September 14, 2025 • 28 mins
This podcast episode critically examines the Jeffrey Epstein case, focusing on the complexities surrounding legality, morality, and the claims of victims. It argues that many women involved with Epstein were not lured but engaged willingly for promised rewards. The episode questions why Epstein’s story remains significant in the media despite his prosecution and death. It contrasts media portrayals of Epstein’s victims with the exploitation faced by inner-city boys, highlighting discrepancies in legal and societal responses. Additionally, it critiques how the media and societal narratives selectively consider victims' stories and criminalize behavior based on age and location-specific consent laws.
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The Tenth Man (00:00):
Jeffrey Epstein was a predator.
women, were not lured.
They were told they wouldreceive things from Jeffrey
Epstein and they did receivethose things.
the same thing was promised toblack kids in the city.
Young black boys who are bag menfor the numbers, Having sex with
a minor is not illegal.
It's immoral, but it's notillegal.
(00:20):
Why are we hearing about JeffreyEpstein now?
He was prosecuted twice.
He died in jail.
America didn't just condemnEpstein America, glorified the
people around him, they didn'thave to marry him, and he didn't
get them pregnant.
The real heroes are honest girlswho refuse to trade sex for
favors Old men paying 14 yearolds for massages.
(00:49):
Sick.
Because it's un-Christian.
why are we hearing about JeffreyEpstein now?
He was prosecuted twice.
He died in jail.
The segment of our society thatdoesn't believe in capital
punishment is somehow still notsatisfied that Epstein has paid
(01:10):
the ultimate price.
why are we hearing about him atall?
Is it because he had sex with aminor or minors?
Having sex with a minor is notillegal.
It's immoral, but it's notillegal.
It's only having sex with minorsunder a certain age is illegal
(01:35):
sometimes, and in some places,but not objectively so.
As a Christian, I believe whathe did was wrong.
Christians also believe it's asin to gamble.
They believe that abortion is asin stances on divorce,
homosexuality, tattoos, drugs,alcoholism.
(02:00):
I find most of those thingssinful, but the world doesn't
find hardly any sexual behaviorto be immoral.
So why this?
We say it's because he had sexwith people who were underage.
And when we say.
Underage.
What you have to understand isthat in most US states, and I
(02:22):
emphasize us because it's nottrue elsewhere, it's more
lenient, lax elsewhere, but mostUS states have ages of consent,
and some of those ages arerelatively high.
And that includes Florida wherehe lived.
But let's look at three of hismain victims, Anouska Di
(02:42):
Giorgio, Lisa Phillips and LizStein.
These women were not underageand they're some of the best
known representatives.
And as the last one, Liz Steinsaid this.
Liz Stein (02:57):
Not all of the survivors of Epstein and Maxwell
were underage.
Some of us were very, very youngwomen.
I think that that's somethingthat, um, is not out in the
public as much as the underagewomen.
There's much speculation as towhy the Epstein files are being
hidden, or actually they're notbeing hidden.
Hidden is a passive act there'smuch speculation as to why the
(03:21):
files not be revealed.
And I would like to suggest,sarcastically is because all of
these women were helplessly,lured and enticed.
So the main reason we're notreleasing the files is because
men like to lure and enticewomen.
The Tenth Man (03:39):
If men found out the secret words Epstein used
that
magically
caused these women to lay down
and to receive him, then
imagine all the orgies that might ensue.
You know, a fishing lure hasbright colors, it's shiny, it
has exotic movements and soundsthat attract a fish.
(04:02):
And it's a lure because it seemsto be food, but it's not food at
all.
It promises something good, butwhat lays in store for the fish
that strikes it is somethingbad.
That's what makes it a lure.
But these women, they were notlured.
(04:24):
They were told they wouldreceive things from Jeffrey
Epstein and in exchange for sexand companionship, although the
companionship significantly wentin both directions, and they did
receive those things.
So why do we say that they werelured or enticed?
They received exactly what theywere promised and they were not
(04:45):
misled.
The key accusation in thisscandal is that there was
supposedly, a veritable paradeof girls through the Florida
Mansion who were underage forthe state of Florida, but
there's never a clear cut caseof a girl from out of nowhere
(05:07):
being snatched and taken in.
There are girls like AnnieFarmer.
Annie Farmer (05:13):
My name is Annie Farmer and I was 16 years old
when I was blown to New Mexicoto spend a weekend with Epstein
and Maxwell.
Flown to New Mexico.
Was this a commercial flight?
Well, no.
So were you kidnapped And sinceall this is playing on the
(05:33):
technicality or the legalitythat she was underage, she was
not underage for New Mexico.
She might be underage in all ourminds, but in the eyes of the
law, she was not illegal for NewMexico.
Just saying.
(05:54):
Haley Robinson, or Robinson,she's another one who says, a
friend told her and there'salways a friend.
Another girl told her that shecould get$200 for giving an old
guy a massage.
I like how they keep saying anold guy.
