Tough Cover Show: Ace Bailey, NBA Draft Lottery and Offseason, Phillies, and More - 05/17/25

Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard talk #NBADraft Lottery, #Sixers and Ace Bailey, #Thunder-#Nuggets Game 7, #Knicks heading to the ECF to face the #Pacers, and more in Hour 1.


In Hour 2, Luke Arcaini joins Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard to talk all things #Phillies and #MLB.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:13):
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Speaker 3 (00:43):
They Hello, and welcome to the Tough Cover Radio Show.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
I am your host as always, Markenry Jr. You can
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the last couple of weeks I've just been saying my
old Twitter name.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
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And my co host over there on the left on
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Speaker 6 (01:30):
How we do.

Speaker 7 (01:31):
It's a tough day to be a New York Knicks hater.
I won't lie to you, Mark Henry Jr. It wasn't
the best night or viewing experience for me last night, but.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
Overall it's a new day.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
The birds are chirpin, the weather's getting better, so I
can't complain too much.

Speaker 6 (01:43):
Life is good. The sixers have the three pick.

Speaker 5 (01:45):
Man.

Speaker 4 (01:46):
You know, it's funny about the what you said there
that you can't complain too much, Chumbernard.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
I can always compla.

Speaker 4 (01:55):
I can always if there's anything I can budget time for,
if there's anything I can budget energy for in my life,
it's complaining. And we've had a great week, Chambernard, and
I spent time at the lottery party.

Speaker 6 (02:08):
What day was that, I guess, Monday?

Speaker 5 (02:09):
Monday?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah, yeah, all the way back on Monday, the Philadelphia
seventy six ers get the number three pick. We keep
the pick at a sixty four percent chance of keeping it,
thirty six percent chance to lose it.

Speaker 8 (02:21):
And they keep it.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
And not only do they keep it, but they get
all the way up to the number three pick. And
ever since that moment, I have been fighting wars. I
have been in the mud, the mud, in the dirt
on the battlefield. I am behind the cannons, I'm shooting

(02:42):
the bayonets. I'm, you know, gorilla style going through the fort.
I am all over draft Twitter right now, and it's
it's my obsession at this point. I guess there's just
not a lot else going on. We're in the middle
of baseball season. A little bit still away from the
trade deadline, when that'll really start heating up and I'll
really start getting obsessed with that. You know, obviously no

(03:06):
no training camps are in yet, there's no football is
not kicking in the full gear yet colleges and even
kicking into full gear yet we got Bill Belichick and
Jordan Hudson is like the number one story in the
football world. Now is the time where I will just
be pouring one hundred percent of my energy into the Sixers,
into the NFL d in the NFL Draft, into the
NBA Draft, into the third pick. And I went on

(03:28):
the troll broad Dude stream last night for Celtics Knicks
Game six. Wasn't much of a game, Yeah, but we
spent the entire time arguing Ace Bailey, arguing VJ Edgecombe,
talking about Yaxel Lenboord, talking all things why I don't
think Conkin upp Will is worth a top five pick,
let alone a top three pick, and we're gonna get

(03:49):
into all that. I think this first hour is gonna
be pretty much basketball talk. And after that at twelve o'clock,
I don't know if you know the scham Bernard, I'm
forty three, twenty seven and one shh plus thirty three
units over the last eighteen days now, so coming up
on a three week hot stretch.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
I did lose some units last night.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Nick saved me from a really bad night by you know,
not having to sweat that one. But the numbers of
the number has been a really, really successful last eighteen days.
I've got four plays today, one unit to two you
a three and a four unit play.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
So four plays on the diamonds today.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Nothing nothing on the on the ice tonight for Marky pucks,
but four baseball plays.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
We'll get to that.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
And at twelve fifteen, having one of our absolute favorite
guests on the show, having Luke r. Keaney on at
twelve fifteen, so we're gonna talk all things Phillies with him.

Speaker 5 (04:43):
But let's start it off with let's start off with
the draft.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
I you know, we have all these playoff games getting
in the way of what we really want to talk about,
getting in away of the important stuff the off season,
the draft, a free agency of course, who cares about
the playoffs? Playoff game childish? How childish are we going
to be? Even we got player movement, we got guys
determining where they're going to start their careers. That's a
serious stuff. The playoffs, playoffs, let's talk, let's talk NBA Draft,

(05:12):
and let's just kick it off. We'll get to this
exert of stuff. You have to talk about it, though,
Cooper Flag. It's been six days now, five days whatever
it's been since Cooper Flag became a Maverick. Basically, do
you still feel as gross about it as we felt
that night?

Speaker 7 (05:30):
Yeah, kind of, to be honest, like it's insane, and
if I'm Dallas right now, I think it makes it
even more pressing that it's time to move on from
Nico Harrison, that he got the ultimate bailout. With the
cards falling in this direction, You've being gifted a Cooper Flag,
a generational type player, to begin this like acceleration into
this new era, and like he doesn't deserve that. I

(05:51):
feel happy for Mavericks fans because they needed something and
the amount of people that were completely out on that franchise.
But with that being said, I've seen plenty of the
buzz of like I'm still not back in after that,
So I hate that it happened.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
I wish that it wasn't Dallas.

Speaker 7 (06:02):
I also don't think it's a great spot for Cooper overall,
Like playing next to Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving, who's
coming off in acl tear like, it's not ideal I
think for him. So I'm mad that the Mavericks got it.
There's a lot of other teams that I would have
been happier with that being the taste there, But the
bottom line is like, it is what it is at
this point. I also had the taste of wanting the
Sixers to get up to one once we got to

(06:23):
the commercial break there, But I can't complain about the
three pick. I wish it wasn't Dallas, but I'm not
up in arms about it the way I think some
people are.

Speaker 4 (06:30):
Here's what I'll say, And I think the worst part
about it, everybody's gonna look at it and say.

Speaker 5 (06:34):
Oh, he's got Kyrie and ad you play with in
the next couple of years. They can be good right away.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
The worst part about it is we're not gonna get
the Sea Cooper flag get like a young superstar, not
even super star, a young star young second banana. Because
Dallas has their pick next year, they'll theoretically be if
not good, they'll be average, and they'll.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
Be like a mid lottery a mid to late lottery pick, or.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
An early you know, the seven eight seed type team.
But this is a team that doesn't own their own
first from twenty twenty six through I guess next year
is twenty twenty six. From twenty twenty seven through twenty
thirty one, like, that's pretty that's rough. I don't know
how they're supposed to hit on any young talent in
any of those years. It's not even like they own

(07:19):
their swap and they own a worst pick that they'll
get later on. They just don't own a pick in
those years, if I'm reading it correctly. So I don't
really understand how Dallas is going to put anyone next
to him that makes Dallas interesting.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
Defense wins championships. Mark Henry Junior in here, So I
think that's the angle on it. It is kind of funny
that Cooper Flag does I fit that criteria, as he's
obviously a pretty high level defender as well an incredible
rim protector and weak side rim protector in particular, pretty
special instincts in that regard there. But yeah, I think
there was, Like I know, we went through the rankings
last week. There is several teams that I think would
be much better landing spots for him. So I'm disappointing

(07:56):
it shook out the way that it is, but we'll see.
And I think the most the biggest indictment on Nico
Harrison overall is that the second that he got it,
people are legitimately considered does he trade this pick? The
fact that that crossed people's mind tells you all you
need to know about Nico Harrison.

Speaker 5 (08:10):
Yeah, that was crazy. This was his one get out
of jail free card.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
I'm really from the moment it happened that that guy
got lucked out again. And not to be conspiracy mark
or anything like that. I'm not this guy.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
My dad is. You know, I know plenty of people
in my life who are this guy.

Speaker 4 (08:30):
It's pretty hard to ignore that the NBA had a
ratings conversation, whether it was valid or not.

Speaker 5 (08:35):
I don't think it was valid.

Speaker 4 (08:36):
Actually compared it to the MLB, compared to the NHL,
still getting far better national ratings than any sport that's
not the NFL or college football. Football's king. We know that,
so that people compared to football and that way it loses.
But we were talking about the ratings in October November December.
That was during an election year while there was football on. Like,
I think that alone excuse the ratings, but that doesn't

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mean that there wasn't a conversation about ratings. And the
Lakers go and make the trade for Luka Dance and
everybody's wondering, how is as possible is it rigged? Why
would the NBA force the Lakers to get him, and
then the team that traded Lukadancic goes and gets the
number one pick immediately. It's the same thing that happened
with Anthony Davis. Lebron left the Calves, they gave the
Calves a number one pick. There's obviously Lebron went to Ohio.

(09:23):
I'm not a lottery rigged guy. I'm not you know,
a rigged guy in general. And I don't even want
to talk about it beyond that really, but it's just
it's hard to ignore it.

Speaker 6 (09:34):
Definitely is.

Speaker 7 (09:34):
I will say, when you do dive into the logistics
of how I get it, you get it. And I
also will point out here like the amount of media
members bending over backwards to like hammer helme, it's not
rigged is almost like more eye opening to me, Like
everyone chill out a little bit on both sides of this,
But yeah, it is hard to ignore. Just like the
direct one point seven percent chance that the Mavericks had
winning it, there's been a ridiculous amount of just super

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small percentage teams that have ended it jumping up, whether
it's the Cavaliers, whether it's the Bulls, the Mavericks. This year,
there's been a lot of just like unique situations which
statistically should not happen that way. So, I mean, at
the end of the day, if you put a gun
to my head, I don't think it is rigged. I
think it is just happened naturally. But it is tough
to ignore some of this stuff.

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I think some of the gms are the people that
were sitting in that room at if you saw that
video of them reacting, the people at the lot in
the lottery room reacting to the Spurs coming up, or
reacting to.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
The Mavericks coming up.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
I think there might be some people that were in
the room watching it happen that are wondering if it
was rigged.

Speaker 7 (10:33):
To Zach Lowstelling, by the way, not a Zach Low guy.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I think he's like watching paint dry most of the time.
I think he's a better writer than a podcaster, by
the way, way more successful than I I'll ever be,
so I'll throw that out there.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
But fantastic Stuf. I thought that's the best podcast he's ever.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Done in my life. I was captivated the whole time.
I was so interested, like the different lottery balls that
would have bounced them. It was really good stuff. And
I'm a long time Bill and Ryan over this is
such a Trilboa dude, you know, ball conversation and not
a tough cover radio show conversation. But I'm much more
of a Bill and Ryan than Bill and Zach guy.

(11:14):
So it's tough for me to admit that Zach pod
was fantastic. My dad said, don't put my dad's comments
there about series. I shouldn't even have. I shouldn't even
have given it credence.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
But it is it's hard to it's hard to ignore.
It is really really hard to ignore. But that let's
let's move past that. Number two.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
I think we can be brief here, but San Antonio
Spurs get the number two pick. And it's interesting because
you have three guards who probably all like thirty four
ish percent three point shooters, like, it's pretty incredible in
today's NBA that they're if they you know, Jonathan Cavoni
said there, he's one hundred percent sure they're drafting Dylan
Harper or whatever.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
He said.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
You have three guards, really talented guards in today's NBA
in twenty twenty five, who none of them are good
three point. That's interesting, and I mean we'll get to
my thoughts. I have Ace Bailey second on my board.
I do think they should take Ace Bailey. I understand
that Dylan Harper's league wide value has climbed far above
what Ace Bailey's has. So even if you're saying, let's

(12:16):
just take Dylan Harper and we'll figure out the trade later,
which one of the three will trade for a wing
that might fit better with our core, I think they're
probably right that Harper has more value than Ase, So
I think they probably should make that pick. If let's
just say, Sean Bernard, you you're the Spurs GM First
of all, are you making the Harper pick? Second of all,

(12:39):
are you just you know, rolling the balls out there
with all three guards? Are you making a trade? Which
one are you looking to move? Kind of where are
you at with this pick.

Speaker 7 (12:48):
If I'm I'm the San Antonio Speres right now and
I'm making a selection, it would be Dylan Harper for
all the reasons that you mentioned. But I'm giving a
nice phone call up to Milwaukee, man, and I am
really given some thought to pulling the trigger on a Yank.

Speaker 5 (12:59):
I don't like it.

Speaker 7 (13:00):
You don't think a Yannis and Wemby combo is awesome.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Of course, but I think Wemby's so young, so good already.
I don't think there's any need to speed up the
timeline like I think. Try to see if one of
these young guards. I don't think Castle is like a star,
but try to see if Harper is a star, and
see if there is kind of star equity there. And
then you have a twenty one year old or whatever
Wenby is lined up with a nineteen year old or

(13:27):
whatever he is, and I think that's better than like
the honest thing. And I'm actually I've been arguing about
the honest thing with my buddy Pat Moran, who who
we were hanging out with this week. But he he
thinks like nobody should trade for your honest. He's he's
always been anti honest and like he thinks that he's
so entirely based on athleticism that it's going to go fast.

(13:48):
When it does go, I'm actually a little bit long.
I think he probably has more longevity than my buddy's thinking.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
But he is.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Thirty now, Like this is a guy who is relying
on it. Are we saying, is that a five year plan?
Is that a three year plan? Is he staying in
San Antonio? Like I think if I was San Antonio,
I would rather just have the number two pick, and
that's I think it would take more than number two picky.

