Journey into the intersection of faith and leadership with host Kathleen Panning and Ambassador Terry Earthwind Nichols in this thought-provoking episode that challenges conventional wisdom about power, choice, and authenticity.
Ambassador Nichols shares profound insights on how women of faith bring unique strengths to leadership roles. Far from the stereotype of "soft and gushy," women who lead from spiritual groundings demonstrate remarkable resilience and effectiveness because they're connected to something deeper than position or title.
The conversation explores our capacity for conscious choice—a revolutionary perspective that frees us from self-judgment and creates space for growth. "There is no good choice or bad choice," Nichols explains. "There's simply a choice, and we get to change our mind anytime." This framework allows leaders to make decisions from their hearts, use their souls for counsel, and keep their brains for storage.
Perhaps most fascinating is Nichols' perspective on humanity's evolution toward community-centered leadership. Drawing from both Native American wisdom and scientific understanding, he suggests we're moving into a new phase of consciousness where power-based approaches will give way to recognition that "we are all one." This shift mirrors quantum physics' revelations about interconnectedness and resonates with spiritual teachings across traditions.
Whether you're navigating ministry challenges, leading a business team, or simply seeking to understand yourself better, this conversation offers a refreshing framework for embracing imperfection as the very space where growth occurs. The "tilted halo" isn't a flaw—it's an invitation to authentic leadership that transforms both the leader and those they serve.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tilted Halo.
This is a new podcast and it'sfor anybody who's a woman in
ministry.
You might be a pastor likemyself, a bishop, a priest, a
rabbi, music minister, elderchildren's minister whatever
your title is, you're absolutelyin the right place, especially
if you're someone who loves yourministry and you're doing it
(00:24):
well and you're feeling pressureto sometimes be perfect and
deep down inside, you knowyou're not.
And how in the world to dealwith that?
And men, you're absolutelywelcome here too, because this
is about ministry and the samething can happen to you.
So you're all in the rightplace.
Let's get started with the show.
(00:45):
It is my great honor andprivilege to have a guest with
me today on the Tilted Halo andsomeone I met recently at an
event Mostly women present, butwe had a few wonderful,
good-natured and helpfulgentlemen with us as well.
(01:06):
This is Ambassador TerryEarthwind Nichols, creator and
grandmaster of repetitivebehavior, cellular regression.
He believes we are born with apredetermined personality.
Through a CR session, terryhelps his clients step into who
they are and who they came hereto be.
(01:27):
Ambassador Terry shares manypertinent messages with the
world, including the get-toversus have-to mindset.
He is an internationally knownauthor, mentor, world thought
leader, speaker and businessstrategist.
Terry has been part of theworld peace and environmental
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movement since completing hisvery first vision quest as a
retired US Navy profiler andafter discovering he was Native
American at age 46, Terryendeavors to live in a present
state of awareness.
He believes that presence isthe point where manifestation
becomes action and helps hisclients connect their heads with
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their hearts.
Terry is a commissioned Stephenminister and some of you will
know what that is all about.
Some of you may not.
So for those who do not,ambassador Terry, would you
share a little bit about whatStephen Ministry is?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Stephen Ministry is an international
non-denominational ministry,headquarters out of St Louis,
missouri, and I was commissionedthrough my church in
Minneapolis, first LutheranChurch.
We go through.
Basically what we do is we area ministry that serves people
(02:56):
who are in need in variouscrises.
Grief, end of life are two thatwe use a lot Divorce there's
well, there's need for ministryin a lot of different places and
that helped me kind of set up alot of what I do in my
mentoring as well.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That's really wonderful.
I helped facilitate a verysimilar program at one of the
congregations I served and wealso that congregation had
sponsored a group home for menwho had schizophrenia.
So I learned with that a lotabout at least a little bit
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about some mental illness issuesand ministering in that kind of
a setting, as well as thosethat you're speaking about.
So it was a very powerful andimportant program for not only
for members, but many times ittouched people far into the
community as well, to thecommunity as well.
(04:09):
So, and I'm sure you found thatas well.
So, but, Terry, you are herewith me and we're going to talk
a little bit about women's faithin leadership in this world
today and connecting that withwhat you do as well.
So what do you see as some ofthe issues and the strengths
that women of faith bring toleadership in the business world
(04:32):
?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Dynamic question and is so commonly overlooked is the
fact that when one is attachedto a belief that touches their
soul and gives them nourishmentand, through that nourishment,
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gives them confidence to moveforward and be a connector and a
and be a connector and aconduit for those who work for
them and work with them, theybecome the example because they
live a life that is from thesoul and from the heart.
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That doesn't mean that they'resoft and gushy and those kinds
of things that men like to callwomen.
They're not at all okay.
They are excellent leaders.
They are people who how do Isay this?
Grouped together as childrenand grew up in an environment
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that nurtured theirparticipation.
Later on in life, as they grewin their organizations or
started a new organization, theywere able to take that group
connection and expand it to sendit out.
I have a personal belief thatyou cannot give what you do not
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have.
So if you want to give love andunderstanding to those around
you, you have to have love andunderstanding inside you, and
often that is in the form ofprayer and connection with those
of similar beliefs.
Sometimes it's differentreligion but similar beliefs.
(06:26):
You know, we are human beingsliving a spiritual experience,
okay, and others say that we'respiritual beings living a human
experience.
Well, in my opinion, there's noreal difference.
If you're spiritual, you're intouch with yourself, you're
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connected to the great beyondand all the love and the
connection that that brings toyou.
You become a stronger spirit, astronger person, a stronger
parent, a stronger part of thecommunity that nourishes your
(07:09):
beliefs and your connection withGod.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yes, and I heard a quote recently with some of the
things going on in the worldtoday about what makes somebody
a great person, and it went likethis Great men I was talking
about a man in this case makedecisions that other men can't,
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and it was spoken of someone whois a leader in a very public
way and has a very deep faith.
