March 26, 2025 • 21 mins
Project 2025 aims to consolidate power in the executive branch by dismantling government departments and replacing career civil servants with loyalists. Anti-trans legislation across states potentially constitutes a conspiracy to violate civil rights.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
government put in loyalists to Trump only and
ripped down any department thatis considered woke, like the
education, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean but we as reason is there, I
don't know.
Yeah, well, no, I mean, look,it is a crazy ass plan to to,
yes, but advocating for removalof a government agency or
service.
You know, nothing is inherentlywrong about that, necessarily.
People have opposed theDepartment of Education from day
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one of legislation andexecutive action.
Legislation can change that.
You can't universally just getrid of it because it's
authorized by Congress.
You would have to take overCongress.
It'd have to be an act ofCongress to eliminate whatever
(00:55):
wants.
Now, certain departments are inthe US Constitution.
You can't get rid of the StateDepartment.
You can't get rid of theJustice Department.
You can't get rid of theTreasury.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Those are all constitutional departments
within you have three branchesof government, separate for the
powers to be, so Project 2025 isnot attacking those three
powers.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, it is an attempt to secure most of the power in
the executive branch by gettingrid of certain departments and
then making them operate underthe authority of the executive
office of the president.
So it is transferring it from,which is a combination
(01:37):
legislative and executivefunction, because legislature
creates it.
The executives are the ones whoget to appoint the appointees,
but most of them are all civilservice anyway.
You don't have a loyalty to apresident or a party.
When you get your job, you getit because you're a citizen and
you get to keep it.
You know it doesn't get changedout with the change of every
(02:03):
administration.
It doesn't get changed out withthe change of every
administration.
Could you imagine thegovernment trying to operate
where, every single time there'sa change of administration,
everyone is fired and new peoplehave to get hired?
How would you have continuityof government or programs?
It just doesn't exist.
So what they're advocating foris basically the total
destruction of the government ofthe United States and placing
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it all in the hands of theexecutive, which is a horrible,
horrible thing to do.
There are aspects of Project2025 which I think you could
consider to be a conspiracy toviolate individual civil rights.
I personally think that a lot ofthese anti-trans bills that are
being put together, advocatedfor by these national
(02:47):
organizations and hate groups,and being money being funneled
to state legislators to bringthis up and pass it, that that
is the actual conspiracy toviolate the civil rights of
individuals because they'reseeking to use the power of
government to take away ourability to exist as humans, and
(03:10):
that, to me, is, you know, aviolation of our civil rights
and you know them engaging inthat conspiracy.
Now, whether I'm going to getanybody who wants to jump on the
board and, you know, take onthe legislature of Georgia for
their actions and taking awaythe access to the same thing
that they did to AfricanAmericans in trying to, you know
(03:32):
, take away their voting rightsand prohibit them from being
able to vote, taking away theirschools, those you know
(03:54):
organizing to take those thingsaway from people is wrong and
illegal, and I think it's thesame when they do it to go after
the LGBTQ plus community.
Yeah, yeah, to go after theLGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I heard, I think, this morning,
that there is I forget who itwas Someone's advocating
basically some old law,basically in constitution, that
because Kamala Harris is black,that she's technically not even
allowed to be voted for as wellbecause she's technically not a
(04:27):
person.
I mean the level that they'realready going to and we're only
in like what, a month and a halfsince the analysis.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, if you, if you go to the original constitution,
and blacks were consideredthree quarters, I believe, of a
voter, or four fifths, they werenot given a full personhood for
purposes of census and thingslike that.
But that's just absolutebullcrap, because we've had the
(04:53):
Constitution since then?
Yeah, but it's normal thatthey're thinking it yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, because here's the thing, like I'm conflicted
about Kamala sometimes with someof it, because of the whole.
It's not that she was a cop,but she was a cop to a degree
and there's a lot of things thatwere problematic with what, you
know, affected a lot ofcommunity members.
