Playing a lot of Pokemon in preparation for Baltimore

Episode Transcript

Brent (00:05):
So, so, what, I, I, I have to be honest, apparently I
don't follow enough, uh, peopleon Twitter.
Who, what is this Kill or KillDLC?
Oh, this is just, uh, this isjust some random, like, so, our
friend Henry, who is a superladder grinder, he made a
Twitter thread that said, like,everyone drop your, uh, your
TTCG Live, uh, username, and,you know.
I, I, I didn't participate inthat.

(00:26):
I think it's, I don't know, Idon't want people knowing who I
am.
Yeah, same, bro.
But Exactly.
We, before he even made thatthread, me and Liam and like,
Henry were talking about like,this KillerKelios guy, cause
like, we all beat him all thetime, but he was like, 3500 ELO
or something, and we were justlike, how is this possible?
Like, how'd he even get there?
And then we found out, like, helike, tweeted on Henry's thread,

(00:48):
and he found out some like,random BGC player.
I don't know.
He seemed like a nice guy, justlike, it's not very, I didn't
think he was like, that goodwhen I played him.
No, I mean, like.
I respect this guy as an EVmaxer, bro.
Like, this guy is like,basically insta scooping.
As soon as it doesn't look good,we're out of here, bro.

(01:10):
We are on to the next one.
Is he playing a gimmick deckwhere it's like, 100 of those?
Guardi.
He's playing Guardi, bro.
I mean, how do you know ifyou're gonna win if you don't
sit there for 40 minutes?
Isn't that the whole point ofGuardi?
I flipped over Snorlax and heflipped over Manaphy.
We're gone, bro.
Like, we're gone.
Nobody even drew a card, bro.
I think he's had enough of usthough, like Liam, he's played

(01:32):
you and I like quite a fewtimes, like basically just like
our cast.
Yeah, no, he played me the fulltime.
He made me prove it the firsttime, now every time we queue,
bro, as soon as I hit the Rotom,he's out.
Dude, I think, I don't know, Ilike wanted to like, you
inspired me, your tweet inspiredme to play louder today and then
it was on maintenance all day.

(01:53):
Like, lost all my drive.
All the drive I got from like,that tweet, gone instantly.
I'll stay at my 2100 ELO.
Just, chilling and pissed low.
Dude, I was like, sodisappointed.
Like, that tweet actually didlike, so well compared to all my
other tweets.
And I'm like, bro, this is like,this is like the worst tweet
I've dropped in like, two monthsor something, bro.
Like, yeah.

(02:13):
Genuinely, Liam, you know it'sbad that you haven't cached
anything in a while.
That you're like, not tweetingabout like, ladder points, bro.
Like, my minimum is like, I haveto top cut the tweet.
You're like, you're tweetingabout just like, I'm DJing this
game for like a week.
Yeah, no, I know, exactly bro,like, I am.
No, no, but like, I'm like, sodisappointed because like, my

(02:35):
tweet right before this, thecards speak to those who listen.
Banger, bro.
Yes, yes, I like that one.
I love that one, actually.
Yeah, exactly, dude.
I like, that one, that one wasbanging, bro.
And like.
You know, all these, like, goodplayers, they're, like, liking
it up, cause they all knowwhat's up.
And then Jake Gearheart in thecomments, What do you mean, bro?

(02:56):
I don't hear the cards at all!You must be tripping! Like You
know, it's Everybody who knowsknows, bro.
I feel like that proves thecorrectness of the statement.
Exactly.
Everybody who knows knows.
That's what Leo was getting at,too.
You know the thing is You know,you know.
I see all those tweets about,like, how, like, how you

(03:16):
interpret, like, what's going onin your head and stuff.
I think there's stuff going on,but like, I have to play a game
of Pokemon to like, be able toanswer that question.
Like, I don't know howeveryone's like, able to just be
like, they're like, I swearpeople are just making stuff up.
Like, I saw someone saying like,they have like, voices and
they're like, also have like,TCG Live like, in their mind
with like, highlights and stuff.
I was like, dude, there's no wayall this is happening when
you're playing.
Like, what is going on?

(03:39):
Exactly, like, that's how I cantell, like, these people are not
locked in, bro.
Like, when you're, when you're,when you're in flow state,
you're not thinking, bro.
Like, everything just comesnaturally.
Like, this was actually like, areally large focus for me, where
I just finished reading Blink,and, like, one of the ideas
there was like, people do worsewhen they consciously think
about, like, their decisions,right?
When you like, make somebodyfill out a questionnaire, like,

(04:01):
explaining their reasoning,they, their decisions obviously
change, and, and they actuallychange for the worst.
Like, or they change for theworst, as opposed to when they
just, like, follow their gut andmake the, like, they don't have
to explain themselves, they'rejust like, I feel this, right?
Send it.
And like, that's like the stateyou have to be in when you're
playing Pokemon, you know?
How do you, uh, how do youreconcile, like, chess players,

(04:22):
like, after their games, they'resitting there, and they're just,
like, staring at the sky, like,going, like, Well, if you made
this move, there's, like, 20,there's, like, this is a 20 move
variation that I would havepunished you, like, No, yeah,
yeah, for sure, like, um, No,but, like, I've actually, like,
listened to, like, chesspodcasts, right?
And, like, you would, like,literally think that chess is,
like, the example game of, like,you have to calculate everything
out, because, like, this is,like, the determined game, but,

(04:44):
like, You listen to like Magnus,like Magnus talks about this on
podcast, he's like, you know, Ikind of verify the moves that I
make, but like 90 percent ofmoves, it, my first, my first
instinct is the one I send, andlike, because they're, they
actually think about like thegame like the same way that we
do, like, even though our gameis like, you can't see the
ending, you can't see the endingin chess either until like the

(05:06):
very, very end, right, andthat's like when both players
just like scoop it up, you'rekind of just like, you're
wandering through the forest,just like us.
Right, like, you can't see theend, you're just kind of just,
boom.
I think, I think he'soversimplifying it.
He's not like, in Pokemon youreally do just like, you feel,
you do stuff that you feelright, but I'm sure that he's
thinking harder than we are.
I promise you, like, we havelike 15 seconds for action,

(05:28):
roughly, he has like, 10minutes, he's not just like,
He's doing a little bit morecalculation, and, I mean, like,
like, I've played a lot ofchess, like, it is, you know,
It's not uncommon to calculate,like, 20 moves out for, like,
multiple lines, and, like,these, like, really deep things,
right?
But it's, um, like, ultimately,you are still just, like, your
gut evaluating positions.

