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Liam (00:01):
Welcome, everyone, to
another episode of the Trash
Manage podcast, uh, we'responsored by Dragon Shield, we
have a five star review, um, is
Abaan (00:10):
We'll read
Liam (00:11):
there anything else you'd
like to say for the intro?
Abaan (00:13):
I mean, like, I guess you
did just get the meat and
potatoes without, like, anyfiller.
So now we're
Liam (00:19):
Alright.
Abaan (00:20):
here.
Liam (00:20):
Looks like I did that.
Um, yeah, this is the, uh, theweek in between Birmingham and
San Antonio, so we'll talk aboutjust that.
I was at Birmingham thisweekend.
Um, I'm doing all the EU eventsbecause I'm in London for the
semester.
I played, uh, Archelodon,Dialga, Pidgeot.
Um, it was like a good deck,but,
Henry (00:41):
But
Liam (00:41):
you know, things just,
like, went my way on day two.
Henry (00:45):
it's all good.
Liam (00:47):
I got what?
I got farmed by some Europeanpeople.
Henry (00:48):
got a little unlucky
against these mighty European
players, no worries.
Yeah.
Liam (00:53):
Uh, yeah, I mean, that's
like some, yeah, I guess that's
some advice I would give to,like, any NA players who are,
like, trying, going to try theirluck in the EU circuit, bro.
Like, they, uh, they really gofor the throat over there, bro.
Like, there's some, I, pretty, Ihad, like, I had four losses
throughout the weekend, bro.
I lost two, and, like, three ofthem, it was just, like,
(01:14):
ridiculous turn twos, like, overand over and over on me.
And then the, uh, the other onewas to like a pure thorns, which
is just like a, a full autoloss.
Um, but like, yeah, man, the,the, like, the turn twos that I
was seeing, bro, like, I'venever seen an na player do
something like that before.
So just like, you know, be readyfor, for some, some crazy
aggression, I guess, in you,bro.
Henry (01:34):
So it's a little bit of a
lower skill format, because
you're just getting murdered onturn two.
sort of how the E
Liam (01:39):
I mean,
Henry (01:39):
is what you're getting
Liam (01:40):
I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't
say, I wouldn't say like
overkill necessarily, but Iwould say it's definitely like a
really, it is a really powerfulformat, right, where we're,
we're bumping up on rotationright now.
These decks are really just liketruly insane and like every now
and then they, you know, theycan do some like completely
disgusting stuff to you, right?
Henry (01:57):
Fair enough, fair enough.
Particularly this DragapultDuster
Abaan (02:00):
completely.
Liam (02:02):
Yeah, I mean, it's not
ridiculous to say that.
Yeah, that was uh, that was myBirmingham.
Um, the Birmingham for otherpeople was Interesting, I think.
There was a Charizard, Pokestop,that one.
Seems alright.
Yeah, uh, yeah,
Henry (02:22):
Let's not get it twisted
here.
Liam (02:25):
exactly.
The def function is literallythe exact same.
But do you think it functionslike 0.
1 percent better or worse withthis Pokestop inclusion?
Henry (02:34):
I mean, the Pokestop has
really good synergy with the
Pidgeot, right?
This is something that you areaware of.
Liam (02:40):
Sure.
Abaan (02:41):
I mean, maybe.
Henry (02:42):
deb,
Abaan (02:43):
I, I, I missed the
collapse though.
Like, it's not like you're justlike getting this guy for free,
but like, I'm playing the deckand I'm like, damn,
Henry (02:49):
the other
Abaan (02:49):
I wish this was a
collapse.
I'm
Henry (02:50):
I don't even know if the
other people play The Collapse
these days.
They're all in like, randomother
Abaan (02:53):
looking at the other
side, Liz.
Henry (02:55):
placement, wait, I didn't
even notice this.
The 11th place was playing GrandPrix, and Jamming Tower.
Abaan (03:00):
And then the next guy was
playing Headquarters.
Henry (03:03):
Yeah, yeah, see, Collapse
is a thing of the past.
Abaan (03:05):
yeah, I guarantee you
Pokestop is better than
Headquarters.
In the deck.
Henry (03:11):
what is it, is there
anything in particular the
headquarters is for?
Yeah, I don't really understand.
Is this to solidify that
Liam (03:17):
I don't know.
Henry (03:17):
Fair enough, fair
Abaan (03:18):
Maybe it's like the logic
is against like, um, Drago.
Liam (03:22):
Yeah.
Abaan (03:22):
Teal Mask knock you out
easily.
As easily.
Liam (03:25):
Yeah, you stretch them for
like one more piece.
Henry (03:27):
okay, okay.
A half heroes cape?
Sure, sure,
Liam (03:30):
I don't know.
Henry (03:31):
see that.
Abaan (03:31):
But
Liam (03:32):
see.
Abaan (03:32):
that's just like a,
that's just horrible reasoning.
Like, I, like, there's like tenreasons why that's not good.
Liam (03:37):
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, it seems like, it's likemaybe a solid surprise, but
like, I, I, if they know thatit's in your deck, bro, I don't
know, I don't know how that everworks against, like, a solid
Drago player.
And then it still, like,sometimes doesn't work, right?
Because they just, like, theyjust have too many resources,
right?
Abaan (03:51):
They have like way too
many other alternative methods,
right, of like, getting you.
Henry (03:55):
Yeah, I mean, I don't
think these
Abaan (03:56):
But like, that's my
conclusion.
Henry (03:57):
are winning in EU even,
like, hit any Drago's, bro.
Like, I think they just dodgedDrago's the entire day because
it was only 13%.
Abaan (04:06):
I want to talk about
Braggingham
Liam (04:07):
I wouldn't say that.
Like, I think you candefinitely, you can definitely
beat Drago with Charizard.
You just need a ridiculousstrength, too.
Henry (04:12):
Oh, you just need a raid
against Ceren too?
Okay, okay, like a CandyPidgeot,
Liam (04:16):
Bro,
Henry (04:17):
Charizard, Duskclops,
Liam (04:17):
um, yeah bro, I, like,
after seeing what some of these
JGOs are like, pretty much whatthese EU players were doing with
their decks, bro, like, I don'teven think it's like, I mean,
maybe I underestimate thesedecks, they have, like, stronger
turn 2 potential than I thought,bro.
Henry (04:32):
Nah, bro, I play against
this Charizard deck on ladder
all the time.
This deck sucks.
This deck never does that.
They do always find CandyPidgeot candies hard, but like,
to that, bro?
No way.
Liam (04:45):
I don't know, bro, once I
get the Candy Pidgeot, Candy
Zara, it's like, I guess he hasone more piece, I'm, like, kind
of zatched here.
Ehh, just one more.
Abaan (04:54):
Dude, I don't know, I saw
the, um, like, I'm sorry, just
to like, go back to Birminghamresults, highest listing
Gardevoir, Max Roberts, goodfriend of the pod, Baby Rattle,
Liam (05:04):
Baby Ra ooh! all for
joining us today, and I look
forward to seeing you all at thenext
Abaan (05:33):
Where's the 4 slots?
Henry (05:35):
Nest Ball, 2, well,
Abaan (05:35):
Oh.
Henry (05:35):
play as a second Artisan,
I don't even think you have to
play as a second Artisan.
Abaan (05:38):
I was gonna say, the
second artisan doesn't give you
a spot back, I was like makingsure you realize that, but like,
I don't know, my issue with itthough, is that like, yeah, you
get the four slots back, but Idon't even want to like, trolley
for like, all my Pokemon insidethe game.
I guess the idea is that youdon't really have to, you can
get four and you have theartisan for whatever like, the
last spot is.
Henry (05:54):
so, like, I agree,
Abaan (05:55):
I don't know, when I
watched him play on ladder, he
always got five.
I thought that was terrible.
I was like, you're just like,ruining what makes Gardevoir
lit.
Henry (06:02):
Yeah, I mean, like, Like,
I know some people think that
Trolley's good to, like, get themonkeys, like, I don't think you
have, like, an issue getting themonkey, I think it's literally,
it's just the deck space.
Like, the deck space is, like,so, like, getting the monkeys
ahead of time doesn't actuallyadvance your game plan that
much, just, like, having the wayto get the monkey, and then,
like, you know, attaching theDark Slayer or whatever, and,
like, being able to cut allthese nest balls and shit,
that's pretty good.
Abaan (06:22):
Like, trolley
functionally is just grab three
rolls and a monkey, and that'slike, that's what the card does,
right?
Like, It's not,
Henry (06:29):
Yeah, it doesn't do
Abaan (06:30):
it's not that much better
than Hoffman, right?
It's just like,
Henry (06:32):
think it makes your,
that's what I'm saying, like, I
don't think it makes your startsactually that much better, but
it is still buying you deckspace, for sure, just because of
Abaan (06:40):
sure.
Henry (06:40):
works, and like, that in
and of itself is, like,
incredibly valuable to guardfor.
Abaan (06:45):
But how good are some of
these cards he added?
He added like, third vessel.
Henry (06:48):
don't,
Abaan (06:49):
Is that like, really
like,
Henry (06:50):
I think if I were to
build a trolley build, which, I
think it's too late to build atrolley build for San Antonio, I
would not play the same, like,power cards that he plays, like
the Moonlit Hill
Abaan (06:57):
yeah, yeah, he like, he
has the Crest, Moonglow, and
Flutter, like the anti synergyis just like, crazy, right?
Like, I don't know.
Henry (07:02):
I definitely would have
some other ideas for what to put
in here.
He also has a D.
Va, even, in the stack.
Abaan (07:06):
No, I was about to say,
the D.
Va's like, egregious.
I hate the D.
Va.
Henry (07:10):
but
Abaan (07:10):
No, like, I hate her.
Henry (07:11):
looking at this list,
it's just like, he's got 4
Arvan, 4 Iona, the Tatsu, he'sgot the Devo, he's got a third
Vessel, you know, like, he's gotall these good cards, and like,
maybe some bad cards, but like,all of this comes just like,
getting a billion extra slotsfrom putting Trolley in, and
like, I don't know, that'spretty good.
Abaan (07:30):
Yeah, yeah, I think the,
the, my issue though is like,
obviously, Gardevoir's A specsare just broken, like, I wanna
play Hyper Roma, I wanna playlike, Seeker Boss, I wanna play
like, Trolley, I wanna playStamp, like, don't know, I just
feel like, the space is good,but like, the Seeker Boss power
is like, and Hyper Roma, they'relike, they're just more powerful
than having extra space, youknow?
But
Henry (07:49):
I'm
Abaan (07:50):
I don't know,
Henry (07:50):
I
Abaan (07:51):
maybe that's the problem.
Henry (07:51):
the Trolley, I kinda wish
I tried the
Abaan (07:53):
You have to choose
second, yeah?
With the Trolley?
like, have to, right?
Like, there's no other
Henry (07:58):
I mean, you could, I
mean, yeah, I think you would
obviously blind second, butlike, with the Tatu going first,
it's like, not the worst thing.
Tatu plus three vessel meansthat you're sort of open, if you
go first, you're like, prettylikely to get into this Tatu.
Liam (08:10):
Don't you have issues like
finding the, I mean I guess if
you're playing like secondartisan or something, but like,
Henry (08:16):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I bet
there's like, some hands are
even like, ultra
Liam (08:20):
I don't know, yeah I don't
think it's that bad, like you
still do have like solid numberof outs, and like play the Arven
on turn two or whatever, likeit's like fine, but,
Henry (08:29):
the conventional wisdom
would be to play like, the Call
Bell strat over the Tatu Youdon't want to use the whole idea
is to cut Pokemon search, right?
But like, the call bill is sobad, I kind of like this idea of
just and playing like a, a semistandard list, but just shoving
the trolley in there to savesome space and being like, I'm
not gonna like, fully play forthis tattoo or whatever, like, I
don't know how consistent it is.
(08:50):
I think it's probably prettyconsistent.
Liam (08:54):
yeah, I, I, no bro, I, I,
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
I,
Abaan (09:06):
this, like, I was really,
like, not really sure, like,
what's going on with thisTrolleybill, like, I don't get
the play.
Henry (09:11):
Yeah, yeah.
Abaan (09:13):
Did he tell you about the
ID or no?
Did you ask?
Henry (09:17):
No, he sent me his
matchups, uh, actually, like, I
was talking to him this morning.
And he's like, tie againstTarapagos in the last round.
But, yeah, I'd heard whathappened, of course.
Yeah, I think that's, that'scrazy, but, I mean, I get
Abaan (09:29):
I see.
Henry (09:29):
it.
Abaan (09:34):
Are you sure he wasn't
tricked?
Like, I, that was, like, one ofthe leading theories.
Henry (09:37):
uh, related to this, or
no?
Abaan (09:41):
Which question?
No, no, no.
Henry (09:44):
000 versus 100, 000?
Cause
Abaan (09:45):
Oh, no, no.
First of all, Liam asked thatquestion.
But,
Liam (09:49):
Nah, I was just, I was
just like a random thought that
popped in my head, bro.
Henry (09:52):
yeah, so the question
here is like, Top 8 versus Is it
32, or what do you vote?
I don't actually know.
I think, my guess would be 32,cause resistance is like,
ridiculous.
So do you want
Abaan (10:02):
I mean, he was 10th, so
yeah, I'm assuming, yeah.
Liam (10:05):
Yeah.
Henry (10:06):
guaranteed 16?
I mean, to me, that's not evenlike a question what I would
want to do.
