Tough Cover Show: Fantasy Football Rankings, Phils' All-Star Snubs, Big Wrestling Weekend - 07/12/25 - The Tough Cover

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Speaker 5 (02:56):
On the ones and twues.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
We've got my guys Sean Bernard in the study with me.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
This is a this is a rarity to get to
get me and Sean in the studio together.

Speaker 5 (03:04):
How are we doing, Sean?

Speaker 6 (03:05):
Yeah, doing well. I'm fired up to be here, Mark
Henry Junior. It feels good to be back in action.
We got Roy Burton here with us running three wide,
so a lot to get into showing the ropes a
little bit on the board.

Speaker 5 (03:15):
So it's been a good day here in the Fox
Sports the Gambler studios and there we go.

Speaker 4 (03:18):
We got a special guest in studio for the whole
show all two hours with our guy Roy Burton. You
can go follow him on Twitter at the BS line. Roy,
how are we doing?

Speaker 5 (03:27):
Feeling good? Man? I didn't know I had to, you know, work,
you know. I came in, you know, I was like, Sean,
I want to learn how to work the board. Shawna
showed me some, you know, a couple of things. You
texted me late last night market like, hey, you're like,
you're in for the show, so you got some work
to do. Here's our fantasy football board. We're gonna go
break it all down for Yourself's like, you know what,
got to break out the spreadsheet. So ten o'clock last
night I was digging through the magazines getting ready for today.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
I heard Roy was gonna be in studio and I
should I got the email way early in the week.
Sean Brace sent it out really early in the week,
and I didn't see it until much later. And I
was like, oh, free guests built in there, there we go.
That was absolutely perfect. So didn't have to go, didn't
have to go asking people to come on the show
on Saturday morning, Roy was forced to Roy Roy was

(04:09):
here already, so and since we have Roy year, it's
gonna be a heavy fantasy football show. A lot of
fantasy football tal coming up in this first hour. I've
been I obviously was gone for a couple of weeks.
There I was in Florida, I was at the beach.
And while I was gone, while I've been on flights
to either to their or work, I've been grinding fantasy football,

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whether it's magazines, whether it's podcasts. My guys Adam Azer,
Jamie Eisenberg love that show over on CBS, A lot
of fantasy football pods I like. But I've really really
been diving in and I've got about I didn't count
them exactly, but I think I've got about twenty guys
and I like more than consensus and twenty guys I

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like less than consensus across ESPN and sleeper Big Boards
was what I was kind of using to determine a consensus.
So we're gonna dive deep to that and talk about that,
and other names are gonna come up as well, naturally,
but also we're gonna talk some Phillies on this show.
It's a Saturday, so naturally you know that the Phillies
lost last night. I don't know if you know about this, Roy,

(05:11):
but we're not allowed to talk about Phillies wins really
every They lose every Friday, so you're allowed to talk
about them. These don't win, no studio. We have to recap.
We have to recap losses every Saturday. It was a
frustrating one last night too. It was one of those
that rubbed me the wrong way a little bit. Multiple
chances main floaded Ranger really settling down after an early

(05:32):
a tough ending, which a lot of it not necessarily
even his fault or part at whatever.

Speaker 5 (05:37):
We could talk about that a little bit later.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
I think the main conversation about the Phillies doesn't have
anything to do with the games right now, though. It
has to do with the All Star game that's coming up,
and what a mess the MLB has made of the
MLB All Star Game. I personally can't get that fired
up about All Star games. None of it matters to me, really,
like I don't. I haven't watched an All Star Game,
and I don't think five to ten years. Personally, I'm

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an anti All Star Game, anti Pro Bowl, anti NBA
All Star Game. I'm in on the Derby and I'm
in on the slam Dunk contest. I'm out on the
actual All Star Games. But anyway, we'll talk about that now.
Let's Sean Bernard Ranks. I think he's Christopher Sanchez.

Speaker 6 (06:15):
I'll tell you that it sure matters to Chris Farrell
and a nice little paycheck that would have come with
his All Star appearance there so still has some effects
on these guys.

Speaker 4 (06:22):
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, that's absolutely fair. We're going to talk
about that in the second hour. I was gone for
a lot. I know I checked in about two weeks ago,
but we're gonna do some cleanup on the NBA. Maybe
some things we missed. Obviously, there's been a couple things
since even just last week or two weeks ago that
we could talk about and kind of clean up on
asle Mba later on in the show. But like I said,

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let's get it started. A little wrestling forced him to
leave the room. A little wrestling. We have Saturday Night's
main event tonight, right, and we have Evolution tomorrow. We
have there's another you know, Mickey Mouse RinkyDink Wrestling Company
out there, right.

Speaker 5 (07:04):
See, it's a good show. It's a good job. Was
Actually it's funny.

Speaker 4 (07:08):
My wife follows wrestling much more than sports, which is
a funny thing to say.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
But AW.

Speaker 4 (07:15):
I think she kind of probably feels the way I
feel about awause I'm probably influencing her a little bit
when when we do watch it, and she's she's accustomed
to the WWE product, which I am as well, and
it's part of why it's part of why I struggle
with AW. But I even even when I was explaining
to her, I was like, well, this pay per view
is actually pretty good. Like they've done a good job
with this card. It seems like my can play with

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AW is it's this I can't believe we're going right here.
But it feels like they save so many big matches
so that none of their cards ever feel as big
as they should, because it feels like they're like saving
something for the future so often. I don't know if
that's fair, even their biggest shows, it feels like sometimes
I don't feel like they have d match, like it
feels like they have three or four of the matches
that they've been building to for a long time at

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this point. So Big Big, that's tonight, right, that's tonight,
and also Great American Bash NXT.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yes, you know. So we have four really pretty sizable
wrestling cars this weekend.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
For what has felt like maybe a bit of a
down stretch. Sure, absolutely in wrestling the last couple of
weeks months. I think now is when it starts to
pick back up and obviously headed towards Summer Slam. So
we'll talk about all of that probably later on in
the second hour, but let's get it started with Fantasy football.
And I sent roya text this week, and I'm working

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on my top two hundred. I have my positional rankings
pretty ironed out, like guys will move up and down
in tiers, but in terms of the overall rankings is
really where I'm kind of trying to do mocks and
figure out do I actually like this guy more than
that guy? And how does this impact how I feel
about the quarterback position? And that's my biggest takeaway. I
went through my top two hundred and I lowered all

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of my top six quarterbacks, which I think there's a
tier at six or seven quarterbacks at the top and
lowered them all about five spots on my overall list
because I think this is officially a wait for quarterback season.

Speaker 5 (09:01):
How do you feel about that? This is an absolutely
wait for quarterback Every single I've done discussing amount of
mom drafts over the last few weeks and every single
month draft like, I just haven't felt moved to draft
a quarterback, you know, in the first few rounds. And
if you don't draft, if you're not gonna, you know,
go and get Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or whatever
like that. It just page you to wait and and
you know, stock up at the at the skill position

(09:22):
skill positions, and wait until round nine, round ten to
get your quarterback. Because there's plenty of good quarterbacks in
the in the that are still left on the board
in rounds nine and round ten. So I'm of the
you know belief, get your running backs, get your wide receivers,
you know, if you're a tight end guy, get your
brock Bowers, the tradement brides, and then round nine, round ten,
then when you can start thinking about quarterbacks, because there's
just so much value there late and late in the draft.

(09:43):
I'm curious.

Speaker 4 (09:44):
I want to get Sean's take on some of this stuff.
And because obviously me and Roy are in a bit
of a bubble, I think we're the fantasy nerds, so
we're listening to the nerds, and I think always the nerds.
I used to have an issue sometimes that I think
the nerds will tell you never off the quarterback high.
And I think Roy in the past has also been
a proposed I think last year.

Speaker 5 (10:05):
That's sure, I did. I broke. I broke my own rule,
you know, and.

Speaker 4 (10:08):
It worked a really good Yeah. But when you hear
guys like me, guys like Roy say weight on quarterback,
don't take a quarterback, do you kind of roll your
eyes at that a little bit. No.

Speaker 6 (10:18):
To be honest, I've always leaned towards that side of
the conversation that I think, like the gap between a
great quarterback and an average quarterback in fantasy football is
so much narrowerth than like a great running back and
average running back, or great wide receiver average wide receiver.
The thing that has changed my mind slightly has been,
like the increase in these dual threat quarterbacks, the guy
like Jalen Hurts when you have a built in touchdown

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threat as a red zone option, and every single time
that they're getting in that mix there, that has changed
my perspective a little bit here that I do think
there's guys the Lamar Jackson's you can throw in that
same exact category who are more valuable due to the
running style that they bring. But in general, I have
no problem with the weight for a quarterback approach, and
I think that's probably a pretty successful roster building strategy.

Speaker 5 (10:55):
Yeah, the elite, elite guys like you know, the Josh Allen,
Lamar Jashons, they're in the separate kind of like all right,
Like I understand if you want to take a you know,
an early pick on those guys, but like you said,
like the difference between quarterback three quarterback thirteen, you know,
points wise per week, it's probably four points a week, right,
So it's not that much. So I'm gonnagain, unless you
get one of those super elite dual threat guys who

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can give you twenty five twenty six points a week,
I think you probably need to wait on a quarterback.

Speaker 4 (11:20):
And last year I think you could probably say the
one guy who made it worth taking quarterback high was
Lamar Jackson. I think he was probably going fourth or
fifth among the quarterbacks. I think that he was definitely
going behind Jalen, definitely going behind Josh right, and then
I'm trying to probably probably Borrow.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
I think he might even go in front of Burrow. Okay,
numbers as well last year.

Speaker 4 (11:39):
Yeah, man, even in Fantasy, if you look at the
points per game, Lamar.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Is twenty five point six.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
It depends on the score one for sure, I'm on
ESPN here, but and then Josh twenty two point three,
three points per game behind, and then Burrow twenty one
point nine. But then you look at Josh all the
way down to let's say Jayden Daniels, who finished a
QB six and Fantasy points per game only one point
four points per game more. Wow, So that's that's not

(12:06):
a big enough gap for me. I just think that,
like you, like you put that, the gaps at the
other positions between the elite and the not elite is
so much bigger. So let's talk about some of the
I'm gonna kind of put those guys aside, those top
six to seven guys, the Lamar Allen Jalen, Jaden, Burrow, Mahomes,
and I would actually would do Mayfield in that group,
So I think he's I would actually take Mayfield above Mahomes.

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If I'm if I'm ranking those guys, I have Baker six,
I'm not gonna end double with any of them.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Exactly the guys. It doesn't really matter how that is
how I have him ranked.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
The guy who I have eighth and much higher than
most people have, and the guy who I'm gonna end
up with I think in at least half of my
leagues is Justin Fields, all in, spicy, all in.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
On Justin Fields.

Speaker 4 (12:53):
As a fantasy starter, he's shown top five Fantasy Flashes
and a lot a bunch of times.

Speaker 5 (12:57):
He even finished eighth last year.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
It was only six stars, but he finished eighth in
fantasy points per game in an unimaginative offense in his
starts with Pittsburgh and Arthur Smith, and he's throwing fifteen
times a game. But I think that just gives you
an idea of how high this guy's floor is when
he plays due to his legs, and I think there's
there's gonna be people who are like, oh, they're not
gonna use him as a runner. When it comes down

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to and Justin Field is on the field, he's gonna
run the ball. He's gonna run like it's just a
natural instinct. And he was QB six in fantasy points
per game in twenty twenty two. Even in twenty twenty three,
fourteenth in fantasy points per game, and he was barely
if you go look at it, barely behind tenth, Like
he could a zero point two point three fantasy points
per game behind tenth that year. So that would have
been three straight years finishing tenth or better in fantasy

(13:43):
points per game. But Fields is a guy who I'm
buying a lot of Jets stock in general, and I'm
buying all the Field stock when it comes to fantasy.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah, I don't hate the Fields thing. I think I
put this out in the group chat, the Gamble group chat.
It's like, let's think about it. Just base level regular
game for Justin Fields, two hundred ish yards passing, right,
that's about eight fantasy points, you know, depending when you're
scoring a passing touchdown another four fifty rushing yards. I
don't think that's outside of the realman possibility. That's seventeen
fantasy points, right, Like that's Justin Herbert right, like, like

(14:13):
that's a base level for Justin Fields. So if you can,
if you can give me fifteen, like seventeen fantasy points
on a pretty average game, you know, then the games
where you go, you know, throw for two fifty, the
games you thrown for you know, run for a touchdown,
and the games where you know you throw for a
couple of touchdowns. Your floor. If your floor sixteen seventeen points,
that's a really good floor to start from. You're a
little bit more bullish on field than I am.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
But I don't hate it. I don't hate that. Take
it all. I think he's probably he's definitely a top
fifteen guy. I don't know if I put him, well
you have him eight eight yeah, I don't know if
I do eight. I like, I like Justin Fields this year.
Outside of that top seven, I think there's a big
gap after that top seven. Yeah, the top seven kind
of you can go eighteen different ways. He's my prefer guy.
It would be him or Goloff. I could I could
not thank you. Can we talk about Jared Goff?

