Mark Henry Jr and MRCROCKPOT talk all things NFL Draft - 04/12/25

Mark Henry Jr. and @MRCROCKPOT talk all things #NFLDraft!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome back to the Tough Cover Radio show right here
on Fox Sports The Gambler, and I am joined by
one of my co hosts and one of my favorite
guests to have here on the Tough Cover Radio Show.
We've got my guy Dives. You can follow over on
Twitter at mister Crockby and check out everything he's doing
on YouTube over on the Party on broad podcast channel Dives.

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How are we doing, man?

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Doing well? Man? A couple weeks away from the draft.
It's almost Christmas.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, this is really we Dives, especially, I grind in
my own way all all year with you know, gambling
on college football, and that's how I kind of start
with the evaluation and finding guys. And we do a
podcast Dives and I together during the year called Armchair
Scouts that we're continuing right now with Shane haff and
Ryan Reese. But Dives is grinding the moment the NFL

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Draft ends. Dives will be grinding for next year's NFL Draft.
So he is an absolute machine and He's the perfect
guy to go to, especially early on when no one
else is putting out those content this summer in the
fall about the upcoming draft. Dives kills it more than
anybody I think, and Dives does a great job in

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general with all things drafts. So go and check him out.
Let's just kind of go from each position group and
talk thumbs up, thumbs down, thumbs in the middle, and
we'll highlight some guys as we go along, some storylines
as we go, some of our favorite guys for Dives.
But quarterback, obviously, here in Philadelphia, we don't have a
lot of need to talk about quarterback. But I think

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we're both pretty comfortably thumbs down on this class as
a whole compared to kind of recent classes. But the
question I'll ask you, I asked this to Shane last week.
Cam Ward, He's gonna go first overall. I think he's
your QB one. But do you think that this is
kind of a crazy reach for Tennessee. Should they be

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kind of considering other options and maybe taking best player
available figuring out quarterback in the future. I'm kind of
more of the mindset that this might end up looking
pretty kind of funny. In a couple of years, looking
at how they passed Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, some of
these other guys, I.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Fully agree, yeah, that should be the pick Travis Hunter,
Abdul Carter somewhere in that vein. What a bad year
for a quarterback a team that needs a quarterback. Because
I like cam Ward. He will be a first round pick,
no doubt about it. And he will be the number
one pick, no doubt about it. But if I put

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him on my big board, he's probably in my like thirties.
The door is much further down the line. So there's
a hope that maybe Jackson darts sitting there when the
Eagles are on the clock, and how he can use
that to trade a little bit. But for cam Ward,
there are some things to get excited about. You know,

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he's got a twitchy release, He's got good feel for pressure.
He plays like a point guard. He's big, like like
Ben Roethlisberger, but he can improvise, you know, on a dime.
He kind of has a funky side arm throw. But
there are some question marks about him. You know, his
decision making can be questionable at times. There's times when

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he throws some bad balls into the middle of the field.
He needs a lot of coaching in that area. But
in terms of alpha mentality, in terms of having a
dynamic arm and enough mobility to make plays out of
the pocket outside of structure, I think he's clearly number
one for the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
And you mentioned Dark there, and he's been a fast riser,
and I kind of look at Dort the exact same
way we looked at bo Nick's last year, where he's
a you know, fifties to sixties type guy. Obviously, Bonix
ended up going first round then playing really well last year.
He landed in perfect system. Though we'll see if Dart
kind of gets as lucky as bo Nicks does. Where

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is Dark for you in terms of how far down
past Schador or whoever you have as QB two, Where
does Dark kind of land for you?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Sure he will probably those chance he goes first round,
he'll probably be drafted day two. He is a reach.
He's a massive reach. He's more of a Day three
kind of guy. In the big scheme of things, there's
some promising physical skills, like if you're an RPO offense,
there are some things that might get you excited. He

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can extend plays, He can get some yards with his legs.
He's got a smooth and quick release. Very good underrated athlete,
I think, really fun player to watch during his time
at Old Miss. But those natural physical tools, someone's gonna
bet on those and far too high.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, and I want, I know, I'll just save the question.
Dives does not like Jalen Milroe. Not a Jalen Milroe.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
I remember, dude so and to be fair, like I
was a Jalen Milroe guy. I called him a first
round pick this time two years a year ago, and
I rooted for him, and I watched a lot of Alabama.
I don't buy it whatsoever. And I was wrong before.
I mean, I I threw some shade up bow nicks

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at this time last year's draft, and he looked great
last year. So who knows. But in terms of Jalen Milroe,
he he needs a lot of work. He's a guy
that can throw a deep ball. He's obviously a great athlete,
but when it comes to maneuvering against pressure, when it
comes to UH, hitting windows, finding guys in stride and

