April 8, 2025 • 41 mins
When Shane Ivan Nash and Julianne met on the set of a Jubilee filming with Ben Shapiro, neither had the chance to truly connect amid the tension of that environment. Now they're making up for lost time in this candid, thought-provoking conversation about whose voices truly matter in progressive spaces.
Julianne, a brilliant and hilarious TikTok debater, unpacks her journey finding unexpected success in online political discourse while navigating the complex reality of being a Black woman in predominantly white leftist spaces. She describes the moment she realized why her content resonated with audiences - not because it was changing perceptions about Black women, but because she "subverted their expectations" by defying stereotypes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is the Transparency Podcast Show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to the Transparency Podcast.
My name is Shane Ivan Nash andI'm here with my co-host who's
got the most beautiful wig ontoday.
I love the Beyonce energy.
I know your partner's takingyou to Beyonce.
I can see the vibe, the energy.
Yes, I'm excited, awesome.
You know, I've been watchingthese TikTok lives and really
(00:24):
getting into it, especiallybecause of all of our Jubilee
stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, I'm the TikTok illiterate one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know girl, I'm trying to get you on TikTok more
.
I'm trying to teach you theways of the world.
But I actually met this amazingwoman on set with the Ben
Shapiro.
We didn't really get a chanceto chat too much because I was a
little nervous too on set.
It was a lot to even.
There was so much energy andemotions on that set.
But I started to watch hercontent on TikTok live and she
(00:51):
was funny as fucking shit.
I feel like she didn't even getan opportunity to even like
show who she was because, likeyou know, jubilee and those
girls tussle, they just like.
Here here's a little clip form.
The republicans can jerk off toit and be angry, um, but she
never really got to show likethe dynamic side that I was
seeing her on tiktok, becausethe way that she reads these
republicans is like oh, it is sofucking hilarious.
(01:15):
And she does this as a blackwoman, which is really stark
difference to a lot of like someof these other tiktokers you
see going live um.
Let's get you some buttons holdon.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, I'll handle the clap okay, but um, I need a
hand clap for that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I want to introduce uh, since it's such a long intro
, because she actually reallydeserves uh, her flowers in that
space.
Uh, julianne, julianne, how thefuck are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
hi, julianne oh my god, that was such an amazing
intro.
I'm gonna tear up now, um, butI am doing amazing.
You know, shane, when to tearup now, but I am doing amazing.
You know, shane, when you cameup on my live that one time and
asked me to be on your podcast,I had to play it cool.
You know what I mean for theaudience.
But I was in my head, I waslike ecstatic, like if I could
blush, my face would be red.
(02:00):
I really appreciate you invitingme on here.
I'm so excited to have any kindof conversation you want to
have.
To be honest, I'm so happy tobe here.
You're both so beautiful.
I remember seeing you on setand when you turned that chair
(02:20):
around, okay, I was shook andI'm so sad that we didn't get to
talk.
Look, I'm so sad that we didn'tget to talk.
Look, I'm so sad that we didn'tget to talk about it, but I'm
so happy that I finally get tolike actually have like an
interpersonal conversation withyou here.
I really, again, I really doappreciate the opportunity of
you bringing me on your platformas well as a beautiful woman,
okay.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know right, oh, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, is that sensational?
Is that sensational?
I gotta know, I gotta know.
I love that color.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I told you I love her .
Speaker 2 (02:47):
She's funny as fuck.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
What's your zodiac sign?
I'm a Scorpio.
Ooh, october or November.
November, ooh, fifth, ooh.
She gets them right on together.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Julie, my question is , first of all, how the fuck do
you feel after meeting benshapiro in the way that you did,
since we both had to deal withthat whole fun time?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, let me first say that, uh, I I've debated
people in person.
That's how I started outdebating, um, you know, like you
know either, that be likeseminars in high school, middle
school, things like that.
But being on that stage withBen Shapiro, my heart was
(03:33):
genuinely beating out of mychest, um, especially like
seeing this man who had, like,caused so many issues, uh, face
to face and like trying tofigure out, like what exactly I
should say to him.
It was very surreal, um, but II would have to say that, uh,
(03:54):
after speaking to him andlistening to him speak in the
worldviews that he had, itdefinitely changed my
perspective, um on how I shoulddeal with people like him.
Um, because I don't know if youremember, but on set he kind of
made uh a that claim that healways makes, despite the fact
(04:16):
that, like, people keepdebunking him on it, um,
regarding like, uh, like blackpeople and their crime rate and
whether or not it's well, heclaims he's from the streets and
he claims he's from the streetsof burbank at the same time.
Oh yeah, I remember that likehello, you know so, uh, I
remember when he said that and,um, it was a gut check, it
didn't yeah very much so and I,I, when I, when I got back to my
(04:41):
hotel and I realized how thatfelt, I broke down.
I completely broke down,completely began crying and
because I was like this is nothow, these are not the
conversations that I want tohave, completely just rooted in
racism and that is simply allthat.
It is right Because and Ireally would have wished that
(05:09):
they had let like what the fourblack women in the entire room
talk to him about these- things.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, we know why that didn't happen because two
certain white boys had, you know, an attention and an ego they
needed to fill.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But we'll talk about that.
I mean, I mean honestly, it'snot just the two of them, but
they are significant.
The thing is is like I had toacknowledge the rage I have as a
black woman and from that dayon I made a vow to myself that
(05:49):
if a person ever would to erectsuch type of rhetoric in a room
with me in it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I am either going to leave or I'm going to explode.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, you saw what happened to me.
So, yeah, yeah, you know, and Irespect you for that.
I think you handled that theway you should have and I think
a lot of the time these leftistspaces were taught that, like
we're too good for rage Talkabout it.
To be upset and I'm like theseare the main things, Right.
Like I don't think peopleunderstand, Like you're not
(06:13):
going to know why things liketransphobia are wrong without
talking to trans people andknowing the experiences.
Same with racism, Same withmisogyny.
Right Same with racism Same withmisogyny Right Emotions and
experiences are required to havea deep, fundamental
understandings of thesestruggles.
And so the fact that you wereso brave to get up and talk to
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Ben Shapiro the way that heought to be spoken to, not as if
you're not, this whole likelike uppity, like performance,
art, intellectual stuff, like no, we don't need that.
We need more people to be angry, we need more people to be loud
, we need more people to come inand just disrupt not say to do,
(06:58):
but like disrupt these spacesthat have this really rigid,
like antiotion, anti-experience.
I don't know, vibe, because Ifeel like things like that
genuinely kill an entiremovement, especially one like
leftism that is predicated offof like black and queer bodies,
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um of which most of what we haveis our experiences.
Is that not enough?
I would have to ask people, butyou know that's how I, that's
what was going through my headafter, you know, talking to Ben
there.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, it's interesting because we literally
just had a conversation aboutthis, literally had this
conversation in our last episodeabout emotional intelligence
and how we are talking fromlived experiences.
And I think it's weird because,if you really think about it,
these people that we talk to,like Ben Shapiro, they can't
relate to our experiences.
Ben Shapiro could never relateto being black, and being a
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black woman at that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Having rhythm.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Having rhythm, anything.
You know what I mean.
And so it's like they try tocreate these false ideologies
about our experiences becausethey don't have any compelling
facts or any compellingarguments to live experiences.
They just do not, and I thinkwhat you said right there is so,
so important.
(08:17):
You made a great point abouthow we can be on the left.
I've always said that people onthe left don't support trans
folks enough like the folks onthe right do.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Or our problematic folks in general.
I mean like we need to supporteveryone that is on our side,
that's willing to fight.
I mean, most of the people thathave helped me in my life
probably would get canceled onthe internet, but they would
drop me a hundred dollars in aVenmo right away because they
know who I am, they know that Ido the work, but they would drop
me a hundred dollars in a venmoright away because they know
who I am, they know that I dothe work and they will support
(08:48):
that in that sense, but they'llalso might say something that
would a hundred percent get themcanceled.
And it's this idea that we haveto like be this morally perfect
activist, which I'm sorry.
There's not a human being onthis planet that doesn't make
mistakes.
There's not a human being onthis planet that has all the
knowledge.
Anybody that claims they do.