Speaker 5 (14:55):
I have I know he gives you nothing with his legs, right,
The man throws thirty seven touchdown thirty five plus touchdowns
every single year. He's gonna throw for like four thousand
plus yards, Like he's going to give you enough with
his arms that it doesn't matter that he doesn't run
it at all. Like Derek Goff is a fantastic fantasy quarterback.
Everybody just forgets about him because he's just not dynamic
like Jane Daniels and those guys.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
What I would say is, if Ben Johnson was there,
I think I would actually have him QB seven eight,
like he would absolutely be part of that. Baker Mahomes
tier sure for me, and above Fields, above Caleb, above
all the guys you're hoping on a little bit. Bo
for sure, Bo is right there. I think I have
Bo right after. Actually I have Bo above Golf. Now
that i'm I think I have Golf ten. Then if

(15:35):
I look at it. But I'm gonna stay positive with
a second guy and then we'll get to the negative.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
Two guys.

Speaker 4 (15:39):
A guy who I find this is not a guy
I liked coming out of the draft. Strumdernard's gonna go
fall at this one. Not a guy I liked coming
out of the draft. Not a guy I'm a fan
of as really a player. Honestly, this is a situation
that and he's going as like QB twenty, QB twenty one.
I'm buying all the Kevin O'Connell stock. This guy can turn,
I think me into a starting fantasy quarterback. JJ McCarthy's

(16:01):
a guy who you can get as a back end backup.
And Sam Donald finished his QB nine last year? Is
Sam Donald like good?

Speaker 5 (16:11):
Like I didn't.

Speaker 4 (16:11):
I don't think they clearly didn't think so. So I
think and JJ could give you some stuff on his legs.

Speaker 5 (16:18):
We don't know yet.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
He obviously has some athleticism. It's hard to know what
that's going to play into until you see it in
the NFL level. But I do think at work, like
I think JJ is going to be a top fifteen quarterback.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
I have, you know, QB twenty on my list. Again,
he can be a cue, he can be a top
fifteen quarterback. There's enough talent around him and enough, you know,
like you said, Kevin O'Connell, like, there's enough around him
where he should be at least a functional you know, borderline,
you know, QBQB one Fantasy West.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
I shouldn't give all the credit to Kevin O'Connell. Justin
Jefferson's pretty good.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, just TJ. Hockinson pretty good. You know, Jordan Addison,
you know, whatever you thought him, yeah, whatever you think
his role is in his offense, he's still pretty good too.
So I mean there's enough around him. And Aaron Jones. Actually,
I don't think you're an Aaron Jones fan. Probably.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
I love Aaron Jones. I love Aaron Jones, but I've
always been a big Aaron Jones guy. He's just so consistent, consistent.

Speaker 5 (17:05):
But yeah, but no, there's enough around JJ McCarthy where
he should be fine. Can he break that QB one?
You know, Tier, I'm not sure, But if you told
me right now he's a top fifteen fantasy quarterback, I
really wouldn't argue you down.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
Aaron Jones just missed this list of higher than consensus.
He could have easily been on it. I was higher
than a couple of guys more than consensus, so I
put them on instead.

Speaker 5 (17:25):
But let's let's let's switch over to negative. Let's get
a little negative negative Nancy.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
Two guys. I'm just I don't think these guys are draftable.

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Is not?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Maybe strong? I won't draft these you were, you were
lower than them on their ADP. Absolutely, but I think
borderline undraftable, like close undraftable.

Speaker 5 (17:44):
I'm interested in this list.

Speaker 4 (17:45):
C J.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
Stroud. I'm interesting this guy.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
And I know this is a little skewed because fantasy
points per game with quarterbacks some back like Joe Milton
in the top ten probably, so throw out a couple
of those names.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
C J.

Speaker 4 (17:56):
Stroud finished as QB thirty last year and fantasy points
per game, and I get it. They went out and
they got Jayden Higgins, Jalen Noel, Christian kirk Right. The
injuries last year, a ton of injuries. That old line
is still atrocity. If anything, the O line's worse today
because they lost Laramie Tunsel and they're relying on younger guys.
They traded their first round pick from two years ago

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to the Eagles, not that he was any good, but
I don't really. I think that everybody thinks that the
problem with Houston last year was the offensive coordinator or everything,
but Stroud, and I'm not saying it was Stroud saying
it was probably the offensive line, and I don't think
that that's changed at all.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
I don't know if he's undraftable. I'd have to count
how far down I have him. Yeah, yeah, like you said,
like he was, you know, QB well twenty eight, QB
thirty last year, twelve interceptions, you know, but you know,
Tank Dell lost for a season, to find Diggs lost
for his season. Diggs now in New England. Tank Dell's
not going to play that, you know this year. Nicole
Collins still a fantastic wide wide receiver. I think there's
still enough for for around CD Stroud to make him

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a QB two, like a backup.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Quarterback I had in QB twenty four. So there's okay,
be two. There's gonna be twenty four quarterbacks drafted. But
I'm like a couple of guys I have above him
who are being drafted behind him.

Speaker 5 (19:06):
I actually don't.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
I don't have adp right in front of me, but
I'm assuming these guys are being drafted behind him.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Yeah, let me pull up.

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Pennix is probably being drafted behind him. I'd rather take
a gamble on Pennix. I would agree with that. I
am buying some Michael Pennock stock this year. I'll say
that that dude can sling a football man and I'm
encouraged by Atlanta fully turning the keys over to him
to jump in on your C D's Stroud point.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
Over All, though, I am buying some CJ. Stroud stock
this year.

Speaker 6 (19:29):
But I think that shows way more on the actual
football field than in the fantasy football box course there.
Like I think that we've he was prematurely crowned as
ready to be this next generation, this next top quarterback,
and then had a little bit of regression last year.
From a pure football perspective, I don't think he's was
as bad as it's talked about, but I don't I
agree with you that I don't think it necessarily translates
from a fantasy football perspective.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
The other thing that.

Speaker 4 (19:50):
Worries me is they've they talked all seasons they said
the reason they fired the offensive coordinator is they wanted
to run more, and now they signed Nick Chubb. Not
that I think he's probably washed, but like, yeah, I
think mixing is half like close.

Speaker 5 (20:02):
I'm not a mixing guy, but I.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Think they're probably going to follow up on that, Like
if they if they fired this guys he didn't run
the ball, and then they went out hiring with that
and they're.

Speaker 5 (20:11):
Going to run the ball.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
They're going to run the ball more. And this is
already a team that didn't pass the ball enough. So
especially with those, especially Tank dell Out, you're probably gonna
run the ball more. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
Really you had those receivers by the way, justin I'm
sorry where it was c J. Stroud QB fifteen ADP. Yeah,
that's crazy, Like that's probably above JJ.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
It's probably just just above JJ, probably above that, just
above Derek Jared goff So fifteen through twenty.

Speaker 5 (20:33):
Golf. Yeah, Stroud's crazy. Stroud McCarthy golf, may Love and
Cameron Ward uh Camoy top top twenty of Stafford twenty one.

Speaker 4 (20:43):
I would take I would take Stroud over Stafford. Stafford
doesn't they don't like put up. He doesn't put fancy
numbers up anymore.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
Like yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean I don't take
Gino by the way over Stroud.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
Yeah, he's being just like QB twenty, where's he go is?
Where's gin He's really? Yeah, it's crazy. People people hate Gino.

Speaker 5 (21:02):
It's crazy. Anyway.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
One more name I'm out on at the quarterback position,
and this is one that will probably surrobably Shan because
he knows I love this guy. Just from a fantasy
perspective this year, I think it's too much too soon
for Drake May. People are really pushing May up, and
where's May at right behind uh? He was right behind uh.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
QB eighteen.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
Yeah, there's some guy like I would rather have JJ,
I'd rather have uh Love, I'd rather have Dak, I'd
rather have Pennix, I'd rather have Tua, I'd rather have Gino. Like,
I'm not really a huge Drake May guy when it
comes to fantasy for this year. Let's switch gears and
get to a deeper position here a little bit. Let's

(21:43):
talk running back. Yeah, baby, my first guy that that
I have listed here, I don't even have stats for.
I don't have any bullet points for. Ashton genty is
my Yeah.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
I was going to ask you about him if you
didn't get to him, because I don't know where to
put him. Six sixth overalls. I have him.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Wow, that's really hot. But people have him like five,
people have really most. I feel like four really Yeah,
I feel like I mostly see it, which I'm fine
with that. By the way, I feel like I see
him usually like ten to fifteen. I know he's thirteen
on Sleeper. I think he's ten on ESPN, eleven on ESPN.
Not only how I'm when I'm when I say the number,

(22:22):
I'm saying, how if you go into a mock draft,
that's the order they have, not like I think. Let
me look and if you go mock on ESPN. So
I have him sixth, I could easily be convinced to
bump him above Justin Jefferson and put him fifth overall,
I currently have him six. I have him RB four,
But maybe I don't love him that much more because

(22:45):
I'm coming at this from a way that I thought
he was kind of an option around the turn at twelve.
If you can get genty with the tenth, eleven, twelfth pick,
I think you're set up for a beautiful, beautiful draft.

Speaker 5 (22:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
So the ESPN, the fantasy you know, the you know
their their team. There the consensus rankings, they have him
consensus at four. Oh my gosh, I don't think that's
that way when you go into a mock draft. Yeah,
if you go into that, and if you go into
the the the ADP, he's actually he's RB FIVETT taken
around the tenth pick. Yes, So yeah, I think he's
listed ten on wa to go into a mock like

(23:21):
an interface there, but I'm in I think this guy's
gonna I think this guy I haven't. I stupidly did
not place this bet, and I should go look at
it now. He was like one hundred or two hundred
to one to win like Offensive.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
Player of the Year.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
Really, it was a crazy number, and I have to
go find it and make sure that they didn't change it.
I actually think that there's a chance he just comes
in and has like eighteen hundred yards, And I think
there's a chance that the best version of Ashton gent
Uc is in the next two or three years.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Oh sure, sure that now. So you have him at
six right, six overall RB four. I mean i't mean
to kind of throw you Oh six, all right, so
six over row So so RB four, So you're three
running backs ahead of him. My assumer Robinson, Barklay and Gibbs.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah, switch gives in Barkley, Okay, yeah, I know we
disagree on this. Where's Derrick Henry five? Okay, all right,
that's fair. Okay, I have him RB five, but I
do have him thirteenth overall, okay, so a little bit
lower there's a gap there from six to thirteen from
running backs for me, but I have him pretty clearly
RB five. Okay, because I see a lot of people
out just out on Derek Nnons every year. That's crazy,

(24:20):
just like every year, You're right, every years he's just
a freak. Yeah, I think I understood it more at
the end of the Tennessee term.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
What Tennessee term like it was a presidency.

Speaker 4 (24:31):
At the end of the Tennessee run, I got it
like that offense was so bad, so on dynamic, the
coaching was like the offensive coaching was so unimaginative. I
got it. Once you go to Baltimore and you have
Lamar Jackson standing next to you. I think it adds
a little bit of a different layer to.

Speaker 5 (24:47):
The things I would say.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Yeah, even if he did lose a step, like the
I always talk about this and we're going to get
to this with some running backs. I always value running
backs to play with mobile quarterbacks because it's something that
the defense has to key in on. You can't when
you're stopping the run focus on the running back. The
two names who always come to mind when I talk
about that are Alfred Marris, who had like fifteen hundred
yards with RGIE.

Speaker 5 (25:06):
That was an RG three production.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Though Alfred Marris was good running back, but he went
to the perfect spot as a rookie with with RG three,
and people were so worried about RG three running that
Alfred Marris went out and was like a top three
fantasy running back. And the other guy I think of
is if you ever go look at James Connor's numbers
when Kyler plays as opposed to when he doesn't play,
it's astounding. It's like double well, like his fantasy points

(25:28):
per game goes from like ten to twenty or it's
I don't know the exact numbers, but it's uh. I
always think about those two names when I think about
how much that having a mobile quarterback can affect. I mean,
obviously there's other factors. Look at Sakwon Barkley, say, Kwon
Barkley just has the greatest running back season we've ever seen.

Speaker 5 (25:45):
Offensive there one of the other. But I think.

Speaker 4 (25:49):
Jalen's rushing ability is not maybe not as big of
a factor as the offensive line.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
I really do think it was a major factor.

Speaker 6 (25:55):
Sure, absolutely absolutely could I ask about two guys here
too as well, Two former consensus top picks that I
have no clue what to do with coming into into
the season. One of them Christian McCaffrey and Jonathan Taylor.
How do we view these guys from fantasy football perspective
this year? That was a perfect segue there. I didn't
even send you this list. Christian McCaffrey was up next
for my negative. I have him as my top guy.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
I just don't get the ranking on like I But
I shouldn't even say that, because I do get it.

Speaker 5 (26:22):
I'm not an idiot. I mean, he used to be
the man. Yeah, but get it.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'm not being the one that Yeah, they say you
can't win you're drafting in the first year rounds, but you
can lose it. I do think Christian McCaffrey is the
one guy you can point to. I feel like I
usually have multiple guys in the top twenty to twenty
five overall. Then I'm like, I don't get why these
guys are being drafted this high. And I have a
couple of names in here sprinkled him, but I mostly
get it. Christian McCaffrey is the one name where if
someone takes them like eighth or ninth in the year draft,

(26:48):
like I'm gonna be like, that's crazy.

