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Brent (00:04):
Welcome to the Trashlanch
podcast.
It's the only podcast about thePokemon trading card game.
Attendance is 100%.
It's a bond.
It's Liam.
It's me, Brent Halliburton.
I have returned.
I know all of you are thinking,what happened to last week's
podcast?
And I'm just gonna, I'm gonnatell you guys the saddest lost
episode.
There are two lost episodes, Ifeel like, in Trashlanch
(00:25):
history.
This is the sad one, we hadHenry Chao on, and talked about
Henry's winning list and hisstrategies, and the mind of a
champion for an hour, and thecontent was so good,
abaan (00:40):
two and a half
Liam (00:40):
It was like two hours.
It was like two and a halfhours.
abaan (00:42):
was like way longer than
that.
Brent (00:44):
the content was so good
the internet broke, And all of
the audio was, like, corruptedby the cloud host that we use to
host the clouds.
And they're like, there's nosalvaging it.
I'm a little bit of a loss ofwhat to do.
So, like, I could theoreticallymake a podcast that doesn't have
a bond in it at all.
It's just Liam and Henrytalking.
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Would it be really weird?
Would there be, like, huge gaps?
abaan (01:08):
Yes.
But,
Brent (01:10):
Yeah, it'd be weird,
right?
Yeah, yeah, that'd be weird.
Nobody wants that.
So, so the moral of the story isthere's a lost episode on the
internet where you could learnhow to win a regional playing
Gardevoir, and and people willnever get to hear that.
Because that that episode wasall about Henry, the, the
weekend after, or the week afterBaltimore, I thought that with
the format being kind of sounformed as of yet, and people
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not yet needing to freak out, wecould spend this episode talking
about you guys tournament runsin Baltimore.
abaan (01:38):
I mean, we can talk about
Liam's run.
I mean, I'll, I'll briefly talkabout mine, I guess, but I
didn't really
Liam (01:43):
Oh, I love a Bonds run.
That's my favorite run to talkabout.
abaan (01:47):
bruh.
Alright, alright.
I
Brent (01:50):
you know, I tried to, I
tried to get Walker to come on
to talk about his run, becausehis run had, like, maybe the
most epic ending.
But we'll have to, we'll have totry to do it justice because he
is not here.
So this is our first chance toreally talk about Baltimore
besides the Henry Chow's run andall the things that we, you guys
will never know about.
I want to start off talkingabout the number of ties because
I felt like there was a bunch ofTwitter fire about that last
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week before we recorded theHenry Chow episode.
And, and I never really got tohear you guys hot take on that.
Worlds had 8 percent tie rate,Baltimore had 11 percent tie
rate, that is down from, youknow, 15 percent at NAIC, 17
percent at Bologna, 16 percentat LA, 19 percent at Santiago,
18 percent at Stockholm, like,ties are way down and I'm sure
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the Pokémon people are like, ah,we solved the format, I assume
you guys have opinions on howmuch gentlemen's agreements were
a key part of Baltimore?
abaan (02:44):
don't know, my issue, my
thing was like Worlds, I was
playing Goldengo, so like, weplayed three games like over and
over and over again.
And then, I didn't tie once.
And then, at this tournament, Iwon, like, every single game
one, except one.
So, like, no one really had theopportunity to, like, try to tie
me.
And I think the thing, the realthing about this whole situation
is that since ties are so notvaluable, people don't, like,
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when they lose game one, they'renot in the mindset of, like, I'm
gonna try to squeak a tie outhere.
They're going, like, tryingsuper hard to win a game two,
and then, like, they often,like, Either make, like,
egregious mistakes, like, tryingto play the like, I was playing
Pidget specifically, so, like,they often, like, go too hard,
trying to win, and then theyjust, like, lose the game in,
like, a really obvious way, and,like, it's really, it's really
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easy, or, like, don't know,that's, like, the only situation
that really came up, and theother, other times that I, like,
came close to tying, I guess,like, I played two Dragos, and I
guess Ian, like, I got destroyedGame 3 in, like, seconds, so
that wasn't an issue, and then Iguess Grant, that was, like, the
only Gentleman's I've actuallydone since coming back to
Pokemon last year the onlyGentleman's I've had to, like,
Do it.
And honestly, it was like, itreally didn't even, like, need
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that many more turns.
He had no outs.
Like, he would skip that gamenaturally, too.
So, I don't know, it's fine.
Pads are not an issue, for me atleast.
Brent (03:57):
How about you Liam?
Opinion on gentlemen'sagreements?
Liam (04:00):
I don't know.
I thought the system was likefine.
I actually kind of enjoyed it.
I think more so than mostpeople, so.
Yeah, I mean,
Brent (04:09):
L Liam was not planning
on IDing Round 9 anyway, so he's
like, it makes no difference.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ha
abaan (04:18):
think the biggest
Liam (04:18):
yeah, I like, I didn't
have any ties, which I thought
was, like, wonderful.
I I don't really know, know howmuch that's, like, attributed
to, like, getting, like, 2 0'dand doing 2 0's, but like, I
guess, I guess my, like, of therounds that I lost, like, we
both knew that we were not goingto tie that round.
We, we didn't even, like, makeany agreement, but, yeah, he,
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like, he was telling me afterthe match, I'm like, Hey,
because I know this guy, it wasVaresco.
He was telling me after thematch, like, yeah, he was just
gonna, gonna show me everythingin his deck and ask me if I was
gonna get there or not, but
abaan (04:49):
crazy.
Brent (04:51):
ha! Voreska's a good guy,
Voreska's a good guy.
abaan (04:54):
That's really funny.
Brent (04:55):
That's hilarious.
D Did you guys feel like therewere a lot of gentlemen's
agreements going on around you?
abaan (05:02):
Yes, yes.
I thought it
Liam (05:04):
yeah,
abaan (05:04):
I like, you sit down,
Gentleman's Talk, because, like,
it kind of, I don't know, I justdon't like it.
I understand that it might be,like, I don't know, it might be
good to get out of the way rightat the start, but I think it's
like a in between Game 2conversation.
Like, when you know aGentleman's isn't in play, like,
I swear, like, people just playso slow, and, like, You need
that little bit of uncertaintyto keep the game going, you
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know?
Like, ooh, what's gonna happenif we go to Game 3?
Is he gonna Gentleman's with meor not?
I'll just play fast.
see.
Like, I don't know.
Liam (05:35):
that makes sense, I, I
don't know, I've never felt,
like, super comfortablegentleman zing, not even, like,
it's, it's probably not, like, arational opinion, right, like,
oh, like, you know, I, I assumeall the diehard You know,
instant gentlemen's people wouldlike, Oh my God, bro.
You know, it's plus EV, bro.
You got to just like instantlygentlemen's every single time
you sit down.
But like, I don't know.
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I've never felt like supercomfortable or like, I like
needed to do it.
Maybe like if I felt like therewas more time pressure, but I
don't know.
I, I felt like it's been likefine.
And then, yeah, like I'll, youknow, before two and three, I
guess.
So
abaan (06:08):
if I don't know their
name, like, I don't recognize
their name at all, I feelinsanely uncomfortable even
thinking about Gentleman's.
I'm like, I'm going with themindset of like, man, I have to
win this game in regulation.
Cause like, I don't know, it'sjust, it's, it, they have no
consequence, like if they'rekind of a no name, like, I mean,
I'm also like relatively a noname, like I feel like, but I
still feel like I would getcalled out on Twitter and like,
suffer some like socialconsequence to not upholding the
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Gentleman's, like, someone whoyou don't recognize, who you,
like, who's no one's ever heardof, that
Liam (06:35):
yeah, I know when they're,
they have like no platform to
lose kind of, right.
Mm hmm.
Yeah, I
abaan (06:43):
it's like, it's not a
good look, like, if I didn't,
like, I would never do this, butlike, if I didn't uphold the
Gentleman's, like, yeah, ofcourse, I'm like, I'm getting
called out, and like, it's justnot a good look, and it's not
really like, I don't know, it'sjust not a good look.
It's like not aligned with myprinciples, you know?
Like, I don't know.
I have, you have way more tolose than the other person who
you don't know.
Which is why I'm so down.
I, like, I, Gentleman's, forexample, like, Round 9, I was
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playing against Grant.
I was like, dude, like, first ofall, we're out of Day 2
condition anyways, but, like,even if we weren't, or, like,
regardless, if he doesn't upholdit, like, that's so, that's so
bad for him if, like, Iactually, like, you know, like,
say, like, oh, he did not upholdthe Gentleman's with me.
This is what happened.
Brent (07:20):
Yeah, yeah.
You know, I I did think it wastelling.
Like, wh when you go back andlook at NAIC, Juniors and
seniors both had lower tie ratesthan masters.
And everybody's like, oh yeah,it makes perfect sense.
Makes perfect sense.
'cause like masters, juniors,seniors just play faster'cause
they're idiots.
Right.
abaan (07:36):
No, no, no, that's not
what's happening.
I don't think.
I think they're 0 ing eachother.
I think they're just egregiously1 0 ing each other, dude.
Like, some of these juniors,like, man, they play
Brent (07:44):
man, they like, they
play, they play super fast.
Liam (07:47):
don't know.
I know it's been a while sinceyou played in juniors, but like,
man, the 1
Brent (07:51):
Juniors don't think about
what they're playing, man,
they're just playing cards, youknow?
Liam (07:54):
like,
abaan (07:55):
swear.
Okay, I remember
Brent (07:56):
Like, you got a Pokemon?
Bench it.
Let's go.
There's the, like, it doesn'teven take a brain cell for them.
abaan (08:02):
dude, I watched Polaris
play like, this is so long ago,
but this was at Pittsburgh lastyear.
This is like, I think I've hadthis opinion since then, but
maybe I just need to update itby watching more games, but
like, I watched this one game ofyou versus Guardi, where I
swear, like, it was just, it'slike, it was, I was like,
pulling teeth, man.
Like, every refinement, thenPolaris, I thought he was like,
oh, I thought Polaris was like,crap, he's gonna play really
fast or something.
He's like, taking forever withhis muses and stuff, and I was
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like, this game is taking anhour, and I could have played
this game in like 10 minutes.
10 15 minutes.
Brent (08:29):
I, so I, I,
abaan (08:30):
Maybe that was a one off.
I, I shouldn't generalize.
I don't actually
Brent (08:33):
I looked at, I looked at
a couple of tournaments, I
looked at LA and I looked atNAIC and juniors and seniors
both had lower tie rates thanmasters and I feel like
historically that's always beentrue.
Like, the average tie rate forjuniors, especially, like, maybe
it's because, like, if you thinkabout it, Yvonne, like, the
bottom 60 percent of the tablesfor juniors, they're playing
Lightspeed, right?
abaan (08:52):
Oh,
Brent (08:53):
Like, they have nothing
to live for, right?
abaan (08:55):
I, that, that much I, I
know for sure.
Like, the bottom, like, pro isprobably more than 60 percent.
Any, like, like five to tenjuniors, or like, five to ten
seniors who are trying to, like,win the tournament, who are,
like, actually trying to win,right?
Like, every other table is,like, probably playing, like,
they're having a result
Brent (09:11):
Yeah, they're playing
Liam (09:12):
that's what I if you ask
them to think, they'd probably
take longer, but like, I thinkthere's not as much thinking
happening.
Brent (09:19):
Yeah,
Liam (09:19):
Jesus, you know?
Brent (09:21):
100%, yeah, like, maybe
it's as much as like, the bottom
80 90 percent of tables, like,they're playing Blitz Pokemon.