Speaker 5 (14:13):
I think I'm the number two pick.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
And other I wouldn't trade the number two picks straight
up for your honest if I was just specifically in
San Antonio's situation.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
The thing that I'll make the case for is like
you're true about how long. It's true about how long
the window is and all that. But at the same time,
like Wemby right now is a top twenty NBA player,
Like he's in higher yeah, like he's ready to take
on this chance. And I think if you give him
a guy like Giannis who can make up for some
of like the physicality that he can't combat, and Wemby's
still capable of being a floor spacer. That allows Giannis

(14:41):
the chance to attack the rim there and like, it's
not gonna be perfect, but I think that gives you
a puncher's chance in the West, and I think, like
you're not going to use your entire ammunition to go
get this, you still have some flexibility to go places.
So I think that would launch san Antonio into the
contending category. And I think there's a pretty convincing case
that going that direction puts you in like to pull
tun a contender in a way that making this draft

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pick wouldn't. So I think it's time for san Antonio
to start pushing the chips in a little bit. And
I think that gives them like a clear identity on
the defensive side of things, that gives them like a
little bit of an edge in the West. When looking
at how these teams are all built.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
If I was san Antonio, I wouldn't want to put
the timeline into hyper speaks.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
I think the West is so good right now. Sure
you look at this show.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
The next year is going to be the biggest disparity
we've ever seen conference the Conference, especially if y is
in the West.

Speaker 5 (15:32):
Yeah, it's just I right now.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
If you go look on DraftKings at the NBA champions
and six or fifth in the East in terms of
to win the title. So I think that says a
lot about a team that just won twenty four games.
And I'm high, I actually am. I think higher on
the present for the Sixers than a lot of people
out there. But I do think that that says a lot.
And the West is going to be loaded next year.

(15:55):
If I'm san Antonio, instead of trading for Giannis, I
would before where I did that, I would consider trading
back and trade till like five or six to someone
that's I don't know.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
I'd have to look at the board real quick.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
But if Utah was desperate to try to take a
swing on Harper Washington, I don't think it really makes
sense for Charlotte. Yeah, really, Utah and Washington, I think
those are the two, and maybe you could argue Philly,
but that's one spot I don't think that's worth it.
If I'm san Antonio, I would look to trade back,
draft trade Johnson and pick up picks for the future potentially,

(16:30):
and I'm higher on Harper than Johnson. But the one
thing I'll say is Tredy Johnson. I think Trill doesn't
think he's a situational dependent as I do. I think
some situations he goes to he could flame out of
the league. Yeah, in Charlotte for instance, But if he
goes to san Antonio, his defense doesn't become an issue.
Then if he goes to san Antonio, just go get

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twenty five at night and beat Devin Booker on offense,
because I think you squint and you see that ability
to be that level of player and shot maker on offense,
and let him go by you because Wemby, you'll clean
it up. Like I think Wemby's that good of a defender.
I think he's going to be the best defender in
the NBA by such a wide margin for such a
long time that I think san Antonio should almost just

(17:13):
be entirely focusing around him on getting the best four
shooters or offensive players possible around him, and not even
worrying about defense. Just like and maybe in the future,
if maybe then the defense isn't good enough, then you
make a change and you bring a guy or two
in that swing that way. But if I'm san Antonio,
I am taking the most high percentage offensive swings.

Speaker 5 (17:35):
I can take even con like I'm not a Conkain nipple.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Guy, but you could argue like he's going to be
a good shooter, so I would look.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
To move down if I was them.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
But I also understand just sticking and picking Harper, and
then maybe we talk about this at the deadline where
maybe one of Castle or Fox gets moved, or maybe
even Harper at that point still still could get moved.
But I think they probably should just stick and pick Harper,
even though I so kind of thing they're just billy.
But let's get to Ace, Billy, let's get to the sixers.

(18:04):
I'll let you kick it off, Sean. I'm exhausted. I
spent all night arguing about Ace. I've spent all week
on Twitter arguing about Ace. I think people are being
deranged about this conversation.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
I've never seen anything like it.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
It's the most polarizing NBA Draft prospect, college NBA Draft prospect.
Let's not count international guys that I can remember, and
I think it's silly.

Speaker 7 (18:29):
Yeah, I'll start by saying I am shocked just how
polarizing it is and the lengths that like the gap
and opinions on this dude, It is pretty wild to me,
Like how many people are ready to crown him the
next star versus how many people don't even think he's
an NBA player. It is absurd. The range I mean,
I'll start with this on Ace Belly. I was kind
of at where I think a lot of the skeptics
were at the start of the season, and I will say,

(18:49):
like going and seeing him in person, went up and
saw a Rutgers Penn State game with Ryan Coyle right
here on the Gambler here. It did change the way
I looked at him. And what stood out to me
my biggest takeaway walking away from that game from seeing
him in person, is there's a legitimate level of compete
that this guy possesses, that he.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Has a motor on him.

Speaker 7 (19:06):
And when you do have a six foot seven just
overall frame with a high level shot making ability with
a motor on you, I'm willing to gamble on that
guy ten times out of ten. He's the only guy
in the once we get past the Cooper flag and
Dylan Harper here, He's the only guy that I can
look at that thinks this guy could potentially grow into
the best player on a championship team. I do feel

(19:27):
that way against Ace Bailey, and I also think the
Sixers are a pretty ideal spot for him. I don't
think that there is enough grace given to him on
how bad the situation is in Rutgers, and he kind
of was able to do whatever he wanted. You're not
going to be able to You're not gonna be allowed
to shoot contested two's the way he did in college
to the NBA level, and when you're given like a
specific role, as would be the case on the Sixers,
because they have Tyreez MAXI, they have Dared McCain, they

(19:49):
have Paul George, they have Joel Embiid.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
When they're asking you to do very specific things at the.

Speaker 7 (19:53):
Start and then gradually build and build, I think that's
the direct right pathway for him as a growth pattern there.
And I do leaving everything from his the talent. I
think defensively he has not been given enough credit. So
I am sipping the A school aid. I do think
that would be my call at the third pick there,
And I know you have even more reasons that you
want to throw it on top of that.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Yeah, I don't even know where to start.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
I'm just I have a second overall, I think he's
an excellent, excellent prospect. I don't understand why people are
being so deranged about it.

Speaker 5 (20:23):
I think the.

Speaker 4 (20:24):
People who are saying, oh, you have to watch as Bailey,
you have to watch if you're high on him, you
clearly didn't watch him.

Speaker 5 (20:30):
I promise you.

Speaker 4 (20:31):
None of these nerds on Twitter watched as much Rutgers
basketball as I did during the season and gambled on
as much Rutgers basketball as I did during the season.
But what I would tell you is watching that Rutgers
basketball gave me an education on You know, if I
am looking for insurance in the Piscataway area, I will
certainly be looking through the three through nine on that

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roster at Rutgers and maybe giving one of them a call,
because none of them are going to Europe to play basketball.

Speaker 5 (20:58):
None of them are going to Asia to play basket sketball.

Speaker 4 (21:01):
If you play power five basketball and you start, you're
most likely going to play professional basketball in some way,
shape or form. That's not going to be the case
for anyone but Dylan Harper as Billy on that team.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
That spacing was absolutely brutal.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
For a guy like Ace Billy, and that's why he
had to make so many of those contested two and
I don't understand how people haven't wrapped their head around
to that. But even still, let's take that, even with
him shooting all those contest tuos seventy percent of the season,
you'd say that to a large sample size, more more
than half the years than almost.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
Three quarters of the year.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Ace averaged twenty one to eight for his first twenty
one games on fifty one percent from the field thirty
nine percent shooting. He had one point one steals per
game and one point four blocks per game, while his
team was dramatically, dramatically better defensively and offensively with him
on the court at age eighteen.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
We'll get back to that.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
He finished out this season in his final nine games
shooting twenty two percent from three.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
That's terrible, terrible stretch.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
But nothing else about his game besides that changed in
that nine game stretch. He was actually more efficient from twos,
His steeling block rades were actually higher in that nine
game stretch. That's why that nine game stretch concerns me
zero percent, Because while I'll listen to questions about aces passing,
his lack of ball handling, I have absolutely no doubts.

Speaker 5 (22:23):
Or concerns about the jumper.

Speaker 4 (22:25):
It was great in high school, and it was great
for the first seventy percent of the year while being
a beautiful form and a pure repeatable jumper, as he
showed again at the Combine with one of the best
shooting performances at the Combine. He is much more the
thirty nine percent three point shooter that he was for
the first twenty one games than you see of that
thirty four percent on his final total, because he never

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was a thirty four percent three point shooter. For the
seventy percent of the year, he was a thirty nine
percent three point shooter, and then the final thirty percent
he was a twenty.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Two percent three point shooter.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
So personally and even trill Trill bro Dud is not
I think I've saw offened him on ace. But he's
not an asexual like I am. I He even admits,
let's not talk about the jumper. It's not even worth debating.
We all know how good the jumper is. And so
that's why that twenty two percent for nine game stretch
worries me, not at all, especially once that was to

(23:17):
close out the year on a team that was like
ten to fifteen once their postseason hopes were done and
there was nothing to play for.

Speaker 5 (23:23):
Harper missed two games in that stretch.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Also, now let's get to the what I mentioned about
his team being dramatically better or worse with him on
the floor. His team was minus three points per one
hundred possessions in conference play when he was on the floor.

Speaker 5 (23:35):
That's not good, right.

Speaker 4 (23:36):
You don't want to a player whose team's worse when
he's on the floor, who's losing losing games when he's
on the floor, that's not good. Wrong, Because Rutgers was
minus twenty three points per one hundred possessions when he
was off the floor, with that more stark difference coming defensively,
where his opponents shot thirty point eight percent on jumpers
against him and forty percent at the rim against him,

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as he averaged one and a half blocks per game
at age eighteen at yes six seven and a half
without shoes. And then let's getting back to the situation
As had a game with thirty seven, Ace had a
game with thirty nine. This is not something I've dove into,
to be honest. What I'd like to ask people to do,
go find me all the eighteen year olds who have

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scored thirty seven plus twice in a college basketball season,
especially from the wing position. I'm not talking about Malik
Munk or Tyrese Max, who controlled the ball for the
entirety of their college games at Kentucky. I'm talking about
a guy who played with a lead guard who's going
second overall, who controlled the ball far more than they did.
Go find me an eighteen year old who averaged who

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scored thirty seven and thirty nine in conference play twice
at age eighteen, and not.

Speaker 5 (24:45):
To mention he did both of them on the road.

Speaker 4 (24:47):
Not to mention in the game that he scored thirty
nine with thirty seconds left in the game. His team
was trailing eighty one to sixty nine. At that point.
He had thirty nine points to the rest of the
Rutgers team at thirty points in that game.

Speaker 5 (25:00):
I think I said it.

Speaker 6 (25:01):
All yeah, and I do want to get in.

Speaker 7 (25:02):
We had a couple of comments from mister Crockpot here
and Starters that I think this is the biggest point
here that as a Sixers fan, I'm just thrilled in
Stoke to have options and have this discussion. That is
the biggest takeaway here. He also adds that he is
a team trade down that try do want to touch on,
but let's stick stick with Ace for now, and mister Krackpak,
Mister Krockpot adds, are you confident that Ace Bailey will
be willing to accept a lesser role with the Sixers?

(25:25):
I don't think he'll ever be a one or a two,
and the small chance he does become that guy is
like four to five years away. Agreed on the point
that it's years away from him being like a number
one guy.

Speaker 6 (25:33):
Go ahead.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
The one thing I'll say is I kind of think
will be a one and a half slash two on
a team. And you mentioned he could be the best
player on a title team. I don't know if I'm there.
I don't know because I think you would have to
improve his handle and his I think you'd have to
improve a lot to get to that point.

Speaker 5 (25:49):
But what I will tell you, and.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Everybody's so focused, and I'll answer the question first, I
am confident that Ace will accept a lesser role. Everything
you know, Sean has some good sources about his work ethic.
Jonavanoni really really preached his work ethic and how you know,
as a kid. There's not a lot of people you'd
rather bet on than Ace at this point, and Trill
has some really good sort I'm blowing people's sources here,

(26:12):
but Trill had some good sources as well about him
behind the scenes. And I think you see that work ethic,
you see that motor every time he's playing.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Defense, right.

Speaker 4 (26:21):
I think the defense part of this is what's getting
so lost. This is a guy who reminds me of
like Robert Covington in the way that he tries to
get into the passing leagues. He reminds me of Jayden
McDaniels in the way that at that forward size he
can get to the rim and defend the rim by
the way Robert covingson did have years where your average
like two blocks a game. People sh get that, but
I think there's a lot of ro Co Jaden McDaniels

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to his defense, and that's what's getting lost. Like people
like that absolute unhinged lunatic hoops reference, People like absolutely
morons out there who are putting him thirty second, who
are saying he's a bad guy and are taking that
clip where he said he wants to be one of
the really good players Kevin Durant, Paul George, and jac
I have no problem with that by and saying, oh, this.

Speaker 5 (27:02):
Security doesn't want to except the role. This se kid
who's a loser, and go watch.

Speaker 4 (27:07):
How he competes on defense and tell me that kid
doesn't give a crap, like almost cursed.