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making good decisions with the ball, man, he's he's light
years away.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Light years Yeah, let's move on to a good position
here and a position that might be the best position
group in the class. To be honest, maybe we can
debate that with another one when we get to the
last one. But running back one of the stories of
the draft. A great great position group here, especially top
two guys Ashton Genty Omarion Hampton, and I think as

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draft people in general, we use the word generational too often,
and I'm guilty of it myself. I think I've said
it about guys who have panned out to be anything
but generational at times. What I will say is, if
there's any use of generational that I think does apply,
it is to Ashton Genty. I think he's that special

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of a running back prospect. I guess what I'd ask
you is kind of where he ranks with some of
the top running back prospects of the last couple years,
like Bijon Robinson, And is he the best running back
in recent memory that you've kind of evaluated or the
highest guy that you'll have ranked in your big board.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
He's right at that same tier. I think he's a
lot for the top ten. I think he's a blue
chip prospect, just as b John Robinson was. I mean
b John Robinson when he came out, he was every
bit a blue chip prospect. And you look at Ashton Genty,
he's a bellcow man. He is a throwback running running

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back prospect, elite vision. There's not a lot of weaknesses
with this guy. He's kind of your like traditional, will
do it all, Saquon Barkley kind of back that you know,
is decisive in his cuts. He's got strong feet, a
lot of power, great vision, can manipulate defenders, can create,

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you know, can make defenders miss, win between the tackles,
outside the numbers, like, there's not a lot he can't do.
And I think he's got upside as a receiver to
be untapped at the next level. So he's your three
down back. And it's crazy he's not in my top ten,
which which is nuts. But but that don't get but

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a lot of that's positional value for me personally. I
just mind it's what it is. But anyway, I think
Ashton Gents is right there with Jon.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, he's a guy who I am usually the guy
who makes fun of running backs going high. I had
Bijon in the twenties. I was not as high on
Bijon as you know, a crazy generational prospect, as others were.
I'm crazy about Genty like he reminds me of LaDainian
Tomlinson like, which is not a comp that I would
normally want to throw out there as one of the
best players I've ever seen. So I just think he's special.

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But another guy who's got a lot of special traits
is Omarion Hampton, and I think there's a chance, my
bold prediction is Genty's gone before Jerry Jones can make
the can make the pick and he goes. Just give
me a Marion Hampton. Just give me that guy. He's
good too, And I think that it's kind of a
Jamiir Gibbs thing where he ends up going way higher
than we expect. How close is Hampton to Genty for

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you and your rankings, or how big of a gap
is there.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
There's a there's a good gap, there's a decent gap.
It's not I mean, I think in terms of Ashton
Genty top ten, no doubt into this draft. But I
think Martin Hampton will probably be drafted somewhere in the teens,
late teens, early twenties, and he's a great prospect. Man.
Another guy that's more of a do it all back

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load to bring down great size, great contact balance, but
light feet doesn't have elite breakneck long speed. But man,
he he's also got a weapon in the passing game.
He his tape is a lot of fun. And he'll
probably be a first round pick and he might not

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be the only him, and gent might not be the
only first round picks in this draft.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
And all that kind of segues right into this. The
two Ohio State guys are probably running back three and four.
Maybe Caleb Johnson or maybe some other people have something
to say about that. But out of the out of
Trevion and quinch On Jenkins, who do you prefer? Who
do you think as the higher upside?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I hate this question. I love both they're writing that
same tier. I personally think, and call me crazy, that
Travon Henderson could be the second running back off the board.
I think it's that much of a complete prospect. I
think he's underrated just in terms of being a leader

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on and off the field, his explosiveness. Teams always fall
in love with that. He's a great, great receiver as well,
just a home run hitter. And I think Trevon Henderson,
if I had to pick right now, I think is
the better running back. That being said, Quichan Junk is
great past protector, can pick up blitzes another just like

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Amarion and Ashton GenZ a complete running back prospect, you know,
more of a you can you know, push the push
the marker, get first downs. But I like Trevon quite
a bit and I think he's being slept on. I
think he's a sleeper to get picked over Amary and Hampton.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
Outside of that top five, those those top two we
mentioned the Tuahia State guys and kill Johnson. Who's your
favorite guy outside of that? That's probably maybe maybe a
Day two guy, maybe even a Day three guy. But
who's the favorite guy outside of this guys?