And Juniors, because they'relike,
abaan (09:29):
I, I, with that in mind,
their tie rate should naturally
be lower.
That, like, makes perfect sense.
Brent (09:34):
yeah, so, so, the tie
rate, the tie rate's much lower
at Baltimore, the tie rate forJuniors was higher than Masters.
abaan (09:42):
Yeah,
Brent (09:43):
How could that be?
Because Masters were like, wewill not tie.
abaan (09:48):
minus EV to tie.
I think, with Henry, but theonly time, like, you can really
tie in this format now, is like,game one, banger.
Or like, one of the games,complete banger, the other guy
gets washed, so that's like 40,like, the banger game's like 40
minutes, or like 35, and thenthe guy gets washed, like, 10
minute game, and it's like a 5minute game, and it's like, what
are you gonna do?
(10:08):
Like, there's, there's nogentleness to be had, like, you
set up, you like, look at yourdeck, and like, oh, time's
called, like, like, the only,only like, possible recourse is
like, Flipping for it like atthis point like there's
literally like which obviouslyyou can't do so it's like I
guess you just Like there's noagreement that we can make
that's like at all fair toeither of us I guess it's just
time to slip like there'snothing to do
Liam (10:28):
Yeah, I agree.
That's
Brent (10:30):
yeah,
Liam (10:31):
Henry had a bunch of ties
at Baltimore, but he said, yeah,
that's exactly his his gameswent.
He had no Game 3 info to go offof, and so they just tied.
Brent (10:41):
yeah, you're just, you're
just ruined.
All right, so the next questionI had for you guys was like, I
mean, I know you guys know thatI'm the most checked out person
in the universe.
How much was the, just like,sheer amount of Neuvern a
surprise?
Like, I felt like there werepeople who were just playing,
like, all in on Neuvern decks,and I was like, oh, I didn't, I
didn't really think of it asbeing, like, that big a thing.
Liam (11:03):
like hard to consider
something like a surprise, like,
ooh, this was, oh my god, like,like, you're not scared to hit
it.
Like, you have to go the wholetournament, you're like, bro,
there's like 10 people, andthey're all on this deck, and
like, if I hit one of thesepeople, I'm just like, cooked,
oh my god.
That's like, really scary.
That's when you're like, oh mygod, these guys have like, the
secret deck.
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The whole time, I was like, Idesperately need to hit one of
these people.
Like, thank god.
I, like,
abaan (11:29):
did you wait by the way
did you can what do we decide?
It was like the cleanest convertto being an Oiverd.
I don't think it's like thegetting three shot plan Like
obviously we have Erika's plansto
Liam (11:38):
No, bro, we had the, we
had the Geocomo, and I, I think
like,
abaan (11:42):
four Cornerstones, or
like, just keep,
Liam (11:45):
I mean, yeah, you just,
you just try to get like, a few
basics, and then
abaan (11:48):
But then you can always
Audible to the plan where you
just sit there with a Bear Charmand
Liam (11:53):
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Brent (11:56):
So, so what, I mean, was
that the secret deck, quote
unquote, for Baltimore?
Like
Liam (12:00):
Like, I think it wasn't a
secret deck.
It was like, not that good.
abaan (12:05):
But it
Liam (12:05):
don't know.
I like,
abaan (12:06):
They didn't, no
Brent (12:06):
It was secret.
Yeah, like, like, I felt like, Ifelt like, you know, yeah, like,
there, there was a lot of peopleplaying Neuvern, and, like, I
heard zero mention of Neuvernprior to the tournament, and to
your point, like, apparently itwas kind of Mid?
Not super mid, but like, kindamid?
Liam (12:25):
I feel like it was like
targeting, like, I guess like,
the bottom, like half of playersor something, you know?
Because it kind of was justlike, you're like dunking on
these like only basic decks,like two price beat sticks,
right?
And like,
abaan (12:36):
they claimed they like,
matchup, but I just don't
believe
Liam (12:39):
Yeah, I, I don't know,
like, this was also the thing
too, right, because like, mostof the, most of the, like, good
players were playing Drago,right, like, at this event, and
like, you know, so, so I'm liketalking to them in between
rounds, and they're like, bro,I, I'm trying to farm this, this
Noivern thing too, bro, like,like, everybody wanted to hit
it, bro, and I was like, who dothese people want to hit?
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And like,
abaan (13:02):
the other good players
they were on Lugia for some
reason.
And they deck too.
Like,
Liam (13:08):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
abaan (13:09):
the Cornerstone people
were trying to beat, but,
Liam (13:11):
No, dude, I literally, the
only thing, I, like, I know they
were trying to beat Ancient Box,bro, because every time I saw
this deck, somehow they wereplaying against the Ancient Box.
I was like, damn, bro, like
Brent (13:23):
I mean, that's how you
have a good tournament run,
right?
Hit the right matchups.
So you're like, you're like, whoare these people in Day 2?
It's people in Agent Box everyround.
Good luck.
abaan (13:32):
I
Liam (13:32):
I didn't hit a single
Ancient Box.
abaan (13:34):
the problem is that like,
you play a lot of the good decks
in the format, and you'll beatthe matchup spread of that deck.
Like, like you're trying to,like, that deck was super
targeted towards Beast Sticks,which I guess was like, all we
talked about before Baltimorewas like, oh, this is like,
Beast Stick format, people aregonna pick their favorite Beast
Stick or whatever.
Which for, for a weird reason,by the way, was Moon.
I feel like Moon was like, theBeast Stick that people like,
Like, the best.
But anyway, the point is, like,they, like, that was their
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answer to targeting B6, but it'slike, I thought most good decks
in the format just beat B6naturally by just, like, clean
play, and, like, justunderstanding your deck, and,
like,
Liam (14:04):
No, yeah, I mean, like,
the Beat Sticks never have,
like, that good of a matchup,right?
Like, As long as, you know,you're, you can take two prizes
every turn, you're just like alittle bit slower to it.
Like, you, you have solid winpercentage into the Beat Sticks,
always.
Like, it's, it's just It's veryhard to build, like, a
consistent turn one, two prizes,right?
Like,
abaan (14:22):
can you Raging Bull was
15%, by the way?
Like, I, it was so
Liam (14:26):
I I can, bro.
I can.
Only with the context that noneof the Raging Bolt players made
it to, bro.
Like Yes.
That makes so much sense to me.
abaan (14:37):
I, I, I don't know, like,
sure, I can, I can kind of see,
like, 12%.
Dude, how did 15 percent ofpeople play this deck?
Like I can't even, like I can't,I can't understand like I, the,
like, at 10% is my cap of like,oh, I don't understand this deck
being good, but like people willplay it.
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Like after that point I'm like,what is going on here?
Because I just don't, I don'trealize, or, or maybe
Liam (15:02):
There was some, some shift
in the the mindset of, like, the
masses that, like, we're somehownot privy to, right?
abaan (15:09):
yes, exactly.
Like I thought everyone was likehyped about Asian box, bro is an
Asian box, like an auto loss.
Liam (15:15):
Yeah.
abaan (15:16):
How do you up?
Okay.
Liam (15:20):
I mean, honestly, like,
this Raging Bull deck is
unbelievable, like, I thinkabout all your matchups in the
meta, and I'm like, good onesare like, eh, you might lose
them still, and like, the badones are like, Jesus Christ,
like, you are a side character,you're just watching them go to
town on you the whole time, andlike, There's like a pretty,
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pretty balanced number of those,like, a good number of bad
matchups, I think.
Brent (15:46):
Alright, so, so, I think
the next thing I wanted to do
was really, like, talk about youguys deck a little bit.
I sent you the Google Doc whereI tried to, like, break down all
the differences between the listthat you guys ran versus the
list that Kremaskoli ran and thelist that Tord ran.
So but, but like, before wegrind through, like, card by
card by card and give people,like, old fashioned, trashy like
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direction any, any, like, youguys want to talk about your
runs a little bit?
abaan (16:10):
Sure, I think I should go
first because my run is, like,
short.
So, round one, I beat somethingpretty easy to beat.
I don't even remember what itwas.
Oh, I beat a moon.
He went 0 5 after beat playingme, so it wasn't too hard.
And then round two, I lost toAmun.
Game one, I got judged and got,ran over.
Game two, I won.
And then game three, I prized mysecond miss, bottom two just ran
out of energies at the end.
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You, like, need to set up afinal board of, like, Missed in
Pidgeot, Missed in Bear.
And it wasn't even just the factthat the bear, Didn't have a
miss at the end to not beprotected.
That was actually not therelevant factor.
There was a clean moon, so Ineeded a non DTE energy to do
240 for game, or I need to hitlike boss, because we're tied at
2 2.
Anyways, lost that one.
It was tough.
And then round three, playedagainst Bolt, who made a misplay
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in turn one, didn't vessel awaytheir squawk, and then I just
raw arrogant it and just woninstantly.
In game two, they startedGreninja, so.
Pretty free.
And then round four, I playedagainst a Maridon, where I was
like, actually making, like,doing No, no, round four, I
played against a Raging Bull,who was a nice guy, Alex Rubin.
He started Bundle, full benchedhimself, then, with no Mimikyu
out, and I just left the Mimikyuactive.
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And then I just pass.
And he scooped up instantly andgoes, I just needed you to
demonstrate you were not goingto bench our stuff and mimic
you.
Because I don't play a mimic youout.
But I only did that because hehad bundle acted, so he bench
locked himself.
So I was like, you like, helike, if you didn't bench one
more thing, I would have likeplayed the game more.
But I would have eventually likefigured out there's no mimic you
out.
Because like, at some point, youget to a point where you just
like have the two mimis andyou're just like, show me what
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you're gonna do next.
Like, and I think at that point,I would have like won the game.
So anyways, he
Liam (17:39):
Yeah, no, like, you, I
think people like sometimes
approach these matchups wherethey're like, the out is that
like, they never, they just keepbenching stuff, right?
But like, that never happens,bro.
Like, you gotta, you gotta proveit at some point.
abaan (17:52):
except our boy Henry bro
at worlds bro gets nada.
Just kept benching
Liam (17:56):
Oh, oh, oh,
abaan (18:00):
Unlucky, unlucky one.
Liam (18:01):
yeah,
Brent (18:02):
Yeah, you, you, you
gotta, you gotta force them to
kill the Mimikyu to play thegame.
Like, it's just that, there'sno, there's nothing going on if
they don't
Liam (18:07):
gotta prove it.
I
Brent (18:09):
it.
abaan (18:10):
but I also played against
a Moridon, Luke Smith, who I
lost on his Zapdos, and thenjammed a Mimmy, and he kept
playing, and like, there's twotypes of people when they keep
playing.
There's the one where they'rejust playing to like, deck out,
and they're playing for somelike, weird timeout that only
exists in their head, and you'relike, okay, I don't know what's
going on.
And there's the other one whohas like, the different pos it's
a whole different posture, anddamn outs, bro.
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You don't know what it is, butthey have outs.
So I'm sitting there with mymisted Mimmy, and I'm like,
Dude, I need to like, pay alittle bit of attention, because
he's like, not giving up, youknow?
And then he benches secondZapdos, and then we have like, a
banger game where I just run himout of energies.
And then next game, like, Idon't even know, like, it was it
was another banger.
He also had Vacuum, too, and hecould have like, he could have
disguised the Vacuum more, butgame one, he just armed it for
the Vacuum, like, for no reason,and then just like, sat there,
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and I just Eared it away.
