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Brent (00:04):
Eban is playing a game on
the ladder that none of us can
see, and he's gonna tell uswhat's
abaan (00:07):
Alright, I mean, uh, this
bit would work better if, uh,
this ladder game wasinteresting.
I'm playing Dango and Tobolt,and uh, we're going 2 2, and I
took 2 first.
a weird game where uh, he, like,I, we're like, it's a rematch,
so it's like the,
Liam (00:23):
this guy didn't even get
one?
abaan (00:24):
yeah, yeah, it's a
rematch.
This guy's like, in his own heador something, like, he, uh, I
don't know what he was thinkingabout, but basically he didn't
want to take one.
He, he just sat there with aGreninja and just He just passed
it over, you know, he was like,uh,
Liam (00:37):
dude, I think, yeah, he
was just, like, waiting for you
to evolve the Dingo and thenkill the Ninja or something,
right?
abaan (00:42):
I just, I waited till I
had like, boss knockout,
Liam (00:45):
Plus,
abaan (00:46):
he's like, uh, he's in
shambles.
Yeah, uh,
Liam (00:50):
Jesus, man.
abaan (00:52):
I feel a little bad.
I feel a little bad for what I'mdoing to this poor ladder guy,
but it is what it is.
Brent (00:56):
This, this, he did not
fully understand that this, that
you understood that it was 2 22.
Liam (01:01):
punish them?
Like, in the sense that, as longas they pair it with a Judge or
something like that, right, likeDisruption Supporter, like, kind
of just build up energies in thediscard with Ninja and, like,
compress your deck with Stop,but, like, would you say that's,
like, a significant bump toyour, like, ability to hit this
Return KO?
abaan (01:17):
actually think your best
bet is if you play Bravery Charm
or whatever, you just take theknockout, and uh,
Liam (01:22):
Charm KO, Turn 2, and just
hope there's not, yeah.
abaan (01:25):
If you wait, you're like
guaranteed to lose, and there's,
there's like, there's never asituation where I evolve Nodango
so quickly.
Speculatively like it is true.
Waiting doesn't really punish'embecause like, not gonna evolve
in a dangos and start drawingand thin that way.
I'm only ninja and stopping.
So like, yes, they um, do havethe option if they play judge,
(01:45):
to wait and judge and take theknockout.
And I think it's actually likenot bad, but this guy doesn't
even have judge, so I don't knowwhat his.
Liam (01:52):
Yeah.
Yeah.
I, I assume if you're playingia, you're kind of just like,
but yeah, if you compare it withjudge, there's like a world and
like you would also, or alsoshould only do this two until
like really strong starts andwhere you're gonna like, judge
turn three.
Right.
Or like immediately after thesour,
abaan (02:07):
Yeah, exactly.
You, I think the thing isthough, like this is like a very
high level thing, but it's likewe actually might circle back to
the point where like the, likethe, the one IQ just hit with
your bolt and take your prizeand see what happens is like
optimal, like I think like thejust wait and try to pair with
(02:27):
the judge is like the middle ofthe curve and like the top end
is like just take the presentand see if they have it.
And the bottom end of the curveis take the presidency if have
it.
And it's just, that's justcorrect.
Liam (02:37):
Yeah.
And I, I think this is like onlylike a single hand, right?
Which is like, you rip the SOS.
And, like, they have, like, fourgimmies down, and, like, their
hand is just, like, you know,all the indicators screen that
their hand is loaded, and, like,then you wait and you rip the
judge, and you're, like,guaranteed gonna hit the judge
(02:57):
the next turn, right?
abaan (02:59):
to, um, not to mention
other content creators, but
I've, uh, I've been enjoyingRowan's stuff.
And, uh, he actually
Liam (03:07):
Did you, did you watch his
Game Theory video?
Yeah.
abaan (03:10):
I loved it.
Liam (03:11):
Yeah, so, yeah, I just
watched it as well.
It's I don't know.
This is all stuff, obviously,that we, like, you kind of know
intuitively, but he, he did,like, such a good job putting it
into words.
abaan (03:23):
I think that about
Liam (03:24):
Like, every small read,
abaan (03:25):
one he made, ago.
Oh,
Liam (03:29):
no, I didn't, but I'll go
watch that for this.
abaan (03:34):
Raging Bolt turns, and,
like, every time I thought he
was gonna make a minor slip upNot that I was, like, rooting
against him.
He, like, paused.
And he did exactly, like, what Ithought, and I was like, dang,
this guy's so, like, in tunewith everything, like, like, in
all, like, he, because he made aframework of, like, how you
should think about these spots,right?
So I was worried that, like, inthis framework, he was gonna
get, like, too locked into it,and, like, make some mistakes,
(03:56):
and then he goes, here's thepart where you deviate from the
framework, and it was everysingle time, like, never did he
get trapped in his own frameworkthinking, I was like, ooh.
This guy's actually insane.
Liam (04:07):
Yeah, I know, it's so
good, oh my god, like, like, if
you haven't watched that video,you should.
This is, this is like, maybe thebiggest thing, I think, like,
when you, when you can tellyou're against somebody who's
really good, and somebody who'snot as good.
When it, which, it's like,because of like, small stuff
like this, you can feel likethey know every card in your
hand.
(04:27):
You know, like, everything thatyou don't want to see them do,
they do, right?
Like, this is why, this is whywhen you're playing as Henry,
and he's playing Garde, alwaysplays the right supporter on
turn one.
And like,
abaan (04:38):
Dude, he is
Liam (04:40):
it's partly, it's partly
that he's a turbosack, like,
it's also partly because henever makes the wrong read.
He always knows if your hand isgood or not.
So like, and every time yourhand is good, he's ripping the
Iona.
Every time it's bad, he'sripping the Argon.
And like, he's lucky to alwayshave the right supporter in
hand, it's also partly becausehe always makes the right
choice.
abaan (04:58):
uh, yeah, I think the
other thing about that video
that I thought was superinteresting was, like, he was
making some reads that, uh,like, about the Super Rod.
Like, I think the Ultra Ballone, it was he was talking about
it, like, there's not a lot ofcards better than the Super Rod.
And, like, it's interesting,because I remember when we were
talking about, like, optimalPokemon, like, at some point,
we're gonna get to a point wherecomputers will realize, like,
(05:20):
when need that extra super
Liam (05:22):
Yeah, no, obviously,
obviously this framework, like,
it, him putting it like thatmade me like, kind of realize,
like, damn bro, every time I sitacross from Rowan now, I have
to, um, I have to like, notattach energy turn one when I'm
like, fiending for Iona, orsomething like that, you know?
Like, like,
abaan (05:36):
I think he was
Liam (05:37):
Jesus, bro.
abaan (05:38):
locked in on they have a
draw supporter.
I think there was this oneexample that he showed with the
Mew for one, where he they alsoall the
Liam (05:46):
Yeah, but the, the Mew for
one, I thought the Mew for one,
the way I interpreted that waslike, they're desperately
fiending for energy, but theirhand is fine,
abaan (05:52):
exactly, I thought the
exact same thing.
I was like, Rowan's like, Iwouldn't feel bad Iono ing here,
I was like, I would feelterrible Iono ing here.
This guy is begging,
Liam (06:00):
Yeah, yeah, this guy.
abaan (06:01):
more cards
Liam (06:02):
Exactly, exactly.