Speaker 8 (27:10):
But I I, I.

Speaker 4 (27:13):
This is a guy I want to bet on, and
this is a guy I believe in. And let me
be clear, this is the guy who I don't see
Tatum and I don't see KD.

Speaker 5 (27:21):
I don't see Paul George.

Speaker 4 (27:23):
This is a weird comp I see Jalen Brown. I
think this is Jalen Brown, except two inches taller. He's
six seven and a half without shoes on. Jalen Brown's
like six five and three quarters without shoes on, which
is surprising. I actually thought he was like a legit
six seven, which I guess he is with shoes on.
And so we don't think about it after the combine's
done what they are without shoes on.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
But I do play basketball with shoes on.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
By the way, you're correct that that is correct.

Speaker 4 (27:45):
But I see a ton of Jalen Brown. I mean
Jalen Brown. We're still complaining about the guy's handle. Yeah,
we're still talking about how he's a limited passer, and
I will say if well, I'm gonna pull up Jalen
Brown's stats here real quick on the screen because I
did this last night, and.

Speaker 5 (28:00):
You look at what he's done the last couple of years.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
He has, I mean, he had a twelve assist game
in Game five of that Knick series. He has really
taken strides for the last two to three years in
terms of his passing and even in terms of his
ball handling, even though when they went to that finals
against Golden State, I'd say the number one thing that
costs Boston in that series was Jalen Brown not being
able to handle the ball whatsoever in that series and
really really shrinking. But if you pull up I'm sharing

(28:27):
the screen just for the audio listeners out there. Everybody
go check us out on Twitter, YouTube, on Fox Sports Gambler.
But Jalen Brown's stats, I'm gonna take it back a
couple of years here, we're I might not Let's zoom
in a little year.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
This is great radio, dude, Let's do it.

Speaker 4 (28:47):
In twenty twenty, in twenty nineteen to twenty twenty and
in twenty twenty to twenty one, he averaged about twenty
to twenty four points per game, about six to six
and a half rebounds per game, had a negative turnover
to assist the diferential. In twenty nineteen to twenty twenty,
yet shot in the high thirties on defense at obviously
average twenty to twenty four a game played thirty to

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thirty you know, mid thirty minutes per game on per game.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
And this is the guy who also defends his butt off.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
And Jalen Brown at that point was probably still being
considered a top twenty, top twenty five player in the world.

Speaker 5 (29:23):
So I everybody's focused on Jason Tatum.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
I look the other way. I think these guys have
the same and I'm not if you compare them. But
Jalen Brown, the prospect Ace Bailey was a better, far
better prospect than Jalen Brown was coming out of cal
Jalen Brown shot like twenty five percent from three. He
averaged like thirteen in a game as the only player
on the team. Jalen Brown's college stats are astoundingly bad.
He's an outlier in terms of how he improved, So
you don't want to compare to outliers. I'm not comparing

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him to I'm not comparing him to Brown as a prospect.
I'm comparing him to Brown as an NBA player. And
what I think is upside can be. Yeah, it's funny,
so mister, And by the way, that's not a one
to one comp But mister Crockbo says, I see Brandon Ingram.
I don't Brandon so much of Brandon Ingram's things about him,
like cooking for others, and he can handle and he
can dribble. Ace is a more talented shooter now than

(30:09):
Ace than Ingram.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Ever was.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
Both to both deep too dependent. I think is probably
the comp there.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Well, yeah, I think so many people when they're trying
to make the Ace comp they get caught up on
the mid rangers. But none of those comps I think
are respectful to how good of a three point shooter
Ace can be and was for the first seventy percent
of the year was in high school, was in the
shooting combine here. I like Michael Porter Junior. Michael Porter
Junior has a non functioning vertebrae.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
He would have been one if he had a fully
healthy back.

Speaker 4 (30:42):
If Michael Porter Junior was Ace Bailly on defense, he'd
be really good. Like it's that's it's just not a
good comp because Michael Porter Junior gets played off the
floor because he can't defend. Ace Bailey's going to be
a top ten to fifteen leingue defender in a couple
of years. In my opinion, I think he's that good
of a defender and that good of a chaos creator.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
Even if you want to say, similar to Roco.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
That he's not this lockdown, one on one defender, I
think the chaos he creates and gets in transition with
is worth that. So. And by the way, let me
say to mister Crockbot's other point, I don't know why
I'm calling it, mister Crockbott. He's my friend Dives Dives
and you can follow him on Twitter at mister Crockbott.
You can check him out over the Eagles Pinpole Network
party on broad But and he's done. I'm sure a

(31:26):
million scouting videos on these guys. Nobody is more locked
in on any draft than our guy Dives. But what
I will say is the trade down option. I only
have five guys I want, so if we're gonna trade down,
you have to ensure to me that you're getting one
of and you're not getting Flagger Harper, so you're getting

(31:49):
one of Ace VJ or Malawock. Those are the only
three guys that I would want on the six ers.
If they take any of those three guys.

Speaker 5 (31:57):
At three, I'll be happy.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
Even after saying all this about as I'm hiring them
consensus on VJ and I'm hiring them consensus on Maliwoc,
I would say I like both guys a lot. I
think both have really high ceilings. VJ.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
We talked about it.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
He's got some ant to him. To me, I think
he's got some primal depot to him. Shrill was even
saying as a prospect, a lot of similarities to Donovan Mitchell,
which interesting. Kind of have to try that one on
for size a little bit and watch it a little
bit more. But those are good comparisons. And I do
think the floor because of his athleticism, because of his defense,

(32:32):
is pretty high.

Speaker 5 (32:33):
My concern is he's six 's four.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
If he was six six sixty seven, I think he's
my number two player, even above Ace Bailey.

Speaker 6 (32:40):
Yeah, but he's not.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
He's six', four and if he comes, Here i'm concerned
that his development gets stunted playing around three other, guards
unless he's A Bruce brown type where he can defend
wings on. Defense but at six,' four i don't. See
it i'll get To mister crockpott's last comment in a.
Little while he's the ONLY player i, don't want.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
But we'll get to.

Speaker 4 (33:03):
That, LEADER yeah Vj And mala locke would be the
ONLY guys i would be comfortable trading. DOWN for i
would talk Myself Into trey johnson just because of how
insane the shot. Making is it's just such a messy
FIT and i don't believe in the defense to ever really.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
Get there and apparently there's knee Concerns With.

Speaker 7 (33:22):
Trey johnson it's it's has to do with this like
form valugas form they're, calling it which is pretty prone.
TO injuries, I mean i think sometimes people read a
little bit too much into. That stuff it's more of
kind of an, anticipatory thing not like diving into the.

Speaker 6 (33:34):
Medical stuff but not a. Great sign but THAT isn't
i saw.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
SOMEONE saying i saw Someone Saying travis hunter might have
the same situation.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
Going on also.

Speaker 7 (33:44):
Could be, i'm unfamiliar so, Possibly THERE but I do
i do want to touch on kind of the character
Stuff with ace. REAL quick i do have a buddy
That covers big, ten basketball and All that i've heard
About as bailey is how hard, he works how much,
he cares what a good kid, he Is which i'm
not to put unnecessary smut on. Guy's name not exactly
the same reply when he Asking About dylan, harper, there

(34:04):
like out of the two, Of them i've heard a
lot More of harper comes with a little BIT of
i guess, You Know I'm dylan harper in a Way
That ace. Bailey, doesn't there not that there's any regardless
to him having character concerns or being a bad dude.
Or anything they're that, Extreme THERE but i still think
that was more notable That like ace is, the worker
the dude that. Wants it and the other POINT that
i really wanted to hammer, HOME here i think there's
a real Chance Where ace bailey has never had proper

(34:27):
coaching when you look at his track record and. His
upbringing here sort of the blueprint at this point in
game for these top high school product product type high
school prospects is they go to a prep year and
then they go to a good college and it's one
and done year IN. The nba when you Look, at
ace he spent four years at public school Down, in
georgia which he put up absurd numbers by, the way
like thirty. And eighteen he was. Averaging there then he

(34:48):
did the one Year, at rutgers and then here. WE
are i do think that it's like it's gonna be
a wake up call IN the nba regardless of who he.
Goes TO and i think that there's like most of
the issues in his game are. Entirely fit like it's
just the shot selection stuff is a very easy. Clean
up the handle stuff will get better and everyone improves
as a shooter and all these other levels when you
get TO the. Nba LEVEL so i think a lot

(35:09):
of the concerns, get OVERSTATED and i think he deserves
a little. BIT more, i guess Just, like grace for
his pathway being different, THAN.

Speaker 5 (35:16):
Others i totally agree with With mister.

Speaker 4 (35:19):
Krockpot here i'm more confident in his defense and decision
MAKING that i Am With trey johnson becoming a.

Speaker 5 (35:23):
Plus defender how, About.

Speaker 4 (35:24):
This i'm more Confident in aces defense and decision MAKING
than i Am With trey johnson becoming a below, Average
defender like that's HOW low i am on. THE defense
i think he is going to, a bucket really. Terrible, defender,
yeah pure pure. Bucket getter. HE said i don't like
the CONSTANT between Vj.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
And edwards.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
That's fair it is, a total like one, hundred percent
one hundred percent, file, outcome, like yeah the total.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Top END what.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
I will say is people do kind Of Forget anthony
edwards shot forty percent from the field in college three, right, three,
yeah yeah twenty nine percent, from three seventy seven percent
from the free.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Throw Line what i'd, SAY is i DON'T think VJs ever.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Averaging Thirty what i'm SAYING with Dj, and ant the
comparisons are really on defense With what ant, has Become
because ant was not that defender. In College what ann
has become on defense and what has become. IN transition
i think there's a LOT of vj. To THAT and
i also think that vj's jumper is kind of similar
to The way ant's, jumper LOOKS and I like vj's jumper.

(36:25):
A lot i believe That's why i'm kind of, bought
IN because i think this guy could be a high
thirties three, point shooter and if he's a high thirty three,
point shooter the athleticism and the defense should kind of
take care of. The rest, FOR me i don't this,
is like If, you're charlotte you have to be just
like praying that you GET.

Speaker 5 (36:41):
A Vj.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Edge coom he fits perfectly theoretically With a LaMelo And
A brandon miller if you're ever going to try to make,
this work and he hopefully has a little more fu
attitude and kind of defense to add to that a.
Little bit so If, YOU'RE charlotte I think vj's a
perfect Fit, for CHARLOTTE and i totally that it's probably
not A fair i think That if i'm making like

(37:03):
the one to One comp i'm Saying, prime oladipo probably
it would Be what, i'd say maybe even a little less,
than prime maybe like like those years where he was
not quite at, his prime Maybe the orlando years Before the, indiana.

Speaker 7 (37:15):
Years and he had a stretch where he was A good.
NBA player i think people forget that About Old, depot, great, YEAH.

Speaker 4 (37:20):
Yeah i mean what Was he he had like a
twenty five ish year run there for two or.

Speaker 7 (37:24):
THREE years i think he gets thrown into like almost the,
bus CATEGORY which i don't think is fair.

Speaker 6 (37:28):
To him.

Speaker 7 (37:28):
That's, Crazy YEAH and I mean i had crazy high
hopes for him coming out of college in which he.

Speaker 6 (37:33):
Was, fine, corris, WELL yeah i think he lived up to.

Speaker 5 (37:37):
HIS career i think he lived up to.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
His, Career Yeah edwards georgia highlights when it comes to,
his playmaking WASN'T saying vj is a long way.

Speaker 8 (37:43):
To.

Speaker 4 (37:43):
Go yeah he was in a Situation at georgia where
he was just the, only player so they put the
ball in his hands so MUCH that i think he
had so many opportunities to Create those but obviously we've
seen that he's become an incredible playmaker and all. THAT
stuff dj definitely has a long way to go in
terms of the dribbling and. The playmaking he's not that dribbler.
And playmak it's, for me it's about, the shooting the
transition and. The defense to compare It, to ant and

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maybe he could kind of move along. That Way what
i'd say is like, the wing the freaky athletic wings
Who become kawhi and Who Become jimmy butler and Who Become.

Speaker 5 (38:14):
Jimmy butler's probably not even like a fair person of,
Throwing That.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
Paul george they don't look that way, In College like
kawhi shot like below thirty percent from three in college
and the STARS his, nba career, he'd, Like yeah kawi
showed no creation ability for other people.

Speaker 5 (38:28):
Until later Like what i'd SAY about vj is.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
How a freakish athletic star in the future should look.
At eighteen it Feels like THAT'S how vj feels. To
Me and i'm not saying he's going to be. A
star i'm just saying if he, BECAME one i think
we'd look back on it and, be like how did we?
NOT know i do kind of feel that way, about
him and THE more i look into him kind of
THE higher i GET. On VJ and I have vj
tied Directly With. MALA looc i switch my mind. Every day,

(38:56):
RIGHT now I have vj Four in. Malilak five but
let's take a break on the. Other side we'll come
back and talk about Why The conkanupple confederacy needs to.

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The games let's move on from the draft actually for justin,
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Speaker 5 (39:43):
Conkin upple before we get out of.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
THE draft i do have to Mention the kankanupple Thing
because dodds Did Mention team con and in the Trail
broad dude, group chat there's plenty of people commenting On
The con confederacy and how it needs to, be STOPPED and.

