Wayne | S1 Ep9 Part4 "Thought We Was Friends" - The Tedcast - A Deep Dive Podcast About The Bear

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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Welcome to our Ted Lasso talk, the Tedcast.
Welcome all Greyhound fans,welcome all you sinners from the
dog track and all the AFCRichmond fans around the world.
It's the Lasso way around theseparts with Coach, coach and
Boss, without further ado, coachCastleton.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Okay, welcome back, beautiful people.
Thanks for joining us as wecomplete wayne, episode nine.
Thought we was friends.
This is part four.
It will be the final partbefore we go on to the series
finale.
Now wayne has 10 episodes totalum and uh.

(01:01):
As far as I know, everyone hasalready aged out of every
possible role.
Del is now 65 in real life orthereabouts.
She's like no, but she's likegrown up.
She's not 15 anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
She couldn't play 15 anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
No, she couldn't play 15.
So unless you said 10 yearslater, you know we're not
getting any more.
Wayne, I am your host.
Coach castleton with me?
Is it usually with me?
Is, is coach bishop?
He is, uh, on assignment.
Um, I will, I will mention that, uh, coach bishop, coach bishop

(01:37):
did a breakdown for us aboutthe uh, the rap battle and, and
since his breakdown I'm going tojust mostly attribute it to him
the song Not Like Us has becomethe fastest song in hip hop
history to reach 100 millionstreams on Spotify.
Do you know that, boss?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
I didn't know that exact figure.
I did hear on Wait, wait, don'tTell Me the podcast where I get
all of my pop culture andsports knowledge that Kendrick
Lamar's downloads increased 50%after the rap battle and Drake's
dropped by 5%, dropped by 5% 5%.

(02:20):
Yeah Huh, Kendrick Lamarincreased 50.
Drake drops 5%.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
I thought he might drop more than five.
That's interesting you wouldhope.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
But anyway, I don't, I'm going, I'm going to allow
coach Bishop, coach Bishop, tobe the expert on that.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, yeah, you never know you.
You you always think, yeah, youknow people will distance
themselves from, from I.
Actually, you know what I don'tknow enough about drake.
You know whether I just I justdon't probably care enough.
Um, yeah, but um, yeah, we, uh,we ran it by our the king of
the buttercups, jeff, and he waslike he wanted me to tell you,

(02:57):
boss, he heard you cackle whenyou found out that drake was
from tor.
Yes.
And he is in the vicinity ofToronto.
Our friend Jeff the KOB is, andhe was not at all disciplined.
He like laughed along with it.
Good Good, so he was.
He wanted me to let you know.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
And, to be honest, this is not about Toronto.
I have no ill will towardsToronto.
It is more so yeah, it's thatthere's, especially it being my
age, like when you think of youknow, like I don't want to say
hardcore, but like the seriousrappers, they don't come from
Toronto.
I would have laughed ass hardif you said that they came from

(03:36):
Rhode Island.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
Like that would be the same vibe.
Right, it's Compton versus DesMoines.
Yes, I mean okay.

Speaker 4 (03:42):
Like I believe that there could be a rapper from
Grand Rapids.
I don't think there is.
I'm pretty sure Michigan isonly getting Eminem and that's
it.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
But I'd still have to laugh about it.
I was certain that you weregoing to make a bad word joke,
like Grand Rappers.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
No, I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 3 (04:02):
Oh, thank God.

Speaker 4 (04:03):
I mean I I like a pun , but I'm not cheap well
actually as soon as I said it umthe uh.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
The other other person you're hearing is, uh,
our boss, emily chambers yeah,um, go ahead, emily.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
So here's the thing we've been doing this podcast
for four years now, and I've hadto talk to you soft, soft
gentlemen, on a weekly basementbasis for four years.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Uh in a weekly basement.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, that's how it feels, yeah um, so there's this
uh former colleague of mine.
We were friendly ish.
We like, especially duringpandemic, we would text a lot.
We weren't hanging out inperson, obviously.
And then after a little while Iwas like this is not.
I feel bad, because she wasinterested in a friendship that

(05:00):
I was not interested in.
That's why the point comes downto it After I left my last job,
when I felt like there was agood point to do what Garfunkel
and Oates refer to as thefadeaway, I tried to do that.
I was like maybe we shouldn't befriends anymore, maybe we'll
just let this end.
She didn't respond super wellto that.

(05:21):
She just recently, like withinthe past couple of weeks,
reached out and wanted to liketext more and do things and I
kind of sort of wanted to shrugthat off.
And then finally I bit thebullet and I was an adult and I
was like listen, I can't reallybe a good friend to you right
now.
I'm not in a position to dothat.
I think you're great, but Ithis is, I can't really.

(05:43):
I can't really get into thisLike I've got my five friends,
I'm a hermit, I like to stayhome, I can't.
I don't have any emotion foryou, and she didn't respond
super well and one of the thingsshe did was called me
self-centered.
Now, what I said back to her wasnothing.

(06:04):
I didn't respond.
I managed to not.
Instead of making her cry whichI could I know for a fucking
fact I could make her and herphone cry if I felt like it and
instead what I did was deleteall the texts and block her
number, and I did need to checkin with other people.

(06:27):
I was like, hey, so this bitchcalled me self centered?
Can you fucking believe it?
But I didn't say a single meanthing to her, not one.
It's either the mushrooms oryou, sons of bitches.
Making me as if I am a softperson is what you sons of
bitches are doing to me like Iwere weak.
It didn't make any sense to.
If I am a soft person is whatyou, sons of bitches, are doing
to me Like I were weak.
It didn't make any sense to me.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
I am, I feel so happy about this.
How can you feel happy aboutthat?
I?

Speaker 4 (06:54):
just told you.
It was as if I were a softperson.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah, no, no, I know, I know, I know that's what you
say, but you showed some, youknow, showed some you know
restraint.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
This is a nightmare.
What am I supposed to do withthe rest of my life if I'm not?

Speaker 3 (07:16):
If you're not like actually seeking, actively
seeking out conflict.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Well, not actively conflict, but like.
But you know she wasn't right.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
What's the?
To punish, to punish, to punish.

Speaker 4 (07:29):
The point is to punish.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Here's the thing.
This is just like the versionof it, where I'm like I don't
want there to be an us.
So you're actively have decided, You're like I already don't
want there to be an us.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, youknow what I mean.
I already already don't wantthere to be an us.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you knowwhat I mean.

(07:51):
I already did.
You already like made that,made that call, right it's.
And it's a weird thing actually.
Maybe we're gonna, maybe we'llhave to talk about this.
Uh, offline a little bit.
I I I had I had a friend that Ihad let go kind of show back up
and you know it was kind of ina way it was.
You know it was like reallywonderful in a way.
It was.
You know it was like reallywonderful in a way.
And you know, like, like whatyou said, like about this friend
, you didn't say anythingnegative about her.

(08:13):
I could have.
This is the thing I could have.
How did I not?
It was a friend, I I just, youknow we had kids and lost touch
and but I had, I was, I waspretty psyched about it.
Um, he is a wonderful guy, buthe, uh, he did.
He would do the version of umwhat my kids called trauma

(08:35):
dumping.
So every, every interactionwith him was like oh, he doesn't
have a therapist, he has me.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
And I'm like no, no, I don't, I'm not a therapist.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
he has me and I'm like no no, I don't.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
I'm not a therapist though.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
I'm not interested, I can't focus on all of your
foibles, and he has a knack forgetting himself into some or
stepping into it a little bit.
But I have great memories withhim.
He's, like you know, almostlike family.
I've known him for so long.
Orlando's going to be so sadwhen he listens to this.

Speaker 4 (09:10):
When he hears all the things you're saying about him,
all the things I'm saying aboutCoach oh man Never.
If I could suture myself toCoach.
Absolutely not him.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
It was socially acceptable to be Velcroed to
another person.
I'd be around Coach all thetime, but yeah, you just want to
be kind about the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Like.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I said he showed back up.
It was so nice to see him.
But then I remembered oh, whyyou?
Know, why, he's like oh, I'llbe around next week.
I'm like eh, Well, we'll see.

Speaker 4 (09:42):
We'll see, how that goes.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
But I do have, you know, affection for him and I do
.
It's just that whatever placeswe're in, we're not in the in
the same place you don't have abandwidth, what, what you, what
you described um right, it ispartially.
Well, it is and it isn't.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I'm choosing to put my bandwidth into places that
make me feel better which isself-centered which is what you
are.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Well see, this was the problem is that she said
that I was like I don't thinkthis is actually self-centered.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
It's not.
No, no, no.
It's just it's boundaried andbeing mindful about like your
time and you know.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
And also not wanting to do something Like let's just
get real.
What I wanted to do was not beher therapist.
That's what I was going.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Oh, is she one of those two she also does that
okay.
Yeah, she does that well.
So so, uh, my daughter, uh, hasa friend that was historically a
very close friend of hers, 10years old, and she's been having
a lot of friction with thisyoung lady lately because, yeah,
my daughter's grown in onedirection and the other girl's
grown in another.
And I attributed to the factthat I told a story a while ago

(10:51):
where I had a guy over.
It was a play date and thefather brought the little girl
over and nicest people alwayslike them, always like the
little girl.
And we get to talking and heand he uh, I don't know how it
comes up he tells me how he's alibertarian.
Oh, okay, like whatever, butlibertarian can be code for, for

(11:12):
, for I'm a Trump voter.
And I didn't, I didn't realizeit and I was like, wait, what?
Like I could not believe, Ijust couldn't believe it,
couldn't believe it, and and and.
So I was just like, okay, likeall right, well, all right,
different strokes, but like whooand um, and I was like, well,
what, if you know, I, I, youknow, just trying to make what

(11:33):
are?
You know, how would you feel?
You know, would you still votefor him in the next election?
He's like I'd be more likely tovote for him, like, oh okay,
like, all right, so we can't,there's nothing here for us, and

(11:54):
I was.
So I was so sad about it.
I really liked the guy, um andum, I said, all right, well,
okay, I didn't, I didn't dismiss, I've only, you know, continued
to be, to be polite and niceand whatever.
But I'm mindful that hisoutlook is different than my
outlook and I think it'saffected the way the girls are
developing, so that you know, mydaughter's looking to branch
out a little bit and her thingis that when she tries to be

(12:18):
boundaried around this otherlittle girl, who again is 10
years old, she's lovely.
She, who again is a, it's 10years old, she's lovely, she's
seriously a nice little girl.
Um, the girl lashes out at herat my daughter.
So she'll say, hey, listen, no,no, no, no, yeah.
She'll say I want my daughterto say, hey, I'm gonna.
I'm actually I told you know,one of my other friends that I'm
gonna go on the swings with herat recess today.
So if you don't mind, I'm gonnado that.

(12:38):
And the little girl would likelat, you know, be like a.
It's like what you like,projection, you know, and like
they post about whatever crimeand you're like, oh, ok, so
you're doing that.
Like you know, they accuse.

Speaker 4 (12:51):
Democrats.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's just like an obvious, like I bet Biden gives
you know information to theRussians in the Oval Office,
uh-huh.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Yeah, no, I wonder who did that?
I really Well, you know,everybody embezzles.
I'm sure Biden's embezzled.
Everybody embezzles.

Speaker 3 (13:08):
So it's one of those things and that's what it
reminded me when you said it.
It's like a developmental stagewhere you can't hear the truth,
where you said to your frienddon't have it right now, you are
wonderful, you know, there'snothing wrong, I just it's just

(13:30):
like I can't be the friend youwant me to be right now.
That is very respectful, butshe couldn't hear it, so she let
.
Now she, she's gotta, she'sgotta project something back at
you, she's gotta reflectsomething that she's feeling and
, you know, make it a conflictand make it, and it's not, it
doesn't have to be that way, youknow well, apparently not,
because I didn't call her out onher shit.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
The next thing, you know, people are just going to
be like cutting in front of mein line, and I'm not going to
bring down the hammer of justicein order to tell them to get
their asses in the back.
What is going to happen to theworld?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
something tells me you're gonna, you're gonna,
you're gonna you think I'llrecover yeah, I think so we'll
say we sent.
We sent, uh boss, a picturewhen coach and I were hanging
out in la.
We sent her a picture of thetwo of us, um and uh, and she
said, oh, look at my soft boysyeah, I mean it.

(14:19):
I mean it every time that'sbecause you haven't seen coach
breaking in windshields with abat.
You've not seen that.
That side of code you'd reallylike.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
You'd be like, yes, okay I I think that's why you
knew you would get that.
That is the thing I love tohave that gear.
I genuinely, if I lose thisgear, I'm gonna be angry with
you because I I like the gear Ido not feel I don't feel guilty
about it at all.
I actually was, like Ilegitimately at one point said
to myself.
I was like emily, you fucked upthis time, but next time you

(14:53):
will make them cry, don't worryabout it.
Just don't don't feel upset,don't feel like you did anything
wrong.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Next time you'll make them cry well, I, I, I cannot
believe that anything, I cannotbelieve that anything I've said
over the years has worked itsway through that, that
impenetrable cerebellum of yours.
But but, yes, I think it'swonderful, I have no doubt you
will, you will return to form.

(15:20):
Yeah, no, I, I.
I feel badly for the for thenext person.
Return to form.
Yeah, I feel badly for the nextperson that tries to steal your
twinkie.

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, god bless.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, Okay.
Well, everybody, we are goingto jump right in.
Today.
Usually we talk, for you know,three to four hours before we
discuss the show.
Today, 15, solid 15.
Just a hot 15 minutes ofchatter Again.

