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STAGE 5 PODCAST OVERVIEW
Stage 5 of the 2025 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift saw a major shakeup in the General Classification, thanks to a significant climb and descent right before the finish. Coaches Renee Eastman and Adam Pulford recap the stage and they're joined by guest contributor Alison Tetrick, a retired World Tour rider, commentator for The Move podcast online and on Peacock, and a long-time CTS Athlete. Ali provides personal insights on the evolution of the Women's World Tour in terms of the salaries, support, and competitive level.
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Renee Eastman is a CTS Premier Level Coach and has been coaching with the company for more than 20 years. She has been a professional bike fitter for 15 years and was one of the first fitters to use the Retül bike fit system. She has a master's degree in exercise science, has worked for USA Cycling, and is a 6-time Masters National Champion.
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Adam Pulford has been a CTS Coach for nearly two decades and holds a B.S. in Exercise Physiology. He's participated in and coached hundreds of athletes for endurance events all around the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back.
Time Crunch fans and TDFF fans.
I'm your host, coach AdamPulford.
With me again for all thesespecial editions of the Tour de
France Femme à la Zwift episodesis my co-host, rene Eastman.
Welcome back.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Good morning Adam, hey, everyone.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
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Coach, renee and I are here togive you the best podcast that
we possibly can that not onlyrecaps the women's tour, but we
also weave in coaching andtraining tips that you can apply
to your own training or you canjust learn more and appreciate
from the Women's Belt On.
So, renee, can you give us astage recap for stage five?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I sure can, adam.
And it was a doozy today.
We expected a little bit of GCaction was a doozy.
Today, we expected a little bitof GC action.
It did not disappoint.
I'm going to start with mywindow watch alert.
The last 25, 30k is real racing, so you want to devote a little
(01:39):
bit of time to this race today.
Let me start with.
There are a lot of abandonstoday.
We would take the whole podcastto name them all.
There's at least six or sevenriders either crashed out
illness, including our Olympicchampion, kristen Faulkner.
It was pretty clear yesterdaythat she wasn't feeling well.
(02:00):
We knew she was a little sick.
I saw on her instagram sheactually had.
She was sick, uh, right beforethe tour started.
So anyway, on to the raceaction.
Uh, it was pretty chaotic.
Uh, there's tailwind.
At the start there was tons ofattacking.
There were so many breaks thatI'm not going to go through them
(02:20):
all.
It was.
The main break of the day,though, was Brody Chapman,
francesca Barley in, catalinaSoto in Dykstra, and Allison
Jackson made the break again.
So she was out there workinghard.
They established about 80K togo about halfway through the
(02:42):
race.
The max lead they got was threeand a half minutes.
But once the climb started withabout 30 odd K to go, 35k to go
, the gap came down pretty quickand AJ got the first climb, but
I did see she started sufferingpretty hard on the second climb
(03:05):
.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She was absolutely dying, and you could see that
for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
She was all over the place on the bike.
I felt bad for her becausewe've all been there Just dying
slow death.
Brody Chapman was the last oneof the break, but she eventually
got kind of swept up by alittle flurry of attacks off the
front of the field.
They were off for a while butit wasn't going anywhere.
These were all people who werelike opportunists, like, uh,
(03:35):
none of the gc contenders wereattacking at that point, they
were saving it for the lastclimb and by the last climb the
field was down to 20.
It was small, it was just itwas every climb people dumped
off the back.
It wasn't like anybody wasattacking, it was just like the
pace was so hard that people arefalling off the back.
(03:55):
Um, and, as expected, that lastclimb was uh, fireworks, uh,
was Fireworks.
That bonus sprint came actuallyright before the top.
Tim LaCourte got it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I was going to say I think LaCourte PFP.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think maybe second for the time bonus and Casio's
up there too.
They went for it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I think Damien was the only one that didn't get
a time bonus.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I believe, yeah, and they after they went through
that and I think Damien was theonly one that didn't get a time
bonus, I believe.
Yeah, I recall, and after theywent through that bonus, it's
only a few people left at thefront now and, as expected, it
was a select group of ridersgoing over the top.
There were seven people.
They ended up going all to thefinish.
No surprises in that group.
(04:43):
Sarah Gigante, probably thebest climber, maybe other than
demi in the race.
Uh, kim lacorte, pinar, cassia,pfp, demi uh and abender bergen
and uh, paul paulina roy actorswe haven't talked about her
much because she's fairly quiet,except she did finish on the
(05:05):
podium of the tour last year, soshe's no joke.
Anyway, all GC favoritestotally what we expected.
They ripped down that descent.
I expected that and I am stillshaking because Cassia was full
send on that.
I don't know what you thought.
I thought she was taking toomany risks.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean I liked it.
I personally I love aggressiveracing, I love descending and
when you're risking it, you gotto send it.
I know Cassia has also beenworking on her descending skills
this past year.
If you follow her on Instagram,if you follow Taylor Finney,
you can see the intentionalityof working on some of that
(05:50):
descending.
Yes, I loved it, but she wasskipping both wheels through a
few corners.
Pfp is like no slouch on thedescent.
You can see her like theannouncers were like oh,
Pauline's getting gapped.
I think Pauline was just likeplaying it like normal and
cassia was written so you couldsee it come back together at the
(06:11):
very end of the descent.
But yeah, I liked it, but itwas kind of nerve-wracking uh,
everybody made it down safely.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That group of seven came down to the sprint and you
know the, the one who's been thebest finisher of this group all
week.
Kim LaCourte-Pinard won thestage Nearly didn't, because she
celebrated early.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We were texting back and forth like did she get it?
Did she get it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I went to set up.