We said it ourselves in theintroduction, but this whole old
(06:14):
guy thing, have you seen hispictures?
He was in his late forties,early fifties, a.
Good looking guy.
He wasn't some cadavers oldwreck.
So anyway, Haley Robson, herfriend, recruited her when she
was 16 and she carried on withhim for two years until she was
18.
(06:35):
And her complaint is that whenshe was arrested for procuring
as an adult, other girls, thatthe police treated her like a
criminal well.
We're going by the law.
She was a criminal, andmoreover, her mother knew about
(06:56):
this.
Did she know about what she wasdoing at age 16?
I don't know.
She should have, but her motherdid know in the end, and she
tells us that her psychiatristtells her to let go of the guilt
for the things that weren't herfault, not her fault.
Another girl is Marina Lacerda.
(07:18):
Now she's kind of part of theirroyalty because she has the
title of minor victim numberone, and she was only 14 when
she took up with, uh, Mr.
Epstein.
Again, she was brought to him bya girlfriend to be.
Sexually assaulted, we're gonnastart saying sexually assaulted,
(07:39):
because that's just the wordthat they use every time they
had relations they refer to asbeing assaulted.
So this girl went to him threetimes a week to be sexually
assaulted, and she brought herfriends.
(08:00):
She says today that she's angrybecause she dropped outta school
for this job, which paid hervery well, but she's angry
because it did not lead to alasting job with him.
She wanted to be one of hisassistants.
Another Ghislaine Maxwell, Shedidn't get that job, she says
because she was too old.
(08:20):
He rejected any girls older than17, except that he didn't.
He didn't.
She was an at will employee andshe was let go.
Now Lecerda is Brazilian.
She's a Brazilian immigrant, andshe says that, everything was
wonderful back in Brazil, butbecause of, because Epstein
(08:45):
refused to keep her on, she wastherefore denied the American
dream.
And ironically in her favoredBrazil, she was not underage.
At age 14 she would be allowedto, no.
Is that neither here nor there?
It might not be here, but it isthere.
(09:07):
And Erta like the girls, she hadalready been having sexual
assault with her mother'spartner before Epstein.
She called it abuse.
Let's call it abuse, butwhatever it was, it happened way
before Epstein.
It's hard not to convey anopinion in these matters.
(09:29):
I'm doing my best just to conveythe facts to you.
Let's go to Virginia Roberts.
She's another one of the, starwitnesses, or was unfortunately
she took her own life lastspring, she has a memoir coming
out in the fall and it's, beensubject to some controversy,
which her, family has beenopposing.
Parts of it which have beenchanged, her family.
(09:52):
Ironic.
Because Roberts went to work forEpstein, also because of abuse
at home, she became a regularpart of his entourage.
One reason for her fame is thatshe is the victim of sexual
assault.
She was assaulted by PrinceAndrew who had sex with her when
(10:14):
she was age 17.
However, she was part of theentourage.
She was having sexual assaultwith lots of people.
And as far as the legality,again, with the underage kids,
it seems like they're always a"Yeah, but what about because
she had sex with Prince Andrew,allegedly in London and.
(10:38):
She was old enough to have sexin London.
and the story of her home lifewas like most of these.
She had a horrible home lifebeing abused by family or people
around her.
And like many women in thissituation, she became desolate
and took her own life lastspring.
A victim of Epstein who exploither then, or of the media
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exploiting her.
Now you decide, but these girlsparading proudly and supposedly
bravely with therapists tellingthem to let go of their guilt
because they did nothing wrong.
I think one reason for the angstand the suicides, just an
(11:23):
observation and an opinion, isthat they'd be better off
accepting their guilt andforgiving themselves And her
memoirs coming out in the fall,as we said, but now her family,
family members are appearing onthe Capitol steps with all the
other survivors.
(11:45):
And who are these familymembers?
Hopefully they're not some ofthe ones the cause of the abuse,
but where were they when they,when she really needed them?
And of course we don't know theanswer to that and we don't
wanna speculate or castaspersions on them, but.
It is a darn good question.
So how were these young womenseduced, lured, enticed,
(12:07):
deceived.
Anushka did Georgio.
She's now a successful actress.
It seems like things worked outwell for.
That may not excuse badbehavior, but it might just
explain that she made a dealwith the devil and the devil
kept his side of the deal.
Now, she didn't give her age,but she met Epstein in London.
(12:31):
So just based on that, she's twoyears more likely to have been
old enough to consent than thegirls in Florida.
In fact, she said she was withepstein for a long time.
She said she visited Epsteinhomes and Islands a lot, flew
all over the world over manyyears and then says by the time
I was raped it was too late.
(12:54):
So it's always assault and rape.
And the assault spanned severalyears and locales.
And I'm not trying to besarcastic or mean, but sarcasm
is merited when they keep beingcalled brave because she says
that she did it becauseeverybody acted like it was
(13:16):
normal.
Those were her words.
There's Lisa Phillips.
Now we mentioned her beforealso, an adult.
