Wayne | S1 Ep8 Part1 "Musta Burned Like Hell" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful friends.
Today we are discussing Wayne,episode 8, must've Burned Like
Hell.
I am your host, coach Castleton.
With me, as always, is CoachBishop.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
I don't like it when the kids are fighting.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, there's a lot of that in this episode.
With us is our boss, EmilyChambers.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
I saw something on Reddit the other day.
I think it was a link to atweet and by the time I went to
go find it, I should be able toattribute this to the person
that actually wrote it.
But somebody said getting olderand recognizing, you were never
an extrovert, you justpreferred socializing to a bad

(01:19):
home life.
And I was like, hey, hey, justtag me next time.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, jesus Christ, you could just do that.
That's some high heat, man.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
I've been thinking the past few years that some
combination of getting older andmellowing out a little bit
along with the pandemic hadturned me into an introvert.
And now all of a sudden I'mlike, well, I'm gonna have to go
back and consider some things.
Maybe this is why none of theother kids in my sixth grade
class wanted to sit quietly andread about Norse mythology Like

(01:52):
I didn't know that wasn't howyou didn't make friends.
I thought that was normal, wasthat, not it?
Anyway, it feels applicable forthis episode.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
There's a lot packed in there, a real kinship.
There's a lot packed in there,real kinship.
Sat quietly and read aboutnorth mythology that's a lot
there.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Um, I was introduced rather recently to the uh
ambivert, I believe, is the termthat there was it.
That's essentially we.
We talk about it as a binarylike a lot, lot of things, and
you know, we're also along acontinuum in terms of
extroversion and introversion.
And that was such a relief tome because I definitely can do

(02:38):
the extrovert thing and Idefinitely can do the introvert
thing, but I've never reallyfelt like that.
I've always kind of felt like,oh, I'm not quite that.
So that helped me to like wrapmy mind around how I actually
like I like to be around peopleuntil I need a break.
Yeah, that's a very real thing.
And then when I need a break, ifI'm forced to be around people.

(02:59):
That's just not.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, it's so painful .
Well, they say, where do yourecharge, coach?
And this is why you know a lotof people like the I.
I like when people sayintroverted, extrovert, because
if you're an extrovert, yourecharge by being right people.
If you're an introvert, yourecharge by being alone.
But I kind of recharge by beingaround both.
But I definitely need to getaway and be like okay, everyone,

(03:23):
just just kind of.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
Yeah, but I don't feel like an intro.
I'm definitely no, I itwouldn't be an intro.
I think we match well andactually I think our
relationship matches exactlywhat works best for me, which is
I can do the big group, theparty.
I can, and I can do that eitheras somebody just sitting there

(03:45):
enjoying it, or I can be the onewho holds court Like coach has
seen me, and then, once thebourbon starts flowing, I can do
.
I can do a tight 20 for you.
Just give me a top, holy shit.
I've seen that so many times.
But, but, but the quiet time.

(04:07):
I don't need it to be absolutelyalone, and sometimes my
favorite is one, maybe two otherpeople when we're all willing
to like have deep conversation,have silence, like I have
certain friends who can kind oflike match me, like when I'm
like I just need to talk, I needto think, or I've been, you

(04:29):
know, looking at this issue orwhatever, and they can kind of
like have the conversation withme.
That's probably my favorite.
I was actually it's funny, Ithought about this recently a
friend, blah blah, we we hadreconnected and we talked for
like three hours on the phoneand I was so happy afterward
like she and I like we talkedabout fucking everything, like

(04:52):
her life, my life, what thefuck's going on in this country,
the world?
Oh yeah, I love that cookielike there's, just like the we,
you know, but that those werealways my favorite.
Back to being a high schooler,that was like those were always
my favorite back to being a highschooler.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
That was like those were always my favorite.
Yeah, I don't do so.
I think the reason that I wouldsay I'm an introvert is I 100%
do recharge by things beingquiet, like being alone and
things being quiet.
It's not that I don't enjoypeople or hanging out or even.
Sure sure.
It's just that, like one of myfive has a girl's weekend every

(05:27):
year first birth for herbirthday, uh, we go to her lake
house.
It's like a group of seven oreight people.
I know everyone, I get alongwith everyone, everyone there is
wonderful.
When I drive home on sunday andthe boyfriend asks what I want
to do, I say, say, can I sit onthe couch and you play Witcher

(05:47):
or something?
And I just zone out on my phoneor maybe pay, and he's like,
well, yeah, I have autism, so Iwould love to play video games
and that's some form ofsocializing.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
That's great.
He's like say less.
Yeah he's like that Game'salready started.
He's already entered.
Hello girl.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
That's perfect.
But, yeah, no like.
Even when it's people that Ilike and things that I enjoy, I
I'm like I need everything veryquiet.
I realize that that's part ofwhy I used to enjoy the commute
from work to home is that I had,even if I was on like
headphones, I would just be likeon the L, not talking and not
thinking and getting to not dealwith anyone.

Speaker 2 (06:27):
So not, and also not thinking as part.
That's interesting.
So I wonder if you know I waslistening.
I was wondering if my coachnever got into video games,
because when I have my downtimeyou know I might be in the
countryside in Skyrim or I mightbe you know like, and I think
because I've had ADHD it's toughto turn my brain off.

(06:48):
But if I'm like on a mission orif I'm on like some quest or you
know some kind of thing or oreven some mindless that you know
.
A lot of people love thosemobile games where they can just
mindlessly do whatever whatever, and I think it's a right, it
helps.
Yeah, juliana loves them.
She doesn't play any game butlike she's not a huge gamer, but

(07:09):
she will play with our children.
If they ask, mommy, will youplay this game, she'll acquiesce
and do it.
And then I chirp from behindthe couch like Left stick is
during your head.
She's like I know.
You know, like.
But she does like the mobilegames because it's this
repetition and you can reallyunplug a little bit.

(07:33):
It's fascinating and it ends upbeing an assistant.
If you can't turn your brainoff yourself, it sort of lets
you cheat it, which isfascinating.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
I think of it as giving my monkey mind something
to do.
I used to doku, oh Like, yeah,that can be for me, that can be.
Sometimes.
My workouts are that frankly.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
Jokes Seth can't say what's that?

Speaker 4 (08:01):
Oh, oh God.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Coach calling his mind a monkey mind, you know
like there's those, there'sthose things.
Here's a joke, coach.
I remember I wrote this.
I remember I wrote thisbeautiful uh piece.
I was very proud of it.
It was about racism, the nfland I I was like I think I'm on
the right, I think I wrote itright.

(08:25):
But I showed it to Coach andour other friend in our fantasy
football league, both of whomare black, because I said just
spot check this for me, becauseI was saying it was when Camden
got hit by the Broncos.
Remember.
I was really proud of it and Iwas like a white guy has to call
this out.
This was watching racism happenin real time.

(08:45):
They kept hitting this blackquarterback and if it was Tom
Brady, if they got withinone-eighth of an inch?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
of him.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It would have been seven flags in the field.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Meanwhile I saw this guy, the whole organization.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, and so I wrote it and I remember during it I
wrote I don't know somethingabout.
This was not that long ago, itwas like eight years ago, 10
years, not that long, maybe noteven that long, but I remember I
made some allegory about some.
I don't even remember cheetahlike speed on whatever, and yeah

(09:16):
, or the friend was like justjust sad note you can't compare
a black man to an animal.
I'm saying how fast he is.
It's like the ideal.
He's like I don't care if it'sa condor, Don't do it.
I don't care.
Yep, just plain don't do it,because black people read this
thing and they'll agree witheverything, and then they'll see
that one thing, oh, okay.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
Yeah, that's real.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Jesus, yeah, that's real, yeah, god, amazing.
But anyway, yes, coach, that'swhat I heard you say Monster
Brain, cool, cool, just playingdefense, just playing defense,
coach.
Alright, so we are going to gointo Wayne, episode 8.
Today Must've Burned Like Hell.
We're going to zip right intoit.
This is an episode that gaveboth Boss and Coach moments of

(10:05):
like visual reaction.
We're like watching it withthem.
Was was amazing.
So let's talk about the openinghere.
These guys are in a someone hasbeen kind enough to give them a
ride in the back of a truck andwe open up with with the header
that they're finally made it toakala, florida.

(10:27):
That's the at long last, coach.
We made it um, couple beautifuloutdoor, uh beauty shots of
them driving, gorgeous, softlighting of them in the back of
this, uh, sort of very protectedspace.
Weirdly, it's like they'releaning on bags of manure,
probably, or, or you know,nitrates or whatever.
You know.
Whatever that is in those bags,it's a dirty.

(10:50):
Uh, they're.
They're in the cat.
Uh, like one of those cat, notthe cab.
Uh, one of those, um, thoseaddition, the, the, the thing
you put in the back of a pickuptruck that's enclosed.
Uh, it's not a trailer but it'suh yeah, there's a term for it.
Uh, maybe it's a cap, maybethat's what it's called.
That's why it's not cab trailer, but it's uh.
Yeah, no, there's a term for it.
Uh, maybe it's a cap, maybethat's what it's called.
That's why it's not cab for asec.
But I think it's a roof.

(11:10):
Um, you put a roof on the car,yeah, roof.
Yeah, I got a truck, okaylooking for a roof, heard you
was the one on the truck yeah,so they're in the back of this
and a beautiful.
That's what I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Like for such a rough actual experience is the Amber
light and the you know, to me itwas obviously morning light,
which I probably totally made upbecause it could be sunset, but
it just felt like a new day.
The shot felt like a new day.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
Very sweet, yeah, and we don't know who gave them a
ride.
It's not material to the moment.
What we're really getting hereis the closeness, finally
physical closeness, betweenWayne and Del.
They're both sort of asleep,leaning up against these bags,
or at least have their eyesclosed.
Looks like Del's out cold.
At least Wayne is a little moresitting upright, a little bit

(12:04):
more, but she's got her headlike firmly, like wedged into
his side of his neck, like onhis shoulder, like she, she, you
know she couldn't move her headcloser to his body.
Um, and when they wake up, uh,you know there's, uh, yeah, we
got music playing overhead.
When they wake up, um, there'sa nice look between them, a
smile, and then, uh, what doesdell realize here, coach, she's

(12:27):
been, uh, drooling.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
She asked that I drool on you, um, and anybody
who's been in this situation,that is.
That's a thing that's like,like the.
You know, we, we, we relaxed.
Oh god, did I relax too much,right?
Right Right.
So it was sweet.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
It's adorable, and he says I don't mind.
And then she sort of backs it,sits away and she gives him this
look that I really love and Idon't want to, I don't want to
gloss past it, because she kindof just looks at the drill and
looks at him and she has thissuch like a warm smile behind
him which is we just don't seefrom dell.

(13:06):
Yeah, I mean, it shouldn't be anindicator of anything in this
world god, we should be so muchmore evolved than we are.
But it ends up being that inthis young lady's life, the
ability to drool on someone andfor it to be okay is a huge,

(13:27):
like sort of advancement in herpersonal existence.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
I mean in this moment , I mean up until you know.
We dropped them off and, as thetruck gave them the ride, pulls
off.
They're holding hands, standingthere waving goodbye.
I mean, it's almost, you knowit's, it's almost giving
postcard vibes um there's got tobe a level on short version.

