April 7, 2025 • 16 mins
Diving into the realities of trans identity and the misleading narratives perpetuated by conservative commentators, we explore how gender identity develops and why arguments against trans existence lack scientific backing.
• Differences between cisgender men and transgender women based on gender identity development
• How conservative debaters conflate opportunistic criminals claiming trans identity with actual trans people
• Effects of anti-trans rhetoric on cisgender women who face "transvestigation" in public spaces
• Behind-the-scenes look at debates with conservative commentators Amala and Buck Angel
• Discussion of reputable scientific resources that support gender identity as a genuine experience
• Personal experiences facing discrimination and having words taken out of context
• Examination of how only 1% of the population identifies as transgender despite outsized attention
• Clarification that "trans" is simply an adjective describing a type of woman, not a threat to cisgender women
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh my gosh, I don't even fit the male gaze.
So they don't think that, likeI could even be assaulted.
They're just like, oh, that's adyke woman, like that's how
they see me.
And they're like who would wantto have sex with that?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
But like check my DMs , all right, so let's squeeze
this in really quickly y'all,because I got one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh no, we got plenty of time.
Make sure I today Don't worry,daddy's got you Do, we have time
.
Oh, we got hella time.
Listen, keep it going keep itflowing.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I like the conversation.
I'm like, oh my gosh, y'allhave to forgive me today because
I'm so anxious to do this.
I've been studying, practicing,because it's time to hear my
side of the story, yeah, solet's just play this last clip
from Miss Ekpunambi.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, I'm just, I'm just trying to correct you.
I would never interrupt a blackwoman.
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thank you.
I would never interrupt a blackwoman.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Think about me as a black woman.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That is your trademark.
I love it.
It is.
They hate it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It is harmful that you are going around here
spewing that rhetoric,weaponizing this rhetoric
against trans people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Weaponizing facts.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Transgenderism does not exist.
We, as trans people exist.
We are 1% of the population andthere is a lot of power in the
trans identity, because you aresitting here spewing something
to me that doesn't really exist.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm not spewing anything, I'm just stating facts
.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have lived experience.
You don't and you never will.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But I mean I would Okay, I mean I would Okay we
really got off the top.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, this is where we Did.
I push the same button again.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You might have pushed the same one by transgender
identifying individuals.
I think you're supposed to hitthree.
That's not true.
In fact it is.
Oh, it is three.
Okay, you are raping thesewomen.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Now you can go through a litany of stories of
transgender identifyingindividuals assaulting women,
women and young girls.
Jk Rowling has done extensivework on this topic.
You can check out her X-Feed ifyou want to find story after
story.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Fictional writer.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Different stories of transgender.
Identifying individuals,attacking women and men.
If you want to learn more aboutthis story, just right now by
going on Google, type in thename Hannah Tubbs and you'll
find a male who assaulted ayoung girl, a little girl
sexually assaulted.
That little girl went on toidentify as transgender.
(02:08):
Has the whole name changed toHannah, so we can substantiate
these claims.
Now Blossom is going to makethe argument that there are cis
men who are weaponizing thetrans identity in order to
assault women, and I in no waydeny that.
That is a fact, that there aremen who are trans.
The one thing we may actuallyagree on.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, look at that.
You actually One thing youconvinced her.
Look, she's changing Watch,she's going to be on the podcast
and we're all going to behugging once it's in the future,
the obvious difference betweena cis man and a transgender
woman.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Even Blair White.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She's going to come to the podcast too, watch, and
you can't give me a difference.
Let's pause it I do.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let's stop it here I go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's where I wanted to do that at.
Yeah, no.
So I actually can appreciateAmla for saying this.
You know there are manydifferences between trans women
and cisgender men.
One really has to do withgender identity and let's be
very clear Cis men do not have agender identity problem.
With trans women, there is anincongruency of some sort, and
(03:05):
so trans women depending on whatthat looks like transition off
of that.