This is a tip to all you allout there Do not raise your
hands before you cross thefinish line, or just don't raise
your hands If you're fromMauritius.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's maybe what they do there.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Just because it's so embarrassing when you lose the
race by celebrating early.
But she didn't.
She won the race, she knew shehad it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
She was the snappiest she knew she had it.
She was the snappiest she knewshe had it.
She was confident andcelebrated.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Demi was second, so looking good after that crash,
my pick for the day.
Anna Van Der Breggen third, soI'm pretty pleased with my pick.
The end result of that is atotal reshuffle of the GC.
Kim LaCourte's in yellow, andthen we've got in the top five
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Pauline, Demi, Cassia andEvander Bergen, and they're all
within 30 seconds.
Those are the logical top fiveto be up there.
So it should be a pretty goodrace, because the next few days
and we'll talk about tomorrowsoon, Uh, now we're getting into
the mountains yeah, and justfinally, no changes in green or
(07:57):
the polka dots or the whitejersey.
Those are all status quo.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yes, indeed, yeah, that's a big recap there, renee,
holy moly.
And I didn't get a chance tolook at the GC before we hopped
on here, but I'm going to go andcheck to see where Vanda Bregan
is.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
She's in fifth, about 27 seconds down, I think okay,
um, and after all that, adam, Ineed to take a break, so let me
pass it over over to you.
Um, I want you to introduce ourguest contributor today.
Um, I really we both wanted anexpert to talk about women's
(08:37):
racing, some of the changes inwomen's racing.
We found a very qualifiedperson to tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes, yes, ms Allison Tetrick is our lead person on
that.
She is a CTS athlete.
I've been working with her foralmost 10 years now.
Before that, dean Golich washer coach.
I talk about Dean on thispodcast quite a bit, but she's a
former pro tour racer and shehas a bronze medal at the UCI
(09:06):
World Time Trial Championships.
She's also the queen of gravel,winning the Gravel World
Championships twice, and back in2022, she was inducted into the
Gravel Hall of Fame twice, andback in 2022, she was inducted
into the gravel hall of fame.
So she's a thing.
She's also I mentioned she wasa, or she is a co-host on the
(09:26):
move to a France from a Zwiftpodcast, but in her spare time
from bikes and all that kind ofstuff, she's a molecular
biologist so crazy Right.
And she's always had a sidehustle doing what she's doing.
And it's a good reminder of howthe women's Peloton has really
changed over the years, becauseteams and salaries have grown to
(09:48):
the point now where having aside hustle or an extra job
isn't always necessary, thoughthere's only a few making
millions at the top.
So let's listen to what Allisonhas to say about how this sport
has evolved since she's been inthe pro peloton.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Now you're looking at some major things that have
happened in professional cyclingthat have made a big difference
in increasing theprofessionalism.
I mean we have minimum salaries.
Of course it's lower than themen's, but there is a minimum
salary for World Tour teams tobe able to enter that status,
which I think is really huge.
My first pro contract I got Ithink I had to buy my bike at
(10:28):
the end of the year and then Itopped out at the end of my
career doing quite well, butthere's a lot of that still
doing quite well, but there's alot of that still Um.
But I think now you're lookingat superstars like Damien
Vollerine, who's making over amillion euro a year um signing
deals with Nike and being anincredible spokesperson for
(10:49):
women's cycling, and that isjust through the visibility um
that women's cycling is gettingwomen's sports in general.
You look at this entiremovement with soccer and, of
course, the Tour deFrance-France of X-Wift is huge,
just where I believe visibilityis viability.
So the more you watch women'ssports, the more women win.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Allie really said it best visibility equals viability
and things have changed.
She mentioned the minimumsalaries.
In 2020, the UCI establishedminimum salaries for women
Because before that you didn'thave to pay them anything.
A lot of women were makingmaybe 10 grand a year, maybe up
(11:34):
to 40 grand a year.
It's some making a little bitmore than that, but just to put
in perspective for you guys, theminimum salaries uh range from
42 to about 70 000 dollars, uhat the the world tour.
So that's the uh fdj, uh sdworks.
Now that's the minimum salaries.
(11:56):
You know there's room.
She's made comment that there'srumors that Demi's making as
much as a million.
I don't know if I believe that,because the rumors about, like,
what the biggest stars aremaking Capecchi and we miss, and
even Voss, or around the$300,000 mark and those are the
like primo stars.
(12:17):
And just to put it inperspective, even on the on the
men's side, they $300,000 markand those are the Primo stars.
And just to put it inperspective, even on the men's
side they had those same minimumsalaries.
But even if you're a domestiqueschlepping bottles, you're
making $150,000 or maybe even$250,000.
Anybody whose name you've heardof is making well over $500,000
.
And then the top names are like$3-4 million.
You know your Primo's WorldGlitz and your Routban Arts, and
(12:40):
I think Pokachar is making like9 million or something.
So you know, cycling's not avery high paying sport as
professional sports go.
But you know, even compared tothe men and the women, the women
are like not even halfway there.
So we have a long way to go,but it's progress, so that these
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women on the world tour nowthey don't have to have jobs to
make a living.
But it is a good point thatmost of these women are educated
, either went to school beforethey became a professional
(13:27):
cyclist or maybe even had acareer before they came to
professional cycling.
I can think of a couple off thetop of our head that we already
mentioned, like AliciaAbbey's's, a doctor, marlin
ruser's, a doctor, uh.
Kristin, uh uh.
Faulkner was a venturecapitalist.
You know, these women eitherhave had careers before or going
(13:49):
into often uh, careers after,because even though things are
better, you can't retire off of70 grand a year.