And that says to me you knowthat our faith in leadership
enables us many times to makesome of those tough decisions,
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and they're not necessarily softand mushy, but they can be some
of those tough decisions thatother people wouldn't be as
willing or as able to makebecause they don't have that
foundation there and they don'thave a connection to a broader
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community to help support themin that sense and I see that for
women as well as men.
In that sense, does that fitwith how you're seeing all of
this put together?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know my observations of people.
I've been a lifelong peoplewatcher and that helped me to
create the repetitive behavior,cellular regression sequence and
what I have found consistentlythroughout the world.
I was a I am a retired Navy manUS Navy and I traveled a lot of
the world.
There is no difference when itcomes to peoples of different
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backgrounds living in differentcountries, living in different
neighborhoods.
The fact is, when there'scommunity, the walls that
separate men and women and blackand white and all of those
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kinds of things start to crumble, or they do crumble, in that
we're all in this together.
We all have different jobs.
That's how I teach my peopletoo.
We all have different jobs.
It doesn't matter if you're CEOof an international corporation
like mine, or the partner in amom and pop health and wellness
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company in rural Minnesota andthat's not saying anything
against them either.
It's, you know, my wife and I.
She's the love of my life andI'm the love of her life, and we
argue because we're twodifferent emotional units and
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we've got a system that whenthat happens, we have a way of
self-claiming a timeout.
We go I'm going to a one.
That means 15 minutes.
We don't talk to each otherabout whatever we're arguing
about, gives us a moment, take abreath and let the mind just
rest.
And then, when we get backtogether, we're two adult beings
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and we sit down and say, well,this is what I meant when I said
now that I think about it, Iprobably should have said, and
the other person will say well,this is what I heard and that
triggered me, and when I had aminute to think about it, I went
out and I found why thattriggered me.
(11:10):
Now, this big blow up situationhas now become a connected
communication where both of uscan move forward as lovers, as
partners on this journey of life, and the same holds true with
business partners two males, twofemales or any combination of
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that.
If you can take a moment tostep back, get a hold of
yourself, because nothing'sgoing to happen until you're in
control of yourself.
If you're doing everything fromyour ego, good luck.
You're doing everything fromyour heart and your soul.
Now you have validity withinyourself and you can then give
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validity.
And I, in my experience a lotof companies that I worked with
and as chief ceos, senior, uh,politicians of countries uh, one
thing that that holds true withtheir leadership ability is
their ability to stop and listen, to understand not listen,
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listen, to reply.
Right Recently we had theinternational Nelson Mandela Day
.
A great spiritual man andspiritual leader and everything
was against that man most of hisadult life until circumstances
freed him.
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That whole time he was inprison he was not a man of anger
and all those kinds of things.
He ministered to the guardsthat guarded him every day.
Wow Okay.
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He helped them understand theirlives, who he was and his
beliefs and the just cause thatfree religion and free people
could do.
And you know, he converted hiscaptors to a point where a
couple of them spoke in hisbehalf.
A few years later they criedwith happiness, literally cried
with happiness, when he walkedout of that prison.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And that is a person that could have been the
complete opposite, right, abitter person, and take that
prison with him, out those gates, and could have been major
trouble, gotten himself killedor whatever.
(13:57):
He didn't.
He made a conscious choice fromhis heart.
A conscious choice from hisheart I can either take this
prison with me and have it be aslave of it the rest of my life,
or I can leave it here and Ican resume the life that I left.
And that's what he did, and Ithink that place in women, in
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leadership, is no different.
You can either drag the thingsthat drag you down around or you
can just leave them back there,learn from them and move
forward with the vision and themission and the faith that you
possess within your heart toguide you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, there's a word that you said that always I'm
delighted when I hear it.
It's the word choice.
It's just, you know, it's a.
We live in a country where wesay we have so many choices and
you know, freedoms and all ofthat, and yet so often we do not
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realize that we have the choiceof how we feel and how we
respond to things and we thinkthe common phrase you make me so
angry and suddenly it's theother person who's forcing me to
do something and I give up mychoice even in those words.
(15:28):
And just flipping the words andsay I'm angry when you say that
or I feel anger about that,totally changes things.
And for us to start rethinkingeven our just simple little
things of vocabulary, open upthat choice and the power of
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that in leadership, to haveleaders be able to say those
kinds of things to people theywork with, to family members.
When I learned that, it was,you know, kind of an internal
prison opened up because I wasno longer subject to what other
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people were forcing me to do ormaking me feel.
And yet the language that wehear so often in the media and
even with news you know,national news correspondents, I
hear them ask questions.
How did that make you feel whenyou know something happened?
(16:39):
Or someone says and I'm justlike, please just change your
language.
And you know something sosimple as that and yet so very
powerful, and that's one thingyou help to show people, people
yeah, you know, um choice.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
there is no good choice, there is no bad choice.
There's simply a choice, and we, as human beings, get to change
our mind anytime we want.
The key is, you know, the worldis not full of a lot of choices
.
The world is full of a choicefor you in the moment.
Now you choose to go along withthose people that you know are
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bad for you.
That's your choice.
It's not good or bad, it's thechoice in the moment.
Right, and you get to changethat choice anytime you want to.
In that knowledge of non-duality, where everything just is okay,
you learn everything from thepast and you ignore, for the
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most part, what's in the future,because it doesn't exist.
It's what we create in our mind.
Is all these scenarios?
Well, we're taught that fromyouth.
That is a society of high angstand high control factors for
the use of power.
It, you know, it has nothing todo with us.
(18:06):
We can blame ourselves for thisor that, and it doesn't mean
anything unless we're blamingourselves because we felt like
we did something that weshouldn't have done.
Well, ok, change it.
Yeah, you know, it's like.
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It's like.
You know, there's a lot ofthings going on in the Middle
East right now.
Well, guess what, ladies andgentlemen?
There's a whole lot ofPalestinians and a whole lot of
Israelis that are in communitywith each other.
Yes, okay, why?
Because they're in community.