Now, some trans womentransition physically, some just
do it emotionally, spiritually,mentally, like.
There are so many differentways of doing that and we have
to remember the transgendercommunity is on a spectrum.
There's so many differentthings and I find it crazy that
(03:30):
you would even ask me that,amala, when you're a debater
yourself and you can't even lookup that information.
There are so many reputableresources, which I'm actually
going to give you some thattalks about gender identity.
One reputable resource, in myhumble opinion, is the 2012 book
Introduction to BehavioralScience and Medicine that says
that, with exceptions, genderidentity develops surprisingly
(03:52):
rapidly in early childhood yearsand, in the majority of
instances, appear to become atleast partially irreversible by
the age of three and four.
So even the National PublicInstitute of Health talks about
gender identity, and so there'sa lot of reputable resources for
gender identity, and I thinkwhat you try to do is you want
(04:12):
to try to look at things from apractical point of view.
All y'all want to talk about isbiological sex, but let's also
talk about the women, because Ithink in your, because we didn't
watch the whole video and Ikind of wish we did.
I love you to death, because Ithink in your, because we didn't
watch the whole video and Ikind of wish we did I love you
to death.
But Amala talked about when youwere doing this part or whatnot
.
They were talking about MichaelNgo saying oh, you can tell a
(04:33):
trans woman when you see one?
Absolutely not.
That's not necessarily true,because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's why Ben Shapiro said bro.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And here's the thing Some cis women, like Amala, can
experience transphobia the sameway we can, because when we talk
about genetics I've talkedabout this on Pierce Morgan
Everybody act like they don'twant to hear me.
There are some cis women whonaturally have higher
testosterone levels, like her,who had to experience that
transphobia, and we're seeingvideos of cis women being
(05:01):
accused of being trans in thebathroom, transvestigated of cis
women being accused of beingtrans in the bathroom.
Transvestite and harassedbecause of what amala and
michael knows, and blair whitepushing on the internet on the
internet.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
In our, in our humble opinion, like cis, women are
being highly affected by thatyeah and followed by men
security, like following theminto the women's conversations
are cumulative, and that's thething that these folks don't
quite understand is that they'recreating the narrative on the
internet and it's like we, as ahuman society conversations are
(05:34):
100 cumulative.
So if we're all having thisconversation and there's a bunch
of people, that are creatingthis narrative of course it's
going to start creating thisidea.
It it's like I see a red car.
You're going to start alwaysseeing a red car if you're
always looking for a red car.
It's that whole theory and it'slike you're perpetuating that
to then create a narrative abouttrans people while you're.
(05:56):
The percentage of trans peopleto even exist is still 1%.
Meanwhile, you have an entirehuge system set up for all of
these other people to causeabuse and you're just silent on
it.
And, if anything, you find waysto co-sign it in ways and be
like oh again, not so bad, notso hard, or I can see how that
happened, or this, that and theother, but you don't have that
grace for trans people.
(06:17):
Check out the loophole.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm going to tell you what Amala and them are doing.
They're trying to take transpeople who don't transition
physically but more socially,mentally and other things, and
trying to stick cis men rapingpeople and all of a sudden
identifying as trans afterwardsinto that and trying to make a
talking point.
I've heard it with MichaelKnowles, I've heard it with
Blair and I'm like okay, so I'mcatching the loopholes now I'm
(06:42):
catching what y'all are tryingto do and that's not okay.
A lot of these cis men aredoing it just because they're
despicable and disgusting, butit's not coming from trans women
.
Trans women are an identity andthis whole thing around
transgenderism being an ideologyhow are we an ideology when
we're sitting right here infront of you?
That makes no sense and michaeland amala are too dumb in my
opinion to see it my debate too.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was trying to yes, you were like hello, like I have
lived experience.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm sitting in front of you as a trans woman.
I have that experience.
