July 28, 2025 • 29 mins
Welcome to the Tour de France Femmes Podcast, from the producers of "The Time-Crunched Cyclist Podcast"
CTS will publish daily Tour de France Femmes podcasts with Coaches Adam Pulford and Renee Eastman. They'll recap the stage, but the unique aspect of these podcasts will be coaching insights about how athletes prepare for the demands showcased in that day's stage.
STAGE 3 PODCAST OVERVIEW
Stage 3 of the 2025 Tour de France Femmes avec Zwift was dominated by a 4-rider breakaway containing CTS Athlete and Canadian National Champion Alison Jackson from EF Education Oatly. Although the breakaway was caught before the finish, Jackson was strong in the finale and still led out her teammate. Coach Adam Pulford reveals insights and details of her pre-TDFF training and TrainingPeaks metrics to help put her fitness and preparation in perspective for everyday athletes.
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Co-Host: Renee Eastman
Renee Eastman is a CTS Premier Level Coach and has been coaching with the company for more than 20 years. She has been a professional bike fitter for 15 years and was one of the first fitters to use the Retül bike fit system. She has a master's degree in exercise science, has worked for USA Cycling, and is a 6-time Masters National Champion.
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Adam Pulford has been a CTS Coach for nearly two decades and holds a B.S. in Exercise Physiology. He's participated in and coached hundreds of athletes for endurance events all around the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back Time Crunch fans, tdff fans and my
co-host, rene Eastman.
Today at the Tour de France,femme of X Zwift was it all
about the breakaway or was itall about the sprint?
We'll recap the stage and thentalk about what it means to be
in the break, to potentially winor lose from the break and the
(00:21):
art of coaching, maybe somefueling, maybe some other nerdy
topics and whatever else Reneewants to ask me today.
So that's where we're at, reneegive us the stage, recap and
tell us what's up, adam?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
thanks, great to see you this morning.
Well, it was an exciting stage.
It was exciting for you and mein particular Maybe not for the
whole race.
So I woke up early this morningI started following on the
races live ticker.
(00:55):
As much as this race is awesomeand we're getting awesome
coverage, we do not get start tofinish coverage.
So here's a little pro tip foryou guys.
If you are obsessed, like I am,and you want to follow the race
from go, go to the Tour deFrance website.
Follow along.
(01:15):
There's plenty of updates,little live video clips and I
was super excited from gobecause our friend Allison
Jackson was in the main break ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, she was.
And to that point and to thepro tip, where my location was
at, I didn't have Wi-Fi.
So I had to skedaddle out ofthere and drove with my wife
down to a place where we hadWi-Fi.
And here we are now.
And along the way, Renee waslike here's the live stream,
Check this out.
(01:47):
And I'm like, oh my God, Ididn't have a clue because I
didn't have any way to listen.
So thanks to Renee for keepingme in the loop.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It was like the olden days when you had to get the
little Twitter and text updateson what's going on in the race
Twitter and text updates onwhat's going on in the race.
Anyway, just in my fashion,I've been doing all week my when
to watch alert.
For you guys who want to stayspoiler free, go to the last 20K
(02:20):
, because that's when the racestarts getting a little bit
dramatic and you definitelydon't want to miss the last 10K.
Today was just a sprint stageVery flat, not a lot of wind,
not a lot of hills to break upthe pack, but our buddy, allison
Jackson.
She and a group of four itlooks like they went on that
(02:43):
first KOM climb, or I guess theonly KOM climb climb, which is
about 150 kilometers to go.
So they were in the breakbasically all day long.
Um, it was allison jackson ofef oatley, sarah martin of movie
star uh, anise catalina sotofrom from uh laboral and uh.
(03:03):
Clements latimer from arkea.
Uh is a as is kind of a funbreak because three out of the
four national champions allisonfrom canada, sarah from spain
and uh uh soda from uh where'sshe?
From cuba anyway, a lot ofnational champions in the break,
yeah, um, the break just rolledalong.
(03:24):
They had like four minutes atone point with with 100k to go.
I'm texting adam like fourminutes, oh my gosh, because
four minutes seems like a lot.
But yeah, but eventually uh,team sd works uh started pulling
because they had the bigfavorite today, weavis.
And then I don't know why, butChloe Dygart, american superstar
(03:49):
, went to the front with about25k to go and brought down about
a minute of the gap, just likethat.
Anybody who is watching the raceChloe's really easy to pick out
because she's always wearingpink shoes.
That's her thing.
She's only pink shoes in thepeloton, but the reason why she
(04:10):
can pull that back all byherself.
She's a former world time worldchampion, time trialist and
pursuitist.
She's a gold medalist in theteam pursuit.
She is an engine and it isreally hard for a group of four
to combat the power of chloediger.
(04:30):
So anyway, between her and eskyworks, they brought it back uh,
with about 6k to go.
Right before they got caught,the brakes started attacking
each other, kind of broke stuffup, um, so we settled in with 5k
to go.
We're like, okay, sprint time.
Uh, time for weebis.
(04:50):
Um, and then a big crash, bigcrash, adam um by the way it was
around a corner with aboutthree and a half k to go.
It totally smashed up the fieldand the biggest news of the day
, I think, was that Demiballering, gc favorite 2023
(05:13):
winner, went down.
She looked pretty hard, she didfinish.
She didn't lose any time.
There's a rule with the racingthat within the last five
kilometers of a sprint stage, ifyou, if you, get delayed by a
mishap, you won't lose any time.
So she did finish way behindeverybody, but they don't count
(05:36):
that time.
So the result is that that'sokay, but we don't know how
she'll be tomorrow.
Now on to the sprint.
In the last couple ofkilometers, our hero of the day,
Allison Jackson, was still upthere.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It looked like she was trying to set up her
teammate Adam.
Yeah, I mean that was the goalfor the day.
I mean it was a sprinter stageand we'll talk more about the
breakaway here in a minute.
But Noemi Rugg, the sprinterfor EF'll talk more about the
breakaway here in a minute.
But uh, noemi rug, the sprinterfor uh, ef, oatly cannondale
and uh, you know, if everythingwent to plan, it would have been
(06:17):
leaving out um noemi, yeah,with uh h off the front, kind of
getting swallowed up.
