May 14, 2024 • 55 mins
Ever wondered if a Grade 8 bolt should be used as a shear pin in a snow blower? Buckle up as PlainGuy and TowManG take you on a ride through the quirks and gears of the towing business on the Towing Life Podcast. You'll feel like you're right there with us, nursing a deep-voiced cold while teasing each other mercilessly, and even taking sides in the great debate over Tom Brady's roast and the sacred realm of free speech in comedy.
As we pivot from laughs to logistics, we pull back the curtain on the towing industry's complexities, analyzing Clover Towing's foray into motorcycle transportation with a customized van and dissecting the thorny tangle of towing regulations and their impact on the ground. Dive into the conversation – no cliché deep-diving here – as we scrutinize a photograph from Wrecker Warehouse of Texas LLC, debate the use of dollies in towing charges, and share insider stories that'll make you see the towing life in a whole new light.
But it's not all fun and games; the final stretch of our journey gets real with a call to action for tow truck industry unity. Faced with the closure of a colleague's business and a landscape of tightening regulations, we discuss the power of community and the importance of rallying together for change. So, come for the humor, stay for the hard-hitting insights, and join the conversation that's towing the line between entertainment and advocacy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Grade 8 bolts are not shear pins.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
ladies and gentlemen, oh, come on, Don't do it.
Come on, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
There's some of the US listeners going like what's a
snowblower?
It's like a lawnmower for yoursnow, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, but the blades spin forwards, not downwards.
If any of you don't know what asnowblower is on the off chance
, look up snowblowers mounted onthe front of trains.
They'll freak you the hell out.
Yeah, those are pretty wild.
They are very wild anyways.
(00:36):
Enough talking about trains.
Hey everyone, I'm Brad fromCalgary.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
This is Sean from Cambridge Ontario.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm Terry from Cornwall Ontario.
Hey, this is Larry from PitMetals, British Columbia, and
you're listening to the TowingLife Podcast welcome to the
toying life podcast, where theditches are deep, the trucks are
(01:10):
loaded, but the drivers are not.
I am your host, toman g, and,as usual, I'm joined by my
co-host, friend and formerco-worker, the man with very
strong opinions, mr plain guywhat is going on?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
g.
What is going on?
well, my voice sounds a lotdeeper in my head, but I have no
idea what I actually sound like, because I can't remember what
the last episode sounded likeit's funny actually, because
when we first sat down to starttalking and you didn't bring it
up until now, so I was gonnaleave it alone I was like, oh
shit, gee, hit puberty like heman, why does this guy sound so
(01:43):
mature?
And then I realized I was like,oh, he must be sick or
something going on, becausethat's a shame.
I I really did think, um, thatwe, you and I, were going to
have to have the talk about thebirds and the bees, um, and
coming into manhood and what itmeant, um, and what those dreams
are that you're having a night,but it turns out it turns out
(02:04):
that it's just a cold um, itcould turn into the man flu,
which you weren't right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I've heard is worse than childbirth speaking of,
have you seen the new jimmy carrspecial on netflix where he has
to talk with that one young boy?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
um, okay, maybe I didn't hear, so anyways, the yes
.
You know what about the?
Okay Off topic.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You went to see Jimmy Carr.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, that exact set is what I seen.
I sat down and I watched mostof the special.
I hadn't finished it, I wasabout halfway through, but that
set was exactly what he was ontour the doing when we went and
seen him in Toronto a year ago,or something along those lines.
Yeah, I know it's a.
It's a great.
Uh, it's a great set.
Um, but I don't know, I can'tsay the story specifically.
(02:48):
He did pick on a kid in ouraudience as well, but I don't
know.
I haven't watched it to see ifit was the same.
You know, same way they.
Obviously there should belittle variations, but yeah,
yeah, jimmy carter's andeverything.
Yeah, jimmy, yeah yeah, I thinkit was the same.
Yeah, it's probably the same.
Uh, same skit yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So if you haven't seen jimmy carr's new special on
netflix, I would highlyrecommend going and checking it
out.
He's trying a little bit morelong form comedy, beautiful,
beautiful I'm uh, I'm a bigcomedy fan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I watch a lot of stand-up comedians.
It's one of my things I lovedoing.
Most of the podcasts I listento of stand-up comedians it's
one of my things I love doing.
Most of the podcasts I listento are stand-up comedians that
have podcasts, and I watchedover, uh, last week.
Um, I had to watch it over likethree sittings.
It was the roast of tom brady.
Now, it is not for anyone thatwants to watch it.
You do not have to be afootball fan.
(03:41):
I want to get that out there.
Um, you can get a lot of thejokes, um, even without.
Obviously, there's some thatyou just won't get I'm sure even
me no, there's gonna be jokes.
You're just not gonna understand, which is completely
understandable.
You will not understand whyrandy moss did not have a ring
in new england.
(04:01):
Like you'll get that, like youwon't under, you won't have a
clue, no.
But um, there is, and this wasstreamed live on netflix the day
that it came out.
The sunday was actually a liveevent kevin hart hosted.
That should say enough rightthere.
The darkness of the things thatI heard on that show, like the
(04:23):
it borderline, puts chapelle toshame.
Really like yes there is momentsand I am a very conservative
person in the way that I Ibelieve that people should be
able to say whatever they want,as long as it's used in the
proper context, right or usingcomedy, and not used as a direct
attack on somebody.
I'm all for that.
Mind you, these are attacksbecause that's why it's called a
(04:44):
roast, but they went to thingswhere I went oh my god, you
can't say that like I laughed myass off at it, but I was like
you can't say that.
So be sure to check it out.
I won't give any spoilers onthe jokes, but let's just say,
with all the political timesthat are going on, with things
like you know, rappers like pdiddy, uh, the israel, um,
(05:08):
palestine conflict, um, theytouch on all of it at one point
or another in it.
So, yes, it is very um.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
If you get offended easily, you probably won't be
working if you get offendedeasily, why are you watching our
show?
Because you're probably.
Well, that's what I was goingto say.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You're probably not going to be in the towing
industry long enough, so we'llsay hi, goodbye.
It was nice of you to stop by,but, yes, if you want a good
laugh, it's about three hourslong.
No commercial straight through.
There's goods and there's highsand there's lows.
There's bad parts.
(05:47):
But if you've watched it, I wantto hear about it.
Right like, let me know in thechat, if you watched it, what
you thought.
Was it, you know, as as toughas what I'm saying it is, or was
it soft for your liking?
So I'll be able to judge ouraudience based on their answer
to that question.
Uh, you can let us know ifyou're watching over on youtube
down below in the comments.
Um, as usual.
If you're not, you can headover to our face, our facebook
page, the towing life podcast.
You can visit our website atwwwtowinglifeca, or you can
(06:10):
email us directly at the towinglife at gmailcom.
On our website you'll find acontact us form.
That's the main way that a lotof new listeners or or people
that we haven't receivedmessages from in the past have
been reaching out is throughthat contact us form.
So head over if you got aquestion concern anything for
the show, um, you know, or tohear your thoughts on if you
(06:31):
have watched the roast of tombrady.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You can text us over on spotify now.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yes, if you're listening over on spotify, you
will see in the episodedescription that there is an
option to text us, which will godirectly through to us.
Um, I'm not sure if we canreply.
I haven't tried that.
Um, I ran a test on my ownphone.
Um, maybe it's something, maybewe can have a little text
thread going.
But, um, be sure to check, besure to check it out.
(06:57):
Let us know what you thinkabout it.
If you haven't watched already,go ahead and watch it.
And as for the jimmy car, hugedark comedy, really enjoy it,
much darker than we are just onequick thing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Uh, with ai on the rise, I just want to know is
there any place for ai and I'mnot saying artificial
insemination for horses and cowsand stuff, I'm talking about
artificial intelligence likechat, gbt, um and stuff like
that.
Is there any place for that inthe towing industry?
Moving forward besides thispodcast?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
right.
So what she's referring to isin our last episode.
You will notice that ourdescription, our title and
everything seemed a little bitmore fancy than we're used to.
Yes, and I will be the first toadmit it, the service that we
use offered an opportunity totry out this new model that
they're running, which thecomputer listened to.
Our entire episode put togetheran entire description, a blog
(07:57):
post.
Everything else that is not I.
I enjoy writing.
I have dabbled in writing hereand there.
That was.
I mean, that was me.
I could have done that samething with a lot of work into it
, for how quick the ai did it.
So it is an ai feature.
Is ai um?
You know?
Could it be involved in thetowing industry?
(08:18):
I think so, but obviously froman admin side of things, whether
that be through dispatching,whether that be through um.
You know processing of you knowI.
I currently in our office umimplement and working on a new
project that is done throughwhat's called power apps.
(08:38):
It's a microsoft program.
It's been awesome.
Power apps forms um and thenthere's power automate and
different things like that.
So there is a certain level youcan make AI keep an eye on your
email and keywords can force itinto doing something, or it can
try and evaluate the tone of anemail, which I could use as a
(08:59):
self-review before sending out.
I haven't dabbled too much withit.
I think AI in all industries issomething that's going to come,
but it's obviously on thehands-on side of things, right,
like it can't do, it can't tow acar, not yet.
I still cannot tow a car, notyet.
Um, however, it can help in,you know, doing things.
(09:22):
It's a lot more I believe inthe automation side of things
rather than the AI side ofthings.
Um, cause it's all rules, right,just pretty much what AI is.
You can set up AI to followguidelines and rules, the same
way that you can set processesup, um to do it.
You know, like I have, if adriver requests a time off, okay
, I get a request for the timeoff.
I accepted it.
If I accepted it, does this thesteps.
(09:44):
If I rejected it, does thissteps and forwards off emails to
the appropriate departments andeverything else.
Um, but as for ai in the towingindustry, other than when it
comes to social media and allthose kind of things, I can't
see a much at this point, muchof a use for it outside of that
I think I pretty much agree witheverything you said there yeah,
(10:07):
you can't.
Until I can tell a car I'm nothiring ai no, no and uh, I think
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But let's be frank, most people in the towing
industry I want to say amajority of them are in the
older demographic.
Still, that is changing, butthat's just what it is and
unfortunately they're not, youknow, not so uppity with the
times, I guess you could say.
And they've done it the sameway for 20, 30 years and it
(10:36):
hasn't failed them yet.
So why would they change now?
And you can't really fault themfor that I'd like to see.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I mean, maybe there's an option in dispatching that
it could go into somehow.
Maybe maybe it can coordinatecalls and and dispatch trucks
out at a more efficient rate orwith a system like you have
where all your trucks are gps'dand everything and you're using
tow soft.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Shout out to tow soft and it's got that whole system
already built in that it canaccess and play with.
I could see something like thatgoing on and then that's
replacing a dispatcher's job.
I wouldn't want to switch overa call taker's job to AI,
because people get pretty pissedoff when there's AI in
drive-thrus now, let alone whena car breaks down inside a
highway and they call yourfriendly local tow company and
(11:21):
they get talked to by a robot.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think that would Wait through what drives
throughs or what fast foods have.
Ai now am I.
Am I missing?
How do you know about this?
And you're dink ass down thatyou're from of five people well,
no, I'm seeing it on theinternets.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
People are going into drive-thrus and I think it's
more so in the states like somemcdonald's drive-thrus have AIs
now and what would you like toorder today?
And then you say okay andanything else.
And then you say something else, okay and anything else.
And it's just annoying as hell,yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh yeah, I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Self-checkouts, and AI is taking over a lot of jobs
in america.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I mean I can't wait for them to be able to tell yeah
like I don't know.
I'd love to see my ai help mydrivers with billing so they
don't have stupid mistakes.
And it just goes like calculatehow much this bill should be.
I mean, it shouldn't be hard.
How many kilometers did you gothis many?
Did you use this, any of thisequipment?
Yes, yes, no, no, no, yes, okay, the bill is this much, not, I
(12:33):
don't know.