And then, I don't know, And thengame two, like, we had a banger,
but it comes down to, like, Ijust bear sw I, like, it wasn't
a bear sweep, but I basicallyhad to evolve into Pidgeot to
play the game, because my hand,I prized Rotom, so I nestballed
for, like, a Pidgey, I hadPidgeot out, and I, like,
somehow maneuvered with bear to,like, get the game.
I don't know.
It was
Liam (19:11):
wonder if they were like
mentally prepared for that.
Like, I feel like if I was If Iwent for this like Arban Vacuum,
and it like, and then it justgot Eerie, and I was like, dude,
I forgot about Eerie.
If I forgot about the Eerie, Iwould like actually just lose
it.
Like, my mental would be likecompletely broken there, bro.
abaan (19:26):
I, got into the bottom of
my deck, and I was just sister
spamming him.
So, like, I kind of understandwhat, I don't know, I don't even
know, like, why he, like, his
Liam (19:35):
I don't know, depends on
what the sister spam is, like,
if the
abaan (19:39):
time, bro.
Liam (19:39):
The Sisters is in the
discard, like, the VAC is like,
safest in the deck, right?
Like,
abaan (19:44):
Yeah, I don't know.
It it was a crazy, crazy,
Liam (19:47):
Dude, you can only I don't
know, yeah, alright, whatever.
abaan (19:50):
Anyways, Round 6, I
played a friend of the podcast,
Michael Bayou, Game 1.
He's playing crazy CharizardDusknoir list.
It's like the Palkia Dusknoirengine with the stretchers and
stops.
And Game 1, I get him easily.
It was really funny, there was amoment where he listens to the
pod, but apparently he was at ameeting at work, and so he heard
the word Devo, so he was like,he was sure there was a Devo in
the deck, and then, like, he wasthinking, like, oh, does he play
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Second Eerie or Devo?
So then at some point he, like,candies to, like, play, or
sorry, he holds the candy afterripping it off a stall to play
around Devo, and I just, like,searched for Second Eerie, but I
could have, like, padded back myFirst Eerie.
Anyways, and then later, he,like, doubled Candies, and I
just Devo, and he scoops it up,like.
Instantly.
So that was that was my gameagainst Michael.
Game one.
And then game two, he get we getinto this mission where I
thought I, like, locked him up,you know?
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I have this Lax active, like,Cornerstone on the bench.
I'm, like, sitting there withthis Mew active, and first of
all, I found out his list onlymade four fire, and there was
two on the Rad Zard.
So I could have just been waterponding, but I was too scared to
water pond, because if I waterpond, and then he evolved into
Zard, and shipped my Pidget withMew, and chucked the energy back
in, I'd feel like such an idiot.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonnago water pond.
But then, like, he pisses me offwith the craziest combo ever,
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like, he double Dusk Lord killsthe Cornerstone, Glopses to put
50 on the Pidgeot, and I didn'tbench extra Laxus, like an
idiot, and then I get bundled,like, dude, I just, like, I knew
there was a bundle of decks ingame one, but I wasn't, like,
thinking clearly, like,
Liam (21:09):
Ooh.
abaan (21:10):
and, like, the bench was,
his bench was full, but that's
obviously idiotic, because,
Liam (21:14):
Yeah, the Duskops, right?
abaan (21:15):
But I just didn't, like,
it just didn't, like, click, you
know?
And it only clicked after thefirst Dusk Lord popped, and I
was like,
Liam (21:21):
Yeah, I know, and, ooh,
you feel the doom is coming,
bro, oh my god.
abaan (21:24):
then we came down to a 50
50 to win, and he he got the,
the, I guess wrong on where theCatcher was.
I could either Sisters, I couldEerie, or I could Iona.
I chose Iona.
If I just Eerie'd, I'd hit thePrime for game, but whatever,
like, that's like, that's acomplete made up scenario that
shouldn't even come to like,shouldn't even happen, right?
Because I had the game, like, solocked.
Brent (21:44):
Yeah, man.
And
abaan (21:47):
fast.
Of
Brent (21:48):
you know what, I
appreciate that logic, because
we all talked about this logicin Baltimore, how like, bad
players are like, Oh, that was a50 50 and like, just bad luck
happened.
And you're like, I could playbetter, you know?
abaan (22:01):
course, like, of course I
that was terrible! allowing that
is, like, criminal.
Like,
Brent (22:05):
Yeah.
Liam (22:06):
funny, bro.
He Obama was telling me, like,just last night, bro, every
single time he gets into a 50 50to wave after he misplays, it
never goes his way, bro.
abaan (22:14):
single
Liam (22:15):
so funny, bro.
abaan (22:16):
never gotten bailed out
in my life.
Every s like,
Liam (22:19):
Biblical punish.
abaan (22:20):
Like, there's certain
times where, like, I must
actually, that's there's onetime where Piper, like, I messed
up, and then Piper double tailedSylene, so I guess I got bailed
out then, but, like, general,like, every time I get
misplayed, I get punished, bro.
It's disgusting.
Like, and it's deserved, though.
I shouldn't misplay.
Like, that's my own fault.
Like, on but I just I swear itdoesn't go the same way for
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other people.
Like, I see them make a hugemisplay, and then I'm my own
Liam (22:45):
Shannoy is a bailout
merchant, bro.
I feel like this guy is justnever punished.
Every single time.
abaan (22:50):
I mean, until round six,
bro.
Until round six.
That's when it all startscrumbling down.
Liam (22:56):
Bro,
abaan (22:58):
But
Liam (22:59):
dude, no, I swear, it's
about the confidence in your
play.
Like, you make a mistake, Youstart, you start doubting
yourself, and then like, you canlike, feel it all crumbling
down, right?
abaan (23:09):
know,
Liam (23:09):
like, these players who
can't tell,
abaan (23:11):
knew what happened, and I
knew what to do next, and I just
lost.
Like, natural.
Liam (23:15):
yeah, that's crazy.
I don't know, I feel like Istart doubting myself, and
that's what causes me to getpunished, and I'm like, like,
these people who are just like,they're blind to it, like, cause
if you don't, if you didn't makea mistake, you can't get
punished, right?
It just happened.
So like, these people who areblind to it, they just never get
punished.
Like
abaan (23:32):
Dude, anyways, so then
game three, Michael like rolls
me over, pretty just, like just,just, I don't know, he just ran
me off the board, I had no
Liam (23:38):
Yeah, hit them Dusners,
hit the Tsar, then you have like
a slightly stinky start,unfortunate.
abaan (23:43):
I had no chance.
And then, next round, I playedagainst a Maradon where I will
say, like, he was, he was areally nice guy, like, I think
at one point, was like, one ofmy sleeves that was like,
extremely damaged, you know?
And like, I don't know, hepicked it up, and he was like,
Oh, this sleeve is like, cooked,you know?
And he just like, let me switchit out.
I mean, I don't know, maybe thatwas like, not very nice, like,
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maybe that's like, a normalthing to do, but like, I was
glad they didn't like, make ahuge deal out of it, bro,
because it was kind of bad,like, there was like, a huge
like, thumbnail mark on it, andI was like, I don't know why
this happened, bro, and he justlike, randomly when he was
shuffling my deck, he was justlike, oh.
This seems like cooked, and Iswitched it out, and like, that
was it.
There was nothing else said.
I thought that was like, prettyreasonable, and I appreciated
that.
2 0'd him, but it was it was agood series.
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Dude, I didn't know any way totransition.
Like, I got him with theclassics, like I lost him to
Zapdos one game, and the othergame I like just mimicked.
I don't even know.
I just
Liam (24:33):
A classic.
Yeah,
abaan (24:36):
was pretty free.
then the next round, I'm 5 Isthis when I do it?
Is this when I do the thing?
I think it is, yeah.
I think it's when I played IanRobb.
1, he's not playing Cologne, butat the time, I didn't know this,
okay?
So like, there's a little bit
Liam (24:50):
Ubun's feeling out the
waters.
abaan (24:52):
Yeah, this is all I will
say is that me losing to Ian
Robb is way less egregious thanJeremy losing, but the way I
lost is more egregious.
Like, what I did was moreegregious, but like, the
Liam (25:00):
Yeah, going in.
abaan (25:02):
Yeah, I was like a bigger
underdog, or not underdog, I'm
the favorite, a huge favorite,but I was like
Liam (25:07):
You had a lower chance to
win than Jeremy did going into
the round, right?
abaan (25:12):
Game one, I I get it
done, but I didn't really like,
peace that there was no Cologne,because I I Syleene'd and I hit
double heads for two missed, twomimis, and he'd already V
starred.
So I just assumed like, oh, heknows that he can't get through,
Two Mimikyus, because he has oneCologne, and he's out of the
stadiums, so I was like, okay,like, that's, that's a
reasonable scoop from Ian, Irespect that.
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Game two, we get into this weirdsituation where I burn a switch
naturally, and dude, to losethis game, by the way, is like,
just disgusting work.
First of all, Ian throws fromminute one.
He starts Radzard, and he hasCleffa in hand.
He just, like, I guess becausehe knows that he doesn't
Liam (25:47):
Donates a three retreater.
abaan (25:49):
Dude, I have no clue,
like, he's like, talking about
it, like, in the middle of histurn one, and he's like, yeah,
you can't just, like, startCleffa in this matchup, and
Well, that's a beautifulstarter! That's like a,
Liam (26:00):
Top five.
abaan (26:01):
what?
But, anyways, he doesn't startit, and I was like, okay, bro,
I'm feeling great, and then allof a sudden he hits me with like
a double E switch attack withRadzard, like, he's actually a
couple times, I'm like, okay,gotta keep this on the horizon,
and then all of a sudden he justhits me, and I was like, hmm,
this 5 there must be a punish,you know, and like, I am sacking
this guy.
I, I actually, like, the more Ithink about it, the more lucky I
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got.
Like, there was one turn wherehe researched into both his
switchouts, and I just Eerie'daway the Prime.
And then CC'd something, and Istarted waterpawning.
And, like, game is locked up.
All I have to do Okay, what Iassumed was gonna happen was
that he's down both switchouts,so he's gonna V Star for both,
use one, take two on thewaterpawn sorry, use the Prime,
Take two on the Pidgeot, havethe switch left so I can't
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waterpon again, and then mycounterplay to that, because
he's out of gusts as well, isjust to jam the lax, use lax for
the first gust, and thenwaterpon for game.
So I'm building my deck in a waythat that's going to happen, and
like, I am locked in on thatthat's my plan.
Then he just hits me withsomething I've never seen
before, which, I literally wrotea guide for people who were
picking up this deck, like, lastsecond, like, for everyone, and
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I, like, talked about thestrategy explicitly.
When they leave Prime as theironly switching out, that shit is
not a real switching out,because you could pick up your
last basic, and Prime doesn'teven work.
But I just didn't see it, Idon't even know.
So anyways, he just uses theswitch, leaves Prime in deck,
Ionos, and then I just, like,freak out, I'm, like, trying to
figure out how I can discard hisPrime, because he decked himself
with Ionos, so half his hand isin his hand, and half is in his
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deck.
And I don't have sisters.
So, like, I have to opt intoEerie if I'm going for this
plan.
So I go for the 50 50 to wininstead of the guaranteed.
I pick up my Lax.
If I just pick up my Lax, leftthe Pidgeot active, a blank
Drago on the bench, like, noenergy attached.
So instead of, like, lockinginto this, like, I need to,
like, get his Hawlucha active orsomething like that, I just had
to CC the Lax.
Er, sorry, CC the blank Drago,pick up my Penny, there's no
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Prime left.
Or like, he can't use Prime andI win the game.
