TrillBroDude Interview -- 9/30/23

TrillBroDude joins Mark Henry Jr. and Sean Barnard to talk the latest slop in the #NBA - including the huge Damian Lillard trade!

Episode Transcript

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Oh, day and night, Itossed a turn. I keep stressing my
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as mine to night. He's allalone through the day and night and night
the loning Owners seems the free asmine and night at night. Welcome back
to the Tough Cover Radio Show twelveo'clock hour, and we got one of
our absolute favorite guests. We gotTrill bro Dude coming on. He's got
a fun announcement. But Jeremy hitthe drop, let's slop him up.

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Indeed, we're bringing on the slopGod Trill bro Dude. You can follow
him at trill bro Dude. He'sgot a very fun announcement. He's the
new full time host over on theat Bell and the Bird Eagles podcast feed.
They'll be rebranding that do you KnowBirds you Know, adding another arm
to the the you Know Ball PodArmy. I'm excited to hear that announcement,
and I'm pumped to have more trillbroDude football content. Me and Dred,

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one of his guys over there onthe playback, have been hopping on
and talking football with Trill two ofthe last couple of weeks. It's been
a lot of fun. And he'snot just He's not just a basketball guy
Media Empire. He's a football guyas well. Trill bro Dude, welcome
to the show. Thanks for havingme back. I appreciate it. Yeah,
I mean, with the way thethings have been going with the Sixers

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over the last you know, tenmonths, it's nice to talk about a
team that doesn't make me want tojump off the Ben Franklin Bridge. So
yeah, I mean, you're you'regonna say, I mean, you're an
okay C fan anyway, I don'tknow who these Sixers are that you're talking
about. You're you've been a longtime lifetime thunder fan. Yes, yeah,
it was all a bit when Isaid I love the Sixers and Darryl

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Morty and Joel Embiad and James Harden. I've always been Sam Presty's the goat
to your GM and that I don't. I no longer recognize the uh the
Sixers, so so uh yeah,it's good to talk about the eat my
Eagles and Thunders. Yeah, teamsthat we can respect. And you're Phillies,

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right, Are you gonna hop onagain for the bandwagon in the playoffs?
Here? Yeah? Sure I was. You know, I was at
the far last night talking to KyleSchwarber and I was like, sure,
I'm I'm a big Kyle Schwarber fanbecause I know that the efficiency calculator of
the MLB don't like him, andI just have to support a fellow hooper.
So Hi, he's a total hooper. I love that take. College

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Prper is absolutely a hooper. He'sjust a true baller. But let's talk
a little eagle. Let's talk abouta football. We're gonna get to the
Slop, We're gonna get to Dame, We're gonna get to Drew, get
to all that stuff. But realquick, let's talk about some football.
Let's talk about the Eagles. We'resitting at three and oh here obviously,
Yet you know, if you lookedon Phillies or you look on Eagles Twitter.

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By the way, Penn State justran a toush push. It's funny
that that's taken over. Yeah,it's taken taken over the planet there.
But Eagles three and oh. Youlook at Twitter, you listen to the
radio, I think you'd probably thinkthey were one and two or two and
one. You'd think there's a tonof teams that look incredible and a ton
of teams that were three and oh. There seems to be some freak out,
seems to be kind of a youknow, worry, especially about the

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offense, about the play calling,about Jalen Hurts. Where are you,
I guess on the worriometer on aone to ten, about how the play
calling, how the offense, andhow Jalen have looked. I'm cool as
cucumber. I'm not worried right nowabout anything. You're three and ol you
The thing about Jalen is that Ijust trust. I mean, you came

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on the stream after the first game, Mark and you were in the second
game, and you were basically saying, you know, I trust Sirianni to
figure it out over the course ofthe season. I'm not too worried about
the offense. And look, didit look amazing against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