(05:49):
Like, yeah, yeah.
Like, that, those, like,calculations stuff, it's like a,
it's like an assurity thing.
You, like, you feel like, like,I feel like there's one player,
Yon, Nyam Napalmichi orwhatever.
He, like, he doesn't evenpretend to think, you know,
like, and I can respect that.
I feel like a lot of the topplayers, like, yeah, like.
I'm sure they're calculatingstuff, but at some point they
just go with, like, what theyknow.
No, yeah, uh, I mean He justdoesn't pretend, he just riffs

(06:10):
it.
You can actually feel it, too,when you're making moves, like,
in Pokemon as well, right?
Which is, like, you kind of havethis, like, gut instinct when
you're choosing between twomoves, and you, like, calculate
it out, and, like, thecalculation tells you to go one
way, and your gut kind of tellsyou to go the other, right?
Like, you, like, calculate itout, and you're like, I think
this one's actually, like, 51%,the other one's 49 percent to
win, or something like that,right?
And, like, you're like, You'restill ultimately, like, making a

(06:33):
gut read, but you're like, Ithink this is better, and, like,
it turns out when you're inthose spots, like, your decision
making usually is worse onceyou're, like, you're leaning on
this.
Pokemon, there's sometimes spotswhere you don't need to see
anything, you just know that,like, this is the technique to
draw the most cards, or, like,thin the hardest, or something
like that, like, you don't evenknow, like, exactly what you're
gonna do next, you can just,like, look at your hand and,

(06:53):
like, I spot this with Goldangothe most, but it's, like, you
just know certain actions.
Happen and like there's nodownside to doing them.
And you just like, you just riplike good actions in a row.
And then like at some point youlike get like to a certain like
threshold of like, oh, okay,like I, I have the knockout now.
Or like, you have to slow down.
You're like, okay, I only havelike two draws left.
Now I actually have to likefigure something out.

(07:14):
Like yeah, maybe I What's plan Bbro?
We gotta set them up.
D Yeah, exactly.
All right.
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(07:35):
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You already guys already knowLiam.
You already know a bond.
You guys sense the aura in theroom.
I'm Brent.
We are all coming together in amatter of like 72 hours to
conquer Baltimore regionals.

(07:56):
Liam has been conquering thePTCGL iverse.
Um, guys, what should, whatshould people be thinking as
they get ready for Baltimore?
Dude, I see everybody else inthe tank and I'm like, I'm so
grateful for this Snorlax Pidgetdeck, bro.
Everybody else is like You know,like, this deck feels bad,
right?

(08:16):
Like, kind of the same way wewere before Worlds, like,
everything is, like, not great.
And, like, you know, uh, KieranFarry, he's, uh, he's talking to
the chat, he's like, Nothingseems that good, but, like, this
deck is, like, fine.
So I think I'm just gonna, I'mjust gonna send it.
Like, I don't have to worryabout fine, bro.
And, like, I also, I also don'thave to worry about the
metagaming at all.
Like, I've seen some, like,interesting tweets, which is,

(08:36):
like, you know, obviously, like,um, People are like, you know,
these matchups are good, thesematchups are bad, like, so I
kind of want to lead in thisway, or this way, or, you know,
that way.
And like, I'm like, dude, itdoesn't even matter where they
lead, I'm farming here.
You're done.
Like, I have everything.
I wonder, like, how many peoplethough, like, Very nice
position.

(08:57):
There's like, there's just noway for people to have good
lists against Starlocks, becauseAll of the Starlox lists are
just terrible right now, right?
Like, they think like the onepack rant or whatever like auto
wins it.
And I think like the overallcommunity sentiment is that
Starlox is like not gonna be athing.
Like, I think there's no waylike, you know, Michael
Davidson, he was running likeDraugr, Draugr with a Turo in it
and stuff like that.
I think that's completely gone.

(09:17):
None, we don't have to worryabout any of that, like, and I
think uh, I think it's like fineto leak this.
Like, the only reason this deckis like lit, I think, or like
one of the main reasons, bro,Seeker Box is like the best card
in the format.
Like, any deck you're playingright now, like, literally take
out your A Spec and try SeekerBox.
Try it.
Try it.
It's so good.
Like, you, you could, 2 2 2deck, it doesn't matter, bro.

(09:39):
Seeker Box over Prime Kitcher.
Seeker Box over literally everyA Spec in the format, except
maybe like Neo Upper andDragapult.
Like, it's that good.
It is like, if you're playing anA Spec for like, good general
value, because you like, youwant to draw it and have your A
Spec do something in every gameyou play, like, That's the card.
Like, I mean, it's obviously alittle bit hyperbole, but like,

(10:00):
try it, you know?
It's like, secret box, bro.
Like, no, I, I, I genuinely,I'm, I'm leaning, like, so hard
on this guy right now.
Like, it's, I can see my miraideon trying it.
Like, for example, like, that'slike, the kind of deck where I'm
like, maybe.
Like, this card is actually justlike, it's so, so good.
It's like, the, it's like PrimeCatcher before the, like, second

(10:20):
wave of specs came out.
It is just.
By far and away, like, the bestA Spec in my opinion right now.
I think it's um, like, yeah,it's literally leads to like a
perfect turn, no matter whatsituation you're in, every
single time you draw it.
Like, you know the best part is,I could, you could tell someone,
like, I think Secret Box is likeby far the best A Spec in