Speaker 1 (11:19):
No doubt it's Baseial Touton out of Virginia Tech. I
think he was the winner at the combine. He exploded
on the scene last year. It last two years, twenty
five rushing touchdowns, over two thousand yards. Man at the
combine four three eight forty yard dash. Then he had
a four to three to two forty yard dash. I
mean he put up better numbers than Sakuon Barkley and

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Jamior Gibbs in terms of measurables. A lot of people
saw him as a Day three guy heading into the combine,
but I think he's a solid Day two prospect. Has
a bit of a way to go, but there's a
lot to like about this guy. Great athlete, he's a
bowling ball. He would be a really fun pick for

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the Birds if he sneaks somewhere on that Day three range.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
I'm riding hard for r. J. Harvey from There's so
many guys that, you know, it's ridiculous how many guys.
I mean, DJ Giddons, Dylan Samson, camp Scatavoo, Devin Neil.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Rashard Smith, a former wide receiver, great fit to kind
of battle will Shipley in that that you know, RB
three role. You could talk about Damian Martinez. I think
he's got three down running back upside. There's a lot
of dudes in this is, like you said, a generational
class that we'll be talking day three on the draft party,

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and you know, how are these guys still sitting here?
I don't like it's crazy so.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
A position that I think I'll go thumbs in the middle.
I think Dove's gonna go thumbs up though, wide receiver.
Where we got on wide.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
Receiver thumbs up.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Yeah, because you love Trey Harris. That's your absolute though.
And I am so upset. I said this on our
Receivers show. We just did an armchair scouts. Everyone should
go check out on the Eagles pinfull network. I thought
I loved Trey Harris. I mocked him to every I
do these Twitter threads where I do mock drafts for
every team, and every team that needed a receiver was

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getting Trey Harris in the second round. I mean it
wasn't even an option. Had him twenty in my twenties.
In the rankings, I have him as a top second
round prospect, and then Dive sends his rankings in our
group chat and he put Trey Harris eighth overall. So
I'm like, oh, man, now I look like a hater
on Trey Harris having him twenty eighth. But I love
the guy. He's my wide receiver too in this class.

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I don't understand how some guys are getting buzz over him.
Why do you love Trey Harris so much?

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Because I think he's just a complete prospect. He's a
guy that can play inside and outside. He can create
separation off the line. Great contested catch guy, can stretch
a defense particlee. I think he's an underrated route runner,
and you just look at the production. He's not the
biggest guy, he's not the fastest guy. I just think

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in terms of probably being an elite wide receiver too
in the NFL, I think he's got everything you're looking for.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Tech McMillan, super polarizing guy. I am really high on
Tech McMillan. I think he's an elite receiver prospect, one
of the best I've evaluated in a while. I think
Marvin was better last year. To me, I think that
Dunsa was a little better. He's one of the five
or so best prospects I think of the last five

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years at the wide receiver position. For me, I just
love he's so prototypical that size, that X receiver. There's
not a lot of that in this draft. In terms
of the size, he reminds me of Drake London with
more kind of burst, more ability to go get it.
Where do you land on the Tech McMillan kind of
debate because there's people who think, like me, I have
him fourth overall, Like I think he's a top five

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go overall. Then there's people who think he shouldn't even
go in the first round, like Steve Smith. There's fanthers receiver.
Where are you at on Tech?

Speaker 1 (15:08):
Again? I really like this wide receiver class, but is
filled with you know, Z and slot kind of receivers.
There's not a lot of pure ex alpha dog number
one receivers on the outside like Tech McMillan. I mean,
he's a catchpoint monster. I think he's ten to fifteen
pounds away from being a Mike Evans clone. He's I

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think he could have done even more in twenty twenty
four if it wasn't for Arizona being a complete mess.
But obviously a guy that's going to dominate in the
red zone, dominate against smaller corners, great size, breakaway speed,
elite ball tracking, catch radius, measurables, can win vertically. I mean,
there's so much to like about him. He's currently my

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number four prospect overall on my big boy and a
blue chip guy all the way.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
Two guys that I'm not as in love with as
the general consensus out there at the wide receiver position
is Matthew Golden and Luther Burdon. I think you're a
little bit higher on them than me. But I don't
know if you have first round grades on them, kind
of sell me on why these are two guys that
should go up in that first round and kind of

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to these, you know, I feel like a lot of
these playoff teams at the end do have some wide
receiver needs, the Chiefs, some other teams out there, the Bills.
Is why Luther Burden and Matthew Golden. I mean, they
might not even be there at that point, but why
are they worthy of being first round picks for you?

Speaker 1 (16:40):
Luther Burden. I think DeShawn Jackson just an elite playmaker
with the ball in his hands. Did not put up
consistent production in twenty twenty four, and he came into
last season as a top ten prospect. He's a guy
that can create separation. He's a guy that you might

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need to, you know, move around a little bit on
offense in the NFL, might struggle against press, against bigger corners,
but he's a home run threat and he's a guy
that can take it to the house any moment. I
think his best football is in front of him. And
then Matthew Golden, I mean I think of Devonte Smith. Uh,
the guy's tape is out downright silly. I mean, his

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route running is crisp. He can make defensive best look ridiculous.
He can stretch a defense hit you in the middle
of the field. He's kind of been the guy that
has blown up ever since. I'd say, you know, the
college football playoff kind of came out of nowhere. I