She did a really great job of uh, you know just changing.
Uh, you know the, the tacticright there.
She's like okay, sat on acouple wheels and then started
working for no noemi, which wasawesome because of uh, you know
just changing.
Uh, you know the, the tacticright there.
She's like okay, sat on acouple wheels and then started
working for no, no amy, whichwas awesome because she just I
texted.
You know, it's like full honeybadger mode right now because
you can tell she was still fresh.
She was, you know, thirdwheeled work going for it that's
(06:38):
.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I was blown away, um, and then rook went to the front
.
With what?
300 meters to go?
I don't know what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean it's hard to be thepost-race quarterback afterwards
and say that you knoweverything about tactics.
Who knows, it wouldn't havebeen what I would have done.
Necessarily.
It did seem like she had a goodjump.
I mean she snapped away fromthe group and that group had
Voss and Vibas and everyone elsein it, but like good snap.
(07:08):
But then, you know, got caughtand Vibas got the win.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, with Voss hot on her heels.
So those guys go 1-2.
American making traps up theresprinting for fourth yeah, I saw
that she's on team Picnic PostNL.
They lost their big sprinter,charlotte Akul.
She dropped out yesterdayEffects of a crash from another
(07:35):
race.
But anyway, great to see Meganup there.
We just win no surprises.
A small change in GC Boss isnow back in the yellow just due
to the time bonuses and reallythe top Not too much change in
the top 10.
Demi's still up there, pfp'sstill up there, ken McCourt's
(07:58):
still up there, so no big timeloss from them.
The only other GC update thatwe had already talked about
yesterday is Longo Brugini'sactually out of the race.
She was already out of GC butshe just not fit race.
She was already out of gc butshe just not, so anyway, uh, I
(08:18):
would call it pretty status quo,especially among the gc
favorites, but we gotta seewhat's gonna happen, demi
overnight?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
yeah, I mean that's.
That's a big decision, right?
If dami um, you know, pulls outof the whole race or stays in,
that that crash is gonna affecther.
I do believe now we saw lastyear she crashed, you know, lots
of drama around that, but shestill came back and fought like
a fricking champ, so you nevercount her out.
She's tough as nails, but Imean anytime that you hit the
(08:44):
deck.
Renee, as you know, riding yourbike the next day is probably
the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh, for sure I've, I've fallen through it hard but
you talk about a tough cookie.
Do you remember that shefinished last year's tour with a
broken coccyx?
She was only lost by fourseconds of the race.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I was talking with Kristen last night and I was
like, well, remember, she had abroken freaking hip when she did
what she did last year and uh,anyway.
So, yeah, quite quite the stage.
And you know, I think that,like for our listeners, it'd be
good to talk about thatbreakaway, you know, because I
think, like the asterisks or thecaveat is, you know, you got to
(09:33):
have the guts to go on thebreak, but it's it's it's not
always the strongest riders,even though there was some
strong riders in there today.
So to you, renee, I mean my, mykind of take on it is like,
when a break goes at this level,sometimes it is just like a
gutsy, you know, move with a tonof grit and it sticks.
(09:54):
Other times, when there's no uhin this case, there's no um uh,
time bonuses up up the way, nohuge things for the peloton to
go for, they'll let anestablished break go and and get
some time and, and that's up tothe peloton to decide right and
then it's on the riders in thebreak to capitalize on that
(10:15):
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, none of the riders up in the break today
were a GC threat.
Yeah, I don't know how muchtime any of them had already
lost, but none of them are knownas climbers.
They're not going to win therace.
So even if they had finishedwith four minutes, at the end of
the day it's not a threat to todemi, it's not a threat to pfp.
(10:39):
However, the dynamics of, youknow, letting them go is there's
uh, it, it can just settle thepeloton down a little bit, like,
okay, let the break go and thenwe'll just be orderly.
And you know whoever'sinterested in you know other,
either maintaining gc or thestage.
(11:01):
We're going to pull a littlebit, but if there is no break
then the pack can get reallychaotic.
You know, it's just like attack, attack, attack, attack and
it's a little more dangerous, it.
It's not as smooth.
So a lot of times they let thebreak go, knowing that, oh, if
we just let them dangle outfront by a certain amount, we
(11:21):
can bring them in before thefinish.
And we saw that SD Works wasdoing most of the work all day
because they had the stagefavorite and none of the GC
teams really had a vestedinterest in bringing them back.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's important to recognize when and how a break
goes, and at the level of theTour de France, fama, the Zwift
or the men's Tour de France, itis usually when the peloton,
kind of as an amoeba, as a onething, decides it's okay, that's
an okay combination of ridersand we don't need to do anything
(11:57):
with it just yet.
And then, as the race evolves,then they decide when, if, if
they go, when they go, how hardthey go.
And chloe, I guess to yourpoint.
Yeah, I don't know exactly why,but I'm also not going to sit
here and say I you know, I knoweverything about race tactics at
this level yeah, I, it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's not beyond my scope to know why chloe brought
that back, other than you knowshe had neodoma right on her
wheel.
Maybe she was just trying tokeep neodoma safe because it was
kind of technical there comingback.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say the only reason I
could was number oneself-preservation, and number
two for Cassia neodoma thinni,by the way is to keep everybody
safe.
And generally too, when youhave steady, hard riding going
through technical stuff, thatmakes for a safer peloton
(12:49):
regardless, as opposed to kindof wide, and then all of a
sudden, oh there's something,and then dartiness.
That goes on.
So I mean I think it was a goodmove for sure.
And then once Chloe gets intoher work mode, she's a
thoroughbred man.
It's hard to snap her out of it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yeah, so strong.
Adam, I wanted to ask you somequestions about the break
Because, as we were texting backand forth today about, like is
she going to do it, is she not?
Like, I was just kind ofwondering, like, how are your
nerves after all that?
Like, how do you do watchingyour rider in a break like that,
(13:29):
especially like the biggeststage of the world, especially
like the biggest stage of theworld, cause she's she's won at
least one other really big racefrom the break.
Uh, perry Ruby.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For those of you guys who didn't know, Uh, yeah,
she's, I mean, she's won somebig races.
