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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to the Tipsy
Guest Podcast.
I am your host, marcoBuenrostro, and every week I'm
here with the top industryexperts, amazing clients and all
my vendor BFFs to bring you thebest tips, advice and juicy
behind-the-scenes stories tomake wedding and event planning
a breeze.
So grab your favorite drink andlet's get this party started.
(00:39):
But today we'll be talkingabout why you should hire an
actual professional and not yourcousin or your tia or your tio,
and for that we have Chantalfrom Elite Event Planning.
Hello, hello.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Hello, so excited to
be here.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
I feel like I can
never pronounce your name.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
How do you?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
what's the real?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, so we're
Hispanicpanic, obviously, so
it's really supposed to be likechantal, uh-huh like the actress
none, yes, kind of sort of.
But everyone says chantal, orsome people say shouldn't.
Some people will be like chaneland I'm like no they're like
with an a or, but it's el, sochantal, so Chantel.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Chantel yes, ooh, I
like that.
It sounds fancy.
Oh my gosh.
Well, thank you so much forbeing with me today.
Yes, I'm so excited to be here.
I am very excited.
We've been talking about it andI was finally able to get you
here.
Yes, you're so busy.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I know, yes, we have
a lot going on it season and we
don't just do planning, we do alot of other things, so we're
kind of all over the place, buthappy to have been able to get
some time to sit down with you.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
I love it.
Well, welcome, welcome, welcome.
And since you just mentionedthat you do other things, let
our listeners know exactly whatyou do.
How can you help them maketheir wedding amazing?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
They need to know it
all.
Yeah, for sure.
So we?
My name is Chantel.
I'm the owner of Elite EventPlanning, so we are a wedding
planning company here in SanAntonio, but we also serve Hill
Country, austin areas, literallyanywhere you want us to go.
Just play for our plane ticket.
Right, but we also have a floralcompany and a bartending
company.
So I have actually been in theindustry pretty much all of my
life.
My parents have been in theindustry for 20 plus years, so
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they individually have abartending company and a floral
company and as I was growing upI would help and assist with
floral.
And you know, sometimes when Iwas of age I was a bartender
once upon a time.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
And so, yeah, my mom
actually was the one who ended
up starting wedding coordinating.
As she was doing florals, I gotto a point where she was like
okay, listen, like I have tocome back here at midnight to
pick up my vases and my rentals,like why don't I just stay,
like I know everything that'sgoing on, I can do this.
So she ended up starting thatand she was.
She did really good with it forabout three years and then I
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came in and I started helpingher and she was like hey, listen
, this is something that youwant to do.
Like go for it, you're good atit, you know, you know how to
tell people what to do.
And I'm like yeah, I do.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like I got it, I got
it.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
So I decided to open
my company in 2015.
I was, honestly, really scaredat the beginning.
I was like what if nobody hiresme?
Like what am I going to do?
And I'm really, really gratefulto my parents till this day
because they really, you know, Ihad already known a lot of
people when I moved into theindustry as a wedding planner
from the floral and thebartending company.
A lot of people had alreadyknown us, known our family, so
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it kind of gave me a little bitof an extra step in which I'm
really really grateful for.
And now, you know, nine yearsin, we're averaging like 50 to
57 weddings a year and yeah,it's, it's been amazing.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That is so cool.
Yeah, I mean I see youeverywhere and you are so active
on social media.
I love all your TikToks, allyour reels.
Yeah, there's so much fun.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm trying.
You know I feel like thisaround.
You know this type ofgeneration.
You just have to be active, youhave to show your face.
People want to know who you areand I feel like that's just the
best way to show what ourcompany is and what we're about.
So I've recently started on theTikTok trend.
I'm very fresh.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's really cool,
though I'm always taking notes
from your reels because you likeit's so cool Like you show all
the behind the scenes and likeyou're just like your daily life
as you're getting to events, asyou're getting ready in the
morning.
I just saw the other day onewhere you know I think it was
like life and something whereyou were taking your dog out and
you know I start your date andthen you get ready for work and
then you drive to the weddingplace.
So it's really cool and, yes,you know, I think it's a great
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way for you to connect withpotential clients and your
actual clients as well, becausethey get to see what you do and
they don't just see, you know,like the, the face of the
company, but they see your lifelike that is really really cool.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yeah, I like that,
especially because we we do play
such a large role in weddings,but we also don't just live and
breathe wedding planning.
You know, we have a life, wehave.
I have a family, I have ahusband, I have dogs, you know.
