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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
Looking Hello and welcome to the Tough Cover Radio Show.
I am your host, Mark Henry Junior. You can follow
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two folks with us in the studio on the ones
and twos. We've got my man Nick McClay. You can
follow him on Twitter at Nick Nick. How we doing, good?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Man Good? I'm glad to be in studio with you too,
to talk some shop talk, some football talk whatever. We
need to got a lot to get into before the
season gets started, so I'm I'm hype to get get started,
to get talking talking quarterbacks, talking rankings, a lot to
get into. So hype to be here with you guys
in the studio.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Hype to have you a heavy, heavy football show here.
And if we're having a heavy football show, who better
to have as the third guy in the studio than
our guy Roy Burton. You can go and follow him
on Twitter at the bs line Roy.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
How we doing feeling good gentlemen. Again. You put me
to work. Mark.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I came in trying to learn the board from from
Nick McClay, and you send me it's like, oh, let's
put together quarterback list.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
Let's put together fantasy list.
Speaker 5 (01:42):
So I didn't expect this, but you know what, I'm
happy to be talking football in July, so let's do it.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
There's no way I'm wasting having Roy in studio and
not talking fantasy, not talking quarterbacks. Because I saw earlier
this week I saw Nick McClay put out a quarterback list,
and normally when I see a quarterback list, there's always
one thing that jumps out to me, like, oh, I
can't wait to yell at them about this. I can't
wait to argue about this. I didn't have that with
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nixt quarterback from board. I think it was a pretty
it was a pretty good list. I think it was
really really similar to my list, and we'll dive into
to some of ours. I think Roy put together one
as well. Heck, yeah, we won't have to worry about
Sean Bernard putting Justin Herbert forty fifth on this Tyler. Yeah, yeah,
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but Shaum Bernard will be back next week. Sean filling
and filling in, or we got Nick and Roy perfect
perfect timing with it kicking in the high gear for
football season here because I'm ready camps here. I think
it was that sports eclipse this week where I guess
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it sports eclips when a lot of things are happening,
or when nothing.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Equinox and when everything right eclips is right. That was brutal.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I mean, me and Roy were just talking about it
this this morning, like what do we like? We were
just sitting there watching TV and nothing is on. We
were talking w NBA, Sorry.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Yeah, WNBA All Star Break. It's like, there's nothing going on.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
But brother, we spend people as a society. We spent
entirely too much time litigating sp jokes. If I'm gonna
put my hat into what happened this week, that would
be what I'd say, like, And I think that means
maybe we don't have to have two days where the
entire sports calendar is off.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
I don't know how to fix that. I don't know
how to fix it.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Does MLB do this on a weekend where they take
the days off? So maybe you have like a major
golf championship to focus on in those days. I don't
know what the fixes, but though that that Wednesday Thursday,
I guess you had the Golf champ the Golf Major
on Thursday for part of it, but just absolutely brutal
and nothing like a little couple of days off from
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the baseball calendar, Noville, basketball news going around, besides whatever
the Lebron rumor mill is. And I'm ready, I'm reading
the magazines, I'm diving into numbers, I'm watching podcasts, I'm
you know, searching about you know, the Orgy Calandria quarterback
battle at UNLV. It is officially time to cram for football.
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We got about a month that maybe maybe five weeks
I guess until the first college football Saturday, and then
six weeks until NFL Sunday right after it, when we
the Hall of Fame game has to be has to
be creeping.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Up here, probably two weeks out. Yeah, it's got to be.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
I feel like it's usually in July, so it's got
to be creeping up here. So we are getting closer,
first July thirty, first twelve days away.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
Yeah, we are.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
We're gonna get there, folks. It doesn't feel like it's
some some points in May. You look at that long
road you have until football, and it feels like forever.
We're not there anymore. We're officially towards the finish. And
not that I don't love baseball, not that I don't
love basketball, not that I don't love professional wrestling, not
that I don't love a lot of things that we
talk about on this show. But there's something different when
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this show gets to kick it into two football season
because a little bit easier to fill two hours. You
got an hour on college, an hour on NFL. Figure
it out, because that's how it works. Everything else becomes
a little bit obsolete unless the Phillies are in a
playoff front.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
So let's gear up. Let's get the people ready.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
If they're not thinking about football, let's get them thinking
about football. Let's talk NFL first. Let's go to that
quarterback list. Let's start out right there, because I think
I saw a tweet this week, and I think it
was about Pablo Tory, who I haven't listened to the
Gambling podcast yet, about Malik Beasley. I don't know if
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either of you check that out or it's I.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
Really like Pablo Tory.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think sometimes he can get a little holier than
now and mentioning the Peabodies. How he was mentioned nominated
for a Peabody like thirty five times in the Bill
Simmons podcast. But some of these journalism things he's doing
are really interesting. And I saw someone quote tweet his
most recent investigative podcast like, it's so much rather listen
to this than dude's debate who the seventeenth.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
Best quarterback is. Guess what?
Speaker 2 (06:17):
This isn't the show for that guy, because we're going
to be debating the seventeenth quarterback right And I would
I would have it no other way. That's exactly what
you're supposed to be doing in July, in my opinion.
So let's dive into it and I'll pull mine up
and you guys could well do we all we all
have a very similar top three? Do we all have
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mahomes Lamar Allen in that order?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Yep? We do? We do? I do? Yah?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is there any argument how close is Lamar and Allen?
For you guys, they're definitely I would say to a
two B. I mean, but you seet, we look at
both our stats last year, both of them could have
you say one was MVP, one was the other.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I don't think many people are going.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
To argue, will someone somebody's room, right.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yes, but I think it. I think it was a
great way to be with Lamar and Josh right there.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah, I think it's a coin flip. Yeah, I'm not
really gonna argue argue either way.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
Like that's that's the you know, those those three guys
are and you know maybe the next guy we're pregnant
to mention part of the alien tier For me of quarterbacks,
I think that's I think those are pretty indisputable.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I almost think it's weird for me. I almost have
my homes in his own tier. Yeah, I agree Lamar
and Allen in their own tier.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Burrow maybe farting with that second tier, but I I
can understand me.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
He put up what forty three touchdowns he had?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
He had a stat last year. I didn't. I've never
seen this before. I think it was the first time
that ever happened.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
It was like three she was a three straight games
with like was it three hundred yards and and three touchdowns?
Eight straight games? So eight straight games, three hundred yards
and eight touchdowns. That's unbelievable. That's you don't even do
that in video games. Like Joe Burrow is just a different.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Cat is there.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, let me just tell you as someone who downloaded
college football yesterday, Kenny Kenny minshe is absolutely doing that.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Games, but no, Joe Burrow.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Is there anything to be said about the fact that,
like we're freaking out about these numbers and also doing
like the Oh I feel so bad for him because
the defense is so bad, And it's like, if the
defense was ten percent better and was the twentieth best defense,
the numbers wouldn't have been what they were. Like, so
I feel like people are just like, oh, imagine if
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you had a good defense and those numbers, and it's like, well,
that's not really how it works. Like we see that
with Jalen Hurts, where people want to attack Jalen Hurts
for his numbers, and it's like, well, when you're winning
games and trying to run out the clock and trying
to finish out a game, it's a little bit different.
Is there anything to be said that those numbers might
be a touch inflated?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Probably, But when I'm doing the rankings, I don't really
care about numbers that much. It's really just the eye
test and I'm just watching a football game, like which
one of these guys is the most skilled at being
a professional quarterback. And for me, that's why I go,
you know, Patrick Mahomes, you know, I challenge you Lamar Jackson,
like I don't really care about the other stuff. I
don't care, like yeah, like sure, you probably wouldn't have
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forty three touchdowns, like like McClay said, you know, if
they had a better defense, because you know, because the games,
but things like that. But when I see him throw
the football, it's amazing, Like I think, it's probably like
ten guys have ever seen in my life, you know,
play the position the way Joe Burrow does. So for me,
when I rank these guys, I'm not really worried about
whether or not they have thirty touchdowns or forty touchdowns.
It's just to me, it's like when I watch him play,
when I watch him leading an offense, like that is
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what I think a quarterback is.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
And you also look at that team. Their offensive line
was nothing crazy either, so I mean he wasn't you know,
running around crazy. But at the same time, he had
to get the ball out quick. It's a lot easier
when you got Jamar And I mean I'm not really
that high on t Higgins. We can probably get into that.
I agree, I think, you know what I mean, like
to at least obviously Jamar is the best in the
league with Jeff is up top. But T Higgins is
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a suitable guy that you can throw the ball up to,
you know what I mean. So he's got guys around
him that he can get the ball. Chase Browne into him.
Love him fantasy wise, but you know, he didn't have
that great of an offensive line. Still put up, like
we said, forty three touchdowns in the most yards I
believe it was in the season, in the year. So
he produces with that with that around him. Yeah, he's
gotta be top four, top five?
Speaker 4 (10:10):
Do we have? Do we all have Jalen fifth? I do?
I do?
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Yeah, I have Jaalen comfortably fifth, And I personally think
there's absolutely no argument for anyone outside of the top
five to be ranked over Jalen Hurts right now. The
only one I'll even I'll even consider is Jaden Daniels
just because of how good is rookie year. You even
when you're doing that, though, I do think you're building
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in some projection of going forward to make sure he's
at least the sameing I always said about Jaden Daniels
and I saw I think it was DraftKings or Fandel,
the one of the gambling accounts out there.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It was like, what's the worst tweet you've ever seen?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
And they quote tweeted it with someone saying how Washington
messed up taking Jayden Daniels over Drake May. Let me
just put my hand up. I would not be shocked.
Drake May still has a better career than Jayden Daniels.
What I would say is, I think we're in Jayden
Daniels prime right now. This is the most athletically gifted
he's ever going to be. I think the best version
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of Jaden Daniels we're going to see is over the
next three to five years.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
We've seen guys like Lamar, we've seen other a few
people withstand that test of time and not falter when
they're athleticism maybe isn't as peak as it is when
they come out of college. But I think we're probably
getting the best version of Jadan Daniels we're ever going
to see in these in the twenty twenties. Is that
fair to say? Or is that the guy's so small
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and he's a really good passer, But I do think
so much of it is predicated off of his legs.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
So obviously you're right, like he's what twenty three, I
don't know how how old he is. Obviously athletically he's
not probably not going to get to that peak. But
I mean, like again, like a lot of the quarterback players,
you know, processing, you know, trying to figure out you know,
like you know, where to make the right reads and
things like that, he's only going to get better at that.
And so to me, my pushback would be, I think
he's gonna get better at that part of the game,
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you know if and when his mental stuff, you know,
when the physical stuff he ain't seen declined.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Because he's twenty three, you know, he's twenty something. He's
a young kid. He's like he's a kid.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
So but I think he'll get better at that part
of the game, you know, when when the physical stuff
kind of you know declines a little bit.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So to me, my only pushback.
Speaker 5 (12:19):
Is that, like I think it will just be a
better quarterback, just like quarterback, just processing the game than
just a physical guy who can you know, run for
nine hundred yards and still throw for four hundred four
thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
I guess part of my thing is that he came
out of college, So he came out of college old
and played a lot of time in college.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So like, I think he's where he'll get better.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
But like I think he's pretty much where he's going
to be as a processor and as a passer. Like
I think we've seen this guy kind of molded for
a really long time at this point. So it's a
little bit different than a Jalen to be honest, where
I feel like Jaalen at Alabama was not even running
an NFL system whatsoever, and we only saw one year
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of it at Oklahoma where he scratched the surface, and
then you know, it's a little bit different where Jayden
Daniels put it together over a long period of time
in college, over like four different coaches and all these
offensive coordinators. Where I think this is like I think
you can win MVP this year, Like there's nothing stopping
him from that happening. But like I said, I think
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he's clearly sixth on the list. Did you guys both
have him six? I do not. No, I have Matt
Stafford six. I think Matt Stafford's a winner, man.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
So this is where you mentioned I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was gonna mention this when you talked about the numbers,
But the number part of this, it is a part
of it for me, should be a little bit and
like numbers winning like you said, the eye test, watching
him on the field, the analytics, the advanced stuff. I
think it all factors in in its own way. The
thing I have Stafford tenth. The thing I can't get
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past with Stafford is that he's like undraftable in fantasy football, like.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You got to divorce yourself stand this year because I
have him ten. So I'm not. I'm not. I'm working
myself in some way from that. That's fair. But when
you're looking at Baker put up.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Thirty one touchdowns, forty three hundred yards and or four.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
I think it was actually forty. It might be forty
six hundred yards.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Baker had last year something crazy like that, I think
Stafford had like yeah, I think Stafford like eight hundred
less yards. I think he had like twenty one less touchdowns.
And Baker won the same amount of games too.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
So there's a.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Part of me that's like, hey, he put the fear
of God into us. I thought we were done in
that divisional round, game in the snow when you know,
until Jalen Carter decided otherwise, And I think that will
be the Kean O'Neil interception moment of that Super Bowl
run where it turned and they weren't going to lose
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after that. But I think it's hard for me to
divorce myself fully of the numbers with Stafford to put
it to put him above really like Jaden Love and
Baker kind of.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, but he's had years where he's thrown like the
you know, the forty touchdowns. He's had the years, so
he's had the four thousand yards, and to me, like,
I try to divorce the fantasy stuff from me from
it because again, there's plenty of guys who like, you know,
we talked about this guy last week, Justin Fields, right,
Justin Field's very competent fantasy quarterback. You know, I'd have
no problem if I had to start him every single
week in fantasy.
Speaker 4 (15:24):
He's probably really low on everybody's list, Like he's probably
in the twenties on everybody's list, but he's you know,
arguably a top fifteen fantasy quarterback.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
So yeah, the fantasy thing I didn't necessarily mean like, oh,
he's not a good fan. I just meant like, fantasy
is an encapsulation of stats. So it's just I just
meant like, more statistically than fantasy. The fantasy was more
of a punchline. Yeah, but this more of like a
statistical standpoint. It's hard for me to argue him of
a Baker.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
I understand, Like, you see one guy throw for forty touchdowns.