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watched a lot of Texas and I kept waiting for
Isaiah Bond to, you know, blow me away. I kept
waiting for Gunner Helm to blow me away, Jayden Blue
blow me away, Quinn Yours. But it wasn't any of
those guys on offense. It was Matthew Golden, who made
ridiculous catches after ridiculous catches and sold me with his
route running. I think he's a total prospect. I think

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there's a chance. I think there is a small chance
he's the first receiver off the board after a tick.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
There's a chance he goes over to Well. I don't
think it'll happen, but there's a chance someone falls in
love with Golden. I think Golden it makes a lot
of sense to Denver at twenty. That's not the pick
I would make. I'd rather than take like a Trey
Harris or an egg Luca, but I could see tem
Payton falling for that type of guy moving on the
tight end, a position group that I am firmly thumbs down,

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thumbs down, tight ends. I'm out. But I love the
top two. I do love the top two. I love
Tyler Warren and I love Colston Loveland. I have Warren seven,
I have Loveland twelve. I don't think either of those
guys are nearly going to be even close to available
when it comes to the Eagles pick at thirty two.
Obviously a lot of controversies surrounding Dallas. Scott does not

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seem like he's going to be here. Not great poker
by Nick Sirianni in the media there, I felt like,
but a lot of talk about that kind of next
tier of guys, especially I'm hearing a lot of Elijah Royo,
a lot of Mason Taylor, a lot of people connecting
those dots. Obviously, there's there's Harold Fannin out there, there

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is Gunner Helm a couple of guys I'm forgetting but
for me, and this is kind of my bold take here,
and people aren't gonna like this because I think Mason
Taylor and Royo probably both go in the top fifty.
I don't have a tight end outside of Warren in
Loveland in my top eighty five. So there's a lot
of buzz. I heard Arroyo at or Taylor at thirty

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two to the Eagles today. How would you react to that?
And where are you at on this tight end class
outside of Warren in Loveland.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's been disappointing as a guy that I was very
pro tight end coming into you know, the Senior Bowl
and the combine and the depth have has kind of
just the buzz has kind of fallen off. Obviously, I'm
a big Tyler Warren guy. I think he's a top
ten prospect, just that tier underneath Brock Bauers. I think

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he's got it all. Not a great creator off the
line of scrimmage, but I mean he's the total package.
I mean, I would love him at Midnight Green Colston Lovelin.
I'm a big fan of He didn't get a chance
to kind of showcase his abilities last year due to
that mess of a quarterback situation at Michigan. But a
big receiver, more of a move tight end kind of dude.

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And my bold take is Mason Taylor's drafted over him.
I think Mason Taylor has a chance to be the
tight end two in this draft. I think in terms
of inline tight ends, a guy that can block, a
guy that can be a good receiver. I think Mason
Taylor is a very good prospect. We didn't get to
see him to his best abilities last year, but an

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elite level athlete, fluid mover. Most receiving yards he's had
in a game was back in twenty twenty three. Mark,
do you know how many yards that was?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
How many?

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Eighty eight? Yeah, So the production does not meet the hype.
But man, I think he's a weapon. I think he's
got true tight end one upside. A guy that I
really like for the Eagles on that day to ranges
gunner Helm. Because there's a lot of gadget guys, a
lot of guys that can do a lot of different

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things as a receiver, not a lot of tight ends
that are great blockers. I think gunner Helm is one
of those few that can be more of a tight
end two kind of guy with a chance to be
a tight end one. But Gunnerhelm was one of them.
Elijah Royal, great athlete, good blocker. I mean he's coming

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from a system in Miami that was a power running
style offense, so he's used to being you know, thrown
in there on the line of scrimmage, you know, block
blocking heads. But for me, at the end of the day,
I would be shocked if Mason Taylor's not a Phlodelphi
Eagle sometime day two.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
Wow, well yeah, I would. Really. I'm really hoping they
just don't take a tight end and that's.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
I'm with you. Bring back Dallas Goddards so we don't
even have to have this conversation.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
So frustrating once. I one thing I was thinking about today.
It just popped in my head. If Dallas Goddard's traded,
give me all the AJ brown stock. In fantasy, I'd
be taking all the AJ Brown stock. That's going to
open up some targets there.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Something.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Let's move on here to a position group that I
wanted to get to because something Dives and I might
disagree on here. I think Dives hates this O line class.
We I can't stand it. I've talked myself into it
a little bit more. I've got four first round grades
and then I've got nine second round grades, so I've

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got thirteen guys in my top fifty from a lineman,
and I've got three guys in the bottom half of
my top ten. Dives isn't as high. Dives thinks that
this is a lot of these tackles gonna end up
moving inside. But a guy that you do love, who
I think is kind of firmly planted into the first
round Dives does this once a year. He finds a

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guy who ends up like like Graham Barton last year,
where you're going fully fully ends up like being a
top twenty lock. It seems like that's great. Isabel from
North Dakota State. He's just outside of my first round.
He's my number twenty nine overall player, a top second
round pick. I think that's gonna end up looking dumb
potentially when he goes like twelfth. But tell me why