They are out of the leadershipof both of these powers, are
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doing their own thing.
They're not doing anything forthe Israeli people, they're not
doing anything for thePalestinian people.
They're doing power struggles,and all those innocent people
are in the middle.
Okay, we pray for them.
You know we pray for thehomeless person down the street.
Well, get to a point where theycan make a decision to stand up
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and move forward, or evenaccept the kindness of a person
that can change that, realizingthat acceptance, and make that
choice, or change their life andchange the projection of their
journey in life.
Right now, everything justboils down to uh, okay, just
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make a choice.
You know you can carry thatwith you all the rest of your
life or you can let it go, learnfrom it and move forward with
the person you know you are.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And that is something that I find, especially for
women.
Figuring out who we are can bevery difficult because of all of
the things that were taughtgrowing up about who we're
supposed to be and you know.
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So who am I?
Can I really do this?
Can I really do this?
When I was a young girl, therewere no women in leadership in
the church, you know.
I didn't see anybody there.
I had no clue that I could be apastor.
It never even dawned on me tothink about that, and yet there
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was something inside of me thatwas leaning in that direction,
and so when the opportunity forthat changed, it was like oh
yeah, that's it for me.
But there are many other women,especially and I think this is
(20:57):
also true for a lot of men whoit's hard to know who we're
meant to be.
How do we find that?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I help people with that all the time.
You know, we're all, as youmentioned earlier, we're all
born with an establishedpersonality already.
You mentioned earlier, we'reall born with an established
personality already and as weage, we become witness to
various stimuli in the world andhow we will act and react to it
.
And that's all by choice.
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What happens to that choice isthose who are nearest and
dearest to us parents.
Usually we love them, weemulate what they do, what they
believe good or bad, and that isa person that we create, not a
person that we are.
And when something very highemotional value occurs, we
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witness something or we'reattacked or whatever, and we're
young enough to where we can'ttell mom and dad what just
happened because we don't knowhow to talk it.
We don't know that, we don'thave the language.
We create an amnesiac situation.
Amnesia is not broken.
Amnesia is there to protect youfrom remembering this bad
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memory and it closes off theneural pathway in your brain
that holds that memory and allthe memories before it.
Okay, we lose our earlychildhood, have no memory of it,
and when we create a new neuralpathway through this, the RBCR
sequence, we go back to the backof the brain using the five
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senses.
That back here is called thebaby brain or the basis of the
brain, and it houses all thefive senses right in that area
and when it goes forward itcompletes the circuit, talking
like energy or electricity.
It completes the circuit from anew wiring system and all of a
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sudden you have all the memoriesof your early childhood back
and you have that memory thatcaused this whole thing, but you
have it in a differentperspective now.
Okay, you're looking at it asan adult going through a
situation so everything changes.
At it as an adult going througha situation so everything
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changes.
And when we're growing up, youmight be living in a house where
there's a lot of chaos all thetime, and chaos can mean a lot
of different things.
Chaos can mean nonstop peoplewalking in and out of the house.
That creates chaos becausethere's no stability.
There's also chaos where momand dad are screaming and
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yelling at each other, physicalattacks, all those kinds of
things you know too much of,substances that alter their
brain, their way of thinking,and then all the people that mom
and dad hang out with have thisway of thinking against a
certain people or whatever it is, and pretty soon you're an
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adult and you don't want tochange that, because you don't
want to lose your community yougrew up in, so you become part
of that community instead oflistening to your heart and
acting from your soul.
You know, we often say makeyour decisions from your heart,
use your soul for counsel andkeep your brain for storage,
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because that's the purestthought that is you, that is the
deepest part of you making adecision that is good for you
first.
Now, don't misunderstand,that's not being selfish.
It's being good to you first sothat you can be good to other
people.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, yeah, I think that's part of the key.
It's what really is good, notonly for me, but then broadens
out to other people.
So the selfish part would be ifwe cut it off at the just good
for me, you know, leaveeverybody else out to do you
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know too bad for them.
But if it's good for me plusthem, then it's no longer
selfish.
Would that be an accurate wayto look at that?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, you know, in my adultlife I've had superiors come to
me and really dislike a decisionI make and it was very counter
to the community or the company,and say what were you thinking?
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I guess who?
Well, here's what I wasthinking.
This is what I know and that byBob.
Bob, okay, and based on this,that was the best decision to be
made.
Would you agree with that?
And my superiors go.
You didn't know about blah blah, blah, blah.
No, I did.
I had no knowledge of it.
Now, if I had known then, what Iknow now, that would not have
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been a decision.
Oh, I understand.
Now, listening to understand asopposed to listening to reply.
Now I simply could have saidyeah, I don't know why I was
thinking that day, it was just acrazy day.
Whatever you know, I didn'tlike those people, whatever it
is, that is giving up tosomething that's not even true
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in the first place, whereas Imade a very good decision, it
did not have all of theinformation for me to make the
better decision that could havebeen made, which I would have
easily done, but by making thedecision at the moment with the
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information I had, that was theright thing to do and there are
no good decisions, there's nobad decisions, there's simply
decisions, and we can alwayschange them, which I did are
simply decisions and we canalways change them, which I did,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Giving oneself what you're talking about is
something I also learned givingyourself the permission to
realize that, yes, we do makethe best decisions at any given
moment based on the informationand the beliefs we have at that
moment, and to be able to thenlook at those, especially when
there's the light of otherinformation that's available,
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you know and to consider maybesome other beliefs that might be
better for us or for otherpeople, that then we can make a
different decision Totally.
You know, it might be slightlydifferent, it might be totally
different, but then we don'tbeat ourselves up about, oh, I
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made such a horrible decisionback then.
No, I made the decision basedon what I knew and what I
believed at that moment.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, and what did I learn from this?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, and what did I learn from that?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So I can help other people not repeat that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right, right and to grow forward from that as well.
Yeah, yeah, all wonderfulthings about leadership.
One other question where doesfaith to you fall in for the
future of business andleadership outside of the
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religious realm?
