Louisville with Henry Chao, Cam, Abaan, Naruto & more!

Episode Transcript

h (00:04):
talking about the round structure?
Like the 12 rounds?
Oh,

Abaan (00:08):
Yeah,

Liam (00:08):
Yeah, yeah,

Abaan (00:09):
Nathan Skinsberg not making, not making it, and same
with Shemansky, getting one bandafter going 4 0 day 2.

h (00:15):
yeah, that's obviously

Liam (00:16):
X2, one band,

h (00:18):
think anyone would agree that that is it should be.
I guess the question is, right?
Ah!

Abaan (00:27):
think it might have been okay if they, like, all made top
16, you know, like, like, okay,it's not okay, but wow, some of
them missing top 16 and, like,not getting to play ASIM and
just going home with their oneband after, like, they didn't
really do anything wrong, youknow?
But, like, going X2, I feel likeat some point we have to
recognize that there is somevariance in the game, and like,
there's this argument on TwitterI saw that like, Oh, well,

(00:47):
there's 8 people in cut, and top8 is top 8, like, what's the big
deal?
But it's like, that would belike, if we just randomly, like,
in the old structure, justdecided at one point in the
tournament, like, alright, who'sthe people at tables 1 through
4?
They're cut now.
Like, that's top cut.
There's like,

Liam (01:02):
think, um, yeah, like, there's too much variance when
X1 1 is the cut, right, like,you have to be like 95 percent
win rate, right, and like, Atthat point you just, you have to
be high rolling, like, 80percent win rate across more
rounds is like more respectablethan 95 percent across fewer
rounds, you know what I mean?

Abaan (01:23):
of course.
if tournament report, like, hetalked about it on, um, well, I,
not a podcast, because like,we're the only one, but like,
just heard it somehow, and uh,

Cameron (01:34):
video.
YouTube video.

Abaan (01:35):
yeah, yeah, and he said like, uh, literally his whole
report was like, yeah, like, dayone is like, yeah, I set up,
then I won, then I set up again,then I won, set up again, then I
won, and like, his one loss,he's like, didn't set up, lost.
Like,

Cameron (01:49):
Hi.
I set up once, didn't set up theother time.

Abaan (01:52):
yeah.

h (01:56):
Yeah, I

Liam (01:56):
Yeah.
I don't

h (01:58):
I'm sure you guys have all been on Twitter, like, Hedrick's
been saying it from essentially,like, frame one, like, what the
correct opinion is, in my, atleast in my opinion, like,
literally, like, 15 rounds, top8 was, like, perfect.
Like, why, why would you everchange it?
Like, it, it, cause, like, yousaw what

Liam (02:13):
know, I really didn't like 13 rounds.
I like way less.

h (02:16):
You like less

Liam (02:17):
I think,

Cameron (02:18):
all

Liam (02:20):
be having one more round, like, I think X2 should be the
cut.

Cameron (02:25):
today,

Liam (02:27):
But, yeah, yeah, I think X2 is the best cut.
I don't like X3 or like X2 1just playing a ton of rounds.
I think X2 is like the rightcombination of variants while
minimizing the number of rounds.
I don't like playing too manyrounds, bro.

h (02:38):
well

Cameron (02:39):
all

Liam (02:40):
as opposed to endurance testing.
That's like

Abaan (02:42):
I think my problem, though, was

Cameron (02:44):
future.

Abaan (02:45):
and 15, I think 12 3, not making cut with 15 rounds was
like kind of the same level ofegregious as x2 and 12, right?

h (02:52):
way less people, that's just

Cameron (02:54):
all for joining us today, and we look forward to
seeing you again next year.

h (03:19):
is.
Like why, how somehow It's morejust than these low round No,
with Asim thing, or, sorry.
Yeah.
Like the with Asim versus the,the high

Cameron (03:27):
I want to thank all the people who helped me get to this

Abaan (03:56):
You,

Cameron (03:56):
point, and for being

Abaan (03:57):
these extra like homework rounds.

h (03:59):
by letting you have one more are letting better

Liam (04:02):
But, but, but, I think, I think X2, X2 is like the right
amount of variants.
Like X2 and like 13 rounds islike the right amount of
variants.

Cameron (04:11):
You think

Liam (04:12):
you check for variants and minimize rounds.
I think it's the right balance.

Cameron (04:16):
yeah, like, if you think about it, fighting games,
and I get it, that's completelydifferent.
It's a lot more skill and noluck, um, but you're two rounds,
you're out, you get a, you'reout of top eight.
You get to keep playing, um,least until the end of day one,
as long as you're X2.

Abaan (04:33):
No, but we went full fighting game for Louisville,
bro.
Like, two losses and you're out.
Like, at least back in the day,it's like, we got fighting game
plus one.

Cameron (04:40):
okay, so there's a lot of things, the thing is, like, I
think is because we got up to avery particular number, which is
right underneath, uh, like, The,right before the jump to the
next number, right?
Because we were at like

Liam (04:57):
Yeah, the threshold.

Cameron (04:58):
Yeah, so we're right under the threshold, which is
just asking for problems.
We all know that.
Um, and then on top of that,like, there were chances for it
to be 30, and there was a lot ofthings that had to happen.
One was Kieran Farah, and theperson I played against, I
forget the name now, they tied.

(05:19):
Mhm, they tied, and then they,and then none of us tied after
that, right?
And then, Cal, um, threw, uh,cause I was watching his match,
so I was sitting right next tohim.
And, uh, he had definitely achance to win game two, and just
force the tie against Lugia, uh,and then he, uh, it just didn't
happen.
So, like, it just took, like,some very particular things to

(05:43):
get to that spot, and it sucks,but, you know.
You know, and it hurt a lot ofpeople this time, very vocal
people who are very prominent inthe community, but like, so, you
know, it does suck, but I don'tknow, like, it took

Liam (05:57):
Yeah, it's also important to recognize that this is like a
small scale issue, right?
Like, this is like a one in amillion sort of Maybe not one in
a million, but like, very lowpercentage chance, right?

Abaan (06:06):
But us, like, five percent of the regionals or even
ten percent of the regionalsthis year is just cooked, like,
you have to remember that, like,

Liam (06:11):
yeah, exactly.

Abaan (06:12):
like, going to, like, six, seven majors a year.
Like, the guy from Kentuckywho's, like, Okay, maybe they're
not going X2, but like, imaginethey do just pull off this
miracle run, like, their oneregional, it's like, I'm sorry,
bro, your regional was cooked.
Like, oh, you're close to the

Liam (06:24):
Yeah, exactly.

Abaan (06:25):
tough.
Oh,

Liam (06:26):
I think that is a fair argument, that like, there
shouldn't be any cookedregionals, right?
Like, we shouldn't just have tolike, accept like, this regional
is cooked.

Cameron (06:33):
This be an issue if they allowed Refunds.
And so it would have, that, yousaw a number, we saw a number in
RK9, it was like close to 2600,2700, and you think, okay,
there's going to be a certainamount of juniors, there's going
to be a certain amount ofseniors, yeah, we should clear
2000 pretty easily, but they'renot allowing refunds this year,
because they want to keep themoney, and so that number

(06:54):
doesn't lower, and so you don'tsee how many people are actually
going, and there's no one, Ableto buy the new spots.
So, this is also the, you know,whoever's putting on the event,
which we all know it's GamingGen, and it has not been great
either on their end, so,

Abaan (07:08):
I say something so different.
I thought you were gonna say,like, if they're close to, like,
the thresh not making thethreshold, that people should
would, like, be able to justrefund and, like, not go.
And I was like, that's crazy.
Oh, 1900?
No, no, no, he's saying peoplearen't able to refill and buy

Cameron (07:21):
Or, or, or,

Abaan (07:23):
we're too close to the threshold.
staying home.
Ha

Cameron (07:26):
or we just, or maybe you can buy the new slots, but
you just can't see how manypeople are actually going,
because it doesn't update,because there's no refund.
so that sucks, like it's justanother thing that you just
wouldn't know that going in, andwe would have known if they
allow refunds.
But, uh, you know, it's just allthese things that are little
things, and, but it is what itis, right?

(07:48):
It's part of,

Liam (07:49):
Yeah.

Cameron (07:50):
and Pokemon usually does not, I would not expect
them to change anything midseason at this point.
Um, they might change it fornext season, but I think that's
the earliest we get it.

h (08:03):
is everyone's, like,

Liam (08:03):
Yeah, right, they're probably numb.

h (08:05):
Like, you had to pick, like, a structure, 15, like, I already
said, like, I would just do 15,top 8, no ASM, but what would
you guys do?

Abaan (08:16):
Hmm.

Liam (08:17):
I'd basically just do one more round from Lily though.
Like, same structure, but theyplay like one more round.

h (08:21):
Okay.

Cameron (08:23):
Yeah, which is just have another 100 people, right,
and we get that fifth round,

Abaan (08:28):
To be honest, I my ideal structure is like, not like, it
would be nine rounds day one,but x it's like x2 to make day
two, and then five rounds daytwo, and then the ASIM.
So 14 rounds total, ASIM, butlike, I didn't like x2 one
making day two.
I liked it just being morecutthroat.
Maybe it can be it can be like,I don't yeah, I think that I
think that's perfect.
Nine rounds day one, x2 makesit, five rounds day two.

h (08:53):
I don't know, like, I don't personally have a huge problem

Liam (08:55):
I agree.
Yeah,

h (08:57):
I know a lot of people have said this, but I do think that
allowing, like, one tie is goodfor the game.
Like, I think it's stupid if youget, like, like, this has never
griefed by someone, then, like,that shouldn't just fuck your

Cameron (09:08):
Or just, or just, you know, remove, or just make the
rules, like adjust the rules sothere's, less likely to tie.
However, they would change it,right?

Liam (09:19):
yeah, I think

Abaan (09:21):
natural tie in months, like, at this tournament, and
like, I felt like it was such afluke, like, the only reason it
happened was because I thought Iwas a lock to win game two, so I
was like, not really paying thatmuch attention, and then like,
he hit me with a Thornton play,and I was like, oh my goodness,
he got me

Cameron (09:33):
all for joining us today, and we'll see you next
time.

Liam (09:45):
I kind of agree Ubon, but I think, I think trying to like,
punish ties is a very band aidsolution for like, the issue of
ties in Pokemon right now.
Like, right now, there's just,like, there's like more
structural issues than like, theincentive.
Yeah.

Cameron (09:59):
think it punishes ties day one.
I think like one tie day two isactually really good.

h (10:05):
Well, in this,

Liam (10:06):
Yes, yes.
It, like, punish it too heavily,right?
But,

Cameron (10:09):
I think it's just in general because

Abaan (10:11):
puts you into, like, the

Cameron (10:12):
I think it like, think a lot of the

Liam (10:14):
yeah, it puts you, it puts you like a bracket up, right?

Cameron (10:17):
you for certain seeding on wins, right?

h (10:20):
a tie

Abaan (10:21):
Like, a tie is functionally, like, having god
resistance, right?
Like, exactly.
You can either think about,like, having a good resi Like,
either good resistance or just,like, having almost, like, a
win.
Except you don't get to be inthe next threshold, like, you're
just at the best at yourthreshold.

Cameron (10:35):
Yeah.
Mm hmm.

h (11:00):
one to be in top cut, like, for sure, just based on who was

Liam (11:03):
I, dude, yeah, I thought that deck was like really well
positioned.
I think it's still one of thebest decks for the format.
Like, it is, it's just like areally strong deck right now.

h (11:10):
Yeah.

Abaan (11:11):
I didn't expect Drago and Palkia's numbers to be at all
comparable.
Like, I assume that like, oh,I'm taking an auto loss to
Palkia, or maybe not an autoloss, but a very bad auto loss
to Palkia.
That's acceptable, becausethat's like a sub 5 percent
deck.
But they're taking an auto lossto Drago.
That's unacceptable, becausethat's like a plus 10 percent
deck.
But it actually ended up beinglike, we're kind of doing the
same thing.
And like, this Drago deck waslike, not that popular.

Cameron (11:33):
I want to thank the panel for a terrific
presentation, and we hope to seeyou back again

Liam (11:43):
I actually disagree.
I think they're prettycomparable.

Cameron (11:45):
Our

Liam (11:46):
I think they're pretty comparable.
I think, um, I think you canactually get pretty close.
I

Abaan (11:51):
We will

Cameron (11:52):
here to advise

Liam (11:54):
think if Drago doesn't rip a turn 2 attack without the V
Star, without using V Star, Ithink you can beat them.
I think the matchup's not thatbad.

Abaan (12:01):
use the actual Curum, no?
Like, they don't have to like,live beat Drago,

Liam (12:05):
If you play the pad, I've actually found it's pretty easy
to play around, because like,

h (12:09):
Dude, how are you finding the

Liam (12:10):
you're playing like this 4 stop, 8 switch, so it's pretty
easy to build your loss zone upwithout using Coal Rush.

h (12:18):
I mean,

Abaan (12:19):
I am suspicious of this plan.

h (12:20):
I can't say it because I

Abaan (12:21):
Yeah, I have not played it one time, but I find this
very suspicious.
Yeah.

h (12:25):
said, Lost to

Liam (12:26):
I've been jamming some games to this, I think it's, um,

Cameron (12:28):
definitely drew well

Liam (12:30):
I mean, it's like not good, but it's, uh, I mean, it's
like winnable.

h (12:35):
in Best

Cameron (12:35):
definitely drew,

h (12:38):
sorry, Shinoa, you played, him?
I played him.

Cameron (12:41):
So I've played Tyler Matthews, um, and he did just
that, um, I did draw prettywell, I, like, it does create
some interesting spots,especially if they don't draw
well and have to burn V Starearly, um, and then you just go
for, like, some Countercatcher,Sable, Roxanne play, uh, which
is exactly,

Abaan (13:00):
Zapdos card against you?

Cameron (13:02):
uh, no, Um, a lot of the times, like he did do the
pad play, which like, I waslike, okay, I have to get out of
this Kirim now, but I ended upgetting out of it.
Um, but yeah, if they don't, ifthey play Manaphy, I think it
could be close because then youwould kind of the V Star, um,

(13:26):
sometimes, or make them use theNoctowl and find even more
pieces.
Um, because if I just Kirim andwipe three prizes, um.
It's too easy.

h (13:36):
The thing is, like, didn't exist, like, if you were just
running them over with Dragapultattacks, like, the matchup would
still be favored, right?
Like, the

Liam (13:42):
Yeah, exactly, it is really, but like, you can, you
can sometimes like, you canprize race them pretty
aggressively if they like, ifthey miss a turn to attack, or
have to like, burn the V Staryou can buy the resources, and
if they miss the turn to attack,you can prize race them.

h (13:59):
their Mew?

