April 26, 2025 • 27 mins
Nick McClay joins Mark Henry Jr., Sean Barnard, and Sam Oshtry on the Tough Cover Show to dive into the first three rounds of the #NFLDraft, talk player comps for #Eagles draft picks Jihaad Campbell and Andrew Mukuba, and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
We're hitting the hotline here and bringing in one of
our favorite guests from The Gambler right here. You can
follow on Twitter at Nick McLay twenty two. Uh, you
guys did a stream the other night. I was watching
before I had to hop on mine and I went
back and I was fast forward and through for like
when I saw big reactions and I was watching your
guys streams.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So you guys were killing it over there a little.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Let's let us over there in McLay.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Yeah, we had to chop it off. We had to
chop it off a little bit. It was getting getting
too much to do. How to get rid of it?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hey, you got to get it out of your eyes
when it's draft season. Yeah, you got to see clearly exactly.
So we're pumped to have Nick on talking all things
NFL drafting.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know what, we haven't hit on it yet.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Let's get to the Eagles. Let's get let's talk about
the Birds. Let's talk about the two picks they've made.
And they traded obviously their third pick for a couple
more picks today, so only two picks to talk about.
Let's start with Jaha Jaha Campbell. Linebacker Alabama.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I I'm a.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Little lower on Jahad than some of the people out
there like Mina Comes who have him like top five,
or guys who have him top ten, top fifteen. I
had him thirty three overall. I had him as a
second round grade. But picking the thirty three guy at
thirty one or thirty two or thirty one technically because
he traded up, that's pretty good value.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's fine by me. I've actually come around on it
a little more. I view him.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm more bullish on him as a linebacker than an
edge He would be the zero point three to six
percentile weight for edge rushers. As a linebacker, I think
he's an incredibly, incredibly athletic kind of piece of clay
that you can mold into whatever Vic Fangio wants him
to be Zach bonn ideally, and I think that there's
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things like instincts, coverage getting crossed up, like those types
of things. I'm more confident in those things getting coached
out by Fangio and him being a linebacker who blitzes
than I am with him being an edge rusher at
his weight.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But Nick, where did you have him on the big board.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I had him.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Seventeen, So I like, but great value for me, and
we we trade it up. Yeah, but we just kind
of traded up just to kind of play defense on
someone else.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Ye cause chief weren't going to get him.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
They're not They're not looking at a linebacker, so we
were just playing defense. We give up a fifth round er.
I think it was we have like four of them.
We have the we had the the you know, the
space to give up. But I think you were right
that he is going to play more of that linebacker position,
but he still has the ability to do that, you know,
on the line of scrimmage. I think he can be
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a value player where you don't care where he plays.
You put him on the field, He's going to go
out there make a play. He'll find the ball. He
has a knack for the ball, and he just he's
at Alabama the defensive the leader, like you know what
I mean, you can't go wrong with someone from the
SEC that it was a high caliber player, and I
just I think it's a great value pick at thirty one.
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Didn't give up much. I think he comes in I
had him comp to Zach one. I had him comp
to Zach Bond and Tremaine Edmonds. So I think this
is a great fit for for Vangio to, like you said,
mold him into something. And I'm even more happy about that.
Andrew mccooba pick, I think he's going to be a star.
I had me and Coyle were doing some hot takes
on Twitter the other day. I said, Andrew mccub is
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going to be the best safety in this class, which
obviously reach, but I think he's going to be a.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Ballhawk out there for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I love the mccooba pick as well. There's definitely I
think mccooba I had him. We both had him around
the same grade, right around where he got drafted.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I would have preferred Watts, But when when you get to.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The sixty fourth pick, the likelihood that they're going to
take the guy you want is actually less than the
guy that you don't even have in like your top
one hundred. Like you've had moments like that in the
past where they take a guy on day two who
I hadn't even looked at yet. So it's nice to
get the number two guy available at a position of
need that you know, and I think mccuba was besides Watts,
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mccouba would have been the only other safety that I
would have felt felt good about starting day one. He's
similar to Watts in a lot of ways in terms
of being a ball hawk playmaker. Five picks last year,
did it at the SEC a huge play in the
playoff game against Arizona State to close that one out
with a pick. I'm really excited about Macouba, excited about
Jahad as well, But I I guess i'll I'll throw
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it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where are you at on Jahad?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
In terms of how he's gonna where he's gonna line up.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
For it for the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think he's gonna line up off the ball. I
think he's going to be more of that off all
linebacker to start. Because you think in the off season
we sign a these Ujilari, we sign Josh Uche. I
know those guys aren't going to come in and make
an immediate impact, but they're at rushers. They're they're not
capable of playing off the ball. So I think we
line him and balling up. We don't know about Nikobe's injury.
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That's kind of uncertainty that's throwing up in the air.
I think we just throw him in the middle of
the field and let him make plays. I think he's
an athlete that just has a knack to find the ball,
knack to cover the He'll learn, you know, more, as
we go. He's not polished, he's not perfect, but coming
into a system with vig Vangio, I think is only
gonna make him better.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Obviously, coming into a defense with.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That, you know, as your leader, I think he comes
in and I think he does have an immediate impact
in this Eagles defense.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
My favorite Eagles outcome of the day is that they
didn't reach on a mid tight end who I had ranked,
Like my tight end three was eighty eighth, so like
outside of Warren in Loveland, I was out on the
rest of this class. The Mason Taylor's, the Elijah Rouyos,
the Ferguson's, all those names, fanning a couple of the
other names.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I am absolutely psyched that they didn't reach.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
On one of those guys, and I'm praying to the
gods that hopefully this means Hallie and Dallas can have
a meeting of the minds and say, let's let's go
one last dance, one last dance. We'll give you a
couple more million dollars to hold jove or until next year.
Let's let's let's have a let's let's you know, there
was no replacement for Dallas Goddar in free agency that
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made sense.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
There was no replacement in.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The draft unless you were going to trade up for
Warren or Loveland who went in tenth and fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So I'm absolutely pumped at neither of these picks was
a tight end.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah, good, Like, I think we've undersold that a little bit.
Like I get the injury concerns and obviously the finances
and the contracts sort of the larger storyline here. But
like I, I don't see a what when just talking
about from a pure talent perspective or winning football games,
there's an improvement in any of these directions here. So
I'm in agreement, Mark, I hope there is a meeting
in the minds. Let's run this back. They won the
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Super Bowl, good lord, man, Like, let's buckle up and
do this again.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And he dominated in that playoff run too.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, he was a key contributor to that offense in
all for the every single playoff game. So I don't
understand why the wouldn't be a meeting of the minds
and try to work something out. But I think you
got to try, you got to try to bring them back.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
How we be.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
We've also kind of seen how we be cut throat
in that regard, like if you're not a position where
he completely values you, which of course the quarterback, defensive
line positions that he really values the most out off
all teams value. He's pretty cutthroat, like he like you
just said, CJ, he just traded him after he was
a huge part of that Super Bowl team. So if
Howie is has that approach, he's gonna be like tight ends. Yes,
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Dallas got it, did contribute a lot to that super run.
