like, I just wish I coulddisappear, like if I had a
superpower.
Right now I know exactly whichone I would choose, because I
don't want to be in this room,um.
So anyway, I just thought thatwas a very and and I guess also
unlike what we were saying aboutold Pauly Shuri I bought the
joke, I bought the situation, Ibought that this particular

(01:54:20):
character would behave this way.
I bought Jamie's sort of likehalf quizzical, half
understanding reaction, like Ijust bought everything about
this, right.

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:54:33):
Yeah, no, it doesn't require about this?

Speaker 2 (01:54:34):
Right Right, yeah, no , it doesn't require a leap of
faith.
You're like, oh yeah, no, theystormed in the room, they didn't
check, he got stuck.
It just makes perfect sense.
Yeah, jamie listens to it andsays, all right, but he's
clearly lost in thought.
I think he's very surprisedthat he came out of there
without a whooping.
And he's very surprised that hecame out of there without a

(01:54:54):
whooping and he's alsoprocessing that.
Then we cut over to Keely'soffice and she's on the phone.
This is a real, real sort ofquick series of lines.
Yeah, no, it definitely soundsboth helpful and compassionate,
but I don't think that youmoderating a session between
Coach Lasso and a celebritypsychiatrist is the best move.

(01:55:16):
Right now.
All his attention is onBrentford.
Thank you very much.
That's the corporate line.
And then she hangs up and saysfuck you, pierce Morgan, I love
it.
I loved it, fuck you Pierce.
Morgan yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:55:32):
There's another T-shirt Shit.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Yeah, seriously, we're all fans of that.
Now she is reading her emailand she goes holy fucking shit,
like she jumps back, like she'sshocked, um and and like blown
away by something on her email.
That's it.
Let's all see, I, I didn't loveit.
Oh, I didn't buy it.
I thought it was too big of aresponse.
Really, I thought they shouldhave done a yeah.

(01:56:02):
Yeah, I just didn't buy, Ididn't buy I, I wanted a slow
boy, like of her reading thelines and being like, oh my god,
like, like.
I wanted a.
I wanted to dawn on her morethan like a whatever, but it's
fine, it's okay.
I thought it was whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:56:16):
Yeah, that wasn't my reaction.
Yeah, keely being.

Speaker 3 (01:56:19):
Keely, I totally believed it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:22):
I think Rebecca would have slow played it.

Speaker 3 (01:56:25):
I think Rebecca would have taken a second, but Keely
would be like, oh my fucking God.
In a great way Good point.

Speaker 4 (01:56:31):
That's a great character I didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:56:32):
I didn't see a dawn on her, though, and she's like
just it was like a picturepopped up, Not that she was
reading an email.
That's the way I like yes,Healy would be would bounce and
be crazy, but I didn't see likethe beat where she was sort of
registered.
Maybe she did it on the phoneis what I you know that I, I
took that like she was slowlydawning on her, and then she

(01:56:54):
realized she was looking at.

Speaker 3 (01:56:58):
Yes, I took yeah, so that actually I took it to mean
that she is so good at her jobnow and piers morgan is so
obviously a fuck off, piersmorgan, that she only had half,
maybe a quarter of her brain togive that corporate line about.
No, this, we're focusing onbradford.
Blah, blah, fuck off with thephone call Reading the email and
then once she hung up, she waslike, oh shit, no, I did read

(01:57:19):
that right, this is for fuckingreal.
And then her reaction.

Speaker 2 (01:57:24):
Right, no Nigerian princes at the bottom of the
email.
It's just the real deal.

Speaker 4 (01:57:32):
By the way and I'm just going to toss this in we
can move on.
It doesn't need to be analyzed,but I feel like the scam
attempts have really gottenembarrassing.
I feel like I'm like look guys,listen, you can't send me an
email from Microsoft QRZ W549.
I mean, I don't even feelinsulted anymore.