And looking at it in the waythat she is just being hammered
(05:22):
hammered it's it's when you seeher in the tan suit, in the same
way that obama wore the tansuit like I'm conflicted, like
I'm excited to vote for her, butI'm also, like, still scared at
the same time because ofthere's the whole cop city
things that are popping up.
(05:42):
There's a lot of differentthings that really directly
affect trans people like theyreally do.
Trans folks, unfortunately, arein the system at a higher rate
than most communities and it'sreally unfortunate that there's
that history for her.
Because, at the same time, I'malso like looking at it and
going, oh my God, like I feellike Disney magic, like hope in
(06:07):
my heart, like you know, seeingthe DNC and and seeing you know
there was even like mayor JohnErickson there was from West
Hollywood.
I saw him posting and he waslike right there.
I think he even got aninterview with I forget what
major network, but there was alot of beautiful moments that
happened in that.
But at the same time, there waslike a really great streamer.
(06:28):
Well, I wouldn't say great,sometimes he's a little
problematic, but he was.
He had a, I think, like 90,000folks on his stream and because
he was talking about Palestine,they like pulled them out of the
building.
So there's like a lot ofdifferent things that are
happening simultaneously and Iknow she can't fix it all at
(06:49):
once and I know that we ascommunity members also want to
put our hope in.
But I I still fear becausethere wasn't even a drop of
trans representation, at leastin her party, that we're Almost
like.
Well, we got the trans votebecause they know that if they
vote for Trump, it's you know.
Well, everything's gone.
(07:10):
And that's how I feel becauseKamala still has my vote.
But I just wish that my votewas more considered, in a way
that we're looking at themultiple genocides that are
happening throughout the worldand even people directly in this
country legislatively.
I mean, as a trans person, I'vegot abortion rights that I'm
(07:31):
fighting for and also transstuff.
So as a trans guy, I feel likeI'm getting hit in both angles
and nobody's even reallyplatforming trans men at all or
having those conversations.
That's also why I wore a pussyboy, because I just wanted to
make sure that that was knownthat I'm a trans guy, if
anybody's watching this and hasforgotten.
But it's so many nuances thatare happening at once and I'm
(07:54):
still so hopeful.
But it's like this, like Idon't know.
You know what I mean well to me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The way I look at it is is is there is no other
choice.
Do I?
Do I what she's going to do?
I have a very good idea of whatshe's going to do in
relationship to trans rights.
You've got to remember,governor Walz sponsored and
supported and signed into lawthis sanctuary provisions in
(08:23):
Minnesota law to protect transpeople who would come to
Minnesota from another statethat was seeking to persecute
them, and he has a very, verygood understanding of trans
issues, from what I understand,and so he is going to be an
advocate for us, and I know thatPresident Harris has been at
(08:47):
times an advocate for the transcommunity and at times, as
attorney general, she actedagainst it, you know, and
seeking to prohibit medical carefor trans prisoners, but again
that was.
That was a lengthy period oftime ago and that was the
standard prevailing idea underthe law in a lot of
(09:09):
circumstances for that, and wedid hire her to enforce the law
in the state of California.
But she also acknowledges thatthat was a mistake and that she
would not go that route again.
I mean, so she has learned asshe's gone along, which is
something you can't say aboutTrump.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He's still doubling down on the same damn ass shit.
I mean it's just in the back ofmy mind.
She has my vote.
I mean I even made merch forher as well, in support for her,
because as a trans person,there's so much going on
legislatively, but it's also, Imean, it's under their
(09:50):
administration.
I also realize she doesn't havethe same amount of power
because she's VP and there's alot of technicalities there,
challenges that the Harriscampaign is going to have to
face when it comes to day one inoffice, which I think we're all
(10:11):
going to push over the line andget her there.
I think that is going to happen.
I'm, I'm manifesting, I'm hoping, I'm praying for it honestly,
because I I you know, I'm reallyworried about the other outcome
because the other outcome feelslike death to me, like I don't
know if you've seen the movie Vfor Vendetta, but I was just
like oh my God.
Okay, well, you know we're goingto put roses in the windowsill.