I do not trust anybody thatclaims they know everything,
(09:09):
because that is a scaryindividual to be contacting.
And people like Michael Knowles,ben Shapiro and all of these
people that are coming in arecoming in with the assertion
that they do know everything andthat everything is an absolute
and there is no nuance andeverything is black and white.
Meanwhile, like you said,they're not actually being
affected in the same ways thatwe are.
They don't have the livedexperience, if you're I mean
(09:29):
like through my transition as awhite guy.
Like, let's be a hundredpercent real.
Yes, they still experiencetransphobia, yes, I still
experience a lot of those things, but I for the most part when I
walk through space, when I walkthrough the world.
This world was built for peoplelike me and I can feel the
stark difference after mytransition and that's why I'm so
vocal about it is because Iwant men to understand their
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privilege in a way that they maynot even be aware of, which is
really hard, because they dolack a lot of emotional empathy,
because we've got all this redpill, andrew tate, guys that are
hyping him up trying to tellhim hey, do this and you're
going to get laid Meanwhile it'slike— and they're also saying
you're a pussy for being intouch with your emotions.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I hear that a lot and it's crazy.
And so, julie, I want to knowsomething.
Tell us, because we're talkingabout spaces, what spaces would
you like to see yourself in?
Because we're going to manifestsome things today.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What spaces would you like to be in for people to
hear more of your perspective,which is so important as a black
woman?
Yeah, um, I don't want to getemotional okay, we're not here,
can we get, but can we get theall button pushed?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
um, thank you.
Um, I had actually beenthinking about that for a long
time, um, and it's been aquestion that I've asked myself,
and a question that has, like,left me a lot of sleepless
nights, a lot of tears, um, alot of sad days.
I, for, I believe, like for thepast uh, couple of months, I've
(11:05):
been crying very consistently.
So I have to drink a lot ofwater and, um, you know,
pedialyte has me down pack.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Sponsorship to.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Pedialyte.
Yo, uh, sponsor me.
No, sponsor this video.
But yeah, like uh, I actuallyrecently wrote about it in my um
, my recent publication onsubstack um, in which, when I
first hit the tiktok space, Iblew up very quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Who was that?
How did that even?
How did you get to TikTokdebate space?
I've actually never known thatstory Me neither, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, I've always debated Growing up.
I've always loved arguing withpeople.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's always been my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, it's very fun.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
yeah, it's very fun, um, and I would actually first
began debating on, like a massstage, on an app called
clubhouse oh yeah, that was hardwhen it was exclusive and they
didn't let everybody in yeah, so, yeah, I was on clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I still went by tashika, ask, ask Around, and I
was definitely on the you knowblack side of Clubhouse and one
day I you know scrolling TikTokand I'm getting bombarded with
these debate live streams andfor like a long time I would say
(12:30):
like maybe like a couple months, I was just watching them and I
particularly would watch a lotof live streams that were hosted
by trans people and, uh,particularly trans women.
She got super canceled, sowe're not going to talk about
her too much, but I know whatyou're talking about you know
yeah so, um, yeah, I'm over here, I think you're actually
(12:52):
friends with her, never mind.
Go on.
Yeah, no, I'm not going to, butlike it's.
No, it was really bad, but like.
But I would actually watch herlives and at the time I really
looked up to her and because I,when I listened to her
experiences as a trans woman, Ikept hearing myself and I kept
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hearing my own experiences as aBlack woman.
I would think back to how,growing up, I knew I was a girl,
I knew I was cisgender, but Iwasn't treated like a girl and
that caused a lot of dysphoricfeelings towards me.
And and that caused a lot ofdysphoric feelings towards me.
(13:36):
And it was.
I understood how I wanted to betreated, but people refused to
treat me that way, despite howfeminine I would make myself
feel.
I even went through like asuper hyper masculine phase that
still left me feeling like Iwasn't fitting in my body, and
it took me a long time torealize that it wasn't me that
wasn't fitting in my body.
And it took me a long time torealize that it wasn't me that
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wasn't fitting in my body.
It was my body not fitting intosociety and or society not
wanting my body to be involved.
And when I would hear thesetrans people speak about their
experiences.
I just related on such a heavylike, just on a heavy note, and
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I said, okay, I'm going to starttalking about this, and I
started doing my live streamsadvocating for LGBTQ education
in schools, talking about thelike, trying to defend the
personhood of trans people,which is an uphill battle.
(14:38):
I I don't know why, um, butthat's where it all began and,
uh, for some reason, I just blewup in a matter of weeks not for
some reason give you know yousaw yourself way too short, and
I'm really realizing this as Iknow you more and more.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're really fucking hilarious and highly
intelligent, like I don't thinkyou've recognized that about
yourself, because what you'relike 23.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, real recognizes real.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Look, thank you, thank you, Thank you, and I'm
sorry it's like a, you know it'sa habit of mine.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know it's self-deprecating.
I only, just, like at 35,started thinking I was hot,
don't trip.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Go on.
Oh please, You've been hotbefore that.
Let's lock in.
So look, so like I.
The thing that caused me a lotof pain about finding out what
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spaces I wanted to be in isrealizing deep down why I became
so popular, so fast because, umand no offense, shane most of
my audience was white andthere's that element.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No offense is taken.
I talk about it all the timewith shane oh, I know, yeah,
it's a boom sound effect.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh, we got it all.
We got it all.
My goodness, you guys arehilarious.
Um, zia, uh, I gotta lock in,okay, no, so I, I.
It took me a long time torealize this, uh, but, like,
most of my audience was whiteand I couldn't help but notice,
by the way, that people wouldspeak to me and also speak about
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me.
I want to remind you this is arealization that I came to a
couple months ago and peoplewould regard my anger as a crash
out, my frustration, as everyemotion I had was just higher.
They represented it as higherthan what I was actually feeling
.
Um, people would call me strong, a lot, which I am, but it has
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some weird undertones.
Sometimes people would commenton my intelligence as to say
that I'm not stupid, but I'mlike I've never said that I was
stupid, or, like you know, likelittle things like that it's the
microaggression, yeah, yeah,saying that I was loud, too,
aggressive, things like that.
Um, and by that at that time Ialso dressed very me my big
(17:06):
lashes, my banging um, mystriking makeup, all the the 10
of 10s, right, because I'm fromphilly, so I dress like a philly
girl and in the house periodphilly mentioned that.
So, like, um, it seemed like alot of the time when I would
talk to people, they kind ofexpected something different,
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like when they saw the way thatI looked, they expected for me
to speak a certain way, to act acertain way, to do it, to
blossom to.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, and I realized that over time that the reason I
became so popular, specificallyamongst white people, is
because I subverted theirexpectations.
Is because I subverted theirexpectations Is because they
expected for a girl who went byTashika, a very ethnic name who
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looked like me, to not be ableto engage in the intellectual
and philosophical conversationsthat I was engaging in.
They didn't expect for me toactually have training in
debates and speak the way that Ido, with the confidence I do,
all while still maintaining mysilly disposition.
And that was new to them.
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And at the time I genuinelythought I think I've already
known this.
But because at the time Ithought that like, okay, it's
good that I'm subverting theirexpectations, their racist
expectations, but I realizedthat it doesn't actually change
their perception of Black peopleas a whole.
Instead, they see me as anoutlier and not the status quo
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of Black women who live and looklike me.
And once I realized that Ibegan to think of my platform
much differently, especiallywith my experiences, you know,
with those two demons whatdemons.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What Voldemort?
We're not going to speak theirname.
I hear that.
I respect that what voldemort.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
We're not going to speak their name.
I hear that.
I respect that.
Um, it's just really hard forme to talk about them still, uh,
because of the amount of traumathat I went through.
Um, yeah, and I know actually Iwould choke on it too, and but
no, I have something in mythroat, look nah.
(19:34):
But yeah, go on uh, but yeah,like there I I did experience a
lot of trauma, uh, regarding myexperiences with them yeah and
when I saw the way that peoplewould react uh, with the way
that people did react when allof it happened, I kind of
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realized something about thespace that I was in and I
started to crave being around myown people, being around more
POC, being around more Blackpeople.
