Wayne | S1 Ep8 Part2 "Musta Burned Like Hell" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 1 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso Talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso Way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful people.
Today we are discussing Wayne,episode 8, must have Burned Like
Hell.
This is part two of ourdiscussion.
I am your host, coach Castleton.
With me, as always, is CoachBishop.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Hey, it's Coffee Boy yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hey, it's Coffee Boy.
Yeah, that's the.
I love that moment.
We're going to pick it up rightthere.
Before we do, I'll say Hello toour boss, emily Chambers.

Speaker 4 (01:11):
And I will Quickly say that Noah Wiley Is doing
Another show on HBO called thePit.
It's a medical drama with Twoof the producers from ER, so I'd
like to personally thank Himfor, as Dr John Carter uh
ushering in puberty when I was13 and now returning when I am

(01:32):
43 to guide me through menopause.
He is the most consistent manin my life and I would like to
thank him for that.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
That is both those borderline.
Sweet, hilarious.
It was a lot of things, things.
It was a lot wrapped into that.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I'm happy for you and for noah.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
Um, yeah, that was that was beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
There you go hey, thank you I don't know if
there's a more adorable maleperformance, and I wish this had
rubbed off on the media.
Uh, at large, you know, we wetalk a lot about how there's no
great male role models inpopular media that aren't
wearing a cape, but hisperformance in A Few Good Men is

(02:15):
literally oh yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
He's a tiny, tiny little baby, tiny little part.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Tiny little part, tiny little baby.
I just followed everybody elsethrough the mess hall.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
It's a tiny, tiny little baby.
Tiny little part.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
Tiny little part, tiny littlebaby, sir.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Yeah he's got a little baby face.
I just followed everybody elsethrough the mess hall.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Whatever he says yes, yeah, it's great.
Well, you're not going to findit in that book, sir?
Oh no, that was great, right,look it.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
We all yeah, that's kind of amazing.
We've never as far as I know,we've never discussed this
before and we all know exactlywhat you're talking about and
exactly like the contents of theyou know, yeah it was great.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, I love it, and that's way too nice for you,
boss, so I hate to break it toyou, but we might be rubbing off
on you.
We might be rubbing off on you.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
Well, I mean, if anything, Noah Wiley would be
rubbing off on you.
Well, I mean, if anything, nowiley would be rubbing off on me
in this situation.
Ideally, so I do I like, so I Iwill say it.
It just so happened that if youwere a nerdy girl in the early
90s there were not a lot of, alot of crush options.
Like I wasn't interested inzach morris and like even I knew

(03:25):
that um, ensign Crusher fromStar Trek TNG was a little too
dorky for me and I couldn'tquite get there with Scott
Bakula because he was too muchof a man.
So John Carter was like nerdyand a man, but very boyish, like
it was just the perfect age,perfect, absolutely Knocked me
off my ass how much I loved him.

(03:46):
He was phenomenal.
So, and the love lives on Ilove, I, I'm processing.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
My brain is going like mach six, trying to process
like the, the spectrum fromwesley crusher to Quantum Leap's
, scott Bakula, correct, andthen the needle sort of going in
between and finding ER's.
Dr John Carter.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Noah.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Wiley.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Wow, wow.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (04:17):
It was very fortunate .
It could have gone a lot of badways, but ER really came
through for me.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Well, I'm really happy, happy to hear that it's
made you the person that we knowand love today.
Boss, listen, I want to.
I'm going to do somethingthat's a departure for the show.
I very rarely do this, but Iwanted to say thank you.
We've done one million episodes.
I think One million and one,one million and two.
We're up there.
We've done a lot of I think 1million and 1, 1 million and 2.

(04:47):
We're up there.
We've done a lot of episodes.
We do them for 11 hours eachand I asked a couple episodes
ago.
I said, listen, if you can'tsubscribe, if you can't, you
don't have the money.
Everybody's hurting for cash.
We totally get that.
None of us are exactly rollingin it, except for Coach, who
drives a Tesla which is made byElon Musk, and you knock it off.

(05:08):
It's all right.
Listen, I get it.
I get it Like you bought itbefore we knew that he was you
know whatever, before we knew hewas crazy, yeah, and so I just
like to needle Coach about that.
But realistically, you know,I've had this thesis, I've said

(05:28):
this many times in the show Ithink things are harder than
people think they are.
I think people are really stilltrying in some way to recover
from a pandemic that everybodyglossed over and no one actually
took any systemic action on,actually took any systemic
action on.
Uh, juliana will say, to sayshe'll categorize it, to say the

(05:48):
world fundamentally shifted atthat time and everybody pretends
it didn't.
They just want to go back todrive, to work, a hundred
percent, you know, but it's shit, it's over, it's shit like one
cat is out of the bag, hundred,100%, right.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, it's wild that everybody's like, oh, moving on,
I'm like, oh, so we're going topretend that a nuclear bomb
didn't land in the middle of ourlike figurative existence.
Okay, sure, all right, let's um, all right.

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Great, yeah, what's for breakfast?
It's hit things in many moreways than people realize.
Yet you know, as someone whoyou know we're, we're connected
to the entertainment industryand they made less material,
less scripted work in 2023 thanthey did in 2022.

(06:39):
And that a lot of that has todo with everybody's freaked out
about the, about the writer'sstrike and the new agreements.
Producers don't know how to.
You know things they can afford.
You know it's like this crazy.
Of course they can.
It's like 0.0% of their income,but everybody's very gun shy.
Nobody wants to take the first.
I think there was only one TVshow in production in New York.

Speaker 3 (07:02):
Oh, the entertainment industry right now is not okay
like it is not every writer Iknow is not okay yeah, like
seriously, like people aretalking about it and it is real
and and we both know enoughpeople that it's like well, this
can't be a coincidence, likeit's just all my friends are
fucking unimportant.
Like it's not good and I thinkyou're, I think you're right

(07:25):
that transfers to so much moreof of our existence that like,
think about how much we talkabout 9-11 and we still talk
about, oh, 9-11, oh blah, blah.
I was here, you were there.
Oh, like I contact all myfriends who had anybody who they
lost.
You know what I mean, yeah, andthen multiply that by some
number.
I can't just snatch out of theair right now, from 3 000 people

(07:48):
to how many dying.
That's it, that's just thedying million yeah that's not
just.
That's not the teenager curledup in a ball in their room
freaking out.
That's not the parent who, like, said if you don't get me out
of this fucking apartment, I'mgonna, you know, I mean, let's
not deal with any of that stuff,I'm just talking about death.
And we just haven't done it.

(08:08):
No, no.

Speaker 2 (08:09):
You haven't done it.
And then you have thiscollective anticipatory trauma
about the upcoming election andthe stupid media trying to make
it a horse race, when it's not afucking horse race, whatever.
The whole thing makes me crazy,um, and and in the middle of
that I said listen, I get thatpeople can't afford
subscriptions.

(08:30):
Um, we've never, for what it'sworth it's neither here nor
there.
We've never made a dime.
The subscriptions we do get, um, don't cover our costs.
So it's, it's, uh, somethingthat we do because we love to do
it and we hope that we'veconnected with some people along
the way, and that is really the.
The goal of the podcast is tohopefully put something better

(08:50):
in the world.
We, we all have things we couldbe doing, that people who
listen all of our listeners, allof our buttercups have other
things they could do and listento.
But I said, listen, if youcan't subscribe, I totally get
it, please, at least you know,you know.
Oh, I mean subscribe.
What I meant by subscribe was,if you can't support the show by
becoming a paid subscriber,then you know, click the

(09:14):
subscribe button, click the like, but all the things you can do
on your own, and every once in awhile we'll get a real nasty
review.
And I'm not one of those peoplethat I don't let oh, I don't
tell boss or coach, I don't letthem read the reviews, I don't
forward them the bad reviews ortypically good reviews because

(09:35):
usually they sort of balance outand I and I so I just think,
okay, well, you know we're notgoing to appeal to everybody.
I totally get that the world isfull of all kinds of diverse
people and we might not be.
You know we're not going toappeal to everybody.
I totally get that the world isfull of all kinds of diverse
people and we might not be.
You know everybody's flavor.
But I just when people doreview, when people take the

(09:56):
time out of their busy day toactually write something, it
really means the world to me.
And I wanted to read you areview that came in the other
day.
It was from somebody namedWolf3594.

(10:17):
This is the username.
It says United States, theheader of.
Actually, before I tell you theheader, I want to tell you that
usually what happens is evenpeople when they give like
fantastic reviews, like oh,five-star review, there's always
this caveat.
It's like but I wish, I wishcoach Castleton would, would
shut the fuck up.
But everybody else is really,you know, like, I love you know,
whatever, whatever it is isthat kind of thing.
And so I read this anticipatingthat type of thing, and you'll

(10:40):
hear the moment where it's likeoh, is this the asterisk?
The.
It's like oh, is this theasterisk?
Um, the.
It's a five star review fromwolf three, five, nine four.
It says phenomenal and funconversations.
Um, I found this podcast after Ihad already watched all three
Ted Lasso seasons three timesand wanted more Ted Lasso.
I love these three people and Ithink they have some great
thoughts and I love their banter.

(11:01):
The only thing really sad forme here we go is coach bishop
won't shut the fuck up.
No, this says this is where Ilike braced for impact.
The only thing really sad forme is that I have finished binge
listening to all the episodesand I'm current and now I need
to wait for the next episode.
Anyway, this, this is all justreading the review.

(11:25):
This podcast has put almost allof the other podcasts seven on
hold because I can't get enoughof the discussion and these
three plus the guests.
Maybe I should become abuttercup to continue the
discussion even more.
Overall, it's a great podcastthat has some interesting
thoughts and discussions and Ihighly recommend listening to
every episode.
Um, this is from wolf 3594.

(11:46):
I'm I'm like uh, trying not toget misty.
I know you think this shouldn'taffect you.
It shouldn't, it shouldn'tmatter, but wolf 3594, this is
someone who has listened toevery word of uh, there's a lot
of, there's a lot of hours inthis podcast and, and if that is
the um, that's the net resultof that then, that that we

(12:07):
couldn't ask for a more, uh, youknow, a bigger success.
And, and I'll say this wolf3594, you are a buttercup.
You are already a buttercup andyou don't need to pay to become
a buttercup, and nor doesanybody else who, um, um, you
know, has done this journey andum and uh, if you've gone

(12:30):
through all of these hours withus and you still like us, a lot
of people got sick of us andthey, yeah, you know what Fuck
these guys?
They don't talk.
They talk about themselves toomuch, or they, you know, I I
wanted more inside baseball,about the show, whatever, but if
you're one of the many peoplewho are still listening, you are
a buttercup already.

(12:51):
I just want to be crystal clearabout this.
You click on my name in thelink of the show or bosses or
coaches, but mine's the easiestway because they're just going
to forward it to me and I willsend you a link and you join the
buttercups.
And it's not meant to berestrictive.
It was meant to be an incentive, like, okay, the people that
are going to pay are probablythe people that want to pay and

(13:13):
want to be there, but thatdoesn't necessarily mean they're
the only people that should bethere.
So I just want to say it reallymeant the world to me to read
that, wolf3594, whoever you areout there, we are people, we're
humans, and it feels good to beappreciated and have nice things
said about us.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
And I just want to say thank you Two things to just
sprinkle on there.
And I do appreciate that reviewand I know you'll be hearing
this because you're all caughtup, so you're gonna hear this
pretty soon.
Um, I really appreciate theconnection that you put into
that, uh, into that review.

(13:55):
Wolf, I don't.
I'm not gonna remember thenumbers, but I I just that, for
that's all of it.
And when people make contactand say, oh, you made this point
, or boss said this, or I'mtotally with Coach Castleton on
that, that's probably the least.
Yeah, no one ever says thatTheoretically someone could

(14:16):
Someday.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Here's hoping, hold on brother, keep hoping, keep
hoping, hold on brother.

Speaker 3 (14:25):
Keep open eyes.
But that for me, like that ismy fuel, like knowing, like
connecting with people,connecting on ideas and that
kind of thing.
So, just so, thank you for thatpiece.
The other piece is I adoreCoach for everything he just
said about you being a buttercup, and it's true, and it's right,

(14:47):
and we've all discussed it, weall agree and that's fantastic.
Also, I want you to realizethat Coach is running.
What I have decided is theanti-scam.
See, usually when somebody runsa scam, they take your money
and they give you nothing, right, and that's the scam.
But what Coach does is doesn'ttake your money and gives you

(15:10):
millions of hours of content.
I'm not sure where he learnedthat this is a thing, but he is
running the world's firstanti-scam.
And so if you could help thispoor, poor man with the giant
heart out and help us just beable to pay to do this thing we

(15:32):
love to do and you love to havein your notifications, just
please help us out.
But I agree totally, it's allin.
We are inclusive versusexclusive and I agree with it
totally.
But he takes it on the chinfinancially and so anyone who

(15:53):
can help to block that shot alittle bit, I know that it's
appreciated and it's appreciatedby me.

Speaker 4 (16:02):
I've been nodding along because I'm really great
at doing an audio medium, so Iwould like to agree with
everything said and also thankyou, and also thank Castleton,
for reading through all thereviews.
I don't I learned during mywriting days don't read the
comments.
It's just not good.
So if there's any hate mail inthere, you're going to have to

(16:23):
work harder to get it to me.
You're like I didn't see itthere.
I'm sorry.
Um, so thank you for all thatand uh, we'll, yes, join the
community.
I need to get back in thecommunity.
We'll talk about this again atthe end, but, um, yeah, it's fun
and I need to be there more.
And as soon as tax season isover, it's going to be great.

(16:44):
You guys won't believe theparty we're going to throw after
taxes are finished.
It's going to be phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, Accountants are known for heady
days of partying with you knowevery time every time we discuss
uh, there's, there've beenseveral times.
Thank you, coach, by the way,for that.
That's very nice.
Yeah, you know me, I don't careabout money, I should care more
.
It makes it tough on my familysometimes, because it would be

(17:17):
nice if I had a real income towork off of.
But yeah, when boss talks aboutfrom an accounting perspective,
she's like, yeah, this is not aviable entity.
Every time she talks, she'slike yeah, you're, this is not a
viable entity.
Every time she's, she's alwaysoh, jesus christ, oh jesus,
you're right.
No, no, I just spilled mycoffee.
That's so funny.
Oh, no, no, it's, it's so funny, that was I was.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
I'm sorry I shouldn't be laughing.
No, no, it's totally funny.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
I, I, um, it's hysterical because I was just, I
was talking with my hands likelike an Italian, and I caught my
microphone in my pinky fingerand then, uh, knocked everything
around.
It doesn't matter, um, what Iwas saying was um, every time
boss makes fun of somebody forrunning a business, that's not a
viable business.
Uh, I, all of those thingsapply to how, how we run our

(18:01):
finances here.
So I hear it and I know, butanyway, it's for love of the
game and I'm going to clean up alittle bit here while we move
merrily along into the future.
Anyway, go ahead, boss.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
If it helps at all.
Castleton, I would never makefun of you for how you run your
finances, because I am prettysure they cannot go faster than
a walk.
So that is a promise to you Iwill never make that explicit
joke.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
That was so awful.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
If I'm tracking that properly, if I'm tracking that
properly, if I'm tracking thatproperly.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
If I'm tracking that properly.
That was a run-don't-walk jokeabout finances.
I meant that they move slow.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
Is that not what you were trying to say?

Speaker 2 (18:58):
No, that's it.
There's nothing all thatexciting about my finances.
There shouldn't be.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
You've got to put your money into a savings
account and you've got to leaveit there.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Oh my God.

Speaker 4 (19:11):
This is why I'm an accountant and not a financial
advisor.

Speaker 5 (19:14):
Oh no no.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's good.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
When.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
I get some money, boss.
That's what Warren Buffett didright here.