Like, this guy needs energiesright now, right?
abaan (06:06):
I'm glad I'm glad that we
had the same thought, but I'm
not gonna be cringe, you know,I'm not gonna sit there in the
YouTube comments like, In theten examples you showed, in one
of them I didn't like theanalysis, I thought it was a
little off.
Like, I think that's, I don'tknow, I think maybe you can
learn from that, but I thoughtit was a little, I'd be a little
cringe.
Brent (06:23):
Guys, I, I assume you,
you have, uh, never bothered to
look at the, uh, Reddit PokemonTCG, uh, channel,
abaan (06:30):
get
Brent (06:30):
but there was a
abaan (06:31):
yeah, I never look on my
own very well.
Brent (06:33):
There, somebody asked a
question, uh, uh, like today,
and there were like 30 answersand every answer was like a page
long essay, and, and thequestion was, uh, how come,
like, early game, every time Iplay Iono, My opponents
immediately like, Oh, my headwas trashed.
Thank God.
(06:54):
And whenever that guy plays Ionaon me, my hand's a bomb and I
lose everything.
these people are like, I haveseven, you know, he's like, what
should I do differently?
And people are like, I have 13reasons and 13 things to factor
into my analysis of whether ornot I should play an early Iona.
Let me walk you through each ofthem right now.
I was like, Oh my God.
(07:14):
I
abaan (07:21):
meme, where it's like,
People at the bottom end, like,
bro, they didn't, I'll just lookat my own hand and play Iota,
you know?
And then, like, at the top,they're like, my opponent, he
was, he blinked, like, threetimes before passing over, which
meant, like, he liked three ofthe cards.
And so, I'm gonna actually haveto hold this Iota.
And the top end is like, yeah.
My hands like all right, theirhands like all right, I'll just
Iona.
Brent (07:47):
mean, so, so much of
Pokemon early is like, if you
don't get your stuff going, thenlike, you're just done for.
The way he implies that he'slike, agonizing over it, it's
like, dude, like, what's yourboard state look like?
Do you need it to progress?
If so, you could play this cardand get six new cards.
abaan (08:04):
so that you're like,
slightly, like, slightly
hindered by not having Iona.
Like you have a great hand, butyou don't have it all.
Like I'd rather just draw apass, set up nothing.
I had it
Brent (08:16):
so, so, uh, there's a
tournament this weekend?
Louisville?
abaan (08:20):
next, next, next weekend.
Brent (08:22):
Next weekend.
Next weekend.
What, what are people going toplay?
Liam (08:26):
this week! It's a Pidgeot.
Brent (08:31):
Uh, uh, what, what are,
what deck is going to win the
tournament?
abaan (08:34):
Oh, whatever deck,
whatever deck I Can I walk in?
Brent (08:39):
That's what I like to
hear.
abaan (08:41):
Dude, will say, okay,
this Pidgeot deck, it's, it's
lit, for sure, like, whateverlist I end up, like, whatever
list I, like, work on for that,but, I don't know, man, I'm
scared to get it done, like,it's like, all these, oh,
there's so many worrying things,Duskhorse,
Liam (08:57):
dude.
I feel like I feel that way.
Like every format, right?
Like pre-World, I'm like, JesusChrist bro.
Like there's so much stuff andlike your matchups are just a
little bit suss here and likeall that now, like obviously
though, like we reflect on thatformat now, bro.
was lit, bruh.
The Pidgeot was lit.
And like, you just, you have tofind a way to get it done, bro.
(09:18):
And like, I feel like you alwayslike, underestimate the
matchups, because you're also soused to the matchups just being
like, incredible.
You know what I mean?
Like, what you want is like, wewere at the end of the format.
Where you're like, the matchupsare just like, everything.
100 0 everything.
Like, you sit across, you'regetting it done.
like, even when that's not thecase, You still have, like, a
(09:38):
pretty good matchup spread.
Like, it doesn't have to be 1000 everything to be a good
matchup spread.
abaan (09:43):
but I feel like at the
end of every Pidgeot, we do, we,
we, we solve it, we've crackedit, like, I think LA format, we
had the best Pidgeot list, Ididn't get to play NAIC format,
so I don't really know, And thenWorlds format, like, obviously
by Baltimore, we have thePidgeot list, like, I'm sure
that, over time, we'll come itup, like, figure it out, but the
problem is that you're not goingto play any tournaments in this
format, and like, man, I, I, uh,I can't do it without you, no
(10:04):
glaze, bro, I, I can't, I can'tjust, like, all these lists out
from scratch, I need, uh, I needassistance, I need backup, bro,
it's too hard.
And Leo, when I, when he doesn'thave a tournament, is such a
bomb, by the way, I'll be like,how do you solve this matchup?
He goes, I'm not going to anevent.
I don't need to solve thismatchup.
Ah, like,
Liam (10:25):
I know, I, yeah, that's my
favorite, that's my favorite
response.
Every time he says, asks me aquestion, very happy I don't
have to answer that question.
It's very difficult.
abaan (10:34):
Yeah, exactly.
Not really helpful.
Liam (10:36):
very difficult question.
I'm very happy I don't have toanswer it.
Uh, I'll let, I'll let youfigure that one on your own,
bro.
Brent (10:41):
You know what, that's at
least way more honest than,
like, refer to my GoFundMe toencourage me to figure it out.
abaan (10:48):
GoFundMe.
Yeah, actually, if Liam hit mewith, like, that'll be 25, I
might just, I might just put thecredit card Desperation.
Brent (10:58):
yeah,
abaan (10:58):
to
Brent (10:58):
yeah.
It'd be like, do you want me tosolve the format?
Then send me to Louisville so Ican solve the format.
Like, click here.
Ding! So,
abaan (11:10):
He's not helpful at all
when he's not playing at the
thing.
Like, I need Liam's gearsturning and then I can like, I
can like, you know, turn acouple dials, you know?
Oh, okay, like, that was wrong.
Like, let me fix that rightthere.
giving me nothing, bro! Heliterally sent me, like, the
most cringe, like, Zard listtoday, and I was like, bro, this
looks like worse Zard.
I was like, how do you goagainst Paul?
He goes, Just, like, hit thepoll and, like, go from there.
(11:32):
are you talking about?
Like, what happens when they,like, hit you?
Like, why didn't Zard beat poll?
He was just like, I don't know,bro.
The Retreat Lock package is toobad.
Take prizes.
It was, it was actually, ugh,man, it was useless.
It was useless information.
Liam (11:46):
No, because it's because
the players are like
irresponsible.
Like, like I, I, I actually feelpretty confident with Z and de
Polt.
I think, um, much any attackingdeck into de Polt, I feel pretty
good because like Polt at thispoint.
It's been reduced to a gimmick.
They literally get out oneDragapult and see if it wins the
(12:07):
game.
Like, that's what they do.
like, all they do is just like,yeah, they like turn two,
crystal attached, boom! Hit youas hard as they can.
And if that doesn't win the gameright then and there, they are
like actually cooked.
So like, if I get a Zard up andI hit the thing for like 180,
I'm like, I feel so comfortablein that spot.
I'm like, you know, your pulsegoing down next turn, your
(12:28):
crystal's gone, you're cooked.
abaan (12:30):
know, I agree with what
you're
Liam (12:32):
the gimmick's done.
abaan (12:33):
they are, like, super
especially this new list.