(10:42):
Guardian for example.
And like, people are so lost inthe trees of like whatever
they've been doing, like, Theymust play their Aroma or their
Resistance or whatever, like itdoesn't matter, it doesn't
matter, they're not listening,they're not even gonna try it,
they're not even gonna put onegame in, like, yes, it's crazy,
like, I don't know, I thinkthat's one thing I respect about

(11:03):
it, and they're gonna listen tothis too, the direct callout,
they still won't put the gamein, it's crazy work, yeah,
exactly, that's why I feelcomfortable leaking like
whatever on like podcasts likethis, where it's like, I'm sure
there's, like, a guy out therewho's, like, realized, like, oh,
like, good players are, like,leaking their, their list
beforehand, like, I wonder whyit's okay, like, I'm just gonna
take whatever they say and,like, try to, like, implement it

(11:23):
myself, but that person is sofar and in between, like, the,
like, hundreds of people wholisten to this and they're just
like, ah, whatever, these guysdon't know what they're talking
about, my unfair stamp guardilist is lit.
Yes.
And it's keyracket.
Yes.
Like, you just gotta tell him,secret box is computer search
plus three other cards.
Literally.
Dude, it's like, I grab the twocards I want when I'm playing

(11:46):
the deck, like I grab thesupporter and the item I need,
and I'm like, Huh, I guess I'llgrab an Artisan, and like,
what's, I'll grab like, the besttool remaining, why not, like,
Like, this is so crazy.
I, dude, like, optimalsupporter, optimal item for the
turn, like, you can just makeanything you want happen.
And like, you should be playing,your deck should be built
somewhat for the Secret Box,like, you should be playing

(12:07):
like, A stadium, and yourstadium should have some impact.
You should be playing a tool,and it should have some impact,
and like, if you're grabbing,like, best supporter in your
deck, best item in your deck,you know, and a tool that has
some impact, and a stadium thathas some impact, like, you're
getting so much, like, justimmediately, like, you
immediately play, like, fourcards that, like, change the
board state, like, positively.
Like, this is just insane.

(12:29):
It's insane! And not to mention,like, like, the decks that we, I
love it in, it's like, those,like, those supporters that are
so hard to find, like, for me,like, the reason it's so good in
Pigeon is, like, Uh, I think Istruggle, like, we're all human
beings, right, and I struggleto, like, see what I'm gonna
need, like, three turns out,because you don't know, like,
what's gonna happen, like, youhave no clue, like, your

(12:50):
opponent could bust outwhatever, and, like, you don't
know when they're gonna decideto, like, up the ante on you, so
just, like, Pidgeotting forSeeker Box is, like, your, like,
safety net, like, it's like, uh,Yes, dude.
Like, if you're in that darkforest, it's your torch.
Exactly.
Like, it's, it's such goodinsurance, like, You grab the
secret box and you know that ifyou don't get disrupted, you're

(13:10):
getting perfect turns until youget disrupted basically, right?
Like, yeah, exactly.
It, it cannot be a bad grab,right?
Or like, the only way it's evera bad grab is if you want to
leave your deck like, flush withhits, but like, you know, you
just live with that.
And like, the other thing too islike, the secret box is also
simultaneously like, I, I, Italked about this before, but
like, it's also like, not agreat hit off my own nose, like,

(13:33):
occasionally, because like, youknow, your hand just got
disrupted and like, You know, ifyou've already taken a few
prizes, like, yeah, exactly.
So, like, you're able to, like,thin, like, a bad draw off Iona
while making your hand perfect?
That's, like, that's somethingthat, like, should be illegal,
you know?
Like, and yet, Secret Box, makeit happen, you know?
I think, uh, but, like, I don'twant to get too bogged down

(13:56):
into, like, the Pidget Talk,cause, like, I feel like that's,
like, It's kind of our shtick,you know?
Like, everyone knows that's whatwe're playing right now.
Yeah, no, for sure.
And that's like, only with like,Pidget decks that are like,
taking the game very slow.
Right?
Like, that are not like, moreaggressive.
Right?
Yeah.
So, that's like a pretty rareuse case.
For sure.
But, yeah.
Secret box.
So, so what do you guys think,uh, the meta is gonna be?
Like, what, what's the deck thatyou expect to be the most played

(14:18):
deck?
Gotta be Drago, yeah?
Gotta be Drago, right?
You want to say page on that,Liam?
Yeah, I think so.
I like, it's somewhat weird.
I like it.
I don't, I don't know very manypeople that are like, actually
very excited to play Drago.
I haven't seen somebody onTwitter, like, ah, yes, Drago,
ah, the beat stick.

(14:39):
Yeah, I was gonna ask, so whatare the Drago guys gonna do
differently at this tournamentthat they didn't do at Worlds?
That they're gonna be like, nowit's gonna work.
I mean, I don't know, like, Iwould say it worked at Worlds.
I think this Damage Tower techis lit, though.
I think this Damage Tower techis like, insane for like,
destroying Ancient Box, it like,Has a lot of minimal utility in
all these other matchups, like,all the counterplay Muradin has
all centers around their braverycharm.

(15:00):
I think Raging Bull is likepretty similar, like, it's so
bravery charm centric, like, andthere's nothing they can do
about, like, the inevitablejamming tower, right?
And there's so much, um, there'sso much dig in Drago that, like,
you know that this jamming toweris coming down at some point,
and it's, like, gonna bebackbreaking when it does,
right?
Yes.
Drago, Drago decks able toEspecially on that V Star turn,

(15:25):
they make whatever they wanthappen.
Right?
Yeah, exactly.
And what's gonna be the numbertwo deck?
That's a good, that's a reallygood question.
I like, actually, I think wecould give an answer right now,
but like, the meta is like,actually like, very volatile
right now.
Like, I think, I think peopleare jumping between a lot of
different decks, like, on alarge scale right now.