He's been awesome for the Eagles really since he got here.
But it is he replaceable? And the answer is probably yes.
So that's what Howie's thinking, where it's like, yes, we
need a good tight end, but Dallas Goddard himself, his
talent is replaceable. So he's been pretty cut throat in
that regard, and I could see him being like, maybe
how he's the one not meeting him halfway at the tape.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think you're right, No, I think that is what's happening.
I disagree. I'm like Howie.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I love you, I trust you, but I disagree with
you here, pal like, I really really just don't think
that replaced. And if there was a Mike is SICKI
out there, or if you can make a Michael Mayer
trade or a Cole Comet trade, like if you could
go get the fifteenth best tight end or whatever you
want to say, a league average starting tight end.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'm man, I'm not confident any of these rookies.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Can start next year for any of the teams they
land on, besides Warren Loveland obviously.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And by the way, we.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Talked about comps and I want to get back to
Jihad and Macouba with comps as well. But it's funny
the the comp for Tyler Warren for me is Dallas Goddard.
Like I think Tyler Warren is Dallas Goddard with a
little more juice, who stays healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Quarterback at what he's a little better quarterback. To you,
he's a better quarterback than Goddard. Hey, who knows.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I had to go look at the South Dakota State tape.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe maybe Goddard was lined up there. I don't know.
But Goddard's stats.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think have always been hurt by the all by
the scheme that the Eagles run in terms of him
being the third option in a run heavy scheme and
with a quarterback who runs a lot. I think his
stats have always been deflated from like where he is,
and I think that's always hurt his kind of standing among.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Tight ends at times.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
But uh, and Warren is a guy who we're all
losing our minds about, we're all falling over.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think Indy like won the first round, getting.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Unbelievable that he fell out of fourteen.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Without having to move up as their dream, obvious need
for them, yeah need.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And we're comparing I'm comparing him to Goddard like some
people are comparing him to Hawkinson.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I actually think, god, it's better than Hawkinson.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
So yeah, I actually have Warren komp to Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah yeah, I mean I have Lovelhin.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Comp to Goddard. So that's that's funny how we flipped
on that.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
That's I mean, you think about the Colts, All mocks
were just penciled in a tight end, penciled in a
tight end, and then you look Colson, Loveling goes over him,
or is does? Then does Warren sneak above fourteen, and
they didn't even have to trade.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Up for him. So you're right.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I think that the Warren just falling into their laps
is their dream right there.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You mentioned your comp for Jahad is Bond, and it's
a popular one, and everybody's phone Bond and Fred Warner
and Rokwan and all these like all.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
World linebackers out there.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
My comp was much funnier, uh, and my I made
this comp before the draft. My comp was playoff Or
and Burks, which is pretty hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oren Burks graded out as the number four linebacker on
PFF last year, which is an unbelievable stat and then
went out and got one year three million dollars. I
kind of wish they would have just paid oron Burks.
But Oran Brooks in the playoffs was everywhere on the field,
like that guy is he? Actually I didn't know this
when he came out of the draft yet, like a
nine to nine relative athletics score.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So and if you line it up to Jahad's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's directly like basically the exact same player from a
traits and and size standpoint. So I thought that was
funny that everyone's putting out the Bond thing, and I'd
playoff Waron Burks and and one of my buddies was like,
I'd rather see bond than than Oron. And I was like, hey, hey, hey,
layoff Oran, let's let's let's make that clear. And then
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the mcuba I actually didn't. I had mccuba comp to
Ronnie Hickman. I don't think most people know who Ronnie
Hickman is, so mccuba in terms of his Eagles comp
there's a lot of Chauncey. There's a he's a little smaller.
There's a lot of Chauncey Gardner Johnson there. It does
seem like the Eagles have kind of viewed a bit
of an archetype with some of these guys that they
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like and that they're kind of following through on.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
What do you kind of think about those?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, I have mccouba as a come to joyan blackman
and like a ceiling of Jakwan Brisker just kind of
going out playing all over, having a shell over the top.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Wherever the ball is, he'll be there.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So I like that cop not too you know, up
to speed on Ronnie Hickman, but I think mccouba will be.
Like I said with Jahia Kampbell, I think they'll both
be impact players. Maybe mccuba not right away playing behind
Reid and Sidney Brown, so but either way, I think
they'll both be impact players.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I only know about Hickman because I liked him in
the draft and then he had He's been pretty good
for Cleveland. Who give me outside of the Eagles, outside
of you know, Travis Hunter Cleveland should do or the
big things we've talked about, A winner and a loser
so far from the draft.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'd be a terrible Cyclone fan if I didn't say
the Houston Texans. I think I'm gonna say right now,
I think they won the damn draft. You get two
Iowa state receivers, both pulled out a thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You get CJ. Strautz, some weapons, gigs.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Is out, uh tanked out, doesn't have a leg right now.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Give me give me the Cyclones, give.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Me the production and they got the big boy from Minnesota,
Ariante Ercy. So give me the Texans as a winner
and a loser. I don't know about a loser. It
just they didn't really do much. But the Vikings didn't
do much.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I had number.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
They got a good I love that Itvan Jackson, but
they didn't really make any move. Ty Felton wasn't too
really up to speed on him wide receive around in Maryland.
The only reason I'm saying they're losers because they didn't
really do much. You addressed the offensive line. I do
like that in the first round. I do like Thatavan Jackson.
I think I had him just outside of that first round,
but Vikings didn't do much. But Texans man, I might
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be a Houston Taxan fan, like the in Houston Texan Fair.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think if I was going biggest winner for me,
I'm going Carolina. I love what Carolina did, and obviously
I'm high on Tet taking him eighth. I've been talking
about that for months that I hope they that they
give Bryce Tet. I loved Lagette last year. I don't
know if he necessarily lived up to how I felt
about him. But he slots down now and you have
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a couple other guys that can slot in as the
number two and three guy, but tent Is I think
a guy that you can slot in there as your
wide receiver one. I think there's a ton of Drake
London I actually think he's got more juice kind of
than and some wiggle than Drake London. And then you
go out and get two edges that I really really like,
like prince Ll Mamaline. I had him as my number
twenty overall player. They got him in the mid third round.