(15:53):
Coach will be back with us nexttime.
We're very sorry.
We know you tune in for him andnobody else.
I wouldn't listen, Emily, or me.
My one-woman podcast didn't goanywhere.
It's right in the trash binnext to my one man show.
Yeah, no, we hope to have himback.

(16:14):
He'll bring a lot of life.
He's going to be very, very sad.
I know he'll listen to this andhe'll be sad that he did not
get to chime in, because what wehave cooking at the end of this
episode is is rare.
It's a rarity and I and I'veyou know I wasn't trying to show
have a cliffhanger last timewas trying to be honest, to say

(16:36):
it is.
It is one of those shows whereyou know you're just like, well,
shit, I, okay, they didn't,they really buried the lead.
I, I did not know this.
Uh, I don't believe there wereclues where I could have put
this together.
You know, it's like reallytruly intentionally buried.
Um, so, knowing that, let'sjump right in, uh, to where we

(16:59):
left off.
Um, the we're at the, we're atthe.
Uh, the, the meth compound here, calvin's meth compound and uh,
and we had, we had like sort ofa it's not a mexican standoff,
because no one's drawn anythingyet.
But uh, sergeant geller flasheshis badge, says, uh, that he's

(17:20):
from brockton pd.
You're a long way from yourpiece of shit.
Calvin responds, which is whatI mean.
Typically it's what you do withofficers of the law.
It takes a.
What happens next boss is anidentifier.
It's like if you're saying, orif you're like a reg, if you're,

(17:41):
if you're a muggle, if you're anormie like me, for example,
I'm not attacking anybody.
I would say typically, when I'mfaced with an officer on my
property, I say okay, how can Ihelp you?
I assume he's an ambassador oforder versus chaos.
No, what Calvin does here isinteresting.

(18:01):
No, what Calvin does here isinteresting Because he Geller
says once he says the piece ofshit line.
You're a far cry from yourpiece of shit.
He says you must be Galvin Clay.
Two counts of felony vandalismto an RV, which we saw, three
counts of aggravated assault.
And Jay says what?

(18:23):
Here Jay jumps in.

Speaker 4 (18:26):
Several counts of public urination, one at a
counts of public urination oneat a yogurt shop.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
They want a yogurt shop.
I mean, I, I'm assuming you'vepeed at a yogurt shop publicly,
boss, um, but I, but most of ushaven't, uh, and I mean, I
definitely peed in public beforeI'm I don't know about a yogurt
shop I was like this isinteresting.
They're listing his priors orwhatever they call them, and or

(18:49):
his, his priors, that they callit and but, like it's, these are
pretty tame because the rv wesaw, we saw the rv happen.
That's recent, so it's like allthese years that he's been
running this meth compound, orwhat we assume is like a meth
compound, and and it's not.

(19:09):
Um, there's he's never beenbusted for anything drug related
.
So, or crocodile related orfight, really it just seems
really interesting.

Speaker 4 (19:19):
Yeah, well, it, it, yes, but also this is what
happens when you reach thislevel of crime lord-ish, Like,
in order to get the.
By the way, I'm basing most ofthis on my knowledge of the Wire
, so I shouldn't pretend that Iactually know.
Sure, like personally, sort oflike a friend of a friend of a

(19:42):
friend you might know.
It's sort of like a friend of afriend of a friend you might
know.
But he's not going to getcaught doing any of this shit at
this point, because he's notactually going to be carrying
any of the drugs or moving anyof the drugs or selling any of
the drugs.
He's going to be telling thepeople to do the selling and
buying.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
I like that you brought up the wire because you
remember it's not Stringer Bell,who's Stringer Bell, who's the
main guy?

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Avon.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Barksdale, avon, barksdale, right.
So when Avon, when he becomesidentified as like oh, the guy
behind everything is AvonBarksdale, you remember what the
cops say?

Speaker 4 (20:15):
That they didn't know what he looked like, didn't
know who the guy was.
Who the hell is Avon Barksdale?

Speaker 3 (20:18):
They have no idea who Avon B barks daily they've
never even heard of the guy.
Yep, and it feels like that'swhat calvin now.
Calvin is not a drug czar byany stretch of the imagination,
but, um, okay, we're going totalk about the casual nature of
his next move.
Uh, several counts of publicurination, one in a yogurt shop,
to which calvin shrugs and saysthey said my coupon was expired

(20:39):
, so fuck them.
Okay, now these guys are frombrockton, so they don't really
they don't care about that theydon't care about that they're
like fine, yeah, all right, uh,we're looking for a boy named
wayne mccullough, says geller,uh, son of maureen mccullough.
And and he keeps identifyingwho they're looking for.
Because reggie's looking away,reggie's not making eye contact,

(21:02):
he's behind calvin, but calvinis, like he furrows his brow.
He's like well, never, like,never heard him, never.
It's a son of wayne mccullough,your girlfriend.
Uh, she's the registered ownerof a 1979 gold trans am, to
which calvin like tilts his head, like oh, you don't say oh
right, like I've never a goldtrans am.

(21:22):
You say oh, and, and we don'tsee the gold trans am in frame.
When we look at the cops, we'rejust looking at a two-shot with
their nissan leaf behind them,right, and some you know various
like trailers and whatever.
At the we don't see the vehiclein question.
And it's just a really funnyline that comes up.

(21:44):
Because what, what does gellersay when?
When calvin pretends like thathas no idea what he's talking
about?

Speaker 4 (21:49):
I sort of uh thumb over the shoulder and says, uh,
the one right over there?
yeah, that, that one that one,that one like in our vicinity
and you know you just brought upthe issue that you would react
very differently to the policethan Kelvin would.

(22:13):
It's not actually a bad tacticfor Kelvin to take, though I
don't want to denigrate policeofficers.
I don't want to denigratepolice officers.
I'm only going to say on theWest Wing there was an episode
where Oliver Platt, as a lawyer,was sort of preparing Allison
Janney for a deposition and hesaid, like in the role of the

(22:38):
interviewer, do you know whattime it is?
And she looked at her watch andsaid it's 3.34.
And he said wrong.
I asked you do you know whattime it is?
Your answer is yes, that's allyou say.
I'm not saying police are outto get people.
I am saying you don't give themany more information than they
already have.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
I really appreciate that and I think this is by
virtue of my position as anaffluent, appearing white man.
I'm not affluent, but I havethe appearance.
I can fake it in a way thatlooks like I'm a credible, I'm a
tax-paying, god-fearing memberof society.

(23:20):
So I have the luxury, theprivilege buys me, in my, my
experience, a quick appraisal.
So I have the luxury of goinghey, what's up, guys, how's it
going?
And then to see if they'reafter me you know what I mean
like.
And then there's, there's this,uh, there's these guys on
social media.
I forget who they are, but theydo this.
They're defense attorneys whothey're like oh, every year they

(23:42):
do this little song and danceor like never talk to the cops,
never, talk to like, never,never, never.
When do we talk to the cops?
Never?
What do we?
If they ask us a thing, what dowe say Give me a lawyer.
Like, never, ever, ever, ever.
And I and I have wax poeticabout how I think there are
amazing officers of the law liketruly amazing, inspiring, and

(24:05):
there's also absolute criminalsand degenerates who wear a badge
, and so you never know.
And it's a good practice to erron the side of caution where
your personal liberty is inquestion.
Yeah, man of liberty.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
Uh, isn't, yeah, man, I.
I mean this again not todenigrate anybody, but this is
also to acknowledge the inherentpower dynamic between you and
an officer of the law.
So if you could reclaim alittle bit of they, have the
ability to arrest you.
Like you don't have to talk tothem, just never, never, talk to
the police unless you have toyeah so that's calvin is?

Speaker 3 (24:47):
um, he's not.
His feathers are not ruffled atall.
Well, geller says that oneright, uh, calvin, he looks at
it and then he laughed like helaughs like they're, like
they're all pals.
I'm just fucking with you,wayne mccullough, uh.
And he turns around like ohyeah, wayne mccullough.
Yeah yeah, wayne McCullough.
And what does Reggie say?
He turns around and makes likea gesture at Reggie, like yeah,

(25:09):
we know Whatever.
What does Reggie say?
Yeah, I know that motherfucker.
Yeah.
I know that motherfucker.
Yeah, he's hanging around heresomewhere, mm-hmm you didn't
mind that pun.
I did not mind that pun.
That was quality.
Mid-80s Schwarzenegger cheese.

Speaker 4 (25:30):
Okay, so before he got to the Batman and Robin, Mr
Freeze ice to meet you.
This is more your speed.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
I do not like ice to meet you, you don't.
No, I like commando.
I let him go like like hedropped a guy off the thing and
they say, oh, yeah, yeah, youknow like really.
But like, see, calvin is like,uh, you know he's like, he's a
big, he's a superhero, I thinkis what you were just saying.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Not really as compared with schwarzenegger
from the 80s movies.

Speaker 3 (26:02):
I wish I didn't admire how cool he is.
This is like Heart of Darkness.
We're talking about ColonelKurtz and how he gave this
famous speech in Apocalypse.
Now about the will, about howthe enemy had the will to do
certain things.

(26:22):
I've admired that in you, boss.
I admired that you have thewill to follow through in places
I normally would not.
Calvin is a cool customer.
I'm not saying he's a superhero.
I'm not saying he's my personalhero.

Speaker 4 (26:37):
Yes, not at all, but he is a cool customer.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
He is not easily rattled.
He was okay.
He was much more rattledhearing stories about wayne
mccullough, senior, and heactually smoked a butt to like
calm him a little bit, while hewas about to burn wayne with an
acetylene torch.
Then he is facing off with andand let's go, let's keep going,

(27:01):
so that we know why I'm sayingthis.
Uh yeah, he's hanging aroundhere somewhere.
I don't know why this happens,boss.
I do not know why this happens.
I'm very surprised about this.
But Reggie takes that as a cueto open the hanging plastic to
show the cops that Wayne is hung, that he is hanging from a

(27:24):
chain gagged in their garage.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Because at this point he can't say Wayne has been
here, because then they're goingto keep coming back and looking
for Wayne.
If he says Wayne was here andhe left and I don't know where
he went, they're going tocontinue checking in.
Oh, have you heard from Wayne?
They will know that that was apoint where Wayne was.
So they can't say he's beenhere and expect the

(27:49):
investigation to be dropped.
But these two are cops from outof town, not there on official
police business.
What he is betting on is thathe could get rid of these two
cops and Wayne more easily thanhe would be able to throw them
off of Wayne's scent.
So he is.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
He is gambling on a triple murder in order to get
himself clear that's a hell of aof a decision to make and it's
a hell of a decision to put inthe hands of reggie.
And the only way I can I cansort of make it work in my brain
is that this is commonplace forthese guys.
Like he knows, reggie has thesame way we saw we talk about
the rosie o'donnell studyingyour dad.

(28:30):
Oh, it's not a bad kind ofdrunk.
He knows when calvin gets inthis mood, somebody's gonna die.
Calvin's about to killsomething.
It's like predatory yeah.
So reggie just opens the thingand shows them late, right, go
ahead.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
Sorry I was only going to say that we've also
have, in addition to the uhvandalism of the rv and reggie
beating the shit out of thealligator guy, like it doesn't
seem as if the local police arethat interested in investigating
these two.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Not at all.
I mean no investigation tospeak of.
So Reggie pulls the thing openand you know there's a slider on
it.
So it slides open.
Wayne is right there and nowJay goes fuck yeah, and he goes
for his gun.
Mm-hmm, they're about a goodfour paces apart, five paces

(29:21):
apart tops.
Mm-hmm, like for the cops fromthe bad guys, jay reaches back,
goes for his piece, which istucked into his thing, but then
doesn't take it out somehow inthe next shot yeah, and that
must have been a continuityerror or something.
But yeah, a little thing.
Right, the first thing you dois pull your gun.

(29:42):
I'm not a gun person.
You step back and you pull yourgun right, you don't do what he
does jay walks past calvin,calvin, reggie, and then Reggie
hits.
Now in the next shot it lookslike he's still reaching for his
gun here.
You see his hands behind, soit's a little bit of a
continuity thing, but I'll givethem the credit to say, okay, he

(30:03):
thought he was going for hisgun, but he's also moving in
Right and Reggie clobbers cop ofsoup.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Right clobbers cop of soup.
There's got to be some kind ofgood soup pun, like some name of
a soup that would be.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
I keep wanting to say he got chowdered, but that
doesn't seem like anything.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
It doesn't, especially if you're from Boston
Chowdered, but he gets knockedout, knocked out, cold.
Reggie goes, adios,motherfucker.
And Geller doesn't make a move.
Geller, he's talking about acool customer.
Geller just watches it, likeyou know.

(30:44):
It was like it's a callback towhen he and Jay went and talked
to the police that were sort ofin the middle of all.
There was a that were sort ofin the middle of all.
You know there was like asearch that they were in the
middle of.
Do you remember that?
And Geller was just standingthere calmly talking Like it
wasn't?
I don't know.
It may be I may be mixing it up.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Wait which episode was that?