Cameron (14:01):
so you gotta go

Liam (14:02):
Yeah, I mean, you just go after random stuff on the bench,
right?

Cameron (14:05):
Zap on Drago, and then, or, you know, Double Sableye,
Teal Mask,

Abaan (14:12):
can, like, hit this bear thing, like, this bear

Cameron (14:14):
Bear,

Liam (14:16):
possible to prize race them if they have a slow start.
you can try to like get them onresources if hit the,

Cameron (14:21):
if you have the Manaphy,

Liam (14:25):
not good,

Cameron (14:25):
you have

Liam (14:27):
think, I think it's pretty comparable to like,

h (14:30):
Like, how, what, what, if you're playing Lost Fox and you
hit a Drago day one, you know,round five or whatever, how,
what percentage do you thinkyou're getting done in best of
three?

Liam (14:42):
like

Abaan (14:42):
zero,

h (14:43):
Yeah, I, what?

Abaan (14:44):
no, bro, you are coping.

h (14:46):
That sounds just insane.
I, I just.

Abaan (14:48):
There's a reason Hedrick just sat down against Lucas
Zing, I was like, ah.
It's over.
tweeted, like, ah, over for

Liam (14:55):
Zing, bro.
I.
I think if the Drago playerstarts pretty slow, you can get
them twice, you can get them.

h (15:09):
Alright, alright.
So what else besides Lost Foxwas super interesting?
Like, I mean, I guess RagingBull winning, obviously, right?

Liam (15:18):
Maybe the most fraudulent deck in the world won, bro.
We all said it was like, notdoing well last week.

Cameron (15:23):
I

Liam (15:23):
I don't know, maybe Shannoy would have disagreed,
but

Cameron (15:25):
with what these two are going to say, just so everyone
knows, but

Liam (15:27):
yeah, I,

Abaan (15:28):
can I,

Liam (15:29):
I can't believe it! I can't believe it!

h (15:33):
way!

Abaan (15:34):
I don't think Raging Bolt is, like, this goat deck or
anything.
Like, I'm not gonna go crazy,okay?
I'm just saying

Liam (15:40):
Oh, okay.

Abaan (15:43):
because, like, Palkia, for example, I was like, oh.
Every time I watch Bolt playersplay, they walk into every
single thing in the planet.
They walk into everything, bro.
They walk into things I didn'teven know existed until I saw
them walk into it.
But then I watch Caleb like notreally bench anything and just
like attach these charms, andI'm like, damn, bro.
How is this Palkia supposed tohit through a 290 HP Raging
Bolt?

(16:03):
And then like the second the,like, Raging Bolt gets ahead, he
gets to bench out the wholefamily, bro.
There's two Teal Masks, like aFez with a Charm down, goodness,
like,

Liam (16:11):
family!

Abaan (16:13):
like

Liam (16:13):
Oh my god.

Abaan (16:14):
in a weird way, you know?
Like everything is Dango in aweird way, like, instead of
having these like gimmick goalsthat are allowed to die, he has
a 290 HP Raging Bolt that cannever die.
Like the point is, like, Youdon't bet any liabilities until
you're up to, and then you betall the liabilities at once.

Liam (16:28):
The whole family! Oh my god.
Yeah, no, I mean, I canunderstand how, especially with
the charms, you can like, buildsome like, pretty sick boards,
right?
Like, and the deck puts on a lotof pressure, but I don't know,
like, I feel like, I have toimagine that he basically just
did, like, what he did in thefinals, like, basically every
single round the entire day,which is like, ugh.

(16:49):
I guess you're just, like, notgonna play Chorus Games 2 and 3.
Gotcha! Like,

Abaan (16:52):
Karen, like, did

Liam (16:53):
matchup's terrible!

Abaan (16:54):
I just, like, lost, like, insta.
10 minutes.

Liam (16:57):
yeah.
I bet, bro, if he gets a Lugiaout, he wins! Like, it's like,
like, the price trade isactually so cooked in that
matchup, like, if the Archeopsever come down, you should,
like, basically always lose.
If.
As long as like, a million twoprizers don't also come down,
right?
But like, you have this like,Legacy Ciancino, he's just
playing, he's playing like, 2 2Ciancino.
Like, this guy's going crazywith it.

h (17:19):
terms

Liam (17:19):
Um,

h (17:20):
though, right?
I mean,

Cameron (17:21):
hope to see

Liam (17:25):
bro.

h (17:26):
hit?
I don't

Cameron (17:27):
all again soon.

Liam (17:31):
I mean,

Abaan (17:32):
on there and expect to like, vac later.
Like, sometimes they like, theyjust assume they're gonna vac at
some point.
Like, obviously, like, most ofus

Cameron (17:38):
If anyone has a video go online and watch on your
laptop, or, you know, some sortof book.
Just go to www.
gnico.
com.

Liam (17:50):
the 4 Retrieval is so good.
Like, is definitely like, theway to play Raging Bolt.
Like, he got rid of all thegarbage, bro.
Like, don't really know thegarbage is there until you see
like, a good player cut it.
Right?
Like,

h (18:02):
grasp I think is

Abaan (18:03):
Dude, I've been

Liam (18:04):
like, it kind of flies under the radar.

Abaan (18:06):
Bolt years, bro.
Years, as in since Worlds.
Like, I've literally beenplaying this Bolt, like,
Catchers, Bundle, Stretcherthing, and I was like, and every
time I played any other deck, Iwas like, bro, what am I gonna
do when they, like, bundle threetimes a game?
And then I play them, and theydon't even have Bundle one time
a game.
I'm like, this

Liam (18:20):
yeah, exactly, bro.
Oh god, ugh.
I can't imagine not playing oneon that deck, much less, and
like, the stretchers of course,they're pretty sweet.
I think the two stretcher counttoo is also like lit, like,
committing too hard to the bitand running like four stretcher,
like, the card's like not thatgood, you know?
I think this two stretcher islike, perfect.

Abaan (18:42):
Retrieval.
I think no one was enlightenedthat 4 Retrieval was

Liam (18:44):
Yes, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Abaan (18:46):
I don't know,

Liam (18:47):
Yeah, like, four retrieval, two stretcher.

Abaan (18:49):
Liam, if he played this tournament though and the list
came out and it was 3 3, wewould be glazing that too.
We would literally say like,this is so mature, like, I don't
think we have any way todistinguish between this 4

Cameron (18:58):
Peneloperovich laughs

Liam (19:03):
it's definitely, like, very mature, like, very lit,
like, perfect, like,

Cameron (19:08):
Penelope laughs again Penelope

Liam (19:18):
like, it's, uh,

h (19:20):
you guys think

Liam (19:21):
you know,

Abaan (19:21):
just saying that, like, this, ooh, this Livering card
is, like, actually insane.
Like,

Liam (19:28):
don't know, like, I think, yeah, I think it is just better,
I don't know, it's like, I'mlike a little mixed on it, but I
think it is probably better.

Abaan (19:35):
night, and I was like

Cameron (19:36):
Hello, everyone, and for

Liam (19:49):
you're like, wait, what if he charms the Mimi on the bench?
Oh,

Cameron (19:52):
us for today's webinar.

Abaan (20:05):
out of 10.

Liam (20:05):
But, I don't know, we didn't play 10, though.
I 6, and you got me, like, once.

Abaan (20:10):
No, no, I definitely got you twice.
I remember

Liam (20:12):
You got me twice?
Uh, yeah.
Yeah, we probably played, like,10.

Abaan (20:15):
no, no, yeah, yeah, I think it was okay.
I actually think the realnumbers are like 2 out of 8.
I like rounding up to 10.
I think it's like 2 out of 8.

Liam (20:22):
Yeah, I, I, I don't think we played 10.
Sounds like a lot, bro.

Abaan (20:26):
No, but you, like, you're like, you're just erasing games
you don't like from your brain,like, the, uh, I want Pidgey
Pass this game.
You got this one,

Cameron (20:33):
It

h (20:58):
Kayle's matchups, bro.
I mean, this guy got, yeah, hehad some pretty good matchups,
right?
Like, like, three Drago, theseLugias, like, I don't know, he
went 3 0 versus Lugia, like, areyou

Liam (21:10):
I don't know, but like, I wouldn't even call those good
mashups.
Like, this guy was somehowgetting it done.
Like, I feel like if I wasplaying Drago, I'd be like
confident I can get it doneagainst Bolt.
Like,

Abaan (21:18):
bro.

h (21:19):
I don't

Liam (21:19):
it's not like, it's not that good, but like I'm gonna
start doing tricks on me, bro.
Like, like, you know, like, thisis like,

Cameron (21:25):
depends on how good they draw.

h (21:27):
That's so bullshit.

Cameron (21:29):
I mean, I went 1 1 1 against Bolt, uh

Abaan (21:33):
any of them good,

Liam (21:33):
yeah, like, I

Cameron (21:50):
like, damn, you are fucking, ooh, so good at this
game.

h (21:54):
Did

Cameron (22:09):
I got the first knock and just stayed ahead the entire
time.
And then, the one that

Liam (22:14):
mean, they're spectating at that point.
Thanks.
Bye.

Cameron (22:17):
uh, that person finished top 32 as well, but the
game I won, uh, I didn't get aRegidrago V down until we were
both at two prizes remaining.
So, um,

Abaan (22:28):
Radzard just did crazy work to them?

Cameron (22:31):
yeah.
Yeah.
That's rad.

Abaan (22:33):
you had to play against a guy with three Switch Cards and
three Charms, so none of yourtricks work.
Anytime you do some Pulk magic,they're always cleaning it up.
They're cleaning it upperfectly.
Anytime you try to, like, you'renever rad starting a Bolt,
because there's always a Charm.
Like, I think, like, this is,like, a very good Bolt list,
like, I don't know, you guys,like, I think, I didn't,

Liam (22:52):
Yeah, like, I mean,

Abaan (22:53):
good

Liam (22:53):
you're, like, favored, but, like, the aura diff is,
like, it's, like, I mean,

Abaan (22:58):
Unbanned Gedimer?

Liam (23:00):
yeah, I don't know.

Abaan (23:06):
Gedimer is just asking him for the flip directly, right
before the game starts.
that 50 50 in.
Heads or tails, but like, we'replaying for the game, you know?

h (23:17):
I mean, maybe that's why he played Bolt, that's actually a
Like, with Bolt, he's flippingfor it a lot of the time, right?
Genius.

Abaan (23:26):
We've hit time! Let me see if this catcher woulda hit.
It did! Hmm.
Opponent?
We have to sign this lip.
Someone we know did

Cameron (23:37):
for joining us today, and

Liam (23:45):
bro.
What a,

Abaan (23:46):
like that.

Cameron (23:47):
look

Liam (23:49):
other guy gave it to him,

Cameron (23:50):
to

Liam (23:52):
Oh my God,

Abaan (23:53):
uh, Liam, you would not believe who it

Cameron (23:55):
again next time.

Abaan (24:01):
No leaks, bro, this is some, uh,

Cameron (24:06):
Good shit, man.

h (24:07):
like, notable thing was, like, Dragapult doing terrible,
which A bot knows I was, like,completely wrong about this.
Like, I thought this deck wasgoing to be everywhere.
deck was actually

Cameron (24:15):
That's because of Bolt, right?

Liam (24:17):
Like.

Cameron (24:17):
of Bolt.
No, it's not the most fraudulentdeck, it's because Bolt was the
most played deck, and then itruns it over.

h (24:26):
Yeah, especially with this Rotom build, like, if you Yeah,
I guess it's pretty bad.
I feel like if you, uh, I don'tknow, people have told me, like,
when they play Bolt, they canbeat Bolt, but I guess they were
just lying, like Liam talksabout when he plays Drago
against Bolt.
Like, everyone just copes whenthey play

Abaan (24:40):
Dude, they,

Cameron (24:43):
Yeah, everyone says they're doing tricks on it until
they play a good player, andthen they just, and they're
like, ah, they just ran hot.
They just ran hot.

Abaan (24:50):
were for kids.

Cameron (24:51):
And that's the and then Liam just erases the game from
his mind, and like, keeps ongoing that, Hey, I'm aging both
ducks.

Abaan (24:58):
Yeah, of course.
If you look through Liam'sstored memory, he's beat Bolt
like a thousand times in a row.
However, in the trash, in thecleared cache, there's

Liam (25:07):
Oh my god.

Abaan (25:08):
of Bolt losses.

h (25:10):
I mean, because when he plays Bolt, he's like, of his game
time against Bolt, he's winninglike 95 percent of the time,
right?
Because the games he loses, heloses in one turn and just
concedes, or he just doesn'teven have another basic.
So it just feels so good.
I guess that's true with likeeveryone, though.
Everyone thinks this Voltec is

Liam (25:25):
Yeah, it's such a gimmick deck, bro.

h (25:27):
Yeah, I mean, it's

Cameron (25:28):
That's just aggressive decks in general.

Abaan (25:55):
though.
Watch the stream.
Like, uh, the European bolts,they don't do it like our
American bolts, but the US of A,we play bolt different.
Like, I don't know, like, youwatch a European bolt, and like,
they'll still win.
They'll still win, but

Cameron (26:08):
these freedom bolts, there's stylin on them.
Good.
Good.

h (26:11):
can't hang.

Abaan (26:12):
I guess the American too.
bro, that's just Bradner in2024, or like 2024 2025 season,
like,

Cameron (26:19):
These freedom

Liam (26:20):
No.

h (26:21):
Christ, bro.

Abaan (26:23):
Ever since Worlds ended, bro, he's, uh, he's just,

Cameron (26:25):
dances, bro.

h (26:38):
in a generation kind of player, right, so

Abaan (26:41):
Yeah, I mean, once in a

Liam (26:42):
For sure.

Abaan (26:43):
Not like Kieran is also, like, on the, like, basically
the exact same run, exceptKieran just doesn't go to Europe
for no reason.
Like, uh, it's not like that.
I love that all.

h (26:54):
Yeah.

Liam (26:56):
We'll talk.

Abaan (26:56):
I think there's something about this Lugia deck, like,
it's actually the best, it'slike, I've changed my whole
tune.
It's like an insane bumfarmerydeck.
I thought Garde was the bestbumfarmery deck in existence,
and Pidgeot was a clear two, butI think Lugia is like, in that
tier.
Like, it, like, if you'replaying against someone worse
than you, you don't need thatsecond Archeops, you know?
Like, you have that mid hand,and you're like, ah, whatever,

(27:17):
I'll get it done with one.
But then sometimes, you'll,you'll high roll and get two,
and they have no hope, like,none whatsoever.
Like, I don't know, I feel likethat,

h (27:26):
I don't get is,

Abaan (27:26):
you can get it done so often with one.

h (27:29):
What mistakes are like, bad players making against

Cameron (27:32):
for joining us today.