Speaker 5 (26:50):
That's how I feel about And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
It's like because I drafted Christian mccaffre in OAR League
last year and he got hurt. What it is, what
it is, So so I'm a long run of terability
just be it being the like.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
But like, I'm at that point where if I'm gonna
eight or not. If I'm in a nine or ten
spot and Christian McCaffrey's there, he's probably the highest left
guy left on my board, I still probably won't take him,
just because I have those scars from last year. But
I understand. I understand because after that first tier of
running backs, you know, if you don't want to take
a risk on a Nash genty, if you think, you know,
Derek Henry's really going to fall off or whatever like that,
then I think he probably makes more sense than a

(27:22):
Jonathan Taylor. You know, then you know, maybe a Josh
Jakins or somebody may not be in love with Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 4 (27:27):
I'm kind of like at consensus on I don't I
don't have much of.

Speaker 5 (27:30):
A take on Jonathan.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
I think I mean twenty one, Like I'm twenty fifth overall,
twenty fourth overall, something around there. I would consider him
around that, like two three turn into the third round.
Probably won't get there. Then it's just we're gonna talk
about some guys I'm in on. Like the next two
names I have on my like love list go behind
Jonathan Taylor, but I would take both of them in
front of them. So I'm probably not gonna end up

(27:51):
with a lot of Jonathan Taylor. But I don't really
I don't really feel negatively about Taylor, Like I don't
think Daniel Jones is any different than Anthony Richardson, like
in terms of hurting his value.

Speaker 5 (28:02):
Jonathan Taylor, by the way, is going sixteenth overall, so
I have him. I am a little lower.

Speaker 4 (28:07):
I am a little lower then than consensus. But two
names allow us go with these two names instead of
going positive negative, the two names that I just mentioned
that I have higher than Jonathan Taylor, who are going
behind him. My number one guy is my I always
have a all in guy pushing my chips into the
middle of the table. My number one my guy this
year in fantasy. Usually it's a little lower in the draft,

(28:27):
like it's a fifth, sixth, seventh, eighth, rounder. I remember
my my biggest one ever was Antonio Brown's second year
in Tampa where he ended up taking his shirt off
and going crazy. If you go look at the numbers,
he is actually playing pretty well. I don't want to
talk about him. He was really good in Tampa still
even as like a crazy person. But Antonio Brown's like

(28:49):
was my biggest one ever. Going back to the last
name here, my number one, my guy, and this might
be like ever I have him. I think eighteenth overall
and that could that could rise Chase Brown. I love
some Chase Brown in RB six. I am all in
on Chase Brown. For the twenty twenty five NFL season.
If you take out his first three games, where he

(29:11):
only had nineteen combined touches six six touches per game,
he finished sixth and fantasy points per game among running backs.
Zach Taylor has shown he uses a guy like he
doesn't really he goes with mixing all the time if
it's mixing, and then last year down the stretch he
went with Chase Brown all the time. He got rid
of Zach Moss. Basically he's still on the team, but
they just stopped using him. So Chase Brown's a guy

(29:33):
who ranked behind Jonathan Taylor. I'm gonna draft him above
him every time. I think, like, if you can get
the first pick and you go Jamar and then Chase
Brown and start your draft with two Bengals, I think
you're feeling that's the best possible start of a nice
any position. Yeah, now you're feeling nicely. I think that's
the best possible start of any draft position. Yeah, he was,
like you said, he was RB four and Fantasy points
per game once Zack Moss got out the paint and

(29:55):
then he had seven I'm sorry, sixth straight top ten
performances from week nine to week fIF just like absolutely
consistent running back.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Fantastic guy. I think I have him ninth running back
RB nineth on my list ESPN. He's actually currently being
drafted RB thirteen in the end of the third round
thirty six, thirty six pick overall for Chase Brown. So
I mean, you probably can't wait till the end of
the third round again him. But if he's there at
the end of the third round, I mean that's fantastic value.
I love him in the middle of the second yeah,

(30:23):
I take a middle second.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
The only reason that I won't end up with them
in the middle of the second is because I I'm
really high on Baleris of McBride, who I'm not even
gonna tell they're not on my list because I have
him one and two and everybody hasn't wanted too. But
I'm higher on them overall. I have him twelve and
thirteen on my overall board. I would really place a
premium on going and getting one of those guys. I
think they're that special and above the rest.

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Of the position.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Kittle has his own Yeah, like Worries, maybe I would say.
But and then the other guy who I'm higher on
than Jonathan Taylor, who is going behind him, who I
would draft over him, is Breecee Hall. Breese Hall is
a guy I never used to get the top five
hype on and is now a guy I'm buying all
the posts type on. He's still finished his RB sixteen
in a disastrous season with a statue at quarterback. He's

(31:06):
being drafted at that bargain basement value now. He had
just added two offensive line on the on the from
the draft and free agency. Justin fields. We just talked
about how I think the quarterback, the mobility of your
quarterback helps your running back so much. You look at
brist down the stretch, he was better down the stretch
than he was early. I think the new scheme defensive
minded guy. I think you have to imagine he's probably

(31:28):
a little bit more run, run heavy.

Speaker 5 (31:31):
I really like.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Bresaw this year, and I'm not really like a huge
out of the talent. I wouldn't necessarily say. I think
that the situation is better than most people think. Not
a no real competition for carries. I'm in big.

Speaker 5 (31:41):
Exactly no competition for carries, fifty seven receptions again, and
you have a young quarterback like Justin Field's probably gonna
check down a lot, so he's probably gonna get a
lot of work. Six top twelve performances last year, even
though he had a mess around him on offense, and
an offense really not geared toward towards his talent. Yeah,
I think Bristaw's good. I think Bristaw's are a really
good running back. I'm gonna put it right now, PI.
He's currently going uh RB sixteen and in their drafts again,

(32:05):
I think that's good value if you get if you
get a Brieste Hall, you know, middle of the fourth round.
I mean like, that's a really good value for for
a guy who should have again, he can probably probably
flirt with, you know, fourteen hundred and fifty hundred total yards.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
I would think I have marb eight. I'm really really
you're we're really Bristow. Really you could I have Hall
Williams Jacobs tiede.

Speaker 5 (32:25):
So you think the Jets are gonna be nine wins
for the Jets? How about that, folks? How about that?

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Sports fans? Okay, yeah, I'm in big on the Jets.
I think they're like a They will fight to be
a playoff team.

Speaker 5 (32:41):
The AFCs has a little bit of a little competition.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
I think they're the second best team in the air, right,
I like that it will be eight nine wins too though.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
They will, you don't think so. I don't know how
they score points? Yeah, no, I think that very I'm
such a variable guy.

Speaker 4 (32:56):
I feel like he's going to get the most out
of may being a game manager, using his legs a
little bit, but and then run the crap out of
the ball and play better defense. And defense year to
year is always something I always talk about when we're
doing win totals. But it's there's so much regression and
progression that it's and I think a lot of it's random,
but a lot of it's just about hiring a new
guy in a first year scheme and things like that.

(33:18):
Outside of the elite either or the terrible, I think
they're probably gonna level up and be an average go
above average defense now and then very able kind of
figures out the rest. But I get not being all
in on the I think I'm a little lower. There's
a lot of people out there who are picking them
to go be a dark horse to make the playoffs.
I think so I'm not quite there, but I think
they'll be competent. A name I'm out on, and this

(33:39):
makes me sad because I love this guy and I'm
not that out on him. I have him at twenty five,
but I have him at RB thirteen, and I've seen
some guys. I'll throw it to you, Bucky Irving, where
is he going in terms?

Speaker 5 (33:53):
So let's say where he's so he is going, He's
probably going pretty high. He's RB ten, you twenty twenty second.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Overall, like I have him thirteenth and twenty fifth, so
it's not a big difference. He's a player I've loved
since Oregon. I love that he broke out. I forget
who I saw. It was a big industry guy. I
had him at RB six and he finished ARB nineteen
in Fantasy points per game last year, and Shot White's
still around.

Speaker 5 (34:16):
Like, I don't think they did not like White. They
all he used them. Yeah, but they didn't use him
a lot at the end because they like from week
ten on like he was our Bucky. Everyone was RB seven.
That's fair, that's yeah. He ever, you know, he's sixteen
points of Fantasy points per game, so he's the guy.

Speaker 4 (34:29):
The other thing that makes me nervous there is they
just they added ag Buka, they kept Godwin.

Speaker 5 (34:34):
Jalen McMillan was really good last year.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
He's gonna take it like they have four receivers, Like,
I don't know how many targets are going to the
running back.

Speaker 5 (34:41):
Ye I think he's gonna get a lot of targets,
but I think it's gonna get the overwhelming bulk of
the work, like running the ball. So yeah, I understand
like RB six is a little high, but I like
I have him.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
I have him twelve. I think he's about twelve or thirteen. Yeaheah,
nothing crazy. Yeah, I'm not gonna spend too much time
on this. We already talked about a rookie. Omarion Hampton
is a guy I'm in on. I just I buy
the talent here. I think he's a stud. I think
he showed it with Drake May. He showed it being
like this supplementary guy in May, and then last year
he showed it being like the engine of the offense
in North Carolina. This is a Chargers team that is

(35:12):
elite on the offensive line. Uh, and you have Naji
Harris blowing off his eyeballs and fireworks incidents.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
Quarterback you can't trust?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Yeah, oh there. JK was he was RB eighteen. Well
we will get to that with receivers. I don't like Sean,
but JK was RB eighteen in points per game and
he was in a time share with Gus. I think
I think that's like the floor for Hampton is what
JK Dobbins did last year.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Yeah, for me, he was he was before Naje blew
his eye out like he was a he was a
let me see in training camp how it kind of works,
you know, like time like timeshare wise. But I think
he's going to be the guy. I mean, he's a
number twenty two overall pick.

Speaker 6 (35:46):
And by the way, Nigeri Harris, even with two full eyeballs,
it's just.

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Not he's He's just a jag, you know, more or less.
So yeah, yeah, so I'm slow he's the guy. I'm
prob I'm slowly getting to like I'm sure if we
do the same conversation a month from now, I'm sure
I'll probably have him higher.

Speaker 5 (36:02):
Im RB twenty. I don't know where you have him
on your list scene okay, yeah, team, I'll probably slot
him up a few spots. I just need to see
it because with the rookies, I just need to see,
all right, are you the guy? Are you going to
get the carries? But again, number twenty two overroll pick,
Magie Harris, I don't see. I don't see a world
where you don't get sixty percent of the touch it.
So I think I think he's a good He's a
good pick at that point going over switch or actually
just stay with another real can I can ask you?

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Yeah, well it might be the guy you're talking Caleb Johnson,
Where do you have him? I love consensus, I am
the level. I think I'm seventieth overall, I could get
there because I'm not a Jalen Warren guy. Right, Jayla
Warren stinks. Yeah, Roger Harris said two hundred and ninety
nine touches last year. Just slot him right into that
role if you want to knock it down because he's
a rookie, right, two hundred and forty touches. If you
give Caleb Johnson two hundred and forty touches on that offense,

(36:45):
he should be pretty darn good. Yeah, I'm scared of
touching anything in that offense. I'm such an anti guy
at this point, Like I think everything he touches turns
to crap, and I think we saw that last year.
And I think so many of the problems, like with
the offensive line and the running game, I think are
enforced by him.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
And I just yeah, the Jets running problems last year
where Aaron Aaron Rodgers was the cause of those those issues.
Will it'll be different in Pittsburgh, I don't know. But
I know is there was a guy who had three
hundred touches last year who ain't there anymore? I have
Mary twenty five? Where do you have twenty two?

Speaker 4 (37:18):
So yeah, I'm nothing too crazy, And you could easily
convince me to put him above Montgomery, Tuba and Cuba
and Judkins. I have him right behind those guys, So
I'm not necessarily I'm not out on Caleb Johnson by
by any means. A couple of guys I am out on.
I just mentioned one, Cuba Hubbard. I just recadoubt. See
that's the thing, like they just paid They just paid him, though,

(37:39):
you guys, when you pay a running back, I would
imagine you want to use them. Yeah, Caroline is another
offense that I'm kind of like staying away from a
lot of With him and dowd All, I think it's
gonna I think it's gonna be more split than we won.
And then even with like Ted McMillan, who I loved,
If you go look at like we all are talking
about how.

Speaker 5 (37:58):
Great Bryce Young was at the end of the year
year and.

Speaker 4 (38:02):
Had seventh on our QB rankings that we did a
couple of weeks ago, he's going to look at But
if you can look at the actual numbers for like
that stretch that we all freaked out about, it's like
one hundred and eighty whatever.

Speaker 5 (38:17):
It wasn't any it was competent.

Speaker 4 (38:19):
I think I'm a little worried about Carolina, and I
want to be in on Carolina because I like Canalys
and I like a lot what they did this all season.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
I think they're a great draft.

Speaker 4 (38:27):
But I think he set the bar so low Bryce
Young that when he played at all competent, I think
we were like good, this is special, Like this is
fourteenth is crazy. Something that you have above him are crazy.

Speaker 6 (38:45):
That I have him above, such as Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
I actually have been winning like seven eight games, So
I'm not like totally out on them. You know, I'm
not totally out, but I just I don't know. I'm
staying away from a lot of fantasy standpoints.

Speaker 5 (39:06):
This one. Everybody knows how I feel.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
The most overrated player at sports Isaia pa Checko, do
not draft him. I have him like one hundred and
fiftieth thinks guy came back. Couldn't get his ship. I
hate the runs hard thing.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Everybody runs hard. He couldn't. He looks like he stops
on the ground. He couldn't.