I don't see that, I go for theEerie, I miss it, and I just
lose.
Oh, I didn't even lose rightthen! I could have just passed
with the Pidgeot active, but Iwas looking at his head and
doing the math, I was like, oh,he has Prime guaranteed, and I
didn't even think about the nextstep of like, what if I just
like, leave this Pidgeot active?
I just win.
Like, I just, ah, dude, it's sobad.
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It was maybe the most disgustingmistake
Liam (28:10):
It's different, bro.
When you're not in the sandbox,it's different.
abaan (28:14):
Oh my goodness, bro.
And then Game 3, he just, like,ran me over.
Like, that I have no regretsabout Game 3.
Liam (28:18):
Yeah, no, the game theory
was terrible.
Yeah.
abaan (28:20):
it's not
Liam (28:20):
Yeah, okay.
abaan (28:21):
it's just what it is what
it is, right?
Anyways, I'm playing againstGrant Manley, and I'm, like,
lowkey still tilted about theseries before.
Just frustrated.
So, so frustrated.
I lose Game 1, and then Grantjust starts talking, bro.
He's like, Oh my goodness, like,this matchup, I was trying to
play Pidgeot myself, and thisDraugr matchup was too abysmal.
I was like, this guy is, like,lost, bro.
Game 2, completely, like, rinsedhim.
Like, that matchup was it was,like, Disgusting what I did, you
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know?
And, like, I'm, like, gettingall those resources, like, and
in game three, I drew theperfect hand.
So good that going second, I'mhe discards a Research with an
Ultra Ball, and I managed toLuxray and I have the T2
Pidgeot.
And still, like, Grant Grantliterally sacks me so hard.
He should, like this Luxraylock, by the way, should
basically, like, give me, like,two or three turns to, like,
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sisters a bit, like,
Liam (29:06):
Just breathe.
abaan (29:07):
like, actually, I should,
like, have, like, so much time
on my hands.
No, absolutely not.
Like, he within, like, twoturns, he's Still attacking me
and like just like cooking meat.
And then he gets unlucky at theend.
Like he researches for ninecards and prime pictures bottom
two.
So he loses.
But like, I don't know, he wascomplaining hella about this
whole thing, man.
Like that luxury lock shouldhave been the dagger, bro.
There, there was actually likethe fact that he was
Liam (29:26):
Should've been the dagger!
abaan (29:31):
so I don't know.
Whatever man.
He was nice enough that we werein time.
He scooped it up after theresearch missed the prime.
So fair enough, fair play, youknow, can't complain too much
because you're so gracious aboutit.
But I was like, dude, this islike, you got lucky to be in a
position to get unlucky, youknow?
Oh, well,
Brent (29:50):
I like that he was able
to lock you back in after you
were like on tilt against Ian.
You gotta go to Grant for a peptalks.
Yeah, you gotta go to Grant fora pep talks at future
tournaments.
Grant, tell me how I'm trash.
Tell me how I'm trash.
abaan (30:01):
No, but it, it had to be,
it had to be so natural and raw.
Like it had to be like him, likelegitimately saying like, this
matchup is like so terrible forpi.
I was like, bro, I can't, dude,if I, if I exit this tournament
going oh two to Dragos, likethat would be such a bad look
for my, like, for everything,
Liam (30:15):
Yeah, dude, Grant was
telling me, like After, like,
round 7, I told him I was on,like Pidgeot was like, Ugh, I
desperately want to hit you,bro.
This is I'm gonna show you howthis Drago matchup goes.
abaan (30:26):
he lost a camera Kawasaki
right before that.
Playing Dango, and apparently,like,
Liam (30:30):
Oh, yeah, he, like, ass
pressed the Red Zard, right?
Oh,
abaan (30:36):
prized it Game 1, and
Game 3, he got, like, he got
donked by Dango, bro.
He started Mew, and just passed.
And just knocked out.
And then, Cameron told me,because Game 2, apparently, was
just a Kyurem game.
He told me that Grant, he didn'tknow Grant played Radzard until
after Grand Theft Auto whenGrant just told him.
Like, imagine like a series ofDango vs.
Radzard and, or sorry, Dangovs., exactly, Dango vs.
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Drago, but, and not seeing theRadzard the whole time.
Like, wow.
Crazy.
But yeah, we hit him with onetoo.
Knocked him out.
Brent (31:09):
Liam, you ready to tell
us a little about your run?
Liam (31:13):
sure, yeah, I forgot about
that.
I don't know.
Yeah, I guess I'll go through itpretty fast.
Round Drago you know, justconverted.
Round 2, I hit Block.
W matchup converted after game1.
Bro said, I'm not gonna wasteour time.
We're gone.
abaan (31:25):
this Drago guy, it wasn't
just as simple as you converted,
bro.
He was he was doing crazy stuffto himself.
It was like, two people were Hehheh.
Liam (31:33):
forgot, yeah, this was,
this was the one where I think
like both games, like, this guylike hit the V Star on turn two
and then missed the attack.
That's criminal work, like,you're gonna pop the V Star on
turn two, you have to win onlike turn three, basically,
right?
Like,
abaan (31:45):
prize attack right there,
and then hit another three prize
attack right
Liam (31:47):
yeah, exactly, you gotta
just like run me off the board,
right when I hit the attack, Iwas after the V Star, so yeah, I
was cooked and I think I waslike both games or something,
right?
Like, it was like crazy work.
Round three I hit a lot.
Raging Bolt, and I actually lostthe first game, like, I don't
even know how, it was like, justsome like, crazy wizardry, like,
I like, hit the Eerie on turnone, and like, I see this guy's
hand is like, all energy.
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And I'm like, bro, like, what?
And There we go, a guy like,attaches and passes, and like,
he has like a bolt active and helike doesn't hit the burst roar
for some reason, I think therewas like good reason, I didn't
think that was like an egregiousmistake, right, but like, yeah,
or, no, this guy's like attach,pass, attach, pass, and then I
rip the Eerie, and he has twoenergy down, and there's like
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nothing in his hand, and solike, I like, I thought I was
like fine, And then, he like,topdecks boss and like, takes
two prizes, and I like, hadn'treally built my board, like, I,
I like, benched the Pidgey atthat point, cause I thought I
was like, I thought I was gonnabreathe for a little bit, and
like, just like, bosses andtakes two prizes, and then
basically just like, plays thegame normally, and I like, kind
of like, overbenched to give himlike, too many easy prizes, you
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know and then, and then he justlike, gets there, and I'm like,
dude, like, you're gonna like,attach pass, attach pass,
attach, and then like, I like,lost, I don't even know how,
but, you know.
Yeah, game two and three I likelocked in and I was like, bro,
I'm not, I'm not like giving youany easy stuff anymore, bro, and
like, turn one of like bothgames, this guy like benched the
ninja, and then I just like, youknow, blocked up, CC, CC, CC,
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got him,
abaan (33:16):
you know what's crazy,
Liam?
I think there's, like, somethingto be said for, like, the way he
won that game.
It was so confusing to him, thathe just, like, thought, like, he
could do whatever he wanted tobeat you, like, a little bit.
Like, I wonder if Game 1, like,in a very, like, classic
Blockbox versus Bolt way, andthen he, like, He won Game 2
like something similar to how hedid win.
If Game 3, his mindset's sodifferent.
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Like Game I bet he like won Game1, lost Game 2, and was like,
that was a fluke.
I'll just do it again.
And then he won
Liam (33:41):
yeah,
abaan (33:42):
I don't know.
The
Liam (33:43):
maybe, maybe but yeah, I
was round three, round four I
hit Lost Pulse, I'm like, thematchup's fine, but you have to
get a Pidget out, I didn't get aPidget out, like, I like, I got
my Pidgey, like, Prime KO'd onmy turn 2, and then like, you
know, I kind of just got like,run off the board.
You know, it's whatever.
round 5, I hit Dark RideDuskner.
(34:06):
That matchup's terrible.
It's terrible, like.
Dude, the worst part is, Avant,they're, they're basically
playing like, the the Moon Moon.
abaan (34:15):
oh, oh.
Liam (34:16):
No, they play like, Moon
Moon, and then they just pop a
Duskner at the end and go, setyou to 1, and hit with a Pekka.
Alright.
it's
abaan (34:24):
Yeah, yeah.
Liam (34:25):
like super cool, but you
can't stop it and that's like if
they don't like run you off theboard,
abaan (34:29):
You have to go for stuff
for sure, right?
you Dusknoir
Liam (34:33):
yeah, I mean, obviously in
that spot, but yeah, that
matchup sucks, bro and
abaan (34:38):
the worst matchup, dude,
that's like one of our worst
matches, probably.
It's like, Ride
Liam (34:42):
I think it's already the
worst one.
I got there actually one game, Iwon the first one, and I was
like, dude, like, this isexactly what you get, like, I
already got my loss for the day,and like, now I just have to
like literally lock in, andlike, get it done, like, sheer
force of will, like, I'm hittingwith the Blood Moon, like, so
fast, and like, somehow just getit done on this guy, but I did
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not get it done either of thenext two games, unfortunately.
And so I was, yeah, I was,Peace.
3 at that point, I was like,super tilted.
But, hit a, I hit a Moon Moonwith the Enhanced Hammer, and
that's when I was getting itdone, bro.
Like, that matchup I think ispretty bad.
Like, they,
abaan (35:18):
we
Liam (35:18):
they're gonna win, and
like,
abaan (35:20):
like, it was dicey.
Liam (35:21):
yeah.
But, Aura up, get it done, I Iripped the Sisters, like, Game
2.
I ripped the Eerie Game 1, justripped the Hammer.
Er, no, no, I ripped the SistersGame 1, and I ripped the Hammer,
and I was like, ooh, damn, thatwas close.
Like, haha.
I almost just lost to that.
And then game two, like, oh,game two I like hit this guy
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with an Eerie, and like, theEerie was literally just
checking like the first prizethis guy took, like, because I'd
already like pre attached amist, I was
abaan (35:54):
like, my would think
like, going
Liam (35:56):
I got it!
abaan (35:58):
I would literally, like,
I wouldn't, I normally don't
suspect foul play, but if I drewmy e hammer and my opponent
instantly e hammered, I'd belooking behind me like, bro,
this guy got, like, a, like, aguy out there or what, bro?
This is crazy.
Liam (36:10):
But yeah, I got it.
So yeah, that was, I ended upgetting it done, bro.
Yes.
Brent (36:16):
Dude, dude, Eerie ing
when a guy picks up prizes is
just smart work, cause like, hedoesn't, like, he couldn't plan
ahead for it, cause like, it's asurprise for him as well, right?
I love it.
Liam (36:26):
maximum stuff the Eerie
could get was, was a prize,
right?
Cause like, I, I already had amissdown, so as soon as he sees
the E Hammer.
abaan (36:33):
yeah, so, would say the
only counter argument I would
have is like, if you couldPidgeot, you would probably
should just Pidgeot for thesisters, right?
But, fine, if, if you
Liam (36:42):
Yeah, I, the, the Erie was
natural.
It was like, it, it was a goodErie.
It was, it was not like, Idesperately hope that this E
hammers there.
I was like, that's like, that'sone reason.
But I also wanna like, hit Gusand like, I have the Erie in the
hand raw or something like that.
Like, it, it was a good Erie.
abaan (36:58):
sure, I, I'm willing to
just saying like, I would be
tweaking out if I was youropponent.
Genuinely, like,
Liam (37:03):
I, I know that, that was
like super rough, bro.
And he was on like X two, butGuy took it like a champ and
then, you know, hit him with thesweep.
abaan (37:10):
it like a champ.