Liam (27:52):
somebody play Lugia, and they got, they had one of these
single Archeops games, and theother player had access to boss
KO, which would basically justwin on the spot, on like turn 2.
But they didn't do it, and thenthe Lugia player won.
So I feel like that's like agood example of like, what I
guess everyone's talking about.
Yeah,

Abaan (28:09):
other thing is, like, this legacy energy, I think,
like, actually does, like, crazywork in, like, lower, or, it's
not that, it's like, I thinkthat in lower, like, tier
gameplay, like, They playagainst Lugias who bench too
much stuff and like are alwaysfeeding you prizes and then you
play against like a really goodLugia and this like legacy
energy is everywhere like firstit's on the bear and the bear
blows something up or like it'son the cinchino and then you go
around the cinchino and maybethe cinchino hits you again or

(28:31):
like then like the weirder likemoves the legacy energy and like
these like

Liam (28:35):
I

Abaan (28:36):
pro like

Liam (28:36):
think they're not ready for the legacy to be on anything
but an Iron Hands, right?
Like,

h (28:43):
Yeah, can see,

Cameron (28:44):
for

Liam (28:51):
I don't understand it, bro.
Yeah, I

Abaan (28:55):
it, but we have to like at some point be like, oh wow,
this is like crazy.
Like,

Cameron (28:58):
us

Abaan (29:05):
Cheren, like, has a finals in the top 8, and to,
like, Rahul, like, like, I'mjust saying, like, Rahul's
getting three straight finishes,like, everyone, like, everyone
who's good at Lugia is, like,getting it done,

h (29:16):
I, we, we don't understand it, but there definitely is
something there, and I mean, Ithink the only way to understand
it is to actually, like, play itto an event.

Abaan (29:23):
but I refuse, I refuse to sacrifice an event to this,
like,

h (29:25):
I'm never playing this

Liam (29:26):
played it, I played it to NAIC, uh,

h (29:29):
Yeah, that

Liam (29:29):
two months ago and I like said never again, bro.
Like,

h (29:31):
bad for NAIC.
I mean, someone like Cheren

Liam (29:34):
genuinely, bro, I felt like every time I sat across
from somebody I was like, oh,he's better do tricks on me,
isn't he?
And then he did! It wasterrible!

Abaan (29:42):
I

Cameron (29:42):
today.
You

Abaan (29:43):
I don't know, I talked to Kobe about it, because Kobe
played at Baltimore, and heactually made, like, a minor
mistake in a Raging Bull, and,like, I don't know, I think
there's enough, like, things totrip up on, like, it's a, it's
like,

h (29:52):
takes skill.
I think Lugia takes skill.
I think it's easy to playagainst, though.
And that's what I don'tunderstand.
Like, you're saying it's like abum farmer deck.
And I feel like, I think Lugia,like, yeah, like, how you load
your energies with like, is notalways super obvious.
But, in terms of how to attackLugia's board, it's generally
extremely obvious when the ratsare vulnerable, the Archeops are

(30:13):
vulnerable, or whether youshould go through two Prisers
that turn.
Like,

Abaan (30:16):
we're playing Guardi though, like, with Guardi, you
get to dodge everything, you getto dodge all you have, like,
things that are immune to hands,you can, like, charm really good
stuff, you have, like, the, thecharm fez that's going crazy the
whole time, like,

Liam (30:28):
no, but, but, it's, it's sort of like, it's like second
mover's advantage was where theycommit the energy to, you know?
Like,

Cameron (30:34):
Good

Liam (30:36):
energy and show you like where their next move is kind
of, um, it's like very easy to

Cameron (30:42):
is Oct.
16, September 17, 2013.

Abaan (30:54):
like, the best at the game, like, uh, like, you don't
get second mover's advantage.
You move second, and you'relike, damn, I wish I was moving
first here.
Okay.

h (31:04):
Of course,

Cameron (31:07):
S.
A.
America

Liam (31:09):
I'm dead.

Cameron (31:11):
Canada

Liam (31:12):
my god, bro.

h (31:16):
anything

Cameron (31:17):
U.
S.
A.
U.
S.
A.
U.
S.
A.
U.
S.
A.
U.
S.
A.
U.

h (31:30):
go through our tournaments or no?

Abaan (31:33):
Uh, maybe brief, I don't

Liam (31:34):
I think you can do it at like a high level, like notable
rounds and stuff, yeah?
Stuff like that?

h (31:38):
dude,

Abaan (31:38):
yeah.
Cause

Cameron (31:40):
S.
A.
all for joining us today, and wehope to see you again soon.

h (32:07):
and then I still, I think he only revealed two VACs that
game, so I still thought he wasgonna say the, uh, play a third
VAC, um, but then he just like,I asked him if he had the VAC,
and he was like, uh, and thenlike 10 seconds later he just
picked his shit up.
yeah, I don't know, like, Idon't know, it's like,
especially, like, he played waytoo face up, like, like, with
the super rod and stuff likethat.

(32:27):
Because he was trying to playaround Iono, but like, another
byproduct of playing around Ionolike that, like, it signals to
me, like, I cannot win the gameby trying to do some Iono shit
here.
I have to find something else.
So,

Cameron (32:38):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you
again soon.

Abaan (32:52):
Like, you have, like, four cards in hand, two cards in
deck, like, I guess he doesn'tknow we have no stadium buff,
but that Pokestop was stickingfor life.
Like, dude, what is gonna happenwith this Iona?
Like, he's actually, like,fighting ghosts.
Like, this Iona card does not,like, It does not just

Liam (33:04):
Yeah, no, of course.
But I mean, we both know it'svery easy to make a small
mistake like that.
Like, I think it's somewhatdifficult to tell that, like, as
soon as you hit this pokestop,you've actually just completely
cooked yourself.
Like, he's in such a good spot,and like, I

Abaan (33:22):
disagree with what you're, I get what you're
getting at, but I disagree that,and I think, like, I think about
instinct, right?
And my instinct in those spots,and I think most good players
instinct, is like, damn, I'mwinning so hard, I'm not gonna,
like, deck myself and then forcemyself to play my last rod.
I'm gonna just hit this thingfor 110 and see what Henry does,
because, like, I'm pretty surewhatever Henry does after what
he, like, after his turn, I'msure I can figure out a way to

(33:43):
win.
So I'm gonna let and

Liam (33:45):
I sort of agree, but I don't know.
Like, there's definitely a pull,and like, maybe there's like,
also somewhat exacerbated, like,on stream, right?
Like, on stream, you wanna, youwanna be like, very thorough,
right?
There's like, somewhat of a pullto be like, absolutely surgical
about it, right?
And just be like, completelydeck yourself, and like, put
back exactly what you need, andlike, you know, just perfect,

(34:06):
right?
Like, you basically like, go forperfection, and then like, go a
little too far, accidentally,you know?

h (34:11):
this, I think this is what have to have, like, sort of the,
like, the metacognition, bro,like, that next level where
it's, like, I understand thatthis board

Liam (34:19):
Metacognition!

h (34:21):
Like, I can't perfectly dissect this board state, but I
know there's, like, traps, like,general principles I should stay
away from, and one of them is,like, committing my last rod.

Cameron (34:29):
all for joining us today,

h (34:38):
plus

Liam (34:38):
committing the last rod is like a very safe play, right?
Like, you're like insulated forlike basically everything except
like the complete stars aligninginto Iona, like maybe.
And you might even be insulatedfrom that, too.
Like, there might just benothing, right?
It might be like a completechokehold, right?

h (34:51):
yeah, it's

Liam (34:52):
Um.

Abaan (34:52):
exactly.

h (34:53):
So even do tricks on him.
I had to just go through hisactive, so it's like, yeah, he
could just, like, comfy,

Liam (34:57):
tricks!

Abaan (35:00):
will say, like, if you do try, like, the list that we
played for this event, like, Ifyou prize a Dark, you better
not, like, whiff, like, your,like, turn 2, like, Drifloon K.
O.
and stuff, because, like, itsucks falling behind.
I mean, there's still stuff youcan do, but it sucks falling
behind and then being like,well, I have to play face up for
the rest of the game.
Like, uh, like, I don't want toget too much into it, but, like,
my series against Gabe, like,game one, bro, prize Dark, and

(35:20):
then I fell, like, a littlebehind, and I was like, wow.
I have to walk into this Briarplay.
Like, there is no dodging it inany capacity.
I am, I'm just gonna hit him,and if he double Dusknoir Briars
me, like, wow.
He's, he's the GOAT.
And

Cameron (35:34):
all for joining us today, and we look forward to
seeing you all again soon.

Liam (35:52):
my side character, nooo! Don't you, like, erase the

Abaan (35:56):
know, if you're coming straight from the, like, that
matchup is not bad at all, thatwas, um,

h (36:00):
Yeah, I

Abaan (36:00):
even, like, yeah,

Cameron (36:02):
all for joining us today and I look forward to
seeing you all again

Liam (36:22):
from play, like, instantly, every game, bro?
I don't know, I feel like that'shappening in our games.
Like, ideally, ideally, right?

Abaan (36:28):
obviously that's why we thought the matchup was free,
because when we did that, theyjust, they like literally are
head and hands, bro, it's over.

Liam (36:35):
Yeah.
Your Pidget deck with no Pidget.

Abaan (36:37):
too.
Yeah, exactly, that's what wewere doing against Zard, too,
like, I, I, like, 6 0'd Zard atthis tournament, and like, I
never missed that.
Like, the second the Pidgeot wasout, the CC, like, levitated
into

Liam (36:48):
No! I'm rotating!

Cameron (36:52):
much for coming and it is

Liam (37:02):
Tamara,

h (37:02):
not that

Liam (37:03):
got you!

Cameron (37:03):
great pleasure to present

Abaan (37:10):
I, I thought, I

Cameron (37:11):
President's

Abaan (37:13):
fine, but like, uh, I think it's fine.
Like, if you, wasn't gonna bringup the fact that Rowan ducked,
like, publicly.

h (37:20):
I mean, like,

Liam (37:20):
Ha ha ha!

h (37:22):
right?
Like, he wasn't like, I don'twant to smoke, bro.
He's like, nah, like, I don'treally think the matchup is,
like, all that.
It's like,

Abaan (37:28):
Oh, dude, I totally forgot! I ran into, so, friend
of the podcast, Michael Bayo, hebeat me at Baltimore, and the

Liam (37:35):
Ooh! Ha ha ha!

Abaan (37:52):
and I was thinking, like, wow, that, like, actually worked
on me, because, like, When Iheard that, dude, I was like,
dang, I cannot lose this series,right?
And then anyways, we're talkingabout the Zard vs.
Garde matchup, and my flight gotdelayed by like, 30 minutes.
So I had like, some time.
And so we sit down at theseairport tables, where like, you
can't sit face to face.
So we're sitting like, side byside, and like, uh, we ran a
game, and he was telling me howthis like, Cleffa, like, does

(38:13):
crazy work, like, I was like,telling him like, Tomb,

Cameron (38:15):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you
all again in the future.

Abaan (38:33):
You know,

h (38:33):
Clefka's literally a they bench Clefka, they can never use
Dusknoir the entire game, right?
So,

Cameron (38:38):
for joining us.
Have a great day.

Abaan (38:53):
uh, it was like what you'd expect, like I blew up the
Pidgeot, and then like he usedsome Dusknoir stuff, and then I
had boss for game, you know.

h (38:59):
yeah.
I mean,

Abaan (39:00):
It's just what you'd expect, standard.

h (39:01):
you can do tricks on them as well, right?
That's

Abaan (39:04):
He actually did have a wincon, like, if he hit, like, a
turn where he had, like, if hehit Vax, Cece, Briar, like,
under tomb,

h (39:11):
a win

Abaan (39:12):
on this, like, one random turn,

Liam (39:13):
With no pig.

h (39:14):
con, bro.

Abaan (39:15):
With no

Cameron (39:15):
for joining us today,

Liam (39:22):
would tell you no.
Comebacks you always lose therebecause of,

h (39:25):
Oh yeah, we should have

Cameron (39:26):
to see you all again soon.
all for

Liam (39:39):
I,

h (39:39):
they're

Cameron (39:40):
us today, and I

Liam (39:46):
with,

Cameron (39:47):
forward

Liam (39:49):
and like you're actually trying to do tricks on them.
It's like very easy to dodge thefez.
I, I think like

Cameron (39:53):
at

Liam (39:54):
so much worse for the meta.

Cameron (39:56):
next

Liam (39:57):
cards.
I, I completely buy all thispropaganda that I saw on Twitter
about how like, self K cards arelike the most broken mechanic
ever.
I like it.
It's just ridiculous, dude.
Like, you should, you should notbe able to like force your
opponent to like, accelerate thegame.
Like that is like so, so, somuch worse.
And so, so, so much more forcingthan like the, the fend

Cameron (40:17):
and I look forward to

Liam (40:27):
literally

Abaan (40:27):
I see it, because I might be wrong.
like, let's say, like,

Cameron (40:31):
all again soon.

Abaan (40:37):
It's

Liam (40:37):
Yeah.
Yeah.

Abaan (40:38):
you're also KO ing, so we're accelerating.
like I'm putting myself

Liam (40:42):
I, I think that's actually like exactly.
Yeah, I think that's exactlyWhy, like, this Duskner card is
so broken.
All of the cards, the self KOcards in the past, that only did
stuff for your board, were,like, insane, bonkers cards,
that, like, they were way toostrong, you know, they, like,

Cameron (40:57):
of the

Liam (41:01):
where they, like, they pop the Milotic, and, like, push
your opponent to three prizes,and rip the Ace Trainer, and,
like, set your opponent to zerocards on turn one, they're
ripping Ace Trainer on, like,turn one or something, bro,
like, and this is a card thatdoes nothing to your opponent's
board.
Now Duskner, you Like, whenpeople are highrolling you,
they're basically doing theexact same thing, and taking
your entire bench with it! Like,

Abaan (41:20):
Yes,

Liam (41:21):
this Duskner card is those cards, but on steroids, and
those cards are ban able!

Abaan (41:25):
I'm just saying that I don't think self KO in itself is
like the worst thing ever.
It's that Pokemon is like, it'sso designed to not be, like,
you, they have to have cardslike Ace Trainer and stuff,
because it's so unfun when aBolt is running you over and you
just have to like, sit there andlike, take it, right?
So then they have to Ace Trainertype things, or like Roxanne, et
cetera, et cetera, like these

Liam (41:45):
Mm hmm.