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he loves Abel Compared to.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Me, he's such a great athlete. If there's like one
position that would kind of shock me, especially in the
first round, it would be offensive line. Given how great
Stoutlin is at developing tackles with a lot of traits
and grey Zabel has the goods man. He's you know,
he didn't do a lot of athletic tape testing, but

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he had a thirty six and a half inch vertical
jump at the combine that was the best mark of
all offensive lineman. He's like six six. He's an old
school grinder that fits kind of that you know, blue
chip mentality or blue collar mentality on that Eagles offensive line.
Great positional versatility, He's got extensive snaps at guards and tackle.

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Wherever position in the NFL he can fill it. Negative wise,
he's been called for a lot of penalties. He did
decrease that a lot from from twenty twenty three to
twenty twenty four. But a guy that can be an
asset in any scheme. He probably could be that. He
could be that backup center, and to be honest, the

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Eagles don't even have a backup center right now. Man,
he could be a right guard, he could be a tackle,
he could be whatever how he wants him to be.
And man, he would just be perfect to groom in
that Jeff Staltlin University.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
And then with the top couple guys, with a couple
guys who I think are going to go in the
top ten here in Will Campbell and armand Membu, tell
me why you think that they're kind of more likely
to move inside and more likely to not be worth
that top ten pick.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Will John I mean, we're going to be talking about
Wigspan all night during the draft watch party.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
That's the theme with a lot of these guys, and
that's a big reason why I'm less high on this
class compared to last year we had Joe Old and
Fashnu and all these guys that I thought were elite
level tackles.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
Membo I think is going to be a top ten guy.
I think he's the best tackle in this group, has
a chance to be the first offensive lineman off the board.
I am not high on Will Campbell. He played pretty
much all the snaps that left tackle. But I think
on the interior, where he's working in a film booth,
is his best path to, you know, being star at

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the next level. But you look at some I like
the depth in this class a lot more than the
guys at the top. Guys like Tate Ratledge just an
elite athlete on the interior, a guy like Charles Grant
elite athleticism that could probably he's got a wrestler's background
by the way mark, he could start on the interior
work his way to the outside, a guy like Holland

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Pierce elite measurables to be groomed to be a tackle
of the future down the road. Uh, there's a lot
of fun ones. So for me, another one, another guy
that in love with him. I mean, I I I'm
not high on the class, but I think there is
depth and quality in that depth. Uh. There, I'm probably

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missing one. But yeah, Arion is a guy that I
think fits Eagles really well with they what they want
to do as uh, you know, a heavy run scheme.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
And I think he's a confirmed tackle a class of
a lot of tackles who might end up moving inside.
Like I think he's locked in. You know, he's gonna
stick a tackle long term. And yeah, it's officially close
to the draft because that I always have about I
feel like it's around twenty five first round grades, usually
not the thirty two. I mean, I think that's how

(27:18):
most NFL teams are allegedly, but I don't ever have
thirty two. But every year I have about twenty five.
I'm steady with that, you know, February through April and
we get to this point, I'm like, you know, I
do like Trey Harris a lot. I like it Buco
a lot, I like Grey's Abel a lot, I like
Ariante Ersery A lot of these guys first round grades.

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I'm gonna try to stop myself. I'm capping my first
round grade if I have it now. But Ursery is
making me think twice. I really do think that that
guy's gonna be worth a high pick and gonna live
up to that.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
It's such a fascinating story what the Eagles do at
thirty two. I mean, I've said this many times on
our show, Like there's not a lot of difference between
like outside just outside of the top ten, all the
way through thirty two, all the way into round two.
It's kind of depending on your scheme what you want
out of your prospects. It's all scheme fit. There's a

(28:13):
lot of question marks about a lot of these guys,
and there's a really good chance someone falls to Howie
and thirty two and they stay put and they get
them or I think the strength in this draft is
day two. They trade back, you know, load up and
just move all around the board on day two and
kind of get guys that fit what they're looking to do. So, yeah,

(28:38):
it's gonna be interesting to see how this board falls.
I still always believe in like best player available at
thirty two, which will probably be D Line. I think
the pattern we have seen so far, at least recently,
is you know, I think there's gonna be a major
run on de tackle and edge between rounds one and two.
So it will definitely be in how interested to jump

(29:01):
on those two positions from the jump. But it is
a really weird draft, and my rankings compared to like
mass media could not be different more different.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Yeah, it's you know, it's scary when you have those
rankings that are so different sometimes, but then you don't
want to just do group think and go back to
what everybody's thinking, because then what's the point of you
evaluating it for yourself. So I always struggle with that,
Like I have Benjamin Morrison eleventh overall, we're going to
get to that he might not go in the first round,
and you know, I might look pretty silly there. So

(29:34):
but let's talk about edge and D tackle. You just
talked about it there, and I think we can kind
of combo it a little bit there. It's just overall,
pass rushers and D Line. There's three guys that I
keep coming back to as my kind of dream scenario
that one of these guys is falling and we make up,
move up to twenty four or whatever the case may be,
and it's James Pierce is the top one for sure.