It said 50 bucks, so I'mcharging 50 bucks.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I was like that wasn't like what speaking of
equipment, we got a slide herethat I want to talk about
briefly and, uh, I'm not sure ifthis gentleman just wanted to
inflate the bill a little bitand using two sets of dollies,
but uh, we've got a picture hereof a extended cab wrecker
(12:57):
towing a toyota all-wheel drivesuv.
It's on dollies and the littletoyota is towing a tiny little
single axle trailer, which isalso on a set of dollies huh
yeah no, I've been in asituation like this before.
I had a front wheel drive buicksuv towing a u-haul trailer and
(13:19):
I was like, yeah, I can tow youboth.
It's fine, I can tow yourtrailer, we don't need to
separate it.
And when I picked up the frontend of the suv my ride height
even if I ran the front end ofthe car a little low the trailer
hitch was going to be too closeto the ground and risk causing
damages.
So I put dollies underneath theass end of this buick just to
get that hitch height that Ineeded to go safely down the
(13:41):
road and that works it alsomakes it nicer for backing up,
because now you got the two setsof tires on the ground instead
of just one pivot point.
So it slows down thatmaneuverability to when you're
trying to back up okay, I waslike pretty sure it's no pivots.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But no, I know what you mean.
It's dollies do change how avehicle will pivot on a point.
It's a slower um.
You know it's a slower to cutand a slower to come back um
scenario.
So, yeah, no, I've, I've, I'vebeen in that same situation as
you have where I've dollied avehicle um a front wheel drive
only because of the trailer tomove it off to a spot I got.
(14:20):
You think this guy chargedtwice for dollars, like you
think if you had a set fee of 40, let's say if you had dolly or
whatever his pricing is.
I don't want to get chewedapart in the comments because I
said you know a stupidly low ora stupidly high price for
dollies.
Do you think he charged twice?
I'm a big believer in billingwhat you use.
(14:40):
I'm also a big believer inbilling what you need.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
If you think about it , this situation he's only going
to carry one set of dollies onhis truck.
So either this was in his yardand he grabbed another set of
dollies off of another vehiclejust to fuck around and find out
, or he had to have someone comeand bring him another set of
dollies, in which case you'vegot another vehicle.
You're at least gonna have togo to a shop and grab another
set of dollies, in which caseyou've got another vehicle.
You're at least gonna have togo to a shop and grab another
set of dollies and load them uponto your truck somehow and then
(15:11):
use them in the field.
So you should really becharging more if or like.
We don't know the full story.
We only see half the picture ofthis little trailer.
The other wheel could be off orflat or whatever, and the guy
one of the chances like the suv.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
This little trailer the other wheel could be off or
flat or whatever, and the guy?
One of the chances like the suvis dead and the trailer is dead
.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
One of the you know what I mean or has an issue now
I could hit a nail on thedriver's side of the vehicle and
pop the trailer tire and therear tire.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
The fair, nice, fair enough that there's a
possibility.
Um, you'd have to double checkin on what the legality is in
your area for doing this Right.
But the other question I have,and again it comes down to
legality maybe the trailerwasn't plated and could not
travel on the road.
Where dollying the trailerwould eliminate that, even
(15:59):
though it's being drawn behind atow truck?
There's, you know, depending onyour region, different things
apply to that.
Maybe it's something like that.
Maybe you couldn't have thosewheels in the ground because it
wasn't plated, or or insured, or, you know, depending on what
the requirements are for thatarea.
I don't know.
There's nothing in the.
You know, even the descriptionsays double dollies who all
pulled this off before.
I thought it was pretty coolwhen my customer showed me this
(16:20):
picture, and this is posted bywrecker warehouse of texas llc.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But he's saying that it was his customer showed him
this picture, so we have no idea.
So it's another companysomewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So we don't know where, um, where, how, what the
circumstances behind any of itare, but it is.
It is a cool photo.
It is something different tosee.
Um, you know, I'd like to knowthe reasoning behind it.
Can't really see any safetychains or anything else.
Also, it's a self-loader, itlooks like.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I don't see any straps on the dollies either.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But again he's in a parking lot at this point, I'm
not, I'm not, uh, I'm not a uhcriticize you for a photo on
nothing secured.
I mean, I've moved shit aroundtoo I've moved shit around for a
long distance that I reallyshouldn't have before I will
never admit to any of thatbecause I don't know what can be
(17:11):
used in a court of law againstus at this point uh, what do you
mean?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
it's, I'm just taking it from this parking lot to
this parking lot, sir, that's 60miles away from here.
Well, it's just a quick shunt.
I don't know what you'retalking about?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm bringing it to the next safest spot.
What about that parking lot?
That's private property?
That doesn't look safe.
The next safest spot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I know a guy got shot there last year.
That's not safe yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There's definitely loopholes in towing and people
are going to find a way, one wayor another, to exploit them.
You may be those people.
Um, the other thing we reallywant to get into I thought it
was cool.
A company called clover towingposted this up and we talk about
we always like to talk aboutdifferent equipment, different
tools, different ideas forthings.
Now we kind of had the sameconversation where this seems
(17:59):
like a very simple um one use.
I don't know what their otherplans are for it, but what it is
, it's a newer style DodgeSprinter van with a motorcycle.
I don't think that's just aramp G, I think that's one of
those like loading, like a fullloading mechanism.
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(18:21):
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(18:42):
it ideal for any type of bike.
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So it's a Sprinter van that youknow hauls motorcycles around.
(19:03):
I'm not going gonna shit on it,first of all because I like the
idea, even just looking at theramp, like you can use that
sprinter van for anything, rightlike that ramp system is what
like?
what do you think you're?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
using it for this.
This, uh, it's actually a promaster van by the looks of it,
um, sorry.
So it's got this ramp thatcomes out the back with a little
, uh, shuttle system on it, yeah, a tray system that goes down.
You lock the front tire andthen it looks like there's
either a hand crank or anelectric winch at the top of the
ramp winches the bike up andthen I'm hoping there's another
(19:39):
winch at the front of the van toactually drag this ramp up and
into the van.
My problem with this is andthere's a couple it's very
single use.
You're spending $30,000,$40,000 on a van and all the
equipment for it, when you couldprobably get a little single
axle trailer for about $10,000,you could even put the same ramp
(20:02):
setup that you've got in thisvan into a trailer and then you
have a designated trailer.
My problem with this is is okay, you say, okay, I'm gonna buy
this piece of uh, this van foran asset for my company, but
then you do something like thisto it and you're like, okay,
well, I've lost the ability tohaul around airbags with it,
(20:23):
because if that's my only tool.
Well, if you say this is thevehicle I'm going to haul around
airbags with, you're probablygoing to leave airbags in it.
And then, oh, I've got amotorcycle tow, I've got to take
the airbags out.
Well, it's a tow on amotorcycle.
Now you've got an airbag.
Call come in.
So you're switching thingsaround.
(20:43):
Anyways, if you're going tohave a designated piece of
equipment to do a designated job, make it ready for that job
right where a $10,000 trailerwould do the same role that this
van is doing and anything inyour fleet can tow that trailer.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think is a lot better okay, so let's use the
argument of that with thetrailer.
So, that being said, would younot?
So you're arguing that it's aone-trick pony in sense.
Right, it's a one-trick ponybecause so they don't have to
switch and put the airbags in itand possibly take the airbags
out.
Well, the trailer would be thesame thing.
Then you would say, by havingan airbag trailer.
(21:19):
Well, it's a one-trick pony,because all I can do is haul
your airbags around.
Now I need a separate trailerfor the motorcycle.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, but you're also talking about a $30,000 to
$40,000 van or a $10,000 trailer.
Hell for an airbag trailer.
You probably only need like a$5,000 trailer.
They don't need to be very big,100%.
Well, I'm saying dollars todonuts for the return of
investment and practical use foryour company.
(21:44):
But then you still need a yeah,yes, but if you're a company,
now, how many times have we raninto this situation?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
you and I worked for a company which we loved, where
they bought a, a van, or not avan a trailer.
We had a pretty much adedicated motorcycle trailer.
That was a very simple conceptthat just had a wheel chalk
mounted in it with some extratie-down rings.
That trailer was very, veryversatile.
Yes, it could be used formultiple things, if need be,
correct.
(22:13):
Yep, how many times were you wewere towing that now, instead
of losing?
Our theory was, instead oflosing a flatbed, we can set a
wrecker right because thewrecker can tow the trailer and
put the motorcycle inside.
But then you had to tow thetrailer back empty all the time,
like we don't know whatclover's business model is right
.
I looked them up.
Um, just based off their areacode.
(22:34):
They're in southwestern britishcolumbia.
We can't neither of us knowwhat their bike volume is true.
Their bike volume alone mightjustify this.
Not to mention how many timeswhen you showed up with that
trailer that the enclosedversion of this right, how many
times were customers thrilled?
They loved it?
Through the moon, through 100,they would.
(22:56):
They would rather see it onthat than than inside or just on
the back of a flatbed every day.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They'd rather not see it because it's in an enclosed
trailer and seeing it on theback of a flatbed yeah, 100,
it's the back of the flatbed.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You got to pull it on .
You got whatever.
This is rolls in like a trailer, like Like it's designed
specifically for that.
Yeah, but this to pull yourfirst of all.
Have you ever loaded orunloaded a set of airbags?
No, I didn't think so.
Okay, don't get me wrong.
They're not pleasant to haularound, correct?
But I mean, in a situation likeif you needed to load airbags
(23:28):
into this van, it's not aproblem.
And don't forget, an airbag jobfor the most part that is not a
hat yeah, exactly right.
There's planning, there'scoordination, there's everything
that goes into it.
So the time that it takes toload them up is kind of part of
the job.
So it is practical that itcould still haul you know,
cleanup material.
Who knows?
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This thing could have a fullbattery rack inside it where
it's selling, installingbatteries or or being used, you
know, probably for service callsin between stuff.
So instead of getting a servicecar, it went a little bit
bigger and got something thatcan be not just a service car.
This thing isn't just dedicatedto tire changes, boosts, unlocks
.
It's still probably moreefficient than setting a
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full-size tow truck again justcost If we want to go donuts and
dollars right.
And instead of getting asmaller car, they've now taken
the idea, like we have, of aPrius and made it be able to do
a lot more.
So I don't think it's a onetrick pony.
I think they're introducing itas a motorcycle.
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Clover towing, I believe, hasbeen out there.
I've I've heard that namebefore out in southwestern
British Columbia, you know.
Obviously they're adecent-sized fleet if they're
adding that kind of equipment toit too, like that is not
something that a two-truckmom-and-pop shop adds, you know,
and there's probably peoplethat are smarter than you and I
behind making some of thesedecisions.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But I imagine there's other purposes for that banner.
There's another revenue streamplanned within that van.
Yep, oh, no, no way am I.
Yeah, what's up?
Yeah, like if that revenuestream for that specific unit
was strictly based on, like,just bike.
Unless you have regular, youknow, and and maybe they do,
maybe they have have massiveamounts of motorcycle trips that
come through there.
Maybe they're doing in thesummertime and even part of the
winter, depending on what partof BC you're in.
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Maybe they're doing motorcyclesdaily, where that kind of tool
makes sense.
For me, a van dedicated simplyto motorcycles wouldn't make
sense For you.
You know, in your area probablywouldn't either.
No, but like Daytona Beach,maybe Something like that might
make sense for you.
You know, in your area probablywouldn't either.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, um, but like daytona beach, maybe something
like that might make sense rightI'm a british columbia I'm a
firm believer in the trailerthing, because if you've got a
full down ramp, atvs,snowmobiles, gotta help your
buddy move right.
It's gonna be harder toespecially like.
I'm not sure how easy this rampdevice is able to get in and
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out of the van or how much roomit takes up when it's actually
folded up in the in the vanitself.
Um to where?
What else can you actually putin the back of this van?
Obviously, clover towing is morethan well of a big enough
company to where this makessense for them.
Right, they wouldn't have donethis if it didn't make financial
sense.
I'm just coming out from aperspective of it wouldn't make
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sense for me.
So I'm criticizing it for thatrealistically, because there's
cheaper, easier alternatives outthere.
Does it make my way better?
No, doesn't make their waybetter.
Who knows?
