Tough Cover Show: NFL Preseason, Phillies, Movies, and More - 08/09/25

Mark Henry Jr. and Sam Oshtry talk Phillies, NFL preseason, and more.

Episode Transcript

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To come only here. Hello and welcome to the Tough
Cover Radio Show. It is Saturday, August nine. Time your
host as always, Mark Henry Junior. Follow me on Twitter

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at Mark Henry Junior NFL. And on the ones and twos,
we've got my guy Sam Astre. You can go and
follow him and check out all the stuff he's got
going on over at the Score at s Austre on Twitter. Sam.
How we doing.

Speaker 4 (02:12):
I'm good, Mark, I'm good. A little bit of a
flu game I'm dealing with here, but I wouldn't miss
co hosting with you on a beautiful Saturday morning in August.
So I'm here and I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I'm a little under the weather with you too. Got
a lot of flem going on. But you know, here,
here we are, and I'm off next week. Next week
is Shan Bernard's show. He's gonna do all his cham
Bernard stuff where he tells you how bad Justin Herbert
is and how good Bryce Young is and how the
Sixers are gonna win sixty games this year. Now I'm joking,

(02:43):
Shau Bernard's our guy, big, big engaged guy checking out
wedding venues.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
Out there, busy this summer.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's it's a busy time for our guy, Shan Bernard.
So he'll be back and then we're gonna kick it
into the high gear of the week after that, August
twenty third, I'll be back and then that's college. That's
week zero, as the kids call it. So not a
great week zero this year. But you know, football's football,
is what I'd like to say. But you know what,

(03:12):
we're doing a little grab bag here, Sam and I
are going until eleven, from eleven to twelve today, and
then we're gonna air what we've been doing on the
Gambler here. We call it summer School. Sean Brace hosts
and kind of kicks it around to Tanzy Beef and
I and I think this week's episode was a great
like crash course, I think for people out there who

(03:33):
maybe don't follow the transfer portal or don't follow kind
of the preseason polls, and we kind of pulled some
of that stuff up. We did a little draft of
champions so we all had three picks of a team.
We went to Snake draft on who we think can
win the championship, and the big takeaway is there's really
eight or nine teams that we really think ken after

(03:54):
that you're really reaching. So we're gonna air that at
twelve with Beef Brace and Joe Tanzy and I. So
we're gonna maybe maybe we'll gear away from college football
in the first hour, but we'll grab bag little NFL talk.
There's some Phillies talk there obviously at shadoor Is NFL,
but have to talk about Chador what he did yesterday.

(04:16):
I might even have a little movie segment coming up
at the end of the hour.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
So you didn't prep me for that one.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I'm I am an amc A List stubs member Sam
just in case you weren't aware.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
So what does that get you?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Like?

Speaker 4 (04:29):
Two free movies a month, three a week, three movies
a week?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
You can go to the theater three movies a week,
and I think I could pay for like two dollars
more where I could go unlimited if I wanted to,
But I don't need to see more than three movies.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Well, are you getting your mind's worth? Are you going?
How many movies are you going to a week?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Oh? Yeah, it's worth it. Once you go to a
second movie in a month, it's like twenty it's like
twenty two, twenty three a month. So you know, tickets
are like fifteen sixteen bucks or whatever they are. So
it feels like a free date for the wife and
I when we go to the movies now because we
don't have to pay for it. So I've seen a
lot of movies lately, have fit. I think I've seen

(05:07):
fifteen movies this year. So we're gonna run down the
list and rank them later on in the show. But
weapons big, big movie that's out right now. People are
all excited about it. It was a little underwhelmed, falls
in the middle of my top fifteen, so we'll talk
about that later.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I even heard of it, just looked it up. Though
I saw Julia Garner's in it, big Julia Garner fan,
I remember her from Ozarks.

Speaker 1 (05:31):
She's great in the movie. I actually could used some
more Julia Garner in the movie. She's the main character.
But this is no spoilers. This is out there very
I don't know if you're pulp fiction guy, Sam, that
my favorite movie of all time. But this is in
some ways inspired by it in the way that in
other movies. But it's not linear the story. It jumps

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around from different vantage points and different scenes, and you know,
prequel posts.

Speaker 4 (06:00):
Really hard to pull off unless you're like a masterful
genius like Tarantino is, and if you try it and fail,
it's just it's disastrous. And it sounds like that's kind
of how you're you're you're saying that movie what that's how.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I thought about it. It's being it's loved people. People
think it's you know, potentially a six yeah, yeah. And
I think part of it is that I was so
excited and I built myself up so much for it
that maybe I overhyped it. Maybe I could see it
a second time and be a little higher on it
notice some things, but I was underwhelmed. I can't, like,

(06:35):
I mean, three and a half stars. Still, it's not
like a bad movie by any means, would have had
a fun time watching the movie, but underwhelmed is what
I'd say. We'll get to that a little later and
kind of talk about some of the other movies I've seen,
especially recently. But NFL talk, I think, is where my
brain goes number one right now. I'm I'm fully football pilled.

(06:58):
And it's interesting because I listened to the couple NFL
pods that I really listened to. He'd the calls one
NFL Dailies and other Bill Simmons when he does his
NFL pods, I think they're they're generally fun. So when
I generally think of like what are people thinking, what
is the consensus? What is all this stuff? I feel

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like I default to the people I listened to. And
then I was talking in the troll bro Dude discord
yesterday in their NFL chat and throwing out some of
the things I feel like I've noticed from the NFL
media out there, and they were feeling the exact opposite
because they listened to different contents. So this is an
interesting way to say, Sam the Denver Broncos I feel

(07:41):
and what I've listened to and what I pay attention to.
I feel that there is a little bit of a
push from the NFL media and the gamblers and the
people out there that the Broncos are legit this year.
They're gonna take a step that last year wasn't a fluke.
They're gonna be maybe even a contender in the AFC.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
I definitely see that out there. I would say that's
absolutely the consensus among NFL media.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
You agree, you agree that that's kind of out there.
I want to buck against that consensus because I disagree
and I do not see it. And I think something
that people are really really ignoring with the Denver Broncos
is how lucky they were to play a last place
schedule last year, and not just how lucky they were,

(08:26):
how lucky they were with the quarterbacks specifically that they played.
And in twenty twenty four, I'll list to the quarterbacks
that the Denver Broncos beat. Baker Mayfield, really good quarterback.
He's the only good name you'll hear on this list.
Aaron Rodgers. They scored seven points in that game, the Jets, Gardner, Minshew,
Derek Carr, Bryce Young before he got benched, Washed Kirk Cousins, Gardner,

(08:52):
Minshew again, Jamis Winston, Anthony Richardson, and Carson Wentz with
the Kansas City backup. Those are the the ten quarterbacks
that the Denver Broncos beat in twenty twenty four when
they played competent quarterback play. They went one in seven
last year, and that one win was against Baker in

(09:13):
Week two early on in the year. Where Tampa did
start a little slow last year picked it up later
in the year too. So I don't really even think
they beat the best version of Tampa and Baker there.
I do not think that the Denver Broncos are going
to repeat what they did last year. Let alone take
a step. I think this is a seven, seven or
eight win team, and Vegas agreed with me. They had