Abaan (10:11):
Dude, I think even if
you're not making 32, it's not a
question.
So, like, making 32 makes iteven more locked in.
Like, like, I would always playeven if I was going to miss 32
if I lose.
Because, like, I don't know.
Like, I understand everyone hasdifferent goals, but I thought
the goal, like, the unified goalthat we all had is, like, making
top 8 is, like, the creme de lacreme, you know?
Like, of all the other goals.
Like like the best thing youcould do at a weekend in Big Top
(10:33):
8.
Henry (10:34):
I'm not going to blame
him for it, but I think it's too
bad that he did that.
He should have gone for thegolds, for sure.
Abaan (10:42):
Oh well.
Henry (10:43):
all good.
Um,
Liam (10:45):
I don't know, it just
depends on what you value,
right?
Henry (10:48):
yeah, yeah, definitely.
Liam (10:49):
If you like to win, like,
of course,
Henry (10:51):
like, cash EV
Liam (10:52):
to win.
It
Henry (10:52):
like, the EV heavily
suggests that you should play
for it.
The EV is probably not even,like, good enough.
Even if you wait all year
Liam (11:00):
just depends on what you
value.
Henry (11:02):
But yeah, yeah.
Um, Archeulodon did pretty good.
Uh, all the ideas we had forArcheulodon, everyone else had
them as well it seemed like.
Like, uh, the highest placingone was playing the, the
Banette, and a bunch of peoplewere playing the Banette, which
is really funny.
Liam (11:23):
I don't know, I'd say
like, our like, Binette idea is
like a little different, right?
Like, our Binette idea was notreally like, to aggressively try
and just like, 2 2 2 them,right?
Like,
Henry (11:31):
were some Banettes that
also played the Dialga.
Yeah, our deck was bad, right?
Banette, Archeulodon, Dusknoir.
Or Dialga, I mean, sorry.
Um
Liam (11:40):
yeah, yeah, but like, we
were still playing for the
combo.
It was just using the Binettelike, as like a weaker Pidgeot,
right?
Henry (11:46):
that you played against
was just sort
Liam (11:47):
Probably more accessible.
Henry (11:48):
trying to run you down.
Poor
Abaan (11:52):
Wait, Liam, do you want
to talk about maybe why you
think ADP's better than likethese other versions?
Liam (11:59):
Those ones are non
serious.
Abaan (12:00):
think that anymore?
Liam (12:01):
They're just non serious.
Like, there's, yeah, there'sjust like the general, like, uh,
summary of the meta.
There's, I think, I thinkthere's three serious decks.
There's Charizard, CharizardPidgott, uh, Gardevoir, and
Drago.
And the serious decks are goodinto all the non serious decks.
(12:25):
Everything else is non serious.
Like, you should play a seriousdeck.
And like,
Abaan (12:30):
for joining us
Liam (12:43):
semi serious decks, like
ADP, but like, uh, I mean, yeah,
like, your deck has to do, hasto do more than just like hit
the face every turn, bro, like,you have to have some like real,
like, you know, comebacks, um,you know.
Like, comeback's reallyimportant, bro.
You can't just lose every singlegame you fall behind.
Like, playing a turbo deck justmakes no sense.
(13:04):
Playing a deck like Lugia justmakes no sense.
Like, if you're just gonna, ifyou're just gonna hit face every
turn, bro, you're, you're like,your matchup against the serious
decks is never going to be thatgood because they all have,
like, good comeback potential.
I power, like, their, theirSirius decks, and you can never
take a good matchup into them ifyou're playing, like, something,
something that's terrible.
Henry (13:27):
okay, so play serious
decks
Abaan (13:29):
Yeah, I think that's
fair.
Liam (13:30):
Yeah, and, like, the other
Archelodon lists are just, like,
you know, all they do is hit,hit face every turn for 220,
bro.
Like That's not serious, uh,like,
Henry (13:40):
mean, to be
Liam (13:40):
you're just gonna lose,
like, every single deck.
Henry (13:42):
we were talking about
this, like, these aggressive
Archeulodon decks, like, do havea good Dragon matchup, yeah?
I
Liam (13:47):
You think so?
Abaan (13:48):
I agree
Liam (13:49):
Um, uh,
Henry (13:50):
so much likelier.
Liam (13:51):
I would feel fine with
Drago into one of these decks,
bro.
Henry (13:53):
sec with the
Liam (13:54):
They're like,
Henry (13:55):
with the binette and the
four catchers, bro, like, it's
gonna
Liam (13:58):
oh, I'm guaranteed, bro,
like, I'm literally gonna kill
them in that, like, on four, andthen I'll just Iona them to two.
And then they have to, like,guarantee Turo, like, well,
that's like,
Abaan (14:10):
I just think that, like,
the, of the three series decks
you mentioned, Archeolodon,maybe as a good Drago, it
definitely doesn't have a good,like, guardi, and then the
Zardmatcher doesn't sound greateither, like,
Liam (14:21):
yeah, it's not serious.
Abaan (14:23):
but the problem is, like,
I'm not even sure how much ADP
solves these problems, like, Ithink the Drago matchup is,
like, good for ADP, and then,like, Other than that, like The
Guardian matchup, maybe, it'sdefinitely better than straight.
Henry (14:35):
like 50
Abaan (14:35):
It's a close, yeah.
Yeah, yeah,
Liam (14:38):
Yeah, I mean, bro, I, I
just think, like, you have,
like, you have, like, a realchance into, like, a good player
playing Gardevoir or a goodplayer playing Charizard or a
good player playing Drago whenyou're playing, like, ADP.
Like, once you get this Pidgeotinvolved, you're, like, actually
making, like, real threats,whereas when you're just playing
this, like, oh, like, let me seeif I can, like, run you over
with my, like, bundle 220, like,but you don't have, like, a real
(15:00):
chance into, like, good playerson these decks.
Henry (15:01):
A Catcher 220.
Liam (15:04):
I don't know, the
catchphrase is funny, yeah.
I
Henry (15:05):
changer.
Liam (15:11):
just don't think, like, I
mean Um, uh, uh, um, uh, uh, uh,
uh, um, uh, I'm so sorry if I'mwrong, but, uh, um, but I wanted
(15:36):
to say, um,
Abaan (15:39):
I feel like, um, the
matchup is kind of cooked, like,
this Zard matchup is prettycooked for Palkia Noctowl, but I
looked through that Alexander'sguide, it's like matchup,
matchup spread, and he was likeowning Zard until Odvin came
along, you know, like,
Henry (15:52):
have the, did you watch
the top 8 set on stream?
He destroyed that guy.
Abaan (15:56):
yeah, I did, I did, I saw
the top base set, and then
unfortunately I also saw the top4 set, like,
Henry (16:01):
I watched that
Abaan (16:01):
uh,
Henry (16:02):
Did his deck not work?
Oh,
Abaan (16:03):
it's the one where he
like, forgot to bench the, the
stuff, and then he just like,kind of crashed out after.
No,
Henry (16:08):
Terapicus?
Abaan (16:10):
no, you fan rode him
without getting, like, benching
anything.
Have we talked about this?
Henry (16:15):
Wait, what?
Abaan (16:15):
I'm pretty sure that's
what happened.
Henry (16:16):
What do you mean he fan
Abaan (16:17):
Didn't he have this,
like, thought, like, that was
the whole thing.
There was a guy who, like, fanrode him and, like, didn't bench
any Hoothoots and stuff and justpassed.
Like, just forgot.
And then like,
Henry (16:26):
No, I, well, I don't, I
didn't hear about this, I
believe it, but oh my god,yikes.
Liam (16:31):
That's hilarious.
That's hilarious.
Yeah.
Abaan (16:39):
was.
They just said like, uh, aftermy error, it was, uh, cooked,
but I, I forget the gamesalready.
Like, I watched so many games ofthat matchup in a row, I like,
it blends all together.
I
Henry (16:48):
okay.
Abaan (16:48):
have no clue.
Henry (16:49):
I remember is when, uh,
the Alexander guy made a three
price turn off of a stard punchinto a ninja.
That was pretty cool.
Abaan (16:57):
And well, I mean,
Jonathan tried that in the
finals and just like, gusted theczar to the bench to start his
play, which did not work.
Henry (17:03):
wait, like, he forgot
about Terra?
Abaan (17:06):
Yeah, yeah, that I
remember.
It was a tough one.
Henry (17:09):
I, I do not know all
this.
I, I guess I should have beenpaying more close attention to
these stream matches, geez.
Abaan (17:15):
But yeah, I think, like,
the key question is, like, where
did this deck come from?
Or, like, why now?
Like, why is it good?
Henry (17:23):
Yeah, I mean.
Damn.
Abaan (17:26):
Yeah.
Liam (17:27):
Yeah, if you ask me, I
would say it's not good.
It doesn't look very serious,but somehow they're getting some
results, so I'm probably missingsomething.
Henry (17:36):
the deck is good, right?
So it's not like this is just,like, one group brought it, and
they all happened to do good,right?
Like, this is clearly, like,multiple testing groups brought
it, and it was still at, like, acouple percentage, and, like,
all of them, like, wayoverperformed, like, so the deck
is good! Like, that that's, likeOr at least it was good for
Liam (17:50):
I don't know, it just
seems hard to lose to playing a
serious deck.
Abaan (17:54):
I don't know.
I think, exactly, like, I, Iunderstand the concept, and I, I
think the only matchup that I,like, the weird thing is, all
these decks, like, weird, like,the matchup you feel the most
confident about is Drago, but atthe same time, you can't feel
that confident because you'replaying against Drago, so, like,
Nothing has, like, that great ofa Drago matchup, like, no matter
how good you feel, like, Dragocan always pull some weird trick
on you, so, like, I thinkthat's, like, one of its better
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matchups, but then I, like, lookat its Zard matchup, and I'm
like, that matchup, like, Ican't even conceptualize how I'm
supposed to play it, like,
Henry (18:20):
Really?
I
Abaan (18:20):
there's some ideas, and,
like,
Henry (18:21):
I mean, like, I don't
think it's favored against a
good Zard player, but I thinkyou can definitely get some of
the worst Zard players.
I mean, I watched it a decentamount on
Abaan (18:28):
yeah, but, like,
Liam (18:29):
I, I, yeah, exactly bro,
I, I don't think like if you sit
across from a good, good Zard,Drago, Guardiplayer, anyone
playing like a remotely seriousdeck with Iono and
Countercatcher, that's like avery good benchmark for whether
or not your deck is serious,like do you have Iono and
Countercatcher in your deck?
I don't think you're gonna beatthat, like, it's just brutal.
Henry (18:49):
guy who plays the best,
well, in Birmingham, was playing
the 1 1 Bib, which I think isprobably pretty good.
Liam (18:55):
It's, it's hopeless, like,
and the
Henry (18:59):
already made up your mind
here.
Okay, okay.
Cheers for sharing.
Liam (19:01):
I mean, it's just, it's
not enough.
Abaan (19:04):
idea, I like that idea,
though, I, I do rock with the
bib, it makes sense to me,
Henry (19:08):
trumpets to get it out of
the active, too, right?
Like, you don't even need to,like, commit a switch to it
every time.
Abaan (19:11):
no, no, no, that's not
how
Liam (19:12):
You
Abaan (19:13):
bro,
Liam (19:13):
trump it to the action,
bro.
Abaan (19:14):
like, a thousand words of
text, I, like, literally, like,
every time I read the card, I,like, forgot about a new
condition, so,
Henry (19:19):
like, a lot of
Abaan (19:20):
You have to have
Henry (19:21):
the trap because you can
just throw an extra one on the
bib, right, so you can't gettrapped?
Abaan (19:24):
okay, sure, but like, I'm
just saying, like, bro, you need
a Terra in play, you need tochoose two of Pokemon, benched,
basic energy, I was like, dang,bro.
Henry (19:33):
reading the English
language.
Liam (19:36):
I mean, I probably can.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Abaan (19:48):
man?
It's like Seeker Box, but it'slike a normal card, for some
reason.
Henry (19:51):
three conditions, right?
Benched, Terra.
Oh, basic energy, sure, sure,sure.
Okay, okay.
Abaan (19:57):
Yeah, I was trying to
attach DTEs with it, you know?
Smile.
So many conditions.
Liam (20:04):
Like, the issue is to the
series decks, even when you have
like a lead, they're also likevery fast, right?
So they take like one turn tolike destabilize your board, and
the second turn is like CC Iona,and then you're zashed.
Abaan (20:18):
Like, even Alessandra,
his deck, he was playing this
crazy, like, Codebreaker, Quad,Mimmy thing.
Completely crashed out becausehe just, like, kept losing to,
like, Dragos and tying Dragos,like, The matchup's so good, and
it's like, that deck seems likethe most, like, Oh, it should
have a good Drago for thesimple, simple reasons of just,
like, Look, I have all theseMimmys and Mists, like, how can
I lose?
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when you Radzar, like, I canattack you, etc, etc, right?
But, like, Even that guy can'tget it done against Drago.
Like, Drago's so resilient.
It's just, it's actually crazyhow good Drago is.
Henry (20:49):
did not have a good
weekend though, like, let's not
get it twisted, let's not, let'snot fudge up the narrative here.
Liam (20:54):
Really bro?
I don't know, I
Abaan (20:55):
it
Liam (20:55):
feel like you have a
pretty good lead.
Abaan (20:56):
Brent got third, and
like, poor Rune, he had to play
against Brent.
