Inside Jubilee's Surrounded: When They Silence Us, We Speak Louder

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Transparency Podcast Show.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to the Transparency Podcast Show.
It is your girl, blossom CBrown, and I'm here with my man,
shane Ivan Nash.
How you doing baby.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Baby, I'm doing good, come here.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh, oh, my God, oh, I need a moment to get myself
together.
That felt so good.

Speaker 3 (00:29):
I missed you.
I'm glad we're shooting again.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I missed you more.
I guess we're coming out to theworld today and telling the
truth, but before we go anyfurther, make sure you hit the
subscribe button down below, sothat way you'll know when we
post new videos.
But anyways, you were sayingWell, you were saying.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Well, you know, I think it's important for us to
tell people our truth.
Working together as long as wehave, I've really fallen for you
.
So I think you're a beautifulwoman and you've really added a
lot to my life, and I appreciateespecially the raw sexual
energy you've brought to me.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Oh, and I know Blair White and Buck Angel are sick
hearing this.
Oh I know, I already know whatit's giving.
Oh, I'm going to let Ikunambitoo.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
You're never going to get that girl's name right, are
you?
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
April Fool's bitch, but here's a proven fact.
Here's a fact, though.
Shane is my very best friend inthe whole wide world.
We are definitely best friends,and I'm so grateful to be doing
this podcast here with you.
So, for many of y'all that know, I was in a Surrounded episode
with Michael Knowles.
It was my first Surroundedepisode, but my fourth Jubilee

(01:37):
debate, and so I got to meetsome wonderful, fantastic
debaters on the show, and I havetwo of them right here, or
should I say we have two of themright here.
We have Stassi and Scarletthere at the Transparency Podcast
Show.
Welcome, ladies, how y'alldoing Good?

(01:58):
I'm doing good.
How are you, oh, child?
Trying to stay as unproblematicas possible, but you know how
hard that is okay, what aboutyou, skylar?
Hey girl, thanks my God.
Hey, y'all look so good.
We're looking fly.
We're going to respond to somehaters today because I heard
that the haters have been makingvideos about us because we're
divine goddesses and we're outhere doing our thing.

(02:20):
So you already know, so let'sjump right into it.
Since filming the Michael Knowknows video, how have y'all been
?
What has been going on?
Give us the tea um, it's beengood.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
I feel like for the first week or so, I was living
in my own like bubble, like Iwas really filtering through
everything and not trying to payattention to the heat.
Um, but on twitter is where itstarted getting so bad oh like
about everyone.
Like I, I was seeing picturesand videos and clips like almost

(02:53):
every single day.
I'm still getting them on myfour-year page, so I'm not even
using the app anymore.
Um, but I mean, my experiencewith like production and whatnot
was really well.
I've interviewed with jubilee acouple times since and it's
been very positive.
But the way that I think someof my clips and yours have been
portrayed is very divisive.

(03:16):
I mean, even just the clip thatthey posted of me on their
TikTok page was insane.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Which, by the way, she's gotten the most views out
of all of us not for a goodreason she went, the most viral,
which was you know yeah, and Ithink that I was like a seat
filler I got.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I didn't even go through an interview process.
We figured that out when wefilmed the reaction video with
gilbert.
I applied, they picked me andthen I don't think they knew I
was going to come in and causeso much trouble.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Girl, you were getting it up there.
We were just snapping thefingers.
Snapping the fingers, honey, Iwas living for you.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I was living for you.
I kept seeing your reactions towhat I was saying and I was
blown.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
You know they were mad about that too in some of
these other videos.
The conservatives honey.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Yeah, they didn't like that we had any sort of
emotional response to what wasbeing said to us, but I don't
know how you couldn't.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
We all had good defenses.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah, Scarlett.
What's been going on?
How has life been since you'vebeen on the Jubilee video?

Speaker 5 (04:18):
Yeah, honestly, I didn't really have any sort of
really negative reaction.
Good, there was, like some likepeople dming me a lot of them
were chasers.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
I'm gonna be honest.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Oh well, girl, you got an offer for five thousand
dollars let's be clear, honeyyou're sexy and gorgeous, so I I
understand that.

Speaker 5 (04:36):
Yes but I did have a couple and honestly I would say
the ones that hurt the most werefrom the left over the right.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
I have to agree with you Sometimes that hurts deeper.
The left can be so cruel, eventhough we are on allegedly the
same side.
How did?
What did you experience?

Speaker 5 (04:57):
I had like a lot of people from the left just kind
of like discussing like myability to be on Jubilee, like
why I even went on.
They're like you shouldn't havegone on in the first place,
yada, yada, yada.
And like I didn't even reallyknow anything about Jubilee, I
think I watched maybe twoepisodes.
I was like I don't even knowwhat this is.
This is just like a media thingand like I've had a weird sort
of housing situation.
So I was like any way to getlike extra money and like see

(05:20):
people in my community and kindof make connections because I'm
new to the city, like I'm goingto take it.
So that was like the mainreason I took it.
And even when I was on there,like I'm not a debater, it's not
something that I was trainedfor, that I really had a lot of
knowledge on.
But I still think I did apretty good job for what I had
to work with.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
So yeah, especially the part when you were like, so
wait that was your first andapparently yeah, I've never
debated anyone before.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
Neither have I, and especially the part when you
were doing this, that orwhatever.
And apparently a certain GenZ-er YouTuber who's a grifter,
who used to be a leftist but allof a sudden is now somebody on
the right, made a comment aboutthat, which was really
interesting, and so here's thetea y'all.
So I'm on YouTube minding myown business, scrolling through,

(06:08):
scrolling through, and I comeacross this video that our
biggest hater to the show, amalaI call her Ekbunami, but it's
Ekbunobi Made a whole reaction.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Never going to get the girl's name right.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
Made a whole reaction video.
We need some sound effects.
Where are our sound effects atOn page?
Okay, hold on.
And what I do at Actually?
Oh, Our biggest hater madeanother video about us.
Hi Amala, how you doing girl?
Hey Amala, Hi Amala's followers, because I know y'all coming
over here to look lurk andeverything Y' else smelling like

(06:42):
low self-esteem and baloney.
But apparently she made thisvideo about us in our debates
and so we have a few clips hereand I thought it was important
for us to react to it Now.
Y'all being here is just acoincidence.
She made that video a long timeago and y'all were the ones
that came through, and so whynot just react to the video?

(07:03):
And so let's go ahead and startplaying these clips and you
guys give y'all opinion andwe'll just go from there.
See what's given.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Okay and agree on what the facts are of the topic
that you are discussing, and nota single individual so far that
we've gone through in thisvideo out of the three has met
him on a fact that he's givenand said you know what?
That's true, except the personwho said it's not happening but
they deserve it.
That was where, uh, he was meton a fact, and even then we

(07:34):
couldn't find common ground onthe issue, true.
What about the two-spiritedpeople?

Speaker 6 (07:37):
what?
What is the two-spirited people?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
in the indigenous community they are.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
He's baiting this individual.
Of course he knows what atwo-spirit is.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
I don't want to get into semantics, but oh, so you
admit he's baiting that?
Glad you saw that the fact isthat there has always been trans
people do you know where thephrase two-spirited came from?

Speaker 6 (07:54):
I don't, it came from light and it came from the
third annual inter-tribal nativeamerican first nations gay and
lesbian americans conference in1990?
And why did you act like youdidn't know what two-spirit was?

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I just don't think that that's true.

Speaker 6 (08:07):
It's true.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
The woman who coined that term Fact check, even fact
check by Jubilee, true 1990.
It's kind of like when peopleare like when you go to school
and everybody's meant to believethat Kwanzaa is this super huge
holiday and you leave and Amaladefinitely goes off topic I
don't want to hear her voiceanymore.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
How do you feel about that?
I paused it.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I think what she had to say.
I think it was more importantat the end of it.
But anyways, stassi, yeah, sofar listening to that, cause
somebody like Amala don't stayon topic or damn.
So like what's your reaction.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
So I like this.
I like this is like one of thebiggest things I got comments
about, like specifically on theTikTok and all that stuff.
It was about not knowing thedefinitions of two-spirited
people.
So from my experience, I wassitting in front of somebody who
I knew was going to have adefinition.
I also didn't want tomisrepresent so like why would I

(09:01):
sit there and when it's clearlyover my head, try to explain it
?
I didn't want to disrespectanybody, so I just kind of
conceded to that.
But it wasn't.
I mean, I was non-binary for along time.
That's where I started.
Yeah, that's where I started myjourney about like three or
four years ago.
So that was a very large partof my identity and I did do a

(09:26):
lot of research and did thetwo-spirited community and
whatnot.
So it it just really went overmy head and I don't think that
it's a big talking point.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, and they get the reaching Cause, josh, who
was on there, who they editedout completely.
I was just going to say I wishJosh was here yeah.
We're going to still get Joshon the show.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
I've talked to Josh already about being on the show.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Josh is phenomenal.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Yeah, josh does great work, but Josh literally sat in
the seat for two minutes,explained what two-spirit was
and got up and left and you cansee Josh right behind Michael
and the thing is, people stillfound, tried to find flaws in it
, in it, and it's like y'alldon't want to get educated.
I think we just need to wake itup like I'd rather have much

(10:08):
more respect for you when youtell me that.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
I just don't want to hear it yeah, exactly, and I
think that that was the partthat really frustrated me is
that there was an entire clipafter, like I was making eye
contact with josh as it washappening, like I was getting
that support from him in themoment.
So it just was a lot for me interms of that narrative, because

(10:31):
I didn't want to misrepresent acommunity.
That's why I didn't speak on itand Michael Knowles did.
And that fact check.
Am I allowed to cuss on here?

