Tough Cover Show: Eagles Going Defense in Early NFL Draft Rounds, NBA Playoffs, and More - 04/26/25 - The Tough Cover

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
The town borough.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I see neighbor a streets, I see something for downtown.

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Man, that's.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Hello's welcome.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Who's the puff Cover Radio show? I am your host
as always, Mark Henry Jr. You can follow me over
on Twitter at Mark Henry Jr. Underscore. I got with
me to guys who know their stuff when it comes
to hoops. So we got plenty of NBA to talk today.
Sean Bernard as always my coast. You can follow him

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over on Twitter at Shawnunderscore Bernard one on the right
or on the in the middle. Actually, Sean, how are
you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah? Doing well?

Speaker 5 (01:11):
Mark Henry Junior. We're on the the flow of NBA
playoffs here. We sorting threw a couple gremlins in the
system getting off the ground today, but excited to, you know,
dive into everything we got. And it is NFL Draft season,
so I know this is your primetime this year super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Mark Henry Junior. So how are you, my friend?

Speaker 1 (01:26):
I feel great. I feel like I went into the
Aaron Rodgers like darkness retreat. But it's just the draft,
Like everything in my life became just looking at my sheet,
crossing off names, trying to get comps out trying to
get tweets out, looking up info about who's falling, who's
trading up that I feel like the NBA, I may

(01:46):
I actually I had a hell of a gambling night
last night. We could talk about some of those teams,
but I feel like the whole entire sports world outside
of the draft has stopped for me. So I'm excited
to catch up with you guys on the rest of
that today. We got a lot NFL drafted stuff to
talk about, but I do want to get into a
lot of that NBA stuff as well, And nobody better
to talk about that with than who we got on

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the ones and twos Back in the studio. We've got
our guy, Sam Astri. You can follow him. Oh you
can't hear us? All right, that's okay. We'll get to
Sam when we get to the NBA stuff, for sure,
But let's talk about the story that's on the tip
of everyone's tongue right now. We'll get to NBA, we'll
get to if we have to, we'll get to the Phillies.
We can even talk a little little hockey. But the

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story that's dominating the sports world in a way that
you know, I can't remember a draft story going into
Day three dominating Shador. Sanders is still on the board here. Obviously,
there was times where people thought he might be the
first overall pick, people thought he might go top five,
people thought he would go in the first round. Then
people would trade up for him at the top of
the second round. And now here we are, like, I

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think it was one hundred and two picks on hundred
and three picks, something like that, last to the first
three days, and here we are in Chaudors, still available,
still sitting on the board. I don't even know where
to start with it. Sean, what's kind of your reaction?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Yeah, I mean, there's obviously a lot of factors playing
into this and a lot of takes all over it
are of it. My biggest takeaway and what I feel
strongly about. I can even see the Chador slipping out
of the first round. You cannot make a legitimate argument
to me that there has been five quarterbacks, six quarterbacks,
Tyler Schuck, Dylan Gabriel, that as a direct NFL prospect,
you view these guys in higher light.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I just don't believe that to be true. Now.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
It doesn't make any sense me. If you're a team
like the Pittsburgh Steelers, a team like the Cleveland Browns.
Why he is still sitting out there. I thought it
was insane that the Steelers didn't take him at that
twenty first pick in that first round. I think it's
even crazier that he's off the board through the whole
second night here. So I can't wrap my brain around this,
to be perfectly honest, it obviously is a personality thing
a you know, all the behind the scenes stuff that

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comes with Shador, which is what is turning teams off.

Speaker 4 (03:54):
I just don't get why you're not taking the gamble.

Speaker 5 (03:56):
To me, this decision should be made based on avaluating talent,
and that doesn't feel like what is exactly going down.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Yeah, it's it's definitely. Everybody wants to have their their
overarching taken. This is why this is happening. And you
idiots from the mock draft community and you draft people
are like, I think that there's so many factors playing
into this that it's hard to even pinpoint one of them.

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There's not that many teams that needed quarterbacks, and I
think that to some of those teams that weren't going
up and drafting one up high, there's a little fear
to drafting a guy like Shador to maybe sit for
a little bit. There's also the Dion aspect of all
of this. There's also the interviews aspect of all of this.

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There's also the fact that it seemed for months now
that the draft community, the smart you know, the smart
guys out there in the draft community, we're a lot
lower on Shador than you would hear guys on ESPN
talking about Dylan Gabriel on him though. No, well, that's
where this is where it's went insanely, Like I think

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you can make and I think I can understand him
falling out of the first round easily. I had him
thirty second overall, so it's not like this is some
amazing prospect. I had thirty two overall. I had a
second round grade on him. He is my QP one
in this draft, which is the insane part out on Cambra,
which I know is unpopular to most.

Speaker 6 (05:28):
We'll talk about that a little later on.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
But I where it got insane was Tyler Shuck. Everybody
said where it got insane was still in Gabriel. I
think where it got insane was Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 4 (05:40):
Yeah, No, I agree with that completely.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
There.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
It's like the.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Dude's has been when we're talking about like quarterbacks here,
age is obviously a factor.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Shador like Tyler Shuck has.

Speaker 5 (05:51):
He was the backup to Justin Herbert at Oregon, And
you're telling me this dude is a better NFL prospect.
The dude this is the Chad Baker Mazarro of college football.
This is Brandon Whedon. Like, what are we doing here
with talking about this? Shador has his flaws, There's no
doubt about it. He's not a perfect prospect. There's things
that are fair concerns to have overall. But I do
think like everyone's overthinking this and everyone's scared it. And

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if we're gonna make the same anti points about Shador,
I would make the pro points in the same direction.
I like a quarterback that walks in the room and
is the most confident guy that thinks he's the best
player on every single field that he walks on, that
has a little flash, has a little bit of marketability.
I think everything that you're using as a negative can
sort of be perceived as a positive here if you're
thinking about it the right way as an organization.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
So I don't know what the.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Full deal is At this point, it feels like there's
got to be something missing based on what it is.
But I guess, you know, all we can do is
what these teams decide. And I think the NFL is
speaking quite loudly here. We're battling through some issues here
on Fox Sports the Game, but we got Sam Ostre
searching for headphones, Mark Henry Junior battle and Wi Fi.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
But my name is Sean Manardon.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
I'm gonna keep the ship on track here, so to
get to do all with some of the NFL draft thoughts. Overall,
I think it was kind of a buy the book's
draft to an extent that I don't think anyone had
super expectations. It felt like obviously there were the top things.
The one conversation I do want to dive into with
Mark Henry Junior specific it is the Travis Hunter trade.
I know he feels differently, but I absolutely love it

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from a Jacksonville Jaguars perspective. So that is something that
I want to dig in with him. And it does
look like we got marked back in the mix here.
So I talked a little bit about the shador. I
think we've talked and we can dive into that a
little bit more with Nick McLay. I know, a passionate
take that you had was about his Colorado counterpart in
Travis Hunter here. So probably the biggest splash of Day
one was that trade. What was your initial reactions, Mark.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
Probably.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You just can't move up for a non quarterback like that,
in my opinion, and give up all that draft capital
to get someone who's not the most important player on
your team.

Speaker 6 (07:49):
Travis Hunter is an awesome player. I had him as
one of my elite.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
True blue chip guys. I actually had him six of overall,
So I'm not as insane about him as some people.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
I'm a little bit, you know more that.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
And by the way, Shane and Dives I was doing
the draft stream with their yelling and screaming like, I
hate that he wants to play all too. I hate
that he wants to play both positions, and I hate
that he keeps saying that and he is, you know,
I don't think it's possible. And by the way, I
kind of don't think it's possible. I kind of don't
think long term you can play both to the full
time extent that he did in college. In the NFL,

(08:24):
We'll see but I think it's exactly what he should
be saying. It's not something that he should be dropping
on teams after they draft him. Make it clear from
the start that you want to play both ways, you
want to make you want the way his path to
being a true mainstream superstar is to being football O Tommy.
And if, maybe if he doesn't play full time both ways,
pretty damn close to full time both ways. I am

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skeptical of that, and I think if you take away that,
I think if he becomes just a corner or just
a receiver, then I think that trade.

Speaker 6 (08:53):
Is downright the worst tram that's ever been made in
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
But if he's both seeds, I think it's still a
bad trade because you gave up not only the fifth pick,
not only your second rounder, but you gave up your
next year's first round pick. And you're the Jacksonville Jaguars.
You're picking fifth for a reason. You got a ton
of holes on that defense, you got holes all over

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that team. You have a first year head coach, You've
got a twenty two year old GM up there making
picks like I don't think I would be. And the
same goes for Atlanta and we'll talk about them. They
traded up for a guy I love. I wouldn't have
been trading next year first in this class. I think
this was a bad draft class. And you're not a

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team like the Chiefs or the Eagles, or the Bills
or the Ravens or the Lions, whoever. You want to
throw in that argument that we can pencil in to
picking twenty four to thirty two. You're hoping you can
pick like twenty two if you can have like a
nice bounce back season and win ten games and win
the division.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Like, I get it.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
We love Travis Hunter. He's got a great personality. I
think he's everything you want to to be in terms
of the personality. But man, I couldn't even look. I
couldn't fathom. I don't think. I don't think I would
have done that trade if it was five and next
year's first, not not factoring in the thirty sixth pick.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
I love it.

Speaker 5 (10:17):
I love taking the swing, and I get like, we
can have the value conversation, we can break break down
the chart all that. Like, I think it's tough to
quantify the value of a guy like Travis Hunter, a
guy who provides a legitimate spark to an organization that
I think needs it, that I do think is a
first round talent on both sides of the ball. And
when you're getting kind of a two for one player
like that, it does change sort of your perception of.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
How you can calculate that. So I think Jacksonville needed that.

Speaker 5 (10:41):
I feel like this is the first like this is
the Jaguars now have a buzz coming into next year
that they're now gonna be a team that like people
are excited about. I'm gonna enjoy watching that morning London
game where you know they probably lose or whatever the
case might be. But when you have Travis Hunter, Brian Thompson,
Brian Thomas, and Trevor Lawrence, you're starting to get somewhere
from a founder offense. And I do think like corner

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defensively is where he's gonna shine the best. So obviously
he made it clear his intentions. He wants to play
both sides of the ball. I'm happy in an organization
very clearly seems to be allowing him to do that,
and if things work out, I think we're feeling differently
about that overall trade.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
I don't I don't think I think he could be
an all pro and I think it's a bad trade.
You're trading up from five and you're giving up a
first and a second, and I just it's not a quarterback.
And I said the same. Hey, you could say I
was wrong about the Texans if you want. I think
the Texans gave up way too much to get Will
Anderson at the time, and I think the Texans are

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still paying for that. And Will Anderson's awesome. I loved
what I liked Will Anderson as a prospect more than
I like Travis Hunter as a prospect in terms of.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
That's where I think it's different based on the like
the two sides, things like if you if you're.

Speaker 6 (11:49):
I'm just skeptical that that's a long term, long term solution.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
Yeah, I mean I get that, and we're gonna see,
like we'll see.

Speaker 1 (11:56):
I'm happy that in terms of like football experiment, Like
I'm happy we're getting to see it.

Speaker 7 (12:02):
Yeah, part of it too. It's great to join you.

Speaker 8 (12:05):
I'm back after some technical difficulties. Thanks again for having
me on, Mark. It's a beautiful Saturday. Always great to
be on with you. But let me just say to
your point, part of it is you kind of have
to discover what Trevor Lawrence really is as a quarterback, right,
and like you have to surround him with as much
as possible. And like Brian Thomas a really good player
for sure, but Travis Hunter, I think he's gonna play
more offensive wide receiver than he is defensing cornerback. I

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feel like that's the Jags, that's the bet that Jaguars
are making, where that's what they want him to do.
You want to figure out what Trevor Lawns says as
a quarterback, and the way to do that is surround
him with as much as possible. Like there's a scenario
where they're moving on from him in a couple of
years where it's like they gave him the talent necessary
to be a winning player and be a good player,
and now with a new head coach, and of course
he's had a bunch of a bunch of those head

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coaches and not always great. But now with the new
head coach, a good surrounding pieces, good weapons for him.
If he's not the guy, he's not the guy, but
it's figuring that out now. We're never I think that's
part of the equation when you're factoring in this pick.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I think Gent would have been a nice thing for
that as well. I think my whole argument and Sean
Brace sent in the Jags price to win the division
after they took Hunter. I would have liked the Jags
in terms of next year. I think they're a better
team with Genty instead of Hunter. And well, I should
say Gent and the thirty six pick instead of Hunter,

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because you fill that whole running back and whatever. You
could throw this at me too. I like when I'm
in an argument giving the person i'm arguing with the
argument against it. But Travis Hunter. You could make the
argument that Ashton Genty is not a long term solution.
I'm saying Travis Hunter playing both ways isn't a long
term solution. I get all that, but I do think

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if you put Gent there as an elite running back
right away, you've got that, You've got Thomas out live,
and then you can go fill a hole on defense.
At thirty six, I will say I think it was
in the nineties, but they got why at mylam a
guy who I actually had created as a first round
offensive lineman.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
So great, great fine by Jacksonville there.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
I did like that pick a lot and the Rams
who Gladstone was with before going to Jacksonville have done
a really good job on Day two and Day three,
especially on the offensive line.