So I just want to show them alittle bit of a different side,
so that way they can get to knowus a little bit better, and I
feel like that builds a betterconnection.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Yeah, and I know you
got married a few years ago.
We did who did your planning?
Was it you?
You did your own.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
I pretty much did my
planning everything, but we just
hired someone to kind ofexecute the day of the wedding.
I kind of handed everythingover and I was like, hey, can
you just take care of this forme?
And I handed it over and I knewwe were in good hands.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Were you at one point
during your actual wedding?
Were you like checking onthings or did you?
Speaker 2 (05:43):
forget about it and
just enjoy it.
I actually didn't.
I kind of forgot about it.
I feel like my mom was the onethat was kind of like, oh, we
need to do this, we need to dothat.
But I was very much in themoment and kind of just enjoying
things.
When we got married it was kindof like in the midst of COVID.
So what actually happened wasour original wedding date.
We had to postpone our actualcelebration because we were
inviting like 300 plus peopleand it just wasn't safe we could
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at that time.
But we just decided like hey,like let's just play it safe, we
don't want anyone to get sick.
So we still got married on thatdate.
We had it in a little chapel,like it was 10 of us.
And then we got married inJanuary and then that September
we had our celebration.
We still got married in achurch and everything as if we
hadn't done it before.
So it was a little bit morelaid back.
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It wasn't necessarily supernerve wracking or anything like
that.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So yeah, I love it.
Yeah, I kept seeing your yourpost about it and it looked
beautiful.
So, I mean, you're a pro, so ofcourse your wedding had to be
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I wanted absolutely
everything.
There were some things that mydad was like absolutely not.
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
All right.
Well, now that we got to knowyou a little bit, or our
listeners.
I've known you for a long time.
Yeah, let's dive right in.
I think today's topic is one ofthose things that you know.
A lot of people decide to gothat specific route and then
later they regret it.
So give me all your advice Letour listeners know why they
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should hire a professional andnot their family member or a
friend or somebody that theyjust found on Facebook.
You know like, talk to me aboutthat.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, so I don't.
I would necessarily say thatthis is just strictly like for
wedding planners.
I think this is across theboard for any wedding plan,
wedding vendor that you'rehiring, you know, obviously a
venue is is you know someonethat you're going to hire and
they're going to haverecommendations and some venues
have.
You know you're required tobook this caterer or this
bartending service or you'rerequired to use off of our list
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of planners, and there's areason that they do that.
That reason is because thereare rules that you need to
follow, regulations for thevenue, and so they're putting
them on that list because theyknow, hey, if you hire from
these people, we knoweverything's going to be tip top
, okay, there's nothing that youguys are going to have to worry
about.
And that's what's reallyimportant.
Is you want to make sure thatyou have an A plus vendor team
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at your wedding, because that'sgoing to make or break your
wedding.
You know, if you have bad food,everyone's going to know oh my
gosh, can you, can you imaginelike, can you remember that they
had horrible food?
Like it wasn't good?
That's, the chicken was like sodry and the sauce was so salty.
Like you know, you want to makesure that you have those
vendors, because it's somethingthat people are going to
remember not only you, but yourfamily and your friends and it's
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something that they're going totalk about, because whatever
you have is setting the tone foryour event that people are
going to talk about for years tocome.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
For some reason, yeah
, like for some reason, people
always, I guess, food.
You know I love food, so, yeah,I think food is very important,
you know, because I thinkthat's what people are going to
remember.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I think some people
care more about the food than
the flowers or like other thingsat the wedding.
But, like you said, you know,like any vendor, like it doesn't
just apply to certain ones,like it applies to every single
vendor.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah, exactly, I mean
, we've run into so many
instances where there'ssometimes that people just hire
us for 30 days out from theirwedding, which is perfectly fine
.
We do try to set them up forsuccess.
We're like, as soon as theybook, like here, here's our
preferred vendor list.
This is really who we recommendthat you go with.
An A plus vendor team is reallythe key to having an amazing
wedding.
And some people are like yes,thank you, so amazing.
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And then I feel like they moveon to their wedding planning
process and they completelyforget that we ever even sent
that to them.
So when it comes time to havingour timeline meeting and we
start talking with them andwe're like hey, who's your DJ?
You know, when you filled outyour questionnaire, we noticed
that there wasn't anyone there.
Oh well, it's a family friendthat my uncle knows and he's
DJed at a bar before.
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And automatically I'm like OK,red flag, this is going to be a
really difficult event.
And obviously we reach out tothose vendors and we're like hey
, listen, we are their weddingcoordinator for the day of the
event.