I'm not a guy throw for twenty. I get it. Yeah,
I understand that. I just like, you know, Matt Stafford,
to me past that eye test, looks like a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
Yeah, definitely makes difficult play.
Speaker 5 (16:00):
As you know, like you said, probably you know, in
a different you know, in a different alternate universe, probably
would have won that game for the Rams last year.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
So that's fine for me. I have him number six
on my list.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
No, it's definitely fair. I have him ten, so I'm
not gonna it's not. And that group behind him is
pretty close. You had Jade and Daniel six, Where did
you have Stafford?
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Nick ten? Ten as well?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
And really looking at it, I think he could be nine.
I have nine ten. Jordan love Matt Stafford. I think
he could even be over Jordan Love personally. But I
just have him projection wise this you know, that was
my kind of outlook on it going into this season.
I just I have Jordan Love edge him out, you
know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I have Love at seven. Everybody knows that listens to this.
I'm just like always afraid of the packers for some reason,
and going into this year, that's what I think. Our
toughest phone in the NFC is it's Green Bay. But
I and Jordan Love. I have him seventh, and I
think I just get so obsessed with We've seen stretches
from Jordan Love where he's a top five quarterback Toyota
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than Jordan Love is a special, special talent. The problem
is we've seen stretches where he's not so a special
whatsoever the first half of last year and stretches.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Of this year.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now I'm the reason I have him seventh, and the
reason I'm willing to excuse some of that is because
we watched him in Week one on you know, sod
In in Brazil, and we watched his knee turn, we
watched him get hurt, and I think that did impact
a portion of his season last year. And I think
when we saw him down the stretch really kind of
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turn it on. That was the healthy version of him,
and it's hard for me to I I'm almost willing
to ignore some of the bad to focus on how
good the good is when he is good a lot
of I use the word good a lot. But Jordan Love,
where do you guys have him? You said you have
him nine years?
Speaker 5 (17:58):
I have eleven, not the biggest Jordan Love fan, and
I'm probably again I'm probably not doing him justice, probably
discounting the fact that I'm not in love with those receivers.
And I don't know how much Jordan Love. The bad
that we've seen of Jordan Love is because he doesn't
really have a you know, go to number one guy
to throw to, and how much of it is Jordan Love.
So I'm eleven. You know, if you put him on
the Rams or something, you know, a team with a
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couple of good, like really good receivers, I probably have
a different feeling about him. I just haven't seen that thing,
and that kind of puts him in that top ten
for me.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
And it's so great point on the receivers, and it's
almost part of why I do feel like I've given
him so much credit when he's had this so I
just I really don't think he's in a great situation.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
He's not.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
The floor's great. Floor is great, and Jake and Jacobs
is very fine running back, definitely, and he but he
was only there this year because Love was even better
without him in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
It was more of a pass centered offense, I think.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
But you just look. I pulled it up here.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
The last ten games of twenty twenty three Toyotas on
November November on they went seven and three. He had
a sixty nine percent completion percentage, nice twenty seven hundred
passing yards, twenty one touchdowns, and three interceptions in a
ten game stretch. And then this year, starting at Thanksgiving,
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he had a This is a little shorter of a
stretch because then he sat Week eighteen, or he played
half of Week eighteen, and then sat. For the six
games that he closed the year with he went sixty
five percentcond pletion percentage, twelve hundred and thirty nine yards,
nine touchdowns, zero interceptions. We've seen it's a little Trevor
lawrenceish where we've seen these six to ten games stretches
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where I would say the difference between him and Trevor
is Trevor in those six to ten game stretches a
top ten quarterback. I'd argue in those stretches, Love looks
like a top five quarterback sometimes. So I do think
the ceiling with Love is a little higher than Lawrence.
Speaker 5 (19:45):
Yeah, I think, I think I agree with that. It's
just yeah, I just can't you know, like you said,
Romeo Dobbs. You know now, Matthew Golden, Jayden Reid again
probably a PSPTSD for having Jayden Reid and who was
just the most hot, one of the most hot and
cold fantasy football players of all time.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I just want to say, like, screw you to the
fantasy analysts out there trying to push Jayden Reed as
like a top top a fifth round pick last year
and now are like, yeah, he's actually like one hundred
and fiftieth, like he's being ranked like so low.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
And I actually, like, I think than that.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
He's forty eight as a receiver.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
Forty eight, Yeah, that's brownari should be, I think.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
And but last year he was being pushed as AOD
French top twenty guy.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I never bought him. I never bought it.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
So the next guy we have up here, so I
had Love seven, I had Jayde Daniels six at number eight,
Sean Bernard's favorite quarterback, Justin Herbert.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Where did you guys have him?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I have him eight two? But I have so I
have Jayden six, Baker seven, Herbert eight.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
I have Baker nine where you have Herbert have Herbert nine.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
So yeah, so again Stafford six, Baker seven, Jane Daniels eight,
Justin Herbert nine.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
All and I think we all have the exact same
top ten or you have Leve eleven, but for similar orders.
Here are pretty similar guys, just in different orders. And
like I said, I have Stafford ten. So with with Herbert.
We were talking about it off air a little bit here,
and it's I'm so annoyed at Sean Bernard for making
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me turn heel on Justin Herbert because for years on
these airwaves I used to have to defend the Jalen
Hurts and the Joe Burrows and the Lamar's and the
Josh Allenson.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Say, these people have accomplished things.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
These people have made it to Super Bowls, these people
have made it to one divisions, these people have won
playoff games. Whatever you want to say, Justin Herbert should
never have been put in tiers with those types of
guys early in his career. Now that's not the consensus
opinion anymore. The consensus opinion now is, Oh, this guy
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thinks he's the IF man.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
He's not a top fifteen quarterback. He's a choke artist.
And I'm not saying that all of that is wrong.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
But let's go through and look at the non top Like,
like I said, like, I don't think there's an argument
for anybody above Jalen Hurts outside of that top five,
because I think there's a pretty big gap, and I
think most of these guys haven't accomplished all that much.
Like if we're saying we can't rank Justin Herbert high
because you know, playoffs, let's let's talk about the other
quarterbacks around him. You know, we'll get to all these
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names and talk it out a little bit more. But
Jordan Love have like tremendous playoffs success. He won what
one big playoff game against Dallas, a Dallas team that
was dead jayde Daniels, you know, he lost fifty five
to twenty three in an NFC championship game Baker Mayfield.
He'd won one playoff game here, I guess he won
one in Cleveland as well, but he won one playoff
game in Tampa against Philadelphia Stafford as a ring obviously
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a little bit. That was four years ago, and I
do think he's older, but that is why Stafford. If
you tell me Stafford over Herbert is of the playoffs,
I'll be like, all right, fine, sure. Jared Goff playoff performer,
Jared Goff. We were in love with how Jared Goff
looked in the playoffs last year.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Quite what did he have? Five? Four or five? Something
like that? Uh? Brock Perdy.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Like, I guess I'm not gonna make him out to
be a playoff loser or like a winner, though necessarily
a winner.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
I don't c J. Stroud.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You want to say he beat Justin Herbert, fine, Dak Prescott.
We're ranking Dak Prescott above Herbert because of his playoff success.
Gina Smith, Guy, I love not exactly a playoff warrior.
Oh and won his career in the playoffs. Trevor Lawrence,
he won one playoff game because Justin Herbert, you know, collapse.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I get that. Bo Nick's one playoff game. He was
a rookie.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
These are the ones that really grind my gears with
seam Bernard. These are the ones that really really grind
my gears. Sean Bernard tries to throw out Tua and
Kyler above Justin Herbert. If we're saying Justin Herbert can't
be ranked high because he's loses big games, you can't
turn around and say to a tunga Iloa has to be.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Ranked above him. And I'm not like a to a hater.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
I was too over Herbert in the draft, like I
liked to h more than Herbert, and I defended it
for a year or two.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I was wrong.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
You cannot use that rationale and then turn around and
give to a or mega loser Kyler Murray credit. I
think he's one of the biggest losers on the planet.
So we'll get to those names a little bit more
in depth. But anything you guys want to add to
the Herbert kind of that it.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
The tide has shifted completely.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
I think, Yeah, I'm gonna I think I think you
pretty much encapsulated well, Nick, if you got something to say.
But again, he for me passes a quarterback eye test definitely,
But again, like there is something to say for a
guy who looks really good in shorts and T shirts
and then a guy who you know, like when the
vidual season turns around.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
But he like he has four or was it three
seasons with close to five thousand yards, Like we're not
talking about like I'm trying to think of a guy
like we're not talking about Daniel Jones. We're not talking
about a guy who looked great in shorts and got
drafted high and honestly, like, we're not even really talking
about Trevor Lawrence. Like and I like Trevor Lawrence. I'm
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not throwing him in the trash like some people are.
But like I think if you wanted to do like
the he's getting pretty privileged or the he's getting uh
you know, credit of being a high draft Lawrence, that's
a bad take. We're not gonna we're not gonna bring
up the Burrow stuff from last year. But but uh,
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but I the tide has shifted too far on Herbert.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
I agree, And like you said, just touching on what
you said, the fact that he was put up with
Paddy with Lamar, like you can't put him in that tier.
He's not going to be in that tier. So when
you put him up against those guys, obviously he's not
gonna amount to what you think he's gonna be. He's
not gonna meet those expectations. So you put those expectations
on him, He's not gonna meet them. So I think
you keep them in the top ten range. I think
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he's well set good in the top.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Ten range, and then we I think we have a
bit of a drop off after those guys.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I guess not the root.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Who who did you we have the top of Let
then who do we not name from your top eleven?
Speaker 4 (26:01):
So everybody in my top eleven you got because loves
my Oh Jared Goff.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
No, No, So there we are because golf is eleven
for me as well, so we're same for me, so
we have the same top eleven.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Yeah, Golf.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
I think this is like, you know, f around and
find out this year without Ben Jonson, he's either going
to be I think, solidified in the top ten if
he comes out and has a great year, or we're
going to be like, wait, we were talking about Jared
Golf in the top ten, Like I think he could
quickly be like twenty on this list. I think it's
probably going to be in the middle. I think they're
probably gonna win ten or eleven games, have a slight
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drop off. Maybe Jamior Gibbs takes a bigger role as
a runner. Like, I think there's ways that they could
probably hide, you know, hold the tides off, but without
a complete collapse without the coordinators. But I do think
that the this is more of a this is an
overall Lions conversation. I think people being like, oh, the
Lions are your like top competitor to win the NFC.
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I think that's insane, And like I think that the
second Nods probably I'm not looking at it right now,
thik their second announts to in the NFC. I can't
wrap my mind around how people think this team got better.
Speaker 4 (27:07):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
What did they add to this roster while losing their
offensive coordinator and defensive coordinator. I'm not saying they're gonna
go eight to nine and fall off the face of
the earth. Why am I supposed to believe that they
kept pace with the Eagles. They kept pace with all
the other teams in their division that went out and
did a ton of stuff. They kept pace with the Bucks,
who I think got a lot better this offseason. They
kept pace with the Rams, who I think got a
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lot better this offseason. Like I'm not taking the Lions
very seriously at all. It would surprise me more if
they made the NFC Championship then it would surprise me
if they missed the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
That's a take. I mean, I personally think they will.
I think they'll win that division. Me and b Forre
talking about the other night, I still think the Packers
are just a team that I really loved coming out
of last season. Entering this season, I loved them, and
as the season ye's it closer, I'm like, I'm just
leaning more towards the lines right now. I don't really
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even have a reasoning why. I think it's just all
of the talk with the Tush push is just leaning
me way against the Packers. To me, that has no,
you know, correlation to them playing football. But I think
just listening to that, I'm like, I don't I don't
like the Packers anymore.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
If anything, I actually think it makes me think that
the Eagles Packers is going to be like the defining
rivalry of the NFC of the twenty twenties. Like I
said that when this stuff was going around on the show,
I think where I was like like get ready for
the playoff rivalry. Now like we are gonna hate the
Green Bay Packers, you know, more than we've ever hated
a non division rival, I think. But I Edgar and
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I've been reading about Edgar and Cooper. Shane and I
just did our under twenty five draft on Chalk Talk
where we put together a full roster of the guys
who are under twenty five as of September first, and
it's always a fun exercise to do that.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
And the guy who I was.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Reading about, I didn't really he and PFF grades, you know,
take him with a grain of salt. I'm I'm not
telling you they're perfect. After I think Week thirteen last year,
at the rest of the year, Edrian Cooper had the
best PFF grade of any defender in the NFL, including
the playoffs, over like a six game stretch. It was
like a ninety five point one PFF grade.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
He is.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I think like Packers writers are kind of like floating
him out there as like a potential defensive player of
the year if he has like the breakout, the full
breakout in year two, because that was as a rookie.
And the Packers the thing I've always talked about them
each of the last two years They've been the youngest
team in football and they made the playoffs both years.
I think, like I thought last year was gonna be
the year they exploded in one thirteen or fourteen games.
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I think the Jordan Love injury stopped that from happening. Happening.
Like you saw a couple of division losses early in
the year. He came back for that Vikings game where
he didn't look right and they lost, and I think
of a couple of those, they lost a couple of
close games as well. I think the Packers are primed
for a big, big season this year. But uh, anyway,
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we'll get to that. Uh, we'll get to that a
little bit later. But in the same goff tire for me,
I have four names. I have Golf eleven, Prety twelve,
Stroud thirteen, Dak fourteen. To me, you could tell me
you have those four names ranked in any way, and
I'd be like, sure, yep, yep, I have so.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
After eleven at goth I have Prety twelve, Stroud thirteen,
Gino Smith fourteen, Back fifteen.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Okay, all right, I have Stroud twelve, I have Prety thirteen,
I have Dak fourteen. So I think we're all the
same way. Let me let me kind of bring it
back for a second. I want to let's go back
to the Jordan love tier because for me, I think
that's kind of where it stopped.