But for me personally in myarea, having a dedicated van
just for bikes and service callsjust you know, just doesn't
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grab, doesn't get my gears inmotion like something else would
you know what.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's funny that you say that, it's great that you
know I.
I really think this cold andthis deep voice and this puberty
in which you've hit is reallymaturing you.
Oh, really, because it's niceto admit, to say that just
because it's not something Icould use or a tool that I think
would be beneficial for asituation that I can see,
doesn't mean it's a stupid tool.
If the Internet could just be alittle more on board with that,
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it would be great, right.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Like I don't know.
That could be a little morelike G, it'd be a better place.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, no G in this.
In this state of mind that heis in right now, I wouldn't want
the internet to be more likeyou.
Want a day to day basis.
Come on, but no cause.
I don't know if you rememberback when there was a post going
around on social media I don'tknow if you've seen it and it
was about a guy asking um orexplaining to people a, a GM
approved method of towing.
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I don't remember what kind ofvehicle was.
It was one that caught me offguard um, that you wouldn't
expect to be able to run withoutdollies.
It was an all wheel driveversion that you could run front
wheel drive without dollies,and it was right there in the
owner's manual.
And and I seen that I went oh,that's interesting.
I want to say it was like anequinox or something.
I don't remember the specifictype of vehicle and I remember
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going like that's interesting,like that is something that I
will keep into the back of mymind in this situation where
maybe it's needed right, I don'tknow what like an underground
that my flatbed can't get in,and maybe the dollies are too.
I I don't know what, like anunderground that my flatbed
can't get in, and maybe thedollies are too.
I don't know a situation wheremaybe I could use that
information.
I'm not saying I'd use it on aneveryday, um, you know,
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day-to-day basis, cause it might, you know, might not be a great
idea.
I'd still rather keep an allwheel drive on a flatbed four
wheel and all wheel, twodifferent things willing to.
You know, there's somethingthat I'm willing to do things
with, there's something I'm not.
But I thought about that and Iwent like, oh, that's cool, good
information.
And then I read the goddamncomments and the comments are
just like guys are lazy, guysare stupid, don't do this.
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You're going to pay for atransmission.
Da, da, da, da, da da da nameevery excuse you'd have thrown
at you for thinking outside thebox.
And I just sat there and I wentlike cool, you might not want
to do it, I don't really overlywant to do it.
Like I still believe I wouldput that on a bed.
But don't beat the shit out ofsomebody for giving a tool that
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you can use Again.
We've ran into this before.
Backpole hitches was the samething.
It's a tool tool.
I'm not telling you to tow allyour goddamn cars with that
thing.
I'm not telling you to do that.
I'm not telling you to justgive that to any rookie in your
fleet and say here, go toweverything with this, but it's a
goddamn tool in the toolboxthat somebody could use at one
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point or might benefit.
I've ran into a situation whereI needed that tool.
It's the same thing with this,and there's so many goddamn
arrogant tow operators out therethat'll look for the error and
everything.
And that's what made me thinkof the van.
Right, we're like no, it's notright.
But you know it's not right forme, but maybe it's right for
somebody like, and I don't know,I feel like these arrogant
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assholes probably don't listento our show anyways, because you
know they couldn't stand.
You know people talking aboutsomething and them not being
able to give a goddamn opinionon it, um, because if they could
, they wouldn't fucking commenton social media.
I'm going on tangent um, but.
But it's true, it's nice tohear that maturity in the towing
industry where somebody can gohey, wasn't the way I would have
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done it, or something that Iwould do.
But like I'm in handy one day,I'm going to take that, I'm
going to, you know, use what Ican from it and maybe you get an
Equinox one day where you Idon't know right that you know
you can do this and move it outof a garage without it locking
up, or whatever you want to usethat tool for, or that
information for, you do not haveto apply it every goddamn day,
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but do not sit there and run upa hundred comment, absolutely
just beating the shit out ofsomebody.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right for for posting a piece of information that you
might not have known about likemost all-wheel drive vehicles,
if you pick them up from thefront, as long as you stay like
under 20 kilometers an hour, solike 10, 12, 13 mile an hour the
rear end spins freely.
So like, if you do got to getit out of that garage, you can
do that.
(31:01):
But that's not a one-trick ponybecause, like if you've ever
tried to pick up an Escapebefore, that's all-wheel drive
you might make it two feetbefore the S-end locks up on you
.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, exactly, drive, you might make it two feet
before the sn locks up on you.
Yeah, exactly right.
So, again, having thatinformation is probably a tool.
Yeah, so, um, we've stayed awayfrom a lot of.
We've tried to really gear theshow a lot more over recent time
to general towing informationand to stick away from our main
home province of ont, onlybecause, um, our listenership is
not from Ontario.
(31:34):
Some people do like hearingwhat's going on in other, you
know, other provinces or otherstates and that kind of thing.
So there has been an interestin it.
But we have for the most parttried to just get back to the
basics of towing and obviouslythe beginning of the show,
comedy, um, but there is someinteresting news coming out of
Ontario and I am I promisedmyself from the beginning that I
would do my best to stay, um,neutral on this matter.
(31:58):
I just realized this putting itup here.
I can't actually read the wholething, cause your head's in the
way, um, but I do have it openon another screen, luckily.
So I will be okay.
Your head's in the way, myhead's not, that's true, your
head's away.
So Ontario Towers.
I will read over this letter.
It is a little long-winded, Ido apologize.
However, ontario Towers arethreatening a day of action in
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May coming up in a couple weeks,and I think there's some
interesting points made in this.
I'm going to stay neutral onwhere I stand, whether I believe
or not believe in this.
I'll try my best to stayneutral because I'm not always
good at that.
I can't promise the same.
So to the Towers of Ontario, agroup of professional Towers
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from throughout Ontario havebeen in discussion as to what
steps need to be taken to getOntario government back to the
table to begin an open, honestdialogue with the towing
industry to discuss solutions tothe issues created by the
Towing and Storage Safety andEnforcement Act.
That is to see it.
We have had episodes in thepast.
If you go, look back about tosee it.
We want and need to worktowards a common goal to safely
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and efficiently service themotoring public of Ontario and
keeping Ontario's roadways openfor business through a
partnership that createsfairness, support and
sustainability to the towingindustry.
These issues include, but arenot limited to, designing it to
see a price sheet that works forall stakeholders right.
There's been obviouslyconfusion, misunderstanding,
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anger about how the maximum rateschedules came out in Ontario
and what it was to follow them,Regulations that fairly protect
the Ontario motorist towing andinsurance industry as a whole.
So in all these regulations thatwe read out back, when there is
no protection given to thetowing industry right, the
protection was getting a lot tothe consumer, to the insurance
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companies, but nothing given tothe towing industry.
Stop the abuse of rsla, section24 loophole by the insurance
industry.
This is the option, uh, underthe repair storage liens act,
section 24, where they can fileit into court.
Um, if they don't agree withthe bill, kick-starting a
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long-standing issue, uh, theyget the vehicle out right away.
Towing companies don't get themoney until either a settlement
is agreed to or the issue goesto court, which can be up to and
over a year away.
So they're pretty muchthreatening companies with
Section 24s if they don't take acut on the bill, and a lot of
companies can't afford to floatthat money for up to or over a
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year.
A fairly priced insuranceprogram for the towing industry,
including the ability to insurenew drivers, that is obviously,
and then we're seeing thatacross.
I'm seeing complaints out ofevery state, every province
right now, and the cost ofinsurance and being able to get
new drivers on has increasedsignificantly.
If you can get insurance at allright, a lot of insurance
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companies won't touch driversunder three years.
They've really pushed this intoa monopoly because a very
limited number of companies willdo it and if they do do it,
they're obviously going to do itat a massive increase or
premium.
A fair and legal program fordrivers with legal records for
which they have paid their dues.
So, in other words, allowing adriver who may have had a
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criminal conviction in the pastan option to um, you know, still
work within the industry aslong as you know a set time or
whatever is passed.
Um, oh, never mind with legalrecords for which they have paid
their dues.
Maybe not what I'm thinking cvrregulation compliance that
allows 24 7 365 service for allof ontario.
(35:35):
I don't really know what thatone is getting a fair pay for
every service, and that is a bigthing, right?
Yeah, the professional towersof this province are certainly
not opposed to the regulationsof the towing industry if
structured fairly.
It is clear that theseregulations are written, were
heavily influenced by theinsurance industry and the auto
club industry.
The towing industry's requestfor fair regulation was almost
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entirely ignored, even though wewere a stakeholder at the
meetings with the Ontariogovernment.
Despite numerous attempts overthe last five months to get the
Ontario government back to thetable with the towing industry,
who are the subject matterexperts to discuss changes that
need to be made in order to havea healthy the towing industry,
who are the subject matterexperts to discuss changes that
need to be made in order to havea healthy, sustainable towing
industry in Ontario, all linesof communication have fallen
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silent, left, with no otheroption.
Towers across the province arestarting to withdraw their
services from the police,excluding life-endangering
situations.
This withdrawal is not intendedto affect our regular customer
base, only tow requests forwhich we are not guaranteed
payment.
The first withdrawal will be at12 pm May 17th and continue
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until 8 am May 21st.
These scheduled withdrawalswill continue until the Ontario
government agrees to open ameaningful dialogue with the
towing industry to work towardsan equitable solution for all
the towing industry.
To work towards an equitablesolution for all.
Equitable solution for all.
We understand this may not bepossible for everyone to
participate.
However, it is important torecognize that this is your
livelihood, your business, yourindustry and we believe it is
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worth fighting for.
We do not condone any violenceor acts of illegal activity.
We are simply asking theontario government to get back
to the table with the towingindustry.
We are the only responder to aprovincial municipal roadway
that is not publicly funded and,as such, we must have assurance
of payment to perform our work.
The towing industry is under nolegal obligation to clear
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Ontario roadways.
We must be paid for our work.
It is time for the insuranceindustry, provincial and
municipal governments, policeagencies and auto clubs to
recognize the invaluable servicetow companies provide day in
and day out, 365 days a year.
We ask that you put aside yourdifferences for the betterment
and fair treatment of the towingindustry and better future for
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us all.
This is your equipment, yourbusiness, your livelihood, your
profession and your future.
Know your worth, put yourchains down and take a
well-deserved long weekend off.
So I'm sorry, that is a long,little long-winded.
I do apologize, not my words um, and and it is words and I mean
it's up on the screen, I don'thave to call it out um, it's
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words by a, a verywell-respected, uh, professional
in the towing industry withinOntario.
A lot of people know thisperson.
Yeah, a hundred percent, and Iif you're on YouTube, you can
find the name pretty easy.
I support the message.
I do.
I agree in all of those things.
However and this is where Iwill stay neutral but give an
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opinion somehow the governmenthas not fully even launched the
program.
The final stages has not evencome in.
I agree with everything thatyou say.
The payment part has been a bigthing from the beginning.
Right, a lot of this has beenbig for beginning.
Two things this legislation waswritten and available up to a
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year before it came out.
You're right.
Maybe, maybe the towingindustry, as a stakeholder, was
at the table and and thoughtthat they would have more
influence before the it startedto come into effect.
Maybe, right, obviously therewas meetings that were held.
Obviously, opinions wereignored.
I don't deny any of these things.
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But when the program isn'tfully even incorporated yet,
right, it's not, it hasn't fullylaunched yet and you are going
to them pretty muchfundamentally wanting to change
this from the ground up, toincorporate these things and to
stop these practices and toincorporate all these good
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things that I believe are goodthings for the industry that we
need.
I feel like I need to keepreminding reminding myself and
the listener of that.
They're not taking our calls,they're not negotiating with us,
they're not sitting down at thetable?
Of course not.
They're too busy trying tomanage this program.
That they launched this program?
Well, you got to remember whenthe TSEA regulations were
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drafted.
If you want to say the originalidea behind TSEA was to do what
?
Right?
What was it to do, gene, inyour opinion?