But this new list, like, when Iwas playing it, I think Like, I
think when I was watching theJapanese players play it, I was
inspired, you know?
Like, oh, wow.
There's so much to this deck.
Like, you don't need Pidgeot andXatu and all these cards.
Like, all these cards arecrutches.
Like, give me, like, a two Pultattacks, and, like, I'll figure
Liam (12:50):
The Pidgeot is not a
crutch.
abaan (12:52):
It's not a crutch.
All I'm saying is that, like,you don't need as many cards as
you think to get it done.
Like, all of a sudden, like,you, like, Pult?
And you hit,
Liam (12:59):
Yeah, yeah, I know, with
the crystal, like, bro, it, it's
actually so annoying, I, I, I'vescooped on the spot to so many
Dragonbolt decks that I look, Ilook at my hand and I like, I
know I just have to like fold toa Turn 2 Pulse, right?
Like, it, it, like, Drago hit inturn 2, Ra Pult.
It's disgusting.
Criminal work, right?
And then like, you know, theyjust like, start the Dreepy,
Nesball, Rotom, and like, youknow, they have like an A card
hand.
(13:19):
I didn't start with Iona, and Ijust like pass, and then boom.
They're all over me.
Candy.
abaan (13:24):
It's not just Like, this,
Liam (13:26):
Crystal.
Boom.
abaan (13:28):
it's like, they hit all
the different types of combos
that you could ever imagine.
And, like,
Liam (13:34):
Yeah, no, I think popping
the Dusler is really important.
abaan (13:36):
my hands in the air, man.
Like, second Pult, you caughtme, like, I'm never winning.
Like, if they ever Crisp it andset oh, good game.
Liam (13:45):
I, I, I agree, but like,
like, they always need two Pult
to finish the game out, but thefirst Pult is going, like,
almost the whole way, right?
And, like, if it doesn't goalmost the whole way, then,
like, the second Pult, like, it,it doesn't get it done, right?
Because that's, like, That's howyou can tell that you've kind of
stabilized a little bit, right?
Like, if you're able to just,like, take out the first pulls,
like, instantly, they are,they're cooked.
abaan (14:06):
deck does crazy work to
the pull, like, oof, hard, hard,
hard for them to win, hard forthem to win for sure.
Liam (14:11):
Yeah, bro.
abaan (14:12):
my goodness, uh, full
disclosure guys, oh,
Brent (14:17):
Abad, did you play any
tournaments last weekend?
You
abaan (14:23):
say, I,
Liam (14:24):
Why don't you tell us
about that?
abaan (14:25):
no, I was playing Dango,
it was easy, I, I, we split top
4.
Liam (14:28):
Oh, yeah, no, like, two
weekends ago, right?
Or something?
abaan (14:31):
Uh, oh,
Liam (14:32):
We did the 1K?
No,
abaan (14:37):
yeah, trust bro.
And then I lost to someoneplaying like my own Dango 60 and
he washed me.
I was like, wow, this is crazy,man.
And then I just like fullbricked against the Terrapagos
Dusknoir.
It was like a kid too.
No, no flame or anything, butlike, he just like, literally
like, losing to kids is just sofrustrating because like,
(14:58):
they're just like giggling thewhole time, like Dusknoir, haha,
Dusknoir again, like, man.
Liam (15:09):
dude, the other thing
about playing against kids is,
like, It's the most infuriatingthing ever, whenever I'm playing
against somebody who's like,moving without intention, right,
like, there's no direction intheir play, and like, they're
kinda just, you know, they'reclicking the cards that light
up, right, and like, thenthey're getting you?
It's like random chance, bro,like, they're just, they're
lucky they clicked the right oneat the right time, bro, they're
(15:30):
like, they like, rolled a dicefor the card to play in their
hand, and it turns out to be theone that cooks me?
It's crazy!
abaan (15:36):
I was like, man, game
two, if I just get into a
Klefki, his hand is completelybricked.
I look at my hand, it's justnothing, man, nothing.
Like, I'm going first, I'msupposed to be able to get into
Klefki.
Every single time I playedagainst Henry in this matchup,
we've played like, like 12 gamesof Tarapakos versus, uh,
Gardevoir.
Every single time I'm goingsecond, I'm Klefkied.
Without fail.
I thought it was impossible,bro.
(15:57):
I look at my hand, I was like,there's nothing anyone could do
about this.
There's no Klefki out.
Oh,
Brent (16:07):
know what, for all of
Liam saying that Back when he
was a junior and senior, he usedto feast on getting like, uh,
grouped in with masters at likeleague challenges and stuff.
abaan (16:17):
with less direction than
like, Masters.
Maybe he had more direction thanthe average junior but like, it
was just,
Brent (16:23):
Yeah.
Well, but that, yeah, they wouldsit down and they would be like,
oh, he's, he's got these, he hasabsolutely no idea what's going
on.
Uh, I'm going to cook this kid.
And then like, Liam would flipover the Pidgey Control and
they'd be like, ah, I alreadybenchlocked myself.
abaan (16:36):
wait, did you
Brent (16:37):
And it was over.
abaan (16:38):
at all, I was like,
Liam (16:40):
no.
abaan (16:41):
Ha,
Liam (16:42):
during that era.
abaan (16:42):
feel like you'd be such a
virgin, like, kid.
Like, actually, like, just
Liam (16:48):
Yeah, I am looking back.
I'd rather play Virgin
abaan (16:50):
like, attach.
Liam (16:51):
Like, playing
Brent (16:51):
It, if we could go back
and do it all over, it would be
a Veltal Garb or Virgin all theway.
And Plasma would be the worst.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yet, there we were.
abaan (16:59):
in time and play Iblis
Hulgarb, oh my goodness, I wish
I could, bro.
I think about that all the time,like, what a missed opportunity,
playing all these stupid assdecks instead of just Iblis
Hulgarb
Liam (17:07):
Yeah, dude, no, like, I, I
actually, Mike would, Mike would
call me, uh, an idiot for sayingthis, and maybe he's right, but,
I, like, I feel like the game'sevolved, like, so much.
I, I feel like that RowanStabenow's video, it would be,
like, blowing to these people,like, ten years ago, bro.
Like, me back there?
(17:29):
I would do, like, crazy things
abaan (17:31):
your
Liam (17:31):
to these people, bruh.
abaan (17:32):
on doesn't have energy.
Wha is going on?
I'll hold this end.
Liam (17:37):
yeah, like,
abaan (17:38):
I'll hit that re I'll hit
that Sycamore.
Liam (17:42):
yeah, I don't know, I,
yeah, exactly.
I feel like the, um, the levelof understanding is so, so much
higher now.
Like, even just think about itin terms of this Pidget deck.
Take somebody from 10 years agoand have them try to build a
Pidget list.
Their mind would literallyexplode.
Like, it's, like, actuallyimpossible, I think.
abaan (18:03):
don't know.
I I don't know
Liam (18:04):
Like,
Brent (18:04):
It was just a different
era, man.
abaan (18:06):
about that era to
confidently say that's true.
Liam (18:10):
the reason that I, I
didn't really talk about this
last week, I was tellingsomebody this, or, no, I think I
was saying this on a privatecall.