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on Monday Night Football. No,but also they were pretty much getting whatever
they wanted in between the twenties.It's really just when they got down into
Tampa very territory that they were kindof struggling to finish off drives. You
know, Jalen was a little bitinaccurate in the red zone through an interception,
through two interceptions, and then youknow, obviously had some miscommunications and

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some bad throws. But on thewhole, I felt, Look, it
was his best game of the season, and I feel like they were making
steps in the right direction. WhenDeAndre Swift is able to do literally whatever
he wants and the offensive line isrun blocking the way that they are,
that's such a solid foundation to buildon, and I feel like that I'm
not I'm not really concerned in thesame way that I was after weeks one

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and two, when it felt likethe offense was completely stagged, itt and
unable to really get anything going untilthe end of games. So yeah,
I'm good. I'm fully back onafter the last two games. That kind
of just I think they're headed inthe right direction and they're going to figure
this thing out. Yeah. Oneof the things that gives me, the

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most optimism regarding Jalen heard specifically isnumber one, the head on his shoulders.
The guy just gets it. Andnumber two, it looks like he's
getting better at each game and itfeels like we're building towards it. They're
facing off with the Commanders nine anda half points spread that this week.
This feels like to me the weekwhere we might see like the peak of
what the Eagles could look like,that they're kind of shaking off the dust
of the off season, hitting theirstride a little bit. Trill. Do

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you think this is the week thatwe kind of see things in full force?
Yeah, I think so. Imean, I think the Washington matchup
is going to be a good matchupfor US. I mean, the last
two weeks, Washington's defense has beenable to stop literally no one. And
then in addition to that, theyalso have the fact that you know,
their defense specifical league. I'm sorry, their offensive line on the other side

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of the ball, it's just unableto protect the quarterback. And if that's
the case, they we're going tosee a ton of sacks. I think
we're going to see a lot ofpotential turnovers that will get the Eagles in
good field position, and they'll beable to build on that. Like I'm
just I'm genuinely not concerned at allabout this game tomorrow, which I know
those are classic final words, especiallywhen you consider the only game that they've

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lost in the last regular season gamethat they've lost in like the last two
calendar years was against Washington. Soit is kind of tempting fate. But
I just think the Eagles are amuch better football team, and I think
that you're totally right. I thinkthat they'll come out aggressive from the jump,
but I think they'll want to senda message now that they've had a
few weeks to warm up. LikeI said, preseason is three weeks.

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We got our preseason. Over startersdidn't really play, especially Jaalen. He
didn't play at all in the preseason. So the preseason is over and now
the seasons can start. Yeah,I'm with you. I think it's a
route. I think it's the worstpossible matchup for Washington with the O line
issues that they're having. I thinkthis is kind of a statement game for
the Eagles. So looking kind ofoutside of the Eagles real quick looking to
the Dallas Cowboys and Obviously, theyhad their loss to the Arizona Cardinals.

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That's a big favorite. Last week. I think apologies are due for Jonathan
Gannon, but that's a whole otherconversation. But the Dallas Cowboys lost,
and obviously it's a little bit ofa fluke. I don't think we think
that Dallas Cowboys aren't like better thanthe Arizona Cardinals. But are you looking
at that loss as like, allright, everyone needs to pump the brakes.

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They weren't as good as everyone wassaying, they weren't on Philly and
San Franz level, or do youthink it was a total fluke, Because
to me, it was obviously somewhatflukish that they lost the game, But
I never put them on that PhiladelphiaSan Francisco level, So it's pretty easy
for me to point out him andsay, I think they're eligible to lose
this week against New England and thenthey have a tough game against San fran

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I wouldn't be shocked at Dallas istwo and three after the first five weeks.
Where are you at on Dallas?So you were kind of on this
bandwagon from the jump of the seasonabout you know, let's let's look at
who they're playing. You know,you have the Jets with Zach Wilson,
who, as we've discussed many times, is what the fifty fifth best quarterbacks

