Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard dive into the #NBAPlayoffs and a Game 2 between the #Knicks and #Pacers that saw the #Pacers win a second straight game in Madison Square Garden to take a 2-0 series lead in the Eastern Conference Finals.
In Hour 2, they talk about the white-hot #Phillies, winners of 8 in a row. They also eulogize Around the Horn, which aired its last show on ESPN.
In Hour 2, they talk about the white-hot #Phillies, winners of 8 in a row. They also eulogize Around the Horn, which aired its last show on ESPN.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Number one on your car radio preset hand and new
and improved. Iheard radio w D A y S and
w D two seven break Day Philadelphia is Fox Sports
Radio The Gambler and.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let you want to talk right down to that and
the language that everybody here can easily understand.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The listen n.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hello, he ad, the coastality, the postco contra nality, the coastality.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's sun Ore.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Hello, and welcome to the fun cover radio show. I
am your host, as always, Mark Henry Junior. You can
follow me on Twitter, Mark Henry Jr. NFL.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
We're gonna be going from eleven to one right here
on the Gambler on iHeartRadio back on the ones and
two at my co host as always, schaum Bernard.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You can follow on Twitter at Shawn Underscore Bernard one Sewan.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
You know what, wait pause, My inflection is not positive enough,
it's not happy enough.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
This is a good show for Schaunard and I. Chaum
Bernard and I have to both come on here and
eat crow plenty of times. When you give as many
takes as I think we do, I think you open
yourself up for that, and that's just how it works.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
And you know when you're wrong, you have to eat it.
But when you're right, it feels good coming on these shows.
And you know we talk about that with the Phillies
winning or losing. It feels even better when it comes
to takes or picks. And here we are the Indiana
Pacers just went into the Madison Square Garden, the mecca
New York City, right on Miles McBride Boulevard and Delonne Drive,
(03:01):
and went up two to oh on Sam Austre's New
York Knickerbockers and Sean I'll give the floor as yours.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Yeah, it's a good day to be a hater. Mark
Henry Jr. That I very much enjoyed watching these past
two games. Not only has been some great quality hoops,
but it has ended in the exact direction that I preferred. There,
So an incredibly disastrous game one, just blown game there,
one of the more unreal comebacks I've seen in any sport,
with Aaron Nasmich just gone on an absolute heater Tyrese
Haliburn with the choke sign out in New York. It
(03:32):
was cinema there, so I absolutely love that, and then
following that up with just a grown up, mature victory
in Game two by this Pacers team, they just straight
up looked like the better basketball team. It's about the
time we give this Pacers team a little respect. This
is their second straight year in the conference finals. They've
been doing this for a while now, and I think
Midnight has officially struck on the Cinderella New York rum.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
The Indiana Pacers. Now in the last sixty nine games.
Do you know how many wins they have in that stretch, Sean.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Bernard fifty six.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
It's fifty. I shouldn't even have phrase praised it like
that because I was phrasing it to have you go over.
But fifty and nineteen is a crazy, crazy run. I mean,
that's a sixty win pace over a full NBA season,
and it's just this team start at ten to fifteen.
Alibert had a bad start to the season.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
That's pretty much the only reason that this is a
title favorite title contending one or.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
A two seed.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
To be honest, they should have been what Cleveland was
this year to some capacity if they just didn't get
off to a bad November and December, which you know,
I think they've more than made up for by now
and might go to their first step I you know,
I don't want to be the jinxter, but I said
before Game one, if you take two.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Games in New York, there's no way the Knicks are
winning this series. And I haven't looked at what the
series market is. I don't know if you could, if
you could pull that up.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Over on DraftKings, but I can't imagine Indiana losing both
games in Indiana. I think this is at least three
to one going back to Game five.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah, looking at the price on DraftKings sportsbook, Pacers minus
five to twenty five favorites, giving the New York's plus
four hundred odds of a comeback there. For comparison, here
the Thunder minus fourteen hundred favorites, with the Timberwolves at
plus eight to fifty, so giving the Nicks more of
a puncher's chance than the Timberwolves are coming back, which
I do think is fair based on how dominant the
Thunder have looked there. But yeah, I'm happy for this
(05:29):
Pacers team. Man and a guy I specifically want to
give a little bit more love to is Tyrese Haliburton.
I think him being voted the most overrated player, which
was nonsense from the start, that I've kind of called
that out directly, as this isn't a vote that players
take as who's the most overrated player. It's a vote
that players take is who do we dislike a little
bit or who do we think is corny that doesn't
carry themselves in the way they will like? And that's
(05:50):
why Tyrese Halburton wins that award. It has very little
to do with his actual play, but boy is he
wearing that chip on his shoulder and I'm loving every
second of it. From Holburn's perspective, I've never been like
the number on Tyrese Haliburton guy, but I've had some
sympathy for him this year and really the past couple
of years the way that he's been talked about. So
it's been pretty cool for him to really step into
the spotlight and have the chance and execute proving everyone
(06:10):
wrong down the stretch here.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I wanted to grab Becky for this.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Tyrese Halliburton big big Golden Doodle owner Mike caviapoo Becky.
If you look at his header on Twitter, his dog
very much looks almost exactly like just a bigger version
of my dog. And he had nikes this year that
were custom like golden doodle like like kind of design
on the sneakers that he wore for like a dog
(06:36):
appreciation night at the Pacers game or something, and pretty
cool when I saw that and not to mention and
I said this on the trill stream and people thought
I was crazy. Tyre's Halliburton in my opinion, and someone
might be able to find someone different. I think he's
the most famous like true sicko WWE fan, Like he
watches Raw, SmackDown, NXT, every paper.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I don't like. I don't watch every roll on SmackDown
on NXT.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I watch every pay per view and I kind of
consume wrong on SmackDown the way a lot of people
do in twenty twenty five, which is through Twitter and
through clips and through YouTube and not watching the full
two hour show. Tyre's Halliburton is like a true sicko
and knows everything. He went on a podcast once that
I listened to Peter Rosenberg's wrestling podcast and it was
you know a lot of people are like, oh yeah,
(07:23):
I like the wrestling stuff and d X John Cena, Yeah,
Ram Stereo, like he was going deep talking wrestling and
like storylines and fantasy booking.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
People might think he's lame, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Those are two specific things that I've kind of seen
him do off the court over the last year that
I've become a big Haliburton off the court fan. Yeah,
so him doing all this on the court, it just
makes me even even more in on Haliburton. This Pacers team,
I said it a couple of weeks ago, is my
favorite non Lebron Sixers team in a very long time.
And honestly it's I I'm not a Lakers guy at all,
(07:58):
so it's my favorite non Lebron. It's my favorite non
Cavs team from from that twenty to twenty tens.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So I love this Pacers team. I think they're so
fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah, it's that that I saw the forty I think
it's forty seven minutes that the the Knicks players. The
forty three minutes that the Knicks starting lineup have logged together,
they have posted at one fifty five point one defensive
ratings against the Pacers. They have just not been able
to defend this Pacers team and this this NIXT team.
(08:29):
And I think a lot of this goes to show
just how dead the Celtics were with with Chris STAPs
and everything going on with him with Drew and his content,
like he aged like Benjamin Button in one series and
lost all of his abilities. Jalen Brown we found out
with a hurt munificious injury.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Obviously, Jason Tatum goes out in Game five.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
By the way, a lot of Knicks fans were saying, like, oh,
you can't say we would have lost that game because
we were up eight when Jason Tatum went out. Well,
what happened to that Pacers team when you were comply
line with fifty seconds left? But yeah, I mean the
Pacers go out and put one thirty eight up in
game one and obviously one fourteen, not as much in
Game two, but yeah, the second half they put up
(09:12):
sixty five points thirty three in the fourth. I just
I don't think the Knicks are good enough to handle
this Pacers team and to score with this Pacers team
on a consistent basis. And the reason that I love
watching Indiana is because they just have different options. And
I've talked about this all playoff run and every time
I bet, I feel like I bet on the Pacers
a lot on this show on Saturdays, and every time I've.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Brought it up. It's just they're so deep.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
They are so deep, they have so many guys who
can get hot in any given game. Obviously, Tyres Taliburton
is gonna do what he's gonna do. Even in game
two he didn't have I don't know what his final
line was. In game two, he didn't have that that
crazy of a game.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, fourteen eleven and eight five is sixteen shooting, three
of ten shooting not great in terms of shooting for
in the field. Pascal Siakam goes out and balls out
and that's thirty nine points.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And that's really the Siakam game.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Game one, not only was it the Halliburton game, and
you have aaron Ne Smith going eight of nine from
three obi top and I don't think it's been His
stat line hasn't been great, but I feel like he's
given them some big moments and some clutch buckets at times.
And you look at TJ McConnell had some really big
moments in this game.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I know your guy, Ben Shephard, you love him.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Two big three guy.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Last night, Miles Turner hit multiple big shots in the
last three minutes of the game. Like when you think
about Miles Turner, You're not thinking going to him for
big shots down the stretch, But I mean, that's what
he was doing. And I I just I love this
Pacers team.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I think they have a chance against Oklahoma City if
that's what we see. Obviously, I think Oklahoma City wins,
but I really do think that, you know, I don't
want to count the Pacers team out from doing anything.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Yeah, In the biggest contrast that I think as clear
as just the depth here, when you compare this to
a team like the Knicks, you know exactly what you're
getting from minutes perspective.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
They really went seven deep last night.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
That we did see a couple minutes from campaign that
he logged nine in that, but outside of that, it
is just the core seven there. I see Tom Thibodeaux
catching a bunch of heat for benching Karl Anthony Towns. Frankly,
I think that was the right decision there that I
thought Mitchell Robinson was giving them way more from an
offensive rebounding perspective, defensive perspective, and so often, like Karl
Anthony Towns, We've talked plenty about his defensive shortcomings. That's
been one of my critiques of him that I think
(11:28):
he's a flawed player for that specific reason. There So
often when you think about a defensive shortcomings and a
player that it is you're going to isolate taking one
on one. That's really not how they're killing Karl Anthony Towns.
It's putting them in these off ball sets where he
has to chase guys around screens and he's just absolutely
losing everything there. So I thought that was a fine
move by Phibbs. I think he just doesn't really have
(11:49):
the horses to answer that. Rick Carlisle's deck is a
little bit more stacked than the options that he has.
I mean, even last night, Sixers legend Tony Bradley making
an impact in that game, logging some minutes there, and
that was a dude. We have seen really all playoffs.
So Carlisle's got a deep bag of what he can
pull from. He's pulling all the right strings for this
Pacers team. They're playing hard from them, and I think
depth has become underrated in the conversation when viewing a
(12:10):
playoff contender.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, it definitely has, at least in this era of parody,
which is absolutely what we're in, which is gonna be
the seventh straight new champion. Carl Towns was a minus
twenty in that game, so I don't disagree.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I think they made the right decision getting him off
the floor of the campaign minutes were disastrous for the
next I saw people complaining about that on the In
terms of Knicks fans, shout out Tony Bradley, Like you said,
we would have made the Eastern Conference finals in twenty
twenty one if Darryl the worst move of Darryl Morey's tenure.
It's not the Joel Embiide contract extension. It's not Paul George, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Not whatever went on with James Harden.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
It's trading Tony Bradley for George Hill, which not only
took the only.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Acceptable backup big off of our twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Roster, it also got Doc to feel fine about not
playing Maxie in that year, and playing George Hill twenty
to twenty five minutes in playoff games, not and giving
Maxi dnps. People forget, oh, I can't believe in doing this.
People forget In the twenty twenty one Hawk series. The
only reason that series went seven is because after Maxie
(13:17):
was not being used for most of the first five
games of the series. They broke him out in game
six and he won them game six. Yeah, to get
to a game seven, and that's whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
That's a whole other story for another day.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I believe George Hill had like a thumb injury or
some sort of shooting face shooting.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Yeah, he just stopped here.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, he wouldn't shoot, he would get the ball. Yeah,
I'm not interested. Pretty it was the same thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Yeah, I had the bummer because I like George Hill
and like the overall career art from him. But yeah,
not one of Darryll's finest moves and definitely something that
was costing that. I think that cost him a little
bit of money when you live dive into the finances
of where that fell in the tax bracket too. So
just like an all around failure on every level.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Oh man, I was I can't believe by I went
on the Tilbro Dude stream. I've been going on a
lot of those the last couple of weeks on playback,
really really fun kind of talking about the draft and
talking about the game that's going on, and randomly we
just started diving into like you know, like sliding doors
moments of this six weeks era and twenty twenty one,
(14:17):
we were saying, he has a very strong take that
twenty twenty three it was the year that was the
team that should have done it.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It was the best team it was. We were right there.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
And while I get all of that, what I would
say is that the twenty twenty one league sucked.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yea, it was just not a great MBA. We were
the one seed obviously, wasn't I don't think twenty twenty
one team was that good comparatively to even twenty nineteen
or twenty twenty three, But the rest of the league
wasn't that good. I kind of some people. I think
people look at a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Look at twenty nineteen as the year they the Kawhi
five bounces, as the year that they kind of that's
the sliding doors moment.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
To me, it's actually twenty twenty one. But to each
their own, where would you? Where would you slide? On
that debate? I guess you the most.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
I probably lean more towards the twenty one side of things.
From a heartbreak perspective, I think twenty three was worse.
Just seeing Jason Tatum drop fifty on our heads in
a Game seven at home. There was just rough, but
I mean an actual chance to win it. That was
like before the Bend meltdown. That was like, well it
happened during that there, and it felt like the work
was put in that season to earn the one pick,
to create this clear pathway better than ever before, and
(15:26):
then they just straight up blew it there. So as
far as just leaving, I guess, you know, some meat
on the bones or food on the table, however we
want to put it there, twenty one is always like
the least satisfactory playoff front, I would say, And twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Nine team is still so early, like it was just hope.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, my hope wasn't dead yet at that point. Twenty
twenty three was really like the dead Hope moment. But
twenty twenty one was the moment where it was that
should have happened, That should have been the year. Anyway,
painful conversation we did not need to have right there,
But anyway.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Where do you think this fall is on the next
conversation there? How are they looking at this season?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
It's really hard to because they got to have the moment,
they got to have the celebration beating Boston and the guys. Yeah,
Delon Wright drive, but I I this has to take
a lot of the good feeling out of that and
now you can't fire tips. Yeah, it feels very much
(16:26):
like you're stuck here now a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I I don't know if they would have lost Game
two in a more heartbreaking fashion, then I think this
is an all time, you know, sad thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I feel like it was more normal like Game one was,
you know, next level.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Obviously, I've never seen anything like it in the history
of basketball. And I know Sam had a problem with that,
and we've seen it twice in the last two rounds.
Something different about doing it in Game one and the
biggest game in Knick's history and the choke moment and
Reggie Miller on the call, and people had a problem
with that. I was on the stream with Drill and
everybody's like, Oh, they're gonna lose. They're gonna lose now
that he did it, and they're gonna lose, And I
(17:07):
was just saying, like, I don't care. You have to
do it in that moment he thought he hit a three,
that was the perfect moment to do it. And also
now that they won, what if he did it at
the end of the game when they were like doing
the foul game, and like if he just did it
as time expired, has none of the same juice. Oh
he does not feel the same. Now, that's iconic. I
(17:28):
mean that's that's a bigger moment than the Reggie Miller moment.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Yeah, like it really is.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And that sounds crazy to say, but that was And
if if that was a three, I think that would
have been like the greatest NBA game I've ever watched.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And I thought it
was live too, Like I was disappointing. But I mean
Halibert man talk about having some stones between that and
the big ball celebration that he busted out against the
Calves here, the dude is a showman in a way
that like I very much respect and think deserve.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
What did I say about him earlier, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
You've been on that. It's all like no, no, meaning
he's a wrestling fan. Oh gotch gotcha, gotcha? Okay, Yeah,
I think that.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Really people people are gonna roll their eyes at that.
That's what that is.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Yeah, Schaumber Nord sell me do a dance at my
wedding with my wife like an impromptu from Greece.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Like I there's I do think when you're a wrestling fan.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You have that you know, you see these people have
these showman moments and the entrances and all that stuff.
And I think when you're a wrestlingvent you think about
things like that a little bit differently.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. But like a nerd take, no,
I like it.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
I have no problem with the I think it's I
like when guys sees the moment like that and make
it theirs and show the personality. And I think that's
a lot of what rubs people the wrong way about Haliburton.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
But I like that.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I liked about Trey Young too. I think it's awesome
that he wants to be the villain. I think it's
cool that tyres Halburtn has embraced this, that he's kind
of stepped into front and center from it, and I
give him ultimate credit. And for the specific numbers of
that meltdown there, that is the first time in one
four hundred and fifteen playoff games that a team has
led by nine plus points in the final minute of
play and lost the game.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
There, Angel reaes too big villain right, we're big fans
of her here it's danger.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Yes, I'm I'm not getting into the w NBA conversation.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I do not. I let me be clear, I have
no interest and.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I'll throw this out here.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I for whatever reason, I've kind of like gotten into
the w NBA this year, Like I've watched like six
or seven games.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
The Dallas is fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
There's a lot of teams that you don't have to
just talk Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. I have not
touched it commenting on Twitter, just because I don't want
to open that can of worms.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Well, maybe I'll maybe I'll throw that into my around
the Horn rant a little later in the show when
nobody's watching at the end.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Hopefully I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I'm joking, but I have some thoughts on around the
Horn that I want to get off my chest. Now
I'm going to do that at the end of the show.
A show I really I don't think I'm here without
so I want to talk about that at the end
of the show for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Let's move on to the other series.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So Indiana, but what's the series market on that Pacers
nixt series?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Before we move on to the other one.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Because you mentioned the Thunder, I think are up at
like minus fourteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You already said.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Pacers minus five twenty five nixt plus four hundred.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I'm actually surprise that's not higher. I think part of
that is just being a New York team. Gambling is
legal in New York. Also, don't think it's.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Legal in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I could be wrong on that, but it is legal
in New York and they're a public team, so I
think that that number probably should be more like five
six hundred. I don't think there's any value in that
plus four hundred number. And then the thunder, I think
you can call the series over. And I'll just say
it right now. I have my pick segment coming up
later in the show. Thunder minus two and a half
(20:43):
are my second favorite play of the day. I love
the Thunder to blow out. The timber was when I saw.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Minnesota take thirty more threes in Game one and lose
the game. I just I thought that that said it all.
In the modern NBA. You don't take thirty more threes
than the other team and lose.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I mean, it's just threes more than two, and I
know that they shot him efficiently, but I just don't
think and I think that that was the right gimmick
to try to beat Oklahoma City and it didn't work,
And I just don't. I think we saw the tough
Oklahoma City series and now they're here to ruin their
playoffs that have been super fun and they're gonna, you know,
(21:23):
maybe probably lose one to two games for the rest
of the way and dominate their way to a championship.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Yeah, there's just too much on this Oklahoma City team.
There's so deep, they got so many options that they
could throw at you, and their third quarter feels like
the new version of the Warriors to me. And it's
obviously stylistically very different that when you think Golden State,
it is launching threes and going on this offensive wave
that the opponent can't match. But for Oklahoma City, they
just clamp down defensively in a way that like very
few defenses ever have been able to reach when how
(21:51):
effective they are for just completely just shutting things off
for the opponent.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
There.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
So the way that the third quarter momentum swings that
is to me, like that's a defining rate of this
team and that's something that I think continues to carry
through so yeah, I think this Minnesota team can still
kind of rest their head fairly solidly that they reached
this point after the turnover in the offseason. Julius Randall
came down to earth in the previous game after he's
been straight up excellent for the duration of the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
But ye have the Thunder. I don't think you're gonna
have any problem cruising through.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Quick reminder, by the way, about the Oklahoma City Thunder
and something that I kind of forgot about for a while.
A guy who I had top five in my NBA
Draft rankings last year, Nicole Toprich. Yeah, was the number
twelve pick of the draft. And it's just he doesn't
play for the Thunder. He's hurt this year. He will
be back next year and that will be just another
(22:41):
piece that the Thunder can add into their repertoire.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And let's take a break because my dog decided.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
So on the other side, talking more hardwood and going
back to NBA Draft conversation, we're back on ash Island and.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Some other some other topics.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
We're gonna rank outside of flag the best potential star
outcomes for the rest of the draft.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So back after this talking more basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Spreads, totals and all the prop that's in between. It's
The Gambler.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Welcome back to the radio show right here on Fox Sports.
The Gambler, Going back to the hardwood.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
We obviously have the two Eastern Conference finals going on,
but we have more important matters obviously going on here
in sixer Land and here in NBA Draft World, and
that's where I'm spending most of my time lately. It
seems like thinking about I will say, while we're on
the draft, just a quick glance at the Oklahoma City
(23:53):
thunders upcoming draft picks.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Going to win the title.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
They have the fifteenth pick and the twenty f worth
picking this year's draft, they have a second rounder, they
have their own pick next year, They have our pick
next year. They have a Jazz pick next year that
they're not gonna get because it's super protected.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
In twenty twenty seven, they have swap.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Rights with the Clippers or the Nuggets, so they'll get
the better of either of those picks. And then they
have in twenty twenty eight swap rights with the Dallas
Mavericks for that first round pick, which could be quite interesting.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I guess not really as much with Cooper flag anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
But twenty twenty nine, they have a Nuggets pick, they
have their own pick, they have all their own picks.
They have swap rights with Orlando or New Orleans in
twenty thirty one.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
This is not stopping anytime soon, to the point where
I actually think there's a chance that the owner, the
Thunder owner will get cheap at some point and let
them get rid of Jaylen Williams or Chet Holmgren or something,
because they have all these picks and assets coming in.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, and like they've hit on all the little guys too,
as far as like the Cason Wallace's of the world.
But Isaiah Joe, I know they didn't draft obviously he
was here in Philadelphia, but a bunch of like the
the later guys, Jalen Williams number two provides high to
this team that, like, beyond just having the assets, they've
done a really nice job of the hit rate on
the guys that they've taken here. Thank goodness, they did
(25:13):
not end up with the seventh pick in this draft.
That would change our tune quite a bit for this
offseason from a Sixers perspective here, but it is truly unbelievable.
The treasure treasure chest of assets and this this is
the spot the Sixers should be in.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Man, it makes me so mad.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
The Samhnky vision never came together because sam Pressy is executed.
I get he got a head start having the Paul
George trade is sort of triggered, but it's maddening to me.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, he had all favors on the roster, yam Evan
Turner and drew out a Lavoy Allen and Drew Holliday
and uh and who else Spencer has, Yeah, not a lot,
like I just the cupboard was so bare and pressed
the Yeah, he's had multiple eras of it too, like
(25:57):
multiple eras of good teams.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Sam Hnky.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Something that I want to make clear, And I was
talking about this yesterday. Sam Hinky the last time he
was GM of the Sixers, Donald Trump wasn't the Republican
candidate for president in twenty sixteen. Yet, like not to
make the show political, Like think about how long Donald
Trump the presidential.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Figure has been in our life.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
It feels like at this point that's how long it's
been since Sam Hanky was gone.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Like he was here so briefly. It was such a
brief period of time.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
He got Yeah, and then we spent the next the
last nine years wasting that head start he gave us.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I feel like, so it's very frustrating, very very very
very frustrating.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Blamangelos, Blame the Colangelos. That's where all this fell apart.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
And the NBA.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Dave Silver, Adam Silver as they call him on right
to Ricky Sanchez, Dave Silver. But we got some Philly
stuff coming up later in the second hour, by the way,
never teased that any point. Got some fun stats to
go down, But let's stay with the basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Let's talk.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I asked you earlier this week to do a.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Fun little pie chart segment here on ranking potential stars
outside of Cooper Flag in the draft and giving them
a percentage chance to be the best player in the
draft besides the Flag. Maybe I should have taken Harper
out to make it more sixer based, but let's.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Let's keep it with the way that I did it.
Let's go with our first guy.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Who do you think has the best chance in the
NBA Draft besides Cooper Flag to become a star?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah, mine is Dylan Harper, which I think we're going
to disagree with right off the bat. Here as far
as the pie chart percentage. I threw him at thirty
percent for it. It's not like I think he's a
for sure, guaranteed lock here, but I do think thirty
percent is fair for him. I do think he's like
the clear cut number two in this draft, and the
Spurs will select him at that spot. Here, you can
throw a lot of the same I guess defense mechanisms
that we've thrown in front of Ace Bailey.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Here.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
On Dylan Harper, he had a little bit more control
because he was the guy, you know, running the offense
and that kind of perspective, so you can critique him
a little bit heavier in that same direction. Here, there
is a maturity in the way that he plays basketball
and carries himself that I really trust is a decision
maker within an offense. Here, the numbers got a pop.
