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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful people.
Today we're talking about Wayne, episode six.
Who even are we now?
This is part three in ourconversation about this
incredible episode of Wayne.
Wayne is, of course, one season, which is why I'm not calling
out how many seasons there are.
Sadly, it's only one season andthose of you hanging out with

(01:01):
us and watching through.
You will pine away with me.
At the very end we see thatthere's no more Wayne
forthcoming.
I am your host, Coach Castleton.
With me is always this, CoachBishop.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
I may not be eating mushrooms, but you know what
I'll be eating when I'm off.
Mike, I'm a cereal because I'vebeen busy all morning.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Not what I expected With us is our boss, Emily
Chambers.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
So I've mentioned before that I am not currently
on Twitter.
No judgment, just personaldecision.
It's not my jam anymore.
But sometimes things happenwhere, like, the princess of
Wales disappears for two monthsand she's supposed to be having
surgery and it's on all the latenight talk shows because she
hasn't been seen and she keepsreleasing really weird

(01:49):
photoshopped pictures Not herindividually, but like the whole
thing.
So you dip into Twitter for asecond to find out what
everybody's saying about KateGait and while you're there, you
accidentally stumble down arabbit hole where a couple of
years ago, you and a friend ofyours were talking about how
great Sam Rockwell is and howhe's the kind of rap scallion

(02:11):
character who would ruin you ina great way.
Like she and I are talking backand forth about circa Charlie's
Angels and I'm like circa allthe time he's Sam Rockwell, he's
fucking great.
And then one of your mutualsdips in only to say slam cock
well.
And then he's gone.
That's all he writes about it.

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And then every once in a while,when you're back on Twitter,
you remember that time thatsomebody wrote Sam Clark slam
cock well, and so that it's areally good morning, then
everything's looking up.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
As one does, as one does.
Before we start you know,what's funny is that is in the
unedited version of MarcusAurelius' meditations.

Speaker 4 (03:03):
That's what I figured yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
So yeah, that's a foot of the chapter headings
Exactly.
Yeah, I don't, Whatever makesboss tick is just pure, pure
crazy pants, but he is.
He is remarkable.
We just watched Galaxy Questwhere he plays.
You find, well, at the very endthe new Galaxy Quest.

(03:28):
He plays Guy Fleegman assecurity chief, Rock Ingersoll,
and Rock is in a parent.
There's in quotes ROC, RockIngersoll.
Any points at the camera?
I just he's.
He's delightful.
It was so great to see.

(03:51):
When we first got to know SamRockwell, he would be this guy
that you'd kind of noticedbecause he would be good and
everything.
It was just little bit rollsand then he did the thing a la
Philip Seymour Hoffman, where henever disappointed.
Where you just go, the biggerrole you give him, the better
your film will be.
Like, are you aware that, likecertain actors, they just rise

(04:16):
to the occasion and they'renever bad?
Like, give him a crappy scriptand he'll still make that
character?
Yes, like you just go.
Oh, my God, it is stunning towatch that type of talent.
And he just seems like I can'ttell.
I mean you, you always cue intothe, the, the, the bad boy

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element, boss, or thetroublemaking element, and he
does have a.
He does have that writhe smileand mischievous eyes and that
sort of dynamic at the OscarsLast week.
He was who did he introduce?
Robert Downey Jr?
He introduced somebody you knowwhere they had the thing where
the, the former winners, comeout and they and they introduced
the other ones and he was likeyou could feel it was like

(05:01):
palpable excitement when, whenthey put him on the stage,
people were like, oh, I don'tknow what it is about the guy,
but man, he's easy to like.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
Is that what it is you think?
I think it's the dancing.
I think every time he goes outon a late night talk show he
dances his way out and it'salways very enjoyable.
But yeah, he seemed I don'tknow.
I know that it's extremely hardto tell.
I don't like having parasocialrelationships with celebrities

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because I don't actually knowthem at all, but he seems pretty
likable.
He's been dating what's yourface?
For like 17 years or something.
Now I'm gonna need a littleclarity on quote unquote.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
What's her face?

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yeah, no, what's her face?
Actually, she was in Iron manalso.
She was the blonde reporterthat Tony Stark went on a date
with, and I'm going to have tolook up her name.
I want to say it's Leslie Biv,but I could be wrong about that
I will double check.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Well, yeah, he is, he is charming.
Before we, before we logged on,we were talking a little bit
about treasured foods, that well, the reason we got into this
was because where we left offwith Wayne last time was the
line I said to the team here Isaid okay guys, we're going to
pick it up.
We're going to pick it up fromvintage pussay and and coach,

(06:22):
coach goes God damn like.
That's like in a businessmeeting.

Speaker 3 (06:26):
That's how, what you know when you're going to get
like, this is your direction.
We're picking it up fromvintage pussay Anyway go on.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And somehow that got us into treasured foods of our
childhood.
I don't know how we made thatleap, but coach had a had.
His mom used to make it akiller, like absolutely stellar
chicken lasagna that he swearsby and sort of magically,
wondrously, in a very poetic way, can't quite reproduce as well

(07:01):
as his mom used to make it,which makes me want to cry and
smile at the same time.
But he reports that if his momknew he was headed home, it
would be like, okay, I'll getthe lasagna you're cooking.
Am I saying that right, coach?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
That's totally, totally accurate.
It was amazing Quickly one timethis is not the cool part of
the story but I got like supersick.
I was in the hospital for aweek or whatever.
So finally my mom, who was likea notorious homebody that
decides she's going to fly toLos Angeles, which is when the
rest of my family realized, oh,this must be super serious, like

(07:40):
if my mom was going to likeleave.
Yeah, like it was like whoa.
And the first thing when I gothome or whatever, we, daphne,
took her to the store and thenext thing I knew that was
chicken lasagna prepared in thehouse.
This is what I do.
He has really cool.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I love that.
And Boss reported that Kathywas not a fabulous chef cook,
but there was a period of timewhere health food was sort of on
the table, a lot of carob whichled her, which led a friend, to
the show.
Boss is one of Boss's fiveUrsula to have a funny.

(08:23):
This is so great, Boss, Tellthis please.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
Yeah, man, look at all this lead up Another one of
our buddies I said somethingabout I think it was either
carob or was that.
As a child my favorite cookiewas a fig Newton.
And buddy Stephen was like, wow, that's so depressing, that's
so depressing that you liked afig Newton.
And he was like, did you alsoeat the dehydrated fruit paste?

(08:48):
No sugar added, no additives,no flavor.
Did you do that?
And I was like, of course theydid.
They were called fruit leathers.
Thank you Like, call them bythe proper name.
And then I described howcinnamon toast in our households
when we were young was holybread with cinnamon and butter
and maybe sometimes a little bitof honey, but definitely not

(09:10):
sugar.
Like absolutely 100%, no, notable sugar.
And yeah, my friend Ursula saidI grew up in Soviet Poland and
your food makes me sad.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
So classic, just a classic line.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, I mean yes.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
Whenever I stand by a fig Newton, I think they're
delicious.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
I would eat one right now.
I haven't heard of that, eventhe name, in so long.
But my sister loved fig Newton.
That specifically remember thatbecause I did not.
But you know, neither hander,they had my own crazy shit I
like, but she I remember mysister loving fig Newton.
So we both got to choose, likewhat our treat was going to be.
That was, that was her go to.

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So there you have good company.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's fruit and cake.
Like how can?

Speaker 3 (10:04):
you go wrong.
Yeah, it's true.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Okay, I want to point out something here, but I'm
going to pause for a secondBecause I feel a sneeze coming
on.
Nope, I think I fought it off.
I think I fought it off, folks.
A man is there though.
It is there, it's, it's makingitself known.
Oh, don't you worry, it'll beback mid sentence Now.
I want that first down that road, without a doubt, without a

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doubt.
Okay, so we're in the dinerwhere we left off last time.
You got the wing nut behind thecounter.
He may not be eating mushrooms,you know, he'll be eating later
.
And then I want to point out,because we ran over, this is
where the guy who labels himselfas Saddam says vintage Pusse,
sings it.

(10:50):
And I just want to point outthe reaction from Wayne, because
it's like he just stands thereLike like, why would you include
?
Like, first of all, we weretalking about the people right
behind first of all, like,directly.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
It's one thing to talk about the shot, by the way.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's one of the.
It's one thing to mention it inthe abstract, but like if,
without taking a, like a giantstep forward, like you would in
what's the game where you takebig, four big steps when you're
a kid, damn it Red red likegreen light.
Yeah, maybe it's something likethat when I remember this thing,
where you were trying to thinkof the game now but you would

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take these big giant steps andwithout taking that level giant
step, wayne could touch the, theowner of said vintage pussy,
and I think that's veryinappropriate, especially song
at the volume of its song.
Again, I always marvel at theRoy Kent.

(12:03):
I'm not like I'm just notinteracting with you.
Crazy person I'm not.
I'm not going to give you upface, I'm not going to you know,
I'm not going to do anything tosort of make you okay inside.
The Wayne does the same thinghere, just just does not.
He kind of looks at the guy andthen walks away and I'm like

(12:24):
it's a marvel to me.
I just go wow, that is such agood point.
I know boss has it.
I don't think I'll trip or Ihave.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
No, I definitely react, even if even if my
reaction is that's crazy.
I don't have that, which isalso why I'm not someone who
plays a lot of poker, because Ijust I can't do it, I just keep
my face tells much of the story.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Yeah, no, no, me too.
Yeah, I found out.
You don't yell yes when you getgood cards, Not a good poker
player.
Boss, we're gonna say it.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
No, just that it's wild, like I don't think I could
respond if I wanted to.
There have been times wherethere have, like, been people
that did similar things to whatthis guy did, I don't know
wherever and shouting things.
Whatever it is, and I don'tthink it's on.
It must be automatic.
I don't mean to do it, but myresponse is well, I have to walk

(13:20):
away now, like I couldn'tinteract with them if I wanted
to.
I could not validate what hewas saying about mushrooms and
vintage busies.
I would need to leave.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
Yeah, no, I like that , though.
I like the clarity of it andalso it's non committal.
I'm not judging you, I'm not,but it is time for me to go now.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yes, yeah, exactly Like I.
I know that I'm become, I havebecome, I am my mother in so
many ways, but it just therewould be a her voice in my head
that would slowly nod and sayOkay, and then we would have to
go like that would be the end ofit.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (14:01):
I love it.
I love it, I love it, boss.
Okay, so we open up, we're atthe police station where, where
we get the local sheriff, who isinviting Sergeant Geller and
Jay Gannetti into officerGannetti, into this sort of
little evidence room kind ofthing, right away he gets called

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away.
And I mentioned this last timewhere you know it's slightly
ineligible, where it's like wegot to get this guy out of here
and so they just put in a havelike we really need you on the
on the third floor, you know,sheriff.
And he's like, oh damn it, youknow.
And so he grunts and he says,All right, fellas, good luck, I

(14:46):
got to go.

Speaker 4 (14:47):
Although I would say that they've already laid the
foundation for this by havingthem on the radio saying like
mop up the water, I don't knowwhat to tell you.
You got to, you got to jigglethe handle.
So he very clearly is not, heisn't micromanaging.
It's other people are micropulling him in to do things that
probably yes, chief of policeshould not be doing.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yeah, and built in the and I and you know we've
referenced that and make Rebeccagreat again we had the, the
classic hotel employee, sayingyou know, we'll jiggle it the
handle a little harder, whatever, there's something truly, truly
universal, right I mean,obviously, about like bathroom

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issues, and I always find itfascinating because I'm like we
all use the bathroom to see, usethe euphemism of it all but
then there's a lot of energyspent on shielding any evidence
of said usage or theembarrassment like there's a

(15:50):
meme that I saw that's like thisperson with this panic face and
it's like the moment the waterstarts rising in somebody else's
bathroom.
And sure, I experienced thehorror too.
But like, why like, why Like?
Why is this as funny as it is?
Like if they were like hey,chief, come downstairs, the

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printer broke, like it'd be awaste, but it's a bathroom joke,
so it's funny and I'm not 100%clear why.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
Oh, I think it's because poop smells bad.
I think that's usually why it'sfunny.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
It is a.
It is a thank you.
You know people say why do youget the big bucks Like, why do
you?
And I think boss you justsolidified exactly why.
With that, with that insight,thank you.
Thank you for that.
Yes, it is a taboo subject.

(16:47):
Neither one of you have watchedcalling from accounts yet I'm
assuming you know.
I know.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
I'm working on it.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I know coach hasn't just go yet.
Not yet.
I'm a whole my damn breath onthat coach.
I know it'll be 20 30 beforecoach even begins to think about
watching that.
But there is a pretty brutalscene in the bathroom In that

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show to begin, but it is a.
It is a something that is sortof universal.
So Jay and and and Geller areabout to figure out whether or
not, you know, they heard aboutsomebody doused some, a guy with
a Boston accent, doused a guyin gasoline, and they're about

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to find out if Wayne is someonethat they should be saving the
world from you know, or viceversa, are we trying to say
Wayne from the world, we'retrying to say the world from
Wayne?
And so they, here they go, theyhe says just hit it Jay.
And they press, press, play,and we see what here, coach,

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it's not him.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yes.
I am him, and then wait, that'sthe motherfucker.
I taste Right and so, no, I'mgonna, just so great.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
If I'm gonna refresh people's memory, it was probably
episode two, I'm guessing twoor three, probably two.
And Bobby the Chetty shows upat the, at the local police
outreach day, at the, at thelocal ice cream stand, and
threatens Sergeant killer andgets taste for his truck.

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It is all cops, it is familiesand cops.
Bobby the Chetty yells aloudI'm gonna smoke here and anybody
who's got a problem with it canfucking blow me.
And then you get that amazinginsert of a mom and her two

(19:10):
daughters, just just like a gas.
Yeah, you go.
I mean, listen, it's horrifying.
I laugh because it ishorrifying.
I don't laugh because it isappropriate.
It is Talk about a scene thatproperly portrays the absolute
scumbaggery of a certaincharacter.

(19:30):
Right, right, just the, justthe level of asshole who would
just yell out at a family event.
Yeah, and then, and then atleast I'm getting taste.
So Jay notices this oh, my god,that's the guy I taste.
Okay, and so now we, we cutover to.

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Okay, that's it.
Now we have some insight,because now we know okay, listen
, geller was, at least at thispoint Geller is right, we, he
has an instinct about Wayne.
He just feels like secondchances.
And so okay, to this point atleast, he has no reason to check
out.
Coach is it just?

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I'm pretty sure this is so, but is this the first
that Jay and Geller nowunderstand that they're not the
only ones pursuing Wayne?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, I mean yeah, they were not aware that the
family, that Dell's family, wason the job.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Yeah, that's, yeah, that matters.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
And yeah, we've rightly pointed out that Dell,
for lack of, for better or forworse, mostly for worse has not
been the focal point of theirsearch.
You would think it would belike, oh, this girl has been
abducted, let's go find the girl.
In our, in our male centricworld, we noticed that the

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languaging has mostly beenaround the Wayne side of the
equation, not something that werubber stamp over here, but we,
we are mindful of it and, andyes, I do not believe to this
point, they knew that company onthe road boss.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
The only thing I'll say about that is that for the
purpose of the show, I dounderstand why they're framing
it this way, so that weunderstand they are good
characters coming after Wayne,not bad ones.
It like Bobby Luchetti,obviously, but this is
unfortunately the because thebar is in hell.