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in the NFL, not even likea top fifteen backup in the NFL.
So you can probably kind of writethat game off from Dallas dominating that and
then you know, look, theGiants have looked better that Week one destruction
Dallas. But you know, Trayvondigs for the season, and I know
that he's kind of been up anddown in his career, but at the

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end of the day, you know, this is a guy who made the
Pro Bowl last year, I believe, and then addition that he actually started
off the year really good for them, tears his ACL and then they lose
three offensive alignment if her last week'sgame. That's why I think it is
a bit flukish, just because ifyou looked at the statistical profile, you
watch the game, it was kindof similar to the way that the Eagles

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played against the Buccaneers. But theCowboys had a ton of opportunities that they
blew and the Cardinals were able totake advantage of it in a way that
the Buccaneers weren't in their in theirgame, so I kind of see it
as a bit flukish, but Istill view Dallas as I would say that

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so far, if you were totear the teams just based on what they'd
looked like, you remove everything thatwe know about these teams, the playoff
history, you know, the NFCChampionship game last year, all that stuff.
I do think San Francisco has lookedlike they're in a bit of tier
of their own to start the year. I would then put the Eagles and
the Cowboys in half a tier downright now, I think that I would

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put the Eagles above because look,they haven't lost the game so far,
and obviously they haven't had the toughestcompetition, but neither as Dallas. And
Dallas lost the game to the tankingArizona Cardinals, so I don't take too
much from that game. But italso kind of reminds me of why I
never I always call them the Sixersof the NFL. The Cowboys, like
I will never believe in their trueceiling as long as Mike McCarthy is calling

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the plays, and as you know, great as Dak can be one of
the most accurate repects in the NFL. I still think the team might limit
your ceiling when he is your quarterback, especially when you have a play caller
like Mike McCarthy who's so incredibly conservative. And by the way, Kellen Moore
wasn't the problem. Charger's offense looksgreat with a real Q big. I'm
just saying no, Kellen Moore wasdefinitely not the problem. Anyone that was

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trying to blame Dak struggles on that, that was very misguided in my opinion.
There I would make it. Ithink I think San fran and Philly
are in a tier together, andthen I think the tier down from that
is probably Detroit and Dallas, andthen it's everyone else. That's probably how
I would tear it personally. Iguess I'll go there next Thursday night football.
Detroit is three and one, andI've been pretty skeptical on Detroit all

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along. It's hard for me topoke too many holes in that Thursday night
win on the road, even ifyou're not that high on Green Bay,
it's a tough place to play.Is Detroit kind of eking their way into
this conversation of it was kind ofthat top three and then Dallas lost,
and it's the top two in Dallas. Maybe is Detroit kind of hanging around
in that conversation. I can't getthere yet. I look and that they've

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had a nice start to the year. They could be four A no easily.
They honestly, I thought that theywere the better team in that Seahawks
Lions game. They kind of chokedthe game away in my opinion. But
they could easily be four a noto start this season and everyone would be
a ride and hive trim. Obviously, look guys like to play for Dan
Campbell. He seems like he's gota good hold on the locker room.
They've got a ton of talent,for sure, But I just keep going

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back to the facts that, likeone, how do we trust Jared Goff
at the higher levels without a playcaller, an offensive mind like Sean McVeigh,
And as good as these surroundings arein Detroit, I think that it's
not quite as much talent as hehad when he was with the Rams.
I just can't really buy into aJared golf playoff team. And it's not

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to say that Jared Goff is bad. I think Jerikoff is the perfectly find
starting quarterback. I just I'm skepticaluntil I see it at the higher levels
in the regular season. Sure theycould win eleven twelve games and have a
really nice regular season. I'm justskeptical coal of them as like a legit
contender. And I honestly go backto their draft and I say, if
they just had like a normal firstround, I would be so much higher

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on them, But they decided totrade back and draft a running back and
a linebacker, and that has notreally worked out for them so part.
Now, Brian Branch has been awesome. He was a first round talent they
got in the second round, sothat makes up for a little bit certainly.
But I'm just like, man,I'm so glad the team did not,
you know, end up getting oneof those guys the top of the