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I'm trying to think it was pretty early.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Because I know that they met the Lucchettis at the
ice cream place.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Yeah, they met the Luchetti's at the ice cream
place and there was a lot ofshit going on.
Then I'm going to have to lookback and see Maybe I'm mixing it
up with another show, but Iknow it's because now it doesn't
feel like it's possible whatI'm remembering.
I just I must put SergeantGeller on a pedestal, but I'll
go back and try to try to review, but but he just watches it
without he doesn't move a muscle, he doesn't, he's not triggered

(31:33):
, he doesn't go for his gun.
Reggie says adios, motherfucker.
And now Calvin pulls asledgehammer out of nowhere,
like must have been behind thecar he's leaning on, Flips it
over, hands it to Reggie andReggie grabs it.
Really calmly, Reggie, he doeslike a little sort of little

(31:56):
pimp walk, kind of dope stepthing where he, you know, in.
In Ted Lasso terms, this wouldbe like this is a time to strut
for Reggie, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, this is.
This is the highlight of hisday.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Yeah, and he is not.
Also, I will reiterate this is,this is the highlight of his
day.
Yeah, and he is not.
Also, I will reiterate he isnot worried.
Reggie, now I know Reggie'sstupid, but like this is a cop.
He just knocked out a cop andnow he's behind another cop with
a sledgehammer and again Gellerdoes not even prevent him from
getting behind him.
He's just like a little, youknow, pretty slender guy.

Speaker 4 (32:35):
He's got to be what, what would you put his age at in
this uh late 40s?
Late 40s late 40s, possiblyearly 50s.
Either he has had either he isa rough late 40s or a great
early 50s okay right, yeah, thatwas that's like, that's a,
that's a great way to put it.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
And he doesn doesn't budge.
And so Reggie goes behind him.
I was just wondering, like, ishe going to worry about Reggie
hitting him from behind with thething?
But he doesn't.
He just stands there and Calvingoes after you like, ushers him
politely into the garage,mm-hmm, and then what happens
here, boss.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
And then what happens here, boss, as they're walking
in, uh, he says uh, get yourboys and get a car with a bigger
trunk to Reggie.
Calvin says that to Reggie,like because we need to gather
up all of these bodies and takecare of them, Cause we're going
to murder everybody.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
See, I don't, uh, I'm not as casual around murder you
know when I do my murders.
I'm a little more nervous, Ithink, when I will do I, I
imagine whatever murder, murders, life has in store for me, yeah
, I'm at, especially if, well,I'm not gonna kill cops, so well
, no, that's a bad idea.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
Let's hope I don't kill anybody but.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
but I am stunned by just how casual this whole thing
is and that Geller just walksin, goes along with it.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
Yeah, would you walk?

Speaker 3 (34:01):
to your doom that way ?

Speaker 4 (34:02):
I guess not, if you thought maybe you're not walking
to your doom.
That's the thing though yes.
If he knows that he's notactually walking to his doom,
then he wouldn't be that worriedabout it.
This is a situation whereCalvin thinks that he has sized
up officer Geller.
Officer Geller is notnecessarily what he seems, and
because of that they're bothgoing to be much cooler than

(34:26):
they ordinarily would be.
I think the other thing is thatofficer Geller does not want to
rile Calvin up any more than healready has or already needs to
, because if he starts talkingshit to Calvin, calvin's going
to lose his fucking mind andthen everything's going to get
out of hand.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
So Geller is comfortable assessing the
situation.
I mean, one does not simplywalk into Mordor.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Well, one does if one is a hobbit.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So Geller is the hobbit and he knows he's
comfortable that he has lulledCalvin and Reggie into a false
sense of security.
Also, right away Reggie getsdismissed because he's got to go
get your boys, and so it reallyis one-on-one.

Speaker 4 (35:08):
It's one-on-one.
And also, calvin is not nearlyas smart as he thinks he is.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
Calvin's double the size.
He's got to be twice the size.
I would put Calvin at 250, 260easy muscle mass and I would put
Geller at what 145?
About that?

Speaker 4 (35:27):
He seems on the shorter side.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
Okay, so in the go, yeah, go ahead uh, no, I was.

Speaker 4 (35:34):
Actually.
I was going to ruin, um, anepisode of a brilliant tv show
that I don't want to, but thesekinds of underestimating people
that seem not to be physicallydominant, uh, can be absolutely
fucking hilarious in the bestways.
Like you have never gotten yourass kicked harder than by a

(35:58):
short strappy guy, they're goingto beat the shit out of you the
hardest.
I always say this I know andyou're right about it.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I'm telling you One of the things, especially if
they have a vein in their bicep.
So this is the thing.

Speaker 4 (36:11):
We know for a fact that those guys do exist.
We know that calvin is not assmart as he thinks he is and
he's not as in control as hewould like to pretend to be, and
we know that officer galler hasroutinely not been intimidated
by people who could have beenintimidating.
You might have been thinking ofum, what's his face mark?
The uh construction guy who wastaking all of the oh yes, maybe

(36:37):
that's what it was Right.
Maybe that would be because, youknow there were a lot of
workers weren't running aroundand he was giving him some
bullshit, and Geller knew tograb the phone and double check
for the immigration office andnever lost his cool.
Wasn't intimidated by Mark.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Never lost his cool.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
So anyway, I am.
I.
I was not worried about officerGeller at this point.
I wasn't sure how things weregoing to be resolved, but I
wasn't worried about him.
You weren't.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
I wasn't.
I mean he's John Ralphiocompared to Calvin, it's like.
It's like John Ralphio and RonSwanson walking together.
It's like that body mass kindof.

Speaker 4 (37:17):
Oh yeah, that difference.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Although, john.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Ralphio was taller, but also this is a fucking
karate kid.
This is Ralph Macchio upagainst a blonde guy whose name
I don't remember, even though Idid watch Cobra Kai.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Exactly right, exactly right, right.
So we cut to, we walk in, goget your boys get a bigger trunk
.
I'm gonna kill the.
You know we're gonna kill threepeople.
Three people, and jay is not.
Jay is gigantic.
I mean, jay folded them like a,like a what do they call it?
What's the right term?
Folded them like one of thosecollapsible chairs, jesus.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Christ.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Oh God, pardon me.
Oh no, what is the?
There's a right term for it andeveryone at home is saying it
and I forget?
Folded them like a like laundry.
I forget.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Folded him like a Like laundry.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, it's like the chairs that you fold up.
Folded him like a portable.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
I've never heard anybody say that no.
I mean you're making theaccordion motion, so I don't
know.
You know the chairs that youfold up and you stack Like a
folding chair.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
But it can't possibly be folded him like a folding
chair, he folded like a chairchair like a yes, folded, but it
can't possibly be folded inlike a folding chair.

Speaker 4 (38:34):
Uh, he folded like a chair.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
I don't think I've heard this one before this is a
new england thing ah, okay, yeah, damn it, someone will tell us
in the message boards.
Okay, so, uh, we cut to uh dellwolfing down food.
We get a.
We get a shot, wide shot, ofthe booth that they're in,
because this is a bus stop.
Slash dinerette.

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Fancyest place in town.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Fancyest place in town.
It's beautiful, lovely Ocala,and we get a single of Del and
she is just wolfing food downLike the first time we saw Wayne
eat something, and it is just.
It was like when what's hisname?
gave wayne some food when he wasworking on the job and he like

(39:16):
oh, yeah, yeah the mole yeah,yeah, exactly yes, the bullet,
um, and so dell is like eatingso ravenously and then we get a,
we get a pivot and we we have ashot of orlando and uh and um,
tommy cole, and they're justlike stunned watching.
She must be starving.
Starving to death is how hungryshe's eating, how quickly she's

(39:39):
eating and what does she say toOrlando?

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Thanks for the shirt.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Yeah, she's got a shirt on and we know Orlando
well enough to immediatelyregister.
Yep, that's definitelyOrlando's shirt.
The print, the pattern on it,the cut of it.
Yep's definitely Orlando'sshirt, the print, the pattern on
it, the cut of it.
Yep, that's Orlando's shirt.
He says all good, and walk usthrough this boss.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
So she is sort of looking at both of them while
she's still eating.
She finally slides the trayacross the table, giving up on
eating.
She says I can't do thisanymore.
Tommy Cole says the dog willeat the leftovers he's really a
student of people He'll takecare of it.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It'll be observed.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
You shouldn't feed the dog that, as a person who's
been around a lot of dogs thathave eaten a lot of diner fast
food, you shouldn't do it.
No, it's not great orlando saysuh, fuck the dog, I'll eat it.
And then tommy cole puts thetray back in the middle dell
finally says that's not what I'mtalking about.
I want to go home.
I can't do this anymore,gesturing wildly yeah, yeah,

(40:49):
right, exactly this is.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
I can't do it anymore .
And then Orlando says, well,it's a free country, but I got
to save my boy.

Speaker 4 (40:56):
Right, so you could go home if you need to, but he
is not leaving, To which Delpoints out and what bring him
back to Brockton?

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Okay, and now you talk about soft boys.
This is such a soft boy moment.
I love it so much, I reallyrelated to it.
Um, I feel very seen.
She says and what?
Bring him back to brockton,right, and then when?
And the answer is like no, Imean like you know, but, but a
soft boy answer is what tommycole does right away and he's

(41:26):
like yeah, like she says there'snothing there for him, and
tommy goes yes, there is.
It's like a knee-jerk reactionyes, there is immediately.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
yes, there is.
Yeah, there's nothing there forhim and Tommy goes yes, there
is, it's like a knee jerkreaction.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yes, there is immediately yes, there is, yeah
the other something there forhim, of course.
And then he sounds it out.
He, then he starts spelling thewords of what is there for him
and what does he say, boss?

Speaker 4 (41:46):
I mean sure, kicked out of school and he burned his
house down and his dad is deadand, uh, burned in the house
that he burned down yeah, hegoes.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
I'm sure he got kicked out of school and his
house burned down, you know, andhis dad is dead burnt, burned
up in the house that he burntdown uh and uh.
He's just he's trying, oh yeah.
So what's he got?
Orlando goes, but he's got us,yeah he does.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Yeah, that's it there .
There it is.
Yeah, that's the one.
Thank you, that's it.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Yes, yeah, he can live he can either live with me
in the house where I keepkilling dogs even though I'm his
principal, and that would beweird or maybe he could move in
with orlando and his senilegrandma who can't take care of
Orlando.
He's got us, though.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
He's got us.
What does Del say?

Speaker 4 (42:37):
He wants to be with his mom.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Yeah, look, wayne's in danger.
Your pops is all hopped up onvengeance.
This is what Orlando says, andthem crazy bat swinging brothers
here as well.
And what does Del say?

Speaker 4 (42:49):
Don't worry, as long as Wayne's with his ma nobody's
fucking with him, Ah the ironyRight.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It's really interesting, yeah, and why is
nobody fucking with him?

Speaker 4 (43:01):
That place is like a white trash fortress of meth
heads and crocodiles.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
No, I believe it's alligators.

Speaker 4 (43:07):
I believe alligators are in the south of the US and
crocodiles are in Africa, but Iwould need to double check that
it's.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Uh, yeah, no, it is, there's no crocs.
But I still refuse to saygators, um, yeah, no.
I just said.
My daughter goes to school inflorida and I'm always like how
are those crocs there?
Any scenic?
Actually, no, still gators.
Um, uh, she says nobody'sgetting in there.
And uh, she says he doesn'tneed us.
So that is, he doesn't need us.

(43:33):
So that is the he doesn't needus.
And then she says any of us.
She looks down and she says hedoesn't need us, any of us,
which is a real sort of windowinto everything she's been
contending with.
And she says what?

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Can you just take me home?

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Yeah, real softly.
And then she says somethingcompletely Undell-like.
What does she say after that,please?

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Actually says please, and I think when she said he
doesn't need us, he doesn't needany of us, that is a gut check,
that is an emotional reactionto he didn't pick me like what,
what she is actually saying isnot, he doesn't need us.
It's well, he chose to be withhis mom instead of me, so, like

(44:25):
he doesn't, he doesn't need meenough to pick me.

Speaker 3 (44:27):
That's what she is commenting on specifically yeah,
or you, or he's not sittinghere waiting for you to show up
and say right, and and if you do, he's not going with you anyway
, because that's where he wantsto be.
Um, so they take that in and wejust get a.
We get a nice wide shot, likeyou know, back to the original
establishing shot of themsitting in the in the booth and

(44:50):
it's just a little nod ofunderstanding.
So now we're back to the garageand it's just, it's incredibly
well shot, um, they, they have.
Now.
Now, instead of the garagebeing um pitch black with, like
it was when they wereestablishing, uh, that wayne was

(45:12):
alone in the garage.
Now what you have is these guysare walking calvin behind geller
.
Geller actually looks over hisshoulder for the first time to
see if he's about to get whacked.
It's like a, the good fellas,like is this the second um that
I'm gonna get whacked or not?
But now they have light shiningand pouring in through the

(45:32):
translucent plastic and theyalso have a, a blue tarp hung up
on the side with more lightcoming through it as a, like a
fill and or like a diffractor,so that we get some sort of
differentiation between the, the, the sort of um shades of light
coming in and it's a great shot.

(45:53):
It's just a great shot.
The blue pulls out a lot of thecolor in Geller's Tommy Bahama
shirt.
And what does he say?
This is like so bad.
This is almost superhero.
It's almost Batman.
Badass that's how.

(46:14):
Yeah, because he's checking,like I was.
I'm reading a fantasy novelright now where the big thing
that the the protagonist doesbefore he fucks up people is.
He says like I'm gonna give youthis opportunity.
He's very polite.
He's like I would like to giveyou this opportunity to save
yourselves.
I, I don't wish you any harm,but if we do this, you will not

(46:36):
walk out of here alive and andinvariably they're like you know
whatever, but but it's like agentlemanly thing.
And so what?
What does geller say here?

Speaker 4 (46:45):
you're certain you want to do this like very, very,
very much the same thing likeyeah yeah, so you want to do
this?

Speaker 3 (46:52):
huh, and what is calvin saying?