Um, like, the reason that I knowthis is true is because it took
us so long to get to where weare, because I was just thinking
about this in terms of, like,one year ago.
Like, one year ago, think aboutthe, where PidgetLists were at,
abaan (18:31):
Okay,
Liam (18:31):
right?
And, like, this was the best wecould do, right?
We, like, we thought we werelit.
And, like Knowing what we knownow though, we'd build those
Pidget Lists like so different,like I, I, I think we could go
back, like, we just,
abaan (18:44):
with Pidgeot.
I agree with this.
This is, like, for sure true.
Liam (18:47):
and like, yeah, right,
like, like entire year of
experience is like, it's like,completely like game changing.
Right?
And like, you take somebodywithout that experience, I think
they're cooked.
abaan (18:58):
people would, like,
Pidgeot was, like, something
you'd, like, Ah, yeah, someweird control players were gonna
play it, but, like, Now, it's soaccepted.
Like, I am totally notunsurprised if I slip over and
they're playing Pidgeot as well,or something, like, it's so
normalized, like Blockbox iseverywhere, Blockbox is a
legitimate play, like, dude, Iremember when this thing was
like super niche, and like,obviously, Counterculture got
(19:19):
printed, which changedeverything, like, but pre
Counterculture, uh, it was, wejust didn't have the tools to
play a lot of these decks, like,perfectly, I'm sure there was a
page out list that was stilllit, but this Counterculture
card, like, broke everything,but, I, I'm surprised that it
became so mainstream, like, Ithought, Lux and like, that kind
of stuff would still just belike a fringe deck.
But it just keeps winning, solike, at some point, like,
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everyone wants to win, you know?
Liam (19:45):
Yeah,
Brent (19:46):
So,
Liam (19:47):
it's crazy.
Brent (19:49):
so, so, uh, how much did
Liam, uh, playing the Cup last
weekend influence how you thinkabout, uh, Louisville strategy,
Yvonne?
abaan (19:58):
Ah, dude, that Pidgeot,
like, I think Pidgeot's fine.
It's just, I don't have thesolutions yet for all these
matchups, I'm like, a littlenervous.
Like, I, I like playing, like,Liam's kind of right about my
psyche about this, so it's like,I feel uncomfortable playing
Pidgeot unless I feel like allthe matchups are like, 80 20.
And when I'm like, going in, I'mlike, ugh, this one's a 50 50.
Liam (20:17):
Yeah, like,
abaan (20:18):
I don't want to play 50
Liam (20:20):
more comfortable, like, I
feel like for is like, what,
yeah, I was talking with, uh,all about Blitzle, James
Kowalski, last night about this,um, you're looking, you're
looking for like the flowchartfor Pidget, right?
Like, you want to go in and havea plan, right?
And like, It's a little bitdifferent from other decks,
right?
Because other decks, even whenthere's no, like, real plan, you
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can just hit them really hard,right?
But when there's no plan forPidget, Where do you even start,
bro?
Because your neck does not hithard.
And like, if you don't have aplan, there's like, there's
nothing to do, right?
Like if, um, you, you, you don'thave like a very like,
realistically attainable likeend state, right?
Like, know, where like againstDrago, you go for gensec tool,
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PON retreat lock or somethinglike that, right?
Like, you wanna make somethinglike very straightforward and
like, um, that, that, that canbe done at like the very top end
for both decks, right?
Like, assuming everybody dideverything right and they hit
everything that they need,what's your game plan to win?
Um, I don't know.
At least right now, I don't havean event, so I'm like, get to
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take this time to like, exploreand try to learn, uh, improve my
understanding of the game.
I'm trying to, I'm in the forestright now.
Like, trying to without theflowchart.
Like, just like, hit them andsee what happens.
abaan (21:37):
like, I just like, oh,
I'll try Chiu here, and then
like, like, that's the thing,like, exactly, you've like,
tackled all the problems here,like, yes, I do feel like that
way, like, I need a plan,because it sucks, like, you
like, hit the nuts, you likePidgeot, and you're like, okay,
Liam (21:53):
Yeah, there's like, no way
forward, right?
abaan (21:55):
then the other thing is
like, yeah, if I didn't have an
event, I'd be like, okay, well,first plan, I'm gonna just try
Chiu ing them with a cape.
See what happens.
Ooh, ran out of pennies.
Alright, we'll try again withuh, we'll try it last try.
We'll see how that goes.
Okay, okay, this didn't workeither.
We'll try bear sweeping.
Like, I don't want to wastelike, like, a week out, I don't
want to waste like, just beinglike, well, I tried jamming Chi
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Yu and I just kept gettingowned.
Then I tried jamming Luxray, andthat was alright.
That worked okay, but not goodenough.
Then I tried bear sweeping, andthey always had VAC, or
something.
I don't know, like, I just don'twant to like, I don't want to do
that.
I think that's like, feels bad.
Liam (22:32):
I love that.
I'm in the force.
But yeah, I don't have an eventcoming up, so there's no
urgency.
I don't have to deal with
abaan (22:39):
You
Liam (22:40):
urgency to, like, quickly
develop, like, plans, you know?
abaan (22:43):
like, I'll talk about
this for briefly.
I think this Dango deck, dude, Idon't want to play it again.
I don't want to play it becauselike, I hate that you're just
like a passenger sometimes.
But, it's matchup spread is lit.
And like, if anyone like, camehere wondering like, my opinion
on I don't know if peopleactually do that.
But, if you want to know myopinion on Dango after seeing
Yale get third, That list is,uh, is actually terrible, like,
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uh, it's so bad, this, heliterally commented, he made
this one reply on a tweet thatlike, like, actually, I started
Liam (23:13):
It sent him, bro.
This
abaan (23:20):
like, the dangles help
draw into other dangles, it was
like a Ponzi scheme, likeliterally a Ponzi scheme, like,
We start with one dango, andthen he brings two dangos, and
then they bring two more dangos,like, where is the first dango
coming from, like, where, whatis the principle of all of this,
like, couldn't believe what Iwas reading, and, like, I, like,
I tried in an open mind, becauseI think it's very bad to be
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dismissive without trying atall, like, just look at it and
be like, ah, this must beterrible, I played his list, I'm
not gonna accuse Yellow ofanything, but I don't know how
he made it, I have no clue, Itseems impossible to me.
Like, I tried my best.
Liam (23:56):
guy's the golden god, bro.
You just, you aren't doing
abaan (24:00):
you I'm a very
Liam (24:01):
stuff the way he does.
abaan (24:02):
I was not getting it done
with his list.
Well, I was getting it done inthe spots that Dango gets it
done, like, anyways.
And like, I was
Liam (24:08):
This guy was just dogging
people all weekend.
Relentlessly.
They sit down?
abaan (24:13):
match up spread is really
good.
It's actually, like, insane tothis Terapagos deck, because
Terapagos doesn't one shotDango's.
Like, you just, if you go first,and you get a couple Dango's
out, you're chilling.
If you go first and get thePalkia down, oh my god, it's
unlosable.
And then you evolve the Palkiato V Star, and then, let's say
you have the most terrible turnof all time, you don't fight a
single energy card, just jam thePalkia, use the attack, and it
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does 300 like, stop, like, Youdon't even have to think about
it.
You do enough damage to knockthem out.