Like, you know what it is?
You know how it is?
Henry (21:00):
yeah, yeah, and then in
Rio,
Abaan (21:03):
they just teamkilled, you
know?
much you can do there.
Henry (21:06):
yeah, I mean, it didn't
do bad, like, definitely didn't
do, like, terrible, but it's notlike it, like, significantly
overperformed or anything likethat, like,
Liam (21:13):
Yeah, I mean, I don't
know, dude, like, I was at
Birmingham, of course, bro, andlike, Brent was actually just
like, he was dominating theevent, bro, he like, he was
like, he was like 10 0 1, bro,he's like, um He's like playing
his last round just to like,like impact the seeding, right?
Like, and like, it's like notsurprising at all, bro.
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Like, I'm just like, oh, helike, you know, he farmed
another guy.
Like, I thought like, you know,obviously he was playing Draco
and he had like a ridiculouslygood weekend.
So like, it doesn't seem, um
Abaan (21:47):
like, the third is not
equal to other thirds, you know?
Is that what you're getting at?
Like, it says
Liam (21:51):
I don't know, yeah, like,
like, when I was there, I was
like, damn, bro, it must bereally, really good to be, like,
uh, like, the best Draco playerhere, like, that's like, so, so
insane, like, I'm not surprisedat all that this guy's just,
like, beating everything he sitsacross from, and, like, he's
gonna keep doing that for, like,the rest of the tournament.
Abaan (22:09):
I guess we'd also be
remiss to not talk about this,
um, this Tord Tarapagos list,like, you rocking with it?
It's Tord, so, how can you
Liam (22:16):
Yeah, I mean, obviously,
so, uh, it's just, like, it's
just perfect.
Abaan (22:21):
But I, I think, like, I
might have some gap in my
understanding of the deck, but,like, have a lot of problems
with it.
Like, whenever I try to play it,it feels like I'm so reliant on
getting this Drago guy out that,like, When they just start
targeting my Drago reallyaggressively, like, I know you
can Thorn and Stretcher into itor whatever, but just struggle
with the deck, like, it justfeels weird, like, maybe it's
because I'm not used to it, andlike, my whole thinking isn't
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warped around it, but it feelslike I'm just, like, too light
on all the stuff I need, like,where's my, like, second
Stretcher at, you know, or like,uh, mainly the second Stretcher
is what gets me,
Liam (22:52):
I don't know, I don't feel
that way at all.
I feel like I'm vulnerable togetting a bad start or getting
my Pidgeot knocked out.
That's always been my issue withthe deck and I think the Drago
is pretty good because it sortof alleviates this a little bit
by giving you some really strongon board draw power after the
Pidgeot gets knocked out.
But like, yeah, my issue withTerapagos was always like, yeah,
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against like a serious deck,they're going to like Stadium
Bump, Iono, kill your Pidgeot,and like, your board is
literally just like a guy who isfor 130.
And then like, hopefully, like
Abaan (23:25):
if they, like, a lot of
decks can, like, snap kill the
Drago way easier than they cankill the Pidgeot, like, Mirror,
and, like, all these other,like,
Henry (23:31):
to, sorry.
Abaan (23:31):
220 matchups, and, like,
that's when it gets really
frustrating.
When the Drago doesn't live.
And then, like, your deck isjust so
Liam (23:37):
Yeah, I don't know, I've
never felt that way, like, on
the resources.
I mean, you have access to like,two Dusners, even without the
Drago, you have the um
Abaan (23:46):
I mean, Tord got the
benefit of people, like, not
really being aware of this fact,like, about his list.
Because, like, in his streamgame, the one he tied, game two,
his opp he was just out ofstuff.
He, like, boss, boss prime, andhis opponent just has to kill
the Drago, and I think, like, Ithink Tord could have hit
Thornton's Stretcher for game,but, like, he'd have to hit more
stuff than, like, uh, than whatthan just, like, allowing the
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Drago to live, right?
I don't
Liam (24:08):
Yeah,
Abaan (24:09):
it was close,
Liam (24:09):
I mean, like,
Abaan (24:10):
for something
Liam (24:11):
but that's exactly what
I'm talking about, like, I feel
like you have like, You have thepieces in deck, and then like if
the Drago attracts theattention, you have your Pidgeot
still, you have the pieces indeck to win, that's like, that's
all you can ask for.
Abaan (24:23):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I
think like, I think the Thorin
idea of the Draco makes like alot of your plans But then you
can get into like, supporterdebt, where like, your
Liam (24:30):
Yeah,
Abaan (24:30):
to get you like, your
Liam (24:31):
exactly.
I feel like,
Abaan (24:32):
boss,
Liam (24:33):
I feel like on your like,
go turn, it's like really hard
to be like, thwarting into theDrago.
But like, it might happensometimes, right, for like the
um,
Henry (24:39):
Prime
Liam (24:39):
if they're not like,
killing the Duskbill or
something, right?
Mhm.
I agree, I agree.
Well like, yeah bro,
Henry (24:46):
they're just overwhelmed.
Pretty lit, pretty lit.
Abaan (24:48):
I think the Laudius is a
cute, uh, cute idea, by the way,
I thought that was really cool.
I like, when I start playing thedeck, it's like, it feels really
smooth, like, you start hoo hooing or whatever, and you just,
huh?
Liam (24:57):
it lets you, it lets you
like, switch on turn one, and
then you don't have like thislike, switch issue.
Like,
Abaan (25:03):
Where you,
Liam (25:03):
it's only, it's only
vulnerable.
Abaan (25:04):
every game turn
Henry (25:05):
yeah.
Abaan (25:05):
Henry, when you weren't
playing Lobbyists, I felt like,
I was like,
Henry (25:07):
yeah, yeah, yeah,
exactly.
Abaan (25:08):
yeah, yeah,
Henry (25:10):
Yeah, and he's still
playing 4 4 Noctowl 2 2 Pidgeot,
so, pretty respectful.
Abaan (25:17):
yeah, and I like the bump
supporter count, it's been, it's
been, it's like pleasant to playwith, like, it makes the deck,
like, the deck feel smootherthan, like, his, like, other,
like, more wall pickup orientedbuild, but
Liam (25:29):
when you have to
Abaan (25:31):
like, I don't like having
to Pidgeot to bump my, like,
damage guys.
I want, like, a pickup in mydeck.
Henry (25:35):
like a fanfic to me, I
feel like I never actually see
this shit happen.
Liam (25:40):
Yeah, I mean,
Abaan (25:41):
I see it happen a lot.
Liam (25:42):
yeah.
Abaan (25:43):
maybe I'm just doing it
too often, maybe I just like,
like doing it.
But I do it, like, a reasonableamount.
Liam (25:49):
I, I saw Torrid do it on
his, uh, his Win& Win.
He lost, but it was like a goodshot.
Henry (25:55):
But yeah, sometimes it's
your only option when, like, the
game is, like, hooked beyondrepair, because you
Liam (25:59):
Yeah, right?
No, I, it always feels like asuper weakening move, right?
Henry (26:02):
in your active is,
Liam (26:03):
And your turn with Pidgeot
active, and you like get rid of
all the stuff on your board.
Like,
Henry (26:08):
Yeah, exactly, you can't
have the Fez when you do this
stuff usually, you gotta get ridof all your other 2 prizes.
If
Abaan (26:18):
Liam, so like, uh, yeah,
how'd it feel, and like, uh,
Henry (26:20):
you mean.
Abaan (26:23):
well, yeah, I guess,
yeah.
Liam (26:25):
I really like the trolley
idea.
The trolley's really good.
Abaan (26:29):
What's up with the picnic
basket?
Is it really just, like, good?
Liam (26:34):
I think it's just like,
uh, like for the synergy with
the Kazam, bro, and like, itlike, I think it helps
accomplish like, um, it helpskeep the Milotic healthy against
Gardevoir, um, like you can likeKazam and then basket them, and
then,
Henry (26:52):
Dude, I mean, no way,
Liam (26:54):
yeah, exactly, and you
like, Can't play Serena because
he's playing Kazam for the, uh,the Black Hero to amplify that I
guess.
I like,
Henry (27:02):
but like, we were talking
about
Liam (27:03):
uh, uh,
Henry (27:04):
plus the Milotic has to
be enough without the Picnic
Basket for Guardian, but like,you know, also the Picnic
Abaan (27:09):
Yeah.
Henry (27:09):
like a great
Liam (27:10):
and brah, I think, I think
just the Milotic is enough, bro.
I think like,
Henry (27:13):
like, that's definitely
the
Liam (27:14):
I, I, exactly.
I think this list is just like,um,
Abaan (27:18):
Overkill.
Liam (27:18):
overtaxed.
I like, I, I, I don't know, I, Ithink you did a really good job.
I,
Abaan (27:25):
either.
I don't really like Fan.
I think it's, like, kind of
Liam (27:27):
I, I think the fan makes a
lot of sense, like, especially
if you're going to play it withthe Taurus, right?
I think, um, I, I, like,
Henry (27:35):
it synergize
Liam (27:37):
Dragapult, but like, Like,
Taurus Fan is like good vs.
Polt, I guess, right?
Henry (27:42):
Taurus?
Liam (27:44):
because it has this like
additional use case, I guess.
Abaan (27:48):
Dude, I don't know.
Like, Alakazam, it really justfor Gardevoir?
Like, how can this not just bebetter as Serena?
Or, like, just, like, cut it
Liam (27:54):
But it's Gardevoir and
Drago.
Like, he wants to like be ableto Black Cure him and extend the
The Ice Age lock, so he has moretime for the tech supporters.
Abaan (28:03):
70.
Oh, and, like, does he ever,like, kill it into his turn?
And then 70 the next guy,essentially?
Or what?
Liam (28:10):
Mmm, yeah, that's a,
that's a good idea.
Well, you can get them on theprize trade usually, right?
Like, if they have, like, threeprizes left at that point, you
can, like, Kazam, and then moveit back, and then jump to two,
and then have, like, Pidgeyoutplayed Moon.
And, like, even then, you mightget a guy on FCC, and then,
like, uh, that's why I neverlike to take prizes against
Draco, but, like, I don't know,I guess maybe there's, like, so,
you can sometimes get them onthe prize trade, yeah.
Henry (28:29):
the Pidgeot down, right?
Like, you probably should gothere.
Liam (28:31):
Yeah, yeah, and then your
CCs are live if they kill the
Pidgeot, right?
Abaan (28:35):
and, and I assume it's
Tauro's Devo.
He said it was overteching.
Do you think, like, you get itdone with either piece in the
Zard matchup?
Liam (28:43):
Um, yeah, I, I think so.
That's what, bro, it's causehe's also playing, he's also
playing, like, the Milotic, bro.
Like, the Milotic gives yousome, like, really good
inevitability.
Like, if they, like, wait toolong, you can, like, Milotic
Ogre Pawn, which is, like,really strong.
Like, it, like, forces theDuskner at, like, a bad time,
right?
Or, like, if, like, they haven'tpopped any Duskners yet or
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something, or, like, even ifthey've only popped one, you
can, like, Bravery Charm theOgre Pawn and then, like, lock,
like, Rotom or something and,like,
Abaan (29:10):
The rod pressure gets
really intense.
You need to shuffle all thesePokemon in, like, the rods are,
like, working overtime, and if,like, a Sistos or Eerie just,
like, snags a rod randomly,it's, like,
Liam (29:19):
Yeah, like, yeah, I don't
know.
I always like the Devo.
I think it's like a bit moreversatile.
But if you're not gonna play thesecret box, then it's like a
little bit worse.
Because
Abaan (29:29):
interestingly enough.
I thought that was cool uh,weird, like,
Liam (29:32):
I don't know.
I mean,
Abaan (29:33):
intuitively.
Liam (29:35):
like, it's like, it's like
fine.
It's funny, like Nora's andNozarosik.
And I think it's like, if youget like good Silene flips, then
it's like fine.
But like, bro, like once I needto pad, bro, I always feel like
whenever I play a list likethat, like you pad back some
stuff early, and then once youIf you, like, Selene
doubletails, like, twice in arow, you just, you can actually,
like, deck out.
(29:56):
Um, or, or, like, even beyonddecking out, just, like, running
out of resources, and, likeYeah, I don't know, I always
like, I always hated that.
But,
Abaan (30:06):
agree.
Liam (30:07):
at the same time, the,
like, this is why I think the
Stage 1s are so cool, is that,you like, you can build, like,
much stronger boards where itdoesn't, it doesn't take as much
to, like, get them, right?
Where, like, your, like,resources are being really
stressed against Drago, whenyou're trying to beat them
without the Toad School, right?
But if you just get the ToadSchool up, like, You only need
like one Gus, two Gus, and it'sover, right, like,
Abaan (30:29):
like a thorn stretcher
too, like in the back pocket,
like if possible.
Liam (30:34):
what do you, what do you
mean?
Abaan (30:35):
Like if they try to like,
um, just kill your Toad School,
like that's their strategy,right?
You like
Liam (30:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Abaan (30:40):
like the thorn stretcher,
so like, yeah.
Liam (30:43):
Yeah, yeah, like they can
still definitely try and stretch
you for resources a little bit,but like, at least like the
theory is like, you can, um,
Abaan (30:52):
think it's interesting.
I think the idea is that if youI do like that concept of like,
you can play Toad School, youdon't quite need a Zerocic.
just feel like there could belike, one more card in here.
Like, just one more, like, tolike, fix this.