(15:45):
Like, the answer that we giveright now, it could be like,
very different in like, twodays.
Um, and it's like, not like,there's no way for anyone to
predict it necessarily, becauselike, It's truly people are just
like playing stuff and then likethey just because they don't
have the sauce they're justalways like they get bogged down
by bad hands or like bogged downby like running to the bad
matchup too many times in a rowlike just like random factors

(16:07):
like throw people off theirdecks so much like I think
people are playing Ancient Boxuntil they like Actually end up
playing with a lot of games ofAncient Box and they're like I
have no like Agency like I thinkAncient Box was like I do not
want to play this deck bro.
It was peaking last week, right?
But I People haven't had enoughtime to like, play Ancient Box
and realize like, oh wow, thisdeck is bad.
Sucks.
Yeah, I agree.

(16:27):
Um, I mean like, if I had tothrow a number two out there, I
guess, um, cause that is what weare doing.
Um, I guess I'd say Is Zard.
Yeah, it has to be Zard.
But I don't know, it's like,it's hard to feel really good
about anything.
I feel like two things I'veheard is Zard and Ancient Box.

(16:50):
I think Asia Box shouldn't evenbe top 3, but like, it might
squeeze in there because there'sjust people who think the
matchup spread is too good.
It's like the, it reminds me somuch of like Greninja back in
the day, like way back in theday, where it's like, the spread
is so good, man, but like, youactually sit down and play
Greninja.
Oh, the difference is Greninjahad like a lot more upside, I

(17:10):
think, like, with the, the waythe damage spread, you had
ability lock.
Yeah, like, it was a much moredynamic deck once you got going,
as opposed to like You're justbeating them and it's like you
just hit face.
Your deck like finally works.
It's a miracle.
You just hit face.
See, my reaction was gonna belike, it's this deck that when
you watch these cheaters playit, you're like, you just hit

(17:30):
everything every time.
I think, I will say, I think youcan cheat with Ancient Box,
like, The thing is, like, you'dhave to cheat so many turns
consecutively.
Like, at least with Greninja,like, if you, like, managed to,
like, like, miracle your wayinto the, in the GOATS board
state, you just, like, end thegame.
Like, the game was over withinthree turns, and, like, your
board is super robust, they haveno abilities, like, you're

(17:52):
winning.
But, like, with Ancient Box,like, if you cheated, and then
they Iono you, what, are yougonna cheat again?
And then, like, what happensafter the next Iono?
Like, like, the deck just fallsapart over and over and over
again.
So you haven't stopped Greninjaplayers.
They were like, yes, the answeris yes.
Always yes.
I will cheat again.
Um, yeah, like, I actuallythink, I will say, I think

(18:12):
Ancient Box is like a prettygood deck if you've got a
guaranteed turn one Sadas hitevery game.
Yeah, when you have the energyin the bank, it does feel good.
It's like when you're using thebackpack guy, that's when
everything's falling apart.
Yes, exactly, the backpack guy,yes.
Like, every time they play turnone explorers, I think the game
is just over.
Like, it doesn't even matterwhat deck I'm playing.

(18:33):
Unless, because I don't play thebeat sticks, like, game's just
over, bro.
Like, damn, bro, like, you'renot pacing well enough anymore,
bro.
It's so weird to think aboutthis metagame evolution, but has
AncientBox successfully drivenout the beat sticks, or are we
still going to see those in bignumbers?
Um It's so hard to say, like, Iknow it's a hard question.

(18:56):
No, I wouldn't say like,AncientBox is, like, fraudulent
enough that if you're, like, ifyou're a beat stick controller,
like, you can call it a Andyeah, like, exactly, bro, like,
they hit the backpack guy, theyget one moon down, you go like,
bundle, take your moon again,oof.
And now, like, now you'reactually in an okay spot, right?
Like, you can make somethinghappen.

(19:17):
And like, not to mention, like,Ancient Box has like, they CCs,
right?
But like, I don't know, man, inthe stretch, it's hard for them
to find guts.
Like, you, uh, you like, theytwo shot something, they try to
two shot something, you're like,Switch cart, pull something else
up, charm the guy you justswitch carted, then they don't
even have two shot like rightthen like it's such it's like a
just a hassle like things arealways just going wrong for them

(19:38):
the whole game things are justgoing wrong yeah i don't know i
think i think the matchup intob6 is like good but like it's
it's hard matchup it's never gotbetter right it's still like
super sus that doesn't rely oneverything i think like bizarre
it's i i think people are rightand that the zard matchup is
like good Kind of close in that,like, Ancient Box is, is good

(20:04):
against things that can't take,like, multiprize turns.
Like, once they start spreading,bro, you are cooked.
Like, pack it up, bro.
That's, like, the worst thing anAncient Box player could ever
see, the bench damage.
And Zard doesn't really do that.
So, like, it's pretty good inthat sense, but it has a lot of
HP.
So, like, you managed to avoidbenching the Rotom, though, and
then you got a Dusknoir lineout, and the Greninja, like,

(20:25):
ever came down.
You're already like, like a 9 10favor to win.
Those are like, two bigconditionals, but like, if I, if
you get those, if you get thoseoff, like, you're chillin Yeah,
I, like, I agree.
I think, and your Charizard'sreally big.
Like, it's, it's a solid matchupfor, for Zard.
Like, I definitely want to bethe Zard player, but I don't
think it's like, it's not like,every time the Pidget, or like,

(20:50):
they set up and they hit like aturn 2 Zard, you just instantly
lose the game with Ancient.
Like, I, I think there are like,some winning lines.
Um, if, yeah, like, the Rotomcomes down or something like
that, like, you know, the Zardplayer has to make some
concession somewhere in itssetup, and, like, you hit, like,
crazy with Ancient Box, like,you just hit every single turn,
everything you need, but I don'tthink it matters what the
Ancient Box player does, if theRotom doesn't come down, I don't

(21:11):
think they can win.
I just don't think they can getto the 280 fast enough, right,
and then, like, they're justkind of two Shunning Zards, you
get to road, like, but, but theRotom comes down in such a high
percentage of games, I feel likethat, that is, like, it's enough
to say, like, you have chances.
Yeah, I, like, I, I, I'd agreewith that.
I think, yeah, if there's,there's no Rotom down and, like,
the Zard is playing Turo andthey get, like, a turn two Zard