Speaker 2 (10:40):
Yes, you're absolutely Bullshit.
I think so too it was absolutebullshit.

Speaker 5 (10:44):
I agree, I have a native background my mother's
from Oklahoma, my grandfather'sfrom Oklahoma.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
My grandmother lives in Oklahoma.
I'm Cherokee and Choctaw.
I'm Cherokee.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Oh, so yeah, yeah, black.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Cherokee and Choctaw.
The cheekbones everything Likemy, Like my cheekbones are fake,
but you look good though, girl.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
We're a little slow on thesound effects today, y'all, so
please forgive us.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
But you know, the whole thing just like pissed me
off a little bit because it'slike the term was created.
Yeah, they have always existedand it's like it was a term as a
blanket statement.
There's over 130 tribes thathave gender variants.
You can't just say like, youknow, this is what it is and a
lot of the terms that theycalled the people to were slurs
from white people.
That's why they created theterm two spirit, because it was

(11:38):
going to all encompass and bringmore positivity to, like our
being.
You know what I mean?
I didn't know that.
Yes, god, you better say that.
It really like pissed me offthat he tried to do this whole
little thing.
Like we needed a term, weneeded a way to connect to
everyone in our communities whoare native, who are already
marginalized.
That's why it was made.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, and that's why I said I'm not getting into the
semantics of it, because that isa semantic, like I'm not
getting into the semantics of itbecause that is a semantic.
Like the two spirited people,like you said, have always been
here.
There is documentation.
The definition he gave me wastrying to throw me off Cause.
What am I going to say to that?
I made it very clear when Iwalked in that I wasn't a
debater.

(12:19):
I'd never sat in a debatebefore.
I wasn't there to debate thesecond.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
He walked in and mason had informed me who it was
, why, like come on, because alot of it what people don't know
and shane's been in our inepisodes as well too it's a lot
of blind debating, so you'regoing in somewhere where you
just don't know, you just don'tknow, michael knowles, no like,
got to prepare his question, yes, and gets to do that.

(12:44):
And a lot of the guests on thatside, especially conservative
folks- and liberal too, becauseSam Cedar was on there and did a
fabulous job.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Here's the thing.
What is it that Dean guy?
I saw him on a live.
I've seen him say a lot ofproblematic stuff on a live.
We can even talk about that fora moment.
But that Dean guy he said on alive that like jubilee didn't
give him the same backgroundquestions when he did like a 20
versus one, uh versus uh.

(13:13):
Conservatives himself yeah wherehe was, the main guy I think I
heard he didn't get the samesupport that, like ben shapiro
and michael knolls and all theseother guys are getting where,
like they're getting the videobefore it even airs, and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, because Michael had a completely different clip
even of me.
I got posted on the Daily Wire.
Oh wow, I don't know, if youguys saw that they posted me
just my clip.
I don't watch that trash.
Yeah, I don't either.
Unfortunately, I was flooded inthe comments, like people DMing
it to me and tagging me onTwitter.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
It was a completely, completely different clip than
jubilee had made.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
It had the jubilee text.
Yeah, so clearly.
He had access to the videos.
Yeah, he misgendered me in thevideo which they all run to
misgendering.
But, scarlet, guess what?
Miss ekbu nami has something tosay about you.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
So you already, oh god we about to get into it.
So if we're gonna think aboutwomen getting rapes in bathrooms
, right, it's a small percentageof trans people that are doing
it.
I'm not denying that that'shappening, because it is a
reality and it's an awful thingfor women to have to go through.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
I can appreciate that .
So now you have a trans personsaying yes, there are people
with trans identities who go onto sexually assault women.
Not the very least I cancommend that admission.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
But then what are we doing about the men that are the
93 percent of sexual?

Speaker 6 (14:27):
violence towards women?
No, hopefully arresting themand putting them in prison and
what are you doing before that?

Speaker 5 (14:31):
why are men the highest percentage for this, if
it's such a bad thing for transwomen to use the bathroom when a
very, very, very small amountof women are being raped by?

Speaker 4 (14:42):
you know, two issues can exist at once, and we can do
work on both of those issues.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Oh, my god, you can't say that and then not actually
have the nuance of what you'reactually saying.
It's like you run into thepoint and you miss it we'll
refer to them also.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Sexually assault and rape women doesn't mean we don't
address the fact that, uh,transgender identifying
individuals are also doing thesame thing.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
We can do two things at once you don't have this
energy cis men, but you havethis energy for trans women,
because it's just misogynylayered as some weird thing.
Because you want to be a pickme, and this is all this is.
This is all this is.
No, I'm tired of her.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
The woman's bathroom, you can call law enforcement or
security and say, hey, a manjust came into my bathroom.
But now, with this legislation,you cannot do that if we're
going to have protections formen identifying as women these
bathrooms one day she's going torealize it and it's unfortunate
because it's going to be somebad experience she has and she's

(15:35):
going to see why we say thethings we say.

Speaker 6 (15:37):
I think we try to enforce our laws and protect
people from this is a cis menproblem.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
It's cisgender men that are attacking women.
These kinds of violent crimes,compared to most of them, don't
even get more than two months,if they even get the DNA to
prove it, like they have no ideawhat a victim is.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
This is one area I've experienced.
We don't need to allow them todo that.
It's a needless risk.
It's based on a false view ofreality and claims of rights.

Speaker 3 (16:00):
I'm so over it, ok.
So who wants to say some shit?
Because I'm so over it, I don'teven want to hear that.
Who wants to take the mic?
I'll take it.
If you want, go for it.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
Honestly, it was really dumb of her to be like
some trans people transition torape.
Girl get fucked, respectfullyget fucked.
I didn't want to sit there andbe like no trans person is ever
raping somebody.
I didn't want to say like theywere a cis man, like dressed as
a woman, because, like I don'tknow who they are.
I'm not going to validate orinvalidate their transness, so

(16:31):
there's a possibility, it couldhappen.
So we'll just say it happenedand like call it a day, even
though we know from like ourlived experiences that, like
trans women are the least likelyto sexually assault another
woman of any kind.
So I was like like all right,here we go, we're gonna, we're
gonna start with this.
And then you know she's talkingabout the whole bathroom sign
things, and I love when they dothis.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
they leave out the clips like of michael being like
well, it doesn't really matterabout the signs because a man
could just walk in, but she'snot going to talk about that no,
no, it's because she doesn'thave the intellectual capacity
to talk about that or or she'strying to create the narrative
purposely, because that's whatshe does to feed her audience, I
mean it's wild because I gotsent actually your clip of that

(17:12):
by somebody from the right andthey had sent me a newspaper
article of some like gay couplelike assaulting a kid and I just
went onto Google and I lookedup church member assaults child.
Oh my God, 50 differentarticles came up, and so I sent
him like five and I'm likethat's fine Quote, scarlett,
that's how you have to do itLike.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
That's how you have to do it.
It's interesting, yeah, yeah,she.
Well, she naturally spews hateand then I think she weaponized
her base to go out and attack us, because they attack us all the
time.
And you know she, blair Whiteand Buck Angel are no different,
just three grifters, you know.
In my opinion, yeah, and so youknow.

Speaker 3 (17:50):
There's some grifters on the left though, too.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I think in one of Buck's videos he called me a
grifter.
Good luck, I'm getting bookedon your platform and on the
liberal ones.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
Wait, wait, wait.
Didn't he talk about yourtitties?

Speaker 2 (18:04):
too.
Yeah, buck Angel was talkingabout my titties on Pierce
Apparently.
I had this moment where I wasjust doing this.
I wasn't intentionally tryingto do that or whatever.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yes, you were bitch, Don't lie.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
But they just naturally called it that way.
They're distracting.
I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Get out of my face, buck.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
Angel Jesus, yeah, jesus yeah, um, I thought he was
supposed to be sex positive too.
What happened to that littlehypocrisy there?
And well, I don't even know whobuck angel is.
Yeah, most people don't anymore.
Yeah, he was a characterfighting for his life, so you
know respectfully.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
He laid on his back for 20, 30 years as a character
in porn and he got retired out,in my opinion, by younger trans
masculine content creators.
Shout out to all the transmasculine content creators.
Shout out to all the transmasculine content creators.
Shout out fans.
By the way, we love y'all andporn hub y'all porn hub,
everything, and so I feelhashtag ftm if you need to

(18:55):
search yeah, I feel that he, Ifeel that he projects I feel
like he projects a lot becausehe was the man with the pussy.
That's.
That's what he was.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, named in porn I'm not lying one of the first
trans masculine people that Isaw, and I saw him on the
playboy channel when he sat downon the couch.
I don't remember the episode,somehow I was like 12 watching.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
They used to make him like a character he walked out
like it too.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
He would be like I'm a man with a pussy and but in a
way, like he used to do it,empowering, like I even kind of
looked up to him because I waslike, oh, like yeah, fuck, yeah,
I'm a man with a pussy.
But now it's turned into thisweird ass, like same way Joe
Rogan just went off the deep end.