This is the timeline, this ishow everything is going to be
run.
Let us know if you want to hopon a call so we can discuss
things.
Half of the time we don't everget a response from them.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It's because they're
not used to it, they just show
up to a club and start mixing orplaying.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
So you know mixing or
playing exactly.
So then of course we'll do allfollow-ups the week of the
wedding, send it out.
The beginning of the week stillnothing.
Call them, still nothing.
And then they finally reach outa couple days before the
wedding.
They're like yeah, yeah, we'llbe there, like we got it.
We're good half the time theycome in and they're rushing like
they don't know what they'redoing because they they never
got the information, they nevertook time to look through
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anything.
And then we go up to them andwe're like, hey, like, let's
talk through the timeline.
Yeah, we got it, we got thissong for this time.
And I'm like, okay, this isgoing to be our cue.
So when I say we're ready to go, I'm going to give you a thumbs
up.
When I'm going to change thesongs, we're going to give you
this.
Or, you know, even the musicstarts to cut in and out because
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they're not usually usingprofessional equipment.
It's just, we've had really,really bad experiences and we
want our clients to have themost amazing wedding day, you
know, and really the vendors arethe key to it.
So if you're hiring your UncleSam to do your DJ and he works
at a club and only does you knowbar music or anything like that
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?
He's not the person for you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
It's a complete
different experience.
I mean, you go to a bar toparty and the vibe is completely
different than an actualwedding.
I mean, there's differentmoments in throughout the
wedding that you know you haveto do certain things and oh my
gosh special introductions.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
I mean, there was one
time that we were at a wedding
where I literally was having totell this DJ you need to say
this word, these exact words, asI'm telling you, you know
everyone, please stay seated.
Dinner will be served shortly.
Or please be seated.
The planner will go around andrelease your tables and he would
look at me and say Wait, whatdo I say again?
And I'm like, are you kiddingme?
Like?
And I'm like, are you kiddingme like?
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and I'm not someone to talk onthe microphone but if I need to,
you know obviously like I'mgonna jump on it because it just
gets to a point where it'sridiculous.
It's like, come on, like thisis a wedding, we want to make
sure it's organized and that'sthat's one of the biggest things
.
So, 100% hiring a professionaldj, photographer, anything, and
not just necessarilyprofessionals that you know
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actually do this for a living.
But they have insurance, theyhave a platform, they have a
website.
If they don't have a website,that's another red flag.
If you find them on Facebook,you know, and they say hey, I DJ
, it's five hours for $800.
That is a huge red flag.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Yeah, I've always
said it.
And of course there's weddings,there's budgets for all kinds
of weddings.
But I've always said it If yourvendor is really cheap, to me
that is automatically a no.
I mean again, there's differentbudgets for everybody.
But I honestly think, wheneverI see something so cheap, it's
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always going to end up costingyou more.
Yeah, I was looking at.
I was on Facebook earlier and Isaw an ad from this website,
Bark.
I don't know if you're familiarwith Bark.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
For dogs?
Yeah, which?
No, no, no not that one fordogs, for wedding professionals.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yes, for wedding
professionals, which I don't
know why it's called Bark.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But yeah, so I was.
I don't know why I just got thesponsored ad, I guess because I
like a bunch of wedding stuff.
And there was one and I guessit was specific to me, for
example for photo booths that itsaid you know, get a photo
booth for the entire day for$200 or something like that.
So I was like you know whatthis is going to be juicy.
Let me go to the comments andsee what people are saying.
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And then, of course, you see inthe comments a lot of
professional photo booth ownersthat they're almost like going
in there and saying, like hey,don't trust this app because
it's going to end up costing youmore.
And blah, blah, blah.
And photo booth owners tryingto say, like you know, it
doesn't cost 200, you know,that's how much we spend to do
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the event.
Like that means that the personthat you're gonna hire they're
not really making money.
Blah, you know.
Just.
That's a whole differentsubject.
But to my point is there was onecomment that stood out for me
and it was a I'm assuming it wasa potential or a bride, I guess
and she made a comment thatsaid oh my gosh, I just booked
my photo booth.
My event is in two weeks.
I'm very excited.
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I was like, okay, cool.
Then there's another commentunder two weeks later from the
same person responding to thatsame comment, that she was very
excited and she said, hey, myphoto booth person never showed
up.
And then I was like, oh, oh, mygod, the comments are gonna be
the best.
And, yes, you know, bark repliedright away.
You know they're like hey, youknow we, you know we are not
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responsible for that.
You know like we just promoteblah, blah, blah.