Speaker 5 (39:58):
I Agree conkin upple is a guy who has.

Speaker 4 (40:01):
Been grossly overrated by the casuals and by.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
THE public i mean it's not, even casual it's the,
hurds too.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
By everybody he has been grossly overrated because he played
on the main Stage at duke Next To, cooper flag
next to, excellent players around Next. To MALAWAK and i
think the connective playmaking is really just because he played
next to. Excellent players but he's obviously a really, good
shooter good.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
OFFENSIVE player i think he's.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
EXTREMELY limited i don't see him ever being more than
like a fourth or fifth starter on. A team i
think there's really no star equity or upside. There whatsoever
and the main Reason that i'm even concerned he even
gets to that fourth or fifth starter level is because
we're talking about a guy who's barely six' five. Without
shoes on we're talking about a guy who's going to
be far too slow to guard any, guard that matters

(40:48):
and he's going to be far too, just not long
far far short enough to not guard any legitimate. Wing
that matters maybe he can guard people that are between
like six to six to six and.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
AREN'T that fast.

Speaker 4 (41:04):
I struggle to see how conkinentile fits into any type
of role on DEFENSE.

Speaker 7 (41:09):
In, The nba yeah i'm certainly higher on him, than
You are but i'm definitely not a hammer, the you
know waving the con flag and being. Hyped about that
The thing that i'll say that's like the selling point
about con TO me is i also see no world
where he's not LIKE a legitimate nba at least low
end starter or at worst. Case, ROTATION player like i
think the ceiling, is certainly low but the floor is very.

(41:29):
High With him so i'm IN on conn i think
he's a. VERY smart player i certainly wouldn't touch him
near the third pick or even within. That Top five
and i'm in agreement with you there that there's guys are.
Like MUCH better but i like conkiniple a whole Lot
more than. Mark does there and see a couple of
the comments chiming in here as Far as The edwards,
and edgecomb stuff that is sick like getting A Look,
at JUSTIN edwards and i think like a little bit

(41:51):
lost in. The Translation here the sixers did absolutely hit
a Slam Dunk bringing Justin, edwards IN man and i
get his ceiling. IS not high i was referring To
to mister crockpot's Comment on The edgecomb. And edward's Hit
thing like edward's gonna be right in the same mix
as far as, their YOUTH movement and i don't think that.
Should be overlooked him is in that same category as
like A three and d. Guy to grow keep an

(42:12):
Eye On what justin. Edwards could become.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
It's been WORKING Out, WITH maxi.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
Yeah i Like. Down in dallas.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
I'm skeptical will be more than a rotational.

Speaker 6 (42:21):
Kind of piece that's a slam dunk for, an undrafted
guy Though.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Absolutely absolutely i'm More in On. EDWARDS than Bona i
think bona is a Lot. Faker, THAN edwards Okay i
think edwards IS a. Real, nba player yeah and you.
HE had pedigree i mean.

Speaker 6 (42:34):
He was like he's the, number one recruit he was
the number one.

Speaker 8 (42:36):
In.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
This, Class YEAH yeah so I believe in edwards to
get better and TO be. AN nba guy i will
talk About it then bona. At ANOTHER time but i
think He's. Better than, drummonds so yes that's. That's definitely
true but. Let's move on let's talk about the game
seven that we have tomorrow Night Between the Denver Nuggets And.

(42:58):
OKLAHOMA city thunder i feel like this isn't going to be.
A long conversation i will say it's Concerning that the
thunder are kind of playing with their.

Speaker 5 (43:08):
Food, THIS much.

Speaker 6 (43:09):
Yeah i think.

Speaker 7 (43:10):
THAT'S completely fair i also Think, like the pathways though
it's been a bit of a war Of Attrition with
aaron gordon, now going down that to me is kind
of the nail on The coffin, from denver's perspective that
they've already even limited on how many, guys they have
and when You, only have gordon who's been pretty terrific.
ACROSS the series i don't see a well where they
Can beat, this thunder team which just has guys upon
guys that they. Can throw at you think the home

(43:31):
crowd will matter to an extent because guys will be hungry,
in that building in the atmosphere that. WILL be there
i Do think the thunder clean this up. In seven
here it's been, a, FUN series though i give you
at your. TON of credit i do also wish they
SHOULD put the mvp trophy front and center right on
that scoreboard, for. This game, MAN but yeah i ultimately
do Think that the thunder do take care of business
and new advance.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
In game seven i'm trying to. FIND the stat i
don't know if you saw. IT out. THERE i can't
i can't find. It anywhere, HERE but oh peri, It.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
Is okay see had the best POINT differential in nba,
History this year but are Going to a game seven in.
The second round you have to get to tenth on
the list of best POINT differentials in nba history to
find a team that even lost three games total in
the first, two rounds combined let alone in one round.

(44:19):
Or the other that's a WEIRD stat that i think
TELLS us through kse is not the all time team we,
thought they were just like We found out cleveland.

Speaker 5 (44:27):
Wasn't, EVEN close.

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Yeah i mean we've seen their youth in stretches where like,
to their credit they've mostly bounced back and responded in
all these situations and obviously like they still have everything
to play For in a, game seven here but there's
been moments where the moment has looked too. Large for
them and also for all that we've. Talked about nicolea jokic,
through the years he is That, dude man like there's
been moments where he's absolutely Just put this denver team,

(44:50):
on his back been the absolute engine and. Gotten successful
him they've won three games, in this, SERIES which frankly
i think is far above what anyone could have asked
For IN this so i do give yok a. Ton
of credit you think the moment has looked too Large
for this thunder, team for stretches but these are the
type of playoffs cars that you need to build, up
and experience and that's exactly. What they're doing so this
should be a bit of a, Wake up call but at,
the same time like the opportunity is.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Still right there in.

Speaker 4 (45:11):
FRONT of them i feel like we've seen so many
of these games sevens recently. Turn, into BLOWOUTS yeah and
i kind of feel like that's. What we say WE
get the okac team that we've been waiting for, to
show up and they showed up a. Couple OF times
but i would lay the Eight. WITH ok see i
think it's even moving up and up and Up after.
The gordon news it was. At seven, BEFORE but yeah

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i would. LAY the Points I think oka see takes,
care of business and, if They don't man o man
is THE Is the I larry O'Brien trophy wide open
for the taking from any of the four teams. That,
are remaining well unless You Listen, to sam austrey because
this Just, then the pacers despite being plus one fifteen

(45:54):
in the series, even pretty close have a negative, chance
zero percent actually less than a zero chance To, beat
the knicks who are in their.

Speaker 5 (46:04):
First conference finals.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
They might even Still. Lose the, Cats, who knows yeah THEY.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Actually the nba actually might call it in and say
we Can't have the Pacers because because sam thinks it's
unfair that they've played.

Speaker 5 (46:15):
SOME injured players.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
I think This narrative that indiana got here, because of
Injuries and the knicks earned.

Speaker 5 (46:25):
Their way here and it had nothing to. DO with
injuries i.

Speaker 4 (46:29):
Think it's idiotic garland, Missed Two games evan mobley. Missed
One game donovan mitchell didn't even. Miss A game donovan
mitchell missed a half once they were down eighty five,
points at halftime not eighty five but like thirty. Whatever
It was donovan mitchell got benched for the second half
because he, was banged up and they decided to not

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risk it when they were down by. A MILLION already
so i just don't understand how this Narrative, has broke
outderstanding they play some injury teams last, couple of years
how could you not be impressive Impressed by what indiana
has done in the, last Two rounds Eating milwaukee and
cleveland's launch.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
In five games, in five games both have.

Speaker 4 (47:15):
Been more Impressive than the knicks WIN or then i
When what the Knicks did against, Boston was impressive i'm
not going to take. Away from them first two games
they were down by a million points and they came
back and won, by you know The. Grace of god
and then after that the third. Game they won people
want to do the whole like they won The game before,
Tatum went down there was like three and a, Half
minutes left it was an, eight point game the. Game

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wasn't over they probably. Would HAVE won but i do
think people have lost the plot a little bit. On
that One And then Jason tatum, missed game five which
they lost and, lost not close, by the way did
not Compete with The celtics in game five on The Road,
without jason tatum And then, in.

Speaker 5 (47:54):
Game six obviously they Blew Out.

Speaker 4 (47:56):
The boston celtics, Not To mention chris STAPs looks, like he,
has you know whatever syndrome you want to come up
With for what kristaps looks. Like he has doesn't Look
like a It looks like frankenstein the way he's moving.
AROUND out there i think that's relevant.

Speaker 5 (48:08):
To point, out but, Yeah You know.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
Jason tatum missed a game and the end of a
and the end of, a close game, and you know
their best big man looked like he forgot how to
play basketball because he clearly had something going on that
they decided, to play through which they should have just.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
Benched him through.

Speaker 6 (48:24):
But that was.

Speaker 4 (48:24):
FAIR and square i had nothing to do with Injuries Because,
Go New York, Go New York go.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Sam ostrick Song.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
Yeah Ding bomb So, I'm sorry sam and if he,
Was on here i'm sure he would debate his way.

Speaker 5 (48:37):
Out Of.

Speaker 7 (48:40):
Me and sam will be striking up some sort of
contest or bet or some sort of wager, for THIS
series as i do. LIKE to Do i think i'm
going to run a nice forty eight minute straight as
A Tribute. TO tom phibideo i was unable to find
my way to This Non existent new york bar that Is,
supposedly in philadelphia couldn't find anyone to point. Me toward
it makes me feel a little bit better about The
city of philly that does. Not exist there but to

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bring it Back to. This pacers team the weird thing
about it in Contrast to THE knicks is i think
there's a lot of similarities in regard to the way
they go about things that it is a little bit of.
Team first approach and THE thing that i think both
these teams have as an identity is they just stick
around and give, themselves, a chance man and then they
pounce when the.

Speaker 6 (49:18):
Opportunity is there indiana has done the.

Speaker 7 (49:20):
Exact same thing think about The comebacks against milwaukee that
they produce in that opening Round That Is new york
knicks LIKE and why i think. People are skeptical it's
a lot of like the simplistic, views of basketball which we've,
all fallen into myself included of when you're looking at
who's the best player, in the series nobody's making The Argument.
For tyree haliburton and Even if the pacers are going
to win a, Championship right now i'm not going to

(49:41):
make The case that haliburton is A top ten NBA
player because i don't. Think he is But what the
pacers do have is team oriented ball and are not relying.
On one guy they generate looks through offense and actual
like basketball playing rather than just give the guy an
opportunity to take his man. One on one think they're
much better defensive team than. They've gotten credit they're, electric
in transition get out of the. Super high rate they're

(50:02):
going to be. A tough challenge i think there's going
to be a. Battle this series, this to me is
absolutely a six or. Seven game series but to me it.

Speaker 5 (50:09):
Felt less fluky than what Happened with The.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Knicks and, CELTICS to me i mean even though they
had that, one big comeback they also had A game
in game four that they won by twenty the day
up By.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
Forty, In they're good calves had their whole team.

Speaker 4 (50:22):
On the floor there's also a team that has the
best Record In the eastern conference over the last, fifty
five Games Better, than new York, better than Boston.

Speaker 5 (50:28):
Better than cleveland if.

Speaker 4 (50:29):
You take out the first couple of months of the
year where they didn't have, it figured out and also
not to get back to, the injury thing they are
a team that is less, susceptible to injury less susceptible
to guys. Getting banged up, and the reason not, the
main reason but one of The reasons that.

Speaker 5 (50:46):
Haliburton struggled to. Start the year clearly he's been a
different player.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
For the last.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
Four months now but also.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Another reason that they probably have benefited down the stretch
is because they, have this depth and they have ten
guys and if one guy had, and missing night or
one guy was, off one night or one guy you know,
was banged up they have so many other guys who
can take the baton. AND move forward i was talking
about it last Night On trop Broo Dude's show obi
toppin average like twenty for thirty. Six, This year like

(51:15):
i'm of the Mindset That if obi toppin got like
thirty minutes, PER game somewhere i think he would put
up like seventeen a game and.

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Be like a legitimate good PLAYER. In the nba he's
like their.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
Eighth Best Player aaron ne smith is averaging fourteen point.

Speaker 5 (51:29):
SIX a game i don't think half the world. Knows
his Name. He's, shooting nemore.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Oh, by the way we might Need you in trill
to rehash some. Mather and stuff he's not. A mathering
guy he's. A mathering truth he has had a tough
playoffs And times.

Speaker 7 (51:45):
Here matherin getting ejected for, no reason referee, What the
like i'm so fired.

Speaker 5 (51:50):
Of ABOUT that i'll i Kind of like Topping.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
More than, matherin i'll say if they both got like
Thirtyn top and, TOPPIN'S not great i guess you could,
make THE argument but I just think, topping on offense
it is so FUN to watch tj one of the
five best backup point guards.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
On the planet it they don't have a guy.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
Averaging nineteen game the reason that is because they have
five guys averaging fourteen and a.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Half for more so you say you know they're they're getting.