(19:38):
I don't know.
It's like white men get olderand they just get angry.
I hope Blossom slapped me ifthat happens to me.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Oh, I would definitely slap you.
Slap the shit out of me.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
I would slap the hell out of you, slap the shit out
of me.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
We got to get it Like Slap the entire hell out of you
.
You just pressing any buttonover there.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
I know, we're trying to get them all.
It's just me.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
And and so y'all Missing said a lot about me.
I'm going to play the wholeclip.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Go for it.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Because I actually have a lot to say to Amala,
because Amala has said a lotabout me in these last two years
and I think there are somethings I'm going to address for
the first time here on theTransparency Podcast show that I
have not addressed in the lasttwo years that she and I have
been debating you guys areactually dating.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
No, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
April F's.
She could never, she couldnever.
And so let's all hear y'allwhat Miss Thing had to say about
me.
Let's hit the road.

Speaker 4 (20:33):
So Michael Knowles was featured on Jubilee's
Surrounded series, where he wenthead to head with 25 LGBTQIA
plus activists, and, of course,he brought up the issue of
transgenderism and transideology, as he has a now
infamous quote abouttransgenderism.
And he actually went head tohead with three trans
individuals, one of whom werecognize on this channel.

(20:53):
So I figured no better day thantoday to react to Michael
Knowles going head to head withthese individuals.
So let's get right into it.

Speaker 6 (21:01):
My next claim is that transgenderism should be
eradicated from public lifeentirely.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Here come the Nazi allegations you want to
eradicate people.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
He is one.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah, fucking acknowledges he's a Nazi.
I understand that, yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Literally just.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
You see all of us face.
They hate when I come, theyhate when I'm there.
I see that.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
I think of the fan edit.
She heard her as powerhouse theblossom.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Go ahead.
I want to know.

Speaker 4 (21:35):
Go ahead.
I want to know you came to thechat.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
Amala, you know you love her.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
The argument, and of course we know Blossom on this
channel, because on this channel, because you're a fan at this
point, okay blossom bringsproblems everywhere she he goes
and is always trying to startdrama and tell some lies.
If you guys can go check outour previous videos on blossom
and the drama that took place onthis channel if you want to
know more.
But I digress, let's get intothese arguments your ideology

(22:01):
around transgenderism, somethingthat doesn't exist.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
It just sounds more like conservative propaganda.
So I kind of want to know alittle bit more about what
you're trying to communicate.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
Okay, I think for all of history, everywhere, people
have understood the human personto have something to do with
his body.
So, like your body hassomething to do with who you are
.
Now there is an alternativeview, which is called Gnosticism
.
It's a view that our bodiesdon't really have.
So, to be clear, that is nottrue.

Speaker 2 (22:28):
I've looked it up myself.
I have no connection.
He lied about this.

Speaker 6 (22:33):
Bodies, and I see in the transgender ideology a kind
of Gnosticism that says that youcould look like a man, you
could have a man's genetics,you're going to have a man's
genitals, you could have have aman's everything, but if you
feel on some deep level you arereally a woman and I don't think
that's.
He knew way too much aboutleather stuff.
The social effects of that arereally bad because it leads to

(22:54):
the uh, depriving women of theirlegitimate rights.
In some cases it leads to rapes, notably in the last few years,
and it also leads to womenlosing their sports competitions
.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
and there's, I see an uncomfortable face in fifth
place that is a complete lie,amala, because you're just as
dumb as he is.
That's a complete lie.
No, don't stop it.
Don't stop it.
I want, I want to play this out.

Speaker 6 (23:18):
I have a lot to say about this, so it's bad for
everyone and it's not groundedin reality oh, I don't even
think you understand what yousay.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
sometimes I don't think you even understand what
you say because when we talkabout these rape cases of women
in the restroom, they're comingfrom cis men like you.
No no that's not true.

Speaker 6 (23:33):
Do not interrupt a black woman when she's speaking.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm just trying to correct you Do not interrupt a
black woman when she's speaking.
I would never interrupt a blackwoman.
Woman, oh no, our clip got tiny.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
it still counts, okay , as a trans man, size doesn't
matter you are going around,you're spewing that rhetoric,
weaponizing this rhetoricagainst trans people.
We, as trans people, exist.
We are one percent of thepopulation and there is a lot of
power in the trans identity.
Because you are sitting herespewing something to me that

(24:05):
doesn't really?

Speaker 6 (24:05):
exist.
I'm not spewing anything, I'mjust stating facts.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
I have lived experience.
You don't and you never will.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
But I mean, I would OK, we really got off the topic
here, because the topic waswomen being raped by transgender
identifying individuals.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
That was not the topic.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
That was not the topic.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Thank you for saying that she's a liar and a drifter.

Speaker 4 (24:25):
We can go through a litany of stories of transgender
identifying individualsassaulting women and young girls
.
A litany, oh, hold on, checkthis out, please.
You can check out her X feed ifyou want to find story after
story.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
We've covered on this channel different stories Track
all that, but not any of thesecis men.
All that, but not any of thesecis men.

Speaker 4 (24:41):
Attacking women and men.
If you want to look up onestory just right now by going on
Google, type in the name HannahTubbs.
Okay, stop it right there.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Okay, so I wanted all that to play out for a specific
reason, okay, so the case thatshe's talking about apparently
this individual did sexuallyassault a 10-year-old in the
bathroom.
However, they transitionedlater, so it was after.
So the transition and the namechange and everything happened

(25:15):
after I was just reading aboutit and what it was was they were
a juvenile at the time and soso what like 16 or something?
Yeah, but they just gotconvicted of this at age 28, a
few years back, and so theydecided to charge them as a
juvenile, not as an adult.
Now I do have a rebuttal tothat.

(25:35):
If we're going to talk, ifthat's going to be Amala's
talking point, let's talk aboutthe cis women who have had sex
with underage boys whileteaching them in school.
I actually have a case righthere, and it was actually a
Lifetime movie about it.
Let me refresh some memoriesright here, shit.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I can't even say too much, honey, you already know.
I can't even say too much.
I went to sleepaway camp.
Let's just say that.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
That's who I'm talking about.
You better talk about it.
Come on, we about to get itwith miss amala.
Let's, let's get into it.
Should I really talk about?

Speaker 3 (26:11):
blossom I can tell you as a very presently queer
young person.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
There was a lot of older women that came after me.
Oh yeah, 100, I believe you.
That were way too, and we'retalking about mary k.
How do you pronounce her last?
Name letourneau letourneau yeah, yeah, so she was the one that
had sex with her her sixth gradestudent and actually had kids
with them later on it was asubject of the movie called.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
All-American Girl when he was in high school, with
her yeah.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
And then she passed away a few years ago.
And so what Amala is trying tosay, in my opinion, is you're
trying to weaponize an entiregroup of people like trans women
for this one story, but are wenot weaponizing cis women for
her story?
No, that's what I'm notunderstanding.
We're not doing that.
And so for you, amala, to situp there and try to weaponize a

(26:50):
group of people who had nothingto do with that, yeah at all who
will also say boys will be boysfor cis men when this stuff
happens, or you know what?

Speaker 3 (26:59):
oh, it's not that big of a deal.
But when trans people whichalso another point it still
wasn't a trans personTechnically, if we're going to
play the technicality and thesemantics that they love to play
the semantics of it is, thisperson did this as a minor
pre-transition, right?
So technically, in thatidentity they were a cis person

(27:21):
doing this.
And now you've taken thatnarrative to twist it Just so
again you can once again createthis one more statistic because
you guys reach every which wayon the internet to find the one
time it happens.
But you have thousands, hundredsof millions of cases of rape
from cisgender men.
And again, most people know mycase, my, you know, I'm going to

(27:46):
say suspect in my case, withDNA found and everything that
happened to me, blossom.
You know the whole story, right, I had to change my employment
and move and my whole life andlost more than I'm even ready to
talk about on the podcast yet.
But, right, and the way thatespecially sexual violence

(28:11):
happens from cisgender men andthe way the system is set up for
them to just basically get awaywith it because, even if I'm
sorry, scarlett- Please keepcontinuing.