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draft, the Christian Gonzalez or JalenCarter that really could have taken them up
to the next level in my opinions. Yeah, and they also have not
been giving Gibbs the ball nearly asmuch as I've expected based on the reaction
by that draft pick. But Iwanted to circle back to the quarterback talking
conversation. Even when we bring upguys like Jared goff Dak Prescott, brock
Party. It's interesting to me,as much as we want to sugarcoat things,

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look at defense, look at coaches, quarterback plays such a strong role
in the overall ceiling of a team, and as we look around the NFC
specifically, I really don't see aquarterback in competition with Jalen Harts for the
best quarterback in the NFC. Ithink Dak Prescott and brock Party are probably
the stiffest competition. And to me, it's pretty clear that I'm taking Jalen
Harts over either those. So doyou think that overall is such a strong

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reason for the Eagles to have confidencein themselves? And do you think there's
anybody else that's kind of in thatconversation that I guess I'm missing. Am
I going to say I'm like aninsane person and say that Kirk Cousins has
been I know they're Owen three,so it doesn't really matter, but he
has been so good to start theyear in a way that I've never really

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anticipated from Kirk and Olook Kurts hadreally good regular seasons before He's got,
you know, arguably the best playerin the NFL, justin Jefferson throwing the
ball too. But I think ifyou're going based on this season and what
we know, Kirk has really madea case. But that doesn't really matter
because the Vikings just don't have theteam to make an impact. Now.

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If he gets traded to another NFCteam, or if he you know,
we talked about the Jets before,that would be interesting to me. And
obviously that's another decent quarterback moved tothe other conference, with which we would
welcome with open arms. I stillam look, I said, I said
to Mark after Week one. Iwas like, look, Perny's just good
man, Like, I don't thinkhe's, you know, gonna change your

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life. But Mark compared him toJimmy Garoppolo when he was in San Francisco,
and that's kind of all they needfor their offense to get to at
least say NFC championship level. Thequestion becomes, can he lift them up
in the game where you know,like Jay Lytton almost did in the Super
Bowl, you know, kind ofdragging the team to victory at the higher

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levels, And I am skeptical ofthat. I've called him the luckiest quarterback
in the NFL in the history ofthe NFL on Twitter Times because I watch
games and it's like this guy justthrows five interceptions every game, but they
never get picked off. Like therewas a play the other night in that
game where he threw a tip Therewas a tip pass that in nine out

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of ten quarterbacks to throw that pass, it gets intercepted or is it in
completion, and you know, ballbounces up in the air and I believe
it was Dievo. Samuel caught itout of the air and got a first
down Like that has been kind ofthe thing with Brock Purdie. He's kind
of the anti Dak Prescott, whodrew out his years, has had some
really bad luck in the playoffs especially, But I mean, I look,

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I definitely view as an overall quarterbackjust as a weapon, like a guy
who is leader of the locker roomhas a good enough arm is a threat
in the running game. I thinkJayalen is in a fear of his own
for the contenders, for sure,But I think that any given game Daker
Purdy can have because of the contextthat they're in, Daker Purdy could probably

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play up to the level that Jalenhas performed at at the higher levels.
I'm just I'm not going to leaveit until I see it in the playoffs.
Yeah, no, I'm right therewith you, and I guess i'd
be remiss. We'll move over tobasketball in one second. But I know
Chambernard's gonna love this. You're nota Trevor Lawrence guy, so I'll let
you. I'll let you have youryour moment here. It's a gloat on

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the t flaw as you call him. That was a joke. I think
that he's a perfectly good quarterback.I think he's a top ten twelve quarterback
in the NFL. I think he'sjust been prematurely crowned as like definitely one
of the five to seven best quarterbacks, and that I think he needs to