Speaker 4 (52:17):
Away with injuries it's not their Fault That the cleveland
calves have one guy who could shoot despite winning. Sixty,
FIVE games like. I don't know i'm in Love with.
This indiana team they're my favorite non sixers Team Since.
The LEBRON calves like i am pulling for them IN
a way i haven't pulled for a non sixers team
in the playoffs and a very. Very long time ten

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units plus one point thirty put it. In last night
i'm not even. BETTING any games i just. BET the
series i love it. And go ahead my team's.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
ON the floor.

Speaker 6 (52:48):
I like it.

Speaker 7 (52:48):
I like it and the OTHER thing that i want
to bring up from like a matchup standpoint is if
there is a Criticism Of this, new york offense it's
very very. Matchup Hunt Happy the jalen bronson is going
to call the for the pick, that he wants get
his match and. TAKE a guy i don't think there's
a Guy on this indiana team that he's gonna be
able to hand pick on. A Regular Basis maybe miles, turner,
For stretches there but he's a very, good RIM protector

(53:08):
and i think they'll pull him off the court if that.
Becomes Problematic there pascal, Siakam will Hang aaron n, Asmith Will
hang andrew. Nemhart will hang all these guys are gonna
be competitive at worst. On DEFENSE there and. I get
it brunson is Gonna get his he's not gonna completely.
Shut IT down but I Don't think new york's gonna
play the exact same stylistically that has sort of been
the blueprints at this point for all these reasons that.

Speaker 6 (53:28):
We're talking about.

Speaker 4 (53:30):
Are people ready To Talk about miles turner being the
best big in That series Between. Pacers and caves are
they ready to Talk About how miles Turner's Better than
Evan Mobley and jared allen and play better than both
of them.

Speaker 7 (53:41):
IN that series i came AWAY, from that Seri me
and sam had a little bit of an argument. YESTERDAY
about this i think you one thousand percent Have To
trade jared allen If you're the.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Cats moving forward, I'LL be honest i don't EVEN know
what i think.

Speaker 5 (53:54):
They should.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
Do they're stuck.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
They are. STUCK they're stuck i don't think you can
do the big thing.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Any LONGER now but i also think There's A chance jared,
allen's become underrated and if you put him in a
context out there with, FOUR non, bigs.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
I know like he is.

Speaker 7 (54:09):
A good player that's like the hard part and the Same,
THING like garland i have, my questions, about all right
is it time to maybe break up the backcoorder Than
him and mitchell are a little bit TOO similar Because
i like garland as. A player too these are all,
good basketball players but they gotta they got to. Shake
something up you can't run this exact team back and.
Hope For better donovan mitchell himself said in his press
conference they could go eighty two and zero in the
regular season next year and people still aren't gonna. Take

(54:30):
them seriously and he's. Right about that so they got.
To try, Something, TO ME.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Yeah, I i like i this is blasphemous because it's
the guy they should build.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
AROUND long term.

Speaker 4 (54:40):
I almost think there's An argument that mobley's trade value
is only going to get lower as the, time GETS
on and i don't think there's an upside beyond. What we've,
SEEN really like i think he is what he is,
at THIS point and i think that's a pretty.

Speaker 5 (54:54):
Flawed player and people aren't gonna want. To hear that but.
He's REALLY good but i think he's eighteen and, a
half nine he's not. Really a shooter he.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Took a huge step as a shooter, this Year though
like i've been a pretty anti mobile. Guy this year both,
from just right he TOOK more.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
Than i thought three point two attenphs per game at
thirty seven percent IS more. THAN i thought i thought
it was more like the one or. Two, a game
yes that's. That's a step what did you do?

Speaker 5 (55:16):
In the playoffs from, that perspective though it's.

Speaker 6 (55:18):
A good question hit a couple.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
He, shot great actually from you know, What hand up
i'm wrong and they Should keep having mobile. AND continue
building i do think he's never going to be like
a twenty. A, game guy.

Speaker 7 (55:28):
No, For the record i've been Very like. A mobley
skeptic he changed my mind a little bit. Throughout this.

Speaker 4 (55:33):
Season, that's fair no he was changing. MY mind too
i assigned too much playoff. Blame to Him now that
i'm really, DIVING in here I will say I Do
think miles turner.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Is one of the most underrated.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
Players in basketball i've Always Been a Miles turner guy i've.
BEEN pitching for i Was Pitching the luca MAVs To
Trade for miles.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
TURNER for years I.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Always Thought luca and miles would have been like. A
PERFECT combo if I, WAS the lakers i would. Sell
my soul Oh you get. MILES this offseason i don't
know how you. Make it happen. AUSTIN reeves picks i
don't know if there are, any picks left but anything
you can, do to, Get You know MILES, TURNER to.

Speaker 5 (56:09):
La i think that's the only way to. Save next season.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
It's always been.

Speaker 7 (56:13):
Wild to me he's just been like a perennial, Trade
target guy like he's just been like a.

Speaker 8 (56:17):
Number one All.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
TIME. Above, buddy, I yeah yeah i.

Speaker 7 (56:19):
Think so too and it's never, made, sense because like
he's a guy he falls In Like the brook lopez
archetype of he can shoot threes at a very good
rate and. Protect the rim there is a very few
amount of like human beings on the world that can
execute those skill sets. To That Level so miles turner
is a very important Part of this pacers team. At
this point i'd be surprised they look to MOVE on
from i don't think they should based on the, success

(56:40):
they're having but every team should be itching to get a,
guy like that and they are a few.

Speaker 6 (56:43):
And, FAR between yeah.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I totally, Agree so Yeah i've got pacers plus one
ten or. PLUS one thirty i think it's down to
plus one fifteen PLUS one, twenty I decided and pacer
plus four and A half.

Speaker 5 (56:55):
In game one i'm tempted. To bet it i'm. Not
doing it i'm just letting.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
It Play out maybe i'll join in later, on The
series but i'm just gonna root from a from a
ten thousand feet up standpoint on them to. Win the
series let's run through my picks for the, day real quick.
Only Four picks luke arkaney coming on real soon here.
In ten minutes we're gonna take a break before he
hops on at. One oh five my only day play.

Speaker 5 (57:19):
OF the day i. Have a. Confession hit me i'm
a little bit addicted to Betting. ON the mets i
bet it.

Speaker 6 (57:26):
Could be. Problematic it's gross it's.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
A gross thing they are twenty, eight AND seventeen so
I feel like i've won a lot of money on Betting.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
On The mets but i'll tell you who doesn't Believe.

Speaker 8 (57:37):
In.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
The mets vegas they. Are plus money orioles just. Fired
their manager, by the way we'll talk About that with luke.
In ten MINUTES they they i was just. Talking about
it they're on pace to win like like fifty. Games
this year they won like one. Hundred last year one of,
the most shocking one of the most shocking year to
year Baseball like falloffs, i've ever seen especially without like

(57:59):
they didn't really lose much.

Speaker 7 (58:01):
Like telling you tell me targeting all the Guys in
the phillies bullpen that.

Speaker 6 (58:04):
Weren't good enough.

Speaker 5 (58:07):
Nothing's working Out for the. Oriols right. Now it's shocking
but who doesn't Believe in The.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
Mets is vegas they've played what they're twenty eight and
seventeen and, just looking here they've been underdogs fifteen times
out of forty five or third. Of their games and
this is a team that's supposed to be one, of,
the best, uh you know. TEAMS in baseball i guess
it's partially like. A pitching thing I, don't Think vegas
besides senga even maybe believes in any of their.

Speaker 5 (58:33):
Pitchers as aces so anytime they go against.

Speaker 4 (58:35):
A good, pitcher it's tough But We got griffin kanning
on THE mount WHO i don't i. DON'T believe in
i don't buy he's on, my fantasy TEAM even though
i don't think. He's very good TWO, through six era
he's been fantastic a five. To one RECORD regardless if
i think, he's Very good the Yankees Are doing.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Clark schmidt out out there with a four to SEVEN
to two era with a one.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
TO one Record i think canning is. THE better pitcher
I think the mets are. THE better team i think
they have. THE better lineup i think they have the
better Bullpen. THAN the yankees i don't Understand. WHY the
mets i guess you know they lost the, game LAST
night so. I was wrong i don't Know why the
yankees are just they're gonna be favored this whole weekend
Because tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
The yankees have a.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
Massive PITCHING advantage so i won't Be betting The mets
with Freed.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
Going against peterson But.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
If the, mets lose tonight they're gonna get Swept In.
The SUBWAY series and i think they know that they.
LOST last night i think they're gonna kick it. Into high,
gear win tonight. Save the sweep i'll run through these
other ones fast here seven to fifteen over nine, braised
red socks two kind of gas cans on the mountain
Homes and GI alito good vvp numbers. On both sides
it's only a, two unit play but give me the

(59:36):
over at nine runs there over Eight Runs In mariner's
padres mariners is sneaky in one of the best, offenses
in baseball.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Which is insane they're referring to That As The.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Eddie vedder cup, by the way for, people out there
real rivalry going On with The mariners and padres.

Speaker 5 (59:51):
Weekend blood feud SOME would say i had another. Blood
it is we'll talk About. That with luke that's a.
WHOLE other story i have a way to fix, all
of it, by The Way but a's giants is. The
last bet.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
One unit hunch not even gonna waste time. Talking about it,
nine oh five. One unit play.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Let's take this let's. Take a break on, The.

Speaker 4 (01:00:09):
Other side we're bringing, our Favorite guy our Phil's Plug.
On luke arcane you Can follow On Twitter at arcane
luke coming on up after this talk.

Speaker 5 (01:00:19):
Call radio show after, the break.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Spreads totals and all the prop. That's in Betweens. It's
the gambler.

Speaker 5 (01:00:43):
Welcome back to the talk car radio show Right Here.

Speaker 4 (01:00:47):
On Fox sports the gambler, switching GEARS here although i
will say we might have to Get Into some aze
bailey talk with our next guest who is right, here
with us Stranded, On Aceh.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Island luke arcaney.

Speaker 4 (01:01:01):
You can Follow him on Twitter. At, our caney luke
how Was Feeling?

Speaker 8 (01:01:04):
ABOUT ace, bailey i mean let's not. Make a mistake
let's let's not try and. Do something cute let's let's
not try and. Make a mistake let's let's draft the
athletic Guy and the sixers can actually.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Develop a prospect and We passed. On tatum once we can't. Do,
it again no we can't. Do, IT again no i
just Say He's more Jaaling. Brown the, tatum, but still
well maybe. We'll get it maybe we'll get more into
that towards. The end here But let's talk.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
Phil's last night we got a gift that we don't
get off in Here On the tough.

Speaker 5 (01:01:34):
Cover radio show so often They.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
Lose on friday nights and Make me and sean have
to have a negative conversation or talk, about you know
the boo birds and the sickos and the perverts Who
want the phillies to lose out There that our, phillies
FANS somehow but i can't thank them enough for not.
Blowing that game in the Ninth Inning, WITH daniel robert
i had some fears that we were going to be

(01:01:58):
having a you have a conversation this morning, on the
show but. Not The case jose alvarado regretibly has to
come in and.

Speaker 5 (01:02:07):
Finish It out but. Phil's, gotta win luke what was
your biggest takeaway? FROM last Night.

Speaker 8 (01:02:14):
I think ranger i think it's good, to see, him
you know go go back to back seven. AND new
starts i think. THAT was big i answer out after
the game just like said what he thought of his
night AND really and i the. Same exact thing robbed
that it was only. One bad pitch it was it
was the one bad pitch a three Run home or,
OTHER than that i thought he.

Speaker 5 (01:02:34):
Was really good.

Speaker 8 (01:02:36):
His his off speed was the best looked in his.
First three starts he's he's. FINDING it slowly i think
when you are A guy like ranger in the, last
few years where you continually are EITHER on the i
l on to sort of, start the year or there's
something wrong and you're not starting. A normal season i

(01:02:56):
think it's hard to just jump. RIGHT into things i think,
he's looked really really nice on then out over the.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
Last, two starts sean you want to you want to Follow.
UP on ranger i know. That's your guy he's. A,
pure hooper yeah that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:09):
Is MY guy and i guess on The Back of
aaron nola obviously hitting that ale which you kind of
referenced There with a ranger spending plenty of, time there
himself what sort of the plan for the pitching staff.

Speaker 6 (01:03:19):
As a whole obviously We're getting the.

Speaker 7 (01:03:21):
Mickabel debut tomorrow what are your expectations for that and
what is the plan for the whole pitching.

Speaker 6 (01:03:25):
Staff, Moving forward.

Speaker 8 (01:03:27):
Yeah i'll be down there for. The debut tomorrow i'm
really excited. For that one it's it's cool because that's
a prospect. That was, ONCE you know i wouldn't necessarily
throw work, busts OUT there because i think that's a big,
word for prospects but he was inging towards the bust
thing every year.

Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Of his minor league career.

Speaker 8 (01:03:48):
Continually got worse he went on the development list last
year that to me and to a lot of people
was more of a mental thing than it was. A
physical thing i think his head was just really really
out of. It last, YEAR but yeah i mean he's
he's earned it over his, last eight starts his his
the r's. Under two five he's. EARNED the, spots i

(01:04:09):
mean that's what. It's gonna be it seems like it's
not really gonna. Be any more rob said yesterday that
They already told able that it'll just be one. Start
for now he's going. To start someday he's go right
back down to the minors after that and continue to.