(10:31):
It's over, it's done.
You know like they're justgoing to come knocking on our
doors and when Harris wasannounced, I got to tell you
that that was lifted off myshoulders.
As a trans person with, asproblematic as she has been in
certain areas because she alsohas been as a woman, been pushed
and even as a Black woman, hasbeen pushed in ways to excel,
(10:54):
like you said, far beyond mostpeople that have ever applied to
do the job as president, whichis always that whole glass
ceiling.
Well, it could even be a glasscliff right now because it got a
lot going on economically as acountry, but it's that that
whole thick glass that she hasbroken through.
(11:17):
I do acknowledge that work thatshe's put in and it is amazing
to see a woman of her staturepush through what she has and
and and and become president,because that's something that
you know again, trans guy bornwith a vagina.
I like to say that sometimes inthe episodes, um, it's kind of
cool to see that there's goingto be a vagina in the office and
(11:39):
I don't care if that's weird tosay I'm excited for that.
Um, and and I know that there'sa lot of ideology politics
where people are saying, well,you can't pick her because she's
a woman, you can't do thisbecause she's that.
I would pick her because she'sa woman, because women are asked
to do twice, if not three times, as much to get qualified for
(12:02):
jobs, and I'm sure you can showme how I experience misogyny in
a different way now, because you, you you're like, oh shit, this
is this sucks um, and shesurvived that, in the same way
that hillary clinton is superproblematic in more ways even.
But you can still kind ofrespect like her business swag,
(12:22):
like her game, that she as awoman made it through really
toxic stuff, um, politically.
And I I don't know.
I'm really excited for harrisbecause those kind of b for
vendetta dreams have kind oflifted a little bit.
I don't feel like we're goingto get like knocked on the door
and like ripped out of the room,um, but I just I just hope to
(12:44):
see more like visibility for usin some shape or form.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And I think a lot of what the convention was for was
not to reassure the base,because I think the base is
fairly reassured.
The purpose and what the focusof a lot of the convention was
was to independents andRepublicans who are tired of the
(13:11):
MAGA movement and Republicanswho are maybe vocally pro-life
but in reality are pro-choice,and I know there are a number of
them out there.
I think a lot of Republicansyou know they would be vocal,
you know pro-life, knowing thatthere was the backdrop of Roe to
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protect them so they could havethat opinion and be part of the
group.
But I think, as we've seen withthe elections in Kansas, with
the election in Ohio, when youput abortion access on the
ballot it wins and that is goingto bring over some additional
voters.
And we have, I believe,somewhere around 14, 15 states
(13:57):
that have constitutionalamendments to protect abortion
access on their ballots.
This fall.
That is going to be a bigmotivating factor in getting
turnout out.
The pro-abortion I don't wantto say pro-abortion but the
people who respect bodilyautonomy and the right to
(14:18):
reproductive freedom are goingto be coming out in force,
because this is a big issue.
Nobody wants to see a12-year-old girl be forced to
carry her bastard son-brother.
You know, it just is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Or a trans guy as well, or a trans man.
Again.
I don't know if you've seensome of the other episodes, but
I have experienced assault.
I was drugged in a bar and Ineeded that medication in order
to Protect yourself from.
Protect myself because I was notgonna, you know, do that to
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myself, especially as a transman.
Um, and that's what has reallycaused me to even become much
more politically active isbecause this combination of
abortion rights and trans rightsas a trans man, I'm like, oh my
, it's coming at me at bothsides and I don't have anybody
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really representing or talkingabout it in a way that is
getting on CNN and having theseconversations and how it's
affecting folks.
Even so, much of how we'retalking about the Amani Khalif
situation and the boxingsituation.
There's so much conversation tobe had about what's going on
with misogyny within so manydifferent layers in mainstream
(15:39):
community.
Yeah, there's, there's so many.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's so many ways that we could, paths that we
could go down, and talking abouthow this is is such a problem,
but it's.
I think that the focus now ofthe Harris campaign is to give
reassurance that we are going tohave.