(09:35):
their win total at eight and a half. It's been
bet up to nine and a half. It's still it's
like plus one hundred, so it's still plus money at
that nine and a half number, but it's been bet
up to nine and a half. I love that under
under nine and a half whatever. If you want to
bet that under, if you want to bet them to
miss the playoffs. I actually don't know what that number is.
I'd have to go and check that, but I think

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Denver was incredibly reliant last year on having an elite defense.
And if you look year to year at the elite
offenses of the sport and the elite defenses, the probability
that a team is able to repeat as an elite
offense is a lot higher than an elite defense. There's
less variance year to year. If you look at the
top five or top ten in offense year to year,

(10:19):
you're gonna get fifty to eighty percent of the same
teams every year. Because if you have Josh Allen Lamar,
if you have the weapons the Eagles have, what the
Chiefs have, whoever you want to what Detroit's had the
last couple of years, whatever you want to throw, that's
usually pretty repeatable. That's not something that goes away quickly.
Whereas elite defenses. I don't want to quote the stat directly.

(10:40):
It's an Aaron Shottz stat out there from football outsiders.
I think he's FTN fantasy now, but I believe it's
twenty percent of defenses that finish top five repeat the
next year in the top ten. So eighty percent of
the defenses that finish top five are not only not
top five to year, but they're not top ten the

(11:01):
next year, meaning they're average or worse. And I think
Denver's really reliant on having an elite defense again this year.
And people love Bonnicks. People love a lot of what
they did this offseason. I think they have a pretty
good roster. They also play in a division with the Chiefs,
a playoff team, and the Chargers, and now a team
in the Raiders that was terrible last year and two

(11:22):
of their ten wins came from again came from the Raiders.
And now I think the Raiders upgraded immensely at head
coach from the worst head coach in the sport to
at least someone Pete Carroll's had one losing season in
his last twelve seasons as a head coach. They went
from the worst quarterback play in the sport to Gino.
Whatever you think of him, he's at least average. And

(11:42):
they went from the worst running back room in the
sport to Ashton Genty, who I think has a chance
to be immediately e lite. So I think the Raiders
are just I think the Raiders are going to be
much better and not the doormat that Denver beat up
on last year. Denver under nine and a half.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
What are your thoughts so real quick on on drafting sportsbook.
To make the playoffs, the Broncos are minus one forty,
and to miss the playoffs the plus one fifteen, So
it's really kind of a toss up. What they see.
A lot of this conversation is how you viewed bo Nicks,
and I think that's something we a conversation we can
have later whether he is capable of making another jump,

(12:19):
But I'm one hundred percent with you in terms of
this defense and how the Broncos are being viewed right now.
To add on to your stats about how awful their
schedule was last year, eight of the broncos ten wins
last year came against teams with a losing record, and
one of those and that's one of those wins against
the winning record was Week eighteen against the Chiefs when
Chiefs has clinched and played their backups. So when you

(12:39):
really look at it, they had one win against the
team with the winning record last season, and now this
season they're gonna play nine teams that made the playoffs
last year, and that doesn't even include the Raiders who
discussed who are going to be competitive. I don't know
if they're gonna make the playoffs. I we't go as
far as saying that, but they're going to be way
more competitive with Gino Smith than with Pete Carroll. And
for all the reasons you laid out, And then you

(13:01):
look at the Broncos offseason, they had the highest roster
retention in the entire NFL. So they looked at last
year's defense, where two seasons go, they the twenty seventh best,
so one of the worst scoring defenses in the entire league.
That last year they had the number three scoring defense
in the entire league. So a lot of that is, yes,

(13:21):
the defense was they have good personnel defensively, but a
lot of that has to do with their schedule and
all the awful quarterbacks they played. So I think it's
going to land somewhere in the middle where this will
be an above average defense. But when you have a
more difficult schedule, when you're playing more challenging quarterbacks and
you brought back pretty much your entire defense, I think
there's going to be natural statistical regression from the defense.

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And I actually like Boonickx a lot. I think he's
going to be a really good quarterback in the league.
But I just don't think that. Again, they have to
rely on their defense still, and I don't think this
defense is going to be one of the best in
the league based on the schedule and everything lay out.
So I'm one hundred percent with you where I think
this is a situation where it's worst record for the Broncos,
not necessarily the worst team the last year, but worst
record because of a much more difficult schedule. One look,

(14:06):
nfl dot Com ranked the Broncos defense is number one
in the entire league. I just don't get that, Like, yeah,
the statistical profile of them last year is great because
of their schedule and the quarterbacks they played, and they
just brought everyone back. So when you're looking at a
top defense scoring defensive the league last year and you
bring everyone back, you're okay, this will also be one
of the best defensive league this year. But when you

(14:27):
factor in the quarterbacks they're gonna have to play on
the offense they're gonna have to play this year, and
how much more difficult that schedule is. There's no scenario
where this defense is a top five scoring defense in
the NFL when the season's over. So I don't understand,
like NFL dot Com. I'm with you with the consensus
that a lot of these places have the Broncos as
the best or one of the best defense in the league,
and I think there's serious, serious regression coming.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
I almost feel like after the UH, after the Ravens, Bills,
and Chiefs, I feel like people have them in kind
of their own tier people. I think the Broncos are
that consensus fourth tea in the AFC overall, above anybody,
any other wildcard team or anyone in the AFC South.
And before the Charger, before the Slater injury, I was

(15:10):
really pushing that that was the Chargers. People were sleeping
on the Chargers and really pushing up the Broncos. With
the Slater injury, it hurts the Chargers, and I think
it kind of levels out the rest of the field
after that top three, I'm still not picking the Broncos
to be that team and the big move. Like I
think if they were going to make a big upgrade

(15:30):
this offseason and they were gonna be like, you know what,
we're kicking it into overdrive. We have this defense, they
have a great O line. I'll give them that. They
have a great al ligne, they have this O line.
They have this defense, let's kick it in the upper
drive overdrive, and let's go get a legitimate wide receiver too,
or let's go get let's go trade up and get
Omarion Hampton in the first round as a running back,
and in my opinion, them sitting at I forget exactly

(15:53):
where they picked them the first round twenty one or
something like that, and they took Jday Baron, who I
liked Jday Baron. I had him as a fringe first
round guy. I think they took him a couple spots
higher than I had him rank. But if you're looking
through the Broncos roster, the number one spot I would
say they did not have to improve was the secondary.
And they didn't go out and spend big money on
any one player. Maybe dra Greenwall, you could say he

(16:16):
was a linebacker coming off an achilles injury, so not
like a slam dunk that he's just gonna be Dray
Greenwall that we remember. But they didn't make any big
money acquisition. Their biggest chance to make a splash was
that first round pick. And I think if they were
gonna be serious and say, you know what, bo Nix's
rookie contract. We need to pour all the money and
all the assets we can around him. We know that