It might be politics, it mightbe, you know, communities,
whatever.
Where does faith fall in all ofthat?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
faith is what you have inside of you and what you
believe in your heart and inyour soul.
Whatever that is Okay and itmay differ from everybody around
you, but it's your faith and aslong as you hold it true to
yourself, you're being true toyourself.
And you know, right now there'sthere's great turmoil in a lot
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of places around the world.
America is going through itsquad annual craziness, the
presidential election process,and there are no holes barred
for lies and disbelief andfinger pointing and all those
kinds of things and fingerpointing and all those kinds of
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things which I find quitesurprising, because there are
cell phones flying live streamon the internet while they're
lying, while they're doing it,they're not red-handed and then
completely deny it.
Well, here it is on video.
How can you deny it?
Those kinds of things?
Well, here it is on video.
Well, how can you deny it?
Those kinds of things?
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Humanity, there's a vibration atvarious levels of humanity and,
through the evolutionaryprocess of millions of years,
humans are better able to tapinto their mind and how it works
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and how they think at variouslevels, and science has come to
terms and have identified,starting at the very beginning
of this century, in 26 or 2010,something like that that the
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next level of evolution ofhumanity, of humankind, is now
in process, and they don't knowwhat that's going to look like.
You know there's young peopleborn in this century that
finishes the sentence of theperson next to them and they're
not identical twins or, uh, theyget this um message.
If you will uh about a friendor a relative in a different
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place, and they pick it up andand say are you okay?
I just got this, this hit thatthat you're not okay.
How it's to know that it didhappen.
And try to be aware that youknow the way we think and how we
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think is about to get to thenext level, which you know is
hugely important to us, theday-to-day people.
And I say it that way becausethose who survive based on power
over people, they're going tohave much less of that power.
Power is not going to be thefuture of humankind.
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Wow, it's community, it's.
You know we're all in thistogether and I don't care what
your beliefs are or where youlive, or what you eat for dinner
or don't eat for dinner, Noneof that matters, it's.
We are all and you know I amall and all am I, I am everybody
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out there that's listening inand thank you for doing so, and
you're part of me, okay?
So how can I war against you oranything like that?
I'd be warring against myself.
Why do I want to hurt myself?
We're all in this together.
We are all one people.
Humankind are humans.
You know.
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There's no subspecies oranything like that, so science
can't take it down lower than ahuman being, right?
So we are now evolving into theawareness of all of us being
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one human being, one human race,and not even using the word
race anymore, because that's thepiece.
There's winners and losers.
Well, there are no winners andlosers.
We all are right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
That's a very interesting perspective.
There are people who wouldperhaps tie that in with quantum
physics and things like thatfor people who know about those
kinds of things, but for peopleof faith it brings in the notion
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of the oneness of God, bringingus all together in that kind of
a severe.
That would be the language morepeople of faith would
understand.
And yet there are manyscientists who are embracing
that oneness and that faithperspective as well, because
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there's from what I'm, thelittle I know of this they're
seeing more of that oneness andrecognizing that there's far
more out there and a power, aforce, a pulse, a life, whatever
you want to call that um, aspirit, universe, god, uh, that
(34:08):
um that we still don'tunderstand.
And there's so much about thisworld and about us as humans
that there's so much morepotential there than what we
currently see and understand.
And that kind of gets into.
How do people know things aboutsomebody they've never met or a
(34:30):
relative they haven't talked tofor months and years and those
kinds of things.
Some of that some people callit ESPs.
You know all kinds of differentwords, but that there is a
reality to those things and thatoneness that you talk about and
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for us to be able to, as faithleaders or people of faith in
leadership, to be able to tapinto that as much as possible
and bring that into ourworkforce, our life force, our
faith communities and thebroader community as well,
especially in this time whenthere's so much division and
(35:14):
divisiveness verbally on manylevels within our world as well.
So it's kind of a goodcounterbalance to some of the
other things we see going on.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well, ambassador Thierry, please let people know
how they can get in touch withyou if they want to learn more
about the work you do and youknow, find out about your books
and other things like that.
Please let them know how to dothat.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Go on to your search engine Bing, google, whatever
and look up Terry EarthwindNichols.
There's one in the world.
That's the easiest way toremember it Terry Earthwind
Nichols.
Earthwind is my Native Americantribal name.
Dado Onule means his breathacross the earth, right, because
(36:10):
my tribe understood that Itravel a lot and that was
appropriate.
So Earthwind, otherwise TerryNichols, there's 15 to 20,000 of
us in North America alone.
So I tell people, look up TerryEarthwind Nichols.
So I tell people, look up TerryEarthwind Nichols and you'll
find me and my books and myspeaking, my companies,
(36:33):
everything.
That's the easiest way to do it.
Or you can look up this companyright here.
That's not a bad idea either.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, nichols is N-I-C-H-O-L-S.
Some people spell thatcorrectly, but yes, and it's
been.
I've thoroughly enjoyed thisconversation and there's so much
that we share in common andbackground and things like that.
It's a beautiful thing.
I hope that we can continuethis conversation at another
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time perhaps and go deeper, butI thank you for being here and
being part of the Tilted Halotoday.
This is a podcast for women offaith and leadership who know
perfectly well that we're notperfect, but that means that we
have all kinds of room to growand to explore those beliefs and
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new things that can come alongas well.
So thank you, terry, a greatpleasure to have you here and
God's peace and blessings to allthat you do in the world these
days.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you, kathleen.
You're a wonderful person and avery loving soul, and I do hope
that we can continue ourconversation as well.
And for those of you again whoare watching this podcast, thank
you very much for doing so andif it does resonate with you, do
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reach out to me.
Yes, I have an internationalcompany, but I'm pretty easy to
get a hold of and I speak to alland welcome all, okay, so thank
you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Thank you.
Thank you very much, and to allof our listeners and watchers,
god's peace and blessings to youtoday as well.
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Panning.