Speaker 4 (39:25):
He couldn't wrestle his job back from Kareem Hunt at
the end of the year, like he.

Speaker 5 (39:30):
Was healthy at the end of the year, like barely
played in the super Bowl, barely played in the street
in the playoffs, down the stretch, average three point seven
yards of carry, like he just got I just don't
think he has any juice left. And I really, like,
I really want to like him, but it's the thing is,
he doesn't have juice. And you know what the Chiefs
do a running back. You just random guy X out there,
you know, and if he has a couple of good
couple of good series, then he's just the guy for

(39:50):
the day. So yeah, I have very little faith.

Speaker 4 (39:53):
And I'll just run down, run down some names quickly
here before we take a break. DeAndre Swift, I'm just
I'm just not a fan of the talent. I don't
think there's like a like a top the fifteen upside
there with him.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Really yeah, I think his upside is twenty. But it's like,
all right, just know what he is.

Speaker 4 (40:07):
You're drafting him like RB twenty seven eight. So the
upside is just not high enough for me there. And obviously,
like if Ben Johnson loved him, he would he would
have still been on the Lions. Tony Pollard, I'm just
I'm out on kind of the backfield there with Taija
and Tony. I was out last year and Pober was
better than I probably expected. But I sneak you like
ty j Yeah, if you're telling me to draft either

(40:28):
of them, it would be tai Ja way later. But
I'm not I'm not in on that backfield. Another backfield.
I'm totally out on Brian Robinson Junior, another guy like Swift,
just no upside beyond like RB twenty five.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
Yeah, like yeah, I think when you draft Swift and Robinson,
think you know, like they are RB two guys like
they're gonna like their upside is maybe you know RB
twenty that's like you just you know what it is.
But it's like, you know, if you want to swing
for the fences, then he would probably you know, go
Treevion Henderson or somebody like that at that spot.

Speaker 4 (40:55):
Tyro and this this goes hand in hand with a
guy who's on my my love list. I'm not a
believer in Tyrone Tracy. I know he put up some
numbers last year. I think that a lot was just
like opportunity. PFF had him ranked as the second worst
running back who got snaps in the NFL last year.
PFF take up with a grain of salt. I'm not
saying like, oh, they it's the end all be all.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
I think that it was. I don't think he's a
good player.

Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think it was just he was given a million
carries and that's gonna happen. And also teams were here,
they were trailing, so teams were playing against the pass.
And sure, I think there's a lot of funky stuff
that went into that Tracy year. And I think camp
Scatoby is the real deal. I think camp Scattaby is
actually talented and can catch, can block, and I think
the blocking should get him on the field earlier. Yeah,

(41:33):
so Scataboo is a guy that I'm kind of buying
in on and end up within a.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Lot of drafts. Yeah, Scatubo was another one of my
my weak till training camp to see, you know, see
how the time share works. But you're right, like Scataboo
was a more talented running back and Tyrone Tracy got
the carriage just because he was there. He was like
an active warm body, you know, who's competent. So I
think once Scataboo kind of gets in the mix, and
like you said, he's a better receiver. Once he kind
of gets in the mix, he's going to take that
job probably by week six or so, and then he'll
be the.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
Guy Javonte Williams. Somebody has to run. Somebody has to somebody.

Speaker 5 (42:00):
That's the Rico Daddle theory from last year. Somebody has
to run the ball. Oh don't say, don't don't. I know,
it's it's a very it's a very soort of subject
for some people. But somebody has to be RB one
in Dallas. Jamante Williams is probably going to be that guy.
He had fifty one catches last year. I mean he's like,
he's a pretty decent dual threat kind of guy. Jamantay Williams.
I think it is probably getting super underdraft. I don't

(42:20):
where he's getting drafted, but he's probably way under drafted. Yeah,
check that ADP for I have RB twenty eight. He
is probably way more than that. I think he's probably
fringe top forty.

Speaker 4 (42:30):
I have DeAndre Swift thirty, RB thirty Okay, yeah, yeah,
I would rather take a that's actually surprising to me
that that's that high. I would rather take a swing
on him than Swift because I think, like, if you did,
this is his ceilings higher, absolutely, and like I something,
I have Scataboo above Swift as well. Really yeah, I
have Scattabu with twenty seven actually or twenty seven. I'm

(42:52):
definitely in on scatabo One last name before we switch
over to tight ends and then take a break.

Speaker 5 (42:57):
JK. Dobbins. I already brought it up. He was RB eighteen.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Last year. Denver's OH line was like behind the Eagles
in most categories. It's like the best O line in football.
And they didn't do anything at the running game, and
Javonte struggled in the run game, and they really gave
a lot of work to like Julia McLaughlin all over.
Just never really found a guy.

Speaker 5 (43:16):
And I think JK.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
Dobbins obviously has his injury concerns. When he's been out
there on the field, he's generally been used productive, So
I where he's going. I think he's like one forty
on sleeper overall ranking and I have him like in
the top nineties. So I'm I'm in on JK. I'm
in on R. J. Harvey too. I'm kind of in
on that backfield. I wouldn't mind taking both of them.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Yes, the thing I just don't know, because I wanted
to ask you about J. Harvey. I just don't know
who's going to get what kind of carrias is, like
the Denver backfield, like you just don't don't know there's
certain backfields you just don't know who's going to get
most of the work. So that's why I'm not really
kind of sold on either one of those guys, because
I just I'm not, you know, because I just don't
know where it's going to be. I see RJ. Harvey's going,
you know, fair higher than I would I would take him,
so he's probably let me take care.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
I have him RB eighteen, he is m RB eighteen,
and I have JK at RB thirty one.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
So he is going twenty three RB two, twenty three
j R. J.

Speaker 4 (44:10):
Harvey, Yeah, I'm a little higher than that. Yeah, so
but I don't even see I have seen J L.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
JK.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
Dobbins RB forty six. Yeah yeah, yeah, so yeah. So,
I mean, I think R. J.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
Harvey is gonna be the guy, but you know, based
on what we've seen so far, heard so far. But
you're right, Like I like JK. Dobbins, Like when he's
on the field, he's pretty healthy. I just don't like
Denver is one of those weird time share backfields that
you just don't know who's gonna get most of the work.
So I'm gonna wait and see on that Denver back.
I probably I probably won't touch a Denver Denver running back,
you know, if I drafted, you know, if I have
another draft between now and August, you know, I just

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need to see a little bit more out of that
before I make a.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
Move and then tight end. Well, we're gonna do tight end,
then we'll leave receiver. We're gonna take a break and
then come back and do receiver. I don't want to
rush through that one tight end. I'm most of these
guys are kind of wait on it options, either on
the positive or on the negative side here. But I
just want to say I'm already mentioned this. I'm in
Bowers and McBride, like, I think they are perfect second
round picks no matter who you take in the first round,

(45:05):
probably more if you take a receiver than a running back.
I think of running back tight end is probably harder
to start off within receiver tight end because.

Speaker 5 (45:11):
Then it's hard to hit the receivers. You're you're digging. Yeah,
in that fourth round of four receiver.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
So I think it's probably more dependent on taking a
receiver in that first round than coming back with Bowers
and McBride, But you could you could do the other way.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
One thing I'll say is and I didn't put any
of these guys on the list because I'm actually if
you look at their overall rankings, I have them kind
of right around where their overall rankings are. I wouldn't
take any of the middle tier of tight end. Like
I wouldn't touch George Kittle, I wouldn't touch Sam Laporta.
I wouldn't touch Travis Kelsey. Really, I definitely wouldn't touch

(45:43):
t J. Hawkinson. He came close to making this list.
I don't really understand why he's being ranked as highly
as he is. And then another guy, and I'll start
this off just with negative.

Speaker 5 (45:52):
We talked about this in.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
The group chat when he got traded, and he's being
drafted on sleeper, as cube or as tight end seven.
I now don't have him as a top twelve tight end.
I'm out on Johnny Smith, and I know he's probably
the number two receiver there, almost definitely the number two
receiver there. But who is the number two receiver in
New York last year.

Speaker 5 (46:12):
Somebody has to catch the ball, right, like somebody there's
a bucket. I think there's a bucket of four thousand yards.
Somebody has to get those Somebody has to get those yards.
I don't think it'll be four thousand, Okay, thirty seven hundred.
I think it's like three thousand.

Speaker 4 (46:26):
You think it's that low, really, so you're you're all
the way out, You're just like you're a completely Arthur
wants to run the ball anyway, so that goes to
your kil Johnson Love right, right, Yeah, I just do
you think you think they did all this because again,
they've done a lot of this just for this one man.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
So he can throw for two hundred yards a game. Yeah, yeah,
I don't think it's a choice. Like I think it's
gonna be what that's fair, okay, all right, Not that
he can't he doesn't want to throw for more, he
just can't do it. That's fair. What did he do
last year? What did he do last year?

Speaker 4 (46:57):
It's going to be similar, Like, I think he's going
to have a similar season. I think they'll win a
couple more games because I think the defense will be
better and the coaching will be better thirty thirty, And
I was like thirty eight ninety seven, thirty eight ninety seven,
yewenty eleven. I'm too low, say like, he's not too low. No,
he's a functional human being. Still, you know I'm too low.

Speaker 5 (47:13):
I'm too low. I didn't realize he had that many
last year. Surprised. So what I'm saying, there's a bucket art right,
four thousand, there's a bucket thirty. Now, there's a bucket
of thirty.

Speaker 4 (47:20):
Five hundred yards out there, right, somebody has to get
these yards, right, that's fair. So like Johnnys like obviously
there'll be some regression, you know, for Johnasmith on the touchdowns,
But on DK, I do think DK has a good
like I think that Aaron Rodgers will make sure he
gains a rapport with Dbut right.

Speaker 5 (47:38):
Yeah, like DK is gonna be fine, Like DK is
gonna be have a thousand yards like he's gonna, I
don't know, semmary touchdowns whatever, there's still another twenty six
hundred yards if somebody has to get you know, Caleb
Johnson will get some of that, you know, I mean
you just how much did they pay John's with like
twelve million dollars, and when you pay somebody that much
money here, yeah, I know, it's like, but they gotta
go somewhere, like so like that's why, that's why, Yeah,

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I'm a little bit higher on John Smith than than
than than you are, because there has to be those
yards gotta go somewhere. And I think he's probably, say
he's probably the second best receiver on that team.

Speaker 4 (48:10):
So another guy in that middle that I'm kind of
out on is David and Joku, and I think he
really benefited from Jamis last year. There's a lot of
I think the Browns receivers and tight ends did I
get Flacco's back and they were pretty good. Something actual
was good with Flacco, but there's way too many question
marks with that Brown's passing exact.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
I think with the middle, those those middle tier tight ends,
I think where where you would have to draft him,
I think there's just way more value at the other positions. Totally.
I just think, like if you're like I'd rather draft
a third receiver or third running back or whatever than
the draft one of those guys, because then again you
can come back, you know, round eight, round nine, whatever,
you know, get yourself a you know, a Dallas Goddard
or something like that. Like you like, you're gonna find

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more value guys, because you know, like we talked about
with quarterbacks, after the top two tier, after the top
tier guys, there's not that much difference between you know,
the the David and Joku's and the Dallas Goddards or
the Tucker Crafts or whatever have you. So I think
I think you're probably better better suit it to just
skip those cup you know, if you don't get Bowers
of McBride, just skip them and just get one of those,

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you know, t E eleven twelve guys.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, if I don't get Bowers of McBride, I'm going
to get Goddard to Craft. That's kind of where I'm
at this year. And Goddard's my top guy at the
Titan position that I love more than consensus. If you
if you removed the game he got injured, he got
one target in that game and got injured on it.
He had zero points in that game you removed that,
he would have finished tight end. He would have finished
he would have finished tight End eight on a fantasy.

(49:34):
Don't don't read your notes on air, kids. He would
have finished tight end eight on a fantasy points per
game basis, while Saquon had a historic rushing season.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
And we're gonna get to.

Speaker 4 (49:43):
I have all three Eagles pass catchers on my list
as liking the more than consensus this year, AJ, DeVante,
and Goddard, and I'll be honest, a big part of
that one of them is probably gonna get hurt.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
Just being it's just the way things happened.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
They missed some time last year, got it missed some
time last year, DeVante's.

Speaker 5 (50:02):
Game or two. It's just natural.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
And when one of those three guys go out, the
other two are immediately more elite, like AJ goes from
When one of those other two guys are out, AJ
goes from being a top eight receiver to a top
four receiver. When one of those guys are out, Davante
goes from being a fringe top twenty guy to like
a legit top fifteen guy. When you take one of
those guys out, Goddard goes from being a fringe tight
end to a legit top five ish tight end. Sure,

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and I get that he has issues staying healthy. I
kind of care about that less at tight end, especially
when I'm waiting on it because I'm you know, you're
just trying to get above average production anyway. If you
don't get it, you're just gonna go trying to find
So I don't mind taking a risk on a guy
who gets hurt like that, So God or to a
guy I'm gonna end up. He's being drafted as tight
end sixteen in sleeper behind behind Jake Ferguson behind behind

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one of the most overrated athletes in sports, Dalton Kincaid.
This guy sticks but is not good at football, and
he keeps being keeps being drafted it and I don't
get it. He's been given every opportunity in the best
possible offense, but like the second best possible quarterback on
the planet, he's not good.