(16:38):
this defense is gonna be good. We know the O
line's gonna be good. They should have went and traded
up for Teed McMillan or Ashton Gent or a Marion Hampton,
or went out and traded for one of these stud
receivers that was up on the market, or whatever the
case may be. I don't think they added that guy
next to Courtland Sutton. You know, R. J. Harvey and JK. Dobbins.
I kind of like both from a fantasy value standpoint,

(17:00):
but like neither. I'm convinced they're gonna like they're not
gonna be elite at running the ball this year. And
I don't know they went out and signed Evan Ingram.
I think he's kind of cooked in some ways. He
was pretty terrible last year, and even the year he
had two years ago where he had a ton of catches,
he was like ten or eleven yards per catch. It's
not like he's making big plays. So I just I'm

(17:20):
pretty out on Denver and I'm shocked at just how
you I kind of thought we would all and I'm
kind of like including myself in the gambling community, I
feel like so often when you have a team like
Denver who pops up and rookie quarterback and they win
nine or ten games like Washington, I feel like the
gambling community is very much skeptical of the Commanders, and

(17:40):
I think correctly so in some ways, I think there's
reasons to be, but they're not applying any of that
skepticism from Washington, who rode what they did off of
the strength of an elite quarterback and a really good
offense and a mid defense. Like I don't think anything
Washington did on defense to finish like eighteenth last year,
whatever they were, is unrepeatable. I think if any thing,
they'll probably jump up just a little bit. And people

(18:03):
are applaying none of that skepticism from Washington to Denver,
and that shocks me, And I don't know why do
you think that is?

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Well, that's a fair point because a lot of the
skepticism from at least from Washington is a lot of
the sophomore slump that Jaydeon Daniels could take, and part
of that is because of Terry McLaurin situation, and we
don't know how that will play out.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And if he's I can tell you right now. I
think Terry mclaurin's playing Week one. I think it's all noise,
like I don't pay any attention.

Speaker 4 (18:30):
I'm probably with you, yeah, And I wouldn't say the
same about mikeel Parsons. I think that's completely different. But
I'm with you on that. But I think I think
there is a natural sophomore slump that occurs, not for everybody,
but when you look at CJ. Stroud last year, it
was a consensus top ten quarterback, and then there's obvious regression.
He was dealing with some issues at receiver to last
season and he just wasn't as good. When you hear

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or when you listen to coaches around the league talk
about rookie quarterbacks and why that sophomore slump occurs, it's
because it's hard to really scout and evaluate a rookie
quarterback from week to week and what they're doing just
based on all the factors that go into scouting a
guy week to week, but when you have a full offseason,
especially when in the same division or conference as that quarterback,

(19:12):
and really to understand their tendencies weaknesses that you can
expose there's a lot that there's more exposure for that
rookie quarterback to kind of have a worse sophomore season,
and that happens all the time around the NFL. So
I think people are expecting that from Jay and Daniels,
and then you look at bow Knicks, people are certainly
expecting that from him because I thought thought Boon Nicks

(19:33):
had a great season. I think he's going to be
a great quarterback in the NFL. His characters make up
everything that you want in like a franchise quarterback. As
a worker, his mindset, he has all of it. He
has that if factor. That's why Sean Payton fell in
love with him. But there also were series concerns that
they they were and there are serious concerns because of
what happened last year where they were making reads really

(19:53):
easy for him and a lot of these were really
quick throws, get the ball of his hands really quickly,
make these set up easy reads for and get the
ball of his hands quickly. Team NFL defenses can take
that away more now with a full off season of
scout of that, NFL defense can take that way and
more that that away, and he has a great long
ball but again, like you said, Courtland Sutton and Marvin
and Marvin mimss two top options aren't great for a

(20:17):
young quarterback. So I think, I don't want to say
regression from bo Nicks, but I don't think the Bo
Knicks is gonna have some like spectacular season. I think
the Brokers are going to make more of an effort
next offseason to really get him a wide receiver one.
But I do think you're gonna see him throw the
ball down the field more number one because defenses will
force that number two, because that's the next step in
his development.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Here's what I'll tell you. Maybe this is the hot take.
Maybe I still would take all of the quarterbacks who
went ahead of bow Knicks over, maybe not Penix, take
Penics aside because I actually had and take JJ aside
because we don't know anything about JJ. I had JJ,
Penix and Knicks kind of like all clumped together in
that draft like I didn't really have.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
We got Caleb Williams and Jane Jones.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Still taking Caleb may I.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Don't think that's a hot take at all. Well, you
were eliminated two guys who went over. You said no JJ,
and then yeah, that was fair.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I kind of forgot. I forgot about Panics. When I
first said it, I was going to include JJ because
I think I might still bet on JJ just because
of Minnesota and being with Jefferson and KOC. But but
what I'll say about bow Knicks, I think bo Nicks
was the most NFL ready guy. He was. He played
so long in college and played in a bunch of
different systems in college, learned a bunch of different offenses,

(21:33):
and then he went in my I've talked about this before,
and it kind of flies in the face of what
I'm saying where I'm fading Denver. I think Sean Payton's
like the best offensive mind, maybe outside of Kyle Shanahan
in our lifetimes. Like I really do think he's an
absolute offensive genius. I mean, I've debated about this before.
Go look at Drew Breed before Sean Payton got ahold
of him, and he was fine. He was like a

(21:55):
you know, a mid level starting quarterback on the Chargers,
maybe maybe above average a couple of years, and then
he went to New Orleans and he became the league.
I think what we saw from Bo Nicks this sounds crazy.
And I think if I heard someone else say this,
I'd be like, that's crazy thing to say. I think
that's about the peak of what we're going.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
Yeah, I don't agree with that at all. That's fair.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
No, I know that what I'm saying sounds maybe peak
is wrong.

Speaker 4 (22:18):
I don't think he's ever going to be like his
ceiling is what he put on display last year.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I don't think he's ever going to be like more
than like ten percent better than he Maybe he throws
for like four thousand yards instead of thirty seven. Dre
maybe throws for like thirty five. I just feel like the.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Offense was so simplified for him and before him, because
he was a rookie quarterback, and that's how you have
rookie quarterbacks succeed in year one. But I feel like
the offense was so simplified because it was all just
easy reasons. So short passes like average George per tent
were as low as you could get in the NFL, really,
and he wasn't throwing the ball down the field. But
I think with another offseason and a full season under

(22:52):
his belt, they're going to open stuff up for him
and more opportunities to kind of showcase that he's capable
of throwing it down the field, and.

Speaker 1 (22:58):
Hey, he's got the right guy to to level him up.
And if he's going to become if he hasn't in
him to be better than he was, then he's going
to be because Sean Payton's that good. I think like
I think we were coming up against his like ceiling
last year athletically and in terms of his arm, and
I know he can make some big throws. I don't
think he can do it like all that consistently. I

(23:20):
do think like some of that simplified stuff in some
ways was to help a rookie quarterback. I think it
was also like this is what he can do, Like,
this is what he does, so we're going.