She was working at him as amodel and was introduced by
another friend at age 21.
They were working in, the VirginIslands, and the friend said,
Hey, let's go over to JeffreyEpstein's Island.
(13:37):
It'll be fun.
So late that night after dinnerand after they'd had the
exciting introduction to PrinceAndrew, her friend woke her up
and said, we need to go giveJeffrey his massage.
Now, this is Lisa Phillipsversion of the story.
It might not be as complimentaryto Lisa if we heard another side
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of it, even the friend's side.
But even Lisa Phillips's side isnot that flattering to her.
So her friend tells her, we needto go give Jeffrey his massage.
Well, what massage?
I don't wanna give him amassage.
And the friend says, well, wekind of have to.
So again, there's a womanaccomplice.
So they gave Jeffrey hismassage, and while they were
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there, the two of them, asPhilip says, he assaulted them.
So Jeffrey Epstein assaulted twogrown women at once.
The friend was fine with it.
So was the friend on the payrollthen?
You have to wonder, and wonderis all we're doing here.
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So they were assaulted and thenafter that, Epstein called her.
She says she ignored him.
One might say that she gave himthe cold shoulder or played hard
to get.
Until he got her a modeling jobwith a top agency.
After that, this is LisaPhillips's story.
(15:06):
After that, she visited him andhis friends in the music
industry, in the film industry,and whenever she saw him, he
assaulted her and all theirfriends, all of his friends also
assaulted her.
She says she discovered that shehad been assaulted after Epstein
(15:26):
was arrested.
If you don't know the story in2019.
So now that she knows that shehas been assaulted and is that
she's now a victim and asurvivor, her words, she now has
a podcast about her experiences.
her discovery of her victimhoodlate in the game is not unique.
(15:50):
Because we also have Liz Steinwho took up with Epstein at age
21, and she had this to say,
Liz Stein (15:59):
You did not realize.
That you were trafficked untilJeffrey Epstein was arrested.
What was it that made yourealize that you two had
survived his trafficking?
When the reports started comingout, I was kind of in my, my
mind saying, but I wasn'ttrafficked.
I was their friend.
And the more that I learnedabout what trafficking looks
like, the more I was able tosay, that's exactly what
(16:22):
happened to me.
The Tenth Man (16:23):
So two of the most outspoken and vocal
survivors.
I did not know that they wereabused until after Epstein went
on trial in 2019.
Now she makes a living as, somekind of survivor's advocate or
counselor.
Now,
do you,
believe These stories?
(16:44):
We're supposed to believe thewoman I believe them.
Not sure I believe they'retelling everything that
happened, but I believe they'retelling what happened.
And yet all these women saidthey had no choice because if
they came out, whatever thatmeans, no one would believe
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them.
I wonder what they based thaton.
Everybody believes them.
I believe them.
The thing is, the storiesthey're telling are not
vindicating.
They're not validating.
And here's an uncomfortabletruth, that being a victim does
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not somehow make you honest.
The women could be exploited andstill lie.
So even if, if Epstein's girlswere victim, that doesn't make
every word, they utter gospelfar from it, and yet that's
exactly how the media treats it.
(17:47):
They have not ever really beenquestioned and without even
questioning, their stories stillstink.
And yet we're told believe allwomen, no matter the evidence,
and be careful ever dating anyof these women.
There was a woman named BrendaTracy.
She was a professional abusecounselor who sued the men on a
(18:10):
football team, a collegefootball team, and lost.
But now she set herself up as aprofessional abuse counselor.
She lost, and yet she's aprofessional abuse counselor.
Started dating Michigan Statefootball coach Mel Tucker.
I ended up suing the school forsexual abuse because he
(18:31):
allegedly abused her.
She's an abuse counselor, andyet she allows her boyfriend to
abuse her.
You have to wonder what wouldqualify these people to counsel
others.
These others, these, these othertwo.
Lisa and Liz, a tragic chapterin their life.
(18:52):
If anything, they probably wouldrelapse into the same patterns
like Tracy, the counselorbecoming the plaintiff.
One tragedy turns into apermanent line on the resume and
a line of expertise without anycredentials.
it is sad the low standards wehold women to now.
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We used to consider mothers whoraised a family to be heroes.
Then it became single mothers.
Now we've lowered the standardsso far that it's sex workers not
only are the heroes, we evenallow them to become experts and
life coaches.
It is okay to feel bad for thesewomen.
(19:34):
Their lives haven't been great,but like you'd feel bad for a
homeless person, for a heroinaddict.
They're in rough shape, but itdidn't all just happen to them.
And as far as the humantrafficking, that's what
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Epstein's being accused of andbeing tried for.
Trafficking that comes from theMAN act.
Federal law making it illegal totransport someone over state
lines for immoral purposes.
The thing is, we only use thatlaw when we feel like it.
There's a lot better examples ofwhen the man act is being
(20:17):
violated.
There's another good example, avery similar one, Brittany
Griner.
She was arrested in Russia forbringing in THC cartridges.