He's got to become a better shooter. But these are
all things that I think will naturally happen at the
NBA level, and I do think he's walking to him
(28:12):
into a pretty good spot in San Antonio, assuming that's
how it plays out.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
We had an argument on text because you said he
was going to be for sure an All Star, and
I just argued with the semantics of it, and my
argument to that and kind of why I'm a little
lower on Harper. I have him at twenty percent and
tied for second in terms of having the chance to
be the best player. It is just because there are
so many good guards in the NBA, and it's why
(28:40):
I'm always harsher on grading guards and more forgiving on
grading wings. And I think people forget that a lot
of the time. I'm not saying you do this, I'm
saying in general, I think a lot of people when
they compare players and try to stack big boards and
they just don't take into consideration the dearth of small
four words or wings whatever you want to call them
(29:02):
in comparison to guard.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, and the tenth.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Best wing is just so much worse than the tenth
best guard.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Don't really even care about I guess I didn't even
care as much about the All Star part of it
as much as like the what an All Star means
of how highly they have to rank as a guard.
And that's why I'm always in general lower on the
guards I go. I feel like that go at the
top of the draft, I did like jaw.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
In twenty nineteen. But even he I'd say, like, I
think he's probably underwhelmed at this.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Point, certainly two years.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I don't know if it's fair the jaw thing. I
don't know if it's fair to say he's underwhelmed. He's
not a bust in any way what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
But he's fallen off the trajectory he was on. That's
certainly fair to.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Say how many guards are better than him at this point,
because I think it's a lot I was.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I would probably say double digits for sure.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah, And that's just crazy to think about where we
were with him, and I think maybe even I could
say how high I was on him and maybe overrating
his upside has kind of sobered me on guards.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Yeah, But saying all that, my number one guy is
and I put him at twenty five percentage Trey Johnson
just who can become the best player of the draft,
and Trill and I have kind of debated this a
lot because he loves Trey Johnson, maybe even more than
I do. So I'm sixth overall on my big board,
(30:32):
so I don't have him third.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
He's not my preferred sixers pick.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
In fact, assuming it goes flag Harper, he would be
fourth available on my sixers big board, maybe third, but
at least fourth. And what I'm saying, though, is that
the upside is on another planet with.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
This guy in terms of the shot making.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I just I watch him offensively, and I think, is
this guy Devin Booker with better shooting? Like he's a
better three point shooter than Booker. I think maybe you
could say Booker is a more a better ball handler
for sure, But I just there's the problem with why
(31:17):
I have him sixth instead of third, is because I think.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
The floor is really low.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
I think he could go to a team and flame
out of the league. And I also think he could
go to a team and he could be averaging thirty
a game in three years, just with how insane his
shot making is. And I don't think Texas was a
very good situation either. I think Rodney Terry is a
bad coach, and I Kevin Kyle.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Newback Kevin Newback.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Kyle Newbeck came out and said that, you know, Trey Johnson,
he liked the more than as Bailey.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
His situation was just as bad as he's Bailey. It
was not Yeah, that's not close as bad as Rutgers.
But they made it. I mean, they made the tournament.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
They're a good team, but they weren't Texas respectable team. Yeah,
they had talent on the roster.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I think Rodney Terry is a bit of a buffoon,
So I think, you know, you could say context and
maybe they let him cook too much and didn't kind
of force him to work within an offense enough and
kind of just let him go off and do his
And most of the time when he went off and
did his own he was doing doing pretty damn well
with it though, And that's kind of why maybe you
don't blame them for that, But I just see that
(32:25):
the upside is stupid high with Trey Johnson.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Trill thinks the floor is like a Molik Monk Malik
peastly type. Didn't type. Guy, I'm much lower on the floor,
which is.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Why I'm well, I'm more nervous about the Sixers taking
a look at him.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But what I will say is what.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I will say, if the Sixers take Trey Johnson at three,
I will easily easily be able to sell myself on
it as just star hunting. We are star hunting in
the in the in the words of Brett Brown, because
I think that's what that would be. I think that
would just be like, oh my god, I don't know
if I've ever seen shot making like this at age eighteen.
(33:08):
Let's go take him and screw the rest and we'll
figure it out later.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
The defense is bad.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I think people are actually underselling how bad the defense
is at times.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
What I will say, he's six six with six.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
To ten wingspan at guard, Like, could he give a
crap a little more potentially and fill out his body
a little bit? In NBA you know, strength and conditioning
room better and and just get to just get to
blow average, just be a below average defender with those traits.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
And I think the offense carries him the rest of
the way.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
But I think you're a little lower on Trey and
I actually would he be around sixth on your big
board or higher or lower.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
That you can talk to him. I can get in
on him as the six guy for sure. I think
there is like as far as the floor conversation, I
think his floor is like bawling out in China, Like
I think there's a world where this guy does not
stick in the NBA. I think that's like a real possibility,
and like for him, I agree, he very well could
be averaging thirty in a pretty quick race at a
pretty quick rate. Here, he also is going to be
(34:11):
bleeding thirty five on the other end here that I'm
really low on the defense here, I had him at
four percent of a four percent chance becoming the best.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Player in this draft pick all right, in this draft class.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
It might be a little bit low there, But I
really have my doubts as like the fit perspective and
the other thing that was kind of bothersome to me
Atas Texas is it felt like like his best moments
were all kind of just Trey Johnson ball, Like I
don't fully see that, how does this fit into this
fit into a team construct winning basketball and that kind
of thing. So the talent is there, you don't break
Kevin Durant scoring records on accident by any means. I
(34:43):
do like the size, and if the Sixers do end
up taking them, like, I'll talk myself into it, But
I'm a Trey Johnson skeptic man. I think there's just
way too wide range of outcomes that he could end
up being.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I think even with the wide range in the skepticism,
I think four percent is just too low for how
crazy his shot make.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
How many names did you throw on the list? Uh?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine? I
have nine names.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I have six names, and I kind of feel like
I have too few.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
So I had a couple of guys who.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Were like on the fringe of me putting on the list,
and I just didn't put on the list.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
But number two for me, or actually i'll throw to you,
number two for you.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Number two for me is Ace Bailey, and I have
him at twenty six percent here. So the two Rutgers
Cats make it up fifty six percent of my pie
chart here. Pretty notable there. I mean, we've talked plenty
glowingly about Ace. The point that I'll just kind of
reinforce here is I'm gambling on the guy believing that
he's going to reach his heights here. I do believe
in him from a motor perspective. I think defensively, people
have undersold how impactful he could be, and I do
(35:47):
think that like the structure of what team that he
lands on is going to have a pretty direct impact
on what he becomes. But I believe that guy cares.
There is a skill set that I'm willing to work
with there and like the motor once again for all
the go watch the full That's what I would point
out to you. Watch how hard this kick competes. Because
if you have the frame, the skill set that he does,
and something in his gut kind of burning the way
(36:08):
that I feel that he does as a player, you
can sign me up for that guy ten times out
of ten.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
I mean, I'm in the Trobrod discord now and Derek
Bodner's and there, and he was, you know, we were
having a conversation about how Ace's floor is much higher
than people think. Yes, and he chimed in, you know, no,
it's not. He has no processing speed, no playmaking ability.
I think sometimes the nerds are just saying things to
(36:33):
make them feel better about how much time they spend
watching tape in basketball, I'll be honest, like, I think
sometimes you need to just like go look at some
go look at some you know, actual highlights and stats
and not be oh, well, in this game, he was
really on isolation and he was playing against two defect.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I don't know, my rant's not even making sense. I
just think sometimes we are really really overrating passing as
a as a necessary skill for to be an NBA
player as a wing. When we have dozens of wings
who average a negative assist turn of a ratio, two
of which that are playing in the Eastern Conference Final
right now in OGM McHale who both had a negative
(37:15):
assist turn of a ratio in college Jalen Brown and
a negatives sist turn of a ratio in college. Jayson
Tatum at a negative asist turn of a ratio in college.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
All of those guys at much better situations than Ace Bailey.
Maybe you could say Jalen Brown not really a cal
not a great situation. They probably were a better situation
than what was going on in Rutgers this year. I'll
just be honest. Yeah, Ace Bally is twenty percent for me,
and I will say the ceilings.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Not even really my argument with Ace.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's really like the median outcome, I think is much
higher than most people think, and I think the median
outcome is a.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Really usable three and D player, like, oh, he doesn't
want to be a three and D guy.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
He was for the first twenty one games of the year.
If you look at it, the average five plus threes
per game thirty nine percent from three, shot fifty one
percent from the field one point one, steals one and
a half blocks per game. Like that's three and D, folks, Like,
I'm sorry to tell you, that's what three and D
looks like in college basketball translated to the NBA. So,
Ace Bailey, I'm still a full blown Ace sexual at
(38:23):
number three, but I have plenty of other guys that
I like on the board, and I'm at the point
right now I'll just I'll move on to my next guy,
who I have tied with Ace and with Dylan Harper.
I had to put where my two through four on
my big board is tied basically dead even, and it's
Ace Bailey at two, which has been the same the
(38:46):
whole way.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I still have Dylan Harper at three, but I have VJ.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Edgecomb at four, and I also have him at twenty
percent in terms of his outcome becoming his chance to
become the best player in this draft besides flag And
I said last week what a freaky athletic star ends.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Up looking like at age eighteen is what PJ. Edgecombe
looked like. I look at a guy that shot thirty
four percent from three with all of his athletic ability,
all of his traits, all of his defensive instincts already
at age eighteen.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
And I say, I don't think that's getting worse. I
think that's only gonna get better. This kid is gonna
work his butt off and you know, become a better shooter,
Like We've seen plenty of these guys do that shoot
averagely at AG team. And I believe in the jumper
and I believe in the form. I think VJ is
a rare, high floor, high ceiling guy. And maybe I'm
(39:37):
giving these guys at the top too much credit and
not including you know, tertiary guys who could you know,
break in like because we have seen guys like Giannis
or guys like SGA get drafted in the double digits
and become the best players of their drafts. Now, so
maybe I'm not giving that enough credit. But I'm giving
twenty percent of VJ.
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah, I have him at seventeen.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm I won't talk bad on VJ the way I
think if he comes, you know, pinning guys against each other,
arguing that way, the dude like checks just about every
box he should look for. If I am going to
critique him, I do wish the handle was tighter. That's
something that can definitely get improved. I probably don't see
a world where he's like a primary creator, a guy
who's you know, taking guys off the dribble too often,
but he doesn't really need to be.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
He might be, I mean, he'll attack close outs now for.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Himself, Yeah, I don't think it's going to be creating
for others with that.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yeah, And in transition, he's going to be a terror,
There's no doubt about that. I also think he's a
little bit in the category of like an athlete learning
to play basketball for stretches there, which you can argue
whether that's a positive or negative thing there. So like
we'll see how that ultimately shakes up. I put him
at seventeen percent. I do think that there is a
legitimate chance that we look back at this draft and
say VJ.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Edge Come was the dude.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
He also from all reports if anyone will talk about
as about a stand up of a guy as he
will find out from the draft perspective, which I think
reinforces why you would want to believe in that guy
reaching his potential there.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
So I like VJ.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
I do think that he's kind of my consensus number
four on the board at this point that I still
have a slightly ahead of them, but I'm not splitting
hairs over that, so I'll kind of see it pretty
similar as you.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I'm just saying I'm not a name test guy, basically.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
But Trey Johnson, Airiss, Ace Bailey, Fire, and VJ. Edgecombe
all passed with flying colors on the name test.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
You know who. I'm a little iffy on the name test.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Who's that Dylan Harper is? Because the other Dylan Harper?
Speaker 6 (41:28):
I was in my head, I was like, am I
am I allowed to bring up the other Dylan Harper.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
The first time I brought him up like mid season
talking about Wreckers basketball, so I figured it's fair game.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah yeah, But now I don't think that's what it is.
I think it's just too bland. I guess it's and
I know Ron Harper, Yeah yeah, I get it. But
a name that I think passes the name the name
test to be a good player in the NBA. Maybe
not the best player in the draft, but I'm still
giving him a chance at ten percent is Mala Locke,
the center from Duke, And I think, you know, I'm
not saying he's going to be Joel. I really don't
(42:01):
think he's ever going to be like an offensive force
or shooter like Joel. But I do think there's a
chance he can be and a Rudy Gobert level defender
to a certain degree and a really just you know,
long term all NBA contending center, top five, top ten
center in the world, because again, I don't think there's
that many guys who.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Have the upside he has on both sides of the floor.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Because I do think he does have the upside and
to be become a I don't know what's his stat ceiling,
like could he be an eighteen and.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Ten guy, Like I think it's really good defense.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Like I think absolutely. I think I'm a little bit
higher on mal Lock than you. Then I threw thirteen
percent as far as his chances of becoming the best
player in this draft. Here, I am buying into the
shooting touch man, Like he shot the free throws well,
he started expanding to the three point line as the
season progressed. I think there's more to him than just
kind of a rim running athletic, you know, catch lobs
and protect the rim kind of guy that I do
(42:59):
think that there's some touch there. He's still very raw
to basketball, which I think you're gonna have to live
with the growing pains a little bit. But the floor
is still pretty high as far as him doing the
basic basketball thing. So I have he's not perfect. He's
gonna be a little bit of a project. But I
do think there is a world where we fast forward
ten years from now and we're talking about this guy
is a legitimate All Star on almost a perennial basis.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
So I threw him at thirteen percent.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
There's a chance I'm a little I'm a little too
low on Mela Lock And maybe Trey should have honestly
just been tied with Asarpur and VJ and they all
should have had twenty percent.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
But my last guy, my sixth guy, is Casper Shakashuna
at five percent. I had to throw him in there
his abilities as being a tall guard and his passing.
Like the first twenty games of the year we had,
my buddy Pat Moran was like, is this guy lukatans
because he was shooting thirty five percent from three. He
was averaging like nineteen and eight and seven through the
(43:55):
first twenty ish game.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
I forget the exact amount of games. I have to
go back and pull it. I have it in my
notes somewhere, but he was he was just bawling out
and he was truly terrible.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
I think he shot like twelve percent from three in
the less something amount of games. But and now he's
three point percentages down to thirty one point eight percent.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
That's not going to do it as a guard in
terms of his shooting.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
But if he's a thirty four percent three point shooter,
I think that he's got tremendous upside. His question is
about his athleticism, for sure being at the next level.
But he's a really good rebounder for his size, which
I think you have to have be some level of
an athlete to do so. Obviously a next level passer
(44:37):
and a guy who doesn't turn doesn't.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
I think this is the guy who's going to be
able to kind of be a league guard and control
your offense. Athleticism in defense is the question, and the
shooting is the question. I kind of believe in the shot,
like I think he's got a good form. I kind
of buy the larger sample size of the year. His
tim three was also super super high.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
He probably just took way too many of them, which
I think tanked his numbers a little bit. But five percent.
I'm not saying I'm in love with him. I have
him eighth overall, but Casparis is my last guy.
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Yeah, did not crack my list at all. Here, I figure,
I mean, you put on my radar pretty early, so
shout out to you. And I did watch a decent
amount of the Illinois games. What concerns me more than
just the shooting slumps is there's a lot of stretches
where the dude just kind of disappears, where you don't
feel him out there, and he does kind of deffer
way too high of a rate. And for like the
thirty four percent argument, thirty four percent better not make
(45:34):
him the best player in this class because there's a
massive disappointment across the board. I think he's like a
legitimate NBA player. I think he'll stick around, but I
think he's probably closer to Ricky Rubio than Luka Doncic
if we're gonna throw him on that scale.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Closer to Ricky Rubio.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Yeah, I think he's way more of a shooter than
a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
But yeah, I just mean like thirty four percent.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
If he's an average shooter in the NBA, then I
think that his pass ability in floor vision carries him
to a pretty high outcome.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Probably not the best player in the draft. Yeah, I
think he probably has to shoot thirty seven to thirty
eight percent to be to be the best player in
the draft. From three?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
But who were did the four guys? I didn't I
didn't get on your list.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
So the number one guy I know you'll disappear or
disagree with. I've Jeremiah Fears at eight percent here. I'm
a believer, man, and this is going to be a
long term thing. That he's the youngest prospect in this draft.
I believe that he's still very you know, raw, and
that he's got a lot to clean up. But I
think if he lands at the right spot, he could
play through his mistakes for two three years. Then we're
all of a sudden revisiting this as he starts to
get onto that next contract. There is some legitimate juice
(46:40):
when he takes guys off the dribbles, and the efficiency's
got to be better. But he's got good size for
a guard. I do think he's another guy that we
can kind of critique the situation at Oklahoma that it
wasn't quite ideal for him, and there was a lot
of just Jeremiah fears go out there and make things happen.
I like him. I think at eight percent that is
worth the swing for me. Your pushback there.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
I think he got an amazing coach, is awesome. So
I don't really the situation thing for him. I think
I think that was because he's a ballhawk.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
I think he I think it was a little bit
and he actually having more assist than I thought.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
I don't I didn't watch him and think like, oh,
what a good passer.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I guess like he's really he's really controlling the he
turned the ball over a good bit. But I yeah,
I just he's not a shooter at all.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
So if you're a small point guard who can't shoot,
I I'm out. I can't do the non shooting guards anymore.
I don't know at what that says about me. But
he's eighteenth on my board. I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
I think he should be at least a lottery picked.
Is that what I would dig in on.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
I think go top eleven.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm just lower on him than I
think most are. There's a guy me in the trailbrow
Dude Discord, who'd like really wants him for the Sixers
of three, and I get a lot.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
Of comments about him.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
There seems to be a lot of Jeremiah Furious believers
out there.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
I can't even fathom taking a twenty eight percent three
point shooter point guard at number three overall when you
have Tyres Baxy and Jared McCain on the roster. I would, actually,
I think be done.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
I think I'd be done. I think it would kill me.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
From the Sixers perspective, certainly not arguing that they should
draft him here. In fact, I will argue directly that
they should not. But I think, from like an NBA perspective, now.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Eight percent is not insane. I think there's people who
would put him way higher than that. Yeah, so I'm
not saying you're crazy. There's obviously people who like him
a lot. I'm out on him, there's really I will
say in a draft where in the NBA draft you
can attest to this. A lot of the times I
feel like I'm like out on more players than I'm
in on her, at least like the same amount of guys.
It's not that way this year for me, Like I
(48:50):
feel like I kind of see the vision on almost
everybody who people are pushing. He's he's really the only
guy that i'd say I'm like fully out on. I'm
out on one more guy who I'm sure is one
of your last names, but I still have him seventh.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
We'll get to him.
Speaker 7 (49:05):
I'm sure I swear into the long shot section here,
I gave Derek Queen two percent.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
I'm pretty out on Queen overall.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Another guy with who's always, as he's talked about, is
this brilliant passer or incredible playmaker. He's got a negative
assistant turnover ratio, and like kind of he's got this
like hunger for the home run passes, these wild passers,
which don't get me wrong, when you pull them off,
they look cool. But I don't really see like many
instincts as far as just the basic reads and the
stuff that he'll be called on to do at the
NBA level. And I kind of think he's a tweener
(49:33):
in the negative sense here that I don't know if
he's gonna be He's very functionally strong, but I don't
know if I like at the NBA level, see that
translating when you have to guard the Nikola Jokic and
guys like that. He also graded like just about last
place and like all the combine metrics for all the
athletic measurements. Again, that's not everything that the basketball playing
means more. But I just really have my skepticism for
(49:54):
him as an NBA fit. With that said, he is talented.
I felt like I couldn't completely leave him off.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
I the more I've actually looked into him, I've gotten
more out on Queen.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I think I have him down to thirteen.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
Now it's probably gonna be twelve because I think Jaxel's
going back to college. But I yeah, he apparently showed
up with the combine fat, overweight, two and out of shape.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
It's not not great stuff.
Speaker 7 (50:18):
Two to one percenters that I'll close with here to
hod Petti, Hod Peediford, your guy who I like, Yeah,
I gave him a one percent chance here. I don't
understand what the NBA doesn't see what this guy is like.
I think you can. He should be a lot to
be a late first round pick, at least to me,
Like I see the vision with him, and the critique's
going to be he didn't get a ton of minutes
on a deep Auburn team. There are a lot of
(50:39):
other colleges that if he went to, I think we
would be looked at as the star player. And when
he came in, he made things happen. There's a legitimate
pop to him. He's got athleticism. I like the hot Peedifhord,
and I think he's going to be drafted way later
than he should be.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
I mean, you look at the for forty minutes, he
averaged twenty to five with only two point eight turnovers
per g, which is less than Casper's and fears like
some of the other point guards we've talked about, and
like just as many assists as those guys had per forty,
and he did so he would have taken eight point
eight freeze per game on a per forty basis. He
(51:14):
did it efficiently thirty six percent I have thirty six
point six percent didn't get to the line that much,
but eighty percent from the line.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I love to hide Pediford.
Speaker 6 (51:23):
And it's a shame that he doesn't really make sense
for the six ers of thirty five. But if they yeah, yeah,
it doesn't even matter. About the fit, like, I'll just
take him at thirty five. He's there because I think
he'll probably be by far the best player available in
my opinion.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
I think I have him like fourteenth or fifteenth right now.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
I'd have to check love love to Hode Pettiford, someone
who I thought about. I thought about mentioning the AXL.
It's not even worth bringing up.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Because I think he's going to go back to school
and also it's probably crazy to even bring him up
in that way. A couple guys who I love but
probably just don't have the upside maybe athleticism or size
or whatever you want to say to become the best
player draft. I have Jas richardson ninth. That's down from
fourth a couple months ago.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
By the way, it seems, I.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
Think he's got a floor around around where Orlando picks.
I think if he's there where Orlando picks in the
mid first round, will go there. I think it's sixteen.
Speaker 7 (52:14):
Yeah, I will say, and you know, mock drafts or whatever.
I saw a mock draft with him going thirty second today.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
Yeah, I think after the top, don't I guess my
top seven? You want to throw Fears in there, maybe
a couple other maybe yeah, probably like the top eight.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
I feel like it's all over the board for the
rest of the class. A guy who I think probably
has upside and a high floor in my opinion, but
not the upside to become the best player in the draft.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
For Sheer Fleming would be in that conversation.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
Really he's actually now I've bumped Flemming up to ten overall.
Wow for me, I really like Fleming. Carter Bryant is
a guy who I've kind of fallen in love with
a little bit. He's up to eleven overall for me.
Not a guy who probably can become the best player
in the class. Surprisingly, I have to go all the
way down to a guy I have at sixteen to go.
(53:03):
Meant mentioned the guy I want to mention, which is
Cedric Coward. Cedric Coward is a guy who I don't know.
I'm a little lower on him than some of the
names I just mentioned, because I think we've seen more
of for Sheer Fleming and we've seen more of Yaxell
and Carter Bryant, maybe not as much Carter Bryant, Will
Riley nee Clifford, Todd Pettiford, a couple of the guys
(53:23):
that I have in front of him.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
But why I think the upside is so high.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
You look at those six games that he played at
Washington State, and it's only six games, but he averaged
eighteen and seven with three point seven assists, one point
seven blocks, zero point eight steals per game. He did
it on fifty six percent from the field, forty percent
from three five threes a game. He got to the
line a lot. And it's not like we didn't see
(53:48):
him have really good numbers.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
He just did it at Eastern Washington did it at
a level the year before in twenty three twenty four.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
Averaged about sixteen and seven, a little lower assist in
defensive numbers there, but he did so while shooting fifty
six percent from the field and thirty eight percent from three.
Speaker 5 (54:06):
Just insane efficiency from what Cedric Coward has shown.
Speaker 6 (54:11):
I think there's a chance I'm a little too low
on Coward and then I'm gonna end up bumping him
all the way up to like eleven. To be honest,
I think that's probably where he'll end up for me.
I wish there was just a little more, a little
more tape and a little more evidence.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
You know, I'm taking my one.
Speaker 6 (54:28):
I'm taking one percent off of Trey Johnson to put
him at twenty four percent, to put Cedric Coward at
one percent.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
I like it.
Speaker 8 (54:35):
I won't lie.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
He's a guy that didn't pop on my radar until
the pre draft process, that I really didn't follow him
too closely at the collegiate level.
Speaker 8 (54:41):
A really cool story when you dive in into that.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
He started his collegiate career career I believe it was
D two, it might even have been Juco and then
kind of had to transferred his way up, balled out
at every level and clear the NBA teams are taking notice.
I mean, he's got a good frame, got real deal size,
shoots the ball well. I see the vision with Cedric Coward.
So he's not a guy that I've invested all in
into this point. He's still kind of piqued my curiosity
and I'm still sitting on where exactly he ranks in
(55:04):
this flow of players. But he will be a lot
to be a first round pick, and he is a
guy that I think is worth taking a chance on.
Speaker 8 (55:09):
So I don't hate that whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Let me just stamp a couple of my guys real quick,
here stamp. Everyone knows about Yaxl.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
He's probably going back to Michigan, and if he does,
Sean Bernard, I hate.
Speaker 6 (55:21):
I hate to say this because you know how I
feel about the Michigan Wolverines the nan Arbor. I will
be placing a large wager on Michigan to win the
title at whatever you know I can find, because I
think that guy's that good. I think he will be
a men amongst boys next year playing at age twenty
four in college basketball.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
I think he's special.
Speaker 6 (55:44):
Right now, How is this guy not getting a lottery
promise or at least the time. I think he needed
to be the twenty fourth pick to make more money
than he would make going back to Michigan, which, by
the way, Pat Moran, my.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Buddy, had a big problem with.
Speaker 6 (55:59):
He's falling in love with the Actually, he's like, if
you make slightly less money, you can get the free
agency year sooner, if you believe in yourself at all.