You can barely pay yourmortgage on that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I'll chime in here and just say that, having
coached now for years and havingathletes like Allie go from pro
tour to professional person,helping them bridge that gap in
the way, taking what we learnfrom the bike and applying it to
business or applying it to life, that's something that I now
(14:26):
try to instill into my juniors,and even when they're 18 and
they're getting fired up abouttheir first big team contract
and all this kind of stuff, I'llalways say yeah, but let's like
you know, big team contract andall this kind of stuff, I'll
always say yeah, but let's like,honestly, let's finish the
degree, because you're onlygoing to be a bike racer for so
long, you know, hopefully untilyou're 41, like Mavi Garcia,
(14:50):
Right, but like at some pointyou're going to hang it up and
at some point you need to movebeyond.
And there there is actually ahuge market.
The people love to hire strongwomen and men that know how to
take that winning mentality fromathletics and be able to apply
it to the sales team thatthey're on or the CEO position
that they're going to apply foror something like that.
(15:11):
So it's like kind of woventhroughout my and I don't know,
hopefully my juniors listen tome, but it's like okay, what did
you learn out there today?
You know what I mean.
And then I try to weave it intolife.
So I feel like maybe I'm not aparent, but I sometimes feel
like it because I'm like I wantyou to learn these lessons.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean, even if , uh, you were making a lot of
money, Maybe, maybe you are Demiand you are making that million
dollars.
Um, an accident, an injury, canend your career.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's huge.
I think in any sport, men's andwomen's to.
You know, look beyond just thesport itself, because, athletes,
you have a time, you have alifespan in that sport, but you
have a lifespan that growsbeyond the sport.
So I think she nailed it on afew things in that video.
Let's go to the next videowhere she talks about Kim
(16:04):
LaCourte Panera, and she's got agreat story there.
Not only is it today's stagewinner, but she also retook the
yellow jersey.
So let's see what Allie had tosay about Kim LaCourte took the
yellow jersey.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So let's uh see what ali had to say about kim lacorte
.
Kim lacorte and she wasactually racing lacorse with me
in 2014 on a different team andshe was making zero salary.
She was worried about how shewas going to eat.
She comes from this southafrica at the time, but also
from mauritius, a tiny island um2 000 miles outside in the
Indian Ocean, and she justdidn't think it was sustainable
for her to become a professionalcyclist.
(16:41):
So she stopped for a while andnow she pled and her husband and
her wrote letters to everysingle World Tour team in 2024.
She signed with AQ Insurance,sudol and then, of course, one
Amstel Gold, and then also worethe leader's jersey already here
(17:02):
at the Tour de France Farm ofX-Wift.
So that's just showing youwhere, first of all, you can
dream and try really hard, butthe level of professionalism is
just getting higher and higher.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
What a story, wow, amazing.
It just goes to show progressisn't just about paychecks or
podiums, it's about beliefs.
Stories like Kim's tells uswhat's possible if you keep
going.
You know, she's not only thefirst African stage winner of
the Tour de France FEMS, she'salso the first yellow jersey
(17:32):
from Africa from the Tour deFrance FEMS, now for the second
time, because she took thejersey back today.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean, it's huge and I think that you can
dream big.
If you don't do anything withit, you won't go anywhere.
But if you dream big, you tryhard, you try again and you
believe in yourself and you gotpeople around you who believe in
you and you keep on working.
Then the dream starts to becomereality.
Who?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
believe in you and you keep on working, then the
dream starts to become reality.
Yeah Well, things have changeda lot in the last 10 years.
Since Kim LaCourte was making$0 and couldn't find a team and
almost gave up on her dream andI mentioned since 2020, and the
UCI minimum salaries came in.
Other things have also kind ofcome along came in.
Other things have also kind ofcome along really high profile
(18:17):
races like Paris-Roubaix, likethe Tour de France, fems, and
with that, you know the highervisibility, more eyeballs on it.
More sponsorships means moremoney coming into the sport,
which means that teams arebigger, and that's been a
dramatic change in the women'sPeloton over the last few years.
(18:40):
We've been talking a little bitabout Anna Vandenberg again.
She retired back in 2021.
Then she's coming back out ofretirement this year to try to
dominate again and while she'sstill very, very good now,
there's a whole crop of peoplewho are as good as she is, if
not even better.
And in our next video, ali isgoing to talk a little bit about
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how the level of the sport haschanged in the last few years.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The level has gotten so much higher, and I think
that's because more people areinvesting in the sport.
Of course, the professionalismis going up because there's more
money in the sport, the teamsare getting bigger, they're
getting more analytical ontraining and providing these
things like altitude camps, thebest bikes, the best nutrition
plans, the best coaches Adam isthe best coach in my opinion,
(19:29):
and so that's an interestingthing to look at.
So this woman, anna right, it'stop of her game in 2021.
And she's coming back fouryears later going.
It's even gotten better then.
So I think it's really exciting.
I mean, of course, there's along way to go, but we have to
start somewhere, and at onepoint, I would like to see us
talking about just the bike race, not talking about how far
(19:53):
women's cycling has come, butjust being like look at this
badass bike race.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
She's definitely right.
This is a badass bike race.
You know what we're seeing out.
There is not just good racing,it's like next level We've been
talking about all week.
It's like so competitive, youknow, just look at that front
group today.
You know seven ladies who Ithink any one of them could win.
(20:18):
You know, we'll see who does.
But a few years ago it was likethe anime fan gluten show where
just she would ride off thefront and the level come up.
It's really evolved and I knowyou've coached Allie for a long
(20:43):
time and you know through kindof the progression of low budget
teams to higher budget teamsand now you're coaching athletes
on the uh world tour at thevery best teams like Allison
Jackson on EF Oatley.
