Election night distraction edition: Gdansk, Tord, Money Match, Regi, 4.9K PTCGL & More!

Episode Transcript

Abaan (00:05):
So we've got a few live

Brent (00:07):
It's election night coverage here at the
Trashalanch.
We are going to break it alldown for people who are

Abaan (00:13):
I

Brent (00:13):
what could I listen to besides election results?
You could listen to this.
Uh, it's Trashalanch, onlypodcast about the Pokemon
trading card game.
Attendance is

Liam (00:23):
Giratina, Jolteon,

Brent (00:24):
Cam's here, Abad's here, Liam's here, I'm here, Brent,

Liam (00:28):
PTCGO,

Brent (00:29):
we're all on Twitter, uh, we're all on the only podcast
about the Pokemon Trading CardGame.
If you leave a 5 star review, wewill read it on the pod.
Go leave a review today so wecan read it on the pod.
That'd be awesome.
Sorry we missed last week andthe week before that.
Is it like that, guys?

Abaan (00:44):
just show up when we want to, apparently.
No commitment, no hustle,

Cameron (00:48):
We just

Liam (00:48):
Oh, oh.

Abaan (00:48):
like, uh, freeloaders.

Brent (00:50):
Yeah, I know every time I go to a tournament people are
like, so when's Mike comingback?
When's Mike coming back?
And it do be like that, butlike, we're doing the best we
can to hold it together while heraises a small Pokemon player.
All

Abaan (01:05):
excuses, bro.
Mike has a whole ass kid, bro.
We're just, like, disorganized.

Brent (01:13):
right, guys, let's, uh, uh, let's first start talking
about, uh, how do you evenpronounce the name of this
place?
Like, that's the problem withreading stuff, Gdansk?

Liam (01:23):
I'll

Brent (01:24):
Dansk?
I don't know.

Liam (01:25):
that's

Brent (01:26):
Gansk?

Abaan (01:26):
right.

Liam (01:27):
I have.

Brent (01:29):
Um,

Liam (01:30):
I'm

Brent (01:30):
uh,

Liam (01:31):
to

Brent (01:31):
with the high level stuff, guys.
Did you guys learn anything thatyou're like, oh my god, that was
crazy?

Liam (01:37):
because it's a pretty good program.
Yeah, TORS

Abaan (01:41):
MinimalDrawSupporters,

Liam (01:42):
list is perfect.
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sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

Abaan (02:00):
like as cracked as we thought it was in.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I know it's cracked and I cansee like the a lot of the big
high level ideas of theBouffalants, like having this
290 HP guy that you penny up andstuff is like lit and but I just
I can't make it work for me.
I think it's like a skill issueon my end like I, I currently
cannot make the deck work for meand like uh I think I'm gonna
put in like probably like 200games before uh SAC and see if I

(02:22):
like this deck.

Liam (02:23):
Yeah, I'm just granting games.
I'm making so many mistakes.
It's like multiple times I'vedone knock towel with no tarpa
goes down.
It's ah, but um.

Cameron (02:33):
That's just an

Liam (02:34):
I don't know.
It's like, it's

Cameron (02:36):
bro.

Abaan (02:37):
like even the mess, the

Liam (02:38):
very weird.
I like haven't, you know,because you kind of just
conceptualize like the card islike a search too, and like
there is like this initialcondition, like kind of just
assume you have it like a lot ofthe time, um, and like it's like
a real thing that has to bebuilt up of like checking that
you like meet this like initialcondition that doesn't like
really affect how the card know?

Abaan (02:58):
think you notice it on turn one.
It's like, the fact that youhave a Terra in

Liam (03:01):
Yes,

Abaan (03:02):
like, many turns in a row, and then randomly you like,
look at your board and you don'thave one in play.

Liam (03:07):
Exactly, exactly that.
Um, yeah, like on turn one,you're like very aware of
whether or not you have theToropagos, right?
But like, yeah, sometimes youjust get like Iona late game and
then they kill your Tropigos andlike all of a sudden like, don't
have a Tropigos down and likesometimes you just forget that

Brent (03:23):
And,

Liam (03:44):
stuff.
Yeah.

Abaan (03:47):
was when they realized, Wait, we can just stop benching
all our, like, squishy guys and,like, start charming up and have
290 HP guys.
Now these guys have the twoboofs.
Now we have two 290 HP guys.
290 HP is a crazy amount.
Like, anything that can get to290, it just starts, like, doing
crazy work.
Like, killing Pidgeot, peopleare doing it on the skin of
their teeth.
That lost impact?
280.

(04:08):
Oh, you just got there.
Congrats.
It's out of, it's out of range.
Like, we can't, we can't behitting 290.
And you can't Kelowna Boof.
I, like, I wish you could dosomething, like, something cute.
Like, oh, like, boss, KelownaBoof, and then I, like, cure him
or something.
Nah.
Like, then the bench won't stillwork it.
Like,

Liam (04:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, mm hmm.

Abaan (04:40):
no, no,

Liam (04:41):
No, he lost me in Swiss, so I've been out.
I think the banana matchup isreally tricky.
That's like, the one you have tofix, I think, going forward.

Abaan (04:49):
I don't know

Brent (04:50):
it seems like Binette is suddenly super popular.
I saw, uh, what was it, like,Justin Basil had it, like,
number 2 on his, like, populardecks list or something, and
everybody was like, oh my god.
That's not actually a thing, isit?

Cameron (05:05):
Liam, have you tested that deck?
Like, how does that deck Abaddonand I are under, like, I think
we're in agreeance here thatthat deck does not beat
Regidrago.
So, I

Liam (05:14):
is terrible.
It's terrible.
I, like, genuinely despise thedeck.
I think it's like, I don't know,I think, I think it's okay.
You have like a solid, you cansometimes beat, like, Lugia.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Abaan (05:35):
it, which I guess you could argue, like, okay, then I
have a 75 percent chance of,like, item locking, right, like,
either I go first and I get thesecond flip,

Cameron (05:42):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you
all again soon.

Abaan (06:07):
you played Seismic Toad back in the day, which is like a
comparison I've been thinkingabout a lot, and I was like, why
is Seismic Toad so lit comparedto this Banette deck?
Seismic do, first of all hadgarba door in the, in like in
the wings and had like laser andlike hammers and like was really
disrupting you.
But net, it's like justSeismitoad.
Nothing else.

Liam (06:23):
But, but that's it's like full gimmick mode, the size
method also put on a lot moreattacking pressure, like this
like 30 damage is like, it's notdoing anything, like it doesn't
do anything, you, you like, theyliterally cannot be able to play
the game ever if you're gonnawin, right, like, they, they
have to just stop playingcompletely you to beat them.