I agree with him, Yaxell, get your people in touch
with my people.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
We'll get you to the NBA. Buddy, Well, we'll get
your picked high. But Yaxell he averaged eighteen eleven and
a half.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
And four with almost four combined steals and blocks only
two turnovers per game.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
Percent from the line.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
This is after the year before averaging fourteen and eleven
with similar blocks per game numbers, similar efficiency numbers. He's
the number one transfer in the portal. Remember how much
money he got at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
I don't get it. Don't get how this guy is
not going to get drafted.
Speaker 7 (56:39):
Yeah, doesn't make any sense to me either that I
would if I was a team sitting in the mid
to late first round, I would absolutely give this guy
a promise. It doesn't make any sense to me why
he hasn't been. I was even making the argument when
it was the tournament against Maryland game that he was
the better prospect and contrasted Derek Queen there. I've kind
of softened on that take a little bit, but you know,
I can still make that case.
Speaker 8 (56:59):
So we'll see.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
He's high on my board.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
Yeah, I think that's completely fair. I like him a lot.
Speaker 7 (57:03):
He is going to be absolutely balling out a Michigan
next year if that's how plays.
Speaker 5 (57:07):
Out for Sheer Fleming six nine and a half seven
five wingspan seven to five wings span fifteen and eight
and a half one and a half assists, not.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
A dribbler or passer at all, gets the ball and
shoots that he immediately gets rid of it, but one
and a half blocks and one and a half steals
per game, Like this is a guy impacts a ton
of the game on defense. Shot fifty three percent from
the field, thirty nine percent from three.
Speaker 5 (57:34):
I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (57:35):
I think this guy's like a true four in a
way that we don't have in today's NBA at six
nine and a half. I think he's got some versatility
to guard down to wings, and I think he's got
some versatility to be small ball five at times. So really, really,
maybe more than any player in the draft have fallen
in love with Fleming in the draft process.
Speaker 7 (57:56):
He's got the Joel embiids, the Joel Embid stamp of
a approval as well. If you saw that Joelle pulling
up to watch him in person this year, a little
bit of a chat and hanging out after the fact.
So Joelle does not do that to just anyone, So
I thought that was worth pointing out. And yeah, I
absolutely see the vision with him as a player. A
little bit of Philly pride in the conversation as well,
So shout out with sheer Flemming.
Speaker 6 (58:15):
Seems like he's going to be a fringe lottery pick
either back end the lottery.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Read a couple picks after it.
Speaker 6 (58:21):
Another guy who's probably in that mix is Will Riley,
and I could throw you a bunch of numbers.
Speaker 5 (58:28):
He averaged twenty six and a half and three and
a half.
Speaker 6 (58:30):
Shooting for forty forty three percent from the field thirty
three percent from three.
Speaker 5 (58:34):
Not that impressive.
Speaker 6 (58:36):
He only played twenty five minutes per game over the
full season, twenty one minutes per game over the first
twenty games. Over the last fifteen games, he played thirty
one minutes per game and averaged sixteen to five and
three on forty eight percent from the field thirty five
percent from three.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
I thought he really got better.
Speaker 6 (58:52):
And more comfortable as the season went along, and he
had a stretch there in the middle of the season
where a couple of the guys were out with injury,
and I thought he really stepped up up and kind
of took a bigger role in the offense than he
had been taking at that point. And I thought, I
think it's a good sign when a guy gets more
responsibility and more usage and his efficiency goes up, and
I think that that's just a sign of they were
(59:13):
giving him what he could handle at the time, and
he got better throughout the year. I think with Yaxel,
with Fleming, with with Pettiford, with a couple of these guys,
it's so numbers based for me of just like they
did this in this amount of games and while they really,
you know, have these amazing numbers or have these amazing
traits or size or whatever. Will Riley is my hooper,
(59:35):
like watch the watch the Games guy of the Year
this year. Like I think when you watch him on offense,
the way he moves with the ball where he shoots
it like looks like very much a rotational NBA wing
in today's NBA.
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Yeah, and you called the shot with this one that
this would be a guy in a pre draft riser
to an extent a midseason you were kind of on
Will Riley there, and he's I mean, he looks the
part that I do think, Like, I think the floor
is a little bit limited for the the ceiling is
a bit limited for him, but I think he's absolutely
going to be a rotation player in the NBA. And
you should be totally okay, with walking away with that
from most first round picks there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
So yeah, it just showed it depends what he is
as a shooter, because he can show up at the
combine and shot the lights out. I think he was
the best shooter at the combine, at the at the drills,
and the.
Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
Shot is pretty Yeah, it's a it's a high release.
He's tall, he can shoot over people. But he shot
thirty five or shot thirty three percent from three in
college and even in the best stretch shot like thirty
five percent when.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
He started getting more minutes.
Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
So it's not like you have this long movie with
he's a three and D guy where the three is
a little bit more theoretical.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Yeah, I just I buy it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
I buy the theory this time, so I I'm buying
it on Will Riley. He's a guy who I just
when I see him play, I think that guy's going
to average fifteen a game on twenty five to thirty
minutes per game on a good team, as you know,
the fifth or sixth best player as an either starting winger,
sixth man, and I think that's pretty valuable in the
(01:01:05):
middle of the first round. Todd Pettiford, we already mentioned
I gave all the stats on him and the last guy,
and I'll kind of let you cook on him because
I know you're even probably higher on him than I am.
I'm curious we will do big boards officially at some
point here where. How high do you think you'd end
up on Nee Clifford?
Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Nee Clifford, I do guy. Yeah, I do like him
quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
I think he probably late late lottery, probably on the
maybe even a little beyond that is probably mid first round.
I guess it's to be a little bit more broad
stroke with it. I like him a lot. He's a
guy that I guess the argument against him is a
little bit like what is his exact NBA role or
what is his fit. He's a little bit of do
everything kind of guy. But I mean he competes. I
thought he was really impressive, and now that I'm running
(01:01:50):
the back of my head, I think that was the
guy I was arguing against Derek Queen with with Sam
Ostry because it was the Maryland game there. But yeah,
I like nee Clifford a lot. I would have him
pencil then as like a mid first round pick there.
I'm still kind of laying out my complete big board
I gotta get in the weeds and pencil out exactly
where those numbers are. But I think a team should
be totally comfortable walking away with him as a first
round pick.
Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Just an insane rebounder as a guard, nine point six
rebounds a game.
Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
It's five. I don't know if that's something you should
really care about or take into consideration.
Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
But he also averaged He also averaged seven point six
the year before, so it's not like it was like
a one year thing. Yeah, his numbers are just crazy
and obviously older prospect at a lower level, not that
much of a lower level of the Mountain West's not
he's playing at the Eastern Washington like Cedjac Coward was.
(01:02:41):
But I think Nee Clifford right now, I have him
at sixteen or fifteen if you Axle.
Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Leaves the draft.
Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
So he's definitely become one of my guys.
Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I wouldn't say this guy's one of my guys.
Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
I'll just bring him up as a guy, probably not
for the sixers, but in the twenties. Chasliniar, I think
think he's going to be a second round pick. I
think he's a first rounder. I think he should go
in the first round. I think he will be an
NBA player. Any take on any take on Chas Lanier.
Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I would take a chance on him as well,
But I mean, he can shoot the absolute lights out,
so it's kind of worth a chance me. He's got
good size. I think he measured it at six foot
six there. He Yeah, think he's got good size on him,
good frame there. He kind of fit a little bit
of that Dalton connect role of stepping up for Tennessee
this season. I think Dalton there's probably more to him
as an overall basketball player, but Chaz can really shoot it, man,
(01:03:29):
So I do think he'll be an early second round pick,
and I honestly wouldn't mind if that was the selection
at thirty five there.
Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't really want them to
take a guard, but he'll probably be better than the
player i'd want them to take at a different position
given what would be available, like Kalk Brenner.
Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
I've seen Brenner mocked them a ton, which I hate
that I would not be happy with.
Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
I like him. I have him like twenty one on
my big board. I just think he's a He is
a really really good defensive big who doesn't foul.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
It's actually he's like never found out of games, and
he was a really good rim protector. I think I
think people overrate the shots sometimes, but I buy in
on the rim protection and I think the rim protection
will make him an NBA backup center at the least
for sure.
Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
That's probably fair. And I guess that's all you're shooting
for in that spot there. But I guess like the
difference between Ryan Kalkbrenner and a guy you can get
on a veteran's minimum, I feel like is not that significant.
I guess we haven't had the greatest hit rate with
the Greg Munrose and the DeAndre Jordans, and you can
run through the roll decks that the Sixers have tried here.
Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
But you got a guy that.
Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
I do kind of like in a den Bona that
I don't think is like the backup center of the
future in the way that some people talk about him,
but an option to have there. So I would prefer
taking a chance on a guy that can bring a
little bit more preferably of the wing or you know,
something like that kind of category.
Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
So I just wouldn't love if Kulkbrenner is the decision
from the sixers perspective.
Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
That's fair. Let's say a break. And on the other side,
we got some we will do a little sports carousel action.
Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
We got some on some other sub So what I
have my picks obviously to give out. I want to
do a Phillies update. And they have not lost since
the last time we have been on the show.
Speaker 8 (01:05:06):
They tried last night.
Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Yeah, they tried last night, but they figured out a
way to win. That's all they cost. Eight straight wins here.
We're feeling good in Phillies. Lad best record in the
National League. It did. The Tigers still have a better
record than them in terms of the best record in
baseball thirty three and ninety Yeah, oh no, we are
the best record in baseball as of right now because
the Tigers.
Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
Because the Tigers lost to and arowd I knew they
lost last night. Tigers are a half game behind us
at thirty three and nineteen. We are thirty three and
eighteen best record in baseball for the second straight year.
At the end of May, hear so good stuff from
our Phills and we'll talk about it on the other side.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Number one on your car radio preset hand the new
and improved Diehard Radio w D YES and WD two
seven three D Philadelphia. I is Fox Sports Radio The Gambler.
Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Welcome back to the Tough Cover Radio Show.
Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Shout out to Billy Joel, who anybody, if anybody didn't see,
really sad had to cancel all of his shows going forward.
Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
He has a brain disorder. He says he's not retiring.
He says he wants to rest of and get back,
and I guess there's some doctors out there. He said
that that's possible.
Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
But I'm very happy to say I've seen Billy Joel
four times in concert, twice in MSG, once at the
Link and once at Assistens Bank Park. Fantastic every time.
Nothing like him in MSG though the two times with
Solomon MSG. It's like he owned that stadium in a
(01:07:06):
way that that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Really exist for artists. I did it every month there
for I don't even know how long.
Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Years and years and years and really just an absolute legend.
Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
And shout out to Billy Joel.
Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Yeah, all I have had to had to lead off
with any Billy Joel thoughts from you, Schannard.
Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
Both my parents big time Billy Joel people.
Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
So that has been something that has been played in
my house growing up, played a bit quite a bit, so.
Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
They're very familiar with Billy Joel.
Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Won't act like I'm the number one like that pops
on my ROLLODECKX too awfully often, but tap into it
for the intro music for these shows quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Got innocent man up there.
Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
We got fifty second Street right here, and of course
be doing that caused a fall of all the other
albums and stuff behind me, but we'll figure that out later.
I had to give a shout out to Billy Joel.
Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Culture at the end of the show is gonna be
a bit of a culture corner here, Little Billy Joel
talk a little around the horn talk, but let's shift
it over and talk about my favorite plays forts And
I think I just tweeted it out. If I did,
my phone's dead and I'll tweet it out later.
Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
But my picks for tonight at seven time, we've got
the Tampa bay Rays. I took them minus one ten
against the Toronto Blue Jays. Not a team I bet
on a lot Tampa. I feel like I haven't bet
on a lot of Tampa or Toronto games in general.
Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
This year.
Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Shane Baz has not been very Steady seems like he's
kind of been very hit or miss, but Jose Berrios
Tampa's roster has.
Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Really hit really well in terms of BVP numbers.
Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
So give me Tampa minus one time on the money
line at home in their rinky denk minor League stadium,
as we have a car alarm going off somewhere in
my apartment complex which is going to distract me for
the next twenty minutes. But we also have my best
bet at the night on the Diamond at seven fifteen.
I believe I don't have the schedule right in front
(01:08:55):
of me, but the Dodgers money line against the Mets.
Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
And you know my rules, Sean Bernard.
Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
If the Dodgers money line is plus money, it will
be my best bet on the night. I think it's
very stupid for the Dodgers to be plus money. I
get that the Mets are only two games worse than them.
I think the Dodgers are more than two games better
than the Mets, and the difference between Tony Gonsolin to
David Peterson is not nearly big enough for me to
(01:09:21):
say that the Dodgers should be favored. So I have
the Raiser a one unit play the Thunder which I'm
gonna give out in second at eight thirty thunder run
is doing after two unit play. The Dodgers are twice
as big as any other bet I have tonight either
at or four unit play. Love the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
I'm a Tony gonslim guy, so this is a big
big spot for me here. Any take on any of
those those three.
Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I have nothing that I would I guess support
or fight against this one here the Dodgers love. I
do think you're pretty spot on with like Vegas not
quite getting the respect that they probably should command here,
and the Mets in sort of that same category. So
I like striking while the iron's hot with it it. Also,
I'll just say it does suck that on a more
day weekend we're wait until it for a ten pm
Philly start.
Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
I know, it's brutal hang out with a buddy tonight
and it's like, oh, we we got to wait until
eight thirty for the NBA game and ten o'clock for
the Phillies game. It would be nice if the NBA
game is like seven or seven thirty and that way
you have the full NBA game right into the Phillies game,
which is awesome, but no, it's gonna be a ton.
Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Of overlap there, so that that absolutely stinks. But here
we are, I mean yeah, And it's also like I
feel like some people would look at the Dodgers starting
to be like, whoa, they're not even the best record
in the league.
Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
They're disappointing. I mean, they're on pace to win. Like,
let's do some quick math here, They're on pace to
win over one hundred games. So like, I think that
that's a pretty good pace. So I think the Dodgers
are not, if not disappointing there there, they'll be just
fine and win, you know, one hundred and ten games.
They'll probably win more than they're on pace four as
(01:10:53):
of right now.
Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
If I had to guess.
Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
At ten of five my last bet of the night,
only four bets today got Phillies minus one and a half.
At the Athols, Vegas a's, the Sacramento A's, I guess
just the A's right now.
Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
Yeah, they're going by just the athletics across the board.
Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
It looks like brutal, brutal, brutal stuff. Are they have
they announced if they're definitely keeping a's in Vegas or
is there any I I don't know if that's a
What do you think should they keep should they be
the Vegas A's, or should they completely rebrand.
Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
I don't think it'd be the worst. I need a rebrand,
to be honest. I feel like like I think they
should go rebrand. I don't have any name off the
cuff right here. I think the athletics it's would kind
of be doing them right to let that exist in
in memory in Oakland there to kind of keep that
with the fan base a little bit there.
Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
So yeah, i'd be open to them rebranding. I would
lean that direction.
Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
It's a shame the.
Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Vegas Aces is great WNBA name already, so it doesn't
work as well works for.
Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Very ball and gambling.
Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
But yeah, I know they're very, very good w NBA
team shot out Mark Davis. But those are the four
picks for the night?
Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Do you have you You might have said it earlier. Do
you have a pick in tonight's thunder game?
Speaker 7 (01:12:00):
The under is my favorite playing it to eighteen and
a half here. I think this is going to be
an old school battle where Minnesota tries to match them
defensively here too. I don't have the guts to pull
it on Minnesota getting the win here because Oklahoma City
has just looked that convincing here. And I know you'll
laugh at this take here, but I'll also throw in
the Dallas Wings plus seven and a half against the
Atlanta Dream tonight. I think the plus two to thirty
(01:12:22):
monthing line is worth a sprinkle as well.
Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Wait a second time out, the Pacers are only minus
two tomorrow night.
Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
No, that was for tonight tonight, the no, no, no,
I know, I was.
Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Oh. Also I'm looking at tomorrow night for game three.
Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Yeah, you're currently Wow. I'll add the Pacers to that
list here. I think they smell blood in the water.
They're going to have the home crowd. It's going to
be rowdy in there. I do think that there is
a real world where this is a sweep. In fact,
lean that being the most likely outcome at this point
in the game.
Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Yeah, I totally totally agree. Let me let's suckle pills.
I mentioned them there, minus one and a half. They're
my best bet of the night.
Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
They have not lost since Wednesday, May fourteenth, eight eight
straight wins and a fun fact about this little stretch here.
Philly started the season eight and three.
Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Then they had a five and ten stretch, culminating in
a five game losing streak to bring them to five
hundred at thirteen and thirteen on April twenty fifth. Since
that day they are twenty and five. Trey is hitting.
I'll actually say that I'll throw it to you before
I get to all the SATs, not just Trey. There's
a lot of people on here.
Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
Since I guess, whatever stretch you want to say, the
last twenty five games, the last eight games.
Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
What has really stood out to you about what.
Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Feels different right now about the Phillies team as opposed
to kind of that middle Mollase stretch of the season.
Speaker 7 (01:13:50):
I think in the broader stroke for how they looked
is obviously them generating runs without home runs this season
has been probably the biggest storyline with this Phillies team
and kind of a more specific and recency base. I'll
say the bullpen has still impressed me, even following the
Alvarado suspension here, and I think that should be looked
at as a huge positive last as a huge positive
moving forward that obviously the bullpen was a huge factor
(01:14:11):
in why they underwhelmed the playoffs last year. The Bat's
still the biggest story with that, and that kind of
plays into the conversation for the manufacturing runs in little
small ball ways. Whether it is a Bryce Harper bluepit
over the third basement that drives it a run, Johan
ROAs floating one over the second basement, they're finding ways
to score without needing to fully rely on the power. Now, granted,
they still need to rake a little bit more than
has been the case there, but I will give a
(01:14:32):
little bit more love to the bullpen once again for
even following the Alvarado suspension.
Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
Think it's look pretty solid back there.
Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Yeah, and everybody's talking about, you know that they need
to go out and they need to add a bullpen piece.
And I've got two takes on this. The one I
know I've given here plenty of times. The other I
don't know if I have one. Ranger and Painter are
probably going to be on the bullpen. You look at
how obviously you look at Wheeler, Lozardo, Sanchez and Nola,
(01:14:59):
and I get people are gonna say, oh, well, Fanilla
in the bullpen. Well he's got like two hundred million
dollars due to him still, so I don't think that's going.
Speaker 8 (01:15:05):
To be an option is filthy by the way.
Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Lazarda's number two start. Lazard is a number two starter
with a bullet It's not even close.
Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
He's unbelievable. Like I was.
Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
I had kind of known who he was, but wasn't
like all in on this guy. He's been everything we
could hope for him more to this point, he's been
one of the best pictures in baseball so far as.
Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
He's a sight young right now, I think, like, I
don't know if that's true. I'd have to look at it, but.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Just in terms of, like, right now, the best picture
in the NL, like, I can't imagine he's been. I
think he's got the best era at least, so I'm
gonna look at that after after this though. Uh but yeah,
I I this stretch of time, it just feels like
all the bats are going right at the same time.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
And when you combine that with the.
Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
Best rotation in baseball, all the bullpen has to do
is just not blow it. And I don't think that
the bullpen is going to prevent us from doing anything
this team wants to do. In the regular season. I
think they will make the playoffs. I even think they
will make the they will.
Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Win the division.
Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
I don't think the bullpen will prevent them from winning
the division, But what I will say is I do
think the lack of power and the lack of a
third power bat could prevent us from getting where we
want to go in the playoffs. So to me, I'm
still absolutely very much wanting more so to go out
there and spend assets on a bat than I am
(01:16:23):
on a reliever.
Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
I don't think it's a mutually exclusive conversation personally that
I think you can do both, and I still would
prefer like adding an orm if they can. To this point,
shout out to Tanner Banks for shutting the door last night,
but I don't know if I really want to count
on him. Is like your secondary high leverage left the
arm behind Matt Stohn there, And for Jordan Romano, who's
had a pretty impressive kind of return here, last night
(01:16:45):
was the first time in a while where it was
very clear that like he didn't have it now to
defend him a little bit, like he's a guy that
will gut it out and he tries, and we saw
that last night that he'd still manufactured two outs while
very clearly not having it out there, and one of
the things that I appreciate a little bit. It took
me three pitches to realize, Okay, this guy does not
have it today, and to Rob Thompson's credit, like he
adjusted and got him out of there before it cost
(01:17:06):
them the game. So like, where it really where I
really saw it is for Starter as he went down
two to zero in the opening count, and then on
on that second one, it was kind of one of
those like rub up the ball like that wasn't where
I wanted it, and then he rears back for a
fastball in that third pitch comes in at ninety two
miles per hour, and that's when in my head I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is not one of those days for Jordan Romano.
But with all that being said, like he's been very
good in the overall part, I'm not out on Romano
(01:17:29):
being a part of this bullpen. He just can't be
the clear cut get to the ninth inning and get
it to Jordan Romano the way I think in an
ideal world it could be.
Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I'm still pretty skeptical on Romano. He's our third
guy to me, very clearly outside of outside of Straman O'Ryan.
By the way, two nights in a row, Ryan comes
in to get one out with guys on two guys
on base and comes in and gets it without any
any any kind of fear at all.
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
And I think there's been a lot of people who.
Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
Said, oh, well, he's really good when it doesn't matter,
and then when you bring him in in a.
Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
High leverage spot, he stinks.
Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
I think he's almost been exclusively used in high leverage spots.
Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
His whole career.
Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Really like his whole career, I agree with that, but
especially here as of lately, because he's had to be
because they haven't had a lot of depth in the
bullpend And here he is in May.
Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
He's got a one two nine ERA in nine appearances
in May.
Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
So I love Orian. I think I'm I'm gonna get
a jersey of Oryan Kirkring.
Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
I'm a full on kirk I'm a Kirkhead.
Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
So I need to defend my guy and shout out
to Matt Strom and Ruby Tomorrow for doing it.
Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Under Devin Keney's tweet the other day, who I like
Devin Keaney and I'm friends with her her boyfriend Fink
but I will just say we did not need to
have an honest conversation about Ryan Kirkring, and if we do,
it's the opposite of what Devin Kainey thought it was
when she tweeted it out. My problem wasn't with Devin though.
My problem was with the comments on that post.
Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Being the most just the dumbest, non baseball knowing comments
I've ever seen in my life. Under that, Ryan Kirkeran
needs respect. People need to respect the Ryan Kirkering. He's
better than better than the casuals. Think, yeah, one hundred
percent there.
Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
And I also like kind of don't even get where
people are coming from, Like there hasn't been these examples
of like him like absolutely blowing up or anything, like
he's been really good when you been.
Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Great in the playoffs. He hasn't been great in the No,
nobody has. None of our bullpen pitchers has.
Speaker 7 (01:19:32):
Carlos Stevens was, Matt john wasn't. Yeah, you're right, like
it's all these guys like Ryan wasn't like a you know,
a sore spot in the bullpen.
Speaker 8 (01:19:40):
It was the entire unit.
Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
I love that, But yeah, the whole bullpen had their
problems last year and that's actually where thank bringing that up.
Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
That's actually where my second point was.
Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
Last year, going into the playoffs, I felt, I think
as good as you could possibly feel about a bullpen.
Jeff Hoffmann had been a top five reliever in baseball
last year. Matt Strom was a top ten reliever in
baseball last year. Ryan Kirkring was a top twenty reliever
in baseball last year.
Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Carlos Estevez came in and was absolutely, you know, a
top fifty, top sixty reliever in baseball, legitimate high leverage arm.
Not to mention Jose Alvarado, who kind of put it
together late in the year and after a rough year,
I kind of got it.
Speaker 6 (01:20:27):
Going before the playoffs at the point where maybe you
could be like, oh, you know, as the fifth arm,
there's some upside there, and it all fell apart. Every
single one of them fell apart in the playoffs. From
a bullpen perspective.
Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
What that tells me, I think there's some luck in this.
Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
I think you can you can build your bullpen up
all you want, doesn't mean they're not going to blow up.
And you can go as cheap as you want on
the bullpen, and sometimes it's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
Out. The Texas Rangers had the worst bullpen in baseball
in twenty twenty three. I think they won the twenty
twenty three World Series, right, Not twenty twenty sounds right, Yeah,
twenty twenty three because they beat Arizona, who beat us,
and they.
Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
Won the twenty three World Series and Eraaldus Chapman was
their closer at age thirty nine, and he had like
a resurgence in the playoffs after having a terrible regular season.
I think they they put one of their starters, maybe
Dane Dunning or they had a terrible bullpen, and they cobbled.
Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
They cobbled it together in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
It didn't matter because their starters did really well and
they really hit the ball, and the bullpen kind of
was fine in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Might have cost them a game or two here or there.
But there's part of me that the more playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
I watch and the more random bullpen guys who stepped
up and you know, Andrew Bolatti, go look at what
he did in the twenty twenty two playoffs, a guy
who I loved in the regular season and was pretty
good in the regular season, always had good stuff, and
then in the twenty twenty two playoffs, he was dominant
like he became. I think we used them three straight
days in the World Series and he blew up in
one of those games. But he was really good for
(01:22:01):
the NLDS the NLCS, like the first couple games of
the World Series. You know what, you know what Andrew
Blotti is doing right now two years or I guess
three years later.
Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
I do not. Actually, he has a ten point eight
er in Tijuana in the Mexican Independent League, not great.