What do you think Tasea wasbuilt to do?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Well, it was to throw more regulations at the
industry that had very little tobegin with, to make the bad
actors within the industry thatwere just skating by and
mistreating customers andconsumers to where they would
either have to smarten up andget with the program and provide
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fair service for a fair priceor get out of the industry
entirely.
100%.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Has Tasea done that, and this isn't a direct question
, this is more of a.
You know that is the questionat hand.
Has Tasea, in its early infancy, been able to do that?
I think to see it has takensteps in order to do that.
Is there more progressive waysor more efficient ways to do it?
I think it's possible.
I think any program thatlaunches like this is not going
to be, you know, a one from thebeginning, but you cannot expect
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them to redesign the programand I know they're not using the
word redesign but you cannotexpect them to veer far enough
off course with with the requestthat, again, I believe the
requests are reasonable.
I just don't think that aprogram launching in this state,
like where it's at it hasn'teven come fully into effect yet
that you can implement thosechanges.
(41:28):
To see, it was meant to givethe government teeth.
To give the government teeth inorder to eliminate these bad
actors, as you so say.
Right, and the act does that.
The act does give thegovernment teeth, right.
The act gives the governmentteeth against possibly good
towers too, and that was a fear,I mean.
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How many times, though, have weseen this over and over and
over again?
Like unfortunately, goodplayers are going to fall
because of Tessia.
Yeah, it's an unfortunatereality.
It is from the day that yourequested, or you know needed,
to be regulated by thegovernment because we couldn't
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self-regulate.
I'm from the government, I'mhere to help, right?
We've said that line out heremultiple times.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Episode four I think, is when we first said that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, I can give an example of those stories.
My dad would tell me where theMinistry of Labor couldn't
really touch farms, especiallyfamily farms, because they
weren't workers, right.
But then there was having allkinds of injuries and all kinds
of issues and we want your help.
And then they came in, but thenthey didn't like the help that
they got.
Right.
The towing industry wentthrough a very similar phase
with that.
Right, we need your help to getrid of all these terrible
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people that are chargingabsorbent amounts on the highway
and everything and making therest of us look bad.
Well, guess what happened whenthe ministry got involved in
some of those family farms, whenthe rules started to come into
play and they had to follow them, there was many good family
farms that took the hit too.
Yep, these are the naturalprogressions of these.
Now, I'm not saying just sitback and not accept.
You know and accept that thischange is the be all, end all.
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And I do respect the fact thatwhat they are saying is not that
we are going to do aprovince-wide strike of any
sorts or day of action.
It is only for police requestedtows, other than if there is a,
you know, imminent danger tosomebody, right?
So what that means is if thepolice call you because a
vehicle is partially submergedin water and they need the tow
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truck to, you know, support thevehicle, whatever the case may
be, they will say yes.
But if you call me for a vanthat is rolled over and hit a
box, culvert on the 401 a 500van that I know is just going to
end up owning in my yard,because I have no guarantee of
payment and no legalrepercussion other than just let
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the towing company deal with it, they can scrap it and get
their money back.
Other Other than that I'm notresponding to that call.
That is the step that they wantto take, which isn't a terrible
step.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I think from reading this letter, it states that they
were in the decision-makingboard when these regulations
were brought into effect, and Idon't disagree with that or
drafted, even Drafted even.
I think what honestly happenedwas you've got the governing
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body and you've got lobbyistsfrom the insurance companies,
auto clubs and, of course, thetowing industry there.
Well, the government looks downand they see the auto clubs
that make billions, maybe abillion dollars, and pay taxes
on that, and they see theinsurance companies that do the
same, and then they see thetoying industry sitting there
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and and I believe up to threedifferent associations
represented in that yep.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
And so when they went to the roadsides they went hey,
big roadside, okay cool.
Hey, insurance companies, youguys are all on the same page?
Yes, we are.
And then you got three bands ofdifferent groups of towers.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That are all bickering amongst each other
probably, or we can't ever getit on the same page.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Exactly right, there's different views that
each of them have, just withdifferent boards of directors.
I'm not saying one's right andone's wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Um, just you know, they're not a collective group,
I don't think as much as theseroad guides insurance were and I
honestly think it might havebeen pushed to the wayside all
these other things when theoriginal thing was drafted,
because, like you said, whatthis was drafted for was to get
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the bad actors out of theindustry.
And whenever the governmentsays, I'm from the government,
I'm here to help, there's alwaysoverreach, and that's what
we're seeing.
Obviously, the time to say thisis what we need was a year and
a half ago, two years ago, whenthis was being brought up.
Unfortunately, it's the sameanalogy of when was the best
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time to plant a tree.
The best time was yesterday.
The second best time is now.
Um, and unfortunately my side ofthings, if we don't get on this
and saying, hey, we don't agreewith this, we need to do
something about this, if we letit sit for another year or two,
the chances of them changingsomething goes down.
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If we start making a little bitof noise and say, hey, we need
to relook at some of thesethings, I think we have a better
opportunity to get this in now,because it is still in its
infancy.
Nothing's set in stone yet perse right, set in stone yet per
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se right.
Um, the fact that they're notactually coming and talking to
us.
Like you said, they're busydoing other things, but they're
still.
They still need to listen tothe industry, because if the
industry goes poof overnight, itwill never go poof overnight.
But let's say you lose.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
There's always some dumb millionaire with money
somewhere yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
But if you lose all these big rapid pull towing
companies because they just sayyou know what?
I've made decent money over thelast 30 years.
My family set, my kids are set.
I'm just done.
I'm not gonna play by theseunfair rules anymore.
Who's gonna suffer the most?
It's gonna be the the policeofficers that didn't request
this that now have to deal withsubpar service.
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It's going to be the the policeofficers that didn't request
this that now have to deal withsubpar service.
It's going to be the consumersthat are now going to have to
deal with subpar service.
It's going to be everyoneexcept the towing industry.
Whoever's left in the towingindustry trying to pick up the
pieces after all, these goodplayers just exited.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
But that's what I mean.
I'm not saying that I want tosee good players exit, but if
you can go, you know you getthrough the three years of this
program Right, and good playerswill.
You know, some good playerswill make it, some good players
won't.
It's the reality of it and Idon't want to see anybody not
make it.
You get through these threeyears of it and you go.
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You don't think you're in abetter spot to be able to
approach the government as acollective whole and go look,
when you brought out to see it,it was to do this.
Yes, you have accomplished that.
If you look, this has gone down.
This has gone down.
You know what you set outsucceeded.
You eliminated the bad actorswithin the towing industry.
You took a lot of good oneswith them, unfortunately, but
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you, you know what I mean.
You lowered, you know these,these incidents of major fraud
and everything else.
Like you, you've done that so,but now the industry is not
sustainable.
We have floated and we havefought through this with you to
get, to help you achieve thegoal that you were at.
But the profit, you know, Imean the business model isn't
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sustainable and we are going tostart having to pull out of
stuff, but the problem isthey're not willing to talk
currently if they're not willingto talk, you can't have that
conversation.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
They're not talking.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I know, but I'm not asking to have that conversation
right now.
I'm asking let this program runits course, let it get to its
point.
You say that you know what'sgoing to happen is the cops are
going to have to deal withsubpar service, that this is
going to have to deal with sub.
That's when the change is goingto need to happen.
Yeah, right now.
Unfortunately, there's a lot ofgood companies in this province
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and there's a lot of fuckingbad ones.
There is a lot of bad companiesright, and we're seeing, and
some bad companies are stillthriving.
You know, and you're seeing thebills and you're seeing that.
You know and I'm not wanting tocriticize someone's books unless
you're there it's very hard toyou know.
Know what you would havecharged or what you would have
done, yep, but we know thatthere was corruption in our
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industry.
We know that.
The people that wrote thisletter know that, and I get it.
You do not want to see a singlegood tower get taken out or
forced out or pushed out whenwe've already seen them drop
because you're right, they sayscrew it, I'm near retirement,
anyways done, and then you got.
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You know, you do have somebigger companies that are
thriving off that and expandingtheir territory, and some of
those big companies aren't greatcompanies either, right, but
you can't.
You have to let the programfully come into place.
You're going to lose goodoperators, so you can use this
as a virtue signaling.
You know what I mean?
Hey, I no person left behindand I have a lot of respect for
(50:11):
this poster.
I have a a lot of respect forthis poster.
I have a huge amount of respectfor this poster.
I've had many conversations overthe years of this poster and I
you know, I, you know, if you'relistening.
I want you to be aware of that.
It's nothing personal whereeveryone has different views.
You, in my opinion, though Istill don't believe this is the
right approach.
Right, I believe in everythingthat you were saying.
(50:34):
I believe and I would love tosee all of that the end of the
day, good businesses are goingto fall because of this and
unfortunately it's business.
Good businesses have fallenmany times because of changes to
an industry.
Right, do everything you can tonot be that good business If
you care enough to want tocontinue in this industry.
If you do not, I mean, I wouldnever fault a guy for, at this
(50:54):
point, getting out of it withall the changes, like we had.
Friends of ours that you knowshut the doors and moved on
hindsight.
I think it was the right timefor them, nope all right I don't
think all these changes wouldhave been so.
You know, it's just it's, it'spart of the game and
unfortunately, it's a game thatwe went on taking advantage of,
(51:15):
whether we did directly or youknow, to the.
You know, some of us did it tobigger extents than others, but
it was a system that wasunregulated, that we took it,
that was taken advantage of fora long time.
The overreaction is here.
Find a way to make, instead oftaking the time saying stop
doing this police work, workwith towers on ways to be able
(51:41):
to get through this, whetherthat be crossing your T's and
dotting your I's, to make surethat consents are taken care of,
to make sure that you know whatI mean People are taking these
regulations seriously, thatthey're not going to get screwed
on a $5,000 bill on a storageinvoice because they didn't do a
proper notification where theydidn't do a proper consent or
all that.
Like, take the time, you knowwhat I mean.
Like, let's take our resourcesand help build up the good
companies in these situations,rather than taking that same
(52:06):
energy and applying it to justthis, this day of action, this,
this idea, this you know it'sagain, I have all the respect
for you in the world.
I just don't agree.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
I.
I think it's not even so muchthe day of action part, it's
just trying to get the communityof towers together, because I
think that that's always beenone of our biggest weaknesses in
this industry is 100.
We don't have the ability tocome together as a collective
whole right.
And I'm not advocating for atowing union or something.
(52:43):
I think the organizations arejust fine, but I think more
people need to get involved inthe organizations and actually
be able to get involved with theability to lobby and have their
voice be heard.
And I think that's what this isa main call for.
It's saying, hey, this is whatwe're doing, we want to be able
(53:04):
to get the word out and get thatsupport behind them.
So then when push does come toshove and they get to be able to
talk to the government again,they actually listen to us and
(53:24):
say we are hurting, we arebleeding financially for this
reason and this reason and itcould be no fault of our own,
because other the cards arestacked against us and we need
to fix this.
And here are some possiblesolutions to fix this problem,
because if you come to me with aproblem with no solution, well
(53:44):
then you haven't really thoughtabout the problem too hard and
that you just got to haveeverything fully thought out,
and I think, with more peoplestanding behind them, it's going
to be easier.
And I think that's just whatthis is for it's a call to
action to get that support thatthey need, regardless of how
much of an impact it actuallyhas in the now of stopping
(54:06):
service.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
That is fair.
You know what that's?
What's great about the show isthat we can have two different
views to it, two different sidesto it.
Um, we can have a conversationabout all the things that people
shouldn't have a conversationabout or, you know, say that you
shouldn't talk about, or youknow what I mean.
It doesn't have to be anargument.
It can be an an honest, open,uh, discussion about it.
So, um, no hard feelings to youknow, whether it be the poster
or anyone who thought otherwise.
(54:28):
Um, that is kind of starting towrap up towards our time.
It took a little longer than wewere expecting.
I know we did miss one thing.
It's something we can gladlyget to on the next week's
episode.
So, yeah, let us hear yourthoughts.
Right, if you are a tower inOntario and you've seen this
call for a day to action or thiscall to action period, I guess
(54:49):
it's a weekend of action.
Let me know what your thoughtsare.
You can.