Uh, she, she won the stage atthe Vuelta as well, and I
believe that was either, um, areduced packs uh sprint was
either a reduced PAX sprint or asmall breakaway, I can't
remember, but Kristen Faulknerwas there to, I believe, lead
her out, and that was just lastyear.
(14:02):
I mean, that's a huge, hugestage win.
Perry Roubaix, yeah, and Ithink, whether it is you know,
aj, or you know one of my elitejuniors or somebody else else,
when I'm, when I'm, you know,able to watch it.
Number one, it's just so coolthat we have coverage, that we
can watch this stuff now.
But as I texted you, I'velearned to become much more
(14:23):
stoic in that, because anythingcould happen, right, yeah, and
back, like barry rubay, Iremember watching that one.
I was actually going to a bikerace poolsville road race, uh
and I remember watching it andjust, you know, losing it and
our dog was like crazy and I wasso excited.
But then, uh, my wife Kristenwas like we need to get going to
the bike race and we had like10 minutes to leave or something
(14:46):
like that, you know.
So I mean, yeah, I get superexcited, but in this case,
because they had 100K to go witha four-minute gap, I was like
anything can happen.
So you're excited, but you alsoknow how it could go Now, in
this case, because she is strongright now and she was the one
(15:09):
driving that ship, I think, verymotivated, from what I saw
anyway, and she's done it beforeand she's also been, uh, amstel
gold, uh, this year, phenomenaleffort there, with a seventh,
sixth or seventh place, uh, inthe break, really working hard,
um, doing doing some magic there.
(15:29):
Also fifth in the peri ruby thisyear as well.
So she's, so she's had some topresults this year.
She's actually won more, hasmore wins this year than I think
the past couple of years.
She won a couple of stages at aCzech Republic stage this past
year and got the GC there.
So overall she's rolling goodand that's why I was like, yeah,
(15:51):
this could happen, this couldhappen.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, we've been talking about Allison behind the
scenes a little bit and you'relike she is super strong right
now and I wonder, like how doyou know, like what are some
things that told you that shewas so strong?
I mean, you know, like behindthe numbers you don't have to
reveal any, like you know wattsper kilo or anything, but you
(16:17):
know, was it just her attitudeor mood, or numbers like?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, you know you can geek out on numbers, but I
think the first one I'll say isyou know she won a national
championship race.
Ok, and so winning, you knowbeing the best in the road race.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Wasn't it like a 90K solo.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, so she attacked with 80K to go.
One other came with, sheattacked again and then just
soloed it, for I think that waslike 60K solo, 80k with one
other person and which ended upbeing her peak two and a half
hour power all time.
So in just like a month ago,right?
So when you're hitting peakpower numbers, especially high
(17:01):
aerobic numbers like that, yeahshe's strong, right, you can.
You can say for certain you areriding some of the best you've
ever had before.
Right Now we don't have, youknow, a ton of two and a half
hour time trial sort of datapoints, but the ability to do
that is certainly telling.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
She's been a pro for a while now and she's been at
the top for a while now.
I mean Perry Bay winner.
You know she's well respectedin Peloton.
Consistent rider, consistentlygood.
How is she still getting betterat this point?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I mean, I think a couple of things.
One, as you get older, you getsmarter, and you get smarter at
racing and you get smarter inhow to take care of yourself.
And I think what I've learnedwith working with riders now
I've been coaching for a longtime now, rene, but kind of that
(18:01):
arc is, you know, when you'rejunior, when you're young, I
mean you're just kind of allover the place, right, you're
eating cookies post ride, whichsome of us still do, and um, and
you just have to learn to takecare of yourself, how to manage
your energy, what true recoverylooks like, all this kind of
stuff.
So I think it's part of that.
I think it's part like, as youmature, as you get more K's in
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the legs, you get deeper fitness, as you get more experience too
Remember racing Perry Roubaix.
Now she knows exactly where tobe at what moment and she gets
real stoked for that race.
She's the team captain for manyof the races because she has
all that experience.
But incredible awareness she'snot Tata Pigaccia, but
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incredible awareness.
Kind of like she's not tied up,but like when the the awareness
that tate has, like always justknowing you know what, who
needs what, when.
She's a very good communicatorand she's had to work on that.
She hasn't always been likethat.
So I think that, um, those areall elements to her getting
better, because there's somepower durations that haven't
improved, but she's very closeright.
Um, there's some powerdurations that haven't improved,
(19:04):
but she's very close right.
Um, there's some asterisksthere too, with different power
meters over time and and nothaving any formal quote, uh, uh,
standardized testing of what Iwould want for a power duration
B, but that's beside the point.
Uh, for the past six months,either way, um, her sprint has
never been better.
Her long breakaway power hasnever been better, and it's you
(19:26):
know, when you're seeing allthat in training and then
leading up to it and then, likeI said, you know, get in text
message from her saying I'm realfucking strong right now, like
that's another data point.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, um, I know our, our, uh, listeners, our time
crunched athletes are, you know,always wondering like what are
the pros doing and I'm not goingto ask you for too many high
level secrets but like, whatkind of volume and intensity
does a rider, you know, likeAlison, I mean a Tour de France
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rider like what kind of volumeis she doing?
Like, maybe, like what's herCTL going into a race like this?
You know, can you give us somebroad strokes about, like what
it takes to do the Tour deFrance Femme in terms of, you
know, kind of the level ofpreparation?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean there's no real secrets out there.
I mean a lot of people can, canread and see a bunch of stuff
now.
So I mean I think like, butthen like, where does it matter?
Where does it hit?
How can you relate?
I think CTL is one of thosemarkers.
I think CTL is one of thosemarkers because everybody knows
(20:34):
or looks at their blue line.
What's your blue line?
What's your fitness number?
Pop open TrainingPeaks.
Fitness is right there.
We spoke a couple of days agoabout how time crunch rider, if
your fitness score is onlyaround 50 or a lot of masters
racers might be 60, 70, that'syour fitness score and all that
is related to how much timeyou're riding at below or above
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your FTP for a given day.
You rack points over a month anda half and that's your fitness
score.
So that's how it's determined,right?