(21:30):
There are a lot of especiallyfantasy TV shows where, in order
to prove that a male characteris good, they have him, give him
the opportunity to rape aperson, and then he doesn't and
you're like oh, I got it, you'rethe good guy, which, oh my God
that's horrifying.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, I'm sorry that I never noticed that.
I'm gonna make a lot of showsin my head like Wait, is that
true?
Oh, true, I'm sure you're right.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
It's like horrifying when you realize it and you're
like, oh yeah, the good guy isthe guy who didn't rape when he
theoretically could.
Oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
Yeah, it's wild and I will mention I think that that
was also a minor plot point inthe transporter.
So, like, definitely not onlyin fantasy movies.
It's a thing, it's a wholething.
So I understand whencommunicating to an audience
like this is a good way ofsaying that the police are
interested in helping Wayne andthat they are not assholes.

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Like this is characterdevelopment.
It's just, things are sometimesso shitty that character
development is.
Well, we can't pay attention tothe girl because we're good
guys are paying attention to theboy.
Like I understand why they'redoing it.
It's more a comment on societythan the show itself.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
You know, yesterday on our side.
sorry Co no I was gonna mentionthat yesterday, on the community
site, we had a goodconversation about divorce and
marriage, and I posted thisthing, this great video that I
found about the lack of malerole models in television, and
it's amazing because in a man'sworld, in a world where we talk

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about how women have no rightsand, no, you know, are always
wrong, no matter what you choose, society will paint you one way
or another.
Oh, her husband cheated on her.
I guess she didn't service himenough, right?
I guess it must have been.
She's know how to take care ofher man.
Oh, you know her husband is notcheating on her.

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Wow, she must be a real battleax, and keeping him locked out
Like it doesn't matter, societyfinds a way to paint women into
a corner.
What this one video showed,though, was amazing, was that
actually, in popular media,there have been a number of
exceptional, advanced women rolemodels for young girls to

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emulate, and they list them alloff, and there's, like a number
of people who are not defined bythe person, the partner they
pick, male or female.
Some of them are not defined bytheir career.
Some of them are not defined bythe family they grew up in.
You just go.
Wow, this is like remarkable.
And yet male role modelslanguish far behind, far behind,

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with the exception of BanditHealer in Bluey, who I have
behind me.
Where's my little?
Right behind me, here on mybookshelf I have a little little
Bandit stuffy, because you justdon't see that much.
It's one of the reasons coachand I gravitated to Ted Lasso
and even then, right while hemight be an avatar as a good man

(24:40):
, it's a questionable parent.
There's definitely cases to bemade that he's not the ultimate
father.
But it's crazy that and Ishould say crazy, it is telling
that we always say verydifficult to find the line

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between masculinity and what wecall toxic masculinity, in that
the second one has ingested thefirst.
You can't find a definition ofmasculinity that does somehow
have some toxicity associatedwith it and gee, I wonder why.
Who are these kids emulatingthat?

(25:23):
Don't use violence as a tool.
Anyway, it's a fascinatingvideo.
I posted it on the communitysite and, coach, I'm very sorry
to have cut you off there.

Speaker 3 (25:35):
No, no, no.
Now I want to respond to thatbecause you know new tangent.
I had a tangent and I got newtangent.
But first of all, the point youjust made me go back through my
own viewing experiences, justlike the first cover, and I went
oh yeah nope, not him.
Okay, so there's something tothat, but what it really makes

(25:59):
me think about is the fact thatwe talk about and this is in
both directions we talk abouthow bad sexism, the patriarchy,
misogyny, is for women, but Ithink this should be much more
serious conversation about howbad it is for men, how bad it is
for boys.
It's, it's, it's.

(26:19):
There's a lot that's deeply,deeply unhealthy about just
behaving this way and havingthese ideas and then having to
deny.
I mean, I understand thatsocial media is a place where we
get it's not necessarily areflection of, like, the
percentage of people who think A, B or C, but the number of

(26:42):
memes and comments and videosaround this is, you know, such
and such as a feminine trait andit's clearly not an objective
observation.
It is you are not a real manbecause you are doing this thing
or because you ate a popsiclein public.
It's so fucking insane and yeah, anyway, I think we should be

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having much more conversationabout that.
But in the other direction, whenthere is that great woman
character and I I know I've saidit and I meant it which was
this is so good for girls tohave someone to look up to, Well
, it's good for everyone to havesomeone to look up to Like.
Why?
Why is Serena only good forgirls to look up to Like?

(27:29):
Serena is a fucking amazingathlete who had to, like, first
learn to play where there wasbroken glass.
Why, why is she only someonefrom girls to look up to?
So I think it's really damaging, just as I think whiteness is
damaging to white people, butyou know that's a whole other
set of conversations.
But I it's really damaging thatwe, that we shape things the

(27:50):
way we do and approach them theway we do and I did see you all
were having that conversation,but it seems super serious and I
was like I'm gonna have to havetime for this.
Every notification I got I waslike God damn, they over there
digging in no.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
I actually agree with everything both of you just
said, which is not usual forthis show.
I'm going to try to becomebitchier just to have something
to talk about, but I think oneof the I am not one of these.
I'm fearful for the state ofmanhood.
I'm afraid of the state ofmanhood right now.

(28:23):
I'm not worried about what isgoing to happen, but a thing
that I do know will be happeningis that more and more women are
opting not to get married andhave kids, and I should clarify
that sometimes this is the likeintentionally not getting
married child free version.
But there are also a lot ofcases.

(28:46):
Women that I know who arefantastic and great in every way
have decided I haven't found apartner who I consider to be
worth my time, so I am not doinga partnership.
Like we had a society that forso long forced women into
marriage and motherhood in orderto be secure in society, and

(29:06):
now that we have a little bit of, we can do it on our own.
We're like fuck yeah, we'redoing it on our own.
So it isn't just that.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
Oh sorry.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
I was going to say it's.
It isn't just that the currentstate of patriarchy is harmful
to men as well as women, eventhough in a lot of ways it
prefers men.
It is that this state ofpatriarchy is going to be
changing slightly in the nearfuture and currently and there
are going to be men who don'teven have the outlet of their

(29:35):
romantic partner as emotionalsupport and all these other
things.
So it's got to be fucked for alittle bit, like until guys
start getting their shittogether to go to therapy and
figure the stuff out and formlasting relationships with each
other and become worthy of womenpartners.
It's going to be lonely andhard.
There's going to be a periodwhere shit gets really bad.
I'm hoping it gets better, butright now shit is going to get

(29:58):
pretty bad.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
I first want to share that I'm glad Daphne missed
this opportunity to live adecent life.
She was just born a few yearstoo soon and figured I could do
better than this, but then againI might do worse.
Fuck it.
I'll just marry him and solucky me.

(30:21):
But beyond that, I do see avery scary piece, and we've
talked on the show, I'm sure atsome point about incels and that
whole piece.
But there's a lot of women needto understand energy and
there's a lot of anger, which isparticularly scary because we

(30:43):
know when men are angry ratherthan just go sit somewhere and
rot.
There are times when they thenexplode and their anger ends in
other people's deaths or otherreally horrific and ugly things.
You know what I'm saying?
And so white male rage whitemale rage Yep exactly.

(31:06):
You know.
So it's really horrifying thatthe very response to all right,
this is bullshit and I'm notgoing to do it, just because
everyone says I should want todo it, results in more of the
bad behavior.
Like I've said more than onceabout incels hey, there were
girls that didn't want to fuckme.
You know what I did?
I worked out, popped a mitt,took a shower.

(31:27):
What the fuck's the matter withyou that you think like, oh,
nobody will fuck me, I'm gonnashoot up the joint.
Like what the fuck Like?

Speaker 4 (31:34):
what, yeah, what White dude rage?
Very much so.
And also the thing that I lovethe most is watching women
decide I am not going tocompromise my standards in order
to get a partner.
I am going to live a full lifeoutside of having a partner.
And then people are like if youdon't watch out, you're never

(31:56):
gonna get a husband that way andshe's like bitch.
I already made that choice.
I already decided that this isnot like.
You don't need to warn me abouthow I'm gonna die alone with my
cats.
That is in my will.
I am hanging out with my catsuntil I die, like.
This is the plan.
You can't threaten me with agood time.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
But listen to.
What's built into that also isyou know what?
I'm not gonna get married untilI find a man worthy of making
my partner.
Well then you're gonna diealone.
Built into that is theacknowledgement like we don't
got men like that.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Like wait, what?
Yeah?
Yeah, it's fucking wise.
This may be the only positivebyproduct of social media,
because what?
The way this has happened, theway this has come about is so,
yes, I love everything you'reboth saying.
Once upon a time, it willcurrently also, and then, more

(32:53):
often in some cultures thanother cultures, the pressing
person who is going to try toforce you into a relationship
they understand is older membersof your family, right?
So it's your aunts and it'syour mom and it's your
grandmother.
Oh, honey, you need a man,whatever right.
But social media has made itreally apparent to a younger

(33:16):
generation, which is a smarterand more informed generation,
that they don't want to find outthe hard way.
So, the way I see it, ithappens in three tiers.
I've talked many, many, manytimes on this podcast about the
abundance, the overabundance,the surplus of utterly

(33:41):
mind-blowing, amazing over 50women who did their.
They paid their dues in the waythat they saw in the world that
they were raised in.
They did all the right thingsright.
And then they raised theirchildren properly and they have
come comported to the rules andnorms of society.
And then their kids moved onand they sat there with an

(34:07):
absolute bag of bones as ahusband and said, for the very
first time, they allowedthemselves to ask the question
what do I want?
And so that's why you have thissort of golden era of moms and
women who have started to thinkof themselves after they've

(34:32):
raised their children.
The second group is a slightlyyounger group of women who are
divorces or they had a long-termrelationship and then they
thought, okay, I have childrennow with a partner.
I have children with a man.
Why is it that he moreresembles a child than he does a

(34:57):
partner, an equal partner inthis?
Why is it that I have to managehis affairs on top of managing
the children's affairs, insteadof him equally sharing the
responsibilities of the childrearing?
And they say you know what, I'mgonna do it on my own.
And so that's the middle tier,right.

(35:17):
And they go because they sayit's easier.
Like you would think it wouldbe more difficult, but it's not
because it's one less person tobe a burden to me.
And this is we've spoken aboutit how they?
You know, historically there'sthis thing in this country I'm
speaking for the United States,but I know they've done it in

(35:38):
different versions elsewhere inthe world where it's like oh,
you have a misbehaving boy,let's sit him next to a really
well-behaved, smart, upwardlymobile girl and she'll calm him
down as if it's herresponsibility to sort of curb
the boy's behavior.
Societally we have it's a liethat we've sold women forever.

(35:59):
And then you have the thirdtier, which are young women who
go fuck it.
I'm not doing that Because ofsocial media.
They see it and they go.
I have no desire to destroy mylife before it starts.
Why would I do this?
Like, unless you can come to meas a partner, as a real equal

(36:20):
in maturity, in effort, inoutlook, in worldview, why would
I do this?
And then you have amazing youngwomen who they will, they'll
say, all right, let's thisinteresting dynamic of they're
not romantic partners but theywill live together for an

(36:43):
extended period of time, they'llshare bills, they'll do they're
sort of like working togethermore of a team, in a way that
you would usually do with them,someone you would couple with in
your 20s, and it's becausethey're like I'm not gonna
settle, and I think that.

(37:04):
So that revolution is alreadyhappening in three different
ways, and you both rightly pointout that men need to catch up.
One of the reasons I bring upthe lack of role models is
because it's something we haveto get right.
It's something we really needto rethink and define what we
expect of men of the nextgeneration, and that leads us

(37:29):
into this.
Actually, really, I love thisscene so much.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
This is a it's sneaky deep, but that's our man, yeah
no no, no, it is right.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
This is a recharging hope with leadership, the
principles conference, theeighth annual principles
conference.
From 9 am to 12 pm, we gotdepression in academics.
From 12 to 3 pm, we haveregaining the reins.
These are the.
This is the schedule of eventsat the Recharging Hope with
Leadership Conference for schoolprincipals.

(38:02):
And this is where we pivot overto, of course, principal Tommy
Cole, played by Michael Malley,who I just wanna hang out with
all the time.
I just love Michael Malley somuch, he's so good.
He's one of those guys wetalked about.
He's just good in everything,everything.
And so we go into.

(38:24):
We saw him in a previous scenein his hotel room with Orlando
and he couldn't figure out whatto write.
He just had procrastinating.
He has no idea.
He's gotta give a speech.
He has no idea what to do, andso he settled on.
What did he decide on?
Voss?

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Oh, that was about how you have to listen in order
to lead and be a principalalthough I might be pulling that
from Saved by the Bell.
When Mr Belling said I think anear identical thing, I didn't
watch that show.
That much.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
He just Googles speech for principals and steals
it off the internet.
Okay, and that's what he'sgonna go into this one.
So we move in with people sortof cheering or clapping for one
of the speakers and we haveMichael Malley.
Sorry, but old Tommy Cole, heis nervous, he's got his tie on

(39:18):
and the speaker in front of him.
I mean this, you can't say, youcan't write this, but just so,
so brutal.
He says I'm the next one up andthen the speaker goes and the
first lines of the speaker arewhat here, coach?

Speaker 3 (39:39):
To lead is to listen.
To educate is to understand.
To steal a speech off theinternet is a really bad idea.
I can't, because now you'rescrewed.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
I can't believe you almost said that you couldn't
write this because I was gonnasay if Tommy Cole and apparently
you had done yourself the favorof watching bring it on, you
would have known that this shithappens.
You don't hire the fake coachin order to give you a dance.
You create your own, and thenyou aren't embarrassed by the

(40:11):
fucking team right before youdoing the exact same dance at
regionals, and then the Cloversdon't need to beat your ass in
the next dance competition.
What are you people doing?
What were you doing in 1999that you learned?
Watching bring it on.
It's already been brought in.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
It has been brought in.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
I'm sure I watched bring it on, oh you should.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's phenomenal.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
I stand by it.
I know quite.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I.
I haven't seen it since then,but I definitely saw it Because
I remember thinking like yeah,yeah, yeah right, they stole all
this.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I enjoyed that shit.
Yes, yes, now, yeah, I just gota spark of memory.
Yes, that's correct.

Speaker 4 (40:48):
Yeah, Kirsten Dunst and Gabriel Union.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (40:52):
I mean come on, yeah, no you're right.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
That was really good.
I really enjoyed that.
Now Bobby Cole is.
He's parked folks, he is thenext speaker up and he, the
gentleman in front of him, is asmuch of a burnout as he is.
He is fucked.
What is he going to do in thissituation?

(41:15):
He looks so helpless.
He looks at his speech.
He goes oh for fuck's sake, no,no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
And then Quickly coach Excuseme, I also think this.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
I mean, I think it's a little bit of a.
I also think this I mean I'mglad you say a burnout it's such
a like it's all so hopeless,it's all so hopeless and it just

(41:49):
seems like that's the piece.
For me, that is Wayne is aproduct of all the other things
we're seeing here and in a way,I feel like Gellar's pursuit of
him and our resaving Wayne fromthe world, and the world from
where I think at some point youwere going to get a Wayne out of

(42:14):
this system right, like whereyou gather principles Like these
are the people who would callyou into their office to talk
about why plagiarism is aproblem, and there are enough of
them stealing speeches thatwe've got the same stolen speech
in a row.
So, yeah, I feel like it reallyjust highlights like we're so

(42:38):
far gone, it's so far off therails that, yes, we are saving.
It is crazy.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
It is crazy and you feel like teaching is ground
zero for it, because we're so.
It's funny.
I have a friend who isbrilliant and brilliant in the
way that's like he's the son oftwo philosophy professors and he

(43:01):
will come up with thingssometimes that just is really
out of left field.
We were talking about AI andthe singularity and things like
that and he said he's like, I'mnot saying AI has taken over
already.
I know people are thinkingabout the future where AI takes
over, he's like.
But if you were AI and you wentback to, let's say, right

(43:25):
around 9-11, right, and youcould take over, then Wouldn't
you slowly erode the foundationsthat have given humans comfort
over the years, to the pointwhere they need desperately for
another entity to come in andmake sense of it?
He's like you look at teaching.
And I will forever kick myselfbecause I saw this one.