You know you can send us a text.
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Grade 8 bolts are not shear pins.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
ladies and gentlemen, oh, come on, Don't do it.
Come on, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
There's some of the US listeners going like what's a
snowblower?
It's like a lawnmower for yoursnow, okay.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Yeah, but the blades spin forwards, not downwards.
If any of you don't know what asnowblower is on the off chance
, look up snowblowers mounted onthe front of trains.
They'll freak you the hell out.
Yeah, those are pretty wild.
They are very wild anyways.
(00:36):
Enough talking about trains.
Hey everyone, I'm Brad fromCalgary.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
This is Sean from Cambridge Ontario.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm Terry from Cornwall Ontario.
Hey, this is Larry from PitMetals, British Columbia, and
you're listening to the TowingLife Podcast welcome to the
toying life podcast, where theditches are deep, the trucks are
(01:10):
loaded, but the drivers are not.
I am your host, toman g, and,as usual, I'm joined by my
co-host, friend and formerco-worker, the man with very
strong opinions, mr plain guywhat is going on?
Speaker 1 (01:20):
g.
What is going on?
well, my voice sounds a lotdeeper in my head, but I have no
idea what I actually sound like, because I can't remember what
the last episode sounded likeit's funny actually, because
when we first sat down to starttalking and you didn't bring it
up until now, so I was gonnaleave it alone I was like, oh
shit, gee, hit puberty like heman, why does this guy sound so
(01:43):
mature?
And then I realized I was like,oh, he must be sick or
something going on, becausethat's a shame.
I I really did think, um, thatwe, you and I, were going to
have to have the talk about thebirds and the bees, um, and
coming into manhood and what itmeant, um, and what those dreams
are that you're having a night,but it turns out it turns out
(02:04):
that it's just a cold um, itcould turn into the man flu,
which you weren't right.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
I've heard is worse than childbirth speaking of,
have you seen the new jimmy carrspecial on netflix where he has
to talk with that one young boy?
Speaker 1 (02:18):
um, okay, maybe I didn't hear, so anyways, the yes
.
You know what about the?
Okay Off topic.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
You went to see Jimmy Carr.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Yeah, that exact set is what I seen.
I sat down and I watched mostof the special.
I hadn't finished it, I wasabout halfway through, but that
set was exactly what he was ontour the doing when we went and
seen him in Toronto a year ago,or something along those lines.
Yeah, I know it's a.
It's a great.
Uh, it's a great set.
Um, but I don't know, I can'tsay the story specifically.
(02:48):
He did pick on a kid in ouraudience as well, but I don't
know.
I haven't watched it to see ifit was the same.
You know, same way they.
Obviously there should belittle variations, but yeah,
yeah, jimmy carter's andeverything.
Yeah, jimmy, yeah yeah, I thinkit was the same.
Yeah, it's probably the same.
Uh, same skit yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So if you haven't seen jimmy carr's new special on
netflix, I would highlyrecommend going and checking it
out.
He's trying a little bit morelong form comedy, beautiful,
beautiful I'm uh, I'm a bigcomedy fan.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
I watch a lot of stand-up comedians.
It's one of my things I lovedoing.
Most of the podcasts I listento of stand-up comedians it's
one of my things I love doing.
Most of the podcasts I listento are stand-up comedians that
have podcasts, and I watchedover, uh, last week.
Um, I had to watch it over likethree sittings.
It was the roast of tom brady.
Now, it is not for anyone thatwants to watch it.
You do not have to be afootball fan.
(03:41):
I want to get that out there.
Um, you can get a lot of thejokes, um, even without.
Obviously, there's some thatyou just won't get I'm sure even
me no, there's gonna be jokes.
You're just not gonna understand, which is completely
understandable.
You will not understand whyrandy moss did not have a ring
in new england.
(04:01):
Like you'll get that, like youwon't under, you won't have a
clue, no.
But um, there is, and this wasstreamed live on netflix the day
that it came out.
The sunday was actually a liveevent kevin hart hosted.
That should say enough rightthere.
The darkness of the things thatI heard on that show, like the
(04:23):
it borderline, puts chapelle toshame.
Really like yes there is momentsand I am a very conservative
person in the way that I Ibelieve that people should be
able to say whatever they want,as long as it's used in the
proper context, right or usingcomedy, and not used as a direct
attack on somebody.
I'm all for that.
Mind you, these are attacksbecause that's why it's called a
(04:44):
roast, but they went to thingswhere I went oh my god, you
can't say that like I laughed myass off at it, but I was like
you can't say that.
So be sure to check it out.
I won't give any spoilers onthe jokes, but let's just say,
with all the political timesthat are going on, with things
like you know, rappers like pdiddy, uh, the israel, um,
(05:08):
palestine conflict, um, theytouch on all of it at one point
or another in it.
So, yes, it is very um.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
If you get offended easily, you probably won't be
working if you get offendedeasily, why are you watching our
show?
Because you're probably.
Well, that's what I was goingto say.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You're probably not going to be in the towing
industry long enough, so we'llsay hi, goodbye.
It was nice of you to stop by,but, yes, if you want a good
laugh, it's about three hourslong.
No commercial straight through.
There's goods and there's highsand there's lows.
There's bad parts.
(05:47):
But if you've watched it, I wantto hear about it.
Right like, let me know in thechat, if you watched it, what
you thought.
Was it, you know, as as toughas what I'm saying it is, or was
it soft for your liking?
So I'll be able to judge ouraudience based on their answer
to that question.
Uh, you can let us know ifyou're watching over on youtube
down below in the comments.
Um, as usual.
If you're not, you can headover to our face, our facebook
page, the towing life podcast.
You can visit our website atwwwtowinglifeca, or you can
(06:10):
email us directly at the towinglife at gmailcom.
On our website you'll find acontact us form.
That's the main way that a lotof new listeners or or people
that we haven't receivedmessages from in the past have
been reaching out is throughthat contact us form.
So head over if you got aquestion concern anything for
the show, um, you know, or tohear your thoughts on if you
(06:31):
have watched the roast of tombrady.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
You can text us over on spotify now.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yes, if you're listening over on spotify, you
will see in the episodedescription that there is an
option to text us, which will godirectly through to us.
Um, I'm not sure if we canreply.
I haven't tried that.
Um, I ran a test on my ownphone.
Um, maybe it's something, maybewe can have a little text
thread going.
But, um, be sure to check, besure to check it out.
(06:57):
Let us know what you thinkabout it.
If you haven't watched already,go ahead and watch it.
And as for the jimmy car, hugedark comedy, really enjoy it,
much darker than we are just onequick thing.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Uh, with ai on the rise, I just want to know is
there any place for ai and I'mnot saying artificial
insemination for horses and cowsand stuff, I'm talking about
artificial intelligence likechat, gbt, um and stuff like
that.
Is there any place for that inthe towing industry?
Moving forward besides thispodcast?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
right.
So what she's referring to isin our last episode.
You will notice that ourdescription, our title and
everything seemed a little bitmore fancy than we're used to.
Yes, and I will be the first toadmit it, the service that we
use offered an opportunity totry out this new model that
they're running, which thecomputer listened to.
Our entire episode put togetheran entire description, a blog
(07:57):
post.
Everything else that is not I.
I enjoy writing.
I have dabbled in writing hereand there.
That was.
I mean, that was me.
I could have done that samething with a lot of work into it
, for how quick the ai did it.
So it is an ai feature.
Is ai um?
You know?
Could it be involved in thetowing industry?
(08:18):
I think so, but obviously froman admin side of things, whether
that be through dispatching,whether that be through um.
You know processing of you knowI.
I currently in our office umimplement and working on a new
project that is done throughwhat's called power apps.
(08:38):
It's a microsoft program.
It's been awesome.
Power apps forms um and thenthere's power automate and
different things like that.
So there is a certain level youcan make AI keep an eye on your
email and keywords can force itinto doing something, or it can
try and evaluate the tone of anemail, which I could use as a
(08:59):
self-review before sending out.
I haven't dabbled too much withit.
I think AI in all industries issomething that's going to come,
but it's obviously on thehands-on side of things, right,
like it can't do, it can't tow acar, not yet.
I still cannot tow a car, notyet.
Um, however, it can help in,you know, doing things.
(09:22):
It's a lot more I believe inthe automation side of things
rather than the AI side ofthings.
Um, cause it's all rules, right,just pretty much what AI is.
You can set up AI to followguidelines and rules, the same
way that you can set processesup, um to do it.
You know, like I have, if adriver requests a time off, okay
, I get a request for the timeoff.
I accepted it.
If I accepted it, does this thesteps.
(09:44):
If I rejected it, does thissteps and forwards off emails to
the appropriate departments andeverything else.
Um, but as for ai in the towingindustry, other than when it
comes to social media and allthose kind of things, I can't
see a much at this point, muchof a use for it outside of that
I think I pretty much agree witheverything you said there yeah,
(10:07):
you can't.
Until I can tell a car I'm nothiring ai no, no and uh, I think
a lot of.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
But let's be frank, most people in the towing
industry I want to say amajority of them are in the
older demographic.
Still, that is changing, butthat's just what it is and
unfortunately they're not, youknow, not so uppity with the
times, I guess you could say.
And they've done it the sameway for 20, 30 years and it
(10:36):
hasn't failed them yet.
So why would they change now?
And you can't really fault themfor that I'd like to see.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I mean, maybe there's an option in dispatching that
it could go into somehow.
Maybe maybe it can coordinatecalls and and dispatch trucks
out at a more efficient rate orwith a system like you have
where all your trucks are gps'dand everything and you're using
tow soft.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Shout out to tow soft and it's got that whole system
already built in that it canaccess and play with.
I could see something like thatgoing on and then that's
replacing a dispatcher's job.
I wouldn't want to switch overa call taker's job to AI,
because people get pretty pissedoff when there's AI in
drive-thrus now, let alone whena car breaks down inside a
highway and they call yourfriendly local tow company and
(11:21):
they get talked to by a robot.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think that would Wait through what drives
throughs or what fast foods have.
Ai now am I.
Am I missing?
How do you know about this?
And you're dink ass down thatyou're from of five people well,
no, I'm seeing it on theinternets.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
People are going into drive-thrus and I think it's
more so in the states like somemcdonald's drive-thrus have AIs
now and what would you like toorder today?
And then you say okay andanything else.
And then you say something else, okay and anything else.
And it's just annoying as hell,yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Oh yeah, I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Honestly.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I did not know.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Self-checkouts, and AI is taking over a lot of jobs
in america.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I mean I can't wait for them to be able to tell yeah
like I don't know.
I'd love to see my ai help mydrivers with billing so they
don't have stupid mistakes.
And it just goes like calculatehow much this bill should be.
I mean, it shouldn't be hard.
How many kilometers did you gothis many?
Did you use this, any of thisequipment?
Yes, yes, no, no, no, yes, okay, the bill is this much, not, I
(12:33):
don't know.
It said 50 bucks, so I'mcharging 50 bucks.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I was like that wasn't like what speaking of
equipment, we got a slide herethat I want to talk about
briefly and, uh, I'm not sure ifthis gentleman just wanted to
inflate the bill a little bitand using two sets of dollies,
but uh, we've got a picture hereof a extended cab wrecker
(12:57):
towing a toyota all-wheel drivesuv.
It's on dollies and the littletoyota is towing a tiny little
single axle trailer, which isalso on a set of dollies huh
yeah no, I've been in asituation like this before.
I had a front wheel drive buicksuv towing a u-haul trailer and
(13:19):
I was like, yeah, I can tow youboth.
It's fine, I can tow yourtrailer, we don't need to
separate it.
And when I picked up the frontend of the suv my ride height
even if I ran the front end ofthe car a little low the trailer
hitch was going to be too closeto the ground and risk causing
damages.
So I put dollies underneath theass end of this buick just to
get that hitch height that Ineeded to go safely down the
(13:41):
road and that works it alsomakes it nicer for backing up,
because now you got the two setsof tires on the ground instead
of just one pivot point.