Speaker 5 (30:38):
When that stops. But I think that's a good cutoff.
So the Jordan love I'll start from Jalen to Jordan. Okay,
the five to eleven, we have those guys in some water.
Five to eleven? What can any of those Can any
of those guys do anything this season to get to
that top four tier?
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Top four? Yeah? Did get to that Joe Burrow conversation?
Any of those guys? If Jens just if he just
wins it, but what if he's not? What if he
gets there? Yeah? No, what if well A, what if
he gets there? B? What if he wins it?
Speaker 5 (31:09):
But if he's not, you know, superstar elect like he's
not the bu.
Speaker 4 (31:14):
I think if you win a second straight I think
second straight and three appearances of four years, I.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Think people will start Even Mahomes, it's totally different. But
because Mahomes came in breaking records when he was young,
people don't care that Mahomes doesn't.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Put up numbers. Now.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I feel in these conversations. Not that he's Mahomes He's not,
but I I don't. I do think. I think if
Herbert won a Super Bowl, he'd be immediately vaulted above
Jalen like easily for most people.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
He already.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I mean, look at the list right now. He's above
him right now. But I think people would people I
think would argue Herbert over Burrow if he wants to.
If you want one year, so I think so.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
Yeah, I don't think I would be one of them.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
But I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
But I don't know nobody else. Probably, I mean maybe
if Love had like a if Jane Daniels just goes off, Yeah, yeah,
if if matt if Matthew Golden is a stud and
Jordan Love has four forty five hundred yards and they
win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (32:14):
What is not? What's Christian Watson's deal with his leg?
Speaker 4 (32:18):
I'm done.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
I was gonna say, what what's going on with him?
Is he ever going to see a supperfield?
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Again?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
He discussed I can't stand every Packers receiver. I think
they also.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
They're all mixed games a year, but they never play
at the same time.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
Jane Jayden replays all the time.
Speaker 5 (32:35):
He just sometimes he hasn't reverse for five yards and
does nothing else, and sometimes he has three for one.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Oh my god, Tucker Craft, Tucker Cucker, Tucker Craft is
my guy. That's my only guy in that offense. Everybody
else schedule play games a year and didn't run me
dogs go like a wall last year.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Yeah he had something he missed a couple of games
for like a some some type but like off the fields.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yeah, yeah, guys, awful ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
So yeah, we we talked about all those guys. I
guess we all have.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Dak, right, fourteen or fifteen? Are any of us? Are
we being a little disrespectful? Is there a chance we
feel like Dak vaults himself right back into that like
love Herbert Baker.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
If he has another four thousand yard thirty plus touchdowns,
it's just being healthy.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
I think he's just helping least seventeen games a Dak.
That's the thing.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
It's like like in my mind, right, like before I
did a list, I'm like, Dak prescottin helped me the
top ten quarterback, right, and then you put the list
back together, you're like, probably not because he's not healthy,
but when he's healthy, he's probably a top ten.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
It's hard for me because I look at this list
and it's hard for If you put truth serum in
my body, I think I'd have a hard time telling
you that I think Jared Goffin brought pretty or better
quarterback or not.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Probably like in a healthy in a healthy universe, they're
probably not, They're probably not.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Where do you guys have Trevor?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
I have him nineteen eighteen, I haven't fifteen, So I
guess I'm the high guy here on Trevor. How big
is this year for Trevor? Nick, you're a part of
my take?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Guy?
Speaker 4 (34:10):
Did you listen to uh Vignett?
Speaker 3 (34:12):
I saw some class, but I need to tune into
that one interesting interview.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
He definitely put some pressure on himself. I feel like
like he understood that. You know, he was pretty honest.
I felt like, and this is not where he wanted
to be, you know, going into it was a fifth
year for whatever it is, so I thought it was
it was good to hear him like not kind of
shy away from how it's been pretty disappointing. So I
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guess what are you guys expecting from Trevor this year?
Brian Thomas junior, Travis Hunter, new coach, What do you think.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
I think he's just gonna be Trevor again. I mean
it'll be healthy. I mean, I don't think we're going
to see the you know, the really good Trevor that
we saw for for a stretch.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
The second half of twenty five two. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
I just pulled that up, by the way, Yeah, nine
games stretch they went seven to two and that stretched
seventy percent completion percentage, twenty three hundred yards, fifteen touchdowns
to interception.
Speaker 4 (35:02):
I don't think we're going to see that that trailer
that if.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
He would have done that over a full season, that
would have been forty three hundred yards, twenty eight touchdowns
and four picks.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, and I think we're just going to see again
middle of the road, like you know, sixteen seventeen, eighteenth
best quarterback in the NFL, and when you're getting paid
fifteen million dollars a year, you gotta do a little
bit more than that. So yeah, I think again, I
think he's fine.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
I don't know if it's a situational thing, but Trevor,
because I think he has the tools. I just don't
it just hasn't all come together consistently for Trevor LARTs.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
I don't know what it is, like.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
I don't know if a fresh Dart is what he
needs or what, but I think I think there's something there.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
I just don't think we'll see it this season.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I think, you know, anything that the con family touches
the craft, that's a that's an a shout out. But
not even that though, So I forgot about this the
seven games that he came back right in twenty twenty three,
So he had those nine games stretch where they go
seven and two, and then he has a seven game
stretch to start twenty twenty three where they go five
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into sixty eight percent could place fer percentage sixteen hundred
and forty three yards, eight touchdowns, three interceptions, So that
means over sixteen games, that's.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Four thousand yards.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
That's I think it's like twenty eight touchdowns, it's only
like six interceptions. Like that's a twelve and four record
over a sixteen game stretch. Like every other stretch of
his career has been terrible. Yeah, not bad, terrible, but
that's seventeen or that sixteen game stretch is But I
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can't throw it away.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I can't throw it away.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
It's the only time that that organization has felt somewhat
competent in since twenty seventeen, like since years before him.
So it's hard for me to just divorce myself for
that and not put him like fifteen, sixteen seventeen. But
I understand that, you know, he's been at times not
a top twenty five quarterback.
Speaker 5 (36:52):
No, Like you the point that you made about Dak Prescott,
like again, in a perfect world, right, like if Jordan,
if Trevor Lawrence, you know, if you just had to
rank him as pure quarterback ability, right, he's probably a
better quarterback than Brock Party. Right, It's probably a better
quarterback than Kyler Murray. But it just because of the situation
or whatever like that, Like he's just you know, eighteenth,
nineteenth and again, like I don't know what the answer is.
(37:15):
Maybe like the money game's not doing a many favorites.
Maybe he just needs, you know, a fresh scenery or whatever.
But like if you just if you just had all
right quarterback combine, right, like, there's no way he's not
a top fifteen guy, like I would you know, I
would think, but definitely, like you.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Were talking about the eye test, you just look at.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
Him, right, it looks like good it got everything, got everything,
and she got everything that she went out of quarterback.
I mean he was drafted because again he had everything
that you went out of quarterback, just hasn't put it
all together.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
One last guy before we take a break here, you
mentioned him, You had him at fourteen.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
It's funny I made this list.
Speaker 2 (37:46):
I think like a month and a half ago is
Shane half for our show, and I put Geno sixteen.
And when I when I did that, and I put
Gino over bon Nicks in Tua and Kyler and a
couple other guys, and not to mention the guy that
Seattle literally gave up on him for in Sam Donald,
I put Geno comfortably ahead of Sam Darnald.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
When I put that.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
List out, I thought, and this was kind of before
we try to do it our quarterback list before. It
seems like every July you get these this deluge of
quarterback lists. Everybody does theirs, and we always try to
get out ahead of that to not kind of group
think it. So we're doing our own before that kind
of rush happens. And when I put that out, I
was like, people are gonna kill me, on Geno because
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I remember when I did what was the event that
the Eagles were at that we Sean Bernard and I
and Sam did the live show, the Philly Card Show.
That event we had like it was the day Gino
got traded, so we were reacting. It happened like right
before we went on on air, so we were reacting
to it, and I was saying, like, I think Gino's
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better than I listed. I think some of those names,
like I think Kyler, Tua bo Nick's I think I
was saying Trevor at the time that even now when
I ranked it, I put Trevor above him. And we
had people in the audience being like Gino sucks, like
you you're overrating Gino, Like people were yelling at me
about Gino swith. So when I put this list out there,
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I thought I was gonna get killed. Now I'm seeing
all these lists Nick as in fourteen, most people have
him higher than I have him at sixteen. I'm just
happy to see we're all respecting Gino.
Speaker 4 (39:17):
Yeah, I mean, it's it's finally time for him.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
I mean it's been however many years that he's finally
coming out and he goes to the Raiders. I mean
they're young. I know they're not, you know, looked upon
of you know, gonna make the playoffs maybe, but they're
an up and coming team with gent Bowers. Love Jacoby Myers.
Jacoby Myers needs to get a lot more credit. So
I think I think that corps right there, you get
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a nice defense with him. Obviously Max Crosby on that side.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Hope he enjoyed his true teeth. According to Shank, yeah,
that was that was good. That was Oh my god,
what that was so funny.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
But anyway, Max Crossby maybe not a dude i'd like
want to hang out with, but I dude, it scares
you on the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
But Raider wise, I'm all in.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
I'm all in there this season, Raiders playoffs. I think
last year the Raiders had the worst quarterback play in
the NFL, the worst head coach in the NFL. And
you go out and you add aggressively competent Pete Carroll
and I know people probably aren't jazzed by that. Higher
I think the stat was twelve to the last thirteen years,
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or not eleven the last twelve years. I forget what
the number was. He said, winning season. So I think
he's going to immediately get in there and inject competence
into the organization. I think you say the exact same
thing for Gino. He's going to get in there and
immediately be competent at quarterback. And I think there's a
chance that they have the best running back in the world.
You're telling me Aidan O'Connell wasn't a confident quarterback. People
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were trying to, like tell me that Aidan O'Connell wasn't
that bad last year.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
I remember like doing that years.
Speaker 2 (40:55):
I would be like, why aren't they trying Minshew or
why aren't they trying something? And it like and people
were like, what's the difference, Like they're trying to see
if they have anything in at you don't. Don't you
don't have anything in Aidan O'Connell, I promise, like so whatever,
but let's take a break and on the other side,
we'll wrap this up with kind of the bottom of
the quarterbacks here right here on the top Cover Radio show.
Speaker 1 (41:17):
Spreads totals and all the prop that's in between.
Speaker 4 (41:21):
It's the gambler. We're good, I hear. Welcome back to
the Tough Cover Radio Show.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Right here on the Gambler, finishing up our conversation on
quarterbacks here, I so a brief aside. I, when I
made this list a while ago, did not rank Caleb Williams,
Drake May, JJ McCarthy, Michael Pennix, cam Ward or Tyler Schuck.
I didn't rank the four guys from last year who
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barely played or in Caleb's case, played in such a
terrible situation that I feel like I didn't even know
how to take away from it. And then Ward and
Chuck as rookies, so I decided to not rank them.
I believe my counterparts here did rank them. So the
rankings will differ just a little bit here towards the end.
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But let's talk about bon Nicks, one of the rookies
who I did rank from last year, because I think
what you saw from bo Nix is kind of what
you're gonna get from boon Nix. And maybe again I'm
assigning ceilings to young guys who I shouldn't asign ceilings too,
But I think bon Nicks and that Sean Payton system,
the guys like thirty five already coming out of college.
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So I think what you saw someone just dunked that
in from like one hundred and fifty plus yards there
for an eagle. That was an unbelievable shot. I am
not a golf guy, but that that was a crazy,
crazy shot. Had to announce that there. But yeah, let's
talk about Bonex. I had Bonecks seventeen. Where did you
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have him?
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (43:05):
I have him sixteen?
Speaker 4 (43:06):
And I think Roy is the low guy. I have
a twenty Why did you have him a little bit lower? Again?
Speaker 5 (43:11):
This is for me Bnicks Again, I think it's more
against C. J. Stroud PTSD because a lot of people
Sean Bracy are very own, Sean brace very high on
We'll see j Strout, you know, because sophomore quarterbacks unless
I see that special something like Jay Daniels is different, right,
Like we know, like there's something about him that's just different.
Like I think he's going to be fine. I think
we all agree on that. Bonix, I just need to
see it again. I'm not quite there to put him over,
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you know, on a list, over Trevor Lawrence, over Gino
Smith until he doesn't give me gives me another twenty
nine touchdown performance.
Speaker 4 (43:40):
So that's that's the reason why I have him so low.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
And then so Nick you actually have him a little
bit higher.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
Do you think that.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
I'm being a little bit unfair with the ceiling thing.
Is there kind of a ceiling that I'm not seeing
that he's going to get to? Or what I kind
of think is I think Sean Payton's the best offensive
code or one of the best of M's coaches of
all time.
Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, take piggyback off that. I think he's in a
great system to thrive. With Scotland Sutton on the outside,
I love I'm one of the biggest Courtland Sutton stands
you'll probably meet. I bet him touchdown all the time.
I think in seven straight games, I think he did it.
So I will always ride with Courtland Sutton. But with
that whole talking about the Broncos team, what they did
in the draft, I absolutely love. Defensively, not this is
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not even talking about bo Nicks, but defensively with Jada Baron,
cross side is certained. He's gonna get a lot of volume.
So if you want a little defensive rookie of the
year other than Abdul Carter, who's a clear favorite right now,
I think Jday Baron's a good target with the value there,
with the you know, the volume that he's gonna see
with certained on the other side. But that's on the
other side of the ball. Bow Knicks. I just love
the way he slings it. He goes out there. He
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doesn't care like you said, Sean Payton. He's gonna go
out there, call his game plan for his quarterback. He's
gonna go out there, and they bring in Evan Ingram.
Evan Ingram is gonna be a great piece, a great
tight end, maybe even fantasy down the board. If you
miss out on Bowers, you miss out on McBride, you
miss out on the top tier. Wait a little bit.
I think Evan Ingram's a great piece down the board.