(01:57:55):
Like, are you all right overthere?
Do you have a fucking stroke?
Like you're trying to fool me?
This is supposed to be from thecompany.
I need more effort from thescammers.
I feel like the scams at thispoint are kind of ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
So I can't believe that I have actual opinions on
this, but what I have read isthat scammers go big because if
you are I don't want to saygullible in a mean way, but
trusting enough to believe thatthat if somebody sends you
something that outrageous andyou're like, yes, I am on board,
you are going to be easier toget money from.
So they're sort ofself-selecting.

Speaker 4 (01:58:29):
Oh, there's a built-in filter.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
They are self-selecting people who would
not know to not fall for that,so they are actually getting
more positive results.
Yes To the point.
I should also say like not onlydid John Oliver, on Last Week
Tonight, do a segment on what isreferred to as pig butchering,
which is a new form of textingin order scheme it's fucking
terrible.
Go watch it.
It's amazing debauchering,which is a new form of texting

(01:58:53):
in order to scam.
It's fucking terrible.
Go watch it.
It's amazing.
But also that there was a woman.
I don't want to talk shit abouther, but she posted about
herself about how the governmentquote unquote reached out and
said there is a scammer who hasbeen trying to get money from
you.
You have been implicated in allof these crimes and you have

(01:59:14):
been accused of money laundering.
The trail leads to you.
We need you to give us fiftythousand dollars so that we
could restore this account andthen we could find the person
that's doing it in order toprevent you from going to jail.
So she showed up at a park with$50,000 in cash in a bag and

(01:59:34):
gave it to them.
And her job is that she is afinancial advisor.

Speaker 4 (01:59:42):
Shut the fuck up.

Speaker 3 (01:59:44):
I swear to God all those things are true.

Speaker 4 (01:59:47):
This is the blackest thing ever.
You lying.
Like I say even if you know theperson's not lying it's so
outrageous that you're like stoplying, you lying, you made that
shit up you know, they didn'tmake it up, but it's just too
fucking outrageous it's yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:00:04):
I will find it.
I will post it in the communitysite.
It's so wild actually.
I want to extend.
A lot of people are like whywould you say this?
I would like to extend a thankyou to her for acknowledging
that it could happen to anybodyat any time and please do not
feel ashamed if you like.
The point is to trick you.
If you were tricked, they didtheir job.

(02:00:24):
So I don't want you to feel bad, but the shit happens all the
time the doc.

Speaker 4 (02:00:29):
I watched the series how to Be a Cult Leader, but I'm
telling you one person Ithought summed it up and I've
always thought this Anybody whobelieves they can't be taken by
a cult is ripe for the.
And I was so glad that was saidbecause I've always believed it
.
I do not believe for a secondthat I couldn't be taken.

(02:00:52):
I just think that particularemail didn't get me, that one
didn't get me.
But anybody can be taken, notme.
A whole goddamn country gottaken a few years back.
I wouldn't name any countries,but there you go.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
But yeah, I was trying to set myself up as a
sucker.
I can't think Not me coach.

Speaker 4 (02:01:18):
I was just emailing my buddy Microsoft XY Ford 59.
And he says I'm brilliant.

Speaker 2 (02:01:28):
I love the somehow the movie Rush Hour.
Have you seen the movie RushHour?
Yes, it's from 1990.

Speaker 4 (02:01:34):
Yeah, it's from 1990.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's aclassic whatever.

Speaker 2 (02:01:37):
There was this scene where Philip Baker Hall plays a
captain in the LAPD and he setsChris Tucker up, who's one of
his officers, for a total shitassignment with the FBI.
And it really is a shitassignment.
It really is for the FBI, butChris Tucker does the thing
where he's like Captain, stoplying.

(02:02:00):
And Philip Baker Hall it's oneof my favorites.
I say it all the time PhilipBaker Hall goes, I don't lie,
like I don't lie, and he reallyisn't lying.

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
He doesn't get it Right, right, right.