(21:32):
hit, you're probably, yeah,you're probably losing, right?
But the real question is, like,did Zard players, like, figure
out something post Worlds intoDrago?
Because, like, I came out ofWorlds thinking if I could get
my Zard deck to beat Drago, I'mplaying Zard for Baltimore 100%,
and I mean, those sessions withyou did not go well, and I
didn't think Acevedo had a greatanswer, I didn't think Tord had

(21:53):
a great answer, I think Like,everyone was like, at best,
Drago, and I think that was lowkey, just like, co it felt like
it was worse, like, into thebest Drago list, and like, good
play.
Yeah, I, I agree, I don't know,I, I haven't felt great about
Zarya, like, I feel like it'sum, it feels like very fragile,
uh, I don't really know why, butlike, yeah, there's like,

(22:15):
there's so much pressure on you,like.
It feels like some optimal startis, like, so punishing, you
know?
The old Tordzard that we, like,we used to play a lot with Abib
and everything, and Fib, Cleffa,Rodom, there was no pressure on
you to do anything.
You just kind of, like, you justtry to get your turn one off,
and your deck had such a thickline of everything.
Like, your deck just worked atsuch a high frequency, and now,

(22:37):
like, everything has been, like,cut to, like, the bare bones, so
you can fit Thorin, you're,like, skimming on fires, like,
Half the time you have to pulloff some like crazy wombo combo
play and it feels like you'replaying some other like, you're
playing a beat stick deck indisguise.
Yeah dude, it's also, it'sbecause this, it's because 180
hitting face is like no longeracceptable.
It's like losing on the spot inlike so many matchups.

(22:59):
You have to like, you have to,you have to take two prizes in
your first attack every singletime, right?
You do the dango strat, you haveto hide, hide behind one prizes
and then like uh, you do the uh,what's the word?
Like rubber banding, you know?
Like.
They go up one prize, you bumpVan Hatt in them.
Take two.
And then you never let it go.
That's your only strat.
Or, or you have to pull offDusknoir shenanigans, like.

(23:20):
Yeah, exactly, right?
Those are your only two lines.
Exactly.
Yo, who hopped on?
Hello.
Yo, what up?
How are you guys?
Doing good, Shenoy?
You sound like you're on, like,tape delay.
Are you just slow to answer myquestions?
Are you having mic problems?
This is not building taverns,guys.

(23:42):
Guys, Cam's kind of here.
Yes, the tenant is 133%.
You know what, I think we'regoing to call it 115 percent
right now, because like, Cam allthe way here.
But anyways, we were talkingabout Zard, right?
I will say though, even thoughit feels like your deck is so
skimpy on all the lines youneed, like, It's not crazy to

(24:04):
hit like this Dusclops, Zard.
No, yeah, I think, I think it'sfine.
It's like, it's like a finedeck, but it doesn't stick out
to me as like, I don't feel likeI like, I just beat everything
with it.
It's like, yeah, it's notOrlando Zard by any means,
right?
It's just like, yeah, I think, Ithink that's where most decks
are.
Like, it's kind of like whereit's like, every, everything is
fine.

(24:24):
Like, you, you have some goodmatchups, you have some bad
matchups, but like, you know,everything's pretty close.
Like, everything's fine.
But, Nothing, nothing likesticks out as great, right?
I'm super curious, like, I feellike we are a little, like, out
of touch with, like, whateveryone else is thinking,
because of, like, how much we'vebeen spamming, like, this Pidget
deck, like, I don't, I don'tknow in this, like, all these,

(24:47):
like, there's all these setdecks, I don't know, other than
Drago, what stands out.
To me, like, they literally allare, like, the exact same tier,
they all do the exact same,like, level of, like, they all
have, like, the exact samespread, like, nothing sticks out
to me at all.
Yeah, like I agree, in thatlike, yeah, everything goes in
the midi tier, right?

(25:07):
Everything is mid.
Um, but, this is exactly what Iwas talking about earlier, bro.
I'd only have to be concernedabout that if I felt like I was
making a meta call with Pidget.
I'm not, bro.
I take the entire meta.
It doesn't even matter which wayit goes.
Like, I take the whole thing.
You just have to, we have to bein touch with like, exactly what
these lists look like.
Yeah, I agree.

(25:28):
I think I get really greedy,like, into Moriartyn, for
example.
Like, one of my favorite playsis after the second switch card
is used, I just, like, jam theSolax and don't touch anything.
Yep, yep, exactly.
I'm completely fine with that,though.
I, yeah, like, I'm in touch withthat.
They're always playing two cardin Bolt and Moriartyn, because,
like, the games are so fast atthis point, like, third card
just makes, like, no sense ineither of these decks, you know?

(25:49):
Like, I think I was, like, athird card enjoyer, like, more
than most people for a while,because I, um I like like
finding it on turn one and stuffbut like at this point the decks
have to be like, um Like thegames are so fast and you just
like see so much of your deckand you're just built for this
like full turbo already Youdon't need more than like two

(26:11):
card really, you know Yeah, Idon't mean to jinx your heart up
But like my my thing is like i'mso excited for briar but like
all these like matchups justfeel like I feel like i'm living
in the past while i'm just likein the present right now Like
you know what I mean?
Like i'm just like I can't stopthinking I keep thinking about
briar like ooh Briar in thisspot, Briar in that spot, crazy
work, but it's like Briar'slike, take an extra prize if you

(26:34):
swing with a Terra into, uh,into anything.
Into anything?
Okay.
But you can only, the key thingis you can only play it on two,
but that doesn't mean you haveto be at two when you're
swinging.
Like, you can play it and thenpop Dusknoir, or like, not you
being on two, sorry, they haveto be on two.
But you can, if they're onthree, you can pop Dusknoir and
play Briar, or if they're ontwo, you can like Dusknoir