You cannot sit here and tell methat it's just an ideology, and
if you plan on removing thatideology out of the woman, what
happens to the woman?
Yeah, what does he think?
And here's the thing amala andmichael you're just going to
disappear they play off.
They play off of trans issues.
They play off of making contentand debates on trans issues,
(07:29):
issues that they don't evenexist, I'm sorry, issues that
they don't even live.
They do not live theseexperiences and amala griffs of
trans issues all the time.
And I'm and I'm going to checkyou because we need to really
talk about this whole thing,with me appearing on the podcast
with Buck Angel.
This is the part I've neveraddressed in two years.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Now, as y'all know, Get the tea.
It's hot, let's get ready, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So my first Jubilee debate was called Trans Women
Versus Conservative Women.
That's where I met Amala andI've met other people there, and
so a lot was edited out, but meand Amala were the ones going
back and forth, like I have toadmit, like in that debate I
thought she was really good.
You know what I mean.
To keep up with me.
I thought we were just havingyeah, we were sparring pretty
well, and she worked at thisparticular platform, which we
(08:15):
will not name or whatnot, and so, cause I didn't know who she
was, and so in in that video Iasked do you have any resources?
Cause she was talking aboutbone density and she tried to
reverse the question back to me.
She was like do you know the um, the amount of bone density?
Dah, dah, dah, dah dah.
And I was just like no, I don't, cause I'm not going to listen
to that, cause it's not real.
(08:36):
And it's not true because youjust everybody has bought
different body chemistry.
I know a hundred percent andyou don't know somebody's
chromosomal account, somebody'sbone density level, the size of
somebody's heart and lungs.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, my feet are bigger than blossoms.
I have a size 14 in men's andshe's like damn.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But conservatives play off of that talking point
and they've tried to make itinto something, and so that was
that.
Now Amala, at the end of thatepisode, asked me verbally if I
would come on her podcast withother trans women.
I thought it was okay becausewe had just debated with other
trans women, and I want y'all tounderstand something this was
my first debate.
That debate that we're talkingabout was my first debate.
(09:14):
Technically, this was my seconddebate, but I don't include
this in my accounts of debatesand so I came there, and so I
was like, let me just be open,honest.
We had a good conversation onset.
Me and the ladies got along whynot?
So a couple of days before,amala sends me a text message
saying that Buck was going to beon there Now for me, I got
(09:39):
upset because I was just likethese aren't the trans women
that you verbally told me.
However, this is what she keepsvillainizing me for and
criminalizing me for.
I did say OK, I'm still goingto come, even though it was not
originally what she said, andyou have to remember I'm a new
debater.
At this time, I wanted to bekind, I wanted to be nice.
(10:01):
I said okay, but that stilldoes not take away from the fact
that you told me verbally thatit was going to be other women,
trans women, on your podcast andamala.
You know, you said it, you saidit verbally to me.
So while you're lying to yourbase, won't you actually tell
them the truth?
It does not take away the textmessage about Buck, does not
(10:23):
take away from what you told meverbally about it.
So we get to the podcast andwe're I was greeted.
Okay, she was bootlicking theBuck Angel.
They were worshiping Buck Angellike nobody's business.
But that was my first timemeeting him and, ironically, me
and Buck were great on set.
We did not argue.
(10:44):
It wasn't no snootiness orwhatever.
So for us to kind of be mortalenemies after it is what it is,
because he's two-faced.
He's very two-faced.
What did he do?
Oh gosh, is what it is, becausehe's two-faced, he's very
two-faced.
What did he do?
Uh, oh gosh.
So it was funny, because Ididn't catch this to like this
uh, the debate with blair, thatwe did so when we were on set.
(11:04):
Um, I did remind him that hecalled a black trans woman a
monkey yeah, ashley mary preston, yeah, yeah, um, and so I
didn't mention the name there,but he pretty much got canceled
after that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But he got so canceled.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He's like what?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
that is a lie that he came to a protest and
everybody's like why the hellare you here?