Alright,
Liam (37:12):
yeah.
Took it like a champ.
Round 7, I hit Drago.
Oh, this was the round that Iwas like, late to, bro.
So this guy like, made me like,prove it Game 1.
And then Game 2, like, he kindof just had like, a slow start.
Oh, and then I like, hit like a,I hit like an Eerie, and like,
there was like, no supporters inhis hand.
There was the Drago V, and like,I got like, something off the
Eerie too.
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I like, got the Cologne, andlike, the guy like, draws the
next card, and there's like, youknow, no supporter or something.
Like, I know I'm getting theErika next turn, and he just
scoops it up.
That was Game 2.
abaan (37:41):
the
Brent (37:41):
Th
Liam (37:42):
no, but I, I, I think he
knew I had the Erika, so it
didn't matter.
Brent (37:46):
th this is worth taking
a, a moment to do like a, a dead
digression.
I mean, I can't, what would I,what did, what did I have?
There was something I needed togive you.
I can't remember what it was,but I'm, so, I, I'm hanging
around multiple regionals.
Round seven starts, there wassomething I had to give Liam, I
dunno if it was like a bottle ofwater that I like.
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I picked up a bottle of waterfor everybody that were around
before, like he'd asked me topick up a bottle of water or
something like that.
So I walk over to his table togive it to him.
abaan (38:14):
And
Liam (38:15):
Oh, not
Brent (38:16):
right when pairing's
coming out, and he's not even
there.
And then they're like, you maybegin, and he's like, not even
there, and I'm like, oh my god.
And then like, Liam runs over,and I'm like, this is a
disaster, like he's X2, he'splaying a, a Block Lax deck, and
Like, he's late to the round?
How did we come out of this, andliterally, like, 20 minutes
(38:39):
later, he's the first persondone, in the entire building.
He walks back over, he's like,Yeah, I got it.
It was crazy business.
Crazy business.
abaan (38:49):
it's a
Liam (38:50):
it's fair, yeah, dude, I,
I would have been so tilted if I
lost because I was late thatround, like,
abaan (38:55):
What if he like,
randomly, and then he hits you
with the Ian Robb?
Oh yeah, I'll V Star for twoIotos.
Liam (39:01):
yeah, exactly, like,
abaan (39:02):
tell people about that.
Against Jeremy, Ian apparently,game one, he, like, knew his
code, and us immature mortals.
Liam (39:10):
Ooh,
abaan (39:10):
grab, like, Ioto and,
like, Sinnoh or something.
So we have Alce, not Ian.
He just grabs two Iotos.
He's, like, literally with a
Liam (39:18):
he knows he's cooked, and
ooh,
abaan (39:20):
And then game two,
Liam (39:21):
maturity maxing.
Okay.
abaan (39:25):
had no clue.
None.
He was like, I don't know, I Mewat one point, we're like, KO'd a
Mew?
That, that can't be right.
That can't, what, what are you,you can't unmute?
He's like, yeah, bro, it madesense at the time.
I was like, I don't think itdid, but that's okay.
And then game bro.
Liam (39:42):
like, I, I actually, I'm
so interested in what happened
in that game.
Like, Jeremy can't even describeit.
He, like, he has, like, norecollection of this.
His, like, brain, like,instantly wiped it.
From his like, memory drive,bro.
abaan (39:55):
it's we can understand
what happened if we like, look
at like, level trauma research.
Like, we can
Liam (40:01):
yes, exactly.
Yes.
But, yeah, I'm like, get me inthere, bro.
Like, I, I would, get me inthere.
Like, I, I, I want to play thatmatch up so bad, bro.
Like, lost city to Cologne atthe start of the match, bro.
That's what a bot said, bro.
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That's
abaan (40:22):
It's unbelievable I lost.
Liam (40:24):
unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Brent (40:25):
and, anyway, anyways, so
you were, you, you, late for
round 7, wins round 7 in like 5minutes.
abaan (40:31):
Good
Brent (40:32):
business.
Liam (40:33):
Round 8, I hit a Drago.
I forget exactly what happenedat
abaan (40:35):
so many Draugos and there
weren't even like, high level
Draugos?
Liam (40:39):
I know, I,
abaan (40:40):
name I even recognize is,
like, Round 10, Kamal Cooks
Valdes, and he, like, flutedhimself.
Ugh.
Liam (40:45):
yeah, Jesus, oh, I was so
close to this event, bro, holy
Jesus
abaan (40:52):
You, you gotta draw a
it's, like, quick
Liam (40:54):
round 9, this was my
favorite IDD event, I had Zard,
no Dusknoir, and it's also, alsoexactly where I want to be, I
love, I love the bubble, bro, Ilove it, right, like, yeah.
abaan (41:07):
by the way.
I've, I've literally, the onlyevents, like, I do good at is
when I'm playing for extracredit, bro.
I hate the bubble.
Liam (41:13):
Same.
I mean, you're playing for extracredit?
abaan (41:18):
when you, like, already
have your Day 2, and then you're
playing one more round.
Yeah.
Liam (41:22):
Oh, yeah, no, I ex I mean,
yeah, the,
abaan (41:24):
They, I, I never lose
that round.
They're always so lax.
Like, I swear, I only play like,no aspiration in that round, and
they're always like, ah,
Liam (41:31):
that's, that's so funny.
Oh my god.
I love it, though.
No, but yeah, like, I, like,that's what I'm saying, bro,
like the light in their eyesdoesn't go out when they Like X
one.
Right?
abaan (41:43):
Yeah.
Liam (41:45):
lose at X two.
Whoa.
Whoa.
abaan (41:47):
You're a life stealer?
Oh my
Liam (41:49):
Yeah.
And yeah, this was, I mean, thiswas brutal.
This guy had d like was
abaan (41:56):
outs, zero outs.
Liam (41:58):
was, yeah.
abaan (41:58):
like, you're just
cornerstanding for minute one,
or like, we're just doing amillion different things?
Liam (42:02):
no, I, I don't know.
I was going into the lux, right,bro.
Because I mean, it's a mortal.
So, you know, I was hitting thelux ray.
abaan (42:08):
I hope he,
Liam (42:09):
Oh, oh, and then, like, I,
yeah, I hit, I hit, like, a
Luxray, and then I also, like,dude, I ripped, like, three
things off the flute on, like,turn three, and then, so, yeah,
I went into the lax, like, Idon't know, I was just doing
whatever, yeah, I mean, that wascuck, bro, and, like, you see, I
was on the bubble, spiritbroken, bro, yeah, you, you, you
didn't want to play, like Youjust scooped the whole match,
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like, basically, like, like,four turns into game one.
I was like, damn.
But, hey, respectable.
I, this guy was not gonna get itdone, bro.
Like, I was, that was cooked.
Yeah.
That was
Brent (42:42):
I mean, that's a lot of
breaking people's spirits in day
one.
There's a lot of, like, peoplesaying, oh, I don't like this.
Liam (42:49):
I love it.
Brent (42:50):
It's a beautiful thing.
Liam (42:51):
Eban?
abaan (42:52):
I was gonna say like, I
don't know how I feel about that
as a, like my perspective if Iwas sitting there, but it's
like, someone I could trust isgonna get it done against me,
and the matchup is like acomplete 100 0, and it's not
even about, like it's a real 1000, where they don't even have to
draw well, they have to drawlike a Nessball, and like, it's
over.
I don't know, like, I want tosay that, oh, I would look for
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outs, and I would sit there, andI would grind it out for 50
minutes.
I think, I think that specificmatchup, in that configuration,
it's okay.
You're allowed to go home.
You don't have to.
You don't have to sit and waitit out.
You can just go home.
Liam (43:26):
Yeah, I, I don't know.
abaan (43:27):
it.
And with that context, I thinkmaybe you scooping to Ross is
also okay, now that I thinkabout it.
It's
Liam (43:35):
Yeah,
abaan (43:36):
but still.
Maybe it's
Liam (43:38):
yeah, I mean, I don't
know, yeah.
That Ross, no, yeah, thatscooping the Ross was the right
move there.
Oops.
abaan (43:45):
I've come full circle.
I was claiming you before, butI've come full circle.
It's actually like, just gohome, bro.
It's okay.
Like, it wasn't your event.
Take it on the chin.
Liam (43:55):
Your time is better used
preparing for the next one.
I'll prepare for the next one.
abaan (43:59):
no next one, by the way.
like the last round of the day,but still.
Just go
Liam (44:03):
No, no, the next event,
bro! So your world's prepped
right then, bro.
abaan (44:06):
oh, sure, sure, sure.
Sorry.
Liam (44:09):
I was watching this Thorns
guy, like, Thorns you, bro.
Brent (44:11):
Yeah.
Alright, so you're on to daytwo.
7 2.
Feeling okay?
Because you know you have to winout, right?
Liam (44:18):
I, I was feeling elite,
dude.
I was like, I, I was feeling thesame way I felt after round 3,
bro.
When I was 3 0 with this deck, Iwas like, Please, now, the
Metadex, right?
Like, please, please, please,I've escaped all the, all the
garbage, bro.
And then I hit the Lost Bolt inthe Dark Ride Duskner, but now
(44:39):
it's like, bro, I've, I'vegotten to day two.
This is where I want to be.
I look around, and there'sliterally only good matchups.
Everything is good.
Like, my left, my right, acrossfrom me even, is good.
And, yeah, like, literally, Iwas telling Obann this last
night, bro, like, there was, Iwas like, knew there was, like,
only, something could go wrong.
(45:02):
That's the only way I was gonnalose, like, like, you know, just
some insane variants, right, andlike, this was capped to one
round, one single round.
I, like, I knew I was, I was notgonna go worse than 3 1 on the
day, but I was like, decidingfactor for me will be whether or
not I lose one, right?
Ugh But yeah, round, so round 10I hit Drago.
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This was, yeah, this this wasKamala Crooks, and he I mean he,
he played like pretty, prettywell game 1, but I think he, I
think he overbenched game 2 orsomething.
abaan (45:32):
no, no.
It was game one.
I remember it clearly, because Iwas trying to watch your game,
but I was like, I'm not on daytwo, bro.
I can go to the bathroom if Iwant to.
So I went to the bathroom.
I come back, and there'sliterally all in Liam's discard
is a nest and a flute.
I look over, there's a Radzardand two Dragos.
I was like, did this did thisguy hit the flute of
Liam (45:48):
Is this a Heaven Week
loot?
abaan (45:50):
then I asked Liam later,
and he's like, no, bro.
Kamala just, like, benched bothDragos on the flute.
Hit the Rad just the Zard.
yeah, okay, that's like Ithought Liam was a mega sack,
dude.
Kamal, like, how did Liam justhit me with a flute for three?
How is it possible?
Liam (46:06):
Yeah, I maybe, maybe that
was game 1, I, I have no idea,
but I, I thought he played likepretty well aside from that.
Like, I don't know
abaan (46:13):
I
Liam (46:13):
I feel like
abaan (46:14):
was
Liam (46:15):
he was present with the
board.
abaan (46:16):
sure, but like, he was
like, he had
Liam (46:18):
Oh, I think he had a bad V
Star one of the games, like, it
was a slightly early V Star.
abaan (46:23):
yeah.
Liam (46:24):
that was bad.
abaan (46:26):
that, because, dude, that
one I also walked away and I
came back and I assumed V Startmust have still been up because
Liam (46:30):
I don't know, like,
abaan (46:31):
had been made.
Like, no
Liam (46:32):
the thing is, though, I
like, when you're playing
against someone, you can, like,understand their thought
process, right, like, you, youknow what they're thinking.