(26:55):
anyways and like Briar, like.
you can get there from like sofar away i feel like yeah yeah
it's gonna go lit i can't i'm soexcited so guys on this train as
well this pitch at ex train nobro he like dude refuses i know
what ivan was talking about browe gave him several months so we

(27:16):
told him he's come to theconclusion quad thorns is the
only way we we told him we weregiving him like several months
notice or i mean i guess this islike a month's notice or
something but like several weeksnotice And we're like, dude,
like, you seriously have to lockin him right now, and like, you
know you have to lock in himright now, and like, start
winning this deck so you can'ttell us, like, one week out,
like, I don't know the matchups,bro, I can't do this, like, and

(27:39):
now.
How do you know what I'mplaying?
Why does, I'm not playing some,your, uh, this super fragile
Pidgeotty X deck.
Super fragile.
Super fragile.
Super fragile.
Crazy.
Oh my lord.
Dude, everything else in theformat feels fragile, bro, like,
You don't hit that god turn one,you're just instantly rolling
over.
It's a fidget deck bro, all Ineed is a Rotom.

(28:01):
All I need is a Rotom.
You know, you played like Lukeand like Cameron Kawasaki on the
deck, like, I mean, it's gonnafeel a little more fragile and
like, if you don't have delicatehands, you know.
It's like, I'm not too, I thinkit's like not, it's not fair to
call the deck fragile.
I think the deck is like very,very resilient to a lot of
spots.
Like I, I actually, I think it'slike one of the, I'm not gonna

(28:22):
say it's like the least fragiledeck, but like the fact it's
like, Even when you kill thePidgeot, you don't just win,
like, you have to take the nextfour prizes, and like, that,
that turns out to be, like,very, very difficult.
Yeah, it do.
That's the best part about it,like, having a centralized
strategy outside of the Pidgeotis, like, the best way to
protect the Pidgeot.
Um, at least in this format,because they can just kill

(28:43):
whatever they want, like, anyturn, or like, every deck has
one turn where they get to dowhatever they want, like, You
can't stop them, right?
And like, if your deck dependstoo much on the Pidgeot, they
can invest that turn in killingthe Pidgeot, and they can always
make it happen, no matter what.
And like, everyone else'sanswer, I think, is like, it
makes, it's like, logical sense,where they try to like, go the
next step further, they try tomake their Pidgeot as invisible

(29:03):
as possible with a cape, orbrace, or whatever.
Yeah, exactly.
I think trying to win this waris terrible.
Like, trying to win this war oflike, you have like, insane
options to kill my Pidgeot, andnow I'm gonna use like, insane
defensive tools, and we're gonnalike, We're just gonna keep
like, yeah, we're gonna go bandfor band here, right?
Yeah, it's terrible, it's aterrible plan, because they end
up having like, more bands,like, the most of the time.
Yeah, yeah, and like, even ifyou, even if you have more,

(29:27):
like, it requires that youbasically access all your stuff
every game, like, you have tofind like, this like, early
Pidget, early Cape, earlyGenesect, before they hit all
their stuff, as opposed to justlike, Snowax, and then I'm gonna
drop my Pidgey.
And if you go after this thing,it's like, completely illegal,
you know?
Like To do that, and like, evenwith full knowledge, I like,

(29:47):
have like a brain aneurysm,like, trying to play against it,
like Yeah, no, like, it's, it'sso, it's so hard, because like,
there's so many threats, youknow?
Like Deck is lit.
So, so I think Waterpawn, too?
Oh, sorry, Cam.
Cam, are you on a deck we cantalk about, or is it a secret
deck?
Let me just find Greg now.
It's not a secret at all, youcan literally look up Limitless.

(30:09):
com slash Chinoy or whatever, Idon't know how you get to the
Limitless page, but like, thepoint is you can just go to his
Limitless page and see likewithin two cards of what he's
playing.
There you go.
So, um, It's debate night forpeople who are wondering what's
going on in the podcast, andthat means I have like a hard
stop in like 15 minutes, becauseI gotta go get ready, I'm gonna

(30:30):
participate in civic discourse,and watch all that, but before I
go You guys should know thatwhile Walker Halliburton is
registered for Baltimore andwill be competing at Baltimore,
I don't think he's played onegame.
Liam, is there any evidence tothe contrary in that regard?
No, I don't know.
So what deck would you tellWalker to play if he's Camp

(30:52):
Chenoa and he doesn't know thematchups, except he doesn't know
the matchups of any deck?
Um, probably just That would be,that was my exact advice as
well.
You should just play Maridon.
Sweet.
And you guys are bringing aMaridon deck, right?
We can make something happen.
I can bring one.
I'll bring one for Walker.
We can go another 250 bet, seewho goes better.

(31:14):
Yes, yes, Shenoy.
Wait, he's gonna make it 250.
There was something, there wassomething that happened the
other day.
What, what, oh, I think we weretalking about fantasy football
or something like that.
And he was like, oh yeah, Ican't be doing that anymore, I
have to give Cam all my money.
Damn, Cameron, do you feel goodtaking money from a teenager?
An old man, stealing from kids.
Hey, that's what happens, thesekids think they're so good.

(31:37):
Can't even get into day two.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
Cam's just up in the prize.
Should I taking candy from ababy, bro?
Yes.
Thought this was the, the bestPokemon player in the world.
Walk by aur.
That's right.
Should I tell, I think actually,I think the official title is
the Self-proclaimed Best Pokemonplayer in the world.

(31:57):
Self-proclaimed.
That's that is, he's so good.
He doesn't need to play a singlegame.
I can respect that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's, I mean.
When, when the skill gap is thiswide, you don't get a test.
Yeah, I, that was one thing thatI, I like realized when I made
my tweet.
I don't think, I realized Ilike, people are not fully aware

(32:20):
that I like, I spend more timeplaying Pokemon than that.
Like, I don't think I've liketalked about it that much on
like my Twitter, like on thispodcast.
But like, I do.
I do.
I guess everybody's unnoticed.
That crazy drop, dude.
I thought, I really wasn't surewhere you were going with that,
that's crazy.
Like, people are unnoticed.