(13:55):
I did a story once on stage andone of the lines, as I was
talking about being kid, was itwas the last time our family
felt whole and to me she I getthe sense that in this moment,
um, she feels whole, maybe forthe first time ever, certainly

(14:17):
for the first time since hermother's gone, that she could
feel that that kind inner calm,peace.
I'm with the people, I'm withmy people.
So I think it sets up a lot ofwhat goes not so great in this
episode, but yeah, it's verysweet.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
I will say for the record I don't think we as a
civilization, as a culture, do avery good job enjoying that
moment collectively, because ifyou are born into a family, you
don't get to choose who yourfamily is.
You're born into a family.
And then if you're born into afamily that does not sync up

(15:00):
with you, where you don't fit in, where, where you just, for
whatever reason, they're notyour people, when you do find
your new family and you make itof your own volition, it is
really exciting, like it it's.
It's a.
We don't even have a word forit that I'm aware of in english.
You know, I'm sure the germansdo um, but right, we don't have.

(15:21):
It's funny, we just.
It's such a huge thing, thatmoment that you just identified,
coach.
It's like I'm with my people,I'm where I'm supposed to be, um
, especially if you'vemanufactured it on your I was
only going to say that I thinkuh term popularly used in the
lgbtq community is found family.

Speaker 4 (15:41):
So like yes, right that idea especially if you're,
yeah, asshole, parents kick youout, then finding the new people
that you get to choose to makeyour life with is pretty
powerful you're right, that istrue.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Yes, in that community it's.
I remember hearing my brothersay that one time um, uh, it's
funny the mafia used to do.
There was something I remembergrowing up and hearing this and
I I never had this version, butI would say, uh, um, you bring
somebody that's not affiliatedwith the mafia into a mafia

(16:15):
event kind of thing.
You introduce them as a friendof mine, right.
But if they are, if they arelike mafia related and and
you're allowed to talk in frontof them, you say he's a friend
of mine.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Yeah, that was in.
They highlighted that in DonnieBrasco.
Oh, did they yeah.
I remember that being a pointthat came up there, but yeah,
that's a thing, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
I checked out of Donnie Brasco.
I can only take so much.

Speaker 3 (16:41):
Don't you dare, don't you dare.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
I have such a love hate pacina uh, a relationship
with pacina uh, but yeah, Idon't know he's uh yeah legend
but I, I get, I get it, I get it, I, I, I stick with.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
Shocking to everyone, I'm sure.
Uh, because I love him the wayI do, I stick, I stick with it
longer than anyone should like.
I like, even I get off thetrain, even I am like okay, I
don't know why you just screamedgood morning, but we're gonna
just have to stop here.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
I don't know, okay, and he's weirdly not like that
at all in real life.
Introspective soft-spoken.
Yeah, so at any rate.
But yeah, yeah, he just doesthat thing.
You can vlog my wife but youcan't watch my goddamn TV, sir.
Okay, take it.

(17:36):
Take it here's a glass of.
Oj, my friend.
All right, boss, were you goingto say something Only?

Speaker 4 (17:42):
that?
What was the movie?
The Scent of a woman.
I remember everybody reallyloving that when it came out and
I didn't see it until I don'tknow, 10 or 15, maybe 20 years
later and somehow I ended upwatching it.
I was like this didn't age.
Well, this didn't turn out thatgreat.
I I I will not doubt thefilmmaking quality or the story

(18:07):
or anything else.
It's only that the story wasbasically Al Pacino defending a
young Chris O'Donnell, becauseChris O'Donnell wouldn't rat out
his buddies who had donesomething pretty horrible at a
private school.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, it was a boarding school.

Speaker 4 (18:20):
Boarding school.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah , yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I
get it.
Boarding school yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah, no, I get it, I get
it.
But that final speech, I, I, I,I have played that final speech
when I'm just like it's timefor me to set the world on fire
and I need a little motivation.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Yeah I mean, when he goes off.
Yeah, I, I but yes I believethat there are films that you
need to see at a specific timein order for them to hit right,
because, like I'll throw outthere that um, I've mentioned
david rackhoff before.
He's one of my favorite writers.
Uh, also, when I was in highschool, I loved the absolute
shit out of rent.

(18:54):
I thought it was incredible.
I thought look at, look at allthese people doing exactly what
they want to and then, as I gotolder, I was like what do you
mean?
you don't want to pay your rent.
And David Rakoff has this wholething about how wanting to be
an artist and practicing yourart and doing everything else.
And he lived in a terribleneighborhood where he was mugged
twice and he didn't haverelationships because he was too

(19:17):
afraid to be who he was and hewanted to be a writer but
couldn't write.
But here's what I did I paid myfucking rent and so now that
I'm an adult, there's a part ofrent where I'm like funny.
I'm like, yeah, guys, come up,come on now.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Even I can recognize it well, pacino won the golden
globe and the oscar for that.
Um, brett martin breast won thegolden globe for it.
Uh, poe goldman won thescreenplay.
Uh, it was a golden globescreenplay.
So, yeah, it didn't the way itaged, it's not.
I remember it did me a favorbecause I think that was

(19:51):
probably.
What year was that?
Was that 93?
, 92?
No, 93.
It was 93.
It did me a personal favorbecause I thought I watched this
movie.
I thought Pacino was sort ofone note in it.
Uh, I wasn't.
I wasn't wowed by, like his,the completeness of his

(20:11):
performance.
I forget who else was nominatedthat year, but I was like I can
pick, not just the four otherpeople nominated.
I can give you, you know, 10other people that had a much
better performance.
And I I was like, oh, this is amake-good Oscar, this is like,
yeah, it's training day forDenzel.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yes, Although I mean yeah, I do think he was still.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Oh, I'm not saying it was a bad performance, but if
you tell me like look throughthe Denzel Washington
filmography and, without knowing, tell me where the Oscar was
won.
I would pick Training Day.
I mean, I thought it was great,I enjoyed it, but that's not
like.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
I told you, you know, I hear you.
No, I think it was probably hisonly good performance.
I mean just spitballing.
Oh no, I was reading the EdZwick biography, as I mentioned.
There's this amazing story init where he's directing Glory,
so the first time.
He's one of Denzel's firstmovies, wouldn't all the

(21:20):
camaraderie between the two.
He's a white director directinguh rehearsals for black
soldiers first time morganfreeman.
Apparently.
He was like uh had walked inand, you know, had had a rough
go of it, acting wise up tilllike around that point in his
life I have a lot of tv, youknow, but not electric company,
not automatic, yeah.
And so he put this crewtogether of these black actors

(21:42):
who were going to play, um, youknow, the soldiers in the 54th,
and it's so interesting to hear,like him talk about how they
were rehearsing.
And Delzel wouldn't rehearse.
He was like would just read thelines, wouldn't kind of get
into it, and the guys allstarted to break their own
characters.
And as he's watching this as awhite boy, the story is

(22:04):
ostensibly about Robert GouldShaw, who played by Matthew
Broderick, who was the whitecommander of this black regiment
, the first black regiment inthe Union Army, and bravely gave
their life for uh, he said.
You know, the script waswritten not as like a white

(22:28):
savior script.
They're mindful of this.
The reason the whole thing cameabout was the actual history of
it was exactly this like theydidn't.
You know it wasn't like a, itwas like.
This is actually how it wentdown.
Yeah, it's not us adding thingsor anything, but as he saw
these, it was.
It was a, a young guy who hadnever done a, had never been on
a camera before that Ed's likesaw on stage, named Andre Brower

(22:52):
, and you go like oh, my Godyeah.
So it's like a young AndreBrower who who, by the way, did
not know how to hit his mark, hekept like being a theater actor
.
And they said you know, you'regetting too far from your mark.
He goes what's a mark?
That's great, like he'd neverbeen in front of a camp, you
know.
So they're, they're doing theseoff-camera rehearsals and

(23:13):
denzel wouldn't go with it, um,because, apparently, like, rage
fuels his stuff, so he has to,like, get up on the day and he's
very, apparently, very,apparently very spiritual, and
so he was like he had to connectwith his ancestors on the day.
And so when we came in thefirst day of shooting, everybody
was amazing, like in that wholegroup, because they were really
into this thing.
But when denzel came in, it waslike a totally different thing.

(23:36):
And you know, you know thaticonic moment where, um, where
they whip and he's staring, yeah, yeah, he's staring, yeah, yeah
.
Yeah, he's staring.
Yeah, the way that happened wasthey'd been doing these takes
and Denzel was like um, okay,they had.
Like.
The guy who was doing thewhipping apparently was like the
nicest guy in the world.
He's like I don't feelcomfortable.

(23:56):
I live in Georgia.
I don't want like this to be myyou know, like when they talk to
him and they're like okay,we're going to do three whips or
whatever, and that'll be it,and then we'll cut, and we'll
just automatically cut.
So they do this, they do this,and every time Denzel's like no
perfect whip, but this next one,without telling Denzel, ed

(24:16):
Zwick says keep whipping.
And it was such a betrayalBecause Denzel was in the scene
right, and after the third whipcomes a fourth, and then a fifth
, and then a sixth, and Denzel'ssuch a pro he's staying with it
.
But it was like this weirdbetrayal and sort of recrafting

(24:40):
this power imbalance.
You know what I mean?
This whole thing.
And that's when Denzel did thetear and that's when they got
him and of course, he ended upwinning the Academy Award for
this.

Speaker 3 (24:52):
I love that, I love that story and I love it because
there are moments when you'redirecting where I almost
apologize for myself.
I've directed, I'm allowed totalk about it, so I'm going to,
I'm going to just go.
But the moment when you'redirector you had to decide like

(25:16):
Am I going to do this risky,courageous thing that I think
will actually get somethingspecial, or do I color inside
the lines and sure it'll be fineand no one can possibly get
upset, and I just love storiesof people pushing that.
Now, the downside of that isthen some people take that to

(25:39):
mean like, yeah, really grab herboob, let's see what she does.
Like that's not what I'mtalking about, no, but there's
like a.
There's a.
There's a scene in on theWaterfront where the Brando
character is in the car with hisbrother and apparently they'd
had this whole conversationabout the scene and Brando's
point was don't have him pullhis gun on me, okay, because

(26:04):
we're brothers, and if he wantsme to do something there are
much more powerful leversbetween two brothers then I'm
going to point a gun at you toto make this thing happen.
And they all agree.
You know what you're right,dramatically blah, blah.
And then, of course, thedirector of on the waterfront's
not coming to me at this exactmoment.
I'll think of it in a secondbut apparently he told the other

(26:26):
actor once they had this wholeconversation pull the gun.
And so in the scene Brando justsort of pushes the gun away
like the guy, and he pushes itaway, but it's sort of like are
you fucking serious?
But the story is yes, he'sdoing it in character, but he's

(26:48):
also like to the director andthe other actor, like are you?
guys fucking serious and Ithought like, oh, that's great,
like because if you tell himit's coming, you're not gonna
get that.
I don't know what you're gonnaget.
It might have been brillianthe's mauling brando but you
weren't gonna get that.
You weren't gonna be like getthe fuck out of here.
Like you just weren't gonna getthat moment um so anyway, I

(27:10):
just love when, uh, I don'tpeople go for things like that.
Certainly not as iconic as onthe waterfront, but I remember
having a scene where the two,the two leads.
It was like right before youreally declare how you feel
about each other, but they'dslept together.
What have you?
And I told each of themseparately.
The scene just wasn't popping.

(27:30):
I told each of them separately.
The scene just wasn't popping.
I told each of them separately.
No matter what your dialogue is, every line is saying I love
you, but I didn't let either oneknow that I told the other one
that and the scene was like nexttake was like that sizzled,
moving on, let's go.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
Yeah, no, it is amazing as a director to be able
to cut through that.
I want to say that I will saysupport the written word and
I've given you some of the greatinsights from the book hits,
flops and other illusions by EdZwick.
Nice, so I'm going to, I'mgoing to, I'm going to pimp his
book.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Yeah, that's fair.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
He, he, he reads on the audiobook, which is great,
it's his own words.
Um, it's a man.
It is just chock full ofamazing industry stuff and he
doesn't uh, big himself up,which I love.
He doesn't like make himselfout to be something.
You know.
Oh yeah, I did so.
I was like I was insecure andstupid and so of course, I did
this.
Right, right, you know so.