It's like you gain some respectfor them, right?
Like, can tell that they'retrying to leave the forest,
right?
Like, you can tell that they're,like, what they're seeing in the
forest, and like, that they'remaking, like, reasonable
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choices.
It's very different when, like,you look at someone and you can
tell they're blind in theforest.
They're just like, headlesschicken running around.
abaan (47:00):
yes, yes.
okay, I'm sure that if I wasplaying that game, I would
think, okay, some of thesedecisions are reasonable, but,
like, from, like, being able tosee both hands, and, like,
seeing the board and stuff, Ididn't think that much of how he
played it, because he was, like,never even close.
He was, like,
Liam (47:12):
I don't know, like, I got
the sense that he was able to,
he was able to feel the flow ofthe game.
In the sense that, or like, theone time I thought, I thought
that he was out of touch withthe flow of the game was when he
thought he needed to, like, VStar.
But, like, like, I felt like hehad an accurate sense of how
close the walls were to, like,closing in, you know?
Like,
abaan (47:31):
Okay, okay.
Sure, sure, sure.
Fine.
I understand what you're gettingat.
And, like, well, like, yeah,maybe I'm playing him too hard.
He played, he played, thematchup's not good.
The matchup's, like, not he made
Liam (47:40):
I mean, like, I agree.
I think there were some, like,practical mistakes but, like, I
was like, this guy has a goodsense of where the game is at,
right?
It's not, like, made somemistakes, but, like, good head
on his shoulders.
abaan (47:59):
What the hell, you just
bro?
Like, what are you talkingabout?
Brent (48:03):
I like, I like, you know
what?
I'm always saying we gotta bemore of a force for positivity
in the community, and I like it.
I like it.
But then you have to playVoreskill, right?
abaan (48:12):
Good head, shoulders.
Liam (48:15):
dude, I, I literally lost
it, like, when I saw I paired
Bresco, because I was like, thisis, this is the beginning of the
end, bro, like, this is maybe,like like the worst pairing in
my entire bracket, bro, like,literally anything else, give me
anything else, like, and thisLugia matchups is not even bad,
so I was not like, it's notlike, it's not like I thought
(48:37):
the run was over, but I waslike, Jesus Christ, bro, like,
they're preying on my downfallwith this pairing, bro You're
doing everything they can tostop me right now.
and, and we, I, I lost thatround.
But, we, we went to three games.
The first one, he just like, ranme over.
And, and yeah, I, I, I knewwhat, I knew what this guy was
thinking.
He told me the same thing.
Same thing afterwards, he waslike, yeah, dude, after the
first game, I thought your deckwas just like, blockbacks, and I
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was just gonna like, jet, boss,you know, run you over, like,
the entire time, and then helike, tried to do the same thing
game two, but he got a littlebit greedy with the run me over,
where I, I like, had a, a laxup, and I, dude, I was so proud
of this play, because this isnot something that like, you
know, the the Jake Gearheartpilled, Liam from like you know,
like, a year ago would havedone, which is like, I had an
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option to like, CC the Squawk,or CC a an Archeops, and I was
gonna go into the Lax, and I waslike, I might wanna just like,
feel like CCing the Squawk islike, the right move, because it
like, shuts down like, anyactivity like, permanently, if I
wanted to go into like, theMimikube or something long term,
but I was like, if I just CCthis Lax?
I was like, what if I just CCthis Lax and see if this guy
wants to hit me, bro?
he wanted to hit me, and then,yeah, so you like attach some
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energy to the Archeops, and thiswas like a game losing mistake,
I like, hit the Geocomo the nextturn, and then boom, there's
like, you know, a ton of energyin the discard pile, and it's
like, ooh, ooh, now this like,Archeops is locked, and like,
the Geocomo is it just discardeda bunch of energy, and it's
saying like, Palpat Geocomo nextturn, bro, like, It's cooked.
abaan (50:00):
Dude, Liam,
Liam (50:01):
so he scooped, I think,
like, right after that turn.
abaan (50:03):
seen situations like that
a lot, and I actually opt to go
for what you do too, where youjust bait
Liam (50:09):
The Stroke check.
abaan (50:11):
I like, it's really a bad
thing, but like, you do just
have to like, watch them, andlike, think about like, how good
are they, like how patient arethey, like you have to like,
really like, I guess Ian and Robbro, I'm taking the squawk all
day, like, I'm taking the squawklike 30 times in a row, bro but
against, like, anyone else,like, ooh, I don't know, let's,
let's see if they make
Liam (50:31):
Yeah, I don't know, I
thought, I thought Varesco was
playing, like, really wellbecause he I, sign led to him
being a maturity maxer, bro,because I, I think, like, early
on in or yeah, in the firstgame, bro, he he had the
opportunity, I, like, startedthe Mimikyu, and he started the
Lugia, the opportunity, like,Retreat, and then Primal Torport
to the Archeops, and, like,Archeops KO'd the Mimikyu, and I
was, like, really want to seethat, you know?
Like, that's, that's something Iwant to see.
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I, I don't exactly remember why,but I was like, you know, throw,
throw this, like, Archeops inthe active, right?
Throw a bunch of energy on it.
Desperate need.
And he did not do that, like,ooh, we got a maturity maxer
over here.
It's, it's actually, like,maybe, like, 90 percent of the
population, if they have anopportunity to take a prize,
versus not take a prize, theywill, like, always take the
prize.
Like, there's, like,
abaan (51:13):
not in a blanket way,
but, like, definitely in the
Pidgeot like, every prize is soearned, like, every prize is
everything, like, I need aprize, like, every time I see a
potential, right?
Liam (51:23):
I don't know, I, I think
so in the blanket way.
abaan (51:25):
No, bro, I don't think, I
don't think people are that bad,
like, let's say they're in boldor something, and they're
playing against Zard, like, theygot,
Liam (51:30):
Oh.
Yeah,
Brent (51:34):
particularly like the LAX
matchup, if they're like, I'm
able to take a prize withoutplaying a boss or a switch, I
should take that prize.
We gotta like, take all theprizes we can
abaan (51:41):
Yeah,
Brent (51:42):
don't cost us bosses and
switches.
abaan (51:43):
matchup.
You're not in their head, Liam.
In the lax matchup, they'reobsessed, bro.
They must take every singleprize
Brent (51:48):
Yeah, yeah.
abaan (51:51):
Which is fine, but he's
using a resource, right?
He's using two energies andputting three more on a chop, so
like, he's not getting a freekill.
He's actually, like, paying apremium for this kill.
It's
Brent (52:00):
you were charging him a
different set of resources.
for joining us.
Liam (52:18):
I like, dude, I like,
almost got there.
was like a weird game, like, itwas, it was like a pretty middle
of the road draws, I think,like, he, like, opened with,
like, a read the wind or, like,he had to, like, turn to read
the wind, so, like, I had, like,a little bit of room to breathe,
but then, like, from there, it'sjust, like, go, go, go, you
know, and, like, he, he got,like, the cincino down, I didn't
cheese him with the flute, likeso he, so he got to, like, a
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good board.
But I got to a good board aswell, right?
And like,
abaan (52:42):
I favored them in that
spot, right, like, obviously.
Liam (52:47):
yes, I think so, and also
this was like, I said this
before, this was likeparticularly bad, because it was
like a four boss list, so like,it's like raw boss draws are
just like, every time, everytime, you know?
Like, I just had it like that,
abaan (53:01):
you don't, have to loot
me for it, ah, dude, going right
over.
Liam (53:04):
And so, yeah, I, but I
like almost got there, I like,
my Pidget got chipped, I went CCto KO Minccino, but then I was
able to like, bench lock him thefollowing turn.
And, and so I bench locked himout of any ways to hit for
harder than 220, but my Pidgetgot chipped, and then,
abaan (53:25):
were you trying, were you
trying to bear sweep or no?
Because, like, I guess that
Liam (53:27):
no, no, no, because I had
the Giacomo, so I can like play
for like like inevitability inthat sense, right?
abaan (53:32):
was, like, maybe, like,
throw in the second Pidgeot and,
like,
Liam (53:34):
Yeah, like, if I got a
second Pidget up, I, like,
instantly win the game, bro, butI, I, like, pried the Thorn in
that game, so.
abaan (53:41):
Oof.
Liam (53:41):
I was, like, not in the
cards, but I had the Bear and,
like, the Mimmy, so I was, like,pretty close to getting it done.
Yeah, I, I got, like, reallyclose, but,
abaan (53:49):
Oh kind of do like some
weird, like bear, like promote
bear, like cc like chops maybe.
I don't know, like, or maybe,
Liam (53:57):
Yeah, no, no, yeah, like,
I can, like, spread his energy
around, like, he has, like, hehas, like, two Lugias down now,
right?
Like, like, you don't getbenchlocked with, like, nothing,
right?
There's, there's no Woomy.
Or no, I think I, I think therewas a Lummi, but just hit with
the hands.
So the legacy was locked, right?
abaan (54:11):
ooh,
Liam (54:11):
he, he hands the kato the
pitch.
abaan (54:13):
not allowed of ha.
I don't think you're yet.
Gets they just get, they justgusted like six times in a row.
Like you have
Liam (54:19):
that, that's what I did
the next turn.
abaan (54:21):
yeah
Liam (54:22):
I don't know.
It, it got to like a reallyweird spot and I, yeah, I made a
mistake because I, I basically,yeah, I like geo that I promoted
like the miq.
I promoted the miq and he hadone prize left and then like, he
just had the jet to hit with theArchie ops.
But, I was like,
abaan (54:37):
I think that match of
just, it just sounds like if you
had second pitch out, you'd justwin.
Right.
Liam (54:41):
yeah, yeah,
abaan (54:42):
seeing that board, like,
ooh.
Liam (54:43):
I was like, dude I was so
close, like I would have hit the
second Pidget if I had theThornton in deck, and then like,
I would have removed the Mimmy,right, with the Thornton, so
like, my board would have justbeen like, big guys, and I you
know, I'd have the Pidget, I'ddo whatever I want, right?
abaan (54:56):
three balls at that point
too, so, like, even if he uses,
like, one boss to chip, hecan't, like, finish.
Liam (55:00):
I didn't, I don't think
so, but like, there's, chips
were gonna cost too much, youknow, like, it was and, yeah.
if I got the pitch it down, Iwas gonna get it done right.
But I, I did not.
And then like, ugh, I was, I waslike so close.
I think if I, if I, if I pushthe bear, I have like a chance,
but I didn't wanna push the bearbecause I wanted to like, I
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dunno, I wanted to see if Icould like end it like right
there with like the mini shove,but, Mm-Hmm.
Because I didn't have another CCin hand, so I was like, I just
like, yeah, like I was hopinglike energy or something, but I
was really hoping have rawenergy hand, I guess.
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Because I was like, if I pushthe bear, like his hands have
like three energy, he justretreats and CC.
And like, that's like locked,you know.
But, I don't know.
I don't know, it was reallyhard.
But, yeah.
I was so close, Jesus Christ.
AHHHHHH! Round 12.
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Round 12 I hit a Drago.
and yeah, I farmed it.
Like game two I got, I dealed.
I like, you know, the Drago gotset up without like any
resources gone.
and a like.
Beat to like, not good, but gothim one in three.
And then last round I hit a D.
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But I dunno, I just got withthis this guy's bro, I I talked
to him.
He, he lives in like New Jersey,I think, and I talked to him in
the Hawaii airport when we wereflying back.
a super chill guy.