And like, with that insurance inmind, like, and they don't watch
out that we start back, like, Ohman, that matchup's free.
Liam (24:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.
Like, they, their path forwardis like, they have to like,
Duskner to take a prize, right?
To like, take knockouts, right?
And like, then we get to, offthe Duskner hand like, yeah,
sorry about that.
Brent (24:58):
So, you know, speaking of
which, uh, uh, speaking of
talking about, like, uh, howit's super broken, this, this
pidget list is, I feel like theTwittersphere has been saying
that Duskner is the most brokencard in the universe, and, like,
I understand why they say that,but is, like, I guess the
question I wanted to ask is, ayear from now, will you guys
look back and say, we could havebuilt that Duskner list and won
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every tournament so easily?
abaan (25:23):
Probably.
I think so.
I think we will say that Liam,but we don't, we don't see it
yet.
Like, I think we're like, like,
Liam (25:30):
I don't know.
I, I don't, I don't think thecard is like, it, it just
doesn't strike.
I, I think, know.
I think the um, like the Pidget,the Pidget, Duskner, Luxray,
Reversal stuff, I think that'spretty cool.
But like, card is not It's notas like, fundamentally, very
fundamentally strong I think,like it's, it just lets you
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accelerate the game.
Like, popping it in quantitiesof more than one, is like,
you're basically just tradinglike two for two.
It doesn't up trade.
And like, yeah, it's um,
abaan (26:07):
that there's like, this
Duster card solo, I agree with
the concept, which is why Idon't think in the Shroud of
Fable format it was that strong.
Briar and Noctowl, Noctowlespecially, like, kind of makes
me think that there must besomething crazy out there, that
it's like, beyond mycomprehension at this very
moment, and I think I'm, I thinkit'd be short sighted of me to
say that there's nothing crazyout there.
Like that, Dusknoir is not themost broken deck, like, somehow.
Liam (26:31):
I, I, I think the some,
the Turapaco stuff in there is
probably just the best deck Ithink, yeah, I, I, I think
there's a way to make that deckwork and like, you just, you,
you hit the shenanigans everytime, you know, and like, prize
maps are just insane with Yeah,like this dust brear combo.
Um, but I dunno, like I justcall it a piggy deck.
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a pitch deck.
abaan (26:53):
if you if the 101 Pidgeot
line in that deck qualifies it
as a Pidgeot deck, then yes.
Pidgeot is the best deck in
Liam (26:59):
it, dude.
Like, tell me, tell me.
It's not a pitch deck, like 0 1pitch.
It, it's, it's the entire deck.
Every time that you prize one ofthe pigeon pieces, you're like,
oh my God, bro.
Like, I'm gonna pop two dustersand I desperately need to rip
the pigeon here.
Like
abaan (27:14):
a Pidgeot deck.
I I And you're playingFeatherball just for Pidgeot,
like, it
Liam (27:16):
it's essential.
You just, I, I, I think that'sexactly the conclusion that Tori
came to.
I, er, this guy's jamming thePidget to every event too, bro.
He knows it's insane.
Um, which is like, this like,Noctowl Featherball Rare Candy
is elite.
Like, what's the best way to getthis thing in, in there?
(27:37):
Play the Tarapagos, bro.
And like, the Tarapagos strategyis like, very good.
Like, this um, your prizemapping and like, running it
down is like, like a very goodstrategy.
That's like, ideal turns thatyou want to be pulling off, and
the Pidgey just lets you make ithappen, bro.
And like, uh, he had success
abaan (27:52):
off
Liam (27:53):
with it, I think.
Um,
abaan (27:54):
I guess it's not a direct
build, but I think it's pretty
comparable.
It's like, do you think thisPedro list of Regidrago is it?
I think it's him, bro.
I I, like, thought about itmore, and like, I know when you
first told me, I, like, had areally body response, because I
didn't really understand theconcept, but I think it's so
good.
Like, this
Liam (28:11):
yeah, I, I, I don't know,
when I first saw it, I was like,
European players.
But then, then I like, I had theidea later on, and I was like,
dude, like, Pedro had this idea.
Um,
abaan (28:21):
Oh, if anyone's
wondering, he got
Liam (28:23):
for anyone unfamiliar,
abaan (28:24):
with, um, with Scoop Up
Cyclone, Penny, uh, and Neuvern
in his Regidrago list.
And the idea is, um, like, Ididn't even see it at first
because I didn't realize whatNeuvern's second attack does.
It stops you from playingspecial energy cards in
stadiums, I believe.
So you can basically stick a
Liam (28:39):
Yes.
abaan (28:40):
And they can't play any
more DTs from their hand, and
the DTs that they do have inplay are only good for one
energy.
then, even if they do have liketwo DTs on the board, like,
okay, like, I'll figure it out,I'll just, I'll just two shot
it, like, you're still doing140, and like,
Liam (28:55):
And I, um, I thought about
this too, I think the second DTE
attach is like, straight upillegal because you're no longer
one shotting Ogre Pawns orDragos, so like, you can't like,
second DTE on turn two, like,that's just like, illegal.
You know, you fall behind,right?
abaan (29:09):
And then it's also his
Raging Bolt dancer as well,
which is like, so sick.
Because,
Liam (29:14):
yeah, exactly, like,
abaan (29:16):
Penny,
Liam (29:16):
get to use the Noivern and
like, both.
Both angles, right?
abaan (29:20):
clear your board so
you're actually solo Draugr ing
them.
Because, like, Bolt is actuallyso, so fast and, like, so
consistent that I'm, like, supersus if you still have something
on the bench.
Like, they can double
Liam (29:32):
Yeah, no, no, no, 100%.
You have to clear.
Their, like, um, linearity is,like, also the advantage in
helping you clear.
Like, you can very easily, like,force them into certain targets
to help you,
abaan (29:44):
Because end of the game.
Like, you have a lot of time.
Liam (29:47):
Yeah, before they take
six, right?
abaan (29:50):
so, yeah, I think that,
that is, like, the way to play
Draugr going forward.
Liam (29:53):
And also, like, he has all
these, like, gimmicks, but it's
also, like, it's still Drago,right?
You know, they draw a pass onturn one, he's still just
running them down, right?
Like, it's not like, you know,when I first had this Neuvern
idea, I'm like, dude, do Ireally have to, like, jam this
Neuvern and, like, really go forit?
But no, like, he still has,like, a very, a very solid,
like, versatile deck.
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He just also, like, sometimes hejust gimmicks you, right?
abaan (30:16):
for example, right?
Pult is doing crazy tricks toyou, and you hit him with a
double scoop of Cyclone?
Oh, it's over.
They try to do some, like,nonsense, like, 200 here, 20
here, 20 here, 20 here, I'llpick up the 200,
Liam (30:27):
Yeah, bro, the Boss Fez
200,
abaan (30:30):
Boss Fez, scoop up the
Fez, I'll also be star scoop up
the Squawk from turn one, andI'll hit you for I'll I'll Pult
you.
Good luck, bro.
Like, I think that the deck is,uh, it's very good.
I think, uh, and I don't knowhow he got top 128, but then I
realized something.
That doesn't actually mean thathe did bad.
He might have literally been,like, in cut contention and,
like, lost a game.
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Or, like, I don't know, maybetied a game he was, like, about
to, like, win or something.