(16:01):
I will tell you that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They've got to get better on that communication.
I mean, I know she said it'slike and really you know what I
mean Because I understand Idon't really understand.
To be honest, I'm I stilllearning a lot about palestine
and gaza because I have focuseda lot on trans rights and los
(16:26):
angeles and that's pretty muchwhere I focus my activism.
Um, so I haven't commented toomuch on it, but the way that I
think there was like a delegatethere that was a Palestinian
Democrat, like lifelong Democrat, that they didn't have them
speak but they had Republicanswho were like super problematic
and have said some horriblestuff campaign, navigate that
(16:52):
better.
Because from what I'm seeing ontiktok and I'm just speaking
from what I'm seeing because Ican see it and say it it's it's
not looking good in a lot ofways, even though we're gonna
get over that vote.
Maybe I don't know.
There I just got so much traumawith 2016 that I would really
hope that the harris campaignfinds not just using the Brat
(17:15):
Summer stuff, which is reallycute and it's funny.
Some of the stuff that I cannotbelieve is posting from an
official account is so genius.
Whoever is doing that.
I end up watching it on TikToklike four or five times, just
going like I can't believe thisis the Kamala Harris HQ campaign
, promoting like campaign, likepromoting this tiktok sound, and
it is freaking hilarious.
(17:36):
Like when I saw, like very,very mindful, I was like, oh my
god, this is it's, it's genius.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I just hope there's more substance behind it
, because yeah, well, what Iwould like to see is biden,
negotiate, uh, some type ofagreement between these folks
and you know in this if we can,but that's such an extremely
difficult thing to do becauseyou have two sides that are not
(18:03):
willing to yeah and it's like sowhat side do you jump in?
How do you jump in?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
not jump in.
I've seen some of the videos onTikTok of what is going on and
like kids being decapitated andstuff, and it's like I'm not the
only one seeing that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
A lot of america no, and it's and it's, and it's not
a a good thing and uh, hopefully, you know, something will break
that will break that, thatdeadlock where they're not able
to talk to each other and atleast come to some, uh,
reasonable solution so they stopshooting each other for at
least for a little bit, you know, and give them time to talk.
(18:42):
But uh, that's a tough thing todo and it's and it's, it's a
tough thing to say.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You know that it's the responsibility of the
president and I know we're notgonna figure it out on the show
right now, like yeah, you knowwhat mean.
And I don't expect that, butit's just that's but it's an
issue that's out there, butagain, what I was saying is what
they're trying to focus on isthat middle American.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They're trying to get those Republicans to be
comfortable with either notvoting or maybe actually voting
for a Democrat for the firsttime because it's it's because
Kamala is not somebody who is isparticularly scary.
She's got the background.
You know, and and it's just sofunny, you know seeing, you know
(19:26):
the fact that you know, yes, wehad presidents that came on and
we had Bill Clinton.
No, he has a background ofhaving issues.
We had that came out and we hadBill Clinton.
He has a background of havingissues, but at least we had them
show up.
I mean, nobody at the Bushwasn't at the Republican
convention.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Listen.
I'm just saying what I'm seeingon TikTok from the younger
generation and what they'reseeing and saying and they make.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's the issue that they're seeing, and do they
somehow think that trump's goingto be the the one to do that,
because he's going to go in andjust okay, the obliteration.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I think it's just everybody's just like what the
hell is this?
And we've lost hope.
And that's kind of like what itreally looks like is.
It's there's so many thingssimultaneously going on right
now, like just historic events,even in weather.
There's tornadoes and thingspopping up and billionaires, you
know every year gettingsacrificed to another boat thing
(20:24):
.
It's like there's so much goingon in the world and I think
it's also probably social media.
We're constantly streaming.
We're much more aware of it.
There's so much more factors toit, because as a millennial I
remember it's less stressful.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
We're more easily manipulated because we we get
repetitive things and and and,so we start seeing that and
that's what becomes the reality,and uh, you know, god, I don't
want to live in the world ofidiocracy.
government put in loyalists to Trump only and
ripped down any department thatis considered woke, like the
education, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I mean, yeah, I mean but we as reason is there, I
don't know.