(21:03):
And I just wondered what, whatyou see as the differences at
that world tour level now, likejust simply the level of
professionalism.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, well, again, I think that the evolution is
positive.
I think, you know, paying thesewomen more is is really
positive and they're still lowerthan they should in my opinion,
but they're evolving to wherethe men are going and that's
great.
I think the infrastructure,like the model, is built on the
men's model of sorts, where themen's model, you know, now has
(21:40):
soigneurs and chefs and highperformance directors and lowly
coaches every once in a while,like myself.
Um, as well as you know, ds isthat, instead of being like uh
from the men's Peloton that usedto race for some, you know,
friend of a friend directing,now it's former pro tour women
(22:01):
that are coming on and beingdirecting.
So I think that, like, it'sevolving in a very positive way.
The contracts are gettingbigger and the athletes
themselves, they have agents tonegotiate.
That that is helping it to makeit more professional as well.
Meanwhile, I think I mentionedeither yesterday's episode, I
(22:21):
think, where a lot of teams areworking with you know, coaches,
directors and so on.
You're just kind of all in ahouse, which is awesome because
it, it, it that does create agreat environment to where
athletes can can grow and havegood success and more stable, as
opposed to, uh, just like goingand doing your own thing, for,
you know, six to eight monthsout of the year, coming in
(22:43):
racing for a little bit here andthere and hoping that there's a
mechanic.
You know, that's.
That's where it was not toolong ago.
So at the world tour level, itis um, blossom nicely it's.
It's going to continue to grow.
I believe in that and it'sgoing to keep on growing if
viewers keep on watching it,keep on getting to the races,
keep on investing in saying thatwe want to watch this more.
(23:06):
So the more eyes that are on it, the more sponsors and media
outlets and more podcasts likethis are going to happen.
Right, to just keep onspreading that word and growing
the message and saying, yeah, wecare about this, so keep
putting more out there.
So I think that's a positive.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and Allie has a last little contribution for us
.
I think she really wraps it upway better than I or you could
say it, so let's let her talkabout what this moment really
means.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's just a big thanks to companies like Zwift,
which are the title sponsor notonly of my show on the move but
the Tour de France Femme AvecZwift, where they believe in the
value and the ROI of investingin women's sports and they can
actually see the more theyinvest they can actually get
that ROI in their company.
So I think that's prettyfascinating.
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I'm super proud of all theseladies out there racing and the
discrepancies are quite largebetween some of the smaller
teams and the larger teams.
But to have that opportunity tocompete at the world's biggest
race for women's cycling on thebiggest stage, creating
sponsorship dollars,storytelling it's huge.
So this is only the beginning.
(24:26):
It's going to keep going up,but one day we're not going to
be like what does women'scycling need more?
How can it be more professionalit's just going to be.
Look at this amazingprofessional sport that's
sustainable, viable andcompletely worth it for every
athlete to compete in or dreamabout, because that's also what
we're seeing.
We're seeing young girlswatching this race, and today we
(24:49):
had this young woman that waspracticing marion voss's salute
and and so really like, if youcan see it, you can believe it,
and and with that increase ofprofessionalism, that's exactly
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So visibility equals viability and you know, for
every girl, little girl outthere watching now, they can
dream about having a yellowjersey.
That didn't exist before, thatdidn't exist when I was a kid,
that didn't exist when Allie wasa kid and it didn't exist
(25:23):
before four years ago.
So if you see it, you canbelieve it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I love to see where the sport's going.
So with that said, renee, I'dsay let's talk about tomorrow's
stage.
Adam, this race is going to beshook up again tomorrow because
now we are going to head intothe proper mountains in stage
six.
My note before today is goingto say tomorrow is the first
(26:02):
real gc day, when I think todaywas, but tomorrow will be as
well.
Uh, the climbing starts about30 kilometers in.
There's a couple of smallercategory three climbs, but the
big climb of the day is the 10kilometer Col de Belle, and
after that there's only a shortdescent till you get to the
category two climb after thatand those two back climbs are
(26:25):
going to separate the field.
Now those big mountains top outwith about 30K to go and the
run-in is not flat.
There's a kind of uncategorizedclimb in there.
It's a little lumpy roll intothe finish.
I have no idea who's going towin, so I'm going to pick Puck
(26:50):
Peterson.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, that's a good pick, but she wasn't there today
, renee.
I know she wasn't there today,renee.
I know she wasn't there today.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But now she's going to.
They're going to give her someleash now.
She lost some time today.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
If they give her leash, yes, but I would say, for
how fiery and aggressive and Imean really all the GCs were up
there today, I imagine that it'sgoing to be something similar
to that day.
I imagine that it's going to besomething similar to that, um,
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna crossfingers and hope that my girl,
pfp, uh, does it again.
That's probably going to be mypick overall, but Damien was
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coming in hot, so I she finished.
Well, uh, today, good snap,they're all climbing.
They're all climbing reallywell.
Uh, puck's a good pick.
I'm going to, I'm going to hangmy hat on, uh, pauline.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So yeah, I think you're right.
It's probably going to be justthose same five, six, seven gals
up the front.
You're probably right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, well, uh, I'm going to be tuning in tomorrow
cause it is going to be anexciting stage, uh, but we'll
wrap it up here for today.
And special thanks to AlisonTetrick for taking time to make
that video while she's over inAspen doing the move podcast
with Lance and good friend Mari,who spoiler alert, you'll
(28:08):
probably hear Mari Holden comeon the podcast here in a few
days talking about what it meansto be a director and athlete
and all that kind of stuff, butwe'll save that for later.