And like, there's plausiblecuts.
Like, I don't really love thefan, even after your
explanation.
And like, Oh, but the otherthing I just think is, like,
cool is, like,
Liam (31:10):
I think you need the fan
or the vest.
Like you need, you needsomething to help lock Monkey
Dory, um, because like, thebravery charm is not, not good
enough.
Um, and if you, I mean, I guessif you play the Sirene, you
really believe in the Sirene,that's like good enough, but
Abaan (31:28):
The Serena helps, too.
Like, Serena makes it cleaner.
Liam (31:30):
sure, sure, yeah.
Abaan (31:33):
But, yeah, sure, if
you're not playing Serena, maybe
you do need the vest.
I was gonna say, like, thisdeck, I, like, wondered how
everything fits in here, butit's, like, kind of the Guardi
concept from earlier.
Like, this trolley, like, it'sworking overtime.
Like, you're
Liam (31:42):
Oh yeah, the other thing
is too, is Um, if you're gonna,
if you're gonna play theGenesect, you need like four
tools.
Four tools is like, the rightcount.
Or four hard tools.
Abaan (31:51):
of course, D.
Va doesn't really count, yeah.
I don't know,
Henry (31:53):
I need to
Abaan (31:54):
I feel like,
Liam (31:58):
Mmm!
Abaan (31:59):
yeah, yeah, good shout,
good
Liam (32:01):
Don't even hate the shout.
Abaan (32:01):
this does seem like a
good irritate list, yeah.
Like, no, no Jests, actually,that
Liam (32:05):
Yeah, right?
With
Henry (32:06):
I'd be down
Liam (32:06):
Shroudy.
Henry (32:07):
down here.
I think that'd be good.
Abaan (32:09):
Yeah, maybe over some of
these Felix slots we've
mentioned.
Like, any other deck could gohard.
Henry (32:14):
the Taurus.
The Taurus is because I forgotit also, like, destroys
Dragapult, right?
Like, it's gotta be, like,insane against Dragapult.
Liam (32:21):
I don't know, but like, I
don't think it's that insane as
Dragapult, because Dragapult isalready like, so fine if you can
like, stabilize a little bit.
Henry (32:27):
help
Liam (32:27):
Like,
Henry (32:28):
Like
Liam (32:29):
Well, like, bro, like,
like, what board are you, like,
like, dude, when you're notstabilizing, it's because, like,
they kill your Pidgey, bro,like, you, like, the Taurus is,
like, kind of a fan pick anyway.
I played against one recently,I've been playing, like, the,
the Pulse with the Badoo orwhatever on the ladder and,
like, Yeah, I, like, I got myDragapult and I, like, was sort
of running him off the board andhe, like, goes into the Taurus
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and then, like, I just, like,Crystalled.
Like, and then he just lost.
And, like, it's, like, itdoesn't save you if you're
getting, like, run off the boardand if you already have the
Pidgeot up, like, basically ifyou, like, hit with the Taurus
and you already have the Pidgeotup, all you're doing is buying
yourself some time to where youcan, like, eventually go do
something else.
But it's not like the otherstuff that you want to do, like
attacking with the Blood Moon orattacking with the Ogre Pawn,
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is, like, that much moreexpensive.
Like, you can just go into thatinstead of the Taurus.
It's like very easy,
Henry (33:16):
Yeah, I mean, I guess you
Liam (33:17):
and like, I think it helps
the matchup like a little bit,
um, and
Abaan (33:22):
Like,
Liam (33:22):
like,
Abaan (33:22):
why would you ever be
attacking with Tauros?
Am I missing something?
Liam (33:25):
it's like,
Henry (33:26):
expensive, right?
Like, you don't need thecountergain and the DT.
Liam (33:28):
yeah, the black team is a
little, but, but yeah, like,
Avan, exactly, right, like, youalready have like so many good
options in the matchup, it'sjust about whether or not you
can like,
Abaan (33:35):
It's it's
Liam (33:36):
Headgear on.
Abaan (33:37):
in this deck, like,
genuinely.
Like, really, it's like,
Henry (33:40):
trolling turn one, you
just get the Taurus down, right?
And then, like, if they, like,blow up your Pidgey, you already
have the Taurus down.
Liam (33:45):
Bro, that's what, that's
what Sander was trying to, like,
I don't know.
We talked a little bit about it,and I think Sander still kind of
liked his choices, but like, Ium, the definite drawback of
this trolley is kind of similarto Guardi, right?
Is like, you like, you likebench lock yourself really early
if you, if you choose to, right?
Henry (34:03):
I know.
Liam (34:03):
But like.
Yeah.
Henry (34:04):
Yeah, like, do
Liam (34:05):
Yeah, I don't know, he was
like bench locking, and then he
was getting locked out of like alot of options, like he like
couldn't get into the Ogre Pondbecause he would need to penny
and boss in the same turn, andlike, like stopped him from
like, sort of like aggressivelyretreat locking me, um, which
just like, it basically justlike gets rid of like so many of
his threats.
Henry (34:24):
Yeah, it doesn't seem
like it.
Like, I don't even know, like,where to start.
Like, what you trolley for inturn one.
If you're, like, if you'reagainst Drago or Guardian, it's
easy, because you get theFeebath or the Toad Scroll.
But, like, if you're not againstone of those decks, I'm not
really sure what you're, like,getting.
Liam (34:35):
Well, I don't know, like,
the,
Henry (34:37):
Rotom, Pidgey.
Liam (34:38):
usually they're, every,
pretty much every deck in format
is weak to at least one of them,right?
Like, they either playStretchers, or they play a Turo,
or both, right?
Abaan (34:47):
it's both.
But yeah, you just grabeverything.
Liam (34:49):
like,
Abaan (34:49):
all the guys
Liam (34:50):
I don't know, like, it's
pretty easy to just grab them,
like, it's not because they'relike particularly good, but just
because it's no cost, right, andso it's like, fine to grab.
Abaan (35:01):
though, is Liam, like,
like, I think, it just isn't,
Liam (35:04):
You can,
Abaan (35:04):
let's say you don't grab
Fez, right?
Like, I thought part of thereason that the page out list,
like, felt so lit is because,like, whenever you want, like,
Fez, like, teleports on theboard because you're playing,
like, 3 Ultra, 4 Nest Ball.
But, like, I don't know, you,like,
Liam (35:17):
you know,
Abaan (35:18):
of, like,
Liam (35:18):
bro, that's like the same
thing with the Guardiolus,
right, like, um, that we weretalking about earlier is like, I
don't know, even, even thoughyou're getting like these like
free spots by cutting all yourball cards, like, these ball
cards are like,
Henry (35:29):
not
Liam (35:29):
they're good cards, right,
like, um,
Abaan (35:33):
Oh, I just checked, like,
I guess, like, Sander's last
round loss was to a Palkdorn,er, not a Palknor, but, like, a
Palk Noctowl.
Liam (35:39):
yeah,
Abaan (35:40):
deck, I guess it seems
like kind of a sus matchup,
like, I don't really know, Idon't even know how to approach
it, right?
Like, I have no clue.
Seems bad, though.
Liam (35:46):
I, I watched their game a
little bit.
I mean, it's just.
They're just so aggressive,like, and like, Sander, or like,
this build is like, um, he's notplaying any like powerhouse
cards, right?
Like, like, what do you do inthat matchup?
Like they hit you with thePalkia and like, what do you do?
You're just like, boss and sob,like, try to like, like Blood
(36:07):
Moon, Luxray, Sob, they're allterrible.
And that's like the onlyattackers you play.
Like, you, you can like try toshove the Mimmy, like, You just
have like no, no good options.
And like, that's not alwayslike, um, the end all be all,
right?
Like it's more on them to tryand like prove that they can
take six prizes, right?
Um, as opposed to you to provethat like You have like, some
(36:30):
like, really good line in thematchup or something.
It's like, I don't think it'sthe easiest thing for like, you
just, you know, if you justthrow up a Mimmy, or like, you
know, just some random junk, youjust like, ask them what they're
gonna do.
If they don't have like, Gust orsomething, you know, like, Gust,
Full Bench, whatever, it's like,not the easiest for them, but, I
don't know, I like, his deck islike, really underpowered, I
think, um, or like, obviously,in a, in a matchup like that,
(36:52):
cause he has no, he has no goodgeneral attacker, like a, like a
Charizard or something, like,
Abaan (36:58):
Yeah, like, look at these
Palkimals, they, like, even the
one that won, um, the one Rio,like, everyone is on this
Cheren, too, so, like,
Liam (37:06):
Yeah, I think Cheren,
Switch, Prime, like it's, it's
just so much.
Abaan (37:09):
have Prime back so they
can get around Jenny, they have,
like, Cologne, too, for, like,some other Jenny like removal,
they have Switch, and, like,they're literally just sitting
there with, like, four Noctilesand, like, just, like, running
you down like a dog.
this is not fun at all, yeah.
Did Xander get a game right now?
Liam (37:24):
I have no idea.
Um, but I, I know we lost gameone at that point.
I was like, oh, it's like
Henry (37:30):
is
Liam (37:35):
I don't know, like, yeah,
exactly.
Like you can try and just getthem on everything.
But like, yeah, I feel likethey're just, they're just so
aggressive, right?
Like, it's so easy for them toconvert like a Noctowl into two
prizes, right?
Pretty much every turn.
Abaan (37:47):
bro.
His, like, tournament exit comesoff like a random tie against
Archeladon, a loss to, like,ADP, like, the most broken deck
ever, and then, like, uh,Palkia, like, a random Palkia
loss, like.
Yeah, it seems like you
Liam (37:58):
I mean, I don't know, bro,
like, yeah, it's, it's like,
unfortunate, but that's like,that's why I will never, I never
played a deck like this, bro,like, it's, it's just so
unserious.
Henry (38:07):
he You mean like,
Pidgeot?
Liam (38:10):
Again,
Henry (38:11):
Like, you're officially
retiring from Pidgeot.
Liam (38:14):
well, nah, I mean, I'm
gonna keep playing Pidgeot
decks, but like,
Henry (38:16):
Like,
Liam (38:17):
they're gonna have to,
Henry (38:18):
control.
Liam (38:19):
they're gonna have to take
some prizes, bro, like, dude,
like, this is the issue, bro,like, maybe, maybe if the, if
the format gets like, you know,small enough, like, condensed
enough that like, you're reallyconfident, you're not gonna hit
anything weird, but bro, thisformat is like, so, so, so, so
wide.
It's like, yeah, it's just,
Abaan (38:43):
top eight out of Rio,
Henry (38:44):
bro.
Abaan (38:44):
I was thinking about the
deck.
Henry (38:45):
love this
Abaan (38:46):
Okay, sure, aware, I
mean, there were two, um, well,
actually, no, one of them wasPolish, and then there's Facundo
Facio, so, like, I'm aware ofthis, like, American love for,
for Thorns, but I'm just sayinglike, I was thinking about
Thorns the other day and I waslike, I, I, I still don't
believe the Draco matchup'sgood.
I've, I've like, from like
Liam (39:04):
Welcome
Abaan (39:27):
list was, like, cutting
the Flutter and the Clefki, all
I'm saying is, like, in responseto this, like, uh, I put one of
those
Liam (39:33):
to
Abaan (39:33):
back in.
I refuse to, like, get Yeah, Irefuse to just take the L,
because I have lost a Thorn tolike, every major I've been to,
for like, I don't know, it'slike on and off, it's like
alternating majors, but like,uh, I'm due for an on, actually,
if the alternation is correct,so, have to do it, I have to at
least try to fight back.
Henry (39:52):
Yeah, well, yeah, yeah,
and like, part of the
calculation is like, everyone atSwitch would like this Pult
Thorns deck.
All the people who want to playThorns would play Pult Thorns.
Which, I don't know,
Abaan (40:03):
It doesn't seem to be
true.
It
Henry (40:05):
Well, it depends on your
Abaan (40:06):
didn't really make sense
to me when that switch happened,
though, right?
Like,
Henry (40:09):
deck
Abaan (40:09):
I never really, like,
Henry (40:10):
Dragonfall deck.
Abaan (40:12):
well, it can't play like
Quad Thorns against certain
decks, right?
Like, against Guardi, forexample, it just doesn't have
crushing hammers and stuff, soit's just like, And its deck
just doesn't work, it's notbuilt to be
Liam (40:21):
Yeah, they have no guns
and they have no hammers, like
you can literally just powerstuff up and like it's fine.
Abaan (40:27):
Like, exactly, like
that's why I was like never that
convinced about Pult Thorns, andlike, I think it's interesting
that people are like, like, Idon't know, I've generically
been telling people that PultThorns is better, but I'm like,
like kinda weird that people areplaying Thorns again,
Henry (40:39):
that Pult Thorns deck
Abaan (40:40):
but it makes sense, you
know?
Yeah, I know,
Henry (40:42):
the Pult Thorns deck.
Abaan (40:44):
I know, I think that now
too, but I was just like, I was
in a cope state where I waslike, dang, like, it's like Quad
Thorns but it does something,but no bro, it's like Quad
Thorns but it doesn't even workas Quad Thorns.
It's Quad Thorns but there's abunch of junk in it.
I'm like back
Liam (40:56):
I mean
Abaan (40:56):
circle on this minion.
Liam (40:58):
When it comes down to it,
I think they're both just, like,
non serious.
And
Abaan (41:10):
before San Antonio is to
find out who wins the Thorns
cloth matchup.