(32:40):
You know what's funny?
I mean, if you guys remember, hewent on the, like, like, we
gotta go LeBron James radiosilent thing before Worlds, and
I kept telling him, I was like,the difference between you and
LeBron is, every two days,LeBron's in front of, like, 60
million people showing that he'sbeen putting in the time while
he's been off social media,you're just off social media.
Yeah.

(33:02):
People just forget about youwhile you're off social media
for two months.
And that is why he was notdrafted in nearly as many
World's Drafts as he should havebeen, so he could completely He
can't really go media silent,and then like, what is it, like,
1 2 drop a World, or 1 3 drop aWorld.
I was gonna say, he went mediasilent, but he also went silent
at the tournament.
Like, you need No, actually, Ifeel the same way about that,

(33:29):
Liam.
Like, uh, people were coming upto me after LA and they were
like, I don't know.
It was like, people didn't evenlike, think I was like, good at
the game until like, I had agood result, you know?
And it was like, you know, I'vebeen, I was like, I thought,
like, I don't think real resultsactually, like, mattered that
much.
Like, I think I was just ascracked as I was before I
randomly spiked a top eight as Iam like, I am now.

(33:51):
Like, it doesn't really matter.
Like, I think that, I mean,that's true, but.
At the same time, results areeverything.
Um, I don't know.
Okay, what I'm getting at islike, yes, like, you can't be,
like, that good if you have nogood results, but, like, people
are acting like after, like,like, the day after, like, the
results change you, right?

(34:12):
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Yeah, yeah, no, for sure.
The, uh, the player makes theresult, but at the same time,
you know, you don't know theplayer until the result, right?
It's like, it's a weird, it'sjust a weird, like, dynamic
where it's like, I don't know.
I, I feel like I don't wannalike sit here and just tell
everyone, like, dude, I playthis game all the time.
Like, I'm so good.
But like, you know, just wait.
You know?

(34:32):
But you like, I don't know, itfeels weird.
I play this game all the time.
You don't wanna, like, you don'twant people like bums like
telling you like, oh, you're sobad.
Like, you know, look at me.
You, you gotta like, I don'tknow.
I just need these good resultssoon.
Like, the only way to likeactually like shut people up is
just get results.
I gotta Yeah, for sure.
Step it up.
But, but yeah, bro.

(34:52):
Uh, uh, Liam, has there beenperformance optimization in
preparation for this tournament?
Um, I don't know.
I got my sleep schedule right.
Like, yeah.
Although, although going WestCoast to East Coast is gonna be
rough, man.
Nobody likes West Coast to EastCoast, guys.
Yeah, I know, but I love thatWest Coast to East Coast.

(35:12):
I feel like I can't sleep beforetournaments normally.
And then, like, somehow I makeit happen on the East Coast.
I have no clue.
It's not like an actual thing,but like East Coast tournaments
for me just like, just, theyjust feel right.
I sleep like, I sleep just theright amount.
So I don't, it's like, it's afreak, it's like, it doesn't
make any sense.
But on the West Coast it's like,I, I stay up all night somehow,

(35:33):
and uh, it's cooked.
It's worse for me.
Yeah, that's because Iban hasn'thad our dog walking up and down
the hall like, all night,checking on everything.
I mean, I guess like, I'm in fora, in for a surprise at
Baltimore.
We'll see.
Let's see if he can still sleep.
Um, what else needs to bediscussed, guys?

(35:55):
What are the critical pathtopics of our day and age?
I guess, uh, you know, actually,what's, like, one deck that's,
like, not going to be on thegraphic that you think is going
to be the best?
Like, I think that's, like, agood, interesting prediction.
Like, uh, best of the rest deck.
First, the Snorlax Pidgeotthing.

(36:15):
Like, I genuinely think it wasbetter with the Pidgeot deck.
I'm about to win this one.
Sure, sure, sure, fine.
I was going to say, I was goingto answer that too, so like, I
was going to exclude that, I wasgoing to exclude that from this.
Have we defined what is going tobe on the first of the graph?
Or the final graph, the top six?
We haven't actually like,explicitly said it, but I guess
we can like, speed through that.
I guess it would be like, Drago,Zard, I think Bolt is going to

(36:38):
be somewhere on there, AncientBox is somewhere on there.
Meridon, and then, I don't know,what's six?
Like Lugia?
Is Lugia still six?
Yeah, Lugia.
Oh, Garde.
Yeah, I think Garde is like,past the rest.
No, I don't know.
I, I think Dude, that showsdisrespectful Iron Thorns as
like the best of the rest thatwe just won.
Yeah, obviously Quad Thorns isway, way ahead of Pidgeot and
Snorlax and everything elsebecause of Quad Thorns.

(36:59):
In play rate, maybe, maybe.
But I don't think it's gonna belike top six played.
I think people like, literally,view that result as like such a
I, I don't think anyone's like,actually like, respecting Thorns
going to the event.
Maybe it's like a sleeper play.
No, I mean, even if it didn't,even if you're Thinking it
shouldn't have won thetournament, it still got top 8,
it's still like a really goodlist, it's really annoying for a

(37:21):
lot of different decks to beat.
But haven't the meta likenaturally evolved to beating it?
Like at least that's what Ithought, like isn't, I don't
know, like isn't the Ancient Boxmatchup like very good for
Ancient Box and like Maraudon?
Like I always thought Maraudonit's like, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean it's one matchup,but I don't know, it just takes,
it's just annoying, I think alot of people are just assuming

(37:43):
that it's just.
Or be placed for a second showup?
Yeah, I mean I think Thrones ispretty bad, but I don't know.
Or like, I guess it's a, it'slike a fine act.
It's like fine, like everythingelse.
I just think that the beatsticks that have like come out
of this format, like I know hebeat the moon in the finals and
at PB out on top four, but Ithink those decks are like both

(38:05):
favored in the thorns and likehe just I think that moon deck
is probably unfavor.
But Maraenon with the Zathos,you are cucked, bro.
Like, that is like so terribleto play against.
You're just like, obviously youget them sometimes, because
you're Thorns.
But like, then you watch them,just like, Arven, Generator, oh,
I hit two! Take your Thorns.