And he.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They made him leave because they were yeah it was
bad yeah, so he, he's likein-person community, not online
like real life yeah, he's acompulsive liar and being there
with on that set with amala.
It's funny because amala madethis slick comment about um, her
producer being there by thecomputer in case she needed to
look up anything, because it wasa jab at me for telling her
(11:47):
where are your sources for whatyou're saying?
Because I wanted to look upthese sources.
Like I'm a debater, I'm aresearcher.
If you're gonna spew statisticsand spew things to me, you
should be able to tell me whereyou're getting it from.
Amla never does that, buckAngel never does that, nor Blair
White does that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Jubilee doesn't even do it Realize.
We don't know until it'sproduced.
I need to know.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's how I found out that Michael Knowles was
spewing bullshit to me in adebate, and so we debated.
That was that.
I am still entitled to mypersonal experience and my
personal feelings.
Now, the fact that Amla doesnot like that and calls it lying
, that's on her, and you know, Iwant to say something else to
(12:27):
Amla and I'm going to wrap thisup.
I'm going to truly wrap this up.
No, feel free, because she'sbeen coming for you for a few
months, yeah because here's thething she was on Piers Morgan
morgan um a while ago and theywere talking about dei um.
I think she was on her withmark lamont and everything or
whatever, and amala was talkingabout dei needs to die.
Well, amala, check this, clapback.
Weren't you the dei higher at acertain platform?
(12:50):
Before they candace owens yourass, damn before they candace
owens you out.
And now you're at home makingvideos damn making your content
from videos because you had aproducer there, the white guy.
Where is he?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
wait, and it's a verb now yeah, they can.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This owns you there because they wanted to remind
you.
You are still in fear.
You are deemed inferior as ablack person.
Sometimes she's identified as amixed person, other times she's
, in that um, identified as ablack person and she's entitled
to that, yeah.
But here's the thing, and wetalk so much about um, who was
assigned what at birth.
(13:26):
Just like amla cannot help thatshe has a black father and a
white mother.
That's assigned to her.
Trans people cannot help whatthey were assigned with before,
the incongruency.
And so this whole thing aboutbiology, biology, biology.
Again, y'all don't want to talkabout genetics, like y'all.
Y'all don't want to do any ofthese things.
(13:47):
But and let me also make thisclear she also said this, I
think, about all of us.
She said no matter how muchhormones you take, the surgeries
you have, you will never be awoman.
Let me check you on that.
Let me make it very clear theamount of hormones and amount
that I do to my body totransition is not a threat to
cis women and it's none of yourdamn business.
(14:07):
I am not out here trying to bea threat to cis women because I
want to live my life intransition.
I am not out here trying totake up anything from anybody.
I'm not trying to take up spacefrom anyone.
Cis women deserve a seat at thetable as well as trans women.
Trans women are a type of women.
Trans is adjective okay, transis an adjective and it describes
(14:28):
the type of woman that it is,and so this whole ideology that
y'all are trying to spew iscrazy to me.
All I saw online in your videowas jealousy.
I saw a lot of projection and Ifeel like you feel threatened
by trans women, and that's noton us, that falls on you.
(14:48):
I think those braids you had inyour hair are screwed in a
little too tight to your brain.
To be quite honest with you andI say that with love and
respect I'm you and I say thatwith love and respect.
I'm gonna actually say thatwith love and respect here,
because the thing is, you nevertalk about anything else.
All you want to do is grift totrans issues.
You will never be a trans woman.
You will never, ever in yourentire life, be a trans woman or
(15:12):
experience what we face.
You are in a place of privilege.
You are so lucky as a cis womanthat you don't have to go
through the harassment and thediscrimination and the violence
that we, as trans people, gothrough.
It doesn't matter if you're atrans man or a trans woman or a
non-binary person.