And when I looked at my lifeand I realized that I only had
issues with people of a certainhue, I was floored Because the
entire time I thought to myselfI am in a good space, I'm in a
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good space, I'm in a space thatI ought to be in.
Why do I feel so alone?
Why do I feel like, if I steptoo far out, I am going to be
treated as if I am a dog thatneeds to be corralled?
And when I behave as the Blackwoman that I am, that I was
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taught to behave as one thatdoesn't really ask for help
because I assume that it's notthere for me, one that responds
with anger as a way ofprotection, one that
acknowledges the fact that to anextent, I am alone in this
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space and to an extent in theworld.
When that man did what he did tome, I did not look for help in
the people around me, I did notfeel like I could.
I think, fundamentally, I wasaware that there would be no
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help for me and that unless Imade myself smaller and unless I
huddled up in a corner like achild, that I would not receive
any help.
Because the strength I have inthe community that I was in was
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not seen as a positive.
It was seen as a way to dividepeople, and I did what I thought
was right.
And because I did what Ithought was right, because I did
not sit back and let otherpeople try to solve my problems,
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and because others were notable to impose their wants and
morality onto me, I was not aperfect victim, and because of
that I was met with significanthatred.
I was met with harassment, Iwas met with death threats.
I was met with peoplesexualizing me, people calling
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me a monster, a narcissist,spell narcissist, and these
things completely changed myperspective on the space that I
was in.
I've realized that I was verydeeply entrenched in enemy
territory, and so the space thatI want to be in is a space that
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incentivizes people like me, isa space that acknowledges that
people make different decisions,a space that allows for that
people make different decisions,a space that allows for people
like me to feel like there issomeone that is up to help them,
and those spaces are typicallynot going to be predominantly
white, and that hurts me a lot,despite the fact that I am
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typically opposed to them.
Despite the fact that I amtypically opposed to them, it
hurts me a lot that leftistspaces that are supposed to be
as inclusive as possible excludepeople like me and instead prop
up cis, hetero, white men and Ihope I'm not rambling, by the
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way no, no, honestly you'resaying so much that I don't Let
me just jump in real quick.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
First of all, I just want to acknowledge the harm
that you've experienced because,yes, there's two individuals.
We'll let the comments decide.
We'll let them figure out whothese folks are.
It's obvious as hell.
If you don't know, make sure tolook up Julianne on her page
and try to find it.
It's obvious as hell.
If you don't know, make sure tolook up Julianne on her page
and try to find it.
Dig deep, let's give her someviews.
(24:15):
But I just want to acknowledgethat experience that you had
because, you know, I had my ownexperience on set with those two
individuals and, from myperspective, it felt like they
took up a lot of space in a waythat, like, like made me really
uncomfortable, like it was justthe two of them like fighting
each other for ben shapiro'stime, while there was so many
people like yourself and othersthat didn't even really get an
opportunity to speak.
Um, I luckily got anopportunity to speak, but also,
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like you know, I'm like a shark.
I look for my moment.
When there's blood in the water, I'm gonna fucking bite, uh, so
be careful, but um, but alsothat takes with a lot of years
of experience.
There was a lot of people thatdid not like spent money to be a
part of this and didn't getthat and that kind of was my
first thing.
That kind of rubbed me wrongabout these two folks.
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And my other experience is, like, after I went on that jubilee
experience, they would go liveand say, like yeah, I know a
trans person.
Their name is shane.
First of all, you don't know me.
We shook hands once we met on aset.
We never had a conversation.
You don't even follow me.
We've never, you know.
So you're using me as a talkingpoint as a trans person.
You're saying incorrect stuffon a live um.
I even requested uh to to tryto like help correct some of
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that stuff because, like, it'sreally important to correct when
people are misspeaking abouttrans people, especially using
my name attached to it, which isweird.
Um and uh.
And I even had another tiktokerum who I collabed with for a
moment.
Like reach out to me that they.
She had a similar experiencewith the two individuals too,
like um, and it sucks because,like, I do still in a way, want
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to see them succeed because Ithink they could be pretty
powerful, but I think thatthere's a level of like.
Even what's going on with HarrySisson right now.
I mean like, like you said,like I was on a live last night
I lost my live access because Iwas trying to big bro him and
give him some advice because,like, uh, he's navigating a lot
of stuff, he's made somemistakes, he's acknowledging
(26:05):
he's making mistakes again.
I don't know every receipt andthere might be some stuff that I
might have to even be like hey,actually I don't support Cause
I don't know, I'm not going toever vouch for especially a cis
man's bullshit but what I saw inhim in that live and what I
don't see in the other twoindividuals and even what even
happened to him, like he gotthrown under the bus by those
two individuals too, and likeit's like this narrative of like
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this perfect moral, whateverthat you have to be this person
and then you cut off that personyou caught, and I feel like
that kind of happened to you too.
Meanwhile, it's like, from myunderstanding, one of them was
racist, you know, and said allthese things.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
One of the guys.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, it was and said all these things.
One of the guys, yeah, it waslike on, was it twitter or
something?
I don't, I don't know exactly.
I don't, I didn't do too muchresearch because, but I will say
, like I, they openly admit, yes, I had a racist past and da da,
da da.
But meanwhile it's like folkslike yourself, julie, like maybe
you did make some mistakes.
I don't honestly know exactlywhat went wrong.
I always just loved your livesbecause you're funny as fuck and
you know how to read somebody.
(27:03):
But um a, I'm also proud of youthat you're even able to
acknowledge maybe some mistakesyou've made, even in the light
of being harmed, because traumais not an easy thing to navigate
.
But I've seen like these twoguys kind of like not be held
accountable and it kind of stillplays into white supremacy, but
then they're sitting theresaying they're taking down white
that's what I wanted but, I'mlike wait a You're actually
(27:24):
still using the master's tools.
You know what I mean.
And it's like wait, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's exactly what I wanted to say, and it's giving
grifty a little.
you know what I mean, but Idon't know it's grifting yes,
but I think we also are tryingto wake up the fact that white
supremacy can also the left, ohyeah, and just because we're all
on the same side and havesimilar values and views or
whatnot, there's still thislevel of white supremacy at the
(27:50):
top that's gonna deem somepeople in the on the left as
superior to others, and itsounds like that with these two
individuals because I would haveto go back and re-look at the
episode or whatnot yeah, um, itseems like these two are just
trying to make a statement.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're trying to make a name for they're trying
to make a name for contentcreators.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But it's like but they're taking away from other
people whose voice also hasvalue and actually has more
value in a time where there's somuch chaos and hatred for no
reason, misphobia and all ofthese things, and it's like,
instead of those two running tothe seat, they should just be
letting other people go.
But here's the thing theirmentality ain't set up that way
(28:35):
and we got to call a spade aspade.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, that's why like having these type of
conversations?
I think it's important.
It's important to acknowledgethe harm that Julie experienced
I mean like and we think it'simportant.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's important to acknowledge the harm that julie
experienced.
I mean like and we're so sorryabout that that you experienced
that harm.
By the way, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I want to say I'm sorry yeah, one more thing,
because I have my adhd and Itotally want to get this out.
Um, just in hearing you speakearlier and to blossom's point
about it is important tohighlight more voices than these
, just these two guys, becauseyour world experience that you
just described as being a womanand saying like you understand
trans people, and like thatwhole in-depth, intertwined
(29:10):
conversation that I think ciswomen and trans women need to
have more often, and I think youcould be a catalyst in that and
a great leader.
Because it sounds like youreally like I was like girl, are
you trans?
Like that sounds likeeverything we deal with you know
like in a different way,clearly, because there's,
there's nuance, but like, yeah,it's still that same patriarchal
(29:32):
, higher hierarchical whitesupremacy structure that we're
all facing.
Um, that harms us all in amultitude of ways, and folks who
are in our progressive spacescan make mistakes.
I've made mistakes.
Awesome, you made mistakes.
We've all like no one again ismorally perfect, but again I
(29:53):
feel like we've taken up toomuch.
So, julie, what's your what?
What the fuck is your rebuttal?
What's your rebuttal?
What do you got?
because I know that and I don'twant to trigger you too much
because I, I do still want togive space for you no,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Uh, I oh in that filming, um I, before I even
talk about anything else, I Ithink it's really important.