(28:33):
Anyway, it was reallyfascinating.
But bringing it back to WayneCoach, what you were talking
about, they get dropped off atthis looks like five-star gas
bar, this little rinky-dink gasstation in Ocala, and you know,
wayne, and they're holding hands, which is nice, but they wave

(28:55):
to the driver to say thank you,which, like they haven't had
many polite interaction, youknow, it's like really atypical
for them to say, hey, thank you.
Like they got, they came incontact with the perfect person
for that.
Like they were not triggered,they weren't bothered, it was
only kindness, um, and so theywave them away, um, and then, uh

(29:16):
, so they, uh, we guys, we havea beautiful shot, like you said,
a postcard, of them hanging outoutside, um, he's got a little
drill mark on his shirt.
They look at each other.
She says I'm fucking stabbingand of course they go in.
Now, boss, will you walk usthrough uh them in the um gas
station please?

Speaker 4 (29:32):
yeah, this is.
This is, uh, intentionallypissing off the audience.
Um, they're looking at thecandy.
Uh, he says we could dodipsticks and she says there's
only one.
He says there's only one.
I wouldn't want to give you myspit germs.
And she says there's only one.
He says there's only one.
I wouldn't want to give you myspit germs.
And she says it's a little toolate for that.
Like, leans into him.

(29:53):
They're being very cute, andnot even in a way that makes me
uncomfortable.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
I'm good with it, right.
Yeah, it wasn't over the top,it was just a little.
Yeah, they're just being cute.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
And I think that they are appropriately damaged.
So I'm in favor of all this.
All this is good.
They keep talking about whatabout these?
No, that's got that coconut ass.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
She does this little thing, boss.
She does that little thing withher foot.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
With her foot also.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Where they do an insert of a shot of her foot,
kind of bumping his foot.
That's as playful as.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Yes, this is intentionally like bumping
somebody's knee underneath thetable on purpose.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
One of those Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And he offers some candy,that's got that coconut asshole
taste.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
She doesn't care for that.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
And I was trying to place that because I feel like
that is a callback.
We've discussed already coconut.
Was that the cookies?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The first time she sellscookies, she's like they sell.
It tastes like coconut assholesor whatever I was like.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
I know that I couldn't remember.
Yeah, anyway, yeah, sorry boss.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
No, no, no.
I was more so trying to figureout why it is that coconut seems
to be such a polarizing flavor.
I love it.
I think it's fucking delicious.
I would eat coconut candy allgoddamn day, but other people,
if they smell it, like automaticvomiting.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Never met a macaroon I didn't like.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, man, my mother used to make this amazing
coconut candy, like she'd shavethe coconut and then, like you,
bake it in these like littleballs.
There was a lot of gingerinvolved.
I'm not supposed to eat coconutanymore, but I do remember like
liking that enough that, eventhough it made my mouth itch a
little, it's probably a singlemeasure of eating it that I
still would have some, becauseit was.

(31:45):
I just liked it so much becauseyou're not allergic.
You're not supposed to eat it,it's never really lit me up, but
definitely I get signals.
I had an allergist tell memaybe we don't wait until this
goes wrong.
Maybe we just stop with thecoconut.
I was like, all right, that'scool.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Feels like the beginnings of a prank.
Coach, did you get a boob job?
What these?
No, give me a hug.
Coach, you got two coconutsunder your shirt Castles.
Yeah, the while we're doingthis, while we're doing this
irritating thing With theaudience, which is exactly what
Boss is alluding to.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
What happened to boss Reggie?

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The car that set all this off audience which is
exactly what boss is alluding to.

Speaker 4 (32:30):
Uh, what happens?
The car pulls up.
Reggie what car the car thatset all this off the car no car
pulls up how could that be?
and uh, dell, to her credit,immediately turns around and
says holy shit, they've got freecoffee here and the car nothing
.
Nothing.
With the car, some.
Uh one of the guys working atthe gas station starts spraying

(32:51):
down the window, so he's in theway and the water's in the way,
uh.
So wayne grabs one of thecreamers and drinks it and he
says oh, they got little milk sowell, it tastes fine.
It doesn't taste fine.
She says that's creamer dummy.
I know for a fact that thatdoesn't taste fine, because I

(33:12):
can't remember who it was.
At some point in high school wehad one of those late start days
.
So my friends and I all wentout to breakfast.
Oh, my friends, I had like twofriends and then I tagged along
with that.
This is fine.
Point is, we're out atbreakfast and somebody had said
something about how someonedrank 12 of the creamers and
then threw up, said somethingabout how someone drank 12 of
the creamers and then threw up,and I was like 12 is nothing

(33:32):
Like 12, you drank 12, nothing.
So I drink all of them that wehave at the table and then
everybody starts going around tothe other table to gather up as
many as they can.
I want to say I ended updrinking like 42, like 42 of the
creamers.
Sweet Jesus, drinking like 42,like 42 of the creamers.
I think we, I think, if I gotthat, they were like, if you

(33:52):
drink 25, we'll buy yourbreakfast.
And I was like, fantastic.
So I drank 25 and they werelike, okay, we'll cover your
breakfast.
And I was like, well, I alreadypaid for one.
Will you buy the second one IfI wanted another breakfast?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Oh, 11 Z's got it.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Nice and then went to school with, uh, a belly full
of creamers 42 creamers, I think.
I think it was 42.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
But anyway, they're not terrible, but they're not
the best I don't even I meanyeah, okay, coach, you got
anything, I love it I love itand I have one of those.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
I have like an iron belly.
Yeah so.
I can do well, I'm like, areyou?
Kidding me.
42.
I could probably do a hundred.

Speaker 3 (34:36):
I have the opposite of an iron belly, so all of this
sounds like an invitation todisaster.
I have stretches of my lifewhere I've been hospitalized and
they still don't know what'swrong with me?
It's like, eh, my stomach justfreaked out again.
This just happens sometimes, ohwell.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
Now I want to recreate the anniversary of our
podcast.
I want to recreate the Raidersof the Lost Ark.
Shot-for-shot battle withcreamers.
You drink this shot and thenyou turn it over like it's done,
just slam an empty creamer.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
When we this shot, and then you turn it over Like
it's done, just slam an emptycreamer.
When we gather the buttercups.

Speaker 4 (35:16):
that will be part of the mission and we could do that
, but mine will need to be amilk alternative.
I can't do dairy, so it's goingto need to be an almond milk or
a coconut milk.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
Oh, one of those, but'll still do it, it's fair.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Fair.
Well, he downs the thing andDell takes a sip of the free
coffee and she says maybe it'stoo hot for coffee, Keep going
she says it's too hot for coffee.

Speaker 4 (35:42):
Fucking Florida.
That's right.
Maybe you should get someshorts.
And he says I don't wear shorts.
She says ever.
What do you wear to the beach?
He said I don't know.
I ain't been to the beach.
When I went as a little kid, Iwould wear pants.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
And she goes Now wait a sec, hold on.
I want to point this outbecause this is how good Mark
McKenna is as Wayne.
It's the only time he slipsthat I know we into first slip.
He says bean, like an irish.
Oh, I don't know, I ain't neverbeen.
I'm like because it's been.
I ain't never been to the b.
It's like, it's definitely notlike.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
Yeah, it's not bean it's been.
I was like it like a, like atrash bin bin I ain't never been
to the beach.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, um, it was only time I was like, oh wow, one
word got through after all thistime and got through based on
your finely tuned ear, becauseyou know the region that well,
you could catch one word.
I mean that's pretty impressive.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
It's a great point of pride in my life.
Okay, keep going.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
It's at least not as a bigger person.
She says what did you wear whenyou were little?
He says pants.
She goes okay, how far is thebeach?
We're going.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Pants or no pants, we're going to the beach like
this is also the girl thatgrabbed her swimsuit, her bikini
and nothing else.
So I thought of thatimmediately too.
I was like, uh, this is allgonna come together we're going
to the beach.

Speaker 4 (37:02):
He she says look, there's a map, grab it.
So he grabs it and of courseputs it directly in front of the
window as the car is pullingaway.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
No, yeah, no, it's still wait.
The car did it pull away whenyou had it in front of the
window?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
From the window, from the window.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, pulled around to the other side.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Oh, from the window I see okay.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
So she holds up her fingers and says, alright, the
beach is this far away, how faris that?
And and says, all right, thebeach is this far away, how far
is that?
And he says pretty far.
But once we get that car, shesays and then in comes Reggie.
And the saddest part is thatit's Reggie and Reggie's buddy
and Reggie's dad.
And I feel like you should not.

(37:45):
I'm not going to say never, butlike whatever Tuesday ornesday
afternoon is happening here, youshouldn't be going on a beer
run with your father if it's notvacation.
There are some, there are someoccasions when it's not what a
fucking mess this is, but likethey are just like a band of

(38:16):
dysfunction.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
They come into the space that way.
Everything that happens whilethey're in the space Like
they're just the worst.

Speaker 4 (38:24):
And yeah, that that that dad is part of the crew is
like yeah, that the that thatdad is part of the crew is like,
yeah, dad shouldn't be part ofyour crew and I am.
I have heard people before saythat their mom is their best
friend, or women say that theirdaughters are their best friends
, and I hope that's not true inthe way that I'm best friends
with my best friends, like Iunderstand that relationship,

(38:45):
but I hope it's not exactly thesame.
Um, but especially like he has,reggie is not so far out of his
teen years that your parentshould be your best friend.
When you were a child.
You should not be friends withyour parents.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
That's also sorry, yeah, no go.
I was gonna say you're defining, like even even saying, what
you mean by best friend.
I mean again, like my Alex.
You know my son has buddies whocome by here.
I've coached a bunch of them.
I know a bunch of them.
Here's what happened.
I come into the room I makesome half coach, half dad joke.

(39:25):
The last one was one of theguys I hadn't seen in a while.
I was like, oh, my propertyvalues are going up.
I better sell this place beforevitality gets out of here, blah
, blah.
So we have you know, aren't youa silly old person?
And I give everybody a poundand a hug and then I get the
fuck out of here and I feel likethat's plenty and they smiled
and I smiled and everybody'shappy.

(39:45):
But like we're not going on, anyfucking beer run.
What To me, what you mean bybest friend?
If what you mean is when I needto sort out the mysteries of
life, this is the person I talkto great.
If what you mean is we need tohave somebody who can show their
ID and get the beer, not great.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
Yeah, I think that's the sad part for me.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
I did not notice that Calvin, the father who is.
You got Calvin Clay played byKirk Ward, and you got Reggie
played by Francesco Antonio, andthen two friends.
I did not realize Calvin was inon this beer until we got
outside, so I didn't see himwalk in.
They really, if you look at thecuts, they go out of their way

(40:33):
to show the friends, but Ididn't see that the dad was even
there until later.
Uh, but I think Wayne probablyclocked it.
Um, so when they come in andReggie is kind of holding court,
he grabbed 30 rack and and andflaming hots and grab a nice bag
, I'm gonna get the blunt wraps,which is, you know, he's a big

(40:55):
shot, he's, he's gonna get theblunt wraps.
Um, uh, he goes up to thecounter, says what coach about?

Speaker 3 (41:02):
to eat mint chocolate chip and get hot as fuck like
he.
He's really like man.
We are living the fucking life.
He's still at the phase of hislife that the fact that he can
get fucked up helps him provewhat a man he is.
You know what I mean.
I drink beer, yeah, we all.