Speaker 2 (02:02:11):
He just goes more than, he doesn't get it, he just
knows more than.
But I just love it so much, Ilove it.

Speaker 4 (02:02:16):
I love Phil Biggerhall, anyway, oh, by the
way, in case, anyone iswondering what I meant by that
piece around Black culture.
If you see I-K-Y-F-L online,that means I know you fucking
lying, yeah, and it doesn't meanthat I know you fucking lying,
yeah, and it doesn't mean that Iactually think you lying.

(02:02:37):
It means that is fucking nuts.

Speaker 3 (02:02:41):
Yes, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, it is it is actuallybetter than what I would say is
the white version, which is shutup Like I love telling people
to shut up, but also this one isnicer.
I also.

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
God bless.

Speaker 3 (02:02:52):
Whenever I see that long string of letters and I can
actually put together what theperson is saying, then at the
end it's so fucking funny.
It's like 17 sentences and I'mlike, oh, that was a great story
.
Thank you, I love that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:04):
Yeah, there is a real sense of like yeah, of I'm in
the in crowd when you make itthrough that shit.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:15):
M-T-F-B-W-I in the in crowd when you make it through
that shit, mtfbwi.
Well, I said I need to readthem.
I don't know.
May the force be with you.

Speaker 3 (02:03:23):
The first time I figured that one out.

Speaker 4 (02:03:24):
I was like oh, I'm a Star Wars message board.
That's funny.

Speaker 3 (02:03:31):
Are you going to celebrate on May?

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
4th?
Yeah, may the force be with youAlways.
Are you going to celebrate onMay 4th?
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:03:34):
May the 4th be with you, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:36):
Yeah, always, always.
So yeah, no, there's a newTales of the Empire coming out
in May.
Have you seen any of these?
There's a Tales of the Jedi.
Okay, so there's a series ofshorts on disney plus.
That is so if you're a starwars fan, they're animated, so

(02:03:58):
it turned.
Some people just can't do it,but they are, so they filled in
so many blank.
It was crazy how good they were.
I could not stop watching.
It was like oh, wow, okay,here's the what.
Actually.
Here's the backstory behindcount dooku.
Here's the backstory behind.
You know why soka did this?
Or here's, you know, likehere's, uh, backstory behind
count dooku.
Here's the backstory behind.
You know why soka did this?
Or here's, you know, like,here's uh, you know when you,
when you say like, oh, how didanakin and soka?

(02:04:20):
You know this, you know whatwas the the end of that
relationship?

Speaker 1 (02:04:24):
you know whatever like little, little tiny, and
you go oh my god.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
And now there's a new one coming out called tales of
the empire, which shows some ofthe uh things in the.
I think it's May 6th, whywouldn't it be May?

Speaker 3 (02:04:34):
6th Literally I made the face.
There's no way If anybody whoplanned on having.

Speaker 4 (02:04:40):
May 6th is fired, they are fired.
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
Right, it's got to be .
I'm looking it up right nowbecause I swear I don't care
what day of the week it lands on.

Speaker 4 (02:04:54):
I don't care, you're fired.

Speaker 2 (02:04:57):
Oh, may 4th, Okay, no .

Speaker 4 (02:04:58):
Thank.

Speaker 2 (02:04:58):
God.

Speaker 1 (02:04:59):
Long live the.

Speaker 2 (02:04:59):
Empire Experience.
Tales of the Empire 6.
All new Star Wars originalshorts available May 4th Only on
Disney+.
Shilling for a vast corporateentity, but still it was amazing
.
And if you're entity, but stillit was amazing.
And if you're a Star Wars fan,it was outstanding.
At least the Tales of the Jediwas Okay.

(02:05:20):
So we cut from Keely's Keely.
We actually don't know what youknow.
She sees something on herscreen.
That's all we know.
We cut to the field and Coach,can you walk us through this?