Abaan (41:48):
then, like, the counterplay is like, oh, a good
player that doesn't takeknockouts, and then all of a
sudden, you, like, are flippingthe whole script, and you're
just like, actually, it doesn'tmatter how good you are, because
I'm giving you the knockout,take, take your god,

Liam (41:58):
Exactly, exactly.

Abaan (42:00):
Take bro.

h (42:01):
I think you should be allowed to decline card with

Liam (42:04):
I, I think this best card is like, so much worse, right?
Like, it, it completely likenegates like tempo, control of
tempo over the game from like

Cameron (42:13):
joining

Liam (42:14):
um,

Abaan (42:15):
don't, like, this

Cameron (42:15):
today and I look forward to seeing you all at the
next event.

Liam (42:35):
I feel like I'm consistently able to like, do
some tricks on it with,

h (42:39):
bro.
You're playing Pidgeot.

Liam (42:44):
or drag

h (42:45):
No, I like,

Liam (42:47):
hit.

h (42:48):
Yeah, yeah, I agree.
But the problem is that Fez

Liam (42:51):
I don't know, like,

h (42:52):
matchups,

Liam (42:52):
I'm like, yeah,

h (42:54):
But, like, I get why people are frustrated by that, right?
Like, if they want to

Liam (42:57):
but yeah, yeah, sure, they make the face matchups, like, a
complete lock, as opposed tolike, desperate need for my
opponent to whiff, know, like,it's um, there's like, actually,
like, no point in, yeah,obviously, like, if your
opponent takes first two prizesin the bold mirror, you just
pack it up,

h (43:13):
And, like, true pre Fez, But, I mean, at least, you know, you
have, you have the suspense,

Liam (43:19):
little bit, but yeah, you had a prayer.

Abaan (43:21):
It's, it's the thing, like, the illusion, like, you
need that illusion, like, maybethis Iono will stick, and then
they, like, Pokigear for, like,the

Cameron (43:27):
I don't know,

Abaan (43:28):
you,

Cameron (43:29):
don't know, you can, you can Pokemon Catcher, uh,
Slitherwing there, Fez.

Abaan (43:34):
Ooh.

Liam (43:35):
Yeah, exactly bro.
No, Shenron's actually pullingit out right now.
Like,

Cameron (43:41):
I

Liam (43:41):
every single matchup, there's like something you can
do, bro.
Especially with Raging Bull,because they like have to
destroy their entire board.
Like, this like,

Cameron (43:47):
a, slight

Liam (43:48):
you know, this choice between their attackers.
Oh,

Cameron (43:52):
wing card is broken because, so it actually got
Derek, his win into day two.
So the guy put a legacy ontothe, the bear and the slither
wing does one, one 20 plus theburn.
And so the, and the judge, thejudge and his opponent and him
didn't even realize it.
And then he's like, wait.
burn, like, the legacy, right?

(44:13):
Like, that, that only activatesif the, and then they all
realized that he won the game.
And that was his winnin in.
Like, this card,

Abaan (44:19):
could have also just put a mist on the bear,

Cameron (44:21):
it could've, yes, yes,

Liam (44:24):
But he got him.

Cameron (44:25):
got him, no one realized.
But, like, it's just, like, theoptimization, and I think that
card's really good to knock outFez.
Um, and, and if you,

Abaan (44:34):
game where that did not get applied correctly, by the
way.
Like, that's

Cameron (44:37):
uh, damn, I haven't had to pay 500?

Abaan (44:41):
Sorry.

Cameron (44:42):
Uh, no, I just think you can make slight
optimizations with that deck.
I think that Flutterwing card isreally, really good.
Um, just being able to one shotFez and enforce a one prizer is
good.

Abaan (44:52):
that you posed, where you gust as Fez, and then I'm
playing Raging Bull, I turn myPokéstop card, and I get a
Stretcher, and then I'm, I'm inthere.
Stretcher, Fez!

Liam (45:00):
He did though.

Abaan (45:00):
Nice.

Cameron (45:01):
And?

Abaan (45:03):
The Stretcher card is broken, bro.
Oh, you killed my Fez?

Cameron (45:06):
No, but it's the fact that it's a one prizer.
It's the fact that you also haveto hit Gust on top of that,

Liam (45:11):
Yeah,

Abaan (45:12):
Uh, then I'll use my other Stretcher for Bondo, bro,
no worries.

Cameron (45:15):
just acting,

Liam (45:16):
you're getting

Cameron (45:16):
just acting, I mean, it's just acting.

Liam (45:17):
One Prizer Guskaio Fez is like very real resistance into
this like, you know, theuncrackable

Abaan (45:23):
It's

Liam (45:23):
two prize lead, right?

Abaan (45:24):
going back to the 90 percent hope that we had pre
FEZ.
Let's

Liam (45:28):
Yes! Ha ha ha!

Abaan (45:32):
Like, you probably still got it, but at least you got to
show it to me.

Liam (45:35):
Big pic!

Abaan (45:35):
just scooping.
No

Cameron (45:37):
think that's why the, I think that's why the Zapdos is
really good in Tyler's Matthewslist.
And I think the only differencebetween, uh, Tyler Matthews run
and Michael Davidson is thatTyler Matthews did a Regidrago,
Tyler Regidrago.

h (45:51):
and, and, like, these guys were just gambling, bro.
Like, I respect it, you know?
wrong with that, but they justtook the loss

Cameron (45:58):
Uh, but that's,

Abaan (45:59):
Drago's

Liam (45:59):
nothing wrong with that!

Cameron (46:00):
uh,

Liam (46:01):
wrong with that!

Cameron (46:02):
but the Zapdos is good because it one shots all the two
prizes, like, all the two prizesthat are weak to lighting

Liam (46:07):
Yeah, two prize setters.

Cameron (46:08):
hits Rodom.
So I think, like, if you canweave that in, that's, that's,
because meta's so fast, like,that's, they can't get around
it, it's really impactful rightnow.

Abaan (46:18):
into Pidgeot, Like, ooh.
very lit.

Liam (46:22):
yeah.

h (46:24):
Yeah, I think the only bullshit deck in the meta is the
Palkia Duster deck.
I think that deck is prettybullshit.
But everything else is like,fine.
Even the Tropicus deck is

Liam (46:30):
Jesus Christ, that's the most like, that's the most,
that's the most Guardi filledtake ever, bro.
That's the most Guardi filledtake ever.
I like

Abaan (46:39):
No, I I heard from um, from Michael Bayou, that he told
me that like, apparently IanRobb was saying like, he's gonna
play this Palkia deck foranother like, he's literally
only playing this Palkia deckfor the rest of this format, and
he's going to LAIC and he's notgonna drop a single game.
heard it first, you know.

Liam (46:55):
Yeah, like, I agree, I think the deck is like, the deck
has real issues in like, hittinglarge numbers, but like, it is
like, the, like, you know,little basic turbo farm deck,
like, absolutely disgusting toplay against if you bench like,
more than one thing with uh, youknow, under 90 HP, right?

h (47:13):
yeah.

Abaan (47:14):
But it's so ridiculous even play Manaphy as a tech for

Cameron (47:17):
very

Liam (47:19):
yeah, exactly, they're gonna take your entire board,
like, there's actually nothingyou can do about it if you bench
little basics.
Right, yeah.
Your family, too! Your family,too!

Abaan (47:33):
far, but they're, uh, they're, like, an

Cameron (47:35):
next time.

Abaan (47:38):
like, there's no hope.

Liam (47:41):
Nobody is safe.

h (47:42):
But

Liam (47:43):
Oh my god.

h (47:44):
say Garde's 50 50 into it, bro.
Like, you jam that Klefki turnone,

Abaan (47:46):
It's definitely

Liam (47:47):
Jesus Christ.

h (47:48):
bro.

Abaan (47:48):
horrific matchup.
That's a horrific matchup.

h (47:51):
done, bro.
I don't give a fuck.

Liam (47:54):
Bro, yeah, um, I think that, yeah.
time Henry and I played thematchup, bro, bruh.
He said, he said, please, canyou play something else, bruh?

h (48:03):
I still I still got it done.
A Louisville, bro.
Relax.

Abaan (48:06):
No, but, Liam, tell him what deck he wanted you to
switch into.
Like, this will be so telling ofhow good he thinks this matchup
is.
Which it is

Liam (48:11):
He switched me to Terapagos, bro.
me to Terapagos.

Abaan (48:14):
That's our comfort

Liam (48:15):
Oh,

h (48:19):
I just don't get it, bro.
Like no one wants

Abaan (48:22):
Dude, all you have to do Dude, Henry, I exposed myself on
the pod about what I did atBaltimore, so I think we gotta,
we gotta bring up, uh, We gottabring up round, uh, round nine,
unfortunately.
It's a

Liam (48:31):
yeah.

h (48:33):
no.
Alright,

Abaan (48:34):
can we can skip it, like, I'm just posing it, like, but

h (48:37):
So like, before I talk about how I egregiously threw the
tournament, um, I'm gonna goahead and uh, just about how I
hit three Lost Box.

Liam (48:45):
Self claimed.

h (48:46):
my most, um,

Liam (48:47):
Oh, no.
Oh,

h (48:51):
good.
Anyway, I'm still in a greatposition, 7 1 going into Day 2.
Hit Piper on the banette.
Um, you know, I think thematchup is like Probably, like,
slightly unfavored, but, uh, notwith the hand I got Game 1,
because I actually got my God ofWar EX up, uh, on Turn 2 of the
game, so, uh, I still have a lotto win this one, right?
You would think.
Um, you know, she was so

Abaan (49:11):
I did think that.

h (49:12):
she thought it was so

Cameron (49:14):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you

Liam (49:29):
Bro, he got, he got, oh, my God.
Yeah, he can't even remember it.
It's just crazy, bro.

h (49:44):
she's on 3,

Abaan (49:45):
What's going

Cameron (49:46):
ha! Woo hoo! Ha ha

Abaan (49:50):
talking about

Cameron (49:51):
ha!

Abaan (49:52):
What is

Cameron (49:52):
just

Abaan (49:53):
on?

Cameron (49:54):
Ha ha ha!

h (49:58):
I'm on 3, she's on

Abaan (49:59):
All right, all right.

h (50:00):
on it, and all my recovery and my other EXs is in the
discard, so if my guard EX dies,I lose the game.
So I like, pretty much decidethat I have to throw my EX.
And then, I need to take the 2off the Mew on the bench this
turn, because Drifloon is my, Ihave Drifloon and Heavy Ball in
my last 3 prizes, which isegregious, but it's all good.
Um, so I, I, it's the only thingI can one shot for 2 prizes, so

(50:22):
in order to pace on the game, Ihave to take this Mew.
so I decide to go Monkey, move20 to it, and Screamtail it, um,
but my deck has 4 cards, and IRefinement, and I'm trying to
hit this last Bravery Charm so Ican get my, uh, I can get my
Screamtail out of Trick's range.
I wish I could say I was tryingto get it out of range, but uh,
I actually forgot about thatcard, so I was just like,

(50:42):
generally trying to play itsafe.

Abaan (50:44):
I don't know how I forgot, because I think the only
thing I told Henry before thematch, by the way, was about
like, was Alakazam, kill hisScreamtail, so you charm it,
even if you're doing 160.
I was like, that's my only pieceof advice for you.
I've got one thing to tell you.

h (50:54):
You didn't tell me to use the Moonlight Hill! That's what I
needed, bro!

Abaan (50:58):
Oh my goodness.

h (50:59):
Psychics and the Moonlight Hill in my hand, and I have this
random Spiritomb on my benchwith 30 damage on it from like,
a Banette attack on turn 2.
And all I have to do is heal the30 damage off the Spiritomb.
That she can't take

Cameron (51:09):
for joining us

Liam (51:23):
through! No, a disease! So no

h (51:27):
to me that she had like.

Cameron (51:28):
This is a presentation of

h (51:53):
punish of all time, where I price two Kirlia's and Evo, and
I'm going second, so she, uh,turns to attack me with
Dusknoir, er, with, uh, withBanette, and, uh, the turn
before, I decided to, you know,Ultra Ball for a Kirlia, because
I knew that my prices wereegregious, and then she Ionos
me, So, I have two Kirlia's inmy prizes, my Evo in my prizes,
and one Kirlia on the bottom ofthe deck, and I'm under item

(52:13):
lock.
So the only thing I can hit isthis one like 35, yeah, no
shuffling either.
Uh, let's notice, she put anArtisan in play, so maybe I
could have shuffled, but notbefore I drew the cards from
her, I don't know.
Yeah, yeah.
Anyway, the point is I, uh, Idrew double EX, double candy
research.
So, I or else I lose on thespot.

(52:36):
So I just showed her the handand conceded, because, like, I'm
not wasting my time doing thatshit, bro.
Especially

Liam (52:40):
actually crazy work! No!

h (52:44):
stuff.
Ugh.

Abaan (52:47):
fair, this is in alignment with our podcast
principles, when we makemistakes, we are supposed to be
punished.
We

Liam (52:53):
Yes, biblical!

Abaan (52:54):
in Game 3!

h (52:56):
Yeah, yeah,

Abaan (52:56):
We shouldn't have even been in Game 3, rah!

h (52:58):
she must have been like, just

Liam (52:59):
Yeah, no, like real talk bro, I was just telling uh, I
was just telling these guys likeearlier this week bro, anytime I
see somebody complaining aboutbad luck in game three, I'm like
bro, you gotta tell me whathappened in game one and game
two bro, like how'd you lose oneearlier?

h (53:13):
there's no way I can complain about Game 3 after, after what I
did, but

Abaan (53:16):
Exactly, Liam.
I will not complain about Game 3against GameSmart, because he
sacked me in Game 1 and 2.

h (53:22):
second.

Abaan (53:22):
2 0'd.

h (53:28):
And then I mean, I guess I'll just complain about my losses.
Uh, I mean, my stream loss was Imean, the loss of a matchup is,
like, terrible.

Liam (53:35):
Egregious, egregious matchup, egregious matchup.

Abaan (53:38):
0'd, bro.
You actually got 3 0'd.
Game 3.

h (53:40):
and then game two, I think I'm actually in a decent spot if
he doesn't hit this Cholrusdouble vacuum play on me.
But, uh, yeah, all good.

Abaan (53:46):
Game 3.