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Nick Gorton wasn't a guy I thought I loved going
into the draft. I had him thirty six, and compared
to most people who had him like top fifteen, top twenty,
I was low on him, but you were abody to
pick him up in the mid second round, and those
receiver and edge were the two biggest needs. It felt
like coming in for Caroline Love when Carolina did to
mention the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I actually had Minnesota queued.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Up as a loser as well, because I'm not a
big fan of the Donovan Jackson pick. I had him
fiftieth overall, so I thought it was a bit of
a reach. A lot of o lineman still that I
liked there, but my biggest loser, and you know, I
apologize to Kellen Moore, who I've been bullish on as
a future head coach for a long time. You go
out and you draft Kelvin Banks, ninth. Kelvin Banks is
the guy who I don't see it with. I have
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him forty third. There's I think I had him like
offensive line eleven. I think he was my eleventh thranked
offensive lineman. I think they took him as the second
one off the board, maybe third, and then you go
out and you take Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I can't. I don't get it. I've never gotten the
Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Then.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I didn't get it when people liked Texas Tech going
into that one season. I didn't like it all the
way back when he was replaced by Anthony Brown at Oregon,
Anthony Brown who's now completing forty eight percent of his
passes in the UFL. Anthony Brown. I do not get
the Tyler Shuck thing. I feel like every time I've
ever bet on Tyler Shuck or watched him, watched him
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in a game, I bet against him, I've walked away
being like, this guy stinks.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What a stupid name. I can't believe he went fortieth.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He's like twenty. He's gonna be like twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
He was in Trevor Lawrence's recruiting class Herbert for two years.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I need to know right there.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
As far as like, shuck some of those combine reps.
By the way, you've seen some of those clips float
around of him, like.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Someone tried to find that for me if you if
you can, and so he can pull it up because
we were.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I pulled it up on the draft stream we did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's and everybody's focused on the throw in the clip
from the combine, the footwork, yes, and what he's doing
with his arms with the fakes or even worse to me,
it's like he looks like he's never played quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Before in that clip.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's like if I stepped out there, I was like,
all right, here's how quarterback looks like.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Reaction to reaction to set at all.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
They showed a clip of his whole watch party where
they're streaming the whole thing, which is pretty embarrassing, but
they were streaming the whole thing, and when he was drafted,
Dion's just like wow, like he was like this this guy,
this guy out of everybody, this guy is drafted ahead
of my son.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
He was like, wow, it was pretty talent.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'll throw it to Sean and Sam. Do you got
any questions for Nick?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
As far as like the Eagles perspective, so it feels
like some pretty clear I don't want to say replacement.
I think the safety's more of a replacement pick and
the Jihad Campbell more of kind of a talent pick.
Is there anything that you think they missed all or
guys that we should have our eyes specifically set out
for on day three here that you think are clean
fits for this team?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I don't know. I really wish why Mullum drop man.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I heard Mark talking about him earlier, but me and
him have been all over White Mullum since the start
end of the combines, even before that. The man is
just a maeler, doesn't allow anyone in the backfield. He'll
go out head hunt. But nothing really too crazy that's available.
I mean there's still some like receivers out there. I
like Jalen Wayne as a speedy guy from Virginia Tech.
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I don't know, no, I'll say me and Beef have
been going over the running back Devin Neil. I don't
think he really would be doing nice with us, But
I love Devin Neill. I think wherever he goes, he's
going to be an immediate impact.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Then here's the show.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I love it and get a little bit of a
footwork on Tyler.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Tyler, shoot here and throw up. Yeah, you can see,
just have a teeth here.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Oh boy, it's throw.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
More than anything.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's what he does with the It's it's so awkward.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Not a single part of that is and it's one thing.
If you like, then complete the pass.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Why does he run away after he throws that?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Throws literally in the dirt? I mean fifty cents.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
His first pitch was better throw than that.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That was terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't get the shock thing at all.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But even Dylan Gabriel, Like I don't be honest, I
don't get Gabriel.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I get it more.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
At least Gabriel was like insanely productive at the college.
I'm a hater, Like I think I remember when he
was at Oklahoma. Shane haff who's an Oklahoma grab, big
fan of Oklahoma, he he was like Dylan Gabriel ninety
percent of his passes of screens. He's like he's addicted
to throwing it at the line of scrimmage. So Ever
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since then, I've kind of been like he's kind of
had me Gabriel built since he pointed that out to me,
because it's hard not to notice when you're watching him.
But even him, I get it more than Shuck, Like
at least he's like a pretty good athlete, can move
around like, had a high level of production, won a
lot like Shuck, didn't win anywhere he went.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
He was. He was at three schools.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
In the span of seven years, and he didn't do
anything worth no, Like, I don't whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He's had a few surgeries on his legs too, hasn't he?
Am I making that up? I think I actually didn't
know that I might be making that up, but I
think he's It makes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sense though, why else would he have a seven year Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Years, probably got a medical medical red shirt at least once.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If another guy that I'm looking at that's still on
the board, Marcus Mobo or Mabile from Purdue, I'm surprised
that he's still on the board. If we're looking at
guys that we want to develop on the offensive line,
I like him. If he's still there when we're still picking,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't even mind a trade up for
him with all the picks that we got. But that's
someone that I'm looking at down the board.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
The problem with my best available, or a lot of
them are at positions like we're probably not my number
one guy's Dean Walker. I've been banging the drum for
d Walker for a year. I would I would freak
out if we got Dean Walker today.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That play last.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Everybody's downgrading him because it's twenty twenty four. They found
out at the combine he was playing with a broken back,
a lot of spine, man, unbelievable, and everybody's camp, everybody's
thing for him was he plays to upright all of
a sudden in twenty twenty four, he got to upright. Man,
it's a broken fracture. But Jack Sawyer off the edge
is a guy I'd like to see to the Eagles.
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I'm a little higher on him. I think he's just
got a high motor linebacker. Danny Stutsman probably not looking
to draft the linebacker. A couple a bunch of running
backs if we just want to list, uh, Dylan Samson,
DJ Giddons, Cam Scataboo, Bashual Touton, Devin Neil, Damien Martinez,
Jaydon Blue Berchard Smith, Like, there's a lot of running
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backs so I think could make impacts for whoever drafts them. Today,
look au Manor I always forget to say that it's
not elok a Uman or it's it's like not how
you would think it is. Pronown Tyler Baron, Kyle Knard
at Edge, Jared Ivy at Edge. One deep guy. This
is a Day three guy, or I'll throw two guys
out there. This is a Day three guy. And technically
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we're already on day three, so everybody's a Day three guy.
He was always going to be a Day three guy.