Three years ago he was taking down high lever Jennings
in the World Series.
Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
So I think that just goes to show how fast
guys lose it in the bullpen, and how razor thin
the margins are in the bullpen, and how random it
is to some degree, I think.
Speaker 7 (01:22:31):
Yeah, I think that's a very fair overall point, and
I'm totally with you that I felt like as good
as I possibly could about a Phillis bullpen, and in
fact argued very strongly about why this was a reason
I was more optimistic about them going into last year,
and obviously that did not translate in the postseason setting.
It's a different beast playoff baseball, and some guys rise
to that some guys fall, and I do think you
kind of got to roll the dice to an extent here.
(01:22:51):
I will still say for my well being here, I
would prefer to at least give me another arm to
have as a gamble piece of this.
Speaker 8 (01:22:57):
But the starting pitcher point is noteworthy as well.
Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
I don't want to trade Able. I don't want to
trade Banner. I don't want to trade Miller. I don't
really want to trade Justin Crawford. I don't really want
to trade Eduardo Tayee. The cut the catcher prospect, it's
like eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Yeah, people are talking about him like I something I'll say.
I always think it's almost like.
Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Guard prospects in the NBA. It's a little different. It's
a different reason, but I always think catcher prospects get
way overvalued and way overrated because if any catcher can
hit at all, Yeah, I feel like I feel like
scouts are like, oh my god, this guy's gonna be
Buster Posey, Like even Buster Posey if you look at
his stats, Like I think his name recognition as being
like the best catcher for so long was better than
(01:23:45):
like he wasn't hitting like nine to fifty ops or like,
I don't know, it's a it's a weird conversation. I
always feel like catchers in general and fantasy and in
prospects rankings, I always.
Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Feel like they get a little overrated. I think that
happens with JT at time to time.
Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Yeah, when we talk about JT in comparison into like
non catchers, like hitters that are not.
Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Catchers, I think sometimes it's like, no, he's just he's
a good catcher, as he's a good hitter as a catcher,
necessarily the elite, next level hitter as just a position player.
Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
But that's a whole.
Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Another day.
Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Mc gabel that you mentioned in there, what's your grand
game plan with them?
Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
I don't know. Like the able thing is crazy because
I would have said I was saying going into that game,
I think they were doing that as a show spot,
as a case for a trade. I really do.
Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
And I think that was better than any performance anybody's
ever seen him given them at any level.
Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
And the miners were in the majors. And it's not
just I get it was the Pirates. It's what it
looked like, like the break on the ball, this movement,
the velocity that he was getting oh to every count,
He wasn't falling behind in any count.
Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
It was one of the like my wife was watching
with me, and I kept trying to like explain how
insane what was happening to her was.
Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
This wasn't just like you know, watching Wheeler Lozardo do
what they do every outing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
At this point, like what he was doing is just
not It's something I'm willing to give up on. Maybe
that's dumb, and maybe my opinion is you have to
give him more work, whether that is as a starter,
which feels like there's not a lot of endings there
for him to take down as a starter, or if
it means that electric stuff feels like it'd be pretty
nice as an you know, an injection out of the
(01:25:26):
bullpen for an ending or two every once in a while.
And I get that that takes him out of his routine,
but I think I think you have to find a
way to use them.
Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
Yeah, I haven't figured out what they can do with
it either. Like that was like a jaw dropping performance.
Legitimately one of the better debuts I've ever seen from
a guy, and I've seen like Phillies reporters talk about
like that is the best we've ever seen him pitch
on any level, and I think that's probably true. Like
the way that he did attack the zone and the
way he went about everything. It's a tough spot. Like
on the other side of things here, if there was
a showcase, boy did it work? Like you got exactly
(01:25:57):
what you hope for there. So I mean, all this
depends on who's on the table as the guy. The
fact that I don't see like a clear pathway to
him being like a foundational part of this Phillies team
or a guy that has a real role moving forward,
it would not shock me whatsoever. They did move him,
but that did change the way I thought about mcgabel
that performance.
Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
I think you can't move him this deadline unless I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:26:20):
But I like looking ahead, like looking ahead like painters obviously,
like the ace in the hand that the Phillies are
all in on. You already just invested a ton of
Nola Hayes's Lozardo you brought here for reasons.
Speaker 8 (01:26:30):
Zach Wheeler isn't going to a signng term.
Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Yeah, Wheeler and Nola are both older though, Like even
though the Nola contract is five more years, the Wheeler contracts,
what three more years, two more years? I do think
you have to think about life after them. Yeah, And
I think that they've been more willing to go six
man rotation. I mean, look at the Dodgers. How many
(01:26:54):
starters the Dodgers have under under Sounder contract constantly at
this point. And I know that they have like and
of them that are on the injured list, but it
feels like they have eleven starters like and they just
cycle them in now based on who's injured.
Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Might just be where we're at in.
Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Baseball, and we've been spoiled here with just like pictures,
not really missing a lot of time due to injury.
It feels like I don't know what our magic sauce
is there. And we also like throw it harder than
most teams too, so it's really weird.
Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
But I think that it might be the move to
have six seven starters ready to go with how many
guys get hurt nowadays. So if it was a position
player being blocked.
Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
I think i'd have a I think i'd agree with you,
But with it being a picture, I just think there's
so many you're always you can't really have too many.
I don't think in the modern era, so it feels
like it right now. But that's my answer to like
they have to figure out a way to use someone
in the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah, range, there's probably too good painter. I get the
routine conversation. If it's neither of them, I think it
has to be able, like find a way to use them.
Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
And my take on it is like if you're worried
about using him in the bullpen and ruining him and
ruining his routine and like YadA YadA YadA, if Abel
came up and struggled in the bullpen, like, I don't
think that would erase all the value that he built
by coming up and having an insane start.
Speaker 8 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I think we would still have value in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
Yeah, No, I totally agree with that there.
Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
And I think in general, like organizations are way too
stubborn with like the routine and the starter versus bullpen.
Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
Like, I get it.
Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
It's obviously very different in the situation that you're walking
in and you're a whole routine and all that, but
like still pitching, man, it's still going out there and
playing baseball. So I think, like the kid gloves conversation
is a little bit crazy to me. Even with Painter,
I don't understand the significant pushback, and I get like
they're viewing him as the potential ace of the future
and very much viewing it with the long term lens,
(01:28:49):
as they should. But like I think teams should be
a little bit more lenient in allowing guys to have
those kind of chances.
Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
And also there's got Honestly, there's part of me that's
looking at this era and I'm of two minds about it,
because I think this team has a real chance to
win the World Series, that they're on pace to win
one hundred and four hundred and three games, whatever it is,
all that stuff, But I also see the light at
the end of the tunnel a little bit with this
core and with the ages on the roster, and even
(01:29:19):
you know, obviously Pryce and Trey or here, whether you
know they're good or not in five seven years doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Hey, we'll talk about Tray in a second. He's been fantastic.
But Kyle Schwerber another guy who I hope, you know,
I think I think will be I'm actually good. I'm
just not worried about it the way other people are.
I think he's going to be here, but he's another
he better, but I agree another guy very much.
Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
On the older side, Wheeler and Nola in their thirties.
Castiano is only here for another year after this one
in his thirties. You know, we have all these guys
coming up for contract soon with whether it's Bone Rangers
probably gone.
Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Lozarto only has another year after this one. You're gonna
have to pay him, and I think they will.
Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
But there's all these things coming up, and all these
options and forks in the road that the Phillies are
going to have to be at pretty soon here, and
I'm starting to hit a point where I'm like, maybe
the way to extend this era and maybe the.
Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
Best chance at winning our World Series is not going
all in on one year.
Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
It's making sure that you're in it for the next
five to seven and you get all those bites at
the Apple, And I'm starting to think, you know, the
Dodgers are a hard team for me to use for
this comparison, because they are both things. They go all
in every single year and they spend every dollar that
you could possibly imagine, and you know a show, he's
going to make money until twenty seventy five. But I
(01:30:45):
I will say what you've seen from the Dodgers and
all those times where people call them playoff chokers, Guess
what now you can't do that because they've won two titles.
And maybe that's just if you're just in it for
eight straight years, you're probably gonna break through at least
one time, if not multiple times. So I'm getting to
a point now where I'm like, maybe the best way
to try to extend this era is see what painter,
(01:31:07):
Abel Miller, Crawford, run Escobar and Wardo Tai like. You
have all these guys, and I am starting to feel
better about the organization's ability to develop prospects, especially from
the pitching side of things.
Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
Maybe it's maybe it's time to not trade those guys,
which I know is probably not People are gonna love that.
Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
Yeah, it's interesting, like I think painting with a broad
stroke here. One of my frustrations with Dombraski is I
don't think that he's done enough at the deadline in
these past years with World Series teams that have a chance,
like teams that can win at all, and it's just
been like that's the reputation of Nebraski coming to Philadelphia,
is that say goodbye to the farm system. He's going
all in, he's gonna wheeling deal, he's gonna make trades,
(01:31:49):
and that has been true whatsoever across his time here,
So maybe.
Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
He has turned a new leaf in viewing things.
Speaker 7 (01:31:54):
I certainly see the argument that way, But I also
my fear is like you're kind of middle grounding things
that you never make. That that like you're using up
the best years of Bryce Harper, of Kyle Schwarber without
maximizing your chances of winning. So it's a tough balance
to walk. You obviously don't want to empty the clip
for no reason and then have a much darker future there.
So I don't know, I see the case, but I
(01:32:15):
still think like, when you have a chance to win
a World Series, you should still give yourself the ultimate
chance of going.
Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
For it, whatever that means by maximizing the Rodster.
Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
My take is like those top six prospects, and I
think those are the top six on like all the
all the lists.
Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Maybe there's one I'm missing. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
Pat moran' is the guy who keeps me up to
up to date on all his prospects stuff, and by
the way.
Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
He hated Abel until like a week ago, So he
might be a fraud. He might not. He might not
know ball.
Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
He said the short stop right, Uh, what's his name?
The shortstop third baseman Miller?
Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, a painter, Abel Miller,
Tayee Crawford, Escobar, not in that order, just the top
of my head.
Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Those are the six names that I think are.
Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
Abel's probably actually not a part of that because he fall.
He fell in a lot of the prospect rankings, but
some of his stuff are the last year. Yeah, he
was good this year leading into this, but I forget
when the prospect rankings get published every year. But I
those are the six names I wouldn't want to trade
unless we're talking Devers. We're talking you know, a legit
(01:33:25):
outfield guy, a legit bat, a legit.
Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
Power about to put into the lineup Reez.
Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Hoskins is not really someone who I think would take
one of those top six names, probably, But we didn't
trade any of those names.
Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
For like, you know, David Robertson. We made a move
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Estas we traded like one guy who was like our
fifth guy last year. We've made a couple moves over
like years where you trade your eighth and twelve best prospects,
and those are the moves I'd look into for an
arm or if you want to. If you do want to,
the only way I'm using one of those top end
blue chip prospects is on a legit blue chip that. No,
I wouldn't do it for Mason Miller, with Ryan Helsley
(01:34:04):
or whoever. The hot name of the week is from
a relief pitcher standpoint, because like I said earlier, I
think it.
Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Goes like that. And that's not just for guys who
are quickly out of the league. It's also guys who
are quickly elite to just the guy.
Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
I do like Helsley quite a bit. I will say
I like both the.
Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Names I said.
Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
I like Mason Miller, I like David Bednar, I like
Ryan Helsley, I like Felix Bautista, I like whoever you
want to throw at me.
Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
It's just I don't want to spend on a closer
where I'm at.
Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
Yeah, no, I feel you on that.
Speaker 7 (01:34:36):
It is interesting, I will say, like they're in a
much better spot than I expected from a prospect standpoint,
and kind of the options that they do have on
the table here. So the future is a lot brighter
for the Phillies. And I kind of realized heading into
the season.
Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yeah, I mean, and you look at Edwin Diaz. It's
like Evan Diaz has had years where he had a
long stretch last year where he was pretty unpitchable.
Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
In twenty nineteen is for year with the Mets, he
had a five to five nine year. He followed that
up with a one seven five up to a three
four to one, down to a one three five. Like
He's been up and down in terms of being.
Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Elite to just a guy too bad to elite, to
just a guy to elite to two.
Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Point seven now, Like I just think it can bounce
around Emmanuel Classe. Yeah, is he He's currently not the
Cleveland closer.
Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they had to take
him out of the role.
Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
And he fell a part of the postseason last year
after being disgusting the entire season.
Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Oh, having one of the best, one of the best.
Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
He had an zero point six to one last year
in seventy four appearance. I've never seen anything like that. Yeah,
in following baseball that is in insane number and he's
always been a guy and Pat Moran getting a lot
of a lot of shouts out on the show, not
a like crazy strikeout guy when you're talking about an
elite closer, Like if you just look at a closer,
he usually has more strikeouts than Ennings pitched. If they
(01:35:55):
are like a nasty closer class is not a more
strikeouts than the Enning pitched guys, an under nine K
nine guy in a nerdy.
Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Way to say that.
Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
And so I've always been skeptical of him, and Pat
Moran's always hated classe. So when he's melted down this year,
Pat has taken several victory laps on his on his behalf.
Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
But a couple Philly's stats I want to throw out there.
Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
Trey Is hitting three seventy one with a nine to
thirty seven OPS over his last twenty five games. Over
the last thirty four games, Alec Boom hitting three twenty
five with an eight thirty eight OPS plus. That's three
thirty within eight to fifty ops plus in the twenty
and five streak. Over the last twenty five games, Bryce
hitting three forty eight with a nine to ninety nine
OPS in his last eighteen games and I think it's
(01:36:40):
around the time he shaved his head probably, I think
a little shorter stretch than that. But anyway, last thing,
last thing, certainly not least Around the Horn YEP had
its last episode this week, And I'll ask you first
before I launch into my my rant. Any connection to
Around the Horn for you? Is that a show you
(01:37:01):
grew up on and you know, rushed home to wash
like I did?
Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
Yeah, very much?
Speaker 7 (01:37:04):
So that Around the Horn part of the interruption that
was my get home from school, flipping on right away
and my kind of escape from the world here. So
that's certainly I know you kind of referenced earlier, but
something that took me on the pathway to where I'm
at right now that I thought Tony really running the show.
If they're a guy who even to this day when
you think about like a guy in the media world,
that would just be one of like the most down
(01:37:25):
to earth guys to like hang out with. Tony really
right at the top of that list there, so certainly disappointing.
A ton of awesome names that have come through that show,
a ton of awesome journalists that have been highlighted for
their work, and seeing that kind of platform, so it
definitely hits home that kind of thing and cool that
you feel the same way with all that.
Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
Yeah, I absolutely grew up on Around the Horn and
I absolutely would not be here without that show.
Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
And I there's no secret that I get in the
mud and I like to debate and I like.
Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
To argue, and sometimes that causes riffs between you know,
people in the Gambler, people in discord chats. Well, whatever
you want to say, I wouldn't say I'm like the
easiest person to deal with. Necessarily, I'm easy to get
an argument with. I can't bite my tongue when I
disagree with something.
Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
But something I love is getting on air and debating
a topic, and especially when it stays civil and it
stays above the board.
Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
And I think I think about a lot when I
have a passionate opinion, how I'm going to defend that
topic and how I'm going to debate in ways I
can frame that in different ways to look at that.
And I sign a lot of that to you know,
guys like Bill Simmons, guys like Colin Cowhard, guys like
Ryan Roussillo, and guys that I grew up you know,
listening to their radio shows. But I also, maybe more
(01:38:46):
than anything, assign it to around the horn and you know,
having a topic come up and four guys had to
talk about it, even if it was a topic where
all four people were relatively saying the same thing, they
had to all find their own way to say it
and find their own been on it, and find their
own way to give a take on it without just
repeating the news basically.
Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
And I thought that that the way that they did it.
Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
And they had journalists from all over the country with
different diverse backgrounds and different cities that they came from,
and different you know, opinions that they believed in, different
sports that they specialized in, And.
Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
I thought it was just you know what all sports
like talks talk shows should be.
Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
Yeah, And I think in an era where ESPN has
embraced debate for lack of a better word or term,
and that has been we want our entire airwaves to
be people yelling at each other and debating Jordan and
MJ or Jordan and MJ Jordan and Lebron or debating
whatever dumb topic we have about the WNBA today or
(01:39:46):
whatever dumb topic that's designed to get people angry on
social media. It really I think says a lot that
the show that came before all of that, that was
the Pardon to take the term for Rico Boss about
healthy debate and about finding a way to debate your
topic and you know, kind of verbally jousting with you know,
(01:40:08):
fellow journalists who are just as intelligent as you were.
I think it says a lot about ESPN, It says
a lot about media literatory in today's world, and it
says a lot about the sports media landscape that that
show couldn't fit into a channel that is trying to
be about debate, and I think it's pathetic on ESPN's
part to get rid of it. And I think sports
(01:40:28):
fans are dumber today than they were twenty years ago,
and I think that's only going to be that's only
going to continue with the lack of shows like an
Around the Horn and one last thing or I guess
one lesson to wrap this up, and ESPN and Tim
Kalishaw put a great point on this on yesterday's show
about ESPN's need to hire every athlete that retires and
(01:40:52):
need to give them millions and millions of dollars at
despite every journalist and every broadcaster that's out there. I
don't have really a single player that I can think
of that made me want to do this, made me
want to do a radio show, made me want a podcast,
maybe want to give my opinion and saying and do
a microphone and hope people listen to it. People that did,
(01:41:13):
And just reading down the top of the Apple podcast chart,
I think should be telling d ESPN part of my take.
Bill Simmons, Matt Jones, Dan Levitard, Zach Lowe, Pablo Torri,
Ryan Roussillo. Just for instance, those are seven of the
top eight podcasts on the chart. And obviously there are
(01:41:36):
some athletes on here as well. You get Dan Patrick,
you get PTI, you get Colin Cowherd, you get Brian Wintwurst,
you get Tim McMahon and Tim bon Temps on that
show as well. I think all of those people have
provided far more insight and value to the way that
I enjoy sports and I think about sports when they're
not on my television in front of me than any
(01:41:58):
former athlete such as Shit and Sharp.
Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Or Pat McAfee has.
Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
And they are the people who make me want to
do this, and you know, hopefully one day be like
them and become one of them and put my own
spin on what they do.
Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
So I don't feel like I talk about stuff like
that all that often.
Speaker 6 (01:42:17):
Really, I don't even know if I've really put into
words how I feel.
Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
About it properly, even on this show.
Speaker 6 (01:42:22):
And I don't know why this is affecting me the
way that it is, but it really really upsets me,
and when I haven't really even been able to like
collect my thoughts and put my thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
It, and I know that's stupid.
Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
I'm not saying I've watched it every day for the
last ten years, but it's something I watched every day
as a kid. And I'm really sad that the kids
growing up today that love sports the way I did
when I was a kid won't have that as a
vehicle for healthy kind of sports topics and healthy sports debate.
And I think it's that sports world's dumber today than
it was for the last twenty years.
Speaker 7 (01:42:53):
Yeah, I think you nailed all of that and very
well said, and you're absolutely right about kind of the
changing landscape and everything that comes with it, So I
can leave it at that. I think you kind of
crush the analysis of all of it and well said
and well done and hopefully better days ahead.
Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Hopefully so. And I actually I had one more thing
that I wanted to do. Are we coming up against it?
We got to throw it here we do.
Speaker 8 (01:43:13):
We have a green li engine.
Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Next, let's throw it to Green Legion.
Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
Then I'll do that next week potentially so Green Lesion
Radio coming up after this right here on Fox Sports
Gamer
Number one on your car radio preset hand and new
and improved. Iheard radio w D A y S and
w D two seven break Day Philadelphia is Fox Sports
Radio The Gambler and.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Let you want to talk right down to that and
the language that everybody here can easily understand.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
The listen n.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Hello, he ad, the coastality, the postco contra nality, the coastality.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
That's sun Ore.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Hello, and welcome to the fun cover radio show. I
am your host, as always, Mark Henry Junior. You can
follow me on Twitter, Mark Henry Jr. NFL.
Speaker 6 (02:02):
We're gonna be going from eleven to one right here
on the Gambler on iHeartRadio back on the ones and
two at my co host as always, schaum Bernard.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
You can follow on Twitter at Shawn Underscore Bernard one Sewan.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
You know what, wait pause, My inflection is not positive enough,
it's not happy enough.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
This is a good show for Schaunard and I. Chaum
Bernard and I have to both come on here and
eat crow plenty of times. When you give as many
takes as I think we do, I think you open
yourself up for that, and that's just how it works.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
And you know when you're wrong, you have to eat it.
But when you're right, it feels good coming on these shows.
And you know we talk about that with the Phillies
winning or losing. It feels even better when it comes
to takes or picks. And here we are the Indiana
Pacers just went into the Madison Square Garden, the mecca
New York City, right on Miles McBride Boulevard and Delonne Drive,
(03:01):
and went up two to oh on Sam Austre's New
York Knickerbockers and Sean I'll give the floor as yours.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
Yeah, it's a good day to be a hater. Mark
Henry Jr. That I very much enjoyed watching these past
two games. Not only has been some great quality hoops,
but it has ended in the exact direction that I preferred. There,
So an incredibly disastrous game one, just blown game there,
one of the more unreal comebacks I've seen in any sport,
with Aaron Nasmich just gone on an absolute heater Tyrese
Haliburn with the choke sign out in New York. It
(03:32):
was cinema there, so I absolutely love that, and then
following that up with just a grown up, mature victory
in Game two by this Pacers team, they just straight
up looked like the better basketball team. It's about the
time we give this Pacers team a little respect. This
is their second straight year in the conference finals. They've
been doing this for a while now, and I think
Midnight has officially struck on the Cinderella New York rum.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
The Indiana Pacers. Now in the last sixty nine games.
Do you know how many wins they have in that stretch, Sean.
Speaker 8 (03:58):
Bernard fifty six.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
It's fifty. I shouldn't even have phrase praised it like
that because I was phrasing it to have you go over.
But fifty and nineteen is a crazy, crazy run. I mean,
that's a sixty win pace over a full NBA season,
and it's just this team start at ten to fifteen.
Alibert had a bad start to the season.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
That's pretty much the only reason that this is a
title favorite title contending one or.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
A two seed.
Speaker 6 (04:26):
To be honest, they should have been what Cleveland was
this year to some capacity if they just didn't get
off to a bad November and December, which you know,
I think they've more than made up for by now
and might go to their first step I you know,
I don't want to be the jinxter, but I said
before Game one, if you take two.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
Games in New York, there's no way the Knicks are
winning this series. And I haven't looked at what the
series market is. I don't know if you could, if
you could pull that up.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
Over on DraftKings, but I can't imagine Indiana losing both
games in Indiana. I think this is at least three
to one going back to Game five.
Speaker 7 (05:09):
Yeah, looking at the price on DraftKings sportsbook, Pacers minus
five to twenty five favorites, giving the New York's plus
four hundred odds of a comeback there. For comparison, here
the Thunder minus fourteen hundred favorites, with the Timberwolves at
plus eight to fifty, so giving the Nicks more of
a puncher's chance than the Timberwolves are coming back, which
I do think is fair based on how dominant the
Thunder have looked there. But yeah, I'm happy for this
(05:29):
Pacers team. Man and a guy I specifically want to
give a little bit more love to is Tyrese Haliburton.
I think him being voted the most overrated player, which
was nonsense from the start, that I've kind of called
that out directly, as this isn't a vote that players
take as who's the most overrated player. It's a vote
that players take is who do we dislike a little
bit or who do we think is corny that doesn't
carry themselves in the way they will like? And that's
(05:50):
why Tyrese Halburton wins that award. It has very little
to do with his actual play, but boy is he
wearing that chip on his shoulder and I'm loving every
second of it. From Holburn's perspective, I've never been like
the number on Tyrese Haliburton guy, but I've had some
sympathy for him this year and really the past couple
of years the way that he's been talked about. So
it's been pretty cool for him to really step into
the spotlight and have the chance and execute proving everyone
(06:10):
wrong down the stretch here.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
I wanted to grab Becky for this.
Speaker 6 (06:14):
Tyrese Halliburton big big Golden Doodle owner Mike caviapoo Becky.
If you look at his header on Twitter, his dog
very much looks almost exactly like just a bigger version
of my dog. And he had nikes this year that
were custom like golden doodle like like kind of design
on the sneakers that he wore for like a dog
(06:36):
appreciation night at the Pacers game or something, and pretty
cool when I saw that and not to mention and
I said this on the trill stream and people thought
I was crazy. Tyre's Halliburton in my opinion, and someone
might be able to find someone different. I think he's
the most famous like true sicko WWE fan, Like he
watches Raw, SmackDown, NXT, every paper.
Speaker 5 (06:59):
I don't like. I don't watch every roll on SmackDown
on NXT.
Speaker 6 (07:03):
I watch every pay per view and I kind of
consume wrong on SmackDown the way a lot of people
do in twenty twenty five, which is through Twitter and
through clips and through YouTube and not watching the full
two hour show. Tyre's Halliburton is like a true sicko
and knows everything. He went on a podcast once that
I listened to Peter Rosenberg's wrestling podcast and it was
you know a lot of people are like, oh yeah,
(07:23):
I like the wrestling stuff and d X John Cena, Yeah,
Ram Stereo, like he was going deep talking wrestling and
like storylines and fantasy booking.