Speaker 6 (14:12):
So watch out for that pick.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
But I I yeah, For me, I think it's there
was enough good players there at five that I would
have stuck at five, kept the second rounder, and not,
you know, risked my entire franchise next year because now
if you go six and eleven, you're giving up the
eighth pick or whatever you want to say.

Speaker 5 (14:35):
What do you think the chances are that we look
back at this draft and Travis Hunter is the best
player in it.

Speaker 9 (14:41):
Not?

Speaker 1 (14:42):
I don't think the chances are that high for any player.
So that's a hard question. Just there's so many players
in the draft. It's a bad answer. It's an uninteresting answer,
So I apologize.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
But is it fair to put it this way? I
think that's the that's a fair bet to make that
when we look back at this draft, there's a decent
chance that Travis Hunter is the most impactful player in it.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
For me, gent I would say gent, but it's a short,
shorter term thing. Gent Abdul Carter I would take over
Travis in terms of that, And then it's like a
couple of guys who I had a spot higher than Travis,
Like I had Teed McMillan higher than Travis. If you
told me that the Travis, we'll get to that. I love.

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I loved what Carolina did so far. I had Will
Johnson higher. He went in the second round with medical
red flags. It's hard to even hard to even quantify
what's man, But yeah, I apparently Arizona gave him like
a fear a full clear, which makes it even crazier
that they got a great player at sixteen two and
Walter Nolan Arizona another big another big winner of the draft.

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But Sam, I wanted to to jab back in on Shador.
You weren't able to talk about that at the beginning
of the susn't. I dropped off, what's your kind of
just general take on Shador?

Speaker 8 (15:56):
Yeah, so it kind of reminds me of the Luca
trade a little bit, right from the perspective of the
Luca trade had nothing to do with basketball, Like you
can try to justify with basketball reasons as much as possible,
but it really had nothing to do with basketball. That
was personal animosity that Nico Harrison, the MAVs front office
felt towards Luca and Luca's inner circle and they wanted
nothing to do with him and everything Luka Doncics brawl,

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so that there's no basketball justification for that. It's kind
of similar here where there's no real football justification for
Shador Sanders. Maybe I wouldn't say not going in the
first or second round, but for Dylan Gabriel and Jalen
Milroe to be drafting over to being drafted over Shador Sanders,
there's no football justification. So then you have to look
at the last name. Of course, the Dion factor that

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plays a role, but I think it's really more just
he is a backup quarterback in this league. The NFL
talent evaluators have said he is a backup quarterback in
this league, and clearly everyone agrees. As a backup quarterback
in this league. Is he worth everything he brings to
the table in terms of the not just it's not
like he necessarily brings a distraction, but his last name, Like,

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cameras are going to be on him, people are going
to be interviewing him. His dad is gonna be talking
about him a weekly in those press conferences and probably
saying things about the starter. That shouldn't be said because
Deon Sanders does not hold back. So when he's in
those Colorado press conferences, they will all be must CTV
because of his son. It's just so much distraction that
you don't want, you don't want from a backup quarterback.
So why take the risk on risk on someone as

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a backup when you don't see him as a startering
level talent. And it's really like it's it's definitely shocking,
but when you really peel back the curtain and you're like,
all right, this guy isn't a first round talent according
to NFL evaluators, and why would you want him as
a backup with all the distraction he brings. So it's
a really fascinating situation.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
I do think he's like a fringe starter or like
could be a fringe starter and has the upside to
be a geno level guy, like I think Gino's the
ceiling for him. And but Gina is probably like the
fourteenth best quarterback. He's like probably a slightly above average quarterback.

Speaker 5 (17:58):
Think about some of the quarterbacks seen start games lately,
like Mason Rudolph is the number one on the depth
chart for the Pittsburgh Steelers current. Its gonna be Kirker Rogers.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
Shit it is.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
But like to that same point, like you can kind
of spread out your gamble here, take a chance on
somebody and like to have this like backup quarterback conversation,
Like I think the best case scenario for the guy
like yelling Gabriel is that he's a backup quarterback. Like
I think that's like a ceiling as a player. And
like to just I again, I get him not being
a first round pick. I still would have taken him
in the first round pick because I do believe there's

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a chance he could be a starting caliber Like he's
not gonna be. I don't think Shudar Sanders is gonna
be like a franchise cornerstone quarterback of Patrick Mahomes Jalen
Hurts type guy. But I do think he can absolutely
be a Gina Smith, the Baker Mayfield, a guy like
that that is a serviceable starter there.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
So I it blows my mind.

Speaker 5 (18:45):
I mean, look like the marketability to me is like
you can.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Look at that as a positive too.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
People are gonna buy be buying Shudur Sanders jerseys even
if he is a backup.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
One last thing I want to I want to mention
about the Dion of it all. Everybody's looking at that
as a negative and everything that's going on behind the scenes,
and I think his camp have grossly mishandled this entire process.
He had four opportunities to go out and work out
for teams. He chose to not do any of them.
He only did individual workouts. I think that they were

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pretty arrogant in the way that they approached the draft process.
But what I'd say in terms of a football standpoint,
I look at Dion being his coach actually is like
a positive because I don't think Dean's a good football coach.
I don't think Dion's like a smart x's and O's guy.
I don't think Pat Shermer was good at developing quarterbacks.
So I think that there's a portion of people saying, oh,
Dion and Shermer and whoever their camp didn't do a

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good job developing Shador. I would look at that and say, well,
let's get him with like an actual NFL head coach,
and let's get him with actual offensively minded people like
as opposed to Jackson Dart. Like Jackson Dart went to
Lane Kiff and University, Like that guy got maxed out.
Like all the talent you saw from Jackson dart is
all the talent you're gonna see from Jackson dart Like
there's not some untapped thing that Lane Kiffin didn't find

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with Jackson Dartley. And he was also surrounded by excellent
talent his entire time at all MISS, Whereas I think
shdore that offensive line is so bad, and I understand
he took a lot of sacks, but part of that was,
like there was also a lot of plays that he
made where it's like, man, that's pretty impressive with having
such a terrible offensive line in front of you.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
So I do think I think part of it, just
to that point, Mark like part of it is it's
the coaching shore that that plays a role that he's
only really been coached throughout his football journey by his dad,
and I think that's a red flag for some. But
I don't think it's as much the coaching as much
the attention that Deon Sanders, Springs and everything everything that
that includes, Like Dan Sanders earlier in this process said

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they were going to control where Shador was gonna land,
Like you can't do that even if you're one of
the best players in the draft. Let alone clearly is
not even a first round talent according to NFL evaluators
and franchises. But he was trying to control where this
guy was going to land in the draft. And think
about it now, now they're begging a team to sign
them or to draft them because nobody wants them. So

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it's like the fall from Grace really is like maybe
Dion and Shaudors should look themselves in the mirror and
be like, maybe this extra added attention and this arrogance
that people perceive as as as just a red flag
to some degree, maybe we should kind of get rid
of that and like this this doesn't work in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
We're hitting the hotline here and bringing in one of
our favorite guests from The Gambler right here. You can
follow on Twitter at Nick McLay twenty two. Uh, you
guys did a stream the other night. I was watching
before I had to hop on mine and I went
back and I was fast forward and through for like
when I saw big reactions and I was watching your
guys streams. So you guys were killing it over there

(21:45):
a little less. Let us over there in McLay.

Speaker 10 (21:47):
Yeah, we had to chop it off. We had to
chop it off a little bit. It was getting getting
too much to do.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
To get rid of it. Love it, love it. Hey,
you got to get it out of your eyes when
it's draft season. Yet you got to see clearly exactly.
So we're pumped to have Nick on talking all things
NFL drafting. You know what, we haven't hit on it yet.
Let's get to the Eagles. Let's get Let's talk about
the Birds. Let's talk about the two picks they've made.

(22:12):
And they traded obviously their third pick for a couple
more picks today, so only two picks to talk about.
Let's start with Jaha Jahad Campbell, linebacker, Alabama. I I'm
a little lower on Jahad than some of the people
out there, like Mina Kims, who have him like top
five or guys who have him top ten, top fifteen.
I had him thirty three overall. I had him as
a second round grade. But picking the thirty three guy

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at thirty one or thirty two or thirty.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
One technically because they traded up, that's pretty good value.
It's fine by me.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I've actually come around on it a little more I
view him. I'm more bullish on him as a linebacker
than an edge He would be the zero point three
to six percentile weight for edge rushers. As a linebacker,
I think he's an incredibly, incredibly athletic kind of piece
of clay that you can mold into whatever Vic Fangio
wants him to be ideally, And I think that there's

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things like instincts, coverage getting crossed up, like those types
of things. I'm more confident in those things getting coached
out by Fangio and him being a linebacker who blitzes
than I am with him being an edge rusher at
his weight.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
But Nick, where did you have him on the big board?

Speaker 10 (23:20):
I had him seventeen, So I like this, but great
value for me and we trade it up. Yeah, but
we just kind of traded up just to kind of
play defense on someone else, cause Chiefs wen't going to
get him. They're not They're not looking at a linebacker,
so we were just playing defense. We give up a
fifth round er, I think it was we have like
four of them. Have we had the the you know,

(23:43):
the space to give up. But I think you were
right that he is going to play more of that
linebacker position, but he still has the ability to do that,
you know, on the line of scrimmage. I think he
can be a value player where you don't care where
he plays. You put him on the field, He's going
to go out there, make a play, find the ball.
He has a knack for the ball, and he just

(24:03):
he's at Alabama the defensive the leader, like you know
what I mean, you can't go wrong with someone from
the SEC that it was a high caliber player and
just I think it's a great value pick at thirty one,
didn't give up much. I think he comes in. I
had him comp to Zach Bond. I had him comp
to Zach Blond and Tremaine Edmonds. So I think this
is a great fit for Vangio to, like you said,

(24:24):
and mould him into something. And I'm even more happy
about that. Andrew mccooba pick, I think he's going to
be a star. I had me and Coyle were doing
some hot takes on Twitter the other day. I said,
Andrew mccub is going to be the best safety in
this class, which obviously reach, but I think he's going
to be a ballhawk out there for the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
I love the mccooba pick as well. There's definitely I
think mccooba I had him. We both had him around
the same grade, right around where he got drafted. I
would have preferred Watts, But when when you get to
the sixty fourth pick, the likelihood that they're going to
take the guy you want is actually less than the
guy that you don't even have in like your top

(25:04):
one hundred. Like You've had moments like that in the
past where they take a guy on day two who
I hadn't even looked at yet. So it's nice to
get the number two guy available at a position of
need that you know, and I think mccuba was Besides Watts,
maccouba would have been the only other safety that I
would have felt felt good about starting day one. He's
similar to Watson a lot of ways in terms of

(25:25):
being a ball Hawk playmaker five picks last year. Did
it at the SEC a huge play in the playoff
game against Arizona State to close that one out with
a pick. I'm really excited about mccuba, excited about Jahad
as well, but I guess.

Speaker 6 (25:41):
I'll I'll throw it this way.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Where are you at on Jahad? In terms of how
he's gonna where he's gonna line up for the Eagles.

Speaker 11 (25:50):
I think he's gonna line up off the ball.

Speaker 10 (25:52):
I think he's going to be more of that of
all linebacker to start, because you think in the off
season we signed as these Jalari.

Speaker 11 (25:58):
We sign Josh Uche.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
Yeah, I know those guys aren't going to come in
and make an immediate impact, but they're at rushers. They're
they're not capable of playing off the ball. So I
think we lined him and balling up. We don't know
about Nikobe's injury. That's kind of uncertainty that's thrown up
in the air. I think we just throw him in
the middle of the field and let him make plays.
I think he's an athlete that just has a knack

(26:21):
to find the ball, knack to cover.

Speaker 11 (26:24):
He'll learn, you know, more as we go.

Speaker 10 (26:26):
He's not polished, he's not perfect, but coming into a
system with Vic Vangio, I think is only gonna make
him better. Obviously, coming into a defense with that, you
know as your leader. I think he comes in and
I think he does have an immediate impact in this
Eagles defense.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
My favorite Eagles outcome of the day is that they
didn't reach on a mid tight end who I had ranked,
Like my tight end three was eighty eighth, So like
outside of Warren and Loveland, I was out on the
rest of this class, the Mason Taylor's, the Elijah Rouyos,
the Ferguson's, all those names, fanning a couple of the
other names. I am absolutely psyched that they didn't reach

(27:03):
on one of those guys. And I'm praying to the
gods that hopefully this means Hallie and Dallas can have
a meeting of the minds and say, let's let's go
one last dance, one last dance. We'll give you a
couple more million dollars to hold Joe over until next
year's let's let's have a let's let's you know, there
was no replacement for Dallas Goddar in free agency that

(27:24):
made sense. There was no replacement in the draft unless
you were going to trade up for Warren or Loveland,
who went tenth and fourteenth. So I'm absolutely pumped that
neither of these picks was a tight end.

Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, got good, Like I think we've undersold that a
little bit, Like I get the injury concerns and obviously
the finances and the contracts sort of the larger storyline here.
But like, I don't see a world when just talking
about from a pure talent perspective or winning football games,
there's an improvement in any of these directions here. So
I'm in agreement, Mark, I hope there is a meeting
of the minds. Let's run this back. They won the

(27:54):
Super Bowl. Good lord, man, Like, let's buckle up and
do this again.