Um I want to let you guys knowI have a reddit of 2 000 people.
Oh wow, uh, just to hate on me.
Um, I am so unimportant.
We know what that's.
A thousand people spend so muchtime talking about me yeah,
(30:27):
it's weird right, um and after.
After my experience with thatman and um, because it was I I
don't even know if it would beappropriate to go down what had
happened because of such a heavytrigger warning, I realized
(30:49):
something about those two that Idid not think that even they
were possible of.
When I decided to just becandid and say exactly what had
happened to me, bar for bar,their response was probably one
(31:11):
of the most disgusting that Ihad ever seen.
I guess, in a way to discreditthe fact that I was being abused
and manipulated by a man whoowns several firearms.
Oh, I guess to kind of quellthe pushback, they instead
(31:39):
accused me of sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I saw that they accused me of not caring about
Palestinian people, because I,as a Black woman, have a nuanced
opinion on what it means tovote in the face of genocide.
Yes, preach they.
Also.
They painted me out to besomeone of whom they've been
(32:07):
trying to change to be better,as if, again, I'm a dog to be
trained by two cis, hetero whitemen.
And I remember in that filming,because I was sitting right
next to them, dean tried to talkto me, saying how happy he was
(32:33):
to see me, and I don'tunderstand.
I don't know about you guys,but would you be happy to see
someone that has sexuallyharassed you?
No, I don't think so.
And so to use something likethat against a Black woman,
(32:54):
knowing that peoplehyper-sexualize me, knowing that
Black women are seen as sexualdeviants, even by those on the
left, when you stem from apredominantly white supremacist
space, that is, white leftistspaces, especially on the
internet, when you accuse aBlack woman of such a disgusting
(33:15):
and abhorrently violentbehavior towards you, people are
just going to believe it andthey don't care, despite the
fact that previously this was anunderstanding between the three
of us.
We would talk about it all thetime.
I made them so much goddamncash because of the jokes that I
(33:35):
would make and they would tellme to keep going If anything.
The man that abused me tried toweaponize the same thing
against me, and those two werethe ones who defend me against
him.
So I thought it was sodisgusting for him to pretend as
if a person like me, who he hasclaimed to have harmed him in
(33:56):
such a way he is now all of asudden happy to see gross.
So disgusting, and that's justthat.
Um, I also think.
Um, we have a, we haven't.
I'm sorry, I think I forgotyour question.
(34:16):
I hope I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's totally fine, we're going everywhere I, and
it's triggering and I'm sorry ifI did trigger you from asking
that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, no no, no, no, I'm not triggered, but it does
make me angry.
Yeah, because people treat meterribly.
I think it's disgusting whenyour supporters come up on my
live streams and call me slurs.
I think it's disgusting whentheir supporters come up on my
(34:49):
live streams and make fun of aman who held a gun to his head
in front of me, right, I mean.
So I think the spaces that theyharbor are inherently violent,
um, as well as the fact that, uh, I've always found it weird
that, specifically on debatetalk, that there is debate talk
and then there is black debatetalk.
That doesn't make any sense.
(35:10):
It doesn't make sense because,in terms of, like American
ideologies regardingprogressivism, they've always
been spearheaded by black andbrown bodies.
So I would just like to knowwhy is it that the top
spearheads of this leftistideology on the Internet are for
(35:34):
allegedly for not allegedly notmy word.
Yes, Cis hetero white men.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I know why.
Why can't we have a trans guy?
Listen, I know how pussies work.
I can find the clit.
I mean listen, julie I thinkit's very obvious.
Yeah, shit, you want to see theepisode we just shot.
That was a little spicy Blossomand I we already had a moment.
Um, julie, I just first of allI want to say thank you for
(36:08):
having this conversation today.
I know it's not easy.
I know when I reached out toyou, you were even like there
was a lot of trepidation in theconversation and I really just
want to respect the fact thatyou have these conversations.
Especially as a survivor ofabuse, it's important to have
them as hard as they are,because you don't know who this
conversation might actually helpuplift by seeing your power,
(36:29):
especially as a black woman.
Blossom is my co-host and bestfriend and she deals with that
angry black woman tropeconstantly and it's so
disgusting and that's why Iwanted to bring you on today to
give you some flowers, tell youthat.
You know, keep doing yourtiktok debates, keep showing up
in the way that you are, keepyou know.
If there's a way I can supportyou, reach out to me, let me
(36:51):
know.
Um, even collabs, we can dotiktok dances together.
I don't give a shit.
Um, you know, I just want youto know, like, in terms of just
an impact you've made on me,there's been times where I've
had some rough days and I'vewatched your live and I can
laugh when I'm finding out fromthis administration that I'm
going to be eradicated.
(37:12):
But you said something funny.
I was like holy fuck, I canstill laugh.
So that's why, like it wasimportant for me to reach out to
you as much as I did.
I'm sorry if it was a little toomuch for you on the line, but I
was like a little thirsty, Iknow, but I was so excited to
meet you and give you more spacebecause I really felt, like the
way that you showed up to thetable with Ben, like you had a
(37:32):
lot to say and it didn't get.
It didn't get to be out in theway that it is and I hope that
people continue to follow youdidn't get to be out in the way
that it is and I hope thatpeople continue to follow you.
Please spell your username forfolks and give all that
information out so people knowwhere to find these debates on
TikTok Live, because it'simportant for people to really
support you, and I think it'simportant to have a black woman
as the head of leftist TikTokdebates too.
(37:53):
I mean, the intersectionalityof your experience is something
that even I can't draw from.
I don't know what it's like tofeel racism in that extent, and
it's an experience that needs tobe talked on, especially in
leftist spaces and especially asa black woman, because that
experience gets erased and, uh,misconstrued far too often.
So where the hell can peoplefind you?
(38:13):
What?
What's the news?
Where's the tea?
Where are you at, girl?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh, I'm a little bit of everywhere, uh, right now,
mainly, my main platform isobviously tiktok uh.
You can find me attashikababy2i is not a y lock in
um um, I'm also.
I also have two publications onsubstack uh, called uh, ain't I
a leftist?
And uh.
(38:37):
Another one going over thecurrent state of affairs in the
united states, called who askeduh, and on sub stack I am
julianne tashika.
Um uh.
And then should I give myinstagram?
Yes, come on.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Give the venmo listen .
I put venmo link in bio.
Send me a dollar two on live.
What the fuck I mean?
Thank you for the dollar.
You know who that's from.
Anyways, go on.
Sorry, I'm petty, my uh my ig,though, is bimistake.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't know how I can spell that I love that we'll
find you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
We'll find you.
We'll get you linked below inthe video.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Thank you I won't make.
Um, I post.
I post funny memes and stuff onthere, because sometimes we
just need a break and then whatelse I don't know.
If you go on my sub stack, therest of my links are there.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And make sure to subscribe as well.
Send her money.
Venmo Linkin Blossom.
Do you have any statements?
My reparations immediately.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Listen.
The only thing I have to say iskeep being so badass.
We need you in this movement.
I didn't even know about debateTikTok.
I need to get on there anddebate Girl.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I've been telling you .
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I know I'm about to get my political.
I have two.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
TikToks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I love talking shit on there I have my tarot TikTok
and I have my political TikTok,oh you do tarot?
I do.
Tarot reader and an astrologer,yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She can read you in more ways than one.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, girl, we gonna talk, we gonna connect.
Okay, I think that you are soamazing and you said a lot of
great things here, and I knowthat people are going to listen
and even if they don't listen,make them listen.
Keep being loud, keep beingheard, keep being seen.
They're going to always try touse our race and our gender
(40:22):
identities and gender expressionas a way to deter us from what
the goal actually is, but that'snot going to happen because of
voices like you, and so I loveyou dearly, shane loves you
dearly.
We're out of time, so, withthat being said, make sure you
hit the subscribe button downbelow, so that way you'll know
when me and Shane post newvideos, and remember to take a
little time to enjoy theTransparency Podcast Show.
(40:43):
We'll see you next time.
This is the Transparency Podcast Show.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Welcome to the Transparency Podcast.