He didn't wanna play game two,which was fair.
Shoutout to that guy though.
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Yeah, that was my tournament.
I like I was so close bro, I wasso close.
Like, ugh, Pult, Dark RideDuskner, and that Lugia game
bro.
Those are the losses.
A
Brent (57:02):
Alright guys, let's,
let's, let's jump into the list,
because I, I, I, I don't want togive a short shrift to this,
because I think it's reallyinteresting.
Big picture, do you guys havestrong feelings?
About, towards list when hepublished it compared to you
guys.
Liam (57:15):
No bro, every knows that
I'm a D1 Tordglazer, bro, but
every single time I see oneTord's list after the event, I
like, I don't understand any ofit, you know, I just like, I see
it and I'm like, mm, what is hedoing, bro?
Now, like, this is what alwayshappens, and then like, over the
course of the next two weeks,I'm like, you know, I'm building
my decks and whatever, and like,I like, encounter these issues,
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and I'm like, how can I fixthis?
And then, boom, I've alreadyseen the idea.
So like, idea pops to mind, I'mlike, oh, Tord had this in his
list, I was like, ah, throw thatin.
And like, slowly but surely, Ijust like, add all the junk that
was in his list, bro.
abaan (57:50):
I stand
Liam (57:50):
and yeah, his list is
elite, bro.
dude,
abaan (57:53):
list for this event
specifically, like,
Liam (57:56):
maybe, don't know, I,
dude, Tord's list was elite,
bro.
This everything about that listis amazing.
Incredible.
Brent (58:02):
Alright, so let, let,
let's talk, let's talk
specifics, right?
So I, I, I went to the troubleof like breaking all this down.
He runs a Pidge and Lumion andyou guys did not.
Pgy, right?
abaan (58:14):
sure.
I think, I was asked this manytimes, like, personally, like,
throughout the event, like, thisone Pidgeot, or, like,
especially after the event, whenthey saw the list, like, this
one Pidgey idea, I think,Arlist, it doesn't really care
about the second Pidgey becauseyou have Seeker Box, so when
they snipe the Pidgey, like, alot of times you can, like,
Seeker Box and pull out thewhole combo, like, Thorin,
Candy, Sealstone for Pidgeot,or, Whatever, and like, you can,
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you don't really need the secondPidgeot in our list
specifically, and then about theLumi, same kind of concept,
like, because we often revert tobeing like a straight block lex
deck in like very specificmatchups, like, this Lumi card
is like a huge liability a lot,especially since we
Liam (58:47):
Yeah, I, I, I think the
most important way to think
about this deck is like, we'relike we're like a block Pidget
deck, right?
It's not a like a, like a Pidgetbox that, like, you, like, have
to get the Pidget up, like, veryfast, and then, You know, you
kind of just run with it theentire game, and like, throw
these attackers, hit the pennyevery single turn.
Like, no, this is like like,opening with hands that are
like, block, block, Rotom islike, very good, right?
Because you have you know, blocklocks, those are like, every
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game, and like, you know, itworks out pretty well for them,
right?
This so like, we're not, we'renot as aggressively, like,
trying to get the Pidget out.
We don't have to lean on thePidget, like, as heavily, like,
if the Pidget dies, you actuallyhave, like, winning chances
still in a lot of games.
As opposed to like, the otherlist, where like, sometimes you
can get there if your like, handis like, perfectly prepared and
stuff, but like, if that Pidgeotdies really fast, you're just
like, cooked with the the otherlist.
abaan (59:29):
there's two core
philosophies about Pidgeot that
like, are competing here.
Our philosophy is that Pidgeotdies too fast in this format and
too easily, that there's just noreason to like, put all your
eggs in getting Pidgeot out andhoping it saves the whole game.
Their logic is like, actually,your Pidgeot doesn't die that
easily, and there's like a lotof counterplay.
Like, their idea is like,they're gonna Genesect to stop
Prime, and they have Cape forlike, Stardom Mansion 4, and
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they can't get through the CapedPidgeot.
Like, they can't get throughCaped Mystic Pidgeot.
So like, I think, there's a lotmore merit to the other logic
than I gave credit for.
Like, I didn't really considerhow good, like, Cape, Mystic
Genesect is, but I, wouldn'twant to play Pidgeot without
Seeker Box now that I've, nowthat I've played it.
Like, it might not be correct,but like, man, I love playing
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with Seeker Box.
It's just the most fun card everto play with.
And like, not just fun, it'sjust like, so functional.
Liam (01:00:16):
I, know, I, I think I kind
of agree, but I, I think it's
like they're like very differentdecks in the sense that like,
our deck is like a stall deck,and their deck is like, block
decks, right?
Like, they're like, trying tohit like a very, very fast
block, and like, In that sensethat like, you can see it more
as like a combo deck kind oftoo, right?
Like, those are the games wherelike the Pidget, like, doesn't
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matter where like you somehowlike wrote them into all the
combo pieces, and like, youknow, the Pidgey dies, but then
boom, you're there with like,you know, Cape, Ogre Pawn,
Genesect, CC.
Like, you can get it donewithout the Pidget, right?
It's all about just like makingthis like combo happen.
And, and
Brent (01:00:52):
Yeah.
I mean obviously the biggestdifference between you, you guys
decking towards is toward cutall the snla and he runs the
Vern and he runs the Gerace andhe runs the maw and then like
just a pilotage stuff, right?
Gensec, Chiu, REI San.
True.
abaan (01:01:07):
the problem for me is
like, like, this Noivern plan
against these Beast Tic Tacssucks.
Like, it's like, 1 1 Noivern,like, they have
Liam (01:01:14):
No, dude, that Netherrealm
plan is really good.
Bro, I think you're missing theidea here.
Like, this plan is actually eatwheat.
He puts Jirachi active, and likea Mimikyu on the bench, and the
Jirachi grabs the whole thing,and he just passes, bro.
And he doesn't even just pass,because you sometimes get there
with the Gus, he just hits withthe Jirachi every turn.
Boom, boom, boom.
And then if you ever kill theJirachi, he just like, instantly
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wins.
abaan (01:01:37):
Oh, I see.
So you don't have to, like, grabTuro and stuff.
Oh, the Jirachi is, like, youdon't have to Pidgeot to get oh,
I was like I guess I am kind ofmissing that.
I didn't really process that hisboard is going to be Jirachi
Mimi, so, like, and he justkeeps benching Mimis because he
plays three.
Liam (01:01:51):
Yeah.
abaan (01:01:52):
Dude, I was thinking also
against the Draugr matchup, he
has the side plan of, like, hejust has the triple Mimi three
miss plan that we always, like,talked
Liam (01:01:59):
Yeah, yeah, exactly,
right?
abaan (01:02:01):
on.
Liam (01:02:02):
I don't know, I, I feel
like it's incredibly sus now,
because I feel like Temple islike, such a lock.
It's like, Temple is so annoyingto deal with.
But,
abaan (01:02:10):
especially because you
don't have Secret Box, you have
the one Artisans, like you,like, ooh, that thing's
sticking, bro.
That thing is sticking for awhile.
He plays two charms, so he getsto do that, but like, enough
bubs, bro.
Not
Liam (01:02:22):
And the cape, but like,
yeah, I, I don't know, it's
like, it's like super sus ifthe, when the Temple sticks,
bro.
Yeah.
abaan (01:02:29):
if, if you cape, he,
they, if they're playing Cologne
still, they can decide, okay,this is the Mimei Cologne, and
then when you like, do the otherstuff, like, he'll, he'll like,
Sinnoh and do nonsense aroundthat, right?
Liam (01:02:39):
no, and like, the, the
mimi board is not very, not very
safe if you have like, secondmimi on the bench and the
temple's in play.
Like, it just dies, right?
Yeah.
abaan (01:02:49):
yeah, I'm
Liam (01:02:49):
yeah, it, like, it exists,
like, the insane.
abaan (01:02:53):
Fire is terrible, bro.
I'm sorry,
Liam (01:02:55):
No, the Chi Fi.
I love the Chi Fi.
I love, I love the Chi Fi.
I think that, I think that'sactually like, for the deck.
I, I think that's like a staplecard.
abaan (01:03:04):
because, because like
your pennies can actually like,
progress, right?
Like, when they have a bad hand,you
Liam (01:03:09):
No, no, it's like, it's
the way you get them to play the
game, bro.
Instead of playing like theEricas and like the Sisters, you
just, you just throw the Chi Yuactive and you're like, we're
not gonna play the game untilyou prove to me that you can
like, or basically until yougive me a board that hits for
290.
Like, until you hit for 290,like, I'm just gonna sit here
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and like mill your stuff.
like, I think that's like soelite, like very different from
the Luxray, because the Luxraydoesn't, like rip into the deck
as aggressively, and you havethis like Iona Luxray trick, but
like, the Chiyu's just like,
abaan (01:03:45):
Tor
Liam (01:03:46):
it's much more devious.
abaan (01:03:47):
I just looked, there's no
sisters at all?
Liam (01:03:49):
there's no
Brent (01:03:50):
No,
Liam (01:03:51):
and I think this Chiyu
card lets you get away with it.
abaan (01:03:55):
I don't know, man.
I'd rather play my dude.
Liam (01:03:57):
Like, I actually like it
so much more, I really hate the
like, The gambling cards, like,I don't know, I've like, kind of
come full circle on the sisterswith this Ogre Pawn Genesect
idea, where I was like, youknow, you like Ogre Pawn, you
Genesect, and you race them tothe switches, right?
But like, like, on earth am Itrying to race people, bro?
Like, I should just lock it up,bro, I'm playing this Pidget
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deck.
Pidgets that you eat.
Like, I,
abaan (01:04:20):
I
Liam (01:04:20):
should be something for
guaranteed.
abaan (01:04:22):
but like, Chiyu, like,
when they like, just jammy tower
you, the thing about Chiyuthat's like, sick, is that you
sometimes just, you are stillracing them.
Like, I don't know what you'retalking like, you're still
racing them, it's just like,less, like, obvious.
Like, you just hit the jammytower randomly, and you're like,
oh, wow, I'm, I'm like,
Liam (01:04:37):
No, yeah, yeah, but like,
the, the point of the Chi Yu, I
think, is not, it's not like, Ican guarantee you get, like,
resources, right?
It's, like, you don't approachit the same way as you do with,
like, the, like, the Ogre, Pawn,Genesect, where you're, like,
Bro, if they hit this switchbefore me, I'm, like, cooked,
you know?
Like, it's more, like, like,accomplishes its goal for sure,
(01:04:59):
and then, like, you know, youhave the potential for, like,
even more upside, right?
abaan (01:05:04):
Yeah, but it doesn't
accomplish its goal for sure,
because they can sometimes dojust like, hit Research, hit
Good Hand, and then blow up your
Liam (01:05:09):
No, no, no, like, like,
it's goal, though, is to, like,
force them to hit for 290.
And, like, there's not a lot ofdecks that can do that, like,
super easily.
Like, the goal is to, like, makesome weakness by forcing 290.
abaan (01:05:24):
I see.
Yeah, yeah, it's not like
Liam (01:05:28):
Like, cause he doesn't
have like the,
abaan (01:05:29):
it out to
Liam (01:05:29):
he doesn't have the
Eirikas, right, so like he, he
can't like make these weaknesseson his own, but like the way he
makes the weakness is throughthe Chi Yu.
You know what,
abaan (01:05:37):
I liked the Erika flute,
as the Weakness Maker.