You know, I guess just coveringthemselves.
But then all of the otherpeople jumped in.
You know, like the photo boothowners that were commenting
before.
They were like, like we toldyou.
So you know, if you go withsomebody cheap, it's going to
end up costing you more.
This person didn't show up.
Now you lost your $200 orwhatever amount you paid.
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And if you ended up, you know,like, hiring somebody else on
like last minute, then you endedup paying more, exactly.
So it just happens.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah, because there
are companies out there that are
considered professionalcompanies, but they are all like
corporations and they can saythat they service Texas and they
service Florida and theyservice Virginia and all of
these locations.
And we've had this happenbefore where they're like hey,
we do DJ, we do photo, we dovideo, we do photo booth, and
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the client hires them and theday of it's a total disaster
because the people that they'rehiring are all contractors.
Yep, they don't.
They don't work for the company, they don't believe you know
what?
Or if the company has certainregulations that they have to go
with, they don't follow those.
They don't, they don't work forthis company.
All the time, they're justtrying to get their paycheck.
They don't't care, they don'tcare.
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Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
It's wild to me.
It happened to me not too longago where I had a company reach
out to me from California andthey were hired to do an event
here in San Antonio and theywere trying to subcontract me to
do the event.
And it was so funny because Iwas already working that event.
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So I guess it was a huge eventand they hired me to do a part
of the service and then theyhired the other company from LA
to do another part of theservice.
So the company from Californiawas reaching out to me to
subcontract me without knowingthat I was already at this event
.
So I told them I was like, hey,I was completely honest with
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them.
I was like, hey, I'm alreadypart of the event.
You know we'd be happy to helpbecause we already know this
client.
We've worked with them in thepast.
So you know, if you want tosubcontract me, we're happy to
do it.
And I guess they they justended up not doing too expensive
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because I feel like what theydo, like these national
companies, they they subcontractlocals wherever they the event
is.
But they try to pay them likeway, way less, so that they keep
the money and then they don'teven care what the quality is so
I guess in this case, thisperson, like they, didn't end up
hiring me and I don't know whatever happened with the rest of
the event, but the event alreadyhappened.
We went and we did see theother company working there, but
I didn't really ask like, hey,are you like the real company or
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are you a subcontracted vendor?
I mean, I didn't care.
Honestly, like it was, I'm not,I was not going to get into
that because it was not reallymy business.
But yes, that's normally whatpeople do when they say that
they you know that they offerall these kinds of things always
this is a pro tip right herefor our couples listening always
ask.
You know, there's so manyquestions that you can ask.
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You know, like, are you reallylocal?
Are you know who's gonna be atthe event?
You know, like, do you servicemore than one wedding per per
night?
Like, what about your equipmentbreaks down?
Like what happens?
You know, always get thoseanswers from the vendors that
you book, right.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
Not only that, but
making sure that you look at
their reviews.
You know a lot of thosecompanies are going to have
1000s of reviews and of coursethey're going to have like a 4.8
average, but if you really gothrough and look at them, a lot
of them are negative reviews.
Yeah, I remember this onewedding that we were at.
It was a couple of years agoand it was one of those
companies that was like photovideo, dj, photo booth and it
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was just.
It was really really bad.
I felt really bad for the bridebecause it got to a point where
the photographers were standingthere.
They were not giving them anydirection of what to do.
We were literally like tellingthe bride like hey, pose, like
this Groom, come around and grabher hand, you know, turn and
kiss.
Like we were literally liketelling the bride like hey, post
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like this groom come around andgrab her hand, you know, turn
and kiss, like we were doingthat and we're not photographers
, you know, we're your weddingplanner.
We're trying to make sure thateverything is running smoothly,
but these people were juststanding there or they were
nowhere to be found.
At some point the photo boothbackdrop was like crooked and it
was like this man and he wassitting on a chair and he was
like really oversized, like hecouldn't even necessarily like
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maneuver around.
The dj was supposed to havemicrophones and he didn't even
have a microphone.
The entire night he was using alapel microphone to make
announcements when they weregiving the toast.
They had to use the lapelmicrophone.
The sound was going in and out.
For a good amount of time therewas no sound.
And then the photographer andvideographer were just like they
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got picked up, like off thestreet Downtown San Antonio.
They looked like tourists.
They looked like they had neverbeen to this area before.
They didn't know what to do.
It was really, really weird.
This is like a little tea fromthat event I love it it was a,
it was at a hotel downtown andyou know, downtown there's,
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there's creatures, right?
of course things that happen, um.