There was never a chance he was going high. I'm
bullish on this guy out of San Jose State. For
all the haters out there on my draft stream, say
hate all the small schools. I hate all the small
school guys. Nick Nash. I believe in Nick Nash to
find a role. That guy was so productive at Santase
ste good size, great wiggle, really great route runner.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm really really in on Nick Nash.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And one more guy I'll throw out there because his dad,
like my tweet yesterday about him, Chris Paul Jr. Linebacker
out of Tulsa not CP three was not in. It
was not like my tweets last night. Unfortunately it was
coach Christopher Paul Senior. Uh for those who want to know, which,
by the way, is one of my favorite things in
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draft season when you're tweeting about guys and you get
the dads and the brothers and the the moms.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
For NBA Trevling, Queen's mom still like like all my
tweets and like still follow Queen when he.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Was for college playing parents. Yes, they just are so proud.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
It's like you tweet one thing about their kid and
they love it, and then you tweet one negative thing
about their kid and they are in your mentions.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Anything negative.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Just John Jansen about EJ. Warner. He tweeted about J.
Warner and he had Kurt breathing down his neck. But
my my.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Story Warner turn out.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
My story with that is.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I can't remember his name now. He signed with the Jags.
He was a safety for the Jags. Oh my god,
I can't remember. That's so annoying. He got paid a
lot of money, and I Rayshawn Jenkins, Rayshawan Jenkins was there.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He went somewhere.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I forget where he was before Jacksonville, but he got
paid a lot of money to go to Jacksonville as
a safety.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I'd like to consider myself a pretty plugged in
guy to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I had never heard of Rayshawn Jenkins when he got
like thirty million dollars for three years or something like that,
and I tweeted it out, like, man, a lot of
money for a guy I've never heard of, and Rayshawn
Jenkins' wife got in my mentions and was like, you
clearly don't know Paul Like this guys has been a
stud for years, Like he got cut.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The next year they had he half that con track.
How you feeling Enkins?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
These family members? Ever heard of burners? Just behind a burner?
Or why do you care?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Man? Like in that spot specifically, you guys just got paid.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You guys just made it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Why are you worried about what Mark Henry Junior is
saying about you?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To mind?
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Like, if I'm in that spot, I'm probably out on
social media completely or not scrolling at least like that.
It blows my mind how how like attentive these guys
are to it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You do get the positive stories though.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Lamar Butler from Kentucky I was tweeting about how he
was like the whole X factor for that team all season.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
He like ended up following me and d m me, like,
thanks for talking nice about my son.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Likes those things are are pretty nice, Like that's that's
cool to say, I like, but there's obviously the other
side of it as well.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
But one more question before I did that.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, where does Shudor go? Like Raiders are here,
they're picking six in the fourth. After that, I kind
of think.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Pittsburgh So I saw, I know DraftKings is promoting Pittsburgh
is the betting favorite for it. I can't believe that
he's still on the board. It's got to be Vegas
or Pittsburgh is kind of what it bloils down to me.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
But it was already like why why would Pittsburgh at
this point they must have a plan, Like Pittsburgh must
have a plan at quarterback right now? Andrews their cousin,
Like they know they're not going to the season with
with Mason Rudolph as their starting quarterback, even if you
don't like prospect, that would be inexcusable.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I kind of think Mike Tomlin's just stubborn enough that
he's like, I don't care who's that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
We're going to go nine to eight and make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
And it's kind of worked for him in his defense here,
I kind of think he's that stubborn with it. But
there's got to be something you can't have. Mason Rudolph's
QB one.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I could see him getting undrafted, honestly. I could see
him getting undrafted, and then he has to reprove himself
and he obviously tanked all his interviews and his arrogance
was really a turnoff for a lot of teams. But
he can reprove himself through the undrafted free agent market
and meeting with teams again kind of I don't know,
showing a little more humility that these teams obviously rafted.
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Like he's a lot of round people's sports are, yes,
but he is off a lot of teams boards.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Completely all in the pre draft process at all.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think there's six teams to watch for today. For him,
it's Pittsburgh is the obvious one. Vegas who's passed.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
On him like five times already. Probably I'm probably.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Anti Brady, Yeah, I'm probably less inclined to think that
it's Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Dallas. You can't count Dallas out. I think Dallas.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think Jerry would draft him before he went on drafted,
just to like to be nice.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I would love if the Cowboys that awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It would be so funny.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The Rams, I do think the Rams makes some sense.
The Rams have shown that they like developing that backup
or picking up the reclamation project and trying to trade them.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The Jets, you only have Fields.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't want that at all, because I just want
them to try to give Fields like a true chance
to be the guy because he's at it anywhere, and
then I'll throw the Colts.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I do think the Colts are.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Someone that you have to throw in there who are
just desperate for anything right now.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So yes, that would be where where i'd lean.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, I guess out of the first round, just the
first round, what was your least favorite pick, McLay, What
pick happened in the first round that you were like,
what is this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Thing really like?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
The Lions? Tyler Williams.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I like Tyler Williams as a player, but I don't
think you had to get him right there.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I think you could have waited a little bit for him.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I'm not saying that he's not going to be a
good player, but he reminds me a lot of Alee McNeil.
I'm having the same two players on that same line.
It kind of confused me a bit. Not saying it
was a bad pick, but I think you could have
gotten him maybe in the second round, maybe traded up later.
But I just don't think he was that first round
talent in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'll say it was a bad pick. I would be
right there for me. My least favorite was Kelvin Banks
at nine.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I just that guy got brutalized in some big moments
against Georgia and against some top edge rushers. And taking
him ninth, like there's so many guys still on the
board they needed tight like they don't have a tight end.
You could have taken Loveland Er Warren that they could
have looked at, They.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Could have looked at a lot of guys. I really
hate it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Nick McClay there he is. You can follow on
Twitter at Nick McClay twenty two. Checkout everything he's got
going on over there with Beef at Beef upfront as well. McClay,
thanks for coming on.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Thank you guys, Thank you guys, having going boys.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You always love.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Having McLay on to talk all things NFL things Draft.
Let's take a break and on the other side, we're
switching it over to the hardwood. We're talking all things hoops,
and I think I might have to like be a
referee here between these two fellaws.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But Tako Radio show back after this
We're hitting the hotline here and bringing in one of
our favorite guests from The Gambler right here. You can
follow on Twitter at Nick McLay twenty two. Uh, you
guys did a stream the other night. I was watching
before I had to hop on mine and I went
back and I was fast forward and through for like
when I saw big reactions and I was watching your
guys streams.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
So you guys were killing it over there a little.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Let's let us over there in McLay.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
Yeah, we had to chop it off. We had to
chop it off a little bit. It was getting getting
too much to do. How to get rid of it?