Speaker 11 (27:58):
And he dominated in that playoff run too.

Speaker 10 (28:00):
Yeah, he was a key contributor to that offense in
all for every single playoff game. So I don't understand
why there wouldn't be a meeting of the minds and
try to work something out. But I think you got
to try. You got to try to bring him back.

Speaker 7 (28:12):
But we've how he be.

Speaker 8 (28:15):
We've also kind of seen how he be cut throat
in that regard, Like if you're not a position where
he completely values you, which, of course, of the quarterback,
defensive line positions that he really values the most UNFL
teams value, he's pretty cutthroat. Like he like you just said, CJ,
he just traded him after after he was a huge
part of the super Bowl team. So if Howie is

(28:35):
has that approach, he's gonna be like tight ends. Yes,
Dallas got it, did contribute a lot to that super run.
He's been awesome for the Eagles really since he got here.
But it is he replaceable And the answer is probably yes.
So that's what how he's thinking, where it's like, yes,
we need a good tight end, but Dallas Goddard himself,
his talent is replaceable. So he's been pretty cut throat
in that regard, and I could see him being like,

(28:57):
maybe how he's the one not meeting him halfway at
the tape.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I think you're right. No, I think that is what's happening.
I disagree. I'm like, Howie, I love you, I trust you,
but I disagree with you here, pal like, I really
really just don't think that replaced. And if there was
a Mike is SICKI out there, or if you can
make a Michael Mayer trade or a Cole Comet trade,
like if you could go get the fifteenth best tight

(29:21):
end or whatever you want to say, a league average
starting tight end, I'm in I'm not confident any of
these rookies can start next year for any of the
teams they land on. Besides Warren and Loveland obviously. And
by the way, we talked about comps and I want
to get back to Jahad and Macouba with comps as well.
But it's funny. The comp for Tyler Warren for me

(29:42):
is Dallas Goddard. Like I think Tyler Warren is Dallas
Goddard with a little more juice, who stays healthy.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
At that quarterback and what, he's a little better quarterback.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
To you, he's a better quarterback than Goddard. Hey, who knows.
I had to go look at the South Dakota State tape.
Maybe maybe Goddard was lining up there. I don't know,
but I Goddard's stats, I think have always been hurt
by the all by the scheme that that the Eagles
run in terms of him being the third option in
a run heavy scheme and with a quarterback who runs
a lot. I think his stats have always been deflated

(30:12):
from like where he is, and I think that's always
hurt his kind of standing among tight ends at times.
But uh, and Warren is a guy who we're all
losing our minds about. We're all falling over. I think
Indy like won the first round, getting.

Speaker 10 (30:25):
Unbelievable that he fell out of fourteen without having to
move up as their dream obvious need.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
For them, yeah need. And we're comparing I'm comparing him
to Goddard like some people are comparing him to Hawkinson.

Speaker 6 (30:35):
I actually think, god, it's better than Hawkinson.

Speaker 10 (30:37):
So yeah, I actually have Warren Kant to Jeremy Shockey.
Yeah yeah, I mean I have love when comp to Goddard.
So that's that's funny how we flipped on that. That's
I mean, you think about the Colts. All mocks were
just penciled in a tight end, penciled in a tight end,
and then you look Colson Loveling goes over him or

(30:57):
is does Then does Warren sneak above fourteen?

Speaker 11 (30:59):
And they didn't even have to trade up for him.
So you're right.

Speaker 10 (31:02):
I think that the Warren just falling into their laps
is their dream right there.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You mentioned your comp for Jahad is Bond and it's
a popular one and everybody's phone Bond and Fred Warner
and Rokwan and all these like all world linebackers out there.
My comp was much funnier, and I made this comp
before the draft. My comp was playoff Oron Burks, which

(31:27):
is pretty hilarious by the way Waren Burks graded out
as the number four linebacker on PFF last year, which
is an unbelievable stat and then went out and got
one year three million dollars. I kind of wish they
would have just paid oron Burks. But Oran Burk's in
the playoffs was everywhere on the field, like that guy
is he? Actually I didn't know this. When he came
out of the draft. He had like a nine to
nine relative athletics score. So and if you line it

(31:49):
up to Jahad's it's directly like basically the exact same
player from a traits and size standpoint. So I thought
that was funny that everyone's putting out the Bond thing
and I'd play off Warren Brooks, and one of my
buddies was like, I'd rather see Bond than than Oron,
and I was like, hey, hey, hey, layoff or Let's

(32:10):
let's let's make that clear. And then the mccuba, I
actually didn't I have mccouba comp to Ronnie Hickman. I
don't think most people know who Ronnie Hickman is. So
mccuba in terms of his Eagles comp there's a lot
of Chauncey. There's a he's a little smaller, but there's
a lot of Chauncey Gardner Johnson there. It does seem
like the Eagles have kind of viewed a bit of
an archetype with some of these guys that they like

(32:32):
and that they're kind of following through on.

Speaker 6 (32:33):
What do you kind of think about those?

Speaker 10 (32:35):
Yeah, I had mccuba as a comp to Joan Blackman
and like a ceiling of Jaquan Brisker, just kind of
going out playing all over, having a shell over the top.

Speaker 11 (32:45):
Wherever the ball is, he'll be there.

Speaker 10 (32:46):
So I like that comp not too you know, up
to speed on Ronnie Hickman, but I think mccouba will
be Like I said with Johigh Campbell, I think they'll
both be impact players. Maybe mccuba not right away playing
behind Reid and Sydney Brown, so but either way, I
think they'll both be impact players.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
I only know about Hickman because I liked him in
the draft and then he had He's been pretty good
for Cleveland. Who give me outside of the Eagles, outside
of you know, Travis Hunter Cleveland should do or the
big things we've talked about A winner and a loser
so far, from the draft.

Speaker 10 (33:18):
I'd be a terrible Cyclone fan if I didn't say
the Houston Texans. I think I'm gonna say right now,
I think they won the damn draft. You get two
Iowa state receivers, both pulled out a thousand yards.

Speaker 11 (33:31):
You get c. J. Strouds some weapons.

Speaker 10 (33:33):
Giggs is out, uh tanked out, doesn't have a leg
right now.

Speaker 11 (33:40):
Give me give me the Cyclones, give me the.

Speaker 10 (33:42):
Production, and they got the big boy from Minnesota, Ariante
Ercy so love.

Speaker 11 (33:47):
Give me the Texans as a winner and a loser.
I don't know about a loser. It's just they didn't
really do much. But the Vikings didn't do much.

Speaker 6 (33:58):
I had the number out.

Speaker 11 (34:00):
I love Donovan Jackson, but they didn't really make any
any move.

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Ty Felton wasn't too really up to speed on him
wide receive around in Maryland. The only reason I'm saying
they're losers because they didn't really do much. You addressed
the offensive line. I do like that in the first round.
I do like Donovan Jackson. I think I had him
just outside of that first round, but Vikings didn't do much.
But Texans Man, you might be a Houston Texan fan.

(34:24):
I might be a Houston Texan fan.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I think if I was going biggest winner for me,
I'm going Carolina. I love what Carolina did, And obviously
I'm high on Tet taking him eighth. I've been talking
about that for months that I hope they that they
give Bryce Tet.

Speaker 6 (34:39):
I loved Lagette last year. I don't know if he necessarily.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Lived up to how I felt about him, but he
slots down now and you have a couple other guys
that can slot in as the number two and three guy.
But tent Is I think a guy that you can
slot in there as a wide receiver one.

Speaker 6 (34:54):
I think there's a ton of Drake London.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
I actually think he's got more juice kind of than
and some wiggle than London. And then you go out
and get two edges that I really really liked, like
prince Ly Ummaline. I had him as my number twenty
overall player. They got him in the mid third round.
Nick Gorton wasn't a guy I thought I loved going
into the draft. I had him thirty six, and compared
to most people who had him like top fifteen, top twenty,
I was low on him, but you were able to

(35:17):
pick him up in the mid second round. I and
those receiver and edge were the two biggest needs. It
felt like coming in for Carolina. Loved when Carolina did
to mention the draft. I actually had Minnesota queued up
as a loser as well, because I'm not a big
fan of the Donovan Jackson pick. I had him fiftieth overall,
so I thought it was a bit of a reach.
A lot of O lineman still that I liked there,

(35:39):
but my biggest loser, and you know, I apologize to
Kellen Moore, who I've been bullish on as a future
head coach for a long time. You go out and
you draft Kelvin Banks ninth. Kelvin Banks is a guy
who I don't see it with. I have him forty third.
There's I think I had him like offensive line eleven.
I think he was my eleventh thranked offensive lineman. I
think they took him as the same and one off

(36:00):
the board maybe third. And then you go out and
you take Tyler Shuck. I can't. I don't get it.
I've never gotten the Tyler Shuck. I didn't get it
when people liked Texas Tech going into that one season,
I didn't like it all the way back when he
was replaced by Anthony Brown at Oregon, Anthony Brown, who's

(36:22):
now completing forty eight percent of his passes in the UFL.
Anthony Brown. I do not get the Tyler Shuck thing.
I feel like every time I've ever bet on Tyler
Shuck or watched him, watched him in a game i
bet against him, I've walked away being like, this guy stinks.

Speaker 6 (36:38):
What a stupid name. I can't believe he went fortieth.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
He's like twenty.

Speaker 11 (36:42):
He's gonna be like twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
He's in Trevor Lawrence's recruiting class Herbert for two years.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
I need to know right there.

Speaker 5 (36:50):
But uh, as far as like shuck, some of those
combine reps, by the way, you've seen some of those
clips float around of him like.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Someone tried to find that for me. If you if
you can, and so we can pull it up, because
we were. I pulled it up on the draft stream
we did yesterday. It's and everybody's focused on the throw
in the clip from the combine, the footwork and what
he's doing with his arms with the fake or even
worse to me, it's like he looks like he's never
played quarterback before. In that clip, It's like if I

(37:19):
stepped out there, I was like, all right, here's how
quarterback looks.

Speaker 8 (37:22):
Like Deon's reaction to Deon's reaction to set at all.
They showed a clip of his whole watch party where
they're streaming the whole thing, which is pretty embarrassing, but
they were streaming the whole thing, and and when he
was drafted, Dion's just like wow, Like he was like
this this guy, this guy out of everybody, this guy
is drafted ahead of my son.

Speaker 7 (37:39):
He was like, wow, it was pretty talent sick.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'll throw it to Sean and Sam. Do you got
any questions for Nick.

Speaker 5 (37:47):
As far as like the the Eagles perspective? So it
feels like some pretty clear I don't want to say replacement.
I think, uh, the safety's more of a replacement pick
and the Jihad Campbell more of kind of a talent pick.
Is there anything that you think they missed all or
guys that we shoul have our eyes specifically set out
for on day three here that you think are clean
fits for this team.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
I don't know.

Speaker 10 (38:06):
I really wish why Mullum drop man? I heard Mark
talking about him earlier, but me and him have been
all over White Mullum since the start end of the
combines even before that. The man is just a mauler,
doesn't allow anyone in the backfield. He'll go out head hunt.
But nothing really too crazy that's available. I mean there's
still some like receivers out there. I like Jalen Wayne

(38:28):
as a speedy guy from Virginia Tech. I don't know now,
I'll say me and Beef have been going over the
running back Devin Neil. I don't think he really would
be doing nice with us, But I love Devin Neill.
I think wherever he goes, he's going to be an
immediate impact.

Speaker 11 (38:46):
Then here's the show.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
I love it and get a little bit of a foo.
Work on Tyler. Tyler shoot here, throw up, yeah, you
can see. Just have a tea here, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (38:59):
More than any thing, it's what he does with the
ball moving. It's it's so awkward.

Speaker 8 (39:05):
Not a single part of that is if you like,
then complete the pass.

Speaker 11 (39:09):
Why did he run away after he throws it?

Speaker 8 (39:11):
That throw was literally in the dirt. I mean fifty
cents his first pitch was better throw than then.

Speaker 11 (39:18):
That's terrible.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
I don't get the Shuck thing at all. But even
Dylan Gabriel went like I would, don't be honest, I
don't get Gabriel. I get it more than Shock. At
least Gabriel was like insanely productive at the college. I'm
a hater, like I think. I remember when he was
at Oklahoma. Shane haff who's an Oklahoma grab, big fan
of Oklahoma, he he was like Dylan Gabriel ninety percent

(39:44):
of his passes of screens. He's like he's addicted to
throwing it at the line of scrimmage. So ever since then,
I've kind of been like he's kind of had me.
Gabriel puilt h since he pointed that out to me,
because it's hard not to notice when you're watching him.

Speaker 6 (39:57):
But even him, I get it more than.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Shuck, Like I think he's like a pretty good athlete,
can move around like, had a high level of production,
won a lot like Shuck, didn't win anywhere he went
he was. He was at three schools in the span
of seven years, and he didn't do anything worth No, Like,
I don't whatever is that.