You are in a place of privilegewhere you can sit behind your
little funky camera and saythese things about trans people.
(15:33):
But the reality of it is Icleared you in the first debate.
I annihilated you and destroyedyou in the first debate in my
humble opinion, and you've neverbeen able to get over it.
But after this, I'm done withyou.
I pay you to dust Dust and Iwant you to know that you
Oh my gosh, I don't even fit the male gaze.
So they don't think that, likeI could even be assaulted.
They're just like, oh, that's adyke woman, like that's how
they see me.
And they're like who would wantto have sex with that?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
But like check my DMs , all right, so let's squeeze
this in really quickly y'all,because I got one more thing.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh no, we got plenty of time.
Make sure I today Don't worry,daddy's got you Do, we have time
.
Oh, we got hella time.
Listen, keep it going keep itflowing.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
I like the conversation.
I'm like, oh my gosh, y'allhave to forgive me today because
I'm so anxious to do this.
I've been studying, practicing,because it's time to hear my
side of the story, yeah, solet's just play this last clip
from Miss Ekpunambi.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Oh, I'm just, I'm just trying to correct you.
I would never interrupt a blackwoman.
No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Thank you.
I would never interrupt a blackwoman.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Think about me as a black woman.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
That is your trademark.
I love it.
It is.
They hate it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
It is harmful that you are going around here
spewing that rhetoric,weaponizing this rhetoric
against trans people.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Weaponizing facts.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Transgenderism does not exist.
We, as trans people exist.
We are 1% of the population andthere is a lot of power in the
trans identity, because you aresitting here spewing something
to me that doesn't really exist.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm not spewing anything, I'm just stating facts
.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I have lived experience.
You don't and you never will.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But I mean I would Okay, I mean I would Okay we
really got off the top.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, this is where we Did.
I push the same button again.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
You might have pushed the same one by transgender
identifying individuals.
I think you're supposed to hitthree.
That's not true.
In fact it is.
Oh, it is three.
Okay, you are raping thesewomen.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Now you can go through a litany of stories of
transgender identifyingindividuals assaulting women,
women and young girls.
Jk Rowling has done extensivework on this topic.
You can check out her X-Feed ifyou want to find story after
story.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Fictional writer.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Different stories of transgender.
Identifying individuals,attacking women and men.
If you want to learn more aboutthis story, just right now by
going on Google, type in thename Hannah Tubbs and you'll
find a male who assaulted ayoung girl, a little girl
sexually assaulted.
That little girl went on toidentify as transgender.
(02:08):
Has the whole name changed toHannah, so we can substantiate
these claims.
Now Blossom is going to makethe argument that there are cis
men who are weaponizing thetrans identity in order to
assault women, and I in no waydeny that.
That is a fact, that there aremen who are trans.
The one thing we may actuallyagree on.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Oh, look at that.
You actually One thing youconvinced her.
Look, she's changing Watch,she's going to be on the podcast
and we're all going to behugging once it's in the future,
the obvious difference betweena cis man and a transgender
woman.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Even Blair White.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
She's going to come to the podcast too, watch, and
you can't give me a difference.
Let's pause it I do.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Let's stop it here I go.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's where I wanted to do that at.
Yeah, no.
So I actually can appreciateAmla for saying this.
You know there are manydifferences between trans women
and cisgender men.
One really has to do withgender identity and let's be
very clear Cis men do not have agender identity problem.
With trans women, there is anincongruency of some sort, and
(03:05):
so trans women depending on whatthat looks like transition off
of that.
Now, some trans womentransition physically, some just
do it emotionally, spiritually,mentally, like.
There are so many differentways of doing that and we have
to remember the transgendercommunity is on a spectrum.
There's so many differentthings and I find it crazy that
(03:30):
you would even ask me that,amala, when you're a debater
yourself and you can't even lookup that information.
There are so many reputableresources, which I'm actually
going to give you some thattalks about gender identity.