Speaker 4 (02:05:33):
All right, we got through this.
All right, we got circle up.
All right, so that announcementgets made.
Thank you, coach.
Hey, fellas, before we getstarted here, I wanted to talk
to you all about the article yousaw on the paper this morning.
Actually, you all probably sawit on your phones.
I still get the paper because,well, you can't cut cartoons out
of a phone, right?
Then, of course, course, we geta very ted lasso moment of yeah

(02:06:03):
, but you can screenshot themand text them.
That's copyright infringementbruv from our our team captain.
Wow, um, oh, I hear you zero,but you can't.
That was a row.
Who, uh, did the screenshot?
Uh, line, by the way, I hearyou zero, but you can't hang a
screenshot on a fridge either.
And then I believe, danny, uh,my refrigerator has a television
.
Yeah, danny, what did I say?
Yeah, danny, so then, um, yeah,then somebody else reacts.

(02:06:26):
Oh, I think I have the same one.
This is they are now akindergarten class yes, this is
a kindergarten class it'sseveral people, sam isaac, yeah,
it's all like this is such athing that when my kids were
little because I didn't havesuch things when I was little
and they just figured they'dyell at me for having adhd and

(02:06:47):
talking too goddamn much, butthat's another story for another
day but they used to do thiswhich I was like what are you
doing?
And I'm linking my two fingers,like making like a chain link
for those of you who arelistening and it is the symbol
they would do when they had aconnection.
So they would like when yousaid the refrigerator line in

(02:07:09):
their little kid class, ratherthan an explosion of noise, you
would just have a bunch of kidsgo and it was.
I thought it was absolutelyfucking brilliant, because
actually, underneath it is not Iwant to interrupt you from the
kids Underneath it is like oh myGod, we have a point of

(02:07:29):
connection, right.
So like they're excited.
So it's like we're going gonnakeep the connection part and
we're gonna eliminate thedisruptive part.
I anyway, I love it and so.
But this right now is akindergarten class like I'm like
this.
Man can't get through a fullsentence without them ted

(02:07:50):
lassoing out on ted lasso in our, in our neck of the woods.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
It was just, they would say, me I didn't.
I've never seen that like thumband forefinger link chain thing
uh, it was really cool, yeah, Iloved it.
My daughter was just, peoplewould be talking, but it would
say like oh, it would be justeven a tv show or something, and
say like oh, I'm, I'm, you know, I'm exhausted, whatever.
And my daughter's go me and andI would say blah, blah, blah Me
Anytime they agreed.

(02:08:16):
These kids would just say me.
I guess it was a TikTok thing,but yeah, it's like saying I
concur or knocking on the tableat the House of Commons or
whatever.
It's just a way of yeah, reallysimple.
But that's exactly right thatall these these guys it's funny
that they all have the samefridge there's such children,

(02:08:39):
and why and why?

Speaker 4 (02:08:40):
like they're all smiling of this group.
Maybe there are three guys whocan seriously cook a meal.
I mean, come on, there's no waythese guys have all the money
in the world.
They're whatever.
Like they're not.
You know they're not figuringout how to make casseroles.
Why do you need that fuckingfridge?
It's just like I got all themoney in the goddamn world.
Fine, I'll take the one withthe TV in it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
What?
Yeah, and Ted has screwed upbecause he's almost lost them.
Oh yeah, no, they're off.
He has to reel them back in.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
Oh no, no, I had an actual point.
I was making guys.
Oh no, no, I had an actualpoint.
I was making guys.
Yeah, um, so they're allexcited, but all right, the
point is there we go.
Y'all found out about somethingfrom somewhere when you should
have found out about it from mefirst, but I chose not to tell
y'all, and that was done.
You know, fellas, we make a lotof choices in our lives every

(02:09:30):
single day, ranging from am Ireally about to eat something
called Greek yogurt?
That made me laugh To.
Should I leave my family andtake a job halfway around the
world?
Did not make me laugh.
We know what's on his mind andhe's on that.
Me choosing not to be forthrightwith y'all, that was a bad