So, special thanks to Tetrickfor that content and, uh, renee
for making this happen onceagain, and, of course, to
everybody listening, ouraudience.
You are crushing it.
We're getting over 10,000 views, um, on Instagram and YouTube
(28:32):
again.
Keep on sharing that, becauseit's going to.
It's going to grow and it'sonly going to help the women's
Tour de France Femme avec Zwiftgrow even more.
So thank you for that and,renee, we keep on going.
I think I need a gel or somedark cherry juice at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Me too, adam.
All right, we'll see youtomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
All right, thanks, renee.
Welcome back.
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So, renee, can you give us astage recap for stage five?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I sure can, adam.
And it was a doozy today.
We expected a little bit of GCaction was a doozy.
Today, we expected a little bitof GC action.
It did not disappoint.
I'm going to start with mywindow watch alert.
The last 25, 30k is real racing, so you want to devote a little
(01:39):
bit of time to this race today.
Let me start with.
There are a lot of abandonstoday.
We would take the whole podcastto name them all.
There's at least six or sevenriders either crashed out
illness, including our Olympicchampion, kristen Faulkner.
It was pretty clear yesterdaythat she wasn't feeling well.
(02:00):
We knew she was a little sick.
I saw on her instagram sheactually had.
She was sick, uh, right beforethe tour started.
So anyway, on to the raceaction.
Uh, it was pretty chaotic.
Uh, there's tailwind.
At the start there was tons ofattacking.
There were so many breaks thatI'm not going to go through them
(02:20):
all.
It was.
The main break of the day,though, was Brody Chapman,
francesca Barley in, catalinaSoto in Dykstra, and Allison
Jackson made the break again.
So she was out there workinghard.
They established about 80K togo about halfway through the
(02:42):
race.
The max lead they got was threeand a half minutes.
But once the climb started withabout 30 odd K to go, 35k to go
, the gap came down pretty quickand AJ got the first climb, but
I did see she started sufferingpretty hard on the second climb
(03:05):
.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
She was absolutely dying, and you could see that
for sure.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
She was all over the place on the bike.
I felt bad for her becausewe've all been there Just dying
slow death.
Brody Chapman was the last oneof the break, but she eventually
got kind of swept up by alittle flurry of attacks off the
front of the field.
They were off for a while butit wasn't going anywhere.
These were all people who werelike opportunists, like, uh,
(03:35):
none of the gc contenders wereattacking at that point, they
were saving it for the lastclimb and by the last climb the
field was down to 20.
It was small, it was just itwas every climb people dumped
off the back.
It wasn't like anybody wasattacking, it was just like the
pace was so hard that people arefalling off the back.
(03:55):
Um, and, as expected, that lastclimb was uh, fireworks, uh,
was Fireworks.
That bonus sprint came actuallyright before the top.
Tim LaCourte got it.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
I was going to say I think LaCourte PFP.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I think maybe second for the time bonus and Casio's
up there too.
They went for it.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
And I think Damien was the only one that didn't get
a time bonus.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I believe, yeah, and they after they went through
that and I think Damien was theonly one that didn't get a time
bonus, I believe.
Yeah, I recall, and after theywent through that bonus, it's
only a few people left at thefront now and, as expected, it
was a select group of ridersgoing over the top.
There were seven people.
They ended up going all to thefinish.
No surprises in that group.
(04:43):
Sarah Gigante, probably thebest climber, maybe other than
demi in the race.
Uh, kim lacorte, pinar, cassia,pfp, demi uh and abender bergen
and uh, paul paulina roy actorswe haven't talked about her
much because she's fairly quiet,except she did finish on the
(05:05):
podium of the tour last year, soshe's no joke.
Anyway, all GC favoritestotally what we expected.
They ripped down that descent.
I expected that and I am stillshaking because Cassia was full
send on that.
I don't know what you thought.
I thought she was taking toomany risks.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
I mean I liked it.
I personally I love aggressiveracing, I love descending and
when you're risking it, you gotto send it.
I know Cassia has also beenworking on her descending skills
this past year.
If you follow her on Instagram,if you follow Taylor Finney,
you can see the intentionalityof working on some of that
(05:50):
descending.
Yes, I loved it, but she wasskipping both wheels through a
few corners.
Pfp is like no slouch on thedescent.
You can see her like theannouncers were like oh,
Pauline's getting gapped.
I think Pauline was just likeplaying it like normal and
cassia was written so you couldsee it come back together at the
(06:11):
very end of the descent.
But yeah, I liked it, but itwas kind of nerve-wracking uh,
everybody made it down safely.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
That group of seven came down to the sprint and you
know the, the one who's been thebest finisher of this group all
week.
Kim LaCourte-Pinard won thestage Nearly didn't, because she
celebrated early.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
We were texting back and forth like did she get it?
Did she get it?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I went to set up.
This is a tip to all you allout there Do not raise your
hands before you cross thefinish line, or just don't raise
your hands If you're fromMauritius.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
That's maybe what they do there.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Just because it's so embarrassing when you lose the
race by celebrating early.
But she didn't.
She won the race, she knew shehad it.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
She was the snappiest she knew she had it.
She was the snappiest she knewshe had it.
She was confident andcelebrated.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Demi was second, so looking good after that crash,
my pick for the day.
Anna Van Der Breggen third, soI'm pretty pleased with my pick.
The end result of that is atotal reshuffle of the GC.
Kim LaCourte's in yellow, andthen we've got in the top five
(07:32):
Pauline, Demi, Cassia andEvander Bergen, and they're all
within 30 seconds.
Those are the logical top fiveto be up there.