Our press treated her like shewas a hostage of Putin and maybe
she was.
Carrying marijuana or cannabisoil is not the worst thing in
(20:38):
the world, maybe, but carryingpot across borders, state lines,
violates our own federal law.
and what about the thousands ofkids transported into actual
human trafficking?
The girls we're talking aboutthey were already doing the
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deed, the assault.
The fact that they weretransported was kind of
incidental.
One was associated with theother.
But actual human traffickerstaking thousands of kids,
they're only moving these kidsone direction and for one
purpose to become sex workers.
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They aren't companions.
Because Epstein's women, theywere not quite prostitutes.
They were not quite girlfriends,but they were clearly something
in between.
Something way different fromtransporting thousands upon
thousands of kids across theborder heading towards cities
never to return, just so thatthey can perform sex work.
(21:46):
On strangers a bit different,wouldn't you say?
And minor number one, marinaLacerda.
She was doing assault threetimes a week at$300 a crack.
As a 14-year-old.
I'd like to talk to some realhuman trafficking victims and
see how they're doingfinancially.
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I don't envy this lifestyle.
But on the scale of prostitute,on the scale of sex workers,
ERDA was doing pretty well.
We should be asking her to paythe back income taxes on that
money.
And what about the doublestandard?
The women were paid and paidwell for sex.
Why weren't they paying Epstein?
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They were getting sex.
So how were they disadvantaged?
And what about all the modernprogressive standards of
morality?
Let's compare those to what washappening.
These women were whined anddined.
Betted and rewarded Thesevictims.
Survivors were flown to Africa.
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They got cash, comforts,prestige, attention, jobs,
there's all kinds of influencerson tiktoks saying, just have fun
and don't get married.
Don't make a man's lunch forhim.
Don't do his laundry.
All of these women, they didn'thave to marry him, and he didn't
(23:12):
get them pregnant.
He didn't abandon them.
He didn't leave them with anySTDs.
So what's really going on here?
Why is everybody so mad atEpstein?
There's the whole underagething, but that seems a little
bit flexible.
Is it just that everybody'sjealous of him?
The left finds ways to justifyall kinds of abberant behavior.
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But a long-term, mutuallybeneficial and biologically
natural relationship seems anodd one for them to attack.
Now, they say they're protectingyoung women.
Well, if you wanna protect theyoung, why not protect young
men?
Because there are some victimsof a far worse crisis.
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And I'm not approving Epstein orhis behavior.
It's just the complimentaryproblem with young men is far
worse.
We have a strange definition ofvictims and survivors, this
secret enticement, becauseactually there's nothing new
here.
There's no secret words.
Just promise them money,affection, attention.
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Which he gave to them and nowthey're treated like heroes.
When the real heroes are honestgirls who refuse to trade sex
for favors where are thosegirls?
The real heroes And as to thereal victims, they got the same
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thing these white girls got.
The same thing was promised toblack kids in the city.
Young black boys who are bag menfor the numbers, runners for the
drug dealers, same thing.
You promise them money, afamily, a pseudo family, and
attention.
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And you promise to them for thesame reasons because they're
young and innocent.
They have the samevulnerability.
But imagine them indicting theirgang leaders for exploiting
them.
Can you even imagine a bunch ofconvicts lining up in the
capitol steps, demandingjustice?
(25:22):
All those girls demandingjustice, that would mean they're
in jail too for breaking thelaw, but Glanine Maxwell.
He is the only woman in the gangof sex criminals who's being
prosecuted.
And there was only one man inthe gang.
The rest are all women.
The man in charge is dead, andthe woman that all the other
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women envied is in prison.
The black boys and the whitegirls have similar stories, but
yeah, I know all the girlsweren't white, but they were
acting white.
Similar stories, but the boyshad to work.
They didn't get to fly aroundthe world on Epstein's arm as
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eye candy, and there aren't justa few hundred of them, but the
biggest difference.
Is the world that they're beingsucked into involves true
criminal acts, things that areobjectively wrong.
We all might hate sex withunderage girls, but it's not
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objectively evil.
In the same way that drugs theftand murder arm things that are
evil all the time.
But there's no advocacy forinner city boys who make bad
choices, and yet I don't seethem blaming others for their
bad decisions And the one thingthey all have in common, the men
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and the women.
They were being exploited bytheir mentors back then, and
they're exploited by the medianow.
No one is truly on their side,and no one will just tell them
the truth.
So what's the motive behind allthis?
Publicity can't be justice.
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It's not reform.
Epstein might be useful toprotect living elites by
focusing only on him or usefulto media companies for ratings
and book sales.
He's certainly useful forcultural narratives that need
symbols more than they needfacts.
Was Epstein, objectively evil?
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I guess so.
But he's dead.
He died in prison.
So it looks like it's all just amedia show.
And it'll probably peter outuntil the next time.
Anyone can create a new story ofvictimhood.