Abaan (06:41):
Dude, that deck, it's so gimmicky.
I have to play where I wonder ifI should play like Flute and
Erika's.
Because if you're not lockingsome random nonsense active and
monkeying and gemstoning, you'renot like, it's so bad.
You can't leave an attackeractive.
Like, I think you, the reasonthey win so many games is like,
like naturally you benchsomething, like trying to date,

(07:02):
So like, on your non item lockturn, but if you like, have a,
like a very like, energy drivenhand, like, you can sometimes
win by just like, sitting thereand attaching, and knocking them
out.
Like, I don't

Liam (07:13):
no, I mean, agree.
I think it's, question of howyou want your Binette deck to,
like, convert.
Like, thing with buildingBinette is you have to like,
have to do two things, whichone, to, like, accomplish
something consistently which is,like, somewhat contradictory,
right?
Like, um, It's, like, very hard,right, uh, to build something

(07:34):
you always have to hit, like,you know, Binette active, turn
two, energy attach, right?
So, like, of a sudden you'regetting asked to play, like, a
bunch of energy so you can findit quickly, and stuff like that.
Like, so, you know, You thenhave, and then beyond that, you
also need like a secondary wayto close the game out, right?
Like, you don't just likeinstantly win once this is up,
you need like a secondary way toclose the game out, and in that

(07:54):
sense it's really hard to addcards like Erika or Flute, while
also keeping this Gardevoirpackage.
Like, the Gardevoir package isthe way that that closes games
out right now, um, but like, youcan't, you can't really do too
much.
Like, you have to try and do theminimal number of, or like,
minimal things that you need toclose games out, because
consistency is like, so, soimportant for that deck, right?

(08:15):
Like, any hit to your turn twobanette, uh, percentage is like,
directly cutting into your winrate, because you just get
hooked you don't hit that thing.

Abaan (08:23):
about, like, how crazy was this cut?
It was, like, one of, like, themost, like, Twilight Zone cuts
I've ever seen.
It had two Banettes, twoIronthorns, and then, like, two
Draugos and, like, a Terapagosand, like, a One Storm Alex.
And I thought, like, Ironthornin this, like, I don't
understand.
Don't all of these deck lose toDraugo?
And, like, I guess Draugo wonthe tournament.
But like, it feels like we're inthe weirdest Rock Paper Scissors

(08:44):
format ever, where it's

Brent (08:45):
for joining us.

Abaan (08:52):
loses to Drago, and then, and then there's Drago, which
beats, beats everything, andloses to Bull.
But for some reason, becauseBull sits like 15 percent of the
room, Drago can't just be like,can't be all eight spots of top
eight.
You're just re like, you justsee like the two or three Dragos
that like, Got to dodge Bolt forthe most part, like, and they're
just like, that's top 8.
I don't know, it's really, it'sreally odd.
I don't even know how to, like,I've never, I don't, I feel like

(09:13):
I've never seen anything likethis before.

Cameron (09:15):
Hello, everyone.

Abaan (09:16):
Everything beats Bolt, like, everything in the whole
room except Drago beats Bolt,but it's still the most played
deck.
I

Cameron (09:22):
And I even think, and I even think, like, Drago gets
done a good percentage of thetime, and that,

Liam (09:27):
Yeah,

Cameron (09:28):
the, it's worth matchup, I won't deny

Liam (09:30):
yeah, exactly, like,

Cameron (09:32):
make plays.

Liam (09:33):
you can still win if the bolt draws like somewhat Right.

Cameron (09:36):
Or doesn't flip heads on their catchers,

Liam (09:38):
Yeah.

Cameron (09:39):
like, ah, just force Clef or a

Abaan (09:42):
like,

Cameron (09:43):
Yeah.

Abaan (09:43):
They have to drill minimum one, and sometimes two.

Cameron (09:48):
No,

Abaan (10:14):
He's not playing the Noctowl line in favor of, like,
4th Vessel and I believeHawlucha.
Or no, 3rd

Cameron (10:20):
no, no, a third IO

Liam (10:21):
I like that.
I know we were, I know Aban's abig fan of the Noctowl, but I
don't know, I felt like mediocreabout it.
I think it's like,

Cameron (10:29):
and

Liam (10:31):
a power level increase.
It's not really like aconsistency card as much as it
is like a power card, Like,

Abaan (10:38):
I agree with this completely.

Cameron (10:39):
you again very soon.

Abaan (10:47):
I like the Noctowl when you're playing all these, like,
specific cards you want, like,Cologne, like, the weird
stadiums, and then, like, on topof that, you can also grab,
like, you can grab, like,Eswitch and a Prime, or Eswitch
and Cologne, Eswitch and, like,the niche stadium that you need
for that specific turn, andyou're not V starring.
And it's just, I don't know.

Liam (11:06):
like, yeah, I agree.
I think, I think it makes thedeck, like, a lot more powerful.
In the games where you're ableto, like, pull the Noctowl off,
and, like, you know, it's not,like, uh, it's not, like, a
terrible Noctowl, right?
It's, like, you know, you're,you're actually, like, cooking,
right?
Like, you're hitting this Prime,and, like, you know, Noctowl
plus, like, one of your, like,disruption cards, right?
Like, the, one of the stadiums,or, like, the Cologne, or

(11:26):
something like that, and, like,you're able to, like, pull those
turns off.
Like, the Noctowl's, like,really insane.
But it's, like It feels likesomewhat of like a mediocre
like, you know, you get allthese hands in the mid game
where you like draw into one ofthe Noctowl pieces and it's just
like, it doesn't do anythingimmediately, you and like, like,
need pieces and you're drawingNoctowls, like, it's not that
good.

Abaan (11:46):
I think the best argument against Noctowl is that this
deck, this is like something Ibring up maybe like three times
a week, but like this deck islike the biggest Cleffa deck to
ever exist.
Like you're just Cleffa ing likeevery other game, like single
game you're like trying to pivotinto this Cleffa somehow and
like using it on turn one.
If, if you don't start Radzart,like you're probably going to
Cleffa, and so when you Cleffaand you have the Hoo Hoo down,

(12:08):
like your board has like seriouslike structural issues, right?
And like.

Liam (12:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's also some like prize, prize
issues with that, but, yeah, Imean, yeah.

Abaan (12:19):
The Noctowl's most insane, I think, when you're
going first.
When you go first, and you justhave like a normal hand, you're
like attached to your Drago,tail dance once, and like bend
your hoo hoo.
And you're like, gonna turn toclean quality with this Noctowl.

Liam (12:30):
are crazy, right?
Where you get Ogre Pawn, Drago,Energy, and the Hoot Hoot down.
like on lock to absolutely runthem over, right?

Cameron (12:40):
it up.
I go through the motions for aturn if you want, but, uh,

Abaan (12:44):
And it

Liam (12:45):
Yeah,

Abaan (12:45):
sounds

Cameron (12:46):
dominating you next round.

Abaan (12:47):
like, there's a lot of combinations and permutations
that is that hand, right?
Like, it's like, it's like anest ball, like, in a vessel
away from, like, you know?

Liam (12:54):
yeah.
And I, think it, it gives thedeck like somewhat of an edge,
right?
Like, sense that the deck canfeel like, like if you imagine
the deck without this Noctowl,it's like incredibly linear,
right?
And like, you're very much atthe like, mercy of the draw
order.

Abaan (13:11):
ish when you're playing without Noctowl.
Like, I don't want to go thatfar, but it feels like

Cameron (13:15):
yeah,

Abaan (13:15):
Lugia ish, where you're

Liam (13:16):
Yeah,

Abaan (13:17):
I draw, like, the energies and the E switches, I
hope this all, like, comestogether.
And, like, Noctowl, like, letsyou transcend this, right?
Like, it lets you go, like,backwards and forwards, like,
trans like, time travel a littlebit, like, a little front, a
little back, you know, you cando whatever you want.

Liam (13:30):
yeah.

Cameron (13:31):
know, that's what I was thinking, like, I thought the
Noctowl like, totallyunnecessary for the longest
time, and then, got more andmore games with it, and I just
started to realize, like, this,like, you just do so much, and
I'm not trying to, like, um,Like, this prop was extremely
easy.
I'm not gonna, like, flaunt itout, but, like, I think Avon

(13:52):
was, like, ending games twoturns.