Speaker 5 (07:34):
People might think he's lame, that's fine.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
Those are two specific things that I've kind of seen
him do off the court over the last year that
I've become a big Haliburton off the court fan. Yeah,
so him doing all this on the court, it just
makes me even even more in on Haliburton. This Pacers team,
I said it a couple of weeks ago, is my
favorite non Lebron Sixers team in a very long time.
And honestly it's I I'm not a Lakers guy at all,
(07:58):
so it's my favorite non Lebron. It's my favorite non
Cavs team from from that twenty to twenty tens.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So I love this Pacers team. I think they're so
fun to watch.
Speaker 6 (08:09):
Yeah, it's that that I saw the forty I think
it's forty seven minutes that the the Knicks players. The
forty three minutes that the Knicks starting lineup have logged together,
they have posted at one fifty five point one defensive
ratings against the Pacers. They have just not been able
to defend this Pacers team and this this NIXT team.
(08:29):
And I think a lot of this goes to show
just how dead the Celtics were with with Chris STAPs
and everything going on with him with Drew and his content,
like he aged like Benjamin Button in one series and
lost all of his abilities. Jalen Brown we found out
with a hurt munificious injury.
Speaker 5 (08:48):
Obviously, Jason Tatum goes out in Game five.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
By the way, a lot of Knicks fans were saying, like, oh,
you can't say we would have lost that game because
we were up eight when Jason Tatum went out. Well,
what happened to that Pacers team when you were comply
line with fifty seconds left? But yeah, I mean the
Pacers go out and put one thirty eight up in
game one and obviously one fourteen, not as much in
Game two, but yeah, the second half they put up
(09:12):
sixty five points thirty three in the fourth. I just
I don't think the Knicks are good enough to handle
this Pacers team and to score with this Pacers team
on a consistent basis. And the reason that I love
watching Indiana is because they just have different options. And
I've talked about this all playoff run and every time
I bet, I feel like I bet on the Pacers
a lot on this show on Saturdays, and every time I've.
Speaker 5 (09:36):
Brought it up. It's just they're so deep.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
They are so deep, they have so many guys who
can get hot in any given game. Obviously, Tyres Taliburton
is gonna do what he's gonna do. Even in game
two he didn't have I don't know what his final
line was. In game two, he didn't have that that
crazy of a game.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
I don't think.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, fourteen eleven and eight five is sixteen shooting, three
of ten shooting not great in terms of shooting for
in the field. Pascal Siakam goes out and balls out
and that's thirty nine points.
Speaker 5 (10:04):
And that's really the Siakam game.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Game one, not only was it the Halliburton game, and
you have aaron Ne Smith going eight of nine from
three obi top and I don't think it's been His
stat line hasn't been great, but I feel like he's
given them some big moments and some clutch buckets at times.
And you look at TJ McConnell had some really big
moments in this game.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
I know your guy, Ben Shephard, you love him.
Speaker 8 (10:30):
Two big three guy.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Last night, Miles Turner hit multiple big shots in the
last three minutes of the game. Like when you think
about Miles Turner, You're not thinking going to him for
big shots down the stretch, But I mean, that's what
he was doing. And I I just I love this
Pacers team.
Speaker 6 (10:47):
I think they have a chance against Oklahoma City if
that's what we see. Obviously, I think Oklahoma City wins,
but I really do think that, you know, I don't
want to count the Pacers team out from doing anything.
Speaker 7 (10:58):
Yeah, In the biggest contrast that I think as clear
as just the depth here, when you compare this to
a team like the Knicks, you know exactly what you're
getting from minutes perspective.
Speaker 8 (11:05):
They really went seven deep last night.
Speaker 7 (11:07):
That we did see a couple minutes from campaign that
he logged nine in that, but outside of that, it
is just the core seven there. I see Tom Thibodeaux
catching a bunch of heat for benching Karl Anthony Towns. Frankly,
I think that was the right decision there that I
thought Mitchell Robinson was giving them way more from an
offensive rebounding perspective, defensive perspective, and so often, like Karl
Anthony Towns, We've talked plenty about his defensive shortcomings. That's
been one of my critiques of him that I think
(11:28):
he's a flawed player for that specific reason. There So
often when you think about a defensive shortcomings and a
player that it is you're going to isolate taking one
on one. That's really not how they're killing Karl Anthony Towns.
It's putting them in these off ball sets where he
has to chase guys around screens and he's just absolutely
losing everything there. So I thought that was a fine
move by Phibbs. I think he just doesn't really have
(11:49):
the horses to answer that. Rick Carlisle's deck is a
little bit more stacked than the options that he has.
I mean, even last night, Sixers legend Tony Bradley making
an impact in that game, logging some minutes there, and
that was a dude. We have seen really all playoffs.
So Carlisle's got a deep bag of what he can
pull from. He's pulling all the right strings for this
Pacers team. They're playing hard from them, and I think
depth has become underrated in the conversation when viewing a
(12:10):
playoff contender.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, it definitely has, at least in this era of parody,
which is absolutely what we're in, which is gonna be
the seventh straight new champion. Carl Towns was a minus
twenty in that game, so I don't disagree.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
I think they made the right decision getting him off
the floor of the campaign minutes were disastrous for the
next I saw people complaining about that on the In
terms of Knicks fans, shout out Tony Bradley, Like you said,
we would have made the Eastern Conference finals in twenty
twenty one if Darryl the worst move of Darryl Morey's tenure.
It's not the Joel Embiide contract extension. It's not Paul George, it's.
Speaker 5 (12:47):
Not whatever went on with James Harden.
Speaker 6 (12:50):
It's trading Tony Bradley for George Hill, which not only
took the only.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
Acceptable backup big off of our twenty twenty one.
Speaker 6 (12:56):
Roster, it also got Doc to feel fine about not
playing Maxie in that year, and playing George Hill twenty
to twenty five minutes in playoff games, not and giving
Maxi dnps. People forget, oh, I can't believe in doing this.
People forget In the twenty twenty one Hawk series. The
only reason that series went seven is because after Maxie
(13:17):
was not being used for most of the first five
games of the series. They broke him out in game
six and he won them game six. Yeah, to get
to a game seven, and that's whatever.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
That's a whole other story for another day.
Speaker 7 (13:28):
I believe George Hill had like a thumb injury or
some sort of shooting face shooting.
Speaker 8 (13:32):
Yeah, he just stopped here.
Speaker 5 (13:34):
Yeah, he wouldn't shoot, he would get the ball. Yeah,
I'm not interested. Pretty it was the same thing I've
ever seen.
Speaker 7 (13:40):
Yeah, I had the bummer because I like George Hill
and like the overall career art from him. But yeah,
not one of Darryll's finest moves and definitely something that
was costing that. I think that cost him a little
bit of money when you live dive into the finances
of where that fell in the tax bracket too. So
just like an all around failure on every level.
Speaker 6 (13:55):
Oh man, I was I can't believe by I went
on the Tilbro Dude stream. I've been going on a
lot of those the last couple of weeks on playback,
really really fun kind of talking about the draft and
talking about the game that's going on, and randomly we
just started diving into like you know, like sliding doors
moments of this six weeks era and twenty twenty one,
(14:17):
we were saying, he has a very strong take that
twenty twenty three it was the year that was the
team that should have done it.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It was the best team it was. We were right there.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
And while I get all of that, what I would
say is that the twenty twenty one league sucked.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Yea, it was just not a great MBA. We were
the one seed obviously, wasn't I don't think twenty twenty
one team was that good comparatively to even twenty nineteen
or twenty twenty three, But the rest of the league
wasn't that good. I kind of some people. I think
people look at a lot of people.
Speaker 6 (14:49):
Look at twenty nineteen as the year they the Kawhi
five bounces, as the year that they kind of that's
the sliding doors moment.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
To me, it's actually twenty twenty one. But to each
their own, where would you? Where would you slide? On
that debate? I guess you the most.
Speaker 7 (15:04):
I probably lean more towards the twenty one side of things.
From a heartbreak perspective, I think twenty three was worse.
Just seeing Jason Tatum drop fifty on our heads in
a Game seven at home. There was just rough, but
I mean an actual chance to win it. That was
like before the Bend meltdown. That was like, well it
happened during that there, and it felt like the work
was put in that season to earn the one pick,
to create this clear pathway better than ever before, and
(15:26):
then they just straight up blew it there. So as
far as just leaving, I guess, you know, some meat
on the bones or food on the table, however we
want to put it there, twenty one is always like
the least satisfactory playoff front, I would say, And twenty.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Nine team is still so early, like it was just hope.
Speaker 6 (15:42):
Yeah, my hope wasn't dead yet at that point. Twenty
twenty three was really like the dead Hope moment. But
twenty twenty one was the moment where it was that
should have happened, That should have been the year. Anyway,
painful conversation we did not need to have right there,
But anyway.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
Where do you think this fall is on the next
conversation there? How are they looking at this season?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
It's really hard to because they got to have the moment,
they got to have the celebration beating Boston and the guys. Yeah,
Delon Wright drive, but I I this has to take
a lot of the good feeling out of that and
now you can't fire tips. Yeah, it feels very much
(16:26):
like you're stuck here now a little bit.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
I I don't know if they would have lost Game
two in a more heartbreaking fashion, then I think this
is an all time, you know, sad thing.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
I feel like it was more normal like Game one was,
you know, next level.
Speaker 6 (16:45):
Obviously, I've never seen anything like it in the history
of basketball. And I know Sam had a problem with that,
and we've seen it twice in the last two rounds.
Something different about doing it in Game one and the
biggest game in Knick's history and the choke moment and
Reggie Miller on the call, and people had a problem
with that. I was on the stream with Drill and
everybody's like, Oh, they're gonna lose. They're gonna lose now
that he did it, and they're gonna lose, And I
(17:07):
was just saying, like, I don't care. You have to
do it in that moment he thought he hit a three,
that was the perfect moment to do it. And also
now that they won, what if he did it at
the end of the game when they were like doing
the foul game, and like if he just did it
as time expired, has none of the same juice. Oh
he does not feel the same. Now, that's iconic. I
(17:28):
mean that's that's a bigger moment than the Reggie Miller moment.
Speaker 8 (17:32):
Yeah, like it really is.
Speaker 6 (17:34):
And that sounds crazy to say, but that was And
if if that was a three, I think that would
have been like the greatest NBA game I've ever watched.
Speaker 7 (17:42):
Yeah, I would agree with that. And I thought it
was live too, Like I was disappointing. But I mean
Halibert man talk about having some stones between that and
the big ball celebration that he busted out against the
Calves here, the dude is a showman in a way
that like I very much respect and think deserve.
Speaker 5 (17:57):
What did I say about him earlier, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:59):
You've been on that. It's all like no, no, meaning
he's a wrestling fan. Oh gotch gotcha, gotcha? Okay, Yeah,
I think that.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Really people people are gonna roll their eyes at that.
That's what that is.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Yeah, Schaumber Nord sell me do a dance at my
wedding with my wife like an impromptu from Greece.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Like I there's I do think when you're a wrestling fan.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
You have that you know, you see these people have
these showman moments and the entrances and all that stuff.
And I think when you're a wrestlingvent you think about
things like that a little bit differently.
Speaker 8 (18:29):
Yeah, no, I think that's fair. But like a nerd take, no,
I like it.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
I have no problem with the I think it's I
like when guys sees the moment like that and make
it theirs and show the personality. And I think that's
a lot of what rubs people the wrong way about Haliburton.
Speaker 8 (18:42):
But I like that.
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I liked about Trey Young too. I think it's awesome
that he wants to be the villain. I think it's
cool that tyres Halburtn has embraced this, that he's kind
of stepped into front and center from it, and I
give him ultimate credit. And for the specific numbers of
that meltdown there, that is the first time in one
four hundred and fifteen playoff games that a team has
led by nine plus points in the final minute of
play and lost the game.
Speaker 5 (19:02):
There, Angel reaes too big villain right, we're big fans
of her here it's danger.
Speaker 6 (19:09):
Yes, I'm I'm not getting into the w NBA conversation.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
I do not. I let me be clear, I have
no interest and.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I'll throw this out here.
Speaker 7 (19:18):
I for whatever reason, I've kind of like gotten into
the w NBA this year, Like I've watched like six
or seven games.
Speaker 8 (19:24):
The Dallas is fun to watch.
Speaker 7 (19:25):
There's a lot of teams that you don't have to
just talk Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. I have not
touched it commenting on Twitter, just because I don't want
to open that can of worms.
Speaker 6 (19:35):
Well, maybe I'll maybe I'll throw that into my around
the Horn rant a little later in the show when
nobody's watching at the end.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Hopefully I'm joking.
Speaker 6 (19:43):
I'm joking, but I have some thoughts on around the
Horn that I want to get off my chest. Now
I'm going to do that at the end of the show.
A show I really I don't think I'm here without
so I want to talk about that at the end
of the show for sure.
Speaker 5 (19:58):
Let's move on to the other series.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
So Indiana, but what's the series market on that Pacers
nixt series?
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Before we move on to the other one.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
Because you mentioned the Thunder, I think are up at
like minus fourteen hundred.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
You already said.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Pacers minus five twenty five nixt plus four hundred.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I'm actually surprise that's not higher. I think part of
that is just being a New York team. Gambling is
legal in New York. Also, don't think it's.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Legal in Indiana.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
I could be wrong on that, but it is legal
in New York and they're a public team, so I
think that that number probably should be more like five
six hundred. I don't think there's any value in that
plus four hundred number. And then the thunder, I think
you can call the series over. And I'll just say
it right now. I have my pick segment coming up
later in the show. Thunder minus two and a half
(20:43):
are my second favorite play of the day. I love
the Thunder to blow out. The timber was when I saw.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Minnesota take thirty more threes in Game one and lose
the game. I just I thought that that said it all.
In the modern NBA. You don't take thirty more threes
than the other team and lose.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I mean, it's just threes more than two, and I
know that they shot him efficiently, but I just don't
think and I think that that was the right gimmick
to try to beat Oklahoma City and it didn't work,
And I just don't. I think we saw the tough
Oklahoma City series and now they're here to ruin their
playoffs that have been super fun and they're gonna, you know,
(21:23):
maybe probably lose one to two games for the rest
of the way and dominate their way to a championship.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
Yeah, there's just too much on this Oklahoma City team.
There's so deep, they got so many options that they
could throw at you, and their third quarter feels like
the new version of the Warriors to me. And it's
obviously stylistically very different that when you think Golden State,
it is launching threes and going on this offensive wave
that the opponent can't match. But for Oklahoma City, they
just clamp down defensively in a way that like very
few defenses ever have been able to reach when how
(21:51):
effective they are for just completely just shutting things off
for the opponent.
Speaker 8 (21:54):
There.
Speaker 7 (21:54):
So the way that the third quarter momentum swings that
is to me, like that's a defining rate of this
team and that's something that I think continues to carry
through so yeah, I think this Minnesota team can still
kind of rest their head fairly solidly that they reached
this point after the turnover in the offseason. Julius Randall
came down to earth in the previous game after he's
been straight up excellent for the duration of the playoffs.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
But ye have the Thunder. I don't think you're gonna
have any problem cruising through.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Quick reminder, by the way, about the Oklahoma City Thunder
and something that I kind of forgot about for a while.
A guy who I had top five in my NBA
Draft rankings last year, Nicole Toprich. Yeah, was the number
twelve pick of the draft. And it's just he doesn't
play for the Thunder. He's hurt this year. He will
be back next year and that will be just another
(22:41):
piece that the Thunder can add into their repertoire.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
And let's take a break because my dog decided.
Speaker 6 (22:47):
So on the other side, talking more hardwood and going
back to NBA Draft conversation, we're back on ash Island and.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Some other some other topics.
Speaker 6 (22:58):
We're gonna rank outside of flag the best potential star
outcomes for the rest of the draft.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
So back after this talking more basketball.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Spreads, totals and all the prop that's in between. It's
The Gambler.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Welcome back to the radio show right here on Fox Sports.
The Gambler, Going back to the hardwood.
Speaker 6 (23:32):
We obviously have the two Eastern Conference finals going on,
but we have more important matters obviously going on here
in sixer Land and here in NBA Draft World, and
that's where I'm spending most of my time lately. It
seems like thinking about I will say, while we're on
the draft, just a quick glance at the Oklahoma City
(23:53):
thunders upcoming draft picks.
Speaker 5 (23:56):
Going to win the title.
Speaker 6 (23:58):
They have the fifteenth pick and the twenty f worth
picking this year's draft, they have a second rounder, they
have their own pick next year, They have our pick
next year. They have a Jazz pick next year that
they're not gonna get because it's super protected.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
In twenty twenty seven, they have swap.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Rights with the Clippers or the Nuggets, so they'll get
the better of either of those picks. And then they
have in twenty twenty eight swap rights with the Dallas
Mavericks for that first round pick, which could be quite interesting.
Speaker 5 (24:27):
I guess not really as much with Cooper flag anymore.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
But twenty twenty nine, they have a Nuggets pick, they
have their own pick, they have all their own picks.
They have swap rights with Orlando or New Orleans in
twenty thirty one.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
This is not stopping anytime soon, to the point where
I actually think there's a chance that the owner, the
Thunder owner will get cheap at some point and let
them get rid of Jaylen Williams or Chet Holmgren or something,
because they have all these picks and assets coming in.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
Yeah, and like they've hit on all the little guys too,
as far as like the Cason Wallace's of the world.
But Isaiah Joe, I know they didn't draft obviously he
was here in Philadelphia, but a bunch of like the
the later guys, Jalen Williams number two provides high to
this team that, like, beyond just having the assets, they've
done a really nice job of the hit rate on
the guys that they've taken here. Thank goodness, they did
(25:13):
not end up with the seventh pick in this draft.
That would change our tune quite a bit for this
offseason from a Sixers perspective here, but it is truly unbelievable.
The treasure treasure chest of assets and this this is
the spot the Sixers should be in.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Man, it makes me so mad.
Speaker 7 (25:26):
The Samhnky vision never came together because sam Pressy is executed.
I get he got a head start having the Paul
George trade is sort of triggered, but it's maddening to me.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Yeah, he had all favors on the roster, yam Evan
Turner and drew out a Lavoy Allen and Drew Holliday
and uh and who else Spencer has, Yeah, not a lot,
like I just the cupboard was so bare and pressed
the Yeah, he's had multiple eras of it too, like
(25:57):
multiple eras of good teams.
Speaker 5 (25:59):
Sam Hnky.
Speaker 6 (26:00):
Something that I want to make clear, And I was
talking about this yesterday. Sam Hinky the last time he
was GM of the Sixers, Donald Trump wasn't the Republican
candidate for president in twenty sixteen. Yet, like not to
make the show political, Like think about how long Donald
Trump the presidential.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
Figure has been in our life.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
It feels like at this point that's how long it's
been since Sam Hanky was gone.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Like he was here so briefly. It was such a
brief period of time.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
He got Yeah, and then we spent the next the
last nine years wasting that head start he gave us.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
I feel like, so it's very frustrating, very very very
very frustrating.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
Blamangelos, Blame the Colangelos. That's where all this fell apart.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
And the NBA.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Dave Silver, Adam Silver as they call him on right
to Ricky Sanchez, Dave Silver. But we got some Philly
stuff coming up later in the second hour, by the way,
never teased that any point. Got some fun stats to
go down, But let's stay with the basketball.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Let's talk.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
I asked you earlier this week to do a.
Speaker 6 (27:03):
Fun little pie chart segment here on ranking potential stars
outside of Cooper Flag in the draft and giving them
a percentage chance to be the best player in the
draft besides the Flag. Maybe I should have taken Harper
out to make it more sixer based, but let's.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
Let's keep it with the way that I did it.
Let's go with our first guy.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
Who do you think has the best chance in the
NBA Draft besides Cooper Flag to become a star?
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Yeah, mine is Dylan Harper, which I think we're going
to disagree with right off the bat. Here as far
as the pie chart percentage. I threw him at thirty
percent for it. It's not like I think he's a
for sure, guaranteed lock here, but I do think thirty
percent is fair for him. I do think he's like
the clear cut number two in this draft, and the
Spurs will select him at that spot. Here, you can
throw a lot of the same I guess defense mechanisms
that we've thrown in front of Ace Bailey.
Speaker 5 (27:51):
Here.
Speaker 7 (27:51):
On Dylan Harper, he had a little bit more control
because he was the guy, you know, running the offense
and that kind of perspective, so you can critique him
a little bit heavier in that same direction. Here, there
is a maturity in the way that he plays basketball
and carries himself that I really trust is a decision
maker within an offense. Here, the numbers got a pop.
He's got to become a better shooter. But these are
all things that I think will naturally happen at the
NBA level, and I do think he's walking to him
(28:12):
into a pretty good spot in San Antonio, assuming that's
how it plays out.
Speaker 6 (28:16):
We had an argument on text because you said he
was going to be for sure an All Star, and
I just argued with the semantics of it, and my
argument to that and kind of why I'm a little
lower on Harper. I have him at twenty percent and
tied for second in terms of having the chance to
be the best player. It is just because there are
so many good guards in the NBA, and it's why
(28:40):
I'm always harsher on grading guards and more forgiving on
grading wings. And I think people forget that a lot
of the time. I'm not saying you do this, I'm
saying in general, I think a lot of people when
they compare players and try to stack big boards and
they just don't take into consideration the dearth of small
four words or wings whatever you want to call them
(29:02):
in comparison to guard.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Yeah, and the tenth.
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Best wing is just so much worse than the tenth
best guard.
Speaker 5 (29:10):
And yeah, I.
Speaker 6 (29:12):
Don't really even care about I guess I didn't even
care as much about the All Star part of it
as much as like the what an All Star means
of how highly they have to rank as a guard.
And that's why I'm always in general lower on the
guards I go. I feel like that go at the
top of the draft, I did like jaw.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
In twenty nineteen. But even he I'd say, like, I
think he's probably underwhelmed at this.
Speaker 8 (29:40):
Point, certainly two years.
Speaker 6 (29:43):
I don't know if it's fair the jaw thing. I
don't know if it's fair to say he's underwhelmed. He's
not a bust in any way what I'm saying.
Speaker 7 (29:49):
But he's fallen off the trajectory he was on. That's
certainly fair to.
Speaker 6 (29:53):
Say how many guards are better than him at this point,
because I think it's a lot I was.
Speaker 8 (29:57):
I would probably say double digits for sure.
Speaker 6 (29:59):
Yeah, And that's just crazy to think about where we
were with him, and I think maybe even I could
say how high I was on him and maybe overrating
his upside has kind of sobered me on guards.
Speaker 5 (30:10):
A little bit.
Speaker 6 (30:11):
Yeah, But saying all that, my number one guy is
and I put him at twenty five percentage Trey Johnson
just who can become the best player of the draft,
and Trill and I have kind of debated this a
lot because he loves Trey Johnson, maybe even more than
I do. So I'm sixth overall on my big board,
(30:32):
so I don't have him third.
Speaker 5 (30:35):
He's not my preferred sixers pick.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
In fact, assuming it goes flag Harper, he would be
fourth available on my sixers big board, maybe third, but
at least fourth. And what I'm saying, though, is that
the upside is on another planet with.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
This guy in terms of the shot making.
Speaker 6 (30:56):
I just I watch him offensively, and I think, is
this guy Devin Booker with better shooting? Like he's a
better three point shooter than Booker. I think maybe you
could say Booker is a more a better ball handler
for sure, But I just there's the problem with why
(31:17):
I have him sixth instead of third, is because I think.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
The floor is really low.
Speaker 6 (31:22):
I think he could go to a team and flame
out of the league. And I also think he could
go to a team and he could be averaging thirty
a game in three years, just with how insane his
shot making is. And I don't think Texas was a
very good situation either. I think Rodney Terry is a
bad coach, and I Kevin Kyle.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
Newback Kevin Newback.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Kyle Newbeck came out and said that, you know, Trey Johnson,
he liked the more than as Bailey.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
His situation was just as bad as he's Bailey. It
was not Yeah, that's not close as bad as Rutgers.
But they made it. I mean, they made the tournament.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
They're a good team, but they weren't Texas respectable team. Yeah,
they had talent on the roster.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
I think Rodney Terry is a bit of a buffoon,
So I think, you know, you could say context and
maybe they let him cook too much and didn't kind
of force him to work within an offense enough and
kind of just let him go off and do his
And most of the time when he went off and
did his own he was doing doing pretty damn well
with it though, And that's kind of why maybe you
don't blame them for that, But I just see that
(32:25):
the upside is stupid high with Trey Johnson.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Trill thinks the floor is like a Molik Monk Malik
peastly type. Didn't type. Guy, I'm much lower on the floor,
which is.
Speaker 6 (32:38):
Why I'm well, I'm more nervous about the Sixers taking
a look at him.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
But what I will say is what.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
I will say, if the Sixers take Trey Johnson at three,
I will easily easily be able to sell myself on
it as just star hunting. We are star hunting in
the in the in the words of Brett Brown, because
I think that's what that would be. I think that
would just be like, oh my god, I don't know
if I've ever seen shot making like this at age eighteen.
(33:08):
Let's go take him and screw the rest and we'll
figure it out later.