Examine some obscure laws forloopholes in reverse, weaponize
(27:56):
them selectively, and the mediacan exploit Christian morality,
cafeteria style, picking, andchoosing instead of reporting
facts.
This is the 10th Man podcast.
Thanks for joining.
Jeffrey Epstein was a predator.
women, were not lured.
They were told they wouldreceive things from Jeffrey
Epstein and they did receivethose things.
the same thing was promised toblack kids in the city.
Young black boys who are bag menfor the numbers, Having sex with
a minor is not illegal.
It's immoral, but it's notillegal.
(00:20):
Why are we hearing about JeffreyEpstein now?
He was prosecuted twice.
He died in jail.
America didn't just condemnEpstein America, glorified the
people around him, they didn'thave to marry him, and he didn't
get them pregnant.
The real heroes are honest girlswho refuse to trade sex for
favors Old men paying 14 yearolds for massages.
(00:49):
Sick.
Because it's un-Christian.
why are we hearing about JeffreyEpstein now?
He was prosecuted twice.
He died in jail.
The segment of our society thatdoesn't believe in capital
punishment is somehow still notsatisfied that Epstein has paid
(01:10):
the ultimate price.
why are we hearing about him atall?
Is it because he had sex with aminor or minors?
Having sex with a minor is notillegal.
It's immoral, but it's notillegal.
It's only having sex with minorsunder a certain age is illegal
(01:35):
sometimes, and in some places,but not objectively so.
As a Christian, I believe whathe did was wrong.
Christians also believe it's asin to gamble.
They believe that abortion is asin stances on divorce,
homosexuality, tattoos, drugs,alcoholism.
(02:00):
I find most of those thingssinful, but the world doesn't
find hardly any sexual behaviorto be immoral.
So why this?
We say it's because he had sexwith people who were underage.
And when we say.
Underage.
What you have to understand isthat in most US states, and I
(02:22):
emphasize us because it's nottrue elsewhere, it's more
lenient, lax elsewhere, but mostUS states have ages of consent,
and some of those ages arerelatively high.
And that includes Florida wherehe lived.
But let's look at three of hismain victims, Anouska Di
(02:42):
Giorgio, Lisa Phillips and LizStein.
These women were not underageand they're some of the best
known representatives.
And as the last one, Liz Steinsaid this.
Liz Stein (02:57):
Not all of the survivors of Epstein and Maxwell
were underage.
Some of us were very, very youngwomen.
I think that that's somethingthat, um, is not out in the
public as much as the underagewomen.
There's much speculation as towhy the Epstein files are being
hidden, or actually they're notbeing hidden.
Hidden is a passive act there'smuch speculation as to why the
(03:21):
files not be revealed.
And I would like to suggest,sarcastically is because all of
these women were helplessly,lured and enticed.
So the main reason we're notreleasing the files is because
men like to lure and enticewomen.
The Tenth Man (03:39):
If men found out the secret words Epstein used
that
magically
caused these women to lay down
and to receive him, then
imagine all the orgies that might ensue.
You know, a fishing lure hasbright colors, it's shiny, it
has exotic movements and soundsthat attract a fish.
(04:02):
And it's a lure because it seemsto be food, but it's not food at
all.
It promises something good, butwhat lays in store for the fish
that strikes it is somethingbad.
That's what makes it a lure.
But these women, they were notlured.
(04:24):
They were told they wouldreceive things from Jeffrey
Epstein and in exchange for sexand companionship, although the
companionship significantly wentin both directions, and they did
receive those things.
So why do we say that they werelured or enticed?
They received exactly what theywere promised and they were not
(04:45):
misled.
The key accusation in thisscandal is that there was
supposedly, a veritable paradeof girls through the Florida
Mansion who were underage forthe state of Florida, but
there's never a clear cut caseof a girl from out of nowhere
(05:07):
being snatched and taken in.
There are girls like AnnieFarmer.
Annie Farmer (05:13):
My name is Annie Farmer and I was 16 years old
when I was blown to New Mexicoto spend a weekend with Epstein
and Maxwell.
Flown to New Mexico.
Was this a commercial flight?
Well, no.
So were you kidnapped And sinceall this is playing on the
(05:33):
technicality or the legalitythat she was underage, she was
not underage for New Mexico.
She might be underage in all ourminds, but in the eyes of the
law, she was not illegal for NewMexico.
Just saying.
(05:54):
Haley Robinson, or Robinson,she's another one who says, a
friend told her and there'salways a friend.
Another girl told her that shecould get$200 for giving an old
guy a massage.
I like how they keep saying anold guy.
We said it ourselves in theintroduction, but this whole old
(06:14):
guy thing, have you seen hispictures?
He was in his late forties,early fifties, a.
Good looking guy.
He wasn't some cadavers oldwreck.
So anyway, Haley Robson, herfriend, recruited her when she
was 16 and she carried on withhim for two years until she was
18.
(06:35):
And her complaint is that whenshe was arrested for procuring
as an adult, other girls, thatthe police treated her like a
criminal well.
We're going by the law.