So it should be a pretty goodrace, because the next few days
and we'll talk about tomorrowsoon, Uh, now we're getting into
the mountains yeah, and justfinally, no changes in green or
(07:57):
the polka dots or the whitejersey.
Those are all status quo.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yes, indeed, yeah, that's a big recap there, renee,
holy moly.
And I didn't get a chance tolook at the GC before we hopped
on here, but I'm going to go andcheck to see where Vanda Bregan
is.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
She's in fifth, about 27 seconds down, I think okay,
um, and after all that, adam, Ineed to take a break, so let me
pass it over over to you.
Um, I want you to introduce ourguest contributor today.
Um, I really we both wanted anexpert to talk about women's
(08:37):
racing, some of the changes inwomen's racing.
We found a very qualifiedperson to tell us about that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Yes, yes, ms Allison Tetrick is our lead person on
that.
She is a CTS athlete.
I've been working with her foralmost 10 years now.
Before that, dean Golich washer coach.
I talk about Dean on thispodcast quite a bit, but she's a
former pro tour racer and shehas a bronze medal at the UCI
(09:06):
World Time Trial Championships.
She's also the queen of gravel,winning the Gravel World
Championships twice, and back in2022, she was inducted into the
Gravel Hall of Fame twice, andback in 2022, she was inducted
into the gravel hall of fame.
So she's a thing.
She's also I mentioned she wasa, or she is a co-host on the
(09:26):
move to a France from a Zwiftpodcast, but in her spare time
from bikes and all that kind ofstuff, she's a molecular
biologist so crazy Right.
And she's always had a sidehustle doing what she's doing.
And it's a good reminder of howthe women's Peloton has really
changed over the years, becauseteams and salaries have grown to
(09:48):
the point now where having aside hustle or an extra job
isn't always necessary, thoughthere's only a few making
millions at the top.
So let's listen to what Allisonhas to say about how this sport
has evolved since she's been inthe pro peloton.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Now you're looking at some major things that have
happened in professional cyclingthat have made a big difference
in increasing theprofessionalism.
I mean we have minimum salaries.
Of course it's lower than themen's, but there is a minimum
salary for World Tour teams tobe able to enter that status,
which I think is really huge.
My first pro contract I got Ithink I had to buy my bike at
(10:28):
the end of the year and then Itopped out at the end of my
career doing quite well, butthere's a lot of that still
doing quite well, but there's alot of that still Um.
But I think now you're lookingat superstars like Damien
Vollerine, who's making over amillion euro a year um signing
deals with Nike and being anincredible spokesperson for
(10:49):
women's cycling, and that isjust through the visibility um
that women's cycling is gettingwomen's sports in general.
You look at this entiremovement with soccer and, of
course, the Tour deFrance-France of X-Wift is huge,
just where I believe visibilityis viability.
So the more you watch women'ssports, the more women win.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Allie really said it best visibility equals viability
and things have changed.
She mentioned the minimumsalaries.
In 2020, the UCI establishedminimum salaries for women
Because before that you didn'thave to pay them anything.
A lot of women were makingmaybe 10 grand a year, maybe up
(11:34):
to 40 grand a year.
It's some making a little bitmore than that, but just to put
in perspective for you guys, theminimum salaries uh range from
42 to about 70 000 dollars, uhat the the world tour.
So that's the uh fdj, uh sdworks.
Now that's the minimum salaries.
(11:56):
You know there's room.
She's made comment that there'srumors that Demi's making as
much as a million.
I don't know if I believe that,because the rumors about, like,
what the biggest stars aremaking Capecchi and we miss, and
even Voss, or around the$300,000 mark and those are the
like primo stars.
(12:17):
And just to put it inperspective, even on the on the
men's side, they $300,000 markand those are the Primo stars.
And just to put it inperspective, even on the men's
side they had those same minimumsalaries.
But even if you're a domestiqueschlepping bottles, you're
making $150,000 or maybe even$250,000.
Anybody whose name you've heardof is making well over $500,000
.
And then the top names are like$3-4 million.
You know your Primo's WorldGlitz and your Routban Arts, and
(12:40):
I think Pokachar is making like9 million or something.
So you know, cycling's not avery high paying sport as
professional sports go.
But you know, even compared tothe men and the women, the women
are like not even halfway there.
So we have a long way to go,but it's progress, so that these
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women on the world tour nowthey don't have to have jobs to
make a living.
But it is a good point thatmost of these women are educated
, either went to school beforethey became a professional
(13:27):
cyclist or maybe even had acareer before they came to
professional cycling.
I can think of a couple off thetop of our head that we already
mentioned, like AliciaAbbey's's, a doctor, marlin
ruser's, a doctor, uh.
Kristin, uh uh.
Faulkner was a venturecapitalist.
You know, these women eitherhave had careers before or going
(13:49):
into often uh, careers after,because even though things are
better, you can't retire off of70 grand a year.
You can barely pay yourmortgage on that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
And I'll chime in here and just say that, having
coached now for years and havingathletes like Allie go from pro
tour to professional person,helping them bridge that gap in
the way, taking what we learnfrom the bike and applying it to
business or applying it to life, that's something that I now
(14:26):
try to instill into my juniors,and even when they're 18 and
they're getting fired up abouttheir first big team contract
and all this kind of stuff, I'llalways say yeah, but let's like
you know, big team contract andall this kind of stuff, I'll
always say yeah, but let's like,honestly, let's finish the
degree, because you're onlygoing to be a bike racer for so
long, you know, hopefully untilyou're 41, like Mavi Garcia,
(14:50):
Right, but like at some pointyou're going to hang it up and
at some point you need to movebeyond.