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See you on the next episode.
Welcome to the Tilted Halo.
This is a new podcast and it'sfor anybody who's a woman in
ministry.
You might be a pastor likemyself, a bishop, a priest, a
rabbi, music minister, elderchildren's minister whatever
your title is, you're absolutelyin the right place, especially
if you're someone who loves yourministry and you're doing it
(00:24):
well and you're feeling pressureto sometimes be perfect and
deep down inside, you knowyou're not.
And how in the world to dealwith that?
And men, you're absolutelywelcome here too, because this
is about ministry and the samething can happen to you.
So you're all in the rightplace.
Let's get started with the show.
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It is my great honor andprivilege to have a guest with
me today on the Tilted Halo andsomeone I met recently at an
event Mostly women present, butwe had a few wonderful,
good-natured and helpfulgentlemen with us as well.
(01:06):
This is Ambassador TerryEarthwind Nichols, creator and
grandmaster of repetitivebehavior, cellular regression.
He believes we are born with apredetermined personality.
Through a CR session, terryhelps his clients step into who
they are and who they came hereto be.
(01:27):
Ambassador Terry shares manypertinent messages with the
world, including the get-toversus have-to mindset.
He is an internationally knownauthor, mentor, world thought
leader, speaker and businessstrategist.
Terry has been part of theworld peace and environmental
(01:49):
movement since completing hisvery first vision quest as a
retired US Navy profiler andafter discovering he was Native
American at age 46, Terryendeavors to live in a present
state of awareness.
He believes that presence isthe point where manifestation
becomes action and helps hisclients connect their heads with
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their hearts.
Terry is a commissioned Stephenminister and some of you will
know what that is all about.
Some of you may not.
So for those who do not,ambassador Terry, would you
share a little bit about whatStephen Ministry is?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Stephen Ministry is an international
non-denominational ministry,headquarters out of St Louis,
missouri, and I was commissionedthrough my church in
Minneapolis, first LutheranChurch.
We go through.
Basically what we do is we area ministry that serves people
(02:56):
who are in need in variouscrises.
Grief, end of life are two thatwe use a lot Divorce there's
well, there's need for ministryin a lot of different places and
that helped me kind of set up alot of what I do in my
mentoring as well.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That's really wonderful.
I helped facilitate a verysimilar program at one of the
congregations I served and wealso that congregation had
sponsored a group home for menwho had schizophrenia.
So I learned with that a lotabout at least a little bit
(03:41):
about some mental illness issuesand ministering in that kind of
a setting, as well as thosethat you're speaking about.
So it was a very powerful andimportant program for not only
for members, but many times ittouched people far into the
community as well, to thecommunity as well.
(04:09):
So, and I'm sure you found thatas well.
So, but, Terry, you are herewith me and we're going to talk
a little bit about women's faithin leadership in this world
today and connecting that withwhat you do as well.
So what do you see as some ofthe issues and the strengths
that women of faith bring toleadership in the business world
(04:32):
?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Dynamic question and is so commonly overlooked is the
fact that when one is attachedto a belief that touches their
soul and gives them nourishmentand, through that nourishment,
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gives them confidence to moveforward and be a connector and a
and be a connector and aconduit for those who work for
them and work with them, theybecome the example because they
live a life that is from thesoul and from the heart.
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That doesn't mean that they'resoft and gushy and those kinds
of things that men like to callwomen.
They're not at all okay.
They are excellent leaders.
They are people who how do Isay this?
Grouped together as childrenand grew up in an environment
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that nurtured theirparticipation.
Later on in life, as they grewin their organizations or
started a new organization, theywere able to take that group
connection and expand it to sendit out.
I have a personal belief thatyou cannot give what you do not
(06:03):
have.
So if you want to give love andunderstanding to those around
you, you have to have love andunderstanding inside you, and
often that is in the form ofprayer and connection with those
of similar beliefs.
Sometimes it's differentreligion but similar beliefs.
(06:26):
You know, we are human beingsliving a spiritual experience,
okay, and others say that we'respiritual beings living a human
experience.
Well, in my opinion, there's noreal difference.
If you're spiritual, you're intouch with yourself, you're
(06:49):
connected to the great beyondand all the love and the
connection that that brings toyou.
You become a stronger spirit, astronger person, a stronger
parent, a stronger part of thecommunity that nourishes your
(07:09):
beliefs and your connection withGod.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Yes, and I heard a quote recently with some of the
things going on in the worldtoday about what makes somebody
a great person, and it went likethis Great men I was talking
about a man in this case makedecisions that other men can't,
(07:38):
and it was spoken of someone whois a leader in a very public
way and has a very deep faith.
And that says to me you knowthat our faith in leadership
enables us many times to makesome of those tough decisions,
(08:00):
and they're not necessarily softand mushy, but they can be some
of those tough decisions thatother people wouldn't be as
willing or as able to makebecause they don't have that
foundation there and they don'thave a connection to a broader
(08:23):
community to help support themin that sense and I see that for
women as well as men.
In that sense, does that fitwith how you're seeing all of
this put together?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Yes, I think it does.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
You know my observations of people.
I've been a lifelong peoplewatcher and that helped me to
create the repetitive behavior,cellular regression sequence and
what I have found consistentlythroughout the world.
I was a I am a retired Navy manUS Navy and I traveled a lot of
the world.
There is no difference when itcomes to peoples of different
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backgrounds living in differentcountries, living in different
neighborhoods.
The fact is, when there'scommunity, the walls that
separate men and women and blackand white and all of those
(09:43):
kinds of things start to crumble, or they do crumble, in that
we're all in this together.
We all have different jobs.
That's how I teach my peopletoo.
We all have different jobs.
It doesn't matter if you're CEOof an international corporation
like mine, or the partner in amom and pop health and wellness
(10:05):
company in rural Minnesota andthat's not saying anything
against them either.
It's, you know, my wife and I.