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So I really do like bo Nicks in that Broncos office.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
So let's kind of speed through the end here and
we'll only talk about guys if there's any kind of
big day different or disagreements or differences.
Speaker 4 (45:17):
Tua, what number do we all have met?
Speaker 2 (45:19):
I have him at eighteen, twenty one, I have him nineteen,
all relatively similar. Kyler Murray, I am seventeen, I am fifteen,
I am nineteen.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
So we've talked about this before.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I think I'm just I'm so done with the Cardinals
at this point and the closer we get to the year,
I've like subtracted a win every week. I think from
what I think the record is going to be, I'm
now I'm at like four or five wins. Like, I
think this team's going to spiral out of control. I
think Gannon gets fired during the season potentially. Like I
just think Arizona is the only market that you could
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have brought back Kyler Murray, Jonathan Gannon and the offensive
coordinator when the offense has regressed so heavily in their
time there together. I don't understand how they're just like
business as usual bringing the gang back.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
That's the kind of part of this.
Speaker 5 (46:07):
Yeah, But I mean, but Kyler Murray, that's the thing
when when he's good, he's really good. Obviously dynamic with
his legs. Had thirty eight hundred passing yards last year
in an offense that you said was kind of awful
for stretches stretches at the time. But you have a
Marvin Harrison, you have a Treatment Bride, Like I think
this is as like a guy we talked about before,
Trevor Lawrence. I think this is almost approved year for
Kyler Murray. Like if Kyler Murray doesn't take that.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I don't say to take the next step, but if
he doesn't kind of fault himself into that top fifty,
you know top I don't say twelve the top fifteen
quarterback discussion, then I think they probably need to make it,
make a move at quarterback because he has the tools.
Speaker 5 (46:40):
There's enough around him where the should be good. James Connor,
there's enough around hi where he should be very very good.
That offensive time just looks like pathetic.
Speaker 4 (46:48):
They scored under fourteen points six times last year.
Speaker 3 (46:51):
It's crazy, like.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
That should should never happen with that, with that team,
with that kind of dynamic quarterback. I mean, like again,
like you have like just give the ball to James
Connor thirty touches a game, Like when you give James
Connor what twenty plus touches?
Speaker 5 (47:03):
Like this team is like has a very is a
very good record. Just give James kind of the ball.
If you don't trust Kyler Murray, just give James Connor
of the ball. But Kyler Murray has enough around him. Again,
thirty one hundred passing yards in a bad offense. He
should be better than he is. He's just not.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
He had four games with multiple passing touchdowns twenty one
touchdowns on the year passing, Like, I just it doesn't
make sense, doesn't make sense. It is really disappointing. Thirty
six forty five and one in his career in terms
of record, caul of Duty comes out, you know, yeah,
got to pack it in, forget about it. He hasn't
had a winning season since twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (47:37):
Yeah, what's its eight seventh year?
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Eight year there, he's going into the seventh year.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Day this time, I was going to say, yeah, this
has come on seven years in with the system that
you're in, you got it. You gotta make it, you
gotta do something.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
He's fourteen and twenty three over his last three years.
That's not a small sample size at this point. Like,
and I know he only played eleven games in eight
games in the in for in two of those years.
But I'm done. He guy's a loser. I think I
think the guy's a total loser. And it's also like
I think his size.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
Just well, that's a problem. It's a problem.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
He has to drop back fifteen yards if he gets
sacked in your drive is over. And by the way,
I can't believe like I'm like, that's my dad, Like,
that's such a my dad comment, such a boomer comment,
such like.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
A he's sure he drops back.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
So my dad used says about Michael Vick like like
five years ago.
Speaker 4 (48:28):
I think he's fine, thousand yards, it's fine. Drew Brees
is fine.
Speaker 2 (48:32):
Yeah, fine, Well let's just let's just say he wasn't
saying about Drew Brees, but.
Speaker 4 (48:39):
Certain guys you'd hear it about.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
But I feel that way, I get my I used
to really like Kyler, but I get my most boomer
I think in in my life at this point watching Kyler,
it really bothers me because like Tim Robinson and I
think he's like, it really bothers.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
Me because you look at it.
Speaker 5 (48:59):
He's like when I like a toddler because he just
has to get just get out of the pockets just
to make a play happen. I understand that with Kyler Murray,
like you probably won't ever be able to kind of
get past that. But I mean again, seven years into
the league, you got to give me more than you can't.
You can't still be that, you know, double diggy interception guy.
You can't like you like, you need to be past.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
That Darnald at twenty Where do you guys have I
have him twenty five, twenty three, but I have I
have fields Bryce Young and Michael Poenix over him.
Speaker 4 (49:28):
I have fields twenty one. Where do you guys have
twenty two? I feel twenty eight? I really don't. I
don't know where to put him because he's not a
good quarterback. He does stuff with his legs, which is
like that rise him up.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
I think it gives him a higher floor than some
of these other guys, Like I think his floor is
a lot higher.
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Than Bryce Young's. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:50):
Yeah, And by the way, I will just say the
Steelers should have never benched Justin Fields like you should
put a whole season four and to their offensive success
rate was better when he is in the game.
Speaker 4 (50:00):
It's just I get it. It's not like a modern
NFL offense.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I think part of that was also Arthur Smith and
how he was calling the games there. But I'm a
fields defender. I and what did he went on? Got
like eighty million dollars from the Jets.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
It was a two forty. I knew it was twenty million.
Speaker 2 (50:18):
Per I don't know why I fought four years, but
I think Justin Fields is going to prove himself to
be a starting quarterback in this league this year. We
talked about this last week. Sure, I'm in on the Jets.
I think the Jets are going to be competent on offense.
And I think the big part of that is I
think his I think his legs are going to give
that offensive floor an offense that I think is a
really good offensive line. Weirdly enough, you wouldn't think that
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about a team like the Jets, Like a team that's
been bad for so long, They've really put in work
getting getting young, blue chip pieces on that line. Bryce Young,
I don't even I feel like I've talked about this
too much. Now we're as society, we needed to calm
down with Bryce Young. Where do we all have ranked?
I have him twenty two, twenty three, that's where I
to five. Yeah, yeah, like Shamarard is in fourteen, see ye,
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and I love Shaan Bernard, but fourteen for Bryce Young.
I haven't stopped thinking about it since he said it.
I just think I said this, Bryce Young set the
bar so low that when he looked at all competent,
we were like, he's here, this is Bryce Young, this
is the guy we wanted to see it doesn't erase
everything that he had done previously.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
So Aaron Rodgers, where did we.
Speaker 3 (51:27):
Have him twenty six?
Speaker 4 (51:29):
I'm pretty high. I'm twenty one, I'm twenty.
Speaker 3 (51:32):
Three, twenty six, I have him behind Donald.
Speaker 4 (51:35):
I am behind Donald as well.
Speaker 2 (51:36):
I have Donald twenty but again I didn't rank a
couple of the younger guys as well. Russell Wilson twenty four,
Daniel Jones twenty five, Joe Flacco twenty six.
Speaker 4 (51:45):
Is how I round it out here?
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (51:47):
I finished my twenty nine, Russell Wilson or James whatever
is in that giant system. Then Anthony Richardson, Daniel Jones,
Joe Flacco, can you pick it? If he plays? And
then Tyler Shuck at thirty two?
Speaker 4 (52:00):
What do you guys? Have a drinking my I'm just
going through. I didn't. I didn't drink guys. Yeah, I'm twenty,
I'm twenty two.
Speaker 3 (52:07):
Over to and justin. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
If I'm just guessing, like who I would rather? Given
what I know who? I would rather take May over
for just this year. I would rather have May than Bryce.
Speaker 4 (52:18):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
I agree with that.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
I would I would rather have May than Fields. Maybe
it's it's may or Donald. Donald for me is like
may and Donald are back to back For me, yeah,
I'd probably take Donald just because of what he did
last year out of respect.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
But then I have Kyler over him, and Kyler's a loser,
so would kind of take May. So I don't know,
But let's that wraps up the quarterback discussion. On the
other side, hitting it from a fantasy angle, we're gonna
talk about at least the first six or seven rounds
with the real focus on the first round, with guys
that were at ADP's that are adyps for the for
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the non nerds out there, average draft position, guys that
are at an average draft position that targeting in those rounds,
and guys that are at the average TRAPP position that
we just won't be drafting because they're going in those rounds.
So we're gonna turn around and talk about that on
the other side right here on the Tough Cover Radio Show.
Speaker 1 (53:09):
If you get wager on it, we're talking about it.
It's the Gambler.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
Welcome back to the Tough Cover Radio Show. Right here
on the Gambler second hour, twelve o'clock here on Saturday
July nineteenth, Nick McClay and Roy Burton in the studio
with me, and we're gonna switch it over to the
fantasy side of things. We talked real life, we talked
to quarterbacks. Let's switch it over and talk about some
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fantasy football. And I went down the average draft position
for ESPN round by round and wrote down the first
six rounds here, so the top seventy two. And we're
gonna focus a little bit more on the first round
and then we'll kind of more on just the guys
we like or dislike going forward after that.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
But for round one.
Speaker 2 (54:04):
Is ESPN PPR ADP number one. We've got wide receiver,
Jamar Chase. I think later on I'll list the twelve
and then we'll go through it. But let's go one
by one here, Jamar Chase, wide receiver.
Speaker 4 (54:17):
One overall one. Is there a.
Speaker 2 (54:20):
Huge gap for you really between number the number one
pick and the number two pick.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
I don't think there's a huge gap for me.
Speaker 5 (54:27):
Like I told Brace when I was on with him
a few weeks ago, I think you can make a
case for a couple of guys at number one. Justin Jefferson,
you know he's been you know, last last few seasons
he's been wide receiver wide receiver five or better each
of the last four seasons. He's a fantastic option and
one if you want to go to, especially if you're
in a PPR league. But Jamar and Chase for me, again,
given what we saw last year, just a fantastic option.
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I think my option for number wide receiver one. He
out outpointed Justin Jervison by more than four fantasy points
per game last year, nine top ten finishes. I mean,
he's just an absolute fantasy beast. So for me, he's one.
You know, he's one, He's one dot one. But I
want to make a case for Justin Jefferson. I wouldn't
hate it.
Speaker 2 (55:04):
I'm a big fan that you'd throw out the top
ten fantasy finishes thing. That's a sleeper thing, right if
you go through the you could see it pretty easily
on their game locked on sleeper. I don't look at
that enough. I think it's a really good I think
it's a really good tool, especially like yeah, I especially
with the top guys and the quarterbacks and the tight
ends where it's not like sit there. Yeah, I think
it's a really good tool for that. But something else
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interesting with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4 (55:28):
I guess T.
Speaker 2 (55:29):
Higgins played twelve games last year. Do we think if T.
Higgins plays a full season, that means Jamar probably a
little bit closer to the pack.
Speaker 4 (55:38):
So that was the thing that I thought. I'm like,
all right, well, maybe he's a little bit closer to
the pack.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
He averaged I don't have the numbers in front of me,
but he actually averaged more Fantasy points when Higgins was
on the field than he did without T.
Speaker 4 (55:49):
Higgins.
Speaker 5 (55:49):
So again, I think he's a guy who's quarterback independent.
Speaker 4 (55:52):
I think he's a wide receiver or running back independent.
I think he's just a guy who just puts up
fantasy numbers every single week. So yeah, Jamar Chase for me,
is just absolutely the guy.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Nick for Jamaar going first, do you think that there's
a gap there between the number one pick and everything else?
Speaker 3 (56:06):
Now I'm with Royal on this. I think it's either Jamar.
I mean, and you look at the production just based
on his quarterback. I mean, they're going to be slinging
the rock majority of the time, so he's going to
get a lot of volume. And like you said, when
Higgins is even on the field, he's still going to
get those targets. Drawling Moore eyes away from Chase, So
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I think Chase is that wide receiver one you look
Justin Jefferson. I think really the main question would be
JJ McCarthy and he get him the ball, which should
be able to it's Justin Jefferson throw them the ball.
He saw Sam Darnold do it. So I think only
question with Jefferson would be the quarterback play that would
make me lean Chase one. But you look him Jefferson too,
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then if you want to go running back Bijon Saquon
there after that, I mean, yeah, I think I think
all those four options, you're you're set, So yeah, let's.
Speaker 2 (56:55):
Get to be I don't know if it's that. I
think there's a gap between Jamaar and everybody else. What
I will say is normally I'm not someone who wants
the number one pick. Maybe that's because obviously the gap
of who you're getting in the second round. I usually
feel like when it's whether it's Christian McCaffrey some years
other whoever you want to say, whoever the number one
pick is, I feel like I usually think there's a
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smaller gap between the number one pick and everybody else,
and a lot of that has to do with risk
and injury risk. If a guy gets hurt, you know,
every nobody can be that far ahead usually in my opinion,
as the number one pick.
Speaker 4 (57:29):
This year, I kind of want the number one pick,
and I don't.
Speaker 2 (57:31):
I don't know if that's because of the gap or
because I actually kind of like the way that the
turn sets up in round two, round three with some
of the guys who will be available at all the positions.
To be honest, but this is a year where I
actually think it's a year that I wouldn't mind having
the number one pick. I guess what i'd say is
Jon Robinson's number two. You guys aren't kind of raising
your eyebrows at all if someone takes Bjon Robinson one
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to one in your draft.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
No, I would.
Speaker 3 (57:58):
I would definitely assume it would be Chase and I'll
be like, oh, a little bit, but I wouldn't knock
you for it at all.
Speaker 4 (58:04):
Yeah, out neither one.
Speaker 5 (58:05):
I I mean I'd probably lean more towards Bejon it two,
I who was like a you know, half half you know,
point reception league. But I mean, if you want to
take Jon in one even if it's a PPR league,
I wouldn't hate it.