Speaker 4 (23:29):
To do this and not kill us, and a lot
of design quarterback runs for him because he is really athletic,
and then that kind of that helps him as a rookie.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
That's part of it for me where I think like
these couple of years, and I've same with Jayden Daniels
in a much different way, but these are the best
years I think you're gonna get out of Jayden Daniels
and bo Nicks like rookies maybe unfair in general. I
I do think Jayden could have like an MVP year
where he even like levels above what he did last year.
I think he's a little bit different, but I don't

(24:00):
think Jayden has like a I wouldn't bet on Jayden
in like ten years to still be like an elite
quarterback in any way.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
I think Jayden could be like a top five quarterback
in the league for a long time. Bo Nix's ceiling
isn't quite that. I do think, like I don't think
we're ever going to talk about bo Nicks as an
MVP candidate or a top five to ten quarterback in
the league.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
I guess that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
But I do think he's good enough where you can
win a super Bowl with him in the right system,
with Sean Payton, the right weapons, an elite defense, running
game which is gonna be a little questionable this year.
We'll see how it plays out with that battle, but
with all the right resources around him, I think you
can win a super Bowl with bo Nix because I
do think he he has like the clutch factor, the factor,

(24:46):
he has the right mentality and with when he's in
Sean Payton's system, that helps him and it certainly will
help his development. So I think everyone kind of is
putting a ceiling in a cap on him, but they're
forgetting and that you're not doing this because you love
Sean Payton, but once forgetting that Sean Payton isn't just
a great offensive MASTERMI, it's also a great developer of
talent and of the quarterback position. Look what he did

(25:07):
with Drew Brees Breeze as you just outline. So I
think that could happen with bow Knicks, where the Broncos
can win a super Bowl with bo Nicks, Like I
do believe they think he is a franchise. Yeah, they
have to get everything around him, right, He's not gonna
be a top five to eight quarterback where you're gonna
win a super Bowl where he puts you on his back.
But you can win it with him.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
My argument is you can't once you pay him.

Speaker 4 (25:29):
Yeah, it definitely gets more difficult.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
That's I mean. Yeah, I think where I'm at is
you can only win in this league when you're once
you're paid, if you're like a top seven or eight guy.
I otherwise you need to win in that five year
window where that that I mean, we I mean that's
not I'm not breaking anything. Everybody talks about the rookie
scale window for these guys and how important it becomes,

(25:53):
and I think, I mean I generally in general, just
in a vacuum. If we're saying, plug this quarterback into
like a Kyle Shanahan perfect forty nine ers team from
a couple of years ago, could he win a Super Bowl?
I'd be like, yeah, But I think a lot of
those issues become like once you pay brock Purty, can
he win a Super Bowl? Once you pay you know,

(26:16):
I'm trying to think of another Dak Prescott. Can he
win a Super Bowl? Like I think then that becomes
a little bit more of a nuanced conversation. But and
that's part of why I'm saying, like I think they
needed to go out and attack it, like go get
that elite receiver that maybe could stave off the sophomore
slump in the same way that Jalen had his first

(26:37):
year as a starter. Didn't really have a lot of weapons,
but how he went out and got aj so any
sophomore slump not exactly the same thing because he didn't
play as a rookie as a starter, but that staved
off any potential for Jalen to be found out and
to regress in that second year as a starter because
he got much better talent around him. Let's kind of
let's go to a different team and similar like same church,

(26:59):
different pew a little bit in terms of defensive regression
being the reason why I'm out on a team. And
this is another team that I'm kind of shocked that
people are in on. And I think when people are
out on them, they're out on them for the wrong reason.
And that's the Minnesota Vikings. The Minnesota Vikings went out
and won fourteen games last or thirteen or fourteen, whatever
it was. I think it was fourteen fourteen games last year,

(27:22):
and let Sam Donald go, JJ's stepping in. And I
think the people who are out on the Vikings would
be like, oh, well, you can't let Sam Donald go.
JJ's gonna step in. I don't like JJ. He's going
to be a rookie and have these problems. That's actually
not my concern. And I'm sure that there will be regression.
I think it'll be different more than anything. I think
he's going to run more. I think they're going to

(27:43):
run the ball more. In general, split the carre I
don't think. I think a lot of people are worried
about for fantasy purposes, that they're splitting the carries between
Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason. What I would say is
that I think they're going to run the ball way
more so. Aaron Jones might run the ball the same amount,
but Jordan Mason's also going to get a lot of
work as well. JJ's gonna run. I think they're going
to be a running team that gets the ball to
Jefferson in you know, big spots. But the thing I

(28:07):
keep coming back to is they were also really reliant
last year on having an incredible defense, and even more
than Denver. Like you look at Denver and you know
Patrick Shirtan, and you've got these guys in the defensive line,
You've got Riley Moss, You've got I'm forgetting another dB
on that team is really good. But just a really
really good defense in terms of the personnel. Even if

(28:29):
I do think they're gonna regress some Minnesota is not
the same way. The Minnesota season last year came from
out of nowhere. You go look through those guys and
how they graded out even on PFF, they didn't really
have all that many top ten, top fifteen, top twenty
at their position guys. And my biggest concern for Minnesota
is they have two guys on their roster who played

(28:51):
three hundred or no, I'm sorry, they have two guys
in the roster who played eighty or more snaps last
year at cornerback. One of them was their starf in
corner Byron Murphy played like eleven hundred snaps. He was
really good. There are other Isaiah Rodgers, who is basically
our CB four or CB five, who played three hundred
snaps for the Eagles last year. He's their CV two.

(29:12):
They're relying on him to start every down. And then
outside of that, whoever's playing in the slot, I actually
don't even know who it is. They're someone who did
not play last season. So I have a lot of
concerns about Minnesota. Even if you look throughout the defense,
a lot of thirty year olds, a lot of thirty two,
thirty three year olds, not a lot of youth besides
Dallas Turner, they're young edge rusher. Not a lot of

(29:33):
used to be like, oh, there's here's where the improvement comes,
and this guy's going to become a lead and the
defense is going to stay lead. I think Brian Flores
came in with a new scheme and a new system
into a new division that hadn't seen him before, and
they're gonna have a year to adjust and there's gonna
be more injuries. Those older guys are going to regress.
I think that Minnesota defense not only will not be elite,

(29:53):
I don't think it will be top like ten to fifteen. Like.
I think it's gonna be one of those defenses that
falls from the top five all the way to being
averager work. So give me the vikings under. I forget
if it's eight and a half or nine and a half,
but I think they go under.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
The only counter to it is their front seven is
really good. I mean they can get to the corner
quarterback at a really high level. And even with their
pickups this this season with like Jonathan Allen Avon Hargrave,
of those type of guys like that, this is this
is a differ.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Those of those guys kind of got like ran out
from where they were though, like Johnathan Allen, Washington didn't
want to pay him at all to stay and Hargrave
was like a disaster.