Speaker 5 (51:07):
Yeah. I don't know what when people are gonna accept
that it is respective support than Donald Connect. No, I
don't think Connect over Kincaid for me. Yeah, Don Cakad
had four hundred and forty eight yards last year in
that offense where just literally no one to catch the football.
You really should be a star, like you really should.
You really should be putting up Dallas Goddter. You know
Evan Ingram type numbers four hundred forty yards is a

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little disgusting.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
And even Loveland and Warren like I like both guys.
I have them tight end twelve and thirteen. That over
god Her it's crazy to me.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
Yeah, especially Loveland. I don't especially Loveland. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
And then Tucker Craft, I don't have as many like
numbers to back up the tougher Craft thing.

Speaker 5 (51:42):
He had a stretch where he was really good.

Speaker 4 (51:45):
And I think if I'm going to take a swing
at one of the uh, one of the pass catchers
in Green Bay, It's going to be the tight end
because I think all the receivers are going to overlap
so much and there's injuries.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Maybe that kind of clears itself out.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
But Tucker Craft is the tight end, like he's going
book was built in those targets, and I think because
there's no clear guy, it helps Stuckercraft wharas it hurts
read Golden whoever you wanted to throw at me from
a wide receiver standpoint. One more thing with Goddard. Goddard
would have finished tight end eight, like I said, without
those numbers. But let's look at the guys above him,

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who would have finished in the top seven. Obviously Kittle McBride, Bowers.
Let's let's put those to the side. In Djoku finished
tight end four last year on a fantas points per
game basis. He might have Kenny Pickett on in the
ball at times this year, or Dylan Gabriel or which
might be good. I don't even know John new Smith,
who we just had a debate about. Obviously different system
at least so had his best year in his tenth

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year or whatever, and in the Miami system, and he's
not there anymore, even if he is a higher pecking
order in the Pittsburgh offense. And then Taysom Hill, who
isn't being drafted, that's one of the guys who finished
above him, and then Travis Kelsey. So three of those guys,
their situation has changed massively. And Goddard not only has
the situation not changed, it could have changed for the
better because I think there's a chance Saquon is used

(53:02):
less and I think there's change. They're just in more
close games, and you look at the schedule they might
be I think they're gonna throw a lot more this year.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
So, uh, that wraps up the tight end position.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
We're gonna come back on the other side and talk
all things wide receiver, all things on this fantasy edition
of the Tough Cover Radio Show.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
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Speaker 5 (53:43):
I might be too strong out on Compliments radio show.

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Second hour here on The Gambler, finishing up our fantasy
football conversation, went through your quarterback position, running back, tight end.
We're gonna switch it over to what I think has
become the most important position in fantasy football, this wide receiver.
We're gonna talk all things wide receiver, guys, I like
less and more than consensus. We're gonna switch over at

(54:12):
one point in this second hour to some wrestling talk,
a little All Star game ranting, Well, we'll see where
it was.

Speaker 5 (54:19):
Justice for Christy Sanchez, Justice for Chrissy. I love that.

Speaker 4 (54:23):
I love that you're doing the Christy Sanchez thing. Nobody
takes Chrissy sand like. I use Christy Sanchez all the time,
and I haven't seen anybody else use it.

Speaker 5 (54:31):
But He'll always be Christy Sanchez to me.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
Yeah, people go, people go Chris Sanchez, people go cr.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
I s something like that. It's gotta be Christy. I
go Chrissy, Christy or Christopher. I'm cool, I like Chrissy.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
But let's go to the wide receiver position to get
it started there. And I'll just start right off the bat.
The two riders, the two like highest strength wide receivers
who I'm higher than consensus on are the Philadelphia Eagles
wide receivers. And we just talked about it with Dallas Goddard.
But in all likelihood, one of Brown, Smith or Goddard
are probably going to get banged up and that will

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make the other two elite when that happens. And even
last season, in a year where Saquon Barkley rushed over
two thousand yards, it was the most run heavy offense
that you know, probably the most I haven't looked at
the numbers, but I imagine the most run heavy offense
in football. And AJ Brown, in his worst year as
an Eagle, is a down year, finishes our wide receiver
thirteen on a points per game basis, and Devonte Smith

(55:27):
finishes wide receiver sixteen on a points per game basis,
and AJ is being drafted around wide receiver eight or nine.
Davante's being drafted around, like outside the top twenty most
on most sites in terms of receivers rankings. So I
think when you're looking at aj and DeVante, you're looking
at Goddard. We just talked about it. I think they're
going to be in more close games, They're going to
throw more. The Saquan is probably going to get a

(55:49):
little bit more of a rest throughout the season. I'm
all in on all the Eagles pass catchers.

Speaker 6 (55:54):
Yeah, now, I'm with you there, And I think the
Saquon point is especially valuable here is he was awesome.
I mean literally the most rushing yards in NFL history
over the course of the entire season, with playoffs included.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
That could have chased the record if.

Speaker 6 (56:05):
You want to play that final seventeenth game or final
eighteenth or seventeenth game there, I'm not sure if that
is quite repeatable.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Is gonna be awesome.

Speaker 6 (56:13):
I think there's some sort of step back and that
directly leads to more potential for production from the other guys.

Speaker 5 (56:19):
So I like, where your head is that. So you
guys probably saw that Athletic article where the guys they
went through all the guys who got four hundred carries
the year before and they went to their fantasy performancy.
You know, the following year, no one, I think the
highest ranked guy was DeMarco Murray. No one finished better
than RB fifteen the following year Eagles legend. Yeah, de
market Eagles legend to Marco Murray. So like there's going

(56:39):
to be some regression for for Sakwon Barkley right like
two thousand yards and that's just not repeatable. That being said,
I mean some regression for for for Sakwon Barkley is
probably like along the lines of fifteen hundred yards, which
is still going to be a pretty decent game, pretty
decent season. But that said, as you mentioned in the
first segment, mark like there's going to be more attention
to the past, Like you're gonna have to throw the

(56:59):
ball a little bit more. You're probably gonna have you know,
you know, I think what A J. Brown had six
eighty seven receptions last year, somewhere around the same numbers
for for for DeVante Smith. I think they're probably for
a little bit more with one hundred receptions this year.
So I think you get a little bit more more
more of the passing game for them. And again, if
you get a full season of Dallas Goddard, and I
think he can be a top ten tight end if

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he's if he's healthy. So I think, yeah, I think
you're gonna get more of that because quite frankly, and
we you know, Sean and I talked about this before
you came. I'm out in love with the backup running
backs on this team. So if they go on Barkley's
not in the not catching that, not in the game,
I don't know what else you get out of that backfield.
To be honest with.

Speaker 4 (57:34):
You, I will say I'm very passionate about who should
be the backup running back this year, though it should
be Will Shipley really.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
So please tell me Will Shipley cause I don't don't,
I don't get it. As RB two.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
My my my take on Will Shipley is that he's
not a J.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Dillon.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Well, okay, that's right, you're just a super anti a.
He's a bad football player. Let's go through AJ Dillon's
yards per carry. I will give him credit.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
He's been an awesome social media file, but he's doing
all the Philly catering things of posting wah wah sandwiches
and they're going to Phillies.

Speaker 4 (58:06):
Let's leave odd let's leave it at there's some bad
social media there with AJ Dillon as well, if we
want to talk about some political leanings, but that's another conversation.
I hate AJ Dillon as a football player. I think
it's a joke that we signed him to the team.
I don't think he's an NFL player whatsoever.

Speaker 5 (58:25):
Not an NFL player. Wow, I mean, what's his career
yards per carries? It like three? It's less than four?

Speaker 4 (58:31):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I have never understood the AJ Dillon thing.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
I think he's made. Oh it's actually four point one.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Really, but last year twenty twenty so here's here was
my point. Twenty twenty three, it was three point four
on one hundred and seventy eight carries. The year before
he did have four point one, and his first two
years you're actually decent. But three point four on one
hundred and seventy eight carries in twenty twenty three, and
then he missed the entire season with a leg injury

(58:57):
last year. So we're getting a guy who just missed
a full seat and coming from with three point four
yards per carry season, Like I, AJ Dillon cannot get
more than twenty carries this season.

Speaker 5 (59:06):
So so you're you're you want Will Shimpley to b
RB two. Not because he's you know, a really good.

Speaker 4 (59:14):
Running back running back better, he's better than a super
Bowl experience. The devil you don't know is better than
the one you know. I guess in this case, uh
what you have thirty? Yeah, he wasn't very good at all.

Speaker 6 (59:26):
Yeah, I'm gonna give him a little bit of pugging
behind the Eagles offensive line.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
You could say that about any running back though, so
I would rather not. But I'd rather not have the
worst in the league.

Speaker 5 (59:36):
And I think he is.

Speaker 4 (59:37):
I think he's the worst running backs name that I
know and like in terms of how I would if
you signed any running back that I know the name
of Checko or a J.

Speaker 5 (59:45):
Doon check.

Speaker 4 (59:50):
Checker not coming off of a legacy up Nick Chubb
for sure. At least there's an upside, Like if I
can sell myself, maybe he becomes Nick Chubb again. Like
at least there's something there, a guy that I'm out
on who I like the talent on, and I think
I was. I was really in on this guy from
a fantasy standpoint last year, but now I'm seeing him
as a first round pick. And that's Nico Collins. Nico

(01:00:12):
Collins cannot be a first round pick after adding Jayden
and Higgins, Jayal and Noel and Christian Kirk. The whole
cell on Nico Collins was that he was the whole
offense and once tankdal got hurt, and I never bought
into the Stefon Diggs thing really anyway. So the whole
cell to me was like, this guy is the clear
number one, and he still has the clear number one.
Now there's three receivers, a tight end, and two running

(01:00:33):
backs with the worst ow line football potentially with a quarterback.
He finished QUB thirty and fantasy points per game last year,
So it's I still have him as wide receiver. Let
me make sure I have the right number here. Still
have him as wide receiver ten and I have him seven. No,
I'm not out. I have him seventeenth overall. But if
you're telling me he's going above any of neighbors, Brian Thomas, Junior,

(01:00:59):
AJ Brown, Drake London, like, I'm taking all of those
guys comfortably ahead of Nico Collins.

Speaker 5 (01:01:06):
So I'm gonna go back to my bucket analogy. Right,
So in tech in Houston, there's probably three thousand yards
out there, thirty two hundred yards passing yards. Somebody has
to catch him, right like, somebody has to get these yards.
Christian Kirk's gone, you know, I mean you have jail,
you have Jane was a Jane Higgins, ja Jayalen Nowel.
Somebody has to get these yards. They added someone, no

(01:01:27):
they added kirkry but Jalen Tank, thank you, thank Tank.
Dell's going. Stephans Diggs is going. Somebody has to catch
these yards. Somebody has to catch his passes. He had
a thousand yards. He missed five games last year, but
he's clearly the number one target and was when they
were fully healthy still, but I think a lot of that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
The numbers went way up when Diggs and there were
out though, and who was his numbers receiver was like
Xavier Hutchinson for for most of that year when he
was out there. And I think, I actually think the
bucket one is what scares me in this thing.

Speaker 5 (01:01:56):
Do you think it just goes everywhere?

Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
Yeah? I think Christian Kirk's gonna get five, six hundred.
I think Jayden Higgins was a second round pick. I
think he gets five. Jaalen Noel is going to be
a slot guy. I think he probably gets a cup
three four, five hundred, and then we're Mixon is gonna
get some they have a tight end who they use
in Dalton Schultz. All right, fair, I just think that
there's so many mouths to feed that he no longer

(01:02:18):
that the benefit of being the number one guy in.

Speaker 5 (01:02:20):
This offense doesn't mean anything to me anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
The only way you can sell me on Nico being
worth drafting above Really the debate is because he's everyone
has him behind Jamar jj C D Puka in the Manra.
So the debate is like neighbors Brian Thomas Junior aj
in London and I'm taking all those guys.

Speaker 6 (01:02:36):
Drake London is the only guy that like jumped out
is I would put up a fight with you about.

Speaker 5 (01:02:40):
Let me take a look over over Nico. I would.
I would take Nico Collins over Drake London. Yeah, I'm
not a Drake London guy either. I will say this.

Speaker 4 (01:02:48):
Point less for one Fantasy point per game less last
year and didn't miss all the time. And also I'm
buying Panics if you look. If you look at at
the end of the year, the game of the season,
I don't know how much you can use this, but
Panick started two games. In those two games, Drake London
seven for one oh six on thirteen targets and ten

(01:03:08):
for one to eighty seven on eighteen targets with two touchdowns.

Speaker 5 (01:03:12):
Like I think when Panics came in, he's like, I
like that guy. Throw to Drake London. It was target
targeted on forty one percent of his routes when Panics
got got in there. Twenty four red zone targets for
last from last year, fifth in the NFL, and forty
two percent of all of Atlanta's red zone targets. Like
when they're in the red zone, like they throw the
ball home a lot. So that's the saving grace from
Drake Lennon. I'm not in love with him. One hundred

(01:03:32):
catches last hundred catches, hundred catches last year.