Henry (41:13):
do you think is
Abaan (41:13):
Pretty sure the matchup
is probably like 50 50, like I
think it'll probably actually go10 10.
Henry (41:21):
Yeah, but I agree, like,
looking across the
Abaan (41:23):
Maybe we should offer a
bounty, like a trash slash
bounty, like every week we givea matchup and if someone like
wants to do it and like let usknow, we'll like shout them out
or something.
Well yeah, they don't submit allthe footage, they can just like
tell us, like I don't care.
Henry (41:34):
okay.
Yeah, we'll just trust that thematch was being played at a high
level, this, uh, Thornsclothmatchup.
Fair enough, fair enough.
Abaan (41:41):
Yeah, actually, minimum
placement for the Thorns player
is a world's win.
And then the cloth player has tohave like, I don't know, can do
whatever they want.
Henry (41:48):
so we need to get
Abaan (41:49):
But we need to like, get
the highest level Thorns player,
you know?
Like, I don't want, like, somelike, I only got finals at this
event Thorns player, you know?
not useful.
Henry (41:57):
Yeah, Thorin's probably
destroys Artuladon, right?
Like, pretty much any Artuladonvariant.
I Liam's
Abaan (42:02):
I don't know, they're
playing Cologne, bro.
saw they were playing Cologne,like, our child.
I'm like, what's that even for?
Yeah, I saw like, multiple listswith Cologne in it.
Henry (42:09):
should be favorited into,
like, these Nimique decks and
Snorlax decks, right?
So then it's literally just for
Abaan (42:13):
Dude, that's what I
thought.
Dude, I literally have nounderstanding of why they play
Cologne.
I don't understand it at all.
Liam (42:18):
Polthorns, yeah?
Henry (42:19):
in, uh, Artuladon.
Abaan (42:20):
It's not earlier, why?
Liam (42:24):
And Archelodon?
Or what?
Abaan (42:25):
Yeah, yeah, I've
Liam (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, but I think
it's literally just for Mimikyu
Dex.
I don't think that Mimikyu Dexare all that good, bro, like, if
you're not playing the Duskner.
It's It's a hard card to get,bro.
Abaan (42:34):
Isn't doing like 60 like
hella annoying for them?
Or not?
Henry (42:37):
god, this guy is the
Vitband, bro.
Liam (42:39):
Well, like, bro, like, the
issue is, like, if You have to
get into the Archelodon to getthrough, like, anything else
that they put in the active,right?
Henry (42:46):
he has to
Abaan (42:46):
Okay.
Henry (42:47):
many times.
Liam (42:47):
And then, like, once you
get the Archelodon out, like,
they, uh, then they go into theMimikyu, and then, like, it's
hard to, like, keep retreatinginto the
Henry (42:56):
Is it true?
Liam (42:57):
The baby, uh, the baby
Dura.
Abaan (42:58):
like two Turos, a Scoop
Up Cyclone, like how hard can it
be?
Am I missing something?
Liam (43:03):
I mean, like, the thing
is, they, like, bro, like, if
you're against, like, uh, a laxdeck, bro, and then there's
just, like, Penny CC, and thenyou're like, oh, like, am I,
like, really gonna use a Turonow and hit for 60 again, bro?
Like, I don't
Abaan (43:16):
literally what if you
just refuse to evolve and you
hit them for 80 over and overand over again?
Liam (43:22):
know, like, if they have,
like, bro, if it's, like, a lax
deck, then they'll just, like,Flute you, and then, like, keep
gusting other stuff, bro, like.
Abaan (43:28):
Sure.
Liam (43:29):
Or the little fan.
Abaan (43:30):
volume, it's not like
they have melodic, right?
So you have the volume of Turosand stuff to like, you know,
Liam (43:35):
Yeah, I don't know, maybe.
Like, I probably wouldn't playthe Cologne, because, like, that
seems terrible.
But,
Henry (43:39):
the
Liam (43:39):
I'm just saying, I don't
think your, like, Snorlax
matchup is, like, 100 0 rightnow, or something, like, I think
it's like Hmm.
Abaan (43:50):
from like, um, Derek, he
was telling me like, yeah, like
he, he was, he just handed methe highest pla like highest
performing list I was like,okay, sure.
Or like, not the highestperforming, but the most
frequent performing list orwhatever.
And apparently I had clone init.
I was like, okay,
Henry (44:04):
see one of these ones at
EU,
Abaan (44:05):
I'll try it.
Henry (44:07):
They even play like the
Cheren, oh my god.
What?
These lists are really crazy.
Abaan (44:14):
Is it Mr.
Clark?
Matthew.
Matthew.
Henry (44:18):
row 33rd, but, I mean,
I'm just kinda going down the
line here.
Abaan (44:22):
Oh.
But this list got like fourplacements at Birmingham.
I guess that's probably whatDerek talked about.
Henry (44:26):
okay, instead of the
clone.
Yeah, I think I like
Abaan (44:29):
Yeah.
Henry (44:30):
1 ban out instead of the
clone,
Abaan (44:33):
Makes sense to me.
Yeah.
Henry (44:34):
because the banette has
to help the lax matchup, like, a
lot.
Abaan (44:39):
But I guess like the
clone, like has side outs
against thorns.
Like I, I guess the, a argumentis that if you get like one our
child on cooking, do you justlike run through thorns?
I don't even know if that'strue.
Henry (44:48):
vid ban for that, right?
Well, I mean, it does get, like,three hit, realistically.
Like, it's super hard for themto get the 160 attack off,
right?
I guess I can devo
Abaan (44:56):
Well, you, you only do
the one 60 tech one time though,
right?
Henry (45:01):
True, but like, Churen
can just gust the one with like,
the two lightings on it, andyou're kinda, kinda screwed,
right?
Abaan (45:07):
Sure, sure.
I I Maybe you use the clone turnto just power, but Dega to run
them over.
Henry (45:12):
Oh, yeah! Yeah, well, but
even then, without the vit band,
it's like, actually not thatgood, right?
you could work a
Abaan (45:18):
Yeah, yeah,
Henry (45:19):
point, maybe.
I don't know.
yeah, I'm kinda down
Abaan (45:21):
maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Henry (45:23):
Okay,
Abaan (45:23):
You just start the game
hammering in everything and then
like at some point you go colonyaga run through your whole
board
Henry (45:28):
yeah.
Yeah,
Abaan (45:29):
maybe.
Henry (45:30):
killing the Duraludon,
like, you have a lot of time,
because they don't even kill theDuraludon on turn two, right?
It's not possible.
Oh no, it is! They have to findthe capsule, though.
Abaan (45:39):
Yeah, wonder, like, wait,
Liam, just like to reiterate a
little bit, like, did you likethe engine of your deck?
Like, did you think codebreaking and, like, you were
happy with it, or, and also wereyou choosing blind first or
second?
I think, like, that's alsointeresting
Liam (45:51):
I was, I was blinding
second, but like, I don't know,
I think that might have beenlike the defining mistake of the
tournament, because like, yeah,exactly, I was like, going
second, and then like, I wouldjust watch them like, do like
some ridiculous stuff to me onlike turn two going first, and
like, I would just get run offthe board that way, but like,
you know, at the same time, Iwas going second, because like,
My deck function is a lot bettergoing second.
(46:11):
Like, even though it is kind oflike, there's definitely decks
that have more stark contrastbetween like, first and second,
like, my deck still has theNinja, still has the Pokestop,
so the deck function is notlike, terrible going first.
Like, six draw supporters andcall for family is like, that's
like, uh, that only helps yourconsistency in your setup.
So like, I felt like my chancesof getting the Pidgeot turn two
(46:32):
going second, We're like way,way, way higher, and then
basically like, you know, ifthe, them having like a crazy
turn two going second is like,not as surprising, right?
They have like extra drawsupporter.
Um, I think Drago, Tarzahr, likeall these decks, they like, they
should be, it's like veryexpected, very reasonable for
them to be like converting intoa crazy turn two.
Uh, on like a way higherpercentage going second, so
(46:54):
like, yeah, I basically justfelt like I would be getting,
um, guaranteed setups goingsecond, and then, um, or like,
much higher percentage setupsgoing second than going first,
and like, if I was going firstand not getting a good setup,
I'd be like, almost resigninginto like, um, some crazy turn
twos.
Like, or like, basically likethe worst case scenario that was
(47:14):
happening to me in thetournament where like I'm going
second and then they have acrazy turn two, I felt like it
would be happening like way moreconsistently if I was going
first.
Abaan (47:21):
Yeah, that makes sense,
like, they're just like doing
that with a supporter, and thenyou like kinda have to slow turn
one, and like, everybody, youdon't even feel the advantage
going first.
Yeah,
Liam (47:27):
Yeah, yeah,
Abaan (47:28):
don't see
Liam (47:28):
Like,
Abaan (47:29):
I'm
Liam (47:30):
if you get turned to
Pidgeot going first, that's
like, that's just unbeatable,right?
And like, beat everything.
But in the games that thatdoesn't happen, it's so, so, so,
so brutal.
If you're if you're offingfirst.
Henry (47:40):
Yeah, and getting turned
to Pidgeot going first is
egregious, and you apologizeevery time you do that.
Liam (47:44):
Yeah, I feel like that was
like too much of a high roll to
play for.
Henry (47:52):
Alright, I don't know how
much of there is to talk about.
Liam (47:54):
It was,
Henry (47:55):
there's the 34th
placelist! Everyone go ahead and
take a look at the 34thplacelist, shoutout to,
Liam (48:01):
um, oh, oh, wait,
actually, yeah, Aban, Aban also
asked me whether or not I likethe engine.
Um, I did, I thought, I wasreally happy with the support
accounts, I thought the supportaccounts were pretty good.
Um, I, I've always liked toplay, like, Radiant Greninja
with Pidgeot.
It, it always, like, and RadiantGreninja's just broken,
Pidgeot's broken, so, like,playing them together always
feels good.
Um,
Henry (48:20):
Die.
Abaan (48:21):
gonna copy and check, you
know?
I
Henry (48:22):
No, Liam isn't telling
the truth because he kept on
trying to make this Pidgeot deckwork like a month or two
Liam (48:29):
heh, um.
Abaan (48:32):
given what I've seen with
Palkia and Noctowl, that deck
can't be that bad, this PalkiaPigeon.
Henry (48:38):
Dude, I don't know, that
deck was like really
Abaan (48:41):
I don't know, next
project, just throw a oh,
Henry (48:43):
dude.
Like, there was no power.
Abaan (48:45):
no, but imagine just like
a 1 on 1 list, like a 1 on 1
Pidgeot line in your, like, Palk
Henry (48:49):
Yeah, but
Abaan (48:50):
like, Noctowl list.
Henry (48:51):
Or maybe you can get away
with
Abaan (48:52):
No, just play like one,
bro.
Get one in there.
Yeah, get in there, bro.
One one candy, one
Henry (48:56):
that I think I there's an
idea there if you tried to like,
essentially build the PalkiaDusknoir deck, or sorry, the uh,
Palkia Pidgeot deck just likethe, the um, the Dialga Pidgeot
deck, right?
Like you put a 101
Liam (49:09):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
I feel like if I built it now,I'd build it the exact same way.
I'd basically just, like, copypaste it.
Not the supporter line, right?
You get access to Irida beinginsane, but,
Henry (49:17):
know.
Liam (49:18):
um, the stops, the ninja,
seems really good.
Yeah,
Abaan (49:23):
matter how, like, bad it
sounds, like,
Henry (49:26):
good
Abaan (49:26):
Dude, anything that has a
page on?
Henry (49:28):
Yeah.
Abaan (49:28):
something has to work,
like I can't You
Henry (49:33):
if the deck space works,
because like, at that point
you're pretty much playing aTerapagos deck, but you have to
play like, way more energy.
Liam (49:40):
yeah, like, would you
still commit area zero?
Still commit the pieces to areazero for the damage bump?
You probably have to, right?
Henry (49:45):
you have to, yeah.
Yeah, it would probably be alittle too clunky, but idea.
Yeah,
Abaan (49:54):
placeless Henry?
Yes, this is one of your, uh,masterclass students.
Henry (49:58):
Playing the Gardevoir
Yextec with the Shitter
Cresselia and the Den.
For those who don't know, theShitter Cresselia says 3 for 160
and flip up one of your facedown prize cards.
pretty lit.
Liam (50:11):
We love it.
We can go fishing.
Go fishing.
Henry (50:14):
no, dude, looking at the
prize cards is so lit, that's
like the one thing I miss.
I haven't really been with thisdeck recently, although
honestly, like, well, probablybecause I haven't done quite
enough preparation for SanAntonio, but I think this deck
actually is pretty good, but Ipretty much am off this.
didn't play with the DefianceBand, even though, like, I feel
like we always knew we shouldhave played with the Defiance
Band, we never got around toputting it in.
Band makes this deck a lotbetter.
(50:34):
Like, this is definitely, uh,makes it a two price matchup.
Way more playable.
Because I, you remember that onegame
Abaan (50:42):
Yeah.
Henry (50:42):
me playing this deck and
I hit Turbo Moon?
Abaan (50:45):
Yes, I do remember.
Henry (50:47):
way I won is by like,
trapping their Darkrai V Star,
but like, other than that, like,they weren't even getting
egregiously lucky, and I justhad like, no plan in the prize
map.