And, like, like, top 128doesn't, like, the results
doesn't bad.
It's not that bad.
Liam (31:01):
yeah, yeah, exactly, like,
it's um,
abaan (31:03):
Half a game out.
Liam (31:06):
We can respect the idea,
there's no reason to like
dismiss it just because he like,he kinda bombed out a little
bit, right, like, um, mhm, dude,uh, players, bro, like, you
should assume that theseplayers, like, if you know that
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they're good players, you shouldassume that they, uh, they're
like, they're not doingsomething like idiotic, bro,
right, like, yeah, exactly,like,
abaan (31:34):
You know, one thing I was
wondering, your opinion on, we
haven't talked about this atall, is this Draugr line in
Terrapagos, like, Terrapagos orwhatever.
I know the Schultz brothersplayed it, and Torrid didn't
play it, and like, obviously, wegot a default to like, what
Torrid's 60 is, and like, Idon't want to deviate too much
from Torrid, but, when I wasplaying the deck, I couldn't
tell if this Draugr line was winmore, or like, or it was
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actually making me win games,because I was like, I couldn't
tell the difference, it's so
Liam (32:00):
it's really hard.
abaan (32:01):
because when I had it up,
I was like, I will never lose
this game in a million years,when I have this draw go unused,
but it seems like, I'm sure Tordhad the idea, and he came to the
conclusion, it's like, ever soslightly, win more.
But, I don't know, man, like,this, like, using it and getting
a whole other Dusknoir line orgetting a Briar, it lets you be,
like, so, like, frivolous withyour resources
Liam (32:22):
Yeah, I know, like,
you're, mm hmm, you're like,
just have to, it's similar toDrago, right?
Like, you just have to, you justget, get to, like, two prizes,
right?
Or, like, get, like, almost tothe finish line, and you got the
Drago, and you're, like, lockedup, right?
You're 100 percent converting,
abaan (32:37):
with this deck,
Liam (32:38):
right?
Yeah, exactly.
abaan (32:40):
without using Dragobeast
Star, and then it's like, Yeah,
I'll figure out a way to, like,Dusknoir Dusknoir Briar, like,
I'll figure it out, just, like,Leave that to me.
I've had some sick games withyou, like Dusknoir,
Liam (32:49):
close to the finish line,
right?
Mm hmm.
abaan (32:51):
Dusknoir again, good
game.
Liam (32:55):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that,
that really is the craziest
part, like, that's, that's whenthe Duskner, like, really feels
like it changes games, right,when you, like, Briar and then
Duskner and let them go to one,right?
That's like, that's, that's, akiller.
abaan (33:09):
between until you get to
one prize, you are you are a
potential victim.
Anything could happen to you.
have gotten to one prize card,you are doing crazy math.
Like, oh man, I could get likeDusknoir, CC'd,
Liam (33:22):
the math is never, it
never works out, right, like,
you're always, like, it justgets deeper and deeper, right?
Like, they're at like fiveprizes, and you're like, okay,
so I guess, I guess I'm likestretching them for like three
dusters this turn to just like,windshot on me, right?
Like, you know, it's like, um,
abaan (33:41):
too, like, let's,
Liam (33:42):
You stretch them a little
further, but like, you never,
you never take them out ofrange, right?
Like, they always have a windshot.
abaan (33:50):
Like, unless you're
playing Dusknoir yourself, how
do you get from five to, like,zero?
Like, unless you're playing,like, Dragapult or
Liam (33:56):
Yeah, exactly.
You basically always have tolike go to four and then try to
jump to one,
abaan (34:00):
always have to to one.
And, but even when you go fromfour to one, if they're playing,
like, a Draugr variant or
Liam (34:05):
they hit the double
dustner, you're cooked! Yeah, 6
2.
abaan (34:15):
to be broken.
There has to be a list that doesit every single time they see
you.
Like, anytime they're like, oh,you took a prize card?
I wouldn't have done that.
And then they just, like, blowyou up.
Brent (34:30):
Guys, I just looked up
Pedro's record at Dortmund and
you're gonna be sad to hear thathe apparently decided to play
the tournament on hard mode.
he he won round one against theguy that went 2 4 drop.
He loses round two.
He loses round three.
He did not play anyone on dayone that made day two.
abaan (34:51):
Oh.
Brent (34:52):
So he loses, he loses
those two.
So now he's 1 2 and he wins outday, day one.
Beats a bunch of people, right?
First round of day two, losesthat round.
So he's like, that's great.
Wins 2, beats Owen Cammerman inround 11, and then loses round
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12 to finish in 128.
abaan (35:17):
happens.
Liam (35:18):
Yeah, I don't know, bro.
I but that Drago deck sucks.
Like, I wouldn't even sayPedro's List is bad, I'd just
say, like, I do not like Drago,bro.
Like,
abaan (35:28):
I agree.
think
Liam (35:29):
do not like Drago.
abaan (35:30):
to play Drago, but that
did not I don't want to complete
that with like, I'm playingDrago to this next event.
No.
I refuse.
Brent (35:40):
Yeah, no, that seems to
be the right answer.
That seems to be the rightanswer for sure.
Liam (35:43):
Yeah.
abaan (35:45):
matter what,
Brent (35:45):
Because, yeah, if Pedro
can't figure out how to pilot
that deck past people that can'tmake Day 2, then, like, that's
probably not a good deck.
abaan (35:52):
not just that, it's like,
Drago, it's like, it's never THE
play.
It's always like, one of thebetter decks in the room, but
it's never like, why would I bethe Drago?
Why would I opt into playingthis deck?
Like, it doesn't make any sense,like, there has to be a deck
with a better spread, becauseDrago's spread is just it's just
good.
It just has good matchups.
there's like a there's I don'tknow.
I feel like I've been trapped inthis mindset for
Liam (36:12):
And remember,
abaan (36:12):
There's always a deck
with an insane spread.
That's the play.
Brent (36:18):
So, if you guys were
going to play Toropagos, would
you just start with Toward 60?
Is there any reason not to playToward 60?
abaan (36:24):
I would I would change a
card
Liam (36:25):
you should always start
with Torrent 60.
Like, if you actually think,like,
abaan (36:29):
Like a stable system.
Anytime you move away from thesystem, you're like all the
factors around you push you backinto the system.
And you're like, oh, okay, mybad.
Liam (36:37):
Yes, yes, um, yeah, no,
like, I think pretty much, like,
everybody is guilty of this,like, you see a list, and you're
just like, eh, I don't like it,I'm gonna change the card, but
like, I have so much respect foryou, and so much respect for
myself, when I'm doing it.
You have, like, the, uh, theself control not to do that.
Just, like, copy the list, youknow?
(36:58):
like, jam a few games with it,bro.
abaan (37:01):
did that with
Liam (37:01):
Um,
abaan (37:02):
First place list?
That list is heat, bro.
That list feels great to play.
It's like, you're not
Liam (37:07):
yes.
abaan (37:08):
but somehow, you're just
doing magic.
And you're like, bro, I don'teven understand what I just did!
But,
Liam (37:14):
No, you did.
It's, um, like, if you, yeah,you're doing the, it's like the
game plan I, like, describedearlier, right?
Like, you get Rodenturn 1, youget a few GPs, then, like, turn
to you, you rip the crystal,then, like, That, that Dragapult
goes like so far, bro.