Speaker 5 (28:23):
I'm fine.
You need to share your story.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I've told it a lot and I so I'm a little numb to it
at a certain point, becauseI've used it to help people,
empower them.
With the activism that I'vedone, I've literally changed
laws for this, but, like whathappened to me, I was able to
change all that stuff mypersonal justice.
That person got to live theirlife and is living their life

(28:50):
and walking on the streets andand and didn't just harm me,
harmed another person who killedthemselves.
There was so much in my casethat I never got justice part of
the reason why I even startedthis podcast, because I feel
like I lost my voice through allof the struggle that I went
through.
Um, and it was part of myhealing process and that's why I
you know, even though we madethe joke in the beginning

(29:10):
blossom.
I really do love you and I loveour partnership and the things
we've been through together,like, oh I love.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Oh, you already know I love you.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
I, I genuinely love you from the bottom of my heart
what amala is doing is amazingis is is like as someone who's
actually like, and not only that, like when my story popped off,
everybody's story of whathappened to them in in the areas
they came to me flooding, andthere's so many stories of
sexual violence and majority ofthose stories are cis gender men

(29:39):
.
Gay or straight doesn't matter,it's cis gender men that are
doing this and there's no energy.
It's like you say you careabout women's sports but you
can't name the top fivebasketball players.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
She can never give reputable resources.
If you ever listen to Amla'svideos, I've called her out many
times of this and I'm a firmbeliever.
That's why she had me on herpodcast with Buck Angel, because
I called her out about nothaving reputable resources.
I'm sorry, jk Rowling, givingopinion pieces is not reputable
Girl, please.
I tried to google.

(30:11):
I can't these cases that shespeaks so much about.
I couldn't find nothing.
The whole thing michael wastelling me about the narcissist,
whatever it's, somethingdealing with plants and
photosynthesis, with the venusfly trap I saw nothing on what
he was saying and almost likethat's that's.
That's not a lie, because y'alllike to grift.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Because she's not going to check her.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
She's not going to check anything, and the people
that follow her, that love herand support her or whatever like
that, they fall for it andthat's on them.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
But sometimes that plays to their advantage because
, like Scarlett said, she'sexperienced the left harming her
.

Speaker 5 (30:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
So it's like where's the nuance?
Where do we find, how do weactually support people that are
in these spaces?
Because a lot of these peopleare like, oh, I care about a
survivor, I care about this.
You know, I had reached out toso many people influencers back
when I was.
Nobody gave a shit until Ireally reached a certain
threshold, and even then theywere still like oh, good job.

(31:07):
You know, and there was not theresources and, surprisingly,
people that are extremelyproblematic, that would get
canceled on the internet, like Iwas telling scarlet before we
were shooting, were some of themost helpful people to me and
reached out to me and checked upon me and made sure I was okay,
you know.
So it's like we have to createa nuance and a space for people
to grow and have conversation,because I understand mistakes

(31:30):
can be made, like no transperson is perfect.
Let's be 100% real and that'swhy I understand why you were
giving that to Michael when youhad that, because you were
trying to in a debate.
You're trying to concede insome sense so that there is a
middle ground, so you reach apoint of communication where you
guys understand each other.
But with this Jubileeproduction and it happens quite
often is like they clip, farm itand then you get pasted.

(31:52):
As you know this person whothinks this way.
You don't know what two-spiritis, even though that's your
near-lived experience.
Blossom is the angry black woman, every chance that they can get
and it's like how many timesare you going to see the
conversation around trans peopleand not just get tired Like
we've got?
And I know it's cliche, I knowLaverne Cox said it, but I'm

(32:13):
going to say it again.
I've already said it before weare focusing on the wrong 1%.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
No, and I even going back to what you said about Mary
Letourneau, I at my high schoolthere was a teacher that was
having sex with an underagestudent.
Her daughter was actually her,his daughter was actually her,
his boyfriend so they weretogether.
It was so fucked.
So it's not like this is justlike a one time.

(32:38):
And there was another teacherat a high school near me that
did the same thing and they wereboth women.
So like it isn't just transpeople and it's not just men
either.
Yeah, so I don't like the overgeneralization of like, oh, it's
just trans people that aregoing out.
Girl, when I go to the bathroom, I'm walking in to walk out.
I need to pee.
Get me out of there, like god.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
It's so frustrating right, but people like Amla
don't want to have a genuineconversation.
Yeah, right, you know.
And so there was one more pieceand I really wanted to react
and this one may be a little bitlonger because I have a lot to
say because she wanted to knowwhat's the difference between a
man and a trans woman, and sowe're going to.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
There's a lot of differences.
Can we touch on the lastsubject before you go?

Speaker 2 (33:18):
there.
Yeah, go for it, go for it.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
So the one thing that I thought was kind of
interesting was like Blair Whitereacted to me and like she said
I looked over glazed.
And like what she said, youlooked over glazed.
Yeah, she said like my brainlooked calcified or something,
but I wanted to touch on that.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Get out of here.
That's her upper top lip move.
I have not seen Blur White'supper top lip move, in my
opinion, in so long.

Speaker 5 (33:42):
How dare she come for you?
Absolutely not.
There was a reason for that.
And like, going back to likeyour story, I had a similar
experience Like when I was aminor.
I was fiercely sexuallyassaulted.
I had a similar experience Likewhen I was a minor.
I was fiercely sexuallyassaulted and nobody cared
because I was a boy.
And they were like that doesn'thappen to boys and like men
don't do that and like that was.
You know, it was a Christianperson, and so I was like they
don't do that.
And so when I was having thatconversation with Michael, I was

(34:04):
very like not present becauseof the way he was downplaying
like the seriousness of sexualassault.
Yeah, I was like, yeah, I'mlike you can see how I'm
reacting to it now.
I'm like if I were to continueto like show any emotion with
him, I would have had the samereaction.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yeah, you would have pulled a.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Ben Shapiro.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
Nice to meet you I loved that.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
That was my favorite.
But I also experienced sexualabuse at the hands of a director
and I wasn't even looked at,even though I was showing clear
signs that I was being um abused.
Yeah, nobody cared because Iwas a little boy and I was 16.
So they're like oh, no, littleboys can, at 16, are gonna get
assaulted and not talk about it,and it very much so does happen

(34:46):
.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Yeah, like, yeah, so you were seeing all of you guys
are, oh my gosh I don't even fitthe male gaze, so they don't
think that like I could even beassaulted.
They're just like, oh, that's adyke woman, like that's how
they see me, and they're likewho would want to have sex with
that?

Speaker 2 (35:00):
but like yeah, check my ds, all right.
So let's squeeze this in reallyquickly, y'all, because I got
one more thing.
Oh no, we got plenty of time.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
make sure I paid extra for a long episode today.
Don't worry, daddy's got you Dowe have time.
We got hella time.
Listen, keep it going, keep itflowing.
I like the conversation.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I'm like oh my gosh, y'all have to forgive me today
because I'm so anxious to dothis.
I've been studying, practicing,because it's time to hear my
side of the story.
So let's just play this lastclip from miss ekbu nambi oh,
I'm just, I'm just trying tocorrect.

Speaker 6 (35:36):
Well, I would never, I would, I would never interrupt
a black woman.
Thank, you.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
I would never interrupt a black woman.
Think about me as a black.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
That is your trademark.
I love it.
I am not a.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
It is when they hate it.
It's harmful that you are goingaround.
You're spewing that rhetoric,weaponizing this rhetoric
against trans people.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
Weaponizing facts.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
Transgenderism does not exist.
We, as trans people exist.
We are 1% of the population andthere is a lot of power in the
trans identity, because you aresitting here spewing something
to me that doesn't really exist.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
I'm not spewing anything, I'm just stating facts
plainly, I have livedexperience.

Speaker 2 (36:07):
You don't, you don't and you never will, but I mean I
would, I would.
Okay, we really got off the topokay, this is where we did.
I push the same button againyou might have pushed the same
by transgender identifyingindividuals you're supposed to
hit three.

Speaker 4 (36:18):
That's not true.
In fact it is.
Oh, it is three who are rapingthese women.
Okay, now you can go through alitany of stories of transgender
identifying individualsassaulting women and young girls
.
Jk Rowling has done extensivework on this topic.
You can check out her X feed ifyou want to find story after
story.

Speaker 3 (36:35):
Fictional writer.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
All different stories of transgender, identifying
individuals, attacking women andmen.
Someone who writes about wandsis your point of reference, just
right now by going on Google,type in the name Hannah Tubbs.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Pretty much just stole Star Wars with wands.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
A male who assaulted a young girl, a little girl,
sexually assaulted.
That little girl went on toidentify as transgender.
Has the whole name changed to?