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prove more for a larger sample thansome of these other guys who I've done
it for longer, even if it'snot resulted in like winning at the higher
levels. Having said that, Ikind of DMed you. I was like,
oh, Herbert played great this pastweek. When I said I'd rather
have Herbert than Lawrence, and Lawrencedidn't play so great. I rewatched some
of that game later because I didn'tI didn't have a chance to catch it

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live. I was driving, butTrevor Lawrence was actually not bad in that
game. He was actually pretty good. It was there was a ton of
drops from their wide receivers. He'sactually he's led the NFL in the Jacksonville
Jaguars lead the NFL and wide receiverdrops to start the year. So I'm
not gonna gloat on that. Like, I gotta give Trevor Lawrence more time

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and more time to kind of getadjusted with these these new you know,
newer wide receivers. Obviously, CalvinRidley's playing his first year there and he
uh, he he started the yeargreat and hasn't been as great as he
was in that first game. Butuh, part of it is at least
due to context for him and especiallywe know press tail or call in your

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offense, it's gonna lead to someheadaches, let's let's uh say the least.
But yeah, so I was trollingyou what happened. He's actually been
totally fought. Yeah, And forthe record, I'm far more negative on
Justin Herbert than I am Trevor Lawrence. I know, I know you,
but you're not a Trevor Lawrence guyeither, But yeah, I buy into
more like Trevor Lawrence almost ten percentof his passes are being dropped, like

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literally going through the fingers of hisreceivers. Some of that I kind of
overlook more sad than the Herbert stuff, which I feel like is more in
his control. Yeah, but Herbert, I will say Herbert was incredible.
Lest we think. I think hedid play the best game of his life,
fishing high volume game in NFL history. This last week he was like
forty six or whatever it was.I think he completed eighty five percent of

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his passes. He's just I'm I'mbigger on Trevor Lawrence or I'm sorry,
I'm bigger on Justin Herbert than Ithink the majority of people that push back
on him. But I will sayhe wasn't my bad. He was at
Kirk Cousins diarrhea attack away from Ozand three there. That's what I was
about to say. And for threeconsecutive weeks, including the game that they

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won which Kirk through the interception andwe all saw what happened there, for
three consecutive weeks, the ball hasbeen putting justin Herbert's hand with the chance
to win a game, and hehas failed to do so. Yeah,
that's the Justin Herbert that I know. The one thing I will say is
I wish they would have just lethim sneak it last week instead of handing
into the fullback. But the codemy whole thing, And people came after
me on Instagram and Twitter when thatclip went out me talking about Herbert.

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My whole thing is mainly just thatI acknowledge that there's a lot to be
negative about in his surroundings. NowMike Williams has heard I think his coaching
staff horrible. There's a lot ofthings that you can point out, but
it just feels like at a certainpoint, if he's like, as you
know, on the Josh Allen JoeBurrow level, then he makes those places.
I don't think people are putting Trevoron that same level people put Herbert

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on. But that's really all itcomes down to for me. But let's
switch gears. Let's get over tobasketball. Let's talk about the Dame trade
first before one of the dominoes thatfell because of the Dame trade. And
obviously we're talking to trilbor Dude.You can follow trill at trolbora Dude,
and you can check out the unBall Patreon. It's great great stuff.

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I've been on there a little bit, like we said recently, talking about
the NFL, but yeah, it'sthey were doing the stream after the Dame
trade. They were doing a streamyesterday on Patreon talking about the Drew Holiday
trade ideas. But let's start withDame. What are your kind of just
overall takeaways. Obviously, I thinkwe all think Milwaukee made away like bandits.
I think we can blame your cohost Sam for making fun of the

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GM when you guys did the GMtears. But what were your reactions.
He wanted to put a D tierfor GMS, and I was like,
he didn't win a championship, gota little bit. I was like,
I think he's a B tier GMat a minimum, and Sam convinced me
to put him in that D tier, and you know, look, a
months later he came out with theturn Drew Holiday and one guaranteed first round