(41:23):
Okay, great, but anyway he'svery pleased with himself.
They're about to get high asfuck.
The thing he does with his lipsit's duck lips adjacent and I
couldn't stop noticing itthrough this whole episode and I
really want to thank the actorbecause it was like a constant
visual reminder of what afucking idiot this guy is.

(41:45):
And actually now, having seenthe IMDb pic of this guy, he's
like this handsome.
Whatever guy doing that withhis mouth was a brilliant choice
, but it just it made me go oh,you're an idiot got it.

Speaker 2 (41:59):
I, I fucking love the character of Reggie.
I unabashedly I adore thischaracter.
If you look at FrancescoAntonio, you see his picture.
He's svelte, he's got like whata 2% body fat.
He's a ripped motherfucker buthe's a little doughy in this.
His clothes are horrible.

(42:21):
He's got a cheap shit goldchain, he wears a gold grill, he
does the thing with his mouthand he always has a toothpick
around and he does the thingwith his, with his mouth, and he
always has a toothpick aroundand he does the thing with the
toothpick.
He's so repellent in such atrashy, obnoxious, intentional
way that, uh, you just gottastand back and go.

(42:42):
Wow, that is and, and.
Just as as a list of charactertraits, they fly in the face of
a New Englander where it's likeshow them as little as possible.
Wayne is stone faced.
It doesn't give you anything.
It couldn't be more opposite.
Yeah.

(43:03):
So he goes up to the thing andthere's this mastodon, this
giant, behind the counter.
He had a glass wall and youknow, uh, reggie's uh be, you
know, chirping at the guy, andthe guy gestures behind him.
Oh, there's actually customershere.
Uh, reggie sucks his lips likehe does and backs away and makes

(43:24):
a big show of oh.
He sees, oh, there's a uh, youknow, young guy and a young girl
behind me and he goes, oh, andthen he bows and moves away, go
right ahead like a, like abutler, entering.
You know, mr lebowski is rightthis way.
Um, and then he stares at theback of wayne's head.

(43:44):
He's not gonna fight the girl,but like he takes it personally
that they were in line behindhim and forced him to be
embarrassed somehow or whatever.
Look at him, he's just see him.
Look at him.

Speaker 3 (43:56):
But the great part is they were waiting.
If he had gotten his shit andwhatever, they weren't bothering
him.
But now to use your languageCoach, now somehow to Reggie,
they are a thing and it's likehow is he your problem?
He literally hasn't said ordone anything and now we got a
problem.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Nothing, nothing.
Reggie doesn't like it.
Reggie holds it again, staresat him while he does the thing,
smiles at the girl.
Now he's got the toothpick backin his mouth, sort of.
Does he bump Wayne Hold on, Ididn't even notice that.
Does he bump Wayne on the wayout, maybe hands and he goes up
to the counter.
And what does he say?

Speaker 4 (44:38):
boss Give me them, great swishy boys.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Yeah.
Swish are sweets for you, thoseof you who are out there
thinking about rolling a blunt.

Speaker 4 (44:48):
Yeah, that's.
The thing is that it's alwaysbeen so funny to me that a
staple of adulthood the drinkingand smoking and doing drugs and
everything else.
People will do that and it willbe on Boone's Farm strawberry
wine, like I distinctly rememberbeing 15, getting shit faced on
strawberry and I'm like whatare you doing?

(45:10):
What are you're not in, you'renot enjoying the booze.
You might enjoy being fucked upbut, you are not enjoying the
booze because 100, you'redrinking zimas, so like the
zimas I swear to god, I swear togod 100.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
It's not like I've never had one.
I just can't think of the lasttime somebody mentioned one in
my presence.
Oh, that's perfect.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I mean to be fair to my younger self.
When I was 16 or 17, I asked myolder sister's buddy to get me
and my friend some booze.
And he was like, yeah, what doyou guys like?
You're dipshits, but fine, I'llfucking get you some booze.
And I was like just a case ofwhatever.
And I met a case of beer.
Obviously, I met a case of beer, a case of any light beer, and

(45:58):
the motherfucker came over with30 Zimas 30.
And I was like what are we evensupposed to do with these?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I don't even know where to store them.
I zima, zima was what malt,liquor?

Speaker 1 (46:15):
no, no, no, no, no was it.
I thought zima was more like inthe white.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Oh no genre, yeah, but it wasn't, but isn't white
clad?
Liquor too like no, no no, no,no, wait, is it?
There's one of them where yougo where it's like you look at
the thing and you go like, oh, Ithink this is vodka, and you go
wait, no, this is actually kindof maybe I got the wrong, but
but there's a.

Speaker 4 (46:33):
There's a very popular one right now where it's
like really low and shit liquorand you're like, oh fuck, I
thought this was I'm trying tothink it might be a truly,
because, god knows, I drank acouple of truly's once and I was
like, oh, these aren't that bad.
And I woke up the once and Iwas like, oh, these aren't that
bad.
And then I woke up the nextmorning and I was like, truly,
could suck my ass, truly isgarbage.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yes, that's the whole thing is.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
People get crushed on it the next day, right, I'm
just going to go back todrinking straight bleach or
house cleaner or something,because this is bad.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well, so, Coach, what are Grape Swishy?

Speaker 3 (47:08):
Boys.
They're blunt wraps.
I mean they're like they.
They sell them.
Some of them have uh like aflavor to them, but they're like
cigar, basically cigar leaf,but like they're there to to
roll up the marijuana I.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
I've never rolled joint my life um if I had to, I
would just never, I would neversmoke.
I would just never smokebecause I was like I've seen
people like be amazing at it anddo and like yeah, and I'm like
why the fuck would I?
I will never.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
If it takes that to get to the high like there's, no
, there's absolutely no, I meanI functionally I can roll
something that we can all thenlight on fire and get high, but
it's not but what you're?
Describing is like an art formthat I'm just not.

Speaker 2 (47:53):
Some people are amazing.
They look like cigarettes.
They're perfect all the time.
No, thank you, give me thatgrave Swishy Boys.
The mastodon behind the countersays are you going to pay for
him this time?
And he says how about you bethe Swishy boys?
Get in, motherfucker, and shutthe fuck up.
Which?

(48:21):
Is what you say to aconvenience store clerk, who
wonders if you will commitlarceny in front of him again.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
I don't think it qualifies as larceny.
I think it's petty theft.
No, no, larceny is expensive.
That's a whole other thing.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Okay, well you are an accountant?
Yeah, no, larceny is expensive.
That's a whole other thing.
Okay, well, you are anaccountant.
That's not what we do.
I have no idea, no idea whatyou guys do.
So we follow Wayne and Adeleoutside.
They are having a good time.
They are completely not.
There's no thing going on withReggie, they're just like

(48:47):
whatever.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
It's like bumping in anybody else.
So I just want to point outthere's a a really cool uh
combination of what they shotand what they cut that I I liked
in terms of again sort ofaccentuating this, like we're in
this honeymoon moment with uhdell and wayne.
Where they were.
We're on dolly tracks going toour left and as they pass, as

(49:13):
the uh gas pump wipes the frame,they pop in to the closer shot,
mirroring that.
So it feels like one shot, butyou actually pop in a little
closer to them.
Even.
I just thought it was verysmooth to be in an area like
this and get that sort of getsomething that visually

(49:35):
interesting.
I thought it was impressive.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Actually, yeah, that's beautiful.
I'm glad you called that out.
So yeah, he's eating some ofthe candy.
He says it's sour, she's likeyou want some coffee, and he
takes a sip of it.
Remember how he feels aboutcoffee, boss.
It's fucking disgusting yeah,most disgusting thing he's ever
tasted in his life.
He puts it in his mouth andturns and spits it out.
He's backing away.
It doesn't look where he'sspitting, he didn't know there

(50:00):
was anything there.
And he turns.
And what has he done, coach?

Speaker 3 (50:03):
He has spit his coffee on the hood of a gold
trans.
Wait a minute.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Hold the phone.
Yeah, he did not notice ituntil this moment.
And this is also how we knowwhen Del says holy shit, she was
looking at the car pulling inand she goes they got free
coffee.
They just were totallyhead-faking us this whole time.
But Del does not know what thecar looks like.
She's somehow never seen apicture, and we know that
because the photo that wayne hadended up, uh, he accidentally

(50:37):
gave it to mr hernandez, whobrought it to the cops who
started this whole thing.
So, um, he accidentally spitson the hood of his fucking car,
yeah, basically, which happensto be behind him right.
And the thing that we seereally quickly boom, boom, boom,
boom.
We get this like the type ofsuper fast montage you get when
everyone's loading up their gunsabout to go into battle.

(50:59):
You do those quick, you know,gun going into holster, cinching
straps on you.
It's that kind of thing.
We get a shot of the rims, weget a shot of the logo, we get a
shot of the uh, the logo.
We get a shot of the keys inthe ignition, just sitting there
and we hear the dulcet tones ofreggie as he says what the fact

(51:20):
?
And now they turn around andreggie is standing up by himself
outside the gas and sip thereand he says you better clean
that shit off my car bitch.
And now we got a littleshowdown kind of vibe.
Um to the point, it really isset up.
I just want to credit theblocking here.

(51:40):
It is set up like a wild westdraw.
Okay, you have two cowpokes uhwayne Reggie, facing off against
each other.
Wayne's got his back to the car, reggie's got his back to the
gas and sip.
And you got Del in the middledoing the look back and forth
thing like inserts of herlooking back and forth.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
To completely accentuate, the fact that this
is a Wild West drop Also, Ithink as we go through the rest
of this scene.
I got from Dell.
I happen to know that I'm withthe fastest gun in the West.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Yes, so, so so.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I think that plays into the whole vibe of the scene
, because I know I was like umReggie please don't get killed
today.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
We know what's going to happen here, right, we know
Wayne is going to pull Reggie'sspine out.
That is what we know.
We've been conditioned.
The show has shown us this.
Now, one wrinkle that theydropped into episode seven,
which I thought was unnecessaryat the time.
But now that we look at it Isay, okay, they knew this.

(52:49):
They knew when you get to eightyou have to have dell know that
she's with the toughest person.
But we as the audience have tobe ahead of wayne and dell.
You never want your audience tobe right, um, ahead of the
story, but you want.
The audience has knowledge thatthe characters don't have.
That's okay, because we sawreggie go up against that guru

(53:11):
animal selling guy and beat hisass.
It was unbelievably one-sided.
And so we say reggie is not anactual pushover.
Because I'm like that's whythey put that in here, because
if we didn't.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
Yeah, we have no, there's no.
Yeah, he hasn't met hispotential match.

Speaker 2 (53:27):
Yeah yeah, right, otherwise there's no stakes.
If this is a one-sided battle,there's no stakes.
So Wayne says your car.
And it says fuck's asking,which is very Reggie.
We got some theme music.
Wayne drops his bag and makes afist and we go to the Wayne

(53:50):
title card.
Now we know what's going tohappen, chapter 8.
Must have burned like hell.
And this is it for Reggie.
That's it.
We know that, that's it.
Just a matter of it being it.
Reggie notices the fist and hesmiles.
He likes this.
You know a little action inOkala.
He thought he was just going togo have a regular day.