(02:09:51):
choice, but I can't be wastingtime wishing for a do-over on
all that, because that ain't howchoices work.
No, sir, no that choice.
And my Chicago Bulls starterjacket that I let Janelle Rhodes
borrow my sophomore yearbecause she spilled ketchup all
over herself and it looked likeshe'd been shot.
Those are two things I ain'tgetting back.
I'd just like to say I usuallywouldn't use someone's actual

(02:10:14):
name on here, but Monica had myvarsity football jacket.
No jersey, excuse me, I waspretty confident I was never
going to see it again.
Given our last conversation, Idid not feel that she was

(02:10:35):
particularly concerned withtaking care of my belongings.
So, yeah, I'm pretty sure thatwent up in smoke within I don't
know 12 minutes of our lastconversation.
That was a charred ashy mess,is my guess.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:10:51):
This is why I always chose wisely in retrospect to
not date Good job, good job guys.

Speaker 4 (02:11:01):
There is something there, there is something there.

Speaker 2 (02:11:03):
It's amazing.
You know, the human mind worksin strange ways.
You can have a quarterbackthrow four touchdowns and have
350 yards passing and he goeshome and his wife and kids say,
oh my God, there's a game inyour life.
He's like I missed that.
I missed the tight end over themiddle.
It would.
You know.
You go, oh, shut up.
In the last two weeks each oneI have four children.

(02:11:25):
Each one of them have had aglorious, like life altering
success in the last two.
That's amazing.
And and except for the youngest, who is just a, she just kicks
all the ass the other three havemanaged to find a way to be
much more anxious about it.
And look at the one potentialcomplication in the.

(02:11:46):
You know, I'm like, are you?
But it's it's, it's, it's just,you know, it's it, it's just,
you know, it's what humans do.
And when it comes to articlesof clothing, I can remember the
ones.
I mean, it's crazy, who gives ashit?
I can look back and say, 30years ago I remember the exact

(02:12:06):
polo shirt that this onegirlfriend, you know, wore home
and I thought, all right, we'llsee, we'll see each other in a
couple weeks, nope, or this, youknow, like know, war home, and
I thought, all right, we'll see,we'll see each other in a
couple of weeks, nope or thisyou know like.
You know like.
You know, like all thesedifferent little, yeah, you just
go.
Oh, my God, and I just lovethat as a reference.
Um, you know, sometimes, tedLasso, somebody jamming out.

Speaker 4 (02:12:27):
Yeah, I think, coach, it's time for you to go, oh
sorry, this is my alarm.
I mean, coach, it's time foryou to go.
Oh sorry, this is my alarm.
Yeah, there we go.

Speaker 2 (02:12:40):
I mean, sometimes I lose polo shirts, cheering, uh,
what else have I lost?
Yeah, no, it's just, it's uh.
It's just.
It's funny that that's you knowthe mind.
I think about how many thingswe didn't lose, but our mind
doesn't keep track of those ofthose all right, oh, yeah, yeah,
oh, of course, of course, right, yeah, seriously, who cares
like how it would?
I'll tell you right now thatjersey would be in a box

(02:13:01):
somewhere say it again yeah,right, I'm saying tell me a
situation where someone returnedyour favorite hoodie right, or
they returned the pair of pantsthat they borrowed.
Tell me every time time youdon't remember it.

Speaker 1 (02:13:12):
No.

Speaker 2 (02:13:13):
You just remember when it didn't come back, right,
which is like what?
What is that Right?
We're so screwed in so manyways Like that's the default.
Anyway, I just thought it wasTed Lasso.
Sometimes, you know, it throwsa lot at the wall.
Some of it sticks, some of itdoesn't I just thought that was
yeah, I home run.

(02:13:34):
I was like I totally get it thefact that it was a starter
jacket I know that too, like ifyou weren't there.

Speaker 4 (02:13:40):
You don't understand.
You don't understand a starterjacket like that guy.