So me and my assistant wereoutside I think it was during
the dance portion, um and Iwalked inside, uh, to make sure
that they were going to getready to cut the cut the cake.
I came back out and I was like,hey, have you seen the
photographer?
And she's like, yeah, I think Isaw her over there by like the
stairwell.
So I go up to her and I'm like,hey, like we're about to get
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ready to cut the cake.
She was like I found a littlefriend and I was like what do
you mean?
Let me tell you.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
She picks up out of
her hands and it's this mouse.
And I was like, stop it rightnow.
I was like, put that down.
Like we like why are youtouching that?
And she's like, oh my gosh, no,I think it's hurt.
Like it needs food and I'm likeI need you to go take pictures
cutting the cake.
Like what are you doing?
And she's like, ok, ok, so Iwalk inside, she follows me.
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Um, I get busy doing somethingelse and then I come back out
and I guess my, my assistant hadstayed out there I think she
may have been talking to one ofthe other vendors and I come out
and she was like girl, I waslike what?
I was like guess what she did?
She goes, guess what she did.
And I was like what she was golook under the stairwell oh no I
have a picture of this becauseI I know nobody will believe me
it.
It is a plastic cup.
The mouse is in the cup andthen there's another cup on top,
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like she was taking it home.
What the hell I was like whatare you?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
doing?
Did you let it go or did youjust leave?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
it there.
I didn't touch it, I'm nottouching that thing but I was
like what kind of weirdo Likethat's what I'm telling you, you
don't know who you're hiringLike this person literally
picked up a mouse from thestreets of downtown and was
going to take it to her house.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I cannot even, I know
.
Nope, that's not for me, meneither.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And you know, I don't
know what ended up happening.
I followed up with the brideabout her photos and she was
like, hey, we're still trying tofigure out when we're going to
get them.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know if she
ever got them.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I didn't hear from
her again, but I know that they
got a really bad review.
But I mean things like that.
You know you want to make surethat you know who you're hiring.
Even if it's a team of people,you know you want to make sure
that you communicate with themahead of time because they had
never heard from these peoplebefore.
They didn't even know who theywere.
Like I said, it looked likethey had just come in from out
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of the street, like they hadnever done this before, and
they're paying them a lot ofmoney and sometimes I mean, I
get it.
They're going to be like oh,photo and video for $1,500.
And it's like, let's do it,yeah, for eight hours.
I don't think so.
So, yeah, it's just really,really.
That is the main thing you knowas a wedding planner.
We want your wedding to runsmoothly.
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We want you to make sure thatyou're hiring professionals,
hiring people that are not goingto take a friend home at the
end of the night.
You know, and that's really themost important thing.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think, for example
not only I mean, of course, you
know the professional side of itit's definitely important but I
feel also like if you end upgoing with you know a friend or
a cousin or a you know somethinglike that that could
potentially ruin thatrelationship, you know, because
if something goes wrong, ofcourse, then you're gonna blame
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them, and if it's your cousin oryour best friend, then that's
gonna change your friendship.
Yeah, so try to avoid that.
That's definitely not a goodthing.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, especially if
it's not.
I understand if you're aprofessional company and your
friends was like hey, could youdo this for me?
You know that that'sunderstandable, but you want to
make sure that you have that.
You know, friend disconnectionfrom the business side for sure.
But if it's an and saying well,I coordinate weddings at my, at
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my office space, I'm the eventcoordinator for you know,
whatever bank you work at, itmight be, and I can do it for
you.
Like I'll do it, it's OK.
Yeah, that doesn't work either.
You know, your aunt is going tobe maybe getting hair and makeup
.
Who's going to make sure thatyour vendors are being checked
in?
Who's going to set out yourpersonal decor as you're walking
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down the aisle?
Maybe she wants to sit in theaudience.
She doesn't want to make sureyou get down the aisle.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
You know there's so
many different things when it
comes to the moment.
Yeah, she's not going to reallylike be paying attention to
that.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
She might help you as
you are approaching the day,
but she's not going to be therethe day of the party she wants
to be present with the party.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
She wants to drink.
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So, yeah, always be on thelookout.
Chantel, thank you so much forbeing here today.
I'm sure you'll be back.
I mean, there's so much to talkabout yes, yes, we can honestly
go for hours with thisconversation, but for now this
is it.
I'll make sure to add yourwebsite and your social media
stuff on the show notes and theblog for this episode.
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So make sure you guys check itout.
And again, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yes, thank you for
having me.
Can't wait to be back.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I know All right guys
.
Thank you so much.
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