My name is Shane Ivan Nash andI'm here with my co-host who's
got the most beautiful wig ontoday.
I love the Beyonce energy.
I know your partner's takingyou to Beyonce.
I can see the vibe, the energy.
Yes, I'm excited, awesome.
You know, I've been watchingthese TikTok lives and really
(00:24):
getting into it, especiallybecause of all of our Jubilee
stuff.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yeah, you know, I'm the TikTok illiterate one.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I know girl, I'm trying to get you on TikTok more
.
I'm trying to teach you theways of the world.
But I actually met this amazingwoman on set with the Ben
Shapiro.
We didn't really get a chanceto chat too much because I was a
little nervous too on set.
It was a lot to even.
There was so much energy andemotions on that set.
But I started to watch hercontent on TikTok live and she
(00:51):
was funny as fucking shit.
I feel like she didn't even getan opportunity to even like
show who she was because, likeyou know, jubilee and those
girls tussle, they just like.
Here here's a little clip form.
The republicans can jerk off toit and be angry, um, but she
never really got to show likethe dynamic side that I was
seeing her on tiktok, becausethe way that she reads these
republicans is like oh, it is sofucking hilarious.
(01:15):
And she does this as a blackwoman, which is really stark
difference to a lot of like someof these other tiktokers you
see going live um.
Let's get you some buttons holdon.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, I'll handle the clap okay, but um, I need a
hand clap for that.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I want to introduce uh, since it's such a long intro
, because she actually reallydeserves uh, her flowers in that
space.
Uh, julianne, julianne, how thefuck are you doing today?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
hi, julianne oh my god, that was such an amazing
intro.
I'm gonna tear up now, um, butI am doing amazing.
You know, shane, when to tearup now, but I am doing amazing.
You know, shane, when you cameup on my live that one time and
asked me to be on your podcast,I had to play it cool.
You know what I mean for theaudience.
But I was in my head, I waslike ecstatic, like if I could
blush, my face would be red.
(02:00):
I really appreciate you invitingme on here.
I'm so excited to have any kindof conversation you want to
have.
To be honest, I'm so happy tobe here.
You're both so beautiful.
I remember seeing you on setand when you turned that chair
(02:20):
around, okay, I was shook andI'm so sad that we didn't get to
talk.
Look, I'm so sad that we didn'tget to talk.
Look, I'm so sad that we didn'tget to talk about it, but I'm
so happy that I finally get tolike actually have like an
interpersonal conversation withyou here.
I really, again, I really doappreciate the opportunity of
you bringing me on your platformas well as a beautiful woman,
okay.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I know right, oh, that's so sweet.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Well, is that sensational?
Is that sensational?
I gotta know, I gotta know.
I love that color.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
I told you I love her .
Speaker 2 (02:47):
She's funny as fuck.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
What's your zodiac sign?
I'm a Scorpio.
Ooh, october or November.
November, ooh, fifth, ooh.
She gets them right on together.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
So thank you guys so much.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Julie, my question is , first of all, how the fuck do
you feel after meeting benshapiro in the way that you did,
since we both had to deal withthat whole fun time?
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I mean, let me first say that, uh, I I've debated
people in person.
That's how I started outdebating, um, you know, like you
know either, that be likeseminars in high school, middle
school, things like that.
But being on that stage withBen Shapiro, my heart was
(03:33):
genuinely beating out of mychest, um, especially like
seeing this man who had, like,caused so many issues, uh, face
to face and like trying tofigure out, like what exactly I
should say to him.
It was very surreal, um, but II would have to say that, uh,
(03:54):
after speaking to him andlistening to him speak in the
worldviews that he had, itdefinitely changed my
perspective, um on how I shoulddeal with people like him.
Um, because I don't know if youremember, but on set he kind of
made uh a that claim that healways makes, despite the fact
(04:16):
that, like, people keepdebunking him on it, um,
regarding like, uh, like blackpeople and their crime rate and
whether or not it's well, heclaims he's from the streets and
he claims he's from the streetsof burbank at the same time.
Oh yeah, I remember that likehello, you know so, uh, I
remember when he said that and,um, it was a gut check, it
didn't yeah very much so and I,I, when I, when I got back to my
(04:41):
hotel and I realized how thatfelt, I broke down.
I completely broke down,completely began crying and
because I was like this is nothow, these are not the
conversations that I want tohave, completely just rooted in
racism and that is simply allthat.
It is right Because and Ireally would have wished that
(05:09):
they had let like what the fourblack women in the entire room
talk to him about these- things.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Well, we know why that didn't happen because two
certain white boys had, you know, an attention and an ego they
needed to fill.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
But we'll talk about that.
I mean, I mean honestly, it'snot just the two of them, but
they are significant.
The thing is is like I had toacknowledge the rage I have as a
black woman and from that dayon I made a vow to myself that
(05:49):
if a person ever would to erectsuch type of rhetoric in a room
with me in it.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
I am either going to leave or I'm going to explode.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Well, you saw what happened to me.
So, yeah, yeah, you know, and Irespect you for that.
I think you handled that theway you should have and I think
a lot of the time these leftistspaces were taught that, like
we're too good for rage Talkabout it.
To be upset and I'm like theseare the main things, Right.
Like I don't think peopleunderstand, Like you're not
(06:13):
going to know why things liketransphobia are wrong without
talking to trans people andknowing the experiences.
Same with racism, Same withmisogyny.
Right Same with racism Same withmisogyny Right Emotions and
experiences are required to havea deep, fundamental
understandings of thesestruggles.
And so the fact that you wereso brave to get up and talk to
(06:36):
Ben Shapiro the way that heought to be spoken to, not as if
you're not, this whole likelike uppity, like performance,
art, intellectual stuff, like no, we don't need that.
We need more people to be angry, we need more people to be loud
, we need more people to come inand just disrupt not say to do,
(06:58):
but like disrupt these spacesthat have this really rigid,
like antiotion, anti-experience.
I don't know, vibe, because Ifeel like things like that
genuinely kill an entiremovement, especially one like
leftism that is predicated offof like black and queer bodies,
(07:21):
um of which most of what we haveis our experiences.
Is that not enough?
I would have to ask people, butyou know that's how I, that's
what was going through my headafter, you know, talking to Ben
there.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Yeah, it's interesting because we literally
just had a conversation aboutthis, literally had this
conversation in our last episodeabout emotional intelligence
and how we are talking fromlived experiences.
And I think it's weird because,if you really think about it,
these people that we talk to,like Ben Shapiro, they can't
relate to our experiences.
Ben Shapiro could never relateto being black, and being a
(07:55):
black woman at that.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Having rhythm.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Having rhythm, anything.
You know what I mean.
And so it's like they try tocreate these false ideologies
about our experiences becausethey don't have any compelling
facts or any compellingarguments to live experiences.
They just do not, and I thinkwhat you said right there is so,
so important.
(08:17):
You made a great point abouthow we can be on the left.
I've always said that people onthe left don't support trans
folks enough like the folks onthe right do.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Or our problematic folks in general.
I mean like we need to supporteveryone that is on our side,
that's willing to fight.
I mean, most of the people thathave helped me in my life
probably would get canceled onthe internet, but they would
drop me a hundred dollars in aVenmo right away because they
know who I am, they know that Ido the work, but they would drop
me a hundred dollars in a venmoright away because they know
who I am, they know that I dothe work and they will support
(08:48):
that in that sense, but they'llalso might say something that
would a hundred percent get themcanceled.
And it's this idea that we haveto like be this morally perfect
activist, which I'm sorry.
There's not a human being onthis planet that doesn't make
mistakes.
There's not a human being onthis planet that has all the
knowledge.
Anybody that claims they do.
I do not trust anybody thatclaims they know everything,
(09:09):
because that is a scaryindividual to be contacting.
And people like Michael Knowles,ben Shapiro and all of these
people that are coming in arecoming in with the assertion
that they do know everything andthat everything is an absolute
and there is no nuance andeverything is black and white.
Meanwhile, like you said,they're not actually being
affected in the same ways thatwe are.
They don't have the livedexperience, if you're I mean
(09:29):
like through my transition as awhite guy.
Like, let's be a hundredpercent real.