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Hannah.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
So we can substantiate these claims.
Now Blossom is going to makethe argument that there are cis
men who are weaponizing thetrans identity in order to
assault women, and I in no waydeny that that is a fact that
there are, men may actuallyagree on oh, look at that.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
You actually one thing you convinced her.
Look, she's changing watch,she's going to be on the podcast
and we're all going to behugging once it's in the future
thing again between a cis manand a transgender woman even
blair white.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
She's going to come to the podcast to watch what the
difference is between those twoindividuals, and you can't give
me a difference because let'spause it.
I do.
If you've gone through themedical, stop it that's where I
wanted to do that at.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
yeah, no, so I actually can appreciate amla for
saying this.
You know there are manydifferences between trans women
and cisgender men.
One really has to do withgender identity and let's be
very clear cis men do not have agender identity problem with
With trans women.
There is an incongruency ofsome sort, and so trans women

(37:56):
depending on what that lookslike transition off of that.
Now, some trans womentransition physically, some just
do it emotionally, spiritually,mentally, like.
There are so many differentways of doing that and we have
to remember the transgendercommunity is on a spectrum.
There's so many different things, and I find it crazy that you

(38:19):
would even ask me that, amala,when you're a debater yourself
and you can't even look up thatinformation.
There are so many reputableresources, which I'm actually
going to give you some thattalks about gender identity.
One reputable resource, in myhumble opinion, is the 2012 book
Introduction to BehavioralScience and Medicine that says
that, with exceptions, genderidentity develops surprisingly

(38:41):
rapidly in early childhood yearsand, in the majority of
instances, appear to become atleast partially irreversible by
the age of three and four.
Drop the fact, even the NationalPublic Institute of Health
talks about gender identity, andso there's a lot of reputable
resources for gender identity,and I think what you try to do

(39:01):
is you want to try to look atthings from a practical point of
view.
All y'all want to talk about isbiological sex, but let's also
talk about the women, because Ithink in your because we didn't
watch the whole video and I kindof wish we did I love you to
death, but amala talked aboutwhen you were doing this part,
or what or whatnot.
They were talking about michael, no saying oh, you can tell a

(39:22):
trans woman when you see one,absolutely not.
That's not necessarily true,because that's why ben shapiro
said bro and here's the thingsome cis women like amala can
experience transphobia the sameway we can, because when we talk
about genetics I've talkedabout this on pierce morgan
everybody act like they don'twant to hear me.
There are some cis women amani,khalif naturally have higher

(39:43):
testosterone levels, like herand who had to experience that
transphobia and we're seeingvideos of cis women being
accused of being trans in thebathroom- Transvestigated.
And being attacked and harassedbecause of what Amala and
Michael Knowles and Blair Whiteand Chuck Angel are pushing on
the internet.
In our humble opinion, like cis, women are being highly

(40:07):
affected by that, and followedby men.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
Security, like following them into the women's
press room.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Conversations are cumulative, and that's the thing
that these folks don't quiteunderstand is that they're
creating the narrative on theinternet and it's like we as a
human society, conversations are100% cumulative.
So if we're all having thisconversation and there's a bunch
of people that are creatingthis narrative.
Of course it's going to startcreating this idea.
It's like I see a red car.

(40:34):
You're going to start alwaysseeing a red car if you're
always looking for a red car.
It's that whole theory and it'slike you're perpetuating that
to then create a narrative abouttrans people, while the
percentage of trans people toeven exist is still 1%.
Meanwhile, you have an entirehuge system set up for all of

(40:55):
these other people to causeabuse and you're just silent on
it and, if anything, you findways to co-sign it in ways and
be like, oh again, not so bad,not so hard, or I can see how
that happened, or this, that andthe other, but you don't have
that grace for trans people.
Check out the loophole.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
I'm going to tell you what Amala and them are doing.
They're trying to take transpeople who don't transition
physically but more socially,mentally and other things, and
trying to stick cis men rapingpeople and all of a sudden
identifying as trans afterwardsinto that and trying to make a
talking point.
I've heard it with MichaelKnowles, I've heard it with
Blair and I'm like okay, so I'mcatching the loopholes.
Now I'm catching what y'all aretrying to do and that's not

(41:34):
okay.
A lot of these cis men aredoing it just because they're
despicable and disgusting, butit's not coming from trans women
.
Trans women are an identity andthis whole thing around
transgenderism being an ideologyhow are we an ideology when
we're sitting right here infront of you?
That makes no sense.
In front of you.
That makes no sense, andMichael and Amala are too dumb
in my opinion to see it.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I was trying to explain it in my debate too.
I was trying to explain it.
Yes, you were Like hello, Ihave lived experience.
I'm sitting in front of you asa trans woman.
I have that experience.
You cannot sit here and tell methat it's just an ideology.
What happens to the woman?

Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, what does he think?
And here's the thing Amala andMichael.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
You're just going to disappear.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
They play off of trans issues.
They play off of making contentand debates on trans issues,
issues that they don't evenexist, I'm sorry, issues that
they don't even live.
They do not live theseexperiences and, amala, grifts
of trans issues all the time andI'm going to check you issues
all the time and I'm going tocheck you because we need to
really talk about this wholething.
With me appearing on thepodcast with Buck Angel, this is

(42:35):
the part I've never addressedin two years.

Speaker 3 (42:39):
Now, as y'all know, Get the tea.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
It's hot, let's get ready, yeah, so my first Jubilee
debate was called trans womenversus conservative women.
That's where I met Amala andI've met other people there, and
so a lot was edited out, but meand Amala were the ones going
back and forth, like I have toadmit, like in that debate I
thought she was really good.
You know what I mean.
To keep up with me.
I thought we were just havingyeah, we were sparring pretty

(43:01):
well and she worked at thisparticular platform, which we
will not name, or whatnot, andso, cause I didn't know who she
was, and so in that video Iasked, do you have any resources
?
Because she was talking aboutbone density and she tried to
reverse the question back to me.
She was like do you know theamount of bone density?
Da-da-da-da-da.
And I was just like no, I don't, because I'm not going to

(43:24):
listen to that, because it's notreal and it's not true, because
everybody has different bodychemistry.
Yeah, I know 100%.
And you don't know somebody'schromosomal account, somebody's
bone density level, the size ofsomebody's heart and lungs.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, my feet are bigger than Blossom's actually.
Yeah, they actually are.
I'm a size 14 in men's andshe's like damn.

Speaker 2 (43:41):
But conservatives play off of that talking point
and they've tried to make itinto something, and so that was
that.
Now Amala, at the end of thatepisode, asked me verbally if I
would come on her podcast withother trans women.
I thought it was okay becausewe had just debated with other
trans women, and I want you tounderstand something this was my
first debate.
That debate that we're talkingabout was my first debate.

(44:03):
Technically, this was my seconddebate, but I don't include
this in my accounts of debatesand so I came there and so I was
like, let me just be open,honest.
We had a good conversation onset.
Me and the ladies got along whynot?
So a couple of days before,amala sends me a text message
saying that Buck was going to beon there Now for me, I got

(44:28):
upset because I was just likethese aren't the trans women
that you verbally told me.
However, this is what she keepsvillainizing me for and
criminalizing me for.
I did say okay, I'm still goingto come, even though it was not
originally what she said, andyou have to remember I'm a new
debater at this time.
I wanted to be kind, I wantedto be nice.

(44:51):
I said okay, but that stilldoes not take away from the fact
that you told me verbally thatit was going to be other women,
trans women, on your podcast.
And Amala, you know you said it.
You said it verbally to me.
So while you're lying to yourbase, won't you actually tell
them the truth?
It does not take away the textmessage about buck, does not

(45:12):
take away from what you told meverbally about it.
So we get to the podcast and weI was greeted okay, she was
bootlicking the Buck Angel.
They were worshiping Buck Angellike nobody's business.
But that was my first timemeeting him and, ironically, me
and Buck were great on set.
We did not argue.

(45:33):
It wasn't no snootiness orwhatever.
So for us to kind of be mortalenemies after it is what it is
Because he's two-faced.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
Because he went behind your back.
Exactly he's very two-faced.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
What did he do?
Uh, oh gosh, so it was funnybecause I didn't catch this to
like this uh, the debate withblair that we did so when we
were on set.
Um, I did remind him that hecalled a black trans woman a
monkey yeah, ashley mary preston, yeah, yeah, um, and so I
didn't mention the name there,but he pretty much got canceled
after that.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
But he got, so canceled he's like what?
That is a lie that he came to aprotest and everybody's like
why the hell are you here?
And he.
They made him leave becausethey were.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
Yeah, it was bad yeah , so he, he's like in person
community, not online like reallife yeah, he's a compulsive
liar and being there with onthat set with amala.
It's funny because amala madethis slick comment about um, her
producer being there by thecomputer in case she needed to
look up anything, because it wasa jab at me for telling her

(46:36):
where are your sources for whatyou're saying?
Because I wanted to look upthese sources.
Like I'm a debater, I'm aresearcher.
If you're gonna spew statisticsand spew things to me, you
should be able to tell me whereyou're getting it from.
Amla never does that, buckAngel never does that, nor Blair
White does that.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
Jubilee doesn't even do it Realize.
We don't know until it'sproduced.
I need to know.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
That's how I found out that Michael Knowles was
spewing bullshit to me in adebate, and so we debated.
That was that.
I am still entitled to mypersonal experience and my
personal feelings.
Now, the fact that Amla doesnot like that and calls it lying
, that's on her, and you know, Iwant to say something else to

(47:16):
Amla and I'm going to wrap thisup.
I'm going to truly wrap this up.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
No, feel free, because she's been coming for
you for a few months.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Yeah, because here's the thing.
She was on Piers Morgan morganum a while ago and they were
talking about dei um.
I think she was on her withmark lamont and everything or
whatever, and amala was talkingabout dei needs to die.
Well, amala, check this, clapback.
Weren't you the dei higher at acertain platform?
Before they candace owens yourass, damn before they candace

(47:43):
owens you out.
And now you're at home makingvideos damn making your content
from videos because you had aproducer there, the white guy.
Where is he?