Speaker 2 (46:57):
yeah, I want to do this yeah, I want to do this.

Speaker 4 (46:59):
Okay, all right, I mean, yeah, I feel like that
also could be.
Uh, officer geller, the justyou know officer of the law
saying are you sure that youwant to go ahead and commit
murder?
It not just like are you sureyou want to do that?
Are you certain you want to dothis because it's going to end
badly for you?

(47:20):
But it could be just, I'm goingto try to talk you out of this.
I'm a cop.
I would prefer if you not tryto murder people.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
That's how I think calvin sees it, which is
interesting.
It has like a double meaning,you're right.
It's like, oh, I'm just doingmy job to be like a.
It's a public service reminderthat murder is illegal.
Are you certain you want to be,uh, in the, in the, in the, in
the side of of justice that uh,fractures the law and um, yeah,
calvin, I think calvin thinksit's like a, like a last gasp

(47:49):
kind of thing, rather than achance for him, right, which is
you know kind of you just gowhatever.
Now we get a single of wayne.
He's just watching.
This, luckily, has not beenburned, but he's still gagged,
he's still hanging, tiltedforward slightly, with the chain
directly in the center of hisback.
Um, his arms are still chainedbehind him, and so Geller says,

(48:15):
well, if we're really going todo this.
He holds up his, he takes outhis firearm.
It's an automatic, you know,like, you know, medium caliber,
automatic, sort of standardissue kind of thing.
Um, I can't tell if it's aglock, but it's just because

(48:38):
it's backlit, but it doesn'tmatter, it's like a standard
issue sort of uh, automatic, um,handgun, and it's in a leather,
like a leather, carryingholster, uh, not strapped, no
straps on it or anything likethat, just like something he
tucked in his trousers and heholds it up like as a, as a I
don't know, just like ademonstration.

(49:00):
Like while he's looking at wayneinterestingly not at calvin and
he clearly is not going for theweapon.
The way he holds it up ismaking it clear to calvin I'm
not reaching for my peace.
You know that's not what thisis.
So he says all right, as longas we're going to do this.
Calvin now mocks him and pullsout a butterfly knife.

(49:24):
I just love the direction of it.
Whoever directed this?
To make Calvin pull out hisknife and kind of mock Geller
with it about putting it down,like throws it down, like, oh
alright, I'll put down my thing.
You stupid shit.
It's really juvenile.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
Well, it's also.
All he had was a butterflyknife.
He didn't have a gun because hedidn't need a gun, Because what
he was planning to do when hebrought both of them into the
garage was beat the shit out ofthem until they died.
This was partly like oh, you'vegot a gun.
I would have killed you even ifyou had a gun.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Right.
Well, so Gallagher says exactlyright.
He says, well, if we're goingto do this, no need to sell our
Tommy Bahamas, which you know,that's true.
Why would you ever sell theTommy Bahamas?
Needlessly, you know.
And so he takes off his shoes.
Geller takes off his shoes andsets them on like a shitty chair

(50:26):
that's there and right next tohis weapon, and then he starts
to take his socks off.
Yeah, and there's like aninsert of him well, you don't.
You don't want to get your socksdirty when you're in the middle
, why sell your like it could betommy mohammed socks.
They make socks.
I'm sure I don't know for afact I have no idea um also you

(50:47):
mentioned whoever directed thisepisode, because I had it up.

Speaker 4 (50:50):
It's, uh, michael patrick jan, who also directed
drop dead gorgeous, which I havereferenced on this podcast
before oh damn look at thateverything's tied together.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Well, so he, uh, he starts taking off his, his socks
and, and he's so casual aboutit that calvin's like are you
fucking?
He's like you're gonna fuckingregret this man.
Like, because this calvin isperceiving as a you know, your
calmness in the face of mebeating you to death is it's

(51:26):
stupid well, he also thinks it'san insult.

Speaker 4 (51:31):
Yeah, yeah, but why you're gonna make me hurt you
even more than I would havebecause you aren't willing?
Well, he also thinks it's aninsult.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
Yeah, yeah, you're going to make me hurt you even
more than I would have becauseyou aren't willing to be
properly afraid of me, right,right, it's like the bully code,
right, how dare you?
I'll now bully you more, yes,and he says you're going to
regret this.
And then we get another greatshot.
We're going to look up who wasthe cinematographer.
I think there were twocinematographers for this.

(51:56):
Let me look it up right now,while we have it here, because
it's just a beautiful, beautifulshot.
And I will forget D GregorHagey, h-a-g-e-y.
He was the only DP, he's onlythe director of photography.
One person, 10 episodes.
D Gregor Hagee Um, he's reallygood, he's talented or she's

(52:18):
talented.
I don't know if it's a he orshe.
Gregor sounds like a man's name, but whatever, who knows?
I don't know what D stands for,um, but it's um.
This is a beautiful shot.
Uh, you got light, it's almost.
There's this shot in silveradowhere brian dennehy faces off in
the final like shootout withkevin klein and kevin klein has

(52:39):
a church behind him and briandennehy has the open prairie and
it's like this obvious, likewho is in the.
You know like, theoretically,you know like who has the, the
power of, uh, civilization orwhatever, behind them.
And so Gellar says what here?
This is great, as he.
We get this signal.
You're going to regret this.
And Gellar says what?

(53:02):
Regret's a funny thing, isn't it?
Okay, now I'm going to dosomething I don't always do, but
I want people to hear.
I just want people to hear this, because I won't do it justice
and I'm going to turn up thevolume here for just a sec.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
You're going to fucking regret this man.
That's Calvin Regret's.
A funny thing, isn't it?
You know, in the summer of 93,I taught English overseas in
Thailand, a place where I wouldhe's taking off his belt
expectedly fall in love.
His name was Anaruk.
It was a deep love the likes ofwhich I have never again

(53:45):
experienced.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
Now he's unbuttoning his shirt.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Unfortunately, that love will be taken for granted,
as he set me up for a crime Idid not commit, a crime that
cost me 817 days on Satan'spillow, a brutal Thai prison.
Look, man, you had some queerexperience in another country.

(54:09):
Big fucking deal I did.
Time too.
Lucky for you, not the kind Idid.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
This is him.
Okay, I gotta pause here.
Sorry that might have blownpeople's ears.
Luke, we're gonna have to makesure we didn't murder anybody
with that music reveal.
Geller takes his shirt off andhe is absolutely graffitied with

(54:42):
prison tats.

Speaker 4 (54:47):
As we all are, I'm sure.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
Like we get a reverse shot, we get a shot from behind
, boss.
And what does it say across hisshoulders in the biggest, most,
most sort of messy straight cutrazor, these are like razor
blades with ink.
Like is full prison tat, kindof writing.
And what does it say across hisshoulders?

Speaker 4 (55:12):
carnage.

Speaker 3 (55:14):
Interestingly enough, that is one of my tattoos also
carnage and okay, oh, my god,all right, I'm going to turn the
volume down.
And so now we see, we get thisvery quick sort of montage of

(55:35):
all the various horrible tattoos.
There's a beheaded person,there's a snake that says fuck
this place, die, die, die.
I will die here.
I mean, these are not your like.
Oh, I'm gonna go to la and geta really fucking cool tattoo.

(55:58):
These are.

Speaker 4 (55:58):
These are like someone in the in the pit of
despair yeah, these are thetattoos he got when he was in
prison, or the tattoos he gotafter prison to represent his
time on satan's pillow I mean, Idon't know if you would ever.

Speaker 3 (56:16):
I don't know, I thought these were for sure a
present time, but whatever.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
Yeah, maybe, maybe, I don't know, but the way that he
is talking about it, there is apossibility that he could have
processed after the fact inorder to decide.
Yes, I'm going to document itin this way, but that it's, from
weirdly, a uh, a place of peaceabout it.
He's not shouting when he saysthis, he's not angry, he's

(56:39):
explaining why he is the waythat he is and he seems to be
cool with it.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Oh, right, on his right hip boss, upside down,
meaning he was the one who inkedhimself it says I'm sorry,
mother.
And then, more disturbingly,there's one place where this
happens, but it happens all overhis body.
There are a number of hashmarks 25, to be exact.

(57:06):
In this one place there are 25.
Like marking something.
We don't know what they'remarking, but we know, they're
all over his back too.
All over his back.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
I mean, I think we have an idea.

Speaker 3 (57:23):
So do you think they're people he killed?

Speaker 4 (57:26):
Yeah, I mean took out in one way or another.
It might be just somebody inthe prison that was fucking with
him enough that he beat up somuch that they don't fuck with
him anymore.
But those are, those arevictories, those are.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
somebody was vanquished okay, jesus, all
right, so I'm going to turn iton a little bit again.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
Hopefully won't blow anybody's eardrums in order to
survive the horrors and theultra-violence of a murder hole
like Klong Prem, you had tofight, oftentimes to the death.
It's there that I learned mymantra To regret deeply is to

(58:06):
live afresh, thoreau.
Unless you've had a change ofheart, son, let's begin the
unfortunates, unless you've hadto change your heart, son, let's
begin.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
The unfortunate I mean now he's got his shirt off.
He has rolled his pants so hehas like now they're like Capri
pant level.
All he's got on his pants nowis barefoot, bare chest, bare
arms, no weapon.
Calls him son yeah, Unlessyou've got.
He quotes Thoreau yeah, ForGrant Dibley's the Live Afresh

(58:44):
Thoreau.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Mm-hmm.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
And then he says unless you've had a change of
heart, let's begin theunfortunates.

Speaker 4 (58:53):
Yeah, and this is, I think, something that I am sure
Coach would want to be involvedin, so I don't want to get into
the conversation yet, but Ithink this is why I have a much
higher tolerance and acceptancefor things like damage and
trauma and tragedy happening.

(59:16):
I don't think that it is athing that by itself would ruin
or break a person or make themunhappy later in life.
I think that being unable toresolve those things could do
that.
But he spent two and a halfyears in a murder prison in

(59:37):
Thailand after the love of hislife betrayed him, and he has
figured out a way of workingthrough it?
Probably not as healthy as hecould have been Like murdering a
bunch of dudes probably wasn'tthe best way of doing that.
But he is now at a point wherehe has a job and he is a pillar

(59:58):
of community and he's going tosearch for a boy who he thinks
needs help, even though all thatshit happened to him.
Like he is processed through it, the issue is not what happens
to you.
The issue is can you getthrough it?
And he is at a place where itseems like he's relatively
peaceful.
He is, at the very least, okayenough telling his story that he
could tell it to this guy,calvin, without seemingly being

(01:00:21):
upset.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I don't like you.
I know I'm a wimp no, that'snot true.
I adore you, but also, what Iwas going to say was something
you'll really like is my kidsare home from college and my
daughter said to me, dad, infront, she started critiquing my
parenting and she said you'regonna love this.
And I said I'm gonna tell bossthis because this is straight

(01:00:49):
out of bosses handbook.
She said, dad, this is veryhappy here and you're, you're,
you're, you're hurting my son,my 14 year old.
She said this is very happyhere and you're, you're, you're
hurting my son, my 14 year old.
She said you're hurting him.
You don't know it, but like, theworld is not orderly like this.
The world doesn't talk outtheir issues, the world is.
It's like, it's like a prisonriot out there and I got

(01:01:10):
hammered when I first realizedwhat it was like out there when
I first went to school so it wasthe beginning of her first year
of college and she's like, Igot it hit me like a ton of
bricks and it was interesting.
I was just laughing and uh, andI said, oh, boss will really
love this and she's like youknow, if you had, you know,

(01:01:32):
conditioned me a little bit more, you know, but you're setting
him up for the same thing.
I don't want him to have to gothrough that.
And so of course I said, allright, yeah, you know, we'll
talk about how best to do that.
But my defense is like how areyou doing Like, did you have the
tools to get through?
Were you able?
to navigate it and did you loseanything from your childhood?

(01:01:53):
And how does it feel to be back?
Yeah, and also it feels great,but it's not.
This is not real.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
This is not real well .
This is like a fake.

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
We're all laughing all the time, we're all having a
great time, we all really enjoyeach other's company.
When there's an issue like I'mcritiquing your parenting and
you're not saying how dare youcritique my parenting, you're
saying great point, let's, let's, let's figure out a better way.
She's like it doesn't work likethat.
People are petty and you knowwhat I mean.
It's like this, yeah, and she'slike it was a, it was a culture

(01:02:24):
shock yes, and I think thatit's going to be a culture shock
, regardless, hopefully.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Um and I'm not, I, I can't be a parent, I'd be
terrible at it um, I will say Ithink you, I, I would never
recommend that anybody.
You know we talked abouttoughening people up.
Don't do that, don't makethings harder, for them
artificially.
Don't love yeah yeah, but don'tartificially make things easier

(01:02:52):
either, which a a lot of parents, especially a lot of the
parents you know around my age.
Essentially they were like, oh,I'm going to call the teacher
and talk this out and I'm like,well, I don't know, man does.
Does the kid need to figure outhow to do their homework?
More like you could help themwith their homework, but you
can't do the things for them.
You can't prevent them fromfeeling bad things because

(01:03:14):
they're going to eventually andyou giving them the tools to do
it is what you need to do, butyou can't hide them away from
the world.

Speaker 3 (01:03:23):
The interesting part.
You're not wrong, boss, and youhave to do some measure of that
.
And if you don't, you reallyare doing your kids a disservice
in not conditioning them to beable to just weather the storm,
because storms are always coming.
Yes, there's always anothertrain coming down the track,
there's always another strike.
Like you can set your watch toit, and can you?