Speaker 4 (19:21):
Exactly.
That's why you know him as thesafest man in the country there
you go.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
So I have like sensory issues, which is why I
wince when boss laughs.
That's not true, I hate.
So when I just spilled this cup, full cup of coffees but I got
a little bit left, though Isaved a little bit, but then I
get like a little yeah, yougotta go wash up no, I'm okay, I

(19:46):
got some water.
Here I'm gonna, I'm just gonnado like a again.
We talk about terms and I I'mthe other day.
We for those listening.
We look, oh shit, it's on thefloor too.
God damn it.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
This is amazing.
This has to stay in.
It's off the rails.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
No, no, listen.
I went to push my chair backand my foot slipped.
I have one of those chair matsso it slipped, so it didn't get
on the floor.
Anyway, we looked up the word.
I know boss is shaking her head.
We looked up the word palookabecause I was like, oh man, that
sounds like something thatcould be, and it was just like
named after a boxer from the 20sor something right.

(20:28):
so I was like, oh okay, and thenI said, all right, I'm gonna do
a little little uh cleanup here, and the term that came into my
mind again I don't always haveproper terms I'm that was
whore's bath.
Oh, that doesn't seem as likelyto have a good meaning as, say,

(20:52):
a boxer from the movie.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Yeah, have you heard?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
that term.
I heard it to mean like, oh,you don't have a thing and you
do a quick wash up.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not like you don't have a
shower and you do a quick washup.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's notlike you don't have a shower.
I have heard that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have heardthat.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, like there's other terms for it, but that's
the one I have absorbed from theworst elements of my family.
And so there you go.

Speaker 4 (21:19):
Well, for a while, I believe so I definitely have
heard that term.
Okay, a while, I believe, so Idefinitely have heard that term
okay, um, for a while I thinkthat, uh, the better version of
that was supposed to be a frenchbath, which, sorry france, I
didn't.
I didn't come up with it and Ididn't oh, it is time for the
flunch bath I love, but I haveheard it I love so much class

(21:39):
here.
Sorry, france sorry, france, um,but then as I got older I think
, when was it college One of myroommates who didn't want to
refer to it as either of thosethings, just called it a pits
and privates wash.
Oh, Because you just get thosespecific areas and then you're

(21:59):
good to go, pits and privates, Imean.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
And now everything's good as far.
We've got clarity, We've gotalliteration.
I'm, I'm, I'm saying you know,everyone should go whatever
direction they choose, butthat's pretty good.
Pits and privates I got to saythat's pretty solid, that's
pretty solid naming.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
I feel like uh go ahead boss.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Well, white people never wash their legs and we're
basically always doing pits andprivates and that's a thing
where I was like what is thatabout?

Speaker 3 (22:26):
we'll we have to?
I don't know.
At some point.

Speaker 4 (22:28):
I don't know.
Plus, I don't want to know.
I don't want to know howanybody washes themselves ever.
What's the deal with?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
people in the shower but wayne.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
How did this become a topic?
How did this become a thing?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
sorry, you know, said you could eat off my chest.
Like I scrub my chest, likelike I forget it was a steinfeld
, it was.
Somebody was like I have toclean it, like I start there and
then I scrub, I get it, I getlike a nice foam and, man, my
chest is good.
And then it's like like mychest, which is never dirty is a

(23:02):
place where I really focusright listen, this is a.
This is a.
This is a.
Okay, god damn it.
We have not started the show,but no we haven't one idiot
spilled fucking liquid all overhimself.
But but here's.
Here's the thing on.
I'm not a big fan of the showfriends.
It's not like I was not afriends person, I was not

(23:23):
whatever.
I don't dislike it, I just.
I think I liked it the firstseason, then immediately checked
out for some like came way backand and went punk rock and just
said, uh, yeah, this is not myjam, um, but there was this
great line with joey and chan.
I don't remember what season itwas, but I remember thinking

(23:44):
all these years later was one ofmy favorite lines on television
because of the way it used likea, an unspoken knowledge that
we all have.
So and I don't know that thisis.
We're going to test that.
We're going to test the theoryright now.
But I was joey and chandler.
Joey and chandler were the tworoommates right?
Were they roommates?
That's correct, correct?

(24:04):
Okay, good, I just made sure Igot the guys right.
They were having some sort ofaltercation and said something
like joking, playful, whatever.
And Joey says to Chandler itwas about the shower or
something he's like hey,whatever, I will shower before
you.
And just keep in mind we knowwhat.

(24:25):
I wash last and you wash first.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I just hit enter because you started it and I
said I know exactly what he'sabout to say because I remember
that joke and I rememberthinking that is one of the
funniest lines I've ever heardon TV and I just put it in the
chat because I was like that'sgoing to sound like bullshit.
But if you look at the chatright now, I'm looking at it

(24:51):
right now, I'm looking at thechat.
First place for soap.
We have oh my God, I knew it assoon as you said there was this
line, because I remembercackling, laughing Like that is
going to haunt Chandler.
For the rest, of his days.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
I think about that a lot.
I'm still wiping the floorwhile I'm this is so funny.
If the sound sounds weird, it'sbecause I've stepped away from
the mic a little bit.
Oh dear God.
But what I was going to say wasthat that line is so good
because they Chandler makes aface like a moment.
He had like a reaction shot,like oh, but I think about that

(25:33):
line once a month, once a couple.
That's funny, like if I soapevery day.
I think no more than that,probably.
I'm like because I'm like what?
Because it's the it was.
So we got to find out who wroteit.
We're gonna have to look it upand see who's the writer that
actually wrote that line,because it was like really like

(25:55):
almost arrogantly brave of aline to say you know what I mean
.
It's like I'm not even gonna.
There's no button to it,there's no like there's no one
that spells it out for theaudience, which is like what
they do on network TV.
They just let it hang there.
And it's been hanging for what?
25, 30 years however long I.

Speaker 4 (26:13):
I, so I know for a fact the writer of that
commercial uh, or sorry, thewriter of that line, um was was
an advertiser for big body wash,because this is not an issue
when you use body wash and awashcloth, like you're supposed
to, if you don't use bar soap,which dries out your skin and
which is not great for you otherthan the hands which you could

(26:35):
put lotion onto immediately.
I have never thought about thatline, because I have never once
had to wear that.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
It's not my own experience because I'm with you.
It's a big washcloth.
I've moved to a loofah spongewhich I feel is just, like you
know, same idea.
So, yeah, I don't do a lot oflike bar soap contact, but yes,
the first time.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
The first time you find a pube in a bar of soap and
you know it's not yours you'redone with bar of soap after that
.
Now you're finished.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Even if said pubes are pubes with which you come
into contact.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
It's not just like oh , this is like a public bath now
.

Speaker 3 (27:19):
No, it doesn't matter .
Yeah, no, I don't want toencounter them here.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
Yeah, yeah, no, I don't want to encounter them
here.
Yeah yeah, there are alwayssome like I will drink out of a
glass that somebody that I amclose with has taken a drink out
of.
I can't use the same toothbrush, like that's weird, that's
unacceptable.
I know that it's the same mouthgerms.
I understand it, but no, thisis for cleaning.
When you're cleaning, you can'tbe thinking about other
people's mouth germs.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
You have that in common with Daphne In our early
days I remember being like justuse my toothbrush then, and her
looking at me like this could bethe end of us.
Be careful what you say next.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
That's like there's a difference between like you put
your lips on somebody's lipsand like you take a tool and you
rub it along the food in theback of your teeth and then you
hand it to your loved one andyou're like now you do it, but
you don't leave the food on it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
You know what this is .
You have entirely pissed in thepunch here with this whole line
.

Speaker 4 (28:19):
No, I piss in the shower, which is, I thought,
what the joke was going to be.
I definitely do that, but Ilive alone.
I miss in the shower, which is.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
I thought what the joke was going to be.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
I definitely do that, but.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I live alone, so I'm allowed to.
Oh my God, when are the rails?
Does anybody know where therails are?
It's such a bad episode.
I am soaked.
This is great.
This is chaos episode.
I kind of like it.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh my God, this is like when you have all the
leftovers out of the fridge fordinner, Like you're just like
fuck it.
We got a bar of soap, we gotfood scraping.
What do you got?
What else you got?

Speaker 2 (28:54):
This is a long, long time, coach, and I have talked
about this.
Like black people wonderingwhere the washcloths are in the
white showers.
Like, coach, I told you.
People wondering why, where,the where the washcloths are in
the white showers, like whatlike.
But it's coach this a little, Itold you, when you go to racism
camp, uh, as a, as a, you know,in elementary school, as a
white person, they teach you howto use a bar of soap and what

(29:15):
you do is you lather it up, youget it.
You go like this you get all thegot it he's working between his
hands for those of you yeah,yeah, yeah, you really lather it
up and you get the cornersrubbed off, so it's nice like a
little thing, and then what youdo is put it right in your butt
and just tap it up and then youspit it out and you come out

(29:37):
clean as a whistle.
And that's how white people doit.
Culturally it's superior.
I mean, who am I to say?

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Western civilization.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
That's how all white people do it, unless they use
gel or whatever.
The fuck boss ruined the partywith.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
I clearly said.
Wash Gel also dries out yourskin, as I've discussed before.
I just like dunk myself in thelotion as soon as I get out of
the tub, like that's I'm so dryI have.
I have lotion in four differentrooms of my house and my house
has five rooms.
That is.

(30:18):
That is a true thing wow,that's impressive okay, yeah,
this is why I'm serious.
I don't put bars of soap up myass, I'm just going to go on the
record and say that.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
It's not for me.
You're lost and a dirty ass.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
When we promote the show.
That should definitely be thequote.
I don't put bars of soap up myass.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
We got to have her in like a real, like a gray blazer
.
Right right right, like aschool marmy kind of appearance.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
I don't put bars of soap up my ass, I feel like Wolf
is gonna be really excited thathe was associated, so they were
associated so closely with thisepisode.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
They shout me out and it's in the middle of this
fucking chaos.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Oh, that's so nice that they said my name.
What did they just say about abar of soda, fuck.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
All right, Wayne episode eight Wolf 3594 has just
amended their review In realtime.

Speaker 3 (31:21):
We haven't even released that he just felt it.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Like, oh, oh.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
I know I decided Wolf had to be a guy that's not no,
there's a great disturbance inthe forest.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Um, okay, we are, we are.
Today is wayne.
Episode eight must have burnedlike hell.
We started out last time withpart one.
We got to the point where, umway, wayne absolutely just
destroys chamomile, chamomile,chamomile.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
I don't think that's how you are supposed to
pronounce it Chamomile.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah, I've always said chamomile.
Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (31:58):
I did kind of clock like wait, what did he just say?
You're right.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
And then what happened?
He goes down after Wayneheadbutts him and then you get
this like I just love.
So again, I talked about theactor who plays Reggie, and that
is Francesco Antonio.
He gets up and he says you know, it's like as if it was written

(32:28):
by the bard himself.
You know this is.
You can imagine Prospero sayingthis in the Tempest.
Who the fuck do you think youis?
Although, listen for peoplethat know Shakespeare if you're
around today, he probably wouldwrite.
He did not.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Yeah, yeah.
People act like it was alwaysthis highbrow thing, and that is
absolutely not what it was, butanyway, no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
He knew how to captivate a crowd who the fuck
you think you is, which is great, and I just love the framing of
this shot.
He runs up, pushes through thetwo nitwit guys that we called
out last time and, real slow,puts his toothpick in his mouth
and it's like okay, this shit'son.
I also thought have we seenwayne?

(33:12):
And I think I know the answer,but you guys can correct me have
we ever seen him?
Not either bloodied, healingwith wounds, with with bruises
and and healing cuts, or someversion of of laceration on his
face or or that sort of thinglike have we ever seen him?

(33:34):
Like from the very start, maybethe first bike ride before he
let that guy hit him?
right, but boss wisely calledout listen, dude, you don't have
to always take the first shotand we we mentioned well, that's
a way of psyching out youropponent because you can take
their best shot like that.
You know that puts people ontheir heels, but we've never
seen him and it shows you're abadass.

(33:54):
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we've never seen him notbanged up, right, he always has
cuts.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, I was thinking about it.
I can't imagine, when you knowwhat I mean.
Like, as I'm going back throughthe series, I'm like, yep, he
had that fight, that this wentdown and that.
Yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
He doesn't have run-of-the-mill like shove
fights.
Like you know, like you know,we're growing up me and Coach in
a time where it was hard to notget in some fight one way or
another, like it was a differentera, but like half of them were
, you know, wrestling andpushing and right, it wasn't

(34:31):
like, it wasn't like cam a miledoing that, that full hay make
side haymaker, like he threw hiships into it, like like he got
sammy sosa hips right, it wasjust all his whole body behind
that one straight armed punch,the weirdest punch I've ever
seen, and wayne goes down andthat's on his face.

Speaker 4 (34:53):
man, what, what boss is laughing, jesus christ yeah,
no, I'm remembering it mighthave been a crack dot com
article from years ago aboutthings that people are great in
in the movies that never happenin real life, and the guy
writing it was rightly pointsout that in movies, fights are
always very slick and cool andeverybody knows how to throw a

(35:14):
punch and when to throw a punch,so that it comes off as like
you're not accidentally punchingthem in their ear, like you are
just hitting them in the face,and it's connecting and they're
like the people who know how tofight very well and are very
good at fighting.
in real life we call themcriminals.
Like in real life you are not aguy from an office who knows

(35:37):
how to throw a punch on theweekends.
Like the very first fight infight club, I think actually
edward norton does punch bradBrad Pitt and hits him in the
ear and he says, oh fuck, yougot my ear and I was like that's
the most realistic fight I'veever seen in my life.
Like in real life that you justlike throwing hands everywhere.
None of them are connecting.
You kind of look like an idiotFights are never good, ok, ok.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now I want to explain something to you, boss never
good, okay, okay, now I want toexplain something to you, boss,
while you were doing this andyou're 100 right about all that
I want to, I want to point outwhat a arrogant, miserable son
of a bitch come on, coach is,because he he was, he was
humoring you because he's like,but I know how to throw a punch.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
Oh Listen, if you have taken boxing absolutely.

Speaker 2 (36:30):
He's a boxer, but he knew how to throw a punch.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
But you're right.
But the point remains you everhit anybody in the air coach
with a punch?

Speaker 4 (36:44):
I mean I'm sure, sure I was a little kid or something
, but yeah exactly I think, Ithink, I think that that that's
what I'm like, even in, evenwhen you watch boxing and these
are also two athletes that knowhow right I don't want to call
it a game, but like they knowwhen to punch and when to block,
like you know when to do thatstuff, and it's still never as
badass as the movies no it'snever actually that slick.

(37:04):
It's always a little bit weirdand like you throw a couple jabs
and then you back off and like,yeah, nobody had a whole thing
about how, when he his whole andthis is in the movie, so it
kind of blurs what the.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
I think you're right about your point, though, and he
said, like the whole thing withbruce lee was like he punched a
guy to stand there and lookreally cool, and that Jackie
Chan's whole thing was he'dpunch a guy and then he'd be
like ah, yes yes, because ithurts your fucking hand.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
It hurts your hand.
Yeah, Just bang your hand intosomebody's skull.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yes, yeah, so anyway.
But yes, the point remains.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Coach is like hey, man, I don't aim for the nose.
Coach is like hey man, I don'taim for the nose, I aim for the
back of the head, that'sactually true.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Don't punch to him, punch through him.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Coach can't help.
The coach Can't help it.
Oh my god.
So this happens.
We get a beautiful shot.
I love Reggie.
I mean, I hate Reggie.
I mean I hate Reggie, hate thecharacter Reggie.
Right, he's nauseating, but myGod, what a fun character to
play.
And you know Francesco and Tony, he just just just revels in it

(38:17):
.
He enjoys the shit out of it.
It's almost.
It's almost a character whereyou can't go over the top
because he is so objectivelystupid.
You just know whatever he saysis part of his ethos, because
he's a legitimate moron.
Wait, can you say?

Speaker 3 (38:38):
moron anymore.
I don't think I've heardanything about moron, but I can
look that up for me boss.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Look at what boss looks like right now.
I'm not going to.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
I mean, I know for a fact that well, I would actually
just need to double check.
I'm pretty sure that moronidiot and one other one were old
school classifications fordifferent degrees of
developmental delay.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Exactly yes, right.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yes, they definitely don't have a great root.
I don't know if they've been souh.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
Well, I don't want to use it if it's, if it's a no,
even if it's gross, I will saythat he is a um so idiot.
You said it was one of them.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
Yeah, that's.
The problem is, uh, all of themhave like their roots.
They all do yeah.