Liam (53:46):
That was disgusting, bro.
Like, I actually thought, I waslike, damn, bro, this is like,
this is the scenario where Henrywins, right?
Like, this is the game that'sgoing well.
Ooh, ooh!

h (53:55):
an extremely

Liam (53:56):
Disgusting.

Abaan (53:57):
still messed up.

h (53:59):
well Oh, you

Abaan (54:00):
He still, like, Greninja'd, like,

Liam (54:01):
yeah, and then he lets you breathe! He lets you breathe!

Abaan (54:04):
I don't know.
Liam was like Liam, you werelike so I think you were like So
wrong about this.
I didn't, like, talk to youabout it, but, like, bro,
there's no way Henry wins thatgame, ever.
Like, there is actually nolines, bro.
Like, Hunter has, like,everything, bro.
Like, any line you come up with,Hunter just, like, draws it.
Dude, it's like, if thinking hewins that game is, like, acting
like Hunter is, like, bannedfrom Flower Selecting, like,
he's Klefki law without Klefkibeing in play.

(54:25):
Because if he gets a few cards,it's over.

Liam (54:29):
No, I, like, I've told you before, I, like, I don't, I I
cannot tell you like the winningline, bro.
I, I, I can't see it.
I'm just saying my intuition,bro.
I like, I can feel that he letyou breathe and then I checked
at the end of the turn and youwere still dead.
I was like, damn.
What?
Like he just,

Abaan (54:45):
you

Liam (54:46):
then you still ended up dying, bro.
Like something went wrong hereand I mean,

h (54:50):
wrong in the matchup, bro?
I mean, like, I'm not one to,like,

Cameron (54:52):
today, and we hope to see you again in the future.

h (55:14):
work.
Um, but yeah, no, it was, uh,not in the

Abaan (55:18):
Nah, we, we kidding ourselves.
Let's be honest with ourselves.
We're kidding ourselves thinkingthat plan's gonna work.
Like, he's just gonna moontwice.

h (55:24):
plan is not gonna work, yeah.
Without the Moon, that plan canwork.
it did work for me, uh, one ofmy rounds.
Ugh, and then, yeah, the

Liam (55:31):
I mean, match,

h (55:32):
won.

Abaan (55:37):
But don't worry, Henry, when you played Nathan Ginsberg,
what you didn't know was thatyou guys were not playing for
three bands, or like a chance towin ten bands.
You would have been playing fora chance to win two bands.

h (55:45):
Although

Abaan (55:46):
You and Ginsberg were fighting it out in the doghouse
for one.

h (55:48):
I

Abaan (55:49):
fine.
Sure, sure, sure.

h (55:50):
I mean, honestly, he should have let me had more money on
the line, right?
But, you know,

Abaan (55:54):
Yeah, actually, yeah, you should have just been like You
should have promised him 1100,right?
Like,

h (55:59):
whoa, we cannot be saying all that.
All that, we cannot be sayingthat.

Abaan (56:04):
dude, actually, that's Prime Igor Kosta.
Like, I, like, I love, I respectIgor so much, like, because of
his gameplay, but, like, I'veheard, like, crazy stories,
like, pretty much explicitly,like, what I described, like, He
was, like, it's just that, like,literally, like, that deal that
I described, he would, like,unironically do it.

h (56:23):
Hmm.
what happened, okay.
Because I remember, like, he wasthe last Worlds I watched.
I saw him win, and I was like,what happened to this guy?
know.
Good to know.

Abaan (56:33):
No, he, it's not what happened, like, this guy did,
like, everything after that.
He was part of, like, that godDDG team, Pendi, like, him, it
was, like, Gedimer, right?
Azul, like, god

Liam (56:44):
I mean, he was him.
He was him, bro.

h (56:46):
Wait, so

Abaan (56:46):
Yeah, it's not like he fell off in 2014.
This is beyond my realm.
I don't know if Liam knows

Liam (56:53):
I think it was like, kind of both.
Like, abandoned them and nevercame back or something.

Abaan (56:58):
yeah, I don't want to make a disclaimer like I I'm not
like intimately familiar withlike too many details about like
Actually like what happened withIgor.

Liam (57:05):
Yeah, this is just, yeah, bro.
This is just, yeah.
This is not,

h (57:08):
think they

Liam (57:08):
this is not, this is not facts for the record.
Damn.
Wait, we're working miracles?
Damn.

h (57:26):
I actually thought I could get there, but both games, went
first, could not get into theClefki, and then he had the
Khorus, so I was, uh, on theback foot, but then, ah, game
one, I still am in the mostinsane endgame spot, like, it's
three to one, like, I havethree, he's on one, but he, he
went in with the hands.
So, I, I, I managed to do the,I, I do 220 to the hands, I own
it at one, and like, if hemisses this turn, I have game on

(57:47):
board next turn.
Like, even if he switch cards, Ican double Monkey Dory, kill the
hand.
Uh, but if one card is Chorus,and then he gets, uh, Sableye
Psychic, jeez,

Abaan (57:55):
Bro, I played the most ridiculous game against Thorns,
like, I don't want to get intomy other bad beats, I lost a
game and then I lost to aBanette Dusknoir, or like not,
like I lost to a BanetteDusknoir like round two, uh, I
think he kind of sacked me, butlike whatever, I'm not gonna
like get too into it, like Iprized Dark Game 3, which would
have like made me lock it up,but then even still I had like
good outs, but whatever, likethat one's uh, by the by.
The one that really tilted meoff the face of the planet was

(58:17):
this Eye of Thorns deck, likeI've already lost.
Like, the last time we've hadthis format, I lost twice to
Iron Thorns in Day 2, like, wow,that sucks.
So anyways, I'm playing againstthis random guy, like, and we
check his limitless, like, Ialways check limitless of all my
opponents, he has none, andlike, the meme at Worlds and
stuff, or like, after Worlds,like, for Baltimore, it's like,
if you check their limitless,and there's no results, and
you're playing them in, like,Day 2, probably a Thorns guy,

(58:38):
but I, like, I thought thislogic, like, didn't apply, I
thought, like, now, like, itcould be bull, it's like 50 50,
but anyways, I wasn't eventhinking that hard about it, I'm
going second, and I'm just soexcited, bro, I, I have Klefki,
bro, like, I, I pray for timeslike this, going second,
starting Klefki raw, like, wow,I have the Scream Talon hand
too, you know?
Jam the Klefki, like, big smile,and then he, uh, he shows me his
hand, he's playing Thorns.

(59:01):
Well, this one's, like, fine, Iguess, like, I retreat the
Klefki, and I, and he mollies usfour times, so I have to
complete nuts, but then he, uh,he lost on my Klefki, and I just
lose.
Ending game two, we end with,like, a really long back and
forth game, but every singletime a Kirlia comes down, he's
gusted.
He, I look at his discard, ithas, like, three bosses and a
Prime Catcher, but he didn't

Cameron (59:19):
all for joining us today, and I

Liam (59:32):
have to borebyte them, mm

Abaan (59:33):
Yeah, and then he

Cameron (59:34):
forward to seeing you all again soon.

Abaan (59:48):
and he got the backup Thorns, so I guess he still has
1 card in hand.
His his 1 card in hand is CoreSedacity.
And he draws for turn, it's alsoKoloshnasty.
Like, what the hell?
Like Good game, bro.

Liam (59:59):
Oh my god.

h (01:00:02):
This is so upsetting, bro.
Like, I mean, like, no cope,like, I still

Liam (01:00:05):
Henry Abad, do you think with proper play, you'd win that
event?
Or no?

h (01:00:08):
yeah, yeah, well, I mean, it's hard to say, like, what I
would have I won,

Abaan (01:00:12):
Me?
No.
I was,

Liam (01:00:14):
No?

Abaan (01:00:16):
uh, I think I was kind of a victim of the circumstances of
that.
I think I made a minor, okay,I'm only saying I made a minor
mistake on Sabanetta's turnbecause I got to see what
happened, right?
Like, but I think if I, like,played my turn and, like, like,
if I, if I went for it the otherway and I used my Drifloon,
basically, I had to decidebetween attacking with Garde,
which would have 50 damage onit, or, or sorry, 60 on it, or a
Drifloon Charm.

(01:00:37):
And I chose Garde, and then offhis, like I think four cards
total.
He had Ultra Ball for Bear, plusStretcher for Dusclops to knock
me out.
But I think if I attacked himwith my Drifloon Charm and he
like, vacuumed, like hePokestopped into Vacuum, or like
something random and likeknocked me out, I'd feel just as
stupid.
Like, I think that like, at thetime I was like, wow, I walked
into this and lost, and like Ifelt terrible.

(01:00:58):
But I think that's like, verymuch hindsight talking.
I, um, I don't know if I waswrong.
Or, I think they're socomparable that I don't feel
like, ashamed that I made thatchoice, you know, I'm like, ah,

Liam (01:01:07):
That was a trick question, bro.
You've been judged.
Alright, bro.
bro.
Always yes, it's always yes.

Abaan (01:01:16):
Bro, no, no, no, no,

h (01:01:18):
I've played better, I would win.
I don't,

Abaan (01:01:21):
You think, uh, you think, uh, world's Dango, bro?
If I play optimal, I get it,duh?

h (01:01:25):
you were playing like

Abaan (01:01:26):
I don't think

Liam (01:01:26):
think you can opt in, like, you can opt in with a bad
60 to not be able to win theevent.
Like, if you play Fennekinthemed deck, sure bro, you're
not gonna win, even if you playperfect.
But like, um, for a lot of 60s,if you play correctly, you're
winning the event every singletime.

h (01:01:44):
yeah, I the Guardian Deck like if you have average luck,
you should win the event.
a lot of, like, especially ifyour list is, like,

Abaan (01:01:51):
I disagree with this, Liam, because literally all you
do is analyze your losses.
You can ignore your wins,because like, even if you played
bad in your wins, So like,

Liam (01:01:57):
yeah, exactly.
You can analyze your losses.
But,

Abaan (01:02:01):
if you analyze your losses, like sometimes you just
like, have to accept like,especially like now with like,
Deltasword format, bro.
Sometimes you like, Literallyget run off the board without,
like,

Liam (01:02:10):
maybe especially for Louisville, because you couldn't
even go X2, you had to go X11,right?
So like,

h (01:02:15):
think

Abaan (01:02:16):
dude,

Liam (01:02:16):
had a little bit less leeway.

Abaan (01:02:18):
this

Liam (01:02:18):
I don't know, for most events,

Abaan (01:02:20):
they said you can't play item cards, and then he said you
can't, like, all the Carleos aredead, every single one.
Like, you missed Gardevoir, Ikilled three Carleos.
Like, I, I guarantee you therewas, like, no misplay in that
game, like, and, like, I knowthat this is, like, such a bum,
like, I agree with other formatswhere you're, like, oh, man,
look at this thing thathappened, like, no misplays were
made.
But no, literally, against theseDusknord decks, like the two I
lost to on day one, like, I, I,I, like, if you went on PTCG

(01:02:44):
Live, I didn't have enoughglowable cards, bro.
Like, my cards were notplayable.
Like, I just, I, like, didn'thave enough choices.

Liam (01:02:51):
nothing was going, yeah,

Abaan (01:02:52):
Yeah, like,

Liam (01:02:54):
yeah, maybe, I don't know.

Abaan (01:02:55):
I think it's an oversimplification, but I agree
there were certain formatswhere, in like certain times,
where what you're saying is likevery true.
Dude,

h (01:03:02):
the entirety of last year, like, Paradox, Temporal, and
NAIC format, was true.
I'm not sure if it's true now.
It's, like, close to being trueif it's not

Abaan (01:03:09):
I think it was true with

Liam (01:03:10):
I don't know, I think it's, I always say it's true on
principle, you know me.
So, like, I don't know, it'sjust,

Cameron (01:03:20):
for joining us today.

Liam (01:03:37):
I did.

Abaan (01:03:38):
that's pretty funny.

Cameron (01:03:39):
Um,

Liam (01:03:53):
perfect 60, perfect play, you, you should be winning,
like, 99.
9 percent of the time.

h (01:03:59):
don't

Liam (01:04:00):
I think that's the

Abaan (01:04:01):
the

Liam (01:04:01):
potential level in Pokemon.

Abaan (01:04:03):
Like, the people who never play perfectly.
Like, I actually took the timeGrimmur's, like, review of his
own gameplay, and, like, I nevereven watched the finals, like,
my, like, 4 game, I selfbrawled, but when I was watching
it, like, he was not using thecharm on the fez, bro.
And, like, I guess I'm so guardipilled, like, that that shit was
so obvious to me, but I was,like, screaming at my screen
when I was watching it, and thenhe was, like, saying it too, and
I was like, oh, okay, so, like,damn, like, you can, like, get

(01:04:24):
away

Liam (01:04:24):
He's good in the sandbox.
He should be.

Abaan (01:04:28):
no, no, he was saying it, no, no, what I meant is that,
like, he, like, did, he made,like, this egregious, like, not
doing, like, not doing this verysimple play, and, like, he got
it done, like, it doesn'tmatter, like, you can make
hundreds of misplays, nothundreds, but you can make very
important, like, crucial gamechanging misplays and still,
like, just luck sack

Liam (01:04:44):
I'm still winning.

h (01:04:45):
yeah, I mean, like,

Abaan (01:04:45):
Is what it is, like, so imagine if you didn't, you know?

h (01:04:48):
exclude what Liam said, though.
I mean, I guess

Abaan (01:04:51):
No, no, my

Liam (01:04:51):
No, exactly.
That's like further proof,right?
Like,

Abaan (01:04:55):
exactly.
if you

Liam (01:04:58):
If you don't make those, yeah, you're just Yeah, dude,
there's so many mistakes whenwe're in tournament that we
don't catch up on or don't pickup on.

Abaan (01:05:07):
though?
Like, sometimes you do getpunished for, like, the right
play.
It's, like, so weird, like, the,you, like, protect the Fez,
right?
And then they knock out yourbull, and somehow your Fez,
like, I don't know why, like,Fez is, like, magic, 99 like,
it's not, I don't know why.
It's just the distribution ofthree cards.
But sometimes, like, you, like,get your fests, like, wow.
Yeah, exactly.
You're just like, how is thispossible, bro?

(01:05:28):
My fest always hits, but thenevery now and then,

Liam (01:05:31):
Yeah, no, it's when you have, like, search outs, right?
When you're like, I can get oneof, like, any, like, five cards
and I'm good.
And you're just like, I'm good.
You look at the three andthere's none of them?
Like, damn, bro.
That's like, it's crazy.

Abaan (01:05:47):
Oh, my one terrible fest at the tournament was Game 2
against Gabe.
Oh, my goodness.
I can't get that out of my head,bro.
I literally had one godfest alltournament, and it was

Liam (01:05:56):
On repeat!