Speaker 5 (33:12):
The defense is bad.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
I think people are actually underselling how bad the defense
is at times.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
What I will say, he's six six with six.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
To ten wingspan at guard, Like, could he give a
crap a little more potentially and fill out his body
a little bit? In NBA you know, strength and conditioning
room better and and just get to just get to
blow average, just be a below average defender with those traits.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
And I think the offense carries him the rest of
the way.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
But I think you're a little lower on Trey and
I actually would he be around sixth on your big
board or higher or lower.
Speaker 7 (33:50):
That you can talk to him. I can get in
on him as the six guy for sure. I think
there is like as far as the floor conversation, I
think his floor is like bawling out in China, Like
I think there's a world where this guy does not
stick in the NBA. I think that's like a real possibility,
and like for him, I agree, he very well could
be averaging thirty in a pretty quick race at a
pretty quick rate. Here, he also is going to be
(34:11):
bleeding thirty five on the other end here that I'm
really low on the defense here, I had him at
four percent of a four percent chance becoming the best.
Speaker 8 (34:17):
Player in this draft pick all right, in this draft class.
Speaker 7 (34:20):
It might be a little bit low there, But I
really have my doubts as like the fit perspective and
the other thing that was kind of bothersome to me
Atas Texas is it felt like like his best moments
were all kind of just Trey Johnson ball, Like I
don't fully see that, how does this fit into this
fit into a team construct winning basketball and that kind
of thing. So the talent is there, you don't break
Kevin Durant scoring records on accident by any means. I
(34:43):
do like the size, and if the Sixers do end
up taking them, like, I'll talk myself into it, But
I'm a Trey Johnson skeptic man. I think there's just
way too wide range of outcomes that he could end
up being.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I think even with the wide range in the skepticism,
I think four percent is just too low for how
crazy his shot make.
Speaker 5 (35:00):
How many names did you throw on the list? Uh?
Speaker 7 (35:02):
One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight nine? I
have nine names.
Speaker 6 (35:07):
I have six names, and I kind of feel like
I have too few.
Speaker 5 (35:12):
So I had a couple of guys who.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
Were like on the fringe of me putting on the list,
and I just didn't put on the list.
Speaker 5 (35:19):
But number two for me, or actually i'll throw to you,
number two for you.
Speaker 7 (35:24):
Number two for me is Ace Bailey, and I have
him at twenty six percent here. So the two Rutgers
Cats make it up fifty six percent of my pie
chart here. Pretty notable there. I mean, we've talked plenty
glowingly about Ace. The point that I'll just kind of
reinforce here is I'm gambling on the guy believing that
he's going to reach his heights here. I do believe
in him from a motor perspective. I think defensively, people
have undersold how impactful he could be, and I do
(35:47):
think that like the structure of what team that he
lands on is going to have a pretty direct impact
on what he becomes. But I believe that guy cares.
There is a skill set that I'm willing to work
with there and like the motor once again for all
the go watch the full That's what I would point
out to you. Watch how hard this kick competes. Because
if you have the frame, the skill set that he does,
and something in his gut kind of burning the way
(36:08):
that I feel that he does as a player, you
can sign me up for that guy ten times out
of ten.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:13):
I mean, I'm in the Trobrod discord now and Derek
Bodner's and there, and he was, you know, we were
having a conversation about how Ace's floor is much higher
than people think. Yes, and he chimed in, you know, no,
it's not. He has no processing speed, no playmaking ability.
I think sometimes the nerds are just saying things to
(36:33):
make them feel better about how much time they spend
watching tape in basketball, I'll be honest, like, I think
sometimes you need to just like go look at some
go look at some you know, actual highlights and stats
and not be oh, well, in this game, he was
really on isolation and he was playing against two defect.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I don't know, my rant's not even making sense. I
just think sometimes we are really really overrating passing as
a as a necessary skill for to be an NBA
player as a wing. When we have dozens of wings
who average a negative assist turn of a ratio, two
of which that are playing in the Eastern Conference Final
right now in OGM McHale who both had a negative
(37:15):
assist turn of a ratio in college Jalen Brown and
a negatives sist turn of a ratio in college. Jayson
Tatum at a negative asist turn of a ratio in college.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
All of those guys at much better situations than Ace Bailey.
Maybe you could say Jalen Brown not really a cal
not a great situation. They probably were a better situation
than what was going on in Rutgers this year. I'll
just be honest. Yeah, Ace Bally is twenty percent for me,
and I will say the ceilings.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
Not even really my argument with Ace.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's really like the median outcome, I think is much
higher than most people think, and I think the median
outcome is a.
Speaker 5 (37:58):
Really usable three and D player, like, oh, he doesn't
want to be a three and D guy.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
He was for the first twenty one games of the year.
If you look at it, the average five plus threes
per game thirty nine percent from three, shot fifty one
percent from the field one point one, steals one and
a half blocks per game. Like that's three and D, folks, Like,
I'm sorry to tell you, that's what three and D
looks like in college basketball translated to the NBA. So,
Ace Bailey, I'm still a full blown Ace sexual at
(38:23):
number three, but I have plenty of other guys that
I like on the board, and I'm at the point
right now I'll just I'll move on to my next guy,
who I have tied with Ace and with Dylan Harper.
I had to put where my two through four on
my big board is tied basically dead even, and it's
Ace Bailey at two, which has been the same the
(38:46):
whole way.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
I still have Dylan Harper at three, but I have VJ.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
Edgecomb at four, and I also have him at twenty
percent in terms of his outcome becoming his chance to
become the best player in this draft besides flag And
I said last week what a freaky athletic star ends.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Up looking like at age eighteen is what PJ. Edgecombe
looked like. I look at a guy that shot thirty
four percent from three with all of his athletic ability,
all of his traits, all of his defensive instincts already
at age eighteen.
Speaker 6 (39:15):
And I say, I don't think that's getting worse. I
think that's only gonna get better. This kid is gonna
work his butt off and you know, become a better shooter,
Like We've seen plenty of these guys do that shoot
averagely at AG team. And I believe in the jumper
and I believe in the form. I think VJ is
a rare, high floor, high ceiling guy. And maybe I'm
(39:37):
giving these guys at the top too much credit and
not including you know, tertiary guys who could you know,
break in like because we have seen guys like Giannis
or guys like SGA get drafted in the double digits
and become the best players of their drafts. Now, so
maybe I'm not giving that enough credit. But I'm giving
twenty percent of VJ.
Speaker 8 (39:57):
Yeah, I have him at seventeen.
Speaker 7 (39:58):
I'm I won't talk bad on VJ the way I
think if he comes, you know, pinning guys against each other,
arguing that way, the dude like checks just about every
box he should look for. If I am going to
critique him, I do wish the handle was tighter. That's
something that can definitely get improved. I probably don't see
a world where he's like a primary creator, a guy
who's you know, taking guys off the dribble too often,
but he doesn't really need to be.
Speaker 8 (40:19):
He might be, I mean, he'll attack close outs now for.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Himself, Yeah, I don't think it's going to be creating
for others with that.
Speaker 7 (40:25):
Yeah, And in transition, he's going to be a terror,
There's no doubt about that. I also think he's a
little bit in the category of like an athlete learning
to play basketball for stretches there, which you can argue
whether that's a positive or negative thing there. So like
we'll see how that ultimately shakes up. I put him
at seventeen percent. I do think that there is a
legitimate chance that we look back at this draft and
say VJ.
Speaker 8 (40:43):
Edge Come was the dude.
Speaker 7 (40:44):
He also from all reports if anyone will talk about
as about a stand up of a guy as he
will find out from the draft perspective, which I think
reinforces why you would want to believe in that guy
reaching his potential there.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
So I like VJ.
Speaker 7 (40:56):
I do think that he's kind of my consensus number
four on the board at this point that I still
have a slightly ahead of them, but I'm not splitting
hairs over that, so I'll kind of see it pretty
similar as you.
Speaker 5 (41:04):
I'm just saying I'm not a name test guy, basically.
Speaker 6 (41:09):
But Trey Johnson, Airiss, Ace Bailey, Fire, and VJ. Edgecombe
all passed with flying colors on the name test.
Speaker 5 (41:19):
You know who. I'm a little iffy on the name test.
Speaker 8 (41:22):
Who's that Dylan Harper is? Because the other Dylan Harper?
Speaker 6 (41:28):
I was in my head, I was like, am I
am I allowed to bring up the other Dylan Harper.
Speaker 7 (41:34):
The first time I brought him up like mid season
talking about Wreckers basketball, so I figured it's fair game.
Speaker 6 (41:39):
Yeah yeah, But now I don't think that's what it is.
I think it's just too bland. I guess it's and
I know Ron Harper, Yeah yeah, I get it. But
a name that I think passes the name the name
test to be a good player in the NBA. Maybe
not the best player in the draft, but I'm still
giving him a chance at ten percent is Mala Locke,
the center from Duke, And I think, you know, I'm
not saying he's going to be Joel. I really don't
(42:01):
think he's ever going to be like an offensive force
or shooter like Joel. But I do think there's a
chance he can be and a Rudy Gobert level defender
to a certain degree and a really just you know,
long term all NBA contending center, top five, top ten
center in the world, because again, I don't think there's
that many guys who.
Speaker 5 (42:21):
Have the upside he has on both sides of the floor.
Speaker 6 (42:25):
Because I do think he does have the upside and
to be become a I don't know what's his stat ceiling,
like could he be an eighteen and.
Speaker 5 (42:35):
Ten guy, Like I think it's really good defense.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Like I think absolutely. I think I'm a little bit
higher on mal Lock than you. Then I threw thirteen
percent as far as his chances of becoming the best
player in this draft. Here, I am buying into the
shooting touch man, Like he shot the free throws well,
he started expanding to the three point line as the
season progressed. I think there's more to him than just
kind of a rim running athletic, you know, catch lobs
and protect the rim kind of guy that I do
(42:59):
think that there's some touch there. He's still very raw
to basketball, which I think you're gonna have to live
with the growing pains a little bit. But the floor
is still pretty high as far as him doing the
basic basketball thing. So I have he's not perfect. He's
gonna be a little bit of a project. But I
do think there is a world where we fast forward
ten years from now and we're talking about this guy
is a legitimate All Star on almost a perennial basis.
Speaker 8 (43:17):
So I threw him at thirteen percent.
Speaker 5 (43:21):
I like that.
Speaker 6 (43:22):
There's a chance I'm a little I'm a little too
low on Mela Lock And maybe Trey should have honestly
just been tied with Asarpur and VJ and they all
should have had twenty percent.
Speaker 5 (43:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (43:31):
But my last guy, my sixth guy, is Casper Shakashuna
at five percent. I had to throw him in there
his abilities as being a tall guard and his passing.
Like the first twenty games of the year we had,
my buddy Pat Moran was like, is this guy lukatans
because he was shooting thirty five percent from three. He
was averaging like nineteen and eight and seven through the
(43:55):
first twenty ish game.
Speaker 5 (43:57):
I forget the exact amount of games. I have to
go back and pull it. I have it in my
notes somewhere, but he was he was just bawling out
and he was truly terrible.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
I think he shot like twelve percent from three in
the less something amount of games. But and now he's
three point percentages down to thirty one point eight percent.
Speaker 5 (44:14):
That's not going to do it as a guard in
terms of his shooting.
Speaker 6 (44:17):
But if he's a thirty four percent three point shooter,
I think that he's got tremendous upside. His question is
about his athleticism, for sure being at the next level.
But he's a really good rebounder for his size, which
I think you have to have be some level of
an athlete to do so. Obviously a next level passer
(44:37):
and a guy who doesn't turn doesn't.
Speaker 5 (44:41):
I think this is the guy who's going to be
able to kind of be a league guard and control
your offense. Athleticism in defense is the question, and the
shooting is the question. I kind of believe in the shot,
like I think he's got a good form. I kind
of buy the larger sample size of the year. His
tim three was also super super high.
Speaker 6 (45:02):
He probably just took way too many of them, which
I think tanked his numbers a little bit. But five percent.
I'm not saying I'm in love with him. I have
him eighth overall, but Casparis is my last guy.
Speaker 7 (45:13):
Yeah, did not crack my list at all. Here, I figure,
I mean, you put on my radar pretty early, so
shout out to you. And I did watch a decent
amount of the Illinois games. What concerns me more than
just the shooting slumps is there's a lot of stretches
where the dude just kind of disappears, where you don't
feel him out there, and he does kind of deffer
way too high of a rate. And for like the
thirty four percent argument, thirty four percent better not make
(45:34):
him the best player in this class because there's a
massive disappointment across the board. I think he's like a
legitimate NBA player. I think he'll stick around, but I
think he's probably closer to Ricky Rubio than Luka Doncic
if we're gonna throw him on that scale.
Speaker 5 (45:46):
Closer to Ricky Rubio.
Speaker 6 (45:48):
Yeah, I think he's way more of a shooter than
a guy like that.
Speaker 5 (45:51):
But yeah, I just mean like thirty four percent.
Speaker 6 (45:54):
If he's an average shooter in the NBA, then I
think that his pass ability in floor vision carries him
to a pretty high outcome.
Speaker 5 (46:04):
Probably not the best player in the draft. Yeah, I
think he probably has to shoot thirty seven to thirty
eight percent to be to be the best player in
the draft. From three?
Speaker 6 (46:13):
But who were did the four guys? I didn't I
didn't get on your list.
Speaker 7 (46:18):
So the number one guy I know you'll disappear or
disagree with. I've Jeremiah Fears at eight percent here. I'm
a believer, man, and this is going to be a
long term thing. That he's the youngest prospect in this draft.
I believe that he's still very you know, raw, and
that he's got a lot to clean up. But I
think if he lands at the right spot, he could
play through his mistakes for two three years. Then we're
all of a sudden revisiting this as he starts to
get onto that next contract. There is some legitimate juice
(46:40):
when he takes guys off the dribbles, and the efficiency's
got to be better. But he's got good size for
a guard. I do think he's another guy that we
can kind of critique the situation at Oklahoma that it
wasn't quite ideal for him, and there was a lot
of just Jeremiah fears go out there and make things happen.
I like him. I think at eight percent that is
worth the swing for me. Your pushback there.
Speaker 6 (46:58):
I think he got an amazing coach, is awesome. So
I don't really the situation thing for him. I think
I think that was because he's a ballhawk.
Speaker 5 (47:09):
I think he I think it was a little bit
and he actually having more assist than I thought.
Speaker 6 (47:13):
I don't I didn't watch him and think like, oh,
what a good passer.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
I guess like he's really he's really controlling the he
turned the ball over a good bit. But I yeah,
I just he's not a shooter at all.
Speaker 6 (47:28):
So if you're a small point guard who can't shoot,
I I'm out. I can't do the non shooting guards anymore.
I don't know at what that says about me. But
he's eighteenth on my board. I don't see it.
Speaker 7 (47:46):
I think he should be at least a lottery picked.
Is that what I would dig in on.
Speaker 5 (47:51):
I think go top eleven.
Speaker 6 (47:53):
Yeah, but yeah, I'm just lower on him than I
think most are. There's a guy me in the trailbrow
Dude Discord, who'd like really wants him for the Sixers
of three, and I get a lot.
Speaker 8 (48:03):
Of comments about him.
Speaker 7 (48:04):
There seems to be a lot of Jeremiah Furious believers
out there.
Speaker 6 (48:08):
I can't even fathom taking a twenty eight percent three
point shooter point guard at number three overall when you
have Tyres Baxy and Jared McCain on the roster. I would, actually,
I think be done.
Speaker 5 (48:20):
I think I'd be done. I think it would kill me.
Speaker 7 (48:22):
From the Sixers perspective, certainly not arguing that they should
draft him here. In fact, I will argue directly that
they should not. But I think, from like an NBA perspective, now.
Speaker 6 (48:29):
Eight percent is not insane. I think there's people who
would put him way higher than that. Yeah, so I'm
not saying you're crazy. There's obviously people who like him
a lot. I'm out on him, there's really I will
say in a draft where in the NBA draft you
can attest to this. A lot of the times I
feel like I'm like out on more players than I'm
in on her, at least like the same amount of guys.
It's not that way this year for me, Like I
(48:50):
feel like I kind of see the vision on almost
everybody who people are pushing. He's he's really the only
guy that i'd say I'm like fully out on. I'm
out on one more guy who I'm sure is one
of your last names, but I still have him seventh.
Speaker 5 (49:04):
We'll get to him.
Speaker 7 (49:05):
I'm sure I swear into the long shot section here,
I gave Derek Queen two percent.
Speaker 8 (49:10):
I'm pretty out on Queen overall.
Speaker 7 (49:12):
Another guy with who's always, as he's talked about, is
this brilliant passer or incredible playmaker. He's got a negative
assistant turnover ratio, and like kind of he's got this
like hunger for the home run passes, these wild passers,
which don't get me wrong, when you pull them off,
they look cool. But I don't really see like many
instincts as far as just the basic reads and the
stuff that he'll be called on to do at the
NBA level. And I kind of think he's a tweener
(49:33):
in the negative sense here that I don't know if
he's gonna be He's very functionally strong, but I don't
know if I like at the NBA level, see that
translating when you have to guard the Nikola Jokic and
guys like that. He also graded like just about last
place and like all the combine metrics for all the
athletic measurements. Again, that's not everything that the basketball playing
means more. But I just really have my skepticism for
(49:54):
him as an NBA fit. With that said, he is talented.
I felt like I couldn't completely leave him off.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (50:01):
I the more I've actually looked into him, I've gotten
more out on Queen.
Speaker 5 (50:04):
I think I have him down to thirteen.
Speaker 6 (50:06):
Now it's probably gonna be twelve because I think Jaxel's
going back to college. But I yeah, he apparently showed
up with the combine fat, overweight, two and out of shape.
Speaker 5 (50:16):
It's not not great stuff.
Speaker 7 (50:18):
Two to one percenters that I'll close with here to
hod Petti, Hod Peediford, your guy who I like, Yeah,
I gave him a one percent chance here. I don't
understand what the NBA doesn't see what this guy is like.
I think you can. He should be a lot to
be a late first round pick, at least to me,
Like I see the vision with him, and the critique's
going to be he didn't get a ton of minutes
on a deep Auburn team. There are a lot of
(50:39):
other colleges that if he went to, I think we
would be looked at as the star player. And when
he came in, he made things happen. There's a legitimate
pop to him. He's got athleticism. I like the hot Peedifhord,
and I think he's going to be drafted way later
than he should be.
Speaker 5 (50:52):
I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 6 (50:53):
I mean, you look at the for forty minutes, he
averaged twenty to five with only two point eight turnovers
per g, which is less than Casper's and fears like
some of the other point guards we've talked about, and
like just as many assists as those guys had per forty,
and he did so he would have taken eight point
eight freeze per game on a per forty basis. He
(51:14):
did it efficiently thirty six percent I have thirty six
point six percent didn't get to the line that much,
but eighty percent from the line.
Speaker 5 (51:21):
I love to hide Pediford.
Speaker 6 (51:23):
And it's a shame that he doesn't really make sense
for the six ers of thirty five. But if they yeah, yeah,
it doesn't even matter. About the fit, like, I'll just
take him at thirty five. He's there because I think
he'll probably be by far the best player available in
my opinion.
Speaker 5 (51:35):
I think I have him like fourteenth or fifteenth right now.
Speaker 6 (51:37):
I'd have to check love love to Hode Pettiford, someone
who I thought about. I thought about mentioning the AXL.
It's not even worth bringing up.
Speaker 5 (51:47):
Because I think he's going to go back to school
and also it's probably crazy to even bring him up
in that way. A couple guys who I love but
probably just don't have the upside maybe athleticism or size
or whatever you want to say to become the best
player draft. I have Jas richardson ninth. That's down from
fourth a couple months ago.
Speaker 8 (52:04):
By the way, it seems, I.
Speaker 6 (52:06):
Think he's got a floor around around where Orlando picks.
I think if he's there where Orlando picks in the
mid first round, will go there. I think it's sixteen.
Speaker 7 (52:14):
Yeah, I will say, and you know, mock drafts or whatever.
I saw a mock draft with him going thirty second today.
Speaker 5 (52:19):
Yeah, I think after the top, don't I guess my
top seven? You want to throw Fears in there, maybe
a couple other maybe yeah, probably like the top eight.
Speaker 6 (52:29):
I feel like it's all over the board for the
rest of the class. A guy who I think probably
has upside and a high floor in my opinion, but
not the upside to become the best player in the draft.
Speaker 5 (52:40):
For Sheer Fleming would be in that conversation.
Speaker 6 (52:42):
Really he's actually now I've bumped Flemming up to ten overall.
Wow for me, I really like Fleming. Carter Bryant is
a guy who I've kind of fallen in love with
a little bit. He's up to eleven overall for me.
Not a guy who probably can become the best player
in the class. Surprisingly, I have to go all the
way down to a guy I have at sixteen to go.
(53:03):
Meant mentioned the guy I want to mention, which is
Cedric Coward. Cedric Coward is a guy who I don't know.
I'm a little lower on him than some of the
names I just mentioned, because I think we've seen more
of for Sheer Fleming and we've seen more of Yaxell
and Carter Bryant, maybe not as much Carter Bryant, Will
Riley nee Clifford, Todd Pettiford, a couple of the guys
(53:23):
that I have in front of him.
Speaker 5 (53:25):
But why I think the upside is so high.
Speaker 6 (53:28):
You look at those six games that he played at
Washington State, and it's only six games, but he averaged
eighteen and seven with three point seven assists, one point
seven blocks, zero point eight steals per game. He did
it on fifty six percent from the field, forty percent
from three five threes a game. He got to the
line a lot. And it's not like we didn't see
(53:48):
him have really good numbers.
Speaker 5 (53:50):
He just did it at Eastern Washington did it at
a level the year before in twenty three twenty four.
Speaker 6 (53:55):
Averaged about sixteen and seven, a little lower assist in
defensive numbers there, but he did so while shooting fifty
six percent from the field and thirty eight percent from three.
Speaker 5 (54:06):
Just insane efficiency from what Cedric Coward has shown.
Speaker 6 (54:11):
I think there's a chance I'm a little too low
on Coward and then I'm gonna end up bumping him
all the way up to like eleven. To be honest,
I think that's probably where he'll end up for me.
I wish there was just a little more, a little
more tape and a little more evidence.
Speaker 5 (54:25):
You know, I'm taking my one.
Speaker 6 (54:28):
I'm taking one percent off of Trey Johnson to put
him at twenty four percent, to put Cedric Coward at
one percent.
Speaker 5 (54:34):
I like it.
Speaker 8 (54:35):
I won't lie.
Speaker 7 (54:35):
He's a guy that didn't pop on my radar until
the pre draft process, that I really didn't follow him
too closely at the collegiate level.
Speaker 8 (54:41):
A really cool story when you dive in into that.
Speaker 7 (54:43):
He started his collegiate career career I believe it was
D two, it might even have been Juco and then
kind of had to transferred his way up, balled out
at every level and clear the NBA teams are taking notice.
I mean, he's got a good frame, got real deal size,
shoots the ball well. I see the vision with Cedric Coward.
So he's not a guy that I've invested all in
into this point. He's still kind of piqued my curiosity
and I'm still sitting on where exactly he ranks in
(55:04):
this flow of players. But he will be a lot
to be a first round pick, and he is a
guy that I think is worth taking a chance on.
Speaker 8 (55:09):
So I don't hate that whatsoever.
Speaker 6 (55:12):
Let me just stamp a couple of my guys real quick,
here stamp. Everyone knows about Yaxl.
Speaker 5 (55:18):
He's probably going back to Michigan, and if he does,
Sean Bernard, I hate.
Speaker 6 (55:21):
I hate to say this because you know how I
feel about the Michigan Wolverines the nan Arbor. I will
be placing a large wager on Michigan to win the
title at whatever you know I can find, because I
think that guy's that good. I think he will be
a men amongst boys next year playing at age twenty
four in college basketball.
Speaker 5 (55:43):
I think he's special.
Speaker 6 (55:44):
Right now, How is this guy not getting a lottery
promise or at least the time. I think he needed
to be the twenty fourth pick to make more money
than he would make going back to Michigan, which, by
the way, Pat Moran, my.
Speaker 5 (55:57):
Buddy, had a big problem with.
Speaker 6 (55:59):
He's falling in love with the Actually, he's like, if
you make slightly less money, you can get the free
agency year sooner, if you believe in yourself at all.
I agree with him, Yaxell, get your people in touch
with my people.
Speaker 5 (56:11):
We'll get you to the NBA. Buddy, Well, we'll get
your picked high. But Yaxell he averaged eighteen eleven and
a half.
Speaker 6 (56:16):
And four with almost four combined steals and blocks only
two turnovers per game.
Speaker 5 (56:22):
Percent from the line.
Speaker 6 (56:24):
This is after the year before averaging fourteen and eleven
with similar blocks per game numbers, similar efficiency numbers. He's
the number one transfer in the portal. Remember how much
money he got at Michigan.
Speaker 5 (56:35):
I don't get it. Don't get how this guy is
not going to get drafted.