(43:50):
It was one I've referenced itbefore on the show.
It was a cartoon, like a littlecomic, one panel cartoon I
can't remember it must have beenthe New Yorker or something,
but it was from the perspectiveof the teacher looking at the
teacher's class.
There was a woman teacher inthe cartoon and in the front of

(44:11):
every desk.
It showed the particular sortof challenge of each student.
So one kid was autistic,another kid was food.
What do you call it, boss?
What's the term?
Food, insolvent, or what's?
They don't have food at home.
They don't have food at home.

(44:32):
Food insecure.
Food insecure, yeah, foodinsecure.
And then another kid wasdyslexic and another kid was.
And you look at the teacher,looking at 30 desks with 30
different things, like, oh, oneis domestic abuse, one is child
divorce, one is you know.
And you go and you say, how areteachers trained?
What we expect from them is sootherworldly.
And then you know what we do wepay them in cabbage and we

(44:56):
don't.
They don't have a place ofreverence and respect and we
don't give them the support theyneed to transition these kids
from hopelessness to hopefulness.
And what ends up happening isyou have principals full of shit
copying speeches off theinternet.
The classic sort of positioningstructure has always been that

(45:26):
Orwell's 1984 painted a brutalview of the future and so many
more people are not coming overto Aldous Huxley's Brave New
World version of it, whereyou're just absolutely sconstant
, stupid and you can't make outheads or tails anywhere For

(45:47):
someone in a position ofleadership to be so morally
bankrupt as to yes, right, youjust say what?
Go ahead, boss.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
I'm going to disagree with morally bankrupt, because
I don't think that we thinkButthole Tommy Cole is morally
bankrupt.
We think that he is broken downby a system that is so
overwhelmingly against him Likehe didn't.
He wanted to do a good job.
He wanted to give an impressivespeech because he wanted to get
the iPads even though thestudents are going to take it up
on them, like he wants to dowell for the school and he is at

(46:24):
capacity in terms of bandwidth.
So he takes somebody else'sidea of a good speech because he
wants to do well, because he'strying.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So it's unconscionable, though.
Yes, yes, right, he's notcompletely bankrupt as a human
being, but you cannot plagiarizea speech as a person who
teaches people to not plagiarizeanything Like.
It is contemptible, and so it'sinteresting.
I understand where you'recoming from.
I would just say, like hereally can't make this
particular choice.

Speaker 3 (46:55):
It's interesting though I think.
So I would.
Yes, and the things you'resaying, you're each saying
because I'm with you, coach, andthat's why I said that, in that
what you just said is accurate,like what are we doing here
Also, I mean, it reminds me ofsome years back, and I'm not

(47:16):
condoning this in any way.
I'm actually saying that it'sthe yes and that we're bridging
here, because what Boss bringsup is also valid, which is we
put people in impossible.
We put people in impossiblecircumstances, we put people in
desperate circumstances and thenwe wail on them for making the

(47:40):
desperate choice right.
So if desperate times calls fordesperate measures and this
guy's got nothing like he is sospent that he's got nothing when
he looks inside and says, okay,where are the words?
There are no words there Thenhe does the desperate thing
about it.
And it reminds me I want to sayit was in Atlanta actually, it
was definitely in the greaterAtlanta area Some teachers got

(48:03):
busted, like I think some endedup doing prison time actually
because they basically had acheating scheme and so their
school gets funding or whateverbased on kid scores.
The kid scores were going to behorrific.
So they basically set up awhole cheating thing and they

(48:24):
got busted.
Like I said, I think somepeople actually went to prison
for this shit.
And part of me was like youcan't do that.
I totally think that has to bepunished.
I get it.
Another part of me was like doyou think anybody in this
cheating ring set out on theeducational journey and were
like you know what I'm going todo, I'm going to make shit money

(48:47):
so I can break the law for somegoddamn test scores?
Like there's no way.
So we put people in desperatesituations and we really wail on
them when they make bad choices.
But when all you have are badchoices, you're probably going
to pay for it.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's a great point and I want to point out that we
have different rules fordifferent socioeconomic classes.
Absolutely Like you know, thehousing and mortgage crisis.

Speaker 4 (49:18):
Housing crisis I think one person or two people
went to did some soft time andyou think yeah, If the movie the
big short is to believe, Ithink that it was one guy who
was like a junior associate orsome bullshit.

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Imagine if you were that guy and you're like what
for real?
Like are you me?
Like, are you guys fuckingserious, like I know, yes, I
snore coke, I'm a dick, I'msaying I'm just making myself.

Speaker 4 (49:53):
I don't want to get sued.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
But I'm saying, if I were that guy I'd be like okay,
yeah, I'm a shithead, you knowboiler room banker guy.
But like, yeah, holy shit, like, are you fucking like me?
It was all me, huh and Ronbrought the whole country.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Tell them that Okay.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Anyway.
So yeah, bobby Cole, sittingthere.
Orlando says he just steal yourstolen speech, dumbass.
Just scrolled to the second one.
That's what Orlando saysbecause he has more experience
in plagiarizing than theprincipal does.
Of course.
Right Now we cut over to I mean, what is?

(50:35):
What is Tommy Cole going to do?
We don't know.
We cut over to the dance, overat where Adele is hanging out
with, like this is her firsttime in.
It's not her first time in adance, because we've seen her in
an event right at her school.
But this is like a differentsort of vibe with Jen and Stacy,

(51:00):
right, is it Stacy?
What's the last other name?
Hold on one second.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
I thought it was Tish , Tish, wait, no, Tish it's not
Tish.
Tish is another character.

Speaker 2 (51:09):
Why am I getting confused, jenny, and?

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Trish with an R, not Tish.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Jenny and Trish and so, yeah, okay, so we get this
sort of all American lookingquarterback dude.
Walks up to Adele and uses, Imean, I think, probably the

(51:39):
coolest line ever spoken.
Probably works all the time.
What does he say, boss?

Speaker 4 (51:46):
Oh, you mean Andy Sandberg's son here.

Speaker 2 (51:49):
Is that who he looks like to you?
Oh yeah, andy Sandberg's.
Yeah, I can see that.
Yeah, a little bit.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
He says hey, you like football.
Which is Now I'm going tocomplain and say a similar line
did work on me once, but thatwas when I was at a table with a
group of my friends and agentleman strolled over and said
so do ladies like robots?

(52:13):
And then we went on anotherdate and that was like 18 years
ago.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Shut up, that's a friend.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
I'm so goddamn happy right now.
I'm so happy right now.
If you could harness myhappiness right now, you could
fucking power a city, oh my.

Speaker 4 (52:46):
So okay.
So here's the thing we met at aparty and then he had a
birthday party a couple of weekslater that he invited me to
because he was like, yeah, weshould go have more dates.
And so at that second partylike we already made out
anything new that I liked him.
I was at the table with two ofmy friends talking and he got

(53:06):
finished doing something elseand then came over and that was
the opener, but that is what hesaid.
Like he came over to us withour drinks and said so do you,
ladies, like robots?
Uh-huh.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
I mean it's cool, what.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
After 7,500 hours of running my mouth and coach
giving me looks that are likeplease, god, let us get through
one minute of screen time.
You have rendered me speechless.
I am.
I got nothing.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
I love it so much, but I really don't have any
commentary, nothing, I'm justokay.

Speaker 4 (53:44):
And it's not that he thought that the line would work
.
He thought it would be funny,but also, if we were interested
in talking about robots, hewould be up for that.
Like it works either way forhim.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
It reminds me of this thing.
I saw that.
Really, it just cracked me up.
I'm going to read it here.
It was in my feed on threadsand it was from somebody called
Damon Adams and he said imagineif people knocked on your door
to talk about science instead ofreligion.
Hi, we just like a quick chatabout the possibility of life in

(54:16):
the atmosphere of Venus andthought you might be interested
in hearing about phosphine.
And I thought, oh boy, thatwould be a different world to
live in.
You just don't get peoplecoming to you with a lot of the
interesting you know like didthat kind of thing.

(54:37):
So I really like the robots.
I like that.
It worked for you, boss.
It's interesting.
It's interesting.
It's a little blank there.
So this guy says, hey, you likefootball and Dell.
Man, she knows how to flirt.
What does she say?

Speaker 4 (54:59):
No.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
No, and he pivots right away.
I love it.
He says what boss?

Speaker 4 (55:09):
Yeah, that's why I wrote same.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Yeah, awesome.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
Same.

Speaker 2 (55:13):
Yeah, that's why I wrote.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I love that they added that line, because if he
just walks away in a way, I getto like kind of just write him
off as just some jerk oh, it'sthe long kid football player.
But for me the pivot said well,yeah, it was an awkward first
line because he's some 17 yearold kid in a plaid shirt, in a

(55:40):
kind of weird tie, button downcollar, like he's figuring this
out too, you know what I mean.
Like he is awkward, because ofcourse he's awkward and I think
it would have been easy to writehim off as just like football
player one more easily.
Yeah, if you don't have thatpivot.

Speaker 4 (55:59):
Yeah, no, he is.
His character is the oppositeof what I am into.
My thing is confident nerd andhe is awkward.
Jack, it's the opposite side ofthe spectrum from what I'm
interested in.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
I love this guy.
I boy boy.
I can't tell you how much Ijust enjoyed a black man, sort
of just going to bat for anawkward handsome.
Well, it's not me who I reallyman, I appreciated that.

(56:36):
And Dale says oh honey, blessyour heart, she's quick study
that.

Speaker 3 (56:43):
I like that too, though, like it shows, like
she's, she's, she's quick, youdon't have to tell, you have to
tell.
Tell Del twice.
What does that mean?
How do you use it?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Boom, boom got it Moving on, yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
I'm hearing that I got it.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
Well, it's funny because the girls Trish and Jen
were not really using Wickedcorrectly, Right, they were sort
of sort of workshopping it, butman Del Del can just just use
it out in the wild off the cuff.
And while she's doing that onone side of the gymnasium, who
should enter on the other sideof the gymnasium?

(57:18):
Coach.

Speaker 3 (57:19):
Here comes Wayne in the pink suit.
We saw offered to him earlierthe shirt to match, and that was
, I believe, trish's dad gotmarried in that.
I'm going to go ahead and callit a get up, and that's an
ensemble for sure.
Yeah, it's quite something.
And so now he looks over.

(57:42):
I actually really appreciatedthis moment.
He looks over and our awkwardjock touches Del's arm Obviously
a little.
You know, hey, am I making anyprogress here or not?
Kind of a move, you know, it'snot a, it's not a group, but
it's definitely a touch.
And Wayne spots it and we zoomin on it.
We see the intensity in himseeing that and he balls his

(58:03):
fist, and in real time.
I got very tense because I waslike, oh no, like, this poor kid
is a boy, this kid is about toget destroyed.
And he was just trying to ask acute girl to dance, like he
really didn't ask for this, andso what happens next was wait,

(58:25):
coach, let's talk to the lightcoach.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
What?
Tell me why you knew visually.
Didn't say we didn't see you,right, right.
What are the camera choices?
What are the editing choicesthat they've?

Speaker 3 (58:38):
made.
We go to an extreme close, orcertainly a close on the hand on
the arm, reverse to a close,zooming in, pretty like almost
racking to Wayne's face.
So we know like it's an intensemoment.
And then there's a tight shoton Wayne's fist balling up.

(59:04):
So I mean it's the dots areconnected from us Arm, eyes,
fist, and then we see Waynecharge out of frame in that
direction and I was scared.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
The show has conditioned us.
Right.
So I love this reaction becauseI was like this is not, bro
Wayne, I love you, this is not.
Yes, I'm taking takingadvantage of immigrants Like
this is not, you know, likemigrant workers.
This is not that you know.
This is not the the yourlandlord, mr Hernandez, saying

(59:43):
he hopes your dad dies Likeright.
You know what I mean.
Or your mom was a lot of guysin and out of there, you know.
I don't know if you're actuallyour kid or his kid about his
father.
So I was very concerned when wesee Wayne start charging and,
thankfully, what happens to yourcoach?

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Wayne use the momentum of said charge, slides
on his knees, fist in the air.
I mean amazing.
It's like straight out of youknow some 80s.
The preacher didn't let usdance, but one kid decided to
buck the system kind of a momentand then he stands up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Was it a Saturday Night Fever move?
I'm trying to think of where.
I've seen that before.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
It might have been it has your referencing.
Footloose maybe, but that'swhat I was thinking, but it
could have been like it's astand alive.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I don't know.
I'm like, I feel like I've seenthe knees, head down, fist in
the air.
I don't know, boss, anythingyou got on here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
You have and you're going to be either excited or
embarrassed.
It is from Teen Wolf.
It 100% has to be from TeenWolf, okay, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
I mean, if he didn't do that exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
It is so closely mimicking him, writing the band
through the middle of the townlike dancing on it.
That is what they're doing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
It wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Teen Wolf doing something else too.
Wasn't that an homage tosomething else I'm trying to
remember?
We'll have to look this up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
Then 80s had a number of men dancing in the streets
for no reason.
It's like why was FerrisBueller in the middle of the St
Patrick's Day parade?
It doesn't make any sense, itjust happens.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Was that like the like progressfor men you can be free enough
to like dance full out moment.

Speaker 4 (01:01:34):
Oh, maybe, maybe now you're such a badass that you
can dance.

Speaker 3 (01:01:38):
Yeah, it still be a badass.

Speaker 4 (01:01:39):
That's what they're going for here, for sure.
You're wearing pink and you'redancing and you are a badass,
great job.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
The rules were different back then.
I was in a thing called theCivil Air Patrol, which was the
United States Air ForceAuxiliary.
It was training young membersof society to understand how the
military works and give them asort of a quick way into the Air

(01:02:08):
Force.
I came from a military familyso I went to the we call it the
CAP.
They had all these greatsponsorship opportunities and
these great scholarships.
If you're good enough, ifyou're cadet that really proved

(01:02:30):
yourself.
You could level up and rank upand then get into the Air Force
Academy.
It still exists today.
It's weirdly unknown.
I don't know why more peopledon't know about it, but I
remember I went to thisencampment.
We had to stay two weeks onthis military base and that was
probably 13.

(01:02:52):
Maybe, yeah, right around thatage.
I remember that on the way wehad a really good group I'm
trying to think what we calledit back then.
It was like a wing or somethinglike that.
I remember marching to thefinal parade.
We had been practicing, or noone could see us where we would

(01:03:13):
put our shades on like a top gunand then we would sort of do
this dance, step as the whole inwhile we were marching and the
place went fucking bananas whenwe did it and we won every award
and the guy that was ourcommanding officer, who was like
a cadet, he got he got like oneof those crazy scholarships and

(01:03:38):
ended up later on in the AirForce Academy.
I just remember, I love it.
I remember knowing we were sofucking cool and you couldn't.
It was just a simpler time.
It was just like it was kind ofcrazy.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
This is when I see the commercials for and not even
commercials, but like the 70sads, where the models are all
wearing matching overall outfitswith turtlenecks, and they're
like doing dances in front ofthe cars, and I'm like this was
a different time.
This was a time when peopledidn't understand what models

(01:04:18):
jobs were.
Because it's not.
It's not to wear overalls likethat, it's not what they're
supposed to be doing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
It says you boss.
This goes back like if you wantto understand that time.
The greatest glimpse into thatis the.
For those of you who have notseen the show, the peacemaker it
is the title.
Sequence to peacemaker is athrowback.
James Gunn is the director.
It is a throwback to adifferent era where you would

(01:04:47):
have everybody in the castdancing and it is so
preposterous to see it now youjust can't believe your eyes
because it's always this reallyweird, awkward dancing, you know
, hyper choreographed no onesmiles.
I'll put it on the communitysite because it's my favorite

(01:05:08):
thing.
When I am in a crummy mood, Iwill play the peacemaker title
sequence just to laugh and belike God damn, things aren't
that bad, like you know.
It's just.
You just watch it and you go.
I cannot believe this is how weused to do it.
How were we ever this simple?
It was like amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:05:28):
I did not know that that was a real song.
I thought that that was a songthat they made for the TV show
itself.
Oh, it turns out, it turns out.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
No, no, it's a real song, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:05:38):
Duds, do you want to taste it by Wigwam?