Abaan (01:05:57):
I just need, like, anything.
Like, anything that I can Arvenfor the other part of this
Guardian combo, and I don't haveto, like,

Liam (01:06:02):
Yeah, exactly, bruh.

Abaan (01:06:04):
Ugh.

h (01:06:06):
the deck is broken.
I mean, I'm not like, I don'tknow, like, I'm on, would you,
well, you might want to playPidget again, but like, you
would, you would play the samedeck, or no?

Abaan (01:06:14):
Oh, I'm like, for this event?
Yeah, of course.
For Sacramento.
I, I already locked, locked itin, bro.
I, I, I'll tell you guys rightnow, I'm playing pitch out no
matter what.

h (01:06:22):
You

Abaan (01:06:22):
Yeah.
I've already submitted my list.
Yeah, exactly.
I, I, they're not like theyhaven't like open deck
registration, so I had to sendan email to gaming Jen
personally, but my list islocked in.
There's uh, there's two BOF lotsin there.
There's a couple counter gamesand uh, it's a pig out deck.

h (01:06:39):
Alright.
Noa, you want to talk aboutyour, your games?

Cameron (01:06:47):
sure, my,

Liam (01:06:50):
Extra salty.

Abaan (01:06:51):
of us here, top 32.

h (01:06:52):
best for last year.
Don't disappoint

Cameron (01:06:54):
Uh, I mean, I already told, talked about my, one of my
ties, um, or one of my losses,which was the Bolt, which was
actually round one when they didthe Prime Catcher all over me,
and then I kind of ran it back,played, Two Pokedads, then I
played Dre on Block Lax, uh, Ilost game one and then ran it

(01:07:20):
back.
I played three Block Lax, theywon, I drew pretty well against
them.
Um, and then the second BreakingBolt that I played, um, that I
played for my winnin and justdidn't draw super well.
And then I played another BlockLax, which I kind of, uh, kind

(01:07:40):
of owned.

Abaan (01:07:41):
though, Shenoy?

Cameron (01:07:42):
Huh.

Abaan (01:07:42):
we were talking about, like, dude, the matchup felt
terrible without the secondcologne.
Like, with the second cologne,you were running them over,
like, super easily, but, like,were you just drawing, like, the
nuts or what?
Because we, at some point,thought this matchup was, like,
very bad for Drago with one

Cameron (01:07:55):
Uh, Noctowl is really good.

Abaan (01:07:58):
Um,

h (01:07:58):
that makes sense.

Cameron (01:07:59):
Uh, Noctowl is, like, really, really good.
And then playing both stadiums,Shamming and Temple is also
really, really good.
Um Okay.

Liam (01:08:15):
so much, right?
Like, you know, you know how alot of our wins were from, like,
bad draw orders?
Like, the Noctowl just fixes allof that.

Cameron (01:08:21):
does that, but it also, like, hits Mimikyu for 60, and
if they just play Charm, like,you two shot them.
So,

Liam (01:08:28):
that's pretty sick, yeah.

Cameron (01:08:30):
good into that, like, line of play as well.
So, it's just, like, you put aMew up, you put that up, you put
a Teomath and a Regidrago, andyou just, like, go crazy on
them.

Abaan (01:08:41):
We don't hit him with the

Liam (01:08:42):
Cheren.

Abaan (01:08:43):
of the Galaxy, bro.

Cameron (01:08:44):
Yeah.

Liam (01:08:45):
Oh! Laughter

Cameron (01:08:56):
and like, maybe you play another Teal Dance or
something like that, or Tumas,but like, that

Liam (01:09:00):
Yeah, yeah.

Cameron (01:09:01):
like, just has answers for

Liam (01:09:03):
That's sick, yeah.
What

Cameron (01:09:11):
Raging Bolt, uh, round one, he asked if we wanted to do
a Gentleman's, and I was like,well, we have like, literally a
minute, I don't think I canagree to this, and we can take a
tie, um, and then, like, tworounds later,

Abaan (01:09:24):
asking to free roll you, essentially, right?
He was just like,

Cameron (01:09:26):
and

Abaan (01:09:26):
you just scoot this up?

Cameron (01:09:28):
and the, well, the funny part, the funny part was,
he ended up bricking, and Iprobably would have taken it,
but, um, it's like, very hard inthat moment to, like, to do.
You know,

h (01:09:38):
And the

Cameron (01:09:38):
agreed to it.
Uh,

h (01:09:40):
for you there, yeah, so, because you were X1.

Cameron (01:09:41):
yeah, and then we ended up, we ended up sitting right
next to each other on winningends for top eight like rounds
later, right?
Because we both won our next tworounds.
I played, uh, Hegi in a mirror.
Um, he scooped it up prettyearly when I just, I think I,
Regi, uh, I just impacted one ofthe, uh, Drago he attached to.

Abaan (01:10:01):
Radiant Gardevoir.

Cameron (01:10:03):
No Radiant Gargoyle.
Um.

Abaan (01:10:08):
Craziest tech ever, bro.
I can't

Cameron (01:10:09):
Yeah, Zahra's so much better.
It's crazy.
Um, crazy, it's crazy like howmuch better you can do when you
play a real Radiant.
Um, Jesus Christ.
Um, and then I played against,um, Duskstorm I went and then I
went Attach Pass on like a Fez,Game 1.
And then, 2, just prized doubleE Switch, had to walk away

(01:10:32):
another one early without usingit.
it just, uh, they kind of hiteverything they needed, so,
yeah, it was a bit of, it was abit unfortunate, um, I could
have played slightly betteragainst them, I think, in, like,
maybe one, one spot, but it was,it was gonna be tough
regardless, um, especiallybecause, like, I didn't draw the

(01:10:57):
E switches until, I didn't evendraw one of the E switches, one
of them, like, I got off aDusknoir, of, after he, like,
already crippled my board likecrazy, and I was like,

Abaan (01:11:06):
know what's funny?
That guy, I heard about himfrom, like, one of his friends.

Cameron (01:11:11):
mm hmm,

Abaan (01:11:12):
he's not, he's not like, a Palkia, a

Cameron (01:11:15):
mm hmm.
Mm hmm.

Abaan (01:11:25):
and he only plays Lockdecks.
He plays, like, some weird,like, lightning, like, shocklock
type deck in GLC, permanently.
And this is, like, his first,like, say shit event in, like,
months.
he's, like, bullet.
He was playing bullet, er,

Cameron (01:11:40):
Damn, I mean, he went 7 1 with the

Liam (01:11:42):
a dog.

Cameron (01:11:43):
so, you know, he had the run and had the winnin and
the lostin on stream.
So, uh, what's his name?

Abaan (01:11:52):
was playing Dusknoir in the bull, right?

Cameron (01:11:55):
Uh, yeah, dude, dude, dude played no Gus, he played no
Catchers, uh, no Boss, andplayed the Briar, played Briar,
and, I think he did play Prime,but he just, like, didn't play
the other Gus, because he was,like, the Dusknoir, and the
Briar Dusknoir, he said, like,got it done enough

Abaan (01:12:17):
He'll

Cameron (01:12:17):
of a time for it not to matter.
he's just, I just, I'm just

h (01:12:22):
there if you have the best I don't know

Cameron (01:12:26):
taking extra prize.

Abaan (01:12:28):
Would that be based or no?
Dusknoir?

h (01:12:31):
absolutely horrible.

Cameron (01:12:36):
Um, yeah, so that's just how my run went, uh,
finished, and the tie ended upbeing good because it locked us
for top 32, right, and that'ssort of what it did, like, win
was like a lock for top 128 orsomething like that, two was 32
and 3 was top 8.

Abaan (01:12:54):
yeah, actually, like, in hindsight, like, that
Gentleman's, like, obviouslywinning is, like,

Cameron (01:12:58):
Yeah.

Abaan (01:12:59):
But like, if you won that round and then lost a different
round, like, you're cooked!Like, it's actually

Cameron (01:13:03):
because I, yeah, yeah, I looked at that before the
round and I had already known,like, how, like, limitless isn't
always going to be right, but Ilooked at it and I was like,
yeah, I think it's really goodto actually take this tie early
so I can take a loss.
Um, and still cash.
And,

Abaan (01:13:22):
cash no matter what.
I'll be there no matter what.
Shinoide cashing.

Liam (01:13:26):
there no matter what.
Ha ha ha ha.
Ha ha ha ha.

Cameron (01:13:37):
I know there's a lot of other, but,

Abaan (01:13:40):
guy, bro, he's gonna get you like 99 times out of 100,
bro, with a bolt.

h (01:13:45):
Did you play

Cameron (01:13:46):
maybe, maybe, yeah.

h (01:13:49):
Okay, okay.

Abaan (01:13:50):
You know what?
He puts, you know, but we'll gethim, don't worry, we'll get him.
Dude, I got Shinoahe at thelocal in like 5 minutes, he
like, I broke his spirit, bro, Istarted

Cameron (01:14:02):
Classy.
FNAF.
I said, ah, I don't even want tobother.

h (01:14:08):
You're

Cameron (01:14:12):
off the supporter to this next turn, I don't even
care.

Abaan (01:14:17):
Shannoy does this thing too where he starts looking at
his top cards like during myturn and like, I don't say
anything because I know that ifhe doesn't see, if he doesn't
like what he sees, like, it'sover.

Cameron (01:14:25):
I just picked it up.
I just looked at the top card,picked it up, and it's just

Liam (01:14:31):
I think that's like the most valid thing ever, bro.
Like,

Cameron (01:14:33):
go

Liam (01:14:34):
just watch your opponent, bro.
You sometimes gotta take a peekso you can start thinking about
what you're doing, bro.

Cameron (01:14:38):
No, bruh.
This guy.

Abaan (01:14:41):
research too, like, preemptively, like, uh, top
card, I'm gonna research forsure.
Looks at the

Liam (01:14:46):
That's crazy, alright, bro.
Oh my god.
Yeah, yeah.

h (01:15:01):
guys did.
the, Cheren was sitting next tome, and I hit this uh, this
Drago round 3.
Game 1, going second, Klefki,Arvin, GG's.
Uh, and then game 2 he probablyhas double

Cameron (01:15:12):
all for joining us today, and we hope to see you
again in the next

Liam (01:15:37):
bro.
No kizzy, bro.

h (01:15:38):
NAIC, and then He's my good luck charm,

Abaan (01:15:41):
Well, you saw Kieran at NAIC?

h (01:15:44):
I played him round 3, bro.

Abaan (01:15:45):
Damn,

Liam (01:15:46):
Yeah, he got him!

h (01:15:47):
I got a game loss in round 2.
crazy.
My only game loss in my career.

Abaan (01:15:52):
Wait, for what?

h (01:15:55):
the end of Game 2, I don't know, I was like, checking my
prizes, because I was going forlike this 7 energy, like, Luck,
Cape, Screamtail, Achilles,Bench, Lugia, V Star.
And like, while I'm like, putdown my hand.
And then, I get them, but thengoing into Game 2, I never
shovel my hand back into mydeck.
And then, Turn 1, I have likethe most lit start ever, I'm
like, going into my deck, I'mmissing something, and then
like, I look over, and I seelike, there's just a giant, or

(01:16:17):
like, like a Five, six pile ofcards that I just like never
shoveled into my deck.
Whoopsies! On to game

Abaan (01:16:23):
Damn, and you gotta

Cameron (01:16:25):
Oh, that's, oh,

Abaan (01:16:26):
ever got you is when to the side when you're getting
him.
Damn, bro.

Cameron (01:16:30):
damn, it sounds like you should have pile shuffled to
make sure there were 60

Liam (01:16:33):
Okay, bro, Henry and I were having this conversation
last night, and we need you to,uh, do you watch Naruto or no?
Like, have you watched it?
Yeah?

Cameron (01:16:43):
yeah.

h (01:16:43):
get here.
Yes!

Liam (01:16:46):
for Aura.
Who has more aura, Sasuke orNaruto?

Cameron (01:16:51):
Oh, bruh.
Ummmm.
Think I'venah, brah.

Liam (01:17:00):
What?!

h (01:17:02):
Yes!

Liam (01:17:03):
bro.
That's actually crazy, bro.

h (01:17:06):
Cam's a little older.
He's got that veteran knowledge.
He's not just like some teenagertrying to get

Liam (01:17:11):
Yeah!

h (01:17:11):
edgy Oh, so much aura.

Abaan (01:17:13):
Dude, Henry, when you said that, like, this is what
the result would be if youasked, like, on Fortnite, hours
after school got out, I waslike,

Cameron (01:17:23):
Hahaha!

Abaan (01:17:23):
you actually got his ass so hard.

h (01:17:28):
Liam is exposed, bro.
Like, this guy's

Abaan (01:17:30):
Criminal.

Liam (01:17:32):
Damn bro.
That's actually craziness.
Oh my God.
I I

Abaan (01:17:37):
from that conversation I wanted to ask on the pod was
like, question of like, if youcould only win, ah dude, fucking
Liam and Henry have already wonone major I guess, but like, if
you could only win

Liam (01:17:47):
would you,

Abaan (01:17:48):
by like, getting the most godluck ever, like you, you

Liam (01:17:52):
it it, it's like egregious.

Abaan (01:17:54):
yeah,

Liam (01:17:54):
no.

Abaan (01:17:54):
Gettemer versus Michael Davidson, but more

Liam (01:17:56):
you egregiously misplay and then you get bailed out.
Not just in finals, but also intop four and also in top eight.
You're like streamed all threetimes and you're basically like,

Abaan (01:18:03):
knock them that you prized, and you're like, oh, I
guess I'm fine now, and then youevolve Bib, like

Liam (01:18:11):
Yeah.

h (01:18:11):
so what's the

Abaan (01:18:12):
shit like that, you know,

h (01:18:13):
Like, would you take

Abaan (01:18:14):
you either do

Liam (01:18:15):
Would you, would you rather, would you rather be that
guy?
No, no,

Abaan (01:18:18):
guy who that's happening to, and everyone's like, Damn,
that guy's way better.
Like,

Liam (01:18:23):
no, it's not even just that it's happening to you, but
you're like, you're playing sowell, your deck is so lit,
everybody knows that at the nextregional, you're going to win,
and the regional after that, andthe major after that, and the
major after that.
Like, you are going to win atevery tournament you play
because you are like, you arelike, actually like, head and
shoulders better than everybodyelse in the room, you just got
insanely plot armored into asecond place finish this time
around.

(01:18:43):
Would you rather be that guy, orthe bum who, who managed to
sneak one, sneak one pass?