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pick in Grayson Allen into Damian Lollards. So pretty impressive. Certainly well,
as a avid Miami heat hater,I have I am, you know,
rejoicing over the fact that he didnot end up there. But it is
a bit of a monkey's call situationwhere oh Man I wish that Dame just
never went to the heat and thenhe ends up going with one of the

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twenty five best players of all time. Yeah, in your conference, so
obviously not great. I mean Ithink that we were talking about it last
night on the Patreon and we weresaying, I probably the most Look,
I don't know if they're the mosttalented duo of the last five to ten
years. Obviously you've had a tonof you know, if Steph Curry and
Kevin Durant at their peak two ofthe three best players in the NBA,

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you also had Anthony Davis and LebronJames who were top five ish players in
the NBA during that one season withthe Lakers. I'm not willing to go
that far, but I don't thinkthat there's been a duo that's quite as
synergistic. Yes, game honest,like the fit is just so hand in
gloves and what Milwaukee has lapped forall these years as a true offensive engine.

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Even when they won the championship,they had a below average half court
offensive raiding and the only reason thatthey were able to kind of win that
title other than the fact that theyhad a very elite defense built around you
know, their their their current core, which and also Withdrew and PJ.
Tucker. But they their offense wasreally dragged to the finish line by Chris

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Middleton hitting a ton of tough shotsduring that playoff run, like a historic
amount of games basically in the fourthquarter, and it was always looking like
they were getting it out of themud to quote Paul Reid in in those
playoff runs. And you know,Miami was able to take advantage of that
two times when they played them,they were able to muddy up the games

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and you know, win those series. And it was obviously a week point.
I think that this team Withdrew hadhit its ceiling and to replace he
sim with a guy like Dame who'sjust such automatically gives you a top five
offense if he's on your team.And then add in the fact that they
have one of the best spacing bigsand Brook Lopez who's also an interior force
on defense, adding adding in thefact that now Chris Middleton is more of

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a spot up secondary creator, andadding in the fact that Jannis is one
of the greatest you know, rollingrim threats we've we've ever seen on the
offensive end, and one of themost verable defenders who've ever seen. I
expect them to be really, reallygood and more dangerous in the playoffs than
they have been over the last fouryears because I think of people always say

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that the Mickey Mouse title was theBubble run. I think it was more
the next year when everyone was hurtand guys were in and out with COVID
and the Sun's I'll just say this, the Bucks were lucky with the nets
injuries that year and the matchups thatthey got in that run. And now
I think that they've given themselves abit of proof, a little bit of

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cushion over the acts that you know, they might have some bad matchups that
they'll just be able to overcome onpure talent. Yeah. Shout out to
the twenty twenty one six ers forallowing them to have a nice, nicer
path in the Eastern Conference finals.Good job, guys, But uh putting
putting that aside real quick. Bythe way, I really just want to

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throw this one in as another jabat sam Uh. I mean the twenty
twenty Lakers. You said you mentioneda d and Lebron being top five players
at the same time. I've beentold that was a bad basketball team.
Yeah. No, definitely. Theteam that was on sixty games before the
shutdown had a top three offense anddefense, her top five offense and defense,
and also until the bubble resumed,was basically by far the best team

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in the NBA in the regular seasonother than the Milwaukee Bucks who choked in
the bubble. Uh and then theypretty much easily cruise to a title and
only lost like four games the wholerun. Yeah, that team was not
any good at all. Yeah,that's I like that take by Sam.
It's one of my favorite. It'sone of my favorite takes. But really
it's just it is incredible. Ilove it. I love it on that

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trade, the Phoenix aspect of it. What are they doing? You tell
me? Look, you know wetalked about this. I don't know if
I talked to this about you before, to you about this before it actually
went down. We talked about iton the podcast where we were like we
heard from like seven Now, look, we're not like woes or anything,
but we hear from people, andwe hear rumors, and we heard from