Speaker 2 (01:05:41):
or Wigwam, yes, Norwegian band, yeah, wigwam,
jesus Christ.
James Gunn does a thing everyyear where he puts out like his
top songs of he's great becausehe did it was Guardians of the
Galaxy.
I remember like the way heincorporated music into the
first Guardians of the Galaxy.
I was like, wow, this is Idon't know.

(01:06:01):
I guess it's probably mynostalgia talking because he's
he listed the same stuff I did.
We talked about Ted Lasso andhow some of the you know some of
the moments you were like okay,whatever we were doing, we were
doing it elsewhere at the sametime.
But anyway, it is a simplertime and when Wayne does this
sliding me thing, we know Waynehas read a book, at least a book

(01:06:25):
about werewolves, I think itwas and he has not seen many
movies.
The point where his likecultural knowledge is like squat
, it's worse than like a WorldWar II veteran.
You know like he has seennothing right, doesn't watch TV,
doesn't not aware of movies.
So his knee slide with a fistin the air is really authentic.

(01:06:49):
And then what does he do here,boss?

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
And then he stands up and starts doing a side to side
dance, as white people arewatched to do.
But it is very clear that it'sa great move.
It is a great.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I will say from a white person Define great right.
Yeah, great Meaning it'saccessible to most of us.

Speaker 4 (01:07:11):
No, that's fine, that's that's.
That's what I knew, that waswell coach.
I hate to say it, but yes andit works in a lot of different
situations, whether you are at ahigh school dance or at a rave,
or stoned in your kitchen andputting chili lime cashews on

(01:07:31):
top of an ice cream which Icreated last night.
For example, I was going to sayat maybe just you know spitball
or you know, I've heard fromother people say those things,
but this is very clearly.
He is not being an assholeanymore.
He is not preventing Dow fromenjoying herself by refusing to

(01:07:54):
engage.
He is not saying you go, dowhat you want to do and I'm
leaving.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
This is effort.
This is effort.
He is efforting.
This is coming into the boat.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
And I.
This is another one of thosewords that become verbs that I
love so much.
He is efforting, and I'm goingto be using that as a verb.
Putting in the effort means tobe a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Yeah, he really talked about that.
That's the biggest predictor ofsuccess.
Remember, is effort and studentputs into their work, not the
grades that they get Coach goahead.

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Well, I was going to say on the reverse shot because
we had the react, we saw what itlooked like on Wayne side to
see the touch of the arm.
We go back from the slide andthe fist in the air and two step
to the two shot of Dell and ourawkward jock.
And Dell's got the beginningsof a smile and the awkward jock

(01:08:46):
looks horrified at the dance, atthe display itself, and I think
that's really great because,like for real, in real life,
like most of us would be, likewhat the fuck is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
What the?

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
fuck are you doing?
What is he doing?
And I love that we actuallyvisually since we were talking
about the camera work wevisually remove awkward jock
from the picture.
We actually literally get himout of there and it's just Dell
watching.
Wayne.

(01:09:24):
Quote, unquote dance.

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Yeah, that's cruel.
Quotes are cruel.
You know, coach, rhythm is notsomething that is universally
distributed.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
As you may have all guessed, coach and I have joked
in this area.
In this area before, we oncehad to do a group dance together
, and he was.
He was very pleased that Icould could just pick up the
count wherever and make sureeverybody was going where they
needed to go and said groupdance, but they, but they go.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
It was a friend's, it was a friend's wedding and it
was, what was it?
The chicken dance, what was it?

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
No, no, no, no, no, it was the, it was the cha cha
slide Maybe.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Yeah, yeah, right, that's what it was.
Yeah, yeah, which is what wewent to.
We were in Memphis, yes, right,and we read that club in
Memphis.
Yeah, and that song came on.
So that song is like torturefor me.
I'm like, oh my God, I feellike get into a freaking line
dance.
I feel like this is like put mein the back.

(01:10:32):
This is hell.
And you know, of course, coach,you can imagine coach, coach
can move.
You know, we've heard him sing.
He dances every bit as well ashe sings, and I remember it
being in this club.
I don't know if it was you Ipointed it out to, but there was
this older black man in thisclub.
It's funny because we went tosort of a black club and went to

(01:10:53):
sort of a white club.
You remember that they?
Were next to that I do remember.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
And the white club was.
You know, it makes it justmakes me sound like a race
trader, because I go.
The black club was so fuckingawesome, it was so great, and
the white club was so boring.
And I don't mean that.
I'm sorry, that was the case.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
What happened at night?
Is this the reality of whathappened that night?

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
It was so much fun.
In like the quote, it wasn't ablack club, but it was
predominantly black attendeesand people there, and I remember
this.
That cha cha slide or whateverit was came on and this one dude
he was black guy, he had to be60.
I saw his face light up and Isat there and a few drinks in me

(01:11:36):
, so I was prone to just smileand stare.
And he was the happiest man onthe planet.
I may have grabbed you andpulled you over to watch this
guy, that makes sense.
Because he was so excited whenthis song came on.
He's like it's my jam, yeah,this is his jam, and his body
would, and it would just flowwith this song.

(01:11:59):
And I was like isn't this funnythat you know, I talk about,
you know, one man's trousers andanother man's treasure.
When I hear the song, my skingoes cold and I go, oh fuck, oh
no, oh no, oh God.
And this guy heard it and itwas my God.
It was a, it was a thing ofbeauty to watch him.
He danced every set you knowwhat I mean Like, and he was not

(01:12:21):
dancing with anybody, he wasoff like on the corner of the
dance floor by himself and hehad this whole thing he did.
And I was like this is, it waslike pure joy, it was like
watching pure joy.
And meanwhile, wayne's dance ismuch more akin to a Napoleon
dynamite, like holy fuck, Idon't know what this is, but
he's feeling it and so I'll feelit with him in that way.

(01:12:44):
Yes, boss, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:12:46):
I just am having such an issue getting past the fact
that you thought maybe coachBishop needed to teach you the
chicken dance.
I haven't stopped thinkingabout it for like the four
minutes since you said it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:58):
You know I should.
I know chicken dance.
I just remember it was like thename.
That's the chicken dance, right, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
All of a sudden wondering if you need to be.
Do you listen to theinstructions to the hokey pokey?
Is that a thing that you alsoneed to do Like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
do you know any of them?
Oh boss, no, no, you're mockingme as if it's not, as if, like,
I can't get to where you wantme to be on this.
I really wish I could, but like, the Macarena is like chemistry
, I don't understand what you'refucking talking.
Like, I cannot do it.
I wish I could.
My brain does not function inthat particular way.

(01:13:38):
Yeah, no, no, seriously, it's,it's, it's, it's, yeah, it's the
real.
You know what I mean?
I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:46):
Because like I'm old, I'm I mean not super old, but
like definitely older than whenI did dance and I am a white
person.
But like when back that ass upcomes on, you go out and you bag
your ass up and I so you're,you're a different flavor of
light.
Yeah, interesting, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Back in my ass.
Up is off the fucking dancefloor.
I'll tell you that?

Speaker 3 (01:14:11):
That's not.

Speaker 2 (01:14:11):
There's.
No, I mean, it would be a dreamof mine.
Sometimes I say, you know, oh,they say oh well, if you could
wish for something which I waslike, oh, if I could sing and
dance for one minute, like andunderstand what it felt like to
be on pitch and on key and andhave my hips move the way I see
people's hips move and have myshoulders.

(01:14:32):
When I went to Vanuatu a longtime ago, there was like school
dance that I attended.
My sister was teaching, she wasin the Peace Corps, she was
teaching science in Vanuatu andI remember when the school dance
and this, this student that Iabsolutely love, he was probably
16 at the time.
He was the greatest kid in theworld, he was a tall black kid

(01:14:54):
and he all he would do you can'tsee it because we're on the
video he has his shoulders kindof up and his elbows kind of out
.
His fists were in tight.
This is all he did was swaywith it.
He didn't do anything and itwas amazing and I'm like, how is
that a dance?
How does that work?
You know, I would try toapproximate it and I was like,
no, my, I can't.

(01:15:15):
This fucking stump that I wasgiven does not do that.
You know.
So listen, it is something Iadmire.
It's something you know, when II've shown, coach and boss
different clips of dancers thatI loved, you know like they've
seen me admire dance and I love.

(01:15:37):
You know the ballet and I loveyou know every form of the human
body doing movement signed meup for, you know, not the least
of which is athletics, andyou've heard me wax poetic about
oily hips a million times andgetting skinny through the hole
and and I love it, I loveeverything that the human body

(01:15:57):
can do.
I just I tend not to be able toapproximate it myself, but Wayne
, on the dance floor, it'sawkward.
It's not the greatest dancingyou'll ever see, but commitment
is a big thrill, like someonethat just commits.
You know it's like why thatNapoleon Dynamite scene worked.

(01:16:19):
It's why when you say man, this, if you're all in, you're all
in.
And he is all in for Dell inthis scene, to the point where
it's so crazy, you know he getsidentified.
What the fuck is that?
And I think it's Jen says, oh,that's fucking Wayne.
And then everybody backs up andstarts chanting Wayne, you know

(01:16:41):
, similarly to you know, it'slike what we would say for
Wanker from Ted Lasso, it's thatlevel of everyone in the joint
is watching this one.
Do and keep going here, coach.

Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
So they're chanting Wayne, he does, he does like
floss, but it's horrible.
Then there's like kind of aFrankenstein ish move, and then
we return to the jumping.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
You can't even you can't even, you don't even have
words for it.
It's only ish, because it's.
It's a Jason, you know, it'snot a it's not just Frankenstein
.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
And then he starts jumping around, which reminded
me of the first time.

Speaker 5 (01:17:27):
She went out to his room and he jumped around like a
lunatic.

Speaker 3 (01:17:30):
So he's just like whatever he's like, this is it,
this is, this is all he's got.
He does a spin to end it, whichis amazing Falls back to his
knees and says do you want todance with me?
And she says I don't know howsweaty are your hands.
Very, very, just, very cool.
You know, it feels like OliviaNewton John should have said

(01:17:52):
that at some point to JohnTravolta, or something Like just
like perfect.
And then he takes her hand andthey start to dance and they and
everyone starts dancing aroundthem and Dell joins him for a
second, jumping like a lunatic,which is just amazing, the whole
thing.
He's so.
He so gives himself over that.

(01:18:15):
It's almost.
It's not almost.
I think this scene works becausethe dancing is so awkward, like
if he knew how to dance and hecame in doing the latest moves,
then okay, great, like thanksfor coming to the party.
But the fact that he's like Iwill just lay it all out here
for all to see if it means I getto be next to you, that's that.

(01:18:41):
That is a definition of love wejust watched unfold.
It's pretty, that's prettysweet stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
We talk about characters, sort of learning the
ropes.
We did a lot of this on TedLasso, we we?
One of the reasons I choseWayne as a show we were going to
watch is because thesetransformational choices are so
clear in Wayne.
When Dell says, hey, listen, ittook you an hour to get me

(01:19:11):
tampons, and and he and he washung up.
Whatever, he makes up for thatby being being there for her.
Again, like whenever there's anissue, he knows he's being a
wiener, he knows that he's beinga killjoy.
When she's clearly, you know,having fun with Trish and Jen.
And there's this, he does theMopi thing.
First, mopi, choice, right,fine, it seemed like you want to

(01:19:35):
have fun without me in it,right, which is just not
attractive at all as a choice,right, and.
And then he, he justrecalibrates.
He takes Saddam somehow to bethe.
You know we talk about thehero's journey and and and.

(01:19:56):
Somehow he needed that guidancefrom a mentor or test.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
You know, I'm glad you just brought that up, by the
way, because for me, for me, Ithink, generally, but I
certainly appreciate it whenpeople take the element of the
story that need to be there andthey give it to us in a way that
we go oh, I didn't see itcoming to us that way and in a

(01:20:21):
way we get wise old mentor, butonce removed.
So the wise old mentor isactually the guy at the table
because he's the one whoexplains yeah, I don't give a
shit if I don't like the youknow if I, if I don't, if I like
mushrooms, like who gives ashot right, and that that
message is relayed to, gets toWayne and it gets Wayne

(01:20:45):
eventually to slide across thefloor and do his dance.
But it comes, it's like a, acarrom, you know what I mean.
It's like it's off of thisclown behind the counter.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
It filtered through some ass hat to get there which?
Is the Sean Simmons effect herein the show.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:03):
You see the right, it's not the direct line Obi-Wan
Kenobi, it's as if it goesthrough some absolute wing nut
in order to get to him, andthat's that's the effect that we
like.
That's the effect of this show,and it's also the thing that we
call that last episode, whichis there's no small characters.
Everybody is memorable,everybody's interesting,

(01:21:24):
everybody has a unique story,all to themselves, that exists
independently of Wayne and Dellpassing through it.
It's, it is the fundamentalcornerstone of world building,
and they do a tremendous job ofit.
Go ahead, coach.
I've been going boss.

Speaker 4 (01:21:42):
Like, well, before we move on from Wayne deciding to
go to the dance and alsodeciding to enjoy himself in the
dance, that is part of thebreak between masculinity and
toxic masculinity that we'vebeen talking about.
You actually need to do thosethings in order to break the
toxic masculinity.

(01:22:02):
I was talking to a body of minea couple of weeks ago about a
couple of we know who's gettingdivorced, and I'm a little bit
closer with the wife.
So he was saying, like you knowwhat happened?
Like how did that?
What was the breakdown?
And I said he made her problems, her problems, their problems,
her problems and his problems,their problems.

(01:22:24):
And he shifted everything overso that she was doing more of
the mental work and more of themental load and when they had
issues he was responding atleast, and I said he loves her.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
Like it's not a question of her, of him loving
her.