Speaker 10 (40:15):
A few surgeries on his legs too? Hasn't he am
I making that up? I think I actually didn't know
that I might be making that up, but I think
it makes sense.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Though, Why else would he have a seven year yeah years,
probably got a medical medical red shirt at least once,
So yeah, that's insane.

Speaker 10 (40:33):
If another guy that I'm looking at that's still on
the board, Marcus Mobo or Mobile from Purdue, I'm surprised
that he's still on the board. If we're looking at
guys that we want to develop on the offensive line,
I like him. If he's still there when we're still picking,
I wouldn't. I wouldn't even mind a trade up for
him with all the picks that we got. But that's
someone that I'm looking at down the board.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
The problem with my best available or a lot of
them are at positions like we're probably not my number
one guys. Do Walker?

Speaker 6 (41:01):
I've been banging the drum for DM Walker for a year.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I would I would freak out if we got Dean
Walker today played last. Everybody's downgrading him because he's twenty
twenty four. They found out at the combine he was
playing with a broken back. Fine man, unbelievable and everybody's
comp everybody's thing for him was he plays to upright
all of a sudden in twenty twenty four, he got
too upright. Man has a broken fun It's unbelievable. But

(41:26):
Jack Sawyer off the edge is a guy I'd like
to see to the Eagles. I'm a little higher on him.
I think he's just got a high motor linebacker. Danny
Stutsman probably not looking to draft the linebacker. A couple
a bunch of running backs if we just want to list, uh,
Dylan Samson, DJ Giddons, Cam Scataboo, Basual Touton, Devin Neil,

(41:48):
Damien Martinez, Jaydon Blue, Berchard Smith Like, there's a lot
of running backs so I think could make impacts for
whoever drafts them today. Look a a you manor I
always forget to say that it's not elik a human,
or it's it's like not how you would think it
is for now, Tyler Baron, Kyle Knard at edge, Jared
Ivy at edge. One deep guy. This is a Day

(42:09):
three guy, or I'll throw two guys out there. This
is a Day three guy. And technically we're already on
day three, so everybody's a Day three guy. He was
always going to be a Day three guy. There was
never a chance he was going high. I'm bullish on
this guy out of San Jose State. For all the
haters out there on my draft stream who say I
hate all the small schools, I hate all the small
school guys Nick Nash. I believe in Nick Nash to

(42:29):
find a role. That guy was so productive at San
Jose State. Good size, great wiggle, really great route runner.
I'm really really in on Nick Nash. And one more
guy I'll throw out there because his dad liked my
tweet yesterday about him. Chris Paul, junior linebacker out of
Tulsa not not k CP three was not in. It

(42:52):
was not like in my tweets last night. Unfortunately it
was coach Christopher Paul sor for those who want to know, which,
by the way, is one of my favorite things in
draft season when you're tweeting about guys and you get
the dads and the brothers and the the moms.

Speaker 5 (43:04):
For NBAF treveling, Queen's mom still like like all my
tweets and like still followed.

Speaker 8 (43:09):
College when he was for college playing parents, Yes, they
just are so proud. It's like you tweet one thing
about their kid and they love it, and then you
tweet one negative thing about their kid, and they are
in your mentions.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
Negative. Just ask John Jansen about E. J. Warner. He
tweeted about Warner and he had Kurt breathing down his neck.
But my my.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
Story, Warner turn out.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
My story with that is, oh my god, I can't
remember his name now. He signed with the Jags. He
was a safety for the Jags. Oh my god, I
can't remember. That's so annoying. He got paid a lot
of money, and I Rayshawn Jenkins. Rayshawn Jenkins was there.
He went somewhere. I forget where he was before Jacksonville,
but he got paid a lot of money to go

(43:56):
to Jacksonville as a safety. And I'd like to consider
myself a pretty plugged in guy to the NFL. I
had never heard of Rayshawn Jenkins when he got like
thirty million dollars for three years or something like that,
and I tweeted it out, like, man, a lot of
money for a guy I've never heard of. And Rayshawn
Jenkins wife got in my mentions and was like, you
clearly don't know, Paul, Like this guy's has been a

(44:19):
stud for years, Like he got cut.

Speaker 6 (44:22):
The next year. They he half that contract.

Speaker 1 (44:24):
How you feeling.

Speaker 8 (44:26):
Jenkins these family members?

Speaker 7 (44:29):
Ever heard of burners?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Just do it.

Speaker 7 (44:32):
Behind a burner?

Speaker 4 (44:33):
Or why do you care?

Speaker 3 (44:34):
Man?

Speaker 5 (44:35):
Like in that spot specifically, you guys just got paid.

Speaker 4 (44:37):
You guys just made it. Why are you worried about
what Mark Henry Junior is saying about you? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (44:44):
Like, if I'm in that spot, I'm probably out on
social media completely or not scrolling at least like that.
It blows my mind how like attentive these guys are
to it. You do get the positive stories though.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Lamar Butler from Kentucky I was tweeting about how he
was like the whole X factor for that team all season.
He like ended up following me and d m me, like,
thanks for talking nice about my son. Likes those things
are are pretty nice, Like that's that's cool to say.
I like, but there's obviously the other side of it
as well.

Speaker 11 (45:11):
But one more question before I did that.

Speaker 10 (45:15):
Yeah, yeah, where does shador go to?

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Like?

Speaker 11 (45:21):
Raiders are here? They're picking six in the fourth. After that,
I don't.

Speaker 5 (45:27):
Thurgh I saw I know DraftKings is promoting Pittsburgh is
the betting favorite for it. I I can't believe that
he's still on the board. I it's got to be
Vegas or Pittsburgh is kind of what it blows down
to me.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
But it was already like why why would Pittsburgh this point?

Speaker 8 (45:42):
They must have a plan, Like Pittsburgh must have a
plan at quarterback right now their cousin, Like they know
they're not going to the season with Mason Rudolph as
their starting quarterback. Even if you don't like prospect, that
would be inexcusable.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
I kind of think Mike Tomlin's just stubborn enough that
he's like, I don't care who's that quarterback. We're going
to go nine to eight, make the playoffs. And it's
kind of worked for him in his defense here. I
kind of think he's that stubborn with it. But there's
got to be something you can't have. Mason Rudolph's QB one.

Speaker 8 (46:10):
I could see him getting undrafted, honestly, I could see
him getting undrafted, and then he has to reprove himself.
And he obviously tanked all his interviews and his arrogance
was really a turn off for a lot of teams.
But he can reprove himself through the undrafted free agent
market and meeting with teams again kind of I don't know,
showing a little more humility that these teams. Obviously, he's

(46:33):
there's a lot of people's sports are yes, but he
is off a lot of teams.

Speaker 7 (46:38):
Boards ye, completely.

Speaker 11 (46:41):
Out at all in the pre draft process at all.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
I think there's six teams to watch for today. For him,
it's Pittsburgh is the obvious one. Vegas who's passed.

Speaker 6 (46:51):
On him like five times already. Probably I'm probably.

Speaker 7 (46:55):
Anti Brady.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, I'm probably less inclined to think that it's Vegas. Dallas.
You can't count Dallas out. I think Dallas. I think
Jerry would draft him before he went on drafted, just
to like to be nice.

Speaker 7 (47:07):
I would love if the Cowboys.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
It would be so funny.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
The Rams. I do think the Rams makes some sense.
The Rams have shown that they like developing that backup
or picking up the reclamation project and trying to trade
them the Jets. You only have Fields. I don't want
that at all, because I just want them to try
to give Fields like a true chance to be the
guy because he's never at it anywhere. And then I'll

(47:31):
throw the Colts. I do think the Colts are someone
that you have to throw in there who are just
desperate for anything right now.

Speaker 6 (47:37):
So yeah, that's that would be where where i'd lean.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Well, I guess out of the first round, just just
the first round. What was your least favorite pick McLay,
What pick happened in the first round that you were like,
what is this really like?

Speaker 11 (47:51):
The Lions? Tyler Williams.

Speaker 10 (47:53):
I like Tyler Williams as a player, but I don't
think you had to get him right there.

Speaker 11 (47:57):
I think you could have waited a little bit for him.

Speaker 10 (47:59):
I'm not saying that he's not going to be a
good player, but he reminds me a lot of Alee McNeil,
and having the same two players on that same line,
it kind of confused me a bit.

Speaker 11 (48:08):
Not saying it was a bad pick, but I.

Speaker 10 (48:09):
Think you could have gotten him maybe in the second round,
maybe traded up later, but I just don't think he
was that first round talent in my eyes.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
I'll say it was a bad pick. I would be
right there for me. My least favorite was Kelvin Banks
at nine. I just that guy got brutalized in some
big moments against Georgia and against some top edge rushers
and taking him ninth like there's so many guys still
on the board. They needed tight like they don't have
a tight end. You could have taken Loveland or Warren
that they could have looked at. They could have looked

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at a lot of guys.

Speaker 6 (48:40):
I really hate it.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
But Nick McClay there he is. You can follow on
Twitter at Nick McClay twenty two. Checkout everything he's got
going on over there with Beef at Beef up Front
as well.

Speaker 6 (48:51):
McLay, thanks for coming on.

Speaker 11 (48:52):
Thank you guys, Thank you guys having going boys.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
You always loved having McClay on to talk all things ANFL,
things draft. Let's take a break and on the other side,
we're switching it over to the hardwood. We're talking all
things hoops and I think I might have to be
a referee here between these two fellas. But Taco Radio
show back after this.

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Speaker 1 (49:43):
First Day's first recipe, suck a phil Welcome back to
the talkcover radio show. Right here. I saw this over.
We're gonna talk NBA playoffs here with Sam Austrie and
Sean Bernard. I did see this, and it's probably not
even worth me pulling up on the screen because it's
so small font, so I'm gonna just read it off.
Jalen Milroe. Uh, it's a shame that he's just not

(50:03):
that talented, because I do think he has like every
intangible you'd want to bet in And this reminds me
so much of Jalen Hurts. It's unbelievable. Jalen Milroe. They
one of the teams asked Jalen what he was really
good at, and then they said what They asked him
what he could get better at, and his answer was
how much time do you have? And the guy goes,
We're sitting there interviewing Jalen Milroe and he's telling us
all the areas that he's working on, to which his

(50:25):
team said to him, are you not concerned pointing out
those things to us would concern us? He basically said
to them, I wasn't in the room, but basically said,
you should be concerned with any guy that comes in
this room who hasn't played it down NFL football and
doesn't tell you that he has weaknesses or that he
isn't working on them. Plus it's an insult because that
means he doesn't think you know how to watch film.
That's like probably the exact option of what shader.

Speaker 7 (50:48):
It's a great answer, it's a great answer.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
It helps me gain a lot of respect for the guy.

Speaker 7 (50:54):
I will say real quick.

Speaker 8 (50:55):
Tom Polisa, I believe is how he pronounce his name
Network Pero. He just reported that the Eagles could be
a sleeper team. Draft quarterback, quarterback back.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
How he takes Day three quarterbacks all the time, it's
day three. I don't think they take him in the fourth.

Speaker 8 (51:16):
It would have to be like really late, like he's
still sitting in there in the sixth.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
If they have a sixth rounder.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
He doesn't bother me. It wouldn't bother me. I believe
in how he and the team to kind of handle that,
and I think he Jalen would probably be great for Shador.
I think that my buddy was pitching it as one
good preseason game and you recoup the value if someone
gets hurt. Potentially that is something. If you get him

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in the Philadelphia system and everybody obviously thinks how he's
a genius. You know, every pick he makes the entire
NFL like loses their minds about and talks about how
smart he is. So if he were to guy, if
he were the guy to annoint Shador and say, you
guys are all wrong, we don't even need him, and
we're gonna take him. And then you get two months
of good press coming out of Eagles OTAs and training camp,

(52:02):
and you get all that, and then he has a
good preseason game and uh, you know, JJ McCarthy gets
hurt and they want to trade a third round pick
for for Shudre. So that's the kind of thing where
I do get that.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
I do.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
That was his pitch, and I thought it was a
good one, and maybe there's more value in doing that
than anything else you could do in like the fifth round.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
It's probably I just I just don't think the juice
is worth the squeeze is.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
The way I just pure value eise I see the
case for sure.

Speaker 5 (52:33):
But then we got to do the whole shar Sanders
dance of all the cameras and like, for I just
we've done this with Jalen Hurts already.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
On the other side of this.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
You're laying out the point of why people aren't drafting this.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Guy, we're talking about the defending.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
Quarterback.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
It was like, so like what Sam was saying, you're right,
I want to take a chance. Yeah, you're right.

Speaker 5 (52:57):
But if the Jet I guess January, like if I'm
any of these teams that like wan a buzz or
like the Eagles are a different category. They're the super
Bowl champions with Jalen Hurds Like I I it's different
for me talking about the Eagles than just a run
of the mill NFL team.

Speaker 8 (53:12):
It's all Another report that came out to which is
a good point, is that teams are actually more inclined
to draft him today because they know they're getting a
humbledor Sanders who was a lot to improve. Yeah, who
could be really good for me. Similar with the Luca thing,
that's to go keep going back to Luca thing. But
in a way like that Luca trade was good because
it humbled him a little bit. All these negative reports

(53:33):
came out about him have some humility, maybe his work ethic.
Maybe he was sick, you an illness, he had a
stomach virus, who was throwing up all day?