Abaan (13:55):
I have it written down, but basically my opponents
played an average of like twoand a half turns over the course
of a full turn of a full cup.

Liam (14:02):
Yeah,

Cameron (14:03):
Um, and I think it's just like, and then people, they
were like, oh yeah, I just,like, I, I, yeah, they were
saying, oh, we're not playingDrago, because it just doesn't
work for way it works for youand Cameron, when I heard
someone that to a bot, and in mymind, I was like, I don't know,
this Noctowl card's prettycrazy, and it worked for me for
this Noctowl

Liam (14:23):
Yeah, I mean, that's just, it's

Abaan (14:32):
one.
I'm not kidding.
Like.
Watch.

Cameron (14:33):
That's it.

Abaan (14:37):
Next split.

Liam (14:38):
just so, so, like, this Dragapult card is like, anything
that spreads damage to thecounter, the bench like that,
it's just disgusting, bro.
Like.

Abaan (14:46):
It's

Cameron (14:47):
a friend,

Abaan (14:47):
you can't actually play Dragonfall because the fact that
you can just like seamlesslypivot into Tina and Kiram
without like breaking a sweatwith the same attacker is just
crazy.
Like, oh my goodness.

Cameron (14:58):
yeah,

Liam (14:58):
Yeah, I mean, it has a lot right?
Like,

Cameron (15:01):
this,

Liam (15:03):
synergizes with everything.
You just set everything upperfectly, and like, you know,
like, power attacks like thatare, you're able to get like,
full value out of, right?

Abaan (15:10):
and Dwyane

Cameron (15:10):
this, this, this,

Liam (15:15):
I don't think, I don't think Dragon Pulse is all that
bad, just like, as a zoneattacker, you know, I think
it's, um, you can win a lot ofgames by just spamming the Pulse
attack,

Abaan (15:23):
Cleveland before he went to the Heat, bro.

Liam (15:25):
literally.

Brent (15:27):
So, so, I, I mean, I hear that you're digging Noctowl,
but, like, it was, were theresults not just
incontrovertible proof that,like, this is the 60?

Cameron (15:36):
No, mean,

Abaan (15:37):
didn't James Cox win last week with Noctowl and like, and

Cameron (15:40):
I, it's just two, two lists that, like, and it's not
even that crazy of a difference.
It's a

Liam (15:46):
Yeah, I think,

Cameron (15:47):
line, and it's like, the people who are on that are
definitely on that, and, you cansee that, list of results
amassing under the, the IngBradner list, Unlimited list,
and then you have this secondarylist, which is like, fourth
vessel for added discard, plus Xcard, whatever you want it to
be, likely an Iono.
Um,

Brent (16:10):
Cagli is a super good player, but I feel like, like,
it seems like he shows up attournaments with this list, he,
uh, absolutely wrecks thetournament.

Cameron (16:18):
I think that's

Brent (16:19):
He's gotta care for something.

Cameron (16:20):
see the, you good players who are playing Draco.
It's kind of, that's just

Liam (16:24):
yeah, and I mean, that

Brent (16:25):
Yeah, right?
Yeah.

Liam (16:27):
Like, even without the Noctowl, it's definitely good
still.
It's not like he's, like,playing a super bad list, even
if Noctowl ends up being, like,optimal, right?
Yeah,

Abaan (16:35):
the Noctowl and put, like, Hawlucha and, like,
something else gimmicky inthere, it wouldn't work.
He added, like, 4th Vessel, 3rdIoto.
Those are great cards.

Cameron (16:42):
It's great

Abaan (16:44):
those are, like, 61st and

Cameron (16:44):
You're swapping great cards for great

Abaan (16:47):
exactly.
So,

Liam (16:49):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Cameron (16:50):
yeah.
And I think, like, KeanuMeaniehit me up, like, after Draco
won, and he just said, said was,Draco might be too strong, and I
think is, like, in the hands ofa great player, it's too easy to
overpower everything else.
Um,

Abaan (17:07):
Bolt.
Except this Bolt deck.
Sometimes, like, it's not inyour hands when you play against
Bolt.
You sit down against

Cameron (17:10):
yeah, it's, it's, it's a coin flip.
Yeah, just gotta pray here, andjust watch it happen, and
hopefully it goes my

Liam (17:18):
It's the, it's the Dragapult attack bro, Dragapult
is too strong right now, like,some, like, because,

Abaan (17:25):
basic is on notice, bro.
It's crazy

Liam (17:27):
We're like, dodging the Fez too, like, even in like we
had with the Greninja, theGreninja Pidgeot whatever, like
basically FunctionallyCharizard, like just like, they
dragapult in the of the game andlike, you know, they didn't proc
the Fez, but like all of asudden, like, everything is
about to die, and like, nextturn, it's like, you know, it's,

(17:49):
there's like, there's like,nothing you can do about bro.

Abaan (17:51):
think I'm not doing that deck justice, uh, but I agree
that there's like,

Cameron (17:56):
think we're good, Jadak.
Yeah,

Abaan (18:04):
need to, like, readjust to the real world and play some,
uh, play some other stuff alittle bit, like, remember how
to play Pokemon.
Like, I'm, like, super Dragofilled right now.
I don't know, maybe that justmeans I should just play Drago
to the next major, and, likekeep

Cameron (18:15):
very much for

Liam (18:16):
Yeah.

Brent (18:21):
all this begs the question, uh, how do you guys
think about, is Sacramento nextfor all you guys?

Abaan (18:27):
Yes.

Cameron (18:28):
I'm going to LAIC, but

Liam (18:31):
Bro! Bro! Bro!

Cameron (18:42):
couple names underneath it?
Yeah, one.

Abaan (18:44):
Yeah, the Cameron Chenoy list.

Cameron (18:46):
No, that's say it's my list, but you know, I'm just of
the, one it.

Abaan (18:53):
Chenoy got our names on the Legendary Limitless page.
I got my name on the Henry ChowGardy page.
I'm the biggest bum on there,bro.
89.
Oh my goodness, bro.
Out of the blue, bro, Liam justhad to hit me with that.
Like, I was just having a niceday, like, on my bed, and then,
uh, Liam's like, Hey, bro, onthis, like, limitless page,
you're the only you're, like,the worst placement.
I'm like, what the hell?

Liam (19:14):
I

Brent (19:39):
Is there anything in Surging Sparks besides 5, 000 A
Specs?

Abaan (19:45):
Yes, there is, uh, two important cards.
We got Kanagane, we got PikachuEX.
Oh, and we got Togekiss.
I like that card too.
The

Liam (19:58):
mean, I don't think that's terrible.
It might be good in Tropicus,but I don't think that's
terrible.

Cameron (20:02):
this, this, you just don't, dude, Togekiss so great.
If I play Togekiss, there's likea decent chance that I get,
like, event from, like, off andsaying something egregious after
Togekiss at the end of the game,like.
It's already, it's already, it'salready, it's already happened,
like, happened at tabletop whereI just, like, pop the second I

(20:24):
see the even number.

Abaan (20:25):
Ian Robb Sully unironically like every round
after hitting this Togekiss.
just a dice roll.
a dice roll.

Cameron (20:32):
but I'll be actually rolling dice in my head.

Liam (20:37):
No,

Abaan (20:44):
If I just drill one of these in two, I win the game.