One reputable resource, in myhumble opinion, is the 2012 book
Introduction to BehavioralScience and Medicine that says
that, with exceptions, genderidentity develops surprisingly
(03:52):
rapidly in early childhood yearsand, in the majority of
instances, appear to become atleast partially irreversible by
the age of three and four.
So even the National PublicInstitute of Health talks about
gender identity, and so there'sa lot of reputable resources for
gender identity, and I thinkwhat you try to do is you want
(04:12):
to try to look at things from apractical point of view.
All y'all want to talk about isbiological sex, but let's also
talk about the women, because Ithink in your, because we didn't
watch the whole video and Ikind of wish we did.
I love you to death, because Ithink in your, because we didn't
watch the whole video and Ikind of wish we did I love you
to death.
But Amala talked about when youwere doing this part or whatnot
.
They were talking about MichaelNgo saying oh, you can tell a
(04:33):
trans woman when you see one?
Absolutely not.
That's not necessarily true,because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
That's why Ben Shapiro said bro.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
And here's the thing Some cis women, like Amala, can
experience transphobia the sameway we can, because when we talk
about genetics I've talkedabout this on Pierce Morgan
Everybody act like they don'twant to hear me.
There are some cis women whonaturally have higher
testosterone levels, like her,who had to experience that
transphobia, and we're seeingvideos of cis women being
(05:01):
accused of being trans in thebathroom, transvestigated of cis
women being accused of beingtrans in the bathroom.
Transvestite and harassedbecause of what amala and
michael knows, and blair whitepushing on the internet on the
internet.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
In our, in our humble opinion, like cis, women are
being highly affected by thatyeah and followed by men
security, like following theminto the women's conversations
are cumulative, and that's thething that these folks don't
quite understand is that they'recreating the narrative on the
internet and it's like we, as ahuman society conversations are
(05:34):
100 cumulative.
So if we're all having thisconversation and there's a bunch
of people, that are creatingthis narrative of course it's
going to start creating thisidea.
It it's like I see a red car.
You're going to start alwaysseeing a red car if you're
always looking for a red car.
It's that whole theory and it'slike you're perpetuating that
to then create a narrative abouttrans people while you're.
(05:56):
The percentage of trans peopleto even exist is still 1%.
Meanwhile, you have an entirehuge system set up for all of
these other people to causeabuse and you're just silent on
it.
And, if anything, you find waysto co-sign it in ways and be
like oh again, not so bad, notso hard, or I can see how that
happened, or this, that and theother, but you don't have that
grace for trans people.
(06:17):
Check out the loophole.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
I'm going to tell you what Amala and them are doing.
They're trying to take transpeople who don't transition
physically but more socially,mentally and other things, and
trying to stick cis men rapingpeople and all of a sudden
identifying as trans afterwardsinto that and trying to make a
talking point.
I've heard it with MichaelKnowles, I've heard it with
Blair and I'm like okay, so I'mcatching the loopholes now I'm
(06:42):
catching what y'all are tryingto do and that's not okay.
A lot of these cis men aredoing it just because they're
despicable and disgusting, butit's not coming from trans women
.
Trans women are an identity andthis whole thing around
transgenderism being an ideologyhow are we an ideology when
we're sitting right here infront of you?
That makes no sense and michaeland amala are too dumb in my
opinion to see it my debate too.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I was trying to yes, you were like hello, like I have
lived experience.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I'm sitting in front of you as a trans woman.
I have that experience.
You cannot sit here and tell methat it's just an ideology, and
if you plan on removing thatideology out of the woman, what
happens to the woman?
Yeah, what does he think?
And here's the thing amala andmichael you're just going to
disappear they play off.
They play off of trans issues.
They play off of making contentand debates on trans issues,
(07:29):
issues that they don't evenexist, I'm sorry, issues that
they don't even live.
They do not live theseexperiences and amala griffs of
trans issues all the time.