So it slows down thatmaneuverability to when you're
trying to back up okay, I waslike pretty sure it's no pivots.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
But no, I know what you mean.
It's dollies do change how avehicle will pivot on a point.
It's a slower um.
You know it's a slower to cutand a slower to come back um
scenario.
So, yeah, no, I've, I've, I'vebeen in that same situation as
you have where I've dollied avehicle um a front wheel drive
only because of the trailer tomove it off to a spot I got.
(14:20):
You think this guy chargedtwice for dollars, like you
think if you had a set fee of 40, let's say if you had dolly or
whatever his pricing is.
I don't want to get chewedapart in the comments because I
said you know a stupidly low ora stupidly high price for
dollies.
Do you think he charged twice?
I'm a big believer in billingwhat you use.
(14:40):
I'm also a big believer inbilling what you need.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
If you think about it , this situation he's only going
to carry one set of dollies onhis truck.
So either this was in his yardand he grabbed another set of
dollies off of another vehiclejust to fuck around and find out
, or he had to have someone comeand bring him another set of
dollies, in which case you'vegot another vehicle.
You're at least gonna have togo to a shop and grab another
set of dollies, in which caseyou've got another vehicle.
You're at least gonna have togo to a shop and grab another
set of dollies and load them uponto your truck somehow and then
(15:11):
use them in the field.
So you should really becharging more if or like.
We don't know the full story.
We only see half the picture ofthis little trailer.
The other wheel could be off orflat or whatever, and the guy
one of the chances like the suv.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
This little trailer the other wheel could be off or
flat or whatever, and the guy?
One of the chances like the suvis dead and the trailer is dead
.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
One of the you know what I mean or has an issue now
I could hit a nail on thedriver's side of the vehicle and
pop the trailer tire and therear tire.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
The fair, nice, fair enough that there's a
possibility.
Um, you'd have to double checkin on what the legality is in
your area for doing this Right.
But the other question I have,and again it comes down to
legality maybe the trailerwasn't plated and could not
travel on the road.
Where dollying the trailerwould eliminate that, even
(15:59):
though it's being drawn behind atow truck?
There's, you know, depending onyour region, different things
apply to that.
Maybe it's something like that.
Maybe you couldn't have thosewheels in the ground because it
wasn't plated, or or insured, or, you know, depending on what
the requirements are for thatarea.
I don't know.
There's nothing in the.
You know, even the descriptionsays double dollies who all
pulled this off before.
I thought it was pretty coolwhen my customer showed me this
(16:20):
picture, and this is posted bywrecker warehouse of texas llc.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But he's saying that it was his customer showed him
this picture, so we have no idea.
So it's another companysomewhere.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So we don't know where, um, where, how, what the
circumstances behind any of itare, but it is.
It is a cool photo.
It is something different tosee.
Um, you know, I'd like to knowthe reasoning behind it.
Can't really see any safetychains or anything else.
Also, it's a self-loader, itlooks like.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Yeah, I don't see any straps on the dollies either.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
But again he's in a parking lot at this point, I'm
not, I'm not, uh, I'm not a uhcriticize you for a photo on
nothing secured.
I mean, I've moved shit aroundtoo I've moved shit around for a
long distance that I reallyshouldn't have before I will
never admit to any of thatbecause I don't know what can be
(17:11):
used in a court of law againstus at this point uh, what do you
mean?
Speaker 2 (17:15):
it's, I'm just taking it from this parking lot to
this parking lot, sir, that's 60miles away from here.
Well, it's just a quick shunt.
I don't know what you'retalking about?
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I'm bringing it to the next safest spot.
What about that parking lot?
That's private property?
That doesn't look safe.
The next safest spot.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I know a guy got shot there last year.
That's not safe yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
There's definitely loopholes in towing and people
are going to find a way, one wayor another, to exploit them.
You may be those people.
Um, the other thing we reallywant to get into I thought it
was cool.
A company called clover towingposted this up and we talk about
we always like to talk aboutdifferent equipment, different
tools, different ideas forthings.
Now we kind of had the sameconversation where this seems
(17:59):
like a very simple um one use.
I don't know what their otherplans are for it, but what it is
, it's a newer style DodgeSprinter van with a motorcycle.
I don't think that's just aramp G, I think that's one of
those like loading, like a fullloading mechanism.
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So it's a Sprinter van that youknow hauls motorcycles around.
(19:03):
I'm not going gonna shit on it,first of all because I like the
idea, even just looking at theramp, like you can use that
sprinter van for anything, rightlike that ramp system is what
like?
what do you think you're?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
using it for this.
This, uh, it's actually a promaster van by the looks of it,
um, sorry.
So it's got this ramp thatcomes out the back with a little
, uh, shuttle system on it, yeah, a tray system that goes down.
You lock the front tire andthen it looks like there's
either a hand crank or anelectric winch at the top of the
ramp winches the bike up andthen I'm hoping there's another
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winch at the front of the van toactually drag this ramp up and
into the van.
My problem with this is andthere's a couple it's very
single use.
You're spending $30,000,$40,000 on a van and all the
equipment for it, when you couldprobably get a little single
axle trailer for about $10,000,you could even put the same ramp
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setup that you've got in thisvan into a trailer and then you
have a designated trailer.
My problem with this is is okay, you say, okay, I'm gonna buy
this piece of uh, this van foran asset for my company, but
then you do something like thisto it and you're like, okay,
well, I've lost the ability tohaul around airbags with it,
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because if that's my only tool.
Well, if you say this is thevehicle I'm going to haul around
airbags with, you're probablygoing to leave airbags in it.
And then, oh, I've got amotorcycle tow, I've got to take
the airbags out.
Well, it's a tow on amotorcycle.
Now you've got an airbag.
Call come in.
So you're switching thingsaround.
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Anyways, if you're going tohave a designated piece of
equipment to do a designated job, make it ready for that job
right where a $10,000 trailerwould do the same role that this
van is doing and anything inyour fleet can tow that trailer.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
I think is a lot better okay, so let's use the
argument of that with thetrailer.
So, that being said, would younot?
So you're arguing that it's aone-trick pony in sense.
Right, it's a one-trick ponybecause so they don't have to
switch and put the airbags in itand possibly take the airbags
out.
Well, the trailer would be thesame thing.
Then you would say, by havingan airbag trailer.
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Well, it's a one-trick pony,because all I can do is haul
your airbags around.
Now I need a separate trailerfor the motorcycle.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Yes, but you're also talking about a $30,000 to
$40,000 van or a $10,000 trailer.
Hell for an airbag trailer.
You probably only need like a$5,000 trailer.
They don't need to be very big,100%.
Well, I'm saying dollars todonuts for the return of
investment and practical use foryour company.
(21:44):
But then you still need a yeah,yes, but if you're a company,
now, how many times have we raninto this situation?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
you and I worked for a company which we loved, where
they bought a, a van, or not avan a trailer.
We had a pretty much adedicated motorcycle trailer.
That was a very simple conceptthat just had a wheel chalk
mounted in it with some extratie-down rings.
That trailer was very, veryversatile.
Yes, it could be used formultiple things, if need be,
correct.
(22:13):
Yep, how many times were you wewere towing that now, instead
of losing?
Our theory was, instead oflosing a flatbed, we can set a
wrecker right because thewrecker can tow the trailer and
put the motorcycle inside.
But then you had to tow thetrailer back empty all the time,
like we don't know whatclover's business model is right
.
I looked them up.
Um, just based off their areacode.
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They're in southwestern britishcolumbia.
We can't neither of us knowwhat their bike volume is true.
Their bike volume alone mightjustify this.
Not to mention how many timeswhen you showed up with that
trailer that the enclosedversion of this right, how many
times were customers thrilled?
They loved it?
Through the moon, through 100,they would.
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They would rather see it onthat than than inside or just on
the back of a flatbed every day.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
They'd rather not see it because it's in an enclosed
trailer and seeing it on theback of a flatbed yeah, 100,
it's the back of the flatbed.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You got to pull it on .
You got whatever.
This is rolls in like a trailer, like Like it's designed
specifically for that.
Yeah, but this to pull yourfirst of all.
Have you ever loaded orunloaded a set of airbags?
No, I didn't think so.
Okay, don't get me wrong.
They're not pleasant to haularound, correct?
But I mean, in a situation likeif you needed to load airbags
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into this van, it's not aproblem.
And don't forget, an airbag jobfor the most part that is not a
hat yeah, exactly right.
There's planning, there'scoordination, there's everything
that goes into it.
So the time that it takes toload them up is kind of part of
the job.
So it is practical that itcould still haul you know,
cleanup material.
Who knows?
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This thing could have a fullbattery rack inside it where
it's selling, installingbatteries or or being used, you
know, probably for service callsin between stuff.
So instead of getting a servicecar, it went a little bit
bigger and got something thatcan be not just a service car.
This thing isn't just dedicatedto tire changes, boosts, unlocks
.
It's still probably moreefficient than setting a
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full-size tow truck again justcost If we want to go donuts and
dollars right.
And instead of getting asmaller car, they've now taken
the idea, like we have, of aPrius and made it be able to do
a lot more.
So I don't think it's a onetrick pony.
I think they're introducing itas a motorcycle.
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Clover towing, I believe, hasbeen out there.
I've I've heard that namebefore out in southwestern
British Columbia, you know.
Obviously they're adecent-sized fleet if they're
adding that kind of equipment toit too, like that is not
something that a two-truckmom-and-pop shop adds, you know,
and there's probably peoplethat are smarter than you and I
behind making some of thesedecisions.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But I imagine there's other purposes for that banner.
There's another revenue streamplanned within that van.
Yep, oh, no, no way am I.
Yeah, what's up?
Yeah, like if that revenuestream for that specific unit
was strictly based on, like,just bike.
Unless you have regular, youknow, and and maybe they do,
maybe they have have massiveamounts of motorcycle trips that
come through there.
Maybe they're doing in thesummertime and even part of the
winter, depending on what partof BC you're in.
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Maybe they're doing motorcyclesdaily, where that kind of tool
makes sense.
For me, a van dedicated simplyto motorcycles wouldn't make
sense For you.
You know, in your area probablywouldn't either.
No, but like Daytona Beach,maybe Something like that might
make sense for you.
You know, in your area probablywouldn't either.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
No, um, but like daytona beach, maybe something
like that might make sense rightI'm a british columbia I'm a
firm believer in the trailerthing, because if you've got a
full down ramp, atvs,snowmobiles, gotta help your
buddy move right.
It's gonna be harder toespecially like.
I'm not sure how easy this rampdevice is able to get in and
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out of the van or how much roomit takes up when it's actually
folded up in the in the vanitself.
Um to where?
What else can you actually putin the back of this van?
Obviously, clover towing is morethan well of a big enough
company to where this makessense for them.
Right, they wouldn't have donethis if it didn't make financial
sense.
I'm just coming out from aperspective of it wouldn't make
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sense for me.
So I'm criticizing it for thatrealistically, because there's
cheaper, easier alternatives outthere.
Does it make my way better?
No, doesn't make their waybetter.
Who knows?
But for me personally in myarea, having a dedicated van
just for bikes and service callsjust you know, just doesn't
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grab, doesn't get my gears inmotion like something else would
you know what.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
It's funny that you say that, it's great that you
know I.
I really think this cold andthis deep voice and this puberty
in which you've hit is reallymaturing you.
Oh, really, because it's niceto admit, to say that just
because it's not something Icould use or a tool that I think
would be beneficial for asituation that I can see,
doesn't mean it's a stupid tool.
If the Internet could just be alittle more on board with that,
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it would be great, right.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Like I don't know.
That could be a little morelike G, it'd be a better place.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Well, no G in this.
In this state of mind that heis in right now, I wouldn't want
the internet to be more likeyou.
Want a day to day basis.
Come on, but no cause.
I don't know if you rememberback when there was a post going
around on social media I don'tknow if you've seen it and it
was about a guy asking um orexplaining to people a, a GM
approved method of towing.
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I don't remember what kind ofvehicle was.
It was one that caught me offguard um, that you wouldn't
expect to be able to run withoutdollies.