Cameron (20:47):
Like, flip one head.
heads

Liam (20:50):
not

Cameron (20:51):
to three flips

Liam (20:52):
that, bro,

Cameron (20:52):
changes

Liam (20:53):
it's about the cost required to get it up, you have
to find a stage 2, bro, and thenonce you get a stage 2 up, you
get a coin flip for like an okayeffect, like, obviously taking
another prize is good, but like,there's nothing instantly when
they can't.
Right?
Like,

Abaan (21:07):
It's

Liam (21:07):
it's like, like everything else has to be going right too.
You have to, you have to get astage two up, everything else
has to go right, and then youhave to flip heads.
Like, to, uh,

Brent (21:18):
why I play it with Lugia.
I just get out one Archeops andthen Toshkiss.

Cameron (21:23):
just, no, no, like, it's psychic, it's

Liam (21:26):
But, I mean,

Abaan (21:27):
I would like that, that would be

Liam (21:28):
if we go up,

Abaan (21:29):
Psychic Guy.

Cameron (21:30):
It'll be kind of down, but

Liam (21:31):
yeah.
Uh,

Brent (21:33):
I've said a million times that I'm so sad that Lugia is
not like a box deck thing whereyou like play a whole bunch of
different stage twos and havefun instead of this like
parasitic thing that they justfed you and they're like there's
only one way to do it right,dummy.

Abaan (21:46):
Cameron,

Brent (21:46):
But there you go.

Abaan (21:47):
I was thinking about is maybe we should play Jock in our
list.

Cameron (21:50):
yeah, I, I could see that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Abaan (21:53):
think it's really good.
Yeah.

Cameron (21:56):
I could see that.
Um,

Abaan (21:58):
and your Pidgeot in one go.

Cameron (21:59):
I, the one thing, And

Abaan (22:02):
Ha

Cameron (22:02):
we were talking it last like, the whole rise of this
Bouffalant, very tanky, like,it's very hard to remove
everything else on the board,and then you just have this
Togekiss that's sitting there,that, like, Abaddon, mentioned,
it is kind of untargetable, uh,once it's up, cause you're just
like, I like,

Liam (22:21):
Yeah, the format's now for it, right?
You can't just go for it.

Cameron (22:24):
too fast, but then gonna go like, am I really gonna
target down the thing thing thata chance at an extra prize, like
we're even sure?
Like,

Liam (22:32):
yeah.

Cameron (22:32):
hitting the,

Abaan (22:33):
they do that,

Cameron (22:33):
hitting the

Abaan (22:34):
hit that Thorn Candy Stretcher.
It's over.
We right back there.
We right back where we started.

Cameron (22:39):
one prize, I'm flipping for an extra one.

Brent (22:43):
right, so what, what else is happening with, uh, Surging
Sparks?
How, like, is, is,

Liam (22:48):
today,

Brent (22:49):
Conte came to Sacramento, does he just win that, or, or
what, what changes?

Liam (22:53):
you next time.

Abaan (22:56):
I don't know if I'm playing Drago, but like,

Cameron (22:59):
Oh,

Abaan (23:08):
I think that, like, I've seen enough good players mess up
on stream.
Honestly, once I saw Tord do it,I was like, okay, maybe the
stream thing is different, bro.
Like, like,

Liam (23:16):
Yeah, bro, you haven't been on straight away, have you?
Uh,

Abaan (23:30):
Alberta's like a mirror fiend, but uh, Pal 4 was a
little gross.
So gross.

Liam (23:35):
all for joining us today, and I look forward to seeing you

(23:56):
all again soon.

Cameron (24:02):
we're playing two Pikachu because we think that's
the whole reason it's the deckis good because it gives you a
chance to one shot the ReggieDrago.
and I like it.
It just

Liam (24:14):
right over here, please.
Okay, so, um, successfully, uh,uh, the uh, the delivery of
words and that's uh, it's a, anarray of, uh, uh, resources, uh,
two dimensional tools, uh, tohook up to, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

(24:37):
very much.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.

Cameron (24:41):
and could easily add Cologne.
And, uh, Raging Bolt hasSlytherwing.
But, unless you're one of thosethree decks, um, you know, luck.
Good luck dealing with

Liam (24:52):
I don't think, I don't think the right way to tackle
Pikachu is by trying to bruteforce your way through the
ability.
I think, I think the Dragoanswer to Pikachu is Dragapult.
Like, you just, just hit it,then rip the Iono,

Abaan (25:06):
Kyurem.

Liam (25:07):
and they lose.

Abaan (25:08):
you have Dragapult, like, exactly, because the Pikachu
loses the energy anyways, solike, why do we need to one shot
it back?
Like,

Liam (25:13):
Yeah.

Abaan (25:14):
a

Liam (25:14):
You need to attack the Dragonite, Like,

Abaan (25:17):
but

Liam (25:18):
the weak point.

Abaan (25:18):
Bolt kind of does need to one shot the Pikachu back,
because like, otherwise, like,

Liam (25:21):
Yeah, both is too linear, Like, there's different parts of
the form.
Sure, I mean, that makes sense.
I mean, it's this massive Idon't know what to do.

Abaan (25:51):
yeah, so I don't even think there's no like answer
from the Bolt side likeliterally you like sit down and
you like Just like ask youropponent like how good are you
at Lost Blood?
You play the second floor?
They're like, yeah, and then yousign a slip unless unless you're
MD Somehow you lose out onstream.
Stream is different bro, streamis different.
Stream is, I've come, I've comearound to it I will no longer
play people with their streamperformances because that's just

(26:11):
different.
That's a whole different thing.
Ah, I'm like

Liam (26:14):
Yeah, bro, you gotta get some new life in the stream,
bro, it's hard, it's uh, it'sreal hard.
Um.

Cameron (26:22):
So maybe Drago has the built in answer, but like,
there's a lot of other cooldecks that we've been trying
that we think are, like, Likeinteresting, like, uh, ar ludon
or aldon, however the heck yousay that.

Liam (26:35):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

Cameron (26:44):
thing, it just, once it gets going, you're just like,
bang, two 30 unturned to

Abaan (26:49):
the

Liam (26:49):
That's the crew that just came in.
We're going to do a little bitof a Q& A, and then we'll have a
Q& A, and then I'll have a Q& A,and then we'll have a Q& A.
So, I'm going to go ahead andkick it off with So, I'm going

(27:11):
to start with a question fromthe audience.
It's about Bye bye.

Abaan (27:16):
going to

Cameron (27:17):
does to these other decks that, like, I think,

Abaan (27:20):
here.
First

Cameron (27:21):
like, has a lot of things going for it.
It just doesn't have that.

Abaan (27:25):
uh, Um,

Cameron (27:26):
A great answer to Pikachu.
I think we will eventually comeup with one.
Um, people

Liam (27:31):
Yeah, you need to be able to do tricks, right?
Like, you have to, you have tobe able to, like, finish things,
like, not take a knockout andstill stay on course to, like,
win the game, right?
Yeah,

Cameron (27:42):
Arcaladon can maybe go above 300 and then they have to
play Gravity Mountain, whichwe've kind of pivoted away from
just for the consistency ofPokestop,

Abaan (27:51):
have

Cameron (27:52):
is exploitable, right, by maybe some of the Stage 2
decks.
I find It actually to be, if theperson knows that they're not
playing Gravity Mountain, uh,the Stage 2 deck can do some,
can do some tricks on you, ifyou're not

Liam (28:07):
yeah, for sure, which is, like, a typical boss fight.
for joining us for thisevening's event.