Speaker 4 (01:22:38):
It is a question of him being willing to be kind
instead of being right.
Like half the time all heneeded to say was I'm going to
do that, I'm going to take careof that, I'm going to fucking
fix that, and then it would havebeen fine.
Instead, he thought with herabout how to fix it and that
ruined their marriage.
So this is the shit, like.
I think that the whole happywife, happy life is reductive

(01:23:00):
and from another time andpartners should be good to each
other.
But there is such an onus onmen to be in control of things
and in order to have things donein the way that they like that
they don't realize that they'reruining shit for everybody
around them.
Like, just fucking be nice,just go to the fucking dance and
dance with your girlfriend Ifyou wanted to like you fucking
show up and do the shit shewants you to, and that's just

(01:23:23):
about being a decent human beingto the people around you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:29):
Just at me, next to it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Okay, yeah yeah, that felt like an attack on coach
you could have saved this with aprivate text.
Yeah, boss, I would say yes, forsure.
And the reason that men don'tdo that is because of, like an
oppressive, you know, set of setof rules that society poses on

(01:23:53):
them.
Where they cannot do, first ofall, can't capitulate, because
they're a big, tough man, can'tprioritize somebody else's basic
desires over their own and Godforbid, their frenzied.
So it's this whole awful,self-perpetuating dynamic and we

(01:24:15):
talk about that, you know,hegemonic patriarchy and the
system that it continues towhere it continues to churn
through people.
But you're very right, and youpointed out right at the
beginning of this episode itdoesn't just hurt women by
hurting men, it eventually hurtswomen also.
So it is a, it's brutal.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Coach, go ahead.
Yeah, just, you know I crackjokes because you know I'm
broken inside.
But but to boss's real pointthere, I think to.
It's easy.
I think as many as so muchinvestment in winning, like this

(01:25:00):
generally, like the importanceof winning, like somebody
pointed out to me once thatthere are games, there are
actually games that nobody wins.
When you play catch, you don'twin a catch, you play catch and
both people get to throw andboth people get to catch and you
just play.
And how often, even for myself,I just go to competing and

(01:25:26):
sometimes the competition ishealthy but sometimes not so
healthy, like we could just bothsit here and do something and
not figure out which one of usis better at it.
And I bring it up because I dothink one of what a piece of
advice I gave my cousin when hewas getting married was you do
not care what color the kitchenis.

(01:25:46):
This is a direct lesson from mymarriage.
You think you care because anissue has come up and you've
formed an opinion and you wantto win.
But I told them all is going tohappen if you quote unquote win
is you're going to piss offyour wife and you're going to
paint the kitchen twice.
Just you don't like try to win,like you're not.

(01:26:10):
There's no winning here.
Like, whatever color she saysto you or what and that's
obviously the kitchen thing, isthe specific thing I care about
my marriage, but like, whateverthat thing is like, don't be so
invested in winning.
It's a trap, it's.
It's a fucking trap.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Thanks for thanks for the only advice you give me
about putting women in thekitchen.

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
Katie Britt, I felt it, I felt it, I was like oh I
got one piece of advice.

Speaker 2 (01:26:40):
It's right.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
That's her room.
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
I said it.

Speaker 3 (01:26:48):
I was like oh, no, no no, this is very specific.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
Everybody.
No, no, listen, that's right,it's great advice, listen.
We just still the essence ofthat.
We say care about the thingsthat are worth caring about.
And it is not a zero.
So you can both win.
Yes, and you can have a greatpartnership.
And I we have said I got howmany times in this episode on
this podcast over the years andwe talked about the importance

(01:27:12):
of liking your spouse or yourpartner or your unmarried
girlfriend or boyfriend orwhatever, in addition to the
love you just the like that youdon't want.
Why would you want to beat them?
You know like what you shouldwant them to get, what they want
also, and if you can do it too,that's, you know worse than

(01:27:32):
better.
Boss, were you going to saysomething?

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
Oh, only that.
If I had known I could come outof the kitchen, I would have
done that a long time ago.
I've just been recording frombehind the refrigerator.
It's an entire time.
If you, if you guys, don't wantme there, just tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:49):
That's amazing, that's just great.
Well, put the apron down andcome on out of there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
I just want to.
If you were behind the fridge,I would just want to, chris
Farley, run into it as hard as Ican.
Yeah, that makes a lot of senseand bounce off of it and have
you meet, fall in one way andyou fall the other way and coach
me like guys again, jesusChrist.

Speaker 4 (01:28:12):
Also, I find myself unable to wear aprons, so I know
that that was a joke, but Iwatched my mother again who I
don't want to slam Olivercooking.
It's just that there was neveranything where I was like, oh
right, yeah, no, that one thingnever happened.
What I definitely remember isthat she didn't like paper

(01:28:33):
towels because, again, she was ahippie and trying to save the
earth, but also never seemed tohave a hand towel on hand, so
she would just wipe her hands onthe top of her shirt and
because of her bust there wasalways like a wet part and then
a dry part and then a wet partlower down on her stomach, and
she was just like, like justwiping her hands on any part of

(01:28:58):
the shirt she could get to.
And so now I do own like fourdozen hand towels to make sure
that I don't do that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
Oh my God, that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:29:08):
I don't know how you get to the joke with somewhere
there's a joke of someone wholikes breasts coming upon a
shirt with that pattern on itand going, oh, I need to meet
her.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Yes, yeah, like there's, it's just like
everywhere, like all.
It was so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:29:27):
Okay.
So now we get to the scenewhere it's.
It's butthole.
Tommy Cole's time to speak andI considered the best way to do
this and I'm going to.
I'm going to break fromtradition, and if they send me a
cease and desist order, so beit.
But I just want to play thespeech so everyone in the
listening audience can hear it,because we can't do it justice

(01:29:51):
by by explaining what he says.
The best thing we can do isplay it, so everybody listen and
enjoy.

Speaker 5 (01:30:05):
Hey, how you doing.
I'm.
I'm Tom Cole from Hagler, highBrockton, massachusetts, named
after you know, marvelous MarvinHagler, the boxer 1980s.
No, no, but I was preparing forthe speech.

(01:30:28):
Someone told me to dig deep andspeak from the heart, so I did
some digging.
You know it's in there.
Hate, lots and lots of hate.
Hate for the kids, my school,my job, but mostly hate for

(01:30:52):
myself.
And why are you here?
Gentlemen wearing slacks withsandals would like to know why
I'm here.
And obviously it's because I'mtrying to get a grant for some
electronics that'll end up beingbroken, stolen or shit on.
Now, that's true story.
Fyi, last time we got tabled,somebody took an actual shit on
one.
Yeah, so now we need newtablets.

(01:31:14):
But you know where that shitcomes from your ass?
No, it comes from us.
It comes from the top and thenthat shit trickles down.
Hell, I can't even.
I can't even look most of thekids in the eye because if I do,
their snotty, pierced facesjust remind me that I'm failing

(01:31:39):
them.
You know, maybe some of youhave given up to, we know that
sandals with slacks clearly hasOkay.
I mean Jesus, I mean, that's abad Jesus, by the way, we know
this guy has Okay, because hestole that same speech that I
was going to do.
He stole it from the Internet,sorry.

(01:32:01):
So all I'm saying is we got towork harder.
You know, maybe we got tochange first before we ask them
to.
So buy him some fucking iPads,thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:29):
So good, so good.
So, first of all, that he's inthis room, where no one knows
nor cares to know who MarvinHagler is.
Like just start this off of likeokay, this, no, we are not a
connected.
You would be, and, and but forme, like he said before, the

(01:32:56):
hate he feels and I do thinkthis like I lived a part of my
life very much in fear that Iwould end up this person.
I remember I used to do a jokeabout walking around the mall
and seeing men wanderingaimlessly with a person their
hand and just, and I used tocall it the hall of broken men.
I had a whole bit about, but itreally was scary to me that you

(01:33:19):
live your life and then youtake some job is all right, fine
, they'll pay me to show upevery day, I'll do that whatever
and then at some point you justare lifeless, like you're just
a shovel walking around and it'sso.
I mean recharging hope withleadership is on a banner behind
them and it's not called taught, it's like yes, yes, this is so

(01:33:43):
pathetic.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
It's all just just like Joe versus the volcano
fluorescent lighting.
It's like, yeah, I mean brutal,oh my God.

Speaker 3 (01:33:53):
And so, yeah, I just like it's beautiful along the
way.
And then the little aside jokeswhich like, oh, that's there,
but it captures a lot too.
And the soft food sandals isclearly given out like that's,
that's funny, it's just soperfectly done and capture so
much.
And then it is an odd versionof hope that this guy keeps

(01:34:15):
showing up and, frankly, that hehas taken time out of his life
to go track way down, like atthe end of the day, as much as
we may be like, whatever thisguy is done, he's not quite done
.
He's like he's held on to thesliver of hope that allows him
to love his dog and have thatbanana that he was going to eat.
You know we could have had himwith like some fucking flaming

(01:34:39):
hot Cheetos, but no, he's got abanana.
He's.
He's like a sliver of hope leftin this guy that allows him to
stand up there and express it,but in this very specific funny
way, so that he could gettablets that some kids going to
take a shit on.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
Yeah, while while he's getting chirped.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
Right, oh yeah, while he's getting hackled the middle
of a speech about hope.
And I need to know, is this guyheckling other people who
didn't do well, or is it onlythe the level of hate that Tommy
Cole is bringing that he'sresponding to?
I do need to mention, as thetoken, millennial on this
podcast and I am like the upperupper levels of the

(01:35:20):
millennialism I am.
They have the cut off and I'mlike two days after that.
But there is a big differencein how millennials see something
you'll see selling out versushow Gen X does Like I know that
you weren't talking aboutselling out expensive Orlando,
but millennials don't have thiscity.
Slickers like well, I have myjob and I have my apartment in

(01:35:43):
my beautiful life, but somehowmy life is still empty and I
don't know what to do with it.
We do not fuck around with thatshit.
That is not.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
We don't have that.
That's a big distinctionbetween the generations.
Yeah, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:35:55):
Like our fucking high school.
Our biggest memories is goddamnColumbine, and then in college
it was fucking 9 11.
And then we got out of collegeand they were like we just broke
the entire world economy andnobody can have a house anymore.
So we don't fuck around withany of this, like I wonder if
I'm going to be happy with therest of my life like no man.

(01:36:16):
You fucking, you get happy inany way you can.
They fucking stay like that.
It's hard out there.

Speaker 2 (01:36:22):
There was, there was an article years and years ago
where I first became aware of it.
No, no, it was like.
It was like a millennialwriting it going I can't fucking
wait to sell out, I will sellout if I get the chance.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
I will sell out yesterday.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
It's like when you say I have so much quit me, you
know.
Yes, it's that kind of vibe.
Please, god, let me sell out.
Let me have the opportunity tosell out interesting.
If it ever comes my way, signme up.
I will be the first on the listto sell out.

Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Yeah, who needs a kidney?
I can't fucking retire Like,what do you want from me?
I will give you all of the shit.
So, yes, that's always.
That is a funny thing for melooking back at some of those
movies now.
Hey, well, listen.

Speaker 3 (01:37:06):
No, really Seriously, that's an insight.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
I think also, though, like knowing what Generation X
went through, in terms of youguys basically watched your
parents live the American dream,and then you were like well,
wait, hold on, but things arenot great still.
Like every generation has itsown disillusionment.
It's just that you took theform of.
We are not going to besatisfied with this sort of

(01:37:30):
suburban and I that's not toknock suburbia, but like this,
we are not going to just livethe lives that people insist
that we do and millennials willlike we'll fucking do whatever
we need to survive this shit weare.
I'm going to make it throughthis year if it kills me is been
the millennials song for aslong as we have been around, so

(01:37:50):
I like that difference betweenus.
I also like that Tommy Colestill cares enough that he hates
those shitty students, and Iunderstand that's not how you
should be framing this.
You shouldn't be like man,these fucking assholes.
I fucking hate him, but atleast he cares, at least he's
looking him into the eye andsaying you guys do shit.
That pisses me off, because theopposite of hate love isn't

(01:38:14):
hate.
The opposite of love is apathy,and that means whatever passion
he did have is showing up instill being proud of his school
and the name and the namesakeand wanting to do this and
wanting to give a good speech,and then being pissed off when
he realized that everybody elseis skating through the same way
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
I love that boss, yeah Good coach.

Speaker 3 (01:38:36):
No, I yeah, I pretty much was just going to say I
love that too.
It's.
It's funny that you frame thegenerationally, because some of
what you're pointing to is hoperight like this.
There was part of me when I sawthose men that said we don't
have to live that way, we canlive a better way.

(01:38:57):
And what you're saying, what Ihear you saying to me in a way,
is I was never under theimpression that we could live a
better way like I just wanted tonot be in a building that
somebody crashed a plate intothat's I'm.
I'm all set.
If you could just please notcrash a plane.

(01:39:18):
I'm in into a building, orplane into a building.
I'm in, I'm good.
And I think like, yeah, I getit like Columbine, didn't.
I was an adult.
I was an adult for Columbine,until my experience of Columbine
is necessarily different.
Yeah, as horrifying as I mightfind it, I was not in.
I didn't have to go to school.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
The next day, even though you had that same jacket.

Speaker 4 (01:39:41):
Yes, obviously that's definitely a chart.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
What wasn't it like a long leather jacket coach,
wasn't that?

Speaker 3 (01:39:47):
yeah, yeah yeah, that's right.
My, my, my, it was a leatherlike a duster was it like a
duster it was.
It was dust all the, it was all.
It was like a old school cowboycalf it was.
It was long with.

Speaker 4 (01:40:00):
Dennis Reynolds want to take it from you, if possible
.

Speaker 3 (01:40:04):
Yeah.
That kind of duster right, it'salways sunny, they, they've got
so sunny right yeah, I was likewait, I got the wrong name, but
yeah yeah, yeah but yeah, no, Iyeah, it was Long shaft ish, it
was ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:40:18):
If I can put, put this, this speech by Tommy Cole,
in Ted lasso terms.
They do a lot of clever thingshere in Ted lasso.
When we first met Ted and hehas first press conference, he
couldn't even drink water.
He was such an idiot and whatthey did was that lot, of, lot

(01:40:39):
of audience shots, a lot ofpress shots.
If you remember in Ted lasso,see how did the press react.
Is this a fucking joke, right?
So we have a similar like amechanism here where we got a
guy chirping at him but SeanSimmons and the production crew
here they very cleverly useOrlando as sort of a tip off to

(01:41:00):
how we're supposed to feel.
So when no one knows howthey're high, he, like Orlando,
looks like he said pain, like,oh my god, this is, this is off
to a brutal start right righthe's like dying in the back
right.
And then he says someone told me, speak from the heart, orlando
with his little chest bump.
And then you know, by the endOrlando has fully come around

(01:41:24):
and is proud of him, which givesus the ability.
If we were on the fence, Idon't think we work is so well
done, but if we happen to be onthe fence as an audience, we can
also be proud of him.
What I muted us while we'relistening to Tommy Cole, but you
did not hear the three or fourtimes that all of us were

(01:41:45):
laughing silently as we watchthis because like actual, you
know actual shit on one.
Because it is you're like, wow,this is you know you.
Okay, this is what they'redealing with.
That when he says they'resnotty, pierced faces and and

(01:42:06):
whether or not you're aneducator, you go.
I know that.
I know exactly what those kids.
I know that vibe.
I know how pissed off they are.
I know how they detest us forfor this.
I remember my son coming to mewhen he was in high school.
He's like you know, the food atthe school is inedible and he
would take pictures of it everyday and show me.

(01:42:27):
And it was like you know it waslike like cardboard with with
oil.
If you could like, just heat upsome cardboard and mix a little
oil on it.
Like whatever they were eatingwas was repellent.
And you know the school that hewas attending it didn't have
their own kitchen so they had toship it in and heat it up and,
like it was, it was off.

(01:42:48):
You know it was just off.
And he's like, but how did youlet this happen?
Like, how did you not stand upfor it?
And it's so funny to see thattransition because he was one of
those snotty it didn't appearspaces, but he was one of those
snotty kids going.
I don't understand how you letit get this way and with, in the
United States at least, wherewe cannot seem to uncouple

(01:43:10):
ourselves from the, the babyboomer generation, still the
highest position in the landwill be somebody very elderly.
You go, wow, like we're stillnot in these roles where we can
affect change on a on a nationalor global level.