Speaker 2 (02:13:44):
But he probably got it for christmas or some shit
like that was oh, that was hisbig gift of the year, or he
saved up, yeah you know how manylawns I had to mow, whatever.

Speaker 4 (02:13:54):
But yeah, so, all right, I know I took this on a
side trip.
Here we go.
So because every choice is achance, fellas, I didn't give
myself the chance to buildfurther.
What Trust with y'all?
We were just talking about that.
To quote the great UCLA collegebasketball coach, john Obi-Wan
Gandalf.
He's referencing John Woodenthere for those who don't

(02:14:17):
actually know, but I thoughtthat made me.
That was very Ted.
It is our choices, gentlemen,that show what we truly are, far
more than our abilities.
Now I hope y'all can forgive mefor what I've done, because I

(02:14:41):
sure as heck wouldn't want anyof y'all to hold anything back
with me.
I really, I really appreciatedthat speech.
I mean, there's some otherspeeches that hit me more
emotionally, you know like evokemore emotion in me or a higher
degree, yeah, but I Maybe it'sbecause I'm a coach too, but
like I watched this and Ithought, spot the fuck on, like
teaching a lesson in it, saying,hey, like I do trust you guys,

(02:15:05):
don't walk away.
Letting this be a reflection onhow you think I feel about you.
This was about me.
Here's how I guys it was in anumber of ways I fell short
earlier or in other times duringthis season, this tv season and
richmond season.

Speaker 2 (02:15:22):
I feel like he stuck this landing like few others and
it's not the passive voice,it's not like hey, yes, if you
felt people make things all thetime.
Yeah, yeah, if it happened thatyou were rubbed the wrong way,
you know, no, no, no, yeah.
It makes me crazy.
It's so easy to do.
I fucked up, I made a badchoice, I should have trusted

(02:15:47):
you all and I'm going to do that.
I'm going to do that and I hopeyou'll consider doing it to me.
Come on, hope you'll considerdoing it to me.
Come on, it's just textbook andeverybody should understand.
It should be Apologies 101.
It's on the list of my helpeconomy.

(02:16:07):
You just want people to knowhow to say yeah, I fucked up,
sorry.
Here's what I'm gonna do to makesure I don't do that again, and
I'm gonna try like hell andfuck, fuck, you know I'm gonna
you know, the effort is there,the agency is there, the choice
is there, and I'm aware of it,and it's not some ethereal,

(02:16:29):
nebulous thing that happenedmagically wrong.

Speaker 4 (02:16:33):
It broke is the kid version of that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:37):
Yeah, oh, it broke, huh.

Speaker 4 (02:16:41):
Magically broken.

Speaker 2 (02:16:43):
Must have been its time then.
So they all say what here, boss?
What's their response to thatspeech?

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
It goes from yeah, we got you coach, no problem, yeah
.
And then Colin says you know,and when we find the guy, it's
okay to take permission to takesocks full of soap to their
chest and stomach.
And everyone else is like, yeah, we're going to fuck him up,
we're going to find him, we'regoing to kill him.
Ted jumps in, of course,because he's Ted, and says now,

(02:17:16):
fellas, look, I'm gonna nip that, talk right in the butt right
now.

Speaker 2 (02:17:19):
Hold on one sec.

Speaker 3 (02:17:19):
Hold on, hold on oh shit, you're right, follow the
money he yells follow the money,yeah, yeah bumber catch yelling
follow.

Speaker 4 (02:17:27):
The money cracked me up, I just like jesus, that was
very.

Speaker 2 (02:17:31):
Yeah, wait, did the socks and soap make you guys
think of anything?

Speaker 3 (02:17:34):
Full metal jacket.

Speaker 2 (02:17:35):
Right away.

Speaker 3 (02:17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
Yes, okay.

Speaker 3 (02:17:38):
I mean, did your parents not sit you down and
have you watch that when youwere like seven?

Speaker 4 (02:17:43):
You know, I thought military and I'm sure if you'd
pushed it I would have said fullmetal jacket.
I didn't think thatspecifically but yes, knew.