Speaker 5 (00:28):
Love it?
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hey, you got to get it out of your eyes
when it's draft season. Yeah, you got to see clearly exactly.
So we're pumped to have Nick on talking all things
NFL drafting.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You know what, we haven't hit on it yet.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Let's get to the Eagles. Let's get let's talk about
the Birds. Let's talk about the two picks they've made.
And they traded obviously their third pick for a couple
more picks today, so only two picks to talk about.
Let's start with Jaha Jaha Campbell. Linebacker Alabama.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I I'm a.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Little lower on Jahad than some of the people out
there like Mina Comes who have him like top five,
or guys who have him top ten, top fifteen. I
had him thirty three overall. I had him as a
second round grade. But picking the thirty three guy at
thirty one or thirty two or thirty one technically because
he traded up, that's pretty good value.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
It's fine by me. I've actually come around on it
a little more. I view him.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
I'm more bullish on him as a linebacker than an
edge He would be the zero point three to six
percentile weight for edge rushers. As a linebacker, I think
he's an incredibly, incredibly athletic kind of piece of clay
that you can mold into whatever Vic Fangio wants him
to be Zach bonn ideally, and I think that there's
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things like instincts, coverage getting crossed up, like those types
of things. I'm more confident in those things getting coached
out by Fangio and him being a linebacker who blitzes
than I am with him being an edge rusher at
his weight.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
But Nick, where did you have him on the big board.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I had him.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Seventeen, So I like, but great value for me, and
we we trade it up. Yeah, but we just kind
of traded up just to kind of play defense on
someone else.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Ye cause chief weren't going to get him.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
They're not They're not looking at a linebacker, so we
were just playing defense. We give up a fifth round er.
I think it was we have like four of them.
We have the we had the the you know, the
space to give up. But I think you were right
that he is going to play more of that linebacker position,
but he still has the ability to do that, you know,
on the line of scrimmage. I think he can be
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a value player where you don't care where he plays.
You put him on the field, He's going to go
out there make a play. He'll find the ball. He
has a knack for the ball, and he just he's
at Alabama the defensive the leader, like you know what
I mean, you can't go wrong with someone from the
SEC that it was a high caliber player, and I
just I think it's a great value pick at thirty one.
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Didn't give up much. I think he comes in I
had him comp to Zach one. I had him comp
to Zach Bond and Tremaine Edmonds. So I think this
is a great fit for for Vangio to, like you said,
mold him into something. And I'm even more happy about that.
Andrew mccooba pick, I think he's going to be a star.
I had me and Coyle were doing some hot takes
on Twitter the other day. I said, Andrew mccub is
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going to be the best safety in this class, which
obviously reach, but I think he's going to be a.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Ballhawk out there for the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I love the mccooba pick as well. There's definitely I
think mccooba I had him. We both had him around
the same grade, right around where he got drafted.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I would have preferred Watts, But when when you get to.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The sixty fourth pick, the likelihood that they're going to
take the guy you want is actually less than the
guy that you don't even have in like your top
one hundred. Like you've had moments like that in the
past where they take a guy on day two who
I hadn't even looked at yet. So it's nice to
get the number two guy available at a position of
need that you know, and I think mccuba was besides Watts,
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mccouba would have been the only other safety that I
would have felt felt good about starting day one. He's
similar to Watts in a lot of ways in terms
of being a ball hawk playmaker. Five picks last year,
did it at the SEC a huge play in the
playoff game against Arizona State to close that one out
with a pick. I'm really excited about Macouba, excited about
Jahad as well, But I I guess i'll I'll throw
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it this way.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Where are you at on Jahad?
Speaker 1 (04:22):
In terms of how he's gonna where he's gonna line up.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
For it for the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
I think he's gonna line up off the ball. I
think he's going to be more of that off all
linebacker to start. Because you think in the off season
we sign a these Ujilari, we sign Josh Uche. I
know those guys aren't going to come in and make
an immediate impact, but they're at rushers. They're they're not
capable of playing off the ball. So I think we
line him and balling up. We don't know about Nikobe's injury.
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That's kind of uncertainty that's throwing up in the air.
I think we just throw him in the middle of
the field and let him make plays. I think he's
an athlete that just has a knack to find the ball,
knack to cover the He'll learn, you know, more, as
we go. He's not polished, he's not perfect, but coming
into a system with vig Vangio, I think is only
gonna make him better.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Obviously, coming into a defense with.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
That, you know, as your leader, I think he comes
in and I think he does have an immediate impact
in this Eagles defense.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
My favorite Eagles outcome of the day is that they
didn't reach on a mid tight end who I had ranked,
Like my tight end three was eighty eighth, so like
outside of Warren in Loveland, I was out on the
rest of this class. The Mason Taylor's, the Elijah Rouyos,
the Ferguson's, all those names, fanning a couple of the
other names.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
I am absolutely psyched that they didn't reach.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
On one of those guys, and I'm praying to the
gods that hopefully this means Hallie and Dallas can have
a meeting of the minds and say, let's let's go
one last dance, one last dance. We'll give you a
couple more million dollars to hold jove or until next year.
Let's let's let's have a let's let's you know, there
was no replacement for Dallas Goddar in free agency that
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made sense.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
There was no replacement in.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
The draft unless you were going to trade up for
Warren or Loveland who went in tenth and fourteenth.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So I'm absolutely pumped at neither of these picks was
a tight end.
Speaker 6 (06:10):
Yeah, good, Like, I think we've undersold that a little bit.
Like I get the injury concerns and obviously the finances
and the contracts sort of the larger storyline here. But
like I, I don't see a what when just talking
about from a pure talent perspective or winning football games,
there's an improvement in any of these directions here. So
I'm in agreement, Mark, I hope there is a meeting
in the minds. Let's run this back. They won the
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Super Bowl, good lord, man, Like, let's buckle up and
do this again.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
And he dominated in that playoff run too.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Yeah, he was a key contributor to that offense in
all for the every single playoff game. So I don't
understand why the wouldn't be a meeting of the minds
and try to work something out. But I think you
got to try, you got to try to bring them back.
Speaker 5 (06:49):
How we be.
Speaker 7 (06:50):
We've also kind of seen how we be cut throat
in that regard, like if you're not a position where
he completely values you, which of course the quarterback, defensive
line positions that he really values the most out off
all teams value. He's pretty cutthroat, like he like you
just said, CJ, he just traded him after he was
a huge part of that Super Bowl team. So if
Howie is has that approach, he's gonna be like tight ends. Yes,
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Dallas got it, did contribute a lot to that super run.
He's been awesome for the Eagles really since he got here.