Speaker 4 (01:03:34):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
Yeah, so I'm not in love with Drake Lon. Like
he just doesn't like like like the other guys, like
they'll put up, you know, have those big flashy you know,
eight for one to ninety eight games. Drake lend is
not really going to give you that. But he's he's
been pretty concill at least last year it was a
pretty consistent wide receiver and he gets a ton of
looks in the red zone, so there's something there.

Speaker 4 (01:03:50):
He had three games below ten, three games below eleven points,
so that's like, yeah, he's consistent, but he probal didn't
have that many games over twenty four points, right.

Speaker 5 (01:03:59):
Only two games above nineteen. Yeah, but those two were
two games.

Speaker 4 (01:04:03):
No, it was Week five he had thirty three point
four and then Week eighteen he had forty point seven. Okay,
he had two big games, but to that point, that
means that thirteen or twelve of his seventeen games were
between eleven and nineteen points, right, So consistent, that's very consistent.

Speaker 5 (01:04:20):
Absolutely so.

Speaker 4 (01:04:22):
Drake London is a guy who I think it's probably
a where he's around where he's being drafted. So I
don't like him that much more than consensus. But when
it comes to London, Nico, I would go with London.
There another name that I'm a little bit lower on
than consensus, and he comes from justin Herbert's defense, Lat McConkie.
Lam mcconky's being drafted. I believe his sleeper overall ranking.

(01:04:45):
Let me, he's eleven on Fantasy pros in front of
me right.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Now, eleven among receivers.

Speaker 4 (01:04:50):
Yes, so he is twenty and five, six, seven, eight, ninth,
eleven on sleeper and twentieth overall.

Speaker 5 (01:04:57):
That's crazy. Twentieth overall twenty I like that, but that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:05:01):
I have Lad as my wide receiver seventeen, and I
have him forty one overall. So it's actually more of
an overall issue than a positional rank issue for Lad.
I don't think that offense is going to throw enough
for him to have some ups. I think if you're
drafting a receiver eleventh, you have to have some concept
that guy could be a top five receiver, and I

(01:05:23):
don't see that with Lat McConkie, especially adding Trey Harris,
who I think is going to be a legitimate target
in that offense.

Speaker 5 (01:05:29):
Yeah. I mean, if he's a top you know, the
top twelve receiver, if you're drafting a wide receiver one like,
you're probably you know, twelve hundred yards, eight or nine touchdowns,
you know, maybe ten maybe outside of arrange of ten touchdowns.
That's probably the very high end of the ceiling for
lab mc conkie. Like, I don't know if he hits
those numbers necessarily so I don't know. Twentieth overall, that's
a pretty that's pretty rich, Like I'm a wide receiver twelve,

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but I don't think I take him twenty. I'm sorry, thirteen
twenty overall's very that's very rich. To Meddle, that's the
middle first around.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
Twenty overall finished wide receiver twenty points for game last year,
like if we're if we're doing it like it's just
I think the lad stuff. And I wasn't a fan
of as the prospect, and I was wrong. He's much
better player than I expected. So maybe I'm even a
little bit lower on him than I should be because
I'm still not as big on the talent as so
many people are.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
But uh, Sean doesn't want to hear.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
I think being a number one receiver and Justin Herderber
offense probably has like an eighty two catch minimum.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
Yeah, I mean that's this is a team where the
less the quarterback throws the ball, the better team chances.

Speaker 5 (01:06:27):
I meant it positively.

Speaker 4 (01:06:28):
I meant like I meant like I think glad stats
were probably like I don't think he's the twentieth Bester
Shiver like, I think he's probably like outside the top
twenty five of talent. If I was saying, yeah, that's
in fair, maybe that's unfair. I think he got inflated
by being the number one guy. Okay, and all the
other receivers there last year were terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:06:44):
When Johnson was so awful, so bad.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
As someone who used him in fantasy at points last
year because I had to use him, uh yeah, he was.

Speaker 5 (01:06:51):
He was terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
This is a name that I don't I'm not passionate
about this one that is on my do not draft list.
I like it, and I like these offense, and I
like the system. But it was shocking to me to
just see Terry McLaurin finished as wide receiver seventeen last
year on a fantasy points per game season, and that's
really good. Right, He's being drafted around there. I think

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probably maybe twenty ish.

Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
He is fifteen.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
He had thirteen touchdowns last year. Yeah, there's gonna be
some regression. He's on my negative regressions to the mean
touchdown list because there's no way he catch that many
touchdown And you also add Deebo Samuel contract issues.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
He's doing the whole out thing right now. I've the
McLaren thing.

Speaker 6 (01:07:33):
I'm with you that I've It blows my mind sometimes
from the conversations that Terry McLaren.

Speaker 5 (01:07:37):
I get it. He's had five consecutive thousand yard seasons.
Tam Aran.

Speaker 4 (01:07:41):
I have a best friend, Pat Moran, who hates Terry McLaurin,
and he thinks he's the most overrated player in sports.
He's like, people talk about him like a top ten receiver.

Speaker 6 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I'm closer to his side, Like, I've seen people
make the case that Terry McLaren's a top five wide
receiver in football, which is insanity.

Speaker 5 (01:07:55):
You've seen those duo lists, right, like the best quarterback
wide receiver duals. I've seen Terry McLaurin like inn, it's
like Jamie Daniel terr mcclar on the top four. I'm like,
what do we do in America?

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
Yeah, people think he finished is like a top five
receiver last year. I feel like people remember all the touchdowns.
They're like, oh, that guy, that's been tough. He was
fourteenth with all the touchdowns. Like I just say, yeah,
there's so much natural regression there these these real quick
I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (01:08:18):
Clark forty second in the league and target share last year,
twenty two percent of the commander's target slash. Now, you
had twelve top twenty finishes, you know, last year, so
he's a consistent guy. But again, when you get twenty
two percent of your targets of your team targets, and
you're clearly the number one receiver on that team, like
that's that's pretty low.

Speaker 4 (01:08:36):
I guess I'll group these two guys together and they're
Marvin Harrison Junior. I can't believe he's on my hate list.

Speaker 5 (01:08:41):
He's on the hate list.

Speaker 4 (01:08:42):
Yeah, wow, it's really sad man, not turn It's not
about him. What changed Kyler? No, But I'm saying from
last year to this year, gotcha? Why am I buying in?
I feel like when I see something is disappointing, as
what happened last year with Larv, I need something to
change to buy in, I see you. I need a

(01:09:02):
new offensive coordinator, I need a new quarterback. I need
a new head coach, one of something. The thing I've
talked about on I've talked on on the show like
fifteen times. I feel like I've talked about it on
my podcast with Shane Half where we talk all the
NFL teams. It only the Arizona Cardinals have a fan
base that doesn't care enough that would have allowed a
team to bring back head coach, quarterback, offensive coordinator. After

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what we've seen the last two years in Arizona, there's
been no progression from Kyler. The team has not gotten
better at all from the Daygan and got there to now.
The offense makes no sense. We're having in the middle
of the season last year when Marvin wasn't getting targets,
they asked Kyler about it and he says, oh, go
last Drew Petsing.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
So clearly the quarterback and the oseek.

Speaker 4 (01:09:42):
Aren't on the same like page I do not understand
how Arizona is.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Just like, yeah, I run it back. I don't disagree,
Like I really want to love Marmon Harrison Junior, and
I saw the reports that he gained some weight, you know,
over the last you know, over the offseason, so hashtag
muscle muscle watch for those of you out there while that.
But like you said, like nothing's changed, Like I don't like. Basically,
I think the issue was like they just didn't use
him right here, like throwing the ball like the first
half of the year, and it got better by the

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end of the year. But at the end of the day,
it's like somebody like he's too talented not not to
feature in this offense. Like, I don't understand why he
didn't have a great year. I don't understand why Trey
McBride didn't score a touchdown until Week seventeen. The whole
Arizon offense, I really don't understand. Like I like Marvin Harrison,
but again, like I'm probably more bullish on James Connor
than well Bride obviously, but I'm bullish on Connor. Yeah,
I'm more. I'm probably more bullish on James Connor than

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I am on Marvin Harrison. And it's not because of talent,
because I think Marvin Harrison's, you know, wide receiver, one
fantasy type of guy. I just think that offense just
isn't suited for him.

Speaker 6 (01:10:38):
Yeah, and see your point about Kyler. I would even
argue regression. It's absolutely from like absolutely beyond just not
taking strides forward. He's looked worse the decision making, the
way he goes about things. It's been really disappointing the
arc that Kyler Murray's career has ended up going on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:50):
My take on that is, I really do think it's
Drew Petson. I think that guy's a bozo. Like if
you watch, like I'm not a film guy, but like
if you go on Twitter and the film guys out
there were tweeting out like some of the concepts Arizona
was running last year, and I felt like the only
thing they understood was like Trey McBride is good, let's
pass it to him. Like nothing else made sense at

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all in that offense, like scheme wise, like blocking was
just a really bizarrely coach a team. I'm out on Arizona.
I think they're gonna win like five games this year.
I think they're going to really really go the other way.
Another team that I think could really go the other
way is the Miami Dolphins. What changed last year that
makes me think Tyreek Hill is going to be Tyreek
Hill again.

Speaker 5 (01:11:33):
I got sucked in. I saw I saw there was
that clip this week of Tyreek Hill at whatever camp
and they were just running rounds and just looking super fast.
I know, I know every single year Tyreek Hill, you know,
Sean Brace puts out the tweet to the group chat
or the texting the group chat. Oh, this is the
year the Tyreek Hill doesn't do anything I'm no, I'm
back in. I'm back in on Tyreek Hill. I know
he was. He was terrible. He was terrible last year,

(01:11:56):
only three top ten performances. I know he had he
had to risk injury tools terrible.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
That whole entire offense maybe with the exception of Devon
e Chan wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:12:04):
A season long with a nineteen yard catches, but he had.
He had games where you would have like one catch
for like seventeen yards. Just disgusting numbers down down the stretch.
I don't know. I just sometimes you watch a clip
on Twitter, you get sucked in. I'm back on Tyreek Hill.
I think he's gonna be like, they can't be as bad.
That entire office is awful last year, can't It might
be worse.

Speaker 4 (01:12:24):
I think that offensive line is going to be a
the Dolphins, which a right.

Speaker 5 (01:12:28):
What changed?

Speaker 4 (01:12:29):
The Dolphins came into this offseason with two huge concerns,
and it's offense. This is not a fantasy conversation, but
offensive line and secondary both got worse worse off I
think they're coming into the year with a bottom three
offensive line and a bottom three secondary, and I don't
I think I think Dolphins are gonna win like five games.
M mcdaille can fire me too, Me too, I agree,

(01:12:53):
But I think that is partially what helps the Jets
and the Patriots. From our conversation earlier is that I
really think Miami dropped off a cliff this year.

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
This is a surprising one. I'm out on the.

Speaker 4 (01:13:04):
Chiefs receivers and the chief pass catchers. The only one
I'm willing to draft is Hollywood Brown in like the
last round. I'm out on Rashie Rice where he's being drafted,
and I was in hard last year. And Xavier Worthy,
I don't have him that much lower than where he's
being drafted. But I just don't know what to expect
from this offense with Kelsey, with Rice, with Worthy, with Brown,
with the running game no no crect touchdown beast a

(01:13:29):
late round flyer to watch out for Burchard Smith running back.
I do think he could end up being like the
Kareem Hunt from last year, where is the pass catcher.
It caught a lot of passes at SMU. But I'm
out on the Chiefs pass catchers.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
I don't want. I don't want any of them. Yeah,
I think like Rice and Worthy. To me, I think
they're both borderline wide receiver twos. I think they're almost
a coin flip. Being drafted is like a top fifteen guys. Yeah,
I can't, I can't. Like to me, they're borderline wide
receiver twos. And I don't like if you told me
that David Worthy is going to be is gonna have
a better year than Rashi Rice, I wouldn't argue you down, Like,
I just don't know, Like, I just don't have any

(01:14:01):
idea of what you know, Rice is gonna look like
after that that knee injury and that he had in
a week four where he look pretty good, you know,
in limited action. Yeah, I think it's just there's just
a lot of question marks with that Chiefs offense. You know,
you got you know, the wide receiver situation. Obviously. I
think Kelsey's gonna have a little bit you know, the
positive regression in the meaning as far as touchdowns and
things like that. But he's not gonna be the ninety

(01:14:21):
was ninety seven ninety five catches that the head last year.
I don't see that they happen again again this year.
And you know that that running that backfield is a
mess like Pacheko is probably the guy. But what is
the guy in Kansas City? You know? Does he get
eight carries instead of seven or six or whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
So it's so yeah, So I'm I'm a I'm very
I'm very, very more bearish on that on that Chiefs
offense and than most like I probably would draft for
she Rice and re save Worthy is you know, low
end wide receiver twos.

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
But I'm not going out of my way to do it.

Speaker 4 (01:14:49):
We'll go a little rapid fire here on the last
few one name of course, I say rapid fire, and
then like I would, I might have a lot to
say here.

Speaker 5 (01:14:58):
I name that.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
I think this guy's become one of the more rated
players in football as well. Zay Flowers, Yeah, gets drafted
way too high. Do you know what say Flowers finished
points per game last year? Wide receiver forty two, Wide
receiver forty two last year on a on a points
per game basis, Wow, seven seventy four catches for a

(01:15:19):
thousand and fifty nine yards. But that's what happens when
you only have four touchdowns. Yeah, and this is my
big thing this year, and maybe maybe this is dumb.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
What changed?