Speaker 3 (02:17:52):
I knew what was being referenced there this is my
weapon, this is my gun, this isfor fighting, this is for fun I
should also mention I don't knowhow well no, I know exactly how
it happened it was my parents,but I did somehow see the first
like 15, 20 minutes of thatmovie when I was way too little,
like I was very, very young.
I was way too small to bewatching that.

(02:18:14):
I don't know how it slippedthrough, but I also know that I
thought that that was the end ofthe movie, like the end of
bootcamp was, I believe, the endof Full Metal Jacket.
And it wasn't until I got tocollege that they were watching
the later half and I was likewhat is this?
They're like it's Full MetalJacket.

Speaker 1 (02:18:35):
I was like nah, I was like no, I seen, I seen full
metal jacket.

Speaker 3 (02:18:36):
What is this?

Speaker 4 (02:18:38):
no, no, I don't see what are we talking?

Speaker 3 (02:18:39):
about here, they are in vietnam when, so I don't know
, metal jacket too I'm sorry, Iknow that's not the point more
or less ridiculous than thepassion of the christ too,
because apparently that shit'shappening so, oh, I saw that and
I was like okay, come on guyscome on maybe that's when he got

(02:19:01):
back up.
I don't know, I never saw thefirst one are we?

Speaker 4 (02:19:04):
what are we doing again?

Speaker 3 (02:19:05):
what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (02:19:06):
yeah, uh the passion the passioner even more passion
that's right, that's right whenI now with 40 more more passion,
who was?

Speaker 3 (02:19:15):
it.
I can't remember who it wasSomebody.
Very, very funny.
When we saw the trailer for thesequel to I Know what you Did
Last Summer, they said oh great,I still know what you did last
summer, I still know what youdid last summer, and then it
flashed across the screen and itwas actually that.

Speaker 2 (02:19:38):
I actually that I was like mother, fuck you.
How did you?

Speaker 3 (02:19:39):
come up with that.
How the fuck did you?

Speaker 2 (02:19:40):
anyway.
No, it's good when they do.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
Um, ted says he's gonna.
So, yeah, fall, sorry, followthe money.
And then, and yeah, beard islike it's bud, not butt, coach,
it is, oh right, because offlowers, right, horticulture
baby.
Uh, that makes more sense.

Speaker 4 (02:19:48):
I appreciate that, I know we move past that quickly
and it's a quick joke, I mean,it's not you know, but I think
it is important how how Tedresponds to being corrected in
this moment yes, yeah, he's likeoh, thank you, that's, that's
better you see what I'm saying,because Nate, like he can, nate

(02:20:08):
is the opposite of this lately,you know, and I so.
Anyway, I just want to call outthat he's like all right, I got
it wrong.
You taught me something liketoday was great.

Speaker 3 (02:20:21):
Yeah, absolutely.
I like significantly morematurity and also more trust.
Nobody thinks that Nate didn'tsee the newspaper, uh, but yes,
so, uh, ted is saying uh, no,we're absolutely not going to
beat them with bars of soap,we're going to focus on
something more productive, likeNate's false nine.
He's putting Nate right in thecenter of it.

(02:20:42):
How's that sound?
Okay, good, yeah, yeah, yeah,anybody got any questions before
we start?
Jamie says yeah, I got one.
He says, yeah, jamie, what doyou got?
And he said what are we goinggonna do with that fucking thing
there?
And the helicopter is still inthe middle of the field.
Edwin acufo apparently justleft, rolled out without his
helicopter.
Why wouldn't you leave it there?

(02:21:03):
You have a spare as one doesexactly exactly it's a good
psychic.

Speaker 2 (02:21:07):
It's a good psychic and it's a good.
They, they, um, they.
They hide the um buried leadbefore they do it, so it's not
in frame.
Jamie actually turns and pointsand that's when the helicopter
is revealed.