Speaker 5 (01:04:21):
Pitch in the.

Speaker 8 (01:04:21):
Minors for Now obviously with NOL ON. THE i l
i don't think They're gonna rush noel. Off the aisle
but at, the SAME time it, i will say and
and there was a lot yesterday of is this? Even,
an injury. Yes it is it seemed like a pretty.
Weird ancle injury he he tweaked his right ankle doing

(01:04:42):
an agility drill that he does every day. In the
outfield it's just he he'd rolled it the wrong way
or there's something he has something to sleeve on. It
right now but their Biggest, worry with nola and they
started to see This with that wednesday night when he
obviously had probably the worst part, of his career was
he started to overcompensate and he started to feel a

(01:05:03):
little bit, in HIS back, which i, think you know
sort of leaving everything on your upper body and sort
of not trying to put pressure on. His right ankle
he was sort of starting to overcompensate and feel some things,
on the back which they. Don't want that there's never
been a good history with starting pitchers, and back injuries

(01:05:24):
so they want to get him. Out of there they
want to get him a, few WEEKS off but i
think it's a good just opportunity to just sort of get.
HIS mind right i will say my Favorite part about
noel speaking to us yesterday was just how excited He,
was for able a guy that hasn't been on the
eye el since. Twenty and seventeen he, actually found out. Which,

(01:05:45):
is crazy yeah. So he was he was on the
eye out for a week in, twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:05:50):
Twenty one but THAT.

Speaker 8 (01:05:51):
Was for covid HE, actually had covid so it wasn't
like a, physical you know injury in baseball. Kind of. Thing,
twenty seventeen yeah that was the last time he was
OFFICIALLY on the ie all with, a body injury which
is just crazy. To think about but so he was
he was Really, excited FOR abel and i thought that

(01:06:11):
was cool for a guy that's going on the injured
list for the first time. In eight years he was
pretty down in. The dumps yesterday you could tell he just.
Really wasn't himself it was sort of weighing on him.
A little bit he wants to be out, there every
start no matter how. He was pitching but he actually
Found out that abel's debut was going To be on
sunday in our prest, conference with him and like his eyes.

(01:06:31):
Just LIT up so i thought that. Was really cool from, No,
as today yeah it.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
Is Really Cool and nick abel a guy who we really.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Gave, Up ON yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
And I guess what, i'm Saying is should philly fans
be hoping for this guy to come out and show
enough that we feel like he's a part, of the
future or should we be hoping that he comes out
and shows enough that we're dealing him at the deadlines
and taking.

Speaker 5 (01:06:57):
A big move it's more second one. Than the, ONE
for me.

Speaker 8 (01:07:02):
I DON'T expect and. I don't want this, is you
know this is the issue with with big debuts and
and these prospects that you've you've. KNOWN about forever I
worry that phillies fans are expecting able to Go out
on sunday and throw seven shutout innings and if it's
not that it's a, really bad start and that's. Not the, case,
BUT yeah see i think it's a. MIX of both

(01:07:26):
i don't think they're actively trying To, deal WITH gable
like i don't, think they're like please send this guy
out of here. Type OF thing, but i mean if
if they truly do want to go for a reliever
or a bat, at the deadline they're not trading pain
or They're. NOT trading miller i don't Think. THEY'RE trading
crawford i don't think they want to trade it more of.
TIE right now i don't even know if they want,

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to trade it.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Maybe Even.

Speaker 8 (01:07:49):
A ruin, escivar right now there's there's four. OR five
guys i don't think they're very high on. Trading right now,
so you Know if if abel goes out and he
POSTED two five e R, a triple a and he
Goes out on sunday and he shows some things that
maybe some. TEAMS would, LIKE i mean i think that's
the best case Scenario. For THE phillies, but I think like,

(01:08:11):
NOEL said, yesterday i, think you know it's a Cool,
day for abel it's a cool Day. FOR the, phillies
i mean we were talking about this last night during
The most unnecessary ragino lay in the. History of baseball
the last number one or the last first round pitcher

(01:08:32):
draft Pick that the phillies had Debut Was. Actually aaron
nola so it's kind of a full circle. Moment FOR
them and i would say, THE last starter i, would
say prospect because there's been guys that have come up
From From, from lehigh valley but the last STARTING pit
prospect i would say, that's you know Debuted.

Speaker 5 (01:08:51):
For the Phillies Is. Probably spencer howard so.

Speaker 8 (01:08:55):
It's it's been, a while, since you know a true
starter had made their debut as a some sort of
blue chip prospect. Kind of, thing you know these these
guys that come up, for one start but it's really,
been you know two years Ago you had kirkering out.
Of the bullpen you had the stock boom back to
back years. Kind of thing But, since spnfer howard this

(01:09:17):
is really the first starting pitcher that we've seen. Make
HIS debut, because i mean it's gonna. Be exciting tomorrow i'm,
excited for him.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
And not to mention on the other. Side of Things You, Got,
paul schemes yeah that's. Gonna be great we've been robbed
twice At the. Skiing sanchez game now first. In spring Training,
now on sunday.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
You got a chance to watch him. In the, bullpen
oh dude.

Speaker 8 (01:09:37):
It's IT'S ridiculous like i was sitting THERE AND LIKE
i i i actually got out of my seat to
watch this guy throw. A whole pen like it's just
like watching. What he does like he does. Like three
pitches he'll do one drill and then the next drill
he's throwing, a weighted ball and then the next three pitches.

(01:09:59):
He's using it he's he's like he's like whipping. The, talel,
drill like dude watching him throw a. Bullpen is fascinating.
Like he is he's he seems to ME like and
i don't think he's something like big scientific nerd analytics,
kind of thing but when you, watch him pitch that's
like kind of what, it seems like. He's, A freak

(01:10:19):
man i am so excited to watch.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
You pitch tomorrow.

Speaker 6 (01:10:23):
That's that's why.

Speaker 7 (01:10:24):
He thinks THAT like when i think we forget just
how crazy all these professional athletes are from like an athletic,
And skill SET like when i was on the Beat,
for the sixers that was one of the things that
was the coolest to me was just to go watch
warm ups and it Would Literally be andre drummond going
like eighteen for twenty from three and, you just think
like even the worst player in professional sports is so

(01:10:45):
good at that sport they're play that it is.

Speaker 6 (01:10:47):
Really crazy, there it's.

Speaker 8 (01:10:48):
Insane like even like just, like their builds like this
is obviously, my first year like really, down there consistently
but like Dude Watching like christopher sanchez come out. From
the dug that dude, Is so tall like some of
these dudes are just like freak athletes watching like even
Like Guys like jose Ruiz And like alec, Boone come
out like these guys are, just, Like athletes man like,

(01:11:11):
it's it's, insane, But yeah no i'm. EXCITED for able
i it was gonna Be. Awesome for sanchez i'm still
Very excited FOR able, because i, MEAN once again i
think he's he's. He's EARNED it, and i, think you
know this could have been a Spot start for walker

(01:11:31):
and they could have kept the, rotation the same or
they could Have Brought up joe koonel, Or You Know.
Nabel CHRIS mack but i think it speaks a lot
That they're giving able a shot like this wouldn't have happened.
In YEARS past, and i, think you know because. HE'S
earned it, i think rightfully they're sort of getting him

(01:11:51):
A shot on sunday, versus you know one of the best.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
Arms, in baseball yeah it's definitely gonna be fun to.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Watch for SURE and then i guess the next, kind
of thing, if you know We, talked about able We.
Talked about skins Painter Is in lehigh valley now throwing
seventy to. SEVENTY five pitches i think he's supposed to
get up to ninety to. NINETY five pitches i don't
know if it was next start or by the end.
OF the month i forget, What it was but when
or when Can we expect painter kind of what can We.

(01:12:19):
Expect from painter do you think this is he starts
the regular starts the rest of the regular season once,
he gets up and then transitions to the bullpen or
kind of what's The read on?

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
Painter, RIGHT now.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
Yeah i don't know their exact plan for later. IN
the season i think that's very up, in the air,
TO be honest i don't even know if they know
what they want. To do yet they just have a,
lot of starters which is a. Really good thing you
look at a team sort Of, like THE dodgers and
i know we talked about this. The other day mark
they've used like seventeen pitchers already this Year. And The

(01:12:51):
phillies the phillies have used one more than the, minimum
this year which is his help has been on their
Side FOR. The nola il but As far, as painter
yet The whole Throw Wednesday, in lehigh, VALLEY they said
i think five innings or.

Speaker 5 (01:13:11):
NINETY ish pitches.

Speaker 8 (01:13:12):
I don't expect him to go much, higher than ninety
but this is starting to see me like he may
come up a little earlier. THAN we, thought i Know they,
said july ish that's their their whole timeline for the
whole thing they've always put ish. At the end it's
it's just sort of a play it by ear. Kind

(01:13:34):
of thing if, he looks ready he's he's probably gonna.
Come up soon if he seems like he, needs more
time they're gonna leave. Him down there so the whole Third,
Ninety on wednesday i'm not rolling Out. MIDDLE of June
i think july is probably. THE safest bet I. THINK early,
JULY i know i Believe It was jim southberry sort

(01:13:56):
of mentioned the other day that there's a Series early
in july It's on the road that would seem maybe
a bit like could. Be HIS debut and i did
find it interesting what he DID today because i think
Maybe on the road might make a little more sense. For, his,
debut obviously, he's you know this this, big top prospect

(01:14:18):
but he also this team and he needs, to realize,
that you know he's he's he's.

Speaker 5 (01:14:24):
Not the number one.

Speaker 8 (01:14:25):
Guy RIGHT now and i don't think they want him
going into sentence mark in a huge series for his
debut against some big team and going out there and,
being forced, to you know go out there and throw
like seven shot.

Speaker 5 (01:14:37):
OUT OF him i i you're gonna.

Speaker 8 (01:14:39):
Kind of ease him. Into His debut. So i'm listen
They they said july is originally they Were. THINKING later
july i wouldn't be surprised if it. WAS early by
i think we'll probably, throw you know two to. THREE
normal starts i Would say this wednesday's probably his, first you,
know normal start ninety, ninety five, PITCHES but yeah i

(01:15:00):
would expect him to probably throw two, more after that and,
then you know. You never know, if he's ready they're gonna.
Bring him up they're not gonna waste one hundred Pitch
OUTINGS in triple a from. Your top prospect if they
have him on, an innings limit which it seems like
it's going to be around that one hundred and ten
one hundred, AND thirty mark, i would say as far

(01:15:23):
As MAJORS, and triple a they're not gonna waste Those INNINGS.
In triple a so, if he's ready he's he's going.
To come up my guest still right now is sort
of The.

Speaker 7 (01:15:34):
End, of june yeah so you mentioned like the timeline's
still kind of up in the air. At this point
the one part of the messaging that has been clear
is that when he will be coming up he will be.
A starting pitcher now we know the, crowded rotation already
what is, the specific pushback and particularly when you factor
in like when we get, to the playoffs they're obviously
shortening that. Rotation IN general and i kind of think
personally like the best thing for him could be getting

(01:15:56):
a little, bit of ta a little bit of a
taste of playoff action out. Of the bullpen is there
any possibility that he's moved into that type of role
or what is the logic behind making sure he kind
of stays in?

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
His, ROUTINE there yeah i mean there's.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
DEFINITELY a possibility.

Speaker 8 (01:16:10):
I just, honestly ONCE again and i mean they obviously
you have a, long term PLAN but don't i don't
know if they have a plan completely. Set in stone
he's a guy that you know Is Off. Of tommy
john they don't want to throw him out. Of his
routine he's on. An innings limit he's also going to
be a number one two starter In iritation for probade the.
Next TEN years so i don't think they're going to

(01:16:34):
try anything. Stupid With them and i'm not saying the
bullpen is stupid. Because it's not but my only sort
of pushback on the bullpen is it's a. Completely different
routine and if you get a guy Coming off of
john that's used to throwing, every five days, throwing a,
bullpen you know three days after his start and then

(01:16:55):
he sort of toss them from the rotation into a
bullpen like Months After getting tommy john surgery or sort
of Coming Back. FROM tommy john i don't know if
they love the, idea of it but at, the same,
time you know he's got some legal stuff to be
a guy out of the bullpen for. Them a, PLAYOFFS
you know i think his future. IS pretty obvious I

(01:17:18):
think with ranger sort of heading, TO free agency i
think there's a pretty Slimmer chance. That, RANGER'S back unfortunately
i know We, all love ranger, but You know he's
he's a good starter on a team that has four
really solid starters and the number one pitching. Prospect in
baseball he's going to want a lot of Money His,
agent scott forrris and he's not GOING to take I

(01:17:40):
don't expect ranger to take a pay cut for a
non guarantee job. In the rotation so there's going to
be a Team that gives ranger probably a. Lot of,
money you know we don't even get into that sort,
of area, yet but, YEAH you know i think they
have Options.

Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
With with painter he's going to be a.

Speaker 8 (01:17:59):
Starter for that there's not a doubt. In anybody's mind once,
he comes up he's.

Speaker 5 (01:18:04):
Going to, START but, YEAH i mean i think everything's
on the table. For the, PLAYOFFS you know i think in.