(01:03:46):
You know, coach and I alwaystell our kids the same thing,
which is not how many times youget knocked down, it's how many
times you get back up, exactly.
And so, yes, we're allgenerally saying the same thing.
I think, in my case, you growup with a childhood where it
feels unprotected, unsafe.
All the time.
You want to build a place ofsafety for your kids, at least a
rudimentary place of security.

(01:04:07):
And then the question is thisis then it becomes hard, and you
haven't been able to go throughthis, but I'm sure you've seen
with your um I didn't mean tophrase it that way like been
able, like it's a like.
It's a like, it's a reward orsomething, but you haven't, yeah
no, no, no I mean with yournieces and nephews, but I mean
you haven't gone um through thisdirectly.

(01:04:27):
But there it becomes thisbalance where you're like, okay,
where's the line?
And it's not a line based onyour parenting style or the
world, uh, you know in toto,it's a.
It is a line that you drawwhich is completely subjective
and completely situational,based on where the kid is in
their development and who theyare and what's their situation

(01:04:50):
and who you are in the momentand who your family is where you
live.
It's like this tremendousamount of criteria that gets
lumped in.
So that's why it's hard to say,okay, then where are those
lines?
It's not.
You can't paint with primarycolors in these things.
It's very, very nuanced.

Speaker 4 (01:05:09):
No, no, no, absolutely.
I cannot say that anybody couldcome up with any hard and fast
rules.
There's also going to be thingswhere just based on social
acumen or how kids fit in withgroups like a kid could have a
rough time in elementary schoolbecause I wasn't great at making
friends.
Shocked.
I'm sure everybody's shocked,but I didn't have a lot of

(01:05:29):
friends in elementary schoolbecause I was a weirdo and I'm
good with it now.
But like that would be adifferent thing than my other
siblings who were pretty popular, like that.
That's just a different way.
I don't think that there areany rules.
I think it varies case by case.
I think parents usually try todo the best.
The only thing I will say is, ifyou need to keep your 18 year

(01:05:53):
old son home from school, homefrom going away to college,
because he doesn't know how towork the washing machine yet,
you did not do a good enough jobof training them on day to day
things.
I will go ahead and say that Iknew a woman who said my son is
going to stay home one year, goto community college.

(01:06:13):
I'm going to teach him how todo laundry and how to make
dinner for himself so that hecould have soup and grilled
cheese.
And I was like ma'am, ma'am, anine-year-old can make
themselves a grilled cheese.
The fuck are you talking about?
So that's the thing you got toweigh that out.
Don't go one way or the othertoo hard I'm way, way too far on

(01:06:36):
the side.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
You don't like.
Uh, it was funny.
No, no, I am I, I no, no, no, Idefinitely need to be better
about.
But, um, um, we went to uh,it's this orientation for, uh,
my son got into an art schoolfor next year.
Yeah, and uh, and he's, uh,he's great, 14 years old.
He didn't like the school hewas in.
It was a stem school and he'slike, I just, I'm a writer, I

(01:06:58):
want to go right, so great, yougot into this very prestigious
art school.
We were very, you know, likeblown, blown away.
It was like a feels like amiracle.
Um, and people fly out from allover the world to go to this,
this particular art school, um,which is even more, you know,
it's like astounding.
Uh, that happens to just be, youknow, 30 minutes from where we
live, and so you got people fromall over the world and

(01:07:21):
different cultures and differentbeliefs and different, you know
, whatever.
And so they have this, the Deanof Students, like the sort of
brass tacks, sort of first lineof defense.
She is giving this speech andshe is like, like when I first
saw her, she's like sort of asort of a I don't know what it's

(01:07:43):
like, just like a stronglooking woman.
She's got great like real curly, kind of kind of crazy hair and
, um, and I just lean over toJulianne, I'm like, is that my
new best friend?
Like right away?
I'm like I love her, I love herand she's like, listen, she's
going through all the things andshe says, parents, I know

(01:08:05):
you're going to say, hey, youwant to get a laundry service
for your kids, but teach them todo the goddamn laundry.
And if you won't, I will.
I'm happy to go down and showthem their dorm parents will,
and if you won't I will.
I'm happy to go down and showthem their dorm.
Parents will, because thesekids are boarders.
Not my son is a day student,but a lot of these kids live in
the dorms and she's like theycan do their laundry.
They can do their laundry.
I know it seems crazy for someof you.

(01:08:26):
Some of you hear that and yousay no, they can't.
And she says and I know thatthere are cultural elements here
that we're not aware of shesaid there was this one student
who came from a very wealthyfamily and you know it's about
six weeks into school and someof the other students start to

(01:08:47):
complain Like hey, this otherstudent who has just arrived,
he's not, you know, like hisself-care is not up to snuff,
he's very, it's a very.
There's some odors coming fromfrom the unknown yeah, got to
have to work on hygiene Need alittle help on.
Yeah, in the hygiene department.
And she said so.
We pulled him aside and we, wetalked to him.

(01:09:09):
We said hey, you, you know, canwe help you, or whatever.
And then he started crying andhe said I, I don't know how to
clean myself because he camefrom a family where he was
sponge bathed by servants.
No, swear to God, no, yeah, Hiswhole life he did not know how
to shower.

(01:09:29):
So so you just go.
Okay, I know you think I'm badI, I, I, I.

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
So I'm just saying it exists, it's cultural, it's
cultural for fuck's sake I can't, but he was a teenager like he
was, like I think it was.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Uh, I think he was 12 when he got there.
Because they take early, theycome in a little early, but yes,
right, it's like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:10:01):
Yeah, no listen.
If that kid was masturbating,that means you can't have
somebody sponge bathing him.
That's unacceptable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:07):
Not everybody's masturbating when you did, boss.
Not everyone comes out of thewomb and starts immediately
masturbating.

Speaker 4 (01:10:18):
No, but 12 year old boys are I met 12 year old boys
before.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yeah, no, it's a fair , it's a fair bet, that's.
Yeah, you're playing thestatistics, I like I just you
just say, okay, it's there's.
You know, I would not havethought that, I would not have
thought that that was the reasonwhy the young man uh.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Was challenged and yes, and so I think, like am I
trying to be as compassionatefor a kid who doesn't know how
to shower, because he's alreadyalways been sponge bathed, as I
would be for like a kid thatmoved into the dorms and doesn't
know how to work a printerbecause they've never had a

(01:10:55):
printer?

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
like see.
But how does that kid know it'snot his fault, he didn't?

Speaker 4 (01:11:00):
know I'm going to some wealthy family yeah, I'm
saying I'm trying to have thesame amount of compassion.
Oh you're getting soft.

Speaker 3 (01:11:06):
You're getting soft.
Look at you.
Oh, this is me and coach.
I tell coach that you're tryingto have compassion but also
those rich fucking parents.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
I want to con them out of their money because
they're doing such a bad jobwith it.
They do not deserve to havethat yeah well, jesus.
Christ.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
In the faithful words of William, Money in Unforgiven
deserves got nothing to do withit.
Oh, for fuck's sake so we'regoing to move on from the scene,
but I want to just show yousomething here.
I was noticing Calvin's head,and then I was noticing my head
in the camera.
And I was like if I do watch,watch if I make the same face.

Speaker 4 (01:11:46):
I'm like Are you going to try to grow out that
handlebar mustache a little bit?

Speaker 3 (01:11:50):
Well look I kind of look, you got to say, you got to
admit there's similarity.
He's maybe a little more round,I might be a little more ovular
, maybe it's just the beard.
I think it's the beard, youthink that's it.
We're both equally round headed.
I think, if we got, you if weshaved you upright and don't
tell Juliana that I told you todo this.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
I cannot be blamed for this.
No, I will blame you.
A gold chain.
I think you could pull that offfor halloween.
Nobody would know.
It would be like the year thatI went as um uh, cheryl tunt
from archer.
I dressed up as her when Ifirst had red hair 10, 12 years
ago.
I even had a little name tagthat said shut up.

Speaker 3 (01:12:26):
I know, and you gotta send me a picture.

Speaker 4 (01:12:28):
I don't know if I have one.
This was before we had cameraphones.
Like not, most of the peoplewho knew had a flip phone still
oh wow it's a while back, but no, nobody picked up.
I was like that's fine neverwant to change.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
Coach still wears a chain.
I've worn, uh, when I was Ionce someone gave me, uh, one of
those rawhide necklaces with alittle thing on it, uh like a
little, I don't know shark tooth.
It wasn't a shark tooth, but itwas.

Speaker 4 (01:12:53):
You know what I mean, and then I've had a little bead
thing.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah I've had the bead one and I've had
the whatever, and they eachlasted about eight seconds
before my sensory shit kicked inand I was like ah, get this off
me, I don't wear rings forthose.
No, don't remember, I don'twear rings, don't wear watches,
don't wear cannot wear earringsfor much, for like more than two
hours.

Speaker 4 (01:13:14):
I can't, I cannot no yeah no, I I try to wear
earrings because I do like theway that they look, but I it's
only for special dinners.
I've got a fitbit that I haveto move, like from my ankle to
my wrist regularly enough sothat it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 3 (01:13:27):
That's really funny.
Can you wear a choker?
Oh god listen, you wear afitbit as a choker absolutely
fucking not, and god bless him.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Mitch hedberg, talking about how um wearing a
turtleneck is just like having avery small person grabbing your
neck all day long.
You just like you put on aturtleneck and a backpack.
It's just like a tiny persontrying to strangle you over
eight hours I had not heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:53):
That is great, that's true.
So you and I have the samesensory issues, boss, it's cool.

Speaker 4 (01:13:59):
I used to make my mom cut the feet off my pajamas,
because why the fuck would youwant sweaty feet in the middle
of the night?

Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
well, you lose the option.
It's the option if you have youcan put your foot under
something, or you can put if youare encased in velour, if you
put a foot on my pajamas, thenmy foot needs to stay in there.

Speaker 4 (01:14:22):
I've lost control.
That's absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (01:14:26):
And in that era the foot pajamas had that plasticky
foot pad thing.

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
Oh, I'm so scared.
Gross, so gross, so gross, sogross.
They would put us in those inorder to go to sleep.
Like what the fuck.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Yeah, it's like being a prisoner.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
Yes, and now my bed I've mentioned is my favorite
place in all of Chicago.
I love it the most.
Um, my covers are all as softas I want them to be and I'm
just going to go ahead and plugthem.
Fucking negative underwear thelong Johns from negative
underwear.
It's every time I put them on Ido the Ned Flanders.

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It's like wearing nothing atall.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Really Nothing at all .

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
Oh my God, they're so incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
No seams.
They're so fucking soft.
They're light, they're not tootight, but they're tight enough.
Fucking it's.
Every time that I get to wearthem is a good day.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
It is fascinating.
And listen again, you, youhaven't had the the you know
once in a lifetime luxury of ofraising your own children, um,
but um, it's so funny to watchhow there's six people in our
family myself, juliana and fourkids.
It's so great.
We all have different tensilelimitations for sock tightness

(01:15:50):
or like you know what I mean.
Like, oh, I like it tight here,but I don't like it, like
sometimes.
I saw my son pull on these,these socks, and I'm like those
are cutting off, like all thecirculation to your ankle.
Like I don't you sure aboutthat?
He's like oh yeah, no, I need it.
I need it there, but I don'twant it tight in the toe box
area.
I'm like what in the but?
Everyone's different.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
It's the I don't know .

Speaker 3 (01:16:11):
I think it's just amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
Different people, different things that make them
want to gag when they thinkabout touching them.
It's so funny.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
Well, calvin, let's begin the unfortunates.
And now I'm just going to walkus through.
You really have to see it.
Boss and I were talking beforewe started rolling and she's
like, I mean, what are we goingto do?
Talk our way through the fight,but it's like it's funny
because wayne has becomesecondary.
But the way that this wholeshow is designed, wayne is the

(01:16:41):
protagonist, but it was neverhim versus calvin, that was
never right.
It was more him versus reggieor something right because
everyone's sort of aligned.
But you're like, okay, thenwho's going to take out calvin?
And I did not see that.
It was gill.
Like you know, six episodes agoI didn't see, like, what is it
going to be?
Um, was it going to be tommycole?
Is that the person that goeshead to head with calvin?

(01:17:03):
No, it can't really be right.
No, and I didn't.
I thought, okay, calvin and jayare kind of similarly sized but
jay gets just but cup Kapasufcome on.

Speaker 4 (01:17:17):
No, Kapasuf isn't doing it, Kapasuf not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:17:21):
Chamomile went out like the victim of a Kendrick
Lamar diss, and Jay was worsethan that.
At least Chamomile got one hitin on Wayne, right, jay got
nothing.
What was he doing?

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
Yeah, he's not.
He doesn't seem like a puncherto me.
No.
He seems like he has alwaysbeen very good at breaking up
fights by throwing his body inbetween people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:56):
Right, he does not punch.

Speaker 4 (01:17:57):
It's like a baby Huey , he's like a big he can pick
you up and bear, hug you awayfrom the danger.
That is it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:03):
Okay, so here I will talk.
I will do the best I can totalk through the fight.
They start to circle a littlebit, oh, and then we actually
are cut.
We cut out of this, we go rightto the diner.
So, boss, walk us through thisscene.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Oh Jesus.
So Orlando starts to reach forsomething or starts to look,
tommy Cole says oh no, no, no,no.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
I got this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:26):
Hey kids, I'm going to pay for this dinner, Don't
worry about it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:29):
I thought that was so funny.
I got this.

Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
I got this like I know this, like dell's gonna pay
for it yeah, uh.
So he grabs the bill, says uh,he holds it up he holds it up
like he's toasting with it, likehe is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
He is making a show.
He's making this it's Ibenevolent professor, I mean uh,
principal, I will, I willhandle this don't worry.

Speaker 4 (01:18:53):
Don't worry, guys.
No, yeah, this is um.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
It's like they're at the ritz so this is the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:18:58):
In college when I met one of my five who is amazing
uh, her older sister and, um,then girlfriend, now wife.
They came into champaign,illinois, which is a cute little
college town but like in incentral ill, not that fancy
whatsoever no no, they at thetime we're living in San

(01:19:19):
Francisco.
They came out to visit.
They took me and my friendroommate at the time and I think
maybe one or two other peoplelike four college kids.
These two grown women with jobstook us out.
We all went to eat at the olivegarden and at the end of the
night some of us started likepulling out our fives and tens.
We're like, okay, well, we'vegot.

(01:19:39):
And they're like, yeah, no, wecan cover this.
We, you guys, aren't old enoughto drink.
We can get your eggplantparmesan.
Like do not trip.
And so at the time I alwaysthink about how funny it is that
we were like, oh, I guess, doesanybody have change for a 12
like?
we were such stupid kids and sobeing able to do that at these
times when you're like, hey, I'mgonna cover the entire table,

(01:20:02):
yeah, he's really milking itit's very funny and uh, again a
little, just a little, characterbeat, totally unnecessary, uh,
but yeah, but great, it's justgreat.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
Um, again, very well lit, um, great shot here, a lot
of depth, because we're lookingthrough, looking right down the
table, like perpendicular to thebooth, looking through, you
know, with the window in thebackground which gives light and
depth.
Orlando and Tommy Cole on oneside, dale on the other, and
keep going here, boss he saysalright, well, this is good,

(01:20:36):
we're doing the right thing.

Speaker 4 (01:20:38):
Wayne found his mom, we found you, I found this
little fuzz ball.
We're all very lucky.
And then the dog whines and hesays you know what?
I'm going to call you lucky.
I'm going to call you lucky.
Well, looks like he's got tolift his leg or something, so
I'm gonna pay the bill.

(01:20:58):
Come on, little buddy.
And then heads out of the books.
And then we go back to orlandoand dell and he says jury's
still out whether or not that'sgoing to be lucky for lucky on
account of time.
He calls dead ducks, he killsdogs.

Speaker 3 (01:21:13):
It's his whole thing yeah, he's got to explain it.
He got to explain.
We get the joke.
But dell is like what are you?
He kills dogs, it's his wholething.

Speaker 4 (01:21:22):
It's a whole thing, yeah.
And then, noticing that she isnot being very responsive, he
says what's wrong?
And she immediately sits up andsays shut, I wasn't thinking
about him.
Shut up, yeah, because youdefinitely weren't.
Uh, he says it sounds like youwere.
How'd you guys meet wayne,obviously most of you talking

(01:21:44):
about?
I mean, she didn't even say Iwasn't thinking about wayne.
She said I wasn't thinkingabout him, so that's fine.
But she then says I sold themsome cookies.
And Orlando goes oh so yourcookies, which Super cute.
It is cute, but there's a lotmore to that than it means.

(01:22:05):
Wayne was talking about her.
Yeah.
Wayne was telling his friendsabout her, yeah, and that he
knows.

Speaker 3 (01:22:14):
Oh okay, cookies, I know that story already yeah,
and wayne did not know her namein the beginning.
She just came by, I don't know.
She might be my girlfriend, Idon't know she said if I can get
enough money, she might thinkabout it.
What's her name?
I don't know, cookies, whatever, like I don't know she's right,
yeah well, I sold her cookies,you just become referred.

Speaker 4 (01:22:33):
It's um, oh man, ellen maen.
I'm really sorry about this.
You might want to turn it offfor 30 seconds.
It's as cute as the fact that,even though I knew a lot of
Craig's friends before I met him, because he and I started
dating early November they wouldat first refer to me as holiday
trim, which is a thing thatdidn't last.

(01:22:56):
It was intentionally a veryvulgar, horrible joke, but they
did.
That was a thing that they saidonce or twice.
Wow.
Now this was a long time ago.
Standards have changed.
I don't know if I would feelthe same way about it now, but
at the time, time ago, standardshave changed.
I don't know if I would feelthe same way about it now, but

(01:23:18):
at the time I thought it wasreally amusing, and so I still
laugh about it now.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
It's you know, I feel about wordplay.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
I can't.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Yeah, no, that's it's , it's, it's clever, okay, so,
yeah, so you're cookies.
And she, and she looks down andwhat does she say?

Speaker 4 (01:23:37):
Says why'd you come all the way to this shithole?
I thought Wayne didn't havefriends.
And he says oh me and Wayne goway back.
I pissed off some dudes whowere going to break my arms but,
being a plan hatchingmotherfucker, I hired the
craziest dude in town to watchmy back.
Shortly after that he came tome to return the favor and then

(01:24:06):
a great cut of Orlando on hislaptop, Wayne busting through
the door saying you knowcomputers, you know how to do
computers.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
You know how to do computers.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
Because that's how you talk about that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
Yeah's how, that's how you talkabout that.
Yeah, so this is a flashbacknow.
Yes, and wayne looks likeyounger, he's clean they must
have filmed this first oh yeah,like this must have been the
first shot that they had.
It must have and then told himto stop cutting his hair oh,
yeah, for sure.
And don't.
Don't clean yourself for a year.
You know how to do computers,and what does Orlando say?

Speaker 4 (01:24:42):
Wayne's just like a caveman when it comes to
anything electronic.
And then she says he's like axenoman and he says right.
Anyway, let me tell you a story.
Wayne found this kid beingblackmailed with video, so he
came to me.
Wayne found this kid beingblackmailed with a video, so he
came to me and then in thisflashback we're seeing Wayne
listening to some asshole with alaptop on the front porch,

(01:25:02):
overhearing whatever theblackmailer with a laptop was
saying.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
It's in their neighborhood and in a shitty
house, just like theirs.
We don't see the kid.
The kid has their back to us.
But we see that the blackmaileris the guy from the very first
scene that was being chased byWayne Right.

Speaker 4 (01:25:21):
Right.
So this is the story of how hegot this blackmailer who we
watched in the beginning, himbust the shit out of with the
garden.
Yeah.
So now we're closing that loop.
He found the guy pretty quick.
We went through all the shit tomake sure the video was deleted

(01:25:41):
for good, and then he says it'sgone from the cloud, from his
phone, laptop, everything yeah,this is in the past.

Speaker 3 (01:25:47):
Now Orlando's in the.
He's now in the room whereWayne dropped the gnome on the
chain to beat the guy.
After pouring the ravioli ontop of his head.
That whole scene.
That was like what is that?
We had no idea what that was.
But yeah, orlando is looking onthe guy's laptop.
It's gone from the cloud, allhis phone's, laptop, everything.

Speaker 4 (01:26:09):
And then he says we should be good to go, closes the
laptop, hands it to Wayne.
Wayne looks at it for a secondand then reaches over his
shoulder and drops him in thefish tank behind him, just
because it needs to be goneforever.
He then grabs the blackmaileroff the floor, drags him into
the other room I was happy thatthe guy was like Not dead, not

(01:26:33):
dead.
Yeah, I was like, oh my God, andthe guy's begging as Wayne
drags him into the it ends upbeing a little bit of a pleading
like no, no, no, into a screamit's, it's, it's for real, it's
it's not for everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
It's not for everybody.
I apologize to our ted last,yeah it is whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
To the point where they do a single of orlando
going like jesus, yes, yes, likeorlando knows that he went to
wayne because wayne was thecraziest motherfucker in town
and he's still like it's shit,all right, uh.
So then, after the thescreaming ends, we cut back to
the present dell what the hellwas on that video?
And Orlando says some girl'smom she was trying to put on her

(01:27:20):
shoe falling down.
It's all fucked up.
And then close in on Del ashe's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:27:29):
We get a camera move.
We're like wait a secondPushing in on Del, yeah, go
ahead.

Speaker 4 (01:27:36):
He is saying she's high drunk, cracked out, and
dell's face starts cracking,starts breaking.
He says it's some pretty fuckedup shit and then flashback to
the blackmailer saying 20 bucksa week, bitch, or your mom goes
viral with dell being the kidthat he was talking to.

(01:27:57):
Do you love it so much?

Speaker 3 (01:28:07):
I was like, wait, what?
Yeah, like what?
Yeah, I thought tell me whatyou think of this.
No, wait, hold on.
He says, come on, pay up, weshould.
We get a shot of waynelistening to what's what.
Yeah, I thought tell me whatyou think of this.
No, wait, hold on.
He says, come on, pay up.
We get a shot of Waynelistening to what's happening.
And now we get a reaction ofDel like breaking down, like
having a.

Speaker 4 (01:28:26):
Like she is going to start sobbing.

Speaker 3 (01:28:28):
We're super tight on her.
It's just her face and frame,Barely get any of her shoulders
and Orlando goes holy shit.
And what does he say?

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Holy shit, your blackmail and cookies.
Damn.
Wayne's been looking out foryou for like years.
And then we cut flashback tothe blood drive Del's storming
out covered in blood and Wayneis eating a cookie, like not

(01:29:00):
upset at all, smiling at Del,watching her leave like smiling
happy.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
Everyone in the room is running like it's a bomb
scare.

Speaker 4 (01:29:09):
Everyone is ducking.
There are people behind himducking yes, yeah.
And he's standing there eatinghim ducking yes, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:29:12):
And he's standing there eating a cookie like
laughing yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:29:17):
Mm-hmm, and I don't know if you were paying enough
attention.
I teared up again when thathappened, like when we were
watching it.
I'd already seen it before.
Still, I fucking love it.
I think it's great.
I love that Wayne would havenoticed her.
I love that they neverexplicitly spelled out that

(01:29:37):
Wayne and Del went to highschool together or that they
knew each other before thebeginning of episode one.
When did you tear up?
When we watched it?
I mean, when I watched it thefirst time, I'm saying, okay, we
watched okay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
Craig, but then when you Orlando and I watched it.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
The three of us watched it.
Okay, got it, still got me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:58):
So what specifically thing got you?
What got you specifically whatmoment?

Speaker 4 (01:30:03):
Um, probably, I think it actually was how much he
seemed like he liked her as shewas walking away.
That like that's.
It's that relationship that Ialways fall back on.
Like she in this moment lookslike a total, fucking crazy
person and nobody understandswhy she is savaging the blood

(01:30:24):
drive that she set up that shethought was going to help her
become class president, andWayne is like, yeah, this is
fucking awesome.
Look at her, go, this is great.
Like there was something aboutthe extent to which we
understood how long theirrelationship had actually
existed or how long it hadlasted.
That I really liked.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
But yeah, he sees something in her that other
people don't see and he thenwent out of his way in order to
protect that okay, I color mestunned because I was bracing
myself for you to be, for you tohate this and be like oh, he's
a stalker.
This is so creepy.

(01:31:04):
And I was like, I was likefully what I told juliana.
I was like I just I'm dreadingthe reveal.
Reveal where Wayne's been kindof like quietly protecting Del
all this time, because boss isgoing to say grooming, boss is
going to say stalker, no, andI'm getting none of that.
Which is getting the opposite,where you're like he's just
admiring her and being a goodlike white knighting, which is

(01:31:27):
what Ted was careful not to do,he didn't want to do that with,
with barbecue sauce.
You know all that stuff, youknow they.

Speaker 4 (01:31:35):
You know, I think I understand why people would be.
I don't think anyone had thatreaction I don't know, I don't
think I haven't read that.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I haven't read notes where people worried about.
I thought it was a great reveal.

Speaker 4 (01:31:49):
I liked it I like, but I but I can see someone you
know.

Speaker 3 (01:31:53):
We live in a world where people have different
points of view and, you know,sometimes they will see
something that or they'll make atangential connection, whatever
, in a way that I, I personally,would.
So I was worried that you mightbe seeing that or saying
something like.

Speaker 4 (01:32:09):
I feel like it could have been handled in a way that
would not work as well.
But the fact that number one Deldidn't know that Wayne had been
doing that for years, that evenwhen he had been like looking
out for her, what he didn't dowas go to her house and say, oh,
by the way, I'm going to gobeat the shit out of this guy,
so you don't need to worry aboutyour mom's video, like he

(01:32:29):
didn't say that he didn this guy, so you don't need to worry
about your mom's video, like hedidn't say that he didn't let
her know at all.
It's probably a little bitweird that he, you know,
followed her to wherever it wasthat the blackmailer blackmailed
her.
Also, I'm going to say thatteenagers do stupid shit,
especially when they're in love.
I'm not I'm not forgiving someof the more severe shit, but I
also know like, yeah, did myfriends and I drive past our

(01:32:52):
crush's houses, like with each?
Were they like, hey, we'regonna drive past?
Oh, fuck, why can't I think ofa single one of my friends
crushes?
for myself, it's unimportant nowright but like, yeah, I think I
think you kind of do weirdthings.
I think you're trying to figureit out.
I think he's keeping arespectful distance.
He never tells her what he isdoing.

Speaker 3 (01:33:14):
No, he never really tries to get credit for it.
He never makes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
That's the thing about white knighting is that
people are like oh well, if youdo anything nice for a woman,
it's because you're whiteknighting.
No, you can do nice things forwomen.
You could do nice things forother people.
You can do nice things and evenmake sure that they know that
you did them.
What you can't do is say ohwell, I stood up to that bad guy
for you, you should sleep withme.
Now that like white knightinghas become ubiquitous to the

(01:33:39):
point of not being usefulanymore.
It is very specifically saying Iam going to stand up to you, to
these other men, so you like mebetter than them and then do
sex stuff with me.