Speaker 4 (58:16):
Yeah, you know, I wouldn't necessarily hate that.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
Bijon, I think obviously turned it around from a touchdown
standpoint last year fourteen touchdowns, and you look at what
he did with Michael Pennox his last two weeks. This
is something I talked about a lot with someone we're
going to get to in round two. Who The closer
we get to the season, the more I'm falling in
love with. But last two games of the year, Vjeon
went seventeen for ninety five point three yards per carry,
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two touchdowns, and then in Week eighteen against Carolina twenty
eight carries one hundred and seventy yards two touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (58:46):
I think there's a lot.
Speaker 2 (58:47):
Of promising things to take away from from those those
two Penix starts. Bejon's one of them. Bijon is my
RB one going into this year, and I have him
number two overall as well.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Are you in the same way I was?
Speaker 5 (59:00):
I have three overall I had I had coming into
you know when I started this, I guess the beginning
of the summer, I had sae Quon one.
Speaker 4 (59:07):
I flipped them.
Speaker 5 (59:07):
Okay, I just kind of like stug into the numbers,
and I think Bijon against is now my RB one.
He was RB one from week six on last year.
He was just a really good running back. And again
like I think the the the escension of Bijon plus
the probably the probable you know, regression to the mean
for Saquon Barkley.
Speaker 4 (59:24):
For me, that's that's why I flipped those two in
my order.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
And then so let me make sure that they're three throughs. Yeah,
so my three, four, five, six, seven. You could pretty
much tell me you ranked this in any order. The
only difference in the order with the ESPN is that
gent is ninth and not in the top seven.
Speaker 4 (59:43):
But they're three through six.
Speaker 2 (59:45):
Is Saquon Barkley, justin Jefferson, Jamir Gibbs, ceed Lamb. To me,
you could tell me you ranked those four guys in
any order. I'm not going to really give you a
grief about it. I have it Gibbs, Barkley, Jefferson, and
then Lamb. I actually have Gentee above Lamb. But those
are the four that I have it in that order.
But I'll throw two. I'll throw two things at you guys.
(01:00:09):
Two things actually heard from Adam Azer coming in today
on the Fantasy Football CBS show, A fun show to
listen to. But Jamiir Gibbs was on pace in games
David Montgomery played for two hundred and twenty carries and
only forty six catches. And you look at a guy
like Devon a Chan who's going in the second round,
a guy who I'm probably lower on than consensus, was
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on pace for two hundred twenty six carries and one
hundred and four catches in games that to have played.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Ye are we?
Speaker 2 (01:00:37):
Jamier Gibbs is awesome, so talented? Is there part of
you that thinks is there enough touches to justify the
pick if Montgomery stays healthy?
Speaker 5 (01:00:48):
So I believe there are enough touches for him, because
again I think, well, I don't think we're going to
see the same split that we did last year as
far as carries and receptions. But just before Montgomery got hurt,
I think the number I think it was. I think
Gibbs had one hundred and eighty five carries and Motomery
had eighty one hundred and eighty four, So it's basically
fifty to fifty split on carries. I don't think we're
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gonna see that this year, Like, yeah, say, if I'm the
if I'm there, if I'm running that Detroit offense, it's
at least a sixty to forty carries split.
Speaker 4 (01:01:15):
From me for Jamira Gibbs to between and David Montgomery.
Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
So or if it's fifty fifty, he needs to get
more than fifty two catches.
Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Yeah, yeah, so as yeah, so I think I think
the volume leans me more towards Gibbs having a much
better year than a Chan. But you're right, like eight Chan,
like we don't talk enough.
Speaker 4 (01:01:31):
About eight Chan.
Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
He had a seventy eight receptions last year like he's
and he has no there's nobody. There's nobody in that
in that Miami running back, right, that's really gonna kind
of you know, you know, cut into his touches.
Speaker 4 (01:01:43):
So Devana a Chan.
Speaker 5 (01:01:44):
The thing about fantasy, I like guys who get a
lot of work and guys who don't have threats to
get that work taken away from him. And Devin eh
Chan definitely fits the bill.
Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
And by the way, I'm a crypicker because I have
Gibbs third overall, right now I have him as RB two.
Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
It's worth the question, It's worth it it's worth the question.
Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
But the more I think about it, I'm saying, maybe
I should bump Jefferson, Maybe I should bump CD, Maybe
I should bump even Ashton Genty above Jamiir Gibbs. Am
I am I crazy for thinking that neck No, not
at all.
Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I think you're right on pace with kind of what
I'm thinking. I think it's definitely gonna be a different split. Obviously,
Ben Johnson leaving it, you're not gonna have the same offense.
But he's still Jamior Gibbs. Get the ball in his
hands any way you can. Explosive players are gonna happen
behind that offensive line, especially you want to spread the
ball out James and Williams a couple deep shots, then
you run with Gibbs. You got two explosive players. I
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think that really compliment each other in that line's offense.
Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
And I think people will point to the twenty touchdowns
from Jamior Gibbs as maybe a way to regress a
little bit as well. And I've also seen some people
point at touchdown progression positively given the amount of carry
Saquan had I don't necessarily see that though he had
thirteen rushing touchdowns two receiving touchdowns. Fun fact about Saquan
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something people I always yelled and scream about. Saquon was
stopped at the one four more times than any player
in the NFL. It was nine times last year. I
think a lot of people look at that stat and
they're like, oh, I feel so bad for Saquon. I
don't think he's a good short yard it's back like,
I think he's amazing at breaking a breaking a run,
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and he's good at breaking a tackle in the open field.
I think we have enough evidence and I felt this
way in New York about Seaquon. Maybe we have enough
evidence that he's not good at the goal line. And
that's not a big deal, especially not for us with
the push push. But I don't see some you know,
positive touchdown regression coming for Saquon. And I think it's
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hard to not see some level of regression coming, you know,
to the mean negatively.
Speaker 4 (01:03:43):
There has to be and we talked about it last week.
You know, guys would get that much work.
Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
You know, they just aren't the same running back, you know,
production wise, you know the next season. But like I
mentioned before, if you have a twenty five percent regression
for Saquon Barkley. Still fifteen hundred rushing yards, still ten touchdowns, right,
so even even as those at those, he's still a
top five running back. So again, they don't don't knock
him out of the first round of you know of
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your you know of your selections. I mean he's still
going to be an elite fantasy running back.
Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, I have him fourth overall and I have him
RB three. But sa Kwan, what are you kind of expecting?
Where are you looking at him this year?
Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (01:04:17):
Yeah, there's that. I mean, like you just to touch
on what you guys just said, there's going to be
some regression just of the production what he put up.
Even if there is a little bit of regression, I
still think he will be a top three running back
in this league stat wise, fantasy wise, all of the
above wise, I think he will be top three running back, especially,
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I mean, the best offensive line in the game we
can run behind him. I mean I'm not going to say,
well we'll succeed, but we could do it. But now
a talent like that, somewhat regression, still top five easily
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
And then he's going six or he's going yeah, sixth
overall on ESPN wide receiver c Lamb finished eighth wide
receiver eight last year. Obviously, Dak Prescott missed half of
the season, and you look at the numbers, they definitely
got worse without Dak down stretch two games under eight
and a half points, So not a lot of huge
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explosions outside of Week eight for CD. I guess the
thing I'll say about CD, and I owned CD in
my most important keeper league, and I've had It's not
a dynasty, but your round value only goes up one
every year. So if you get a guy in a
really good spot as a rookie, you can kind of
have him for like a decade. I've had Cede Lamb
since he was a rookie and I've kept him his
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whole career. I think part of the appeal with Ceedee
Lamb as his whole as a first round pick was
the Cowboys just never had a wide receiver too since
since losing Amari Cooper, they've just never replaced that. Here's
George Pickens and George Pickens steps in. Is there an
argument that Ceedee Lamb was only in that elite elite
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wide receiver tier because of the vacuum of targets, and
now that Pickens is there, maybe he shouldn't be this
high or was he always there because of talent more
so than just situation.
Speaker 5 (01:06:14):
I think it's a talent thing. But that's a very
good point. I mean, like, yeah, like there's never been
a you know, apologies to Brandon Cooks, there's never been
a very good wide receiver too alongside of CD Lamb.
And there really hasn't been that much of a receiving back.
I mean, you know with with CD Lamb, I mean
you've always said, you know, capable tight ends, but I mean, like,
there really hasn't been that many other receiving options. Other
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than that's a good point. I haven't thought about that again.
I just think to Cede, Lamb is like just uber talented.
So I don't think it's that. But I don't know
how you think, Nick, But I think that's a very
that's a very good argument to make.
Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
I'll say that I do.
Speaker 3 (01:06:46):
Think the talent is definitely there, but it's gonna help.
It's gonna help when you get what one hundred and
eighty targets a season.
Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
Sure, when I say the talent thing, I more so
mean not in the same tier as like Jamar and
jeff are and not in a different tier than Puka
a Monra neighbors.
Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I think he might be just out of that Jamoor
Jefferson tier. But it's not far man, He's not far
right up like especially with like you said, the targets
that he's gonna get, he still produces with it, you
know what I mean. Like you can get the volume
and not produced, he still produces with it. And now
you bring in George Pickens and drawsome eyes away, maybe
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it's a benefit to him.
Speaker 4 (01:07:27):
It could, It could, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (01:07:28):
You could, but that's a very good argument.
Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
It could definitely work out the other way and work
out positively. A guy that I have right behind Ceedee Lamb,
I have him at I guess eighth overall and at
wide receiver four. You could convince me to bump him
above though, and he's going seventh overall on ESPN adp
Puka Nakua So Puka just unbelievable down the stretch last
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season when he came back. You look at what he
did after he got hurt in week one, had a
he was good in Week eight, and then had a
down Week nine.
Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
This first two weeks back after that, it was eighteen.
Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Point eight, twenty five point three, twenty point seven, seventeen
point three, forty one point eight, seventeen point eight, thirteen
point six, twenty two point nine, Just an absolute machine,
averaging like tennis targets over that stretch. Just I think
Puka very much could arrive as like a top five
pick this year if he takes that step. Now, the
Cups out of the offense, I know Davante is there
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as well now kind of filling in for Cup. But
I guess the question, similar to CD is does Davante
does the signing of Davante kind.
Speaker 4 (01:08:38):
Of hurt Puka for you? Or is it? Well Cup
was there for most of the year anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:08:42):
Yeah, I don't think it hurts it for me, but
he like that's the reason why I can't put him
over ced Lamb.
Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:08:47):
And to your point, you know, you mentioned the stats
he was. He was wide receiver too over the last
eleven weeks of last season, So I mean like, like
he clearly is a you know kid, can you know
put up those twenty point performances each week and he
was score three touchdowns last year, So like there's going
to be you know there's there's going to be again
positive TD regression for for pook and the Coola. The
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guy scores three touchdowns last year, right right, and is
the best and it's the second best wide receiver would
last two thirds of the season, then yes, he could
be a top he could be a top three wide
receiver for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:09:17):
But yeah, DeVante Adams.
Speaker 5 (01:09:18):
I still think there's a pretty sizeable amount of meat
on that DeVante Adams bone. So I think that's the
reason why CD, like, I don't think I can jump
Pooko over over CD at the wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
And a touchdown number, right, I just sway, I kind
of I don't know how I've done all this research,
and I didn't realize he had three touchdowns. But third,
he finished sixth in fantasy points per game as a rookie,
and third and last year that's so good.
Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
He just gets open all the time, and they put
him they they'll do some jet sweeps, they'll do some
reversus like they they get him the ball in any
way that they can. Yeah, so he's gonna he's gonna
produce for you.
Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
And then we get to the guy who will not
be on any fantasy teams that I take number eight
Christian McCaffrey. I have him twenty third overall. I don't
think I have to dive too deep into why.
Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
Yeah no, And that's the thing, like you were saying,
like you know, like top guys to draft and guys
to avoid. Christian McCaffrey, Like I have him ranked where
like you know, ADP wise, I think maybe ninth through
a temple. And I know I'm always the guy stay
true to your board, you know, trust your board, you know,
don't don't jump around on your board. There's no way
if you're on a board at like ten, I can't
draft them. I'm just not gonna do it. Like, I'll
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just drafted, and that's gent. I'll draft to whoever. I
can't do it. I've I've just been burned too many
times by by Christian mccafrey.
Speaker 4 (01:10:29):
I can't do it.
Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Even that forty nine ers team, their schedule is very easy,
which kind of does scare me. But yeah, there, I
don't think they're all that in that West. I think
I really like the rams in that division.
Speaker 4 (01:10:41):
Division. I'm with you, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:10:42):
The only thing I'll set here, I'll pull it up
while while we're here. The only I'm with you, Nick,
I've been fading the forty nine ers all off season,
and I think Shane, Shane Half and I do this
expansion draft project where we protect nine players from every team.
It's four on both sides in the wild card on
either side. And what that does is you really dive
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deep into some of these rosters. You figure out where
where teams have depth certain positions, like oh, if you
lost the guy, you'd be fine here. And I think
what it does is it kind of prepares us for
the season and if there are injuries, it shows you
what teams can kind of handle those injuries, what teams
don't have the depth handle those injuries. And two of
my biggest takeaways were a give me away, like, less
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impressed with the Chiefs roster this year than I ever
have over the last couple of years. And b this
Niners roster ain't the roster that went to the super
Bowl two years ago.
Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
It is way different and it's old.
Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Yeah, And I think them and Commanders are like top
two oldest starting average age, which you know you never
want that, especially when you obviously lose Debo. Who Debo
last year wasn't really all that, but Johan Jennings is
still in that extension you know, talks behind him is
Ricky Piersall haven't seen much.
Speaker 4 (01:11:55):
So here here's what I'll say though.
Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
Yeah, yeah, here's what I'll say though about the San
France schedule.
Speaker 4 (01:12:01):
It's really really easy easy.
Speaker 2 (01:12:03):
Here I'll put up I'm going to count all the
teams on the schedule as I go down the list
that I have finishing under five hundred at Seattle, at
New Orleans versus Arizona home for the Jags, at the Rams,
at the Bucks, at the Falcons or home for the Falcons,
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actually sorry, at the Texans. So that's a target stretch there,
a tough four game stretch at the Giants, home for
the Rams, at the Cardinals, home for the Panthers, at
the Browns, home for the Titans, at the Colts my
home for the Bears, home for the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
I was talking the other night and I really liked
the under ten and a half, and just were you
reading that out? Scares that?