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Mark, I didn't know that.

Speaker 5 (53:44):
I will say to defend him a little before we
dive into it. It did one of those pan over
to the bench to Luca. He had the hood up.
I saw the look on his face and I was like, oh,
I recognize that that sick look like and like he
didn't play well, but he wasn't awful off wat Bear.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I was in and out of that game, and I
watched a good portion of the second half.

Speaker 6 (54:02):
But Lebron, let's let's start with that.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
Let's start with that series. Let's start with the Lakers
and the Teas. Let's move over to the NBA. I
think the Lakers are going to lose this series. I
said going into that game, the winner, I said, the
winner of this game is going to the Western Conference Finals.
And I still believe that. And now I think that's Minnesota,
and that breaks my heart because I hate Anthony Edwards
and I'm a Lebron Luca guy and I have Anthony Edwards.

(54:27):
I don't want to dive into it. I don't want to.

Speaker 7 (54:31):
I haven't heard it, so I feel like we have
to dive into it.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
I think he's the most immature human being to ever
become a superstar athlete in American professional sport.

Speaker 7 (54:40):
So as a person more as a basketball Yeah, Look,
I can't.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
I actually love him as a basketball player.

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Yeah, all right, well I can't. I can't three that.

Speaker 8 (54:48):
I mean, I mean, what am I going to do
defend someone who has like eight different children with eight eight.

Speaker 4 (54:53):
Yeah, I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
That's a portion of it. But it's more about how
he carries himself and how he handles and stuff. And honestly,
it's actually less about him, and it's more about how
the media talks about him and treats him as opposed
to the rest of the superstars, and every other superstar
gets torn down and picked the part. And you know,
we're talking about Lebron being a bad guy, and it's
like it's been twenty one years in the league and

(55:16):
he's never had like a controversy worth actually talking about
his personal you know whatever. It's not a Lebron thing
at all. It's just it's actually more of like a
Joel thing than anything. Like Joelle I think is like
a genuinely good person. And if you went to NBA
Twitter when you know he's having his bad moments or
he's losing in the playoffs, you would think he's, you know,

(55:37):
a third world dictator. And then you have Anthony Edwards
when he went out last year in a Game seven
and did nothing, And when he went out last year
and got you know, slapped around by Dallas and Luca
and was clearly the worst player on the court. Nobody
set up peep the court. No, no, no, he was Luca.

Speaker 8 (55:59):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he's really good. He's a
top ten player. I believe him as a player.

Speaker 4 (56:04):
Act.

Speaker 8 (56:04):
I'm not going to defend the person, but I do
actually think he's been a good leader, which doesn't necessarily
mean he's a good personal but I think he's been
a really good leader for this Wolves team, especially incorporating
Joyce Randall into into the offense later in the season.
So I think he's been really good from that perspective.
I'm not going to argue about the person.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
I didn't even want to get into this.

Speaker 8 (56:21):
This is just I was giving lead a.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Team to the Western Conference finals, but I was saying
I can't stand to say it, but I think it's
what's gonna happen unfortunately, Sean. Let me let me pitch
it to you. Am I overreacting to Game three.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
I think you are mark that I I think this
is a series, like I think we all kind of
knew this going in that this was going to be
a battle. Like the t Wolves, they're not going to
roll over and for all a lot of the comments
you've said about Anthony, but he's not afraid. That's one
thing that clar is. He's gonna go toe to toe
with anybody, look everyone in the eye. And like that
was the story last night of he he regardless of
who's on the floor with him, he thinks he's the

(56:58):
best player there and that's part of what makes him
so talented, and he was last night. I mean, Lebron
was excellent as well. I also like Julius Randall has
been a difference maker in this series.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
Man, it's really impressively.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
I can't figure out still why I have like a
soft spot for Julius Randall, but I really do like
appreciate that he brings it, he tries, and he's been
impactful in this series Game two especially, and I thought
last night he was really good too.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
But I do think Lakers evening's up.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
I do think Luca was like notably sick and not
himself last night, and I think that this were probably
buckled up for a seven game series.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
But I still think the Lakers are coming home with this.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
Sam My overreacting.

Speaker 7 (57:32):
Yeah, I'm with Sean.

Speaker 8 (57:32):
I think you are over reacting too, and I think
this is going seven. So I don't think you can
really inter and I thought that before the series, So
I don't think you can really react or overreact to
one particular game. What's been interesting for me in this
series is the others. It's the others that are getting
it done. For the Wolves, I mean, and has been
great or like pretty good in most of the games,
I would say, but it's really like there's some coverages

(57:52):
that the Lakers are throwing at him, especially when they're
morphed into that zone when he touches the ball, that
is very kind of throwing him off a little bit.
But it's like what Shaun just said with Julius Randall,
the guy who was notoriously horrible in the playoffs, and
there were some asterisks attached to that a little bit
because the first his first playoff roum with the Knicks,
he was the best player on the floor or for
his team. He's never gonna be the best player on
the team. The second run, he was very hurt. I mean,

(58:15):
he was playing through a real injury when they lost
to that Heat Heat team. Eventually that made the finals,
So it was a little bit of an asterisk. And
how much grief people gave Julius randel Fran how bad
he had been in the playoffs. But he's been awesome
this season. I think this season end series, you gotta
time out. You want a twenty or full mark twenty.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
All right, Draft Draft, Cat Draft Giants. The Giants have
selected Cam Skataboo. That's a fun that's a fun, exciting
day three pick there for the Giants. I will give
him credit to.

Speaker 4 (58:46):
Replacement.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Uh, it might be two names, two names that I
two names I really like there in terms of Twoton
and scataby were going on Day three. But let's take
a quick break and on the other side, we'll be
back breaking down more of the NBA playoffs.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
If you can wager on it, we're talking about it.
It's The Gambler.

Speaker 1 (59:23):
Welcome best to the Tough Cover radio show right here
on Fox Sports The Gambler and streaming on the Fox
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technical difficulties, Thanks Elon. Maybe I think we might be back.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I think we might be back we're back.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Thanks for going, Sorry, sorry for sorry for saying something negative.
Let's get back into the NBA draft or NBA draft.
We can talk, thanks, but let's get into first actually
NBA draft. Jace richardson Sam Austrey. What's your take like him?

Speaker 7 (59:54):
Don't love him? You love him?

Speaker 4 (59:58):
Mark loved him?

Speaker 6 (59:58):
Yeah, I love him?

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
What do you love about him?

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
You look at what he did in the last I
forget the exact amount of stress, eleven to fifteen games.
That eleven to fifteen games when he fully got kind
of given the keys, I felt like to be as
aggressive as he wanted to be. He was even more efficient,
taking more shots and taking a bigger role in the offense.
It was also like ninety percent of those games were
against Big ten competition. I think there is a ton

(01:00:26):
of Jared McCain with Jase Richardson.

Speaker 7 (01:00:29):
Interesting.

Speaker 8 (01:00:30):
I mean, he is he does shoot over forty percent
from three, so he's a really good three point shooter.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
Let me try to find that stat while you're talking.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
Yes, he texted it to me.

Speaker 8 (01:00:38):
See he's a really good three point shooting shoots over
forty percent from three. But I don't know, it's just
like it feels like it's more like more like spot
up shooting than it is. Like there's just something about
him where the scoring wasn't there for the entire season
and he did develop in the last ten to fifteen
games or so, but throughout the entire season it wasn't
really there that I think is a good prospect.

Speaker 7 (01:00:59):
I'm not like raving about.

Speaker 5 (01:01:01):
That's pretty much how I feel as well. I like him,
don't love him.

Speaker 4 (01:01:04):
I could.

Speaker 5 (01:01:05):
I haven't solidified how I feel about my board, and
I certainly will be diving into that in these coming weeks.
Kind of been waiting till after the lottery so I
can have my my full expectations and sort of look
at it from that angle there. But like I, there's
something about McCain with like the form that was just
so repeatable, the off ball motion that really sold it
to me that I don't really see with Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:01:23):
Granted he's probably you could talk yourself into him being
a better creator with the ball in his hand and
these kind of things.

Speaker 4 (01:01:28):
He was good.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
I certainly am not out on him, but I was
surprised to hear you as in and as hyping them
up as you are. Mark, You're where you have one
your your top right now my mistake four?

Speaker 4 (01:01:38):
Okay, basic.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Flag Ace Harper. I'm higher on a most and I
don't like. I don't like yeah, and it seems like
there's no middle ground for a everybody's out or in.
I think I'm I'm probably more in the middle than
people think I am. But I'm always just more giving
for wings in general and more picky for guards. I
think there's a dearth of wings who can create or

(01:02:07):
not create, who can create for themselves and can defend
and can possibly shoot, whereas guards. There are so many
talented guards there. I if you're a guard who can't shoot,
I want no parts. Like Jeremiah Fears goodbye and good
luck having I like, have a nice have a nice
career in Europe, Like I, I think that there's and

(01:02:28):
you know, Scoot is turning it around, so maybe he's
Maybe I was wrong about Scoot. I don't know. It
reminds me of the Brandon Miller Scoot thing so often
when it comes down to these like forward versus wing things,
where people were pitching Brandon Miller as a total bust
and pitching Scoot as you know the next the names
were insane with scoot for a guy who couldn't shoot

(01:02:48):
at all, And I.

Speaker 8 (01:02:50):
Do think I do think there's something to be said
about it takes longer for guards to develop than does
wings because wings, you're just more like people are setting
the table for you and you're getting your shots. Obviously
you have to be a good creator as a wing,
but your people really setting the table for you. When
you're a guard, it's most harder to figure out the
reads and and mind the game. Not to use that podcast,

(01:03:12):
but really like think the game because because all these
different coverages that the especially in the pick and roll
coverages that have become so elaborate among NBA defenses. So
I think it's really harder to develop as a guard
and it just takes longer. But if you want a
short term gain, like a guy who's gonna make an
media impact, I think that's when you go with a wing,
and I think you're seeing that with the number one
pick last year, Zakari Risus Shar. I definitely botch that

(01:03:34):
name like I always do, but he he's he had
a really great season and that I think the Hawks
just wanted in a really bad draft a win now guard,
and I excuse me, a wing win now wing, and
he's had that impact.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
To me, it's less about that, It's more just about
like I think, like the fifteenth best wing, the fifteenth
best small forward, just in terms of like overall value
is so much worse than the fifteenth best point guard,
Like rank the point guards and tell me like the
fifteenth best point guards and unbelievable player, Like there's just
so much, so many guards. Whereas if I'm gonna take Ace,

(01:04:09):
I think I have a way better chance at getting
a top five wing than I do taking Harper at
getting a top ten guard. And that's less about Harper
versus Ace, and more just about not a lot of
people that are six' ten that that can do What ace.
Does and there's a lot of people who are six
foot to six five who can do somewhat of What harper.
Does AND i don't see like the hardened, Stuff LIKE

(01:04:30):
i have a buddy who Loves harper and he's Throwing
harden at. Me harper shot like.

Speaker 6 (01:04:33):
Thirty three percent from, Three LIKE i don't think he's
a great.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Shooter AND i Know harden PROBABLY i don't know what
he did At Arizona state in terms of his three point,
shooting BUT i Think harden is a much better shooter
Than harper. Is SO i don't want to spend too
much time on the. Draft but any any other Name
sam the outside of that big top, three who's kind
of like your.

Speaker 7 (01:04:52):
Guy you know What i'm gonna, Say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
Marylyn take Out Derek. QUEEN i make That Derek. QUEEN
i don't Thing i'm in or out On. QUEEN i
Think i'm, LIKE i THINK i have him, ninth SO
i Think i'm like right around probably where he's gonna. Go.

Speaker 7 (01:05:06):
Consensus, YEAH i Like Trey johnson a.

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
Lot obviously he's gonna go top five, probably BUT i
do like. HIM i think he's a good. Prospect there's Some.

Speaker 4 (01:05:14):
I'm Just Trey. Johnson Trey.

Speaker 7 (01:05:16):
Johnson, OH i Love Trey.

Speaker 1 (01:05:17):
Johnson, YEAH i HAVE i haven't.

Speaker 5 (01:05:19):
FIFTH i like him more THAN i like him for The.
Sixers i'll throw that out. There i'm with you on.

Speaker 8 (01:05:24):
THAT i do think it'd get a Little The sexers
don't need that position right now and that type of.
Play BUT i think he's gonna be a really good.
Player another another guard that might take a little bit
to figure. Out but there are some international Prospects i'm
starting to dive. Into like this is the time of
YEAR i really start diving in the, draft usually like Early.
May by the time it rolls around In, june there's
some international, prospects a couple of guys In, germany a

(01:05:46):
couple of guys From france who like recently, declared and
that's why I've i've once they officially, declared it's, like all,
right start diving. In so it's gonna be an interesting.
Draft it's gonna be way better than last. Year and
it's not just top. Heavy there's gonna be depth in this.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Draft so in the LAST i JUST i wanted to
wrap this up BEFORE i. Forget in the last fifteen
games this year For Jace, richardson he averaged seventeen, points
four and a half rebounds to. Assist and he did
that on forty seven forty two eighty two, shooting taking
five threes a. Game and if you look At jared McCain's,

(01:06:20):
stats it's pretty, close like it's pretty close to what
he did, it. Dude and ALSO i don't want to
bore everybody listing off the. TWEET i just resent Scham
bernard because And, sam but it's a guy From Free wave.
Three he's like an analytical. Guy but it's just Comparing
jason McCain's. College they're spot up THEIR p AND r ball,

(01:06:42):
handler their transition like, points pro, procession things like. That
there's a lot of. Like and by the, way not
to toot my own, horn WHICH i hate. DOING i
hate tooting my Own but nobody was higher On jared
McCain in the, WORLD i would say THAN i was
around this time last. Year, LIKE i thought that guy
should have went top five last. YEAR i liked him
more Than Red, shepherd who went. THIRD i think that

(01:07:05):
they were like pretty similar prospects THAT i didn't get
Why reid got like the huge jump up when McCain fell.
Down BUT i think there's a lot OF i THINK
i like McCain more THAN i Like, jason BUT i
think there's a lot of. Similarities He's i've been saying
he's He's jerry McCain without.