(01:43:31):
And and it you know thepervasiveness of the snotty kids
is understandable, because whatare, what are we doing to
affect change?
And what can Tommy Cole doinside with his purview at his
school?
Go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
No, I was just going to say I hadn't thought about
these terms.
But as you position that andthinking about what boss was
saying about X and millennials,if you're Gen Z which my kids
are you you might you've gotalso on top of everything else
feel buried.
Like when we were growing up wefigured, alright, this group is

(01:44:10):
dying because that's whatpeople do after a certain number
of years and this group isabove us, but then they'll be in
the old group and they'llretire and then we'll be in
charge for a couple of decades.
And then we are trying to getthe fuck out of here.
And what happened was theynever got the fuck out of here.
So then we got stuck at a level.
But that meant then themillennials are kind of a little

(01:44:30):
bit stuck, which means Denzi islike in the sub basement, going
let us up like and never mindalpha.
So if anything, I could see thethese later generations getting
progressively more pissedbecause there's no.
My contemporaries all thoughtif it plays out right, I might

(01:44:53):
end up CEO.
But I could see some of my GenZ being like if it plays out
right, I might get an officemaybe, but we're working from
home, kinda Like it's just, it'sjust.
Yeah, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
Like what do you aspire to?
No, no, gen Z is like.
If it all works out, we won'tbe fucking underwater.
Yeah, with like high, superheated, like in habitats like
that are you know?

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
But also I as the young person here I should speak
for Gen Z, obviously I do andsay that I feel like there are a
lot of people my age-ish andyounger my age, actually a lot
of my friends are doing fairlywell because we got out of
college enough years before theglobal housing crash that they

(01:45:43):
were.
Most of them were solid intheir careers.
I hadn't finished college.
My career is not quite whattheirs is, but this is all
beside the point.
I'm not gonna own a home, iswhat I'm saying.
I will never own a home, I'mjust not going to.
I'll have an apartment for therest of my life and that's fine.
And I think that there is achange for me and younger people

(01:46:04):
where we're like, oh, the twocar garage, the house on the
suburbs, that shit is not for us.
So I think there are probablyGen Z and younger kids that are
already figuring out ways aroundthat, that, not that they
wouldn't feel buried, but thatthey wouldn't feel the
obligation to make it to thesame levels as previous

(01:46:25):
generations, because it'scompletely out of our fucking
grasp.
You can't do it.
I still love the movie FightClub.
I think it's fucking phenomenal.
But I remember Tyler Dyrtontelling the group of men in the
basement that they told us wewould all be president one day.
And we're now waking up to thatfact and I always thought that

(01:46:48):
there must have been a group ofwomen and black people just
behind them that were like wait,they told you you could be
fucking president.
That was an option for you.
Ha ha ha.
You're pissed off because theytold you you could be the
president and now you can'tBecause they didn't tell us that
shit, because guess what, right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Somebody did a great set on that.
It was a chappelle Somebody didlike the worst thing they ever
happened to black men is thatObama got elected because now
your wife can be like yo look atwhat Shels was doing over there
.

Speaker 3 (01:47:15):
Are you really not remembering who did this?
Or are you being funny?

Speaker 4 (01:47:19):
Was it you?
Is it you?

Speaker 3 (01:47:21):
Yeah, it's my bit.
Yay, I was like is he bustingmy balls or what Shut up?
That was you.

Speaker 4 (01:47:29):
Yeah, I thought it was Shels.

Speaker 3 (01:47:32):
Well, well, well Dileterious, Because I named the
guy Dileterious becauseDileterious is bad, and I was
like it's just funny to me thatit sounds like some black some
stereotypically black man yeah,so well, well well Dileterious
Michelle's man got a job.
It was a whole.
That's so funny.
That's how you remember it.

Speaker 2 (01:47:51):
Yes, I love it.
See, I remember it, though itwas such a great set, but that's
, yeah, that's the.
There were promises made and Iremember thinking, yeah, I never
got to any of them, like neverhad a single one of the.
You know corner office,anything vocational, not even,

(01:48:15):
like you know.
It was just never on the tablefor me and my peers and my
contemporaries, my friends thatare in those you know partner
tracks at law firms and thingslike that.
They're still not.
You know, they're in their 50sand they're still not where the
Boomer maybe Boomer generationgot in their early 30s and then

(01:48:36):
held on and it's still holdingon.
We'll not give up those things.
Listen, it's nothing againstthe Boomers, it's just numbers
and it's a fact of what peopleneed to contend with.
So, yes, rightly, you make apoint about Gen Z having to wait
in the turnstile behind twogenerations that are both pissed

(01:49:00):
off, but something tells methey're gonna find a way to
leapfrog it or circumvent itanyway.
They seem a lot more cleverthan, or a lot less likely to
swallow the bullshit than,people anyway.
So, yeah, we had this greatscene.
Tommy Cole, really, you knowit's this.

(01:49:23):
It's funny that he outs the guyby the way, the other guy like
he stole, sorry, you know and hesaid his take is that we have
to work harder.
And they do a shot of a womanin the audience who kind of
smile and was like yeah, we do,and we got to do this before we

(01:49:46):
asked them to.
He's met with a lot of smilesfrom people who seem to agree
with him.
Right, buy him some fuckingiPads and a single of Orlando.
Really proud, really likelaughing, like yep, I can't
believe he fucking pulled thisoff.

(01:50:06):
But this is great.
He says thank you and he walksoff.
It's just a great.
It's an iconic Wayne scene andit says a tremendous amount
about the show that ancillarycharacters can have
quintessentially formative Waynemoments.

(01:50:26):
You know, like you're like,okay, this is a show called
Wayne, about Wayne, but likethat's every bit as important to
this show and what it's tryingto say as anything Wayne ever
does.
It's really remarkable.
So, boss, walk us through whathappens here.
Wayne and Dell come stormingout of the dance music still

(01:50:50):
playing and they're having agreat time.

Speaker 4 (01:50:53):
Yes, and you know they're talking back forth.
She says I thought you saidwearing that stuff is dumb.
What's dumb about it?
I guess I did want to go, forreal is the thing that Dell said
, which it.
I really hope that the wholelike being too cool for school
thing is over and that if youwant to do something, you should
, and that if you want to beexcited about something, you

(01:51:15):
should.
And I understand, like probablypeople who know me and person
are like really you think that,but I am, I'm going out for that
.
I'm saying yes, it's good to beexcited, it's fun to be excited
, but they're sort of touchingbase after their fight earlier,
if you want to call it that, orat least the disagreement where
they're talking through why shewanted to come, why she wanted

(01:51:38):
to be involved, why he didn'twant to be.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Right.

Speaker 4 (01:51:42):
And she specifically says like who even are we now?
Cause we're not a couple, butwe are doing this thing together
and we're sort of a guy.
I don't have a boyfriend, but Ihave a Wayne.

Speaker 2 (01:51:54):
Yeah, and what are we going to do after we find that
car?
I?

Speaker 3 (01:51:58):
loved that.
I love that question becauseit's a level of awareness for
the character in place that madesense to me, but also in terms
of the storytelling we can get.
So it's so easy to think ofstories as contained and they

(01:52:19):
just accept.
You know, when they livedhappily ever after is like a
legitimate thing to say, butthat's not how anything works,
and so there was something coolabout her going like before I
decide how I'm going to feelabout this moment or subsequent
moments, I need a little bit ofclarity, I don't know.
I appreciated the realness ofit and the maturity of it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:42):
And his choice to come into the boat we always
talk about.
Whenever I say that term, it'sbecause I went to this thing
years ago about negotiation andit was like imagine two people
standing in a row boat and thefurther you lean out, the
further it forces the otherperson to lean out the other way
to compensate for the balanceof the boat.
But if you lean in, they haveto lean in.

(01:53:03):
So that was an analogy that theperson who of course, used and
I think about it all the timeand by leaning in and committing
he made himself approachablewith a bigger conversation, like
it's not an accident that shehits him with this stuff right
now, because it's like OK, we'rehere, we haven't really talked

(01:53:24):
about this.
Like what's our long game?
Are we ever even going to goback to school?
Are we dropouts?
Now?
That's like I say it a milliontimes, we've all said it it
shows called Wayne, but it couldeasily be called Dell.
She is just Sierra Bravo playingthis role.

(01:53:47):
She is so good, it is so good,it is so good.
I love how she delivers theselines, I love how he hears them,
I love their body language, Ilove this hesitancy, but she
really wants to get themre-centered and in sync.
It's all great, she says Iguess.

(01:54:10):
I don't know, I thought maybeI'd never really have a chance
to do this, which is sad, and itharkens back to a lot of the
stuff we're talking about, wherepeople feel like maybe their
future has been stolen from themby powers that they have
nothing to do with.
Go ahead, boss.

Speaker 4 (01:54:28):
Well, I was only going to say this is also a good
representation of how teenagersactually do think that we have
this idea that because they'reyoung and they don't have a lot
of experience, they're neverconscious of the fact that
things are not going to be thesame as they always are
Sometimes, and that's justbecause of the human condition
and everybody thinks that.

(01:54:48):
But I think Dell probably didhave plans before her mom died.
Obviously she wanted to run forstudent president, she wanted
to be involved in things, shewanted to do the blood drive
Like she had goals.
So I don't know if it's thatshe never thought she would have
a chance to do this or if shethought that her future would be

(01:55:09):
in Brockton and slightlydifferent.
So I like that they areacknowledging that she had
thoughts about her future, evenif they were weak in some ways,
and that she knows that this isa temporary situation, but she's
anticipating the end of it,because even stupid, pure
hateful teenagers do understandthat things will change

(01:55:31):
eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:55:35):
Yeah, that's awfully generous of you.
Yeah, I mean a lot of people.
Just they really, they assumeremember the first time I fell
in love, somebody called itpuppy love and I remember going,
oh so it's stronger than this.
And then now, looking back, I'mlike that was pretty goddamn
strong, like it was not likechildish or you know what I mean

(01:55:57):
.
Like now it feels like, oh, youunnecessarily demeaned a very,
very powerful emotion I had.
Yes, and I like that Boss isnot choosing to do that.

Speaker 3 (01:56:09):
I want to jump in there because I have a whole
rant which I won't subject youto, but suffice it to say I
Bristol is a very mild way todescribe how I feel when people
do that.
First of all, everybody, if youlove, you love how you love A

(01:56:30):
three-year-old loving theirmommy.
It's not like, oh, you don'tknow what love is.
They absolutely do love, knowwhat love is.
They love their mommy, right,so like.
And the puppy love.
They goes in that category.
For me In Moe better blues veryspecific film reference.
But it was this moment whereBleak Gilliam, played by Denzel,

(01:56:50):
is talking about a moment wherehe felt like pure love and he
talks about his first kiss withthis girl and I forget how old
he was supposed to be, but itvery much reminded me of the
girl who, like the first time Ireally was like whoa, my heart.
Like whoa, like, oh my god Like, truly like disorienting, like.

(01:57:17):
All I can think about when I'mnot seeing you is when will I
see you again, even if that ison the bus in an hour.
Like I just want to like and ifanything and he describes it
this way in the movie and Iremember being in the theater
and reacting to this because Iwas like, yes, that was pure.

(01:57:39):
Like there was no.
Who's going to pay what bill?
There was no, oh you better nothurt me, there was no.
Where is this leading?
There was none of that, therewas.
The world is awesome wheneveryou are here and the world
fucking sucks whenever you arenot.

(01:58:00):
I mean, it is so pure and, yeah, I hate I just that puppy love
thing makes me absolutely nuts.
I now occasionally get Iwouldn't even call it.
They're not asking for adviceso much as just talking some
relationship stuff out, and Ithink part of it is I don't

(01:58:23):
bring that to the table, likewith my own kids, and I'm like
this is where you are right now,this is what you're dealing
with right now.
No, you're not dealing with youknow how are we going to pay
them more kids?
That's not where you are inlife and how's that?
More like real love thananything else.
Anyway, that drives me nuts.

Speaker 2 (01:58:46):
You should try not thinking about these things and
just do whatever your ancestorsdid.
It's better that way, just keepthe wheels of cruelty turned
coach.
So much easier.
Why put so much thought intosomething that's?
All Right right right, yeah, no, I love what you say about that
.
You know, Della's, you knowshe's just wondering where.

(01:59:09):
You know, I never thought I'dget a chance to do this and I
love we talk about things boyscan't say I'd like.
Things boys can't say for 500,please.
Alex Wayne says I got scared.
Yeah, that's right up at thetippy top, right, can't be
scared as a boy.

(01:59:30):
Right, how could you possibly?
He says he got scared seeing atschool with friends you know it
was something that shook him.
He looked happy, going to fancyhouses, you know, and it's
something that he felt like hecould see that this was a better

(01:59:51):
life for her.
I just don't want to take youaway from a life you might like,
is what he says, which islisten.
So he says a life you may likeor maybe want, I don't know.
This was not on the fucking menuwhen he stormed into her house,
said you wanted to go toFlorida, and she grabbed a
bikini.

(02:00:12):
Like, this emotional journeywas not something he was
prepared for.
She had any idea what happened.
You know she needed out and hewas her ticket out of there.
And you know we wisely, haveseen her put the brakes on the
quote unquote relationship partof it.
Let's figure out, let's get tobe friends first.

(02:00:33):
Let's figure out how we feel.
You know it's this reallypowerful sort of emotional
journey for both of them, butit's based in, you know, being
utterly untethered.
For the very first time ineither of their lives, they're
making their own rules, and solet's establish what some
guidelines are, because you know, I don't know, I don't even

(02:00:58):
know if we're.
Are we dropouts now?
Are we dropouts now?

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Yeah, I know that was what it hit me, that I was like
you know Dell's got a point.
This is chaos, like, and fearis to Dell.
This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
Well, Coach, we know it's a show, but they don't.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
Right, right, right, no, this is their lives.
Their lives have taken thiscrazy, yeah, this crazy turn.

Speaker 2 (02:01:20):
And it's important to point out that, with all the
things we, the maligned whitemen about the you know poor
decision or nervousness, or whatWayne Frames is being scared
was, was the origin of it wetalk about.

(02:01:40):
You know what is the root ofsomething?
It was.
The root of it was that he washolding her back.
It was not, like you know,maybe I would be stopping you
from having a life you mightwant or that would be better for
you and at least okay, great,that's, that's someone we can
live with.
You know, like, if, if, if yougo and you say, okay, what was

(02:02:01):
the?
You know, let's talk aboutintent.
His intent wasn't to harm.
His intent was, oh shit, Imight be preventing her from
having a better life.
The fuck do I know?
Like I'm the guy on a bike,like on some bizarro mission who
just burned up my dad and house, like I have, I can talk about

(02:02:22):
being untethered.
This guy has nothing in theworld and is he holding on to
her too tightly and doing her adisservice?

Speaker 3 (02:02:30):
So I had a quick question and, jack, and it's
actually for you, boss, so ifyou had a different point, feel
free to push this aside and makeyour point first.
But it strikes me as much as Iget what Wayne's saying and I
can probably think of times inmy life that I similarly felt

(02:02:51):
that I'm looking at thissituation and trying to sort out
, you know, what should be, whatshould happen from here.
Is is even that steeped insexism, because in a way he's
suggesting, even in his thinking.
The suggestion is Dell doesn'thave the agency to say I'm done

(02:03:13):
with this, I'm actually going touse this bus ticket Somehow.
It's my decision to make forher, which you know, yeah, so
I'm curious, yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:03:22):
Yes, and what I was going to say is yes, his
motivation, the fact that hedoesn't want to hold her back,
is good In terms of him notthinking well, I don't care what
she wants, I'm going to tellher what we're doing, like just
to compare those two side byside.
Yes, but this is the 98 degreesong that I hate so much, where

(02:03:45):
he talks about how the hardestthing I'll ever have to do is
look you in the eyes and tellyou I don't love you because he
needs to send her away, as ifshe is Harry from Harry and the
Henderson.
It's like, oh, I need to oldyell at this situation Because,
number one, I can't work onmyself to make myself good
enough to deserve you, and also,you can't decide that you are

(02:04:10):
going to accept me with my flaws.
I need to make sure that Iprotect you from what a dirtbag
I am.
I understand the motivation.
It's not that he is wrong, butwhat is better is that what he
did was say I'm going to show upat the dance, I'm going to
dance with you, I'm going to beexcited about it, I'm going to
try to get up on your level,meet you, meet you where you are

(02:04:33):
.
And then also I'm going toacknowledge that I was scared
about a relationship, so you'recompletely allowed to be
concerned about is this theright thing?
But then also, yes, acknowledgeyour agency and also work on
yourself.