And there there is actually ahuge market.
The people love to hire strongwomen and men that know how to
take that winning mentality fromathletics and be able to apply
it to the sales team thatthey're on or the CEO position
that they're going to apply foror something like that.
(15:11):
So it's like kind of woventhroughout my and I don't know,
hopefully my juniors listen tome, but it's like okay, what did
you learn out there today?
You know what I mean.
And then I try to weave it intolife.
So I feel like maybe I'm not aparent, but I sometimes feel
like it because I'm like I wantyou to learn these lessons.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yeah, I mean, even if , uh, you were making a lot of
money, Maybe, maybe you are Demiand you are making that million
dollars.
Um, an accident, an injury, canend your career.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
It's huge.
I think in any sport, men's andwomen's to.
You know, look beyond just thesport itself, because, athletes,
you have a time, you have alifespan in that sport, but you
have a lifespan that growsbeyond the sport.
So I think she nailed it on afew things in that video.
Let's go to the next videowhere she talks about Kim
(16:04):
LaCourte Panera, and she's got agreat story there.
Not only is it today's stagewinner, but she also retook the
yellow jersey.
So let's see what Allie had tosay about Kim LaCourte took the
yellow jersey.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
So let's uh see what ali had to say about kim lacorte
.
Kim lacorte and she wasactually racing lacorse with me
in 2014 on a different team andshe was making zero salary.
She was worried about how shewas going to eat.
She comes from this southafrica at the time, but also
from mauritius, a tiny island um2 000 miles outside in the
Indian Ocean, and she justdidn't think it was sustainable
for her to become a professionalcyclist.
(16:41):
So she stopped for a while andnow she pled and her husband and
her wrote letters to everysingle World Tour team in 2024.
She signed with AQ Insurance,sudol and then, of course, one
Amstel Gold, and then also worethe leader's jersey already here
(17:02):
at the Tour de France Farm ofX-Wift.
So that's just showing youwhere, first of all, you can
dream and try really hard, butthe level of professionalism is
just getting higher and higher.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
What a story, wow, amazing.
It just goes to show progressisn't just about paychecks or
podiums, it's about beliefs.
Stories like Kim's tells uswhat's possible if you keep
going.
You know, she's not only thefirst African stage winner of
the Tour de France FEMS, she'salso the first yellow jersey
(17:32):
from Africa from the Tour deFrance FEMS, now for the second
time, because she took thejersey back today.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean, it's huge and I think that you can
dream big.
If you don't do anything withit, you won't go anywhere.
But if you dream big, you tryhard, you try again and you
believe in yourself and you gotpeople around you who believe in
you and you keep on working.
Then the dream starts to becomereality.
Who?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
believe in you and you keep on working, then the
dream starts to become reality.
Yeah Well, things have changeda lot in the last 10 years.
Since Kim LaCourte was making$0 and couldn't find a team and
almost gave up on her dream andI mentioned since 2020, and the
UCI minimum salaries came in.
Other things have also kind ofcome along came in.
Other things have also kind ofcome along really high profile
(18:17):
races like Paris-Roubaix, likethe Tour de France, fems, and
with that, you know the highervisibility, more eyeballs on it.
More sponsorships means moremoney coming into the sport,
which means that teams arebigger, and that's been a
dramatic change in the women'sPeloton over the last few years.
(18:40):
We've been talking a little bitabout Anna Vandenberg again.
She retired back in 2021.
Then she's coming back out ofretirement this year to try to
dominate again and while she'sstill very, very good now,
there's a whole crop of peoplewho are as good as she is, if
not even better.
And in our next video, ali isgoing to talk a little bit about
(19:03):
how the level of the sport haschanged in the last few years.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
The level has gotten so much higher, and I think
that's because more people areinvesting in the sport.
Of course, the professionalismis going up because there's more
money in the sport, the teamsare getting bigger, they're
getting more analytical ontraining and providing these
things like altitude camps, thebest bikes, the best nutrition
plans, the best coaches Adam isthe best coach in my opinion,
(19:29):
and so that's an interestingthing to look at.
So this woman, anna right, it'stop of her game in 2021.
And she's coming back fouryears later going.
It's even gotten better then.
So I think it's really exciting.
I mean, of course, there's along way to go, but we have to
start somewhere, and at onepoint, I would like to see us
talking about just the bike race, not talking about how far
(19:53):
women's cycling has come, butjust being like look at this
badass bike race.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
She's definitely right.
This is a badass bike race.
You know what we're seeing out.
There is not just good racing,it's like next level We've been
talking about all week.
It's like so competitive, youknow, just look at that front
group today.
You know seven ladies who Ithink any one of them could win.
(20:18):
You know, we'll see who does.
But a few years ago it was likethe anime fan gluten show where
just she would ride off thefront and the level come up.
It's really evolved and I knowyou've coached Allie for a long
(20:43):
time and you know through kindof the progression of low budget
teams to higher budget teamsand now you're coaching athletes
on the uh world tour at thevery best teams like Allison
Jackson on EF Oatley.
(21:03):
And I just wondered what, whatyou see as the differences at
that world tour level now, likejust simply the level of
professionalism.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, well, again, I think that the evolution is
positive.
I think, you know, paying thesewomen more is is really
positive and they're still lowerthan they should in my opinion,
but they're evolving to wherethe men are going and that's
great.
I think the infrastructure,like the model, is built on the
men's model of sorts, where themen's model, you know, now has
(21:40):
soigneurs and chefs and highperformance directors and lowly
coaches every once in a while,like myself.