Speaker 4 (01:12:52):
Yeah, about to say, like I'm a I'm a little
bit more bullish onan than now they have the five
games against teams or no, no, no, I'm sorry, I have
the I have the Bears over five hundred.
Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
They have six games against teams that I have finishing
above five hundred, and one of those is the Falcons,
who I don't have making the playoffs, And another one
is the Texans, who I think I only have above
five hundred because they're in that division. Vision that's a
really really easy schedule for Stan Fran.
Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
So if Brandon and you gets healthy, like.
Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Yeah, honestly, do you guys know what's his?
Speaker 4 (01:13:22):
What's I don't think anybody knows he's I don't think
I think I think it's Yeah, they said he might
be ready week one, Okay, they say that about everybody
who was on PUP.
Speaker 2 (01:13:31):
I saw there was Bee writers being there pretty skeptical about.
Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
Yeah, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure. If I had to
put money on that, I don't think he's ready week.
Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
One, I don't think so either. And Jawan Jennings, which
is which.
Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
Is why I was high on Jawan Jennings. Now he
wants money, So who to help? What a what a
mess there?
Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
And at number nine a guy who I am targeting,
a guy who I will be targeting in drafts and
I think will end up with multiple shares of is
Ashton Gent and something I just want to announce right now,
there we go, Ashton Jen Offensive Player of the Year.
You can get it sixty to one on DraftKings right now, all.
Speaker 5 (01:14:04):
Right, Nick McLay, I need to know where because I
don't know. I don't know where to put Ashton Gent.
I mean, I have him in the spot right I
don't know how to feel about him.
Speaker 4 (01:14:12):
I haven't.
Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
Just real quick, I have him sixth overall. You could
easily convince me to make that third.
Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
As now I have. I have him eleven overall. Okay,
he can easily jump in that top five.
Speaker 4 (01:14:25):
So you're running back to ahead of him r Arekon
Jamier Dijon and yeah, that's it. He's RB four. Okay,
he's currently r BE four for me as well.
Speaker 2 (01:14:36):
But I really want to bump him above gifts and
say that's what I mean, like, he do.
Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
Easily get bumped out the top five overall.
Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
So I'm just gonna throw out some numbers.
Speaker 5 (01:14:45):
Fifteen hundred yards, fourteen touchdown, fourteen rushing touchdowns seems about right?
Speaker 4 (01:14:51):
Is that? Is that what you're kind of projecting for him?
So he's R four. I mean like that's probably where
he's going to be.
Speaker 3 (01:14:56):
Okay, I have to how do you think he's going
to fare into the past game?
Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Is right? That's the thing.
Speaker 2 (01:15:02):
So I guess, let me, I wanted to look something. Oh,
keep Vamping says, you think the targets.
Speaker 3 (01:15:08):
Obviously you got a feedbowers, Obviously you got to feed buyers, right,
but genty, you can't just not right give the ball
like he's gonna run some routes. So he's going to
be involved. I say, fifteen hundred yards fourteen what like
four hundred five hundred receiving yards maybe? Is that crazy?
Speaker 4 (01:15:24):
So two thousand total yards, like sixteen touchdowns. That's a
really good rookie season.
Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
So his projections on ESPN as AREB four are about
thirteen a little under thirteen hundred yards, eight touchdowns all right,
sixty two catches four hundred and seventy four yards to
receiving touchdowns. So ten total touchdowns, sixty two catches.
Speaker 4 (01:15:49):
Yeah, I take that shot. So for I don't think
but that's not the best. I mean, I don't think
that's RB four numbers.
Speaker 2 (01:15:54):
Yeah right, But for instance, it might be close because
Josh Jacobs last year finished RB five like, is thirteen
hundred and twenty nine fifteen touchdowns? You only had thirty
six catches, Okay, so it'd be double the amount of
catches for gent.
Speaker 4 (01:16:10):
Yeah, but double the touchdowns. Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Where do you well, because I think it was eight
and then two, so sixteen to ten, so six more touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (01:16:19):
So I think that actually comes pretty close.
Speaker 2 (01:16:23):
So but I do think by the way I'm I'm
not projecting him to do this. I think there's like
eighteen hundred yard upside. Like I think there's a chance
ashion Genty comes out and has the best season in
the NFL this year and wins Offensive Player of the Year. Like,
I think he's that special. I think this version of
Ashton Genty is probably the best version you're going to
get in his career. I especially with running backs, Like
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I feel the same way about a Marion Hampton, Like
I think Maryon Hampton's going to step in and be
like an elite.
Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Running back on day one. I think running.
Speaker 5 (01:16:53):
Backs they figured it out pretty early, yeah, like good
run back figured out pretty yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:16:58):
Right, were do you guys have right after Janet to
where do you have Taylor Jacobs and Henry.
Speaker 5 (01:17:04):
I'm sorry, I'm pullish from Dereck Henry. Derek Henry to
me RB four. I love Derrick Henry like he's my guy.
Speaker 4 (01:17:10):
He's RB five for me.
Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Yeah, he's my guy. Like again, doesn't catch the ball
a lot. It doesn't matter when he run for nineteen
hundred yards, right, doesn't matter when he's run over people
when you have eighteen touchdowns. Like again, I don't care
about the reception. I mean I care, but I don't
because again, he gets that, he gets to work. He's
the RB one who's gonna get eighty five percent of
the carries, you know, not not quarterback carries. So Derrick
Henry for me, are we locked in at RB.
Speaker 2 (01:17:32):
Yeah, Well i'll break down Jacobs and Taylor when we
get to the second round. I have them at fringe
second rounders. Henry is eleventh here, so we can let
I have Henry thirteen. So I am just out of
the first round, but I have him RB five, And
if you took him eleventh or twelfth over or honestly,
if you took him at tenth, I'd be fine with it.
So I'm definitely in on Henry a good bit ahead
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of those other guys.
Speaker 4 (01:17:56):
Let's talk real quick.
Speaker 2 (01:17:58):
Actually, one guy who I think is too low on
ESPN ADP, I have him eighth overall. ESPNA ADP has
some tenth overall, So I guess the only the only
disagreement is that they have I'm trying to figure out
who they have above them that I don't uh.
Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
Running back wise, Let's see McCaffrey is yeah, but I
haven't so B B John here's the ESPN list, B Jehn, Barkley, Gibbs, McCaffrey,
gent Henry h Chan, Taylor Jacobs, and.
Speaker 2 (01:18:25):
Eth ADP had eighth. Shan going thirteenth. Anyway, they had
him tenth, and I have him eighth. A Monra to me,
is right.
Speaker 4 (01:18:32):
With you're talking about all received all guys.
Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Okay, yeah, A Monro's right with Pooka For me, I
have him eighth overall, Pooka seventh overall.
Speaker 4 (01:18:39):
I could flip that any day.
Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Yeah, I have yeah, have them back to back, Yeah, yeah,
Puoco I receiver four, I receiver five, and go either
way with those guys.
Speaker 4 (01:18:47):
Can they both get a ton of target?
Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
Well?
Speaker 5 (01:18:49):
A mon rockets a ton of targets, but he had
you know, twenty twenty three Red Zone catches last year
for a mon rossaying around, I don't think. I don't
think that changes, you know, with the new offense. I
think he's going to be the target. I mean, probably
a little bit more for reporting the red zone this
year than probably a little bit less for I'm Ross
and Brown. But you know, I still think he's their
their main red zone guy. I'm actually wrong. I flipped it.
Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
I have a Manra eight and Puka nine.
Speaker 2 (01:19:10):
I think I'll probably flip that again now because of
the Puka touchdown number that I got swayed by. But
I've flipped that like four times already, a Monrad and Puka.
I've done mox to try to figure out who I
would rather have because to me, I think, Jim, I
want a top seven pick this year.
Speaker 4 (01:19:27):
I'm not usually like that.
Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I want to leave the first round with one of
Jamar Bijon, Gibbs, Barkley, Jefferson, Genty or CD.
Speaker 4 (01:19:36):
That's one.
Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
I think there's a big drop off for me from
that top seven to a Manra, Puka, Neighbors A J.
Speaker 4 (01:19:45):
Bower.
Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Yeah, I was just gonna ask where would you what
do you feel? Neighbors and Nico Collins even.
Speaker 4 (01:19:50):
I'm out on Nico. We'll get to that. I guess
I'm not that out.
Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
I'm seventeenth, but I'm out on Nico as a fringe
first rounder. I am in on Neighbors. I have Neighbors
tenth overall. I was out in Neighbors last year. I
was dead wrong. I think what he did in that
situation is unbelievable. And I wasn't out of him as
a talent.
Speaker 4 (01:20:07):
I was out on him. I was out in the situation.
Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
I just didn't want to invest in the Daniel Jones
offense and what he did with you know, Drew Locke
and Daniel Jones and.
Speaker 4 (01:20:15):
The drek of the NFL.
Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Whatever you think of Russ, whatever you think of Jackson
Dart and the God, please give him Jameis Winston. If
the league Neighbors gets James Winston's wife ver one, Yeah, he.
Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Will.
Speaker 2 (01:20:29):
He will be wide receiver one. He will put up
the best Fantasy season of all time. But with me,
with Russ or with Dart, I think that's such a
market improvement on what he dealt with last year. I
can't really see Neighbors doing worse than he did last year.
Speaker 5 (01:20:42):
Yeah, I don't think so. He's going to get the volume.
I mean, again, are one hundred and seventy targets wide
receiver depending on how you rank a whide receiver eight
as a rookie, better better quarterbacks. You know, there was
I mean get a hundred, one hundred targets you know,
you know this year. So he's going to get the
bulk of the work. They have a better running back
when this year. So yeah, So I think Nick Neighbors
is going to be easily a you know, top six,
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top seven wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
He finished wide receiver six, missing two games. Yeah, Yeah,
Neighbors is unbelievable. I have him at wide receiver six, yeah,
and I have him overall ten. And that is going
to wrap up the first round. Let's go to the
second round. In the way I'll do this is I'm
gonna read the twelve names and we're all gonna do
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one name that we're gonna end up with that in
that round. Sometimes when on our drafts and one name
we're just not going to. So Round two thirteen running
back Devon eh Chan eight chan I always say that wrong.
Fourteen running back Johnathan Taylor fifteen, Wide receiver Nico Collins
sixteen wide receiver AJ Brown seventeen, running back Josh Jacobs eighteen,
wide receiver Brian Thomas Junior nineteen, tight end Brock Bauers twenty,
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running back Bucky Irving twenty one, quarterback Josh Allen twenty two,
quarterback Lamar Jackson twenty three, running back kiro And Williams
twenty four. Wide receivers or Drake London. And I'll start
with the negative. Let's let's talk about guys we're not
going to take in this round. And I'll throw two
names out there, just off the top here, I got
the same two names and Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 5 (01:22:11):
Yeah, yeah, No, it's like I'm not I'm just anti
taking quarterbacks that early. I mean, I know those guys
are fantastic guys, and they're gonna put up disgusting numbers
and you know, beat quarter Tho will probably be quarterback
when a quarterback too, and when the season's over, you know,
barring barring injury. Just again, it goes against my my
ethos that, like, I guess I'm very unless.
Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
I'm pressed to do so. But I think the board
is so deep. Again, we talked about this before last week. Mark,
I think just the bard is just so deep at
a quarterback where you can get a guy later and
later in the draft that I wouldn't spend a top
two round pick.
Speaker 2 (01:22:41):
On and a guy I have Lamar and Allen thirty
and thirty one on my list, and honestly, like, if
it came up to it, in my top twenty nine
were gone, I'm saying, you're not gonna pick him. I
feel like I'm still taking Omrion Hampton.
Speaker 4 (01:22:54):
It's like I try to stay true to my board.
Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
I know I will be I will be at the
end of the third round, and those guys, one of
those guys would be on the board. I'm not gonna
take him. But even though I have him ranked in
the top you know, twenty five or whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
So yeah, but most likely there's always going to be
someone in the top twenty nine and fall is someone
in the third round.
Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
So you have the same names? Did you have the
same names next?
Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
So them two and then a non quarterback, I mean
you only named too, But that Bucky Irving I'm a
little lower on. I think I think he had a
great year. Not knocking him at all, but can you
do it again? Like I think there's somewhat of some
regression there, even a little regression isn't going to be
a terrible season for him. I just don't think he
does that again. I think they kind of feed. Maybe
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we're shot a little more. I know they were trying
to lean it him out, but it's hard to give
that many targets, that many touches to Bucky again, especially
with not to cut you off. Evans, Sorry, Evans and
god I mean we don't know that, but there, you know,
Evans is older, but Hall of Fame, first belt, Godwin,
can you stay on the field. If he can, he's
gonna get targets and mecho Buka. They bring him in
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for a reason, Jalen Millan. You know, he had a
really good you know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (01:24:03):
So they got a lot of.
Speaker 3 (01:24:04):
Mails of feed. So I'm a little lower on Bucky
and for that reason.
Speaker 2 (01:24:07):
And I think you put it perfectly there at the end.
That was what I was chiming in on you, and
you put it perfectly. He had forty seven catches last year.
I don't see the way that that grows, right. They
just added egg Buca. Godwin's coming back. McMillan's still there,
Evan's still there, Aton's still there. Like, I just I
don't see any sort of catch up side for Bucky
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Irving beyond forty seven catches. Not to mention, Rareshawan White
still gets catches.
Speaker 4 (01:24:31):
I have fifty one catches last year.
Speaker 2 (01:24:33):
I think I think that I think the running back
share just decreases overall.
Speaker 4 (01:24:37):
Okay, I just don't think. I just don't think Shot
White just gets that munch work anymore.
Speaker 5 (01:24:42):
I know, like it was clear at the end of
the last season, trying to figure out, I'd said, Bucky
Irving is on the smaller side, right, he's like five ten,
like under two hundred pounds, Like he's not a guy
that you want to run twenty you know, give twenty
five touches to a game, So there's going to be
some shot White in there.