So with Pro Tour rider, proTour women's rider, anyway,
we'll be rolling 110 to 140 CTLfor a lot of the year and in
(21:19):
AJ's case we had nationalchampionships and then altitude
camp right before the tour andthen came down, freshened up and
then race the tour.
So we were up at 140, I think138 just before the tour and
then we freshened up, came inright around like 128 ish,
leading into the tour, butimportantly, her TSB, or
(21:40):
training stress balance, or AKAfreshness, was positive.
It was upward trending andpositive.
So again, all of these markersof get really fit, then get
really fresh, rock and roll awaywe go.
I think that that's superimportant.
The other element I look at tomake sure we're going good is
hitting some peak numbers ofsome kind.
(22:01):
When we have that high fitnessscore.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, so I have a couple of follow-up questions
for that.
Yeah, yeah, what are the TSSscores like for the for these
stages?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Oh well, let's take a look as I go over to her
training and as you're thinkingabout that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm going to also ask what's her TSB going to be
coming out of this?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Real negative.
Yeah, yeah it's.
You know that TSB I mean, onceyou're in the stage race, you
just kinda, uh, it has to bewhat it is right, because the
stress levels are going to behigh, right, um, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So stage one was one 80, one 85, something like that
that was like a super short as atwo hour stage.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, right, 185, something like that.
That was like a super short asa two-hour stage, right, right,
um, and let's see yesterdaybigger like 278, right, um.
And then today was probably,yeah, today more right.
So big stressors, absolutely um, and we hit those stressors
obviously in other races, butalso we hit those stressors just
a couple of weeks ago ataltitude camp with volume.
(23:08):
And you mentioned volume, Imean we, we have recently done
some 25 hour weeks.
I think our biggest week thisyear has been 28 hours of, you
know, aerobic training, and thenyou got strength training on
top of that.
So I mean she, you know, whenyou're a professional bike racer
, you are logging hours oh yeah,that's why they get paid to do
(23:31):
this.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, um, before we uh wrap up on, uh on ally, you
think she's gonna be uhdisappointed tonight, or?
Or like yeah, because she gotcaught with 6k to go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's why like close but no cigar yeah, you can
never keep allison jackson down.
Good first rule of life allright she.
However, she will be mad thatshe didn't win.
Anytime that she or her teamdoesn't win.
She's not happy because, I mean, she's an alpha female man, she
(24:06):
loves winning, she wants to gofor it and she doesn't get it.
Yeah sure, sad, but like can'tkeep her down uh.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
One final question for you, adam on on this uh
stage today um uh, what do youthink about their pick for most
aggressive rider today?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Disagree, however.
I didn't see the full coverage,I didn't see how it went, and
of course, I have a bias in AJ.
It looked like she was rockingit, driving it, and was a big
component of keeping that gap,or that gap, you know, long up
to the point it wasn't Meanwhile.
(24:57):
I think too, though, is it'simportant to recognize what AJ
did after, like Sarah Martineattacked and then they dropped
riders right, and then AJ wasstill there, got soaked up by
the Peloton and then went backto work for a team.
So I think, like, when you'relooking at the most aggressive
or the most combative, you gotto look at that too, not just
how the break established yeah,uh, I um they.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
They ended up giving the most aggressive rider to uh
latimer, a young french rider.
In the break.
She was, uh, actually the firstone to get dropped and I just
kind of say you know, it's afrench race, french rider, they
want to put a french rider onthe podium, but I would have
been so psyched for allisonbecause I thought she deserved
it.
Um, but yeah, no doubts that wewill see her again.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Uh, yeah, exactly no, she's not a gc rider.
For everybody like trying tounderstand what's going on,
she's not a gc rider, she's ahelper, she's um, she's a team
captain.
So she's going to beorchestrating a lot of moves and
things like this, but, uh, interms of, you know, being high
up in the GC not her role leadouts for sprints, doing hard
(25:56):
works and leading into key hillclimbs for, uh, kerpo.
That's another, you know, uh,role of hers.
So you won't see her in the GCbut you'll see her animating the
race.
Okay, renee, I mean, that wassuper fun and, you know, having
a stage like this, really fun totalk about one of my riders in
there, and thank you foreverybody listening for me.
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You know being able to do that,but you know we're not going to
talk about Allison Jacksonevery stage unless she keeps on
doing what she's doing.
Let's look ahead, renee.
Tomorrow, what's it lookinglike?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's going to be a stage similar to today, really
flat and probably anotherbreakaway.
So we could have the littlecontest of is it going to be the
break or the bunch sprint uh sdwork seems pretty motivated to
get uh weeb is her wins, becauseif you get weeb is close to on
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these flat uh finishes she'slikely to win.
The finish isn't as technicalso I hope no crashes.
Um, I think the I'm reallycurious to see what happens with
demi tomorrow, if she if she'shurting or not.
I hope not because that's ashame.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, yes, Never great when you see a GC rider go
down and get up as slowly asshe did, with teammates pushing
her to the finish line.
But in terms of the stage, yeah, it's even flatter than today
and it's even flatter than todayand it's even shorter.
So I think that, uh, definitelyanother VBIS stage in my
fantasy.
Uh, the Tour de France, Femme,uh league for sure.
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And uh, a day for the sprinters.
I would say, maybe watch someuh tactics from Visma.
Maybe they use PFP to drivesomething up the road.
Just, you know, try to shakeVibas, Cause I don't know, if I
were calling the shots, I would,I would try to shake her before
.
And if a crosswinds come intothat or or something else, yeah,
you can't bring Vibas to theline and think that you're going
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to win.
Not, not in this group anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, she's staying my pick for tomorrow too.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Final question to you, Renee,and then we'll wrap this thing
up.
Are you having fun?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I am having fun.
I gotta tell you, though, Idon't know if I was more nervous
than you were today, because Iwas like, on pins and needles,
I'm like it's gonna be greatcontent for the podcast.
No, just super excited to seesomebody that I am familiar with
in front of the world showingoff what they can do in front of
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the world, because we don't getto see that too often.
So it's pretty awesome and thishas been fun to talk to.
You.
Talk about racing.
I finally have somebody I cantext to the whole entire stage
like oh my gosh, you see what'sgoing on.
That's really why I wanted todo this.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, no, I think it is awesome.