Speaker 3 (39:20):
Like Greek, of course .
Thanks, coach, yeah no, you arewelcome, my friend early 20th
century is a medical termdenoting an adult with a low iq.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
You're right, all right so we're not going to say
that yeah, we're just going tosay that he is he is uneducated,
and blissfully uneducated, oneof those people who, uh, knows
all he needs to know by the ageof about seven.
And you know, no, no booklearning is going to go in there
.
Um so uh.

Speaker 4 (39:50):
I think I'll only say I think there needs to be a
word for somebody who is.
I would never ridicule somebodyfor being uneducated or unaware
of something, even sayingstupid.
I'm not going to make fun ofyou for being stupid.
What I will call you on isacting like an asshole about
that.
If you are proudly wrong and adick, then I'm going to make fun

(40:12):
of you about that, Becausethat's the part that deserves to
be mocked.
Not that you were wrong, thatyou just insist on continuing to
stay wrong.
That's right.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
That's it right there .
I think 66 million people.
That might apply to you, boss,that fucking guy that.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
That's it right there 66 million people.
That might apply to you, boss,that fucking guy, that
motherfucking guy.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
You shouldn't have even said anything.
We have to start.

Speaker 3 (40:30):
We have to start, not that we have to finish.
We have to start, we have tostart.
Okay, this is where we start.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Wayne.
They have this moment.
They're squaring up and then wehear what the fuck is going on
out here and then out comesWayne's mom, and this is a.
We stopped here because you,just you know, this is Maureen
McNulty, played by, of course,Michaela Watkins, who is great.

(41:01):
I was trying to think if I everseen anything Michaela Watkins
has done that I didn't like andI couldn't even remotely think
of it.
I've seen parts that wereunderwritten that she still
pulled off, where I was like wow, Jesus Christ, Like I think she
seems like a pros, pro.
I don't know anything about her.
I don't know if she's nice orgood or I actually don't.
You know it's funny because youhear whispers about people and

(41:29):
I good, or I actually don't.
Uh, what you know?

Speaker 4 (41:30):
it's funny because you hear whispers about people
and, um, and I just have never,I feel like I've never heard
anything about Michaela.
Have you boss anything?
Um, so actually two things.
Number one I accidentallycalled the show casualty.
It's casual.
Uh, that came out of you casual, so still good, I would
recommend it.
Um, I haven't heard anythingbad about her.
I know that she regularly woulddrop in on a podcast called
Hysterical that I would listento.

(41:50):
That was through the CrookedNetwork.
It was politics and pop culture, current events, only with
women talking, hence thehysterical.
That is ironic.
Women talking, hence thehysterical.
That is ironic.
And she would.
Everything she said I agreedwith, I didn't.
If she was being some versionof herself on those podcasts, I

(42:13):
think we would get along.
I haven't heard anything likethat.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Well, that's I mean.
I think that's probably like Ilove her and I want her to be in
my family.
I just want to spendThanksgiving's with her.
She's always good and she'sgreat in this.
She takes one look at Wayne andshe knows everything she needs
to know.
She says holy fucking shit.
And he stares at her, bloodsplattered on his face, just

(42:38):
staring at his mom, who hehasn't seen since he was five
years old, and she says sayswhat here, coach?

Speaker 3 (42:46):
well, you look just like your father.
I mean this, it's so much toprocess for the two of them.
But that is underscored becausewe cut to dell for reaction
shot and we cut to Reggie andhis minions for it, and it is so

(43:08):
If you put yourself in theactual situation, I think
sometimes when we're watchingshows, we're just here and we
know this and we know that.
But if you think about some guywe bumped into at the gas
station, just showed up, grabbedsome of our beer, started
stomping on it, on it, like whatthe fuck's going on there.
Then he knocks the shit out ofchamomile and before we can jump

(43:35):
him, as we most assuredly areabout to do, my mom comes out
and knows this fucking guy.
Like what is going on?
There really is a lot going onin this moment absolutely.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
And, uh, we cut from there that she holds on him for
a second camera holds on uswatching her, watch him.
He doesn't say a word, juststares at his mom, and we cut to
the dinner table.
So this is where, if you didn'tsee this coming now, boss, you
have a real, um, you have areally finely tuned, uh,
television watchers, um, sort ofsort of instinct.

(44:12):
Did you see this particularthing?
Coach said he saw, he thoughtwayne was trying to get, get you
know his mother's attention.
I forgot his mother was therewhen I first got it did.
Once you saw this, did youthink?
Okay, they're going to go sitdown at the, as she says, supper
table.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
You did.

Speaker 4 (44:32):
I did not expect her to show up.
Once she did, I thought thatthis was going to be how they
handled this, that Wayne wouldnot address anything with her
and that she would play nice.
Okay, alright.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
So first of all, I want to call Wayne would not
address anything with her andthat she would play nice.
Okay, all right.
So first of all I want to callout.
We have the dinner table.
They're all sitting at thesupper table.
You have this fascinatingbackdrop in the background,
coach, what is that?
Coach called it out.
I had no idea.
And boss, I don't think yourecognize it.

(45:03):
But, coach, what did you noticeabout the mural?
That's like takes out of awhole wall of their.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
It's a mural from Scarface, which obviously was
set in Florida as well, and andso maybe that's why my brain was
kind of like ready to make thatconnection.
But I went and looked up acouple of stills from the movie
and I'm pretty confident.
I mean, to get that close andthen not have done it
intentionally would be prettyamazing, um.

(45:29):
So yeah, I think they'rereferencing.
You know these guys are it'stoo.
It's too close to be an accidentyou know what I mean and and I
could see them also likerevering tony montana on that
level, like 13 year old methought like yeah, fuck it, man,
like go for it.
And if you die in a blaze ofglory, fuck like in.
13 year old me thought likeyeah, fuck it man, like go for

(45:49):
it, and if you die in a blaze ofglory fuck like in 51 year old
music.
Well, you know, make a littlemoney, put it in an index fund.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
You know um say hello to my little index fund.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (46:01):
There you go Um but I could totally see this guy who
stole someone's car and sentpostcards about it, thinking
Tony Montana had it all figuredout.

(46:21):
And I'm going to put this up onthe around this table.
You got Mark McKenna who playsWayne.
You got Ciara Bravo who playsAdele.
You got, of course, maureenMcNulty, played by Michaela
Watkins.
All three of them get to do athing.
Okay, wayne gets to be this, youknow, psycho, uncivilized, sort
of Conan type figure, right.

(46:45):
So where he's a, he's a arbiterof justice, but not part of the
real world.
He's a Encino man.
You got Dell, who is a likeborderline caricature of a
Boston raised woman, except thatshe's so good at such a heart
and whatever.
Like that.
It's not, it doesn't go tocaricature, it's just.
But it's big, it's big and it's.

(47:07):
You've got you got Michaelawalk-ins, who we haven't seen,
but she's already got the accent.
She's got, you know, tanningskin that looks like it's from a
have some big, uh big emotions,and I, and.
And then you got francescoantonio playing, uh, reggie,

(47:28):
who's over the top as, as far asyou can go, it's almost like
when you direct him you're likehow, how far can you like?
There is no, there is no bottomfor you, right, um?
And then you got kirk ward whoplays calvin.
Now Calvin Clay is Reggie's dad,is Maureen McNulty's husband or

(47:49):
boyfriend who knows whetherthey're married or not and he
has to be more of a straight man.
He's got the hardest role andfor people who haven't done any
acting, this is what's tough.
When you're around these peoplewho all get to play these crazy
roles, right, it's like playingmcduff.
It's like playing you know whatI mean?
It's like, oh, mcbeth gets allthe good lines he gets to.

(48:11):
You know, he gets these wildfluctuations.
I just got to be this evenkeeled thing.
Now.
That's not to say calvin clay,um, reggie's dad doesn't have a
personality.
He does, but it's much moresubtle, and I just want to mark
how well Kirk Ward did this andhow important it is.
It's a great call out.
Do you know what I'm saying?
Because you can't have everyonebe a fucking whack job.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Yeah, because then it's a farce.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Right, it's too much.
Yes, boss, you have somethingelse, or you just agreed?
No, that's it.
Oh my God, we agreed, we agreed.

Speaker 4 (48:46):
We do agree.
Oh my God, it always reminds meof it's not even a funny skit,
but on SNL Main Justice, thecourtroom sketch where Jason
Sudeikis of Ted Lasso fame isthe judge, and I want to say
that Jamie Foxx is the bailiffand they're like over the top
deep louisiana accent saying themost nonsensical shit, and

(49:08):
there's just one of the lawyerslike constantly looking around
like wait, is this, are we?
Are we all for real here?
And that's what makes it funny,otherwise it would just be
nonsense but that straight guymakes it funny.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Yes, it's not monty python.
So so you and even even then,even then they knew I, it's not
like it was accidental.
They knew exactly what they'redoing.
Um and and uh, I just want topoint out that, um, that's what
makes this scene work.
Uh, I'm going to do somethingthat I rarely do, um, but if we
get a cease and desist order,that's fine.

(49:39):
I want people I know a lot ofpeople are listening.
They come to the show.
They say listen, I'm here tolisten to Boss, I'm here to
listen to Coach Bishop.
I'm not going to pay money towatch Wayne, but I'll walk along
with you guys to try to givethose people an insight into
this and for the purposes ofwhatever legal affairs

(49:59):
department is going to attack mein the future in an effort to
get you to subscribe to YouTubedepartment is going to attack me
in the future in an effort toget you to subscribe to youtube.
Um, here, here is, uh, here's alittle, a little clip of them at
the table and I want people tojust listen and hear the various
dynamics.
Um, at play.

Speaker 5 (50:26):
That's Reggie sucking his teeth.
Isn't this nice, huh?
Everybody sitting together likefamily.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
There's fruit in the salad.

Speaker 5 (50:38):
Yeah, I know it's part of that Food pyramid or
whatever.
You know, maybe it's good thatthe party was cancelled, because
it's just more for us.
That's right, and I don't knowwhy I'm always feeding those
animals anyway.
Those are my friends, mama.
Well, one of your friends tooka dump in my nice plant pot.

Speaker 2 (50:57):
Mama.
Alright, now Reggie's lookingat Wayne.
Can you cut the meat off myribs?

Speaker 1 (51:02):
What you know.
You do it like I like.

Speaker 5 (51:04):
Oh, come on, what's the matter with you?
Cut your meat for you, weirdo,he come out of you.
Huh Him, no, this is Calvin'sboyfriend before.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Reggie comes out of what I call an effed up
relationship.

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I effed up and had relations with someone after too
many tall boys.
Oh my God, oh my God.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
It must be a relief.
He's not yours, no offense.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
None taken.
Okay, I'm going to pause rightthere.
Reggie is trying to make Waynefeel you know he's trying to
fuck with Wayne.
So he's saying, mom, hey, canyou come over?
Whatever Then they talk about,is he yours?
No, he didn't come out of me.
He came out of a fucked uprelationship.
I had too many tall boys andimpregnated somebody I shouldn't

(51:49):
have.
Reggie was a result.
And she says well, you lucky.
Uh uh.
Dell says, um, uh, let me getthe exact line.
Well, it's, it's must be arelief.
He's not yours.
And then she says to Reggie nooffense and he says none taken.
There is nothing more offensiveto say to someone than what an

(52:17):
absolute relief that thisperson's existence is not on
your head.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
Does not involve your DNA.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, and he goes none takenitan.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
he doesn't know so I, I there's so much um energy the
show expands on wayneprotecting people, um, and I
guess I'm particularly sensitiveto I've had this dynamic with
different friends in my life.
I have a few friends whospecifically are special to me

(52:51):
because they look out for me,like I have watched them do
things to protect me, and I'musually the protector.
In situations and in groups I'musually the one who's like you
know, make sure, and the peoplewho watch my back, like I
fucking treasure them, like I'mnot like, who's like you know,
making sure, and the people whowatch my back like I fucking
treasure them, like I'm not.
Like that is a real, a realthing.
And so right here I found myselfwatching Dell and thinking she

(53:17):
loves Wayne and, as far as she'sconcerned, fuck this lady and
fuck you, because I know you'refucking with my friend and if I
could stab you in the throat Iwould do it right now.
Like she is you people are notgonna hurt weight.
That is where she is and itfeels like everything she says
does, everywhere she looks,everything is you.

(53:40):
People are a nightmare and Iwill not allow you to hurt Wayne
and I just thought it was agreat to accomplish that with
her.
You know saying the littlethings she's saying, or saying
no offense in a way that is soclearly fuck you.
I mean, it's just it's.
It's really great writing andbeautiful acting, like you know

(54:04):
it really is.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
He just doesn't know, he can't track it, so he's like
none taken.
That's what you say, but it'slike no dude.
That's where he's still like.
Actually, my good man, thiswould be an ideal time to take
offense, because it was the mostoffensive thing.

Speaker 3 (54:22):
Jason Leith has ever done.
So you think he didn't catchwhat she was saying.
No, I wasn't sure.
I thought he was like all right, that's what we're doing, but
maybe I'm giving Reggie too muchcredit.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
I don't know.
I am more leaning towards the.
He is being so petty.
It's so flagrantly petty aboutwanting Maureen to act like his
mom and rubbing that in Wayne'sface that the one thing a bully
actually knows is not to letother people see you upset like

(54:59):
when you were a bully.
And he is bullying Wayne Delcan't come at him with oh I'm
really glad that he didn't comeout of you.
That must be a relief, becauseif he acknowledges that she is
trying to ridicule him, then hehas to face her on that.
So instead he's just like whatyou said doesn't even matter,
got it Okay Is what I took it tomean.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, no, you might be right.
I can't go so far as to givehim that level of thought.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
I don't think it's thought, though I think it's
instinct.
I think that's what makesbullies bullies is that they
just know how to zone in on thatshit.
I get that.
I don't think Donald Trump isthinking about what he says.
I think he has a terrible souland knows exactly what to say to
people to piss them off.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
That's very well articulated.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
Coach, we're going to hear.
We're going to hear your um.
I love what you said about Delland I love what you say about
people protecting theirprotectors.
Um, dell, is that there are no.
I I have never in my life.
I look at this and I say, myGod, I wish at some point I
could be this like, I guess,have the absolute surety of my

(56:15):
position in any scene.
You know where I go.
Yep, I know everybody here is afuckhead and it is totally
appropriate for me to whatever II just it's, you know, for her
to act out, or her to you would.
You would call it defending,but she is.
She is um like overt in herattack.

(56:37):
There's no subtlety to itwhatsoever.
It is like if she's I've neverseen her be bobby's daughter.
She's fearless.
There's no.
You know they're outnumbered.
Maybe this could go bad, butshe is just absolutely Well.
Let's listen to it and we'lltalk about it.
Hey, coffee boy Got lucky today.

(56:59):
I almost got, took it out bycamera.

Speaker 5 (57:03):
Why'd?

Speaker 3 (57:03):
you call him camera Because he puts motherfuckers to
sleep.
I'm still awake For now.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
Wow, does anybody want more potato salad?
Because it's so good.
It's very fancy.
It's got the skin still on.
It's got those tiny littlegreen.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 5 (57:14):
I'm sorry, do you not care how your son's been doing
for the past 11 goddamn years?
I'm not saying the quiet part,Really.
You know I noticed you'retaller, oh yeah, since he was
five.
That's kind of how it works.
Hey, Okay, that was a joke andI thought it was good.
Stop.
You know what.
You should really stop layingon the sun.
Your orange skin's distractingme from your one fake tit that's

(57:36):
bigger than your other fake tit.
All right, what the fuck?
Calm down.
You think you're better?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
than me.
Calm Dad's dead.
So Wayne says Dad's dead andeverybody kind of sits back.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
Calvin looks at Maureen she's really taking it
hard Cancer from his child.

Speaker 2 (57:58):
She puts on a smile.