And I'm and I'm going to checkyou because we need to really
talk about this whole thing,with me appearing on the podcast
with Buck Angel.
This is the part I've neveraddressed in two years.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Now, as y'all know, Get the tea.
It's hot, let's get ready, yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
So my first Jubilee debate was called Trans Women
Versus Conservative Women.
That's where I met Amala andI've met other people there, and
so a lot was edited out, but meand Amala were the ones going
back and forth, like I have toadmit, like in that debate I
thought she was really good.
You know what I mean.
To keep up with me.
I thought we were just havingyeah, we were sparring pretty
well, and she worked at thisparticular platform, which we
(08:15):
will not name or whatnot, and so, cause I didn't know who she
was, and so in in that video Iasked do you have any resources?
Cause she was talking aboutbone density and she tried to
reverse the question back to me.
She was like do you know the um, the amount of bone density?
Dah, dah, dah, dah dah.
And I was just like no, I don't, cause I'm not going to listen
to that, cause it's not real.
(08:36):
And it's not true because youjust everybody has bought
different body chemistry.
I know a hundred percent andyou don't know somebody's
chromosomal account, somebody'sbone density level, the size of
somebody's heart and lungs.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Yeah, my feet are bigger than blossoms.
I have a size 14 in men's andshe's like damn.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
But conservatives play off of that talking point
and they've tried to make itinto something, and so that was
that.
Now Amala, at the end of thatepisode, asked me verbally if I
would come on her podcast withother trans women.
I thought it was okay becausewe had just debated with other
trans women, and I want y'all tounderstand something this was
my first debate.
That debate that we're talkingabout was my first debate.
(09:14):
Technically, this was my seconddebate, but I don't include
this in my accounts of debatesand so I came there, and so I
was like, let me just be open,honest.
We had a good conversation onset.
Me and the ladies got along whynot?
So a couple of days before,amala sends me a text message
saying that Buck was going to beon there Now for me, I got
(09:39):
upset because I was just likethese aren't the trans women
that you verbally told me.
However, this is what she keepsvillainizing me for and
criminalizing me for.
I did say OK, I'm still goingto come, even though it was not
originally what she said, andyou have to remember I'm a new
debater.
At this time, I wanted to bekind, I wanted to be nice.
(10:01):
I said okay, but that stilldoes not take away from the fact
that you told me verbally thatit was going to be other women,
trans women, on your podcast andamala.
You know, you said it, you saidit verbally to me.
So while you're lying to yourbase, won't you actually tell
them the truth?
It does not take away the textmessage about Buck, does not
(10:23):
take away from what you told meverbally about it.
So we get to the podcast andwe're I was greeted.
Okay, she was bootlicking theBuck Angel.
They were worshiping Buck Angellike nobody's business.
But that was my first timemeeting him and, ironically, me
and Buck were great on set.
We did not argue.
(10:44):
It wasn't no snootiness orwhatever.
So for us to kind of be mortalenemies after it is what it is,
because he's two-faced.
He's very two-faced.
What did he do?
Oh gosh, is what it is, becausehe's two-faced, he's very
two-faced.
What did he do?
Uh, oh gosh.
So it was funny, because Ididn't catch this to like this
uh, the debate with blair, thatwe did so when we were on set.
(11:04):
Um, I did remind him that hecalled a black trans woman a
monkey yeah, ashley mary preston, yeah, yeah, um, and so I
didn't mention the name there,but he pretty much got canceled
after that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
But he got so canceled.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
He's like what?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
that is a lie that he came to a protest and
everybody's like why the hellare you here?
And he.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
They made him leave because they were yeah it was
bad yeah, so he, he's likein-person community, not online
like real life yeah, he's acompulsive liar and being there
with on that set with amala.
It's funny because amala madethis slick comment about um, her
producer being there by thecomputer in case she needed to
look up anything, because it wasa jab at me for telling her
(11:47):
where are your sources for whatyou're saying?