(29:58):
Derek Harmon from and Walter Nolan from Ole Miss. Those
are the three guys that I keep coming back to
as guys that I think could be Year one real
difference makers for the Eagles at pick thirty two or
obviously moving up just a little bit. You have a
ton of those picks on day three, maybe that could
help a little bit cause facilitated deal. I those are

(30:20):
the guys I keep coming back to as kind of
the dream scenarios. Honestly, if you want to open up
to beyond edgend tackle throws, who am I missing?

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Donovan Azeraku I think would be a really good fit.
I mean he has some struggles on tape as a
run defender, but as a pure pass rusher guy that
can fit into that rotation, good length, good first step
off the line of scrimmage. I think as a Roku
would be a guy that how we would be all over.

(30:51):
I think Kendeth Grant is another name that has some
really good tape, pass rushing skills, good run defender. TJ.
Sanders another guy that has a lot of traits. I
think he's more of a second round pick, but I
do think there's talent there. He just needs a lot
of coaching. A lot of coaching. But you name the

(31:12):
big ones. I mean, James Pierce Junior is kind of falling.
I don't think anybody has any idea where he's going
to come. I could see him going to top ten.
I could see him falling out of the first round.
There's some there's some weird reports out there for whatever.
Believe whatever you want, but at least when on tape

(31:35):
in college, he's dropped back in coverage a little bit.
He's an elite athlete, kind of fits everything the Eagles
want to do there. So he's a good one. And
then there's a lot of guys in like round two
and stuff. The guy that like I have been in
and out, like one week, I'm all in, the next week,
I'm all out is Nick Gordon. Nick Gorton is like six'.

(31:57):
Three he visited The eagles. Recently he took his picture
With Brandon graham and Made Brandon graham look pretty. Small
by the way interesting. Photo But Nick gordon is arguably
right there With Smart stewart as like the biggest boomer
bust pick in this, draft not the most explosive. GUY
i personally Think Nick gordon will be a more of

(32:19):
a defensive tackle down the, road and you're just you're
hoping it all comes. Together but, Man Smart stewart IS
i think the most fun prospect in this group in
terms of what the hell is? He his athleticism is
off the, charts one of the most athletic defensive lineman

(32:41):
we've seen in a, while, RIGHT i, mean is he
A Fletcher? Cox is he an? EDGE i think if
he were to come to The Philadelphia, eagles he would
be a defensive tackle like A Fletcher. Cox but, man
his tools are. Ridiculous and we saw a recent mock
THAT i Think Daniel jeremiah had him going to the
photo For, eagles AND i JUST i would BE i

(33:05):
don't know IF i would be excited about that. PICK i,
COULD i. AM i would be looking forward to that
draft watch, party, though because the reaction to that would
be really. INTERESTING i, mean he's he's got to be
high on the list of one of the most elite
traits you've ever seen in a defensive lineman prospect with

(33:27):
no production.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
And one NAME i didn't you didn't mention? There who
is just outside of that tier Of Pierce Armon nolan
for me Is, Princely Princely umanaleen out of Old. MISS
i have him as a first round. Guy SO i
like him actually more Than skrtin Or azeraku Or green
Or schmar Or. MICHEL i really really Like. Princely that

(33:51):
game he had Against, georgia he just terrorized, them AND
i feel like that lives rent free in my. Brain
where are you at on him as kind of An eagles?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
Fit? Which who's That?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Princely princely.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Just a mold of? CLAY i mean in terms of,
length in terms of being a three down, STARTER i
think he has all the. Tools he is great, production
it's just a matter of him putting it all together
at the next. Level there's a lot of guys like.
This and just to circle back On Derek, harmon who,
is without a, doubt one of my favorite picks for

(34:25):
The eagles at thirty. TWO i mean HE'S i don't
think he would be a sexy, pick BUT i think
he's the most realistic option to put on this defensive
line inside outside. Versatility he can win one on. Ones
his hips are a little, tight but man. LIKE i
think he can do a lot of things that we

(34:45):
saw From Milton williams and fit with Like, Moro jomo
And Jordan davis as just an amazing rotation next To Jalen.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Carter you Said Derek harmon might not be a sexy.
Pick speak for. Yourself i'd be hot under the. COLLAR
i Love Derek, harmon so he's. Perfect i'd be in
love with that. PICK i think he's the top fifteen
guy for.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
ME i haven't wow.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
COOL i have fourteenth, overall SO i really really Like.
Harmon and one last guy before we move on to.
Linebacker you mentioned or, well you didn't mention, Him Walter,
nolan the other old miss. Guy he's right there With.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Harmon for.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Me there as a lot of rumors he's gonna go
seventeen To, cincinnati So i've actually kind of stopped thinking about.
Him i've become more of A James Pearson Derek, harmon
that's my. Hope But Walter, nolan where are you?