She was a criminal, andmoreover, her mother knew about
(06:56):
this.
Did she know about what she wasdoing at age 16?
I don't know.
She should have, but her motherdid know in the end, and she
tells us that her psychiatristtells her to let go of the guilt
for the things that weren't herfault, not her fault.
Another girl is Marina Lacerda.
(07:18):
Now she's kind of part of theirroyalty because she has the
title of minor victim numberone, and she was only 14 when
she took up with, uh, Mr.
Epstein.
Again, she was brought to him bya girlfriend to be.
Sexually assaulted, we're gonnastart saying sexually assaulted,
(07:39):
because that's just the wordthat they use every time they
had relations they refer to asbeing assaulted.
So this girl went to him threetimes a week to be sexually
assaulted, and she brought herfriends.
(08:00):
She says today that she's angrybecause she dropped outta school
for this job, which paid hervery well, but she's angry
because it did not lead to alasting job with him.
She wanted to be one of hisassistants.
Another Ghislaine Maxwell, Shedidn't get that job, she says
because she was too old.
(08:20):
He rejected any girls older than17, except that he didn't.
He didn't.
She was an at will employee andshe was let go.
Now Lecerda is Brazilian.
She's a Brazilian immigrant, andshe says that, everything was
wonderful back in Brazil, butbecause of, because Epstein
(08:45):
refused to keep her on, she wastherefore denied the American
dream.
And ironically in her favoredBrazil, she was not underage.
At age 14 she would be allowedto, no.
Is that neither here nor there?
It might not be here, but it isthere.
(09:07):
And Erta like the girls, she hadalready been having sexual
assault with her mother'spartner before Epstein.
She called it abuse.
Let's call it abuse, butwhatever it was, it happened way
before Epstein.
It's hard not to convey anopinion in these matters.
(09:29):
I'm doing my best just to conveythe facts to you.
Let's go to Virginia Roberts.
She's another one of the, starwitnesses, or was unfortunately
she took her own life lastspring, she has a memoir coming
out in the fall and it's, beensubject to some controversy,
which her, family has beenopposing.
Parts of it which have beenchanged, her family.
(09:52):
Ironic.
Because Roberts went to work forEpstein, also because of abuse
at home, she became a regularpart of his entourage.
One reason for her fame is thatshe is the victim of sexual
assault.
She was assaulted by PrinceAndrew who had sex with her when
(10:14):
she was age 17.
However, she was part of theentourage.
She was having sexual assaultwith lots of people.
And as far as the legality,again, with the underage kids,
it seems like they're always a"Yeah, but what about because
she had sex with Prince Andrew,allegedly in London and.
(10:38):
She was old enough to have sexin London.
and the story of her home lifewas like most of these.
She had a horrible home lifebeing abused by family or people
around her.
And like many women in thissituation, she became desolate
and took her own life lastspring.
A victim of Epstein who exploither then, or of the media
(11:03):
exploiting her.
Now you decide, but these girlsparading proudly and supposedly
bravely with therapists tellingthem to let go of their guilt
because they did nothing wrong.
I think one reason for the angstand the suicides, just an
(11:23):
observation and an opinion, isthat they'd be better off
accepting their guilt andforgiving themselves And her
memoirs coming out in the fall,as we said, but now her family,
family members are appearing onthe Capitol steps with all the
other survivors.
(11:45):
And who are these familymembers?
Hopefully they're not some ofthe ones the cause of the abuse,
but where were they when they,when she really needed them?
And of course we don't know theanswer to that and we don't
wanna speculate or castaspersions on them, but.
It is a darn good question.
So how were these young womenseduced, lured, enticed,
(12:07):
deceived.
Anushka did Georgio.
She's now a successful actress.
It seems like things worked outwell for.
That may not excuse badbehavior, but it might just
explain that she made a dealwith the devil and the devil
kept his side of the deal.
Now, she didn't give her age,but she met Epstein in London.
(12:31):
So just based on that, she's twoyears more likely to have been
old enough to consent than thegirls in Florida.
In fact, she said she was withepstein for a long time.
She said she visited Epsteinhomes and Islands a lot, flew
all over the world over manyyears and then says by the time
I was raped it was too late.
(12:54):
So it's always assault and rape.
And the assault spanned severalyears and locales.
And I'm not trying to besarcastic or mean, but sarcasm
is merited when they keep beingcalled brave because she says
that she did it becauseeverybody acted like it was
(13:16):
normal.
Those were her words.
There's Lisa Phillips.
Now we mentioned her beforealso, an adult.
She was working at him as amodel and was introduced by
another friend at age 21.
They were working in, the VirginIslands, and the friend said,
Hey, let's go over to JeffreyEpstein's Island.
(13:37):
It'll be fun.
So late that night after dinnerand after they'd had the
exciting introduction to PrinceAndrew, her friend woke her up
and said, we need to go giveJeffrey his massage.
Now, this is Lisa Phillipsversion of the story.