I mean, the truth be told foreverybody, listening is this is
making us extremely timecrunched on the rest of our time
and Renee and I are bothreducing our training hours and
we need to get back to buildingschedules, but I do think this
is super fun.
I hope audience members areenjoying it and, if you are,
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feel free to drop in comments.
You know what you want to hearmore of, if you're liking what
we're doing, and if you have anyspecific questions for us, let
us know and Renee and I willweave it into the next outline
for tomorrow.
And we'll keep on talking aboutthe Twitter fonts from AVEX
Zwift.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thanks, adam, I'll see you tomorrow.
Welcome back Time Crunch fans, tdff fans and my
co-host, rene Eastman.
Today at the Tour de France,femme of X Zwift was it all
about the breakaway or was itall about the sprint?
We'll recap the stage and thentalk about what it means to be
in the break, to potentially winor lose from the break and the
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art of coaching, maybe somefueling, maybe some other nerdy
topics and whatever else Reneewants to ask me today.
So that's where we're at, reneegive us the stage, recap and
tell us what's up, adam?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
thanks, great to see you this morning.
Well, it was an exciting stage.
It was exciting for you and mein particular Maybe not for the
whole race.
So I woke up early this morningI started following on the
races live ticker.
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As much as this race is awesomeand we're getting awesome
coverage, we do not get start tofinish coverage.
So here's a little pro tip foryou guys.
If you are obsessed, like I am,and you want to follow the race
from go, go to the Tour deFrance website.
Follow along.
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There's plenty of updates,little live video clips and I
was super excited from gobecause our friend Allison
Jackson was in the main break ofthe day.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yes, she was.
And to that point and to thepro tip, where my location was
at, I didn't have Wi-Fi.
So I had to skedaddle out ofthere and drove with my wife
down to a place where we hadWi-Fi.
And here we are now.
And along the way, Renee waslike here's the live stream,
Check this out.
(01:47):
And I'm like, oh my God, Ididn't have a clue because I
didn't have any way to listen.
So thanks to Renee for keepingme in the loop.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It was like the olden days when you had to get the
little Twitter and text updateson what's going on in the race
Twitter and text updates onwhat's going on in the race.
Anyway, just in my fashion,I've been doing all week my when
to watch alert.
For you guys who want to stayspoiler free, go to the last 20K
(02:20):
, because that's when the racestarts getting a little bit
dramatic and you definitelydon't want to miss the last 10K.
Today was just a sprint stageVery flat, not a lot of wind,
not a lot of hills to break upthe pack, but our buddy, allison
Jackson.
She and a group of four itlooks like they went on that
(02:43):
first KOM climb, or I guess theonly KOM climb climb, which is
about 150 kilometers to go.
So they were in the breakbasically all day long.
Um, it was allison jackson ofef oatley, sarah martin of movie
star uh, anise catalina sotofrom from uh laboral and uh.
(03:03):
Clements latimer from arkea.
Uh is a as is kind of a funbreak because three out of the
four national champions allisonfrom canada, sarah from spain
and uh uh soda from uh where'sshe?
From cuba anyway, a lot ofnational champions in the break,
yeah, um, the break just rolledalong.
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They had like four minutes atone point with with 100k to go.
I'm texting adam like fourminutes, oh my gosh, because
four minutes seems like a lot.
But yeah, but eventually uh,team sd works uh started pulling
because they had the bigfavorite today, weavis.
And then I don't know why, butChloe Dygart, american superstar
(03:49):
, went to the front with about25k to go and brought down about
a minute of the gap, just likethat.
Anybody who is watching the raceChloe's really easy to pick out
because she's always wearingpink shoes.
That's her thing.
She's only pink shoes in thepeloton, but the reason why she
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can pull that back all byherself.
She's a former world time worldchampion, time trialist and
pursuitist.
She's a gold medalist in theteam pursuit.
She is an engine and it isreally hard for a group of four
to combat the power of chloediger.
(04:30):
So anyway, between her and eskyworks, they brought it back uh,
with about 6k to go.
Right before they got caught,the brakes started attacking
each other, kind of broke stuffup, um, so we settled in with 5k
to go.
We're like, okay, sprint time.
Uh, time for weebis.
(04:50):
Um, and then a big crash, bigcrash, adam um by the way it was
around a corner with aboutthree and a half k to go.
It totally smashed up the fieldand the biggest news of the day
, I think, was that Demiballering, gc favorite 2023
(05:13):
winner, went down.
She looked pretty hard, she didfinish.
She didn't lose any time.
There's a rule with the racingthat within the last five
kilometers of a sprint stage, ifyou, if you, get delayed by a
mishap, you won't lose any time.
So she did finish way behindeverybody, but they don't count
(05:36):
that time.
So the result is that that'sokay, but we don't know how
she'll be tomorrow.
Now on to the sprint.
In the last couple ofkilometers, our hero of the day,
Allison Jackson, was still upthere.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
It looked like she was trying to set up her
teammate Adam.
Yeah, I mean that was the goalfor the day.
I mean it was a sprinter stageand we'll talk more about the
breakaway here in a minute.
But Noemi Rugg, the sprinterfor EF'll talk more about the
breakaway here in a minute.
But uh, noemi rug, the sprinterfor uh, ef, oatly cannondale
and uh, you know, if everythingwent to plan, it would have been
(06:17):
leaving out um noemi, yeah,with uh h off the front, kind of
getting swallowed up.
She did a really great job of uh, you know just changing.
Uh, you know the, the tacticright there.
She's like okay, sat on acouple wheels and then started
working for no noemi, which wasawesome because of uh, you know
just changing.
Uh, you know the, the tacticright there.
She's like okay, sat on acouple wheels and then started
working for no, no amy, whichwas awesome because she just I
texted.
You know, it's like full honeybadger mode right now because
you can tell she was still fresh.
She was, you know, thirdwheeled work going for it that's
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.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
I was blown away, um, and then rook went to the front
.
With what?
300 meters to go?
I don't know what she was doing.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean it's hard to be thepost-race quarterback afterwards
and say that you knoweverything about tactics.
Who knows, it wouldn't havebeen what I would have done.
Necessarily.