Speaker 8 (01:18:11):
A perfect world i Think they want painter, starting this
year sort Of. Going into october, but you know if
you take A, Rotation, Of, Wheeler sanchez lozardo, Ranger looks good.
NOLA comes, BACK i mean i.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
Don't know Where.

Speaker 8 (01:18:30):
YOU throw, painter i mean they could go Back to
the ranger bullpend thing. In THE playoffs but i think
everything's on the, table RIGHT now which i think leads
it a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:18:40):
Open To them trey turner turned it around a bit
last night.

Speaker 4 (01:18:44):
Two for five had a big triple, in the game
but before that was really struggling for.

Speaker 5 (01:18:50):
ABOUT four games i think he had a.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Two for fifteen stretch during the home stand before maybe
even stretching into the beginning. Of Last NIGHT bob lankle
i saw kind of speculate That this was trey once
he got, the three fifteen he kind of felt like
he had that cushion to stay, above three hundred to
try to get the power swinging back a little bit

(01:19:14):
here and try to get, back into, what you know
his normal home run and, slug numbers are which they've. Obviously,
been down obviously you trade some of that, from more, consistent,
you know average Which is what topper wanted and, told
you Guys, he TOLD trey which I, respect FROM topper
but i do think they need a little bit More.
Slug from trey do you think that's a good kind

(01:19:35):
Of take from bob and what was probably?

Speaker 5 (01:19:37):
Going, ON here yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:19:38):
I think, SO you Know i think trey being a
veteran off of a really hot, STREAK knowing, that i
mean he probably felt invincible walking up to the play
for about three weeks with how. HE was, hitting i
mean he had like nine multi hit games in. Like
twelve games he was he was really feeling it. AT
the plate i think that was a good time for

(01:20:00):
him maybe to mess with a few things, and just,
see you know if if sort of meet in, the middle,
thing you know not completely changed the contact swing, that
he had maybe see if he can sort of get
back into the power. A little, bit, BUT yeah NO
I mean i i've said for a while, THAT you
know i, think you know it's it's nice to have

(01:20:20):
The homers from tray because It gives you originally when former,
was leading off, you, had.

Speaker 5 (01:20:26):
One two three four all be hit home, runs for you.

Speaker 8 (01:20:30):
Which WAS big but i think it also speaks Volumes
that over tray's Like Three week hot street that was
the best three week stretch of the season from films,
that you know They weren't if trey's getting a base
and just causing havoc on the bases like he's been and,
and you know even if he's not his Twenty seventeen,
SPEED tray anymore i mean he's.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Still really fast so.

Speaker 8 (01:20:53):
Just being able, to hit singles doubles obviously the, triple
last night and continue to, just you know just. BE
a nuisance i always think that's a good word for
the number two hitter. In the, lineup you, know lead
off you want to, get on base the three four
do you want, to you know like hit balls, of
the gap. Hit home runs the number two hitters job

(01:21:14):
is to just. Be a nuisance just, get on base,
get do yeah. Do do everything just do everything possible,
at the plate just just. Get on BASE and and
i think THE whole three d on base thing is big,
because you know if if YOU'RE getting this mvp type Season,

(01:21:35):
out of forverer and you're really Starting to, get BRYCE
back who i really think is sort of finding the,
swings slowly, again you know having a consistent tray on
base for, those Two Guys, even nick cassianus who's had
a nice, season, so far fiable having that speed on
the base for those three guys. Is really big and
if you're getting the on Base, PERCENTAGE from scott i

(01:21:56):
know he had a bit of a, rough you know week,
or two lately, but you know if You can Put
stott and trey On Base for, harper swarber cast.

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
That's. JUST huge man.

Speaker 4 (01:22:08):
I want To move to bryce here because there's been
a lot To. Talk, about bryce obviously numbers are a.
LITTLE bit down i think people. Are being insane he's
now seven straight, games on base fifteen of the last
seventeen games he's got.

Speaker 5 (01:22:21):
IN the base i think he's got a walk in six,
straight games now.

Speaker 6 (01:22:25):
Fifty Points Higher. Than trey turner. By, the, way yeah
yeah we don't.

Speaker 8 (01:22:30):
Need to go Into That because trey turner's been a
better hitter of The Ship. Than bress harper we don't
think it in, IN that conversation i.

Speaker 6 (01:22:35):
DISAGREE with that i would disagree with.

Speaker 4 (01:22:37):
THAT as Well i think i've gotten to THE point
THAT i think ops is like the end.

Speaker 5 (01:22:42):
All, be, ALL honestly, yeah, i, MEAN yeah Yes i
think bryce has been the better.

Speaker 4 (01:22:50):
Here THIS year but i don't even think they're like
they're just, not similar Hitters especially The, rayahs to bryce
and it's just totally different for at least what This
version of tray is like the last couple Of, years
of tray.

Speaker 5 (01:23:05):
It'd Be, different but bryce how many games are? We
in here seven?

Speaker 4 (01:23:09):
And, forty, four like yeah so he's on pace for
what about twenty homers. AND twenty steals i think we're
we all know that that number is gonna end up
around twenty five. To, thirty probably yeah so he'll pick
up the pace. A little bit but eight hundred ohps
is not, like a problem like and you know this
is now you look at the last couple, eight ninety,

(01:23:31):
eight nine hundred, eight seventy seven, ten forty four nine,
to sixty two, eight EIGHTY two like i think if
you made me guess where that is at the end,
of the year it's probably like, eight seventy, eight eighty,
high eight hundred maybe even gets. To nine hundred and
we're sitting at eight hundred with them only hitting. Two
forty eight he hasn't hit below to eighty five. And
FIVE years so I do think bryce picks it up

(01:23:54):
a little bit. DOWN the stretch i think we're already.
Seeing it here he hasn't picked it up from the.
Power PERSPECTIVE recently but i have No. Concerns about Bryce
sharver and bryce will be the top two hitters, in
THIS lineup and i have no. Concerns about them it's
what comes AFTER that that i think we have to
start talking about and being concerned about in terms of a.

Speaker 5 (01:24:12):
Third power bad?

Speaker 8 (01:24:13):
Is? That, FAIR yeah no, i know you're you know
a little hesitant about that, third you know big money power,
kind OF thing which i think is completely reasonable, Because
you know short hits a lot. Of home runs harper,
hits home, runs you know maybe not as much as

(01:24:33):
he did anymore. IN years past i still think he's
going to have a straight to year where he has
nine home runs, in TWENTY games and i just like
THE five hundred ovp over the. Last, week exactly yeah
like he's going to climb, Out of it he's going.
To find it but it, really is, that you, know
that third, that Third impact because trey has been an

(01:24:56):
impact in the, lineup this year, but you know he's
he's not a thirty thirty. Five homer guy that's.

Speaker 5 (01:25:02):
Just it's not.

Speaker 8 (01:25:03):
What he is that's never. What he's been he's never
been a. Home, Run guy really, but you know what
do you Get, Out of castianus what do you Get,
Out of bow what do you Get?

Speaker 5 (01:25:14):
Out of kepler what do you get OUT?

Speaker 8 (01:25:16):
Of J t who i think has started to turn
it on a little bit over the over the, last you.
Know two weeks he's still having a hard, time against
lefties which is weird because it's always sort of been.
Reversed for him but he's just not seeing lefties. Great
this year but it's really about that third Guy, Other, Than, Schwarber,
arker tray like what what do you get at that?

(01:25:39):
Third true, impact you know if if you get a
twenty five homer season with an eight Hundred Ops, OR
nick castianus i think. That's good, enough you know if
if If you get bob up to a two to
eighty average with a seven ninety ops and eighty RBI's,
FIFTEEN home runs i think you can get. Away with that,
but it's, just you know what do you get from,

(01:26:01):
those guys later because you know right now what they're
nine games over five hundred. Something like that and you
had the Worst start. About boom's Career You had bryce
harper who, was pretty, bad you know in The month
of april HE was a i mean he was, his,
his stats look looks are. Getting better now he was

(01:26:22):
a Bad, hitter in april he was. A bad hitter
bom had.

Speaker 5 (01:26:26):
The worst start. To his career marsh was one for.

Speaker 8 (01:26:28):
His first, Thirty you know trey didn't get into, that
trade mode you know until probably about like two weeks.

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
Into The season real.

Speaker 8 (01:26:35):
Mutah was abysmal cassianus was really the only one and
him in Probably Early season max kepler were probably the
two guys that were really hitting them all. Well for you,
so you know now That you're, getting bryce back you
Continue to have Schwarberg doing Thing, trey's contact, like you
know what do you get out of The DEATH part
BECAUSE i think i think five through seven in this

(01:26:57):
lineup is just as important to.

Speaker 5 (01:26:59):
Share, as one yeah and that's Kind of. WHERE i'm
CONCERNED i just i don't know who that third. Guy
can be.

Speaker 4 (01:27:07):
Casianos, is putting, up you know similar ops to what he,
had last year but it's only got four, homers right
now but even less homer a less home run pace than.
He usually has someone who's really really picked it up.
AS of lately i want to get the proper kind
of stretch of TIME, here for jt who's up to seven. To,

(01:27:29):
twenty ops here seven sixty ops over the last. TWENTY
five games i think you could even if you made
that a, SHORTER sample size i think. It'd be higher
if the last seventeen games it's an, eight hundred ops
that's what WE. Want from jt like if he's around a,

(01:27:50):
high seven hundred it's low. Eight hundreds ops with what
he's giving you, behind the plate we're talking about a
guy we need to bring.

Speaker 5 (01:27:56):
Back next year is that where you're kind OF?

Speaker 8 (01:27:58):
At?

Speaker 5 (01:27:59):
WITH jt.

Speaker 8 (01:28:00):
Yeah i am and you know his ops a month
ago was like, six o three so it's it's been a,
good you know last THREEISH, weeks FOR jt and i
think going, into this, year it, was, you know obviously
and it doesn't MATTER what j t. Does this year
it Doesn't matter what ranger, does this year subs won

(01:28:23):
a nobody's close to him on the ranks of who they.
NEED to resign i think that's, Obvious To Everybody but
i'm i'm continuing to slowly work myself back, into YOU
know what jta means to the clubhouse and to the
pitchers and to this team over the last you know.

Speaker 5 (01:28:43):
WHAT six YEARS.

Speaker 8 (01:28:47):
I think jt IS a guy i think they have
to find a way to to sort. Of bring back
it doesn't need to be, A crazy number it shouldn't be.
A CRAZY number but I also think jt just just
screams like a guy to me that will take less money.
To stay here he just seems like he's he's Really,
Close With, bryce trey nola. ALL those, guys i mean

(01:29:10):
has basically raised his family here over the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:13):
Last seven years but that's, a guy, that you know.

Speaker 8 (01:29:19):
Sort of the traditional position with the catcher has, has always,
been you know when and then ninthhole, was the pitcher
it would it would be even the, catcher, the pitcher
right and if if there's a possible way that you
can go into twenty TWENTY six with jt hit and eighth,
in your, lineup you know a nine in that area

(01:29:40):
if they continue to make upgrades this. COMING off season
i think he's too valuable in every other aspect of
the game to not. Bring him back then it would
be just to selling because he's a catcher with A,
seven HUNDRED ops which i believe for catchers is almost.
Above league, average.

Speaker 5 (01:29:59):
You know it's not a.

Speaker 8 (01:30:01):
Deep catching system we have one good catcher and he.
Can't even vote so it's. It's top like it's not
like we Had like an adlee Rotchman like the orioles
did two years ago that was just ready to come
up after being like a top five pick and just
be ready to be the catcher for the. Next ten
years that's not the Situation that the phillies are in

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and going in the. NEXT off SEASON i don't I
don't think i can name the catchers that are free
agents on one hand next offseason that ARE. Better than
jt and the overall aspect.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Of THE game if i ask you To Guess what
alec boom's doing over the last, twenty five games what
do you what do you?

Speaker 5 (01:30:41):
Think you slacking, probably.

Speaker 8 (01:30:44):
Three ten, three seventy, three eighty five, three, forty one.

Speaker 5 (01:30:56):
Yeah two, for, eighty two.

Speaker 8 (01:31:02):
Wow eighty, Eight he's, ben he's fine.

Speaker 5 (01:31:07):
He's finding it and then that.

Speaker 8 (01:31:09):
WAS another guy i mean that was. THE biggest, ONE
i mean i think we all Know the whole, marsh
you know, one for, thirty you Know hitless.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
And April thing but alcahum is so much more important
to Your Lineup. Than, brandon marsha's like it's not in close.

Speaker 4 (01:31:24):
Even if you want, to extend it if you want
to extend it to, twenty seven games we're talking about
three thirty THREE eighty five obp four sixty four slugging
and eight. Forty nine ops that's how bad he was.