She's the love of my life andI'm the love of her life, and we
argue because we're twodifferent emotional units and
(10:27):
we've got a system that whenthat happens, we have a way of
self-claiming a timeout.
We go I'm going to a one.
That means 15 minutes.
We don't talk to each otherabout whatever we're arguing
about, gives us a moment, take abreath and let the mind just
rest.
And then, when we get backtogether, we're two adult beings
(10:48):
and we sit down and say, well,this is what I meant when I said
now that I think about it, Iprobably should have said, and
the other person will say well,this is what I heard and that
triggered me, and when I had aminute to think about it, I went
out and I found why thattriggered me.
(11:10):
Now, this big blow up situationhas now become a connected
communication where both of uscan move forward as lovers, as
partners on this journey of life, and the same holds true with
business partners two males, twofemales or any combination of
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that.
If you can take a moment tostep back, get a hold of
yourself, because nothing'sgoing to happen until you're in
control of yourself.
If you're doing everything fromyour ego, good luck.
You're doing everything fromyour heart and your soul.
Now you have validity withinyourself and you can then give
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validity.
And I, in my experience a lotof companies that I worked with
and as chief ceos, senior, uh,politicians of countries uh, one
thing that that holds true withtheir leadership ability is
their ability to stop and listen, to understand not listen,
(12:24):
listen, to reply.
Right Recently we had theinternational Nelson Mandela Day
.
A great spiritual man andspiritual leader and everything
was against that man most of hisadult life until circumstances
freed him.
(12:44):
That whole time he was inprison he was not a man of anger
and all those kinds of things.
He ministered to the guardsthat guarded him every day.
Wow Okay.
(13:14):
He helped them understand theirlives, who he was and his
beliefs and the just cause thatfree religion and free people
could do.
And you know, he converted hiscaptors to a point where a
couple of them spoke in hisbehalf.
A few years later they criedwith happiness, literally cried
with happiness, when he walkedout of that prison.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
And that is a person that could have been the
complete opposite, right, abitter person, and take that
prison with him, out those gates, and could have been major
trouble, gotten himself killedor whatever.
(13:57):
He didn't.
He made a conscious choice fromhis heart.
A conscious choice from hisheart I can either take this
prison with me and have it be aslave of it the rest of my life,
or I can leave it here and Ican resume the life that I left.
And that's what he did, and Ithink that place in women, in
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leadership, is no different.
You can either drag the thingsthat drag you down around or you
can just leave them back there,learn from them and move
forward with the vision and themission and the faith that you
possess within your heart toguide you.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Yeah, there's a word that you said that always I'm
delighted when I hear it.
It's the word choice.
It's just, you know, it's a.
We live in a country where wesay we have so many choices and
you know, freedoms and all ofthat, and yet so often we do not
(15:06):
realize that we have the choiceof how we feel and how we
respond to things and we thinkthe common phrase you make me so
angry and suddenly it's theother person who's forcing me to
do something and I give up mychoice even in those words.
(15:28):
And just flipping the words andsay I'm angry when you say that
or I feel anger about that,totally changes things.
And for us to start rethinkingeven our just simple little
things of vocabulary, open upthat choice and the power of
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that in leadership, to haveleaders be able to say those
kinds of things to people theywork with, to family members.
When I learned that, it was,you know, kind of an internal
prison opened up because I wasno longer subject to what other
(16:16):
people were forcing me to do ormaking me feel.
And yet the language that wehear so often in the media and
even with news you know,national news correspondents, I
hear them ask questions.
How did that make you feel whenyou know something happened?
(16:39):
Or someone says and I'm justlike, please just change your
language.
And you know something sosimple as that and yet so very
powerful, and that's one thingyou help to show people, people
yeah, you know, um choice.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
there is no good choice, there is no bad choice.
There's simply a choice, and we, as human beings, get to change
our mind anytime we want.
The key is, you know, the worldis not full of a lot of choices
.
The world is full of a choicefor you in the moment.
Now you choose to go along withthose people that you know are
(17:22):
bad for you.
That's your choice.
It's not good or bad, it's thechoice in the moment.
Right, and you get to changethat choice anytime you want to.
In that knowledge of non-duality, where everything just is okay,
you learn everything from thepast and you ignore, for the
(17:43):
most part, what's in the future,because it doesn't exist.
It's what we create in our mind.
Is all these scenarios?
Well, we're taught that fromyouth.
That is a society of high angstand high control factors for
the use of power.
It, you know, it has nothing todo with us.
(18:06):
We can blame ourselves for thisor that, and it doesn't mean
anything unless we're blamingourselves because we felt like
we did something that weshouldn't have done.
Well, ok, change it.
Yeah, you know, it's like.
(18:27):
It's like.
You know, there's a lot ofthings going on in the Middle
East right now.
Well, guess what, ladies andgentlemen?
There's a whole lot ofPalestinians and a whole lot of
Israelis that are in communitywith each other.
Yes, okay, why?
Because they're in community.
They are out of the leadershipof both of these powers, are
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doing their own thing.
They're not doing anything forthe Israeli people, they're not
doing anything for thePalestinian people.
They're doing power struggles,and all those innocent people
are in the middle.
Okay, we pray for them.
You know we pray for thehomeless person down the street.
Well, get to a point where theycan make a decision to stand up
(19:13):
and move forward, or evenaccept the kindness of a person
that can change that, realizingthat acceptance, and make that
choice, or change their life andchange the projection of their
journey in life.
Right now, everything justboils down to uh, okay, just
(19:34):
make a choice.
You know you can carry thatwith you all the rest of your
life or you can let it go, learnfrom it and move forward with
the person you know you are.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
And that is something that I find, especially for
women.
Figuring out who we are can bevery difficult because of all of
the things that were taughtgrowing up about who we're
supposed to be and you know.
(20:09):
So who am I?
Can I really do this?
Can I really do this?
When I was a young girl, therewere no women in leadership in
the church, you know.
I didn't see anybody there.
I had no clue that I could be apastor.