But it is he replaceable? And the answer is probably yes.
So that's what Howie's thinking, where it's like, yes, we
need a good tight end, but Dallas Goddard himself, his
talent is replaceable. So he's been pretty cut throat in
that regard, and I could see him being like, maybe
how he's the one not meeting him halfway at the tape.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
I think you're right, No, I think that is what's happening.
I disagree. I'm like Howie.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
I love you, I trust you, but I disagree with
you here, pal like, I really really just don't think
that replaced. And if there was a Mike is SICKI
out there, or if you can make a Michael Mayer
trade or a Cole Comet trade, like if you could
go get the fifteenth best tight end or whatever you
want to say, a league average starting tight end.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I'm man, I'm not confident any of these rookies.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Can start next year for any of the teams they
land on, besides Warren Loveland obviously.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And by the way, we.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Talked about comps and I want to get back to
Jihad and Macouba with comps as well. But it's funny
the the comp for Tyler Warren for me is Dallas Goddard.
Like I think Tyler Warren is Dallas Goddard with a
little more juice, who stays healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Quarterback at what he's a little better quarterback. To you,
he's a better quarterback than Goddard. Hey, who knows.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I had to go look at the South Dakota State tape.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Maybe maybe Goddard was lined up there. I don't know.
But Goddard's stats.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I think have always been hurt by the all by
the scheme that the Eagles run in terms of him
being the third option in a run heavy scheme and
with a quarterback who runs a lot. I think his
stats have always been deflated from like where he is,
and I think that's always hurt his kind of standing among.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
Tight ends at times.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
But uh, and Warren is a guy who we're all
losing our minds about, we're all falling over.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
I think Indy like won the first round, getting.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Unbelievable that he fell out of fourteen.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Without having to move up as their dream, obvious need
for them, yeah need.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And we're comparing I'm comparing him to Goddard like some
people are comparing him to Hawkinson.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I actually think, god, it's better than Hawkinson.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
So yeah, I actually have Warren komp to Jeremy Shockey.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah yeah, I mean I have Lovelhin.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Comp to Goddard. So that's that's funny how we flipped
on that.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
That's I mean, you think about the Colts, All mocks
were just penciled in a tight end, penciled in a
tight end, and then you look Colson, Loveling goes over him,
or is does? Then does Warren sneak above fourteen, and
they didn't even have to trade.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Up for him. So you're right.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I think that the Warren just falling into their laps
is their dream right there.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
You mentioned your comp for Jahad is Bond, and it's
a popular one, and everybody's phone Bond and Fred Warner
and Rokwan and all these like all.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
World linebackers out there.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
My comp was much funnier, uh, and my I made
this comp before the draft. My comp was playoff Or
and Burks, which is pretty hilarious.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
By the way.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oren Burks graded out as the number four linebacker on
PFF last year, which is an unbelievable stat and then
went out and got one year three million dollars. I
kind of wish they would have just paid oron Burks.
But Oran Brooks in the playoffs was everywhere on the field,
like that guy is he? Actually I didn't know this
when he came out of the draft yet, like a
nine to nine relative athletics score.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
So and if you line it up to Jahad's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
It's directly like basically the exact same player from a
traits and and size standpoint. So I thought that was
funny that everyone's putting out the Bond thing, and I'd
playoff Waron Burks and and one of my buddies was like,
I'd rather see bond than than Oron. And I was like, hey, hey, hey,
layoff Oran, let's let's let's make that clear. And then
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the mcuba I actually didn't. I had mccuba comp to
Ronnie Hickman. I don't think most people know who Ronnie
Hickman is, so mccuba in terms of his Eagles comp
there's a lot of Chauncey. There's a he's a little smaller.
There's a lot of Chauncey Gardner Johnson there. It does
seem like the Eagles have kind of viewed a bit
of an archetype with some of these guys that they
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like and that they're kind of following through on.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
What do you kind of think about those?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
Yeah, I have mccouba as a come to joyan blackman
and like a ceiling of Jakwan Brisker just kind of
going out playing all over, having a shell over the top.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
Wherever the ball is, he'll be there.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
So I like that cop not too you know, up
to speed on Ronnie Hickman, but I think mccouba will be.
Like I said with Jahia Kampbell, I think they'll both
be impact players. Maybe mccuba not right away playing behind
Reid and Sidney Brown, so but either way, I think
they'll both be impact players.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
I only know about Hickman because I liked him in
the draft and then he had He's been pretty good
for Cleveland. Who give me outside of the Eagles, outside
of you know, Travis Hunter Cleveland should do or the
big things we've talked about, A winner and a loser
so far from the draft.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I'd be a terrible Cyclone fan if I didn't say
the Houston Texans. I think I'm gonna say right now,
I think they won the damn draft. You get two
Iowa state receivers, both pulled out a thousand yards.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
You get CJ. Strautz, some weapons, gigs.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Is out, uh tanked out, doesn't have a leg right now.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
Give me give me the Cyclones, give.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Me the production and they got the big boy from Minnesota,
Ariante Ercy. So give me the Texans as a winner
and a loser. I don't know about a loser. It
just they didn't really do much. But the Vikings didn't
do much.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
I had number.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
They got a good I love that Itvan Jackson, but
they didn't really make any move. Ty Felton wasn't too
really up to speed on him wide receive around in Maryland.
The only reason I'm saying they're losers because they didn't
really do much. You addressed the offensive line. I do
like that in the first round. I do like Thatavan Jackson.
I think I had him just outside of that first round,
but Vikings didn't do much. But Texans man, I might
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be a Houston Taxan fan, like the in Houston Texan Fair.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
I think if I was going biggest winner for me,
I'm going Carolina. I love what Carolina did, and obviously
I'm high on Tet taking him eighth. I've been talking
about that for months that I hope they that they
give Bryce Tet. I loved Lagette last year. I don't
know if he necessarily lived up to how I felt
about him. But he slots down now and you have
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a couple other guys that can slot in as the
number two and three guy, but tent Is I think
a guy that you can slot in there as your
wide receiver one. I think there's a ton of Drake
London I actually think he's got more juice kind of
than and some wiggle than Drake London. And then you
go out and get two edges that I really really like,
like prince Ll Mamaline. I had him as my number
twenty overall player. They got him in the mid third round.