Speaker 8 (01:31:39):
For the first what. IS it's been i mean he's hitting,
three sixty four, four thirty one five forty five with
a nine to seventy Seven. Ops in may so, he's,
Finding it man and LIKE that's why i also think
you're slowly starting to see him move up in the lineup.
A bit, MORE you know I think ideally BOOM hits

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before jt, in this lineup, and you know if you
get the boom you, have Last year ideally bom hits
before castus, in this lineup if if you have the
first three months of Twenty, twenty FOUR boe, because i
mean that was the starting third Basement In The. All
STAR game and i don't Like To use all star
games as a metric because there's a lot of guys

(01:32:21):
that shouldn't Be In The all star game that Are
In The. All Star Game but alec bohm being the
starting third Basement In the national League For The, all,
star game like. That's not, NOTHING and dude i heard
them say that, the OTHER day, and i like forgot
for a Little Bit that alec bowm is in The
home run derby after a month and a half of
no Home Runs.

Speaker 5 (01:32:40):
For, alec, bom yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:32:41):
Yeah that's funny but if if you Can, GET that, boone,
i mean listen if it's it's just the, matter once
again it falls on. The THIRD guy and i don't
like it's hard for Me to put trey in there
because if they're accepting the role that they want out of,
trade this year he's he's that contact hitting. Number two,

(01:33:03):
hitter you know it's it's it's Not In that bryce
schwarber tier because that's not what he's being. Asked to
do he's being asked to get on base.

Speaker 5 (01:33:11):
And score runs but who is?

Speaker 8 (01:33:14):
That third guy Because if it's bow hitting nine TO
seventy seven ops over, the last month then that is,
that is good especially pairing that On with a bryce
coming BACK and an mvp Like.

Speaker 4 (01:33:26):
Season From schorman if i'm going to bring up, ALL
that positivity i do have to bring up, one negative
thing and it's A guy who i. Was in on
it's a guy who had, BEEN really good i think
for the for the first month or so over his last.

Speaker 5 (01:33:39):
Forty, plate appearances yeah. It's Been rough max kepler. Has,
three hits yeah. It's been. Rough heir five.

Speaker 6 (01:33:47):
He looked like he looked like he was finding it for.
A stretch too and then we're back.

Speaker 5 (01:33:50):
Off, the clift yeah he's.

Speaker 4 (01:33:52):
In a rock he hit definite over eighty six in
his last eleven games with a TWO eighty nine Ops
and with boom coming around the way he has even
with marsh has had some moments since he's been back.

Speaker 6 (01:34:05):
At.

Speaker 8 (01:34:05):
The, Plate ross.

Speaker 4 (01:34:08):
Yeah rojas is OBVIOUSLY filled in i think admirably with what,
we we want what we. NEED from him i think
it's becoming more and more clear that the spot that
they need to upgrade his left field it's gonna have
To be.

Speaker 5 (01:34:20):
The, kepler, Spot.

Speaker 8 (01:34:21):
Yeah yeah i'm i'm not, insanely against. IT YOU know
i i think if if that's A spot where i think,
you can upgrade where you go get a guy that
you know is, a good hitter but you know specifically
hits hits left handed. Pitching, really WELL ideally, and i,
mean you know this offseason the ideal move was a

(01:34:43):
right handed bat that, hits for power and they got
a left handed bat that hits for.

Speaker 5 (01:34:51):
Sort, of power YEAH SO was i.

Speaker 8 (01:34:54):
I liked the Player. IN in kepler i didn't really think.
It fit, GREAT and listen i don't think he's going
to finish the season with a, Two twenty, average but,
it's you know if you're going to upgrade, at some
point it's it's going to be, that you know, left

(01:35:15):
field spot, because you know if if you can get
and you know there's THERE'S not a i don't have
a ton of names off the top. OF my head
i don't want anything he.

Speaker 5 (01:35:25):
SOUNDS on there.

Speaker 8 (01:35:28):
I think that was the Lightning in a bottle a
Few seasons for orioles actually went to a place where
he had to be the face of a team and
everyone realizes he's.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
NOT that, good.

Speaker 8 (01:35:38):
I mean all my problems would be, solved, if if
If if a rooker could just, play the outfield every
everyone's problems, would be solved because that would be. The
most ideal Speaking, of the orioles did you see that
right before we came back to breaking the actually asked
you about it earlier. Fifty SOMETHING games now i don't

(01:35:58):
believe and that is that is a that is a
management problem before it's. A coach problem that that that's the,
team that Lost That lost anthony Santon there and burns
and didn't do. Anything after, that they signed like i've,
they signed O'Neill who who is one of the worst
hitters in. BASEBALL this YEAR i think, i.

Speaker 5 (01:36:20):
Wanted Him WANTED to actually i was definitely not out
on him at all for. The phillis nothing. I'll take it,
there you go. There you go what's The?

Speaker 8 (01:36:33):
Price, on gunner yeah but, it's it's yeah that's a
massive problem before. A coach problem, but you know if
if you're A Team With Garner. Henderson atlee, rochman you
know all these these guys and all these prospects, in
the future then you got to start making some sort
of move because that's not a team that should have

(01:36:54):
the fifth worst. Record in baseball they have the. Worst
they have they have THE worst comedy R In, the
america league and they're not that much Farther, behind the
rockies which is a little bit. Concerning FOR them but
i mean their issue going in THE season was i
said it Back, in like february they. Had no pitching
they barely had. Pitching last year they went into This

(01:37:16):
Season lost corbyn burns and didn't. Get anything else they
like their, Number Two stars kyle gibson with like an
eleven To FIVE yarn like i Was looking. At Splits
today kyle gibson has an eleven six four yard shit like,
it's really bad and it didn't seem like it was
going to.

Speaker 5 (01:37:34):
GET any better i never thought.

Speaker 8 (01:37:38):
That he could manager in. The First, PLACE brandon hyde
i thought he was just a guy that was sort
of getting carried by a. Few YOUNG stars but i
mean this was the time to, make THE move because
I mean. It's may seventeenth you were predicted to Potentially
Win The, american league east and you have the second
worst Record In. THE american league i think it's really

(01:38:00):
bad in a in a fairly. Winnable, Division TOO yeah
like I think the yankees are REALLY good AND i
and i was a lot Higher On the red sox
in the. Arm, right Now Granted the red sox. Just
can't pitch they. Have noble pen their, lineup is good their.
Starters are good they just. Blow every game so but
that that's not, Some throwaway division like that's A division

(01:38:22):
the orioles were able to win if they actually cared
and let their owner put some money. Into THE team,
but i mean. Here we are they fired the manager
of forty games in the season after getting shut. Out
Last year.

Speaker 4 (01:38:36):
THE kepler thing i just want to SAY here because
i dove in only a SEVEN to ten ops. Against,
the righties like if you're going to be a, strictly
platoon bat who's here? TO hit righties i need better
than SEVEN to ten ops when you're hitting LIKE five hundred.

Speaker 5 (01:38:49):
Ops, against lefties like he's just not good enough at
what we brought him. Here TO do, AND i liked i.
LIKE the MOVE i thought i loved him for the
first couple.

Speaker 4 (01:38:57):
Of weeks there he's just Been really disappoint i'll throw the,
names at you like ten fifteen seconds or less on anything.

Speaker 5 (01:39:03):
That Interest you george, springer thumbs. Up, thumbs down.

Speaker 8 (01:39:07):
Yeah he's a he's. A, playoff warrior. Yeah you don't
you don't need a you don't need a perennial star.
On this team you need a guy that can sort
of perform.

Speaker 4 (01:39:17):
In.

Speaker 8 (01:39:17):
THE playoffs yeah i would Actually be very george take A.

Speaker 5 (01:39:20):
Swing on buckston just hope.

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
He STAYS healthy, THE i mean i mean health is,
the only thing because when he's, on the. Field he's
good he's not as good as he was, four years
ago but he's.

Speaker 5 (01:39:31):
He's.

Speaker 4 (01:39:31):
Still good rooker we Already Talked about lawrence butler probably
not a trade guy is probably.

Speaker 5 (01:39:37):
Hold onto him maybe the swaggiest player and, my new
guy my. New, guy Swag yeah the.

Speaker 8 (01:39:42):
Phillies need swag they, need big chains they need they need. Everything,
they need yeah They, need, some, yeah Yes Yes the
lawrence foler.

Speaker 5 (01:39:52):
Speaking Of, SWAG org solaire i Know that All i've
been i've Been Begging for hojra sailiar. Since twenty twenty
THAT'S the all i have two.

Speaker 8 (01:40:02):
Tweets a year if you Look up hore Celaire, ON
my twitter i have two tweets a year for the
last five years begging for Them to Sign Horace.

Speaker 5 (01:40:09):
Leftfielder reee. Hoskins i'm joking i'll move ON all in.
I am now out of the, guys you've listed he's.

Speaker 8 (01:40:18):
Probably THE bottom but. I wouldn't work i wouldn't hate
taking a swing at.

Speaker 4 (01:40:23):
A low price It's a little marsish like taking a
swing and a guy who was, a big problem maybe
not even, a big prospect but had a really good
start to steer his career and he's. Really struggled since
and then a guy who this is maybe like the
most pie in, the sky one a guy who were,
playing this weekend but as someone who drafted Him, high
in fantasy he has.

Speaker 5 (01:40:41):
Sucked This.

Speaker 4 (01:40:41):
Year brian reynolds is there any any you know maybe
taking A Swing on brian reynolds or is he on
the downside?

Speaker 5 (01:40:48):
AT this point i think he's. On, THE downside. YEAH
i don't i.

Speaker 8 (01:40:55):
Don't think so i'd be. Out on that he'd probably
be on the bottom. Of my list out of all
the guys.

Speaker 5 (01:41:01):
You need he's got like four or five more years.

Speaker 8 (01:41:04):
AT pretty good i think he's a slightly above average
baseball player who's been riding on a. Really BAD team
and i think he's one of those guys that you, can, be,
like oh, well you know he might just need a
new team and then he could come here and just
be the same expact player. That he's been so he's
probably on the bottom. Of my, List but yeah i'm. All.

Speaker 5 (01:41:24):
In this robert we're done, at, This Point, right so
robert he's just.

Speaker 8 (01:41:30):
Not good anymore he's he's he's going to be that
guy where all the people that want forty baseball games
a year come you with the deadline and say they
Need To trade Ada Miller for luis robert and not
realize he's like bottom fifteen hitters. In all baseball he's just.
NOT good anymore I Don't.

Speaker 4 (01:41:45):
THINK brendan Donovan I. LIKE brendan donovan i don't know
if he's a FIT for the i think we need power.
With the slot yeah it's Worth It. With brendan donovan.
YEAH that fair i don't.

Speaker 5 (01:41:56):
HATE that though i. Don't hate that but in, THE
last one I Know. YOU'LL cedric mullens, i, know, you,
like yeah yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:42:03):
That'd, BE awesome yeah I would love cedric having Him,
AND LEFT granted i i would still. PREFER right handed
i think having another right handed bat in the lineup,
Would be, big, BUT yeah. NO i would i would love.

Speaker 5 (01:42:18):
There HE is should, i do that, dame, or no
dude the dude.

Speaker 8 (01:42:24):
Might just right he has one less Home Run than bryce, Harper,
this year like the dude.

Speaker 4 (01:42:28):
Might just ran.

Speaker 5 (01:42:31):
It's almost like he had a.

Speaker 8 (01:42:33):
Freak injury that no one's ever heard of in baseball
and maybe he wasn't a horrible player like.

Speaker 6 (01:42:38):
Tends to happen.

Speaker 5 (01:42:41):
Still, THE crazy listen i don't think he's some.

Speaker 8 (01:42:43):
Great baseball player but like the craziest part about that
whole sequence Was that the phillies for at the deadline
he had a freak injury that no one's ever, had
in baseball and then they just like, Non tender them
like like that's what's the difference between Him And like
cal stevenson, On your team like like what DID not like,

(01:43:04):
i don't know bring back?

Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Bring him back.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
There He is luke arkaney you Can follow on twitter.
At r kny luke will be down there on the
diamond for, Skiens able tomorrow so keep It Locked.

Speaker 5 (01:43:17):
Till luke's twitter thanks so much, For. Coming, on, luke
sorry thanks that's he. Took me off he. Took, Me off. Wow,
i'm jerking uh that's gonna do it, For.

Speaker 4 (01:43:30):
The SHOW sean should i read my five non lottery
guys or should we save that?

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
For another week say we got plenty of time, for
draft talk save it.

Speaker 5 (01:43:38):
For another week just, know Right, now yaxell llinborg that's
what you.

Speaker 4 (01:43:42):
Need to know.

Speaker 6 (01:43:43):
He's The man jackell lenborg still.

Speaker 7 (01:43:45):
Weighing his options, By, the way uh it's crazy if
team doesn't give him a.

Speaker 4 (01:43:49):
First Round guarantee so gavoni said that he makes more than,
the twenty fifth he'll he'll make more than the twenty fifth.

Speaker 6 (01:43:57):
Pick or higher it's three MILLION dollars off i Heard,
from miss.

Speaker 4 (01:44:00):
Yeah he needs to Go from. WHAT cavoni said i
think he needs to go twenty.

Speaker 5 (01:44:04):
Five or higher needs to. HAVE a promise i.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
Had him eleventh THAT'S how. Passionate i am And for
sure fleming we'll talk about him in. Another time too.

Speaker 5 (01:44:13):
That's gonna do It For The tough.

Speaker 4 (01:44:14):
Cover radio show we'll be Back next week thanks So,
Much to Luke thanks chaumbergagg on the, ones and twos,
Tough Cover, country let's ride