It might not be as complimentaryto Lisa if we heard another side
(13:57):
of it, even the friend's side.
But even Lisa Phillips's side isnot that flattering to her.
So her friend tells her, we needto go give Jeffrey his massage.
Well, what massage?
I don't wanna give him amassage.
And the friend says, well, wekind of have to.
So again, there's a womanaccomplice.
So they gave Jeffrey hismassage, and while they were
(14:22):
there, the two of them, asPhilip says, he assaulted them.
So Jeffrey Epstein assaulted twogrown women at once.
The friend was fine with it.
So was the friend on the payrollthen?
You have to wonder, and wonderis all we're doing here.
(14:44):
So they were assaulted and thenafter that, Epstein called her.
She says she ignored him.
One might say that she gave himthe cold shoulder or played hard
to get.
Until he got her a modeling jobwith a top agency.
After that, this is LisaPhillips's story.
(15:06):
After that, she visited him andhis friends in the music
industry, in the film industry,and whenever she saw him, he
assaulted her and all theirfriends, all of his friends also
assaulted her.
She says she discovered that shehad been assaulted after Epstein
(15:26):
was arrested.
If you don't know the story in2019.
So now that she knows that shehas been assaulted and is that
she's now a victim and asurvivor, her words, she now has
a podcast about her experiences.
her discovery of her victimhoodlate in the game is not unique.
(15:50):
Because we also have Liz Steinwho took up with Epstein at age
21, and she had this to say,
Liz Stein (15:59):
You did not realize.
That you were trafficked untilJeffrey Epstein was arrested.
What was it that made yourealize that you two had
survived his trafficking?
When the reports started comingout, I was kind of in my, my
mind saying, but I wasn'ttrafficked.
I was their friend.
And the more that I learnedabout what trafficking looks
like, the more I was able tosay, that's exactly what
(16:22):
happened to me.
The Tenth Man (16:23):
So two of the most outspoken and vocal
survivors.
I did not know that they wereabused until after Epstein went
on trial in 2019.
Now she makes a living as, somekind of survivor's advocate or
counselor.
Now,
do you,
believe These stories?
(16:44):
We're supposed to believe thewoman I believe them.
Not sure I believe they'retelling everything that
happened, but I believe they'retelling what happened.
And yet all these women saidthey had no choice because if
they came out, whatever thatmeans, no one would believe
(17:04):
them.
I wonder what they based thaton.
Everybody believes them.
I believe them.
The thing is, the storiesthey're telling are not
vindicating.
They're not validating.
And here's an uncomfortabletruth, that being a victim does
(17:25):
not somehow make you honest.
The women could be exploited andstill lie.
So even if, if Epstein's girlswere victim, that doesn't make
every word, they utter gospelfar from it, and yet that's
exactly how the media treats it.
(17:47):
They have not ever really beenquestioned and without even
questioning, their stories stillstink.
And yet we're told believe allwomen, no matter the evidence,
and be careful ever dating anyof these women.
There was a woman named BrendaTracy.
She was a professional abusecounselor who sued the men on a
(18:10):
football team, a collegefootball team, and lost.
But now she set herself up as aprofessional abuse counselor.
She lost, and yet she's aprofessional abuse counselor.
Started dating Michigan Statefootball coach Mel Tucker.
I ended up suing the school forsexual abuse because he
(18:31):
allegedly abused her.
She's an abuse counselor, andyet she allows her boyfriend to
abuse her.
You have to wonder what wouldqualify these people to counsel
others.
These others, these, these othertwo.
Lisa and Liz, a tragic chapterin their life.
(18:52):
If anything, they probably wouldrelapse into the same patterns
like Tracy, the counselorbecoming the plaintiff.
One tragedy turns into apermanent line on the resume and
a line of expertise without anycredentials.
it is sad the low standards wehold women to now.
(19:14):
We used to consider mothers whoraised a family to be heroes.
Then it became single mothers.
Now we've lowered the standardsso far that it's sex workers not
only are the heroes, we evenallow them to become experts and
life coaches.
It is okay to feel bad for thesewomen.
(19:34):
Their lives haven't been great,but like you'd feel bad for a
homeless person, for a heroinaddict.
They're in rough shape, but itdidn't all just happen to them.
And as far as the humantrafficking, that's what
(19:55):
Epstein's being accused of andbeing tried for.
Trafficking that comes from theMAN act.
Federal law making it illegal totransport someone over state
lines for immoral purposes.
The thing is, we only use thatlaw when we feel like it.
There's a lot better examples ofwhen the man act is being
(20:17):
violated.
There's another good example, avery similar one, Brittany
Griner.
She was arrested in Russia forbringing in THC cartridges.
Our press treated her like shewas a hostage of Putin and maybe
she was.
Carrying marijuana or cannabisoil is not the worst thing in
(20:38):
the world, maybe, but carryingpot across borders, state lines,
violates our own federal law.
and what about the thousands ofkids transported into actual
human trafficking?
The girls we're talking aboutthey were already doing the
(21:00):
deed, the assault.