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Nick Gorton wasn't a guy I thought I loved going
into the draft. I had him thirty six, and compared
to most people who had him like top fifteen, top twenty,
I was low on him, but you were abody to
pick him up in the mid second round, and those
receiver and edge were the two biggest needs. It felt
like coming in for Caroline Love when Carolina did to
mention the draft.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I actually had Minnesota queued.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Up as a loser as well, because I'm not a
big fan of the Donovan Jackson pick. I had him
fiftieth overall, so I thought it was a bit of
a reach. A lot of o lineman still that I
liked there, but my biggest loser, and you know, I
apologize to Kellen Moore, who I've been bullish on as
a future head coach for a long time. You go
out and you draft Kelvin Banks, ninth. Kelvin Banks is
the guy who I don't see it with. I have
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him forty third. There's I think I had him like
offensive line eleven. I think he was my eleventh thranked
offensive lineman. I think they took him as the second
one off the board, maybe third, and then you go
out and you take Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
I can't. I don't get it. I've never gotten the
Tyler Shuck.
Speaker 6 (14:47):
Then.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I didn't get it when people liked Texas Tech going
into that one season. I didn't like it all the
way back when he was replaced by Anthony Brown at Oregon,
Anthony Brown who's now completing forty eight percent of his
passes in the UFL. Anthony Brown. I do not get
the Tyler Shuck thing. I feel like every time I've
ever bet on Tyler Shuck or watched him, watched him
(15:10):
in a game, I bet against him, I've walked away
being like, this guy stinks.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
What a stupid name. I can't believe he went fortieth.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
He's like twenty. He's gonna be like twenty seven.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
He was in Trevor Lawrence's recruiting class Herbert for two years.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I need to know right there.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
But Uh.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
As far as like, shuck some of those combine reps.
By the way, you've seen some of those clips float
around of him, like.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Someone tried to find that for me if you if
you can, and so he can pull it up because
we were.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
I pulled it up on the draft stream we did yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
It's and everybody's focused on the throw in the clip
from the combine, the footwork, yes, and what he's doing
with his arms with the fakes or even worse to me,
it's like he looks like he's never played quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Before in that clip.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
It's like if I stepped out there, I was like,
all right, here's how quarterback looks like.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Reaction to reaction to set at all.
Speaker 7 (16:01):
They showed a clip of his whole watch party where
they're streaming the whole thing, which is pretty embarrassing, but
they were streaming the whole thing, and when he was drafted,
Dion's just like wow, like he was like this this guy,
this guy out of everybody, this guy is drafted ahead
of my son.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
He was like, wow, it was pretty talent.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I'll throw it to Sean and Sam. Do you got
any questions for Nick?
Speaker 6 (16:23):
As far as like the Eagles perspective, so it feels
like some pretty clear I don't want to say replacement.
I think the safety's more of a replacement pick and
the Jihad Campbell more of kind of a talent pick.
Is there anything that you think they missed all or
guys that we should have our eyes specifically set out
for on day three here that you think are clean
fits for this team?
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I don't know. I really wish why Mullum drop man.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
I heard Mark talking about him earlier, but me and
him have been all over White Mullum since the start
end of the combines, even before that. The man is
just a maeler, doesn't allow anyone in the backfield. He'll
go out head hunt. But nothing really too crazy that's available.
I mean there's still some like receivers out there. I
like Jalen Wayne as a speedy guy from Virginia Tech.
(17:06):
I don't know, no, I'll say me and Beef have
been going over the running back Devin Neil. I don't
think he really would be doing nice with us, But
I love Devin Neill. I think wherever he goes, he's
going to be an immediate impact.
Speaker 5 (17:22):
Then here's the show.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
I love it and get a little bit of a
footwork on Tyler.
Speaker 5 (17:26):
Tyler, shoot here and throw up. Yeah, you can see,
just have a teeth here.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Oh boy, it's throw.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
More than anything.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It's what he does with the It's it's so awkward.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Not a single part of that is and it's one thing.
If you like, then complete the pass.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Why does he run away after he throws that?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Throws literally in the dirt? I mean fifty cents.
Speaker 7 (17:50):
His first pitch was better throw than that.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
That was terrible.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
I don't get the shock thing at all.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But even Dylan Gabriel, Like I don't be honest, I
don't get Gabriel.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I get it more.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
At least Gabriel was like insanely productive at the college.
I'm a hater, Like I think I remember when he
was at Oklahoma. Shane haff who's an Oklahoma grab, big
fan of Oklahoma, he he was like Dylan Gabriel ninety
percent of his passes of screens. He's like he's addicted
to throwing it at the line of scrimmage. So Ever
(18:24):
since then, I've kind of been like he's kind of
had me Gabriel built since he pointed that out to me,
because it's hard not to notice when you're watching him.
But even him, I get it more than Shuck, Like
at least he's like a pretty good athlete, can move
around like, had a high level of production, won a
lot like Shuck, didn't win anywhere he went.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
He was. He was at three schools.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
In the span of seven years, and he didn't do
anything worth no, Like, I don't whatever.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
He's had a few surgeries on his legs too, hasn't he?
Am I making that up? I think I actually didn't
know that I might be making that up, but I
think he's It makes.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Sense though, why else would he have a seven year Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Years, probably got a medical medical red shirt at least once.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
So yeah, that's insane.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
If another guy that I'm looking at that's still on
the board, Marcus Mobo or Mabile from Purdue, I'm surprised
that he's still on the board. If we're looking at
guys that we want to develop on the offensive line,
I like him. If he's still there when we're still picking,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't even mind a trade up for
him with all the picks that we got. But that's
someone that I'm looking at down the board.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
The problem with my best available, or a lot of
them are at positions like we're probably not my number
one guy's Dean Walker. I've been banging the drum for
d Walker for a year. I would I would freak
out if we got Dean Walker today.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That play last.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Everybody's downgrading him because it's twenty twenty four. They found
out at the combine he was playing with a broken back,
a lot of spine, man, unbelievable, and everybody's camp, everybody's
thing for him was he plays to upright all of
a sudden in twenty twenty four, he got to upright. Man,
it's a broken fracture. But Jack Sawyer off the edge
is a guy I'd like to see to the Eagles.
(20:06):
I'm a little higher on him. I think he's just
got a high motor linebacker. Danny Stutsman probably not looking
to draft the linebacker. A couple a bunch of running
backs if we just want to list, uh, Dylan Samson,
DJ Giddons, Cam Scataboo, Bashual Touton, Devin Neil, Damien Martinez,
Jaydon Blue Berchard Smith, Like, there's a lot of running
(20:27):
backs so I think could make impacts for whoever drafts them. Today,
look au Manor I always forget to say that it's
not elok a Uman or it's it's like not how
you would think it is. Pronown Tyler Baron, Kyle Knard
at Edge, Jared Ivy at Edge. One deep guy. This
is a Day three guy, or I'll throw two guys
out there. This is a Day three guy. And technically
(20:49):
we're already on day three, so everybody's a Day three guy.