Speaker 4 (01:15:27):
What changed in Baltimore? Lamar Jackson last year? They lost
another playoff game. They probably n't nough.

Speaker 5 (01:15:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Lamar Jackson last year posted his career high in passing yards,
his career high and passing touchdowns, his career high and
touchdown percentage, his career low and interception percentage, his career
high in yards per game.

Speaker 5 (01:15:41):
Everything you can have a career high.

Speaker 4 (01:15:43):
Didn't win MVP, by the way, even though he has whatever,
we're not gonna task, but Zay Flowers, why am I
supposed to expect that he's just going to be better
all of a sudden, maybe he gets better touchdown.

Speaker 5 (01:15:55):
I was going to say he'll go because like Mark
Andrews had eleven touchdowns, Like that's not gonna happen. So
maybe Zay gets some of some of those touchdowns. You know,
I don't know what Henry had, what fourteen sixteen touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
So that probably means he could get to wide receiver
twenty five. So he's being drafted.

Speaker 5 (01:16:11):
I think, like, let.

Speaker 4 (01:16:14):
Me see ESPN, he's fifty two overall and sleeper. My
guess is like twenty twenty two, twenty five, twenty five. Yeah,
so that's too high for me.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
I have him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:24):
Let's this is bad radio, but I have him Wide
Receiver thirty three. I just I'm out completely.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
I'm gonna hid jack you for a second because that
because i have questions that I need answered here, and
I'm going to use this time since you made me work.
Jawan Jennings, where are you? Because I think I'm on
an island. I'm on an island with Jawan Jennings. You're
I'm in. I think I'm in. I'm in, Okay, all right.
I wouldn't say I love him.

Speaker 4 (01:16:46):
I think I have him like I have Juwan Jennings
Wide Receiver thirty nine.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
I'm twenty nine. I'm iron on.

Speaker 4 (01:16:54):
You could sell me up to you could sell me
up to thirty two, okay, honestly, Shakira and a Dunes
they are thirty and thirty one for me. After that,
you could sell me him over Flowers, Judy Pickens, Wattle,
Ridley Cup Godwin, you could. I could easily take him
over any of those guys.

Speaker 5 (01:17:11):
Yeah, like, because Brandon and I probably won't be ready
for you know, for a week one. You know, CMC
still banged down. Party loves him, Party, party loves him,
you know. And then George Kittle, I mean, I think
George KITT's still gonna have a you know, a pretty
sizable spot in an offense. But again there's receptions that
need to go around on his offense. Yees seventy seven
catches last year, only started ten games, and I know,
you know he was dug eye when everybody got hurt

(01:17:32):
at the end of the year. But again with Debo
going and you and aw you hurt. Like, I think
he clears the thousand yards easy. I think he's I
think he's gonna have drafted way too low.

Speaker 4 (01:17:40):
Well, a guy I have one spot behind Juwan Jennings
who's being drafted way above Juwan Jennings. I'm not taking
a guy who's gonna play corner most of the year
and the sixth round or something like the way Travis
Hunters being drafted is idiotic. With Brian Thomas there, the
way he was drafted in the NFL draft was idiotic
and traded for in my opinion. But the Travis Hunters saying,

(01:18:00):
people just love the shiny objects. People love the shiny object,
and I don't. I don't get it. And then one
last name that I'm out on because he should be
in a concussion word having his brain studied his Chris Alave.
If he has another concussion, he's not playing football again.
So I have no interest. He's being drafted sixty fifth
on sleeper. The guy misses more time due to concussion

(01:18:21):
than he plays. Like, I just he is a stud.
When he's a good player, he's a good player. I
think that guy's brain is scrambled beyond repair. I think
this point, yeah, ESPN, I think that's all right. He
is why receiver thirty eight being drafted thirtieth over rold.
But four concussions in three years, you're right, like week
two he has concussion. He's not playing the rest of
the year. So I don't know if you want to,
you know, block him in ever again? Why receive whatever again?

(01:18:42):
But I think they I think he said something about
it where he's like, yeah, we're gonna have to you know,
or was he I I don't think it was him.
That they asked him about it and he's like, yeah,
probably can't have another lane.

Speaker 5 (01:18:51):
It's like, okay, that's probably.

Speaker 4 (01:18:54):
Not great to say, yeah yeah, and that I'll run
down these pretty fast. Jamison Williams, he finished wide receiver
twenty five. These are guys i'd like, by the way,
stretching gears finish wide receiver twenty five, But if you
look at the last nine games, fifteen and a half
Fantasy points per game over the over the last nine
games down the stretch would have been wide receiver sixteen
over the full year. I understand that Ben Jonson's gone,

(01:19:15):
and I think a lot of guys will be hurt
by that. I don't think Jamison Williams is really on that.
I think he's just so dynamic, such a big play
that he kind of makes his He's like he's like
two face, I make my own look Jameis and Williams.

Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
I like that. Actually, I was gonna that's my tagline
for Jameson Williams this year. A guy that this might
be this guy.

Speaker 4 (01:19:32):
If Chase Brown wasn't my guy, this guy would be
my guy's. Jacoby Meyers, Yeah, baby, I love Jacoby Myers.
Oh my god, all in on Jacoby Myers Wide receiver
nineteen last year with the worst QB play and worst
head coach in the league on an offense that force
fed Bowers like they didn't know anything else was available.
But Jacoby Myers, I have him. Wide Receiver twenty five

(01:19:52):
fifty four overall, he is eighty five overall on sleeper.

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
He had eighty seven catches last year, Like you said,
offense had forced s with aiden kind of the force
fed like everybody knew it was, like you know, Brock
Parers left, Brock bars right, He's still had a thousand
yards in eighty seven catches. Love Jacoby Myers, absolutely love.
He's a steal this year.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
You want to just say Jacobin Myers is a better
football player than say Flowers.

Speaker 5 (01:20:14):
Sure, and yeah, I'm he's done this so much.

Speaker 4 (01:20:16):
Jacoby Myers had the last let's just talk with the
last five years, fifty nine for seven to twenty nine,
eighty three for eight sixty six, seventy seven for eight
to four, seventy one for eight oh seven, eighty seven
for ten twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:20:28):
Like, this guy's just a really good football player.

Speaker 4 (01:20:30):
Like I've always been to ch Coobe Myers guy, even
when he was throwing the ball across the field in
that in that Patriot game, crazy guy. But Chbin Myers
loved that guy. Jordan Addison wide receiver twenty one last year,
and I get it Howkinson's back. When Hockinson was back
last year, Addison was better than he was when Howkinson
was out, and I get it new quarterback. We talked
about that already. I don't think Sam Darnold some amazing

(01:20:51):
thing they're gonna have to live up to. So I
like Jordan Addison a lot Khalil Shakir. I'm not someone
who really cares about or values consistency generally because I
think is random. But I buy it with Shakir due
to Josh Allen, I think there is real consistency to
rely on there. It didn't add anything, nothing changed, So
give me a khlul Shakir Roma Duneesay, I just believe
in the talent. That's just like I'm not really buying

(01:21:13):
a lot of Bears stock on anybody. If I am
on anybody, it's Romadonsay. I think it feels like we
could see a crazy breakout this year and it's like
there it is. They figured out how to use a
Duneesay last name before we go to break Trey Harris,
I'm not as high on lad. I think if he
stops being the number one guy, I think Trey Harris
is going to be a legitimate downfield option. I really
like Trey Harris, one of my favorite picks in that

(01:21:35):
draft for the Chargers. Let's take a break and on
the other side, a little grab bag of all things sports.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Right here on the Tough Car Radio Show.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
If you can wager on it, we're talking about it.
It's the Gambler, Baby.

Speaker 5 (01:21:57):
Sneak.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Welcome back to the Tough Cover Radio Show. Right here
on the game. They're closing it down in the twelve
o'clock hour. Let's talk a little, Let's talk a little Phillies,
Let's talk a little All Star.

Speaker 5 (01:22:17):
Because, Ah, to be honest, I never I.

Speaker 4 (01:22:21):
Don't get fired up about the All Star Game anything
related to the All Star Game because I've watched an
All Star Game and I think a half decade. I
think they're bad products, and I think they're meaningless products.
But I will say I understand being annoyed about the
way that this All Star Game has been treated, especially
by the League, some of the choices they've made to
I mean, it's not like Sanchez and Suarez. It's a

(01:22:43):
joke that they're not in. Yes, it's an absolute joke.
Trey should be into whatever. All that stuff. The missi
Erowski one actually bothers me less because it's such a.

Speaker 5 (01:22:50):
Gimmick that I know what they're doing.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
They're just trying to get this young phenom in the game,
and it's exciting and get this guy in front of everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:22:56):
I get it. You're selling your sport.

Speaker 4 (01:22:59):
David Peterson, Robert Suarez and a and like the name.
Some of those names make no sense. It's really stupid.

Speaker 5 (01:23:06):
Ranger apparently turned it down.

Speaker 4 (01:23:07):
Sanchez has not gotten the opportunity because he pitches tomorrow.

Speaker 5 (01:23:11):
Put that all aside.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
It took a dumb tweet to get me to care
about this conversation, Tim Kelly from Tim Kelly Sports on Twitter.

Speaker 5 (01:23:21):
I don't really I don't know the guy. I don't cos.

Speaker 4 (01:23:25):
I've seen him pop up on my timeline plenty of times,
but I'm not familiar with him.

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
That much, he tweeted.

Speaker 4 (01:23:31):
I know it wasn't popular, but everyone involved took the
All Star Game more seriously when it determined home field
advantage in the World Series. Give it some sort of
meaning again and lengthen the All Star breaks of players
can still get some time off if they participate. The
way you fix the All Star Game is not by
instituting the dumbest rule in baseball history back into effect.
It was an absolute atrocity that the reliever.

Speaker 5 (01:23:56):
That had that had to be on.

Speaker 4 (01:23:58):
The All Star team because he's on the sixteen and
forty Chicago Whites. That's way too few games, by the way,
cost sixteen and seventy whatever you want to say, Chicago
White Sox, and every team has to have a team there.
And then Shane Smith goes out and then eighth inning
and blows the game for the American League and the
one hundred win Yankees have to play on the road
against the eighty five win Diamondbacks because of the Shane

(01:24:21):
Smith and the eighth inning of the All Star Game.
That is so stupid. That's all I had to say. Well,
and I was also going to point out that specific
rule as well. I think it's insane that every team
has to have an All Star. If you don't have
an All.

Speaker 5 (01:24:33):
Star, then you don't have an All Star, Right.

Speaker 6 (01:24:35):
That's kind of how it works here is you should
there should be a standard of talent that is led
into this game, and it feels like that's evaporated this year,
that Christopher Sanchez and Rangers Farez are All Star talents
like Christopher Sanchez this year. To lay it out, he's
fourth in the National League in era, he's ninth in strikeouts,
twelfth in wipth, tenth in batting average against. He's been
in All Star that he's got better numbers on a

(01:24:56):
larger sample size than guys that are being let in here.
And for Christopher Santa specifically, this is a situation where
it's tied to he gets a monetary bonus for qualifying
for the All Star Game. So while it's fair for
you and I not to care about this and whether
or not we're gonna watch the game whatsoever, it does
matter to these guys pockets to an extent, and I
do feel bad for him for that exact reason.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
Are we passed to the point of participation trophies? Right right?
I think we're at the point now, like as a
society where you know what, if I have a team
where I don't have any guys who are valid for
the All Star team, that's fine, Like it's fine. You know,
I'm gonna watch the game or not watch the game,
not just because the Phillies there or not there or
anything like that. I want to see the twenty five
or twenty six, whatever the number is, best players in
each league exactly, like I don't want to see, you know,

(01:25:37):
poverty cases, handout cases for terrible teams, Like I don't
want to see that. This is this is ridiculous, Like
that's a very antiquated rule that needs to go. And again,
these guys don't care about home field advantage, Like eighty
percent of these teams won't get close enough to the
World Series, so they do not care about Imagine the
NBA did this right, like it It doesn't make any sense.
These guys don't care.

Speaker 4 (01:25:55):
There's no initiative for these guys to play hard and say, oh, well,
you know what, I really want to to have home
field advantage in the World Series, so I'm gonna throw
ninety nine instead of ninety seven.

Speaker 5 (01:26:04):
The no bro like this, it doesn't make any sense.
I'm sorry. Yeah, it's a it's a joke. That was
a terrible, terrible way.

Speaker 4 (01:26:10):
It's like, try to fix the problem with like NBA
All Star Weekend every time that comes round, and fix Ebruary.

Speaker 5 (01:26:16):
I could fix that in February, we can. We can
have this conversation.

Speaker 4 (01:26:20):
It just always bothers me, Like the whole week leading
up and week after it's this conversation about fixing the
All Star Game, and I'm like, I saw certain conversations.
I just don't have the energy for it. It's like
any any labor conversations in sports. You know what you
guys handle that. I'll check in when it's over, like
and I think, by the way, we're gonna have to
deal with that in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 5 (01:26:41):
So baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:26:43):
Baseball is not going to have a season in twenty
twenty seven. But that's a whole other conversation for three
years from now. But obviously, last night was a Friday,
so Philly's lost. It's a Saturday talk cover radio show.
We're only allowed to talk about Philly's losses. Frustrating one.
Not gonna put too much into it. It does seem
like we've officially hit the point of the season where
every game they lose is a referendum on why this

(01:27:05):
team has a bunch of losers and Rob Thompson will
never manage a team to winning and this is no
different than last year. And then you look at the
standings and they're in first place. Fair it seems like
that's where we're at at this point of the year.