Like, like, it's, doing crazystuff.
Like, Dragapult is just such agood attacker.
Like, you, you get to play allthe, like, the jank that
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Regidrago doesn't get to play,um, with like the, like, the
tech supporters and like thecountercatcher and stuff like
that, and, like actually likemake good use of it, right?
Like, it's, it's like so hard toplay around because there's like
You can feel, like, all thewalls closing in, and you look,
and they're, like, still at sixprizes, and, like,
abaan (37:52):
there's nothing to do
Liam (37:53):
you know, your whole board
is collapsing, right?
abaan (37:55):
Not to you're
Liam (37:57):
there's six prizes left,
and, like,
abaan (37:58):
at, like, you're like an
unstable bridge.
Like, any time, like, a Dust Orccould hit, like, one peg, and
like, the 60 damage from theDragon Ball attack, another one,
and like, but the whole time, isstill up, so you're like, oh,
that's cool.
Like, uh, I can't really, like,say anything, like But like, I
like to you, like, it's clear,this bridge is about to
collapse.
But you tell somebody, like,random guy, like, Bro, this
bridge is about to collapse,they're gonna they're gonna
think that you're crazy.
Like, look at it's stillstanding, like, people are
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walking on it all day.
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh
Liam (38:24):
Yes, it's completely
accurate, though, bruh.
Brent (38:32):
Alright, either of you
playing in tournaments this
coming weekend?
abaan (38:35):
might play a cup, might
play a cup.
Liam (38:36):
I got a League Cup.
abaan (38:38):
Yeah, you gonna post
Brent (38:39):
Alright! How is
California League Cups compared
to the DMV?
abaan (38:45):
Less toxic, certainly.
Liam (38:46):
I played an easy one this
weekend, bro.
yeah, like, Keanumini, um,
Brent (38:54):
Yeah, yeah, I assume Keon
did not come to the last one and
he's coming to this one and nowyou're gonna be like, oh,
they're hard again.
Yeah, that was great.
abaan (39:01):
Do we want to talk about
this
Liam (39:02):
going to be as hard as the
DMV, but
abaan (39:04):
thing has procced my
Liam (39:05):
it's certainly going to be
a little harder.
abaan (39:06):
we want to briefly talk
about this Michael Chen thing or
no?
Liam (39:12):
Oh, the Michael Ten
shenanigans.
Um, sure, I'll give my take onit.
Uh, I love Twitter drama.
It was, like, very exciting fora day.
I was like, ooh, damn, somebody,somebody tweeted something new.
Like, every time I, every time Icheck Twitter, like, has some,
like, crazy take, bro.
I was like, damn, I'd love tosee that.
so it was very entertaining forme.
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yeah,
abaan (39:35):
Uh, I mean, my take is
like, pretty simple.
I think like, the ban, it's likea, it sets a bad precedent.
I'm a little worried, you know,I thought Twitter trolling was
pretty safe.
I thought, yeah, I thought like,no, nothing really you can say
has
Liam (39:46):
yeah, I didn't think
Pokemon was gonna be, like, the,
the hall monitor for Twitter,bro.
Like, it was, uh,
abaan (39:53):
hall monitoring Twitter.
It's that some people who hallmonitor Twitter, like, sent so
many support tickets to Pokemonthat they just like, they just
pulled the trigger on it andbanned them.
But I think it's like, kind of abad precedent.
But I will say, like In terms oflike, things that you could do,
it's not like he was just sayinglike, I think Rahul sucks, he
was saying like, do your ownresearch, but he's like a sexual
predator, but I don't have anylike, in, like, he was saying, I
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don't have any evidence, do yourown research, which is like,
crazy, like, you can't just belike, yo, if you
Liam (40:21):
yeah, yeah, it's, like,
abaan (40:22):
I'm sure you'll
Liam (40:23):
crazy defamation, right?
hmm.
abaan (40:25):
think, as far as Twitter
trolling goes, Michael Chen
wasn't even Twitter trolling, hewas uh, he was being serious,
and uh, I think it was probablytoo far, it's probably fine.
Probably fine, man.
Brent (40:39):
Yeah, you know what, I
feel like Um, there's probably
lots of information we're notaware of and, uh, we should stay
far away from that subject.
Liam (40:48):
Yeah, dude, um, oh, also,
also, like, yeah, this is, uh, I
also want to say, this is notthe end of free speech as we
know it, um,
Brent (40:57):
Yeah.
Liam (40:58):
thank
Brent (41:00):
I, it, I think the
Liam (41:03):
like.
Brent (41:03):
thing that really jumped
out to me about all of the
Twitter drama was, I was like,thank God, uh, I am not Pokemon
and felt like I, uh, have to be,uh, put in a situation where I
am, like, judge, jury, andexecutioner for, like, things
that are important to peoplebecause it's a lot of
responsibility and you want toget it right.
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And, like, I don't know if theygot it right or they got it
wrong,
Liam (41:27):
Like,
Brent (41:28):
but, like, it's a lot of
pressure,
Liam (41:30):
going to
Brent (41:30):
and it's really hard.
Liam (41:31):
they do.
Like, it's, yeah.
abaan (41:34):
Yeah, I'd rather I'd
rather be the person like, gets
to watch what happens ratherthan having to, like, actually,
like, give a like, our takes arejust yapping, like, we can just
have a take, and that's it.
We just have a take, and that'sthat's doesn't matter.
They have to their take has tobe, like, binding, like They're
gonna do something with IRT.
Brent (41:51):
yeah, yeah, like, like,
it's a, it's a lot of
responsibility to hold people'shappiness in, in your hands,
right?
Liam (41:57):
I think it's also because,
like, I think these people are
trying to good job, right?
Like,
Brent (42:02):
Yeah.
Liam (42:03):
think these Pokemon people
are, like, out to, like, kill
the game.
They're, like, they're secretlyplotting, like, bro, what's the,
what's the way we can make,like, the most people angry
right now, right?
Like, these people are, like,trying to do a good job, I
think.
Or, like, at least I'd like tothink, right?
And like, I'm trying, and, hatethese people, these people just
like hate them for it, bro.
Like,
Brent (42:22):
Yeah.
Now, I mean, I know despite allthat, they've done terrible
things before.
Like, I know the Dalgards, andlike, that's bad.
And the, you know, my impressionis the, the Copac people that
run Latin American, uh,championships, they seem to do a
terrible job every year.
And,
Liam (42:39):
yeah, I mean, they make
mistakes all the time for sure,
but like, these people have likegood intentions, right?
Like, they're,
Brent (42:46):
yeah, yeah.
I like that we can assume bestintentions.
I like that we can assume bestintentions.
I don't know if it's true or nottrue, but, uh, I'm certainly
glad I'm not in their shoes andhave to navigate these
situations with, uh, uh, goodintentions, because it is tough.
Because you want, you wantTwitter to be a safe space, you
want Pokémon to be a safe space,um, uh, there's, there's some
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line somewhere between trollingand, like, bullying, and, uh,
uh, you, you have to, like,navigate that and, like, There
is, like, definitely norulebook, you know?
abaan (43:19):
Crazy segue idea, now
that we're talking about Michael
Chen, let's talk about
Brent (43:24):
Give it to us.
abaan (43:25):
Reddy's three regionals,
or three tournaments in a row
run, you know?