Speaker 4 (01:07:21):
The, zests AND i will back. Up mark was very vote.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:07:26):
Uh mark was very vocal about The chared McCain love
at the. Time he's absolutely right about it because that
dude's gonna be a. Stud AND i still think people
are underselling how impactful he's gonna be next.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
Year he was straight awesome during the brief period that
he was.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
Here and speaking Of duke, Products i'm starting to become
a little continent pilled here.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
That six seven can shoot.

Speaker 5 (01:07:44):
IT i think there's something there that's speaking about like
a high floor guy THAT i, think at minimum is
gonna be like a good quality starter or at worst
like a rotational.

Speaker 4 (01:07:52):
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Speaker 8 (01:07:55):
LOVE i Love conkin because we didn't just See he's
obviously a phenomenal. Shooter we know the, shooter but he
also was a great playmaker and a great, passer especially
in those Two duke. GAMES i think you can really
find out a lot from that when when they Were
duke was Missing cooper flag in that uh in THAT acc.

Speaker 7 (01:08:11):
Tournament SO i really love what we.

Speaker 8 (01:08:13):
Saw konkanible is a playmaker and as a, passer and
he's a pretty good, handle underrated handle THAT i don't
know he showcased as much as he could have throughout
the year just because of the star power On. Duke
But i'm a, huge huge conkinentbal. Fan he should go Seven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
Trey Or Khan.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Trey for, Me I'm, trey.

Speaker 7 (01:08:31):
BUT i could be convinced. Otherwise it's not like Strong.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Treys by the, way this is just overall. Y, yeah, yeah,
YEAH i think con is going to be in my
top five when things are so wow. WOW i THINK
i have him seventh or. Eighth malaak Con.

Speaker 7 (01:08:45):
Con I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
I'm not convinced on him that that was really, scared
that physicality really bothered.

Speaker 7 (01:08:56):
Him he never rebound the entire.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Game, yeah that it was. CRAZY i do think the
rest of the tape besides that game, like it's pretty
easy to see the exact like right away role for.

Speaker 7 (01:09:06):
Him and this, CEILING i agree with.

Speaker 8 (01:09:09):
YOU i think he'll come and have an immediate, impact
just as like a Rim Runner Grim protector type OF
i like ceiling place for those, guys and those guys
will fit into to offenses pretty seamlessly if you have
the right piece around. Them but there's a ceiling for
those guys Like Kan kinnipple's ceiling is so much higher than.
This conkin could become a legitimate like ALL nba. GUY
i know that sounds crazy right, now but he.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
YEAH i don't see. THAT i DON'T i think if
you're Picking, khan the absolute ceiling that you're hoping for
Is franz right.

Speaker 7 (01:09:39):
Better, shoot way better shoot?

Speaker 4 (01:09:41):
Now, yeah way better right? Now is better shooter Than
franz straight?

Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
Up, yeah you. Know i'm not A franz, guy So i'm,
not But I'M. I i think there's a lot bigger
of a chance He's Corey kispert than He's.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
FRANZ i think you can hold up defensively like way
better Than kisper it ever. Could like there's to, me
like there's some stuff to con as far as like gets,
intangibles and we got A Mark Henry junior reaction was,
THAT i assume that Was Darius garland being ruled.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Out Dean walker to The Buffalo, bills my, dog my,
guy my number twenty one overall. PLAYER i had him
like seven a couple of months. Ago BUT i Love Dean.
Walker had to bring that. Up one last one last
con QUESTION vj or or two MORE vj or.

Speaker 4 (01:10:23):
Khn Con BUT i LIKE vj a.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
Lot i'm talking myself in ON.

Speaker 5 (01:10:26):
VJ i like, him, man he's he's like he's got
Some Anthony edwards level athleticism to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:32):
Him like that dude, glides he. Floats that's really.

Speaker 1 (01:10:35):
Impressive and then one last one AND i know where
you guys are gonna both go here con Or jokai
Con con for, SURE i think the upside For jockajunas
is really. HIGH a six to six guard who can
shoot like, that who can create like.

Speaker 6 (01:10:51):
That for, others there's some, questions for, sure BUT i think.

Speaker 5 (01:10:55):
He's he fits to me, that, like you're gonna get
a different version of that guy every game you.

Speaker 4 (01:10:59):
Watch HOW i feel about tracking? It it was that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
SITUATION I i think someone should make a documentary about
this Year's illinois. Season it was the most insane college
basketball Season i've ever. Watched like them in the non
con they were. Incredible they had game obviously lost To
duke by one, hundred and then they came back out
and got hot in The Big ten after, that and
then like but they had like three different. Illnesses they
had like a rumor of mono going, around like what

(01:11:25):
an insane season For? Illinois like that should have been?
It and what what do they do in the? Tournament?
Illinois where did they end? Up they won their first, game.

Speaker 7 (01:11:32):
They, believe, Right, YEAH i believe that should have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Been a more talented. Team and the Reason i'm kind
of sticking on that my guy outside of like the big,
TOP i think there's like a pretty consensus top nine or.
TEN i guess outside of, that the GUY i bet
on Is Will. RILEY i really Like Will. RILEY i
think he's a wing is probably GONNA i think he's
actually rising up boards to the teams WHICH i. PREDICTED
i would love to go back and find that CLIP i.

(01:11:58):
Said this is the type of guy that during the
draft process always kind of finds his way off the
board as a freshman doing what he was able to,
do only started nine. GAMES i actually feel like he
didn't get enough on his plate early. On he's another
one of those guys who down the stretch really really leveled.

Speaker 8 (01:12:12):
Up here's one of those guys who dealt with that
that illness that you're talking.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
About, yeah, yeah that seasons so. Weird it almost makes
me want to be higher on these guys because of
what the moments that they did. Show But Will riley
is a GUY i would, love, love, love love in
the middle of the middle of the first round for you,
know a contending team or you know a play in type. Team,
yeah over the last it's kind Of over the last fifteen,

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games he averaged sixteen to five and three and forty
eight percent shooting from the, field thirty five percent shooting
from three on volume, attempts seventy seven percent through free throw.
Shooting the question with him is the. Defense there's like
not a lot to grasp. ONTO i think is a
pretty good. Athlete So illinois might just be a weird.

(01:12:58):
SITUATION i don't. Know i'm willing to buy. THAT i
think he's AN NFL, nfl.

Speaker 7 (01:13:05):
He's AN nba Still day, Three, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:09):
Illinois for the, record we're bounced By kentucky in the.
Tournament it's not the most embarrassing exit by any means
THERE i. DO i did want to Know Darius garland
officially ruled out for this heat Versus calves. Game, Big
what is The how notable is that to you? Guys
and do you like? ME i think it's pretty weak
sauce that this man's calling Out tyler here and then.

Speaker 8 (01:13:26):
Missing, yeah come, on you can't call Out Tyler hero
and Then Tyler roll calls him back out and be,
like we're also targeting you. Defensively why do you think
you're some defensive stud And i'm Sure Tyler roe was
excited for that.

Speaker 7 (01:13:37):
Matchup AND i Love Tyler. Hero become a Huge Tyler hero.

Speaker 8 (01:13:39):
Fan he's been awesome this Year All, star his First
All star, appearance and it was really great in the
in the play and in the playoffs he has been as.
Well SO i think it's a pretty big. DEAL i, mean,
still the calves are still they have so much, Depth
like that's the. Thing like Ty, jerome he's gonna have
an elevated, role and he's just been. Awesome like they
have so much depth and there's so much better than The.
HEAT i don't think it's going to only impact the
game that, much but it is something that someone to

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watch move.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
FORWARD i it sucks for me because my best bet
today is over to twelve and a. Half Catch heat
down to two eleven and a half now after that,
News SO i imagine that probably keeps going down in
the next twenty five. Minutes it ends at like two oh,
eight and then it'll finish at two oh, nine And
i'll lose the bet because of the TIME i placed.
It BUT i still do like. It you look at
the first two, games they both flew way over this

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number two thirty three and two twenty, one and those
games are also, blowout so like the last couple of
minutes of those games were dribbling it out, basically and
they still went way over those. Totals you imagine In,
miami if you're gonna get a closer, game this is
probably the, one like this. Is this is probably the
game where it gets real close and the last couple
of minutes or maybe some fouls and things like.

Speaker 6 (01:14:45):
That SO i always like to say close games.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
Helpovers so give me the. OVER i obviously like it
more to an eleven and a. Half i'd like it
still Without, Garland.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Yeah don't mind that at.

Speaker 5 (01:14:57):
ALL i ALSO i do like heros points today and
you can get at plus one eighty for him to score,
thirty WHICH i think is worth of taking a dab.
At i'm in agreement With sam that here has proved
a lot to me this season. OVERALL i was a
LITTLE i don't want to say a skeptic of him
BECAUSE i was a Yeah mark was, there but like
he's been legitimately, good AND i think Added layers is
a playmaker this, year and he's been, better like a

(01:15:18):
more complete basketball player THAN i thought he was really
capable of growing. Into so The heat are gonna have
some questions to. ANSWER i also share some love To Davion.
Mitchell man has been straight up. Awesome so This heat,
team If i'm not rolling them, out them stealing one, today.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Clear, eyes full, hearts can't. Lose shout out To rob
Great Matt, sarrison one of the GREAT tv.

Speaker 7 (01:15:38):
Characters of all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Time, legend, legend Love Matt. SARASON i Need Matt Sarrison,
jersey come to think of. It, okay see At. Memphis,
okay see favored by fifteen and a. Half no job
ran any value here.

Speaker 7 (01:15:51):
Either, okay S he's my favorite player of the, DAY
i think.

Speaker 8 (01:15:56):
Coming off with to a horrible start last game when
they were trailing by almost thirty in that game against
Against memphis the other, night they are going to boat
Race memphis because without JOB i mean this, OFFENSE i,
mean if you look at their actually their offensive rating
and the record Without jobs pretty, good surprisingly good this,
season and they've held up without, him but it's still
he just brings a completely different layer and dynamic to

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the offense against the best defense in the, league which
is the thunder coming off of performance where they did
not look. GREAT i, mean they came back obviously in
a great second half With chet was just, incredible but
they came out with a really slow. Start SO i
look at this first. Half but, okay see is my
favorite player the. DAY i think they win by twenty
five to.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
Thirty, Sean, YEAH i think stick a fork In. Memphis
that it's over and for what it's, WORTH i don't
want to hear any of the lou dirty play stuff
because it just. Wasn't i'm, like you can see him,
slipping AND i don't know what you wanted to do
in that spot when you're dropping it off the joy
as he attempts to posterize the guy, LIKE i don't get.

Speaker 1 (01:16:51):
That in, FACT i haven't seen the. Play if you
can find the, Play i'll react to it live on.

Speaker 4 (01:16:57):
Air, YEAH i can do that for. Sure.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Everyone i've seen like fifteen people talk about the play
And i've never actually seen the. Play on My twitter,
Again i've been in a Hyper barrack draft chamber for three,
days so that is.

Speaker 4 (01:17:11):
Fair i'm finding it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Now AS i send it to, YOU i go on
to the Next i'll move on to the next game
BEFORE i look at that And i'll throw it to, you,
Guys denver.

Speaker 6 (01:17:20):
At THE La Clippers clippers six and a half point.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Favorite that's a big.

Speaker 4 (01:17:24):
NUMBER i think they cover it. Too.

Speaker 5 (01:17:26):
WOW i THINK i feel a little bit sympathetic For,
jokic Which i've never really said, before with like the
supporting cast around. Them but we're Talking Aaron gordon talking
about how he can't even really jump with his calf,
Injury Michael Porter junior with a legitimate shoulder. INJURY i just, think, Yeah,
mark with the live, reaction you, agreement completely fair.

Speaker 1 (01:17:45):
Game he's going after one guy and turns around and clearly.

Speaker 6 (01:17:48):
Slips, yeah that's not dirty at.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
All, yeah so.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Mm.

Speaker 5 (01:17:54):
Hmm but as far as The clippers And, NUGGETS i
just think there's too many ways where This clippers team
can beat. THEM i don't see it with the other,
guys AND i think there's gonna have to be some serious.
Evaluations it feels a little bit like The chiefs With Patrick,
mahomes That denver's leaned Into jokic is gonna elevate whoever
we put around. Him that you kind of forget putting
your best player in the best position to succeed.