It was an all wheel driveversion that you could run front
wheel drive without dollies,and it was right there in the
owner's manual.
And and I seen that I went oh,that's interesting.
I want to say it was like anequinox or something.
I don't remember the specifictype of vehicle and I remember
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going like that's interesting,like that is something that I
will keep into the back of mymind in this situation where
maybe it's needed right, I don'tknow what like an underground
that my flatbed can't get in,and maybe the dollies are too.
I I don't know what, like anunderground that my flatbed
can't get in, and maybe thedollies are too.
I don't know a situation wheremaybe I could use that
information.
I'm not saying I'd use it on aneveryday, um, you know,
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day-to-day basis, cause it might, you know, might not be a great
idea.
I'd still rather keep an allwheel drive on a flatbed four
wheel and all wheel, twodifferent things willing to.
You know, there's somethingthat I'm willing to do things
with, there's something I'm not.
But I thought about that and Iwent like, oh, that's cool, good
information.
And then I read the goddamncomments and the comments are
just like guys are lazy, guysare stupid, don't do this.
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You're going to pay for atransmission.
Da, da, da, da, da da da nameevery excuse you'd have thrown
at you for thinking outside thebox.
And I just sat there and I wentlike cool, you might not want
to do it, I don't really overlywant to do it.
Like I still believe I wouldput that on a bed.
But don't beat the shit out ofsomebody for giving a tool that
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you can use Again.
We've ran into this before.
Backpole hitches was the samething.
It's a tool tool.
I'm not telling you to tow allyour goddamn cars with that
thing.
I'm not telling you to do that.
I'm not telling you to justgive that to any rookie in your
fleet and say here, go toweverything with this, but it's a
goddamn tool in the toolboxthat somebody could use at one
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point or might benefit.
I've ran into a situation whereI needed that tool.
It's the same thing with this,and there's so many goddamn
arrogant tow operators out therethat'll look for the error and
everything.
And that's what made me thinkof the van.
Right, we're like no, it's notright.
But you know it's not right forme, but maybe it's right for
somebody like, and I don't know,I feel like these arrogant
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assholes probably don't listento our show anyways, because you
know they couldn't stand.
You know people talking aboutsomething and them not being
able to give a goddamn opinionon it, um, because if they could
, they wouldn't fucking commenton social media.
I'm going on tangent um, but.
But it's true, it's nice tohear that maturity in the towing
industry where somebody can gohey, wasn't the way I would have
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done it, or something that Iwould do.
But like I'm in handy one day,I'm going to take that, I'm
going to, you know, use what Ican from it and maybe you get an
Equinox one day where you Idon't know right that you know
you can do this and move it outof a garage without it locking
up, or whatever you want to usethat tool for, or that
information for, you do not haveto apply it every goddamn day,
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but do not sit there and run upa hundred comment, absolutely
just beating the shit out ofsomebody.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Right for for posting a piece of information that you
might not have known about likemost all-wheel drive vehicles,
if you pick them up from thefront, as long as you stay like
under 20 kilometers an hour, solike 10, 12, 13 mile an hour the
rear end spins freely.
So like, if you do got to getit out of that garage, you can
do that.
(31:01):
But that's not a one-trick ponybecause, like if you've ever
tried to pick up an Escapebefore, that's all-wheel drive
you might make it two feetbefore the S-end locks up on you
.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah, exactly, drive, you might make it two feet
before the sn locks up on you.
Yeah, exactly right.
So, again, having thatinformation is probably a tool.
Yeah, so, um, we've stayed awayfrom a lot of.
We've tried to really gear theshow a lot more over recent time
to general towing informationand to stick away from our main
home province of ont, onlybecause, um, our listenership is
not from Ontario.
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Some people do like hearingwhat's going on in other, you
know, other provinces or otherstates and that kind of thing.
So there has been an interestin it.
But we have for the most parttried to just get back to the
basics of towing and obviouslythe beginning of the show,
comedy, um, but there is someinteresting news coming out of
Ontario and I am I promisedmyself from the beginning that I
would do my best to stay, um,neutral on this matter.
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I just realized this putting itup here.
I can't actually read the wholething, cause your head's in the
way, um, but I do have it openon another screen, luckily.
So I will be okay.
Your head's in the way, myhead's not, that's true, your
head's away.
So Ontario Towers.
I will read over this letter.
It is a little long-winded, Ido apologize.
However, ontario Towers arethreatening a day of action in
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May coming up in a couple weeks,and I think there's some
interesting points made in this.
I'm going to stay neutral onwhere I stand, whether I believe
or not believe in this.
I'll try my best to stayneutral because I'm not always
good at that.
I can't promise the same.
So to the Towers of Ontario, agroup of professional Towers
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from throughout Ontario havebeen in discussion as to what
steps need to be taken to getOntario government back to the
table to begin an open, honestdialogue with the towing
industry to discuss solutions tothe issues created by the
Towing and Storage Safety andEnforcement Act.
That is to see it.
We have had episodes in thepast.
If you go, look back about tosee it.
We want and need to worktowards a common goal to safely
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and efficiently service themotoring public of Ontario and
keeping Ontario's roadways openfor business through a
partnership that createsfairness, support and
sustainability to the towingindustry.
These issues include, but arenot limited to, designing it to
see a price sheet that works forall stakeholders right.
There's been obviouslyconfusion, misunderstanding,
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anger about how the maximum rateschedules came out in Ontario
and what it was to follow them,Regulations that fairly protect
the Ontario motorist towing andinsurance industry as a whole.
So in all these regulations thatwe read out back, when there is
no protection given to thetowing industry right, the
protection was getting a lot tothe consumer, to the insurance
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companies, but nothing given tothe towing industry.
Stop the abuse of rsla, section24 loophole by the insurance
industry.
This is the option, uh, underthe repair storage liens act,
section 24, where they can fileit into court.
Um, if they don't agree withthe bill, kick-starting a
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long-standing issue, uh, theyget the vehicle out right away.
Towing companies don't get themoney until either a settlement
is agreed to or the issue goesto court, which can be up to and
over a year away.
So they're pretty muchthreatening companies with
Section 24s if they don't take acut on the bill, and a lot of
companies can't afford to floatthat money for up to or over a
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year.
A fairly priced insuranceprogram for the towing industry,
including the ability to insurenew drivers, that is obviously,
and then we're seeing thatacross.
I'm seeing complaints out ofevery state, every province
right now, and the cost ofinsurance and being able to get
new drivers on has increasedsignificantly.
If you can get insurance at allright, a lot of insurance
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companies won't touch driversunder three years.
They've really pushed this intoa monopoly because a very
limited number of companies willdo it and if they do do it,
they're obviously going to do itat a massive increase or
premium.
A fair and legal program fordrivers with legal records for
which they have paid their dues.
So, in other words, allowing adriver who may have had a
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criminal conviction in the pastan option to um, you know, still
work within the industry aslong as you know a set time or
whatever is passed.
Um, oh, never mind with legalrecords for which they have paid
their dues.
Maybe not what I'm thinking cvrregulation compliance that
allows 24 7 365 service for allof ontario.
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I don't really know what thatone is getting a fair pay for
every service, and that is a bigthing, right?
Yeah, the professional towersof this province are certainly
not opposed to the regulationsof the towing industry if
structured fairly.
It is clear that theseregulations are written, were
heavily influenced by theinsurance industry and the auto
club industry.
The towing industry's requestfor fair regulation was almost
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entirely ignored, even though wewere a stakeholder at the
meetings with the Ontariogovernment.
Despite numerous attempts overthe last five months to get the
Ontario government back to thetable with the towing industry,
who are the subject matterexperts to discuss changes that
need to be made in order to havea healthy the towing industry,
who are the subject matterexperts to discuss changes that
need to be made in order to havea healthy, sustainable towing
industry in Ontario, all linesof communication have fallen
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silent, left, with no otheroption.
Towers across the province arestarting to withdraw their
services from the police,excluding life-endangering
situations.
This withdrawal is not intendedto affect our regular customer
base, only tow requests forwhich we are not guaranteed
payment.
The first withdrawal will be at12 pm May 17th and continue
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until 8 am May 21st.
These scheduled withdrawalswill continue until the Ontario
government agrees to open ameaningful dialogue with the
towing industry to work towardsan equitable solution for all
the towing industry.
To work towards an equitablesolution for all.
Equitable solution for all.
We understand this may not bepossible for everyone to
participate.
However, it is important torecognize that this is your
livelihood, your business, yourindustry and we believe it is
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worth fighting for.
We do not condone any violenceor acts of illegal activity.
We are simply asking theontario government to get back
to the table with the towingindustry.
We are the only responder to aprovincial municipal roadway
that is not publicly funded and,as such, we must have assurance
of payment to perform our work.
The towing industry is under nolegal obligation to clear
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Ontario roadways.
We must be paid for our work.
It is time for the insuranceindustry, provincial and
municipal governments, policeagencies and auto clubs to
recognize the invaluable servicetow companies provide day in
and day out, 365 days a year.
We ask that you put aside yourdifferences for the betterment
and fair treatment of the towingindustry and better future for
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us all.
This is your equipment, yourbusiness, your livelihood, your
profession and your future.
Know your worth, put yourchains down and take a
well-deserved long weekend off.
So I'm sorry, that is a long,little long-winded.
I do apologize, not my words um, and and it is words and I mean
it's up on the screen, I don'thave to call it out um, it's
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words by a, a verywell-respected, uh, professional
in the towing industry withinOntario.
A lot of people know thisperson.
Yeah, a hundred percent, and Iif you're on YouTube, you can
find the name pretty easy.
I support the message.
I do.
I agree in all of those things.
However and this is where Iwill stay neutral but give an
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opinion somehow the governmenthas not fully even launched the
program.
The final stages has not evencome in.
I agree with everything thatyou say.
The payment part has been a bigthing from the beginning.
Right, a lot of this has beenbig for beginning.
Two things this legislation waswritten and available up to a
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year before it came out.
You're right.
Maybe, maybe the towingindustry, as a stakeholder, was
at the table and and thoughtthat they would have more
influence before the it startedto come into effect.
Maybe, right, obviously therewas meetings that were held.
Obviously, opinions wereignored.
I don't deny any of these things.
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But when the program isn'tfully even incorporated yet,
right, it's not, it hasn't fullylaunched yet and you are going
to them pretty muchfundamentally wanting to change
this from the ground up, toincorporate these things and to
stop these practices and toincorporate all these good
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things that I believe are goodthings for the industry that we
need.
I feel like I need to keepreminding reminding myself and
the listener of that.
They're not taking our calls,they're not negotiating with us,
they're not sitting down at thetable?
Of course not.
They're too busy trying tomanage this program.
That they launched this program?
Well, you got to remember whenthe TSEA regulations were
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drafted.
If you want to say the originalidea behind TSEA was to do what
?
Right?
What was it to do, gene, inyour opinion?
What do you think Tasea wasbuilt to do?
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Well, it was to throw more regulations at the
industry that had very little tobegin with, to make the bad
actors within the industry thatwere just skating by and
mistreating customers andconsumers to where they would
either have to smarten up andget with the program and provide
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fair service for a fair priceor get out of the industry
entirely.
100%.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
Has Tasea done that, and this isn't a direct question
, this is more of a.
You know that is the questionat hand.
Has Tasea, in its early infancy, been able to do that?
I think to see it has takensteps in order to do that.
Is there more progressive waysor more efficient ways to do it?
I think it's possible.
I think any program thatlaunches like this is not going
to be, you know, a one from thebeginning, but you cannot expect
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them to redesign the programand I know they're not using the
word redesign but you cannotexpect them to veer far enough
off course with with the requestthat, again, I believe the
requests are reasonable.
I just don't think that aprogram launching in this state,
like where it's at it hasn'teven come fully into effect yet
that you can implement thosechanges.
(41:28):
To see, it was meant to givethe government teeth.
To give the government teeth inorder to eliminate these bad
actors, as you so say.
Right, and the act does that.
The act does give thegovernment teeth, right.
The act gives the governmentteeth against possibly good
towers too, and that was a fear,I mean.