Speaker 5 (58:01):
Yeah, we always work too much.
I told him I said those, thosefilms they're gonna get you.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Which worked out in my favor, just saying Wow, well,
maybe he rest in peace, right.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
She just crosses herself sort of who wants to
Everybody save in room, cause Igot into men's Rest in peace.

Speaker 5 (58:22):
She crosses herself sort of who wants to everybody's
saving room, Because I gotintimates.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Mama, can you give me some more hot seat please?
Sure.

Speaker 3 (58:36):
I just want to toss in, like they do really smart
stuff around class and the factthat, because I mean, first of
all, if you claim that you'vehad anything that's more simple,
genius than Entenmann's poundcake, you are a liar.

(58:56):
You are a dirty, dirty,stinking liar.
It is a simple, beautifulsweetness.
It is wonderful.
So I am not I.
I I I have and would be happyto enjoy some intimates, but it
is certainly not, uh, what theyserve at, uh, your finest

(59:19):
restaurants.
And to have that line followedby can you get me some more high
C please?
I just thought it was like sucha reminder of, like, where we
are and what the dynamic is here.
Yeah, the fake crossing Ishouldn't say fake, but you know
, just sort of like well, shekind of didn't know how to do it
.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, I guess this is what you do when people die.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
It was was very awkward.
There's a lot here built in tojust make sure we understand who
we're dealing with.
Also, that the unsaid part.
Everybody knew what wasn'tbeing said, so it only took a
small amount of provocation foreverybody to launch into.
Oh, you think you're betterthan me?
Whoa, it worked out for me.
There's a lot under the surfacehere and it makes a scene that

(01:00:07):
if you just read the words whogives a shit?
It makes it sizzle.
Everybody at this table hassome shit they'd like to say,
including Del, who's probablythe one who said the most about
that.
She's got in the holster,anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
Knowing that this is a pressure cooker, it's very
astute, it's just great showrunning.
You have Reggie say Mom, canyou get me mohassi please?
She's only too happy to get upand get away from anything she
knew to get away when she leansin to get his his uh drink he
kissed, he kisses her cheek.

(01:00:44):
Um, watching wayne as he doesit.
Um, or earlier I meant tomention I didn't want to talk
over it too much, but um, whenhe said none taken, he winked at
dell, yeah, yeah yeah, this isgeneration two of this dynamic.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
By the way, I mean him kissing mom, and looking
over is the postcard.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
I mean it's yeah, we won yeah, and that's why I don't
think dell is.
I understand what she'sactually saying and I understand
why people would say she isbeing wildly aggressive.
I would say that she ismatching the actual aggression
in the room.
I think that she's coming at itexactly right.

(01:01:26):
That reggie and uh dad's name,who I can't remember right now,
even though you just told mecalvin, calvin calvin.
Yeah, god, um, that they arebeing intentionally aggressive.
They are doing it outwardly.
Maureen is being passiveaggressive by refusing to

(01:01:47):
acknowledge the fact that shehasn't seen her son in 11 years,
that she left.
She left him when she was five,that she never came back and
never followed up.
They're all being aggressive intheir own ways and Del is
calling them out on it and thisshit happens all the time time.
Two different degrees inregular society, where one
person will be sort of anasshole and the person that

(01:02:08):
calls them out on it is seen asbeing aggressive yeah I'm like
that motherfucker was an assholefirst yeah

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
you guys didn't pick up on it because you didn't
understand what they were doing,but they were being an asshole
first also and I know I'vetalked about this before, so
I'll be quick there's a thingwhere people choose their peace
over my justice yes and it'slike, yeah, no, I'm not gonna
sit here and let this fuckingdinner conversation just sort of
like roll along when I've been,I'm being screwed through this

(01:02:35):
whole situation and I I'm withyou on that.
Sometimes I envy people who havesome skill in the area of
dressing up their shittybehavior, because my reaction is
, if I mean fuck you, prettysoon I'm going to say fuck you
and there is part of me that'slike.

(01:02:55):
That does seem to be a skillset of being able to poke and
poke and poke without doinganything that the people around
would see as starting the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Thank you, old boy Right.
I want to point out that,layered in on top of Del's just
irritation and annoyance withwhatever the hell maureen is, is
the fact they could have stolenthe car and left.

(01:03:28):
Why the fuck are they here?
This is not, this was never,ever part of the plan that was
communicated to her.
Like, like.
Sometimes she feels like she'sgetting dragged around, you know
, by this guy, this dinosaur,and she's like, jesus christ, I
have no free will.
Like.
Now we're sitting at a, at atable with this guy with a gold,

(01:03:51):
uh grill on his teeth, like and, and the guy that's the two
people that stole his car andthe mother that walked out, like
, what, what is?

Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
yeah, it's so.
That last part is she left hershitty family in order for him
to go find his, and that's whyshe's pissed off, because she
thought that this was not we'regoing to find something else.
We're going to go be somethingelse together yes, we're going
to go find your car, and we'regoing to do that yes now you
want me I I already left onemotherfucker in the hospital and

(01:04:21):
you want me to sit and havedinner and be polite with your
shitty mom, even though she leftyou, like she's right.
She's right that she.
I understand why she is annoyedwith wayne that he doesn't seem
to be standing up for himself,but more than that, I understand
why she is pissed off that heis subjecting her to shitty
people when he was supposed tobe part of the way that she got

(01:04:43):
out of that yeah, no, that'sthat's really wonderfully stated
and and I would say that shealso has.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
For all that, her mother wasn't.
Her mother loved her.
Her mother didn't mean to leaveher.
Her mother had her own lovedher.
Her mother didn't mean to leaveher.
Her mother had her own demons,her own problems, and that's the
way it went.
The idea that someone chose tocause the pain she knows because
she lost her mother, it strikesme as like that's unthinkable

(01:05:17):
to do.
Like you did this, like thisisn't a thing that happened.
You did this right.
Like you're the worst.
You are the actual fuckingworst.
And it's comparing this to toted lasso real quick.
It's interesting that we have ashow we started with about bad
dads.
This scene is, in a way, allabout bad moms.

(01:05:41):
Whoever was at the end of thosetall boys probably isn't prime
minister of any countries rightnow.
We've got, you know, we'resitting here with this situation
, and we've got a person who youknow substance abuse their way
out of their children's life.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
I mean it's it's tough yeah, and to go back to
Del's mom just for a second.
But she, you know, bobby said,they said it was an accident,
which is like maybe leaves alittle bit of gray area for was
it possibly death by suicide?
How did that happen?
Did she overdose?
Whatever it was, she made amistake, intentionally or not

(01:06:21):
once.
And Wayne has woken up everysingle morning for 11 solid
years and chosen every day tonot be in contact with Wayne.
That's right.

Speaker 3 (01:06:32):
Can't get around that You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Just as I was listing out these over-the-top, these
big, big, exciting performances,we can't forget about Donna
Lucchetti, played by AbigailSpencer, which just hit it out
of the park.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
We saw so little of her and the impact was so huge.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Like I can, see her One episode, I feel her, that's
it.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
One episode.

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
Oh, is she really in one, wow.
And Michaela Watkins is?
We?
We've waited till episode eightto see her.
So this is what I'm saying,like, how about dean winters?
How about mike o'malley asbutthole?
Tommy cole, you know.
How about the champagnebrothers, carl and teddy john
champagne and jamie champagneplaying.
Carl and teddy lucetti, uh.
Steven kieran as sergeantgeller, james earl as officer.

(01:07:19):
Jay getti, you just uh.
Joshua jay williams is orlando.
You're, you're the.
The writing the.
You're like, how does a?
How does a tiny little showmade in the weirdest, uh era of
television on a streamer thathad never made a show?
You know it's like it was themost bizarre thing, but you know

(01:07:40):
they read the script and wentlike holy shit, actorbait is
real, it's real.
They read this and they go oh,my god, I want to do this.
Where can you see?
Okay, this was made in 2019.
That's when Wayne was made as ashow.
What has happened since thenwhere you could have lines like

(01:08:03):
this, not all that.
I'm not saying it doesn'thappen.
Here and there there are thesegreat, beautiful things, but
it's just few and far between,and when you get a script like
this, people just jump on.
I'm going to finish up thislittle dining scene with Wayne
and Reggie staring daggers ateach other.
Real, oh, boss, go ahead.
You had something.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Yes, I'm just realizing right now that Teddy
Lucchetti is one of theshittiest names I've ever heard
in my entire life.
That is fucking yeah no, that's.
I knew a guy whose name wasRuben Hood and Teddy Lucchetti
is somehow.

Speaker 2 (01:08:47):
Ruben.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Hood is is that Ruben Hood steal?

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
sandwiches from the rich and gives them to the poor.

Speaker 4 (01:08:52):
That is rough.
I I swear to God, I met a manwhose name was Ruben Hood and I
knew a different guy whose namewas Ben hard.
Like those are real people thatI knew in my life.
You know iten Hood.
And I knew a different guywhose name was Ben Hard.
Like those are real people thatI knew in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
You know it's funny and it may say it probably does
say a lot more about me than itdoes the world.
I actually, when we werethinking about names, did try to
think through like, whatnickname what?
Like?
What am I?
Am I?
That was actually part of thetest.
It's like am I doing somethingI'm not seeing?

(01:09:24):
And actually longer story.
But I wanted Alex to be OrlandoJr at first Whole story about
my upbringing but blah, blah,blah.
That's what I wanted.
And Daphne wasn't into it andwe were talking about that and
she said they're going to callhim OJ, yes, and I was so pissed

(01:09:46):
I was like that is cheating,but I knew she was right.
Like I knew she was right, butI was like that is cheating.
You just won this argument.
There's nothing I can come backwith that says it's going to be
a good idea for us to set ourkid up to be nicknamed OJ.
So I guess I'm done here.
But yeah, you got that.
Ben Hard Oof, wow.

Speaker 2 (01:10:10):
That's interesting.
I come from a family wherethere's a lot of my dad named
his oldest after him and stufflike Junior, and I'm like just
give people their own names,just they should get, at least
they should get their own name.
That's all that's.
I listen, I understand whenpeople there is a legacy thing,
there's, that you know.
So let's, let's, let's buildthis line of course.

(01:10:31):
Uh, you went to yale, so you're, you know, you have that like
whole, um, you know thatpedigree of affluence, sure,
absolutely, and snottiness,absolutely.
Um, you do, you like it's, it's, it's.
I mean, it's not, it's not yourfault, it's just it's just an
aura around me, right, yeah?
yeah yeah, entitled right, uh,snottiness, I would say.

Speaker 3 (01:10:52):
I don't know if I'm, that might be my whole essay, my
whole college essay, was Ithank you for bequeathing my
birthright.
That was the whole it was.
It was one sentence that was it?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
See that my acceptance is delivered properly
, Exactly, Alright, so here'sthe end of the scene.
It's silent.
So I'm just going to tell youwhat happened.
It was silent-ish, Not a lot ofdialogue, Staring daggers
across the table.
It's a full, tight shot onWayne.
One, uh, one shot of just himin frame.

(01:11:25):
Um, and real, real sort ofblurred out background Doesn't
even go.
It's tight enough that it'sagain cuts through his head.
So the top of the frame cutsthrough his head.
We're not even, you know, likeget the whole.
It's like we're tight and uh,across the table you have reggie
with his shit eating grin andjust just standing there.

(01:11:48):
It's again another sort ofwestern draw type of uh setup
which they love in this show.
Um and um, wayne does a quickdraw and he takes a it.
It reminds me of the thing theyuse in the for the.
Whatever the prop is.
It's funny when you actuallyknow how the, how the sausage is
made, you can imagine, um, thatit's not a plate that he throws

(01:12:11):
.
Uh, it's, it's like a uh, youknow, it's usually styrofoam or
something like that, or you orsomething like that, or a
Frisbee-like kind of thing, soft, it still can sting when it
hits.
But then you get your Foleyartist to come in and drop in
sound and changes the entirevibe of it.
But what Wayne does is he justquick draws this plate that

(01:12:35):
looks like old-school.
What's that?
Is it Farber?
What's the old-school whiteplate?

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
That might be right.
You start saying saying it.
It sounded like with the yellowleaf, leaf.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
Well, it just feels like those heavy plates, it
feels like yeah, yeah, yeah oneof those.
It wasn't like a light, you knowsort of like dainty thing.
It was like a club and he hucksit.
It hits Reggie right in thenose and breaks his nose
probably, and there's a spurt ofblood and Reggie gets up
holding his face and Waynesmiles and then we instantly cut

(01:13:09):
back to that was an internal itwas like an Ally McBeal
internal thought of Wayne's.
Yeah, and I know we've seen acouple they got me, by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Oh yeah, no, no, no, I thought he had done it, they
100% got me.
I was like, oh boy, here we go,let's play the feud.
But yeah, it was well done.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
That's what's so.
You know he would.
It's almost amazing that hedoesn't.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
Yeah, absolutely, he is definitely considering it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:43):
He is definitely considering.
I was hoping that they would gowith that.
I was a little disappointed.
When it turns out it was, uh,just a thought, because I sort
of wanted him to be like I toldyou dad's dead.
You're still not paying anyfucking attention.
Time to beat your family's assI, I totally get.

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
I, I understand that, but in a way I was, I was the
other way.
I went, I was like, yes,because that's wish we want
again.
Way, wayne is a lot aboutjustice porn, it's about wish
fulfillment.
That's what we want.
We want assholes to get theircomeuppance, but it's like, you
know, great sex doesn't go rightto the act.
We want the foreplay, we wantthat.

(01:14:17):
I want the buildup, as I wantto see these two dance a little
before we establish a bit.
We know Wayne is tough as nails, we know this.
But we also know that Reggie'sno pushover, that's been
established.
Go ahead, coach.
What were you going to say?

Speaker 3 (01:14:32):
No, no, no.
Yeah, I was just agreeing withthat.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
He's moved up in opponent, and this is the thing.
So does he line up againstCalvin, who stole the car, or
does he line up against Reggie,who's like becoming the de facto
oppositional candidate?
Who lines up against againstMaureen?
Is it dead Like Maureen?

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
you're trying to no, no, no, no, no.
Wayne's fight is with Maureen.
The Reggie andvin are thefucking the way that she escaped
you.
Don't go after the train whenit takes your mom away.
You fucking have an argumentwith your mom yes, but does it
seem.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
How many times, oh my god, how many times over the
years have you told a friend orsomeone told you like you're mad
at the wrong person?
I mean, I know I do it, yeah ona daily basis.
sometimes we can't see for theforest, for the trees, and, uh,
you know, oh, I'm so mad at the,at the, uh, you know, my, my
wife's new husband, or somethinglike dude, like you're not mad
that that guy's inconsequentialright, so, so, but it's very um,

(01:15:36):
in this scene at least least, Iwill offer that in choosing not
to do that, wayne is making anincredibly un-Wayne-esque choice
, which must have a reason.
He must feel so powerfullyabout something else that has
not been called out to thispoint that it is staying his

(01:16:00):
hand.
We're going to play this alittle bit so we can close the
loop and then we'll pick it up.
Has not been called out to thispoint that it is staying his
hand, so let's play.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
We're going to play this a little bit so we can
close the loop and then we'llpick it up.
Wayne is staring Reggie smilesat him.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
Okay, and then we cut back to Reggie sucking his
teeth.
Sorry if I blew anyone'seardrums out with that, jesus
Christ.
Hopefully Luke, our stellareditor, will probably try to
lower the level on that, becausethat came in really loud it
came in real hot, got a hotroller.

(01:16:39):
Now we cut to Okay, that's how,okay, that's how the scene ends
, and we don't have any closure.
We just know there's a lot oftension in that trailer.
Right, yeah, that's it.
I mean, that's it To this point.
No one popped off.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
You know, calvin seemed more irritated about the
fruit in his salad than he didhaving whatever the hell.
You know Maureen's kid.
You know what I mean.
Just everyone's like whatever Alittle bit of a holding pattern
there.
Now we cut to the strip cluband, boss, can you walk us
through this?
I love this.
We got a shot from behind thebouncer.