It did seem like she had a goodjump.
I mean she snapped away fromthe group and that group had
Voss and Vibas and everyone elsein it, but like good snap.
(07:08):
But then, you know, got caughtand Vibas got the win.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah, with Voss hot on her heels.
So those guys go 1-2.
American making traps up theresprinting for fourth yeah, I saw
that she's on team Picnic PostNL.
They lost their big sprinter,charlotte Akul.
She dropped out yesterdayEffects of a crash from another
(07:35):
race.
But anyway, great to see Meganup there.
We just win no surprises.
A small change in GC Boss isnow back in the yellow just due
to the time bonuses and reallythe top Not too much change in
the top 10.
Demi's still up there, pfp'sstill up there, ken McCourt's
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still up there, so no big timeloss from them.
The only other GC update thatwe had already talked about
yesterday is Longo Brugini'sactually out of the race.
She was already out of GC butshe just not fit race.
She was already out of gc butshe just not, so anyway, uh, I
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would call it pretty status quo,especially among the gc
favorites, but we gotta seewhat's gonna happen, demi
overnight?
Speaker 1 (08:22):
yeah, I mean that's.
That's a big decision, right?
If dami um, you know, pulls outof the whole race or stays in,
that that crash is gonna affecther.
I do believe now we saw lastyear she crashed, you know, lots
of drama around that, but shestill came back and fought like
a fricking champ, so you nevercount her out.
She's tough as nails, but Imean anytime that you hit the
(08:44):
deck.
Renee, as you know, riding yourbike the next day is probably
the last thing you want to do.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Oh, for sure I've, I've fallen through it hard but
you talk about a tough cookie.
Do you remember that shefinished last year's tour with a
broken coccyx?
She was only lost by fourseconds of the race.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I was talking with Kristen last night and I was
like, well, remember, she had abroken freaking hip when she did
what she did last year and uh,anyway.
So, yeah, quite quite the stage.
And you know, I think that,like for our listeners, it'd be
good to talk about thatbreakaway, you know, because I
think, like the asterisks or thecaveat is, you know, you got to
(09:33):
have the guts to go on thebreak, but it's it's it's not
always the strongest riders,even though there was some
strong riders in there today.
So to you, renee, I mean my, mykind of take on it is like,
when a break goes at this level,sometimes it is just like a
gutsy, you know, move with a tonof grit and it sticks.
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Other times, when there's no uhin this case, there's no um uh,
time bonuses up up the way, nohuge things for the peloton to
go for, they'll let anestablished break go and and get
some time and, and that's up tothe peloton to decide right and
then it's on the riders in thebreak to capitalize on that
(10:15):
opportunity.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, none of the riders up in the break today
were a GC threat.
Yeah, I don't know how muchtime any of them had already
lost, but none of them are knownas climbers.
They're not going to win therace.
So even if they had finishedwith four minutes, at the end of
the day it's not a threat to todemi, it's not a threat to pfp.
(10:39):
However, the dynamics of, youknow, letting them go is there's
uh, it, it can just settle thepeloton down a little bit, like,
okay, let the break go and thenwe'll just be orderly.
And you know whoever'sinterested in you know other,
either maintaining gc or thestage.
(11:01):
We're going to pull a littlebit, but if there is no break
then the pack can get reallychaotic.
You know, it's just like attack, attack, attack, attack and
it's a little more dangerous, it.
It's not as smooth.
So a lot of times they let thebreak go, knowing that, oh, if
we just let them dangle outfront by a certain amount, we
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can bring them in before thefinish.
And we saw that SD Works wasdoing most of the work all day
because they had the stagefavorite and none of the GC
teams really had a vestedinterest in bringing them back.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
It's important to recognize when and how a break
goes, and at the level of theTour de France, fama, the Zwift
or the men's Tour de France, itis usually when the peloton,
kind of as an amoeba, as a onething, decides it's okay, that's
an okay combination of ridersand we don't need to do anything
(11:57):
with it just yet.
And then, as the race evolves,then they decide when, if, if
they go, when they go, how hardthey go.
And chloe, I guess to yourpoint.
Yeah, I don't know exactly why,but I'm also not going to sit
here and say I you know, I knoweverything about race tactics at
this level yeah, I, it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
It's not beyond my scope to know why chloe brought
that back, other than you knowshe had neodoma right on her
wheel.
Maybe she was just trying tokeep neodoma safe because it was
kind of technical there comingback.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say the only reason I
could was number oneself-preservation, and number
two for Cassia neodoma thinni,by the way is to keep everybody
safe.
And generally too, when youhave steady, hard riding going
through technical stuff, thatmakes for a safer peloton
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regardless, as opposed to kindof wide, and then all of a
sudden, oh there's something,and then dartiness.
That goes on.
So I mean I think it was a goodmove for sure.
And then once Chloe gets intoher work mode, she's a
thoroughbred man.
It's hard to snap her out of it.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Oh yeah, so strong.
Adam, I wanted to ask you somequestions about the break
Because, as we were texting backand forth today about, like is
she going to do it, is she not?
Like, I was just kind ofwondering, like, how are your
nerves after all that?
Like, how do you do watchingyour rider in a break like that,
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especially like the biggeststage of the world, especially
like the biggest stage of theworld, cause she's she's won at
least one other really big racefrom the break.
Uh, perry Ruby.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
For those of you guys who didn't know, Uh, yeah,
she's, I mean, she's won somebig races.
Uh, she, she won the stage atthe Vuelta as well, and I
believe that was either, um, areduced packs uh sprint was
either a reduced PAX sprint or asmall breakaway, I can't
remember, but Kristen Faulknerwas there to, I believe, lead
her out, and that was just lastyear.
(14:02):
I mean, that's a huge, hugestage win.
Perry Roubaix, yeah, and Ithink, whether it is you know,
aj, or you know one of my elitejuniors or somebody else else,
when I'm, when I'm, you know,able to watch it.
Number one, it's just so coolthat we have coverage, that we
can watch this stuff now.
But as I texted you, I'velearned to become much more
(14:23):
stoic in that, because anythingcould happen, right, yeah, and
back, like barry rubay, Iremember watching that one.