Abaan (28:31):
you're.
Prime picture GOAT, he fought itout, because that's how it
works, bro, like, you play thisprime picture list, you sound
like a

Liam (28:37):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you all again

(28:58):
in the future.

Abaan (29:03):
like, they're gonna take two for free, not Staropagos you
can win anyways, because theycan't hit the 260 number that
cleanly, but the point is, like,I'm spending so many of my games
praying I don't start Palkia,that I decided, like, what if I
just cut it, and uh, I'm justtrying to work us.

Liam (29:18):
Thank you very

Abaan (29:19):
when you

Liam (29:20):
much.

Abaan (29:20):
helped you like

Liam (29:21):
goes around, comes around right, know the rules, take the
facts, not the metaphors.
As you've seen, at the sametime, what has happened,
happened, happened.
The best, probably, toughdecision you'll make about it

(29:43):
will be to stay, stay, stay,survive.

Abaan (29:48):
So, we're gonna collect, he's still good, yeah.
So just try the world's list,cut the Palkia, cut some other
cards, a more streamlined.

Cameron (29:56):
Uh, so something I should mention that we tried in
Goldango, we tried in a coupledecks, um,

Liam (30:02):
And that's a video to help you, to help you, to watch this
video, to watch this video, towatch this video, to watch this

(30:24):
video, to watch this video.
Sometimes, I think, I am tooyoung to be thinking about what
I am doing.
So here I am, so, I am going tostart off with a short
introduction to this video,which is Cirque du Soleil.

Cameron (30:38):
it's obviously good to just like, gust for an item.
Um, it is like, a prettysignificant package.
Um, to like,

Liam (30:48):
And we're on to the next thing.
And I'm going to play you alittle bit of that.
I'm going to play you the first

Brent (31:04):
So you're saying it's a B package?
I'm hearing you say it's notthat good, but, like, it could
be good if there were bad cardsonly.

Liam (31:11):
and we'll see you next time.

Cameron (31:15):
we said is like, it's five cards, and you can't really
prize the Meowstic, or you losethat all together.
And

Liam (31:22):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you again

(31:46):
very soon.

Abaan (31:51):
this Esper package.
First of all,

Liam (31:52):
very much for having me.
for having me.
Mmm, a little bit of thosenotes.
I can't do anything else.
I'm done.
I'm done right now.
I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm done.
I'm done and done and done.
I'm done.
I'm done.

(32:12):
I'm done.
And never to be recorded.
I'm done.
I'm done.
It's as as done.
All that's left of it.
Are you doing the

Abaan (32:23):
there's like, a lot of like, fundamental issues with,
uh, with that, with thisMeowstic line.
But it seemed good to me,because I, we have Hyper Aroma
already, but turns out you wantHyper Aroma for three dangos.
You do not want to be having twodangos and a Meowstic.

Liam (32:35):
Oh, dude, how does, how does cold den go, like, your
bolt magic gets a lot worse whenthey have Slitherwing now,
right?

Abaan (32:42):
Um,

Liam (32:43):
mean,

Abaan (32:43):
just playing more Gust.
I have the

Liam (32:45):
yeah,

Abaan (32:45):
so now I'm

Liam (32:46):
if you have CC, you should be like on lock, right, but,
yeah, I mean,

Cameron (32:52):
Um, Togi Kiss card

Abaan (32:54):
key, too, right?
So it's not all bad.

Cameron (32:56):
I, I in Japan, I also saw in Japan that a, uh, a gold
dangle list play this Togi kisscard that we talked about
earlier.
And so basically you're, you'reprobably trading the coin flip
of, of Pokemon catcher for thecoin flip of Togi kiss take
extra prizes.

Abaan (33:10):
two coins and we need a heads! But like, this time it's
like ten

Cameron (33:13):
Is

Liam (33:25):
pretty good, bro.
yeah, exactly.
You're doing it at like the endof your turn, right?
It's not just like her in themiddle and like maybe I'm gonna
do more stuff and like

Abaan (33:31):
yeah,

Liam (33:32):
again.
Yeah, dude, I need this one.
Nice.

Cameron (33:38):
it good?
Maybe not, but it's funny asheck.

Abaan (33:41):
love the Japanese though, that's like, only something come
up with, like, I would never jama togekiss in my Danko deck.
so funny.

Cameron (33:52):
It's, it's ADP on a coin flip that you don't have to
stop, you know, a turn actuallylike attack and do it.

Abaan (34:00):
boss, you probably think this Togakiss card is like,
Togakiss card is like, insane.
Like, that's why Shinoi's like,I think it's like, good.
I think it's alright.
Shinoi, like, literally wassitting there, playing against
himself, bro.
I watched this with my own twoeyes, bro.
He was sitting there playingagainst himself, and he's like,
what am I playing against?
Drago.
Flips his heads.
He goes, I'll take three! Andlike, I, in that moment, it was
locked.

(34:20):
We're playing, he's playingTogekiss for life, bro.
That was the

Cameron (34:23):
I know,

Liam (34:23):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you all again

(34:44):
soon.
And that's it.

Cameron (34:51):
sparks.
Yeah, no, this card'sridiculous, dude, but Only a few
flip heads.
Yes, bro, yes.
The hard part is spitting it.
No.
Please.

Abaan (35:12):
think

Liam (35:12):
yeah, exactly like I said.
It's like somewhat able toreplace like getting like a
Duskner out like you have a lotof games where you get this like
early Duskner right you go likepop in for Fan Rotom Duskull and
then Fan Rotom set up and thenlike you have access to this
turn 2 Duskner but like the turn2 Duskner pop isn't very good
right like you kind of going onefor one and you're not walking
them into Briar, like, so youend up kind of just like sitting

(35:33):
on this Duskner the whole game.
If that Duskner is instead likea Togekiss, I can see how that's
like, powerful.

Abaan (35:39):
And then, and then later in the game, you just pop it for
two dus holes.
When you need to proc one andlike the, like the dus goal is
like a turn two to three play.
Anyways, in my like experiencewith the deck,

Liam (35:49):
think you'd cut one of the Duskulls to make space for this
Togekiss, but like, I don'tthink you would.
No.
No.

Abaan (36:00):
0 1 toga kiss line.
I, probably would play it intropical if I was actually like.
It's, it's gonna be one of thefirst things I try on ladder.
Like, uh, is it live right now,SearchingSparks?
I was like, get a look.
Is it tomorrow or when does itgo live?

Liam (36:14):
I think it probably comes out at the end of this ladder
period.

Cameron (36:17):
Yeah.
I think it's another day or

Liam (36:21):
days.
Two days.

Cameron (36:21):
it's another day or two, uh, yeah, give ELO ladder
update.

Liam (36:28):
I'm at, uh, I'm at 49 20.
We're cut.

Cameron (36:32):
my gosh, I would be, Brent, oh, it, it, it, it, it,
it, it, it, it,

Brent (36:43):
Oh my god, I'm looking forward to seeing the
spreadsheet guys, what can Isay, you know, whatever it takes
to make the pod great, I'mwilling to make that sacrifice,
and if that means sacrificing mychild, so be it.
That's what we're willing to dofor you people.

Abaan (36:56):
his whole child for the pod, bro.

Liam (36:58):
No, the bro.
Bye.

Abaan (37:20):
I was pretty good.
You

Cameron (37:21):
I've,

Abaan (37:21):
my ELO.