Speaker 4 (01:18:15):
HERE i think The clippers are built for.

Speaker 5 (01:18:17):
IT i think that into A dome has some legitimate
buzz in a way that, like is really cool to.

Speaker 4 (01:18:21):
SEE i think The clippers can sneaky.

Speaker 9 (01:18:23):
Roll.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Today The eagles have made a draft. Pick Ty, robinson
defensive lineman From, nebraska was there for six. YEARS i
SO i actually like. THIS i didn't rank him in
my top one, hundred but he was one of the
guys that was just outside of it WHO i was
looking at putting into.

Speaker 6 (01:18:38):
It dives Mister krockpot On twitter loves this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:41):
Guy he did their seven sacks last year At nebraska
sixty six defensive, tackle so pretty big sack production coming
from The big. TEN i get. IT i like. IT
i like that. Pick seems like it makes a lot of.
Sense de tackle gonna need rotational guys. There Jordan davis
is too fat to play twenty, snaps so, No i'm.
JOKING i am joking EVEN i am A Jordan davis,
hater AND i was, right AS i have been about

(01:19:03):
Every eagles major draft pick for like four years.

Speaker 7 (01:19:06):
Now but he does. HORN i don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
HARD i hate people who do. THAT i HATE i
hate people who brag about the things they get right or.
Wrong you, KNOW i would never come on this program
and tell people THAT i Had Cooper degen as MY
cv one last year and a top ten player LIKE
i would never come on this program and SAY i
Had quinnyon in the top. FIFTEEN i would never come
on this program and say That Devonte smith was number
one on My Eagles Big board that. Year ACTUALLY i

(01:19:31):
shouldn't say, that because there's Like Jamar chase And Jalen
waddle that year. Too but AND i would never come
on this program and say THAT i Had Jalen carter
as a top three player overall in that. Class so you,
KNOW i just don't like people who brag about. That
Marquis marquie Drass i and not to break out the
sixer side of, things But i've Been i've been pretty

(01:19:52):
good there, too on McCain on a couple of these.
OTHERS i Hated zi year years and years.

Speaker 4 (01:19:58):
Ago JUST i still that's a what if to.

Speaker 1 (01:20:02):
Me never let a hundred pounds that guy was bad
at basketball in. COLLEGE a theoretical basketball, Players Ziere smith
was like the ultimate in theory basketball, player but, uh
we're stall. Hunting, yeah, Anyway And sam DID i throw
it to you For Denver clippers?

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Today?

Speaker 7 (01:20:20):
No so this is this IS i, mean this spread is.

Speaker 8 (01:20:22):
Tough BUT i will, say like To sean's, point which
what he was finishing up was that he doesn't have any.
Help like that's why they fired a big reason why
they fired their coach IN ngm and are starting fresh
because it's just been disastrous and in terms of in
terms of building that roster and acquiring personnel and letting
a lot of key pieces to That championshipron a couple
of years, ago walk In Bruce brown And Contavious, Coldwell

(01:20:44):
pope and. Others and this year he's having a horrible.
Year just he's been awful for The. Magic it was
supposed to be one of the best for agent. Signings
it's just been. Awful jokis has no help throughout the,
season but he really has no help right. Now Michael
Porter junior was one of my biggest concerns coming into
the playoffs and now and he's been awful and now
he's hurt and he can like his. Shoulder Aaron gordon

(01:21:06):
is incredibly hurt and that's like noticeable out. There Jamal
murray's actually been pretty productive he hasn't made anything. Special
it just comes down, to Like jokic number, One zubach
is the best defender On jokic out of. ANYONE i,
mean look at a. Stature so The nuggets have scored
only nineteen points on thirty three isolations of post ups
By jokic When zubek is the defender and The clippers
have only doubled only once on all those thirty three.

Speaker 7 (01:21:30):
Plays they're never doubling. Him they're putting him in single.

Speaker 8 (01:21:32):
Coverage and usually the plan, is all, right Put jokic
in single, coverage let him, cook but you're not gonna
let the others beat. You and that's that's a plan
that we've seen work throughout over the last couple of.
Years there said they're not doubling at, all or they're
putting jokicen single coverage On zubach and letting and not,
doubling and it's actually not That jokic is cooking or
having some super productive. Series zubach has held his. GROUND i,

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Mean jokic is still gonna get his like he obviously
still at a triple double the. Night he's gonna have
thirty point. Performances but you want to make those shots,
difficult and you can live with. That you still want
them going off for absurd point. Totals And zubos has
done an awesome job Guarding. Joki it's Just jokis doesn't
have enough help right.

Speaker 7 (01:22:11):
Now he just. Doesn't and that's what it comes down.

Speaker 8 (01:22:13):
To that's what it came down to last, year and
it's what it's going to come down to this year
against A clippers team that was playing as good as
anyone in THE nba coming into the. Playoffs Kawhi leonard
is as good as anybody in THE nba right. Now
he really is playing at that. Level and their supporting
cast is, better and that's what it comes down. To
so this is a tough game tonight just because The
clippers obviously just blew out The, nuggets and you expect

(01:22:33):
The nuggets to come. BACK i just don't think they
have enough right. Now they're, hurt they have an interim
coach who's not going to be there next. Year it
just feels like The clippers may wrap this one up.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
Early do The clippers have a chance AGAINST i.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
DO i think you have any. CHANCE i think that's
at least a six game.

Speaker 5 (01:22:49):
Series This clippers team is like legitimately good, Man, Like
i'm buying in that they're on both sides of the. Ball,
defensively they've reached a level WHICH i didn't think was.

Speaker 4 (01:22:57):
Possible here go, Ahead mark.

Speaker 1 (01:22:59):
ONE i was just putting the one up For Uno.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
Uno, yeah, yeah, NO i hear.

Speaker 5 (01:23:03):
You but LIKE i made this point, TOO i think
This clippers team is built to sustain the highs and
lows Of harden in a way that it's never been
the case in other parts of his, career like him
not having to be the, guy Which kawhi still, is
and Like game two was a perfect example Of kauhi
just absolutely taking over and dominating in that. One and like,
LIKE i think they can. Survive there will be Bad harden,

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games there will be a Great harden. Game there's still
gonna be one of. Those So i'm buying in on These.

Speaker 8 (01:23:28):
CLIPPERS i might pick The clippers to beat The, thunder,
Honestly And i've been saying The thunder going to the
finals all, year AND i have a future on The,
clippers AND i thought The clippers could get past this.

Speaker 7 (01:23:36):
Series there was a legitimate chance they could be The.

Speaker 8 (01:23:38):
Thunder The clippers are Playing LIKE i just, said they're
playing as well as anybody in THE, nba and they
have the matchups just strictly perimeter defenders to match up
against The. Thunder like you Throw Chris stunn out, there
you Throw Derek jones out. There we know what kawhis,
defender and he's back to defending at a high. Level
James harding's is probably having the best defensive season his

(01:24:00):
career Under Jeff Van gundy right. Now they have so
many guys to throw At shay And jalen And. Chet of,
Course zubos is gonna do a good job On, chet
And zubos does a pretty good job.

Speaker 7 (01:24:10):
Of recording in space too and moving his.

Speaker 8 (01:24:12):
Feet SO i think This clippers team is a legitimate
chance Because Kawhi leonard is also gonna be the best
player in that. Series like you can say what you
want About shay THE mvp of the, League Kawhi leonard
will be the best player in that series and the
best playoff perform in that. Series who's been, there done.
THAT i think This clippers team is a really, good
really good. CHANCE i think it goes seven and look
the thunder of the better, team And thunder it has

(01:24:32):
been so good defensively that they could shut down The
thunder or excuse, me could shut down The.

Speaker 7 (01:24:37):
Clippers but This clippers team is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:39):
Awesome, YEAH i think it's a seven game. SERIES i
can't wait for that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
One, Yeah Hartenstein vusuba is gonna be very fun, too
by the, way that's that'll be an interesting little clash
on the interior to two guys THAT i think are
have climbed up to the better big man in the
league conversation with how they. Played AND i do think
that's the series where Shake Gildas, alexander that's where he
really earns his. Stripes so we get to see is
THIS sga buzz this m V p one of the
best players in the. League let's see where you really stack.

(01:25:05):
Up that's gonna be the series WHERE i think that
starts to get figured.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Out and then the last game of the. Night my
my other bet on THE nba, TONIGHT i got The
warriors at minus three two un to, Play SO i
don't like it as much as the over in The cavs.
Game BUT i think a lot of the Reason Golden
state lost game too is Because jimmy wasn't, There SO
i think it easy.

Speaker 7 (01:25:26):
There, yeah, tonight that's the. Question so the wars are favorite.
Here it's very very.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
Suspicious that's kind of WHAT i figured he.

Speaker 8 (01:25:35):
Was well Because sean said he was in serious doubt to,
play but now he's. Questionable it's IT'S i, mean the
whole game comes down to If jimmy's. Playing Because i'm with,
you The warriors can and will win probably.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
With JIM i do think also The warriors would have
a chance to. WIN i think They i'd probably pick
them to win Without jimmy on home on home court
For game three after some rest For. Steph they haven't
played since like Since tuesday Or wednesday, off so, yeah
two full Days. Wednesday, YEAH i know it's been a.
While SO i always think that Helps steph And lebron

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and the older kind of generation with those multiple days
off in the. Playoffs SO i Think, steph we're actually,
like maybe that's a way to bet. It regardless Of.
JIMMY i think we get a Big steph game here
tonight where it's, like, oh There's Steph, Curry like we
haven't had that. YET i feel like through the first
two games at, all SO i Know houston's done a
good job defending, him BUT i think a couple of

(01:26:30):
days off will do him.

Speaker 8 (01:26:30):
Well the problem is that When steph or When jimmy
isn't in the, Lineup steph has to do so. Much
and here's no brief like that's What jimmy brings is
not just When steph's off the, court and you can
have a lineup With jimmy running the. Show but even
When steph's on the, court you can put them off
the ball more and you so much more relief playing Alongside.

Speaker 7 (01:26:47):
Jimmy so what is this?

Speaker 1 (01:26:48):
Line is it based On jimmy? Playing is it based
On jimmy not? Playing is it fifty to? Fifty is
this a line that's going to move down to pick
him If jimmy doesn't plays it and move up to six?

Speaker 5 (01:26:58):
Ish maybe not six, Ish BUT i think it moves
either direction based on the availability Of jimmy in this.

Speaker 4 (01:27:04):
One AND i feel exactly that same.

Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Way If jimmy's on the, Floor i'm with you THAT
i can definitely can see The warriors winning this game
and lean that. Direction i'm skeptical that The warriors could
beat This rockets team Without Jimmy, butler like they were
not a good basketball team before making that. Trade they
were a coin flip playoff team twenty six and twenty
nine without, him and like the win ste steps off the,
floor that's where everything falls. Apart like watching that last,
game the minutes where there was No jimmy or No,

(01:27:28):
steph that's where it's scary seasons for This warriors, team
AND i don't think they can survive that. Today SO
i didn't like the Way jimmy walked off that court
that looked like he's hurt and, hurting Like i'm out
kind of. Hurting but he Is Jimmy. Butler so we'll
see what happened. Here i'm fully not making a call
in that game until his status has.

Speaker 4 (01:27:46):
Decided, YEAH i feel.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
LIKE i just kind of assumed that he was gonna
play BECAUSE i saw the LINE i saw on that
he's clean for any structural. Damage LIKE i saw that
stuff and kind of just assumed action. That we're also
listed him in the starting, lineup which is a dumb
thing for me to rely, on BUT i feel like
three and a half is probably like in in the

(01:28:09):
middle line and it gets up to five if he,
plays gets down to like one and a, HALF i
still think they'll probably be favored if he doesn't, play
just with it being a home game In game three
And houston being such a low scoring, team AND i
understand that stuff's gonna have to carry such a such a.
Highway it reminds me of like Why i'm always WHY
i always bet against Like drake in the college basketball
in the, tournament where it's, like if they get the

(01:28:31):
game they want to, play it's sixty five sixty one
with three minutes, left and what happens to steph makes
a couple of, Shots Like that's obviously different in THE
nba more points than, That BUT i think that there's
a level of, that like If houston gets the game
they want to, play there's still a chance at the
end of the, game just because of how low scoring
and how so other tempo. Is BUT i Like Golden
state either, way, obviously like in a lot more if

(01:28:53):
It's jimmy and kind of bet it Thinking jimmy would
play at that. Number But Orlando, boston LAST i, heard
there was some service some clock drama going on at
the end of the.

Speaker 5 (01:29:03):
Game, YEAH i did an absolute referee show at the.
End to be perfectly, honest it started they called an
eight second violation On, palo who clearly crossed half. Court
what happened is he crossed half, court Then tatum poked
it past. Him they both went into the back. Court
pallo collected, it and then the refs blew in eight,
second which it just wasn't and like that was a
disaster and like LIVE i was, like like that's not even,

(01:29:24):
Close LIKE i can't believe they called that in the first.
Place and then the clock. Drama it, WAS i Believe
magic lead by. Two The celtics played out where they're
forcing a, stop ball bounces off the rim a long,
Rebound tatum chases it, down calling a timeout as he collects.
It apparently they could not look at the, time which
is just, Wrong like you absolutely can look at the,

(01:29:46):
time but that's what the referee.