It never even dawned on me tothink about that, and yet there
(20:36):
was something inside of me thatwas leaning in that direction,
and so when the opportunity forthat changed, it was like oh
yeah, that's it for me.
But there are many other women,especially and I think this is
(20:57):
also true for a lot of men whoit's hard to know who we're
meant to be.
How do we find that?
Speaker 2 (21:07):
Yeah, I help people with that all the time.
You know, we're all, as youmentioned earlier, we're all
born with an establishedpersonality already.
You mentioned earlier, we'reall born with an established
personality already and as weage, we become witness to
various stimuli in the world andhow we will act and react to it
.
And that's all by choice.
(21:32):
What happens to that choice isthose who are nearest and
dearest to us parents.
Usually we love them, weemulate what they do, what they
believe good or bad, and that isa person that we create, not a
person that we are.
And when something very highemotional value occurs, we
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witness something or we'reattacked or whatever, and we're
young enough to where we can'ttell mom and dad what just
happened because we don't knowhow to talk it.
We don't know that, we don'thave the language.
We create an amnesiac situation.
Amnesia is not broken.
Amnesia is there to protect youfrom remembering this bad
(22:16):
memory and it closes off theneural pathway in your brain
that holds that memory and allthe memories before it.
Okay, we lose our earlychildhood, have no memory of it,
and when we create a new neuralpathway through this, the RBCR
sequence, we go back to the backof the brain using the five
(22:39):
senses.
That back here is called thebaby brain or the basis of the
brain, and it houses all thefive senses right in that area
and when it goes forward itcompletes the circuit, talking
like energy or electricity.
It completes the circuit from anew wiring system and all of a
(22:59):
sudden you have all the memoriesof your early childhood back
and you have that memory thatcaused this whole thing, but you
have it in a differentperspective now.
Okay, you're looking at it asan adult going through a
situation so everything changes.
At it as an adult going througha situation so everything
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changes.
And when we're growing up, youmight be living in a house where
there's a lot of chaos all thetime, and chaos can mean a lot
of different things.
Chaos can mean nonstop peoplewalking in and out of the house.
That creates chaos becausethere's no stability.
There's also chaos where momand dad are screaming and
(23:42):
yelling at each other, physicalattacks, all those kinds of
things you know too much of,substances that alter their
brain, their way of thinking,and then all the people that mom
and dad hang out with have thisway of thinking against a
certain people or whatever it is, and pretty soon you're an
(24:06):
adult and you don't want tochange that, because you don't
want to lose your community yougrew up in, so you become part
of that community instead oflistening to your heart and
acting from your soul.
You know, we often say makeyour decisions from your heart,
use your soul for counsel andkeep your brain for storage,
(24:29):
because that's the purestthought that is you, that is the
deepest part of you making adecision that is good for you
first.
Now, don't misunderstand,that's not being selfish.
It's being good to you first sothat you can be good to other
people.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Okay, yeah, I think that's part of the key.
It's what really is good, notonly for me, but then broadens
out to other people.
So the selfish part would be ifwe cut it off at the just good
for me, you know, leaveeverybody else out to do you
(25:08):
know too bad for them.
But if it's good for me plusthem, then it's no longer
selfish.
Would that be an accurate wayto look at that?
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Yeah, you know, in my adultlife I've had superiors come to
me and really dislike a decisionI make and it was very counter
to the community or the company,and say what were you thinking?
(25:40):
I guess who?
Well, here's what I wasthinking.
This is what I know and that byBob.
Bob, okay, and based on this,that was the best decision to be
made.
Would you agree with that?
And my superiors go.
You didn't know about blah blah, blah, blah.
No, I did.
I had no knowledge of it.
Now, if I had known then, what Iknow now, that would not have
(26:01):
been a decision.
Oh, I understand.
Now, listening to understand asopposed to listening to reply.
Now I simply could have saidyeah, I don't know why I was
thinking that day, it was just acrazy day.
Whatever you know, I didn'tlike those people, whatever it
is, that is giving up tosomething that's not even true
(26:22):
in the first place, whereas Imade a very good decision, it
did not have all of theinformation for me to make the
better decision that could havebeen made, which I would have
easily done, but by making thedecision at the moment with the
(26:43):
information I had, that was theright thing to do and there are
no good decisions, there's nobad decisions, there's simply
decisions, and we can alwayschange them, which I did are
simply decisions and we canalways change them, which I did,
you know.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Giving oneself what you're talking about is
something I also learned givingyourself the permission to
realize that, yes, we do makethe best decisions at any given
moment based on the informationand the beliefs we have at that
moment, and to be able to thenlook at those, especially when
there's the light of otherinformation that's available,
(27:29):
you know and to consider maybesome other beliefs that might be
better for us or for otherpeople, that then we can make a
different decision Totally.
You know, it might be slightlydifferent, it might be totally
different, but then we don'tbeat ourselves up about, oh, I
(27:50):
made such a horrible decisionback then.
No, I made the decision basedon what I knew and what I
believed at that moment.
Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yeah, and what did I learn from this?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
Yeah, and what did I learn from that?
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So I can help other people not repeat that.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Right, right and to grow forward from that as well.
Yeah, yeah, all wonderfulthings about leadership.
One other question where doesfaith to you fall in for the
future of business andleadership outside of the
(28:34):
religious realm?
It might be politics, it mightbe, you know, communities,
whatever.
Where does faith fall in all ofthat?
Speaker 2 (28:45):
faith is what you have inside of you and what you
believe in your heart and inyour soul.
Whatever that is Okay and itmay differ from everybody around
you, but it's your faith and aslong as you hold it true to
yourself, you're being true toyourself.
And you know, right now there'sthere's great turmoil in a lot
(29:10):
of places around the world.
America is going through itsquad annual craziness, the
presidential election process,and there are no holes barred
for lies and disbelief andfinger pointing and all those
kinds of things and fingerpointing and all those kinds of
(29:30):
things which I find quitesurprising, because there are
cell phones flying live streamon the internet while they're
lying, while they're doing it,they're not red-handed and then
completely deny it.