Speaker 3 (47:51):
wait, and it's a verb now yeah, they can.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
This owns you there because they wanted to remind
you.
You are still in fear.
You are deemed inferior as ablack person.
Sometimes she's identified as ablack person.
Sometimes she's identified as amixed person.
Other times she's identified asa black person and she's
entitled to that.
But here's the thing, and wetalk so much about who was
assigned what at birth.

(48:15):
Just like Amla cannot help thatshe has a black father and a
white mother, that's assigned toher, trans people cannot help
what they were assigned before,the incongruency.
And so this whole thing aboutbiology, biology, biology again,
y'all don't want to talk aboutgenetics, like y'all.
Y'all don't want to do any ofthese things.

(48:36):
But and let me also make thisclear she also said this, I
think, about all of us.
She said no matter how muchhormones you take, the surgeries
you have, you will never be awoman.
Let me check you on that.
Let me make it very clear theamount of hormones and amount
that I do to my body totransition is not a threat to
cis women and it's none of yourdamn business.
I am not out here trying to bea threat to cis women because I

(49:01):
want to live my life intransition.
I am not out here trying totake up anything from anybody.
I'm not trying to take up spacefrom anyone, since women
deserve a seat at the table aswell as trans women.
Trans women are a type of women.
Trans is adjective okay, transis an adjective and it describes
the type of woman that it is,and so this whole ideology that

(49:22):
y'all are trying to spew iscrazy to me.
All I saw online in your videowas jealousy.
I saw a lot of projection and Ifeel like you feel threatened
by trans women, and that's noton us, that falls on you.
I think those braids you had inyour hair are screwed in a
little too tight to your brain.

(49:42):
To be quite honest with you andI say that with love and
respect I'm you and I say thatwith love and respect.
I'm gonna actually say thatwith love and respect here,
because the thing is, you nevertalk about anything else.
All you want to do is grift totrans issues.
You will never be a trans woman.
You will never, ever in yourentire life, be a trans woman or
experience what we face.

(50:03):
You are in a place of privilege.
You are so lucky as a cis womanthat you don't have to go
through the harassment and thediscrimination and the violence
that we, as trans people, gothrough.
It doesn't matter if you're atrans man or a trans woman or a
non-binary person.
You are in a place of privilegewhere you can sit behind your
little funky camera and saythese things about trans people.
But the reality of it is Icleared you in the first debate.

(50:26):
I annihilated you and destroyedyou in the first debate in my
humble opinion, and you've neverbeen able to get over it.
But after this, I'm done withyou.
I pay you to dust Dust and Iwant you to know that.
And so that is my truth, that ismy experience, and I am not
backing down from it anymore Iwish amala, instead of sending

(50:48):
her base to weaponize us in thecomments or whatever, how about
you actually engage in arespectful dialogue with trans
people and not buck angel, notblair white, not a trans
conservative, because transconservatives are oxymoron and
those that follow you, I think,are lost in the sauce per usual
and cause?
Some of those people actuallydid write to me in the DM.

(51:10):
They were talking about you andI in particular, something
about us being emotional.
Well, here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
They said we were all emotional.
Yeah, Even say that, but butbut what's?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
but here's the thing.
What's wrong with beingemotional when you have an
administration that's attackingtrans people, that's sitting up
there trying to eradicate transpeople by saying that on our
passports you can only be maleor female?
There is nothing wrong withshowing emotion.
A lot of y'all don't have theemotional capacity and the
emotional intelligence.
That's the problem here.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
It's powerful to be able to express emotion and even
at time like at times empathywithin a conversation to
somebody that doesn't deserve it.
I was.
I at some point just kind ofput my hands down with michael
and was free of that, or evenlike I saw a bunch like the one
that really got me was chloecole she had a lot to say about

(52:02):
me on twitter did.

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Did she really and?

Speaker 2 (52:04):
she did.
Now, who was this?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
She's a very, very, very prominent detransitioner.
That was mentioned in my debatewith Michael Knowles.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Conservative propaganda.

Speaker 3 (52:12):
Detransitioners are not real, didn't she like
testify?
They're conservative propaganda.
Did she testify?
That makes like a whole bunchof money.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
So essentially she has come from what I saw,
because I didn't know who shewas before it was told to me, um
, in the debate.
She is somebody who wastransitioned as a minor, had
surgeries as a minor andobviously was a product from.
She clearly wasn't trans and Idon't feel that detransitioners

(52:39):
represent the trans communitythey don't.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
And here's the thing, though.
Minors can't have surgeries.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
You have to be a, she has claimed that she got a her
breasts removed as a at what age?
But at what age?
I I don't know exactly what age, but I know that she claimed
she was a minor because a minoris such a spectrum it is well
yeah, because they'll cut it offat 16.
I'm thinking it was 16.
Okay, so it just it was.

(53:06):
What'd you say?

Speaker 3 (53:07):
I said it's usually 16, but it's not just like oh, I
want surgery, you don't have tohave a parent and guardian sign
off on it, and then it's awhole process which
conservatives never mention themthe mental evaluation that we
have to have, the physicalevaluation and the the doctors
coming in and psychiatristscoming in, therapists coming in
saying are you sure this is what?

Speaker 2 (53:25):
you want to do Especially.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
That was like Kim Petras' surgeon was even like.

Speaker 5 (53:30):
I didn't want to operate on her until I talked to
her and I was like, oh, she hasthis fierce track record of
being trans.
Like it's fine.
And she's so happy right now,so like that's how it worked.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
And I think the transitioners are nothing more
than conservative propagandathat Blair and Buck have
actually tried to amplify.
I don't know, I just I willtell you I actually, uh, I'm
gonna get them on the podcast,it's.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
I've been talking to some detransitioners that are
actually positive, they're notalways negative.
There's a few out there.
There's a group there is likeand like.
They are supportive but, peoplelike Chloe Cole, who do come
from like a very right link.
She she's friends with Michael.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
Knowles.
It feels like it's tell me howdo they all know each other?
So that's like that's the thingpeople are not noticing.

Speaker 1 (54:12):
It's like funny how he was talking about how they
were all together the nightbefore in my debate.
It's like, oh so what are youguys doing?
Like, what were you planning?

Speaker 3 (54:19):
What's the key.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
Yeah, what's the?

Speaker 1 (54:21):
key.
So it just was very upsettingto me because I one I have never
, ever before Jubilee, spokenabout anything to do with
detransitioners and so to havesomebody weaponize their
experience against me, who hasbeen experiencing this like guys
I'm talking like was a childand was expressing that I was a
girl Like you, don't get to comeat me because you had your bad

(54:44):
experience.
That has nothing to do withmine or yours.
However, what was it?
20?
20 years, seven years, it'slike that, I'm sorry.
Like just because I was the onethat got up there and had the
rage, bait, click shit that youhad got were able to use to pay
your right there yeah, furtheryour platform.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Doesn't mean you're right on YouTube I'm done.

Speaker 1 (55:06):
It just was really frustrating.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
You're welcome, Amala , by the way.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
So it just was a lot they get paid for a few days?

Speaker 2 (55:14):
No for sure.
I mean Blair White platform.

Speaker 3 (55:17):
Without us, they wouldn't have content.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Fuck Angel and Blair's YouTube numbers are
tanking.
I noticed that too.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Amala's is too her tiktok.
She doesn't make content asmuch anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I couldn't even find her tiktok.
I was going to go find it andit couldn't.
I couldn't find anything.
It all just looked like fanpages yeah, fan page girl.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
So, scarlet, you've been a little quiet over there.
I have a question.
Okay, how do you feel inhindsight, even though the
michael noel situation wasinteresting, uh, would you do it
again?

Speaker 5 (55:47):
no, no baby I would never I would never work for
jubilee again.
Um, I talked to like three orfour producers about my
experience and the runaround wasjust not very good for me like
what the answer they?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
gave and also, just like the left's reaction, I was
like, baby, you don't need it,then you don't need it like if
this is how you're gonna moreabout that, because several
what's been happening on theleft, because I'm personally
missing this, so what's yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:15):
well, harry sisson's getting canceled, and I might be
getting canceled too.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I don't know well, they can't counsel me because
I'm in syndication.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
They basically were so mad and like saying that like
I represented the transcommunity as like a fool, pretty
much by going on Jubilee andlike I we kind of talked about
it a little bit how like there'sso many different types of
trans people and I feel like mytype of trans was like different
from either of yours, whichisn't a bad thing, but like

(56:43):
that's why I wanted to get intoit, because I'm so tired of like
, when people think of me andsee me, they're like, oh, you're
like Blair White and I get itall the time.
Oh, do you know Blair White?
Do you know Brandy?
I'm like no, baby, I'm not likethat at all.
Like please, don't like makethat connection.
And so that was why I wanted toget into activism.
Because I'm like I'm tired ofgoing out in public and like
people assuming I'm just someconservative, like trans person,

(57:05):
because I fit their idea ofbeauty or whatever they're
looking for, and that a lot ofthat has to do with living in
Ohio, like it's being possiblein Ohio is like you're to go
like all the girls any any wayto get past.
Well, we're going to go for it,because you are so stigmatized
and so just like fucked aroundin public for no reason.
My first job I had, um, Ibarely could even get it and

(57:29):
somebody was like oh, you're atranny huh.
Like literally five secondsinto work and I was like, um,
they always clock it like Iguess diva, like okay, shut the
fuck up like employment I thinkis the hardest place to not get
clocked.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
It's like fuck, I have to work with this person,
or even like when kids come inand then they're like, hi, what
are?