Speaker 4 (01:24:56):
I just don't think there's fifty one catch for shot
White in the mix.
Speaker 2 (01:25:01):
He's not Like I obviously had Josh and Lamar as
my guys.
Speaker 4 (01:25:04):
I'm not taking here.
Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Jonathan Taylor probably falls under this, just because I have
Jonathan Taylor twenty four overall. He's going fourteen overall, Like
Chase Brown ranked well behind Jonathan Taylor. I'd rather Chase Brown,
Devon I guess a Chan's not ranked behind him, but
Bristol Kien Williams both guys who are ranked mostly behind
Jonathan Taylor. I'd rather have both of them than Jonathan Taylor.
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So Jonathan Taylor probably belongs on that list for me.
Let's be positive, let's go to the let's go to
the positive.
Speaker 4 (01:25:30):
Side of things.
Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Two guys that I will definitely be looking at in
these kind of ranges, and the reason I did two
is very specific. Brock Bowers is nineteen. I have brock
Bauers twelve. Overall, I think his value and McBride's value
is just so much higher than every other tight end
on the board. So the only reason that I did
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a second guy for this is because if you take
a running back in the first round, you cannot take
a tight end in the second round.
Speaker 4 (01:25:58):
That's my big take this year.
Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
There are three acceptable ways to start your draft wide receiver,
running back, running back, wide receiver, or wide receiver tight end.
Speaker 4 (01:26:07):
You can go zero R B.
Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I'm not saying I necessarily think wide receiver tight end
is the cleanest strategy.
Speaker 4 (01:26:13):
I think you got to thread some thread.
Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
Some needles, probably, but I don't know if I think
it's possible to go running back tight end and feel
good about your receivers at all.
Speaker 4 (01:26:24):
So I'm looking, I'm looking adp wise at the wide
receiver position. I guess here's what I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
Yeah, to finish my uh, I can't do it because
if I invest enough resources to feel good about receiver
after going running back tight end, then I won't feel
good about running back, which ruins the value of taking
a running back first.
Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Ok.
Speaker 5 (01:26:47):
Yeah, because I want to say that, because you can throw,
I'll throw a hypothetical, you know, Terry McLaurin, Marvin Harrison,
you know, pairing at you.
Speaker 4 (01:26:55):
Which which is which is okay? Which is fine?
Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
Like you might don't love it, but you hate that
running back you get in round five, Like you're like
to your point, so like you can probably get away
with it, but that running back that you're gonna get
in round five is gonna be I don't know, Dava Montgomery, RG.
Speaker 4 (01:27:10):
Harvey, Well you probably won't.
Speaker 5 (01:27:12):
Love like if you I mean, if you have a
Saquon Barkley and RJ. Harvey, Like are you are you
in love with that? Probably not?
Speaker 4 (01:27:18):
You know? So yeah, so I get it. I think
just to you you know, just to go back to
your point, I think you have to go. You gotta
get a wide receiver, a top flight wide receiver in
the first two rounds.
Speaker 2 (01:27:28):
I think you need one of the top ten. I
think I think to win this year in Fantasy, you
need one of Jamar Chase, Justin, Jefferson, CD lamb Amnas,
Saint Brown, Pookinakua Molik, Neighbors A. J. Brown, Brian Thomas Junior,
Drake London, or Nico Collins.
Speaker 5 (01:27:43):
Yeah, that's those are the ten. I think those are
the ten, and I think you need to get one
of those guys.
Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
I agree, and I think there's a massive, a huge
there's a huge, massive drop.
Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
Off from them.
Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
I have Davante and JSN basically tied eleven and twelve.
I know a lot of people will have T. Higgins
almost a part of that ten. I have T Higgins
below the ten eleven. I think that's consensus. I think
he's probably eleventh in consensus.
Speaker 4 (01:28:06):
I'm with Nick.
Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I I have like a T. Higgins hate that. I've
always thought he's overrated.
Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
I don't know if I hate. I just think he
gets really hyped up.
Speaker 4 (01:28:15):
That's my That's what I'm sick.
Speaker 3 (01:28:18):
Believe him like that, right, don't you don't jump him
up to meet those expectations. He's perfect in that role.
Speaker 4 (01:28:24):
Let it be.
Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
And then the other guy, and we talked about this
last week and I've kind of thought about it all week,
kind of the other guy that I keep falling in
love with. The closer we guys to the process, and
I actually think like I was looking at like long
shots for award because Shane and I do this draft
where we draft awards and we have we have to
pick eight guys and we tallied up at the end
of the year how many correct awards we picked. Drake
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London has offensive Player of the Year upside. I think
in a way that I don't think anybody else would
anticipate him having that. But Drake London with Michael Pennox
had thirty one targets in his final two weeks.
Speaker 4 (01:29:00):
He's so un sexy to me. I love Drake London
though he's on my Dynasty team.
Speaker 3 (01:29:05):
So I'm a big stan of Drake London too, Like
you said, with what he's going to draw so many targets,
big body too. Red zone just eats in the red zone.
Throw it up to him. But we were talking about
it earlier. Kyle Pitts. Can he make them?
Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
Were we were done with Kyle Pitts. But no, to
your to your point about Drake London. We talked about
this last week. Forty on the twenty four red zone
targets last year fifth in the NFL, All of Atlanta's
red zone targets, you know, went went to Drake London.
He was targeting on forty his routes with Pennix. Like
the man is in a position to eat.
Speaker 4 (01:29:43):
And what I asked, this is my big thing this year.
What changed? What changed? That's a very good question to ask,
No seriously about everybody, Like what changed? What's different about
this offense?
Speaker 5 (01:29:52):
Yeah, in Atlanta, Drake London, Like for Drake Lendon's case,
like not again unless Kyle Pitts is very you know,
hungry to eat and get another contract.
Speaker 4 (01:30:02):
Really changed.
Speaker 2 (01:30:02):
It's it's still Mooney, it's still pitt Sean, it's still
the same coat.
Speaker 4 (01:30:08):
You got a little you know, a little something with
so Yeah, yeah, if anything, it's what changed.
Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
It's Oh, it's the guy who gave you forty target
share over the last two weeks. Yeah, but I actually
I bumped him above Brian Thomas Junior. He's my wide receiver,
wide receiver eight. Now I have a fifteenth overall. I
think there's a chance he ends up above Trey McBride
on this overall list and gets the fourteenth overall for me.
Speaker 4 (01:30:30):
I'm in love.
Speaker 2 (01:30:31):
I'm in love with Drake London, and I know, I
know Beef will be with me because he's He's riding
all the penick stock he can handle. Right now, let's
get to round three and then we'll take a break here.
Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Round three.
Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Twenty five running back James Cook twenty six, tight end
Trey McBride twenty seven, quarterback Jade and Daniels twenty eight,
Wide receiver t Higgins twenty nine, Wide receiver Lad McConkie thirty,
Wide receiver Tyreek Kill thirty one, quarterback Jalen Hurts thirty two,
Right running back Chase Brown thirty three, running back Joe
Mixon thirty four, Wide receiver DeVante Adams thirty five, wide
receiver Terry McLaurin thirty six, tight end George Kittle. Start
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with negative again, the guy who I can't imagine myself
taking in the third round, and it's again, what changed
Tyreek Kill.
Speaker 4 (01:31:14):
I have Tyreek Kill forty fourth. You could say Johnny
Smith's out there.
Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
I don't think that was what was holding Tyreek Hill
back from having like one explosive play over the entire season.
But I I'm I don't see why Tyreek Kill is
going to have a bounce back that everybody else seems
to expect him to have.
Speaker 4 (01:31:33):
Let's go in because we talked about this last week.
I want to I want to get Nick's take. Nick,
where are you at on Tyreek Hill coming in this year?
Speaker 3 (01:31:38):
I am very just in the middle. I have no
clue what is going to happen with him? Because you
get him the ball and are capable in that system,
he can make some noise, but he nothing happens nothing.
They don't give him the ball, even wad Watle. They
have two great receivers that somehow, I mean, I know,
to it, just slings it, but they don't ever execute,
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don't ever you know, connect. So if they can, the
numbers should be there. We saw what he can do
with obviously in his prime in Kansas City. Can he
put up even just like something similar to.
Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
That, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
I'm a little on the opposite end of him. So
I'm similar to you, but I still think there's some
upside to that offense.
Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
Yeah, he's so you know, so dynamic, so quick, like
he should be opening, like he should be open a lot,
and like the risk injury shouldn't be the reason why
you can't get him in the football right, Like you
can have a bad risk to get open.
Speaker 5 (01:32:29):
Yeah, So so there was something going on there. I'm
a little I'm a little bit more optimistic about about
Tyreek Hill than most. But the guy I'm gonna avoid
it is just James Cook. I mean, I think again, Okay,
the eighteen total touchdowns last year, like that is not
gonna happen this year. Like, I think we need to
kind of like temper expectations as far as what we
can expect from him scoring wise. I think he'll be fine.
I think he'll be a fine running back again.
Speaker 4 (01:32:50):
RB one.
Speaker 5 (01:32:51):
No issue about anybody really cutting into that much. You know,
maybe a little bit Ray Davis and cutting into his share,
but he's going to get a decent amount of work
and a decent amount of touchdowns. It just won't be
the the amount of touchdown to that last year. So
James Cook for Music I avoid avoid.
Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
I'm always gonna say Cook too, just based off like
you said, there's gotta be regression and going into the draft,
I kind of felt they were gonna lean towards like
trading him or at least moving on from him and
moving with Ray Davis and drafting someone. So I felt
like there was a little like they weren't really connected
higher ups front management with James Cook. So I'm a
little less uh, you know, encouraged by that. So I'm
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with that. But on a positive side, I love Chase Brown,
mainly because I have him in Dynasty. So I'm talking
a lot about my Dynasty team, but I love Chase Brown.
Just like you said, there's not much of a handcuff.
I mean, they bring in TODs Brooks, who I actually
kind of loved it when he was at Texas Tech,
but not really much of a handcuff. They're gonna feed
him obviously they did last season, and he's big in
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the past game too. So Chase Brown's someone that I
would look and honestly, I think maybe even end of
second round two, maybe you know, started round three, I
would start looking at Chase Brown.
Speaker 2 (01:34:01):
Guess what you're talking to the number one Chase Brown
guy in the country. Right now, I have Chase Brown
as my running back six this year, I have Chase
Brown eighteenth overall the stat that I've given here, He's
my all in guy. I always have one all in guy,
but it's for every season. It's officially Chase Brown. If
you take out his first three games of last season,
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where Zach Moss was the guy, he only had six
touches per game in those three games. Take those out
and use the last fourteen games. He finished sixth in
fantasy points per game among running back. Zach Taylor has
shown he uses the bell cow. He uses one guy.
Speaker 4 (01:34:38):
Usually.
Speaker 2 (01:34:38):
It was Joe Mixon for a long time, and then
at the end of last year it was Chase Brown.
I don't know why Chase Brown's going to be worse
than he was last season. I thought he would only
got better as the season went on, and you look
at it RB six, RB eleven, RB four RB three
RB nine, RB ten, RB five, RB five, RB thirteen
Like he finished in the top thirteen in running backs five, six, seven,
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eight nine.
Speaker 4 (01:35:03):
Times.
Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
Yeah, I'm using using Royce tool over here, but I
I think this Chase Brown. I don't understand how his
ADP is below James Cook. I don't get how it's
below T Higgins, Lt McConkie, Tyreek Hill, Jayden Dan, any
of the quarterbacks for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:35:25):
Like it's it's shocking to me.
Speaker 2 (01:35:27):
I think Chase Brown is going to be a league
winner here in the second round for teams.
Speaker 4 (01:35:31):
Yeah, he's again you know stock RB one. You know
that you don't again don't have to worry about Zack Moss
or anybody else and taking cares and he's going to
catch the ball a lot out of the backfield, right
like he's going to give you fifty five you know,
probably receptions or so so. Like again just just based
off of just sheer volume, he should be like clearly
should be a top ten running back. I have no
idea why he's being drafted so low. It doesn't really matter.
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He's doesn't how old is he twenty six? Not that old,
I mean like twenty five to twenty six years old.
Speaker 5 (01:35:56):
Like everything says to me that it's a good old,
good running back, a good offense is gonna get a
lot of work. It's like you're gonna put him behind,
you know, like James Cook or whatever.
Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
I don't say it, and he I'm not saying running
more even matters damage because he's such a big part
of the passing game. But if the Bengals are better,
I actually I don't really think they will be. I
actually think they'll kind of be similar to what they
were last year. But a lot of people out there
pegging them just twelve wins right back in the mix
with the Bills and the Ravens, and they're just gonna
be really good again.
Speaker 4 (01:36:23):
There's a chance that happens.
Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
The defense just regresses the average and they you know,
they win eleven twelve games. If that happens, they're gonna
run the football more, right, and that's only gonna help
Chase Brown.
Speaker 4 (01:36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
So like again, so like, given the situations, who's in
a better spot Chase Brown or Jonathan Taylor?
Speaker 2 (01:36:39):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:36:39):
Like? You know?
Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
So, I mean like again, like I to me, he's
already nine again, you can probably talk me up a
little bit on that.
Speaker 4 (01:36:45):
I just think he's in a really good spot to
flourish this year.
Speaker 2 (01:36:48):
And then who did you like out of that tier,
who you see yourself targeting on a round?
Speaker 4 (01:36:53):
Chase Brown? Yeah? Yeah, Chase Brown? Yea are our discussions
about Chase Brown have like swayed me all the way.
I'm all the way in. I'm you're not my all
in guy, but I mean like I'm I'm I will
get a lot of shares a Chase Brown the year way.
It's gonna hurt me in the fantasy in the Fantasy League.
Here at the radio, I know each other, guys.
Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
I do have one question though, Yeah, Breesehall, what do
you guys think on Breeze.
Speaker 4 (01:37:15):
Hall, I'm all in. I'm all in on Blaw, I
am not.