Yeah, well, no, I mean, look,it is a crazy ass plan to to,
yes, but advocating for removalof a government agency or
service.
You know, nothing is inherentlywrong about that, necessarily.
People have opposed theDepartment of Education from day
(00:34):
one of legislation andexecutive action.
Legislation can change that.
You can't universally just getrid of it because it's
authorized by Congress.
You would have to take overCongress.
It'd have to be an act ofCongress to eliminate whatever
(00:55):
wants.
Now, certain departments are inthe US Constitution.
You can't get rid of the StateDepartment.
You can't get rid of theJustice Department.
You can't get rid of theTreasury.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Those are all constitutional departments
within you have three branchesof government, separate for the
powers to be, so Project 2025 isnot attacking those three
powers.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
No, it is an attempt to secure most of the power in
the executive branch by gettingrid of certain departments and
then making them operate underthe authority of the executive
office of the president.
So it is transferring it from,which is a combination
(01:37):
legislative and executivefunction, because legislature
creates it.
The executives are the ones whoget to appoint the appointees,
but most of them are all civilservice anyway.
You don't have a loyalty to apresident or a party.
When you get your job, you getit because you're a citizen and
you get to keep it.
You know it doesn't get changedout with the change of every
(02:03):
administration.
It doesn't get changed out withthe change of every
administration.
Could you imagine thegovernment trying to operate
where, every single time there'sa change of administration,
everyone is fired and new peoplehave to get hired?
How would you have continuityof government or programs?
It just doesn't exist.
So what they're advocating foris basically the total
destruction of the government ofthe United States and placing
(02:24):
it all in the hands of theexecutive, which is a horrible,
horrible thing to do.
There are aspects of Project2025 which I think you could
consider to be a conspiracy toviolate individual civil rights.
I personally think that a lot ofthese anti-trans bills that are
being put together, advocatedfor by these national
(02:47):
organizations and hate groups,and being money being funneled
to state legislators to bringthis up and pass it, that that
is the actual conspiracy toviolate the civil rights of
individuals because they'reseeking to use the power of
government to take away ourability to exist as humans, and
(03:10):
that, to me, is, you know, aviolation of our civil rights
and you know them engaging inthat conspiracy.
Now, whether I'm going to getanybody who wants to jump on the
board and, you know, take onthe legislature of Georgia for
their actions and taking awaythe access to the same thing
that they did to AfricanAmericans in trying to, you know
(03:32):
, take away their voting rightsand prohibit them from being
able to vote, taking away theirschools, those you know
(03:54):
organizing to take those thingsaway from people is wrong and
illegal, and I think it's thesame when they do it to go after
the LGBTQ plus community.
Yeah, yeah, to go after theLGBTQ plus community.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I heard, I think, this morning,
that there is I forget who itwas Someone's advocating
basically some old law,basically in constitution, that
because Kamala Harris is black,that she's technically not even
allowed to be voted for as wellbecause she's technically not a
(04:27):
person.
I mean the level that they'realready going to and we're only
in like what, a month and a halfsince the analysis.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Well, if you, if you go to the original constitution,
and blacks were consideredthree quarters, I believe, of a
voter, or four fifths, they werenot given a full personhood for
purposes of census and thingslike that.
But that's just absolutebullcrap, because we've had the
(04:53):
Constitution since then?
Yeah, but it's normal thatthey're thinking it yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Yeah, because here's the thing, like I'm conflicted
about Kamala sometimes with someof it, because of the whole.
It's not that she was a cop,but she was a cop to a degree
and there's a lot of things thatwere problematic with what, you
know, affected a lot ofcommunity members.
And looking at it in the waythat she is just being hammered
(05:22):
hammered it's it's when you seeher in the tan suit, in the same
way that obama wore the tansuit like I'm conflicted, like
I'm excited to vote for her, butI'm also, like, still scared at
the same time because ofthere's the whole cop city
things that are popping up.