Abaan (01:18:48):
Liam.
It's an important stipulationthat you don't get to just win
the next event, right?
Like, you don't get to win thenext event.
You can't, you can't be like,yeah, yeah.
You have to, for some reason,after that, just like, retire.
Like, you don't get to win thenext event.
You have to like, everyone hasto think you would, though.

Liam (01:19:01):
yeah, no, you get into a freak accident.
You get into a freak accidentand your life is cut short,
unfortunately.

Abaan (01:19:06):
Okay, my

Liam (01:19:07):
not actually, like, no no no, not actually, how about,
yeah, you supposedly get into afreak accident because you got
put into a witness protectionprogram so that you can never
like, um, you can never showyour face again in public or
something like you kind of likethat you know like

Abaan (01:19:21):
you can't play Pokemon,

Cameron (01:19:22):
definitely not sponsored by the Dragon's Dune.

Abaan (01:19:23):
shit, bro.
You just can't play events,like.

Liam (01:19:27):
yeah yeah yeah

h (01:19:29):
Yeah.

Liam (01:19:32):
yeah you you can't go to events anymore but

Abaan (01:19:36):
and you're just like a mid ass Yu Gi Oh player now.
Like, you just don't want toplay Pokemon anymore.
Or like, actually, it

Liam (01:19:41):
no you can't be mid you have aura

Abaan (01:19:43):
Ah,

Liam (01:19:43):
hella aura you don't need to be mid bro yeah

Abaan (01:19:45):
Fine, Wait.

h (01:19:46):
becomes too bullshit, like, Jake Gearhart, you know?

Abaan (01:19:49):
no, no, here's the best one.
get

Cameron (01:19:51):
kind of player.

Abaan (01:19:52):
because they take a clip from your podcast, and they're
like, damn, that's targetedharassment.
And you're banned.

Liam (01:19:57):
Oh,

Abaan (01:19:58):
you could not, you get like, permaban too.
But everyone knows you're theGOAT, but like, you're permaban.

h (01:20:03):
Okay, so, like, Gettemer, but you don't get to come back.
Oof.

Abaan (01:20:08):
but you don't get to come back! But you're actually also
like, cracked.
You're not just, like, like,even more cracked than Gedimer.
They're like,

Liam (01:20:15):
You, you're forced that the T CG has never before seen.
Like you, you're an actualdemon, right?

h (01:20:20):
the like, I mean, it's, like, 3k versus, like, legacy points,
right?
Like, if you actually can'tLegacy, points, then, like, I
mean, yeah, just, like, take the3k, right?
Like, I don't know, unless you,

Liam (01:20:34):
Jesus, bro.
No, but like also this argumentis like, it's not fair, bro.
It's not fair, bro.

Cameron (01:20:40):
for joining us today.

h (01:21:03):
okay bro,

Liam (01:21:06):
No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

h (01:21:08):
dude,

Abaan (01:21:09):
this hypothetical,

Liam (01:21:09):
time there's a trivia question.

Abaan (01:21:10):
you and it's you.
Like, Kieran and Anil, they'retalking on their, like, YouTube
channel, and they're just like,oh, Anil,

Liam (01:21:18):
Worst regional champions ever.

Abaan (01:21:20):
And it's like, for sure, Henry Chow, Baltimore, 2024.
It's not even close.

h (01:21:26):
um,

Liam (01:21:28):
will go down as one of the most infamous finals ever.
If you know, you know.

h (01:21:34):
I still

Abaan (01:21:35):
I choose second, Liam.
I thought about it more.
No,

h (01:21:37):
take the 3k.

Abaan (01:21:38):
no, no, no.
The minus aura is, like,actually important to me.
It'd be one thing if I just,like, won the finals and, like,
this guy's kind of mid.
But, like, the way you'redescribing where it's, like,
wow.
He can, like, vomit all overhimself, but then, like, hit a
one outer.
Like, ugh, that.

Liam (01:21:51):
Yeah.

Abaan (01:21:52):
I'd rather just get second and be the GOAT.

Liam (01:21:55):
And you're thinking of this in terms of like, I'm
taking the 3k, but Henry, we'renot even talking about that.
We're talking about who has themost aura.
We're talking about aura here.
The person who got second, orthe person who like, plow
armored their way through.
That was the exact way youphrased it in the DMs, bro.
Who has more aura?
It's the guy who got second,bro.
Like, what?

h (01:22:14):
second, yeah, I'll obviously use second, like, well, like,
sort of by definition, like,yeah,

Liam (01:22:17):
I'm glad we've come to an agreement.
I'm glad we've come to anagreement.

Abaan (01:22:20):
No, but we've, like, posed the question to, like,
over, like, over skew it towardsthe second one.
What if it's first place?
They didn't do anything special.
They played clearly kinda bad.
Like, kinda mid, right?
But the guy who got first was

Liam (01:22:30):
No, no, no, no, but that's exactly what we're talking
about, bro, because Narnto islike an actual, like, he's like
a bumbling idiot in the show.
That's like his whole character,um, but he gets bailed out by
this Ninetales inside of him,bro.
He got the best spawned RNGever, even though his parents
died, like, while that washappening, but like, he, he got
blessed up with a Ninetale foxinside of him, and he basically
just gets bailed out afterdoing, like, You know, the most,

(01:22:52):
you know, dumb thing you've everseen, like, over and over and
over.
That's, like, the Narutocharacter.

h (01:22:55):
but, like, Sasuke also has, I

Abaan (01:22:58):
Dude, oh, I guess I remembered the other comparison,
because I've never

Liam (01:23:00):
No, no, Sasuke has aura! What?

h (01:23:04):
probably, the

Abaan (01:23:04):
like, Henry was saying this is better than,

h (01:23:06):
the Nighttales.
Okay, go ahead, go ahead.

Abaan (01:23:09):
oh, I was gonna say that Henry was saying this is better
than, the anime that I'vewatched was like, Death Note,
and I was just saying like, wewere talking about, we were
glazing L, right, and thenHenry's like, bro, but like, L
like, lost, and like, Narutothough, he like, always auras up
and gets it done, and we'relike, bro, like, This, like, L
losing is way more impressivethan, like, I don't know the
context of Naruto, but I

Liam (01:23:24):
The way L lost was, like,

Abaan (01:23:26):
like the most history of losses, bro.
No

Liam (01:23:29):
Exactly, exactly.

h (01:23:30):
like, I'm really

Liam (01:23:31):
Yes, exactly.

h (01:23:33):
cause

Cameron (01:23:33):
Hello,

Liam (01:23:47):
was me, that was me, that was me, that was me, bro.

h (01:23:49):
like,

Abaan (01:23:49):
it wasn't.
Dude, Liam, nothing you say isfrom you, bro.
Like, literally, you're like aparrot, bro.
Nothing came from you.

Liam (01:23:57):
Yeah, I don't know if y'all can tell this podcast, but
every time Henry or Brian saysomething, I just echo it, and
just say it again, but

Abaan (01:24:04):
Literally, like, I don't know.
I don't know why you're sayingit like that.
Literally, that's actually howit is, bro.

Liam (01:24:10):
What'd I say?
Like, bro, what?
I was giving it a buck.

Abaan (01:24:16):
Okay, okay, anyways, Henry, what were you going to
say?

h (01:24:19):
mean, Naruto always got it done, like, it wasn't, like,
fluked either, like, maybe,like, you can't really say
what's fluked, because it's,like, like, he got it done,
like, 500 times, bro, like,

Abaan (01:24:26):
Dude, I'm

Liam (01:24:27):
I don't know, bro, like

Abaan (01:24:29):
from, like, the fucking Shinigami realm to, like, be L.
Like, that is not a knock on hislegacy, bro.
That's not, that's not a knockon his

Liam (01:24:36):
No, bro, bro, like,

h (01:24:39):
you gotta

Liam (01:24:39):
on the Naruto topic, yeah, like, he's like, going against
gods, and then it turns out,bro, it turns out, Kurama has a
new secret power, and Naruto'sgonna unlock it, and all of a
sudden, he's gonna get it done?
Bro, that's a bailout! That's abailout, bro! That is not, like,
get it done.
Like,

h (01:24:55):
him

Liam (01:24:55):
you know, Itachi?
He'd get it done.

Cameron (01:24:59):
it done, even though it's a tab.

Abaan (01:25:01):
is actually a perfect example.
That's like Henry Brand, like,literally sitting there, and
then Shintaro just getting a DPLout of nowhere for slow play,
and then Henry Brand's like, oh,I guess I win now.
Like, is Henry Brand the most

Cameron (01:25:12):
Got it done.

h (01:25:12):
there an

Cameron (01:25:13):
Got it done.

h (01:25:14):
title for Henry Brand?
I don't think so, right?

Cameron (01:25:17):
Nope.

Abaan (01:25:18):
but there but we think the GOAT, bro.
Shintaro, like, won a differentworlds, and like, got scammed,
stolen, robbed in broaddaylight.

Cameron (01:25:27):
Highway robbery, bro.

h (01:25:29):
Shintaro

Abaan (01:25:29):
Dude, Henry, like, what are you talking about?
Shintaro is already, like, like,a Cliff Henry, like, Shintaro's
career is doing, like, does likea whole three laps around
Henry's, bro.
Like, what?

h (01:25:39):
like, no, no, exactly, but that's not the point.
Like, if that was just the onlytournament they ever played,
like, rather be Henry Brand,yeah?

Abaan (01:25:48):
No,

h (01:25:49):
See, that's, that's an

Abaan (01:25:50):
I just disagree.

Liam (01:25:51):
not even the only tournament that I ever played,
bro, like, what, um, man, I

Abaan (01:25:55):
Yeah, but like, it, like, he's

Cameron (01:25:57):
for

Liam (01:26:20):
dumb decisions and getting bailed out by this nine tailed
fox that got put inside of AntMan, bro, like, like, literally,
that is the entire Naruto story,getting bailed out by Kerma,

h (01:26:28):
like, literally

Liam (01:26:29):
opposed to, like, you know, these Uchiha's, bro, who
are, who are doing deviousactivity, bro, And like, that's
what they're up to, you know?

h (01:26:39):
I need to hear what the viewers think if they even
listened this

Cameron (01:26:42):
You can see, you can see, you can see who Liam thinks
he is, Brett.

h (01:26:47):
Yeah, this is very obvious.

Liam (01:26:51):
Yes!

Abaan (01:26:54):
Leader of the Dargas, he may be Naruto, in this example.

h (01:26:59):
A bumbling idiot.
It's alright, bro.
Ming do you

Liam (01:27:02):
Yes! You're actually not wrong, but I'm definitely like
I'm definitely closer to Mr.
Itachi, but, I'm like,

Cameron (01:27:10):
she's a Toxie, bro.
Oh, my goodness.

h (01:27:14):
is too cringe.
is too cringe.

Liam (01:27:19):
are one and the same, bruh.

Cameron (01:27:20):
older brother he's now a Toxie.

Liam (01:27:23):
yeah.

Cameron (01:27:23):
That's all I can say.
That's the only specificationnecessary.

Abaan (01:27:28):
Yes, I have a younger brother.
Nice.
Noted.

Liam (01:27:32):
like Sasuke now, bruh.

Cameron (01:27:33):
that

Liam (01:27:33):
Oh my god.

h (01:27:36):
I'm Naruto, bro.
I got that

Cameron (01:27:37):
And

Liam (01:27:45):
bailed out, bruh, they're like, He like, definitionally
has a dog inside of him, but hehas no dog inside of him, bro.
Like, Nah, he's not built forthat, bro.

Cameron (01:27:54):
it.

Abaan (01:28:02):
argument, right?

h (01:28:03):
kind of mental gymnastics

Liam (01:28:04):
no, no! No,

Abaan (01:28:07):
Not yet, exactly.
If we're not gonna countdefinitional dogs, we're just
yapping.

h (01:28:11):
As if we

Liam (01:28:11):
ha ha!

Abaan (01:28:16):
That's where we draw the line though.
Like, if someone has a,

Liam (01:28:18):
No, but I mean, isn't that even worse, bro?
He has a physical dog inside ofhim, but he doesn't have a
spiritual dog?
That's like, terrible!

Cameron (01:28:25):
Oh my god, this guy is

Liam (01:28:26):
He has a dog inside of him, but somehow can't convert.
Like, what?

h (01:28:29):
a spiritual dog inside of you?
Like, Naruto definitely does,bro, like, like, no glaze, but,
like, this guy has, like, thedetermination, like, eclipsing
anyone, bro, like, what do

Liam (01:28:38):
He's not a dirty dog, bro.
He's

h (01:28:41):
okay, dog inside of him, he's got a clean

Liam (01:28:43):
Negative aura.
Like

Abaan (01:28:45):
that's terrible.
That's terrible, Henry.
We all, we've actually, like,you've actually cooked yourself
in this argument.
You do not

Liam (01:28:51):
Oh! No,

Abaan (01:28:57):
there's mud over there.
I gotta stay here.
Like, that, that, that path isclosed.
Like, oh, like, like, yeah.

h (01:29:05):
they can't even start walking,

Liam (01:29:06):
to God, bro.
Like, Sasuke is always down toget like down and dirty, bro,
but Naruto is not, bro.
He likes to, he likes to keephis hands clean, bro.
Thank you.

h (01:29:14):
feel

Cameron (01:29:15):
Hey, that's what do if you're gonna be the leader of

Liam (01:29:17):
get involved, bro.

h (01:29:18):
that's

Cameron (01:29:19):
of the village, bruh.
You gotta have, uh, your sideguy

Liam (01:29:23):
exactly.

Cameron (01:29:23):
That's

Liam (01:29:24):
up with his paperwork, bro.
Meanwhile, Sasuke taking care ofbusiness.

Cameron (01:29:27):
do

Liam (01:29:28):
I actually sent them that video where, um, you know,
Sasuke, Sasuke first fights, uh,Kinshiki, right?
And I was like, dude, that'slike some real main character
activity, bro.
Cause like, that was likeliterally me when I was hunting
the Ultra Beasts in Sun andMoon, bro.
Like, he's like hopping intoportals and taking out these,
like, um You know, these, uh,other dimension gods, bro.

(01:29:50):
Like, that's like main characteractivity.
Meanwhile, Naruto's at hometaking care of paperwork, bro.

Abaan (01:29:55):
actually these like moon games as peak bro.
Like back in the day, bro, wewere like writing our like.
like, I don't know, we wereusing Surf on our Pokemon and
like, riding on the water, andlike, going like, like, oh

Liam (01:30:06):
bro, I, I do not think of the Sun and Moon games as peak,
right?
I think the, uh, the Omega,Ruby, Alpha, Sapphire.
So, uh, that's how old I am.
But,

h (01:30:12):
stop.