Because I wanted to look upthese sources.
Like I'm a debater, I'm aresearcher.
If you're gonna spew statisticsand spew things to me, you
should be able to tell me whereyou're getting it from.
Amla never does that, buckAngel never does that, nor Blair
White does that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Jubilee doesn't even do it Realize.
We don't know until it'sproduced.
I need to know.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That's how I found out that Michael Knowles was
spewing bullshit to me in adebate, and so we debated.
That was that.
I am still entitled to mypersonal experience and my
personal feelings.
Now, the fact that Amla doesnot like that and calls it lying
, that's on her, and you know, Iwant to say something else to
(12:27):
Amla and I'm going to wrap thisup.
I'm going to truly wrap this up.
No, feel free, because she'sbeen coming for you for a few
months, yeah because here's thething she was on Piers Morgan
morgan um a while ago and theywere talking about dei um.
I think she was on her withmark lamont and everything or
whatever, and amala was talkingabout dei needs to die.
Well, amala, check this, clapback.
Weren't you the dei higher at acertain platform?
(12:50):
Before they candace owens yourass, damn before they candace
owens you out.
And now you're at home makingvideos damn making your content
from videos because you had aproducer there, the white guy.
Where is he?
Speaker 1 (13:02):
wait, and it's a verb now yeah, they can.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
This owns you there because they wanted to remind
you.
You are still in fear.
You are deemed inferior as ablack person.
Sometimes she's identified as amixed person, other times she's
, in that um, identified as ablack person and she's entitled
to that, yeah.
But here's the thing, and wetalk so much about um, who was
assigned what at birth.
(13:26):
Just like amla cannot help thatshe has a black father and a
white mother.
That's assigned to her.
Trans people cannot help whatthey were assigned with before,
the incongruency.
And so this whole thing aboutbiology, biology, biology.
Again, y'all don't want to talkabout genetics, like y'all.
Y'all don't want to do any ofthese things.
(13:47):
But and let me also make thisclear she also said this, I
think, about all of us.
She said no matter how muchhormones you take, the surgeries
you have, you will never be awoman.
Let me check you on that.
Let me make it very clear theamount of hormones and amount
that I do to my body totransition is not a threat to
cis women and it's none of yourdamn business.
(14:07):
I am not out here trying to bea threat to cis women because I
want to live my life intransition.
I am not out here trying totake up anything from anybody.
I'm not trying to take up spacefrom anyone.
Cis women deserve a seat at thetable as well as trans women.
Trans women are a type of women.
Trans is adjective okay, transis an adjective and it describes
(14:28):
the type of woman that it is,and so this whole ideology that
y'all are trying to spew iscrazy to me.
All I saw online in your videowas jealousy.
I saw a lot of projection and Ifeel like you feel threatened
by trans women, and that's noton us, that falls on you.
(14:48):
I think those braids you had inyour hair are screwed in a
little too tight to your brain.
To be quite honest with you andI say that with love and
respect I'm you and I say thatwith love and respect.
I'm gonna actually say thatwith love and respect here,
because the thing is, you nevertalk about anything else.
All you want to do is grift totrans issues.
You will never be a trans woman.
You will never, ever in yourentire life, be a trans woman or
(15:12):
experience what we face.
You are in a place of privilege.
You are so lucky as a cis womanthat you don't have to go
through the harassment and thediscrimination and the violence
that we, as trans people, gothrough.
It doesn't matter if you're atrans man or a trans woman or a
non-binary person.
You are in a place of privilegewhere you can sit behind your
little funky camera and saythese things about trans people.
(15:33):
But the reality of it is Icleared you in the first debate.
I annihilated you and destroyedyou in the first debate in my
humble opinion, and you've neverbeen able to get over it.
But after this, I'm done withyou.
I pay you to dust Dust and Iwant you to know that you
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