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legitimately like five to seven people thatthe eten for Nurkic swap was a lock.
And were like why what is happening? Like is there another element are
they getting? Like he is Danegoing to the heat and they're getting Cale
Martin, Like why would they dothis? Like I don't understand. And
then when the trade went down,I mean, the return was even worse

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than I could ever imagine. Youtake Nurkic, who, look, eton
isn't a perfect player, and andlook, maybe you can make the argument
that if Nurkics is healthy, it'ssimilar to kind of what the Pelicans did,
if you years ago when they tradedJonas when they made I'm sorry the
Grizzlies did when they traded Jonas Valanciunasfor Steven Adams, and you know,

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look it might have been an offensivedown grade, but you know, you're
you're bringing a guy who's going tobe more engaged on the boards and you
know, set screens and do thecenter role players things. But Nurkics hasn't
been that player since like twenty eighteen, so like, I don't really know
what and even then, like hewas only what in this fifth year in
the NBA, fourth year in theNBA when he was that guy, Like

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he has a very small sample ofbeing a legit starting caliber center in the
NBA due to these injuries and Asianconcerns. And he's only twenty nine,
So, like, I don't understandwhat they're really doing other than the fact
the only thing I can think isthat Eaton's agency was just like, please
get rid of us, and allthe offers were even worse than this.

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But I mean, they took onmoney in the deal. It wasn't a
money saving deal. They're apparently leavingKeyan Johnson, so you better hope no
Little because Sir grayf and Allen's afine player, but he's not He's not
much better than like Landry Shammitt,who you just basically salary dumped in the
Bradley Bald deal. So I don'treally see this as an upgrade. I

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think it's a major downgrade for Phoenixand personally and left not Little is way
better than he's been so far tosaid a career. Yeah, it must
be DeAndre and just sucks that muchas a person that they just wanted him
out of there is really what Isee is they're using this as addition by
subtraction, because I do think thefinancial aspect, which he touched on,
there is a big part. Theyadded money to their cabinet this tale.

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This was not a money saving move. I do kind of like it from
the Trailblazers perspective of having a bilowon Deandret. And I know he's frustrating,
but I'm a little bit of aNaton truther that I think the talent's
there if he cares a little bit. Did you see the video talked about
this? Yeah? You do?Like aten see the video him walking through
the arena. I've never seen himsmile so much. They did. Go
watch his twist stream here. Helikes. He likes video game and I

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don't know if he likes basketball.I mean, he's a guy who's averaged
seventeen ten while not caring about theteam or basketball. He's twenty five years
old, former number one pick.Why not we brought traill Ons and me
and Sean could yell at each otherabout there. I was gonna say,
Marky, I was expecting you tosay that he has Ben Simmons brain,
because that's the vibe that I've gottenfrom in this that like he's a bit

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moody. He doesn't. He's notas invested in basketball as you probably want
someone to be that you're playing payinga max contract and the talents there.
We know the talent was there withboth of those guys both number one overall
picks. Uh, you know,to a lesser extent. I think Karl
Anthony Towns has had a better careerthan those guys, But Karl Anthony Towns
kind of in the same bucket.But uh, the thing was Eighten to

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me is like, look, he'scertainly talented. He certainly got the you
know, the athleticism, the size, everything you could ask for. But
I'm like, like, I'm nota big like culture guy. Like the
heat culture stuff drives me insane.But there's got to be a little bit
of truth to that, right,Like there's gonna be a little bit of

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truth, just like you gotta likethe people that you work with. Yeah,
and if Aton is gonna be kindof like a dude that you're building
around, I just don't really trustthe fact that, like he was on
a championship contender for three years andhe was pouting and fighting with the coach
during a Game seven and sat outof Game six this past year. Like,