(54:10):
Now he gets to beat somebody'sass.
This is like awesome.
It's like such a.
He knows he's not going to losethis.
This is a fucking skinny littleputz.
You know what I mean.
He will tear this idiot apart.
This is free money, right?
Free groceries.
And so he puts in his big smile, he laughs, he puts in his

(54:32):
toothpick and he goes over andhe pulls out like a, like
D'Artagnan pulling his blade outof his scabbard.
He pulls out the I don't knowwhat you call this thing the
squeegee brush that you wipeyour windshield with windshield
brush out of the the squeegeebrush, the thing that you wipe
your windshield with windshieldbrush out of the water reservoir

(54:54):
, spraying water all over theground, and he slowly, like dope
, walks up to no hurry like moreof a strut.
If it was Coach Beard and CoachLasso talking to Nate they
would say, yeah, it's kind of astruggle Because he's rocking
his shoulders and he gets up toWayne, right up to him, chokes

(55:19):
up on the squeegee brush thingand puts the handle next to
Wayne's neck, like as if thatwas a sword.
You would just slice it and youwould slice the person's head
right.
So he's got this plastic batonthing, he's holding it down by

(55:41):
the head of it and he puts itnext to Wayne, like right on his
neck, and he leans in closeenough to sportscaster distance,
like I always say way too closeright.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And what does he say, coach?
And so he leans in.
It's all very, very tight.
And then we have clean it.
And it's definitely the toughguy move.
He is asserting I am the alphain this confrontation.
Yes, if I wanted to, I couldkiss you, I could do anything I

(56:17):
want.
And now I'm telling you toclean it.
So definitely tense moment.
And we move on from there andWayne is making a decision.
We know what this could be.
He looks over at Reggie andthen he takes it and he claims
it.
And I I knew he was going toclean it.

(56:41):
I don't know how I knew that,but I was like he's not ready,
he didn't expect the car now.
He's not ready for the big movenow.
So the only way out of this isto clean it.
So I actually I sort of foundmyself like okay, good, good,
good, that's smart boy Wayne.
I think that's what it was.
It was more of me going likesmart boy Wayne, you don't have

(57:02):
to rip his spine out this exactsecond Like don't forget the
mission.
So, yeah, second, like don'tforget the mission.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
So yeah, so that's that.
So he's cleaning it off and youcan see, dell is like.
I hated the fact you did callit.
I heard by your noises as youwatched it that you knew he was.
Oh really, you're like, you'relike yep, yep, okay, yeah, like
you had.
You knew you were not fooled.
They set everything up thatthis was going to be a big fight
and and they, they pulled backat the last second, to the the
point where Adele looks aroundlike ugh.

Speaker 3 (57:29):
Yeah, like you, let this guy punk you.
You can kind of see there's adisappointment.
I don't know what the rightword is, but she definitely.
She would have been a lot morecomfortable and she would have
expected, at the very least, tofuck off if you clean it.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
It's like watching your man be, humbled, but to the
point where, when Wayne cleansit, reggie turns around and
smiles at her.

Speaker 3 (57:52):
Oh no, this is a whole thing, yeah, that is so.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
what a fucking cock it is like.
Anyway, I was like what a move.
I laughed so hard when Inoticed that he had looked at
her as part of it.

Speaker 3 (58:11):
Then the geniuses come out, the genius brigade.
No way you can chug a beer intwo seconds.
He says, not in my mouth, whichI was like oh, I've been at
some wild parties, but JesusChrist.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I want to just point out casual diversity that we
talked about.
There's a black friend, there'sa white friend.
Calvin is the whit.
I want to just point out casualdiversity that we talked about.
Yes, you know there's a blackfriend, there's a white friend.
Calvin is the whitest, the mostdisgusting man he's like.
If you put in like horrible,white, maga nightmare, like a
picture of Calvin comes up.
You know you're just like, ohGod, like he's just awful, awful

(58:47):
.
And then Reggie I don't knowReggie.
And then Reggie, I don't know.
Reggie seems to have someLatino, I don't know.
Like Reggie has something.
He doesn't seem like just ageneric white kid.
So I'm like there's all thismix of different nationalities
in here and cultures and so butthey do it casually.
I just like it's like, this iswhat it is.
I remember the first time Iwent down South and I was young

(59:09):
and I was worried about racismand stuff like that, and I
remember someone from the Southsaying no, you guys are way more
racist up there because we haveblack friends and because we
don't notice it.
We don't like it's not like wedon't see color, but like we're
just all in the same thing andso.
But you guys would know you'dbe like oh, I have a black
friend, I call out my black andbe like oh, I have a black

(59:34):
friend I'm gonna call out myblack friend like we don't what
the fuck?
you'll never hear somebody downhere say that, because we're all
together in the community.
You know up there, you knowthat, that, um, it's it's like
way, way, uh, you know, moredivided, whatever, and I think
that's 100 true.
Um, so that's why I had a blackperson on the show.
Yeah, obviously, and so, butyeah, I do like that, it's just

(59:57):
like, but it's like an unspokenthing they both look like
fucking idiots.
It's not like they do the thingwhere the black guy kind of
looks like a cool guy and thewhite kid looks like a dirtbag.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
They both look like idiots.
They take orders from Reggie,so you already know like okay,
we're pretty far down the foodchain here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
Right, right.
So they get in the car rightbehind Wayne and Calvin, the dad
he stops and looks at Wayne,which I just took as a general.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
They're always looking for trouble moment, but
something will come up laterthat makes me go.
He stopped and looked at himfor a reason.
He doesn't even know why yet.
But he was like wait a minute.
So anyway, we'll come back toit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
There's something familiar about Wayne.
He's like who is this guy?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
So then we get the tires screeching off and dell's
watching them, but they'rehaving a very different
situation.
Now.
What the fuck was that?
Dell says because I know youdidn't just let that guy push
you around and he says that wasmy dad's car.
And she responds as she shouldbut it was hilarious.

(01:01:07):
Are you fucking kidding me?
That that's the car, the onethat's driving away?
Like she is apoplectic.
It was gold.
Like she's learning all thisshit right now.
Um, and she's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, you never told me you never told me it was
fucking gold, like what the fucklike.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
She's like, really like, oh my god.
Oh my god, like we're here.
Like we said we were gonna goget the car and we're here and
we got the car.
You know um, oh my god whatwe're here.
We said we were going to go getthe car and we're here and we
got the car.
Oh my God, what the fuck.
She keeps going back to Wayneand then going look out down the
road.
After it Came all the way tofucking Florida for you to let
that fucking car get away.
Interesting.
How the hell are we going tofind them now?

(01:01:44):
You know what reminded me ofher promotion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
She starts going up and down like jittery, back and
forth.
She's looking at the car,looking back and looking at the
car it reminded me of, likethose old cartoons, there's
gonna be way.
These are ancient cartoons.
There's like a scrappy littledog and a big dog.
Yes, it's like hey, hey, it waslike that exact energy, to the
point where boss laughed justwhen she saw dell's like that's,

(01:02:08):
like, oh my god, that's thefucking guy.
It was that that kind of energy.
And boss laughed out loudbecause it was like so funny in
the moment, like wayne is sostoic and just reserved, and and
she's like what?
Just we were just having a goodtime, you know, you had sour
patch kids or whatever.
You're having a little coffee,you spit all of a sudden, then
you back down for some reason.

(01:02:29):
What's going on?
And then the reveal happens andshe, you know, follows it.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
It's also fun and boss.
I'd be curious if this playedinto it for you.
We have watched Del experiencequite a wide range of things and
she's never seemed flustered.
She may have seemed upset orunhappy, but I've never.

(01:02:55):
I don't, I can't remember amoment in this show where I felt
like she was.
You know what do I do now?
Like even being told that hermother died.
So I think also that energyfrom her is more funny, because
you watch somebody bite yourfather's nose off and you didn't
freak out, but this took youover the edge.

Speaker 4 (01:03:16):
You know she didn't get flustered when she found out
her mom died.
But when her mom told her tolie at the pool the beginning of
that episode and she didn'tknow how to do it, she did get a
little bit flustered notexcited flustered but she was.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
But yeah, so didn't know how to do it.
She did get a little bitflustered, not excited flustered
, but she was yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
So I think it might go into.
You're saying coach is wrong,then no, well, obviously it's
like calling out coach.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
It's like making coach look dumb in front of
everybody that listens.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
Well, I got to lay off you sometime, but I think
the point, part of what it wasfor me, is that this might be a
situation where she feelscomfortable enough having
somebody else have her back,that she doesn't feel like she
needs to hold everything downall the time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
That's a really good point.
So actually, that the abilityto show flustered is actually a
testament to the trust.

Speaker 4 (01:04:08):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yes, I get that.
I didn't read it that way, butI totally get that I thought.
I thought she she thinks they'reon a mission and the mission is
right, she can get to the endof the she, we know she has
reservations about the mission.
The mission could be over rightnow.
Like this second oh my god,like we're at the end, like you
know what I mean that just openthe chest and we'll get the gold
.
And.
And we're like why are we?

(01:04:29):
How are we going to find it?
Why'd you let him go?
Like you know, we're going tocome to find out in this episode
about the mission itself andbut she at least, is amped up to
finish the purported mission.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
Well, you know I was just saying over the weekend
that, from a physicalperspective, anxiety and
excitement register the same,that it's all entirely on how
you feel about the individualthing.
But your heart rate is elevated, your blood is pumping harder,
you are sweating like you arereacting to something in the

(01:05:05):
same way.
It's just how you frame it.
So she might be flustered, shemight be excited, she might not
be entirely sure what she feels.
She knows that this is the carand her thinking is we need to
get the car, while we can't,like from a practical standpoint
, we don't know who thesemotherfuckers are.
You have a postcard that seemsto be gone, like before we do

(01:05:28):
anything else, we need this carin order to get to the beach,
and you just let the car go.
So what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
I love that.
I love that.
I love how you talk about, howthe feeling of anxiety and
excitement.
I want to point out somethingbecause you, you pants coach a
minute ago.
I want to give coach somecredit.
So my daughter, just as she's incollege, she had an interview.
She wants to work in women'ssoccer.
She had her very firstinterview of her life with a

(01:05:57):
women's soccer professionalsoccer team soccer.
She had her very firstinterview of her life with a
women's soccer professionalsoccer team and and they hired
her in the room and I was sofired up, we were so excited for
her.
So she's been working for oneof these teams we're talking
about that that you know playsevery week and has pros and
she's got a great job, um, whileshe's in school, like a
part-time job with the team.
But you know you get your footin the door and you work your
way up and do all that kind ofstuff.

(01:06:17):
But she had never interviewedbefore.
She was sick.
She's got a coach Bishop kindof energy.
As far as like anxiety, she'salways nervous, um, and she
killed it and then she was superanxious after that and I
remember and I was like I couldnot, as someone who doesn't have
that type of anxiety.
I was like you know, this iswhen you celebrate, like.
So I, I was like you know, thisis when you celebrate.

(01:06:38):
So I reached out to Coach andall my best friends, who we call
her uncles, and I was likeuncles assemble Let her know
that it's okay to enjoy this andcelebrate.
And Coach said to me here's thething, man, when it comes to
anxiety, the only thing worsethan not getting what you want
is getting what you want,because now it just adds a whole
new level of anxiety, a wholenew set of anxiety, a whole new

(01:06:59):
set of problems, a whole new setof shit that could go wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I got a whole.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
Yeah, that's crazy, yeah right, Right, and that was
nuts to me.
That was that's trulyborderline insane to me, until I
heard it.
And then it was like crystalclear and I told my daughter
that and she's like that'sexactly what I heard it.
And then it was like crystalclear and I told, I told my
daughter that and she's likethat's exactly what.