Speaker 4 (30:29):
Hargrave was a disaster, But I do think that was
just like a bad situation all around. I think a
new change of scenery could help him because obviously we
know better than anyone Hawie he can be as a
pass rusher. I will say that I think their defensive
front is so good that it can kind of withstand
some of those concerns that they have in the secondary.
I mean you talk about like their age at back there,

(30:51):
like Harrison Smith is thirty six years old and they're
gonna be relying on him at safety, so there are
certain concerns. I can't defend that secondary. That's gonna a
very weak secondary. The only the only counter is that
they have such a great pass rush and such a
great front seven that they can probably get to the
quarterback at a really high rate, which obviously, as we know,
when you get to the quarterback very quickly, your second
doesn't have to guard for as long, so it helps

(31:13):
your secondary. You go back to like the Eagles Super
Bowl in twenty seventeen, where where that secondary was a
little suspect, probably better than people give it credit for it,
but a little suspect. We had such a great pass
rush though, that it helped out there. So I'm not
in on the Vikings, not necessarily for the reasons you outline,
but because I'm not a JJ McCarthy fan at all.
And I think being Kevin O'Connell system will help, because

(31:35):
he's as good as a coach that exists in the
NFL right now, especially as an offensive mine. But I
remember in college watching JJ McCarthy at Michigan and seeing
that this guy was supposed to be a first round pick,
a top ten pick potentially, and I was just like,
what are people I don't evaluate quarterbacks for a living,
so like I usually like to defer to the people
who do, but what are people seeing with this guy's

(31:57):
arm talent? What are people seeing with his accuracy? With
some of his decision making? I just could not understand
why this guy was considered a top ten quarterback in
the NFL, And then of course he was drafted by
the Vikings, gets season ending injury. Sam Donald has the
season he has, and now he's even added pressure on
him because Sam Donald had the season he had, and
so it's like, all right, this offense was one of
the best offenser in the league. With Sam Donald, you're

(32:18):
stepping in. It's yes, this is your first season NFL,
but there's kind of an expectation where there shouldn't be
that much of a drop off if you're really that guy.
And I don't think Jajon McCarthy's that guy, regardless of
the personnel he has around him and the weapons he
has around him and the coach Colon plays for him.
So I think the Vikings aren't really going to be
a serious threat for the playoffs this season, But it's

(32:40):
more because of jaj McCarthy than the defense.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Even like the deep, like Van Ginkel's getting up there,
he's been around for a while at this point, he
could regress. I think like that was Turner only at
three sacks luster I liked the pair. He could easily
kind of boom this year, but they're relying on him
for sure. And then the two guys we talked about,
It comes down to guys who didn't really work where
they just were, but clearly are talented in some ways,

(33:04):
like can they fit in on a new spot, Like
they lost some people on the defensive line as well
from last year, So I just I don't buy it.
I think this defense is going to really regress, and
I think it's one of those things where it's like
I feel like so often when they're the hot coordinator
who doesn't take a job, and Flora's situation is a
little different. He sued the NFL, so I think he's

(33:25):
blackballed forever. But I do think it's one of those
situations where it's like, remember when he was like the
hot coordinator, Like, I think there's a chance after this year,
the Vikings have like an average or bad year on defense,
and it's like, wow, people really thought Flora should have
been hired. Like, I I'm a little lower there. Let's
shift over to another two. I guess I might even

(33:46):
just keep it negative and just go all all negative
teams and chop off the one positive team. But Arizona
is a team where I feel like there's been some
buzz there. Wind totals eight and a half. I have
said he on the show before. I think the Cardinals
media market in Arizona is the only media market in

(34:06):
the country that they could have brought back their head
coach Jonathan Gannon, their quarterback Kyler Murray, and their offensive
coordinator Drew pettsing after what the last two years have been.
Where two years ago they ranked twenty eighth on defense, Well,
I like to do points on yards, so twenty eighth,
twenty fifth, and then the year last year they ranked
twenty first, fifteenth on defense. That's Gannon's job and he

(34:30):
has not fixed that defense to a sufficient level in
two years. And then not to mention that the offense
has cratered since Cliff Kingsbury left and Drew Petsing can't.
It seems like there's very clear issues between Kyler and Petsing.
Kyler gets asked questions about why people aren't getting the
ball and he goes ask Drew Pettsing, and Drew Petsing,
you know, says, oh, well, that's that's on Kyler to

(34:51):
pick where he's thrown. It's like it's crazy that they've
been They were sniping each other all year last year,
and they just brought it back and are running the
exact situation back. I don't know what Arizona did this
offseason for me to latch onto and be like they
fixed it. Here's where it's gonna be better now and
it's not going to be a mid mediocre team. And
I think because they were mid mediocre last year and

(35:13):
didn't really do anything to fix it, I think they're
actually going to regress. I think this is a dumpster
fire team. There's not a lot of bad teams out there.
Like I was talking, I forget who I was talking
about it with, but project the top five picks, everybody's
gonna have the Saints, Browns, Titans, Giants, and I think
there's a team that I'm missing. It seems like everybody
has the Dolphins in that mix. After that hard to

(35:35):
find teams that you're like, this team's gonna be bad.
You almost had. When you go out and you fill
an entire NFL schedule, you're gonna have a couple teams
you're like, Wow, I have this team at five wins
instead of seven or eight. Arizona is going to be
one of those teams for me this year. I haven't
at five wins. I think there's a chance they just
bottom out again and gets fired mid season. This offense
is just not taken steps. Marvin Harrison's apparently fat and

(35:57):
not in shape at all coming into training camp. I
don't know. I don't see any reason when you're looking
at the other teams in the West, where you have
the Rams, who I think are rock solid. If Stafford's
healthy and they're going to be right in the mix.
San Fran. Whatever you think about them, their schedule is
ridiculously easy and they should be healthier. I'm not high

(36:19):
on them, but I understand if you're in on San
Fran and then you have Seattle, who I think people
forget when ten and seven last year, it's pretty shocking
that they won ten games. I feel like it's maybe
the most forgettable ten win season in NFL history. But
new quarterback, I think it's a regression. I don't think
they'll be as good, but they're still going to be competitive,
like they're going to be an eight plus win team.
I think Arizona is the team out of that mix

(36:40):
that I'm saying, what did they do to try to
change what they were? And I don't see it. I
don't get it.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
I'm not a Kyler Murray guy at all. So I'm
with you, and I think it starts and ends with there,
like what is Kyler Murray and what are you kind
of trying to do if you're the Cardinals where you
just have a below average quarterback, lead you guys right
now unless you have an elite, elite defense or some
elite weapons, which obviously they tried to get Marvin Harrison
and did a really poor job last year of involving

(37:08):
him in the offense, especially early. You think they'll have
the will design more stuff to get him the ball
early in offen and make him into the playmaker he
was drafted to be and what we saw from him
in college where he was one of the best receivers
we've seen in a long time coming out of college.
So I'm just not high on Kyler Murray, Like, what
are you doing just sticking around with a below average quarterback?