(01:17:19):
I love this.
We get a shot from behind thebouncer.
He is a huge black man with likea tactical vest on and no
sleeves, just like this.
He's like a like a soldier offortune kind of kind of vibe and
the shot is looking past his.
We see his back in in theleft-handed side of the frame.
It's a beautiful shot Again,great shot composition, because

(01:17:39):
again, when you're making a, anyDP worth their salt will tell
you depth is the key toeverything.
And you have this shot wherenot only do we have the depth of
him with the, with the uh, thevelvet barricade thing in front
of him, and then the depth tothe door, but they open the door
and you have light stream infrom the outside, which is, you

(01:17:59):
know, you don't have to to be aphilosophy major to see the.
You know the light and darknesskind of kind of set up here.
So, boss, walk us through this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:10):
Oh I, it's interesting to me that you went
with the light and the darknesstype thing, because I thought it
was more like hey, you turn onthe lights and I don't want to
say that the roaches scurry,because I don't want to besmirch
any of the the customers here,but it's sort of like a like
shut it, what are you doing?
right, yes, um, but yeah,orlando is walking into the

(01:18:32):
strip club, first, followed bybutthole tommy cole.
Uh, walking up saying hi, andhe's the bouncer says you ain't
getting in here, little man.
Uh, he says I'm crystal's kid,and the bouncer takes a second
and then he moves the rope andlets him through magnificent and
then butthole, tommy cole says15 or the bouncer says 15 bucks

(01:18:55):
and he says to the bouncer uh,I'm crystal's accountant.
And Bouncer says then write thatshit off.
And then Tommy Cole has tosearch his pockets.
Can I get a receipt?
Wait, did you?

Speaker 2 (01:19:06):
just sigh because you can't write that off.
Did you just sigh for that?

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
No, no, no, no, no.
That was Tommy Cole's response,that he was kind of looking at
Orlando as he was walking away.

Speaker 1 (01:19:17):
Oh, I thought you were making him.

Speaker 4 (01:19:20):
No, no, no.
That motherfucker worked forhim.
This shit doesn't work for me,god damn it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
No, it's true.

Speaker 4 (01:19:28):
Black people get all the advantages.
That's what I've been sayingfor years.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
No, no, no, Obviously .

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
God damn it.
Someday I'm going to get introuble for something Obviously,
and they're going to go backand just cut.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
No, no, no.
The clips on this show I am.
They'll shoot us into space.
I am fucked.
So he goes through.
Michael Malley goes through hiswallet here.

Speaker 4 (01:19:51):
It was just a joke, just a little accountant humor,
which does happen more oftenthan you might expect it.
There you go, good day, andthen he gets to go through.
And as he gets to go through,and as he's walking in, finally
to Orlando, he says how did youknow there'd be a crystal here?
And Orlando said dude, there'salways a crystal, which is true.

(01:20:12):
I just got done rewatching 30Rock and on the St Patrick's Day
episode, liz Lemon is hangingout the window shouting Megan,
megan and her boyfriend is likeoh my God, there's so many of
them turning around.
Hey, hey, megan, so it's a goodcall, like if you're at a strip

(01:20:35):
club, there's probably at leastone woman named Crystal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
He didn't pause, he's just like I'm Crystal's kid.
Yeah, I'm Crystal's kid.
The guy bought it, hooked lineand sinker opened.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
The thing opened the little you know, the only part I
don't get is if he wasCrystal's kid, why would she
tell him to go there?
Why would she be like hey, meetme at work and walk through the
front of the strip club inorder to find me in the that's a
good point front of the stripclub in order to find me in the
like that's a good point, it'sgreat.
The joke works really well.
I love the joke.

(01:21:05):
I'm not picking on it.
I'm saying there should havebeen a little more thought to
the.
Well, you go, stand outside andI'll send crystal out to you
let's keep let's continue, let'scontinue all right.
Uh.
So they're walking through thestrip club and you hear all the

(01:21:26):
things that they say uh, like Isee you.
Oh, that looks great.
But he says, these places nevermake sense to me.
This is uh tommy colt, notorlando.
You got all these women.
They have their clothes off andthey would never, ever do it
with you.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Never, never, ever would do it with you.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
By the way, I understand that their
relationship has changed overthe past few days but, tommy
Cole, this might not be the mostappropriate conversation to be
having with one of your students, one of your underage students.

Speaker 2 (01:21:54):
I don't know who led you into the strip club.
I don't know.
Yes, is he under?
I guess he's what, 16?

Speaker 4 (01:22:02):
Well, yeah, Wayne is 16.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah no, he's definitely under.
I mean he's under all the ages.
Like there's no.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
Yeah, like he did need his grandmother's
permission to leave the state.

Speaker 2 (01:22:12):
He is not 18, at least, so you get your, you get
all, you pay your money.

Speaker 4 (01:22:20):
Pay your money.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
Get all worked up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Get up oh yeah, you pay your money, you go home.
Yeah, you get up, you go homeand you're all worked up.

Speaker 4 (01:22:31):
It's like paying a restaurant to smell the food.
I laughed at that line.

Speaker 3 (01:22:34):
I like yeah, I just thought that was a I'm a sucker
for analogies that really lineup and to me it was like that is
correct.
Whether you agree with theman's point or not, that is
perfectly stated.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
Listen, we've talked about Chef Close in the past.
I don't want to belabor thepoint, but I am always
fascinated by whoever I walkinto the club with and whatever
subtle thing changes.
It's just really interesting.
It's like a different maskcomes on with certain people and
whatever subtle thing changes,and and it's just really
interesting that people, it'slike a different mask comes on
with certain people and I I'mtoo, I guess, dumb to like
change it up.
I'm always just fascinated andthen I just try to make

(01:23:12):
everybody feel good.
I just I just make, just sayokay, no, no, not that way, boss
, okay, no way boss, um, okay,no, no, I just make sure.
I told you I've never had a.
The only time people bought melap dances, I just go listen,
you don't want to do it, I don'twant to do it, so let's just,
you want I'll grab you a beer.
And then they tell me great,then it's fascinating and then I
have a great time.
They say like I, where Iinterview them, like whatever,

(01:23:34):
and but I don't do it.
If I get the sense like it'sonly three times, I don't.
I just not into it, kind of, Idon't know, maybe it's only
three times, I don't, I'm justnot into it.
I just kind of, I don't know,maybe it's like a might be a
sensory thing, I don't know.
I just don't want somebody, Idon't know, all over Whatever.
Whatever it is, I'm just likeit just doesn't.
It doesn't whatever Isn't itcalled, and I may get this very

(01:24:06):
wrong, but sapiosexual I believe.
Yeah, so maybe you find thatout.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Coach, listen, it's not like I can't appreciate the
beauty and all of its forms.

Speaker 2 (01:24:09):
I think whatever, but it doesn't do.
I'm closer to uh, to tobutthole tommy cole, his, his
thing.
I'm like, um, yeah, it justgets me.
I guess I don't get worked up,but I'm like, I just what?
I don't.
I just I've never, ever, ever.
I know that it hits a hugepercentage of of us, me and
whoever else who's like I justget.

(01:24:43):
I'm fascinated by the, thepageantry of it, and the, the,
the men who like, are trying ona different persona, or you know
like when I see someone paysomeone to go back for a private
dance and and I'm like okay,and I just like try to think
about the psychology behind itand especially if I know the

(01:25:03):
person, I know them, I go okay,this is like fascinating, like
you know what I mean.
So, and again, it's like notjudgment, it's, it's, this, is,
this is a hundred percent, tedLasso.
I'm curious, I'm not judgmental.
I want everybody to have agreat time.
I'm thrilled that people aremaking money.
I'm thrilled that it's legal,I'm thrilled that it's safe or
whatever.
No problem with any of it.
I just, for whatever reason,it's not, it sucks, because I

(01:25:27):
don't get it.
So I'm closer to Tommy Cole'stake on this.
And Orlando rightly points outdude, could you just shut up and
enjoy the Nekid, theN-E-K-K-I-D.
And what does Tommy Cole say?

Speaker 4 (01:25:46):
What's the Nekid?
Orlando said the Nekid, youknow, look, there's the buffet,
the Nekid.
He couldn't understand theNekid.
Oh, the Naked.

Speaker 3 (01:25:58):
I love that choice.
I loved that choice.
I loved him working out the,the solving the puzzle on his
own, and there's a funny jokeyou could write between him and
orlando there and orlandoexplains it, but I don't.
To me there was somethingfunnier and and more real about

(01:26:19):
him going naked watch watchinghim take a second to figure it
out the way they did it, andthis is again.

Speaker 2 (01:26:27):
Editing is huge for for, uh, leading people down a
path.
Orlando leaves the frame.
There's a shot of tommy colestanding there.
He's in frame, right, he's justby himself, single in the frame
.
What's?
What's the naked?
And then there's an answer.
We get a shot of the stage.

Speaker 4 (01:26:44):
The girl does a atomic butt drop, and then we
get go back to tommy colo and wego oh, the naked cut, yes boss,
I don't want to disrail thisalready train wreck of an
episode, uh, but I would like tosay number one there's a
difference between standardstripping and some of the pole
dancing work that I've seen invideos that I need to call out

(01:27:07):
specifically because there issome shit that women are doing
out there.
And I would also specificallysay I believe, as most good
things do, it originated withblack women just doing like
tremendous amounts of aerobicacrobatics on these poles, like
I think maybe I've evenmentioned before.
There's one a pole must be like25, 30 feet up in the air and a

(01:27:30):
woman scales it all the way upwearing heels I could not sit in
like they are fucking wild getsall the way up to the top, yeah
, slides down with just her legsthe entire pole.
Stops herself with just herlegs right before the edge of
the stage and then just whipsher hair around, yeah, it along
to the beat, to the song likewhere have I seen that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I feel like that's like a cop we've all.
I know exactly the one you'retalking about.
Yes, was it in some show that?

Speaker 4 (01:27:56):
we've all seen I feel like it was just online where
people were like, listen, thereis stripping, and then there is
whatever is happening here,because this, like you need to,
you need to give her all of themoney, every dollar you've ever
had.
She just earned it, she, shehas it now.

Speaker 2 (01:28:10):
It looks like Cirque du Soleil.
You're just go.
I don't understand how you'rethis strong Like I don't know
how you can get it.
How, kidding me like how howdid you get I know where it was?
It was on that, um.
It was on that show about thestrip club in province, was it?

Speaker 4 (01:28:28):
uh, oh, p town or something.
Yeah, p something, p valley, pvalley, was it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:31):
I think that's where it was I think that's probably
what it was okay, but I knowwhat you're talking about and
it's impressive and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
Pole dancing is now things that suburban moms do For
health, like women go, and Idon't know if they have men too,
but I know women do, and thenthey go buy their own pole to
set up in their house topractice and it's like grueling,
it's really hardcore workoutand I don't know what.

Speaker 4 (01:28:59):
Yeah, I mean it's anyway it's its own art form is
what I want to say and that'snot to denigrate what you would
imagine to be stripping is itsown art form, but there's some
shit happening that's just wildin a great way.
The other thing is that, foranybody who's ever played any of
the Witcher video games, when Ifirst saw the bad guys called

(01:29:22):
the Neers, I remarked to theboyfriend I don't understand why
they got called out for thatspecifically.
And he said what are youtalking about?
And I was like why are theycalled neckers when none of the
other bad guys are?
And he's like do you think theycall them that because they're
naked?
I was like I don't understandwhy else they would.
And he was like like no, it'snot because they're naked,
they're all naked.

(01:29:43):
It's fucking fantasy world.
What are you talking about?
So I was with Tom, but wholetime Nicole.
I'm not understanding.

Speaker 2 (01:29:53):
So about the whole time Nicole figured it out and
then we get a little quickinsert and then, oh, he's right
over to the free food bar.
What's it called?
The little buffet.
Yes, thank you.
Thank you, coach.
Now Orlando stops him, hehustles over, but whole Tommy

(01:30:13):
Cole's got like a spring in hisstep Because, remember, to set
this up, he was starving and hewas hangry and he was yelling at
Orlando and apologizing becausehe's so hungry and the only
place to get a meal is anytimeday or night is at a strip club.
So they go to the buffet.
Orlando says a few rules Nevertake the top plate, always use

(01:30:33):
the tongs and never get the lastof anything.
The whole time.
Coach, it's just lip service,right?
What does Michael Malley sayhere?
What is the?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
whole time.
He's just like he wouldprobably eat the sneeze guard at
this point.
He's just nah right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, he'sjust yowling him to death.
Never get the last of anything.
There's always a fresh batch onits way.
Orlando says okay, great, tommycalls yeah, yeah, yeah.
First thing he does is reachfor the last shrimp.
What does Orlando say?
He slaps his hand.

Speaker 3 (01:31:10):
Excuse me.
I mean you talk about rolereversal.
He is now right, he's the guideand he slaps his hand away and
he goes hey, what'd I just say?
He's like you're not hearing meand to his credit.
But whole Tommy Cole says yeah,I wasn't listening.

Speaker 2 (01:31:28):
Yeah, I wasn't listening.
All my yas meant nothingBecause I wasn't listening.
And then we're out of thatscene.
It's just funny that he goesfor the shrimp and gets slapped
by his student, and it's justorlando I gotta say I listen, we
do what we must in a desperatesituation.

Speaker 3 (01:31:46):
The minute we pulled up in front of a strip club to
solve hunger, I thought, goodgod guys like, if you, if, if,
if neither of you ends up in aner, this is a win.
Because no, no, no, no, no.
I just, I don't know why I'vedecided like that, but that just

(01:32:10):
don't, just don't do not whyare you eating?

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
there it's a show of odd choices, coach, and you know
they make.
That's eating at strip clubs.
You're kissing in morgues.
It's, it's a, it's a wholething.
It's a whole right.
They just turned.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
You're right, you're right, but it makes total sense
for the characters.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
Now we cut back to the mobile home.
Wayne is sitting by himself infront of the Scarface mural.
Del walks up Well, that wasfucking delightful.
She says what are we stilldoing here?
And delightful.
She says what are we stilldoing here?
And he says you know?
He shrugs, he says I don't know, she made us supper.
And Del says what here, boss?

Speaker 4 (01:32:49):
Yeah, mother of the fucking year.

Speaker 2 (01:32:51):
Yeah, mother of fucking year.
Now she says now, can youplease take the car and get the
hell out of here?
And right as she says that, incomes Reggie.
There you fucking is.
Hey, you want to see something.
And Wayne says depends what itis, it's just like that.
It's like oh, you know.
Wayne's like really whatever.

(01:33:13):
And Reggie's like oh, dependswhat it is, wayne says.
And he says it's my birthdaypresent.
And then he sucks his teeth,leans into Del and says I'm
taking your boyfriend.
And Wayne is like ugh, doesn'twant to do it, to which Reggie

(01:33:34):
says what coach Come on bitch,hurry up.

Speaker 3 (01:33:38):
I mean Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:33:42):
Wayne does like a hand shrug kind of thing Like
ugh.
Right, it's like ugh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:49):
Yeah, and then, as they're walking out, I thought
this was really interesting herecomes mom, you two go play nice
huh.
And there's a certain and I'mgoing to try to capture it
because there's a certain vibewith people who and I feel like

(01:34:09):
women I've seen it more as athing women have do when it's
like we don't usually have nicesupper, don't usually have nice
supper.
We know that there's a nicerway for life to be, but this is
where we are and trying to likedress it up and you know, the
whole idea is this is nicefamily supper?
Like what's nice family supper?

(01:34:30):
This one's face is bloodied.
We're here because I left mychild 11 years ago.
Like it's not.
These two are not now gonnabecome besties and go play
Roblox, Like what the fuck.
But she's holding on to thisidea.
She even pops them with thetowel.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
They might, you never know.

Speaker 3 (01:34:49):
But yeah, there's something like I just want to
have a decent life and I guessthat wasn't in the cards for me.
That's built into everythingshe says and does.

Speaker 2 (01:35:01):
I guess this is life then yeah well, it's also a
testament to people who have toendure uh brutal changes and
roll with them.
They learn, you know it's acoping mechanism.
They had to learn to, yeah,roll with every crazy thing that
gets thrown their way.
I'm sure, uh, life with calvinis is just a utopia for Maureen.