Speaker 3 (02:04:48):
I just want to toss in that you made me think of a
magical video where 98 degreesis singing to Harry, and that'll
stay with you forever.
So, thank you, that'll staywith you forever.

Speaker 4 (02:05:02):
Man.
I have 98 degrees, Just likebad hit after bad hit, and bad
at that.
I mean they did.
It's not that the songs werebad, it's just somebody wrote a
song called Una Noche for RickyMartin and then he passed on it.
So fucking Nicolet Shea waslike let me at that, bitch, I'm

(02:05:24):
going to try that and I'm likeyou guys cannot sing Spanish.
That is not who you are as agroup.
This is not your forte, but Iwill rock out to it.
It's a good fucking song.

Speaker 2 (02:05:38):
So it's like, well, let's just go with it.
Yeah, yeah, Del is listening toWayne and she says it's hard
for her to get this out.
But she's like, basically Idon't want to stay.

(02:05:58):
But even if I did stay, she'slike no matter what I do.
That's adorable.
Even for someone with a heartmade of obsidian boss, that is
adorable.

Speaker 4 (02:06:16):
Yeah, no, it's cute, it's fucking cute, and also I
like that line of thinking somuch.
Whatever it is, I want to.
What I am picking is to do itwith you, and so maybe it won't
be perfect, but I am choosingyou rather than choosing not you
.

Speaker 2 (02:06:33):
It's like the story of this podcast boss.
She says I want to do it withyou and she says you fucking
idiot.

Speaker 4 (02:06:42):
Are you calling me a fucking idiot?
Hey, fuck you man.
I'm doing this effort as afavor to you.
Hey, fuck you man.

Speaker 2 (02:06:56):
The dulcet tones that everyone gets from this podcast
.
I just love it.
No, but listen, this is where Iwas going to say, this is where
vulnerability I don't know howit is elsewhere, but I know it's
informed by the region thatboth of these people are from,
and so that's where you get thewhatever at the end of it.
The whatever is kids.

(02:07:18):
These days, their version isputting an LOL at the end of
anything that is risky.
Oh, that was really funny, andso it's like just it's their
safety mechanism.
She channels a little bit ofher dad and says you fucking
idiot at the very end.
You know it's your onlyemotional role model and so.

(02:07:42):
But he smiles because heunderstands the language, and so
where we might say right, youknow we might say oh geez, get a
call, someone fucking like wow,you really subverted it by, you
know, being verbally abusiveafterwards, but in this way it
is a term of endearment.

(02:08:03):
And she grabs his chin andforces him to look at her, which
I'm like, oh man, it might bemy favorite part of this episode
.
That isn't the speech you know,I just really love.
Like you know, he's justlooking down.
He can't make it's hard.
That connection is tough.

(02:08:23):
Go ahead, coach.

Speaker 3 (02:08:25):
They both do it, though, up to this point in the
scene, and one of the reasons Ilove this choice is I noticed it
and I thought, oh, like that'ssweet, like this is so
vulnerable that they're kind oflike looking past each other and
looking at the ground, and theynaturally were walking out
together, but they were both notlooking over at the other as

(02:08:47):
they talk, and so I did thinkthat it was a way of stepping up
the vulnerability and sort ofupgrading the relationship for
her to say, no, we're not goingto stare at the ground anymore,
we're really going to look ateach other.
You fucking, you know, like Ijust I love that I'm going to
point out to, and I don't knowthat this is why they did it,

(02:09:07):
but I think it works out verywell.
We have a pretty intense storywith a couple of teenagers who
are, for the purposes of thestory, a couple, even if we're
playing with how we do that byhaving her, early on, say we're
not going to be boyfriend andgirlfriend, and then we're still
figuring out what they are.
In episode six, we really getaround the weirdness of sex

(02:09:33):
between these two, and I thinkit allows us to experience the
other elements of therelationship.
In what I'm I don't want tovilify or demonize sex big fan,
but that it uncomplicates whatwe're looking at otherwise.
This conversation is differentif they've had sex.

(02:09:55):
This conversation is superdifferent if she's like oh well,
period is late.
Like you just take all of thatout of this and it's two human
beings connecting in a way thatI think it wouldn't be as clean
otherwise the connection I meannothing.

Speaker 2 (02:10:12):
You make a great point and coach.
This is for lack of a betterterm.
This is the do like meconversation that you have.
Yeah, right, yeah, which is verydelayed considering we're six
episodes in, but hisvulnerability has sort of given
her, you know, open that up.
So that's a possibility for her.

(02:10:33):
And this moment of connection,where they look each other in
the eyes is, it's atypicalbecause they are so shielded and
so armored emotionally theyjust plain don't let themselves
get there.
We know that there's anaffection between them, we know

(02:10:53):
that he is, you know, especiallyfrom him to her, we can, we
tell right off the bat he's gota thing for her.
We never, we don't always knowwhether she's got a thing for
him Because, like we'vementioned before, she rightfully
doesn't want to make the samemistakes that her mom made or
other people made.

(02:11:14):
They have a tiny beat wherethey kind of step in like
they're going to actually kissfor the first time.
She has kissed him on the cheekto this point.
But, right, as they kind ofstep in and have a romantic
moment, got to make sure that weremind everybody that the show

(02:11:37):
creator, sean Simons, is fromBoston, and so, god forbid, you
have a tender moment without thespecter of excruciating
violence, and so let's pick itup right here, boss, and tell us
what happens.

Speaker 4 (02:11:52):
Oh, Della's looking past his shoulders a little bit
because somebody is coming upbehind him shouting surprise,
it's Bobby Luchetti and CarlLuchetti beating him with a
baseball bat.
And then they proceed to beathim a little bit.
Wayne does get a kick toBobby's groin in at some point,

(02:12:13):
but three on one, even two onone, because one of the twins is
holding Dell back.
None of this is fair.

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
Holding her with one arm while using the other arm
slash hand to get all of thisfor the Graham.

Speaker 4 (02:12:29):
That is an excellent call.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Yeah, right, exactly yeah, he is videotaping on his
phone.
Carl holds, he holds on to Dellon her sister with one arm and
you got Teddy.
You know he doesn't have thebat.
Teddy is doing a lot of kicking.
Bobby stands over Wayne.
You fucking nuts.
You come into my house.
You fucking bust up mytelevision, which that is.

(02:12:54):
This is where Teddy jumps in a32 inch fucking senior.
I'm glad they started thatbecause that's the key insult
that happened, that Wayneperpetrated was the zeemis.
What a hell of a jumping offpoint.
Not to mention Dell as thefirst transgression here.

(02:13:17):
You kidnap my fucking daughter.
She says stop and I chose toleave.
Shut your fucking mouth,delilah.

Speaker 3 (02:13:25):
Right, I don't want to get hung up there, but I
thought that was a reallyimportant line.
I don't even have all thedescription for it, but that she
states out loud.
I chose to leave.
He's like that ain't the storywe're going with tonight or ever

(02:13:48):
.
I've decided it went this wayand therefore that's how it went
.

Speaker 4 (02:13:53):
Yes, wow, I'm not saying that this happens to
women more than men.
I will say that one of thewildest things about being a
grown woman who has chosen notto have kids and not to get
married and live by myself andI'm into all of those things is
that sometimes you run acrossfundamentalist, conservative
white Christians and I'm goingto specifically say that they're
white, because I've never had ablack woman tell me this

(02:14:15):
conservative white Christianssay oh well, you just don't
understand how unhappy you trulyare.
You can't really be happywithout kids, or a husband.
Oh, for real, oh for sure.
You're lying to yourself.
You don't understand howunhappy you are.
At which point you're like oh,come on.

Speaker 2 (02:14:32):
I feel badly for you, boss, because you haven't lived
until you have a black womansay that oh no, God you just
don't know what you're missing.
I don't want to be a parent ofthat type.

Speaker 4 (02:14:42):
I know a particularly high caliber of black women,
but the only people that haveever said that shit to me have
been white people.

Speaker 3 (02:14:49):
Put a shame.
You don't know who that is, youjust don't know, that's it.

Speaker 4 (02:14:54):
I can't argue with that.
If you don't believe me, Ican't argue with you.
I don't know what to tell you.
All right, fine, I'm miserable.
Are we done?

Speaker 3 (02:15:03):
I'm just always amazed by people declaring to
others what life is about.
I've run into this recently andI'm sure it's me noticing when
you're going to buy a green car,you see all the green cars, I
feel like.
Recently I've run into severalsituations where one person says
to another whole fucking humanbeing no, that isn't actually

(02:15:27):
what you want for your life.
You want and I'm like what?
That is the craziest shit.
I don't know when do you getthe I almost said the balls but
where do you get the nerve tosay to another person the
meaning of your life is thatwould be a good use of balls.

Speaker 2 (02:15:48):
That's what we relate to.
Yeah, exactly Like unmitigatedaudacity.

Speaker 3 (02:15:53):
Yeah exactly, yeah, unbelievable.
Anyway, sorry, I don't know why, I'm always amazed, I promise
you, I think it's my way ofbeing sensitive to the white
person who's shocked by racistthings that happened, because
you tell me some of the shitthat happens to women and I'm
like get the fuck out of it.
Like in no world, in no Thor,has anyone ever stopped and told

(02:16:20):
you no, the mean, you have todo this.
That is the meaning of yourlife.
I don't give a shit what youthink the meaning of your life
is.
I know I've never had anybodysay it like like any shit, like
that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:33):
No, no, no no, I mean tell me, I look prettier when I
smile, but does that count?

Speaker 3 (02:16:37):
No, that's just true, that's just true.
There you go.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
No, yeah, no, no, no, yeah.
We get relatives who will tellus oh, you should really do this
, you should, you know, likethey tell you to host or
something whatever.
Well, yeah, but not like, likeI don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:16:52):
But not.
I met you 15 minutes ago.
You should go have kids,because I really enjoy it, like
anywhere, I get it.
Yeah, well, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:17:06):
One of the fun parts of this podcast is is seeing how
rich and full our lives, ourlives, are, coach and
juxtaposing that against bosses,misery, happiness, drug use.

Speaker 4 (02:17:24):
I mean, I did tell you about the, the chili, lime,
cashew, vanilla ice cream, likeI don't know what more you want
me to tell you.

Speaker 2 (02:17:32):
It's not that you, it's not that you came up with
that, it's that you had thespace to come up with the other
piece of mine where.
I didn't have other humanshanging off you.

Speaker 3 (02:17:43):
Oh yeah, or that you would create it and someone else
didn't look over your shoulderand decided we're going to share
it.

Speaker 4 (02:17:50):
That was my second tiny little cup of ice cream of
the evening.
The first one was coconutwafers on top of vanilla ice
cream.

Speaker 2 (02:17:59):
Listen in fairness, I , yeah, I don't like anyone
telling their life.
I know for my life, I can'timagine it without a family or
without a you know children,something I've always wanted as
long as I can remember how to bedead.
So I get the instinct behindwanting that, but I also get the
instinct around not wantingthat and I just want everyone to

(02:18:20):
, you know, live their best lifeand some of your goddamn
business or someone has kids ornot, or has a same sex partner
or not, or has no partner or not, or has three cats instead of
12.
It doesn't, it just mind yourown business people.
It just shouldn't be somethingthat we, you know, lord over

(02:18:40):
anybody else.
So anyway, speaking of oflording over, bobby Lachetti is
standing over a wait, wait, wait.
He's on the concrete.
He's on the tarmac folks and onhis back in a defensive posture
.
You got these three pelucasstanding up.
Wait, peluca is not a bad word,is it?

(02:19:00):
I should really lift that up.
I have no idea Sounds like it'sone of those words that probably
would be bad words.

Speaker 3 (02:19:07):
Yeah, I think dumb peluca.

Speaker 2 (02:19:09):
I don't know where the word.
I don't know where this from,but he's got these big oafs over
him right and Bobby's got a batand they're in.
At least.
Carl and Bobby are in businessmode, they're in fight mode.
And just looking at this image,how do you know they're in
fight mode?
Coach, I'll save you thetrouble of having to unmute.

(02:19:34):
They got their hats turnedbackwards.
They don't have their, their,their ball cap.
All three are wearing ball caps.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:19:42):
Yeah, they are.
They are ready for a fightbecause they spun spun their cap
backwards.

Speaker 3 (02:19:48):
Now somebody noticed this.

Speaker 2 (02:19:50):
I was looking at the etymology of peluca, by the way,
oh yeah, yeah, yeah, let meknow if we should, if we should
86 it.

Speaker 4 (02:19:58):
According to Merriam-Webster's almost called
it urban dictionary, but the notofficial dictionary, just
Merriam-Webster's.
The origin is unknown, althoughit first appeared in print in
1920 in a comic strip about aboxer named Joe Peluca.
Okay, which, so it seems fine.
I mean, you seem old as fuck,but it seems fine.

Speaker 1 (02:20:22):
Let me tell you a few things about the old days, boss
.

Speaker 4 (02:20:28):
Also Sam Rockwell's partner's name is Leslie Bipp.

Speaker 2 (02:20:30):
That is who I was referring to.
That's fine, great she is.
She is a fan.
She's another person who everytime you see Leslie Bipp and
something, you go God damn,she's good.
Good, I don't like that.
There's that much talent.
One relationship is kind ofselfish, you ask me.
You would hope that they wouldget less talent than partners,
just to increase the averageworldwide.

Speaker 4 (02:20:52):
But that's only on podcasts.

Speaker 2 (02:20:54):
A couple of jerks.
Okay, so they're beating upWayne.
Somebody yells they're beatingup Wayne.
They'll says fuck you.
Wayne fights back right, kickto the groin, kick to the face
of Bobby, and now Teddy's intohim, kicks him, picks him up.
They're taking turns.
They'll say daddy, and Bobbysays hold him, hold him.

(02:21:16):
And it is have either of you.
No, I'm guessing boss has neverbeen in a fist fight, right, a
full out fist fight.

Speaker 3 (02:21:25):
No, but you never had a view, while someone else hits
you.
No, that I've never had, likenot like this.
And it is the moment in anyfight I mean, it's a classic
sort of the bad guys are winningthing.
That happens in TV and film,and anytime it happens, my hate
multiplies, because I just feellike, well, if you want to fight

(02:21:46):
, fight Like hold them, likewhoa, like square, you know, if
you so, anyway, that's.
I don't know that.
That's like my most evolvedview of the world, but I just
feel like there's somethingabout hold you, hold them while
I hit them, and then we're goingto both walk away as if we did
something.

Speaker 2 (02:22:04):
That we do have this built in sort of fight
choreography, like morality,built into our consciousness
where we kind of know this is.
This is why it might.
Here's my thesis.
This is why, a few years back Iforget, I'm trying to place it
but there was this fight whereit looked like a couple of white
people were picking on someblack people and then, out of

(02:22:25):
nowhere, like six other blackpeople showed up and oh yeah, I
know that's the yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he knows that was
Montgomery Alabama.