So yeah, that's why you needed afive,
Abaan (50:56):
I think the cool thing
about this deck too, like, I
think it's funny that like, ifyou've been on ladder this whole
time, like you've seen all thesecards like go in and out of like
the list, like the Dedenne andthe Cresselia, and like, I don't
know, it's just funny, like, Ifeel like now I've kind of
fallen through them, but like,it's nice to see someone, like,
picked up those ideas, and like,had a decent finish, like, they
(51:16):
were very close to cashing,34th, like, it's respectable.
Henry (51:19):
No, I really appreciated
them playing this, because
otherwise I don't think I everwould have, it never would have
really the light of
Abaan (51:24):
The idea would just
literally go to the waste, like,
we had just fled like a month,and it just, like, disappeared
into the void.
The Den's really cool, Iactually was using the Den for
like a lot of, uh, weird spots,like, not just the Snorlax
matchup, but I remember, like, areally funny game I had where,
like, There was just two Dragoson the board, and I was just
like, living to Dany for CCing,like, over and over and over
again, and like, it was sofunny.
Henry (51:46):
and getting like the
stamp dude, oh yeah, it's
actually so lit sometimes.
I kind of miss the Dedenne.
And like, the reason you have toplay the Dedenne in this list is
because you're not playing theCharm, so you don't really have
an answer for Lax otherwise.
So you shove the Dedenne inthere and just see what it does.
And it actually did so much,bro.
Abaan (52:02):
Did any of us ever lose
that matchup?
I know that me and Henry hadthese famous games where we got
extremely close to losing thelax matchup, just cause like,
carelessness is erotic.
But like, at the end of the day,like, we'd always like, get into
these really sus
Liam (52:15):
No, bro, you guys, you
guys lost, bro, you guys lost,
are you
Abaan (52:18):
know for sure I never
lost.
Henry (52:20):
lose.
I know I didn't lose.
Abaan (52:22):
I remember that game
against James Closs where we
thought I was gonna
Liam (52:24):
guys kidding?
Abaan (52:25):
No, no, both me and Henry
had this
Henry (52:27):
lost though.
Abaan (52:27):
no, no, I did not lose, I
did not lose.
Liam (52:29):
I know for a fact you
lost, bro, like, the first game
that you were playing it, bro,like,
Henry (52:33):
I just
Liam (52:34):
I,
Henry (52:34):
because, like, what
happened, like, was
Abaan (52:36):
no, no, I guess Rewind
8962 or something, I remember
that game, no way.
Or Rewrite or something, I don'tremember.
I think it was Rewrite.
Henry (52:43):
I
Abaan (52:44):
No,
Henry (52:44):
to show my face after
because I, like, I knew how
egregiously I messed
Abaan (52:46):
no, Liam, I know that
session you're talking about, we
both beat the lags, but it waslike, the most disgusting
gameplay ever, like, we got to apoint where we were looping, and
like, we were like, one cardaway from Iono decking out, and
then like,
Henry (52:57):
Adam
Abaan (52:57):
like, scooped it out.
Henry (52:59):
him, but he was slamming
you in chat because he was like,
why, did you not
Abaan (53:03):
no, that, Adam Palmet
Liam (53:04):
no,
Abaan (53:05):
masterclassed there,
Adam, like, that was actually a
read by Liam, like, like, it'ssimple, like, if your opponent
expects Iono, don't Iono, like,it's actually like, level one
again.
Like, there was like, a momentapparently on
Liam (53:16):
Alright,
Abaan (53:16):
that extreme game,
Liam (53:17):
yeah, I mean, I don't
really remember, but,
Abaan (53:19):
like, doesn't gear for
the Zerocit, because he assumes
he's gonna get Iono'd soon, andhe, like, wants to have Zerocit
in his new hand.
And then, like, Liam just, like,doesn't Iono ever,
Henry (53:26):
But like,
Abaan (53:26):
and then, like,
Henry (53:27):
deck out pressure if you
got through a stick, so like, it
was definitely
Abaan (53:30):
yeah, and then, and then
Addis is tweaking out, like,
where is your Iono, man?
Like, can you just Iono me?
Like, oh, it was a great,
Henry (53:39):
times.
Liam (53:40):
oh my god, dude, I
actually, like, oh my god, bro.
I, like, you just get, if youjust play without any greed,
bro, like, if you, if you underindex on, like, when you should
be greedy, like, yeah.
Oh my god, I'd actually be sogood at the game, bro, but like,
as everybody, bro, everybody isso greedy, they just like,
always want what they can'thave, bro.
Completely ridiculous.
Henry (53:59):
Okay,
Abaan (54:00):
No, Val, I, I disagree.
Like, if you, like, refuse tobelieve that, like, some things
are, like, like, I don't know,like, certain turns, right,
where you're just, like, well,I'm not gonna be greedy, like,
I'm gonna take what I can get,like, look, this is what's
possible with my hand,
Liam (54:11):
I think if you did that,
like, your quality of play on
average would go up, bro,because like, I don't know, I
feel like almost every mistake,like, I guess this is sort of
like a level one take, but yeah,like, every mistake is like, you
like, want something that youshouldn't want, right?
Like, I like, I really wanted tolike, keep some like, extra
cards in my deck, so like, Iheld off on the Iona for like, a
little bit too long.
But like, that's like,
Abaan (54:32):
I've been
Liam (54:33):
I think like,
Abaan (54:34):
a ton recently, and,
like, I found that, like, my
issue is, like, a, like, I havea, like, severe lack of greed,
like, the games I lose, I'm,like, damn, right, I didn't get
to play, because I was justchilling, because I didn't want
to go in like that, And then,sometimes I send it with my V
Star, and like, obviously, like,sometimes I send it with the V
Star, and I have to scoop, like,almost instantly, but I was
like, I was gonna scoop if Ijust passed here, so, may as
well.
(54:54):
And then, I've, like, stolen acouple games with the
Liam (54:56):
yeah, I mean, obviously
like, it's like, you know, there
is like a balance that's likecorrect, right?
But like, I don't know, I feellike the majority of mistakes
that I like see people make, andthat like, I feel like I make
myself, is not because I like,underestimate, um, or like, I
uh, I overestimate how passive Ican be.
(55:18):
It's like, it's that I like,underestimate the drawbacks of
like, Going into early,basically, or like pushing for
something.
Abaan (55:24):
you always get hit with
that Iona CC, and you're like,
oh, well, I guess my spot is notas robust as I thought.
Liam (55:30):
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Abaan (55:31):
issues that popped up,
yeah.
I know you knew.
Henry (55:34):
that there's a punish,
but you don't like, think that
much about it, and then like, asthey slowly start playing the
cards out, you like, you know,look at the cards you got Iono'd
into, you see the CC get playeddown, and then you're just like,
ah, I guess I just threw the
Liam (55:45):
Like, damn, bro.
I, I forgot these two cards arelike even in here, bro.
Abaan (55:49):
Like,
Henry (55:50):
Has this happened
Abaan (55:51):
you're always sitting
there at six prizes, bro, like.
How can you get CC'd?
Henry (55:55):
know, you saw me boss
Drifblim against Drick the other
day, so you know, sometimes Iget
Abaan (55:59):
Yeah,
Liam (56:01):
Drake,
Abaan (56:03):
okay,
Liam (56:03):
reference.
Abaan (56:04):
we got like 56 minutes
without hearing this, but,
Henry (56:07):
Okay, so, anything else
with Birmingham?
Abaan (56:10):
Oh, dude, I think the
thing that like, is so offensive
about this Baby Rattle ID, bythe way, is like, literally, I
tried playing either of thesematchups afterwards with you,
and like, man, I just don't likebeing, like, these like,
Toropagos stacks in the Guardi.
Like, once the Guardi comesdown, like, why does it have 310
HP?
That number is so,
Liam (56:27):
I know, right?
Abaan (56:29):
It's so horrible.
Henry (56:30):
What do you mean, like,
anything above, like, 240 is,
like, enough to be annoying,right?
I mean, I guess you could
Abaan (56:35):
No,
Liam (56:36):
just, so Right, because
they have like a two prize or in
play and then they jump to one.
And you can't even kill it,right, like,
Henry (56:43):
like,
Liam (56:43):
it's like, it's just,
Henry (56:45):
it should be, like, an
Earth Lunar range or something,
like, what are we saying here?
Liam (56:49):
it's just so annoying,
because like, you like, think
that there's like, you should beable to like, take more prize
cards in one turn than youreally can, because like, it's
basically like, the whole deckis like, single prizes, bro,
like, ah.
Henry (57:00):
Yeah, I mean, that's
true.
Abaan (57:01):
Look, I'm not saying what
should or shouldn't happen.
All I'm saying is like, thislike, I play the deck and I'm
like, wow, can I kill a Guardiever?
So like, once I do my Greninjaplay, like, we stuck on one
forever.
We just take it one, one, one,one, like, let's see what
happens.
Like, I don't even understandhow the match up's good unless
you like, literally like, runthem off the board completely.
Like, you just take like, fourprizes and then they start
playing the game.
Henry (57:22):
about
Abaan (57:22):
Then I can see how you
win.
Henry (57:23):
the way you win is by
just killing both the Kirlians
on the Evo turn, right?
And then like, it's so hard torecover from that sometimes, you
know what I mean?
But if you can't
Abaan (57:30):
I know, of course.
Henry (57:31):
yeah, I agree with you.
But, um
Abaan (57:34):
But even if you get it
off, like, it's not like the
Guardi player has like enoughfightback, like a second Evo,
and like, just like, plays thegame, like
Henry (57:42):
once both curies go down,
and this is especially true
against trap goods, like youhave to get two curies up again
and like that, that's prettyhard.
Like a lot of times when yousell your soul for these Evo
plates, you don't actually havethat much going on your hand.
And that's why I like, like the
Liam (57:54):
There's also the like,
the, the whole DaEva trick
though, right, like the um,
Henry (58:00):
Yeah.
Liam (58:00):
just like, get a bunch of
routes.
Henry (58:02):
Yeah.
I, I like that.
I think that's good against thePaul Ke deck.
I'm not like, I don't know.
I guess
Liam (58:08):
Yeah, I mean, it's not
like,
Henry (58:09):
down as
Liam (58:10):
fantastic in Serapagos,
right?
Cause then they like, they justkill your Kirlia, and then like,
Henry (58:14):
Yeah, or especially if
they're
Liam (58:15):
make you have to do
something.
Henry (58:16):
threaten to like, wipe
three Curlias in X
Liam (58:19):
Yeah, sure.
So go after everything.
Abaan (58:21):
I mean,
Henry (58:21):
but then if you go into
the EX, it's like, then your
draw is like, really limitedsometimes.
Like, if you're, you
Abaan (58:27):
just to give people an
idea, like, oh,
Henry (58:29):
go
Abaan (58:29):
yeah, go ahead, sorry.
I was gonna say, just to givepeople an idea Oh, sorry.
Henry (58:33):
sorry, sorry.
Abaan (58:33):
You're good, you're good,
you're good, you're good.
Henry (58:34):
like, you have this
choice, like, they have like, if
they have one Dusk or a Threat,you can choose to either Evo
into a third Curlia, or Evo intoone EX, one Curlia, one EX, one
Curlia is like, safe for moststuff.
Bye.
Three Kirlia is like, waybetter.
So you sort of have to weigh therisk there, and if they have the
threat of like, having doubleDuskdoor, then you have to do
like, this EX flip Kirlia thing,and that's like, terrible.
Liam (58:57):
Mhm.
Abaan (58:58):
I was gonna say, like,
just to give people an idea of,
like, what Gardevoir list we'rerocking with right now, like, we
don't, like, like, I was, like,kind of talking about the Baby
Rattles and, like, some of myissues with it, I really love
Vinny's 10th place list, like,it's not perfect, like, I think
it has a very suspicious Zardmatchup without the Mawile,
like,
Henry (59:14):
And he's
Abaan (59:14):
uh, we're playing against
the Pokestop Zard.
Henry (59:16):
Yum.
Abaan (59:17):
He does, he
Liam (59:18):
Oh my god, my bot was
doing like crazy tricks on it,
like he was going insane,
Abaan (59:22):
but,
Liam (59:23):
I was like completely
convinced
Abaan (59:24):
I did
Liam (59:24):
that like,
Abaan (59:25):
of those words, Liam,
Liam (59:25):
Tarzar player was like,
gonna do crazy tricks,
Abaan (59:29):
but I think that, like,
The
Liam (59:31):
hehehe.
Abaan (59:31):
like, simple text you can
fix to, like, make the deck
better, and I think, like, slaman Irida in there, that's, like,
lit, and I think, uh, try aMoonlit Hill over one of the
Artisans, and, like, the list isalready, like, close to good
enough, like, maybe I, I'm notgonna say exactly, like, I'm not
really sure, like, what we'regonna play from that, but, like,
If you do those two changes andjust send this list, your deck
can't be that bad, you know?
You'll do fine.
(59:52):
Like, I think it's like one ofthe better guardi lists, so
like, I feel like a lot ofpeople, I, maybe they, like,
maybe they tuned out because wehaven't said anything for like
an hour about Guard of War,like, exactly what list they
should play, but like, I thinkif you take those changes and
just send the list, like, uh,you're probably gonna do fine.
You're gonna do pretty well.
If you're good.
Henry, do you have a, do youdisagree with any of this, or?
Henry (01:00:12):
mean, I'm not really
sure, to be honest, I'm still
between, like, yeah, I mean, Ithink possibly the best card of
our list going forward.
Zekenda is just playing the fullturbo build.