(05:42):
There's a lot of differentthings that really directly
affect trans people like theyreally do.
Trans folks, unfortunately, arein the system at a higher rate
than most communities and it'sreally unfortunate that there's
that history for her.
Because, at the same time, I'malso like looking at it and
going, oh my God, like I feellike Disney magic, like hope in
(06:07):
my heart, like you know, seeingthe DNC and and seeing you know
there was even like mayor JohnErickson there was from West
Hollywood.
I saw him posting and he waslike right there.
I think he even got aninterview with I forget what
major network, but there was alot of beautiful moments that
happened in that.
But at the same time, there waslike a really great streamer.
(06:28):
Well, I wouldn't say great,sometimes he's a little
problematic, but he was.
He had a, I think, like 90,000folks on his stream and because
he was talking about Palestine,they like pulled them out of the
building.
So there's like a lot ofdifferent things that are
happening simultaneously and Iknow she can't fix it all at
(06:49):
once and I know that we ascommunity members also want to
put our hope in.
But I I still fear becausethere wasn't even a drop of
trans representation, at leastin her party, that we're Almost
like.
Well, we got the trans votebecause they know that if they
vote for Trump, it's you know.
Well, everything's gone.
(07:10):
And that's how I feel becauseKamala still has my vote.
But I just wish that my votewas more considered, in a way
that we're looking at themultiple genocides that are
happening throughout the worldand even people directly in this
country legislatively.
I mean, as a trans person, I'vegot abortion rights that I'm
(07:31):
fighting for and also transstuff.
So as a trans guy, I feel likeI'm getting hit in both angles
and nobody's even reallyplatforming trans men at all or
having those conversations.
That's also why I wore a pussyboy, because I just wanted to
make sure that that was knownthat I'm a trans guy, if
anybody's watching this and hasforgotten.
But it's so many nuances thatare happening at once and I'm
(07:54):
still so hopeful.
But it's like this, like Idon't know.
You know what I mean well to me.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
The way I look at it is is is there is no other
choice.
Do I?
Do I what she's going to do?
I have a very good idea of whatshe's going to do in
relationship to trans rights.
You've got to remember,governor Walz sponsored and
supported and signed into lawthis sanctuary provisions in
(08:23):
Minnesota law to protect transpeople who would come to
Minnesota from another statethat was seeking to persecute
them, and he has a very, verygood understanding of trans
issues, from what I understand,and so he is going to be an
advocate for us, and I know thatPresident Harris has been at
(08:47):
times an advocate for the transcommunity and at times, as
attorney general, she actedagainst it, you know, and
seeking to prohibit medical carefor trans prisoners, but again
that was.
That was a lengthy period oftime ago and that was the
standard prevailing idea underthe law in a lot of
(09:09):
circumstances for that, and wedid hire her to enforce the law
in the state of California.
But she also acknowledges thatthat was a mistake and that she
would not go that route again.
I mean, so she has learned asshe's gone along, which is
something you can't say aboutTrump.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He's still doubling down on the same damn ass shit.
I mean it's just in the back ofmy mind.
She has my vote.
I mean I even made merch forher as well, in support for her,
because as a trans person,there's so much going on
legislatively, but it's also, Imean, it's under their
(09:50):
administration.
I also realize she doesn't havethe same amount of power
because she's VP and there's alot of technicalities there,
challenges that the Harriscampaign is going to have to
face when it comes to day one inoffice, which I think we're all
(10:11):
going to push over the line andget her there.
I think that is going to happen.
I'm, I'm manifesting, I'm hoping, I'm praying for it honestly,
because I I you know, I'm reallyworried about the other outcome
because the other outcome feelslike death to me, like I don't
know if you've seen the movie Vfor Vendetta, but I was just
like oh my God.
Okay, well, you know we're goingto put roses in the windowsill.
(10:31):
It's over, it's done.