Cameron (37:23):
that, I've sent that 24 20.
I'm feeling like, man, I spenttoo much time on life

Abaan (37:28):
Yeah.
How can you have double my ELO?
I thought I was playing thisgame a disgusting amount.
Like,

Liam (37:33):
Yeah, bro.

Abaan (37:34):
bro?

Liam (37:37):
I'm bro.
That's something that hit me,too.
I was like, you know, like, allthese people are like, bro, I
have like 2, 000 or something.
I'm like, 2, 000, bro.

Cameron (37:44):
2000, right?

Liam (37:46):
mean,

Brent (37:47):
2000! Do you even play?
Do you even play?
Yeah, you can filthy casual.

Liam (37:51):
yeah, I'm like, you're up like 40 wins, bro.
40 wins.

Abaan (38:00):
I think there has to be a critical mass where you are
officially bad at the game forhaving too much ELO.
I'm, I don't want to sayanything like you may have
reached that critical mass,

Liam (38:09):
Dude, I definitely, oh my god.

Abaan (38:11):
a very respectable

Cameron (38:12):
wonder where, I wonder

Liam (38:13):
No, man.

Cameron (38:13):
leaderboard.
Is there like leaderboard wherewe can

Liam (38:16):
dude, I.

Cameron (38:16):
place?

Liam (38:17):
There's literally no, there's nobody else that like,
even above like 3, 000, like,you

Cameron (38:22):
in a thousand points than me! Ha ha ha ha ha!

Liam (38:34):
this is like, it's possible, but like, no, like,
genuinely, is like, dude, thisone was this one was

Brent (38:41):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you again in

(39:02):
the next few days or so.

Liam (39:12):
I know, I know, I know

Abaan (39:13):
even know what to tell you,

Liam (39:13):
what

Abaan (39:13):
Like

Liam (39:14):
said, bro.

Abaan (39:16):
it's, it's

Liam (39:16):
I, I know I, but I mean, like, it's not really about
that.
It's like, know, long term

Abaan (39:23):
aura.

Liam (39:24):
it's, it's long term, right?
Like,

Abaan (39:25):
Long

Liam (39:25):
know,

Cameron (39:26):
Yes,

Liam (39:31):
not like, you know, show up to work one day and then
like, boom.
The next day you get like payraise, right?
Like it's, uh.
You know, show up every singleday, for and years and years,
and pay it off, right?

Brent (39:42):
Even, even Rahul has a bad tournament from time to
time, guys.

Cameron (39:45):
Yes, Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.

Abaan (39:48):
Yes, that's a great point.

Liam (39:51):
Yeah, it was, you know.

Cameron (39:52):
mean, outside of those three cards, right, do you think
any, does either of you thinkanything's like great?
I think there's like a,Countergain.
Countergain's very good, but Ijust don't think there's that
many good attackers

Abaan (40:06):
list.

Cameron (40:07):
or good uses.

Liam (40:08):
I know, it's not, it doesn't lean into the counter
game heavily enough, there's noreason for us to be playing,
like, so many missed energy, Ithink, like, I feel like,

Cameron (40:13):
I'm

Liam (40:15):
right?
Like, we should just be countergame, Ogre Pond counter game all
while, like, we should Over andover and over, right?

Cameron (40:21):
I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm

Liam (40:30):
Like, we can, we can ARVN for energies now.
There's, like, no reason for usto put, put so much stress on,
like, trying to find the energy.

Abaan (40:35):
needs

Cameron (40:35):
I'm

Abaan (40:37):
bro.
Like, I am not losing to thesebulls with bundles, bro.
Like, these bulls, they, like,they're sucking on their thumb.
I want to be owning them.

Liam (40:43):
Yeah, I think, think you can go, I think you can go two
Mimmy, two Mimmy, one Mawile,and then no Stretcher, and I
think it's okay.
Like, think access to a second,having access to the second
Mimikyu raw is, like, animportant part of being able to
cut the Stretcher.

Abaan (40:58):
don't care about the stretcher card.
I just want more recursion of myThorin and Rosannes.
Like, I would be down for nostretcher, third pad, Rosannes,
and Thorin, no Syleen.
I think that's that's anacceptable amount of recovery.
pad along with all these otheregregious cuts you're always
suggesting is crazy.
We need that third pad in there,please bro, please.
Like I was getting it done but Ifelt like I was on the verge of

(41:21):
not getting it done and like Iknow that shouldn't matter like
you don't want to you want to bewinning it's okay for like not
it's

Liam (41:27):
You, you felt like you needed

Brent (41:28):
So,

Liam (41:56):
were like 80 cards, this wouldn't be enough, but like,
who cares, we're not playing an80 card deck, like, just play
60, bro, and this is like,always enough, like, no matter
what the 60 is.

Cameron (42:08):
All right, so they think Countergain's getting
control, um, which figured itout quite yet, but outside of
control, I don't, I it hard,

Abaan (42:19):
The thing about Control, though, is even without figuring
it out, you still own, like, somuch of the meta, and then
every,

Cameron (42:25):
yeah.

Abaan (42:25):
you figure out a little bit more, you just, like, own

Liam (42:27):
all for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing
you all again next year.

Abaan (42:53):
like, would like to sit in a vacuum chamber and think
about everything and testeverything for hours and hours
and hours, like, Liam'sattempting that, I guess, but
like, the rest of us, like, wehave to like, go to class, do
these things, like, I don'tknow, life, like, you know,
like, do laundry, et cetera, etcetera, and then you just don't
have time to like, muse everycontrol angle, you know, and
then you get distracted, youplay Draugr for a couple weeks,

(43:15):
like, then all of a sudden thetournament's here, it's like,
it's, it's, it's, it's crunchtime, bro, you gotta turn in a
list, so, that's how you, that'show you do, like,

Cameron (43:26):
All right, outside of the addition of countergain,
which has applications incontrol, like obviously to use
bear, to use all these otherattackers for an energy lust,
which enables like these threeenergy attackers.
then maybe Control, didn't haveaccess to in one turn before,
like Goofalot.
but I think the other attackers,like back when Counter Gain, I

(43:50):
think the first time it waslegal, and it was like really,
really good in that format,there was a lot of single
energy, like type energy pluscolorless energy attackers.
Um, so two energy attackers, andI don't feel like there are a
lot of good two energy attackersright now.

Liam (44:06):
I, I think there might be, I think we, yeah, we, we have to
look into this.
I think, I,

Abaan (44:11):
all

Liam (44:12):
stuff like Raiku comes to mind.
Like, you can just, like, blowup a Pidgeot,

Abaan (44:16):
and

Liam (44:18):
Gain CC.

Abaan (44:18):
hope to

Liam (44:21):
maybe in, like, Entei, like, um, those guys are
obviously, like, the, like,

Abaan (44:25):
soon.

Liam (44:26):
colorless attackers.

Cameron (44:28):
the premiere ones,

Liam (44:29):
Yeah.
like, I mean, there's definitelystuff, like, this is something
that has to be examined.

Abaan (44:34):
saying yeah, exactly.
I don't feel confident sayingthat that doesn't exist in this
format because I don't know thisformat, like, the back of my
hand, you know, like, I think,like,

Cameron (44:40):
Yeah.

Abaan (44:41):
assignment that I should just get around to doing and,
like, uh, being thorough.
I I

Liam (44:46):
I think

Abaan (44:46):
I just haven't done my due diligence, right?