I was actually going to a bikerace poolsville road race, uh
and I remember watching it andjust, you know, losing it and
our dog was like crazy and I wasso excited.
But then, uh, my wife Kristenwas like we need to get going to
the bike race and we had like10 minutes to leave or something
(14:46):
like that, you know.
So I mean, yeah, I get superexcited, but in this case,
because they had 100K to go witha four-minute gap, I was like
anything can happen.
So you're excited, but you alsoknow how it could go Now, in
this case, because she is strongright now and she was the one
(15:09):
driving that ship, I think, verymotivated, from what I saw
anyway, and she's done it beforeand she's also been, uh, amstel
gold, uh, this year, phenomenaleffort there, with a seventh,
sixth or seventh place, uh, inthe break, really working hard,
um, doing doing some magic there.
(15:29):
Also fifth in the peri ruby thisyear as well.
So she's, so she's had some topresults this year.
She's actually won more, hasmore wins this year than I think
the past couple of years.
She won a couple of stages at aCzech Republic stage this past
year and got the GC there.
So overall she's rolling goodand that's why I was like, yeah,
(15:51):
this could happen, this couldhappen.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Well, we've been talking about Allison behind the
scenes a little bit and you'relike she is super strong right
now and I wonder, like how doyou know, like what are some
things that told you that shewas so strong?
I mean, you know, like behindthe numbers you don't have to
reveal any, like you know wattsper kilo or anything, but you
(16:17):
know, was it just her attitudeor mood, or numbers like?
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Yeah, you know you can geek out on numbers, but I
think the first one I'll say isyou know she won a national
championship race.
Ok, and so winning, you knowbeing the best in the road race.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Wasn't it like a 90K solo.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
Yeah, so she attacked with 80K to go.
One other came with, sheattacked again and then just
soloed it, for I think that waslike 60K solo, 80k with one
other person and which ended upbeing her peak two and a half
hour power all time.
So in just like a month ago,right?
So when you're hitting peakpower numbers, especially high
(17:01):
aerobic numbers like that, yeahshe's strong, right, you can.
You can say for certain you areriding some of the best you've
ever had before.
Right Now we don't have, youknow, a ton of two and a half
hour time trial sort of datapoints, but the ability to do
that is certainly telling.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
She's been a pro for a while now and she's been at
the top for a while now.
I mean Perry Bay winner.
You know she's well respectedin Peloton.
Consistent rider, consistentlygood.
How is she still getting betterat this point?
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:41):
I mean, I think a couple of things.
One, as you get older, you getsmarter, and you get smarter at
racing and you get smarter inhow to take care of yourself.
And I think what I've learnedwith working with riders now
I've been coaching for a longtime now, rene, but kind of that
(18:01):
arc is, you know, when you'rejunior, when you're young, I
mean you're just kind of allover the place, right, you're
eating cookies post ride, whichsome of us still do, and um, and
you just have to learn to takecare of yourself, how to manage
your energy, what true recoverylooks like, all this kind of
stuff.
So I think it's part of that.
I think it's part like, as youmature, as you get more K's in
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the legs, you get deeper fitness, as you get more experience too
Remember racing Perry Roubaix.
Now she knows exactly where tobe at what moment and she gets
real stoked for that race.
She's the team captain for manyof the races because she has
all that experience.
But incredible awareness she'snot Tata Pigaccia, but
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incredible awareness.
Kind of like she's not tied up,but like when the the awareness
that tate has, like always justknowing you know what, who
needs what, when.
She's a very good communicatorand she's had to work on that.
She hasn't always been likethat.
So I think that, um, those areall elements to her getting
better, because there's somepower durations that haven't
improved, but she's very closeright.
Um, there's some powerdurations that haven't improved,
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but she's very close right.
Um, there's some asterisksthere too, with different power
meters over time and and nothaving any formal quote, uh, uh,
standardized testing of what Iwould want for a power duration
B, but that's beside the point.
Uh, for the past six months,either way, um, her sprint has
never been better.
Her long breakaway power hasnever been better, and it's you
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know, when you're seeing allthat in training and then
leading up to it and then, likeI said, you know, get in text
message from her saying I'm realfucking strong right now, like
that's another data point.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, um, I know our, our, uh, listeners, our time
crunched athletes are, you know,always wondering like what are
the pros doing and I'm not goingto ask you for too many high
level secrets but like, whatkind of volume and intensity
does a rider, you know, likeAlison, I mean a Tour de France
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rider like what kind of volumeis she doing?
Like, maybe, like what's herCTL going into a race like this?
You know, can you give us somebroad strokes about, like what
it takes to do the Tour deFrance Femme in terms of, you
know, kind of the level ofpreparation?
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, I mean there's no real secrets out there.
I mean a lot of people can, canread and see a bunch of stuff
now.
So I mean I think like, butthen like, where does it matter?
Where does it hit?
How can you relate?
I think CTL is one of thosemarkers.
I think CTL is one of thosemarkers because everybody knows
(20:34):
or looks at their blue line.
What's your blue line?
What's your fitness number?
Pop open TrainingPeaks.
Fitness is right there.
We spoke a couple of days agoabout how time crunch rider, if
your fitness score is onlyaround 50 or a lot of masters
racers might be 60, 70, that'syour fitness score and all that
is related to how much timeyou're riding at below or above
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your FTP for a given day.
You rack points over a month anda half and that's your fitness
score.
So that's how it's determined,right?
So with Pro Tour rider, proTour women's rider, anyway,
we'll be rolling 110 to 140 CTLfor a lot of the year and in
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AJ's case we had nationalchampionships and then altitude
camp right before the tour andthen came down, freshened up and
then race the tour.
So we were up at 140, I think138 just before the tour and
then we freshened up, came inright around like 128 ish,
leading into the tour, butimportantly, her TSB, or
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training stress balance, or AKAfreshness, was positive.
It was upward trending andpositive.
So again, all of these markersof get really fit, then get
really fresh, rock and roll awaywe go.
I think that that's superimportant.
The other element I look at tomake sure we're going good is
hitting some peak numbers ofsome kind.
(22:01):
When we have that high fitnessscore.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Yeah, so I have a couple of follow-up questions
for that.