(37:30):
To me, it's a blow up type thing, and I
think this season is kind of going to be the
catalyst that leads to this team blowing everything up, and
that includes moving on from Kyler Murray and finding a
new quarterback, even if it's a young guy that you
could potentially build with. And then from there it's probably
fired Jonathan Gannon, who will have a short lived stint.
I think that would be three years if he's fired
after this year. It's kind of just like he was

(37:52):
given the keys with a really bad engine, and that
engine is Kyler Murray. And I just went with Kyler Murray,
your back without a great defense, without great weapons around them,
what is your team and what is your offensive ceiling?
And it's really really low. So I don't like this
Cardinals team at all. Again, really tough division, tough conference
as a whole. So I just I'm I'm completely out

(38:14):
on the Cardinals too.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
And one last team before we switch gears, uh, the
Dallas Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (38:23):
I do not giving the gift that the gift that
keeps on giving. Jerry Jones.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I'm not even someone like an Eagles fan who's just like, oh,
the Cowboys look like every year, like I think when
the Cowboys are talented and good, like I'll predict the
Cowboys to be talented and good and go to the playoffs.
And you know, I don't have a problem. I don't
even like really dislike that all that much. Just to
be honest with the people out there, I think he
I think I never really just liked the romo, Like

(38:52):
I just like the Cowboys, but like I don't hate,
I actually hate the Giants. We'rening the Cowboys if I'm
unbiased on an if I'm more biased on anything, I'm
more biased against the Giants. But but Dak Prescott, I
don't think people realized that like the Cowboys were bad
when Dak was healthy last year, they went three and
five and that included a forty four to nineteen loss
to the Saints, of forty seven to nine loss to

(39:15):
the Lions, and their wins were against the Browns, a
twenty to fifteen win against the Giants, and then a
twenty to seventeen win against the Steelers. Like, this was
not an offense that was working at all, And while
Dak was healthy, people have e raced last year to oh,
well McCarthy stinks and Dak wasn't healthy. They were bad

(39:38):
when Dak was healthy and Dak averaged Dak was like
twenty eighth in points per game by quarterbacks last year
for fantasy, like just to give an idea of what
he was when he was playing. I don't think people
realized what a dumpster fire Dallas is, and I think
Dak's injury actually helped people not realize.

Speaker 4 (39:57):
It has the weapons.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
So like, what are you picks? Last year? We say
the gain they added pickens, but besides that, they had
these other guys last year.

Speaker 4 (40:10):
I know, but I also think he got off to
a really bad story and then the injury and it
was kind of just like a disastrous season. I mean,
Dak Prescott's a top fifteenish quarterback in the league. Like
Dak Prescott's can show you flashes where you're like, this
guy's a top seven to ten quarterback in the league.
And I think that's why they keep giving him another chance.
Of course, they paid him after some questionable moves there

(40:31):
by Jerry Jones, as we're saying with Michael Parsons in
that contract playout. But look, Dak Prescott's a really good quarterback.
I just I don't like. I just wouldn't trust him
in the playoffs. And I don't think this offense number
on the offensive line isn't what it used to be
a few years ago. The running game isn't what it
used to be a few years ago. Like that's when
Dak Prescott was at his best, when he's buying a
great offensive line, he had a great running game he
could rely on, and then the passing came second there

(40:53):
and he had great weapons around him. That that's not
the situation that Dak Prescott has anymore. And he's not
a top five to ten town of his decision making
and his interceptions in big not just even in big
moments of Regulans games. Early last season are just like
dumbfounding At this point in your career, you can get
away with those if you're a first or second year
player in the NFL. At this point of his career,

(41:13):
some of his decision making, decisions and interceptions are just
really poor. So I'm not like this Dallas team is
good enough to compete. Do I think that the third
best team in the NFC East?

Speaker 2 (41:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (41:26):
Do I think they're gonna make the playoffs? Probably not?
But it is way more fun when Dallas is good
and then they actually make the playoffs, and it just
ends in disappointment when they're just awful like last year,
it's just not as fun.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
I think they're gonna be awful. I think it's like
a five to six.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
So what do they do from there? If they're awful?
What do they do from there?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
When I think we finally get like a one year
Fire Shottenheimer Senile Jerry Mood, maybe Dak goes somewhere Like
I think I think they should trade Parsons by the way,
like they're not close to competing, Like go get to
first round picks and and don't have to clog up
your cap, like you're not gonna win in the next

(42:07):
five year. I really do think if you go by
that roster there, they've always done stars and scrubs where
they don't care about the middle of the roster, and
they always pay more to their top five to ten
less to their like ten to twenty. I read an
article about that a year or two ago. That's really
stuck with me, and you go look at the roster.
There's no depth. There's just no depth on that roster.

(42:29):
They don't care about the running back room. They didn't
even have a second receiver until this year with Pickens.
At least they have Pickings. They have nothing behind CD
and CD and Pickens in that in that wide receiver room,
like the O line does used to have depth. Like
the guys that were on the O line now were
like backups in a lot of cases, like behind some
of like Tyron Smith and some of those GOTTLEL Collins,
who's back now. But like, I think Dallas is really

(42:53):
really regressed and people I've seen a couple of people
like when people make fun of Jerry, they're like, Whoa's
draft record has been pretty good, and it's like, look
at the last couple of years, he's not cooking anymore,
like he took Mazzie Smith in the first round, Like
he's not he was a good drafter like five years ago,
like he actually did still do a really good job,
especially in the trenches. He was always really good at

(43:13):
drafting o' lineman. And it's not the same way anymore.
So real quick, that's that's gonna do it for those
for our NFL win totals. I don't have much on
the films from last night, Phil's one blow out. We're
just gonna go a couple more minutes and then take
a double break before we send it over to our
college football our college football pod for the second hour.

(43:35):
But anything on the films last night, Sam ho Hum
nine to one, Sanchez Cy Young, I.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Mean, their offense looks really good since the All Star break.
I do want to acknowledge. I mean, of course we
know what Kyle Schwarber is. I mean, KYLEE. Swarber has
been one of my favorite Phillies to watch this season.
In who knows how long I can't remember just enjoying
watching an individual player on the Phillies in this who's
not a pitcher in the in like a long time.
I know Ryan Howard had a much better season, but
I was a little young for that one. So this

(44:01):
Schwarber season, every time he steps to the plate has
just been exhilarating. And I can't remember loving watching a
player that much for the Phillies in a long time.
Bryce Harber's had some stretches since it came over, like
a few months were four or five months, so it
was like, holy molay, you gotta watch this guy every
time he steps to the plate. But Shwarber is on
that level right now. And then the other thron og

(44:22):
is Brandon Marsh who's been pretty awesome for this team
over the last like three months or so. And he
got off to a poor season, yeah, because May he
had a pretty poor mayor like, he got off to
a bad season, and then since then he's been he's
been really good. I mean, he's top four in batting average,
I'm on base percentage, slugging percentage, ops, all of it.

(44:44):
So he for the Phillies. So he's been one of
our better hitters. And when you go into the playoffs
and the last few seasons in the playoffs, that bottom
of the lineup hasn't given you anything, I mean really
just nothing in the postseason, and it's been a real
concern of like, we have to advance runner yet with
runers in scoring position, we have to we have to
bring guys home, and that bottom of the lineup just

(45:05):
hasn't been done anything in the postseason. And Brandon marsh
if he's capable of bringing this hot streak into the
playoffs into the September and October, then you're gonna see
a completely different Phillies lineup or excuse me, a different
Phillies team in the playoffs than what you've seen the
last few seasons. So I twenty to a knowledge Brandon Marshall,
who's been incredible and of course had another great game
four or five last night against the Rangers. That was crazy.