Like, the more the meta changes,it seems like it favors the full
turbo build more and more.
But it's really hard to pull thetrigger on that because it has
an auto lost and the mirrormatchup, which, ever listened to
(01:00:32):
me talk about this stuff, you'veheard me say that before.
But every other matchup is like,the best.
Pretty much just better, likeyou have a really concrete
gameplan in Charizard, uh, youhave a really good matchup
against these, uh, Palkia,Noctowl, and like a pretty good
Tropicus, Noctowl matchup aswell.
Yeah, I'm just like, I'm justgoing down the list here of all
these, all these decks, andlike, they all just kinda Lose
(01:00:53):
to the Turbo deck, but, youknow, so,
Abaan (01:00:56):
But you can get to it
slow, right?
Like, that's like the thing,like, other than Zard, the slow
matchup is like not that muchworse for any of these decks,
you know?
Henry (01:01:03):
yeah, it's like, do you
want to
Abaan (01:01:04):
It goes
Henry (01:01:05):
5 percent from your
matchups across the board and
not take an auto loss, or viceversa, right?
Abaan (01:01:13):
yeah, I'm not really
sure, like, that's like a really
tough question to answer, Ithink, like, obviously we're
gonna have to decide that in thenext few days, but like, it's
hard to, like, really, like,conceptualize this problem
fully, right, and
Henry (01:01:21):
Yeah,
Abaan (01:01:22):
it just feels so bad if
you run into Slow Gardevoir
after, like, all the propagandaabout it,
Henry (01:01:26):
Yeah, exactly.
Abaan (01:01:27):
but
Henry (01:01:27):
under practiced on the
Turbo deck as well, like, I
really wasn't planning onplaying it, but, like, the more
I see it, like, the more I wantto play it, and I think some
other people are probably goingto play it.
obviously, like, if you'replaying just the Turbo, well,
the Turbo mirror is, like,pretty shit, but at least it's,
like, not, you know, it's 50 50.
Someone's got to win that one.
Somebody has
Abaan (01:01:46):
I don't know, I remember
playing it before the event, and
like, we got pretty good at it,like, I thought we had, like,
good lines, good
Henry (01:01:51):
no skill, but if both
people know what they're doing,
it, uh, yeah.
It kind of just comes down towho can, like, re establish
their Curlias.
Word, word, word.
Liam (01:02:00):
Well, I feel like that's
most matchups, like if both
people know what they're doing,like especially the mirror, like
the mirror matches, like if bothpeople know what they're doing.
Henry (01:02:07):
sure, okay, maybe I
oversimplified it.
Like, if you understand, like,the couple governing axioms of
the matchup, then, uh, thematchup becomes sort of
Abaan (01:02:17):
You can't be that bad at
the matchup, is I think what
Henry's getting at.
Like, there's certain matchupswhere, like, you have, like,
plenty of opportunities to makea mistake.
You made a mistake turn one,turn
Liam (01:02:25):
Yeah, no, exactly.
Like, Drick will, like, neverever lose a Drago mirror because
he's him.
Henry (01:02:30):
definitely
Abaan (01:02:30):
That's definitely not
true, but
Henry (01:02:32):
but
Liam (01:02:35):
That's like actual
blasphemy.
Abaan (01:02:37):
think I'm like 50 50 to
Trick Hunt in the Mirror, but
Liam (01:02:39):
Yeah, alright, bro.
Alright, bro.
Oh my god, man.
Henry (01:02:42):
this is coming from Liam,
who got them three times in a
row.
Liam (01:02:44):
That's, like, crazy
disrespect and it's, like,
completely blasphemous.
This guy's, like, actually,like, moving different with his
Ravie Drago deck.
He, like, actually goes crazy inthe mirror.
Henry (01:02:53):
This dragon deck is
terrible, dude.
Abaan (01:02:54):
yeah, I don't know, like,
yeah, actually, though, Henry, I
will say, like, recently, I,like, I, this doesn't, there's
no, like, reason for this toexist, like, I swear I draw so
streaky, you know, like,sometimes I'm like, This Draco
deck is terrible, like, I hateit, I hate it, I hate it.
And then I'll, like, have asession, I sat down for, like,
four hours, and I'm just playingit, and I'm like, Pult.
Pult Detector 2.
(01:03:15):
Alright, let's go again.
Pult Detector 2.
Alright, let's go again.
Pult, like, I don't even know,like, There's no real, like,
reason for it.
This is a streaky deck, like, I,that's, like, obviously an
idiotic, like, Are you mad?
I'm just saying, like,
Liam (01:03:26):
No, bro, the bad hands
follow each other, bro.
They follow each other.
Like, it's like,
Henry (01:03:31):
hands
Liam (01:03:32):
you have to like, get up
and leave, bro.
Like, you can't like, play yourway out of these like, bad Drago
hands, bro.
You have to like, go take awalk, basically come back the
next day, and then like, yourhands will kind of get reset to
like,
Abaan (01:03:42):
Henry, I, like, I'm very
excited for you to just tell me,
like, well, obviously they don'thave any, like, correlation with
each other.
Henry (01:03:47):
calculations, poker hands
are considered independent
trials, meaning that the outcomeof one hand does not influence
the outcome of the next hand.
Oh!
Liam (01:03:55):
Bro, I'm not saying that
they influence each other, I'm
just saying that they come inhandy.
Abaan (01:03:58):
clear that they don't
include each other, Henry, and I
don't even understand thisphenomenon.
But, like, at some point, I'm,like, I'm just observing what
I'm, like, I'm just observingthings, you know, and I'm just
pointing it out, like.
Liam (01:04:07):
Yeah, well, exactly, bro.
It's like, if you like, flip acoin, and it's like, you know,
four heads in a row, and thenfour tails, you can be like,
hey, that's like, an interestingpattern, even though it is just
like.
Henry (01:04:15):
yeah.
So instead of like, doing like astatistical test, we might say,
Oh, maybe this coin is streaky.
Liam (01:04:22):
Yeah, we would just say
the coin is streaky.
Abaan (01:04:27):
I'm just observing, bro.
I'm just observing, bro.
Like, what can I say?
Jacobs is a streaky deck.
You know, like those coins likethat like Exactly.
There's like streaky roulettetables.
It's just like streaky, justlike a common term that people
use in like analysis.
Right?
Henry (01:04:40):
like, stupid.
Like, every time, you
Abaan (01:04:44):
know.
I know, I know.
I was, I don't know man like
Henry (01:04:47):
a
Abaan (01:04:47):
that, but I'm just saying
like, what.
Henry (01:04:48):
mentalities
Liam (01:04:49):
Like,
Henry (01:04:50):
are
Liam (01:04:50):
we can recognize that
there's no rhyme or reason, but
we can also like, you know, thatdoesn't mean we have to
completely throw out the data.
We're like, watching thesestreaks happen.
It's very streaky.
Henry (01:04:58):
important to tell the
people at home that that streak
Abaan (01:05:01):
No, no, no, the reason I
was saying that is because,
like, I feel like last pod, no,no, I feel like last pod, I was,
like, thinking, like, oh, man,Drago's bad, like, all I'm
saying is, like, I feel like myopinion on Drago is, like, up to
date with my, like, most recentstreak, so, like, that's, like,
why I feel like I flip flop onthe deck all the time, like,
literally, like, if you asked metwo days ago, I'd be, like,
saying, like, Drago's, like, theworst deck ever, bro, like,
look, and I got O'd to my localswith it, like, listen, this
deck's terrible, and then, like,uh, right now,
Henry (01:05:24):
disgust, bro?
Oh my god.
Liam (01:05:27):
Oh my god!
Henry (01:05:28):
Like,
Abaan (01:05:29):
like,
Liam (01:05:29):
Wait, we might have to
cancel him.
Abaan (01:05:31):
until I played this Drago
deck, I, like, have never, like,
I never missed out on a Local,and then I was like, oh, well,
like, this season.
then this Drago deck, it finds away, bro, like, it's just, like,
I got a bad streak.
Liam (01:05:42):
It's like he has no
respect for the community over
at TTV.
Henry (01:05:44):
That's what
Abaan (01:05:45):
Okay, Liam, uh, okay,
Liam, like, I would like to
point to some tweets.
Liam (01:05:52):
Oh my god.
Abaan (01:05:53):
you were actually a known
Local hater, and
Liam (01:05:55):
Oh my, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Abaan (01:05:57):
because I would start
hating Locals too.
Like, I think not winningOrlando Reasons may have been,
like, one of the best thingsthat ever happened to me.
Henry (01:06:06):
alright.
Alright, so what's happening forSan Antonio today?
Okay, okay, I'm gonna ask youthe million dollar question.
Alright, ready?
We can bet on this if you want.
Abaan (01:06:16):
But do I get a hundred
thousand if I don't answer, or
what?
Henry (01:06:21):
You cannot catch it out
and no insurance either.
Okay.
What name the percentages of KYand Octal?
INGOs for?
For San Antonio?
Abaan (01:06:31):
Alright,
Henry (01:06:32):
within a
Abaan (01:06:33):
think Palkia, Noctowl, I
Henry (01:06:35):
4.3 or you know, some
shit like that.
Abaan (01:06:39):
gotchu, I gotchu.
I think Palkia and Noctowlcruises in at a cool 6.
2.
Henry (01:06:44):
Whoa, that's so high.
Liam (01:06:46):
What?
Henry (01:06:46):
high.
Dude.
What
Liam (01:06:47):
That's egregious, bro.
Abaan (01:06:49):
Terapagos, dude,
Archelodon was 6 point something
at Birmingham.
Henry (01:06:53):
do you think?
Everyone
Abaan (01:06:54):
Birmingham.
Liam (01:06:55):
That's not comparable at
all.
That's not comparable at all.
Like, the number of people thatare switching to Palkia and
Noctowl right now has to be so,so, so, so low.
Abaan (01:07:05):
really?
Dude,
Liam (01:07:06):
You
Abaan (01:07:07):
I
Liam (01:07:07):
really think?
Abaan (01:07:08):
and then, like, someone
commented, like, yay, I got to
play my Pulk Intel deck again,and I was like, is that, like,
what these people think?
Like, I I don't even know whatPulk Intel was like, but, like,
maybe, like, maybe that's, like,a huge Okay, I, like, over I
over indexed for that factor,like, I thought there was, like,
Liam (01:07:22):
Well I feel like, I feel
like the people who are saying
it, they're like bringing to awhole globe of fun, but, like I
don't know how many people areactually, like, pulling the
trigger on, like, you know, likeThese are people who have been,
like, you know, they've beenplaying Raging Bullets on Live,
like, you know, uh, once a day,for, like, the last, like, 3
weeks, or something, bro, and,like You think they're really
gonna be like, oh, like, thisPalkia
Abaan (01:07:41):
like
Liam (01:07:41):
like green and purple and
purple, bro, like,
Abaan (01:07:43):
dude, okay, my
understanding though is that
that deck was like every like,everyone who played that format
is like a Palk Intel spammer,right?
So like, I just figured there'dbe like, enough people to come
out the woodworks like, well, itwon everything, like, it did it
did everything last weekend,bro.
It won Rio, it got second,fourth, and fifth like,
Birmingham, like, there was evera reason to just like, random
(01:08:04):
pivot a deck,
Liam (01:08:05):
sure.
Abaan (01:08:06):
I'm sure
Liam (01:08:06):
blow my percentage off,
bro, but like, 6.
2 percent of the room you thinkis falling into this
Abaan (01:08:10):
Fine, fine, fine, fine,
fine.
You're right, you're right.
That was a me just like a 4.
8 final answer.
Don't change my answer anymorethough.
Liam (01:08:18):
I'll say 6.
I'll say 3.
6.
Tropico set?
Uh,
Abaan (01:08:21):
but Liam, you have to go
first.
Where's your Tropicus at?
Liam (01:08:25):
I'll give that 5.
Henry (01:08:27):
say mine.
5.
3.
Liam (01:08:29):
3.
I
Abaan (01:08:30):
think
Liam (01:08:30):
think that's an incredibly
respectable stat.
I have it like right aroundthere as well.
I was gonna say like,
Abaan (01:08:34):
You
Liam (01:08:34):
5.
1.
Abaan (01:08:35):
like, you think Palkia
will be less popular than
Tropicus?
Liam (01:08:38):
Yeah.
There's so many people who haveliterally been doing the thing
where they play their laddergame.
With Terapagos for the lastthree weeks.
There's like way more people ofthat than I think are like
switching to the Palkia diaper.
Henry (01:08:51):
the, the Tropicos.
He's probably gonna show up withit.
Liam (01:08:54):
And like, yeah, I mean,
exactly, like I feel like people
have like more experience withTerapagos.
So they're more likely to sendit.
Abaan (01:09:01):
what they're doing and
play this Palkia deck.
Uh, give me a 3.
7 chip, lock it in.
Final answer.
Henry (01:09:07):
this Palkia deck is
Liam (01:09:08):
that's all I've got.
Henry (01:09:09):
by the way.
I don't think you can pick it upin a week, dude.
dude, it's pretty difficult.
Abaan (01:09:13):
do you mean?
They were playing Palkia Intelfor like two whole years.
Or I don't know how long they'replaying here.
Henry (01:09:16):
Yeah, oh, yeah, I'm sure
Cheren and Energy Switch and,
uh, Can't Think Clone were in,well, actually, they probably
were.
I don't know what these deckslook like.
Shit.