(01:07:23):
I'm experiencing.
She's like I am going to try tocelebrate.
I really do think you have totake a minute to, you know,
appreciate whatever.
But, like you know, they toldher you know what she's got to
wear and how she's got to, whereshe's got to park and it's this
whole new group of things andyou know.
So anyway, I thought it wasfascinating the way that anxiety
manifests itself, especially ifyou're looking from the outside
and trying to make sense of itfor someone else or your anxiety

(01:07:45):
doesn't match up.
It's good to be mindful of that.
So, thank you, coach.
That was beautiful.
Love that kid.
Yeah, she's a good one.
She's a good one, it's going tobe good.
So we get Ade Del trying to sayhow do we find him?
Wayne has an idea.
He goes back in the store, intothe five-star gas bar and walks

(01:08:08):
out with, I believe, a receipt,right?
Do you think that's what he is?
That what you guys thought hedid?

Speaker 3 (01:08:13):
I wasn't sure.
I thought receipt and then Ithought you know who's not a
huge fan of Reggie the guybehind the counter.
I could totally see him beinglike oh them, here's where they
went.
I hope you bring trouble rightalong with you to them.
I could 100% see that.
But yes, it was a little pieceof paper.

(01:08:35):
It did look like a receipt.

Speaker 4 (01:08:37):
Which is precisely the reason why being uh, mean
indiscriminately is the worstthing you could do.
So I, I am.
I am in full favor of beingmean when it is called for, but
again, this is why I want mydate to be mean to me and nice
to the waitress.
Because, number one, that's myjam.

(01:08:57):
Number two, it also shows anactual emotional intelligence
that you do not mistreat peoplewho could bring you food just
that simple.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
I'm always amazed by that moment.
What the hell are you crazy?
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
yeah, are you crazy I know I do the same thing.
Are you crazy?
Do you like other people's like?
What are you?

Speaker 4 (01:09:19):
doing yeah outside of the.
They could spit in your food ordo whatever else.
I don't know how often waitstaff actually do that, just
because of how bad it couldbreak like.
You need to be pretty above andbeyond an asshole in order for
that to be worth it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
But um it's, it's not gonna stop a sneeze it's not
gonna stop.
I dropped this potato on theground.
There's plenty.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
I'm just saying like it's not, I think more to the
point is don't you have nicewarm feelings about people who
are about to bring you food,like I?
I will fully admit, um, theboyfriend is sometimes accused
of flirting with waitresses, oreven like at the fast food place
, and he's like no, I just, Ijust really like them, like
they're giving me food.

(01:10:02):
They're my favorite person forthat few minutes because I'm
about to eat I love that I thinkhe's just flirting.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
I think he's sick of you.
Oh um, all right, I know we'removing through this?

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
did I tell you you about when I got, when I was
jealous of the flirting?
It was at a Culver's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
No, please, I was extremely jealous the so here's
the thing, and I went.

Speaker 4 (01:10:31):
We went to great America with my family my
siblings, my mom doesn't go, shedoesn't do roller coasters.
We went to great America withmy family.
We went to Culver's outside ofthe park for lunch and the
cashier was flirting, flirting.
He was being nice, she wasflirting, uh, and she was like,
oh, and did you want the rootbeer float with that?

(01:10:51):
And he was like, no, just apop's, fine, it's regular.
And then when they brought thefood to the table, she was like,
oh, I'm sorry, I accidentallyincluded the root.
I didn't charge you for it, buthere's the root, so like here,
that's nice, that's so nice andI was pissed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
I was fucking pissed, I was did you get up and throw
it at her?

Speaker 4 (01:11:11):
no, uh, because immediately my older sister was
like are you jealous?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
and I was like yes, of course I am and she was like
I cannot believe that.
Do you think that he's gonna goon a date with the cashier at?

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
the culvers that he just was like are you jealous?
And I was like yes, of course Iam.
And she was like I cannotbelieve that.
Do you think that he's gonna goon a date with the cashier at
the culvers that he just met?
And the boyfriend was like no,she is jealous that she didn't
get a root beer float.

Speaker 3 (01:11:31):
And I was like yes exactly right and he was right I
was like what the fuck is wrongwith me?

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
what's going on?
I can't get cheese cur.
I'm not hot enough for an extrafry.
The hell, it's bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
It's absolute bullshit.
I'm being flooded by an emotionI can't even name.
I mean, oh my god.
I was so angry, you know,usually at some point in the
story I'm like, oh, we mightland over here.
You landed and I was like wait,where the fuck am I?
What's going on here?
What the fuck happened here?
I was so pissed.

Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
No, that's the total boss.
That's so funny.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Boss, listen, I know I give you a hard time.
That's so goddamn funny.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
But I want to say I want to validate this for you
and say you are just hot enoughto deserve a free food.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
It doesn't make any sense to me yeah.
So there's no, there's no, yeahno, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
So we're somewhere in georgia and, uh, we cut to uh a
butthole, tommy cole, inorlando.
They're in a car, countrymusic's playing on the stereo.
Orlando, it's hystericalbetween the two of them.
This was just uh, after theseriousness of that scene, this
is just ridiculousness.
Orlando goes check it thosetwins posted something, look,

(01:12:44):
and he puts the phone.
I mean, oh my God, coach, oneinch from Tommy Cole's face
while he's driving Like in hisdirect Like, not even that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
Like you shouldn't distract the driver, like you
certainly shouldn't blindfoldthe driver.
Like, what are you doing?
But yes, it's like one inchfrom his nose and Tommy Cole is
not very happy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:09):
Hey, I'm driving and he shoves his hand out of his
face.
Coach yelled out loud and he'slike what the fuck?
Like what the?

Speaker 3 (01:13:16):
fuck, that really was crazy, though.
Like what the like?
That really was crazy, though.
Like sure, tommy Cole reacts tosome things, but this one I was
like, oh, I'm 100% with him.
Like what the fuck are youdoing so?

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
that's just crazy.
And then we get a beautifullittle thing.
They distract you with that.
So while you're laughing, theysneak in some exposition.
Oh, the twins just posted fromRichmond, where's that?
And he says I guess somewherearound Richmond Hill.
And Orlando says and that's anhour and a half drive behind us,
right, well, good, that meanswe're that much closer to

(01:13:48):
Florida.
So now, thankfully, as akindness, they say okay, I'm
losing track of where everybodyis.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
Where are these guys Right?

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yeah, so they hook us up.
Well, that good.
That means we're that muchcloser to florida, uh, than
those neanderthals.
That's good, that's, that'spositive.
Uh, says tommy, call, we'recoming for you, wayne.
Orlando starts screaming we'recoming for you, wayne.
Out of the blue, which, afterone second later, like he had
just put the phone in front ofhis face, then he does silence

(01:14:18):
to a full scream and Tommy Coleflips out again.
Hey, you can't yell at thedriver Like what the hell Right?
And he's screaming at him LikeJesus Christ.
And Orlando says geez, you know, this hospital's hashtag has
got some wild shit on it, damn.

(01:14:39):
He says this used to be adude's face.
Look, puts it in his face again.
Like did not learn anythingLike at all At all.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, boss, read.
Can you just what does TommyCole say Now, the third time in
what ten seconds that Orlandohas rattled him in some way?

(01:15:02):
What does he say?

Speaker 4 (01:15:03):
get that thing out of my fucking face.
I'm fucking driving Orlando.
Jesus Christ, you're gonnafucking kill both of us and to
which Orlando says shoot threefucks in the lord's name in vain
.
What's wrong with you?

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
three fucks.

Speaker 3 (01:15:19):
I found that really a very specific um expression of
that and I thought it was liketelling us about we're gonna you
know about his, about orlando'supbringing as a character
because, like sure that that'swhat his ear was tuned to, and
especially coming from an adultthat he was like whoa, we are

(01:15:40):
way off the rails here.
Like that's what his ear wastuned to, and especially coming
from an adult that he was likewhoa, we are way off the rails
here.
Don't talk like that.
I thought that was interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Yeah, and it's enough of a thing that Tommy Cole says
I'm sorry, but I'm starving.
Why is nothing open?
Maybe because we're in theBible Belt on a Sunday.
Orlando said nothing's open.
I gotta eat soon, once my bloodsugar dips.
Uh, I'm just not my usual funloving self.

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Tommy call us I laughed out loud, I know I know,
you heard me laugh on that onebecause I my usual fun loving
self, did tickle me.
Um, yeah, I thought again whensometimes we point to the
mechanics of creating things,excuse me, um, for those who are
writers, they'll, they'll,they'll note this.
I go through life noticing somereally random things and a lot

(01:16:32):
of times I'm I'm filing themlike oh, I can put that in a
story one day.
Like I remember going to shedaquarium to to shout out uh,
bosses, chicago, and seeing andlights and this and that, and it
was glass, mine, and I would goyeah, we should shoot in here
one day.
Like this is like you know.
And so I feel like, as they weretalking about driving south and

(01:16:54):
what are they gonna bump intoand whatever, on a list of like
shit you wouldn't guess if youhaven't been, is you can't get
anything on a fucking sun booze,forget it.
Like you're.
That's truly hit or miss.
But like shit closes.
I remember, um, I was inatlanta and the talking about

(01:17:15):
getting groceries on easter andpeople were like, oh, you better
check which one or which onesare open or if they're open, and
me kind of needing a beat.
I always celebrated Easter, butI grew up in fucking Brooklyn.
They don't give a fuck.
The shit's open 366 days a year.
They don't give a fuck.

(01:17:35):
But yeah, it's a real thing.

Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
Listen, it's a different world.
And if you're a European oryou're from a blue state and you
like just the level of Jesus onTV or the billboards where it
says oh yeah, like, you cannotbelieve it, like you go, I do
not understand, like, and it'sjust part of the tapestry.
Now it's like how everybodylives and it's just part of the
tapestry.
Now it's like how everybodylives and it's just the way.

(01:18:00):
But uh, it is, it is cultureshock.
You just cannot believe theamount of religion in your face
and how and you know, listen, itdoesn't.
I guess I say in your facebecause I have a perspective on
it, it's just the way.

Speaker 3 (01:18:13):
But but well, yeah, I mean, I get what you're saying.
I'm glad you made thedistinction, because you can
make the observation without ajudgment.
I guess what I would.
What I would say, though, inaddition to that, though, is how
little choice you have in in,in, in behaving in ways that
align with a certain religion,so like, if I'm Jewish, let's

(01:18:38):
say, let's say I'm an Orthodox,say I'm an Orthodox Jew, so I
can't be here from Sunday, Imean from sundown on Friday to
sundown on Saturday and youclose everything on fucking
Sunday.
You're killing me.
I'm just making that up.
I don't know anybody who that'shappened to, but you know what
I mean.
Part of it too, and it being onthe billboard and it being here

(01:19:01):
and it being there, and ifyou're on the high school
football team, you're going tosay that kind of prayer is, I
mean, whether we want to call itin your face and and that may
seem like impolite or judgythere is a, there is a level of.
This is how we live, period.

Speaker 2 (01:19:22):
So yeah, this is how we live, period.
So, yeah, well, it creates atribal thing.
It's an us versus them.
So again, it's ubiquitous.
And if it, you're not, you'renot seeing um billboards for
Allah and you're not seeing um,absolutely not for Buddha.
You know, you're not.
It's just one sort of thing.
Um and uh, you know, uh.
Orlando says listen, if you gettired, I can drive.
He says you're not driving,we're not doing that.

(01:19:45):
Tommy Cole's not going to haveyou drive.
All right, look, you need a hotmeal at any time of the day,
guaranteed.
Orlando says there's only oneplace for you to go.
And did you guys know where hewas going with that?

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
I did not but as soon as they cut to the shot of
their lonely car in that uhgentlemen's club, uh parking lot
, I thought, oh god yeah, yeah,they're parked in front of the
diamonds, gentlemen's always Iused to have a joke about that,
where it's like the, theaudacity of calling strip clubs
gentlemen's clubs is justhilarious to me.