Speaker 2 (57:47):
you, I'm like ah.
I get so nervous.
I'll never forget I was inApplebee's in Long Beach and it
was a bunch of kids having abirthday party right behind me,
and so when I got up, all thekids went oh, she's tired, and
before they started clocking teaI had to hurry up and get up
out of there.
I was like, let me go get upout of here.
They're going to start clockingthe tea Stop.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
No, they will.
They're the first ones.
And it's ruthless.
It's like what Worst than anyconservative I've ever met in my
life.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
I'm like the day before my FFS thought I was
looking so picky.
I had heels on.
I was like we're about to getsearched tomorrow.
Like, yes, got me, got me sogood.
I'm so shocked.
The mom was fierce, though shewas like Timmy, shut up girl
Like be quiet.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Oh my gosh.
So because I know we're goingto wrap up things, so've been
open about it on your Instagram.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Talk to us about what's going on and how people
can support you.
Yeah, so I lived in Ohio.
I was from Ohio and my chosenfamily moved down to LA a couple
years back and I had a housingcrisis two of them actually in
Ohio and I was just sleepingfrom friends to friends, trying
to make it work and going to myjob, and nothing was really
working out for me.
So I texted my mom and I wasjust like sleeping from friends
to friends, like trying to makeit work and like going to my job
, and it just nothing was reallylike working out for me.

(59:09):
So I texted my mom and I waslike what do I do?
And she was like you can comelive with us.
So I was supposed to come downhere eventually, but I'm just
here so early.
And the point of like, when Iwas homeless, I racked up huge
amounts of debt because I wastrying to stay in Ohio and like
keep my job.
I had a really, really good job.

(59:30):
It was like the best job I'veever had.
It was practically salaried,like I'd never gotten an
opportunity like that before.
And then, you know, I movedhere and like I could not get
anything.
I'm like.
I've worked for severalcompanies and I was like, can I
just have a referral?
Like whatever.
I couldn't get anything.
And so I've like been dabblingwith, like hustling and just
like trying to find any way toget anything.
Um, and it lucked out that oneof my old managers finally made

(59:52):
a call for me and she was likegirl, like come back and work
for this company.
And so I finally got somethingthat works.
And then before that I did havea job, but like they cut my
hours to five hours a week and Iwas driving.
It was like what'd you say?
I said what the fuck?
Yeah, and so it was like apart-time job and it was good at
first and I was driving like anhour to get to work and like I

(01:00:13):
serviced several stores and itwas a great place to work, like
I really loved it.
But they just like couldn'tkeep clients an hour.
Like that's literally my gas.
You know what I?

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
mean yeah, and you put up a GoFundMe.

Speaker 5 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
It's on your IG, right?
So y'all, if you're on IG,please go to Scarlett's IG page
and donate to her GoFundMe,please.
Helping a trans person is thegreatest gift that you can give
anyone, and so we definitelywant you to become housed and we
definitely want you safe and soy'all, anybody that's watching

(01:00:49):
this, please like, go and donateto Scarlett like she's a
wonderful also sugar babyavailable.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Link in bio for Scarlett.
You know Shane as well.
You want to send me money?
Venmo's in bio.
No, I did get offered $5,000this week why you didn't take it
.
We live in listen, I'll tellyou this we're in California
$5,000 this week why you didn'ttake it.
We live in.
Listen, I'll tell you this.
We're in California.
My wife said to take it.
I might, who knows, we'll findout.
This is why I love his wife.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Shout out to Nicole Hi, nicole, sweetie, how are you
?
Hey, baby, I always say this toShay she's the more reasonable
one, she's the more reasonableone.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
She's the more reasonable one.
What did you say earlier offset about that kiss?

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Oh yeah, so me and Shay were coming up with a skit,
and Nicole already knows it.
I'm going to tell my man aboutit because I have a partner too,
and so my man, my man, my man,my man.
And so Shay, I think, kissed meon the jaw and I was just like,

(01:01:50):
oh my God, I just startedlaughing and kicking.
I was like, oh my God, I seewhy Nicole has been around for
20 years.
I see exactly why, In my head,we're like besties and so I'm
just like oh.
I got a kiss from my best friend.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
It was so nice and so kind.
You felt the bass in that kiss,don't you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Yeah, I was just like .
Shay is such a hot boy, Iunderstand why the girls crave
him and all the things, orwhatever.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
When I get enough followers, more stories will be
told, but I just can't tell ityet.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So are we winding down Solomon?
I think we are, Are we?

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
done.
So are we winding down?
Uh solomon?
I think we are.
I think we're done, I thinkyeah.
There's one more thing I wantto ask before we go to uh stassi
.
I want to ask you first um,what advice, because I'm sure
jubilee is going to probablycast maybe somebody else.
Uh, what advice would you givethat new queer person that's
never debated before, so theycan go in there and kick ass?
What would you tell them to todo for jubilee, especially if

(01:02:48):
they're going to face somebodylike michael knolls, because we
know how the girls like totussle over there.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
So yeah, um, I would just say, like, don't go in with
any expectations.
I think the way that you and Iwalked in was very like, great,
like not everybody can beblossom like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:05):
That's true, that like stance like I.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
I don't like I.
I have a very differentdelivery than you, yes, a very
different delivery than you, andI think it's important to
spread awareness to thatdiversity among trans women and
all trans people.
Um, but just I, I mean beprepared to like it's easy, like
the hate is a lot, and I amopen to working with Jubilee.

(01:03:30):
So I don't have anythingplanned as of yet, but I don't
know how open I am to going backand doing like a debate of that
type with, like somebody likeMichael Knowles ever again.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
That was a lot, yeah, so absolutely, I think, with me
, cause this is something elsethat came up in all my videos,
or whatnot like.
Why does jubilee keep bringingme back?
A lot of y'all in the commentsin our video many people.
They were like raise your handsif you want to vote.
Blossom out of jubilee.
They were over.
That video got almost a hundred.
It almost got a hundred thousandlikes yeah, and so here's the

(01:04:04):
thing I love it that they bringme back, because what it is is I
give a defense to the bullshitthat these conservatives try to
bring at me.
It's like you gotta havesomebody on the office and the
defense in order for it to be agood debate.
So I'm the missing piece and Ithink that's why I was on pierce
and, by the way, scarlet wassupposed to be on pier with me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
But they dropped.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
for some reason, they dropped her and I wanted to
also make sure that I mentionedthat I was very pissed but I
felt like I handled it very well.
You know, riley can kick rocks.
She's mad about winning fifthplace with a trans woman.

Speaker 3 (01:04:39):
She's hooping and hollering crying, four other cis
women placed ahead of her.
Yeah, exactly, very clear.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
But but I, I definitely will go back on
jubilee because it's attractingmore attention from other people
, because here's, looked at, ourmichael noel's video reached
out to you and I, and then theproject that I'm doing that's
coming out, because at thetaping, at the time of taping
this, it'll be out tomorrow, soand so it's with a prominent

(01:05:05):
celebrity.
Um, we debated, but they'rewatching stuff like this and so
for me, jubilee is pushing memore into mainstream, absolutely
and I and I love that and thething is it's kind of like
jubilee has the power to be aplatform where debaters who just
love debating can come together.

(01:05:25):
I feel like they have thecapacity and the power to be
more truly in the middle, likehave the conservative sponsors
come in, do their thing, theliberal ones come in and do
their thing, because with SamSeder coming in, the comment
section shifted completely.

Speaker 3 (01:05:41):
Well, the progressive episode.
I was in too, we kicked ass.

Speaker 2 (01:05:44):
We fucking kicked ass .