Speaker 7 (56:39):
Yeah, doesn't make any sense to me either that I
would if I was a team sitting in the mid
to late first round, I would absolutely give this guy
a promise. It doesn't make any sense to me why
he hasn't been. I was even making the argument when
it was the tournament against Maryland game that he was
the better prospect and contrasted Derek Queen there. I've kind
of softened on that take a little bit, but you know,
I can still make that case.
Speaker 8 (56:59):
So we'll see.
Speaker 5 (57:00):
He's high on my board.
Speaker 8 (57:01):
Yeah, I think that's completely fair. I like him a lot.
Speaker 7 (57:03):
He is going to be absolutely balling out a Michigan
next year if that's how plays.
Speaker 5 (57:07):
Out for Sheer Fleming six nine and a half seven
five wingspan seven to five wings span fifteen and eight
and a half one and a half assists, not.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
A dribbler or passer at all, gets the ball and
shoots that he immediately gets rid of it, but one
and a half blocks and one and a half steals
per game, Like this is a guy impacts a ton
of the game on defense. Shot fifty three percent from
the field, thirty nine percent from three.
Speaker 5 (57:34):
I'm all in.
Speaker 6 (57:35):
I think this guy's like a true four in a
way that we don't have in today's NBA at six
nine and a half. I think he's got some versatility
to guard down to wings, and I think he's got
some versatility to be small ball five at times. So really, really,
maybe more than any player in the draft have fallen
in love with Fleming in the draft process.
Speaker 7 (57:56):
He's got the Joel embiids, the Joel Embid stamp of
a approval as well. If you saw that Joelle pulling
up to watch him in person this year, a little
bit of a chat and hanging out after the fact.
So Joelle does not do that to just anyone, So
I thought that was worth pointing out. And yeah, I
absolutely see the vision with him as a player. A
little bit of Philly pride in the conversation as well,
So shout out with sheer Flemming.
Speaker 6 (58:15):
Seems like he's going to be a fringe lottery pick
either back end the lottery.
Speaker 5 (58:19):
Read a couple picks after it.
Speaker 6 (58:21):
Another guy who's probably in that mix is Will Riley,
and I could throw you a bunch of numbers.
Speaker 5 (58:28):
He averaged twenty six and a half and three and
a half.
Speaker 6 (58:30):
Shooting for forty forty three percent from the field thirty
three percent from three.
Speaker 5 (58:34):
Not that impressive.
Speaker 6 (58:36):
He only played twenty five minutes per game over the
full season, twenty one minutes per game over the first
twenty games. Over the last fifteen games, he played thirty
one minutes per game and averaged sixteen to five and
three on forty eight percent from the field thirty five
percent from three.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
I thought he really got better.
Speaker 6 (58:52):
And more comfortable as the season went along, and he
had a stretch there in the middle of the season
where a couple of the guys were out with injury,
and I thought he really stepped up up and kind
of took a bigger role in the offense than he
had been taking at that point. And I thought, I
think it's a good sign when a guy gets more
responsibility and more usage and his efficiency goes up, and
I think that that's just a sign of they were
(59:13):
giving him what he could handle at the time, and
he got better throughout the year. I think with Yaxel,
with Fleming, with with Pettiford, with a couple of these guys,
it's so numbers based for me of just like they
did this in this amount of games and while they really,
you know, have these amazing numbers or have these amazing
traits or size or whatever. Will Riley is my hooper,
(59:35):
like watch the watch the Games guy of the Year
this year. Like I think when you watch him on offense,
the way he moves with the ball where he shoots
it like looks like very much a rotational NBA wing
in today's NBA.
Speaker 7 (59:49):
Yeah, and you called the shot with this one that
this would be a guy in a pre draft riser
to an extent a midseason you were kind of on
Will Riley there, and he's I mean, he looks the
part that I do think, Like, I think the floor
is a little bit limited for the the ceiling is
a bit limited for him, but I think he's absolutely
going to be a rotation player in the NBA. And
you should be totally okay, with walking away with that
from most first round picks there.
Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
So yeah, it just showed it depends what he is
as a shooter, because he can show up at the
combine and shot the lights out. I think he was
the best shooter at the combine, at the at the drills,
and the.
Speaker 6 (01:00:21):
Shot is pretty Yeah, it's a it's a high release.
He's tall, he can shoot over people. But he shot
thirty five or shot thirty three percent from three in
college and even in the best stretch shot like thirty
five percent when.
Speaker 5 (01:00:34):
He started getting more minutes.
Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
So it's not like you have this long movie with
he's a three and D guy where the three is
a little bit more theoretical.
Speaker 5 (01:00:41):
Yeah, I just I buy it.
Speaker 6 (01:00:43):
I buy the theory this time, so I I'm buying
it on Will Riley. He's a guy who I just
when I see him play, I think that guy's going
to average fifteen a game on twenty five to thirty
minutes per game on a good team, as you know,
the fifth or sixth best player as an either starting winger,
sixth man, and I think that's pretty valuable in the
(01:01:05):
middle of the first round. Todd Pettiford, we already mentioned
I gave all the stats on him and the last guy,
and I'll kind of let you cook on him because
I know you're even probably higher on him than I am.
I'm curious we will do big boards officially at some
point here where. How high do you think you'd end
up on Nee Clifford?
Speaker 8 (01:01:25):
Nee Clifford, I do guy. Yeah, I do like him
quite a bit.
Speaker 7 (01:01:28):
I think he probably late late lottery, probably on the
maybe even a little beyond that is probably mid first round.
I guess it's to be a little bit more broad
stroke with it. I like him a lot. He's a
guy that I guess the argument against him is a
little bit like what is his exact NBA role or
what is his fit. He's a little bit of do
everything kind of guy. But I mean he competes. I
thought he was really impressive, and now that I'm running
(01:01:50):
the back of my head, I think that was the
guy I was arguing against Derek Queen with with Sam
Ostry because it was the Maryland game there. But yeah,
I like nee Clifford a lot. I would have him
pencil then as like a mid first round pick there.
I'm still kind of laying out my complete big board
I gotta get in the weeds and pencil out exactly
where those numbers are. But I think a team should
be totally comfortable walking away with him as a first
round pick.
Speaker 6 (01:02:11):
Just an insane rebounder as a guard, nine point six
rebounds a game.
Speaker 5 (01:02:15):
It's five. I don't know if that's something you should
really care about or take into consideration.
Speaker 6 (01:02:21):
But he also averaged He also averaged seven point six
the year before, so it's not like it was like
a one year thing. Yeah, his numbers are just crazy
and obviously older prospect at a lower level, not that
much of a lower level of the Mountain West's not
he's playing at the Eastern Washington like Cedjac Coward was.
(01:02:41):
But I think Nee Clifford right now, I have him
at sixteen or fifteen if you Axle.
Speaker 5 (01:02:47):
Leaves the draft.
Speaker 6 (01:02:48):
So he's definitely become one of my guys.
Speaker 5 (01:02:52):
I wouldn't say this guy's one of my guys.
Speaker 6 (01:02:54):
I'll just bring him up as a guy, probably not
for the sixers, but in the twenties. Chasliniar, I think
think he's going to be a second round pick. I
think he's a first rounder. I think he should go
in the first round. I think he will be an
NBA player. Any take on any take on Chas Lanier.
Speaker 7 (01:03:07):
Yeah, I would take a chance on him as well,
But I mean, he can shoot the absolute lights out,
so it's kind of worth a chance me. He's got
good size. I think he measured it at six foot
six there. He Yeah, think he's got good size on him,
good frame there. He kind of fit a little bit
of that Dalton connect role of stepping up for Tennessee
this season. I think Dalton there's probably more to him
as an overall basketball player, but Chaz can really shoot it, man,
(01:03:29):
So I do think he'll be an early second round pick,
and I honestly wouldn't mind if that was the selection
at thirty five there.
Speaker 6 (01:03:35):
Yeah, I mean it's I don't really want them to
take a guard, but he'll probably be better than the
player i'd want them to take at a different position
given what would be available, like Kalk Brenner.
Speaker 7 (01:03:44):
I've seen Brenner mocked them a ton, which I hate
that I would not be happy with.
Speaker 5 (01:03:49):
I like him. I have him like twenty one on
my big board. I just think he's a He is
a really really good defensive big who doesn't foul.
Speaker 6 (01:04:00):
It's actually he's like never found out of games, and
he was a really good rim protector. I think I
think people overrate the shots sometimes, but I buy in
on the rim protection and I think the rim protection
will make him an NBA backup center at the least
for sure.
Speaker 7 (01:04:15):
That's probably fair. And I guess that's all you're shooting
for in that spot there. But I guess like the
difference between Ryan Kalkbrenner and a guy you can get
on a veteran's minimum, I feel like is not that significant.
I guess we haven't had the greatest hit rate with
the Greg Munrose and the DeAndre Jordans, and you can
run through the roll decks that the Sixers have tried here.
Speaker 8 (01:04:32):
But you got a guy that.
Speaker 7 (01:04:32):
I do kind of like in a den Bona that
I don't think is like the backup center of the
future in the way that some people talk about him,
but an option to have there. So I would prefer
taking a chance on a guy that can bring a
little bit more preferably of the wing or you know,
something like that kind of category.
Speaker 8 (01:04:46):
So I just wouldn't love if Kulkbrenner is the decision
from the sixers perspective.
Speaker 5 (01:04:50):
That's fair. Let's say a break. And on the other side,
we got some we will do a little sports carousel action.
Speaker 6 (01:04:57):
We got some on some other sub So what I
have my picks obviously to give out. I want to
do a Phillies update. And they have not lost since
the last time we have been on the show.
Speaker 8 (01:05:06):
They tried last night.
Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Yeah, they tried last night, but they figured out a
way to win. That's all they cost. Eight straight wins here.
We're feeling good in Phillies. Lad best record in the
National League. It did. The Tigers still have a better
record than them in terms of the best record in
baseball thirty three and ninety Yeah, oh no, we are
the best record in baseball as of right now because
the Tigers.
Speaker 6 (01:05:27):
Because the Tigers lost to and arowd I knew they
lost last night. Tigers are a half game behind us
at thirty three and nineteen. We are thirty three and
eighteen best record in baseball for the second straight year.
At the end of May, hear so good stuff from
our Phills and we'll talk about it on the other side.
Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
Number one on your car radio preset hand the new
and improved Diehard Radio w D YES and WD two
seven three D Philadelphia. I is Fox Sports Radio The Gambler.
Speaker 5 (01:06:21):
Welcome back to the Tough Cover Radio Show.
Speaker 6 (01:06:26):
Shout out to Billy Joel, who anybody, if anybody didn't see,
really sad had to cancel all of his shows going forward.
Speaker 5 (01:06:35):
He has a brain disorder. He says he's not retiring.
He says he wants to rest of and get back,
and I guess there's some doctors out there. He said
that that's possible.
Speaker 6 (01:06:45):
But I'm very happy to say I've seen Billy Joel
four times in concert, twice in MSG, once at the
Link and once at Assistens Bank Park. Fantastic every time.
Nothing like him in MSG though the two times with
Solomon MSG. It's like he owned that stadium in a
(01:07:06):
way that that doesn't.
Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Really exist for artists. I did it every month there
for I don't even know how long.
Speaker 6 (01:07:13):
Years and years and years and really just an absolute legend.
Speaker 5 (01:07:17):
And shout out to Billy Joel.
Speaker 6 (01:07:19):
Yeah, all I have had to had to lead off
with any Billy Joel thoughts from you, Schannard.
Speaker 8 (01:07:23):
Both my parents big time Billy Joel people.
Speaker 7 (01:07:25):
So that has been something that has been played in
my house growing up, played a bit quite a bit, so.
Speaker 8 (01:07:30):
They're very familiar with Billy Joel.
Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
Won't act like I'm the number one like that pops
on my ROLLODECKX too awfully often, but tap into it
for the intro music for these shows quite a bit.
Speaker 5 (01:07:40):
Got innocent man up there.
Speaker 6 (01:07:42):
We got fifty second Street right here, and of course
be doing that caused a fall of all the other
albums and stuff behind me, but we'll figure that out later.
I had to give a shout out to Billy Joel.
Speaker 5 (01:07:53):
Culture at the end of the show is gonna be
a bit of a culture corner here, Little Billy Joel
talk a little around the horn talk, but let's shift
it over and talk about my favorite plays forts And
I think I just tweeted it out. If I did,
my phone's dead and I'll tweet it out later.
Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
But my picks for tonight at seven time, we've got
the Tampa bay Rays. I took them minus one ten
against the Toronto Blue Jays. Not a team I bet
on a lot Tampa. I feel like I haven't bet
on a lot of Tampa or Toronto games in general.
Speaker 5 (01:08:22):
This year.
Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Shane Baz has not been very Steady seems like he's
kind of been very hit or miss, but Jose Berrios
Tampa's roster has.
Speaker 5 (01:08:32):
Really hit really well in terms of BVP numbers.
Speaker 6 (01:08:34):
So give me Tampa minus one time on the money
line at home in their rinky denk minor League stadium,
as we have a car alarm going off somewhere in
my apartment complex which is going to distract me for
the next twenty minutes. But we also have my best
bet at the night on the Diamond at seven fifteen.
I believe I don't have the schedule right in front
(01:08:55):
of me, but the Dodgers money line against the Mets.
Speaker 5 (01:08:58):
And you know my rules, Sean Bernard.
Speaker 6 (01:09:00):
If the Dodgers money line is plus money, it will
be my best bet on the night. I think it's
very stupid for the Dodgers to be plus money. I
get that the Mets are only two games worse than them.
I think the Dodgers are more than two games better
than the Mets, and the difference between Tony Gonsolin to
David Peterson is not nearly big enough for me to
(01:09:21):
say that the Dodgers should be favored. So I have
the Raiser a one unit play the Thunder which I'm
gonna give out in second at eight thirty thunder run
is doing after two unit play. The Dodgers are twice
as big as any other bet I have tonight either
at or four unit play. Love the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
I'm a Tony gonslim guy, so this is a big
big spot for me here. Any take on any of
those those three.
Speaker 7 (01:09:43):
Yeah, I have nothing that I would I guess support
or fight against this one here the Dodgers love. I
do think you're pretty spot on with like Vegas not
quite getting the respect that they probably should command here,
and the Mets in sort of that same category. So
I like striking while the iron's hot with it it. Also,
I'll just say it does suck that on a more
day weekend we're wait until it for a ten pm
Philly start.
Speaker 6 (01:10:02):
I know, it's brutal hang out with a buddy tonight
and it's like, oh, we we got to wait until
eight thirty for the NBA game and ten o'clock for
the Phillies game. It would be nice if the NBA
game is like seven or seven thirty and that way
you have the full NBA game right into the Phillies game,
which is awesome, but no, it's gonna be a ton.
Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Of overlap there, so that that absolutely stinks. But here
we are, I mean yeah, And it's also like I
feel like some people would look at the Dodgers starting
to be like, whoa, they're not even the best record
in the league.
Speaker 6 (01:10:32):
They're disappointing. I mean, they're on pace to win. Like,
let's do some quick math here, They're on pace to
win over one hundred games. So like, I think that
that's a pretty good pace. So I think the Dodgers
are not, if not disappointing there there, they'll be just
fine and win, you know, one hundred and ten games.
They'll probably win more than they're on pace four as
(01:10:53):
of right now.
Speaker 5 (01:10:53):
If I had to guess.
Speaker 6 (01:10:55):
At ten of five my last bet of the night,
only four bets today got Phillies minus one and a half.
At the Athols, Vegas a's, the Sacramento A's, I guess
just the A's right now.
Speaker 8 (01:11:04):
Yeah, they're going by just the athletics across the board.
Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
It looks like brutal, brutal, brutal stuff. Are they have
they announced if they're definitely keeping a's in Vegas or
is there any I I don't know if that's a
What do you think should they keep should they be
the Vegas A's, or should they completely rebrand.
Speaker 7 (01:11:23):
I don't think it'd be the worst. I need a rebrand,
to be honest. I feel like like I think they
should go rebrand. I don't have any name off the
cuff right here. I think the athletics it's would kind
of be doing them right to let that exist in
in memory in Oakland there to kind of keep that
with the fan base a little bit there.
Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
So yeah, i'd be open to them rebranding. I would
lean that direction.
Speaker 5 (01:11:43):
It's a shame the.
Speaker 6 (01:11:44):
Vegas Aces is great WNBA name already, so it doesn't
work as well works for.
Speaker 5 (01:11:49):
Very ball and gambling.
Speaker 4 (01:11:52):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:11:52):
But yeah, I know they're very, very good w NBA
team shot out Mark Davis. But those are the four
picks for the night?
Speaker 6 (01:11:56):
Do you have you You might have said it earlier. Do
you have a pick in tonight's thunder game?
Speaker 7 (01:12:00):
The under is my favorite playing it to eighteen and
a half here. I think this is going to be
an old school battle where Minnesota tries to match them
defensively here too. I don't have the guts to pull
it on Minnesota getting the win here because Oklahoma City
has just looked that convincing here. And I know you'll
laugh at this take here, but I'll also throw in
the Dallas Wings plus seven and a half against the
Atlanta Dream tonight. I think the plus two to thirty
(01:12:22):
monthing line is worth a sprinkle as well.
Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
Wait a second time out, the Pacers are only minus
two tomorrow night.
Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
No, that was for tonight tonight, the no, no, no,
I know, I was.
Speaker 5 (01:12:35):
Oh. Also I'm looking at tomorrow night for game three.
Speaker 7 (01:12:38):
Yeah, you're currently Wow. I'll add the Pacers to that
list here. I think they smell blood in the water.
They're going to have the home crowd. It's going to
be rowdy in there. I do think that there is
a real world where this is a sweep. In fact,
lean that being the most likely outcome at this point
in the game.
Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
Yeah, I totally totally agree. Let me let's suckle pills.
I mentioned them there, minus one and a half. They're
my best bet of the night.
Speaker 6 (01:13:04):
They have not lost since Wednesday, May fourteenth, eight eight
straight wins and a fun fact about this little stretch here.
Philly started the season eight and three.
Speaker 5 (01:13:15):
Then they had a five and ten stretch, culminating in
a five game losing streak to bring them to five
hundred at thirteen and thirteen on April twenty fifth. Since
that day they are twenty and five. Trey is hitting.
I'll actually say that I'll throw it to you before
I get to all the SATs, not just Trey. There's
a lot of people on here.
Speaker 6 (01:13:36):
Since I guess, whatever stretch you want to say, the
last twenty five games, the last eight games.
Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
What has really stood out to you about what.
Speaker 6 (01:13:44):
Feels different right now about the Phillies team as opposed
to kind of that middle Mollase stretch of the season.
Speaker 7 (01:13:50):
I think in the broader stroke for how they looked
is obviously them generating runs without home runs this season
has been probably the biggest storyline with this Phillies team
and kind of a more specific and recency base. I'll
say the bullpen has still impressed me, even following the
Alvarado suspension here, and I think that should be looked
at as a huge positive last as a huge positive
moving forward that obviously the bullpen was a huge factor
(01:14:11):
in why they underwhelmed the playoffs last year. The Bat's
still the biggest story with that, and that kind of
plays into the conversation for the manufacturing runs in little
small ball ways. Whether it is a Bryce Harper bluepit
over the third basement that drives it a run, Johan
ROAs floating one over the second basement, they're finding ways
to score without needing to fully rely on the power. Now, granted,
they still need to rake a little bit more than
has been the case there, but I will give a
(01:14:32):
little bit more love to the bullpen once again for
even following the Alvarado suspension.
Speaker 8 (01:14:36):
Think it's look pretty solid back there.
Speaker 6 (01:14:38):
Yeah, and everybody's talking about, you know that they need
to go out and they need to add a bullpen piece.
And I've got two takes on this. The one I
know I've given here plenty of times. The other I
don't know if I have one. Ranger and Painter are
probably going to be on the bullpen. You look at
how obviously you look at Wheeler, Lozardo, Sanchez and Nola,
(01:14:59):
and I get people are gonna say, oh, well, Fanilla
in the bullpen. Well he's got like two hundred million
dollars due to him still, so I don't think that's going.
Speaker 8 (01:15:05):
To be an option is filthy by the way.
Speaker 5 (01:15:09):
Lazarda's number two start. Lazard is a number two starter
with a bullet It's not even close.
Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
He's unbelievable. Like I was.
Speaker 7 (01:15:15):
I had kind of known who he was, but wasn't
like all in on this guy. He's been everything we
could hope for him more to this point, he's been
one of the best pictures in baseball so far as.
Speaker 5 (01:15:23):
He's a sight young right now, I think, like, I
don't know if that's true. I'd have to look at it, but.
Speaker 6 (01:15:27):
Just in terms of, like, right now, the best picture
in the NL, like, I can't imagine he's been. I
think he's got the best era at least, so I'm
gonna look at that after after this though. Uh but yeah,
I I this stretch of time, it just feels like
all the bats are going right at the same time.
Speaker 5 (01:15:44):
And when you combine that with the.
Speaker 6 (01:15:46):
Best rotation in baseball, all the bullpen has to do
is just not blow it. And I don't think that
the bullpen is going to prevent us from doing anything
this team wants to do. In the regular season. I
think they will make the playoffs. I even think they
will make the they will.
Speaker 5 (01:16:01):
Win the division.
Speaker 6 (01:16:02):
I don't think the bullpen will prevent them from winning
the division, But what I will say is I do
think the lack of power and the lack of a
third power bat could prevent us from getting where we
want to go in the playoffs. So to me, I'm
still absolutely very much wanting more so to go out
there and spend assets on a bat than I am
(01:16:23):
on a reliever.
Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
Is that fair?
Speaker 8 (01:16:24):
Yeah, I think that's fair.
Speaker 7 (01:16:25):
I don't think it's a mutually exclusive conversation personally that
I think you can do both, and I still would
prefer like adding an orm if they can. To this point,
shout out to Tanner Banks for shutting the door last night,
but I don't know if I really want to count
on him. Is like your secondary high leverage left the
arm behind Matt Stohn there, And for Jordan Romano, who's
had a pretty impressive kind of return here, last night
(01:16:45):
was the first time in a while where it was
very clear that like he didn't have it now to
defend him a little bit, like he's a guy that
will gut it out and he tries, and we saw
that last night that he'd still manufactured two outs while
very clearly not having it out there, and one of
the things that I appreciate a little bit. It took
me three pitches to realize, Okay, this guy does not
have it today, and to Rob Thompson's credit, like he
adjusted and got him out of there before it cost
(01:17:06):
them the game. So like, where it really where I
really saw it is for Starter as he went down
two to zero in the opening count, and then on
on that second one, it was kind of one of
those like rub up the ball like that wasn't where
I wanted it, and then he rears back for a
fastball in that third pitch comes in at ninety two
miles per hour, and that's when in my head I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is not one of those days for Jordan Romano.
But with all that being said, like he's been very
good in the overall part, I'm not out on Romano
(01:17:29):
being a part of this bullpen. He just can't be
the clear cut get to the ninth inning and get
it to Jordan Romano the way I think in an
ideal world it could be.
Speaker 6 (01:17:37):
Yeah, I'm still pretty skeptical on Romano. He's our third
guy to me, very clearly outside of outside of Straman O'Ryan.
By the way, two nights in a row, Ryan comes
in to get one out with guys on two guys
on base and comes in and gets it without any
any any kind of fear at all.
Speaker 5 (01:17:56):
And I think there's been a lot of people who.
Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
Said, oh, well, he's really good when it doesn't matter,
and then when you bring him in in a.
Speaker 5 (01:18:03):
High leverage spot, he stinks.
Speaker 6 (01:18:05):
I think he's almost been exclusively used in high leverage spots.
Speaker 8 (01:18:10):
His whole career.
Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Really like his whole career, I agree with that, but
especially here as of lately, because he's had to be
because they haven't had a lot of depth in the
bullpend And here he is in May.
Speaker 5 (01:18:22):
He's got a one two nine ERA in nine appearances
in May.
Speaker 6 (01:18:25):
So I love Orian. I think I'm I'm gonna get
a jersey of Oryan Kirkring.
Speaker 5 (01:18:31):
I'm a full on kirk I'm a Kirkhead.
Speaker 6 (01:18:34):
So I need to defend my guy and shout out
to Matt Strom and Ruby Tomorrow for doing it.
Speaker 5 (01:18:42):
Under Devin Keney's tweet the other day, who I like
Devin Keaney and I'm friends with her her boyfriend Fink
but I will just say we did not need to
have an honest conversation about Ryan Kirkring, and if we do,
it's the opposite of what Devin Kainey thought it was
when she tweeted it out. My problem wasn't with Devin though.
My problem was with the comments on that post.
Speaker 6 (01:19:00):
Being the most just the dumbest, non baseball knowing comments
I've ever seen in my life. Under that, Ryan Kirkeran
needs respect. People need to respect the Ryan Kirkering. He's
better than better than the casuals. Think, yeah, one hundred
percent there.
Speaker 7 (01:19:17):
And I also like kind of don't even get where
people are coming from, Like there hasn't been these examples
of like him like absolutely blowing up or anything, like
he's been really good when you been.
Speaker 5 (01:19:26):
Great in the playoffs. He hasn't been great in the No,
nobody has. None of our bullpen pitchers has.
Speaker 7 (01:19:32):
Carlos Stevens was, Matt john wasn't. Yeah, you're right, like
it's all these guys like Ryan wasn't like a you know,
a sore spot in the bullpen.