Liam (44:48):
the other thing that's really good for countergain is
that it exists in the sameformat as Arven, like,

Abaan (44:53):
Oh,

Liam (44:54):
I think that

Abaan (44:55):
you

Liam (44:55):
combination is just, like, incredibly strong.
I, like, like, a deck thatdoesn't take prizes very
aggressively is going to be ableto use the countergain a lot
more and it's harder for decksthat are aggressively taking
prizes, but like, um, you know,I think that beyond just, like,
control centric decks, thereshould be, there should be other
stuff that's able to utilizethis, like, Arven countergain

(45:16):
combo.
Um, Yoshiyuki was playing it inSlacking EX on his, uh, on his
YouTube, and it looked, uh, itlooked pretty good.

Abaan (45:27):
radzard for one energy on three prizes with this
countergame?

Liam (45:31):
mm

Abaan (45:32):
that must be insane, like, I'm like, literally like
the lowest hanging fruit, likethe cards that already exist,
that are very prevalent, thatalready even say reduce the
cost, and I'm like, do thatthing, plus one more, like, I
can't imagine that it's like,not much more creative and
better applications

Liam (45:49):
hmm.
Yeah, I think that card's gonnabe insane.
What is this?
Are

Abaan (45:57):
the turnaround is so fast, and at first I thought
this was a huge advantage forpeople who work on LAIC, which
it is, but one annoying thing isthat the format is not going to
be developed by the peoplegoing, so like, you kind of need
to play with the best, like,either like, beatstick, or like,
very well thought out control,but like, the point is like, it
Like, you gotta use the factthat you have the new cards and
they don't, and like, that'slike your big edge, right?

(46:18):
Cause like, they're not gonna beplaying like, unrefined versions
of new decks.
They're everyone else who islike, going to LAIC, or like,
don't really know what to do,they're just gonna be

Liam (46:26):
we playing Drago, bro?
No!

Abaan (46:29):
They're all just playing Draugr with like, no cuts, or
they're playing Bolts, playinglike not like you're gonna go to
a tournament where you get to belike My testing group has, like,
this lost beacon list that's,like, unrefined, right?
And we beat that with this,like, other deck we're playing.
They're not on that level yet.
They're just playing, like, whatthey were playing, like, last
week, bro.
Like, they didn't

Liam (46:48):
is,

Abaan (46:48):
the sleeves, like,

Liam (46:49):
this is like the genius of Tord, bro.
Like, know, that's like the onlyguy that I think, I don't think
he's doing NAIC.
Like, if you said one weekturnaround, I'll say he's gonna
make the best list ever, bro.
He only needs, he only needsfive minutes.
It's

Abaan (47:05):
how it's

Liam (47:05):
crazy,

Abaan (47:06):
possible that my statement could have, like,
related to TORID.
I actually could have sat in aroom for an hour and, like, not
been able to tell you how Liamwas going to turn that into a
TORID statement,

Liam (47:14):
Yeah, I knew Obama was gonna say something, but I had
to get that off my chest, bro.
All right.

Cameron (47:18):
don't.
I don't.

Abaan (47:19):
that was a crazy trick, bro.
That was an Olympic gymnastperformance on it, bro.

Cameron (47:25):
What I will say is, I don't think it'll be that hard
this time, like, I'm gonna showup to LAIC with this, uh, really
sick Reggie Drago deck that Ithink is gonna be, like, one of
the best lists in the room, andthen,

Liam (47:36):
Yeah, I

Cameron (47:49):
heh.

Abaan (47:50):
of them and they're all like

Cameron (47:51):
No, no,

Brent (48:04):
what, what's the over under on, on like, uh, what's
Tord does whatever at LAIC andthen Liam says, trust in Tord.

Abaan (48:10):
He's not going to LAC.
He,

Cameron (48:11):
no, he's not going to LAC.

Abaan (48:12):
last

Brent (48:13):
Oh, oh,

Abaan (48:14):
boycotting.

Cameron (48:15):
he's, he's,

Brent (48:19):
board with boycotting LAIC.

Liam (48:22):
his aura is unmatched, like, you can feel his

Cameron (48:25):
Oh my god.

Liam (48:26):
of room, it's like, palpable,

Cameron (48:29):
I could press this in the real way now, but this guy
did that.

Liam (48:34):
like, tell that he's not there when you're, when you're
at LA.
I see.

Brent (48:37):
It's just a weight that's going to hang over all those
people.
When the guy wins thattournament, it's going to have
an asterisk.

Abaan (48:42):
I

Liam (48:43):
Yeah?

Abaan (48:43):
cancelled my

Liam (48:43):
Can you help me?

Abaan (48:44):
after, after finding out Tord was not going.
I'm not going either.
I refuse to go.

Brent (48:49):
mean, it's not a real victory for you to go and win.

Liam (48:51):
bro.

Brent (48:54):
Thanks for coming.
Happy to answer any questionsthat you may have.
Thanks for coming, and enjoy therest of your day.
Bye bye.
Bye.

Liam (49:10):
Tord just got second, bro.
And like, for any other player,this is like, oh god, bro, like,
you know, top cut, like, this iscrazy.
For Tord, he's likeunderperforming.
This is crazy work! He's sogood! Like,

Abaan (49:22):
I think, to an extent, the fact that he, um, he threw
in finals is like kind ofkilling the hype a bit.
A little bit.
Like, I don't hold it againsthim.
Stream is different.
We've established that now.
But,

Cameron (49:34):
it's,

Abaan (49:35):
killing the aura a little bit.

Cameron (49:37):
yeah, hurts a little bit that the last one was like
a, a, a pretty, a pretty

Abaan (49:40):
aura, like a game defining

Liam (49:42):
I agree a little bit, but I think, at

Cameron (49:45):
it's an easy mistake to make in the

Brent (49:47):
I

Liam (50:12):
ooh,

Abaan (50:14):
I don't want to I thought I could see it coming.
I can actually feel it comingfor a while away, like no
hindsight.
But I also see a lot of mistakesthat don't end up happening
advance.
This is a potential mistake, andthey don't make it.
I'm like, okay, that's normal.
So.
A broken clock is like, right,like, twice a day, whatever.
But the thing is, like, when anypleb can see a mistake, just

(50:34):
some bum, like, is watching thegame, is like, oh, he made a
mistake here, and then can pointit out.
Like, I talked to, like,Bradner, for example, about,
like, one of Rahul's, like,earlier series.
Like, I was, like, I was askingBradner, like, uh, you know,
like, Rahul, like, not winning.
Is it choking, or, like, badmatchups, or what?
Because I didn't follow the gamethat closely, right?
And he was telling me, like, howRahul, like, threw a final three
times.
But, like, it was, like, subtlestuff, you know?

(50:55):
Like, stuff that, like You know,like, it's not obvious to
anyone.
And, like,

Liam (50:59):
Only Bradners.

Abaan (51:00):
players can be like, he's like a, oh, he's sold three
times, like, ha ha ha.
But if, like, any of thosemistakes were, like, in your
face bad, then, like, it's,like, just more talked about.
It's, like, a different level ofmistake, like, and, and it
shouldn't be a different levelof mistake in terms of,

Liam (51:13):
I, I, I agree, but I think it's

Abaan (51:15):
but

Liam (51:16):
Yeah, I mean, no glaze, but I think it's, I think it's,
uh, both things can be true.
I think that, like, you know,people are probably, like, uh,
discrediting the result morefinals, but also, like, they
wouldn't give him credit for asecond place anyways.
I think.
Yeah.