You know like they're justgoing to come knocking on our
doors and when Harris wasannounced, I got to tell you
that that was lifted off myshoulders.
As a trans person with, asproblematic as she has been in
certain areas because she alsohas been as a woman, been pushed
and even as a Black woman, hasbeen pushed in ways to excel,
(10:54):
like you said, far beyond mostpeople that have ever applied to
do the job as president, whichis always that whole glass
ceiling.
Well, it could even be a glasscliff right now because it got a
lot going on economically as acountry, but it's that that
whole thick glass that she hasbroken through.
(11:17):
I do acknowledge that work thatshe's put in and it is amazing
to see a woman of her staturepush through what she has and
and and and become president,because that's something that
you know again, trans guy bornwith a vagina.
I like to say that sometimes inthe episodes, um, it's kind of
cool to see that there's goingto be a vagina in the office and
(11:39):
I don't care if that's weird tosay I'm excited for that.
Um, and and I know that there'sa lot of ideology politics
where people are saying, well,you can't pick her because she's
a woman, you can't do thisbecause she's that.
I would pick her because she'sa woman, because women are asked
to do twice, if not three times, as much to get qualified for
(12:02):
jobs, and I'm sure you can showme how I experience misogyny in
a different way now, because you, you you're like, oh shit, this
is this sucks um, and shesurvived that, in the same way
that hillary clinton is superproblematic in more ways even.
But you can still kind ofrespect like her business swag,
(12:22):
like her game, that she as awoman made it through really
toxic stuff, um, politically.
And I I don't know.
I'm really excited for harrisbecause those kind of b for
vendetta dreams have kind oflifted a little bit.
I don't feel like we're goingto get like knocked on the door
and like ripped out of the room,um, but I just I just hope to
(12:44):
see more like visibility for usin some shape or form.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
And I think a lot of what the convention was for was
not to reassure the base,because I think the base is
fairly reassured.
The purpose and what the focusof a lot of the convention was
was to independents andRepublicans who are tired of the
(13:11):
MAGA movement and Republicanswho are maybe vocally pro-life
but in reality are pro-choice,and I know there are a number of
them out there.
I think a lot of Republicansyou know they would be vocal,
you know pro-life, knowing thatthere was the backdrop of Roe to
(13:33):
protect them so they could havethat opinion and be part of the
group.
But I think, as we've seen withthe elections in Kansas, with
the election in Ohio, when youput abortion access on the
ballot it wins and that is goingto bring over some additional
voters.
And we have, I believe,somewhere around 14, 15 states
(13:57):
that have constitutionalamendments to protect abortion
access on their ballots.
This fall.
That is going to be a bigmotivating factor in getting
turnout out.
The pro-abortion I don't wantto say pro-abortion but the
people who respect bodilyautonomy and the right to
(14:18):
reproductive freedom are goingto be coming out in force,
because this is a big issue.
Nobody wants to see a12-year-old girl be forced to
carry her bastard son-brother.
You know, it just is.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Or a trans guy as well, or a trans man.
Again.
I don't know if you've seensome of the other episodes, but
I have experienced assault.
I was drugged in a bar and Ineeded that medication in order
to Protect yourself from.
Protect myself because I was notgonna, you know, do that to
(14:58):
myself, especially as a transman.
Um, and that's what has reallycaused me to even become much
more politically active isbecause this combination of
abortion rights and trans rightsas a trans man, I'm like, oh my
, it's coming at me at bothsides and I don't have anybody
(15:18):
really representing or talkingabout it in a way that is
getting on CNN and having theseconversations and how it's
affecting folks.
Even so, much of how we'retalking about the Amani Khalif
situation and the boxingsituation.
There's so much conversation tobe had about what's going on
with misogyny within so manydifferent layers in mainstream
(15:39):
community.
Yeah, there's, there's so many.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
There's so many ways that we could, paths that we
could go down, and talking abouthow this is is such a problem,
but it's.
I think that the focus now ofthe Harris campaign is to give
reassurance that we are going tohave.