(45:28):
I think I don't remember the exact stat but they
haven't won a game in Texas or at the Ranger
steads how long.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
I think it was ten years.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
That's ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
They don't play there every year, so it's a little funky,
but it is. So yeah, they've had some horrors down there.
And yeah, to your point, since so marsh was sent down,
it was a fanom injury, but he was sent down
in April. Since he's been back up May third. Over
the last seventy five games that he's played, he's hitting
three fourteen with a three seventy one OVP and an

(45:59):
eight fifty six. And I'm sure that's actually being laid
down by some of the lefty numbers like he's probably hitting.
I'd have to it's hard to do this, and I can.
I can do it a little later. But against righty
since May third, I'd assume he's probably hitting like three forty,
probably with like a nine to forty oh ps plus.
So I I think that there's a conversation that Marsh

(46:20):
has to be in the top five of the lineup
against righty's I don't know where. Maybe he hit second
and you shift Bryce and short we down. I generally
want if I was making a lineup, I would literally
just rank my hitters like I would want Price hitting
first and Shore were hitting second, or flipped like I
would want my best hitter hitting as many times as possible.
The leadoff hitter hits more than anybody else on the team.

(46:40):
So that's kind of how I look at it. But
I think there's a conversation where Brandon Marsh needs to
be in the top four or five the way he
swings against righty's. It is he's unquestionably a top four
hitter on this team, especially against righty's. But we have
plenty of time to talk Phil's obviously.

Speaker 4 (46:57):
Before we lead go, before we set it away, we
talked about some bats. Are we concerned at all about Wheeler?
Is question number one? And the question number two is
when the hell are we going to see Aaron Nola
pitching it?

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Well? I think Nola they've been They've had the luxury
of uh slow playing Nola because Taiwan hasn't killed you,
and because the other four guys have been so or
the other three guys have been so good. Lozardo's gonna
need that.

Speaker 4 (47:22):
I get that. I get that approach, but he's also
gonna need reps before the postseason if he's rely on them.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
He's rehab starting right now, I know, so he's had
rehab starts in the minors, so I would expect he's
back up in August to try to wrestle away because
if he's healthy, he's going to be that fourth playoff starter.
I think Lozardo goes to the pen, which I think
helps to have a lefty in Louzardo out of the pen.
But I wouldn't be worried about Wheeler until he misses

(47:50):
the start. We're going to see him in what I
guess they moved him to Monday, I believe Monday or Tuesday.
So once he pitches that game, if struggles, I think
then you can maybe start being concerned. But the fact
that they pushed him back and didn't put him on
the il quells my concerns a little bit.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
But it is nice when you have the starting pitching
rotation that we have and Christophers answers to even have
that great of a game last night, but still it
did his thing.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I would love to send Wheeler down for two weeks
just to give him, just to give him a little
a little break, to be honest, if he is having
any soreness and it is just bring Painter up, like
it's time. He finally had a couple of good outings
down down in the minors. So I would like to
see if Painter can come up, because maybe he can
contribute in the playoffs to the bullpen, but it seems

(48:38):
like there. I actually think Painter won't come up this year.
If I had to guess, I do think Crawford comes
up on August fifteenth, though that's another conversation for another day.
But real quick on his list him list him off.
I said the movies thing I've got to I've got
to at least follow through on the top fourteen movies
was fourteen, not fifteen. I was wrong fourteen.

Speaker 4 (48:56):
Throughout that Bill Simmons thing. Right now, we're listening to
the top fourteen movies.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
That is very Bill Simmons fourteen being the number I
wish it would. I wish it would have been fifteen.
But fourteen is Drassic World Rebirth. Hated it. I'm a
big Jurassic World, Jurassic Park franchise guy. I'd say worst
of the franchise, Worse than any of the Pratt movies
even it is an absolute abomination. Thirteen Lee Loan Stitch.
Hard to even rack that with the rest of these.

(49:21):
But yeah, twelve Drop bad movie. Everything you needed from
the movie Drop was in the commercial. The commercial was
the entire movie. Eleven Mickey. Seventeen had a lot of
had a lot of potential, did not follow through in
my opinion, especially like an hour in Totally Lost Me.

(49:42):
The last like hour hour and a half of that
movie dreadful, in my opinion, ten Wolfman About is Bland
a horror movie about like a classic ip as you
can get like fine it was. It was fine. It
was two and a half stars out of five. I
would describe it as fine. Same thing for Ron Materialists. Nine.
I would describe it as like the most fine rom

(50:04):
com possible, just like Cookie Cutter, Paint by Numbers rom com,
like the people in it. It was fine. Number eight Weapons,
we talked about it earlier. Really disappointed. Number seven Together
a movie I saw yesterday. Alison Brie and Dave Franco.
They're married in real life. They are a couple in
this movie and things start happening to their bodies. I

(50:27):
guess I'll say body horror for it Together. Really good
body horror, not a big body horror guy. Probably my
favorite body horror I've seen in a long time, though.
Number six Friendship. If you don't like Tim Robinson and
you don't like I think you should leave the Netflix
Sketch comedy show, then you won't like this movie. This
movie is like just very much four fans of Tim Robinson.

(50:50):
I feel like if I wasn't a fan of Tim Robinson,
I don't think I would have get it. I think
you should leave. You Ever seen it? Sam? I have.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Yeah, I haven't seen the entire thing, but I've seen episodes.
I enjoy it. I enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
You enjoy it. Okay.

Speaker 4 (51:03):
So on that note, you know it's so I love
that I watched recently. I can't remember the name, but
it's Nathan Fielders show. Oh the rehearsal, the rehearsal.

Speaker 1 (51:12):
Love that people love it. Yeah, I fly too much
to watch that show on what Season two I know
is all about aviation, and I'm worried to watch it.

Speaker 4 (51:21):
It is, but it's not like, yeah it is, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Yeah, yeah, I'm a little worried about the Eric.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah, I watched season one thing because he's the one
has nothing to do with that and it's just silncept
but it's just completely unrelated scenarios. It's really funny.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
He's a genius. He's I mean, I've seen parts of
even season two and scares the crap out of me
a little bit. But number five Superman, Uh, I like Superman.
I think it's been a little overrated by some people
in terms of like all time superhero movie, but fun,
fun superhero movie. I feel like I could have gotten
more Clark Kenton the Daily Planet. That was my one complaint,

(51:58):
a little too much Superman, enough Clark Kent. It's kind
of the point of the movie. It's like Bruce Wayne Batman.
You can't have one without having enough of the other
to build a connection to the other that once he's
the other, the real character, you care whatever. Number four
F one fun movie, Brad Pitt movie star.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
I really like Danny that that's what everyone would tell me.
Because I'm not the biggest movie in the world. That's
one's been telling me. I have to watch. People love
F one.