Speaker 4 (01:29:47):
Said they.

Speaker 5 (01:29:47):
Cannot there's point three on the. Clock they had to
attempt like a last minute lob to try and tie the.
Game it was one of those games THAT i just
felt gross about how the game.

Speaker 4 (01:29:55):
Ended like shout out to The.

Speaker 5 (01:29:57):
Magic they played, well they earned a, win but the,
whole like last thirty seconds of that game just felt
like gross to. Me the way there were referee problems
all over the, place Muted mark sam any.

Speaker 1 (01:30:10):
Takeaways was that kind of a fluke just the game
That orlando is gonna. Get it's a concerning For boston
going down the.

Speaker 7 (01:30:16):
LINE i don't think it's concerning at. All it's definitely.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
Flukey kristabs played probably the worst Game i've ever Watched
kristaps play in his entire.

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Career.

Speaker 8 (01:30:22):
MAYBE i, mean he was, Awful like he was blowing,
layups blowing shots around the rim that he always makes seven,
points three for ten from the, field oh for three
from from from, three he wasn't rebounding the.

Speaker 7 (01:30:33):
Ball.

Speaker 8 (01:30:33):
Well it was just a really Bad Chris stabs. Night
and on the flip, Side Franz wagner actually played really.
WELL i mean he actually shot three for thirteen from.
Three and if you're The, celtics you're living With Franz,
wagner a less than thirty percent three point, shooter shooting
thirteen threes in a. Game but he's still at thirty two.
Points and it wasn't a very efficient thirty two. Points
but he's such he's such a great player getting into the,
rim playing with pace in the mid. Range he's he's

(01:30:56):
a he's a good. Player he just needs to develop
a three point, shot which will make him a great.
Player but, YEAH i think this was kind of just
one of those games where the where the magic get
one in a series and it was an off night
For boston AND i don't think that'll. Continue Anti Franz
wagner the record here, well so SO i, mean what's
why are you Anti Franz? WALKER i mean there's obvious,

(01:31:18):
things but why are you Anti? FRANZ i think He's.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
Jumbo Josh getty to be, Honest, LIKE i don't think
the floor faces like to develop a?

Speaker 4 (01:31:25):
Three what's?

Speaker 7 (01:31:26):
That that's a good?

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
One?

Speaker 5 (01:31:27):
Jumbo just, YEAH i think the like belief in him
developing a three point shot is essentially out the window
at this. Point, like if, anything he's gotten worse since
coming to the, league and, LIKE i don't see that.
Changing if you're a guy is ball dominant as like
like he, IS i don't think you can survive INTODAY'S
nba without like a legitimate threat of a three point.
Shot And i'm kind of giving up on that happening For.
Franz he's a good. PLAYER i don't think he can

(01:31:49):
be a second best. Player on a.

Speaker 4 (01:31:51):
Contending, team the way The magic have things, designed.

Speaker 8 (01:31:53):
The hitchy development a, shot real quick, mark just The
hitchy developing a shot this, season just like how you
change your shot to that what looks even worse mid.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Season now it goes back to Like trilbro, dude we
have him on the show a, lot AND i go
on his show a, lot AND i used to pitch
trades For orlando to try to get a guard there
because they've been without a guard, forever or without a
point guard who can really control the.

Speaker 6 (01:32:17):
Offense And i've matched so, many so.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Many, Yes i've pitched so many different, ideas and every time, it's,
oh you can't Trade franz for that. Guy you can't.
Trade and this is dating back to like year, two
so we're like three Years this is three years, ago
and that was when he was a thirty six percent
three point. Shooter, YEAH i AND i it's a shame
that he's gotten so much better everywhere else in his
game and he's regressed so heavily from three because if
he was thirty six percent three point, shooter we're talking

(01:32:42):
about a Guy i'm not out. On we're talking about
a guy THAT i would have been in on and
there was a stretch to start this year That franz
was awesome Without. PAALO i think it's there. There maybe
there's an argument that there's just something weird about that
fit With.

Speaker 8 (01:32:54):
Figer but if either of them could, shoot it would
be a more seamless. Fit, yeah Like polo can't shoot.
EITHER i JUST i don't. Know there's something where it's,
like he's so, talented he has all the intangibles to
be a really great player in this, league like An
ALL nba type, player except the shot just isn't, there
and it's gotten so much. Worse like you, said he

(01:33:14):
shot thirty six percent from three two years. Ago the
last year he shoots twenty eight percent from, three and
this year he shot twenty nine percent from. Three he
actually went when that stretch when he was playing really
well Without, polo he was shooting upwards of like thirty
five thirty six, percent and then it just completely went
downhill the rest of the season once he had an
injury and he came back from the injury and it
was pretty. Disastrous since, then there's just he's such he's

(01:33:35):
so good at getting to the rim where it's like
how is this. Guy he's not like some good athlete at.
All just the pace he plays with is. Phenomenal it's,
like just develop a shot and you would be an
ALL nba.

Speaker 6 (01:33:44):
Player orlando should have Drafted hit instead Of.

Speaker 7 (01:33:48):
PALLOW i Love.

Speaker 8 (01:33:49):
CHAT i don't Think palo's better Than shit for their.
Role Like palo is the center of the. Offense orlando's
way worse right now if you Replace chet With, PAULA i.

Speaker 5 (01:34:00):
DISAGREE i think everything makes a lot more sense if
that was the.

Speaker 4 (01:34:04):
Case And i'm not a pick for a fit guy for.
That LIKE I i Like.

Speaker 5 (01:34:07):
POWO i do Think palo could potentially be like a
face of the, franchise number one. Guy he's still getting,
there BUT i. DON'T i still feel positive About. PALO
i kind of think everybody landed where they were supposed
to do in that.

Speaker 1 (01:34:18):
DRAFT i think that the, MAGIC i mean the magic
was like better Without palo this, year.

Speaker 7 (01:34:24):
Crazy crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:34:25):
Stretch well then you IF i think that shows That
franz is kind of a much better player When palo
is not out, there and you'd Have chet kind of
filling in the holes for the big guy. Stuff AND
i don't Think chet demands the ball Like palo does,
either and they'd BE i think there's a lot that
makes any a lot better, shooter. OBVIOUSLY i think there's
a lot that would make a lot more.

Speaker 6 (01:34:45):
SENSE i can't.

Speaker 7 (01:34:46):
Really create for himself the way can like.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
They need to. Guard they needed guard for. SURE i,
mean what If palo is creating for himself on the
way to like a seven seed and on the way to, like,
well like.

Speaker 7 (01:34:59):
An ALL nba.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Player but He And i'm not A paalo hater even
LIKE i actually Like. PALO i THINK i Had. PAALO
i had checked ONE a And pallo ONE b in that.
Draft my big take was, like these these two guys
are way better Than Jabari. Smith SO i was with
you in the, conversation WHICH i. THINK i think that's worked.
Out BUT i what series AM i missing? HERE i

(01:35:20):
wanted to touch on this before we get out of.
HERE i missed a series From how DID i? Miss
the one series THAT i wanted to talk? About Knick,
Pistons Sam? Sean is it? Over?

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
Oh it's not over at?

Speaker 9 (01:35:34):
All?

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Oh, man here we. ARE i feel like they Needed game.

Speaker 5 (01:35:37):
Three they, split they go to to they'll win tomorrow
and then we're back in business best of.

Speaker 8 (01:35:42):
Three i'd be shocked if The pistons win this. SERIES
i do think it'll go six, SOMEHOW.

Speaker 4 (01:35:49):
I THINK i Think detroit definitely wins.

Speaker 8 (01:35:51):
TOMORROW i don't know about. DEFINITELY i Just i've been
really impressed with This detroit. Team they just do not go,
away and, like, oh she has been phenomenal On, kid
but everyone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:02):
Else a lot to do With New york Than.

Speaker 8 (01:36:04):
Detroit i'm with you on, that, agreed Because og has
been awesome On, kid but everyone else has really struggle
when they're Guarding, kid And kate's let, loose let loose
in a couple of those.

Speaker 7 (01:36:13):
Games i'm with, you, THOUGH i Think New york's offense.

Speaker 8 (01:36:16):
Is just so one dimensional at this, point and it's
like they put brunch and off ball more In game
three then really they had a whole, season especially compared
To games one and, two but this offense is just
so one. Dimensional and there's just something about their like their,
intensity their, attitude their physicality that's just like this team
is off and it's hard to really diagnose what it.

(01:36:36):
Is but they're they're not as good as they should,
be AND i Think boston might sweep.

Speaker 1 (01:36:40):
Them maybe if they're coach playing the starting lineup together
eight billion, Minutes but what does that have to?

Speaker 7 (01:36:46):
Do what is that doing with? Anything? Now they're all,
healthy like they're all presumably healthy right, now run.

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
DOWN i think it matters when you're talking about guys
who have.

Speaker 9 (01:36:53):
Played did you See brunson's answer to the question that
someone asked them the other, night because he was he
was awesome in the club the other night and that's
why they are a gales, Answer, well, yeah but once
it was awesome in the clutch and that's why they
won the. Game and he, was, really he's in great,
shape so he can play in the, clutch while other
guys are kind of out of, shape especially in a
really physical game Like detroit series and so and, so someone.

Speaker 1 (01:37:16):
Asked, him twenty when you get twenty breaks in the,
game because the refs call fouls for everything you do
is the walk to the free throw line and take
thirty seconds?

Speaker 7 (01:37:24):
Off?

Speaker 8 (01:37:24):
Sure, sure but BUT i will say he, said he was,
like someone asked, them, why how are you not? Tired
how are you more energized than the? Clutch and he was, like,
well that's Because bibbs plays me all these. Minutes so
he's ready to. Go it is good conditioning for the
playoffs when you have to play huge.

Speaker 1 (01:37:37):
LOADS i Think tibodeau's playoff history says. OTHERWISE i think
him never having them as much success with any regular
season team he's had as they do in the playoffs
like They've he's never leveled up from what he's done
in the regular season to the playoffs in any year
of his.

Speaker 8 (01:37:52):
Career i've been critical Of fibbs this year mostly because
of how he's incorporated really hasn't incorporated mckel bridges into the,
offense and that's been disappoint and just because of how
one dimensional. There he's just not an creative offensive. MIND
i don't really get on him for the. Playing dude's
a bunch of minutes. Things but there are valid criticisms For.

Speaker 7 (01:38:09):
Thibs for.

Speaker 1 (01:38:09):
SURE i Think tibbs is what he. Is he's gonna
win you forty five to fifty, games and he's never
getting you past the second.

Speaker 6 (01:38:16):
ROUND i, mean it's just it's it's what it.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
IS i get he went to the conference finals once With,
chicago but you might have went more than.

Speaker 5 (01:38:22):
Once but just in his defense, here you can't make
guys more than what they. Are Michale, bridges you can't
make Him Jason tatum when he's.

Speaker 8 (01:38:29):
He can Make bridges more than what he's been this.
Season he's been ragged into the corner as a spot up.
Player when he's better coming downhill and coming, downhill whether
it's through, handoff's picking, rolls, Whatever he's not like a
spot up player the way og.

Speaker 4 (01:38:40):
IS i agree with.

Speaker 5 (01:38:42):
THAT i don't think he's done a great, job BUT
i do think the talent level is a little bit
maximized on this next team is my overall point and
has been all.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
Year twenty seconds From seawan before he heads Out Pacers,
BUCKS i didn't see a second of. It what.

Speaker 5 (01:38:53):
HAPPENED i mean they needed The bucks played desperate basketball
is what they. Needed the young guys stepped up, there they.
Played that was their best game for. Sure The pacers look.

Speaker 4 (01:39:02):
Like the beat basketball.

Speaker 8 (01:39:03):
Team Sam Li lild was really bad In game, three
and still Because lilard was or Despite lily being that
bad In game, three The bucks still went had an
awesome game and obviously and won and forced the game.
Three SO i kind of feel confident in The bucks
because you're gonna Get dame he's been out for a.
While with that blood, Cloud you're gonna Get dame playing
better basketball as the series goes.

Speaker 7 (01:39:24):
On SO i still feel good about The bucks.

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
Pick oh so you still you think The bucks are
gonna win the?

Speaker 7 (01:39:28):
SERIES i, Do, YEAH i think go. SEVEN i think
The bucks win the. Seven.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
WELL i was of the mindset that The pacers cruised
through this and THEN i THINK i think they're gonna
Give cleveland, problems Uh, Indiana But game THREE i didn't.
Watch it seems like that would fly in the face
of that theory for.

Speaker 7 (01:39:44):
Sure, YEAH i.

Speaker 8 (01:39:45):
Am i'm not A pacers, guy not A Tyres haliburn
guy at. All and that's really Why i'm not A pacers.
GUY i think The cleveland will beat both these teams pretty,
handily and the heater a good test For cleveland.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Too The pacers just have so much. Depth they have
so much, depth so many guys to throw at. You
that's kind of WHY i like. Them but that's gonna do.
It that wraps it up for The Tough Cover radio.
Show thanks To sam becking the studio on the ones and.
Two thanks To Sean. Bernard we'll be back at it Next.
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