Abaan (51:29):
agree with this.
So, fair enough.

Cameron (51:31):
Well, it's hard, it's pull Ding thing and it's showing
his results and it's like threewins and

Liam (51:39):
Yeah.
Dude,

Cameron (51:40):
oh

Liam (51:41):
see that.

Cameron (51:42):
there's a there's a bunch of other ICs he's won and
a bunch other regions he's wonwe top four.

Abaan (51:48):
Yes, when

Liam (51:49):
Exactly, bro.

Abaan (51:50):
to fill up the page, you do, you, like, no regional win
can be that sick.

Liam (51:54):
Yeah.

Abaan (51:56):
Yeah,

Liam (51:56):
Oh, I,

Abaan (51:58):
Tord, we all know this, like, I'm just saying, like,
it's a factor.
The fact that he, like, messedup, like, in an obvious way is a
factor for why it's not astalked about,

Liam (52:07):
Yeah,

Abaan (52:07):
well.

Liam (52:07):
I don't know, I just, you know, I'm always one, like, uh,
like same with LeBron, right?
Like, chance to, like, witnessgreatness, like, you shouldn't,
uh, you shouldn't take it forgranted.
It's, um, it's an incrediblething,

Abaan (52:18):
Do you think it's like a coincidence that like all these
people you think are so greatare like specifically of our
generation?
Is it possible that like, everygeneration

Cameron (52:25):
This meme grew up in the greatest generation of all
time.

Liam (52:28):
No, no, yeah, yeah,

Abaan (52:32):
we got a voice when distorted, bro.
Do you think like,

Liam (52:35):
no, I,

Abaan (52:36):
you'd be saying all that?

Liam (52:37):
that's completely valid.
It's completely valid.
Like, what's wrong that?
No.

Brent (52:42):
I think it's easy to say, like, Jordan and LeBron are the
greatest two of all time.
And, and Bill Russell is like,uh, you know, top five, top ten
guy, right?

Abaan (52:50):
point is that if Liam was like, his age now in that era,
he'd be saying the same exactthing.
It doesn't matter.
He's just, whoever he sees onTV, that's the greatest guy,
bro.
That's,

Brent (53:00):
Yeah, uh, I think, I think, uh, you know, the good
news is, Pokémon's not 200 yearsold, like, uh, you know, there
are, there are good players thatare, like, still playing the
game actively that, like, sawJason Klesinski do the thing,
and I think everybody agreesJason Klesinski is either the
first or second best playerever.
And Tord is the other guy.

Liam (53:21):
you would think it's 200 years old, bro, and you'd think
he'd be around this whole time,so, uh,

Abaan (53:26):
dude leave, he's been around since I like, I remember
him like top 16ing Worlds orwhatever when I was a kid bro
like he's been doing this shitforever like it's

Liam (53:34):
I don't know.

Abaan (53:34):
we've been on some kind of generational run recently
he's like

Liam (53:37):
Bro, yeah,

Abaan (53:38):
like, You

Liam (53:39):
I, I'm aware, bro, I'm, I'm fully aware, like, this is,
uh, it's years and years andyears of experience, right, and
that's, that's what it takes to,

Brent (53:46):
Yeah,

Liam (53:47):
like that, bro.

Brent (53:48):
yeah, well, like, Jason Kaczynski won the world three
times, and everybody was like,you know, the national
championships, the thing thateluded him, and then he won that
too, like, yeah, you I,

Abaan (53:57):
by the way, so sick.
Insane.
I

Brent (53:59):
was a great, that was a great tournament.

Abaan (54:01):
I can never stop thinking about that.
no, no.

Brent (54:04):
was absolutely great, that's,

Abaan (54:05):
of it or anything, it's just like, it was like an
unwinnable matchup, he didn'teven win a single game, but he
still won the series.

Liam (54:13):
Aura.

Abaan (54:14):
like, insane.
He didn't win a single game ofthe of you just can't win a
game, but he won a series.
Like, how is that even possible?
I

Liam (54:22):
you know how it's possible! Everybody who watched
that knows how it's possible!

Abaan (54:25):
know, I know.

Cameron (54:28):
But if you remove Sandaconda,

Abaan (54:29):
though.
They had to

Brent (54:30):
yeah.

Abaan (54:31):
rules.
They're like, you have to win agame.
You have to win, you have tophysically win one game to win a
series nowadays.
Not Jason Klusinski, Ralph.
your, has torrent changed in anyrule other than like, yo, play
faster?
No.

Cameron (54:45):
pretty,

Liam (54:46):
Yeah, bro.
All the

Cameron (54:48):
big

Liam (54:48):
new titles, that's bro.
That's him.

Abaan (54:50):
Okay, okay.
Fair enough.

Brent (54:55):
right, guys, uh, um, we gotta, we gotta call it so we
can get this election nightedition out, out the door.
Um, any advice for people goingto CUPS this weekend?

Abaan (55:05):
But yo, if you're going to have this format, if your
locals, like, if they playDrago, then, or sorry, if they
play Bolt, you can't play Drago,I guess, you could probably play
Terropicus.
But if there's no Bolt in sight,rip out that Drago.
Look it up, bro.
Kermit Shanoi, Limitless.
Run that exact 60.
there's

Liam (55:21):
If you're in the, uh, if you're in the Bay Area, unless
you value second place, Iwouldn't bother showing up.
I'll say.

Abaan (55:27):
my god, bro.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.

Cameron (55:32):
How many wins?
How many Cub wins do you have?
How many Cub wins do you have,Liam?

Liam (55:35):
got two right now.

Cameron (55:37):
talking mad things with only two Cub wins, bro.
Oh, goodness.
Gardevoir versus

Abaan (55:54):
did we talk about this off the show?
We might have, yeah, so I

Brent (55:56):
Yeah, yeah, we talked about it off show.

Abaan (55:58):
it's me, Henry, and Josh Frake.
We're on a call, we're gonna beplaying Gardy versus, uh,
Bradner, Drick, or AndrewHedrick, and Michael Davidson.
We may not have the name value,but, uh, we're gonna 4L these
guys, so, uh, it's like a,

Brent (56:12):
What, what's Twitch stream?
Do, do, do, do like a littlemore marketing?
What do they gotta watch?

Abaan (56:17):
Uh, go to YouTube.
com, just go to ZoolGG, that'swhere everyone

Brent (56:20):
Oh, okay, oh, it's a little slow.
All right, good times.

Abaan (56:23):
yeah.

Cameron (56:25):
Veggie

Brent (56:25):
How do you guys feel about the fact that you're wild
underdogs?
That Michael Davidson is thethird best in the country, and

Liam (56:30):
bro, got Henry Chow, Henry okay.

Cameron (56:32):
if they're underdog,

Liam (56:34):
Yeah.

Abaan (56:34):
you think you're under if we're underdogs and you'd like
to take some side action, I'mvery much open to it.
Like, if you can somehow hit myline before 5.
30 EST tomorrow, I don't knowhow it's possible, I'm open to
taking more action.
I'll buy more of myself.
I'm like, uh, who's that guy whogot banned in the NFL for
betting on games?
Calvin Ridley or something?
Is it Calvin Ridley?
I'm down.
ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Brent (56:56):
All right, guys, the John Pauls are our outro.
That's a perfect note to end on.

Liam (57:00):
Oh my god.