Yes, they still experiencetransphobia, yes, I still
experience a lot of those things, but I for the most part when I
walk through space, when I walkthrough the world.
This world was built for peoplelike me and I can feel the
stark difference after mytransition and that's why I'm so
vocal about it is because Iwant men to understand their
(09:51):
privilege in a way that they maynot even be aware of, which is
really hard, because they dolack a lot of emotional empathy,
because we've got all this redpill, andrew tate, guys that are
hyping him up trying to tellhim hey, do this and you're
going to get laid Meanwhile it'slike— and they're also saying
you're a pussy for being intouch with your emotions.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
I hear that a lot and it's crazy.
And so, julie, I want to knowsomething.
Tell us, because we're talkingabout spaces, what spaces would
you like to see yourself in?
Because we're going to manifestsome things today.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
What spaces would you like to be in for people to
hear more of your perspective,which is so important as a black
woman?
Yeah, um, I don't want to getemotional okay, we're not here,
can we get, but can we get theall button pushed?
Oh?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
um, thank you.
Um, I had actually beenthinking about that for a long
time, um, and it's been aquestion that I've asked myself,
and a question that has, like,left me a lot of sleepless
nights, a lot of tears, um, alot of sad days.
I, for, I believe, like for thepast uh, couple of months, I've
(11:05):
been crying very consistently.
So I have to drink a lot ofwater and, um, you know,
pedialyte has me down pack.
I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Sponsorship to.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Pedialyte.
Yo, uh, sponsor me.
No, sponsor this video.
But yeah, like uh, I actuallyrecently wrote about it in my um
, my recent publication onsubstack um, in which, when I
first hit the tiktok space, Iblew up very quickly.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Who was that?
How did that even?
How did you get to TikTokdebate space?
I've actually never known thatstory Me neither, yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Well, I've always debated Growing up.
I've always loved arguing withpeople.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
It's always been my thing.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Yeah, it's very fun.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
yeah, it's very fun, um, and I would actually first
began debating on, like a massstage, on an app called
clubhouse oh yeah, that was hardwhen it was exclusive and they
didn't let everybody in yeah, so, yeah, I was on clubhouse.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I still went by tashika, ask, ask Around, and I
was definitely on the you knowblack side of Clubhouse and one
day I you know scrolling TikTokand I'm getting bombarded with
these debate live streams andfor like a long time I would say
(12:30):
like maybe like a couple months, I was just watching them and I
particularly would watch a lotof live streams that were hosted
by trans people and, uh,particularly trans women.
She got super canceled, sowe're not going to talk about
her too much, but I know whatyou're talking about you know
yeah so, um, yeah, I'm over here, I think you're actually
(12:52):
friends with her, never mind.
Go on.
Yeah, no, I'm not going to, butlike it's.
No, it was really bad, but like.
But I would actually watch herlives and at the time I really
looked up to her and because I,when I listened to her
experiences as a trans woman, Ikept hearing myself and I kept
(13:15):
hearing my own experiences as aBlack woman.
I would think back to how,growing up, I knew I was a girl,
I knew I was cisgender, but Iwasn't treated like a girl and
that caused a lot of dysphoricfeelings towards me.
And and that caused a lot ofdysphoric feelings towards me.
(13:36):
And it was.
I understood how I wanted to betreated, but people refused to
treat me that way, despite howfeminine I would make myself
feel.
I even went through like asuper hyper masculine phase that
still left me feeling like Iwasn't fitting in my body, and
it took me a long time torealize that it wasn't me that
wasn't fitting in my body.
And it took me a long time torealize that it wasn't me that
(13:57):
wasn't fitting in my body.
It was my body not fitting intosociety and or society not
wanting my body to be involved.
And when I would hear thesetrans people speak about their
experiences.
I just related on such a heavylike, just on a heavy note, and
(14:17):
I said, okay, I'm going to starttalking about this, and I
started doing my live streamsadvocating for LGBTQ education
in schools, talking about thelike, trying to defend the
personhood of trans people,which is an uphill battle.
(14:38):
I I don't know why, um, butthat's where it all began and,
uh, for some reason, I just blewup in a matter of weeks not for
some reason give you know yousaw yourself way too short, and
I'm really realizing this as Iknow you more and more.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
You're really fucking hilarious and highly
intelligent, like I don't thinkyou've recognized that about
yourself, because what you'relike 23.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Okay, real recognizes real.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
Look, thank you, thank you, Thank you, and I'm
sorry it's like a, you know it'sa habit of mine.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I know it's self-deprecating.
I only, just, like at 35,started thinking I was hot,
don't trip.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Go on.
Oh please, You've been hotbefore that.
Let's lock in.
So look, so like I.
The thing that caused me a lotof pain about finding out what
(15:39):
spaces I wanted to be in isrealizing deep down why I became
so popular, so fast because, umand no offense, shane most of
my audience was white andthere's that element.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
No offense is taken.
I talk about it all the timewith shane oh, I know, yeah,
it's a boom sound effect.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Oh, we got it all.
We got it all.
My goodness, you guys arehilarious.
Um, zia, uh, I gotta lock in,okay, no, so I, I.
It took me a long time torealize this, uh, but, like,
most of my audience was whiteand I couldn't help but notice,
by the way, that people wouldspeak to me and also speak about
(16:16):
me.
I want to remind you this is arealization that I came to a
couple months ago and peoplewould regard my anger as a crash
out, my frustration, as everyemotion I had was just higher.
They represented it as higherthan what I was actually feeling
.
Um, people would call me strong, a lot, which I am, but it has
(16:41):
some weird undertones.
Sometimes people would commenton my intelligence as to say
that I'm not stupid, but I'mlike I've never said that I was
stupid, or, like you know, likelittle things like that it's the
microaggression, yeah, yeah,saying that I was loud, too,
aggressive, things like that.
Um, and by that at that time Ialso dressed very me my big
(17:06):
lashes, my banging um, mystriking makeup, all the the 10
of 10s, right, because I'm fromphilly, so I dress like a philly
girl and in the house periodphilly mentioned that.
So, like, um, it seemed like alot of the time when I would
talk to people, they kind ofexpected something different,
(17:30):
like when they saw the way thatI looked, they expected for me
to speak a certain way, to act acertain way, to do it, to
blossom to.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, and I realized that over time that the reason I
became so popular, specificallyamongst white people, is
because I subverted theirexpectations.
Is because I subverted theirexpectations Is because they
expected for a girl who went byTashika, a very ethnic name who
(18:03):
looked like me, to not be ableto engage in the intellectual
and philosophical conversationsthat I was engaging in.
They didn't expect for me toactually have training in
debates and speak the way that Ido, with the confidence I do,
all while still maintaining mysilly disposition.
And that was new to them.
(18:24):
And at the time I genuinelythought I think I've already
known this.
But because at the time Ithought that like, okay, it's
good that I'm subverting theirexpectations, their racist
expectations, but I realizedthat it doesn't actually change
their perception of Black peopleas a whole.
Instead, they see me as anoutlier and not the status quo
(18:47):
of Black women who live and looklike me.
And once I realized that Ibegan to think of my platform
much differently, especiallywith my experiences, you know,
with those two demons whatdemons.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
What Voldemort?
We're not going to speak theirname.
I hear that.
I respect that what voldemort.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
We're not going to speak their name.
I hear that.
I respect that.
Um, it's just really hard forme to talk about them still, uh,
because of the amount of traumathat I went through.
Um, yeah, and I know actually Iwould choke on it too, and but
no, I have something in mythroat, look nah.
(19:34):
But yeah, go on uh, but yeah,like there I I did experience a
lot of trauma, uh, regarding myexperiences with them yeah and
when I saw the way that peoplewould react uh, with the way
that people did react when allof it happened, I kind of
(19:55):
realized something about thespace that I was in and I
started to crave being around myown people, being around more
POC, being around more Blackpeople.
And when I looked at my lifeand I realized that I only had
issues with people of a certainhue, I was floored Because the
entire time I thought to myselfI am in a good space, I'm in a
(20:17):
good space, I'm in a space thatI ought to be in.
Why do I feel so alone?