Speaker 8 (01:19:40):
It was the entire unit.
Speaker 6 (01:19:42):
I love that, But yeah, the whole bullpen had their
problems last year and that's actually where thank bringing that up.
Speaker 5 (01:19:51):
That's actually where my second point was.
Speaker 6 (01:19:54):
Last year, going into the playoffs, I felt, I think
as good as you could possibly feel about a bullpen.
Jeff Hoffmann had been a top five reliever in baseball
last year. Matt Strom was a top ten reliever in
baseball last year. Ryan Kirkring was a top twenty reliever
in baseball last year.
Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
Carlos Estevez came in and was absolutely, you know, a
top fifty, top sixty reliever in baseball, legitimate high leverage arm.
Not to mention Jose Alvarado, who kind of put it
together late in the year and after a rough year,
I kind of got it.
Speaker 6 (01:20:27):
Going before the playoffs at the point where maybe you
could be like, oh, you know, as the fifth arm,
there's some upside there, and it all fell apart. Every
single one of them fell apart in the playoffs. From
a bullpen perspective.
Speaker 5 (01:20:41):
What that tells me, I think there's some luck in this.
Speaker 6 (01:20:45):
I think you can you can build your bullpen up
all you want, doesn't mean they're not going to blow up.
And you can go as cheap as you want on
the bullpen, and sometimes it's gonna work.
Speaker 5 (01:20:54):
Out. The Texas Rangers had the worst bullpen in baseball
in twenty twenty three. I think they won the twenty
twenty three World Series, right, Not twenty twenty sounds right, Yeah,
twenty twenty three because they beat Arizona, who beat us,
and they.
Speaker 6 (01:21:07):
Won the twenty three World Series and Eraaldus Chapman was
their closer at age thirty nine, and he had like
a resurgence in the playoffs after having a terrible regular season.
I think they they put one of their starters, maybe
Dane Dunning or they had a terrible bullpen, and they cobbled.
Speaker 5 (01:21:25):
They cobbled it together in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:21:27):
It didn't matter because their starters did really well and
they really hit the ball, and the bullpen kind of
was fine in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (01:21:34):
Might have cost them a game or two here or there.
But there's part of me that the more playoffs.
Speaker 6 (01:21:39):
I watch and the more random bullpen guys who stepped
up and you know, Andrew Bolatti, go look at what
he did in the twenty twenty two playoffs, a guy
who I loved in the regular season and was pretty
good in the regular season, always had good stuff, and
then in the twenty twenty two playoffs, he was dominant
like he became. I think we used them three straight
days in the World Series and he blew up in
one of those games. But he was really good for
(01:22:01):
the NLDS the NLCS, like the first couple games of
the World Series. You know what, you know what Andrew
Blotti is doing right now two years or I guess
three years later.
Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
I do not. Actually, he has a ten point eight
er in Tijuana in the Mexican Independent League, not great.
Three years ago he was taking down high lever Jennings
in the World Series.
Speaker 6 (01:22:20):
So I think that just goes to show how fast
guys lose it in the bullpen, and how razor thin
the margins are in the bullpen, and how random it
is to some degree, I think.
Speaker 7 (01:22:31):
Yeah, I think that's a very fair overall point, and
I'm totally with you that I felt like as good
as I possibly could about a Phillis bullpen, and in
fact argued very strongly about why this was a reason
I was more optimistic about them going into last year,
and obviously that did not translate in the postseason setting.
It's a different beast playoff baseball, and some guys rise
to that some guys fall, and I do think you
kind of got to roll the dice to an extent here.
(01:22:51):
I will still say for my well being here, I
would prefer to at least give me another arm to
have as a gamble piece of this.
Speaker 8 (01:22:57):
But the starting pitcher point is noteworthy as well.
Speaker 5 (01:23:00):
Here's what I'll say.
Speaker 6 (01:23:01):
I don't want to trade Able. I don't want to
trade Banner. I don't want to trade Miller. I don't
really want to trade Justin Crawford. I don't really want
to trade Eduardo Tayee. The cut the catcher prospect, it's
like eighteen.
Speaker 5 (01:23:17):
Yeah, people are talking about him like I something I'll say.
I always think it's almost like.
Speaker 6 (01:23:22):
Guard prospects in the NBA. It's a little different. It's
a different reason, but I always think catcher prospects get
way overvalued and way overrated because if any catcher can
hit at all, Yeah, I feel like I feel like
scouts are like, oh my god, this guy's gonna be
Buster Posey, Like even Buster Posey if you look at
his stats, Like I think his name recognition as being
like the best catcher for so long was better than
(01:23:45):
like he wasn't hitting like nine to fifty ops or like,
I don't know, it's a it's a weird conversation. I
always feel like catchers in general and fantasy and in
prospects rankings, I always.
Speaker 5 (01:23:54):
Feel like they get a little overrated. I think that
happens with JT at time to time.
Speaker 6 (01:23:57):
Yeah, when we talk about JT in comparison into like
non catchers, like hitters that are not.
Speaker 5 (01:24:02):
Catchers, I think sometimes it's like, no, he's just he's
a good catcher, as he's a good hitter as a catcher,
necessarily the elite, next level hitter as just a position player.
Speaker 8 (01:24:11):
But that's a whole.
Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
Another day.
Speaker 8 (01:24:14):
Mc gabel that you mentioned in there, what's your grand
game plan with them?
Speaker 5 (01:24:18):
I don't know. Like the able thing is crazy because
I would have said I was saying going into that game,
I think they were doing that as a show spot,
as a case for a trade. I really do.
Speaker 6 (01:24:31):
And I think that was better than any performance anybody's
ever seen him given them at any level.
Speaker 5 (01:24:36):
And the miners were in the majors. And it's not
just I get it was the Pirates. It's what it
looked like, like the break on the ball, this movement,
the velocity that he was getting oh to every count,
He wasn't falling behind in any count.
Speaker 6 (01:24:52):
It was one of the like my wife was watching
with me, and I kept trying to like explain how
insane what was happening to her was.
Speaker 5 (01:24:59):
This wasn't just like you know, watching Wheeler Lozardo do
what they do every outing.
Speaker 6 (01:25:04):
At this point, like what he was doing is just
not It's something I'm willing to give up on. Maybe
that's dumb, and maybe my opinion is you have to
give him more work, whether that is as a starter,
which feels like there's not a lot of endings there
for him to take down as a starter, or if
it means that electric stuff feels like it'd be pretty
nice as an you know, an injection out of the
(01:25:26):
bullpen for an ending or two every once in a while.
And I get that that takes him out of his routine,
but I think I think you have to find a
way to use them.
Speaker 7 (01:25:35):
Yeah, I haven't figured out what they can do with
it either. Like that was like a jaw dropping performance.
Legitimately one of the better debuts I've ever seen from
a guy, and I've seen like Phillies reporters talk about
like that is the best we've ever seen him pitch
on any level, and I think that's probably true. Like
the way that he did attack the zone and the
way he went about everything. It's a tough spot. Like
on the other side of things here, if there was
a showcase, boy did it work? Like you got exactly
(01:25:57):
what you hope for there. So I mean, all this
depends on who's on the table as the guy. The
fact that I don't see like a clear pathway to
him being like a foundational part of this Phillies team
or a guy that has a real role moving forward,
it would not shock me whatsoever. They did move him,
but that did change the way I thought about mcgabel
that performance.
Speaker 5 (01:26:15):
I think you can't move him this deadline unless I
don't know.
Speaker 7 (01:26:20):
But I like looking ahead, like looking ahead like painters obviously,
like the ace in the hand that the Phillies are
all in on. You already just invested a ton of
Nola Hayes's Lozardo you brought here for reasons.
Speaker 8 (01:26:30):
Zach Wheeler isn't going to a signng term.
Speaker 6 (01:26:32):
Yeah, Wheeler and Nola are both older though, Like even
though the Nola contract is five more years, the Wheeler contracts,
what three more years, two more years? I do think
you have to think about life after them. Yeah, And
I think that they've been more willing to go six
man rotation. I mean, look at the Dodgers. How many
(01:26:54):
starters the Dodgers have under under Sounder contract constantly at
this point. And I know that they have like and
of them that are on the injured list, but it
feels like they have eleven starters like and they just
cycle them in now based on who's injured.
Speaker 5 (01:27:06):
Might just be where we're at in.
Speaker 6 (01:27:08):
Baseball, and we've been spoiled here with just like pictures,
not really missing a lot of time due to injury.
It feels like I don't know what our magic sauce
is there. And we also like throw it harder than
most teams too, so it's really weird.
Speaker 5 (01:27:20):
But I think that it might be the move to
have six seven starters ready to go with how many
guys get hurt nowadays. So if it was a position
player being blocked.
Speaker 6 (01:27:34):
I think i'd have a I think i'd agree with you,
But with it being a picture, I just think there's
so many you're always you can't really have too many.
I don't think in the modern era, so it feels
like it right now. But that's my answer to like
they have to figure out a way to use someone
in the bullpen.
Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
Yeah, range, there's probably too good painter. I get the
routine conversation. If it's neither of them, I think it
has to be able, like find a way to use them.
Speaker 6 (01:27:58):
And my take on it is like if you're worried
about using him in the bullpen and ruining him and
ruining his routine and like YadA YadA YadA, if Abel
came up and struggled in the bullpen, like, I don't
think that would erase all the value that he built
by coming up and having an insane start.
Speaker 8 (01:28:16):
Yeah, I agree with that.
Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I think we would still have value in the offseason.
Speaker 8 (01:28:19):
Yeah, No, I totally agree with that there.
Speaker 7 (01:28:21):
And I think in general, like organizations are way too
stubborn with like the routine and the starter versus bullpen.
Speaker 8 (01:28:29):
Like, I get it.
Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
It's obviously very different in the situation that you're walking
in and you're a whole routine and all that, but
like still pitching, man, it's still going out there and
playing baseball. So I think, like the kid gloves conversation
is a little bit crazy to me. Even with Painter,
I don't understand the significant pushback, and I get like
they're viewing him as the potential ace of the future
and very much viewing it with the long term lens,
(01:28:49):
as they should. But like I think teams should be
a little bit more lenient in allowing guys to have
those kind of chances.
Speaker 6 (01:28:56):
And also there's got Honestly, there's part of me that's
looking at this era and I'm of two minds about it,
because I think this team has a real chance to
win the World Series, that they're on pace to win
one hundred and four hundred and three games, whatever it is,
all that stuff, But I also see the light at
the end of the tunnel a little bit with this
core and with the ages on the roster, and even
(01:29:19):
you know, obviously Pryce and Trey or here, whether you
know they're good or not in five seven years doesn't matter.
Speaker 5 (01:29:26):
Hey, we'll talk about Tray in a second. He's been fantastic.
But Kyle Schwerber another guy who I hope, you know,
I think I think will be I'm actually good. I'm
just not worried about it the way other people are.
I think he's going to be here, but he's another
he better, but I agree another guy very much.
Speaker 6 (01:29:42):
On the older side, Wheeler and Nola in their thirties.
Castiano is only here for another year after this one
in his thirties. You know, we have all these guys
coming up for contract soon with whether it's Bone Rangers
probably gone.
Speaker 5 (01:29:55):
Lozarto only has another year after this one. You're gonna
have to pay him, and I think they will.
Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
But there's all these things coming up, and all these
options and forks in the road that the Phillies are
going to have to be at pretty soon here, and
I'm starting to hit a point where I'm like, maybe
the way to extend this era and maybe the.
Speaker 5 (01:30:16):
Best chance at winning our World Series is not going
all in on one year.
Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
It's making sure that you're in it for the next
five to seven and you get all those bites at
the Apple, And I'm starting to think, you know, the
Dodgers are a hard team for me to use for
this comparison, because they are both things. They go all
in every single year and they spend every dollar that
you could possibly imagine, and you know a show, he's
going to make money until twenty seventy five. But I
(01:30:45):
I will say what you've seen from the Dodgers and
all those times where people call them playoff chokers, Guess
what now you can't do that because they've won two titles.
And maybe that's just if you're just in it for
eight straight years, you're probably gonna break through at least
one time, if not multiple times. So I'm getting to
a point now where I'm like, maybe the best way
to try to extend this era is see what painter,
(01:31:07):
Abel Miller, Crawford, run Escobar and Wardo Tai like. You
have all these guys, and I am starting to feel
better about the organization's ability to develop prospects, especially from
the pitching side of things.
Speaker 5 (01:31:23):
Maybe it's maybe it's time to not trade those guys,
which I know is probably not People are gonna love that.
Speaker 7 (01:31:28):
Yeah, it's interesting, like I think painting with a broad
stroke here. One of my frustrations with Dombraski is I
don't think that he's done enough at the deadline in
these past years with World Series teams that have a chance,
like teams that can win at all, and it's just
been like that's the reputation of Nebraski coming to Philadelphia,
is that say goodbye to the farm system. He's going
all in, he's gonna wheeling deal, he's gonna make trades,
(01:31:49):
and that has been true whatsoever across his time here,
So maybe.
Speaker 8 (01:31:52):
He has turned a new leaf in viewing things.
Speaker 7 (01:31:54):
I certainly see the argument that way, But I also
my fear is like you're kind of middle grounding things
that you never make. That that like you're using up
the best years of Bryce Harper, of Kyle Schwarber without
maximizing your chances of winning. So it's a tough balance
to walk. You obviously don't want to empty the clip
for no reason and then have a much darker future there.
So I don't know, I see the case, but I
(01:32:15):
still think like, when you have a chance to win
a World Series, you should still give yourself the ultimate
chance of going.
Speaker 8 (01:32:21):
For it, whatever that means by maximizing the Rodster.
Speaker 6 (01:32:24):
My take is like those top six prospects, and I
think those are the top six on like all the
all the lists.
Speaker 5 (01:32:30):
Maybe there's one I'm missing. I don't know.
Speaker 6 (01:32:33):
Pat moran' is the guy who keeps me up to
up to date on all his prospects stuff, and by
the way.
Speaker 5 (01:32:37):
He hated Abel until like a week ago, So he
might be a fraud. He might not. He might not
know ball.
Speaker 7 (01:32:42):
He said the short stop right, Uh, what's his name?
The shortstop third baseman Miller?
Speaker 6 (01:32:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, a painter, Abel Miller,
Tayee Crawford, Escobar, not in that order, just the top
of my head.
Speaker 5 (01:32:56):
Those are the six names that I think are.
Speaker 6 (01:32:58):
Abel's probably actually not a part of that because he fall.
He fell in a lot of the prospect rankings, but
some of his stuff are the last year. Yeah, he
was good this year leading into this, but I forget
when the prospect rankings get published every year. But I
those are the six names I wouldn't want to trade
unless we're talking Devers. We're talking you know, a legit
(01:33:25):
outfield guy, a legit bat, a legit.
Speaker 5 (01:33:28):
Power about to put into the lineup Reez.
Speaker 6 (01:33:30):
Hoskins is not really someone who I think would take
one of those top six names, probably, But we didn't
trade any of those names.
Speaker 5 (01:33:38):
For like, you know, David Robertson. We made a move
a couple of years ago.
Speaker 6 (01:33:42):
Estas we traded like one guy who was like our
fifth guy last year. We've made a couple moves over
like years where you trade your eighth and twelve best prospects,
and those are the moves I'd look into for an
arm or if you want to. If you do want to,
the only way I'm using one of those top end
blue chip prospects is on a legit blue chip that. No,
I wouldn't do it for Mason Miller, with Ryan Helsley
(01:34:04):
or whoever. The hot name of the week is from
a relief pitcher standpoint, because like I said earlier, I
think it.
Speaker 5 (01:34:12):
Goes like that. And that's not just for guys who
are quickly out of the league. It's also guys who
are quickly elite to just the guy.
Speaker 8 (01:34:20):
I do like Helsley quite a bit. I will say
I like both the.
Speaker 5 (01:34:23):
Names I said.
Speaker 6 (01:34:24):
I like Mason Miller, I like David Bednar, I like
Ryan Helsley, I like Felix Bautista, I like whoever you
want to throw at me.
Speaker 5 (01:34:31):
It's just I don't want to spend on a closer
where I'm at.
Speaker 8 (01:34:34):
Yeah, no, I feel you on that.
Speaker 7 (01:34:36):
It is interesting, I will say, like they're in a
much better spot than I expected from a prospect standpoint,
and kind of the options that they do have on
the table here. So the future is a lot brighter
for the Phillies. And I kind of realized heading into
the season.
Speaker 5 (01:34:48):
Yeah, I mean, and you look at Edwin Diaz. It's
like Evan Diaz has had years where he had a
long stretch last year where he was pretty unpitchable.
Speaker 6 (01:34:58):
In twenty nineteen is for year with the Mets, he
had a five to five nine year. He followed that
up with a one seven five up to a three
four to one, down to a one three five. Like
He's been up and down in terms of being.
Speaker 5 (01:35:10):
Elite to just a guy too bad to elite, to
just a guy to elite to two.
Speaker 6 (01:35:14):
Point seven now, Like I just think it can bounce
around Emmanuel Classe. Yeah, is he He's currently not the
Cleveland closer.
Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure they had to take
him out of the role.
Speaker 7 (01:35:25):
And he fell a part of the postseason last year
after being disgusting the entire season.
Speaker 5 (01:35:29):
Oh, having one of the best, one of the best.
Speaker 6 (01:35:33):
He had an zero point six to one last year
in seventy four appearance. I've never seen anything like that. Yeah,
in following baseball that is in insane number and he's
always been a guy and Pat Moran getting a lot
of a lot of shouts out on the show, not
a like crazy strikeout guy when you're talking about an
elite closer, Like if you just look at a closer,
he usually has more strikeouts than Ennings pitched. If they
(01:35:55):
are like a nasty closer class is not a more
strikeouts than the Enning pitched guys, an under nine K
nine guy in a nerdy.
Speaker 5 (01:36:01):
Way to say that.
Speaker 6 (01:36:03):
And so I've always been skeptical of him, and Pat
Moran's always hated classe. So when he's melted down this year,
Pat has taken several victory laps on his on his behalf.
Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
But a couple Philly's stats I want to throw out there.
Speaker 6 (01:36:19):
Trey Is hitting three seventy one with a nine to
thirty seven OPS over his last twenty five games. Over
the last thirty four games, Alec Boom hitting three twenty
five with an eight thirty eight OPS plus. That's three
thirty within eight to fifty ops plus in the twenty
and five streak. Over the last twenty five games, Bryce
hitting three forty eight with a nine to ninety nine
OPS in his last eighteen games and I think it's
(01:36:40):
around the time he shaved his head probably, I think
a little shorter stretch than that. But anyway, last thing,
last thing, certainly not least Around the Horn YEP had
its last episode this week, And I'll ask you first
before I launch into my my rant. Any connection to
Around the Horn for you? Is that a show you
(01:37:01):
grew up on and you know, rushed home to wash
like I did?
Speaker 5 (01:37:04):
Oh?
Speaker 8 (01:37:04):
Yeah, very much?
Speaker 7 (01:37:04):
So that Around the Horn part of the interruption that
was my get home from school, flipping on right away
and my kind of escape from the world here. So
that's certainly I know you kind of referenced earlier, but
something that took me on the pathway to where I'm
at right now that I thought Tony really running the show.
If they're a guy who even to this day when
you think about like a guy in the media world,
that would just be one of like the most down
(01:37:25):
to earth guys to like hang out with. Tony really
right at the top of that list there, so certainly disappointing.
A ton of awesome names that have come through that show,
a ton of awesome journalists that have been highlighted for
their work, and seeing that kind of platform, so it
definitely hits home that kind of thing and cool that
you feel the same way with all that.
Speaker 6 (01:37:41):
Yeah, I absolutely grew up on Around the Horn and
I absolutely would not be here without that show.
Speaker 5 (01:37:49):
And I there's no secret that I get in the
mud and I like to debate and I like.
Speaker 6 (01:37:57):
To argue, and sometimes that causes riffs between you know,
people in the Gambler, people in discord chats. Well, whatever
you want to say, I wouldn't say I'm like the
easiest person to deal with. Necessarily, I'm easy to get
an argument with. I can't bite my tongue when I
disagree with something.
Speaker 5 (01:38:16):
But something I love is getting on air and debating
a topic, and especially when it stays civil and it
stays above the board.
Speaker 6 (01:38:23):
And I think I think about a lot when I
have a passionate opinion, how I'm going to defend that
topic and how I'm going to debate in ways I
can frame that in different ways to look at that.
And I sign a lot of that to you know,
guys like Bill Simmons, guys like Colin Cowhard, guys like
Ryan Roussillo, and guys that I grew up you know,
listening to their radio shows. But I also, maybe more
(01:38:46):
than anything, assign it to around the horn and you know,
having a topic come up and four guys had to
talk about it, even if it was a topic where
all four people were relatively saying the same thing, they
had to all find their own way to say it
and find their own been on it, and find their
own way to give a take on it without just
repeating the news basically.
Speaker 5 (01:39:05):
And I thought that that the way that they did it.
Speaker 6 (01:39:07):
And they had journalists from all over the country with
different diverse backgrounds and different cities that they came from,
and different you know, opinions that they believed in, different
sports that they specialized in, And.
Speaker 5 (01:39:18):
I thought it was just you know what all sports
like talks talk shows should be.
Speaker 6 (01:39:24):
Yeah, And I think in an era where ESPN has
embraced debate for lack of a better word or term,
and that has been we want our entire airwaves to
be people yelling at each other and debating Jordan and
MJ or Jordan and MJ Jordan and Lebron or debating
whatever dumb topic we have about the WNBA today or
(01:39:46):
whatever dumb topic that's designed to get people angry on
social media. It really I think says a lot that
the show that came before all of that, that was
the Pardon to take the term for Rico Boss about
healthy debate and about finding a way to debate your
topic and you know, kind of verbally jousting with you know,
(01:40:08):
fellow journalists who are just as intelligent as you were.
I think it says a lot about ESPN, It says
a lot about media literatory in today's world, and it
says a lot about the sports media landscape that that
show couldn't fit into a channel that is trying to
be about debate, and I think it's pathetic on ESPN's
part to get rid of it. And I think sports
(01:40:28):
fans are dumber today than they were twenty years ago,
and I think that's only going to be that's only
going to continue with the lack of shows like an
Around the Horn and one last thing or I guess
one lesson to wrap this up, and ESPN and Tim
Kalishaw put a great point on this on yesterday's show
about ESPN's need to hire every athlete that retires and
(01:40:52):
need to give them millions and millions of dollars at
despite every journalist and every broadcaster that's out there. I
don't have really a single player that I can think
of that made me want to do this, made me
want to do a radio show, made me want a podcast,
maybe want to give my opinion and saying and do
a microphone and hope people listen to it. People that did,
(01:41:13):
And just reading down the top of the Apple podcast chart,
I think should be telling d ESPN part of my take.
Bill Simmons, Matt Jones, Dan Levitard, Zach Lowe, Pablo Torri,
Ryan Roussillo. Just for instance, those are seven of the
top eight podcasts on the chart. And obviously there are
(01:41:36):
some athletes on here as well. You get Dan Patrick,
you get PTI, you get Colin Cowherd, you get Brian Wintwurst,
you get Tim McMahon and Tim bon Temps on that
show as well. I think all of those people have
provided far more insight and value to the way that
I enjoy sports and I think about sports when they're
not on my television in front of me than any
(01:41:58):
former athlete such as Shit and Sharp.
Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Or Pat McAfee has.
Speaker 6 (01:42:02):
And they are the people who make me want to
do this, and you know, hopefully one day be like
them and become one of them and put my own
spin on what they do.
Speaker 5 (01:42:13):
So I don't feel like I talk about stuff like
that all that often.
Speaker 6 (01:42:17):
Really, I don't even know if I've really put into
words how I feel.
Speaker 5 (01:42:20):
About it properly, even on this show.
Speaker 6 (01:42:22):
And I don't know why this is affecting me the
way that it is, but it really really upsets me,
and when I haven't really even been able to like
collect my thoughts and put my thoughts on.
Speaker 5 (01:42:32):
It, and I know that's stupid.
Speaker 6 (01:42:33):
I'm not saying I've watched it every day for the
last ten years, but it's something I watched every day
as a kid. And I'm really sad that the kids
growing up today that love sports the way I did
when I was a kid won't have that as a
vehicle for healthy kind of sports topics and healthy sports debate.
And I think it's that sports world's dumber today than
it was for the last twenty years.
Speaker 7 (01:42:53):
Yeah, I think you nailed all of that and very
well said, and you're absolutely right about kind of the
changing landscape and everything that comes with it, So I
can leave it at that. I think you kind of
crush the analysis of all of it and well said
and well done and hopefully better days ahead.
Speaker 5 (01:43:06):
Hopefully so. And I actually I had one more thing
that I wanted to do. Are we coming up against it?
We got to throw it here we do.
Speaker 8 (01:43:13):
We have a green li engine.
Speaker 5 (01:43:14):
Next, let's throw it to Green Legion.
Speaker 6 (01:43:16):
Then I'll do that next week potentially so Green Lesion
Radio coming up after this right here on Fox Sports
Gamer
Popular Podcasts
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.