Speaker 6 (01:27:17):
Yeah, I will say I am willing to step in
his third base coach to the Philadelphia Philly.

Speaker 4 (01:27:24):
He is the worst person at his job in this country.

Speaker 5 (01:27:28):
Job one job, go or don't go, Go or don't go.
It does seem to get that one wrong quite often.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
There's a weekly Dusty Wathon like complaint that I have
I hate the guy.

Speaker 5 (01:27:39):
Yeah, no, I do think that's fair.

Speaker 6 (01:27:41):
It's nice that we're starting to get some trade deadline
buzz that for the first time this week it felt
like this isn't Dave Dombrowski just sitting on his hands
a little bit and letting this team play out. While
I agree with you Mark that it is not time
to panic every time this team loses its game loses
a game here, I do think it is time to
evaluate that there are upgrades that need to happen on
this roster. I love the Emmanuel class A buzz. I
love the Stephen Kwan buzz that. There's some names popping

(01:28:02):
right now in the market here. I need to see
something to solidify why we should be all in on
this team.

Speaker 5 (01:28:07):
But we're seeing Bryce Harper begin to look like Bryce Harper.
We saw one game where he leaves broke out of
which is really encouraging.

Speaker 6 (01:28:13):
This is like borderline historic stuff from the starting pitching staff.

Speaker 5 (01:28:16):
There are holes that need to be filled. But this
is a good baseball team.

Speaker 4 (01:28:18):
Every every name that comes out for me is yeah,
but why not? I don't want to spend a lot
of money on it, or I don't want to spend
a lot of assets on a on a high level
reliever at all. I think there's a main, main, main,
top key problem to this team and what's going to
hold him back in October? And it's not the bullpen.
It's another bat and more so than another bat. About

(01:28:40):
who can hit for power power back? Yeah, about who
can put some balls in the seats that ain't Stephen Kwan.

Speaker 5 (01:28:45):
And it's not any of the names that keep coming up.
And Bucks's out there and always hurt all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:28:51):
Bucks, It's perfect Bucks, buckst it's the guy, but he's
hurt all the time. I'll take the chance because of
the power when he's healthy, he's an elite fielding power.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
I mean, look a game.

Speaker 4 (01:29:04):
My issue with Buxton is or not my issue. The
reason I'm in is you trade for him and he
gets hurt, You're in the same spot right now.

Speaker 5 (01:29:11):
Who cares? Really like he'll be here.

Speaker 4 (01:29:13):
He's also on a really cheap deal, Like he's on
a deal that's like really team friendly for the next
I forget how many years, but I'm really unbuckst and
I don't think they're gonna trade him. There's a lot
out there that Minnesota doesn't want to trade him, that
he actually like loves Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (01:29:25):
So I feel pretty passionate about that. Minnesota fans all that.

Speaker 4 (01:29:29):
Yeah, yeah, people do not think he's gonna get traded.
And it's like, I don't want to spend any of
the assets it's gonna cost to get Joan, Duran, Griffin,
Jacks Uh, These top Emmanuel Classe, these top bullpen, aren't.
I keep going back to this, and this is maybe
a stupid way to think about it. I felt as
good as I could possibly feel last year after having
the best bullpen in baseball going into the playoffs with

(01:29:52):
our bullpen. Jeff Hofflin was elite last year. Ryan Kirkran
was elite last year. Matt Strong was elite last year.
People have created this version of history that Carlos Stives
came here him was terrible. He was sixty, alright, you
see his numbers this year to two years. But people
are acting like, oh he left another guy leaves pictures
really well, It's like, is he Ari's point four better?

(01:30:13):
He's been better, He's been the closer, so it's like
a little different role. But like people because he gave
up a home run to Francisco Lindur in the NLTS,
people have now created in their head that he's never
been the same thing with Kimber, like people created in
their head that Kimber was terrible for the whole year.
Kimber made the All Star team and it was like
had like a two vrau. Yes, but like we had

(01:30:34):
four relievers under two seven last year going into the playoffs.
Not to mention iron like, I was telling people who
they were wise was good, and I was telling people
they were like a lot of their guys was pitching good,
and then it was as bad as possible. I think
the bullpen in the playoffs, people don't want to hear this.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
A lot of it's random. In twenty twenty.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Two, we had by far our worst bullpen in the
last four years. It performed by far like our best
bullpen in the playoffs. Andrew Bilot, you like one point
three r A in the plast I think so much
of bullpen is small sample size and randomness that I
don't want to go out and go get the best
closer to make ourselves feel good about that. Go get

(01:31:12):
me a mediocre bat over getting me a great closer.
I feel that strongly about going and needing someone to
back clean up, or going and needing someone to hit
for power, going and needing someone to play center field.
That's to me the biggest problem with this Philly team.

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
And to pitch in on that, I'm completely ready to
pull the plug on the Max Kepler experiences a joke
that like, well least he's a good.

Speaker 5 (01:31:32):
Teammate, right, good, good dude, what's the start? What is
a good dude? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:31:35):
I mean, if somebody wants to send you a bag
of balls for Max Kepler the deadline, I would give
some thought to that one, because I just don't see
the vision like he's just even like if we want
to make the case like Rojas, like you obviously can't hit,
but there's like a defensive benefit that you can talk
yourself into what exactly does Max Kepler do that is
beneficial to this baseball team?

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
And I struggle to find like a legitimate answer to that.
Maybe he's a vibes guy again, maybe it's just like certain.
We got plenty of time to talk trade deadline.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
We'll have at least two more shows before the trade deadline,
so we'll we'll dive into that a little bit more here.
Let's close this, We'll get into We'll get into NBA more.
We got plenty of time for the win totals as well.
Let's close the show with a little wrestling talk a
couple of minutes here Big Wrestling Weekend. We talked about
it earlier in the show. Is AW the show you're
most excited for? This?

Speaker 5 (01:32:22):
AW is the show you and I talked about this
off area, like this is probably one of the first
a W pay per views we'll probably buy. Like this
is this is top to bottom, and I put this
on Twitter top to bottom. This is probably one of
the best AEW cards that I've seen in years. Maybe
you know I was gonna Simia since those first you know,
those first all out cards and back you know when
when they first started. There's just so much talent. If

(01:32:42):
you're just a fan of professional wrestling, just the sport itself,
you're gonna see some of the best best talents in
AW this this weekend on a on all end. Is
MJF on the card. I don't know he is. I
don't believe he is. I believe he is. Yeah, I
know it hurts syndicates in the tag match, but it
hurts Nicks in the ten match. He's probably in, well,
he's he's probably in that casino battleroyal. Yeah, so you

(01:33:04):
have the casino, but the men's and women's casino bout Royal.
You have Omeg Kenny Omega versus Okada, you have obviously
Moxie verus Hangman for the AW Championship, Tony Storm, Mercedes Monete,
you have really good arresting, you got really good graps
coming on on AW this weekend.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
The main I mean, I think, by far the most
exciting match on this card, and what should be the
main event, and it will not be the main event.

Speaker 5 (01:33:26):
Is Tony and Mercedes.

Speaker 4 (01:33:27):
I mean those two are the most I think I
could argue the two most legitimate made events in the
company in Mercedes and Tonal.

Speaker 5 (01:33:35):
I don't hate that take that take. I think.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
I think Swerve and Osprey are right there with them.
But yeah, and of course they're you know in attag
match that doesn't matter. So great booking by Tony No, no,
I can't say that on this card of all. But
I just the one thing that holds me back from
saying like this is the best card in five year
or like how like really long Moxley and Hangman is
just I know, but you gotta end this Moxi thing.

(01:33:59):
That's the thing you think it's any I think. I
think if it doesn't, there's going to be rise in
the streets. I think Hangman's the guy they think is
going to be the guy to like beat, be the
baby face that takes it over.

Speaker 5 (01:34:10):
Yeah, but he's one of the ogs from way back when.
And again like this is you know who.

Speaker 4 (01:34:14):
He beat the bell for Swerve. I think, yeah, he
should be the one that takes it back. That's a
whole other conversation that the way Tony has book Swerve
has really bothered me for a long time. He's I think,
like the realist deal in the company personally.

Speaker 5 (01:34:25):
But whatever. I don't know if you saw that that
the tweet the matter one of the young books said
that the people are tuning into a w because of
this whole Death Riders thing. My brother, I don't know
what you're watching, but having the belt innocent a briefcase
for the last eight months is not the way you
book book wrestling. That's not the way you do it.
I'm sorry. Real quick evolution, Yes, I've seen that.

Speaker 4 (01:34:45):
There's a lot of like I don't know if you've
been seeing this from like the dirt sheets, a lot
of anger from the women's.

Speaker 5 (01:34:50):
It should be like the build, the build, the evolution.
That's the women's the All women's pay per view, the
ww pay per view in Atlanta on Sunday. The bill
has been awful. I don't know if how much shoot
attention to you can paiges, but they haven't built out
these storylines. I mean, you have Tiffany Stratton versus Tris Stratus.
Why do they fight? What's the What's what's the why?
Like the restling, the question with the wrestling is what
is the why? Why do these two people? Wy do

(01:35:12):
I care? Why are these two people fighting each other?
Trist Stratus just showed up, you know, w Stratton said,
all right, let's fight. Like there's really no why to this,
Like Jay car going Naomi, there's a why. I get it,
your sky Ria Ripley, there's a why I get it.
There's just no why to some of these matches. They're
just kind of thrown together. I'll give I'll give Tony credit.

Speaker 4 (01:35:29):
And I think the big problem I have with AW
is that I think that the women's rosters like really shallow.
But they've done a great job with Tony and Mercedes
beating everybody in the company, and well they lost their
other inter blake. But and now this feels bigger than
any ww women's match on that.

Speaker 5 (01:35:47):
Card of entirely clear by a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:35:51):
So good for good for AW in that way, But
it does feel like the evolution. Oh, I didn't see
this trist Stratus calm on the evolution, she.

Speaker 5 (01:36:02):
Said, she said it was terrible, like and she's right, like,
you know, it's just had to like just again, what
is the why to this? It's almost I mean, Kuther Goldberg,
there's a little bit of why so, like, yeah, Luther
Goldberg sat a night Man event. There's a little bit
of why there. So it's like, all right, I kind
of get that the tris the Tris Stratton thing I
just don't get. And I got good, look, I know
you want to bring back some of the old legends

(01:36:22):
and things like that, and have. I won't say old
apologies to trict status some of the legendary divas from
the past, you know, you know, to bring them back
and give a little bit of rub to evolution, but
you got to build a storyline, like you just can't
just do this in three weeks and just kind of
make people care.

Speaker 4 (01:36:35):
I will say, I think the graps On evolution will
be great, like I don't yeah, yeah, yeah, even if
it doesn't, hasn't meant anything like it's gonna be amazing.
Match Jade Jane Naomi is gonna be fun. I'm I'm
a Jade car Gil Defender, so I even in a
W I was in on Jade. But and then Becky
Bailey weird bird Girl. That'll be a good triple threat man.

(01:37:00):
So and then tonight you mentioned God there Goldberg before
we get.

Speaker 5 (01:37:03):
Out of here. Anything else on that car that people need
to know about solo Jimmy, I mean yeah, I mean
there's a the Drew McIntyre Randy Orton was as a
macatary Orton. Yeah, Matt, the kind of they kind of
threw that together, drew a w buzz going around. I
didn't see that.

Speaker 4 (01:37:17):
I saw some buzz you just signed a contry. Yeah yeah,
I saw some people talking about that and I didn't.
I don't know where where that came from, but uh yeah.
I think the most one last thing before we get
out of here, most interesting thing in wrestling right now
to me is what's.

Speaker 5 (01:37:30):
Going on with Cross like this.

Speaker 4 (01:37:33):
I'm not like a big Cross guy generally, I think, like,
what is happening with his character like gives me hope
for wrestling. This feels like Zach Ryder fifteen years ago
and guys getting over organically internet. I thought we were
done with that error.

Speaker 5 (01:37:47):
Yeah no, but I mean, like you can tell like
if you can if you can build, like if you
don't get on TV and you can find a way
to kind of build a following offline, well online but
off off off air, Like that's magical, Like a lot
of people just can't do that. But you saw that,
like Chelsea Green kind of build her character away from
the cameras and then you saw, you know what, she's
built that up too.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
So yeah, so again, kudos to carry Cross. Hopefully this
kind of leads somewhere. I love the Sammy Cross storyline.
I think it's awesome, and I think this should build
the Cross getting put over Strong Triple H. The way
he's treated, maybe it's like maybe he's playing into it
and he knows yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:18):
He's.

Speaker 5 (01:38:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:38:21):
I do think he should get over at the end
of this, and it should lead to Sammy being even
more of an underdog who wins the Rumble in Saudi
Arabia in January.

Speaker 5 (01:38:28):
But that's for another discussion. That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Do it for the show. Thanks to Roy, Thanks to Shawn,
Thanks to everybody for listening. Tough cover Country, that's right,

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