Why do I feel like, if I steptoo far out, I am going to be
treated as if I am a dog thatneeds to be corralled?
And when I behave as the Blackwoman that I am, that I was
(20:40):
taught to behave as one thatdoesn't really ask for help
because I assume that it's notthere for me, one that responds
with anger as a way ofprotection, one that
acknowledges the fact that to anextent, I am alone in this
(21:00):
space and to an extent in theworld.
When that man did what he did tome, I did not look for help in
the people around me, I did notfeel like I could.
I think, fundamentally, I wasaware that there would be no
(21:23):
help for me and that unless Imade myself smaller and unless I
huddled up in a corner like achild, that I would not receive
any help.
Because the strength I have inthe community that I was in was
(21:45):
not seen as a positive.
It was seen as a way to dividepeople, and I did what I thought
was right.
And because I did what Ithought was right, because I did
not sit back and let otherpeople try to solve my problems,
(22:11):
and because others were notable to impose their wants and
morality onto me, I was not aperfect victim, and because of
that I was met with significanthatred.
I was met with harassment, Iwas met with death threats.
I was met with peoplesexualizing me, people calling
(22:33):
me a monster, a narcissist,spell narcissist, and these
things completely changed myperspective on the space that I
was in.
I've realized that I was verydeeply entrenched in enemy
territory, and so the space thatI want to be in is a space that
(22:58):
incentivizes people like me, isa space that acknowledges that
people make different decisions,a space that allows for that
people make different decisions,a space that allows for people
like me to feel like there issomeone that is up to help them,
and those spaces are typicallynot going to be predominantly
white, and that hurts me a lot,despite the fact that I am
(23:22):
typically opposed to them.
Despite the fact that I amtypically opposed to them, it
hurts me a lot that leftistspaces that are supposed to be
as inclusive as possible excludepeople like me and instead prop
up cis, hetero, white men and Ihope I'm not rambling, by the
(23:43):
way no, no, honestly you'resaying so much that I don't Let
me just jump in real quick.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
First of all, I just want to acknowledge the harm
that you've experienced because,yes, there's two individuals.
We'll let the comments decide.
We'll let them figure out whothese folks are.
It's obvious as hell.
If you don't know, make sure tolook up Julianne on her page
and try to find it.
It's obvious as hell.
If you don't know, make sure tolook up Julianne on her page
and try to find it.
Dig deep, let's give her someviews.
(24:15):
But I just want to acknowledgethat experience that you had
because, you know, I had my ownexperience on set with those two
individuals and, from myperspective, it felt like they
took up a lot of space in a waythat, like, like made me really
uncomfortable, like it was justthe two of them like fighting
each other for ben shapiro'stime, while there was so many
people like yourself and othersthat didn't even really get an
opportunity to speak.
Um, I luckily got anopportunity to speak, but also,
(24:39):
like you know, I'm like a shark.
I look for my moment.
When there's blood in the water, I'm gonna fucking bite, uh, so
be careful, but um, but alsothat takes with a lot of years
of experience.
There was a lot of people thatdid not like spent money to be a
part of this and didn't getthat and that kind of was my
first thing.
That kind of rubbed me wrongabout these two folks.
(24:59):
And my other experience is, like, after I went on that jubilee
experience, they would go liveand say, like yeah, I know a
trans person.
Their name is shane.
First of all, you don't know me.
We shook hands once we met on aset.
We never had a conversation.
You don't even follow me.
We've never, you know.
So you're using me as a talkingpoint as a trans person.
You're saying incorrect stuffon a live um.
I even requested uh to to tryto like help correct some of
(25:22):
that stuff because, like, it'sreally important to correct when
people are misspeaking abouttrans people, especially using
my name attached to it, which isweird.
Um and uh.
And I even had another tiktokerum who I collabed with for a
moment.
Like reach out to me that they.
She had a similar experiencewith the two individuals too,
like um, and it sucks because,like, I do still in a way, want
(25:45):
to see them succeed because Ithink they could be pretty
powerful, but I think thatthere's a level of like.
Even what's going on with HarrySisson right now.
I mean like, like you said,like I was on a live last night
I lost my live access because Iwas trying to big bro him and
give him some advice because,like, uh, he's navigating a lot
of stuff, he's made somemistakes, he's acknowledging
(26:05):
he's making mistakes again.
I don't know every receipt andthere might be some stuff that I
might have to even be like hey,actually I don't support Cause
I don't know, I'm not going toever vouch for especially a cis
man's bullshit but what I saw inhim in that live and what I
don't see in the other twoindividuals and even what even
happened to him, like he gotthrown under the bus by those
two individuals too, and likeit's like this narrative of like
(26:28):
this perfect moral, whateverthat you have to be this person
and then you cut off that personyou caught, and I feel like
that kind of happened to you too.
Meanwhile, it's like, from myunderstanding, one of them was
racist, you know, and said allthese things.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
One of the guys.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Yeah, it was and said all these things.
One of the guys, yeah, it waslike on, was it twitter or
something?
I don't, I don't know exactly.
I don't, I didn't do too muchresearch because, but I will say
, like I, they openly admit, yes, I had a racist past and da da,
da da.
But meanwhile it's like folkslike yourself, julie, like maybe
you did make some mistakes.
I don't honestly know exactlywhat went wrong.
I always just loved your livesbecause you're funny as fuck and
you know how to read somebody.
(27:03):
But um a, I'm also proud of youthat you're even able to
acknowledge maybe some mistakesyou've made, even in the light
of being harmed, because traumais not an easy thing to navigate
.
But I've seen like these twoguys kind of like not be held
accountable and it kind of stillplays into white supremacy, but
then they're sitting theresaying they're taking down white
that's what I wanted but, I'mlike wait a You're actually
(27:24):
still using the master's tools.
You know what I mean.
And it's like wait, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
That's exactly what I wanted to say, and it's giving
grifty a little.
you know what I mean, but Idon't know it's grifting yes,
but I think we also are tryingto wake up the fact that white
supremacy can also the left, ohyeah, and just because we're all
on the same side and havesimilar values and views or
whatnot, there's still thislevel of white supremacy at the
(27:50):
top that's gonna deem somepeople in the on the left as
superior to others, and itsounds like that with these two
individuals because I would haveto go back and re-look at the
episode or whatnot yeah, um, itseems like these two are just
trying to make a statement.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
They're trying to make a name for they're trying
to make a name for contentcreators.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
But it's like but they're taking away from other
people whose voice also hasvalue and actually has more
value in a time where there's somuch chaos and hatred for no
reason, misphobia and all ofthese things, and it's like,
instead of those two running tothe seat, they should just be
letting other people go.
But here's the thing theirmentality ain't set up that way
(28:35):
and we got to call a spade aspade.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, that's why like having these type of
conversations?
I think it's important.
It's important to acknowledgethe harm that Julie experienced
I mean like and we think it'simportant.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
It's important to acknowledge the harm that julie
experienced.
I mean like and we're so sorryabout that that you experienced
that harm.
By the way, I was.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I want to say I'm sorry yeah, one more thing,
because I have my adhd and Itotally want to get this out.
Um, just in hearing you speakearlier and to blossom's point
about it is important tohighlight more voices than these
, just these two guys, becauseyour world experience that you
just described as being a womanand saying like you understand
trans people, and like thatwhole in-depth, intertwined
(29:10):
conversation that I think ciswomen and trans women need to
have more often, and I think youcould be a catalyst in that and
a great leader.
Because it sounds like youreally like I was like girl, are
you trans?
Like that sounds likeeverything we deal with you know
like in a different way,clearly, because there's,
there's nuance, but like, yeah,it's still that same patriarchal
(29:32):
, higher hierarchical whitesupremacy structure that we're
all facing.
Um, that harms us all in amultitude of ways, and folks who
are in our progressive spacescan make mistakes.
I've made mistakes.
Awesome, you made mistakes.
We've all like no one again ismorally perfect, but again I
(29:53):
feel like we've taken up toomuch.
So, julie, what's your what?
What the fuck is your rebuttal?
What's your rebuttal?
What do you got?
because I know that and I don'twant to trigger you too much
because I, I do still want togive space for you no,
absolutely.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Uh, I oh in that filming, um I, before I even
talk about anything else, I Ithink it's really important.