Speaker 3 (01:33:50):
Yeah, it makes it feel transactional.
This was just like and I didn'tget the weirdly.
Uh, juliana and I talked a lotabout this because I was trying
to prep for this, this episode,um, but she's like do you have
the sense that he is?
I, I thought they framed it ina way where he's like a you know
, like a like the equalizer orsomething like in this

(01:34:10):
neighborhood.
He watches, watched.
It's not just her.
He keeps an eye on things andhe knows what's right and wrong,
and not that he's out therewriting every wrong, but, but
but if it comes across him yeah.
Yeah, so that's.
That's the way I write it.

Speaker 4 (01:34:25):
One other brief thing .
But if she had not shown up athis house selling cookies, he
would have left town and neverbothered her again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:33):
Exactly yes, great point Right, it was just she
just showed up on his.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
I think especially the God bless him, mark McKenna,
pulling off that look of like ajust sort of I want to say
bemused, but now I can neverremember if bemused actually
means that or if it means theopposite.

Speaker 3 (01:34:53):
No, no, that's exactly right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
He's just like oh hey , look at this.

Speaker 4 (01:34:58):
Yeah, hey, this is novel.
I'm super into how this goes.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Now I want to twist the knife a little bit.
You ready, not for you, but Ijust want to put a memory in
your mind, you, but I just wantto put a memory in your mind,
bobby.
When he found out she had thismoney, he yelled at her and he
took the money, and he had doneit before and that made her life

(01:35:24):
harder.
Now she had to figure outanother way to pay the
blackmailers.
Yep, you know what I'm saying.
Like now, yeah, the plot, itmakes the plot thicken so much
because we're like, why is sheselling cookies?
And we both thought, we allthought, with coach too.
We're like, oh, she's a superscrappy, she's just looking out
for herself, she's really.
But now we know, like, oh,there was a reason.

(01:35:45):
She had to, right, go out andgo door to door and have people
try to whatever see your feet orwhatever the hell.
Like she's putting herself inthese dangerous situations
literally to protect her mom andyeah, and I'm not sure.

Speaker 4 (01:36:02):
I don't know how exactly the timeline works.
I was trying to check about thehair, like just what dell's
hair was like, because when shewas younger no bangs, longer
hair, a little more child like,yeah.
So I can't tell from theblackmail video if this is
before her mom died I think itis I think it's so.

(01:36:23):
I think the video was beforeher mom died, so I don't know if
that was when she was sellingcookies look at her hair in the
video.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
Her hair is long.
Right, I'm going, I'm reviewingit.

Speaker 4 (01:36:32):
She looks like before yeah, she looks like a little
kid, but does that mean thatthen the blackmail had stopped
by the time she had come up withthe cookie scheme?
I don't know.
What I do know is that she feltlike she couldn't go to her
parents for this right no, shecouldn't go to her parents and
say like, hey, mom fucked up andwe need to take care of this.

(01:36:53):
So, like I think that whatyou're saying about bobby taking
the money from her actuallyworks, even if it wasn't exactly
for the blackmail right justbecause he couldn't protect her
from the things that he shouldhave and he wasn't allowing her
to make her life better byletting her fucking sell the

(01:37:15):
cookies.
The fuck, do you care, bobby?
You're not giving her any shit.
Anyway.
You're gonna prevent her fromalso taking care of herself and
your wife and your wife'sreputation no it's yeah, that
just makes it worse.

Speaker 3 (01:37:28):
So, uh, dell's dell gets really emotional and she
takes off right and it goesright by tommy cole.
And what happens there?
What does he say?

Speaker 4 (01:37:38):
uh, tommy cole says what did you do?
And orlando said I didn't doshit.
Well, that's not true, thatorlando, that isn't true.
Like he, she didn't.
He didn't do shit.
But even he had to know thattelling dell that she is both
cookies and blackmail would dosomething for her, would change
the calculus for her yeah thereis no fucking way.

(01:38:02):
After she found out that shewas cookies and blackmail that
she was going to be leavingwithout way I thought that was a
cool way to get her back intothe wayne.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
Like she's like oh my god, like, and also I don't
know that arlano doesn't knowthat he did like, he doesn't
think he did shit, but himrealizing it out loud, may, it
was a big deal for her.
It was like hit her really,really hard, but I think he was
just put piecing it on his own.
Okay, so now we cut back to ashot single of Wayne and the

(01:38:35):
fight has started and it's likeGeller's in the praying mantis
sort of thing, with his handsout in front of him, wrists limp
, sort of like in a reactionaryvery, very.
He's nimble, whereas Calvin'slike a big.
It's almost like the If anyoneever saw the sword fight in Rob

(01:38:56):
Roy, where Liam Neeson was RobRoy and Tim Roth was his
opponent.
I forget the guy's name, but TimRoth had a rapier.
Do you ever see this scene?
You know what I'm going to find?
I'm sure Rob Roy is ancient.
No one sure rob roy's ancient.
No one's seen this movie.
It's probably 20 years old orso.
Um, but it was a.
It was a spectacular sword fight.

(01:39:17):
I mean one of my favorite, oneof the best all time, like you
think of like princess bride,like you think of like the best
sword fights, like legitimatesword fights you ever seen.
This one was.
It's like it's like a textbookfight.
One of them has a um, has a,has a heavy broadsword like a
two-handing, two-handerbroadsword, and one of them has

(01:39:37):
a little rapier that's like aneedle, and you're like, oh, I
know who's gonna win.
You know what I mean.
And then you see you just theyshow you.
Okay, now that's why that's howyou fight a broadsword with a
rapier.
It's like absolutely masterful.
And so it has that element.
I'm going to post it on thecommunity site.
I'm sure it's on YouTube, butif I always forget to do it for

(01:40:02):
like two days, so if anyone's ina hurry when they see this,
just look up the sword fightbetween Tim Roth and Liam Neeson
in Rob Roy, the film Rob Roy,and so they're circling each
other.
There's a lot of kicking fromGeller.
It's straight punching.
It's just straight fisticuffsfrom Calvin, but Geller's

(01:40:22):
wearing him down.
When Calvin lands a punch, helands it, and I like that.
It wasn't like oh, geller, yeah, geller has done all these.
But it's and I like that itwasn't like oh, geller, yeah,
geller has done all these um,but it's like if you've been in
a fight or if you've scrappedwhatever.
It's not like it is in themovie, it's just it's usually

(01:40:44):
really messy and and punchesland, but they don't always land
like you don't always hitperfectly with your knuckles,
sometimes your fingers getwhacked, sometimes your knee
bends a little.
There's all kinds of things.
It's just messier.
Everything in life fights aremessier, and with someone who's
I don't think Calvin has avoidedscraps his whole life, so he

(01:41:07):
knows how to throw a punch.
And the thing I really likedabout it is that Geller knows
how to throw a punch, and thething I really liked about is
that geller knows how to take apunch, so he absorbs these hits.
Um, there there's this uh, Iforget his name.
There's several trainers do itnow, but um, in the nfl there
are these special trainers thatshow they're all judo based, so
or taekwondo based, and so it's.

(01:41:28):
These concepts are about likepushing and pulling, using force
against your opponent, thingslike that.
And when an NFL quarterbackgets tackled if you get a
quarterback we've talked aboutmany times.
Anyone who listens to the showcoach and I will tell you there
are 32 NFL teams.
There are about 12 really goodquarterbacks.
That's about it.

(01:41:49):
Maybe 15 on a a good year, 20.
Which means there's 12 schmuckswho are never going to win
anything and they always playfor the Bears Not this year.
I don't know if you know that.
No, no, this year they have thenumber one overall pick.

Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
They are loaded for Bears, that part doesn't matter.
This year it might.
We could have gotten thegreatest quarterback who's ever
lived and we would somehow fuckit up.

Speaker 3 (01:42:16):
Listen, the bears, the bears are.
So they're such a weird teamthat they gave the Steelers two
years ago they was Steelers asecond round pick for a guy who
was a joke like a receiver.
That was a joke.
And so you're like, oh, they'resuch schmucks.
And then this year they gotlike one of the best hall of
fame wide receiver from thechargers for like a sixth round

(01:42:39):
pick.
I was like why wouldn't anyother team give somebody a
fourth round pick or a third?
The guy's so good, he's nevernot good, he's absolutely
amazing.
His name's keenan allen.
And so now they have this youngquarterback, the, the top
overall pick, the best player tocome out, they say in three or
four years.
He's their quarterback for theBears.
They also got like one of thebest receivers.
They also got this veteranreceiver they traded for.

(01:43:00):
So they really I know you sayit's not going to matter, but
maybe, well, you never know.
Things are cyclical in thesporting world.

Speaker 4 (01:43:14):
I will cyclical in in in the sporting world.
I will allow the white socks toget my hopes up, but I'm not.
The bears know.
When, the, when, the, when thesuper bowl parade is complete, I
will believe that they couldwin the super bowl that year.
Until then, absolutely not okay, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (01:43:25):
I don't, I don't, I would never, never want you to
get your hopes up in a way thatmight come crashing down.
So anyway, the point aboutquarterbacks was that you learn
how to take these hits, becauseeven a crappy quarterback, if
you fall and then the defensivelineman or whoever's hitting you

(01:43:45):
linebacker, defense, whoever'ssacking you falls on top of you,
it can compress things in yourbody.
Events, whoever's sacking youfalls on top of you, it can
compress things in your body.
But if you learn how to likesort of untense your body and
like let it sort of absorb thehit, they've shown that it's uh,
much better.
And teams that havequarterbacks that are uh upright
tend to uh tend to do better,um, and uninjured.

(01:44:05):
So I noticed this becausegeller, when Calvin hits him,
and he hits him several timeswhile we're watching, geller's
whole torso contorts with thehit.
You see that he gets hit onthis last frame here, boss, and
he's basically out of the shot.
He is bent over so much fromthe hit, absorbing this headshot

(01:44:29):
, that he almost leaves theentire frame of the of actually
does.
There's a tiny, there's acouple frames there where
there's nothing in frame becausehe's hit so hard and he absorbs
it that he goes out of frame.
Um, it's beautifully backlit.
We get a lot of silhouette sortof uh things here and I don't

(01:44:51):
know how to decide.
It's so interesting.
It's almost like, um, I don'tknow the style of martial arts
that uh, it's, it's a little.
It's got a little drunkenboxing feel to it.
It's got some like there's apoint where, um, he hits calvin
in the throat to sort of dazehim uh, geller does, and then he

(01:45:11):
climbs up.
Calvin is like tottering back alittle bit and geller climbs up
onto his body, like standing oncalvin's thighs, and then hits
him, uh like on the top of thehead with his elbow, like just
an elbow drop straight down,like on the soft part of you

(01:45:32):
know, for whatever, not not thesoftest part, but elbow directly
to the skull.
I'm sure that's uh, you knowthat's not what you want the
middle of a fight no it.

Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
It felt like, uh, calvin was trying to brute force
it and, because he needs to,galler was going for very
specific pain, pressure points.
So, yeah, you knock his fuckingwindpipe out and then it
doesn't matter how much he couldhit you, because he cannot
breathe and whatever that is onthe top of the head, like your

(01:46:03):
skull, is not a good place totry to hurt somebody.
That fucking helmet you've gotriding around up there is
intended to keep your brain safe, but you could possibly, you
know, make them see stars orsomething if you get them in the
right angle yeah, and you'regonna.

Speaker 3 (01:46:19):
You're gonna cause blood flow to the brain.
You're gonna cause expansion.
Yeah, there's swelling, there'sa lot, there's a lot cooking
here.
Uh, geller is now moving, takesanother hit.
Wayne is watching intently.
They'll do shots of waynewatching.
And geller is like, moving,takes another hit.
Wayne is watching intently.
They'll do shots of Waynewatching.
And Geller is like he can get,he can kick.
You know he can do multiplekicks from what he's doing.

(01:46:39):
And then, stupidly, calvin goesin for a kick and Geller
catches the leg and brings hiselbow down on Calvin's, like
right on his thigh and likeright you know another elbow,
like there's a lot of elbowdrops.
I'm noticing.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
Well, yeah, and that's the point of fighting in
this way is that you.
Calvin is not comfortable doingthis, so gallery is comfortable
with how Calvin will hit him.
He knows how to handle that.
Calvin doesn't know what thefuck to do with this guy, cause
he won't just stand there andtake a punch and he's not trying
to punch back, like part of thestrategy here is to throw them

(01:47:20):
off.
So that why the fuck are youkicking Calvin?
Do you think you can get yourleg up that high?
You can't.
You can't do it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:26):
Well, it's hard to kick somebody and you're not
trained for it.
I I remember I was yes, it'strue, and you're exactly right,
boss.
Um calvin is um, he's fightinglike you're in a bar room or
like in a.
There's a thing about there'sthis presupposition where you

(01:47:46):
fight, where it's like it'sgoing to end quickly or it's
going to get broken up.
I, I had a friend who was alike a division one wrestler and
we were on a beach one time andand he was a lot older than me.
He was like a mentor, he's likea guy I really looked up to, a
few years older than me, and Iremember some guys that came
after him or whatever, just kindof causing trouble, and it was

(01:48:10):
like at a bonfire on a beach andit was one in the morning or
something, and these guys wereabout to start something and he
said listen, listen, whoa, whoa,whoa, whoa, whoa.
I know you think this is a goodidea, but it's not a good idea.
And just let me tell you why.
Before you throw a punch, I'mgoing to wrap you up and I'm not
going to fight you.