He was always going to be a Day three guy.
There was never a chance he was going high. I'm
bullish on this guy out of San Jose State. For
all the haters out there on my draft stream, say
hate all the small schools. I hate all the small
school guys. Nick Nash. I believe in Nick Nash to
find a role. That guy was so productive at Santase
ste good size, great wiggle, really great route runner.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
I'm really really in on Nick Nash.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
And one more guy I'll throw out there because his dad,
like my tweet yesterday about him, Chris Paul Jr. Linebacker
out of Tulsa not CP three was not in. It
was not like my tweets last night. Unfortunately it was
coach Christopher Paul Senior. Uh for those who want to know, which,
by the way, is one of my favorite things in
(21:34):
draft season when you're tweeting about guys and you get
the dads and the brothers and the the moms.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
For NBA Trevling, Queen's mom still like like all my
tweets and like still follow Queen when he.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Was for college playing parents. Yes, they just are so proud.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
It's like you tweet one thing about their kid and
they love it, and then you tweet one negative thing
about their kid and they are in your mentions.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Anything negative.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Just John Jansen about EJ. Warner. He tweeted about J.
Warner and he had Kurt breathing down his neck. But
my my.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Story Warner turn out.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
My story with that is.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I can't remember his name now. He signed with the Jags.
He was a safety for the Jags. Oh my god,
I can't remember. That's so annoying. He got paid a
lot of money, and I Rayshawn Jenkins, Rayshawan Jenkins was there.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
He went somewhere.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I forget where he was before Jacksonville, but he got
paid a lot of money to go to Jacksonville as
a safety.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
And I'd like to consider myself a pretty plugged in
guy to the NFL.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
I had never heard of Rayshawn Jenkins when he got
like thirty million dollars for three years or something like that,
and I tweeted it out, like, man, a lot of
money for a guy I've never heard of, and Rayshawn
Jenkins' wife got in my mentions and was like, you
clearly don't know Paul Like this guys has been a
stud for years, Like he got cut.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The next year they had he half that con track.
How you feeling Enkins?
Speaker 3 (23:04):
These family members? Ever heard of burners? Just behind a burner?
Or why do you care?
Speaker 6 (23:10):
Man? Like in that spot specifically, you guys just got paid.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
You guys just made it.
Speaker 6 (23:14):
Why are you worried about what Mark Henry Junior is
saying about you?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
To mind?
Speaker 6 (23:19):
Like, if I'm in that spot, I'm probably out on
social media completely or not scrolling at least like that.
It blows my mind how how like attentive these guys
are to it.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
You do get the positive stories though.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Lamar Butler from Kentucky I was tweeting about how he
was like the whole X factor for that team all season.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
He like ended up following me and d m me, like,
thanks for talking nice about my son.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Likes those things are are pretty nice, Like that's that's
cool to say, I like, but there's obviously the other
side of it as well.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
But one more question before I did that.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Yeah, yeah, where does Shudor go? Like Raiders are here,
they're picking six in the fourth. After that, I kind
of think.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
Pittsburgh So I saw, I know DraftKings is promoting Pittsburgh
is the betting favorite for it. I can't believe that
he's still on the board. It's got to be Vegas
or Pittsburgh is kind of what it bloils down to me.
Speaker 7 (24:13):
But it was already like why why would Pittsburgh at
this point they must have a plan, Like Pittsburgh must
have a plan at quarterback right now? Andrews their cousin,
Like they know they're not going to the season with
with Mason Rudolph as their starting quarterback, even if you
don't like prospect, that would be inexcusable.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
I kind of think Mike Tomlin's just stubborn enough that
he's like, I don't care who's that quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
We're going to go nine to eight and make the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (24:39):
And it's kind of worked for him in his defense here,
I kind of think he's that stubborn with it. But
there's got to be something you can't have. Mason Rudolph's
QB one.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
I could see him getting undrafted, honestly. I could see
him getting undrafted, and then he has to reprove himself
and he obviously tanked all his interviews and his arrogance
was really a turnoff for a lot of teams. But
he can reprove himself through the undrafted free agent market
and meeting with teams again kind of I don't know,
showing a little more humility that these teams obviously rafted.
(25:07):
Like he's a lot of round people's sports are, yes,
but he is off a lot of teams boards.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Completely all in the pre draft process at all.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
I think there's six teams to watch for today. For him,
it's Pittsburgh is the obvious one. Vegas who's passed.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
On him like five times already. Probably I'm probably.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Anti Brady, Yeah, I'm probably less inclined to think that
it's Vegas.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Dallas. You can't count Dallas out. I think Dallas.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think Jerry would draft him before he went on drafted,
just to like to be nice.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
I would love if the Cowboys that awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It would be so funny.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
The Rams, I do think the Rams makes some sense.
The Rams have shown that they like developing that backup
or picking up the reclamation project and trying to trade them.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
The Jets, you only have Fields.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
I don't want that at all, because I just want
them to try to give Fields like a true chance
to be the guy because he's at it anywhere, and
then I'll throw the Colts.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I do think the Colts are.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
Someone that you have to throw in there who are
just desperate for anything right now.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
So yes, that would be where where i'd lean.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Well, I guess out of the first round, just the
first round, what was your least favorite pick, McLay, What
pick happened in the first round that you were like,
what is this.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Thing really like?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
The Lions? Tyler Williams.
Speaker 4 (26:28):
I like Tyler Williams as a player, but I don't
think you had to get him right there.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
I think you could have waited a little bit for him.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I'm not saying that he's not going to be a
good player, but he reminds me a lot of Alee McNeil.
I'm having the same two players on that same line.
It kind of confused me a bit. Not saying it
was a bad pick, but I think you could have
gotten him maybe in the second round, maybe traded up later.
But I just don't think he was that first round
talent in my eyes.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I'll say it was a bad pick. I would be
right there for me. My least favorite was Kelvin Banks
at nine.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I just that guy got brutalized in some big moments
against Georgia and against some top edge rushers. And taking
him ninth, like there's so many guys still on the
board they needed tight like they don't have a tight end.
You could have taken Loveland Er Warren that they could
have looked at, They.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Could have looked at a lot of guys. I really
hate it.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
But Nick McClay there he is. You can follow on
Twitter at Nick McClay twenty two. Checkout everything he's got
going on over there with Beef at Beef upfront as well. McClay,
thanks for coming on.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Thank you guys, Thank you guys, having going boys.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
You always love.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Having McLay on to talk all things NFL things Draft.
Let's take a break and on the other side, we're
switching it over to the hardwood. We're talking all things hoops,
and I think I might have to like be a
referee here between these two fellaws.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But Tako Radio show back after this
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