Speaker 1 (35:33):
At on?

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Him as An eagles? Fit?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
Dude he's like my number eight prospect. Overall, okay, Wow,
Yeah i'm super. Happy definitely a bet high. Prospect another
guy that's kind of Like James Pierce. Jr has been
projected all over. Place a lot of variability with. Him
he needs to grow as a pass. Rusher he has

(35:56):
to develop, counters but you look at the base as a,
undefender you look at his upside as a pass. Rusher
on the Vic, FANGIO i think he's arsatility to be
a three. TECH i think he can play and even
front's odd, FRONTS i think he's got, major major upside
and with the future kind of uncertain With Jordan, DAVIS

(36:18):
i Think Walter nolan With Derek harman are probably my
two favorite.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Scenarios, YEAH i totally agree those. ARE i think those
are Both Jalen carter protectors as. Well it keeps him
kind of as a leader as he is right now
and keeps teams from being able to triple team him
and to take him out of the.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Game.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Linebacker there's two, Guys Jalen walker And Gid, campbell WHO
i am a little bit lower on than. CONSENSUS i
have both as high second round, prospects not as first round.
Prospects it seems like they're, both if not, locks pretty
close to locks to go in the first. Round what
AM i missing with both, guys especially Especially campbell BECAUSE

(37:00):
i think With, WALKER i know what my problem. IS
i think he's a tweeter in terms OF i don't
think he's good in, coverage AND i don't necessarily know
if he has the size to be an. Edge SO
i know my issues are With, walker although great, Tape
like there's a lot of tape out there that's definitely really.
Impressive With, campbell what AM i? Missing why should he
go top, ten top?

Speaker 1 (37:20):
FIFTEEN i THINK i don't think he's going top, ten top.
FIFTEEN i think he's more in the. Twenties oh THEN
i don't have a problem with.

Speaker 2 (37:29):
THAT i have him like thirty.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Something, yeah, YEAH i think he's more in the, twenties
if not probably high second. Round it's really the. TRAITS i,
mean this guy blew up at the. Combine his measurables
were off the. Charts he's got the you, know The bama,
bloodline and it's just really all about the. TRAITS i,
mean he's a guy that can you, know cover tight.

(37:52):
Ends he's a guy that looks really good at the
line of. Scrimmage just an athletic, freak amazing arm, length amazing,
speed six three two hundred and forty four. Pounds, YEAH
i think he's more of A day two. Guy but
it really wasn't until this combine that all this all
of a sudden he was getting all this first round. Bus.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah i've just seen a couple of, big big names
having like top ten, overall AND i think that's. Extreme for,
me it's kind of Where i'm. AT i think the
linebackers of thumbs down probably overall compared to some of
the for. Sure but outside of those, guys who's your
favorite third? Guy for, me It's Stanny. Stutsman i'm going

(38:36):
to take guests. That for, you It's Carson.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Schwessinger AM i? Right, no, wait, YES i have them
in the same. TIER i think it's LITERALLY i think
it's Like stutsman's like forty eight and Like. Schwessinger swessinger
is like forty. Seven like it's right. There AND i
Think Chris Pooh paul is right in that same.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Tier so did not know his nickname Was pooh until
until dives tole. ME i thought he was Just Chris paul,
junior AND i thought there was a lot of fun
to be had with. That, obviously with there being a
Famous Chris, paul there's even more fun to be had
With Pooh.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Paul there's A there's another guy That i've been mocking
to The eagles all the time and he, met actually
met with The, eagles and when it surprised me if
he's like a round three selection and kind of shocks some,
people Is Teddy buchanan out Of. California he's a guy
THAT i think Fits Vic fangio's scheme really. Well, again great,

(39:32):
traits forty inch for ten to, five, broad six to
two and thirty three. Pounds he had the best vertical
leap of all the linebackers that. Tested best vertical, Jump,
yeah best vertical. Jump and then you look at what he.
Does he's a great coverage. Linebacker Uh AND i think
he's one of the bigger sleeper prospects in this. Draft

(39:53):
so we're gonna be talking a lot about. Him he
might be in my top one. Hundred Teddy buchanon not
a lot of lot out, there but you heard.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
IT i like. IT i like. It so let's get
to WHAT i tease that running back might be the
best position group. HERE i think it's pretty. Clear actually
it's defensive. Back if you're combining corner in. Safety, overall
it's definitely defensive, back and it might just be corner
even if you take the safeties. Out but how many
defensive backs do you have as first round? Grades Because

(40:25):
i've got, nine nine first round grades if we're counting
corners in, safety six corners and three safeties depending on
Die baron's probably a, corner but six corners and three
safeties for me.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
A. Lot hold, On i'm still going, man And i'll just.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Read them off while to fill the. Air Will, Johnson
Travis houn Or Benjamin, Morrison Xavier, Watts Malachi, Starks Nicko,
Man Marie Darien, Porter Maxwell, harriston And Judai. Baron those
are my nine first round grades there for my defensive.
Back we're going to be doing our defensive back show
this upcoming week on The Armchair. Scouts everybody can check that.