Um I want to let you guys knowI have a reddit of 2 000 people.
Oh wow, uh, just to hate on me.
Um, I am so unimportant.
We know what that's.
A thousand people spend so muchtime talking about me yeah,
(30:27):
it's weird right, um and after.
After my experience with thatman and um, because it was I I
don't even know if it would beappropriate to go down what had
happened because of such a heavytrigger warning, I realized
(30:49):
something about those two that Idid not think that even they
were possible of.
When I decided to just becandid and say exactly what had
happened to me, bar for bar,their response was probably one
(31:11):
of the most disgusting that Ihad ever seen.
I guess, in a way to discreditthe fact that I was being abused
and manipulated by a man whoowns several firearms.
Oh, I guess to kind of quellthe pushback, they instead
(31:39):
accused me of sexual harassment.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I saw that they accused me of not caring about
Palestinian people, because I,as a Black woman, have a nuanced
opinion on what it means tovote in the face of genocide.
Yes, preach they.
Also.
They painted me out to besomeone of whom they've been
(32:07):
trying to change to be better,as if, again, I'm a dog to be
trained by two cis, hetero whitemen.
And I remember in that filming,because I was sitting right
next to them, dean tried to talkto me, saying how happy he was
(32:33):
to see me, and I don'tunderstand.
I don't know about you guys,but would you be happy to see
someone that has sexuallyharassed you?
No, I don't think so.
And so to use something likethat against a Black woman,
(32:54):
knowing that peoplehyper-sexualize me, knowing that
Black women are seen as sexualdeviants, even by those on the
left, when you stem from apredominantly white supremacist
space, that is, white leftistspaces, especially on the
internet, when you accuse aBlack woman of such a disgusting
(33:15):
and abhorrently violentbehavior towards you, people are
just going to believe it andthey don't care, despite the
fact that previously this was anunderstanding between the three
of us.
We would talk about it all thetime.
I made them so much goddamncash because of the jokes that I
(33:35):
would make and they would tellme to keep going If anything.
The man that abused me tried toweaponize the same thing
against me, and those two werethe ones who defend me against
him.
So I thought it was sodisgusting for him to pretend as
if a person like me, who he hasclaimed to have harmed him in
(33:56):
such a way he is now all of asudden happy to see gross.
So disgusting, and that's justthat.
Um, I also think.
Um, we have a, we haven't.
I'm sorry, I think I forgotyour question.
(34:16):
I hope I mentioned.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
It's totally fine, we're going everywhere I, and
it's triggering and I'm sorry ifI did trigger you from asking
that.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, no no, no, no, I'm not triggered, but it does
make me angry.
Yeah, because people treat meterribly.
I think it's disgusting whenyour supporters come up on my
live streams and call me slurs.
I think it's disgusting whentheir supporters come up on my
(34:49):
live streams and make fun of aman who held a gun to his head
in front of me, right, I mean.
So I think the spaces that theyharbor are inherently violent,
um, as well as the fact that, uh, I've always found it weird
that, specifically on debatetalk, that there is debate talk
and then there is black debatetalk.
That doesn't make any sense.
(35:10):
It doesn't make sense because,in terms of, like American
ideologies regardingprogressivism, they've always
been spearheaded by black andbrown bodies.
So I would just like to knowwhy is it that the top
spearheads of this leftistideology on the Internet are for
(35:34):
allegedly for not allegedly notmy word.
Yes, Cis hetero white men.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
I know why.
Why can't we have a trans guy?
Listen, I know how pussies work.
I can find the clit.
I mean listen, julie I thinkit's very obvious.
Yeah, shit, you want to see theepisode we just shot.
That was a little spicy Blossomand I we already had a moment.
Um, julie, I just first of allI want to say thank you for
(36:08):
having this conversation today.
I know it's not easy.
I know when I reached out toyou, you were even like there
was a lot of trepidation in theconversation and I really just
want to respect the fact thatyou have these conversations.
Especially as a survivor ofabuse, it's important to have
them as hard as they are,because you don't know who this
conversation might actually helpuplift by seeing your power,
(36:29):
especially as a black woman.
Blossom is my co-host and bestfriend and she deals with that
angry black woman tropeconstantly and it's so
disgusting and that's why Iwanted to bring you on today to
give you some flowers, tell youthat.
You know, keep doing yourtiktok debates, keep showing up
in the way that you are, keepyou know.
If there's a way I can supportyou, reach out to me, let me
(36:51):
know.
Um, even collabs, we can dotiktok dances together.
I don't give a shit.
Um, you know, I just want youto know, like, in terms of just
an impact you've made on me,there's been times where I've
had some rough days and I'vewatched your live and I can
laugh when I'm finding out fromthis administration that I'm
going to be eradicated.
(37:12):
But you said something funny.
I was like holy fuck, I canstill laugh.
So that's why, like it wasimportant for me to reach out to
you as much as I did.
I'm sorry if it was a little toomuch for you on the line, but I
was like a little thirsty, Iknow, but I was so excited to
meet you and give you more spacebecause I really felt, like the
way that you showed up to thetable with Ben, like you had a
(37:32):
lot to say and it didn't get.
It didn't get to be out in theway that it is and I hope that
people continue to follow youdidn't get to be out in the way
that it is and I hope thatpeople continue to follow you.
Please spell your username forfolks and give all that
information out so people knowwhere to find these debates on
TikTok Live, because it'simportant for people to really
support you, and I think it'simportant to have a black woman
as the head of leftist TikTokdebates too.
(37:53):
I mean, the intersectionalityof your experience is something
that even I can't draw from.
I don't know what it's like tofeel racism in that extent, and
it's an experience that needs tobe talked on, especially in
leftist spaces and especially asa black woman, because that
experience gets erased and, uh,misconstrued far too often.
So where the hell can peoplefind you?
(38:13):
What?
What's the news?
Where's the tea?
Where are you at, girl?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh, I'm a little bit of everywhere, uh, right now,
mainly, my main platform isobviously tiktok uh.
You can find me attashikababy2i is not a y lock in
um um, I'm also.
I also have two publications onsubstack uh, called uh, ain't I
a leftist?
And uh.
(38:37):
Another one going over thecurrent state of affairs in the
united states, called who askeduh, and on sub stack I am
julianne tashika.
Um uh.
And then should I give myinstagram?
Yes, come on.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Give the venmo listen .
I put venmo link in bio.
Send me a dollar two on live.
What the fuck I mean?
Thank you for the dollar.
You know who that's from.
Anyways, go on.
Sorry, I'm petty, my uh my ig,though, is bimistake.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't know how I can spell that I love that we'll
find you.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
We'll find you.
We'll get you linked below inthe video.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Thank you I won't make.
Um, I post.
I post funny memes and stuff onthere, because sometimes we
just need a break and then whatelse I don't know.
If you go on my sub stack, therest of my links are there.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
And make sure to subscribe as well.
Send her money.
Venmo Linkin Blossom.
Do you have any statements?
My reparations immediately.
Yes.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
Listen.
The only thing I have to say iskeep being so badass.
We need you in this movement.
I didn't even know about debateTikTok.
I need to get on there anddebate Girl.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
I've been telling you .
Speaker 3 (39:46):
I know I'm about to get my political.
I have two.
Speaker 2 (39:48):
TikToks.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
I love talking shit on there I have my tarot TikTok
and I have my political TikTok,oh you do tarot?
I do.
Tarot reader and an astrologer,yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
She can read you in more ways than one.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yes, girl, we gonna talk, we gonna connect.
Okay, I think that you are soamazing and you said a lot of
great things here, and I knowthat people are going to listen
and even if they don't listen,make them listen.
Keep being loud, keep beingheard, keep being seen.
They're going to always try touse our race and our gender
(40:22):
identities and gender expressionas a way to deter us from what
the goal actually is, but that'snot going to happen because of
voices like you, and so I loveyou dearly, shane loves you
dearly.
We're out of time, so, withthat being said, make sure you
hit the subscribe button downbelow, so that way you'll know
when me and Shane post newvideos, and remember to take a
little time to enjoy theTransparency Podcast Show.
(40:43):
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