Abaan (01:30:13):
terrible, that's terrible.
Those are, yeah, that's like,almost the worst answer.
Yeah,

Liam (01:30:18):
I cannot believe you said that, bro.
I, yeah, I mean, I, I, I guessI'm too, too young.
But, yeah, those, those are myfavorite games, bro.
But, yeah,

h (01:30:26):
New generation,

Abaan (01:30:26):
No,

Liam (01:30:27):
yeah, those are my favorite games, bro.
Sue me, bro.
Sue me!

Abaan (01:30:30):
are

Liam (01:30:30):
Oh my god.

Abaan (01:30:31):
of, like, your age, you know, like, it's fine.

Liam (01:30:33):
Alright, bro.

h (01:30:34):
Yeah, I'll see you on

Abaan (01:30:35):
Like, I felt like I was halting the Ultra Beast, I just
cringed, bro, like, oh my god,felt like I was halting,

Liam (01:30:38):
Oh my,

Abaan (01:30:39):
oh my goodness, bro,

Liam (01:30:41):
Jesus, Hero, my bad.
Oh my god.
Oh my god.
Oh

Abaan (01:30:48):
sense of accomplishment, bro,

h (01:30:51):
Yeah, Kim's sitting here like, ah

Abaan (01:30:53):
like, you know that meme, where the guy's sitting there
with a party hat, and he's like,no one knows I just did this
thing, or whatever, that's mewhen I beat, like, Cynthia the
second time, like, I wasstanding, going to school the
next day, like, no one knows,except everyone knew, because I
told everyone, I told everysingle person in the school,
personally,

h (01:31:05):
aura, move.

Liam (01:31:10):
my god.
Alright, we've been going for anhour and a half, and like, uh,
yapping crazy, bro.
Probably wrap it up.

Abaan (01:31:15):
Yeah.

h (01:31:16):
play for LAIC, guys?

Liam (01:31:17):
any, any last thoughts?

Abaan (01:31:19):
got over it again, but it doesn't even

Liam (01:31:21):
The bra, yeah, I, yeah, you have to play the Gardevoir,
bro.

Cameron (01:31:24):
the play is to know, and then test for Sacramento,
because we're all going toSacramento, right?

Abaan (01:31:29):
He's not going to sack him, is he?

h (01:31:30):
Yeah, no sack

Liam (01:31:31):
damn, bro, we are, we're playing what we know to LAIC,
we're playing what we know tothe IC and testing for the other
event, the regional, bro, that'scrazy work.
No holding.

Cameron (01:31:40):
play, I'm gonna play the, I'm, are you talking, what
are you talking about?
I'm playing the deck that I havelike, 200, 300 games with?
Yeah, over switching to somewhatever bullshit, when I don't
think, like, Regidrago's

Liam (01:31:51):
No, yeah, I mean, like, if you think you've done your best
for LAIC, like, all power toyou, but, I'm just saying, like,
you should not be, uh,sacrificing your LAIC
performance for Sacramento, thatshould not be a thing, but if
you're doing your best for LAIC,

Abaan (01:32:08):
right?
Like,

Liam (01:32:10):
Yeah, sure, sure.
Yeah,

Abaan (01:32:12):
he's gonna run it back, see how it goes.

h (01:32:14):
some Lost Boxes for me, let's go, let's go.

Cameron (01:32:16):
I mean, I'm gonna play locals, I'm gonna get my reps
in, I'm gonna keep playing, butI'm like, I'm, you know, I'm
also gonna be testing the nextformat.

Abaan (01:32:24):
the mind is

Cameron (01:32:25):
Yeah.

h (01:32:26):
I'm not touching the new cards till LAIC.
I know that for sure.
I don't know how much I'm goingto play, but no way I'm looking
at these new cards.

Liam (01:32:31):
Henry's my dog, bro.
Yes, yes, yes.

Abaan (01:32:34):
bro, Liam, you gotta be my dog, bro, we gotta be
playing, uh, we gotta be playingon Limboless Sam like we were
before Worlds, yeah.
We gotta uh,

Liam (01:32:40):
Jesus Christ.
And then I put the biggeststinker of my career at Worlds,
bro.
No cap, but

Abaan (01:32:44):
Well, that was

Liam (01:32:45):
yeah.
I know, that was like egregious,bro.
That was egregious.
I was crashing out.
Um,

Abaan (01:32:51):
Dango with me, bro.

h (01:32:53):
you think Dango

Liam (01:32:54):
no, no, no, bro.
No, see, the difference,literally, I, yeah, I mean,
you're joking, you're joking.

Abaan (01:33:00):
Yeah, yeah, actually, what?

h (01:33:03):
Yeah?

Liam (01:33:04):
And I, I was gonna crash there, but like, alright.
Um,

Abaan (01:33:07):
I don't know, Henry, actually, like, I have to, like,
think, I have to think about itand give you a better answer,
but if you did, just, uh, lookup Yael's list.
He's, it's pretty good.

h (01:33:16):
Gotta get that, work that

Liam (01:33:17):
oh my god.
Gotta wake that bib in, bro!

Abaan (01:33:21):
like, a, he won, like, a seven person League Cup.
Did you see his Twitter?

h (01:33:25):
Chill, bro.
I did not see that.
I hope bib was front and center.
never know when you're going tomiss.
You never know.

Abaan (01:33:32):
I mean, it's hard, bro, like, uh, I don't know where,
actually, I should probably knowwhere he lives before I, like,
go too crazy, but, yeah.
It's hard winning League Cupsout there, wherever it is.

h (01:33:40):
1 bib and I'll put in two Klefki's.
Like, honestly, like, I'd bedown.
Like, it's probably not eventhat bad,

Abaan (01:33:44):
No, bro.

h (01:33:45):
Nah.

Abaan (01:33:45):
Probably.

Liam (01:33:46):
bruh, no!

h (01:33:47):
I was, this is what I was

Abaan (01:33:48):
I don't know! Dude,

h (01:33:54):
I don't know what you're cutting exactly, but

Abaan (01:33:56):
Ian is so base, bro.
He put the Klefki in the Palkiadeck, bro.
I'm not kidding, like, when Iheard that Ian Raub is, like,
glazing this Palkia deck, he puta Klefki in, which is already,
like, oh, I was like, oh, that'ssuch a lit tech.
And he's like, I'm playing thisdeck no matter what to LAIC, and
I'm only playing this deck untilthen, and I'm gonna win
everything around.
When I heard Ian Raub say that,bro, If I was going to LAIC, I
may just have to play thisPalkia deck, bro.

(01:34:17):
Like, I don't know.

h (01:34:18):
Ian actually or'd all over me at the end of Louisville, bro.
I was like sitting there waitingto get picked up, and he walks
by and he's like, playing thisKlefki card too.
It was my MVP.
but your deck is trash.
And then he just walked away.

Abaan (01:34:32):
What?

Liam (01:34:33):
Damn, bro.

h (01:34:34):
like simplifying it a little bit, but that's like pretty much
what he said, bro.
He's like, yeah, but I'm playinga real deck.

Cameron (01:34:39):
It just freezes down!

h (01:35:06):
crimes at Louisville, bro.
Like, that card literally wonme, like, probably five or six
games by itself.
more, honestly.
Like, it's actually disgustingwhat that card does.

Abaan (01:35:15):
Yeah.
I mean, more if it didn't decideto show up.
Game one against the Thorns whenI'm going second, like, I
couldn't even, like, I can'teven imagine a worse time for
this guy to show up, bro, like,I don't even know what to say,
like,

h (01:35:28):
you about Doran's Throat, come on, I can't believe you.
You couldn't get it

Abaan (01:35:33):
I know, I played actually, like, I was clinical,
bro, I was, like, two games ago,I played clinical, I have no,
no,

h (01:35:38):
I believe it.

Abaan (01:35:39):
that's whatever,

Liam (01:35:40):
Yeah, wait, what happened in game two, bro?

Abaan (01:35:42):
uh, I literally got, like, I was getting, like, one
Curlia per turn, and thengetting boss

Liam (01:35:46):
Oh, I remember, yeah, you were telling me, bro, and he was
hitting Guts like every singleturn.
Oh,

Abaan (01:35:51):
got him to the Iona No.
1, bro.
Like, I don't know what to tellyou.
Like,

Liam (01:35:55):
yeah, and then he went like, yeah.

Abaan (01:35:59):
He

h (01:36:00):
Because like, we were testing this, and like, you, like, my
worst game was like the onewhere you were like steamrolling
me, but then even then, like, Igot you on the Iona to one, but
like this time he just happenedto actually like, get his shit

Abaan (01:36:11):
me, bro.

h (01:36:11):
Yeah.

Abaan (01:36:12):
Yeah.

h (01:36:13):
Ugh.

Liam (01:36:14):
Damn.

h (01:36:15):
At least you can't blame me for losing to Natoworld anymore,
so I'll take that.
No,

Liam (01:36:19):
Oh my god.
Oh

h (01:36:22):
stop,

Abaan (01:36:23):
Like, what?
I'm

h (01:36:28):
talk

Liam (01:36:29):
my god.
That's crazy, bro.
You never get those kind ofpositions in the sandbox, bro.
Like, in the sandbox, you think,oh.

Abaan (01:36:38):
actually feel like I would have checked for that on
accident at some point.
Like, I'm just sitting therewith the Mimmy, like, oh man,
pass,

Cameron (01:36:44):
for

Liam (01:37:03):
No read.
No,

Abaan (01:37:04):
I don't know, no, like, I know it's so hindsight, but I
truly think I would have sniffedit out in the course of a three
game set, but maybe, maybe itwould have been a tie, but I
think you can 70 with Mimikyuenough times fast enough that
once you know that you're,you're good, like, you win.

h (01:37:18):
I like, it crossed my mind, but the problem is, like, I
didn't accept the premise.
Like, I just, I didn't know theThorns list well enough, because
I just thought the matchup wasfree.
So, I just didn't think aboutit, because the

Abaan (01:37:29):
I think the problem, though, Henry, I'm not gonna

Liam (01:37:32):
Yeah, exactly.
Like you didn't wanna, you, youdon't wanna take a risk like
that, especially in like such agood matchup, you know, because
you playing like the

h (01:37:39):
No, no, so, like, okay, so the issue is, I was testing it
on live with Klefki, and thematchup was free, so I never
really, like, paid attention totheir list, and then I cut the
Flutter, like, the, like, acouple days before the
tournament.

Liam (01:37:50):
Oh sure.
And then I got a harder.

Cameron (01:37:52):
to begin our ceremony.
for joining us this evening.
Please find your seats.

Abaan (01:37:55):
the other problem

Cameron (01:37:56):
for joining us today.

Abaan (01:38:11):
them at their word for it, but, like, like, maybe they
can get me with some crazy bait,but I would just be, like, aw,
man, sucks you prized atCologne, like, some shit like
that, and, like, so much

Cameron (01:38:20):
all for joining us

Liam (01:38:26):
dirty T.

Cameron (01:38:27):
and

Liam (01:38:29):
That's crazy.

h (01:38:30):
I said, like, oh, at

Liam (01:38:31):
No, I like,

h (01:38:32):
the cologne and shit like that,

Cameron (01:38:33):
see you

Liam (01:38:36):
that bro, but like, you have to become a, an expert like
liar bro, if you, if you want to

Cameron (01:38:41):
future.

Liam (01:38:42):
that tactic bro, that's like, it's like, it's like
impossible bro, you, you'regonna give like, give away some
sort of tell, you know what Imean?
I mean, maybe not a bond bro,because he's a poker demon, but.
Everybody knew it.
Everybody knew what the 60

Abaan (01:39:01):
or like ask me stuff like that too.
And like sometimes I'm like,damn, you are such a bum, bro.
Like,

Cameron (01:39:06):
for joining us today, and we look forward to seeing
you again soon.

Abaan (01:39:25):
like I've said, like the Dark Rift Prize, like the Dark

Liam (01:39:27):
was.
Yeah.

Abaan (01:39:30):
not like in the middle of the game, but like after the
game, like, ah, the reason I wasplaying like a bot there is
because of my Dark Rift Prize.
Like, I'm not an actual idiot.

Liam (01:39:38):
Yeah, exactly.
You gotta get that off yourchest, bro.
If it's like, if it's weighingon your chest, like,

h (01:39:41):
Yeah,

Cameron (01:39:41):
joining us

Liam (01:39:46):
Oh my god.

Abaan (01:39:47):
Actually,

Cameron (01:39:47):
and we hope to see you again very soon.
very much.

h (01:40:10):
over, right?
So you have to make them feellike, know, you have, like, some
brain cells in there.

Liam (01:40:14):
Gotta make it feel good after the set.
Oh my god.
Yeah,

Abaan (01:40:20):
Yeah.
Here's my grades at school.
And actually, like.
I'm not a fan, and I'm actuallypretty good.
Here's my limit list, here's my,like, results, like, here's a
great set I played, like,against my friend, that I
recorded.
I'm actually pretty

Liam (01:40:31):
yeah, yeah.

Abaan (01:40:32):
No, heh heh heh heh heh heh.

Liam (01:40:35):
Don't worry, bro.

Abaan (01:40:36):
This was

Liam (01:40:37):
I'm bad.
Oh my god, bro.
Alright, uh, solid place to wrapit up.

Abaan (01:40:44):
Yeah.

Liam (01:40:45):
How do we, uh, how do we stop recording on here?

Abaan (01:40:48):
Don't pause our outro.
I

Liam (01:40:50):
Yeah, John Paul's our last show.
Riverside, it's so pretty.
Lookin here, we gotta get me tolife.
When you talk to me, I listen.
Stare straight ahead, trying topretend.
I got something to say, but I'mtellin you no lies.

(01:41:10):
My mind is just a little mellow.
I'm a beast and I awaken you,don't make fun of me, tipsy till
three, Now I'm drunk, naked, andhanging from a tree, Found it on
a chest, a carpet on the leaves,but, Where you wear your hats,
I'm charming, You can make yourname a star farmer, Put the

(01:41:34):
crocs in the ground, I'm gonnaraise them up, Build a roof up
above, I'm gonna raise it up,You jump on my head, don't I?
I've got two arms, wanna pick emup, I've got two legs, I'll
teach em how to jump, I've gottwo arms, wanna pick em up, I've

(01:41:57):
got two legs, I'll teach em howto jump, I've got two arms,
wanna pick em up, I've got twolegs, I'll teach em how to jump,
Yeah, it's what it's got, wejust call it art.