Liam (01:09:25):
Oh, dude, the other thing,
bro, do you know Prismatic
Evolutions like arts are legalfor,
Henry (01:09:30):
I think, yes.
Liam (01:09:31):
um,
Henry (01:09:32):
I think you're allowed
to.
Liam (01:09:33):
yeah, for Simultaneo?
Henry (01:09:33):
Bye.
Liam (01:09:34):
Yeah, bro, the Cheren has
an incredible full art that came
out in Prismatic Evolutions,bro, so, I don't know.
No, yeah, dude, this
Abaan (01:09:41):
the Palkia percentage up
to 10.
Straight, straight to 10.
Oh, you want a
Liam (01:09:47):
Prismatic
Abaan (01:09:47):
10.
Liam (01:09:48):
Evolution set
Abaan (01:09:48):
just to be clear.
Henry (01:09:50):
Okay, I appreciate that.
Liam (01:09:51):
Oh yeah.
I was going to say thisPrismatic Evolution set is like
one of my favorites in a while.
The uh, the arts are justincredible.
There's so many like nice fullart supporters and I'm really in
love with this set.
Abaan (01:10:04):
by the way, that this is
like a million off question.
Like, there's like theMillennium questions, like,
about, like, topology, and,like, if P equals NP, and then
there's just, like, what's themassive percentage of, like,
Palkia knocked out at thisrandom region?
Henry (01:10:14):
like, it's like the only,
like, big, like, I don't even
know if it qualifies as a bigthing, but like, gonna compare
the Birmingham meta to the, uh,to the San Antonio meta, like,
that has to be, like,
Abaan (01:10:23):
Where does Archelodon
sit, do you think?
Like, what is, like, theconclusion from Archelodon
people?
I, uh,
Henry (01:10:28):
a decent tournament.
I don't think it had a
Liam (01:10:29):
You really think so?
I don't know.
I think like, I think it's goingto be less popular.
I don't know.
Like, I just don't feel like asmany Americans want to play it.
I think it'll be really popularin day two, but I don't think
it'll be like as popular in dayone.
I think,
Abaan (01:10:41):
this whole time, like,
they have seen nothing to
switch, even though they didn'treally make top eight.
Henry (01:10:44):
a good tourney.
Abaan (01:10:45):
they're like, oh, well,
we have good results.
Yeah, that's alright.
Henry (01:10:47):
more options to choose
from now, like, it's really hard
to figure out the list for thatdeck, right?
And now they, like, at leastsome people have fleshed it out
a bit for them.
the Banette idea will probablystick pretty well.
Abaan (01:10:58):
Yeah, that's a good idea.
Liam (01:10:59):
um, I think this combo
version is going to be really
popular.
Probably not going to be byexactly us, but.
I think the combo version isgoing to be really popular.
Uh,
Abaan (01:11:08):
That's like the real
question, right?
Is the Pidgeot going to be inthere or are they just going to
play the Squawk and call it aday?
Liam (01:11:15):
I don't know, I think
it'll be like, probably more
Pidgeots than not, but,
Abaan (01:11:21):
Dude, the
Liam (01:11:21):
I don't know, I don't
really think that's like all
that much of an importantquestion, like, I think, um,
like, I don't know, I thinklike, basically Bradner's build
is like
Abaan (01:11:33):
Bradner,
Liam (01:11:33):
pretty good, and it's
like, it's like the same deck.
It's just like,
Abaan (01:11:37):
placements with this
deck.
Bradner's doing this deck?
Liam (01:11:40):
oh yeah,
Henry (01:11:41):
But the problem is, I
don't think people scroll that
far down the limit list, right?
It doesn't even say the Pidgeotnext to it, it just says
Artuladon, right?
Like, they might just not clickit,
Abaan (01:11:49):
No, no, no.
People, like, Sander's tweetgave Liam, like, some traction.
Like, like, on its own, right?
Like, Sander was like, yo, I gotowned by this deck, and then
people were like, eyes are out.
But, it's not that many people,right?
Liam (01:12:02):
I don't know, I've gotten
a decent number of messages
about the deck basically.
I don't know how much of thatconverts into
Henry (01:12:14):
right?
Liam (01:12:16):
it's not even that many,
it's just a few.
Hmm.
Abaan (01:12:28):
like, oh, this is just,
like, a random idea, like,
being, like, brought to thisdeck, so.
I don't know.
Do you wear it, like, okay, Iguess, like, I don't like going
through every single deck, but,like, I just wonder, like,
Henry (01:12:38):
Speaking of going through
every single deck, sorry.
take a look at,
Abaan (01:12:42):
yeah, yeah.
Henry (01:12:43):
a look at, uh, number
Abaan (01:12:45):
Raging Bolt Entei.
Okay, this crystal idea is verycool, and, like, um,
Henry (01:12:52):
it's actually really
funny.
Abaan (01:12:55):
yeah, this is a lit list.
I like this list a lot.
Henry (01:12:59):
Yo.
Abaan (01:12:59):
I don't think it's better
than, like, obviously, I don't
think it's better than the listthat, like, people are playing,
but very cool.
Henry (01:13:05):
I respect.
I just didn't see this before,and I just saw it for the first
time, and I think it's reallyfunny.
Abaan (01:13:11):
I think the problem,
though, is you literally cannot
do the only strategy that makesBolt good, where you just have a
clean, crisp board with a bunchof charms, like, You, like, have
abandoned that completely.
Liam (01:13:21):
Well, you can make up for
that by attacking with Gouging
Fire for 260.
Henry (01:13:28):
combo.
Abaan (01:13:28):
and, like, just random
other guys.
Like, literally just random guysthey pulled from the
Liam (01:13:32):
Oh my god, imagine
Abaan (01:13:33):
play for the
Liam (01:13:33):
if he got you with that
though, bro.
You're like, hit your
Henry (01:13:35):
the Delphox,
Liam (01:13:36):
ego?
Henry (01:13:36):
bro, I would
Liam (01:13:37):
He got you with that.
Yeah.
Henry (01:13:40):
not respect the Delphox
from a raging Voltec, right?
And to be fair, it probablywouldn't happen, because he's
not even playing Luminia on.
Liam (01:13:46):
Crispin, Basin, Prime.
Henry (01:13:48):
I guess he has to care.
Okay.
Abaan (01:13:53):
his deck is so fragile,
like, he's played nine energies,
and, like, Any two of these is,like, kuh.
Well, not any two,
Henry (01:14:00):
Do you
Abaan (01:14:00):
but, like,
Henry (01:14:01):
attack, like, twice?
Well, not that that would everhappen.
You just, like, wouldn't haveenergy to close the game out.
Abaan (01:14:07):
Dude, like, the Delphox,
like, I might think, you might
not even want to play around itas Guardian.
Like, okay, you probably should.
But, like, I'm just saying, ifyou actually do this Lost Zone 2
Liam (01:14:15):
You might want to bait it
so that the energies go away
forever.
Abaan (01:14:18):
played someone in the
Zardmere, like, a long time ago,
and they had Delphox, and Game1, he tried it and lost, and
Game 2, I had the Manaphy in mydeck, and I was just like, You
know what?
Like, try that again, bro, like,you're good.
Henry (01:14:30):
This is in Paradox?
Or is this in Oh,
Abaan (01:14:32):
Oh yeah,
Henry (01:14:33):
it's
Abaan (01:14:33):
slightly before, er, I
don't know, what was Orlando,
Liam?
It was that format.
It was that
Liam (01:14:37):
Yeah,
Abaan (01:14:41):
I just thought that was
so funny.
I was like, go
Liam (01:14:43):
try that one again.
Abaan (01:14:44):
it.
Liam (01:14:45):
Did he try it again or no?
Abaan (01:14:47):
Yeah! Not good, not a
good stat.
Henry (01:14:54):
Okay.
Abaan (01:14:54):
It was pretty funny,
though, he had the Eerie Glow or
whatever, but I was playingMissed Energy.
So, like, after you, like, ranout of energy, he's like, I'm
trying to, like, Eerie Glow myZard, and I was like, okay, I,
like, it's fine, like, when Igot my, like, yeah, I know, but
once I just got a Missed Energythere, I was like, there's no D.
Va on your deck, so MissedEnergy's going on my Zard.
Okay, I mean, it was a prettystandard issue for the time,
that's why you had to putGiacomo in Zard, but,
Henry (01:15:15):
trying to go for like a
Delphox into Devo kind of trick?
You know, hit your Charizard,hit
Abaan (01:15:20):
just wearing the, okay,
like, you're not supposed to
profile your opponent, he waswearing this, like, big
Charizard onesie, And like, heum, he didn't speak like, the
most clearly, so I was like,kind of not worried about Devo.
I like, I don't know, I justlike, those things like, aren't
correlated to me.
Maybe that's like, not good,but,
Henry (01:15:36):
Interesting.
Abaan (01:15:38):
like, he was like, really
like, there to have a good time,
but I didn't think like, Devo'sart enjoyers were like, you
know, good
Liam (01:15:43):
Oh yeah, like they were
not there to have a good time,
they were like trying to likesweat it out and get it done,
right?
Abaan (01:15:49):
to be fair, Henry, like,
maybe this like, this profile is
after the fact, because, I wasplaying Devo Zard and then
afterwards he made a YouTubevideo where he talks about his
report and he like complains forlike 10 minutes about how I'm
like a tryhard sweat.
Henry (01:16:02):
Wait,
Abaan (01:16:03):
He like, demoed his shit,
and like, yeah, it's, like, it
was like an hour and a half longvideo, but like, there's like a
Liam (01:16:07):
I need to go watch that
bro, oh my god.
Abaan (01:16:09):
Yeah, like, I have to
find it.
It's like Sammy, uh, SammyKetchum or something?
Liam (01:16:14):
All right bro.
Abaan (01:16:14):
find it.
But yeah, it's, it's reallyfunny, like, he's like, this guy
is trying so hard, like, like,man, I'm just like,
Liam (01:16:21):
Yeah, I thought we were
all just gonna have a good time,
and I was gonna like run him offthe board with my Delphox, but
he just like kept playing.
Abaan (01:16:27):
D.
Va.
I didn't even do anything yet.
Like, I attached D.
Va to start my turn because Iknew it was happening.
I just wanted to, like, let himknow.
He picked up his cardsimmediately.
Like, he had, like, Candy,Candy, Candy, like, trying to,
like, He kept, like, Candystarting to keep Delboxing, you
know?
And I was like, okay, like,you're gonna run out of Candies
very soon.
And I put the D.
Va down after, like, the thirdCandy and he just picked up his
stuff and just, like, stormedoff, bro.
(01:16:48):
Barely signed the slip, bro.
It was like, uh, whatever.
I don't want to play, like,maybe someone, like, knows Sammy
here.
I don't want to play with himtoo hard.
He was a nice guy.
Just, uh, the best Zard.
Henry (01:16:59):
All right, all right.
Interesting, interesting.
Liam (01:17:03):
Oh my god.
Henry (01:17:06):
There's gonna be all
these goons
Abaan (01:17:07):
But yeah,
Henry (01:17:08):
weekend, even though that
deck sucks.
It just won, so.
Abaan (01:17:13):
I mean, how many people
are going to be playing the
exact 60 from the tournament atBirmingham?
Henry (01:17:18):
think a lot of people who
play there already have the 60
that they like, which all thesedecks are like two or three
cards apart max, like, it'sliterally, it's like the
Liam (01:17:26):
Okay.
Henry (01:17:26):
choice, and like, maybe
like Lost Vacuum or something,
but
Abaan (01:17:29):
I don't know, I think
you'd be surprised, bro.
I think they just think, like,all Zards play the same.
So like, I don't know, thisPokestop guy, he got first, then
second, bro.
Just, like, lock that in, bro.
Like, I don't, like Leave thethingy to a higher power, bro.
Liam (01:17:41):
I think that's a
completely reasonable thing to
say.
I don't know how many peoplelike subscribe to that though.
Henry (01:17:45):
it's not a
Abaan (01:17:46):
yeah, yeah.
Henry (01:17:47):
see, like, no one even
copied my, like, like, you
think, like, if people are,like, copying just, like, the
highest placing list, like,someone would copy, like, the
Gardevoir list from, uh, fromToronto from either me or MD,
but I don't think really anyonedid that, so.
That's not true.
Abaan (01:17:58):
yeah, I was gonna say,
like, if they were doing that,
they'd have to go back to yourBaltimore list because that's
the last time you were thehighest placing guard for.
Liam (01:18:04):
Yeah, I, I, I don't know.
Henry (01:18:06):
bro.
But it was a Mickey Mouse, 36.
Abaan (01:18:09):
Oh, great.
We were the highest placing noncatch finisher.
Like, we were, like, the firstoutside the line of getting
stuff.
Like No, that's the
Liam (01:18:21):
Alright,
Abaan (01:18:21):
Good correction, Henry.
Good correction.
Henry (01:18:23):
I'm glad to
Liam (01:18:24):
uh, this is a good place
to leave it off.
Y'all have anything else youwant to say?
Henry (01:18:26):
Yeah, we'll see
Abaan (01:18:27):
Nah, that's good.
Liam (01:18:29):
Alright, uh, yeah, I'm
gonna ring a bomb, we'll see
y'all in San Antonio.
But John Paul's our
Abaan (01:18:35):
John Paul's our Atra.
Liam (01:18:36):
acro.
Bye Drake!
Abaan (01:18:39):
No, right, just say the
Atra.