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I just kind of don't really wantthose guys on my team. So
it's nothing against the talent, it'sjust more against like, if I'm trying
to do a rebuild, I don'tknow if I want that dude in the
building if he's you know, notgoing to be a good influence over the
younger guys that are on the team. Yeah. All very fair, and
I guess from the six Ers perspective, the biggest part of this trade is
Drew Holiday. That we know forthe Trailblazers, they're kind of taking this

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gamble of kick the can down theline, Let's see what we can get
with Holiday, and that's going tobe our ultimate return. I struggle to
find a way to get Drew Holidaytwo d six year isn't a deal.
I understand the fit. I understandit would be great, but I just
can't see it happening. How areyou feeling on and do you think,
like I guess, would you beinto Holliday if it's on the table,
And do you think there's any chanceof that? Joe, Well, I

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think that I think that this iskind of a situation where I'm not like
the biggest Drew Holiday fan in theworld. I think that people will overlook
a lot of Drew's flaws on offensebecause he is such a good defender,
and you know, he's certainly notlike what the Sixers would need because similar
we were talking about the Bucks halfcourt offensive problems. That's also been the

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Sixers largest problem outside of the games, when James Harden shoots like he's Steph
Curry in the playoffs. So Ithink that that is once against the higher
levels, Drew isn't going to solvethe half court offensive problems they've had.
Having said that, you have asituation right now with James Harden, who
I just talked about guys who don'twant to be somewhere and why it might

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be a good move to get ridof someone who doesn't want to be there,
especially when they're you know, atthe club a few nights ago with
a sign that says they're more aliar. Well, he also had a
sign that said, we're not gonnapull on never mind, I won't finish,
So he gets the other radio.But yeah, but he uh,

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but the fact that that is happeningis is to me is kind of this
is your get out of jail freecard. Like you have a guy who
is a uh, you know,obviously he's a he's a malcontent in the
locker room right now, and JamesHarden he doesn't want to be there,
and you know whether that's right orwrong, because he didn't get the contract,
that's just the reality of the situation. And now you have a situation

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where a player who is a atworst a fringe borderline all star type guy
and Drew Holiday and all defense levelguard who is by all means a good
locker room guy that everyone loves,and by the way, he has a
player option a year from now onhis contract that still would allow you to
come up with whatever this plan isabout cap space. Next summer, you

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might be able to bring Drew backat a lower cap hit or you could
just let him walk, and youkind of get the best of both worlds,
where you're still you're still giving yourselfa shot if you get a guy
lead your Holiday. You're banking onMaxie taking another step as an offensive creator,
and you're hoping that Drew being therein the backward with him is enough
to kind of at least get youto the conference finals and to a level

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that we've never been to in theplayoffs and keeping Joe Ellen beat happy and
making the locker room better all togetherfor a first year head coach. And
look, do I want to giveup one of the last picks that we
could possibly get in addition to JamesHarden. No, on its face,
that's not great value. But thereality of the situation is you've already punted

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on the value because you weren't ableto get anything for James Harden before.
So I think that there is aclear opportunity to trade James Harden's the Clippers
get a first round pick from thattrade, flip it to the Blazers with
whether it's players on the sixers oran extra swap or a first round pick
to the Blazers, and get DrewHoliday back to Philadelphia. I just think

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that that is, like I said, it's to get out of jail free
card. And you can do thewhole thing where you wait for the best
deal like you did with Ben Simmons, and then you do, you make
the deal too late, and itdoesn't matter anyway because you wait until three
PM at the trade deadline like youdo every year. And yeah, and
I keep looking at this as theother team's kind of involved in this,
because there's gonna be a healthy Drewholiday markis if he ends up on the

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Clippers, the Heat or the Celtics, all of those suck for these six
years and he may or way.Yeah, I mean, well, at
least, guys, at least weknow that James Harden has shown throughout his
career just a complete utter. Youknow, he's very he has a lot
of integrity. Oh that's he playswith a lot of professionalism. So I
mean, I have no doubt thathe's gonna come back and handle this like
a professional supermature. Yeah, yes, all right, that's gonna wrap it

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