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
And I think this is where I was in too.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
We kicked ass, we fucking kicked ass, and I think
this is where I was trying tocommunicate this with you.
I think Jubilee has a swingaudience where the pendulum can
swing their way.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
I think us going on there is affecting it.
Yeah, and I do thinkconservatives tend to put a
little bit more resources intothem and I think that's what
we're picking up on yeah,Because if the left was a little
bit more supportive, because,again, like we're problematic
with a purpose, that's.
That's the famous quote that Isaid.
By the way, you know, make sure,problematic with a purpose,
problematic with a purpose andgoing into that space, I agree

(01:06:16):
with you too, because you knowin that progressive episode that
I just did.
You see, it's so funny thatit's like these cis men and
they're just like rah, rah, rah,rah, rah, rah, like fucking
dogs on each other, and then youjust go hey, shane, like, hey
Drake, I hear you like him young.
Anyways, I had to.
It felt like that moment for mebecause I think that was in part
two no, no no, you have towatch part two because that's

(01:06:39):
really I was very channelingKendrick in that like you can
even see me in part one whereI'm kind of just like because
I'm reading the room the wholetime.
I wanted you to speak more inpart one but I did it on purpose
because a a lot of thegentlemen I've had the Ben
Shapiro like fame, let's be reallike I got a lot of clout of
that and there were some newdebaters in there and I'm not

(01:07:01):
one like I don't need to be thatinfluencer that's on every
single thing.
Like people want to put me on100, but I also like to see all
boats rise, so I like to seeother people come in.
And oliver came in and I heardsome of the stuff he was saying
and I was like you know what Iwould actually might prefer a
cis man saying this, because itcould be more impactful than a
trans man.
Because people did say in thecomments, like I thought shane

(01:07:21):
was a woman, oh, ha ha ha, 25versus 24.
And they kept trying to likeread me on on, uh, even like
body stuff, and they were like,oh, I would never want his body.
First of all, you couldn't haveit.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
Yeah, and I.
Here's the thing I did get on.
I love my bestie.
I did get on him because I wasjust like you know, two moments
can be running concurrently witheach other, yeah, and the thing
is because of what's happeningwith the trans community don't
ever, ever, silence your voiceto give somebody else that space
.
I think both of y'all shouldhave been able to say what you
need to say.
Shane has a lot.

(01:07:51):
Shane just has a great heartand great spirit, but the thing
is they need to hear it from atrans.
I know they need that transmasculine voice and you are the
best.

Speaker 3 (01:08:03):
Well, I read them in the room.
In my opinion, you are the best.
Well, I read him.
In my opinion, you aredefinitely I read him in the
room represents.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You are the best representation and I know that
you can always do it and I justI told them this more in
privately, like don't you eversilence your voice?
I know you want to give up thespace I never want to take up
too much space.

Speaker 3 (01:08:19):
You know what I mean, because men can do that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
You know what I mean white so trans, we get that, but
in this moment in time, underthis administration, you do not
know I'm ready to kick ass.
I brought you not have to giveup your space.
Yeah, particularly to a cis man.
Yeah, yeah, that I canunderstand.
If it was another trans person,that okay, I understand that.
Yeah, but to a cis man, no,you're gonna have more moments

(01:08:43):
than ben shapiro.
I've had so many moments.
I've done the cnn town hall.
I had a moment.
Caitlyn jenner was a moment.
Uh, this, this pierce morgan,the project, I did like I'm and
this is what I'm trying to tellyou you're not gonna stay on
just one moment no I know thatit's to both of y'all too.
We're gonna have so many moremoments, so go out there, share

(01:09:03):
your voice, show your beauty,your heart, be yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
Let's all be expressive well, I want to say
one more thing, blossom, becausejust to add to the point, with
oliver and I will say this is atrans man on set, both sides,
even though there was a fightand everything and all of the
things that happened and all themess, please watch it both,
both parts, and try to yeah it'sout now.
Both.
Both parts are out now so youcan watch the fight.
You can see everything.
You can watch my read.

(01:09:27):
You'll see me like kind of inthe background, just kind of
sitting there like a mob boss,watching these guys say the most
problematic shit and justmaking faces at them.
In that episode I was able topoint out the hypocrisy that a
lot of these traditional men arenot even fulfilling the
promises that they're makingtraditional women, like if
you've made an agreement as aman, hey, I want you to be

(01:09:48):
traditional, you stay home, youraise the kids, I take care of
the finances.
And the point that they weremaking was like well, if the
finances aren't doing so, well,actually, uh, you know what she
needs to step up.
So it creates a space for alack of accountability for men
and to to me, as I've gottendeeper and deeper into this red
pill you know content to learnhow it works.

(01:10:10):
I'm trying to deconstruct itand help guide these guys.
In the same way, hasan istrying to bring them back.
Um, I've really learned.
Like what was that?
There's a quote from whitelotus, don't mean to quote it,
but like it was really recent.
It's like these men arefighting for the rights to be
babies, because the only personon this planet who can go and do

(01:10:31):
things and not be accountableand be accepted is babies.
So it's like you can't sitthere and say I want to be a man
, I want to step up, I want tobe a leader and all this bravado
in this episode and then turnaround and be like, actually, if
I'm not going to be a leaderand I'm not paying her bills, I
still own her, she's prop andlike they talked about women
like property, like you can seeme just slap my face so many
times because it's like that'snot how relationships work, like

(01:10:55):
with one thing I've everlearned as a man because you
said the gender roles break down.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
You cannot control women, you're right.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
You do not control.
If anything.
My wife shows up with mebecause she makes a choice,
because I make choices that shelikes the choices I make as a
man and she respects thosechoices.
I don't own her.
Even 20 years being with her,she doesn't own me.
We are equal human beings andthat's why we work together in

(01:11:25):
the way that we do.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
And I don't lie to her.

Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
don't you know like lasted, yeah, like you tells you
something you can't lie towomen, you can't do these things
, you can't create this violencefor women and then sit there
and turn around and go.
Why are we lonely?
Because your guys are beingassholes.
Like it's not that hard to bekind to women.
It's trans women, it's all thesame fucking thing, like when

(01:11:52):
people try to say what's theidentity of women?
What is a woman?
First of all, we never askedwhat a man is, clearly, and they
always try to skate thatquestion because they don't want
to define what a man is.
They want to again push it backon a woman.
To me, in my own personalopinion, um, because I've been
around trans women, cis women.
Women have an energy to them.
Men have an energy to them.

(01:12:13):
It's just a frequency thatcomes off and then non-binary
people can be in the middle ofthat frequency in certain
spectrums.
That's how I see things.
Not everybody has to see itthat way too, and I totally
respect if you can't see how Isee things.
But I can just like blossom,you give feminine.
You know what I mean.
You're not giving truck driver,you know what I mean.

(01:12:33):
Like you're giving exactly youknow, and it's like shit.
I can look at a gay man and belike I could top you because
you've really femme, because I'mvery masked, because I'm on the
other side of that spectrum.
I'm attracted to the yin andyang of that, but it's like I
think it's really important formen to have these conversations

(01:12:54):
and I think to your point aboutletting Oliver have that moment.
I was OK with it and I'm stillOK with it because of the
brotherhood that I'veexperienced on that set.
Those guys were like fans of me.
They're.
They love that I took benshapiro down.
Uh, they got excited when theysaw me.
They're like oh shit, shane'shere.
One of the guys, the, the gayguy.

(01:13:15):
That was like I'm traditionalon the red side, I forget his
name I forget his name the baldone.
He came over in the dressingroom and he was like listen, I
know we're not on the same side,but I'm such a fan of yours so
it's like there was brotherhood.
And, as a trans man, like wedon't see that we don't see
trans men genuinely put intomale spaces and dabbed up and

(01:13:37):
respected, and I'm willing to gointo those spaces.
I'll kick your ass atbasketball, I'll kick your ass
at golf, I'll race you at mariokart, I'll do all that dirt bike
bullshit and know, just give methe opportunity to show up and
have trans masculine voices inthose spaces.
And I do appreciate how thoseguys treated me on set.
And one more thing, scarlett,because we didn't pass it to you

(01:13:57):
what would your advice be forfolks on Jubilee?

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Yeah, just to stay calm as possible and kind of
know I mean, you can't reallyknow what you're going to go
into.
So I kind of wish I would havewatched some more conservatives,
like before I went to kind ofsee what their talking points
were going to be, because, likeI didn't really know where it
was going to be and then it wasthe exact opposite.

(01:14:22):
So I was like, oh well, here wego, but yeah, just being calm
and not even really addressinglike the hate.
Afterwards.
Like there were some commentsthat I was like, girl, this is
making me laugh.
People kept saying did you edityour Adam's apple out of your
pictures?
And I was like huh, I was likeno baby.

Speaker 2 (01:14:42):
Girl, you were flawless when you did this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:44):
I was like Listen, they call me fat, but never ugly
.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
They told me I looked like Ricky Lake.
I said, bitch, fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:52):
I did, guys, I said I love her.

Speaker 1 (01:14:56):
I was like but Ricky Lake is the bomb, she's my
hairspray queen.
I'm like that's a half of itand you think I look like a girl
.
Sometimes those comments doread and I'm like, damn, that
was good.
I know Somebody also commentedOptimus Prime and that got me
going.
You know that song, OptimusPrime.

Speaker 3 (01:15:11):
It just killed me.
It was really funny.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
So, ladies and gents, we have run out of time.
I want to thank both of y'allso much for coming on the
podcast.
We both appreciate you so much.
Thank y'all so much for comingon the podcast.
We both appreciate you so much.
Thank y'all so much for takingyour time to come spend it here
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