Speaker 3 (01:37:20):
I love Brisall.
Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I have him marb eight, I have him twentieth overall.
He's fortieth on ESPN ADP, so it's probably one of
the biggest gaps I have. Like, once you get to
like Trey Harris, he's ranked like one hundred and forty fourth.
If I have one hundred and fourth, that that thirty gaps.
That thirty spot gap means a lot less than the
twenty spot gap.
Speaker 4 (01:37:37):
From forty to twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
So if you're just taking like from ADP to my rankings,
presol one of the biggest differences in ADP. So, I
just think people of the hate has gone way too far.
I'm in on the post type sleeper year. I think
Justin Fields. I've talked about it plenty. Last week we
talked about RG three and Alfred Morris and plenty of
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mobile quarterbacks I think have propped up worst running backs
than Breese Hall. To have really good seasons behind a
mobile quarterback, defense has to focus on the quarterback, not
just the running back in the rushing attack, because a
two headed monster. I know it was only four point
two yards for carry, but still got two hundred and
nine carries, still had fifty seven catches. Like, I think
(01:38:19):
he's improved a lot as a pass catcher. Justin Field's big,
big checkdown merchant. So I really really like brisall think
he's if you can get him in the third, fourth round.
Speaker 3 (01:38:32):
Yeah, I'm big. I'm big on a bounce back year
from him, especially Iowa State man. I gotta love my Yeah.
Most of the cyclones are on the Jets, Like they
got Will McDonald, they got him, they got had Allen Lozard,
I mean, and I mean then you look at the
Texans they also get the cyclones too. But I love
Brice Hall this year bounce back, especially with the offensive line.
(01:38:52):
They totally revamped that offensive line two twin towers on
the tackles, run it right outside of them. I love it.
Like you said, Justin Field's eyes are going to be
on him in the backfield like he can run. So
I do love Breestfall this year.
Speaker 4 (01:39:06):
And let's let's stop it there.
Speaker 2 (01:39:07):
We got we got plenty more time before we get
to fantasy football season. We'll have our our radio station
draft that we broadcast. We still gotta get t k
O in the on the open mic man. I gotta
get him open mic night. But yeah, we'll be talking
about that plenty as we go forward. We got a
couple of minutes left here, probably a couple three or
four minutes left before we have to.
Speaker 4 (01:39:28):
Cut it off for the day.
Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
I just wanted to talk a couple of win totals
for college football. Nick McLay and and Beef have been
hitting it from all angles, reading all the magazines, doing
everything they can to get ready for college football.
Speaker 4 (01:39:42):
Me and Roy, I think are getting there right again.
I'm not a big college guy. But again, I got
the Phil Steel.
Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yeah, I know, I never I would never support a
man named Phil.
Speaker 4 (01:39:54):
The Bible. Can I just say get this man an editor?
Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Oh god, I don't need to know the twenty twenty
one defensive run the Liberty Flames.
Speaker 4 (01:40:06):
I don't need it. I don't care what your win
projection is.
Speaker 5 (01:40:10):
I don't care what your win projection was for the
twenty nineteen couple House.
Speaker 4 (01:40:13):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (01:40:13):
Oh, there's so much useless information on those sheets.
Speaker 4 (01:40:17):
I can't handle it. Give me a.
Speaker 5 (01:40:20):
You can literally cut the cut fifty percent of the
words out of that magazine. It will be like three
times more in most seriously, because you just can't get
thrown one.
Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, I as well, this is it. I got it
in Big ten Country. I got it when I was
in Nebraska. So that's the only way you're getting who's
the Nebraska quarterback? I don't even know RL. The only
way you're getting Riola on the cover is if you
get that in uh Omaha, Nebraska. But let's just let's
be positive first. Let's talk about it's a couple of
teams were higher on. I'll throw it over to you, Nick,
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give me a team out there that you love.
Speaker 4 (01:40:52):
You love the overall this year.
Speaker 3 (01:40:54):
We and b IF I've been talking about it a lot,
but Utah, I feel like I'm becoming a broken record.
I've damn p Devin Dan Pierre and New Mexico coming
over or offensive coordinator coming over. They also bring over
a wide receiver and running back, so a lot of
you know, same familiar faces in a different locker room,
but still a lot of familiarity. They they I think,
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have one of the best offensive lines in football, two
of the best tackles in football. One could probably be
a top five pick next year in Spencer Fino or Fano,
however you pronounce it. They lost a few guys in
the portal, but not big guys. They had an eighty
year old quarterback last year and Cam Rising, so it's
just a completely revamped Utah team. They're at seven and
a half right now. They went five and seven last year.
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I think a three win jump I think is very
well in the cards for this Utah team.
Speaker 2 (01:41:43):
Speaking of in the cards and over that I really
really like, and maybe my team for this year is
the Louisville Cardinals. While I like Miller Moss, I get
that he probably has better stats than than he should
give in the fact that he was in Lincoln Riley
offense and he got benched for a reason.
Speaker 4 (01:42:03):
Yeah, ya yah.
Speaker 2 (01:42:04):
I think they had much more to do with USC's
team overall success he two times now seventy percent and
some in brief starts in twenty twenty three completion percentage
sixty five percent and twenty four six hundred and eighty
one yards, seven touchdowns, one pick and five starts in
twenty twenty three, twenty six hundred yards, eighteen touchdowns and
nine picks in twenty twenty four. And what I'll what
I want to say. Obviously, Lincoln Riley great offensive coach.
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I love Brom. I think Brom's one of the best,
one of the most underrated coaches in the country. Louisville
wins the ACC how that plus fifty. I think they
go out and they win the ACC. I think it's
or at least I should very much say. I think
it's Louisville Clemson in the a SEC Championship. And I
think Louisville, I think most people look at it as
(01:42:48):
Clemson is a national title contender, way ahead of all
the rest of the a SEC.
Speaker 4 (01:42:52):
I think Louisville and Clemson are Neither of.
Speaker 2 (01:42:54):
Them are national title contenders in my opinion, but I
think they're both right outside of that tier. Like I
think they're like the ninth and tenth best teams in
the country.
Speaker 3 (01:43:02):
I think I'm on on I think I am on
board with Clemson as a national, uh you know, championship winner.
But in the ICC, I do have Clemson. Other than Clemson,
I like Louisville and Georgia Tech. Down the board. I
like Hayes Kings Haynes Kings, Haynes King Sorry, very explosive guy.
I mean we saw him what he could do last
year and talk piggybacking on Louisville. Isaac Brown was one
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of the more you know, electric running backs in the
country and it was only a freshman.
Speaker 2 (01:43:29):
So Jamal Haynes for Georgia Tech as well. Yep, I
love them too. Down the board, I did take Clemson
to win the ACC but if it weren't, you know,
to go chalk.
Speaker 3 (01:43:39):
I love Louisville, love Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4 (01:43:40):
On the board, yeah, I have whatever.
Speaker 3 (01:43:44):
I think their total was seven and a half, eight
and a half, maybe even more than that. Honestly, I
might be making that up.
Speaker 4 (01:43:48):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 3 (01:43:49):
I like the Yonder for the Miami hate Carson Beck
never bought into him, he just looking at him. Hate
him just for he looks like he doesn't like football,
Like he goes out there and just he has there's
no motivation, no nothing, He's just out there playing, fully
talented goat arm. Now the arm is, you know, sergically prepaired.
We know that's going to come back.
Speaker 4 (01:44:09):
That's the thing that scares me.
Speaker 3 (01:44:10):
I'm just way way off of Miami this season.
Speaker 4 (01:44:13):
I'm with you. I have him at eight and four.
Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
I have him not really competing. I have him at
the fourth best team in the ACC. I still have
SMU ahead of them as well, and then I think
they I'll go to one other non SEC TCU over
six and a half. I'm just I'm a Josh Hoover guy.
I think Josh Hoover is one of the best, one
of the best quarterbacks in the country. And I don't
(01:44:37):
think pretty much anybody knows their name, but Josh Hoover
is a guy who I expect to kind of explode
a little bit here this year. I think the defense
is going to be a lot better than it was
last year, and I think this is a bounced back
year for TCU. But Hoover last year four thousand yards,
twenty seven touchdowns, eleven picks in thirteen games. I think
(01:44:58):
he's maybe a he sneaky Heisman contader. Probably not, he's
at TCU, but sneaky.
Speaker 3 (01:45:03):
Yeah, like close to seventy percent completion percentage. Yeah, he
was up there. He could sling it in. I mean
with like you said, the defense, defense is going to
be improved. Love love that TCU team, but I also
love Baylor toot love Like Big twelve. We were talking
about this a week ago. You could literally just pull
teams out of a hat and that could be the
standings of the Big Twelve. That's how wide open I
(01:45:25):
feel like it is, Like it's like Arizona State, Kansas State,
they'll probably be up there, Iowa State. I'm not. I
mean I was State fan. I don't really think they're
going to be up there. They've lost a lot to
one thousand yard receivers. Tough to bring that back, So
I think the Big twelve is just a crab shoot
at this time.
Speaker 4 (01:45:42):
At this point, yeah, definitely definitely agree.
Speaker 2 (01:45:45):
Nine nine returning starters for tc which doesn't sound like
a lot, but I think like, like you're like top
five in the country if you have like a thirteen. Yeah,
it's just crazy different, different day and age. Man it's crazy, crazy,
crazy vain or Bill brought back like Ted was pretty decent.
Speaker 4 (01:46:02):
Yeah, they pretty decent.
Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
I know I have the list here. Arizona State is
at seventeen. They leave the country. Illinois and Clemson are
both at sixteen, and M's at fifteen. Nobody else has
more than fourteen. I alway State fourteen by the way,
so they're they're up there.
Speaker 3 (01:46:17):
Hurt last year.
Speaker 4 (01:46:18):
Then my final four I had six win totals. I
really liked.
Speaker 2 (01:46:21):
My final four are all SEC. I'll run through them
pretty fast. Here, LSU over eight and a half. I'm
on the NUS bus.
Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
I hate Brian.
Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
Kelly with every fiber of my being, but I think
if he's ever going to do it, I think this
is the year. If you're saying, like all the SEC
teams where they have coaches on the hot seat, whether
it's Brian Kelly, whether it's Hugh Freeze, whether it's Florida
Billy Napier, whether it's Venables, whoever, you want to say,
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the one team I'm betting on to get that coach
off the hot seat, just based on talent. Harold Perkins
on defense to it, going back to the position he's
excelled at and with a guy who I'm picking in
the Heisman and nus Meyer, LSU I think is a
national title contender, not just not just an over eight
and a half.
Speaker 3 (01:47:08):
Yeah, I took them to just make the playoffs at
plus one twenty five.
Speaker 4 (01:47:10):
I really like that a lot, really plus money. I
loved it.
Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Schedule is a little tough, but every single team in
the SEC schedule is tough, so you can make that
argument with anyone. But I really do like LSU. Brian
Kelly though. That's the main issue is he is running
the show, but the talent should just overweight. You lose
Will Campbell, that's gonna suck. But they bring in two
great wide receivers for Gus to throw to defense. Like
(01:47:36):
you said you touched on Harold Perkins, He's going to
be a medicine in the backfield. So love that LSU team.
Think they could definitely make the playoffs and plus one
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:47:44):
I haven't looked at the lines for Week one Week one, ye, I.
Speaker 4 (01:47:50):
Love LSU in that game. Love. I don't know what
the line is. I'm really curious.
Speaker 2 (01:47:54):
It's got to be under three either side, right, gotta
be close to a pick him.
Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
It's got to be less than three.
Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
I think, yeah, right, I'd imagine it's closed ish to
a pick. I'm gonna say minus one and a half,
three and a half, three and a half.
Speaker 4 (01:48:08):
What's that total? Fifty six and a half.
Speaker 2 (01:48:10):
I love lsu plus three and a half there, that's
gonna be a massive bet on August thirtieth, on the
first weekend of the year. I cannot cannot wait for
that to watch the first kickoff man and then final three.
I'm gonna go negative. Here go under Auburn under seven
and a half. It's also like plus one fifty. I
don't understand why I'm supposed to just be like, oh yeah, Auburn,
(01:48:31):
They're gonna be fine now.
Speaker 4 (01:48:33):
Like Jackson stinks, he doesn't move the need.
Speaker 2 (01:48:36):
I don't get it at all. They went five and
seven last year. I don't think this team is really
any better. They have this amazing I forget his name,
but they have like a top five receiver receiving prospect
in the country. People think he's gonna be an NFL
stud and I don't think he was very good last year,
but they had bad quarterback play. I don't I don't
really get the Auburn thing. Hugh Freeze needs to Apparently,
(01:48:58):
there's a lot of stuff on the message boards. The
fans are really mad. Apparently he's just NonStop golfing. That
guy won't stop golfing.
Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
Apparently, Hugh Freeze.
Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
But he's on the hot seat man. Like you said,
if he doesn't go over that win total, he'll probably
be gone too.
Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
And then these go hand in hand, Tennessee and ole
Miss under eight and a half. Like people are plugging
these teams. It's like national title contenders.
Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
I don't see it. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (01:49:19):
I like the Tennessee under. I'm a little I'm in
the in between on Ole Miss. We're talking about this
a little before the show. I love Austin Simmons just
as he's got to prove something. Also, so he's like
nineteen twenty years old. He graduated high school two years
early and he's graduating Ole Miss two years old. Well,
which is crazy. But helso to play base people, it's
like a relief pitcher in baseball. But I like that
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Ole Miss team. I don't know if I would lean
a heavy over or under, but Tennessee I will definitely
lean under.
Speaker 2 (01:49:46):
Uh yeah, So that's gonna do it for today's show.
Speaker 4 (01:49:50):
Thank you Roy, Thank you Nick.
Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
A great football grab bag show there, we got plenty
of more football to discuss. About about five weeks left,
we're coming down the home stretch here.
Speaker 4 (01:50:00):
We're gonna make it, folks.
Speaker 2 (01:50:01):
Thanks for everybody for tune in, Thanks to the tough
cover Country Let's right, all right, Thank you boys,