(01:48:30):
I'm not going to fight you, I'mnot going to throw a punch, I'm
not going to hurt my fingers,I'm like a Olympic caliber
wrestler and I'm just going towrap you up and once I have you
wrapped up, you will not be ableto get out and nobody is going
to break this up.
No one's going to run in, thecavalry is not going to come and
there's no cops anywhere.
There's no, whatever, no, youand there's no cops anywhere.

(01:48:50):
There's no, whatever, no, youknow, nobody's gonna break this
up and I'm gonna hold you untilyour till, your windpipe gives
it.
Till I, till I squeeze you andput you to sleep, and if you
want that to happen in front ofeverybody, then okay, like I.
But I really don't want to.
I don't even know you man.
Like I don't want to fight orwhatever, and it was good enough
that they.
They were like, okay, well,fuck you, that you know they

(01:49:12):
backed off.
But calvin is fighting in thatway where he's like someone's
gonna come break it up.
It's a bar and brawl.
They usually last seconds, twominutes at the most, before
someone breaks it up.
Cops run in bouncers.
Stop it.
You know somebody.
Yeah, you know or it's one punchand then they're out, right?

Speaker 4 (01:49:32):
oh yeah, if you hit like calvin, sure yeah, but he
no, he is not built for stamina.
This is, uh you.
You said rob roy, this is umthe mountain and the viper from
game of thrones, right, yes, heis not built for this kind of
fighting, calvin, excellentexcellent.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
Another great, yeah, the Mountain and the Viper is a
good.
It's a very good point.
It's so funny though In thisfight.
Oh, he does another God, somany.
That's his orbital bone.
I didn't notice.
Geller gets back up on top ofCalvin and Calvin is trying to
like figure out what he's doing,like he's got his, just as a to

(01:50:10):
give people an understanding,geller's belt, like his, his
waist, is in front of calvin'snose, like it.
You know, it's basically likehe's got his legs over calvin's
shoulders almost.
And then he does a series ofelbow drops right into calvin's
orbital bone, like the bonesurrounding your eye it's

(01:50:32):
Calvin's left eye and then hegets Calvin's arm, like up by
his torso and he locks it's likea figure four leg lock.
Basically he locks his legsbehind Calvin's this is so nuts,
it's behind Calvin's head andslowly, slowly, pulls himself

(01:50:55):
all the way back.
He can't fall back becauseCalvin is strong and Calvin is
holding him up as they kind ofgo down to the ground locks his
ankles again and brings Calvindown and just cuts off the blood
flow to Calvin's head andCalvin fights it and you can see

(01:51:16):
Gellar is sort of um strugglingto put the final, like the
kibosh on.
You know, calvin is likearching his back trying to break
free, and then that's when whathappens, boss?

Speaker 4 (01:51:31):
that is when wayne reaches out with the one foot
that can barely reach and pushescalvin's head all the way down
into the pan of whatever that isthat'd be motor oil when you
there you go.
That seems like.
It seems like that would besomething you change a change in
the change oil in your car.

Speaker 3 (01:51:48):
It's just there's all these pans that catch the motor
oil, and that that's what thatis.
It puts its face into the motoroil and that's enough to knock
Calvin out.
Calvin's blood flow is cut offto his brain and he goes to
sleep, like what my friend wastalking about.

Speaker 4 (01:52:02):
Yeah, and the thing about fighting in this way
because I have a lot offamiliarity with fistfights,
obviously, but it is that Gellerclimbed up on top of Calvin.
Calvin then either needed tostand up and support Geller's
entire weight.
Geller might only weigh half asmuch as Calvin does, but all of

(01:52:23):
a sudden you're walking aroundwith 50% more body weight and
trying to kick and not fall down, because as soon as he falls
down, calvin's fucked.
Kick and not fall down, becauseas soon as he falls down,
calvin's fucked.
So you gotta, doesn't matterhow much galler weighs if galler
can climb up on top of hisshoulders and use it against him
and also, if you're that close,you can't wind up for a good
hit like there's no, you have nopower.

Speaker 3 (01:52:42):
When somebody's like it like literally smashed up
against you, what do you have?
You got headbutt him, great,but you can't get his head free.
It was really clever.
I mean, I don't know who thestunt coordinator was.
We should look that up.
But this, this was a hell of agood.
Let me look it up while we'rehere this was I.

Speaker 4 (01:52:58):
I will fully admit that I have, you know, checked
the reddit boards on some of theswain stuff and the fight.
This fight was one of thethings that people talked about
more often than anything elselike this was something that
people really you.
I think you could find it likea clip of it on youtube.
I would recommend just watchingthat.

(01:53:18):
Unless you have an aversion toviolence, then don't do it.
But it's still.
It's kind of violent.

Speaker 1 (01:53:23):
There's no blood, it's it's not like it's not
graphic, it's not gory, it's notlike someone tearing.

Speaker 3 (01:53:29):
You know you're more, you're more graphic.
Uh, scene is in like PatrickSwayze's roadhouse has more, but
you know what I mean.
This is yeah, this is, yeah,exactly.
This is just, this is just um.
You know really good technique.
Neil Davison is the stuntcoordinator, um is the stunt
coordinator, um for 10 episodesand um, good, good for him,

(01:53:52):
because this is real good.
This is like no joke.
And you're right, people, thisis something that's memorable
for people.
So, uh, geller gets up, he saysthanks to wayne, like, pulls
the gag out of his mouth andjust says thanks, like which I
was, like that's I that?
And he's breathing heavy and hesays to Wayne I gave you a

(01:54:13):
second chance.
You won't get a third.
You're under arrest.

Speaker 4 (01:54:23):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
That's got to feel like vindication for you,
because if that's me, I wouldsay I wasn't going to give you
another chance, but you helpedme.
So we good Like I would havebeen like, hey, you get a third
chance because of what you justdid and because I see your
situation and I all see thebetter.
But I really I thought you, youpersonally, would be like hot
damn, hold onto those boundaries.

Speaker 4 (01:54:52):
You Damn, Hold on to those boundaries, you won't get
a third.
You won't get a third.
I think not.
Yes, number one.
He said I'm here, I want togive you a second chance.
I want to bring you home.
I want to figure this out.
I think part of the you'reunder arrest, you're not getting
a third chance was one.
Yes, this is his code.
Geller has as much of a code aswayne does and geller's code is

(01:55:13):
I gave you one chance I am notgiving you.
You you're not getting thesecond one.
The other thing is this is wayabove his fucking pay grade,
above geller's pay grade oh mygod like it was one thing when
he thought that he was goingafter a couple of runaway
teenagers or maybe this guy had.
I don't think he ever believedthat Wayne kidnapped Dell, but

(01:55:33):
he thought I'm going to find,you know, I should be a truant
officer right now, finding thesekids who were running away from
school and chasing him all theway down the Eastern seaboard,
getting to Florida and realizingat the end of this the place
that you were coming to is ameth compound where your
stepfather was trying to murderyou.

(01:55:54):
So I can't.
I need to put you under arrestfor your protection more than
anybody else, because onceyou're in the system, at least
we can figure out what to dowith you.
But what he's supposed to bringhim back to Brockton and let
him live in the burned downhouse where his dead dad was
like.
At this point I think it's moreout of necessity than anything
else.
I think it is what he would do,but it's fucking necessity I

(01:56:16):
love that take.

Speaker 3 (01:56:17):
uh, one of the things I want to say is you remember
when we first met geller withlike you and coach I don't know
if you definitely coach was likewho is this horse's ass?
Oh yeah, his service revolverwas, just like you know, sitting
on the shelf and the you knowthe boy, the stupid twins.

Speaker 4 (01:56:34):
He had his hands down his pants.

Speaker 3 (01:56:36):
Yeah, he had his hands down his pants.
That's how we met him and we'relike is he just delusional?
Like he's not listening topeople, you know?
And then that's where the sortof second chances concept comes
from.
But now Wayne's under arrest,so the show's over right.
Like comes from but now Wayne'sunder arrest, so the show's
over, right, we don't need atenth episode because Wayne's
under arrest right?

Speaker 4 (01:56:53):
Well, we're going to have to find out how things are
tied up.
Is Lucky actually Lucky?
Also, we get the slow-mo walkof Adele on a fucking mission.
So no, things are not finishedyet.

Speaker 3 (01:57:08):
It's so funny I really want, when I see how many
beauty shots there are of ciara, bravo.
I.
Sometimes I'm like I wish thisthing was called what I was
called dell, because there's somany moments it could have
easily been.
You know what I mean?
Because she, whatever it,whatever it's, just, it's, it's

(01:57:30):
captivating.
Um, and then we of course, cutto the wayne splash screen and
um, and that, that does it.
That does it for episode nine.
Thought we was friends.
It is, uh, it's a realhumdinger boss.

Speaker 4 (01:57:46):
It's a lot.
There's a lot to it.
That's why it takes fourepisodes.
It's funny it it takes fourepisodes.

Speaker 3 (01:57:52):
It's funny.
It's funny how this happened tous with Ted Lasso.
When it got to the end, it justwas thick.
There's so much cumulativestuff to talk about, and that's
what makes for a great show withthe Wayne finale.
I mean it is Chapter 10,entitled Buckle the F Up, as you

(01:58:22):
might imagine, and it will bethe all there is of Wayne.
Coach Bishop will be with usnext time.
Any final thoughts, boss,before we bid adieu to to
everyone.

Speaker 4 (01:58:35):
I'm actually a little surprised that they called it
buckle the F up instead of justbuckle the fuck up.
I don't know, Maybe that was.
Maybe YouTube decided that wastoo much.

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Yeah, it was a YouTube right.
It was.
It was the YouTube red yearsand so maybe it was the YouTube
Red years and so maybe, I don'tknow, with Google searches and
things, they just dock you sohard If you have especially the
F word in the title of any blogposts or anything.
So I'm sure that's.
I'm guessing that's what it was.
It's fucking stupid.

(01:59:06):
Yeah, we come back with Wayneunder arrest and it's exciting,
it's exciting, it's exciting.
All right, boss, where dopeople find you if they want to
find?

Speaker 4 (01:59:16):
you Still on threads, which is emilychambers.31.
Also at Blue Sky, which isdumbly underscore chambers, and
writing for the antagonist, orat least popping back into the
Slack more often so I could getinto the rhythm of writing again
.
But that is antagonistblogcom.

Speaker 3 (01:59:43):
Thank you, boss.
As I said, coach will be withus next time.
I am going to talk to him againabout doing a follow up to the
rap battle.
I would like to have a secondrap battle conversation.
Rap battle I wanted.
I would like to have a seconduh, rap battle conversation,
mostly because I was veryinvested in the virtue versus
vice directional sort oftrajectory of rap.

(02:00:03):
Um, and on a personal level,where I felt like the genre lost
me a little bit um and um and Iwanted to talk to him about,
conceptually, I find myself sodetached so I'm able to listen

(02:00:29):
to the songs and appreciate thequality of the music and even
the quality of the lyricism thatgoes into the insults and
things.
Uh, whereas I have lessconnectivity or less
understanding of the nature ofthe like coach would say oh, rap
has always been about fightingor about one-upping people or
about and I I so don't relate tothat and I'd like to hear more
about it.
Um, you know, ever since Iremember god the earliest
possible rap and it was alwayslike I.

(02:00:49):
Uh.
You know, ever since I rememberGod the earliest possible rap
and it was always like I.
Uh.
You know our earliest hip hop Iremember would be like you know
, I'm the greatest and I'mbetter than everybody else and
I'm like what, like what?
And coach and I've talked aboutthis so many times uh, from a
cultural perspective, where, um,you can have a group of people
who celebrate like a end zone,dance right, and they'd be like,

(02:01:10):
oh, that's awesome, like yeah,shove it in their face or
whatever right.
And then you have people like mewho say the line act like
you've been there before.
I don't know if you've heardthat.
Have I said that to you before?
Boss, just act like you've beenthere before.
Yes, I like it when you score agame difference.

(02:01:38):
Such an interesting, you know,concept.
That's how it plays out insports, but how it plays out in
hip-hop is also, um, it's just,I just want to know more about
it because I think it'sfascinating.
And I think coach has a realline on something and is able to
frame it in a way especiallywith some pop philosophy or at
least layman level philosophyfrom me as a listener he's able

(02:02:01):
to, as a student of philosophy,sort of encapsulate the concepts
in a way that makes it muchmore understandable.
So I'm going to try to convincehim to do that concepts in a
way that makes it much moreunderstandable.
So I'm going to try to convincehim to do that, but we will be
back for sure with Wayne.
Episode 10, season one.
Episode 10, buckle the fuck up,buckle the F up and please

(02:02:22):
support your local libraries.
In the written word raisebetter boys.

Speaker 4 (02:02:30):
And until next time we are Richmond till we get
killed by Officer Geller.

Speaker 3 (02:02:37):
I mean, you just didn't see it coming, Never,
Nick, when the dumbass Lucchettitwins were playing with his gun
.
You're like this guy's a whatis he?

Speaker 4 (02:02:45):
He's a wiring motherfucker.

Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
It was just really good.
Yeah, let's see if we can findit.
We'll post the uh, the fight onthe community site, but if we,
if we're unable to find her or,for you know, takes a couple
days, please go, please go lookor, ideally, watch the show.
It really is worth watching.
All right, thanks everybody.
We will, uh, we'll be back withcoach and we will see you next
time.

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