The fact that they weretransported was kind of
incidental.
One was associated with theother.
But actual human traffickerstaking thousands of kids,
they're only moving these kidsone direction and for one
purpose to become sex workers.
(21:23):
They aren't companions.
Because Epstein's women, theywere not quite prostitutes.
They were not quite girlfriends,but they were clearly something
in between.
Something way different fromtransporting thousands upon
thousands of kids across theborder heading towards cities
never to return, just so thatthey can perform sex work.
(21:46):
On strangers a bit different,wouldn't you say?
And minor number one, marinaLacerda.
She was doing assault threetimes a week at$300 a crack.
As a 14-year-old.
I'd like to talk to some realhuman trafficking victims and
see how they're doingfinancially.
(22:08):
I don't envy this lifestyle.
But on the scale of prostitute,on the scale of sex workers,
ERDA was doing pretty well.
We should be asking her to paythe back income taxes on that
money.
And what about the doublestandard?
The women were paid and paidwell for sex.
Why weren't they paying Epstein?
(22:30):
They were getting sex.
So how were they disadvantaged?
And what about all the modernprogressive standards of
morality?
Let's compare those to what washappening.
These women were whined anddined.
Betted and rewarded Thesevictims.
Survivors were flown to Africa.
(22:51):
They got cash, comforts,prestige, attention, jobs,
there's all kinds of influencerson tiktoks saying, just have fun
and don't get married.
Don't make a man's lunch forhim.
Don't do his laundry.
All of these women, they didn'thave to marry him, and he didn't
(23:12):
get them pregnant.
He didn't abandon them.
He didn't leave them with anySTDs.
So what's really going on here?
Why is everybody so mad atEpstein?
There's the whole underagething, but that seems a little
bit flexible.
Is it just that everybody'sjealous of him?
The left finds ways to justifyall kinds of abberant behavior.
(23:34):
But a long-term, mutuallybeneficial and biologically
natural relationship seems anodd one for them to attack.
Now, they say they're protectingyoung women.
Well, if you wanna protect theyoung, why not protect young
men?
Because there are some victimsof a far worse crisis.
(23:57):
And I'm not approving Epstein orhis behavior.
It's just the complimentaryproblem with young men is far
worse.
We have a strange definition ofvictims and survivors, this
secret enticement, becauseactually there's nothing new
here.
There's no secret words.
Just promise them money,affection, attention.
(24:20):
Which he gave to them and nowthey're treated like heroes.
When the real heroes are honestgirls who refuse to trade sex
for favors where are thosegirls?
The real heroes And as to thereal victims, they got the same
(24:41):
thing these white girls got.
The same thing was promised toblack kids in the city.
Young black boys who are bag menfor the numbers, runners for the
drug dealers, same thing.
You promise them money, afamily, a pseudo family, and
attention.
(25:01):
And you promise to them for thesame reasons because they're
young and innocent.
They have the samevulnerability.
But imagine them indicting theirgang leaders for exploiting
them.
Can you even imagine a bunch ofconvicts lining up in the
capitol steps, demandingjustice?
(25:22):
All those girls demandingjustice, that would mean they're
in jail too for breaking thelaw, but Glanine Maxwell.
He is the only woman in the gangof sex criminals who's being
prosecuted.
And there was only one man inthe gang.
The rest are all women.
The man in charge is dead, andthe woman that all the other
(25:44):
women envied is in prison.
The black boys and the whitegirls have similar stories, but
yeah, I know all the girlsweren't white, but they were
acting white.
Similar stories, but the boyshad to work.
They didn't get to fly aroundthe world on Epstein's arm as
(26:06):
eye candy, and there aren't justa few hundred of them, but the
biggest difference.
Is the world that they're beingsucked into involves true
criminal acts, things that areobjectively wrong.
We all might hate sex withunderage girls, but it's not
(26:28):
objectively evil.
In the same way that drugs theftand murder arm things that are
evil all the time.
But there's no advocacy forinner city boys who make bad
choices, and yet I don't seethem blaming others for their
bad decisions And the one thingthey all have in common, the men
(26:50):
and the women.
They were being exploited bytheir mentors back then, and
they're exploited by the medianow.
No one is truly on their side,and no one will just tell them
the truth.
So what's the motive behind allthis?
Publicity can't be justice.
(27:12):
It's not reform.
Epstein might be useful toprotect living elites by
focusing only on him or usefulto media companies for ratings
and book sales.
He's certainly useful forcultural narratives that need
symbols more than they needfacts.
Was Epstein, objectively evil?
(27:35):
I guess so.
But he's dead.
He died in prison.
So it looks like it's all just amedia show.
And it'll probably peter outuntil the next time.
Anyone can create a new story ofvictimhood.
Examine some obscure laws forloopholes in reverse, weaponize
(27:56):
them selectively, and the mediacan exploit Christian morality,
cafeteria style, picking, andchoosing instead of reporting
facts.
This is the 10th Man podcast.
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