Um, as well as you know, ds isthat, instead of being like uh
from the men's Peloton that usedto race for some, you know,
friend of a friend directing,now it's former pro tour women
(22:01):
that are coming on and beingdirecting.
So I think that, like, it'sevolving in a very positive way.
The contracts are gettingbigger and the athletes
themselves, they have agents tonegotiate.
That that is helping it to makeit more professional as well.
Meanwhile, I think I mentionedeither yesterday's episode, I
(22:21):
think, where a lot of teams areworking with you know, coaches,
directors and so on.
You're just kind of all in ahouse, which is awesome because
it, it, it that does create agreat environment to where
athletes can can grow and havegood success and more stable, as
opposed to, uh, just like goingand doing your own thing, for,
you know, six to eight monthsout of the year, coming in
(22:43):
racing for a little bit here andthere and hoping that there's a
mechanic.
You know, that's.
That's where it was not toolong ago.
So at the world tour level, itis um, blossom nicely it's.
It's going to continue to grow.
I believe in that and it'sgoing to keep on growing if
viewers keep on watching it,keep on getting to the races,
keep on investing in saying thatwe want to watch this more.
(23:06):
So the more eyes that are on it, the more sponsors and media
outlets and more podcasts likethis are going to happen.
Right, to just keep onspreading that word and growing
the message and saying, yeah, wecare about this, so keep
putting more out there.
So I think that's a positive.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, and Allie has a last little contribution for us
.
I think she really wraps it upway better than I or you could
say it, so let's let her talkabout what this moment really
means.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
It's just a big thanks to companies like Zwift,
which are the title sponsor notonly of my show on the move but
the Tour de France Femme AvecZwift, where they believe in the
value and the ROI of investingin women's sports and they can
actually see the more theyinvest they can actually get
that ROI in their company.
So I think that's prettyfascinating.
(24:05):
I'm super proud of all theseladies out there racing and the
discrepancies are quite largebetween some of the smaller
teams and the larger teams.
But to have that opportunity tocompete at the world's biggest
race for women's cycling on thebiggest stage, creating
sponsorship dollars,storytelling it's huge.
So this is only the beginning.
(24:26):
It's going to keep going up,but one day we're not going to
be like what does women'scycling need more?
How can it be more professionalit's just going to be.
Look at this amazingprofessional sport that's
sustainable, viable andcompletely worth it for every
athlete to compete in or dreamabout, because that's also what
we're seeing.
We're seeing young girlswatching this race, and today we
(24:49):
had this young woman that waspracticing marion voss's salute
and and so really like, if youcan see it, you can believe it,
and and with that increase ofprofessionalism, that's exactly
what's happening.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
So visibility equals viability and you know, for
every girl, little girl outthere watching now, they can
dream about having a yellowjersey.
That didn't exist before, thatdidn't exist when I was a kid,
that didn't exist when Allie wasa kid and it didn't exist
(25:23):
before four years ago.
So if you see it, you canbelieve it.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I love to see where the sport's going.
So with that said, renee, I'dsay let's talk about tomorrow's
stage.
Adam, this race is going to beshook up again tomorrow because
now we are going to head intothe proper mountains in stage
six.
My note before today is goingto say tomorrow is the first
(26:02):
real gc day, when I think todaywas, but tomorrow will be as
well.
Uh, the climbing starts about30 kilometers in.
There's a couple of smallercategory three climbs, but the
big climb of the day is the 10kilometer Col de Belle, and
after that there's only a shortdescent till you get to the
category two climb after thatand those two back climbs are
(26:25):
going to separate the field.
Now those big mountains top outwith about 30K to go and the
run-in is not flat.
There's a kind of uncategorizedclimb in there.
It's a little lumpy roll intothe finish.
I have no idea who's going towin, so I'm going to pick Puck
(26:50):
Peterson.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Yeah, that's a good pick, but she wasn't there today
, renee.
I know she wasn't there today,renee.
I know she wasn't there today.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
But now she's going to.
They're going to give her someleash now.
She lost some time today.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
If they give her leash, yes, but I would say, for
how fiery and aggressive and Imean really all the GCs were up
there today, I imagine that it'sgoing to be something similar
to that day.
I imagine that it's going to besomething similar to that, um,
and I'm gonna, I'm gonna crossfingers and hope that my girl,
pfp, uh, does it again.
That's probably going to be mypick overall, but Damien was
(27:25):
coming in hot, so I she finished.
Well, uh, today, good snap,they're all climbing.
They're all climbing reallywell.
Uh, puck's a good pick.
I'm going to, I'm going to hangmy hat on, uh, pauline.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
So yeah, I think you're right.
It's probably going to be justthose same five, six, seven gals
up the front.
You're probably right, yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, well, uh, I'm going to be tuning in tomorrow
cause it is going to be anexciting stage, uh, but we'll
wrap it up here for today.
And special thanks to AlisonTetrick for taking time to make
that video while she's over inAspen doing the move podcast
with Lance and good friend Mari,who spoiler alert, you'll
(28:08):
probably hear Mari Holden comeon the podcast here in a few
days talking about what it meansto be a director and athlete
and all that kind of stuff, butwe'll save that for later.
So, special thanks to Tetrickfor that content and, uh, renee
for making this happen onceagain, and, of course, to
everybody listening, ouraudience.
You are crushing it.
We're getting over 10,000 views, um, on Instagram and YouTube
(28:32):
again.
Keep on sharing that, becauseit's going to.
It's going to grow and it'sonly going to help the women's
Tour de France Femme avec Zwiftgrow even more.
So thank you for that and,renee, we keep on going.
I think I need a gel or somedark cherry juice at this point.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Me too, adam.
All right, we'll see youtomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
All right, thanks, renee.
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