Like, is this guy the GOAT?
I've seen people say it onTwitter, like maybe Rahul's
like, has the best run of alltime, yeah.
I, uh, I certainly don't thinkso, but, we can, it's not the
best run of all time, Liam.
It's like, it's like, all run.
Liam (43:41):
I,
Brent (43:41):
Here's, here's, here's my
question, guys.
Why, why is Lugia not the play?
Because it seems like Lugia isalways the play.
Liam (43:47):
and then like, I just like
zoned back in, and Abad's like,
bro, why are people gassing upthis guy's run?
Like, what?
This is not a good run!
abaan (43:54):
no, no, it's not the best
run of all time, close, but it's
like a good run.
Good.
Brent (43:59):
Yeah, no, I mean, what,
what's, is there any reason why
you shouldn't just run Raul's60?
Because apparently that 60 beatseverything all the time.
Liam (44:08):
I dunno.
Like, I try and I guess I justdon't have the aura for it, bro.
Like, I queue up and I'm like,geez, bro, no double chops
abaan (44:15):
I,
Liam (44:16):
cooked.
abaan (44:17):
I wish I had a good
answer for you.
Like, I wish I could tell you.
Like, I have so many principles,like, I'm a winrate maxer.
I don't care how the winratecomes about, I want to increase
my winrate.
Like, if a deck has 60 percentwinrate, but it's like a
braindead deck, or like it'sless brain than the deck I want
to play that's 59%, I'll choosea 60 percent heartbeat.
In theory, I would even chooselike, 60 percent over 59.
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99.
But then I see this Rahul60?
I can't do it.
I can't do it.
I'm a human.
I can't do it.
I don't want to.
I just don't want to play thatdeck.
Liam (44:46):
I actually think 60 is
lit.
Like I,
abaan (44:48):
completely agree.
I think it's like the best Lugialist, like, by far, but I just
don't want to play it.
Liam (44:56):
yeah, it seems solid, but
abaan (44:59):
Everything about it makes
perfect sense to me.
Like, this 1 1 Minccino, this 11 Minccino, like, dude, we've
been saying 1 1 Minccinoforever.
Like, we were saying it, like,NAIC, like, ah, I'd probably
play 1 1.
You actually locked it in.
You played 1 1 Minccino.
Like, everyone should have beenon 1 1 Minccino the whole time.
I'm so glad that someone wasable to prove it, you know?
Like, I don't know, like, someof the ideas I'm still hazy on,
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but like Like, I'm not reallysure why this Raikou's in the
deck, but I've been told thatit's good value.
Liam (45:25):
I think, I think the is
lit.
I think, um, it mercks pigeons,bro.
I, I love it.
Like
abaan (45:31):
that's the reason,
Liam (45:32):
take out, take out
pigeons,
abaan (45:35):
but I don't believe he's
playing that card just because
it mercs Pidge.
I think he has, like, much morecomplex reasons, but I'm not
really sure, like, how it works,you know?
Liam (45:42):
like, it merks pigeons,
and it also fulfills the spot of
like the second blood moon.
It's like, a consistency card,and like, very energy efficient.
abaan (45:50):
I think it's also insane
now, because of the, uh, the new
stadium.
Like, it's so good
Liam (45:54):
yeah, exactly, it's good
against Teropagos and Palkia,
right?
Like,
abaan (45:58):
think it's, like, a must
play
Liam (45:59):
yeah.
abaan (46:02):
reservations about the
card were more centered around
the Baltimore format, but, yeah.
And like, now, it's like,circled back to being like, oh,
you have to play Riot Queue, itmakes perfect sense.
Liam (46:11):
this format, for sure.
think even for both of them, Iwould've played it, like, um,
abaan (46:16):
think, like, Dude, every
single time, though, I think
like, okay, this Lugia list iskind of solved now, and like, I
think 1.
1 Shichino, as much as I thinkit's optimal to make Lugia work
at all, It's so exploitable.
Like, every time I think aboutPidgeot, or like, even Dango,
I'm like, dude, there's only oneof those guys in there?
I'll figure something out,
Liam (46:35):
yeah.
abaan (46:36):
Like,
Liam (46:37):
Yeah, no, exactly, like,
you kill it, and like, there's a
lot of boards that become, like,invincible, right?
Like,
abaan (46:42):
he but,
Liam (46:44):
however, like, Yeah, there
is the Wyrdeer, but like, yeah,
I don't know, like, I mean, thedeck is like, incredibly fast
too, but like, it's importantthat it's fast, right, like, you
have to be hitting this like,turn two double chops, and then
like, the Chinchino's okay,right, like, you're like, taking
two with the hands, you havethis like, threatening active,
and you're like, slowly loadingup the Chinchino on the bench,
and like, you're definitelycrossing the finish line at that
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point, right, like,
abaan (47:06):
I 1 1 Chinchino apply,
because the decks with 3 3,
they're cutting out the cardsthat make your deck work, which
is illegal.
You need to play the game firstso that you can, like, Chinchino
second.
Like, all these, like, heavyChinchino lines, they're, like,
worried about these, like,fringe scenarios where, like,
You set up perfectly, but youropponent also sets up perfectly,
and they like, take out yourchinos, and like, you get
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cooked.
But sometimes, for even with 22, you'll get cooked anyways,
you'll prize a piece, that canhappen, like, a million
different reasons, and
Liam (47:32):
yeah, no, like,
abaan (47:33):
cart before the horse.
Liam (47:34):
and you're running out of
energy too, right, like, there's
um, Yeah, it doesn't even fixall your problems, and it only
applies in this, like, very,very top end scenario of, yeah,
like, everybody's hittingeverything for some, like,
random reason, bro, right?
Yeah,
abaan (47:49):
kind of games that
Pokemon only exist in like the,
not even the sim, because ifyou, if you hit the sim,
actually this is a commonmisconception that people have.
I feel like people act like thesim games are not real because
everyone's drawing too good, orlike, like sim games, like, it
doesn't happen like that, like,the thing in the sim is like,
both people draw terrible, orlike, the game, like, there are
weird games in the sim.
These games that I'm talkingabout are only in theory, like,
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if you ever even actually playthe game, they don't even
happen.
It's it's like the step beforethe sim.
Where, like, these games exist,where you're like, Oh, this
Chino's too thin, like, ah, howcan I play?
Like, they're gonna, like, WhenI do my perfect double topspin,
Liam (48:25):
exactly, like, it's
something you get scared of,
because you think about it inyour own head.
It's not something that you're,like, actually scared of when
you're sitting down and playing,right?
Like,
abaan (48:34):
But sometimes you just
walk away, you're only, you're
only rat, and you're like, ooh,Why am I only playing one of
these?
And, like, nothing you can doabout it, though.
Liam (48:42):
yeah.
Brent (48:44):
All right, guys, let's
call it.
We, I think we gave people lotsof things to test and advice for
amazing decks to go win LeagueCups, and next week we'll be
back with the League Cups thatyou guys won over the weekend,
and.
Avon will actually have a realstrategy with incredibly
thoughtful decks right?
abaan (49:02):
I have to.
Brent (49:03):
Goldengo! Let's go!
Liam (49:06):
Thank
Brent (49:07):
All right.