(01:35:21):
So she's built up this abilityto kind of roll with things and
when Wayne walks out she whackshim with her dishrag on the butt
and says you kids have fun,play nice you guys.

Speaker 4 (01:35:36):
I don't know if that is rolling with things so much
as aggressively brushing pastthem.
I just need to call out thatdifference.
I know a lot of people that arelaid back and if we need to
move things by 20 minutes,they're fine with that.
And there are other peoplewhere you're saying we can't
leave yet because we have all ofthis shit to get done and
they're like, oh, it'll be fine.

(01:35:57):
I'm like, well, it's not fine,we need to deal with this shit.

Speaker 3 (01:35:59):
Den.
Like oh, it'll be fine, likewell, it's not fine.
We need to deal with this shit.
Denial and acceptance, I think,is the yes.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
But it presupposes self-awareness, which I don't
think Morgan necessarily has.
You have to be aware of thattoo.
I think it's her version ofrolling past it.
It's just a.
I don't think she has safetyand therefore she has to
manufacture some internal umevenness in order to navigate

(01:36:24):
what is inherently an unsafesituation that she lives I.

Speaker 4 (01:36:30):
I don't know if it's unsafe for her, I any more so
than any other situation wouldbe, and I think saying that she
is unaware of it makes it seemlike she doesn't know that she
is gravitating towards somethingthat makes her feel better.
That is what she knows, whatshe absolutely knows is that

(01:36:50):
she's aware of her situation.

Speaker 2 (01:36:52):
She's not naturally self-aware.
She is not doing a lot of deepintrospection, I don't think.
I think she's just a a personwho reacts and and moves along
and that's what she's figuredout how to do, and whatever it's
.
It's hard to say.
We're not going to be able tofigure out if, if, if my version

(01:37:13):
is is, uh, more correct thanyours, or yours is more correct
than mine, but I think that, ineither case, would you at least
say this is the way that shemanages, it's the way she gets
through these types ofsituations.

Speaker 4 (01:37:31):
To an extent, yes.
My issue is that I don't needher to be deeply introspective
and say, like I acknowledge Iwas unable to deal with the
stress of my early marriage andmy children so I left because I
couldn't handle that.
Like it doesn't matter what shethinks about herself If she is,

(01:37:56):
she has to know she left herkid and she has to know that
this isn't a happy situation andshe is choosing to put on a
happy face and blow past it toother people's detriment,
because it's too hard for her todeal with.

Speaker 2 (01:38:12):
Because that's how.
What she knows about it isirrelevant to her Right, but
this is her coping mechanism.
That's all I'm saying.
I'm agreeing with you.
This is how she copes Right orwrong level of introspection no
level introspection either waythis is how she does.
This is her mo right yeah soshe says to to dell you know
wayne goes off with reggiedell's left sitting there.
She says to tell uh, what doesshe say here, coach?

Speaker 3 (01:38:35):
I could use some help with the dishes in there, right
, and Del, dutiful girlfriend ofthis woman's son, understanding
she wants to impress herin-laws says oh okay, you want
me to go get your husband orwhatever he is.
I mean, del is like we've seenher with waitress, we've seen

(01:38:56):
her in some Like this is glovesoff.
I am not holding anything backwith you, lady, do not.
We're not going to smile ateach other.
You hurt my Wayne, and no, Iwas Actually at this moment.
I did find myself going and itshows how much we, even if we

(01:39:17):
don't want to lean toward nice,where I was, like all don't take
it easy.
Like just go, go, go help thelady with the dishes so you can
get that lot of but like I Irespect that she was like I'm
not helping you with the fuckingdishes.
Um, yeah it, it worked for me.
And again it's felt like moreof mom saying we're gonna act

(01:39:38):
like this is a normal scene.
And you've been brought home asthe girlfriend and now we're
gonna go in and do the a normalscene.
And you've been brought home asthe girlfriend and now we're
going to go in and do the disheswhile the boys go play, and
it's all going to be a picture Ihave in my head.

Speaker 2 (01:39:48):
Yeah, well, that's what women are supposed to do
Dishes yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:39:51):
The inherent outside of the fact that Maureen's being
a real bitch.
The inherent sexism involvedmade me want to side with Belle
immediately.
The inherent sexism involvedmade me want to side with bell
immediately.
If you were ever a guest insomebody's home and they ask you
, based on your gender, to helpout, you go ahead and tell them
to fuck off.
That's.

Speaker 2 (01:40:09):
That's emily chambers version of emily post oh my god
, all right, we don't have time.
It needs to happen, but wedon't have going.
Yeah, no, it is many articles.
Emily posts.
Fucking boss needs to write.
She's so lazy.
Oh my god, so late.

Speaker 3 (01:40:24):
She's like article from boss.
Like I almost want to just stoprecording right now and just
start like let's go, let's getto work.

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Oh, she's for those you can't.
This is an audio audio platform, so you can't see her laughing
in my face and yeah because Ishe just knows the pain it
causes me because I really wantto read a bunch of things.
And then she looks at hercomputer and she goes you know,
he's waiting for me to write anarticle for the website.
And then she looks over at heredibles and she's like oh God

(01:40:53):
that is true, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:40:54):
I did.
I thought about an article theother day while I was on an
edible about how I need to write.
I almost wrote it.
I'm going to try harder tonight.
I'll try real hard tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:41:02):
Yeah, no, I believe you.
I want to point out that, okay,I thought this was a
fascinating choice.
I've never seen it mentionedand I read everything I can on
Wayne.
I read every thread and everypost and every interview and I'm
a die hard that way.
Um, I've never seen thismentioned, but do you guys

(01:41:24):
notice anything in thisparticular shot?
You know what?
I'm going to screen cap thisand I'm going to put it in.
Oh sorry, let's get the, the um, the response to that you want
me to get your husband, orwhatever he is, and then boss.
What does maureen respond with?

Speaker 4 (01:41:39):
oh yeah, if it ain't a car or my tits, he ain't
putting his hands on it.

Speaker 3 (01:41:46):
Like this is supposed to be a very am I right?
Yeah, Kind of a moment.

Speaker 4 (01:41:52):
That's obviously what you want to hear your
boyfriend's estranged mother sayto you within an hour or two of
meeting her.

Speaker 2 (01:41:59):
Yeah, delsis, thanks for that picture um, and gets up
to follow her.
Uh, because at least whatever Ireally want to discuss if
maureen is being a bitch but wedon't have time we're going to
come back to it.
No, no, we're gonna.
I know, I know you're likecertain that she is being a
bitch, and I'm, and I wouldargue she's completely not being
a bitch.
She's completely not being abitch and and the whatever this,

(01:42:27):
uh, her not being a bitch, thatis definitely her being a bitch
in your mind is enough to foolsomebody as dumb as me.
I'm just, I'm just putting itout there that I can't read the
non-bitch bitch of this, um, butI want to point out this and
we'll come back to that, becauselater in another episode I
think we'll have have time totalk about it.
You guys see anything in thisparticular frame?
I have now screen capped it.
I'm going to post it on thesite, community site.

(01:42:50):
What do you see here?
Anything jump out at you.

Speaker 4 (01:42:57):
You mean that fancy-ass TV in the corner?

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Okay, and what do you see on the fancy-ass TV?

Speaker 4 (01:43:04):
Oh, I can't make out anything from here.

Speaker 2 (01:43:06):
No, you can't Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:08):
Is it an actual show.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
No, no, it's for security camera footage.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
Oh, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
So they have a camera up in the oh, so they're
dealer's dealers.

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Well, I don't know, I don't know, is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:43:21):
Yeah, it must be, because, think about it, he
loves Tony Montana.
This up in the corner, they aresomehow the hub of this very
weird group of ne'er-do-wells.
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (01:43:35):
Okay.
Well, that's just a thing thatwe never.
Really that makes it much moredangerous, if that's the case.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
Yeah, I mean, think about when, when Reggie, you
know, had his moment with ourguy.
He's in the illegal world, Imean he's whether it's actually
whatever that, whatever theirthing is, they definitely got a
thing because you're buyinggators, you know what I mean?
Like, it's just who has cash tobuy a gator and who's having

(01:44:03):
that conversation.
So yeah, I think you're right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:07):
Yeah, okay.
So if it ain't a cat, my titsyain't putting his hands on it.
She says thanks for thatpicture.
And now Adele gets up and wecut to a little time cut.
Now they're in the kitchendoing girl talk.
And again, really fast, I'mgoing to play this because it

(01:44:27):
doesn't do it justice for us tosay it.
You've got to hear it.
I will cease and desist ifnecessary.
Please subscribe to YouTubePremium and watch Wayne.
Let's see what we make of this.

Speaker 5 (01:44:38):
I'll tell you something else Ever since I
started wearing these rubbergloves to do dishes my nails,
they just don't break so much.
Oh, is that right?
Yeah, and I used to be amanicurist.
Hey, you know how everyonethinks that their toes are the
most disgusting.
Well, they're right.
Oh, wow, that's a great story,maureen.
Maybe we'll make a movie out ofit.
But what was my worst job?

(01:45:01):
Let's see.
The fuck is wrong with thisthing.
There's nothing wrong with thatthing.
I made that.
Yeah, jesus, I did.
I took a pottery class at therec center and I thought it was
going to be like Ghost, but youknow what?
I didn't see a single PatrickSwayze, so I quit.
I didn't need that.

(01:45:21):
That shit's hotter than itlooks.

Speaker 3 (01:45:25):
So before, because they're going to get to some
stuff here that's going to bemuch more to the core.
But even she took a potteryclass.
Like I feel like there's like avibe about like she wants to
class this thing up, this lifeof hers.
That's like a constant vibe I'mgetting like I'm even thinking
about like she obviously did herhair.
She's got a bunch of idiots,you know, chamomile and and crew

(01:45:49):
hanging out outside, but sheobviously like put on a top she
intended to put on, her hair isdone, her chains are just so.
I mean, there's another versionof this where she rolls out
outside in a, in a, in a robeand says you know, you fucking
guy shut the fuck up Right.
And that's totally believabletoo.
It seems like she's wantingthis to be more than it is or

(01:46:10):
better than it is.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
I don't listen.
Here's the thing.
I think it's so easy to sitback in judgment, but I don't
hate Maureen in judgment, but II don't hate maureen and I have
weirdly understand, uh likewhere it's not like I would make
the choices she makes, butsomething about the performance,
something about the writing.
I'm like, okay, I have, I knowthis person, like I've
definitely, I definitely there'sa lot of this person out there,

(01:46:35):
um, and so I I can't stand backin judgment.
Her trying to improve, like Idon't connect her to chamomile,
that is something she would nottypically invite in my mind,
like that's like a fringe resultof, it's a byproduct of the
relationship with Calvin's boyfrom his first whatever, right

(01:46:57):
so, but I don't see that as partof Maureen.
I see that terrible potterybowl as as Maureen and I see her
quitting as part of Maureen.
But Dale picks up on that rightaway.

Speaker 5 (01:47:10):
That shit's hotter than it looks.
What's hot Showing up what?
Oh look, you got a mouth on you.
You know what?
You know who?
You remind me of Me?
Yeah, you remind me of my AuntLinda.
Oh yeah, she liked to makepottery.
No, she liked to make meth.
Also left the family, then sheblew herself up in a shitty
trailer.
I don't got to explain myselfto you.

(01:47:32):
Yeah, you're right, I'm the oneyou got to explain anything to.
Well, you seem like you turnedout just fine.
You don't know anything abouthim.
My life was very complicatedback then.
Jesus, fucking Christ,everybody's life is fucking
complicated.
You know, don't make it rightyou running out on your family.
Oh yeah, where's your family?

Speaker 2 (01:48:11):
Whoops, okay, whoops, okay.
If you didn't guess it, adelestares maureen in the eye and
breaks her potter.
Just slides it right off thetable, while staring at her, I
physically cringed.

Speaker 3 (01:48:19):
Oh, I physically cringed my poor sweet boys.

Speaker 4 (01:48:25):
This is the scariest scene I've ever witnessed, boss.
Oh my goodness, there's beenunkindness.

Speaker 2 (01:48:32):
I cheered.
Can we go back to Ted Lasso now?
I?

Speaker 4 (01:48:36):
actually cheered.

Speaker 5 (01:48:38):
I was like fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:48:39):
Yes, great job, Del.
That is exactly what shedeserves.
You know, castleton, you justsaid a second ago that you can't
hate Maureen.
The character is sowell-developed and so well-liked
.
I understand that I hate her.
I do hate her.

(01:49:00):
And also I think what you justsaid about how chamomile
chamomile isn't her deal.
My older sister, whose namehappens to be Maureen, she and
her daughters somehow quote toeach other a lot the line from
what the fuck is the movie?
I will look it up in a second,but it's the one where the two

(01:49:21):
acting sisters and one's in thewheelchair.
And the movie, um, I will lookit up in a second, but it's, uh,
the, the one where the twoacting sisters and one's in the
wheelchair and the other oneisn't um, and one of the lines
from there.
The woman says if I weren't inthis wheelchair, I swear.
And she says but you areblanche, but you are.
And like that's how.
Oh, I think you guys froze.
Ah shit, did I freeze?
Think you guys froze?
Ah shit, did I freeze, did youguys?

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
freeze.
You froze a little bit, butkeep going.
So we're just sitting herewaiting because we know that for
everyone listening the podcastplatform we use, every once in a
while one of us will freeze andthe other two will just nod, so
that you can see.
I'm like okay, whoever'snodding is probably not frozen.

Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
Okay, we'll just keep it rolling, no but first time,
okay, yes, so, um, the line isif I weren't in this wheelchair,
I swear and it was she'd get upand she'd do something.
And her bitchy sister says butyou are blanche, but you are.
And there's a little aspectwhen you said that her maureen's
deal is in chamomile, she'sfucking hanging out with

(01:50:21):
chamomile.
Her deal is chamomile.
You could say that that's notwhat she wishes her deal was.
But what her deal is is thatshe is living in central Florida
on a drug compound hanging outwith chamomile.

Speaker 3 (01:50:33):
No, there's no getting around it.

Speaker 2 (01:50:35):
No, no, no.
She's not hanging out withchamomile, that's not.
She is putting too much on poormaureen.
She is a.
She is a sweet woman who hasmade some bad choices.
She's not inherently a bitch ora bad person.
We all make mistakes.
There are literally billions ofmaureens on the planet, like

(01:50:55):
sure and they're all bitches.

Speaker 4 (01:50:57):
I mean not every morning, no, they're, they're
not, they're not, we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:51:02):
That's a rash generalization we, we, we, I, I
would say they can besituationally bitchy, yes, and,
and there's a, there's a take onthis particular scene where
it's so hard when you, when youtry to burn a hole in my face
with your eyes through thepodcasting platform, it's very

(01:51:24):
difficult to focus.

Speaker 4 (01:51:27):
Let me take my glasses off.
Maybe that will help.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Yeah, just try to drop.
I'm going to cede the floor toyou, boss, and then you tell me
all the reasons why Maureen isas bad as you.
Actually, you don't have to saythat because we know.
It's obvious why.
But I guess it's whether or notyou have any understanding of

(01:51:54):
it or any sympathy for thesituation, or any, if there's
any leeway, if there's anynuance, if there's any leverage
like sort of where are the grayareas around, where she has
control or where society hasstripped her of that or not
taught her that she can seizecontrol on her own.

(01:52:14):
Help economy would have helpedsomeone like Maureen.
No, no, yes.

Speaker 4 (01:52:19):
that's the whole Maureen is who the help economy
would have helped someone likeMaureen.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
No, no, yes, that's the whole.
Maureen is who the help economyis for.
Maureen is like wants to, wantsto be a.
Potter, she, she were.
As as the show goes on, they'llyou'll see more elements of
Maureen.
Maybe we table this until yousee a little bit more of Maureen
, but in general, that's generalshe needs help.
She cannot see her way out ofthis.
How's she supposed?