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How many times, though, have weseen this over and over and
over again?
Like unfortunately, goodplayers are going to fall
because of Tessia.
Yeah, it's an unfortunatereality.
It is from the day that yourequested, or you know needed,
to be regulated by thegovernment because we couldn't
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self-regulate.
I'm from the government, I'mhere to help, right?
We've said that line out heremultiple times.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
Episode four I think, is when we first said that.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Right, I can give an example of those stories.
My dad would tell me where theMinistry of Labor couldn't
really touch farms, especiallyfamily farms, because they
weren't workers, right.
But then there was having allkinds of injuries and all kinds
of issues and we want your help.
And then they came in, but thenthey didn't like the help that
they got.
Right.
The towing industry wentthrough a very similar phase
with that.
Right, we need your help to getrid of all these terrible
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people that are chargingabsorbent amounts on the highway
and everything and making therest of us look bad.
Well, guess what happened whenthe ministry got involved in
some of those family farms, whenthe rules started to come into
play and they had to follow them, there was many good family
farms that took the hit too.
Yep, these are the naturalprogressions of these.
Now, I'm not saying just sitback and not accept.
You know and accept that thischange is the be all, end all.
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And I do respect the fact thatwhat they are saying is not that
we are going to do aprovince-wide strike of any
sorts or day of action.
It is only for police requestedtows, other than if there is a,
you know, imminent danger tosomebody, right?
So what that means is if thepolice call you because a
vehicle is partially submergedin water and they need the tow
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truck to, you know, support thevehicle, whatever the case may
be, they will say yes.
But if you call me for a vanthat is rolled over and hit a
box, culvert on the 401 a 500van that I know is just going to
end up owning in my yard,because I have no guarantee of
payment and no legalrepercussion other than just let
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the towing company deal with it, they can scrap it and get
their money back.
Other Other than that I'm notresponding to that call.
That is the step that they wantto take, which isn't a terrible
step.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
I think from reading this letter, it states that they
were in the decision-makingboard when these regulations
were brought into effect, and Idon't disagree with that or
drafted, even Drafted even.
I think what honestly happenedwas you've got the governing
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body and you've got lobbyistsfrom the insurance companies,
auto clubs and, of course, thetowing industry there.
Well, the government looks downand they see the auto clubs
that make billions, maybe abillion dollars, and pay taxes
on that, and they see theinsurance companies that do the
same, and then they see thetoying industry sitting there
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and and I believe up to threedifferent associations
represented in that yep.
Speaker 1 (44:45):
And so when they went to the roadsides they went hey,
big roadside, okay cool.
Hey, insurance companies, youguys are all on the same page?
Yes, we are.
And then you got three bands ofdifferent groups of towers.
Speaker 2 (44:56):
That are all bickering amongst each other
probably, or we can't ever getit on the same page.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Exactly right, there's different views that
each of them have, just withdifferent boards of directors.
I'm not saying one's right andone's wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
Um, just you know, they're not a collective group,
I don't think as much as theseroad guides insurance were and I
honestly think it might havebeen pushed to the wayside all
these other things when theoriginal thing was drafted,
because, like you said, whatthis was drafted for was to get
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the bad actors out of theindustry.
And whenever the governmentsays, I'm from the government,
I'm here to help, there's alwaysoverreach, and that's what
we're seeing.
Obviously, the time to say thisis what we need was a year and
a half ago, two years ago, whenthis was being brought up.
Unfortunately, it's the sameanalogy of when was the best
(45:52):
time to plant a tree.
The best time was yesterday.
The second best time is now.
Um, and unfortunately my side ofthings, if we don't get on this
and saying, hey, we don't agreewith this, we need to do
something about this, if we letit sit for another year or two,
the chances of them changingsomething goes down.
(46:13):
If we start making a little bitof noise and say, hey, we need
to relook at some of thesethings, I think we have a better
opportunity to get this in now,because it is still in its
infancy.
Nothing's set in stone yet perse right, set in stone yet per
(46:34):
se right.
Um, the fact that they're notactually coming and talking to
us.
Like you said, they're busydoing other things, but they're
still.
They still need to listen tothe industry, because if the
industry goes poof overnight, itwill never go poof overnight.
But let's say you lose.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
There's always some dumb millionaire with money
somewhere yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
But if you lose all these big rapid pull towing
companies because they just sayyou know what?
I've made decent money over thelast 30 years.
My family set, my kids are set.
I'm just done.
I'm not gonna play by theseunfair rules anymore.
Who's gonna suffer the most?
It's gonna be the the policeofficers that didn't request
this that now have to deal withsubpar service.
(47:12):
It's going to be the the policeofficers that didn't request
this that now have to deal withsubpar service.
It's going to be the consumersthat are now going to have to
deal with subpar service.
It's going to be everyoneexcept the towing industry.
Whoever's left in the towingindustry trying to pick up the
pieces after all, these goodplayers just exited.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
But that's what I mean.
I'm not saying that I want tosee good players exit, but if
you can go, you know you getthrough the three years of this
program Right, and good playerswill.
You know, some good playerswill make it, some good players
won't.
It's the reality of it and Idon't want to see anybody not
make it.
You get through these threeyears of it and you go.
(47:48):
You don't think you're in abetter spot to be able to
approach the government as acollective whole and go look,
when you brought out to see it,it was to do this.
Yes, you have accomplished that.
If you look, this has gone down.
This has gone down.
You know what you set outsucceeded.
You eliminated the bad actorswithin the towing industry.
You took a lot of good oneswith them, unfortunately, but
(48:10):
you, you know what I mean.
You lowered, you know these,these incidents of major fraud
and everything else.
Like you, you've done that so,but now the industry is not
sustainable.
We have floated and we havefought through this with you to
get, to help you achieve thegoal that you were at.
But the profit, you know, Imean the business model isn't
(48:32):
sustainable and we are going tostart having to pull out of
stuff, but the problem isthey're not willing to talk
currently if they're not willingto talk, you can't have that
conversation.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
They're not talking.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I know, but I'm not asking to have that conversation
right now.
I'm asking let this program runits course, let it get to its
point.
You say that you know what'sgoing to happen is the cops are
going to have to deal withsubpar service, that this is
going to have to deal with sub.
That's when the change is goingto need to happen.
Yeah, right now.
Unfortunately, there's a lot ofgood companies in this province
(49:04):
and there's a lot of fuckingbad ones.
There is a lot of bad companiesright, and we're seeing, and
some bad companies are stillthriving.
You know, and you're seeing thebills and you're seeing that.
You know and I'm not wanting tocriticize someone's books unless
you're there it's very hard toyou know.
Know what you would havecharged or what you would have
done, yep, but we know thatthere was corruption in our
(49:28):
industry.
We know that.
The people that wrote thisletter know that, and I get it.
You do not want to see a singlegood tower get taken out or
forced out or pushed out whenwe've already seen them drop
because you're right, they sayscrew it, I'm near retirement,
anyways done, and then you got.
(49:48):
You know, you do have somebigger companies that are
thriving off that and expandingtheir territory, and some of
those big companies aren't greatcompanies either, right, but
you can't.
You have to let the programfully come into place.
You're going to lose goodoperators, so you can use this
as a virtue signaling.
You know what I mean?
Hey, I no person left behindand I have a lot of respect for
(50:11):
this poster.
I have a a lot of respect forthis poster.
I have a huge amount of respectfor this poster.
I've had many conversations overthe years of this poster and I
you know, I, you know, if you'relistening.
I want you to be aware of that.
It's nothing personal whereeveryone has different views.
You, in my opinion, though Istill don't believe this is the
right approach.
Right, I believe in everythingthat you were saying.
(50:34):
I believe and I would love tosee all of that the end of the
day, good businesses are goingto fall because of this and
unfortunately it's business.
Good businesses have fallenmany times because of changes to
an industry.
Right, do everything you can tonot be that good business If
you care enough to want tocontinue in this industry.
If you do not, I mean, I wouldnever fault a guy for, at this
(50:54):
point, getting out of it withall the changes, like we had.
Friends of ours that you knowshut the doors and moved on
hindsight.
I think it was the right timefor them, nope all right I don't
think all these changes wouldhave been so.
You know, it's just it's, it'spart of the game and
unfortunately, it's a game thatwe went on taking advantage of,
(51:15):
whether we did directly or youknow, to the.
You know, some of us did it tobigger extents than others, but
it was a system that wasunregulated, that we took it,
that was taken advantage of fora long time.
The overreaction is here.
Find a way to make, instead oftaking the time saying stop
doing this police work, workwith towers on ways to be able
(51:41):
to get through this, whetherthat be crossing your T's and
dotting your I's, to make surethat consents are taken care of,
to make sure that you know whatI mean People are taking these
regulations seriously, thatthey're not going to get screwed
on a $5,000 bill on a storageinvoice because they didn't do a
proper notification where theydidn't do a proper consent or
all that.
Like, take the time, you knowwhat I mean.
Like, let's take our resourcesand help build up the good
companies in these situations,rather than taking that same
(52:06):
energy and applying it to justthis, this day of action, this,
this idea, this you know it'sagain, I have all the respect
for you in the world.
I just don't agree.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
I.
I think it's not even so muchthe day of action part, it's
just trying to get the communityof towers together, because I
think that that's always beenone of our biggest weaknesses in
this industry is 100.
We don't have the ability tocome together as a collective
whole right.
And I'm not advocating for atowing union or something.
(52:43):
I think the organizations arejust fine, but I think more
people need to get involved inthe organizations and actually
be able to get involved with theability to lobby and have their
voice be heard.
And I think that's what this isa main call for.
It's saying, hey, this is whatwe're doing, we want to be able
(53:04):
to get the word out and get thatsupport behind them.
So then when push does come toshove and they get to be able to
talk to the government again,they actually listen to us and
(53:24):
say we are hurting, we arebleeding financially for this
reason and this reason and itcould be no fault of our own,
because other the cards arestacked against us and we need
to fix this.
And here are some possiblesolutions to fix this problem,
because if you come to me with aproblem with no solution, well
(53:44):
then you haven't really thoughtabout the problem too hard and
that you just got to haveeverything fully thought out,
and I think, with more peoplestanding behind them, it's going
to be easier.
And I think that's just whatthis is for it's a call to
action to get that support thatthey need, regardless of how
much of an impact it actuallyhas in the now of stopping
(54:06):
service.
Speaker 1 (54:08):
That is fair.
You know what that's?
What's great about the show isthat we can have two different
views to it, two different sidesto it.
Um, we can have a conversationabout all the things that people
shouldn't have a conversationabout or, you know, say that you
shouldn't talk about, or youknow what I mean.
It doesn't have to be anargument.
It can be an an honest, open,uh, discussion about it.
So, um, no hard feelings to youknow, whether it be the poster
or anyone who thought otherwise.
(54:28):
Um, that is kind of starting towrap up towards our time.
It took a little longer than wewere expecting.
I know we did miss one thing.
It's something we can gladlyget to on the next week's
episode.
So, yeah, let us hear yourthoughts.
Right, if you are a tower inOntario and you've seen this
call for a day to action or thiscall to action period, I guess
(54:49):
it's a weekend of action.
Let me know what your thoughtsare.
You can.
You know you can send us a text.
If you're listening over on theaudio side, just look in your
episode description.
Don't tell us, hey, playing guy, you're way out of line.
Tell me, angie, I fully agree.
Or, or you know.
Vice versa, whatever the casemay be, you can visit us at
wwwtowinglifeca, where you canfind a contact us button.
(55:10):
There.
You can email us directly atthe towing life at gmailcom, or
you can find us on Facebook atthe towing life podcast.
If you are watching on theYouTube side, do not forget.
Leave a comment down below, hitthe like, subscribe all the
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All the buttons you can click,just click them all.
And on behalf of myself and mywonderful co co host, mr
Tomangie, we, on behalf ofmyself and my wonderful co-host,
(55:30):
mr Tomanji, we appreciate youcoming out to another episode of
the Tone Life Podcast and wecannot wait to see you again
next week.
Take care, toodles.
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