(01:20:19):
Like pitching a tent in yourkhakis is the height of
gentlemanly behavior.
What the fuck are we talkingabout?

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
well, anyway, it's always the least fancy place
that has the fanciest names umyes, yeah, that's a real thing.
Yes, yes, yes for chicagoans ofa certain age.
There was a dance club downtownbut I think, let like if you
were 19 and up they would letyou in.
Uh, and it was called x caliberand it's like yeah, that's not.

(01:20:49):
Yeah, the sort of like I'm superglad I'm in such a fancy place
where this guy's grinding hisboner into my back.
This is this is wearing pantsthat are so flammable they could
light on fire by themselves,Like the cheapest polyester you
could possibly find.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
Here at Excalibur.

Speaker 4 (01:21:09):
Yes, yeah, no, that's Also.
I thought they were definitelygoing to a Waffle House, but I
misread that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
That I specifically thought Waffle.
House.
It's got to be Waffle House.
Which could work for the kindof story we're telling, because
there's even in real life.
I hear Waffle House stories andI'm like Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
I still regularly watch the clip of the brawl that
broke out in the Waffle Houseand somebody whips a chair over
the counter and the Waffle Houseemployee catches it and sets it
down but like just beside her,like plucks it out of the air
and straight down it's you gotto share that this is not my

(01:21:50):
first time having a chair thrownat me, yeah, Like come on what
the fuck yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
it's fucking incredible, completely insane.
So we're in front of Diamond'sGentleman Club.
I want to point out that atDiamond's, amateur night is
every Monday.
You can get up on stage, evenif you're an amateur, and show
everybody your body.
I think that's good.
This is a real egalitarian moveby the part of Diamond's
Gentleman.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Club you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
You never know it could be a big break.
A strip club you want me to eatfood in a strip club and now we
get the meet cute moment wherethe couple doesn't like each
other at first and then theyfind out they're a match made in
heaven.
Butthole.
Tommy Cole says there's zerochance that I'm going in there

(01:22:37):
and even less of a chance thatyou are.
It's not funny, orlando, I toldyou about my blood sugar and
I'm serious.
I'm hungry and you bring me toa strip club and he's huffing
and puffing and so he takes abig breath in through his nose.
Which, what?
What are those?
A faint whiff coach?

(01:22:58):
Ridiculous.

Speaker 3 (01:23:02):
Wait, what?
What are those?
A faint whiff, coach,ridiculous.
Wait, jesus, he goes.
Jesus, are they making ribs inthere?
Like everything pivots, likehis whole, like he.
He now is looking almostadoringly at the fucking
building now, like a minute ago.
He's like on a rant.
Are they making ribs in there?
Yeah, but you just watch ithappen.
He's like there are ribs inthere.
I A pole, a pole, yeah, but youjust watch it happen.
He's like there are ribs inthere.
I don't give a shit if this kidsees all the tits in the world.

(01:23:25):
That smells delicious.

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
So there we go.
If you ever want to understandaddiction and you don't
understand it right you justplay this moment with this pivot
.
Where he goes from there is no.
Are they making ribs?
I think they got a smoker goingin there.
He smells again.
I think the strip club has asmoker, he says and he turns

(01:23:48):
with a huge smile, rubs Orlandoon the head Orlando goes.

Speaker 3 (01:23:52):
Hey, he goes, all right, all right.
Now they're celebrating.
Now we're now.
Not only am I not angry withyou, you're a good kid.

Speaker 2 (01:24:01):
Good job, buddy.
Celebrating now.
We're now.
Not only am I not angry withyou, you're a good kid.
Good job, buddy, good job.
And what does he say?

Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
you actually laughed at this, but just real quick,
we'll just go in quick, like Imean, you're taking a child to a
fucking strip club, right?
I don't think whether you sayfive minutes or 20 minutes or an
hour is the issue.
Yeah, what?

Speaker 2 (01:24:15):
the fuck.
Just one.
We won't have the whole line,yeah exactly, it's a little okay
, it's a little cookie, it's alittle.

Speaker 4 (01:24:20):
It's a little.
I'm just going to drop in for asecond.
I would like to mention that inChicago, illinois, one of my
favorite falafel places is inthe back of a jewelry store For
some reason Oasis Cafe.
I fucking love that you have towalk past the rings in order to
get to the falafel.
It's still delicious.

(01:24:40):
And also one time I was drivingback from Virginia and stopped
in near Huntington, westVirginia.
There are podcasters who I lovewho are originally from there.
I tweeted at them what do I getfor lunch?
And they said get the barbecuefrom this gas station.
And I trusted them.
And they said get the barbecuefrom this gas station.

(01:25:00):
And I trusted them and theywere right.
So I'm not saying that it'sright to bring a child into a
strip club, but there is adecent chance.
The strip club has the bestfood in the Tri-County area.

Speaker 3 (01:25:12):
I'd like to nominate.
I'm not saying that it's rightto bring a child into a strip
club for our t-shirt line that'son the way one of these days.
That's a very specific sentence.

Speaker 4 (01:25:25):
That is also a very good reason.
The other day, castleton said Iwould make a great parent and I
feel like I would just put thatt-shirt on and then everyone
would understand how untrue thatis.

Speaker 2 (01:25:40):
Listen, I told you I think you would do it very
differently, but I don't imagineyou would be a bad grader.
I can't say that.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
I agree.
Jokes aside, you would be agood mom, but I also understand
that there's a non-zero chancethat there's going to be one
first grader makingslit-your-throat jokes in class.

Speaker 4 (01:26:03):
You're talking about our blood guy, the family blood
guy, the family blood guy.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
I would call my mom's blood guy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
So these guys end up at the.
They end up at the, whateverthe address that they got from
the Macedon, and right away, bam, there's the car.
Gotta admit it's pretty cool,holy shit.
Del says Gotta admit it'spretty cool.
They're looking through thewindow.
All right, here's what we'regoing to do.
They're leaned in lookingthrough the passenger side

(01:26:31):
window.
We are looking Camera is in thedriver's seat looking that
direction.
Through them, through thewindow and then to them behind
them is a sort of a reallydepressing uh, you know, sort of
a great florida-esque jasonmendoza level.

Speaker 3 (01:26:50):
Uh, swan jason mendoza definitely knows these
guys, no question right forthose of you who aren't familiar
with.
Jason Mendoza.
That's a character from theoft-suggested Good Place, but at
any rate good guy.
He's from Jacksonville and heis a stone-cold idiot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
And so Del comes up with a plan.
It's an old car so I canhotwire it.
Get in the passenger side, laylow.
And as she's giving this, she'sgot a plan.
She's got it.
Here's what we do, right?
Wayne has turned away.
He's got his back to her andshe's still whispering.
She's looking in the car.
She doesn't see that he'sturned away.

Speaker 3 (01:27:32):
I love when in shows in general and probably I've
mentioned shit like this ahundred times where they help us
with what the characters aredoing, to like get the entire
dynamic, and that level of okay,here's what we're gonna do, is
definitely what you do.
When the characters are alltogether and they're lined up,

(01:27:54):
it's the huddle before the caper, and imagine if you're watching
oceans 11 and some guy's likeoh, that's my phone, wait what?
Like?
We're doing the plan now, soit's visually.
Then he turns, he faces awaylike they are officially not
together anymore at this momentabsolutely right, absolutely

(01:28:18):
right, right.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
It's visually it.
It.
It sets that right up, coach,excellent, love it.
Um.
And she turns.
She sees we'll be out herebefore they can say what the
fuck?
And then she turns and she goeswayne and he is now looking at
the party and we get an insertof those ass hats.
Reggie is pulling off a bong.

(01:28:43):
You got guys with socks andsandals.
It's so dirty and gross.
I don't mean to be talk aboutbeing judgmental, I'm not trying
to be.
I would be curious if it didn'tlook like you know, like you
know, hepatitis was on every.
It is.

(01:29:04):
So it's such a.
It's not even like a version of, like a dingy, like kid party.
It's this, it's just.
I don't even know.
I can't process it Like,because there's like tires and
heavy equipment and real shittybent wires.

Speaker 4 (01:29:18):
I feel like I need to .
No shitty bent wire.
Here's where I need to jump in,because this, I don't want to
make this into a thing.
I don't need to have afollow-up on this later, but
you're sounding a littlejudgmental.
They have a rug on the ground.
I don't know how much fancieryou want them to make it.
They've.
They've got the spool table.
They're doing their best.

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
They got the same spool table Right.
That is an industrial hosespool that they have turned into
a table, like you do.
You know what?
I didn't even notice that thelovely Persian rug on the ground
.

Speaker 4 (01:29:56):
And to make sure that there isn't any garbage on that
rug, they have a full-on metaltrash can just off the side of
it, so you could throweverything away like a gentleman
.

Speaker 2 (01:30:07):
That's a 50-gallon drum, rusty 50-gallon drum, the
type that hobos poke holes inand make heat in.
So, yes, it is a scene.
Wayne looks at this.
She's like are you listening tome?
He goes, yeah, yeah, Hotwire.
And he hands her his backpackand she goes what are you doing?

(01:30:30):
And he just starts walkingtowards the group.
She goes Wayne, no one knewthey were there.
This could have been over,right.
What is happening?
Right, and she knows how tohotwire, which I mean?
I yeah, you know what's funny isI don't know how to hotwire.
You know how to hotwire?

Speaker 3 (01:30:46):
I do not know how to hotwire a car.
I mean, I've, theoretically,I've been, I've heard it
described, but I've never.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
Yeah, I boss.
What about you?
You guys?
You know it's, it's, it's, uh,no, no boss in in uh middle
america.
They didn't uh, yeah, no, yeah,I thought, coach mitten
flatbush, they may have, uh mayhave been a starter starter,
starter class flatbush I got acub.

Speaker 3 (01:31:14):
Scout racism I had, I got a cub scout badge and
racism when I grew up.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Um, uh, yeah, okay, all right.
So, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know either, but delldoes and that's the thing, and I
believe it.
I believe bobby would haveshown her.
Somebody would have shown hervery clearly.
Um, seems like a prerequisite.
You know, there's certainthings you want to make sure
your kids know.
Some people it's algebra, somepeople it's uh, it's gone in 60
seconds.
So but Wayne grabs a six-packof beer, walks into the middle

(01:31:42):
of the party, no less making aspectacle of himself than when
he slid in in the pink suit.
He's like I am on display hereright, pulls off one of the cans
and holds it up, staring atReggie.
Off one of the cans and holdsit up, staring at reggie.

(01:32:04):
Now reggie is exhaling a big uh, sucked in a bunch of a bunch
of weed, uh, from the bong,exhales it and kind of like
looks at wayne and he's like hey, he laughs, he goes, oh shit,
it's coffee boy.
And wayne drops their beer andsteps on, just heals, heals it
and pops the beer.
So they're looking at him likethat's weird.
No one really reacts at first,probably because they're high,

(01:32:24):
um, and then he does it againafter the second one.
Somebody says fucker yo, whatyou doing with our beers.
Homie, like the big, the lankywhite kid with gray I just love
these details.
There's a ton of acid wash inthis scene which is near and
dear to my heart.
The kid that says what youdoing?

(01:32:45):
Homie the thin white kid.
He's got the tribal tattooaround his bicep, which I just I
can't love it enough.
It is so painful.
It is so painful.
It's like they hit all thesebeautiful things and he's got
tube socks on that are gray tubesocks with a red and blue
single band around the top ofthe blue sock and then he's got

(01:33:07):
them in sandals or some kind ofCoach.

Speaker 3 (01:33:12):
I'm not convinced those were gray socks when he
bought them Is all I'm going tosay.
Yeah, I think they're reallydingy socks and I actually noted
that it was like, wow, so we,we can, we can, we can study
that later.