Speaker 4 (01:52:43):
to go Tell me what she has done.
That makes you convinced thatshe doesn't know what she's
doing or how to get out of it,and don't just tell me.
Well, her life is somethingthat I think she is unhappy with
.
What has she said?
What has she done?
In what ways has she attemptedto make things right with Wayne
or to reach out to her ex?

(01:53:06):
She made him supper, okay.
So what I'm saying here is thatwhat she did was 11 years ago,
she woke up and walked out onher family.

Speaker 2 (01:53:15):
And that was a mistake that she made.
Maybe it was to save her ownlife.
She says things werecomplicated.

Speaker 4 (01:53:21):
How do you know she wasn't living in fear?
How do you know she wasn't?
So she left her children withthe man that she was afraid of.

Speaker 2 (01:53:26):
Maybe she was Listen.
Sometimes people have to makethose.
Maybe she couldn't get Waynethat day, who knows?

Speaker 4 (01:53:32):
So she left him with a man that she was feared for
her life, left her two childrenwith him and never came back.

Speaker 2 (01:53:43):
Once she got to oh boss, people are, things are
complicated in the world.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
It's not just like I'm not talking about people
being complicated or not.
I understand that people arecomplicated and also if what she
had said you don't even likekids, boss, you don't even like
what she said was that I am in abad situation and I need to
figure out how to get out of it.
That's fine, but she woke upevery fucking day for 11 years
after that and chose to do thesame thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:06):
Or was crippled by fear or shame and didn't know
how to get out.
You think that?

Speaker 4 (01:54:09):
those two things are mutually exclusive.
You can be crippled by fear,and that is the reason that you
do a shitty thing, but you arestill doing a shitty thing.

Speaker 2 (01:54:17):
You can be terrified.
I'm not exonerating her for theaction or the resultant choices
.
What I'm saying is I understandhow people can get backed into
a corner and if you don't haveany skillset to help you amend
those decisions, you can beparalyzing.
It's like a fight or flightresponse.
She's been frozen for 11 years.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
You know, this is a really actually I don't say it
was going to sound sarcastic andit's not sarcastic, I'm serious
.
This is a fascinatingconversation to me and in
particular, because I've done abunch of work on my frankly rage
and one of the things I had towork on in doing that was there

(01:55:04):
are perfectly good reasons why Ilearned that there was a
benefit to being able to I'llput it simply go the fuck off.
I mean, like, looking back atmy life, I'm like like like
coach you know, you mentioned itand we talked about Ferdinand
the bull and all that stuff Likethere were situations in my
life where I needed to accessthe ability to convince everyone

(01:55:27):
within a country mile.
I will kill all of you.
I will kill every single one ofyou.
Just try me, just try me.
That doesn't mean that whenpeople piss me off and I go off
and damage is done, that thedamage didn't happen or that I'm

(01:55:50):
not responsible for the damage,or that some poor person.
I saw a meme.
I may have shared this with you.
I saw a meme where they saidyou have to heal yourself so you
don't bleed on people whodidn't cut you and I thought, oh
my God, that's all of it rightthere.
And so what I would definitelysay is, maureen, you bled on at
least one person who we knowdidn't cut you, a five-year-old

(01:56:11):
who lost his mommy, like, I mean, like let's just get down to
like the most basic of basicthings, and so all those things
can be true.
And I've been asking myselfthroughout this episode did
Wayne's dad beat her?
Is that where this is headed?
Because very violent home.
The brother was wildly violentWayne ain't exactly no, wilton,

(01:56:35):
I mean that makes sense, mrHernandez.

Speaker 2 (01:56:38):
There were guys going in and out of there all the
time.
I I can't be sure that was yourdad.
You remember that, not thatthat guy's a trustworthy.

Speaker 3 (01:56:44):
So that was the landlord but it certainly says
if she didn't walk out on happyhomemaker situation or whatever.
So who knows what all thedetails were.
I'm sure it was complicated,but I am with both Boss and Dell
, even if I would not haveadvised pushing that bowl off

(01:57:05):
the table.
I am with Boss and Dell insaying the fact that it was
complicated for you doesn't meanyou didn't abandon your child.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Now you may feel you had a reason to abandon your
child but your child was stillabandoned and that's on you.

Speaker 3 (01:57:19):
You got to own that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
I, when I saw, when I saw um, it may have been, so I
rewatched Wayne.
And when Dell this is, this istotally true when we were we
were still doing Ted Lasso, um,uh, whatever.
I don't remember what season wewere on and I was trying to
think of our next show and I sawthe line where Del says oh,
give me a break.
Everybody's life is complicated.

(01:57:41):
I thought you know what Boss isgoing to like this show.
I was like that's the thing.
That was the line that made mesay, okay, boss is going to be
down with this.
So listen, I get it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:52):
And so, boss, you said when Del pushed the pottery
, off, you cheered yeah, yeahand also like again, we can
table this discussion untillater.
I am not saying that Maureendidn't have a difficult life or
that she didn't have a goodreason to leave.
I am saying that she didsomething that hurt somebody
that she cared about and whenthat person came back she wanted

(01:58:15):
to brush past it like she'dnever done anything.
That is unacceptable to me yeahI, I can't forget yeah I can
forget for almost anything likethere is very little you can do
that I'd be like you need tofuck off forever.
But again, you need to buildthe road.
I will open the door you needto build the fucking road is
number one.
Number two you.
In my opinion, maureen is stilldeflecting because dell says

(01:58:38):
walking out on your family sucksand she says where's your
family?
She's throwing it back in Del'sface.
Del doesn't have a fuckingfamily.
Del is 16 years old Notresponsible for her dad, not
responsible for her olderbrothers, and Maureen is trying
to diminish what she did bypretending that Del did the same
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:58:57):
Maureen is not taking any responsibility.
Also, I would add to it thatit's an extension of come wash
the dishes with me, because Icannot imagine that a boy who
ran away would ever be describedas running out on his family.
There is a part of ussocietally I'm not saying those

(01:59:17):
three of us on this show there'sa part of us that thinks well,
del mom died.
You may be 13 now, or 15 now,or 16 now, but now you are in
charge of getting dinner right.
Yeah, yeah, there is absolutelythat, so it's interesting to
describe.
Yeah, I hadn't caught thatpiece.
I think that's a very real partof this conversation.

(01:59:38):
I also think Maureen issensitive to Del's barbs and
they are similar, and so sheknows what.
Del sees when she looks at her,because it's what she sees when

(01:59:59):
she looks at herself.

Speaker 4 (02:00:00):
And she does not want to deal with that.
Yep, so part of the reason thatshe is reacting so poorly to
dell is that dell is not dealingwith any of her bullshit and
she's that morning has been ableto bullshit through everything
and she's not doing she's sayingthe shit that that maureen's
inner voice has has been sayingand that she's learned to ignore
and move past.

Speaker 3 (02:00:17):
and and I think if she was saying some shit, that
she's learned to ignore and movepast.
And I think if she was sayingsome shit that she thought, like
you're 16, you don't know whatthe fuck you're talking about,
really Not.
I'm going to use that to likebe a shield and dismiss you that
the whole vibe would bedifferent.
She's pissed when she says yougot a mouth on you.

Speaker 4 (02:00:36):
She's pissed.

Speaker 3 (02:00:37):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:00:38):
And she's pretending not to be, but she's fucking
pissed, she's pissed.

Speaker 4 (02:00:41):
And I know Castleton's head is going to
explode because he hates for theWayne episodes to go three
episodes, but sorry, I need tomention, because we talked about
pandemic at the beginning ofthis episode there was not a
study, but a result after theschools went back full time,
that the largest gap inachievement was in girls of

(02:01:07):
color, specifically black andbrown girls, that they were the
ones that, while they were athome and not allowed in schools,
that they fell behind the most.
And then we spent and not we,but like whoever did this study
spent a shit ton of money to tryto figure out what it was.
And the answer is that, becausewe are racist, people who have

(02:01:28):
jobs that require them to bethere in person were more often
black and brown people, andbecause we are sexist as a
society, it then fell to theeldest girl to take over the
housework and the child rearingwhile the parents were still at
their jobs.
So, like it's, it's just thatwe gave all this shit to black

(02:01:50):
and brown girls and we were like, hey, why isn't your schoolwork
is good?
Well, cause I was fuckingraising some kids while the
country burned down.

Speaker 2 (02:01:57):
I want to make it.
I was raising some kids whilethe country burned down.
I want to make it.
My first instinct was to make ajoke and say like well then,
they're ahead, they'll makegreat homemakers someday.
But it makes me so fucking.
I know that was my instinct butit makes me so fucking mad, like
what you just said makes mewant to breathe fire like a

(02:02:18):
dragon that these girls outthere are forced into this, that
their parents have no choice,they're backed into a fucking
corner, they have to work.
That they look at and say, canyou help, help out?
And and there's inherent sexism, and they don't put it on boys
are probably gaming all day, oh,my phone's going off.
Boys are probably gaming all day, and you know what I mean.

(02:02:40):
And the girls are left to to dothese things and you go it.
Just it makes me.
Oh, my god, anyway, anyway, I,I, oh it is so.
It's so hard to take and youwant to, you want to, just it's
systemic, that's the whole.
Right and I think None of usare confused about why right you

(02:03:04):
go?
Yeah, obviously.

Speaker 3 (02:03:05):
Yeah, you said that and I was like yep, yep.

Speaker 4 (02:03:06):
Oh, that makes sense.
Geez, what a shock,unfortunately.

Speaker 2 (02:03:08):
Oh, that makes sense, fucking black and brown women
get the short end of the stick.
I never saw that coming.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
Can't imagine, that's a thing.

Speaker 2 (02:03:19):
It makes you physically sick.

Speaker 4 (02:03:20):
It's just awful To what you just said about you
know, like the parents needingto go back to work and their
parents having their backsagainst the wall.
Yes, absolutely.
And I wouldn't say like you'rea terrible parent because you
asked your eldest daughter tohelp out.
But if they said, well, like,of course you have to do it, the
boys can't.
The boys need to like playvideo games, the boys can't.

(02:03:40):
If the parents acknowledge like, yeah, no, this is fucked up.
I am asking too much of you.
There is too much happeninghere, I would feel fine with
that.
If they said, what are youbitching about?
I'd be like, oh well, you're afucking asshole and you better
fix that shit.
I think that this is anotherdifference between how you and I
are viewing maureen, that Ithink I understand why you
fucked up.
I'm not saying that you're notallowed to ever fuck up, but you

(02:04:02):
fucked up and you need to ownthat.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
Okay, and so you're not seeing her own it?
Are you seeing her doadditional damage by not owning
it?
Yes, so you're seeing this,you're seeing this version up
until this point in the episode,you're seeing a continuation of
the damage inducing behavior,rather than a uh, her, her, um
owning her role or or um somehowmaking amends, or.

Speaker 1 (02:04:28):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (02:04:29):
There's no age.

Speaker 4 (02:04:32):
The word is thrown around a lot, but she's still
actively gaslighting Wayne bypretending that what she did
wasn't harmful.
That, oh my God, I haven't seenyou in 11 years.
Wild, come on in, I'll make youdinner.
That's that.
That is intentionally deceptive.
That is gaslighting in order tomake him not feel his feelings.
It is still actively abusive onher part.

Speaker 3 (02:04:53):
She is continuing the damage, that's yeah I mean, I
it's not where it wentimmediately, but you walk me
through it and I go, yep, yep,checked out.

Speaker 2 (02:05:04):
Jesus Christ, that's just because you're a fucking
boob.
I mean.

Speaker 4 (02:05:11):
all she had to do was use logic and make an argument
and all of a sudden you're likeoh, I guess you're right with
your.

Speaker 2 (02:05:19):
Oh my god all his high perfect sat scores and ivy
league universities.
Just a, there's a babe in thewoods.
Um, uh, no, listen you, you.
So you guys uh agreeing doesnot surprise me.
I'm gonna reserve judgment.
This it's funny because I want,I, I want to reference the Roy

(02:05:40):
Kent speech about I don't everknow what's going on with people
and therefore I choose to givethem love, and I do firmly
believe we don't know at thispoint, and you guys have not to
anyone listening.
Just to be clear, I havewatched the entire series.
Boss and Coach have not.
That may be informing some ofmy uh views, but it may not be.

(02:06:02):
But at this point, um, Icertainly understand how you're
getting to that conclusion I'mgoing to choose to say I don't
have all the all the information.
I'm going to give her love.

Speaker 3 (02:06:13):
Well, well, I think it also then speaks to what does
it mean to give Maureen love,like even as a viewer right now?
Right, I don't want the worstfor Maureen.
I'll speak for myself.
I don't want the worst forMaureen, but I agree that it is
bullshit to come face to facewith a child you abandoned 11

(02:06:36):
years ago and cut to.
Isn't this nice?

Speaker 2 (02:06:41):
We're all having supper and she should know that,
how she should know that fromall the parenting lessons she
took.
She should know that becauseshe had a great role model as
parents who gave her the, theplaybook of what you do when you
finally see your child after adecade.
I'm saying like this is herversion of coping and it may not
be.
I don't see her actively tryingto continue to hurt.

Speaker 3 (02:07:05):
No, no, no, I don't see that and I didn't hear Boss
say that she is.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
She says by actively gaslighting she's continuing the
abuse.
That's what she said.

Speaker 3 (02:07:13):
I don't think she sees it as I'm going to damage
this young man.
Thank God he showed up.
I'm not done damaging him.
I think she is actively makingchoices that are doing damage.

Speaker 2 (02:07:28):
Or not making choices that are doing damage.
Like I'm saying, I think she'sdefaulting to a mode of behavior
that has given her that's asurvivor mode, that has worked
for her that has given her.
That's a survivor mode that hasworked for her.
And so, in not making thechoice that you want her to make
, or that I want her to make, orthat any normal sane person
would want her to make, you'resaying that she's continuing the

(02:07:48):
damage.
I'm saying I think she's tryingto work her way through it and
figure out.
She didn't wake up this morningthinking she's going to see her
child.
This is like a lot for oneperson to absorb and at least
give her the benefit of thedoubt and say, okay, let's give
her a little time and we canrevisit.
That's, that's all I'm saying.
And and I, and maybe it'll getworse.
I'm not, I'm not.
I know what happens, but, um,that doesn't mean I know how

(02:08:13):
you're going to view it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:21):
That's a whole different, different thing.
Um, yeah, I have feel likebosses.
No, I was I when you said what?
Where would she have learnedthat?
In all the parenting books thatshe read?
Or in all the lessons that shelearned?
I wanted to shout how did youfind the mess hall?
Like, where is it in that book?

Speaker 2 (02:08:41):
Because we can't pretend.
Stop your goddamn memes, coach.
Stop it.

Speaker 4 (02:08:45):
We can't pretend that a society that raised the three
of us, that said don't abandonyour children and if you do,
take ownership for that, isn'talso raising Maureen Like she is
part of the same no, no, no,maybe you.

Speaker 3 (02:09:03):
No, she knows-.
Maybe you, there's a reason shegets Del's animosity.

Speaker 4 (02:09:09):
Yeah, she understands what Del is saying.

Speaker 3 (02:09:11):
How bizarre that this young lady like she knows what
the fucking problem is Listen,everybody up here is angry.

Speaker 2 (02:09:18):
Everyone's pissed off like Del.
It's like a function of the NewEngland sort of environment.
Even if they're not pissed off,they're internally pissed off
If they're not overtly.
I told you your disdain andyour contempt.
And the way that we measureit's like a yardstick of

(02:09:38):
accomplishment is how muchyou've suffered.
You know, hot enough for you,cold enough for you.
Even the conversational piecesare all about suffering and
misery.
And, jesus Christ, when thefuck is this sun going to cool
down?
It goes from fucking 50 degreesto 90 degrees.
You know, seasons are allfucked right.
It's how everyone up herecommunicates.