Well, here it is on video.
How can you deny it?
Those kinds of things?
Well, here it is on video.
Well, how can you deny it?
Those kinds of things?
(29:52):
Humanity, there's a vibration atvarious levels of humanity and,
through the evolutionaryprocess of millions of years,
humans are better able to tapinto their mind and how it works
(30:14):
and how they think at variouslevels, and science has come to
terms and have identified,starting at the very beginning
of this century, in 26 or 2010,something like that that the
(30:34):
next level of evolution ofhumanity, of humankind, is now
in process, and they don't knowwhat that's going to look like.
You know there's young peopleborn in this century that
finishes the sentence of theperson next to them and they're
not identical twins or, uh, theyget this um message.
If you will uh about a friendor a relative in a different
(30:57):
place, and they pick it up andand say are you okay?
I just got this, this hit thatthat you're not okay.
How it's to know that it didhappen.
And try to be aware that youknow the way we think and how we
(31:19):
think is about to get to thenext level, which you know is
hugely important to us, theday-to-day people.
And I say it that way becausethose who survive based on power
over people, they're going tohave much less of that power.
Power is not going to be thefuture of humankind.
(31:45):
Wow, it's community, it's.
You know we're all in thistogether and I don't care what
your beliefs are or where youlive, or what you eat for dinner
or don't eat for dinner, Noneof that matters, it's.
We are all and you know I amall and all am I, I am everybody
(32:08):
out there that's listening inand thank you for doing so, and
you're part of me, okay?
So how can I war against you oranything like that?
I'd be warring against myself.
Why do I want to hurt myself?
We're all in this together.
We are all one people.
Humankind are humans.
You know.
(32:30):
There's no subspecies oranything like that, so science
can't take it down lower than ahuman being, right?
So we are now evolving into theawareness of all of us being
(32:50):
one human being, one human race,and not even using the word
race anymore, because that's thepiece.
There's winners and losers.
Well, there are no winners andlosers.
We all are right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
That's a very interesting perspective.
There are people who wouldperhaps tie that in with quantum
physics and things like thatfor people who know about those
kinds of things, but for peopleof faith it brings in the notion
(33:22):
of the oneness of God, bringingus all together in that kind of
a severe.
That would be the language morepeople of faith would
understand.
And yet there are manyscientists who are embracing
that oneness and that faithperspective as well, because
(33:45):
there's from what I'm, thelittle I know of this they're
seeing more of that oneness andrecognizing that there's far
more out there and a power, aforce, a pulse, a life, whatever
you want to call that um, aspirit, universe, god, uh, that
(34:08):
um that we still don'tunderstand.
And there's so much about thisworld and about us as humans
that there's so much morepotential there than what we
currently see and understand.
And that kind of gets into.
How do people know things aboutsomebody they've never met or a
(34:30):
relative they haven't talked tofor months and years and those
kinds of things.
Some of that some people callit ESPs.
You know all kinds of differentwords, but that there is a
reality to those things and thatoneness that you talk about and
(34:50):
for us to be able to, as faithleaders or people of faith in
leadership, to be able to tapinto that as much as possible
and bring that into ourworkforce, our life force, our
faith communities and thebroader community as well,
especially in this time whenthere's so much division and
(35:14):
divisiveness verbally on manylevels within our world as well.
So it's kind of a goodcounterbalance to some of the
other things we see going on.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
Well, ambassador Thierry, please let people know
how they can get in touch withyou if they want to learn more
about the work you do and youknow, find out about your books
and other things like that.
Please let them know how to dothat.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Go on to your search engine Bing, google, whatever
and look up Terry EarthwindNichols.
There's one in the world.
That's the easiest way toremember it Terry Earthwind
Nichols.
Earthwind is my Native Americantribal name.
Dado Onule means his breathacross the earth, right, because
(36:10):
my tribe understood that Itravel a lot and that was
appropriate.
So Earthwind, otherwise TerryNichols, there's 15 to 20,000 of
us in North America alone.
So I tell people, look up TerryEarthwind Nichols.
So I tell people, look up TerryEarthwind Nichols and you'll
find me and my books and myspeaking, my companies,
(36:33):
everything.
That's the easiest way to do it.
Or you can look up this companyright here.
That's not a bad idea either.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yeah, nichols is N-I-C-H-O-L-S.
Some people spell thatcorrectly, but yes, and it's
been.
I've thoroughly enjoyed thisconversation and there's so much
that we share in common andbackground and things like that.
It's a beautiful thing.
I hope that we can continuethis conversation at another
(37:04):
time perhaps and go deeper, butI thank you for being here and
being part of the Tilted Halotoday.
This is a podcast for women offaith and leadership who know
perfectly well that we're notperfect, but that means that we
have all kinds of room to growand to explore those beliefs and
(37:26):
new things that can come alongas well.
So thank you, terry, a greatpleasure to have you here and
God's peace and blessings to allthat you do in the world these
days.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Thank you, kathleen.
You're a wonderful person and avery loving soul, and I do hope
that we can continue ourconversation as well.
And for those of you again whoare watching this podcast, thank
you very much for doing so andif it does resonate with you, do
(38:03):
reach out to me.
Yes, I have an internationalcompany, but I'm pretty easy to
get a hold of and I speak to alland welcome all, okay, so thank
you.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Thank you.
Thank you very much, and to allof our listeners and watchers,
god's peace and blessings to youtoday as well.
You have been listening toTilted Halo with me, kathleen
Panning.
What did you think about thisepisode?
I'd really like to hear fromyou.
Leave me some comments.
Be sure to like, subscribe andshare this episode and catch
(38:37):
another upcoming episode.
For more conversation onministry life mindset and a
whole lot more, go towwwtiltedhalohelpcom, where I've
got a resource guide and otherresources waiting for you, and
be sure to say hi to me,kathleen Panning, on LinkedIn.
See you on the next episode.
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