I thought that, like, the flutewas, like, the one flute was,
like, a great play, like, I justliked doing it, and, like, maybe
I was hitting too hard with it,and,
Liam (01:05:46):
I thought the Flute was
the elite, bro, I like,
abaan (01:05:49):
I thought that
Liam (01:05:49):
I wanted to play two
Flute, bro.
I ripping that card, bro.
But, like, I don't know, it's,
abaan (01:05:57):
it's different.
It's a whole different plan,right?
It's a whole differentphilosophy on
Liam (01:06:00):
exactly, right, mhm.
Brent (01:06:04):
so, so he, he cuts the
Erie, he cuts the saline, he
cuts the Giacomo.
abaan (01:06:09):
still has
Liam (01:06:09):
Dude, the other thing
Brent (01:06:10):
Oh, he, he, he, he ran
one Erie instead of two.
abaan (01:06:13):
yeah.
Brent (01:06:15):
Yeah.
Liam (01:06:15):
The other thing too that I
I didn't understand about Tord's
List, but I like see it now, isthe, the Maulwile.
I like,
abaan (01:06:22):
it.
Mawile's insane.
Liam (01:06:24):
yeah for, for this Draugr
plan, right?
abaan (01:06:27):
because all we Dude,
like, we're sitting there with
our like, water pond on theirHawlucha like an idiot bro, and
we just and we just get mauled,like they switch knockouts out
for two prizes, it's terrible.
But when it's like a Mawile,ooh,
Liam (01:06:39):
exactly, exactly.
also, the other thing about theMaulwile too, is it lets you cut
the stretcher, right?
Because, basically the onlything the stretcher does is for
this Ogre Pawn back to backplay.
abaan (01:06:51):
Or double Pidgeotting
sometimes.
Sometimes.
Liam (01:06:53):
Yeah, like, the stretcher
is like a good card with like
some versatile use, right?
It's like, it's there becauseyou need it.
abaan (01:07:01):
no, no, it wasn't just
for this water pond thing, the
reason we had to placestretchers was laxes, bro.
Like,
Liam (01:07:06):
Yeah, no, I,
abaan (01:07:07):
it was sus.
Liam (01:07:07):
for us, the stretcher made
more sense, right?
Like, I don't think you need tocut the stretcher for like a
motwile, right?
abaan (01:07:12):
yeah
Liam (01:07:13):
like, in Tord's deck,
like, elk.
Eat.
abaan (01:07:16):
The Smallwell card is one
of the things I saw on Torrid's
list and I was like like, Itotally forgot about this card
because of Water Pawn, butthat's lit.
Sure.
Like, Torrid had, like, goodideas on the list.
I still think our list wasbetter.
Like, I, I, if I could run itback, I would, I would either
play it, I would still play ourlist, like, just run it.
I would even play
Liam (01:07:33):
Yeah.
I, I dunno, I, I, I really likedEl List as well.
Like, I thought we were, we werelike,
abaan (01:07:37):
Alessandro is hating on
it so hard, bro.
Like, it's not
Liam (01:07:39):
we we were really good
list.
abaan (01:07:41):
Alessandro is just
hating, bro.
Liam (01:07:43):
yeah, bro, he said didn't
like the Snor and I, I get it,
bro, because like dude, it, whenhe said it, bro, I was like, I
guess that makes sense, right?
He was like, I don't know it,it's because Alessandro thinks
he gets it dunk against racingboat, bro.
I think like he thinks he getsit done against raising Bolt and
he gets it done againstGuardian.
Like, with just like, this like,straight Pidget.
Yeah, I will, I agree with that.
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I think like, if the Maraadondeck does not play Raichu, you
just, you just bench the Rotomand do like, whatever you want
to them, bro.
You know?
Like You have to pidget, bro.
Like,
abaan (01:08:14):
They, like,
Liam (01:08:15):
if there's no, no hand
disrupt, no,
abaan (01:08:17):
Vacuum, Double Zapdos, I
play against
Liam (01:08:19):
yeah,
abaan (01:08:20):
The VitBat, I play, dude,
neither person I play against on
Maridon would just let my Rotomsit there and be invincible.
They have, like, actually, like,six different allies.
They have the
Liam (01:08:28):
sure, yeah, if it's
against that, I don't, I don't
know what you do, bro.
I like, I don't know.
think, I don't know, he like, hebelieves strongly, I think, in
this like this Genesect idea tolike, protect his board, and
like, I don't know, I see it,bro.
Like, you know, I watch thisguy's streams, bro, he gets it
done.
He gets it done all the time,bro.
But like, at the same time,dude, every single time I watch
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the streams, I'm like, Aw, dude,he's against Guardi, bro.
Like, how's he gonna get itdone, bro?
Because, you know, I've hadtrouble with this matchup.
And then, like, the Guardiplayer just, like, draw passes.
And he, like, just has his waywith them.
Like, like, bro, like, I thoughtI was gonna, like, get to see
some elite gameplay.
And he's just like,
abaan (01:09:06):
I think I like Taur's
more.
The Mawile goes crazy, bro.
The Mawile is insane in theGuardian matchup.
Liam (01:09:12):
I don't know, dude, I've
been trying, I've been trying
that and I still struggle intoGardea, like, it's just like,
abaan (01:09:19):
He doesn't have Eirika's
or Flute, though, so actually,
how does he even make them putthe basics down in the first
place?
Liam (01:09:23):
yeah, like, you don't get
a basic and you can't lock the
Curlias without the Snarl Axe,like, you like, kinda can,
because,
abaan (01:09:32):
They
Liam (01:09:32):
you know, the Gardea EX
Evolve is not that good, and
like, you also like,
abaan (01:09:36):
prize, though, so it's
like maybe allowed.
Maybe you just out.
Liam (01:09:40):
don't know, like, I like
always think it's fine, because
I like think about the matchupand I'm like, oh, I guess it's
like, You can just do this andthis and it's like fine but like
the other thing is too whenyou're not when you don't start
the blockbacks or like get intoit like very quickly they like
the screentail hits the activespot like that bro and then like
boom your pidget's like dead inlike two shots and like
abaan (01:10:00):
you
Liam (01:10:00):
there's like some idea
like
abaan (01:10:01):
to get it out, right?
Like, it's oh, that's the worstpart.
You
Liam (01:10:04):
yeah and like
abaan (01:10:05):
and you're just like it's
hitting everywhere for
everything.
I'm losing
Liam (01:10:08):
yeah like so like this
like screentails in the active
and like there's like some ideaof like you got like a second
pidget bro and like as soon asthey take it you just like you
have the other one up alreadybut the thing is too they also
play the devo bro like so likeJust setting up the Pidges is
like,
abaan (01:10:23):
don't play He Hammer or
you just missed it, bro.
I I literally always miss it outof
Liam (01:10:27):
I don't know, dude, I
like,
abaan (01:10:29):
You got Sinnohed, bro?
You got Sinnohed or something?
Liam (01:10:32):
I mean, I don't know, but
like, it's, it's like, yes, it
like sometimes works, but like,I don't know, it's like, there's
like so much room for those,just like, oh, dude, they like,
abaan (01:10:42):
box for Sinnohed.
Oh,
Liam (01:10:44):
I, I also like, yeah, I
don't know, it just, it just
like seems very hard, and theother thing too is, Henry thinks
he gets it done against likethese kinds of Pidget builds,
right, without the Snorlax, theSnorlax.
He's like, yeah, I farmed that.
It's like a 100 0 matchup forme, right?
Like, here's some weight for me.
abaan (01:11:01):
some weight, that like
Henry, dude Henry does he, like
we talked about this on theepisode, I miss that episode, it
was published, but yeah.
Henry like, like literallyrefused to play us after some
point, he was like, Raj, can youplay
Liam (01:11:10):
We were playing the
Snorlaxes, bro.
Like, I think, I think gettingthat one was a good start.
abaan (01:11:14):
was like a wrong
decision, I'm just saying like
he was very worried.
about hitting
Liam (01:11:19):
I know, bro.
I was like, damn.
You get me in this top cut,Henry is sweating now.
abaan (01:11:25):
but I think we, we, we,
I, he had a lot of bodyguards,
bro.
Varesco, like,
Liam (01:11:28):
I know.
I know.
abaan (01:11:29):
was
Liam (01:11:30):
First, we gotta go
through, like, those, like,
Lugia, this, yeah, exactly.
abaan (01:11:33):
e hammer moon, bro.
bro.
He had plot armor, even if wemade it a cut.
We were not seeing thepresident, bro.
We were not
Liam (01:11:40):
I know, I know, I was
like, I was actually like so mad
at that, but, I don't know, I'mlike someone in denial about how
like bad that cut was for us,right?
abaan (01:11:49):
Yeah, of course, like if
you just, if we got to like
carve it out and we got to playlike the, the first we got to
play like the, the guy with thebat deck, not bat, like the
Neuvern thing, be him.
play Henry, or I don't know, weplay someone else.
Somehow like things godifferently and we get to play
against like I don't
Liam (01:12:03):
something not Lugia or
abaan (01:12:04):
we
Liam (01:12:05):
Palkia doesn't ever help.
abaan (01:12:06):
run it
Liam (01:12:06):
Yeah, ugh,
abaan (01:12:07):
we gotta play Ian Robb, I
don't know how, and then we get
to play Henry in the finals infront of everyone, the, the
classic three man
Brent (01:12:14):
This is some butterfly
effect action, right?
abaan (01:12:17):
Yes.
Oh, we were close.
Brent (01:12:20):
Just like, the slightest
bit of difference, and then you
guys are both in the finals,closing it out.
Liam (01:12:24):
Like,
Brent (01:12:25):
And that's all there is.
Liam (01:12:26):
yeah, like, I don't know,
he,
Brent (01:12:28):
If you did French fries
for lunch.
Liam (01:12:30):
like, like, I think he
thinks he just beats like
everything, so like, like, youknow.
Messing with the,
abaan (01:12:35):
anything else?
Yeah.
Why are you
Liam (01:12:36):
yeah, like, yeah,
Brent (01:12:39):
I was watching an Archer
episode on Netflix the other
day, and Archer was like, Yeah,it just seems like everything's
so much easier than I thought itwould be.
That's Henry, just like,absolute confidence that things
are gonna work out.
abaan (01:12:53):
And he is totally it
makes sense, bro.
It makes sense.
Brent (01:12:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's Aura
for you.
Liam (01:12:57):
yeah, I don't know, and
then I it
abaan (01:12:59):
That's hella funny.
That's Aura.
Liam (01:13:03):
like, it like makes sense,
but I, I don't know, there's
like something that like alwaysmanages to go wrong whenever I
like try it, like, like, damn,bro, like, this like Pidgey is
like under fire, like instantly,bro, and like, like, yeah.
My punish is like, 7 differentcards, bro.
I have to have like a 7 cardcombo here.
punish the aggression when Icould just be like, Black CC.
(01:13:24):
Terrible Prime Catcher, bro.
Like,
abaan (01:13:27):
We'll be going for like
an
Brent (01:13:28):
Alright guys, we could
spend more time talking about
the list, but I think we gottacall it.
It sounds like LeagueChallenges, or League Cups this
weekend?
Liam (01:13:36):
yeah, I'm playing the
playing a more aggro Pidgetless.
I'm playing the Chi Yu for sure,bro.
abaan (01:13:41):
I'm just playing the the
exact
Liam (01:13:43):
Tord is, Tord is a demon,
bro.
He's a demon.
Like, he's, he understands thegame at the highest level.
It's, it's incredible.
Incredible.
abaan (01:13:52):
goodness, man.
All right, all right.
Mike (01:13:54):
the John Palserer outro.