Speaker 2 (01:33:25):
I don't want to slow us down about the dingy socks it
is the kind of gray where you,where, uh, your whites are
thrown in with your darks over aperiod of time.
It does have that tinge to ittoo.
So, yeah, um, but anyway, theystep up.
They.
It's not reggie, it's like his,his, uh, minions are up, the
same two minions that were atthe gas.
And step, the, the, the, the.

(01:33:47):
There's a one black guy, onewhite guy.
They got their hats askew, um,and now everyone's looking at
him.
Like after the first beer therewere two guys at wayne's back
say what's this guy doing?
I don't know, man, it was verylow, but you could hear it.
Wayne now drops the third beerand he's just doing it for
Reggie.
And now four.
He goes hey, you touch one morebeer, I'm going to kick your

(01:34:09):
ass, bro.
So now four beers are.
He has now popped them with hisheel under his foot and Reggie
now says what, what does he sayunder his foot?
And Reggie now says what, whatdoes he say, boss?

Speaker 4 (01:34:20):
It's tea time, motherfuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:34:23):
Which is what you say before you start a fight.

Speaker 4 (01:34:26):
It's tea time, motherfuckers, none of it makes
any sense and I thought aboutwhether it's T-E-A or T-E-E.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
Either way what?
The fuck are we talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:34:37):
Everybody knows those super badass golfers slash the
British.
None of it makes any sense.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34:45):
Time for Earl Grey to ride in to the rescue.
But close to that, dale goes,wayne and Reggie goes.
Let's get this party started.
And out comes Camomile.
He says come on, camomile, showthem what O'Connell's all about
.
And out comes this giant.

Speaker 3 (01:35:10):
Yeah, he's a head taller than everybody else, but
he does have on a fishnett-shirt, so I don't know what to
do.

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
He got a fishnet t-shirt with a a cut-off sleeve,
lumberjack um, uh like a uhplaid lumberjack shirt with the
sleeves cut off, but a meshblack t-shirt he's jacked.
Under it he's got thecompulsory um, uh bad chain and
he's like a big boy too.

(01:35:38):
And he's also indistinguishablerace sort of.
He looks like a what is it?
He's like black, but he's gotthat beard that has a real tight
knit to it.
You're like, oh is he?
I don't know, it's just likethis, you know again all these
different sort of cultural notes.
And he stands right up to wayne.

(01:36:01):
Uh, reggie calls out you'refucked, you fucked up.
Now coffee boy.
And and wayne, undaunted, takesthe fifth beer, drops it in
front of camomile and heals ityeah what reggie?
Yells you shouldn't have donethat bitch.
And Wayne just stands there.
And then what happens here,coach?

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
And Camel Mile throws a right-handed haymaker and it
is quite a punch.
I mean he sits down on it, heturns.
I mean this is he knocks theshit out of Wayne, wayne goes
down.

Speaker 2 (01:36:36):
I want to point out that it's the kind of punch,
it's a very on this.
Yes, ok, you ever watch whenpeople throw a cricket ball.
They throw it full straight armoverhead, like it's like
straight up.
It always feels weird to mebecause we also have a bent arm
Right.
We just like in this country.
But the cricket they do thatthat straight arm throw.

(01:36:57):
This guy comes at Wayne withhis swing is straight.
It's almost like his fist iscompelled by centripetal force.
It just crushes Wayne and Waynegoes down right away.
It is a huge hit.

Speaker 3 (01:37:14):
Yeah, if I were going to critique Wayne's fighting
style, because he's a tough kid,you don't have to let them hit
you.
That's not part of that's not arule.
If somebody throws a punch,they deserve to land it we
learned that in the first minuteof the show.

(01:37:34):
Anyway, he takes the shot, hegoes down, he comes back up
because he's Wayne.
He spits blood as if whateverlike this is nothing to me and
he says to chamomile I neverdropped your beer.
This is when reggie realizesthis guy might be different and
he says what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (01:37:55):
right, yeah, everybody was surprised that he.

Speaker 3 (01:37:56):
Well, yeah, everyone's yeah, everybody
thinks he's done Like this.
Whatever this is, it's over,camille ended this guy.
He gets back up, says he neveropened his beer and then, once
he got back up, I knew that beerwas going into my man's face.
I didn't realize he was goingto swing it like that.
I thought he was going to throwit.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Oh, so he swung it like a flail, like an old school
flail.
He uses the six-pack containerto get force and then, underhand
, chamomile, chamomile, boss,visibly cringed.
I knew it was coming and I knewthat.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
That was why he kept the last one on there.
I knew he was going to swing itout.
Also, I understand your pointto Wayne.
You don't need to let them hityou.
But the non-badass analogy isin Spelling Bees, when they make
you spell the other person'sword and then your own before
you could win.
He will let you take a swingand he will be strong enough

(01:39:01):
that he will take it, and thenhe is going to hit you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:04):
I got you, I give you the first one free.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
It is a form of psychological warfare.
I got you.

Speaker 3 (01:39:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Yeah, no, it does freak people out.
So he does this and then hesteps in, he headbutts the guy
to finish him off.
The guy is done, but wayneheadbutts him for good measure
and he goes down and he staysdown.

Speaker 3 (01:39:22):
oh yeah it's gonna be a while they just sent their
biggest, biggest boy out to.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
This is david and goliath.
Right and goliath is in thedirt and not on a fancy uh,
beautiful that's right, hemissed the run.
So Reggie says who the fuck youthink you is?
And now it's on, now it's goingto be everyone's about to.
This is going to get real bad,because now everyone's going to

(01:39:48):
swarm.

Speaker 3 (01:39:49):
Did either of you think obviously, coach, you've
seen it before.
But when you first watched thisdid you start to think what is
he trying to accomplish?
Because Wayne doesn't do thingsindiscriminately, even if
they're kind of crazy things todo in the abstract.
So I did think here.

(01:40:09):
I actually thought oh, the nextperson coming out that trailer
is his mom.

Speaker 2 (01:40:15):
Oh, I did not think that.

Speaker 3 (01:40:17):
I thought he's going to make a big scene.
He's making a big scene to getmom out here, so it was
interesting Anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:40:26):
And boss you said you did think that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
No, I wasn't sure what was going to happen.
I didn't think that it wasgoing to be a pile on fight, but
I didn't see that coming.

Speaker 2 (01:40:34):
I thought it was the stupidest fucking thing you
could do, because he's wayoutnumbered.
Even as tough as he is, he'snot going to win this.
So I was like this is reallystupid.
He's going to get swarmed over.
But coach was right, out comes.
Who boss?
Oh my God, jaw drop.
I buried the lead.
I didn't tell her who playsWayne's mom and and who who is

(01:40:55):
Michaela Watkins who isphenomenal.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
She was in trophy wife, she was in a casualty
she's been in a bunch of.
If you saw her you would knowher.
She's fucking amazing and shedoesn't get nearly the credit
that she should.
Also, I'm a particular fan ofher voice.
I just like the way she sounds.

Speaker 2 (01:41:16):
Me too.
She is so good and she is noteperfect in this show and you
haven't seen uh, you have notseen the rest of what she does.
Oh, my god, she is so good inthis show.
I cannot even everybody's goodin the show.
Everybody, I keep.
I was looking at that openingscene in the back of the truck
going, um, uh, oh my god, likeciara bra, just the looks that

(01:41:40):
she gives.
You know, the drool stuff, themoments, the beats.
These are kids.
You know Mark McKenna playingWayne from Ireland.
How does he?
You know?
I know we've got a lot of Irishboys up in the Boston area For
sure, but he just captures thespirit so well.
And then you get these, theseTour de force performances

(01:42:02):
michaela walkins as maureenmcdulty and I'm very, very, very
excited to talk about it.
Um, we're going to leave itthere for today.
Um, this is so much fun.
Uh, this whole.
I love this episode so much.
I'm sort of impressed, coach.
I did not know that you.

(01:42:23):
It's funny when he goes for thecar or whatever.
I never thought he's trying toget close to his mom yeah, no,
no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
I didn't think it until then, but I was like
what's with the beard?
Like it just was such a likecreating a scene.
It was like it wasn't even justI want to fight you, it was I
want to create a scene.
It was like it wasn't even justI want to fight you, it was I
want to create a scene.
I was like why is he?
I think that's what made me golike why is he creating a scene?

Speaker 2 (01:42:47):
and and yeah, I was never even aware that his mom
was there.
It's funny like his mom was offmy radar, oh really until she
came out.
Oh yeah, no, I was like it'sthe car, it's fighting, it's
everything.
I just had totally forgottenthat his mom was a player.

Speaker 3 (01:43:00):
I think, because for me there was something extra
gross and worthy of revenge ofsending those postcards with the
mom and the car in it.
I remember thinking likethere's no more, like toxic male
.
I won, you lost.
Then I took your car and I tookyour motherfucking wife.

(01:43:23):
God damn, either one of thoseis reason for revenge, but both
are shit.
And to keep sending thepostcards I think it was kind of
tied into me that that wasgoing to be a big deal in this
story.

Speaker 2 (01:43:34):
Yeah, and it's also nice that in this day and age we
treat women as possessions.
Yeah, of course.
Clearly, it's one of the showson television where we rank
women.
There's the SNL sketch withKenan Is that right, I haven't
seen that.

Speaker 3 (01:43:47):
That's funny he goes.

Speaker 2 (01:43:48):
It's like the Miss Universe.
He's like welcome to the MissUniverse pageant.
One of a number of shows wherewe still rank women.
That's great, and you're like,oh my God, so brutal.
Okay, we're going to pick it uphere on the next episode,
that'll be Wayne, episode 8,part 2.
Must have burned like hell,boss.
Where can people find you?

(01:44:09):
If they want to find you, yougo first today, boss.

Speaker 4 (01:44:10):
Huzzah, because women are ranked first, you can find
me.
Blue Sky is Emily Chambers,threads is emilychambers.31, and
I did post the Waffle Houseclip in the community site, so I
would recommend you check thatout so that you can see it also.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
It's a lot of fun, but seriously, the clip is
hilarious yeah, and I've beenposting, like when we talk about
little things or scenes that Ilike.
I've been putting them in theWayne channel inside our
community site.
I've just been taking littlescreen caps and putting them
there.
I'm going to put in the onewhere Reggie's staring at the

(01:44:49):
back of Wayne's head at theconvenience store for no reason.
I just like the shot.
Coach, where can people findyou if they want to?

Speaker 3 (01:44:56):
find you.
Come through wealignalignpcom.
We're making changes andbuilding things up and getting
community together Very excited,so come on through, check us
out.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Okay, thanks everybody.
Thanks for joining us.
We really appreciate it.
Please buy the book Hits, flopsand Other Illusions by Ed Zwick
.
I've mentioned him back-to-backon two episodes.
At least we can do is try tothrow some love at his book,
which is really good,legitimately good, and a lot of
people are reading it andeverybody's enjoying it and I
know I've just gotten a lot ofgreat insight from it.

(01:45:31):
And it's his perspective.
But I don't know.
There's something very humanabout the man and he owns his
mistakes and I really like likethat is really in the vein of
Ted Lasso and growth and alwaystrying to strive to be better.
Two of us in this podcast dothat all the time.
One of us doesn't need to.
You know, there you go, thankyou, thank you.

(01:45:53):
I appreciate you saying that.
Please support your locallibraries and the written word
and until next time we remain.
Richmond till we die Awesome,okay, great.
Michaela Watkins and her fakedie here next time on the

(01:46:15):
podcast.
Thanks everybody, we'll see younext time.

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