Speaker 1 (52:24):
I would say that. The one thing I'd say is
it might not follow through being as good outside of theaters.
I think it was such a theater I actually did
see it still in theaters where I go in Plymouth Meeting.
But in theaters it was still like it was a
really special experience. I'm sure it would still be a
fun movie, but.

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I think anymore just Plymouth Meeting.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
While I'm saying like I'm at I'm shocked and still
in theaters. I feel like it's been out for like
months now at this point. But I did see it
was out in theaters where at least Verama, I would.
I would see it if you if you, if you
see that it's still out there, I would go see it.
Worst favorite movie of the year. Number three Fantastic Four.
I really really loved Fantastic Four. Loved the retro futuristic,

(53:07):
kind of sixties pastiche vibe. I loved the vibe of
that movie. I'm I wasn't really a huge Patro Pascal
guy before that movie, and I thought he was Breed
Richard's to a t. He was finally like that. That
felt like a finally that those are the Fantastic Four
characters did really well. The first weekend. Has not made
a lot of money since big, big, big drop off

(53:29):
after the first weekend, so probably will barely make its
money back, which is a negative. But I liked it
a lot. Number two Eddington. Loved Eddington. Every like three
through eight on my list. You could jumble up and
jumble it together. Number two Eddington. I loved it. Joaquin Phoenix,
Paedro Pascal. I thought they were both Emma Stone, Austin Butler.

(53:50):
Everybody in that movie delivered. I thought Aria Aria Astra
is one of my favorite.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
Directors Western comedy. I hadn't even heard of that a
Western comedy.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
You hadn't heard of Eddington. Really that surprised me. It was.
It was definitely pretty marketed. It's made a good amount
of money. It's it's I don't know if comedy is fair.
There are comedic parts of it. I think it's just
as much a horror as it is a comedy. But
it takes place in twenty twenty. Uh, kind of weaves
in the events of George Floyd into it a little bit.

(54:19):
It's very much a very much a mirror to society
on both sides of the eye.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Interesting, I like, I like those type of films that
that dive into those, uh, societal questions and all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Let's say, it's not gonna be for everybody, but and
doubly like, yeah, it's gonna be fair.

Speaker 4 (54:42):
About him.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
He's just happened to a lot of these movies. Some
of these movies he filmed at different points in time,
and they're all just releasing at the same time. It's
almost unfortunate for him that this overexposure thing has happened.
The funny thing about it is fantastic for my long filming.
He was supposed to be the supporting actor and weapons
the that I've been talking about where he would have
been in another movie that's out right now, so he

(55:05):
would be.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
The last of us two, all of it. Yeah, I'm
seeing so much about him. And then once once you're
in the news for that long things negative stories will
start coming out. And that's that's really what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
He needs some time off, he needs a little a
little time away from the limelight to be fresh again,
and he gets back. And Number one, I've talked about
this a million times on the show, so I'm not
gonna do it anymore. Sinners my favorite movie the last
I don't fifteen years ten to fifteen years love Sinners.
Have you seen Cinner, Sam?

Speaker 4 (55:32):
I haven't. And that's one that I really know I
have to see.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
So I'm not the big it's on streaming services for free.
I think, yeah, I forget with one, but it's on
a streaming service.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
I am going to watch that at some point. That's one.
So I'm not the biggest movie guy in the world.
I love TV shows. I'm big TV guy, but I'm
not the biggest movie guy. But that like, I love
great movies, I appreciate great movies. That's what I know
I have to see. Everyone came back saying, this is
just an incredible movie. I think everyone loved watching it
except Josh Allen, maybe because the only clips I actually
saw of it where saw Michael B. Jordan's spitting in

(56:04):
his wife's mouth, so when we were talking about that
at the stream, so he might not have loved that.
But I heard it was an incredible movie. I know
I have to watch. I know I love it too,
like that those type of movies. So I will get
to that in the next couple of months.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
The Flip saw. I'm a movie guy, not a TV
guy generally, but what I will say is my favorite
TV show I've watched in maybe a decade. The studio
loved Love Love Love interesting.

Speaker 4 (56:28):
So I started that and I didn't finish it. Not
that I didn't like love it, but it was nothing
that it didn't like. It wasn't a show that I
episode ended. I felt like, oh, I can't wait for
the next one. I have to get back. I kind
of just naturally stopped watching it was like, I hate it.
I thought it was interesting. I didn't think it was
great though, like the.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
Frantics, it might be like for people like me, Like
I felt like when I was watching that show, I
was like, this is for me, Like, oh my god,
like kind of like once upon a time in Hollywood,
when I watched that movie from Tarantine, I was kind
of like, oh my god, like this is a movie
made for me to like it.

Speaker 4 (57:01):
With this, it might be true because it was like
it was a lot like it. It was at a
frantic pace, it was anxiety like driven. It was I mean,
I love Seth Rogen, but the whole thing was was
was a little much.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
I I think south Apristine, I forget his name in
real life. He was in Neighbors. He's Seth Ergan's friend
in Neighbors who's like his right hand man in this show.
He steals the show. He's unbelievable in this show.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Yes, yes, yeah, he's these guys always like he's always
doing the coke on the Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
He's so good in this show. Even better than Seth
I'd say, But uh, did you get to the episode
about them filming the scene in a one shot?

Speaker 4 (57:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:47):
Wonder and how I love that?

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Yeah? I thought that was the episode where I was like,
oh my god, I'm in but what I will say,
is the last three episodes, especially the last two episodes
or the best of the seasonal so really really closes
and it leaves you on a cliffhanger for season two,
which is renewed. So there's a really good last couple
episodes to the season. But I wrapped it up. We
gotta go, we gotta go here, Sam.

Speaker 4 (58:12):
I could see myself. I see myself coming back to
that show.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Yeah, come back to Maybe. Maybe it's just it's just
so for me that I maybe I'm overrating it because
it's so up my alley. But I really really loved it,
and I think where it ends leaves it at an
interesting spot going forward. I've never been this excited for
like season two of a TV show since I can't

(58:37):
tell you maybe The Office. I got in on the
Office really early.

Speaker 4 (58:40):
So are you going to watch the paper?

Speaker 1 (58:41):
Then? I'm afraid to watch the trailer.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
I think the trailer it's gonna be awful. Let's just
let's just be honest. It's gonna be awful. And look
most it's not gonna I don't think it's gonna do
extremely well. I don't know. I think a lot of
people are kind of in your boat. Where they're kind
scared to watch. It's like, why ruin the Office? It's
being pitches, it's like sequel to it. Why ruin the Office?

(59:05):
By even delving into the show that you know isn't
going to strike the same court as The Office did.

Speaker 1 (59:11):
That's fair, that's fair. It might be true, that might
be true. Well, we'll have to revisit it. I'm gonna
I will have to watch it just to just to
get eyes on it. I love I have a weird
relationship with the Office. I watched it live. It's a
very hipster of me. But like the women in my
life or even just online who like The Office became
a personality trait ten years after it stopped airing. I

(59:32):
was like, I watched this show a decade ago. I
don't think people telling me how good The Office is
in twenty nineteen. But anyway, that's gonna do it. Tough
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