Speaker 4 (02:21:21):
It's good, it's all very, very it also, I don't care
what the reason is the factthat that thing is still there.
It speaks to character.
I'll just say that what do youmean?
It's still.
If it died there, it should begone by now.

(02:21:43):
If it literally doesn'tfunction anymore, it should be
gone by now.

Speaker 2 (02:21:49):
The fact that it's not speaks to how Kufo is
getting down as he deliversflowers to your funeral well,
this may be an unpopular opinion, but billionaires should be
able to do whatever they wantbecause they're more important
and better and talented andsmart.
Yeah, so if that's his fieldnow because he says it is, then

(02:22:13):
it is, and they can all go fuckoff.

Speaker 3 (02:22:14):
I think you misspoke.
When you said billionaires, youmeant me, boss.

Speaker 4 (02:22:20):
I always do that boss billionaires, all the B's.

Speaker 2 (02:22:25):
Boss, boss, right, yeah, that's a good point, okay.
Well, I'll tell you what we'llall head to the Northfield.
I didn't know there was aNorthfield, and if you guys
hustle, that'll count as cardiofor you today.
Yeah, scrab Whistle.

Speaker 3 (02:22:40):
The whistle bit is still a good joke.

Speaker 4 (02:22:43):
See, okay, I'm glad you said that, because I was
like I feel like my love for TedLasso is because I'm like like
the whistle thing has gone onfor a while and it still makes
me laugh.
Yeah but right before westarted, recording.

Speaker 3 (02:22:58):
I did mention that I and a couple of friends, to
another friend's chagrin, willjust kill a joke and then kill
it some more and then taxidermyit, and then kill that taxidermy
and bury it and then make ajoke about that.
So yeah, I run a joke into acrowd.

Speaker 2 (02:23:13):
I fucking love it.
I feel for your poor friend.
I feel for her.
Oh, that's great.
All right, folks, we're goingto leave it there today.
We've done enough damage forone episode.
Coach, where do people find youif they want to find you?

Speaker 4 (02:23:26):
Find me in the community.
Come through Buttercups Unite.
No, we're having some good funthere.
I'll be posting a couple ofprogressive commercials because
they're so awesome and cool andtotally what the kids are into
and yeah, that's the deal.
But seriously, become a ButterCup.

(02:23:49):
You will be joining a trulyamazing group of people.
The points that get made eventhe silly points, but also some
of the serious points in sharingit's a special thing.

Speaker 2 (02:24:00):
Boss, what about you?

Speaker 3 (02:24:02):
You can find me on threads at emilychambers.31.
Also on Moron Blue Sky.
I'm trying to figure out whereto land exactly.
Blue Sky seems pretty good.
That is Dumbly Chambers andalso at the community site.
Please come through.
I promise I'm going to be theremore.

Speaker 2 (02:24:18):
Okay, that's it for today.
We will be back next time withpart three of Ted Lasso, season
two, episode 12, inverting thepyramid of success.
Thank you everybody for joiningus.
As always, we really appreciateyou and and we love that you've
gotten this far with us.
We're you know.
I'm not going to say that thethe finish line is necessarily

(02:24:38):
in sight, but you know that wedid what?
Eight minutes, A little morethan the last time.
Yeah, but eight minutes, that's,that's, that's.
That's almost a one and a halftimes the first, first episode.
We're absolutely screwingthrough this episode at a
lightning pace.

Speaker 3 (02:24:58):
I'm just thinking.
Eight and a half minutes ofscrewing is impressive, great
job.

Speaker 2 (02:25:05):
Please support your local libraries and the written
word Until next time we are.

Speaker 4 (02:25:14):
Richmond Till we Die, until next time we are Richmond
, richmond, till we die, till wefuck you, piers Morgan.

Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
Yep, there it is, we're back.

Speaker 2 (02:25:24):
I thought it was going to be about Nate, but but
yeah, you zigged when I thoughtyou were going to zag.
Thank you coach, thank youeverybody.
We will see you next time.

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