(41:06):
Out how many did you end up? With and do
you have any different ones than?

Speaker 1 (41:09):
ME i THINK i have more than. You. Wow, yeah
in terms of first round, GREAT i think it's a sneaky.
Position Travis, hunter, Obviously Will johnson is my number one
prospect in the. Draft Sevon revel, junior great, size great,
athlete recovering from, injury should be ready to, go but

(41:32):
absolutely a stone cold outside cornerback at the next. Level
Benjamin morrison first. ROUND i think he's in my. Twenties
Jada baron is the best nickel corner in this. DRAFT
i think he's potentially a top, ten top fifteen. Guy
Trey amis out of miss is very solid as. Well

(41:54):
then you get to another combine, Winner Maxwell, harriston great,
size great, athlete, love, great great. Prospect there could be
a Sneaky eagles. Pick Malachi starks my number three or
four overall. PROSPECT i Love I've i've been a mala
Car starks guy for. Years his tape last year isn't

(42:18):
as good as it was in twenty twenty four or twenty,
three but he is a great center. FIELDER i just
his tape is amazing And i'm not going off that.
Hill then you get TO Nicki, man worry uh inside the,
box elite athlete that is just a mold of. Clay

(42:40):
someone's gonna roll the dice on him and just say,
Whatever let's see what we. Got in. Him he's that
popped off tape on a really Underrated South carolina. Defense
AND i mean you could go on and on About
xavier WATTSON i Love exavier watts best ball hawk in this,
draft but could be a sneaky you know guy to

(43:01):
watch Is Kevin winston out Of Penn, state who also
had an elite pro day that nobody talks, about was
hurt basically all last. Year was a first round pick
heading into last. Year could be a sneaky round two
selection for.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Sure so let me get you out of. Here on
one final, question IF i made you predict right, Now Philadelphia,
eagles what happens on draft? Night give me either a trade,
down trade, up stay in the same spot who they.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
TAKEN i think they stay put number thirty? TWO i.
Think CAN i give you my dream? Scenario yeah for? Sure,
okay here we, go all, Right so The eagles will trade.
Back they trade back from thirty two and get an
extra you, know day two selection at number round forty.

(43:52):
Five and is a guy that we haven't even talked
about Is Brandon swinson out OF. Lsu he's an edge,
rusher great. MEASURE i Love Bradon swinston. MAN i think
he's a terrific. FIT i think he fits The eagles
scheme to a t amazing run, defender has all the
traits how he will be looking. FOR i think they

(44:13):
end up With Mason. TAYLOR i think that's a. LOCK
i think in terms of in line tight, ends he's
right there at the top of the. List and then
lady guy on my, list give me, something and THEN
i think they end up With andrew. Mccooba andrew mccooba
is a safety out Of. Texas we didn't even talk about,

(44:33):
him but he is a guy that fits The eagles
in terms of. Versatility he's a guy that can play.
Deep he's a guy that can play the. SLOT i
was shocked at His ris scores and testing at The
combine BECAUSE i thought his, tape just Like Malochai, starks
was way. Better BUT i think he is the versatile

(44:55):
kind of chest piece like A cooper De gene for.
Them SO i like him a. Lot and those are
my guys. Man outside of, that if they stay put
at thirty, Two Walter, Nolan Derek, harmon those are our
great selections for The. BIRDS i Think donovan As araku
is really high on how he's, list he probably goes top.

(45:19):
Twenty Mike green throw him off the out the. Window
he's not on their big. Board AND i Think corner
is a Sneaky day two selection for The eagles as.
Well you look at what's available In Shavon Ravel, junior
or you look At Benjamin morrison Or Maxwell. Harriston those

(45:46):
are all guys that fit The eagles really.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
Well, yeah for. Sure just while we're we were throwing
out names, Late DB's a guy Who i've fallen in
love with over the. Process Noel williams from cal is
a guy who i've ball, hawk just just an absolute.
GAMER i love how he covers and, Yeah i'm Just i've.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Become a big.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Fan he's sixty one overall for, me BUT i could
see him kind of rising up. There but that was
great stuff. THERE i thought we'd end up going way
longer than THEN i thought on going through all the,
positions BUT i think that was a nice little primer
on all the position groups there for someone for the
people maybe who are jumping into the draft of just
a couple of weeks to. Go, everybody go and check

(46:27):
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