Speaker 4 (02:22:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that just happened.

Speaker 2 (02:22:35):
Yeah, you say that just happened.

Speaker 3 (02:22:37):
Yeah, look a year ago .

Speaker 2 (02:22:38):
I want to say Right but it was a little while we
talked about it on the podcast.
But it was like, right away youhad that, that icky sense like
this is not right, like rightand and.
But the people that were aheadwho knew it wasn't right
continued or something right.

Speaker 3 (02:22:55):
So then when it went, the other way, it was like oh
well, Okay, guess what Fuckersyou know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:23:01):
Like it was that kind of grossness.
And so when you watch this,this scene where, where you know
, hold them, hold them.
He's got his Wayne's, got hisarms behind his back, he's in in
what they call a double arm barand wrestling, that's when your
elbows are back and the otherperson has their arms tucked in,

(02:23:21):
holding the arms back,shoulders back, exposing the
midsection for pummeling, andBobby, bobby, he starts
hammering him, he, he, he laysinto him.
And it's funny because, if youknow, I'm not a, I am not a huge
fan of boxing.
I don't like, I don't likeseeing people punch each other.

(02:23:47):
My dad was a boxer.
He tried to show me some boxingstuff, which is a boxer, and
the thing I'll say I don't wantto say like a wholesale thing
about oh, I don't like boxing, Ilike if I'm boxing or I'm
training to box, because you,anyone who doesn't know boxing,
has no idea how hard it is tothrow three punches and how hard

(02:24:09):
it is to hold your guard up andwhat it does to your back and
your shoulders.
Right it is, you just go.
Oh my God, if you don't know,you don't know.
And so, from an athleticperspective, it is really
remarkable, and it's like asport that requires way more
conditioning than you think andway more practice, and and it's
really remarkable it's just ashame, from my eyes, that

(02:24:30):
somebody has to get hit.
Now, the thing that they say,though, in boxing, is we watch
it as a as a layman, and youwatch and you go, oh God, look
at, he's hitting him in the head, hitting him in the head, and
we go, jesus Christ, oh, thatpoor guy.
But most boxers will tell you,or people who know the sport,
it's like it's the body blowswhere you, where you really,
where you, where you startcracking ribs or you start, you

(02:24:54):
know, making breathing difficult, or someone can't twist and
pivot and move and coach correctme if I'm wrong about any of
this.
No, no, you're right.
So when Bobby has likeunguarded shots at Wayne's ribs,
I mean, and then what happensis is Teddy lets him go, and
Wayne's got his guard up, butbut he's already it's like it's

(02:25:20):
when Maximus has to fight at theend of gladiator but they stop
him in the kidney and they gookay, go have a fair fight.
Yeah, that's a.
It's not ideal.
And then it's funny because theBobby Bobby just not almost
knocks him out a straight, hejust a straight shot to the face

(02:25:42):
, knocks him down on the ground.
It's the type of thing.
Again, we don't want toglamorize this at all.
It's hyperviolent.
It for our Ted Lasso fans, forthe people that have a hard time
with this.
I get it.
It's hard to watch and so youknow it's funny because we have
a lot of people who will listento the podcast but just aren't

(02:26:04):
going to watch Wayne, and sothey'd rather have us describe
it and enough to experience itthemselves.
And I really understand it is.
It is tough to watch.
I don't like, like I said, Ican't watch UFC.
I can't watch.
I just don't like seeing peopleget hit.
Something about it really,really bugs me.
Bobby, we knocked Wayne to theground.

(02:26:26):
It's the point where there'slike a you know, like blood mark
on the ground.
You know there's like blood onthe ground.
This is, this is some damagehappening.
Bobby says you take my fuckingnose, motherfucker, you pretty
boy.
He says go get those goddamnbolt cutters.
We're taking the nose with us.

Speaker 4 (02:26:45):
I need people to start understanding that pretty
boy means a specific thing andit doesn't apply to everybody.
Like Wayne is extremelyattractive, he is not a pretty
boy.
That's not what that is.
I know because I am attractedto him and I'm not attracted to
pretty boys.
He's just good looking.

Speaker 2 (02:27:05):
Okay, but in the, in the binary world where Bobby
Lachetti comes from, like apretty boy is an insult.
That means like almost, almost,sort of.
You know it'd be like I don'tknow.

Speaker 4 (02:27:22):
No, I know what he's going for.
But it would be the same way ifsomebody was like I don't know
Like if they were like hey,emily, you never speak up Like I
.
Maybe maybe you're trying tocall me a coward, maybe that's
the eventual insult that you'regetting to, but it's factually
inaccurate.
It doesn't land as well.
If you insult somebody withsomething that's not true, it's

(02:27:43):
got to be a little bit true andsomething somebody hates about
themselves.
And what Wayne hates abouthimself is not that he's a
pretty boy.

Speaker 2 (02:27:50):
Yeah, no, no, that's true, right, yeah.
Yeah, bobby's insults are notelegant.
So they're saying we hearsomeone yell get the fuck off,
wayne.
And people start pouring out ofthe dance, right?
And it's funny how quicklyBobby and Teddy and Carl pivot

(02:28:13):
to understanding that this is abigger fight.
It's weird.
Like, like you're not takingmuch right.
Here we go.
Yeah, bobby turns around, spitssome blood out and says, all
right, look, bring it on Likelet's go.
And then everybody charges.
He takes out the first coupleof people, the students, and

(02:28:36):
then it's just a numbers game ata certain point, because you
got what?
50 people attacking three.

Speaker 3 (02:28:43):
Coming running out, yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:28:47):
But there's something that you know.
We have the show going on andwe know Bobby now and all the
things, and this is an insanescene.
But there's something aboutBobby's willingness to beat the
shit out of kids that makes himparticularly.

(02:29:09):
Finally respectable it makeshim so awesome.

Speaker 2 (02:29:12):
That's why they set up the starting kids thing.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:29:18):
But yeah, like you know, like the fact that we've
seen him already rough Wayne up,we've seen him, you know grab,
you know Dell's hair, we knowhow he treats his own son, to
the point where they don't wantto wake him for fear that he's
going to beat the crap out ofthem on their birthday.
And then that he's so easilylike, as you pointed out, pivots

(02:29:41):
to I'm going to slug it outwith a dance full of high school
kids.
And it doesn't seem to be anypart of him that views it like
oh my God, how'd I get here?
Or wait a minute, this is crazy.
How is this my life?
No, none of that.
Just go get me the bolt cutters.
And I'm sure, after this isdone, he had a similar reaction.

(02:30:03):
Are you just he's?

Speaker 2 (02:30:05):
like a crazy, is like a text like old school.
Well, the original definitionof barbarian was in the original
ancient Greek, with some ofthem is not great, but then it
became like just somebody who'slike absolutely uncivilized in
every way and he feels like that.
He feels uncivilized in everyway the fact that there's not

(02:30:27):
even a glimmer of recognitionthat he's about to hit 15 and 16
year olds.
Right, it's, it's psychotic.

Speaker 3 (02:30:37):
It's absolutely psychotic.
Like you are but and I don'tmean a grown man is in your 25
and he's 18.
Like you have children.
You are with two of yourchildren who are older than
these children and they are alsoin on.
I mean it's just horrible,Horrible, horrible, horrible
behavior.

Speaker 2 (02:30:58):
Well, so the they lose, the the Chinese lose,
rightfully they're.
They're good.
Things do happen in the world.
At one point, one of the highschool students, who we don't
know, picks up a bat and startswhacking Bobby with a bat, which
I'm like Jesus, what comesaround goes around.
Dell is able to escort Wayneaway.

(02:31:20):
He is really messed up, likewe've seen Wayne messed up.
Yeah but he looks like it wasfunny because not fun no, not ha
ha funny.
But it was concerning because Ithought oh God, can he even
drive the bike?
Like liquid?
His condition Like is he?

(02:31:42):
Is he too dizzy?
Is he too?
He's got to be concussed.
You know, you just worry aboutthat.
But they hop on the bike andthey're gone.
And then, as Bobby's gettingpounded, we see Trish and Jenny
come up and they scream that'swhat you get for fucking with.

Speaker 3 (02:32:02):
And we smashed to the big way, how do they, how they
get me on so many of these, likeI always kind of laugh like
you're right, you're right, itworked, it fit Like it was
perfect.
It was a perfect end to theepisode, or you know, to that.
Then we have the tag yeah it's.

Speaker 4 (02:32:21):
It's the opposite of the big episode title on.
It's always honey.
They always figure out a way toread it in.
Well, my favorite is Franksaying oh, come on, what's the
worst that could happen?
And then, immediately to Frank,set Sweet D on fire.
We have to fucking hard.

Speaker 2 (02:32:39):
Yeah, yeah, no no, no , it is magical.
How good.
Because you go, they can't oneup it and then it goes the gang,
gets racist and you're like ohGod, you know.

Speaker 4 (02:32:49):
I mean like, yeah, you just go.

Speaker 2 (02:32:51):
I can't under these, these fucking people.
You know, you're just like itis, there's no bottom.

Speaker 4 (02:32:58):
The only.
Thing.
I'm going to say about thatscene.
Yes, the fight was like.
I don't like real violence, Ilove to shit out of
choreographed violence.
The lobby scene of the Matrixis fucking incredible.
Still Also, while I'm ramblinga little bit, since we've
already broken the copyright, isthere any chance we could play
just a snippet of the beautifulsong that is playing while the

(02:33:23):
gym full of children comes outto beat up Bobby Luchetti?
Because it's an inspired choice.
It's one that I feel we need toreference more often.
I'm not sure why it went away,but we need it back and if we've
got it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:41):
You know what?
We're a couple of rebels, or abunch of rebels here.

Speaker 4 (02:33:44):
We're doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:33:45):
Yeah, let's do it.
Why not, like, we'll take itdown if they want us to, and
let's play a little clip Fuck it, fuck it, fuck it, stop, come
here.

Speaker 1 (02:33:58):
Stop, daddy, nice shot, take my fucking nose,
motherfucker, are you pretty boyGo get that.

Speaker 2 (02:34:03):
Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on, come
on, Come on, come on, come oncome on, come on, come on, come
on, come on, come on, come on,come on, come on, come on, come
on.
Unfortunately, perfect as yousay son.

Speaker 1 (02:34:17):
Come on, come on.
How about yourself?
You see a science.
Wow, daddy.
How about noticeable directors?
What were you doing?
No, no, so I just wanted alittleThey we got men, give me

(02:34:39):
what I have.

Speaker 5 (02:34:42):
Give me the money and now I wonder if I could fall
into the sea.

Speaker 4 (02:34:53):
See, you think times would pass me by, cause you know
I'd walk a thousand milesflagging us.

Speaker 5 (02:35:04):
Look at all these fucking scum bads.
That's what you got for fuckingwith me.

Speaker 3 (02:35:09):
Exactly, truly, truly , and I'll say, by the way, that
you did me a service.
I know we got to wrap up, butyou did me a service Because I
just hadn't ever given that songa ton of thought.
And after we had a conversationabout it, when we all watched
and I went off to like read thelyrics and I was like there's a

(02:35:30):
lot more to this song than Iever thought about.
Yeah, so thank you for that.
Who is that?
Who?

Speaker 2 (02:35:35):
is that that's Vanessa Carlson's every say.
Yes, Vanessa Carlson, I'm goingto put a.
I have one of my favorite dancenumbers.
I showed Boston and Coach by adance crew called Poriotics and
I'm going to put that on thecommunity site.
We have a little button afterthis, so usually they go oh,

(02:35:58):
next on Wayne.
Once you get that big Waynesplash, you usually get you know
, next time on Wayne.
This time we get this littlebutton at the end, that's just
disappear.
I mean, that's everybody'sfavorite.
So the ikiy are the two of usand we get nominated.
Okay, so what, we're going withthis.
So what, these two are the twothat are gonna be Okay, no

(02:36:33):
matter what they fill out.
I'll never feel like a superreal brother.
Meanwhile, jay is next to himjust scrolling on his phone,
exhausted by hanging out withGellar, and he's like you know
I'm probably tired and hungrytrying to figure out where they
would go to stop and eat, andJay, his face just goes, you
know, wide open mouth.

(02:36:55):
And what does he see here?

Speaker 4 (02:36:58):
Oh, it's the fucking twins Instagram feed.
He's looking at the fight thatWayne is in the middle of, along
with the Lunatic who sprayedsomebody down with gasoline.

Speaker 2 (02:37:11):
Yeah.
And so he says, yeah, I foundthe, the, the feed of these guys
, and he sees the real timestuff.
Good God, what are those mendoing?
You know, gellar is like, he'slike oh my God, is that Wayne?
Jay says yeah, and yeah, we getthis, we get this.

(02:37:34):
Beat Christ on crutches.
He says, shit, maybe you wereright, maybe a little Robin Hood
does need our help.
Jay says, and so you know, youget this little button where,
wisely, they redirect us.
And you know, this is how youget Gellar and Jay back on track

(02:37:57):
and be able to follow the set.
And that is the end of Wayne,episode six.
Who even are we now?
Okay, and that's, that's wherewe're going to finish today.
Coach, where do people find youif they want to find you?

Speaker 3 (02:38:12):
Come through the community site.
We have so much fun.
I'm going to take my momenthere to speak to that.
There's a conversation ondivorce and other big time
topics that I'm going to playcatch up on today and, other
than that, a lot of peoplehaving fun and interesting
conversations, so you can't beatit.

Speaker 2 (02:38:28):
All you have to do to join the community is go to the
description in the podcast andyou can see where to support us,
and as soon as you do that, youget an invite and you can join
and talk.
Boss, what about you?

Speaker 4 (02:38:42):
I am mostly on threads these days.
That is, emily dot chambers,dot 31, also on blue sky, though
, which is dumbly chambers, allin words.
You could get all that infothrough my Twitter page, which
should be in the notes Also.
I swear to God writingsomething for the antagonist
soon.
There's still stuff up thereright now.
It's hilarious.
That is antagonist blogcom andalso the community site.

(02:39:05):
I promise I'm going to be therenow more.
Also, it's spring in Chicago,so everything is alive,
including my desire to stayinside and look at a computer
screen.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
Yeah, there's finally some good weather in the middle
of the country and in the east.
Not for long, I think will lastthat long it never does.
But yeah, thank you, boss, andthat'll do it for us today.
We'll be back next time withWayne, season one, episode seven

(02:39:38):
.
It's chapter seven.
It'll last forever.
Thank you for listening to ustoday.
Thanks for joining us.
Thanks, as always, for all thekind words and all the great
reviews.
We really appreciate youjoining us for this time and we
know people listen at home andlisten in the car and sometimes
there's people who are travelingon the road a lot.
Sometimes it's just having usin the background at work.

(02:39:59):
We got a funny message from oneof our listeners who said I
love you guys, but it'sfrustrating because I'm the only
one that doesn't get to talkwhen we're all talking Feels
like being with friends and shedoesn't get to chime in.
We really get that.
Please consider joining us inthe community site In the

(02:40:21):
meantime.
Thanks, thanks again.
Thanks for jumping on to Waynewith us, especially if you came
in with Ted Lasso and supportyour local libraries in the
written word.

Speaker 3 (02:40:34):
And until next time we are rich and we are rich men
To we should on a tablet, that'sit.

Speaker 2 (02:40:44):
We got to work harder .

Speaker 3 (02:40:46):
We just got to work harder.

Speaker 2 (02:40:47):
All right, thanks, everybody concededed.

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