The Tension of Independence and Influence

What do we gain—and what do we give up—when we chase independence or influence? In this episode, Travis sits down with Lincoln Rock, Vice President at 49 Financial and a standout Gen Z leader, to unpack one of life’s most formative tensions. From navigating early parenthood and supporting a spouse in med school, to choosing an uncomfortable job path in pursuit of long-term impact, Lincoln offers a raw and insightful take on what it means to build a life of purpose.

Together, they explore how independence can look like autonomy—or comfort—and how true influence often demands self-sacrifice. With stories of his parents' choices, his own career journey, and wisdom from mentors and his wife, Emily, Lincoln brings clarity to the push-pull between freedom and responsibility.

If you’ve ever wrestled with choosing the harder path, this conversation will remind you why it just might be worth it.