Yeah, yeah, what are the TSSscores like for the for these
stages?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Oh well, let's take a look as I go over to her
training and as you're thinkingabout that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I'm going to also ask what's her TSB going to be
coming out of this?
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Real negative.
Yeah, yeah it's.
You know that TSB I mean, onceyou're in the stage race, you
just kinda, uh, it has to bewhat it is right, because the
stress levels are going to behigh, right, um, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
So stage one was one 80, one 85, something like that
that was like a super short as atwo hour stage.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right, right, 185, something like that.
That was like a super short asa two-hour stage, right, right,
um, and let's see yesterdaybigger like 278, right, um.
And then today was probably,yeah, today more right.
So big stressors, absolutely um, and we hit those stressors
obviously in other races, butalso we hit those stressors just
a couple of weeks ago ataltitude camp with volume.
(23:08):
And you mentioned volume, Imean we, we have recently done
some 25 hour weeks.
I think our biggest week thisyear has been 28 hours of, you
know, aerobic training, and thenyou got strength training on
top of that.
So I mean she, you know, whenyou're a professional bike racer
, you are logging hours oh yeah,that's why they get paid to do
(23:31):
this.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, um, before we uh wrap up on, uh on ally, you
think she's gonna be uhdisappointed tonight, or?
Or like yeah, because she gotcaught with 6k to go.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
That's why like close but no cigar yeah, you can
never keep allison jackson down.
Good first rule of life allright she.
However, she will be mad thatshe didn't win.
Anytime that she or her teamdoesn't win.
She's not happy because, I mean, she's an alpha female man, she
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loves winning, she wants to gofor it and she doesn't get it.
Yeah sure, sad, but like can'tkeep her down uh.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
One final question for you, adam on on this uh
stage today um uh, what do youthink about their pick for most
aggressive rider today?
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Disagree, however.
I didn't see the full coverage,I didn't see how it went, and
of course, I have a bias in AJ.
It looked like she was rockingit, driving it, and was a big
component of keeping that gap,or that gap, you know, long up
to the point it wasn't Meanwhile.
(24:57):
I think too, though, is it'simportant to recognize what AJ
did after, like Sarah Martineattacked and then they dropped
riders right, and then AJ wasstill there, got soaked up by
the Peloton and then went backto work for a team.
So I think, like, when you'relooking at the most aggressive
or the most combative, you gotto look at that too, not just
how the break established yeah,uh, I um they.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
They ended up giving the most aggressive rider to uh
latimer, a young french rider.
In the break.
She was, uh, actually the firstone to get dropped and I just
kind of say you know, it's afrench race, french rider, they
want to put a french rider onthe podium, but I would have
been so psyched for allisonbecause I thought she deserved
it.
Um, but yeah, no doubts that wewill see her again.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Uh, yeah, exactly no, she's not a gc rider.
For everybody like trying tounderstand what's going on,
she's not a gc rider, she's ahelper, she's um, she's a team
captain.
So she's going to beorchestrating a lot of moves and
things like this, but, uh, interms of, you know, being high
up in the GC not her role leadouts for sprints, doing hard
(25:56):
works and leading into key hillclimbs for, uh, kerpo.
That's another, you know, uh,role of hers.
So you won't see her in the GCbut you'll see her animating the
race.
Okay, renee, I mean, that wassuper fun and, you know, having
a stage like this, really fun totalk about one of my riders in
there, and thank you foreverybody listening for me.
(26:16):
You know being able to do that,but you know we're not going to
talk about Allison Jacksonevery stage unless she keeps on
doing what she's doing.
Let's look ahead, renee.
Tomorrow, what's it lookinglike?
Speaker 2 (26:30):
It's going to be a stage similar to today, really
flat and probably anotherbreakaway.
So we could have the littlecontest of is it going to be the
break or the bunch sprint uh sdwork seems pretty motivated to
get uh weeb is her wins, becauseif you get weeb is close to on
(26:51):
these flat uh finishes she'slikely to win.
The finish isn't as technicalso I hope no crashes.
Um, I think the I'm reallycurious to see what happens with
demi tomorrow, if she if she'shurting or not.
I hope not because that's ashame.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Yeah, yes, Never great when you see a GC rider go
down and get up as slowly asshe did, with teammates pushing
her to the finish line.
But in terms of the stage, yeah, it's even flatter than today
and it's even flatter than todayand it's even shorter.
So I think that, uh, definitelyanother VBIS stage in my
fantasy.
Uh, the Tour de France, Femme,uh league for sure.
(27:30):
And uh, a day for the sprinters.
I would say, maybe watch someuh tactics from Visma.
Maybe they use PFP to drivesomething up the road.
Just, you know, try to shakeVibas, Cause I don't know, if I
were calling the shots, I would,I would try to shake her before
.
And if a crosswinds come intothat or or something else, yeah,
you can't bring Vibas to theline and think that you're going
(27:51):
to win.
Not, not in this group anyway.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yeah, she's staying my pick for tomorrow too.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, absolutely so.
Final question to you, Renee,and then we'll wrap this thing
up.
Are you having fun?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
I am having fun.
I gotta tell you, though, Idon't know if I was more nervous
than you were today, because Iwas like, on pins and needles,
I'm like it's gonna be greatcontent for the podcast.
No, just super excited to seesomebody that I am familiar with
in front of the world showingoff what they can do in front of
(28:31):
the world, because we don't getto see that too often.
So it's pretty awesome and thishas been fun to talk to.
You.
Talk about racing.
I finally have somebody I cantext to the whole entire stage
like oh my gosh, you see what'sgoing on.
That's really why I wanted todo this.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, no, I think it is awesome.
I mean, the truth be told foreverybody, listening is this is
making us extremely timecrunched on the rest of our time
and Renee and I are bothreducing our training hours and
we need to get back to buildingschedules, but I do think this
is super fun.
I hope audience members areenjoying it and, if you are,
(29:11):
feel free to drop in comments.
You know what you want to hearmore of, if you're liking what
we're doing, and if you have anyspecific questions for us, let
us know and Renee and I willweave it into the next outline
for tomorrow.
And we'll keep on talking aboutthe Twitter fonts from AVEX
Zwift.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
Thanks, adam, I'll see you tomorrow.
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