(02:10:02):
So to me, to see someone developa different skill set, uh, like
she, she has decided, she'slike sort of figured out this
way to gloss over everything, tosort of like like, even when
Dell's overtly rude, likeunacceptably rude, uh, for some,
a guest in your home to talk toyou, this should be pitched out

(02:10:25):
on the street immediately.
No, no one should talk tosomeone like that in their own
home.
I'm not saying that she has toinvite her in, but Dell is being
rude, dell's being rude.
I totally get why Dell's being.
I'm not saying that she doesn'thave damn good reason and I'm
not saying I don't know all thereasons that she's defending
Wayne and she's confused herselfand she's a kid.
I get everything, but Maureenis not lashing out at Del.
She's like oh, you got a mouthon you and you guys are thinking

(02:10:49):
that she's pissed, like she'ssecretly pissed on the inside.

Speaker 3 (02:10:53):
Oh, I think she's pissed when she says you got a
mouth on you.
To me that is like all right,little girl, mind your.

Speaker 4 (02:11:01):
That is, yeah, that sounds like the Boston version
of Bless your Heart, and Blessyour Heart is wildly aggressive
when it's being actually used.

Speaker 2 (02:11:12):
Okay, so fine, we can agree to this.
I don't see her being angryno-transcript.

Speaker 4 (02:11:45):
it was complicated for me back then, like Maureen,
doesn't?
You talked about Maureenignoring the aggression, but
Bishop's point was, when Del waspissed, maureen knew what she
was pissed about.
She knew that it was that sheleft Wayne.

Speaker 2 (02:12:00):
Of course she knows Again, this just happened.
What two hours ago, how muchtime has passed in showtime.
She got there in the afternoon.
They shut the party down.
Then she gave everybody thefood and they've had supper.
That's all that's happened.
Now they're doing the dishes.
She's supposed to totally turn.
She's.
Oh, my god, I'm gonna.

(02:12:20):
I I've been preparing for thismoment my whole life and now I'm
just saying like let's give hera beat to absorb and reflect.
And even while dell is in herface, about you know, you've
been terrible to your son, sheshe's.
I don't have to explain myselfto you, she doesn't.
First of all, she has everyright to not.
And second of all, then't haveto explain myself to you, she
doesn't.
First of all, she has everyright to not.
And second of all, then shetries to.

(02:12:41):
She tries to say listen, it wascomplicated back then.
Without insulting the deadwhich we get, I'm guessing she
had an issue with the husband orsomething like that.
Maybe there was other things.
We don't know what's going on,but again, we don't know.
So I give her love.
And what does that mean incoach's definition?

(02:13:08):
I just I'm going to give her alittle space and say if someone
has made a life-altering uhcapital crime level mistake
towards their child and thechild shows up.

Speaker 3 (02:13:11):
I will give her more than two hours to absorb it and
and figure out a new methodologyit's it there's there something
and I don't think we'll find itnow and maybe as we go on we'll
get clearer on this, butthere's something about even how
you repeat Maureen's lines,coach, that feels I'm not saying

(02:13:35):
it is inaccurate.
I am saying it feels inaccurateto me, like the way you said
life.
You know, life was complicatedfor me back then is not how I
heard maureen.
I heard maureen saying lookhere, you little shit you don't
know.
You don't know shit about shitand I'm not gonna fucking answer

(02:13:57):
to you.
All right, like I, I feel likethere's a little more of a back
the fuck up in the, in theunspoken there.
Then, oh, dear child, sometimeslife is complicated, but I but
I think more important than whatshe actually says or if she
actually means that is why is,why are we hearing different

(02:14:20):
things?

Speaker 2 (02:14:22):
Coach, hold on, let's refresh our memory, all right?

Speaker 5 (02:14:25):
I'm wrong with that thing.
I made that.
Yeah, jesus, I did.
I took a pottery class at therec center and I thought it was
going to be like Ghost, but youknow what?
I didn't see a single PatrickSwayze, so I quit.
I didn't need that.
That shit's hotter than itlooks.
Well, todd showing up what?

(02:14:46):
Oh, look at you, you got amouth on you.
You know what.
You know who?
You remind me of Me.
Oh yeah, you remind me of myAunt, linda.
Oh yeah, she liked to makepottery.
No, she liked to make meth.
Also left the family.
Then she blew herself up in ashitty trailer.
I don't got to explain myselfto you.
Yeah, you're right, I ain't theone you got to explain anything

(02:15:07):
to.
Well, he seemed like he turnedout just fine.
You don't know anything abouthim.
My life was very complicatedback then.
Jesus, fucking Christ,everybody's life is fucking
complicated.
You know, don't make it rightyou running out on your family.
Oh yeah, where's your family?

Speaker 3 (02:15:35):
Whoops.

Speaker 4 (02:15:39):
I will say I read Maureen's line of where's your
family as equally aggressive toDel pushing the pottery off the
counter.
Those things to me were exactlyeven oh my God, 100%.

Speaker 3 (02:15:53):
Interesting.

Speaker 2 (02:15:54):
Not at all.
I didn't see them, as even shenever loses her cool.
She never loses her cool, shehurls it at her man Wherever
Del's family is.

Speaker 3 (02:16:02):
She hurls that line at her.
That is not like oh, where youfrom.
She means for that to fuckinggo like don't you judge me, you
little.

Speaker 2 (02:16:15):
She's calling out her hypocrisy, sure, but that's not
her perceived hypocrisy fromMaureen's standpoint.
But what I'm saying is, evenwhen she's calling out her
hypocrisy, sure, but that's nother perceived hypocrisy from
Maureen's standpoint.
But what I'm saying is, like,even when she's like oh you know
, oh, you remind me of my aunt.
Oh, does she do pottery too?
She wasn't like.

Speaker 4 (02:16:29):
That is a deflection.
That is not.

Speaker 2 (02:16:31):
meantime, I'm not saying she's not deflecting.
I did say this is her copingmechanism, this is a learned
behavior.
This coping mechanism, this isa learned behavior.
This is how she gets through.
But I'm not seeing like the,the aggression that you're
seeing, or like that she's fullof rage and, oh, she's pissed
and she hates dell.

Speaker 3 (02:16:44):
I'm not getting any of that I think she's just like
all right I don't know she'spissed and she hates dell, but I
think she is.
She's wanting to do, she'swanting to let herself off the
hook in this conversation,whether in some later situation
she was facing.

Speaker 5 (02:16:59):
Absolutely that.

Speaker 2 (02:16:59):
I agree with it was complicated oh he looked like he
turned out fine, he just showedup.
No, no, wait, wait, wait, hejust showed up.

Speaker 3 (02:17:06):
Of course she is.
She's not ready to have thisconversation, Okay.
But the fact that she's notready to have it doesn't mean
that that's not a problem.
That's a problem.

Speaker 4 (02:17:15):
Also she doesn't owe to have this conversation to Del
, it's not.
But she's not having it withanybody Because it's two hours
ago.
It was 11 years and two hoursago she had 11 years to prepare
herself for the fact that herson might show up.
And he might show up because hehas her fucking child.

Speaker 2 (02:17:36):
You sent postcards.
How dare you raise your voiceto me after I've raised my voice
to you, the only way I canassert my dominance is to shout
down the opposition.

Speaker 4 (02:17:51):
I have to be honest with you.
In my family that was like afive possibly.

Speaker 2 (02:17:56):
Maybe on an audible scale yeah no.
No, I get it.
But but listen, this is great,I listen.
I love that we're not going tosolve it today, right?
I love the passion you guyshave for this.
I, I don't.
I don't say you're wrong, we'regoing to find out.
I don't even know if we'refinding out if you're right or
not.
I don't know if that's like a,it's not binary like that, but
we'll.
I think the plot will thicken alittle bit and then we'll be

(02:18:17):
able to make more of it.
And coach rightly points outthat I like to do Wayne episodes
in two and and we like to ruinyour dreams.

Speaker 5 (02:18:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:18:37):
Yeah Well, listen, at the very least we can.
We can take a lot of comfort inthe fact that this is provoking
such good conversation andthere's a lot here.
There's a lot of depth.
The writing is so thick.
It is thick in a great way.
It is layered and it's nuancedand it's smart and it's funny
and it's painful and, uh,there's pathos and there's

(02:18:58):
regret and there's, it's justthere's pain and and joy and and
all very little joy, butthere's, there's all of the
different elements that make youunderstand why so many talented
actors gravitated to thisscript and um, and why I I
consider it a just a masterpieceand one of my favorite shows.

(02:19:19):
Um, so, uh, I thank everybodyfor for for joining us today.
We're going to, we're going to,we're going to end it there
because, um, uh, the visual ofwhat I'll, I'll tell you, cause
I love it, the visual that we webreak the the bowl, and then
the visual that we break thebowl, and then we have a super

(02:19:40):
close-up of a black screen, andthen you realize that you're
real tight on a garage dooropening and, as it opens, you
are a subjective camera fromWayne's perspective.
And what's the first thing wesee here, coach, when this door
opens.
Do you remember?

Speaker 3 (02:19:57):
I didn't, but now, yes, it's the first thing we see
here, coach, when this dooropens.
Do you remember?
I didn't, but now, yes, it'sthe car and it's Reggie standing
with the car behind him givingthe double bird to Wayne.
Very, very posed, very, so, so.
Actually, this moment helped mea ton because I was like does

(02:20:20):
wouldn't they realize he isthere for that fucking car, like
or?
So, this made me go.
Oh, they do realize.
So it got interesting to me now, Because I was like you could
have just taken the car andtaken off.
But that's not going to happenanymore, Because the element of
surprise is very much no longeron your side.

Speaker 5 (02:20:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:20:44):
Yeah, yes, as I say, the plot will thicken and then
thicken again and thicken again.
There's a lot coming up as wefinish up.
Wayne, this is, this is Wayne.
Episode eight must have burnedlike hell.
Next time will be part 3.
I hope we can make it.
We're only halfway through thisone, but I swear to God.

(02:21:06):
I swear to God, if this thinggoes 4, I will.
Long enough for you, I will.
Yeah, I'm trying to think whatI'll do.
I will Probably.
Just I'm trying to think whatI'll do.
I will probably just sigh andgo for it, but not a violent man

(02:21:26):
, not a violent man.
But yes, we will do our best tocrank through this.
Thank you everyone who hasjoined us for this.
I really hope you know what Ilove this show.
I know a lot of you are.
Just for those of you whodidn't watch it straight through
right away, there were at least15 or 20 of you that I got

(02:21:47):
emails from who were just likeas soon as I said Wayne, they
went and watched the whole thingtwo years ago and that was it.
But I hope that hearing some ofthe audio will make you
consider watching it.
It is beautifully shot.
It is really something thatneeds to be experienced, and I
think there was a great speechby Cora Jefferson at the Oscars

(02:22:09):
who was like instead of making10, $200 million films a year,
let's make 20, no, what did hesay?
10, $200 million?
Yeah's, let's make.
Uh, you know 20.
No, what did he say?
200, 10, 200 million yeah,let's make.
Um, oh, my god, how am I notdoing the math?
10 20 10, 20 million dollarfilms or five or 25 million

(02:22:31):
dollar films, and it has that.
You know, everybody in the filmindustry will lament how the
middle area you know low-endfilmmaking and then middle-end
filmmaking just vanished.
It used to be a $30 millionadult film, it was a thing and
just doesn't exist anymore.
Wayne feels to me like thattype of thing, like borderline

(02:22:55):
art film, stealing shots, doneon a shoestring budget.
They just made magic happen.
We're never going to get moreWayne.
This is it.
It's it's one season and Ithink it needs to be celebrated,
so I hope truly that peoplewill at some point experience it
for themselves and watch thewhole thing.

(02:23:16):
Boss, where do people find youIf they want to find?

Speaker 4 (02:23:19):
Raging on most street corners.
Also biting my tongue when yousaid a $30 million adult film.
I think you meant for grownupsbut the fucking pizza delivery
guy must have been gorgeous inthat movie.

Speaker 2 (02:23:34):
Yeah, no, right, you're right, that is the wrong
terminology.
I know it's so funny, cause.
Yeah, no, no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:23:40):
Film for adults.

Speaker 2 (02:23:41):
Yeah, that's what I meant, Like a grown-up movie for
humans, like for real.
Yeah, you know where it's notlike a you know Like something
Tom Clancy probably wrote.

Speaker 4 (02:23:50):
Well, no, no One of those thrillers.

Speaker 2 (02:23:51):
Even no, no, even less than that.
Like I'm talking about, likeyour um the prestige or um
what's that?

Speaker 4 (02:23:58):
The prestige, the Chris Nolan movie.

Speaker 2 (02:24:01):
Yeah, that wasn't that expensive, Wasn't it?
Uh, no, I'm thinking the otherone.
Sorry, I get the two confused.
Uh, the prestige and the other.
What was the other one that was?
Um, there were two that cameout.
Two magic movies came, oh, theone with Edward Norton.

Speaker 4 (02:24:15):
I didn't watch that one Excellent.

Speaker 2 (02:24:17):
Yeah, the one with Edward Norton.
Can you look it up?
What is it?
I?

Speaker 4 (02:24:20):
will Also.
While I'm doing that, you canfind me mostly on threads.
It's emilychambers.31, but alsoin the show notes you can track
me down on Twitter and thenother places.

Speaker 2 (02:24:38):
Love it Coach.
What about you, Coach?
You're on.
You're on mute coach.
You're still on mute coach.

Speaker 4 (02:24:45):
All right, I'll just do him yeah, well, okay, so you
already said the adult film andnow you're saying you're gonna
do it yeah, some something wasrefreshing as that happened, so
I couldn't click anything, butyou did.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
Did say you were going to do me.
There's no getting around that.

Speaker 2 (02:25:03):
All my deepest desires, just spilling coffee
all over myself, telling all mytruths.
Just a rough episode.

Speaker 3 (02:25:13):
So we are revamping, we Align our community,
wealignalignpcom.
But come through, check it out.
We're going to be doing somegood things helping people live
better lives.

Speaker 2 (02:25:28):
It's the illusionist, yeah, the illusionist.
I couldn't think of it so good.
Who would think there's twogreat magic movies in the same
year?
Okay, thank you everybody.
Thank you for listening.
We really appreciate yousticking with us.
Would think there's two, twogreat, uh, magic movies in the
same year.
Um, okay, thank you everybody.
Thank you for listening.
Uh, we really appreciate yousticking with us for all of this
.
Uh, I know a lot of you showedup for ted lasso and the fact
that you've stuck around to umto join us, for wayne, which

(02:25:49):
which feels tonally verydifferent but has a lot of the
same through lines and has atremendous amount of soul, and
um has a lot of heart.
We really appreciate it.
So we're winding down on Wayne.
There's two episodes left, thenine and 10.
That's it, and so very close.

(02:26:10):
And, boy, if we finish thatfirst, Coach and I, I'll go back
and forth about whether wefinish this first, but, coach,
if we finish that first, thatwould be first show we ever
finished before we.
If we do it before we finish,uh, oh, coaches, thumbs down.
I'm getting the thumbs downfrom coach.
Oh, man, emperor orlando saysno, says kill him.

(02:26:33):
You know that in the in thecoliseum.
Thumbs up, thumbs down.
Of course you do.
Yeah, classical educationReally.

Speaker 3 (02:26:42):
Now I feel bad about letting you know that.
I'm pretty sure that I know itfor sure from Gladiator.
But Go on.

Speaker 2 (02:26:49):
Oh yes, it was my education no.

Speaker 3 (02:26:51):
Yes, classical.

Speaker 2 (02:26:52):
Yeah, I read it in the original Greek.
Okay, all right, thank youeverybody.
We'll be back next time withpart 3 of Wayne.
Episode 8 must have burned likehell.
Until then, we are.

Speaker 4 (02:27:05):
Richmond till we die I'm so disappointed I couldn't
think of anything.
I was gonna go with a mute jokeand I couldn't get there.
It's fine next time.

Speaker 2 (02:27:17):
Okay, alright, good thanks everybody.
Double middle fingers.
I'm going to take a still shotof this and put it on the
community site, and we'll it'sso.
Just look at that shot, it'sbeautiful.

Speaker 4 (02:27:31):
I can't believe this is going to go.
Four episodes, just one TV show.
I can't believe we figured outenough to talk about Three
minutes after the sign-off.

Speaker 2 (02:27:42):
Okay, bye, bye, everybody, bye-bye, I'm going to
go wash the coffee off thisshirt.
Thanks,

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