(16:01):
I will tell you that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
They've got to get better on that communication.
I mean, I know she said it'slike and really you know what I
mean Because I understand Idon't really understand.
To be honest, I'm I stilllearning a lot about palestine
and gaza because I have focuseda lot on trans rights and los
(16:26):
angeles and that's pretty muchwhere I focus my activism.
Um, so I haven't commented toomuch on it, but the way that I
think there was like a delegatethere that was a Palestinian
Democrat, like lifelong Democrat, that they didn't have them
speak but they had Republicanswho were like super problematic
and have said some horriblestuff campaign, navigate that
(16:52):
better.
Because from what I'm seeing ontiktok and I'm just speaking
from what I'm seeing because Ican see it and say it it's it's
not looking good in a lot ofways, even though we're gonna
get over that vote.
Maybe I don't know.
There I just got so much traumawith 2016 that I would really
hope that the harris campaignfinds not just using the Brat
(17:15):
Summer stuff, which is reallycute and it's funny.
Some of the stuff that I cannotbelieve is posting from an
official account is so genius.
Whoever is doing that.
I end up watching it on TikToklike four or five times, just
going like I can't believe thisis the Kamala Harris HQ campaign
, promoting like campaign, likepromoting this tiktok sound, and
it is freaking hilarious.
(17:36):
Like when I saw, like very,very mindful, I was like, oh my
god, this is it's, it's genius.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But I just hope there's more substance behind it
, because yeah, well, what Iwould like to see is biden,
negotiate, uh, some type ofagreement between these folks
and you know in this if we can,but that's such an extremely
difficult thing to do becauseyou have two sides that are not
(18:03):
willing to yeah and it's like sowhat side do you jump in?
How do you jump in?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
not jump in.
I've seen some of the videos onTikTok of what is going on and
like kids being decapitated andstuff, and it's like I'm not the
only one seeing that.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
A lot of america no, and it's and it's, and it's not
a a good thing and uh, hopefully, you know, something will break
that will break that, thatdeadlock where they're not able
to talk to each other and atleast come to some, uh,
reasonable solution so they stopshooting each other for at
least for a little bit, you know, and give them time to talk.
(18:42):
But uh, that's a tough thing todo and it's and it's, it's a
tough thing to say.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
You know that it's the responsibility of the
president and I know we're notgonna figure it out on the show
right now, like yeah, you knowwhat mean.
And I don't expect that, butit's just that's but it's an
issue that's out there, butagain, what I was saying is what
they're trying to focus on isthat middle American.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
They're trying to get those Republicans to be
comfortable with either notvoting or maybe actually voting
for a Democrat for the firsttime because it's it's because
Kamala is not somebody who is isparticularly scary.
She's got the background.
You know, and and it's just sofunny, you know seeing, you know
(19:26):
the fact that you know, yes, wehad presidents that came on and
we had Bill Clinton.
No, he has a background ofhaving issues.
We had that came out and we hadBill Clinton.
He has a background of havingissues, but at least we had them
show up.
I mean, nobody at the Bushwasn't at the Republican
convention.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Listen.
I'm just saying what I'm seeingon TikTok from the younger
generation and what they'reseeing and saying and they make.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
That's the issue that they're seeing, and do they
somehow think that trump's goingto be the the one to do that,
because he's going to go in andjust okay, the obliteration.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I think it's just everybody's just like what the
hell is this?
And we've lost hope.
And that's kind of like what itreally looks like is.
It's there's so many thingssimultaneously going on right
now, like just historic events,even in weather.
There's tornadoes and thingspopping up and billionaires, you
know every year gettingsacrificed to another boat thing
(20:24):
.
It's like there's so much goingon in the world and I think
it's also probably social media.
We're constantly streaming.
We're much more aware of it.
There's so much more factors toit, because as a millennial I
remember it's less stressful.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
We're more easily manipulated because we we get
repetitive things and and and,so we start seeing that and
that's what becomes the reality,and uh, you know, god, I don't
want to live in the world ofidiocracy.
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