(38:26):
Switch card.
Take your Thorns again.
Like, uh! And it's like, it'sreally like that easy, and you
really can't even like, like thehammer pressure is so fake, like
what are you gonna do?
You have to hit two hammers toeven have a chance of like,
pressuring them with hammers atall, right?
Like Yeah, exactly.
It doesn't do anything.
Like, you're just like prayingthat you kind of get them on
that opening hand, right?

(38:47):
Or like, If they get to attackor something, you're cut.
Wrap it up, right?
So, you just hope that doesn'thappen.
Liam is leaning away from themic when he talks to make sure
that we get more comments aboutaudio quality.
As if we are not the podcastthat gets the most comments
about audio quality in thehistory of podcasts.
He's literally spinning awayfrom the mic as he's speaking.
Oh, bro, that's why I connectedto my AirPods, bro.

(39:09):
No, dude, you're, you'redefinitely, it's definitely not
like that because it soundstotally different when you spin.
Yeah.
Oh, Jesus, bro.
Alright, I guess I have to stopspinning in my chair, bro.
Oh my lord.
This is still, man.
It's crazy, fams.
I think, uh, I guess Thorns islike a good shout for best of
the rest.
I was I was gonna say theMorning Moon deck is like, kind

(39:30):
of, like, my, my pick.
But it's like, what I was gonnaget at is like, I think it's
like, one of the best B6, mostplayed.
And, I don't know, it feels likeit kind of got, it also kind of
got disrespected.
Like, both decks from the WorldsFinals have just like, fallen
off immediately after Worldsended.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's justbecause they're not that cool,
you know?
Like, people see it, theyunderstand why it did well, and

(39:51):
then they just move on, youknow?
As opposed to like, seeing itand being like, oh, I want to
play that, you know?
Like I don't know, that tripwith Darkdeck is pretty good
too.
Yeah, no, no, I think, I thinkthey're both pretty good.
I think people are just like,they're not like, as fascinated
by it, you know?
And like, that like,fascination, that's what leads
to like, decks having like, aspiked play rate.
Right?

(40:11):
Like, something like, Ross'slike, Intel Zard, like, people
saw that like, oh, like, that'slike, that's like, really sick,
I want to play that.
You don't get the same senseabout like, Thorns or like, this
Turbo Moon deck.
Dude, I looked at that deck andI wish I could play it.
Like, I wish I could go back tothat format and play Ross's
Intel Zard for that world, orsomething like, or like, the
tournament after.
Like, it just looks sointeresting to me.
It's like, exactly my kind ofdeck.

(40:33):
Yeah, I think it's everyone'skind of deck, bro.
That deck is lit.
Okay, guys, I have one otherimportant topic that I think we
should talk about, and I haven'tprepped you guys for this, so
you might need a second to thinkabout it, but, uh, for better or
for worse, I was listening tothis guy called Tricky Jim talk
about Pokémon the other day, andhe said, someone in the finals

(40:56):
at Baltimore is going to have aunique opportunity on stream to
pay tribute to Ian Robb.
in a way that will absolutelyblow the minds of millions of
Pokemon players.
Is there anything that you cando to pay tribute to Iain Robb
that would not get you DQ'd fromthe event?

(41:18):
Change the dice roll.
Yeah, yeah, like actually justlike pick up a dice and like
roll it.
I don't know, do it exactly likeIain, but then roll the dice at
the end.
And sign the slip first.
And like, and also like don'tlook at the camera as much.
Try to, like, get some plausibledeniability going.
I, like, consider this myself.
Maybe don't bite your lip whileyou do it, but, you know.
Yeah, like, make it look likeyou're just, like, like, really,

(41:39):
like, sell the argument.
I guess this podcast is veryincriminating if I do this now.
But, like, really sell theargument that you're just an
innocent kid who just, like, wasrolling the dice.
And, uh, just happened to bekind of, like, Ian's thing.
I mean, just, just like Twitter,we do not reveal those who
follow the pod.
So, like, if you're listening tothis and you're in the finals
against Ibanakam or Liam, wewill never reveal.

(42:01):
That you heard it here first?
Oh yeah.
Liam, we should rip it though.
We, we should work on thetechnique and just like on
stream, not what on earth.
I'm not ripping it.
What?
Dude, come on bro.
Like that look like an accident.
I, I don't need to do that, bro.
What I, I'm glad to hear that,that I've captured bond's,
imagination at the very leastwith that No, no.

(42:23):
I will say, I thought about thisplenty of times before your
thing.
I was like, I wanna do Ian, Rob,I wanna do the Ian Rob, but I
wanna do it.
So close to the line that Idon't get any penalty, but it's
like very clear.
I'm doing it for my boy Ian, youknow?
Like, very, very borderline.
Nice, nice.
All right, so, uh, uh, Liam,this time last week, Iban gave

(42:45):
you the advice that you shouldtry to make sure you go to all
your classes.
How's that going?
Yeah, I haven't gotten all myclasses, man.
So, it's pretty light.
All right, so, Iban, you aresuccessfully raising a class.
Dude, good job.
I had one of my classes today,bro.
I didn't really realize that.
I started doing the reading lastnight.
The reading was like 50 pages,bro.

(43:05):
I was like, so shocked.
I um Yeah, he gave you like aweek, dude.
Yeah, dude, I like, I didn'teven realize, bro.
And I, yeah, I had to like, readall last night.
I still kept my sleep scheduleintact, but I wake up early,
read again, like There was likeso much reading, bro.

(43:26):
Goddamn, bro.
We have these like, crazy introclasses, Liam.
We are reading like, books,like, weekly.
Yeah, yeah, like, they're gonnatell you to read the whole book,
uh, before next week, and thenyou gotta get to it, right?
You gotta read 50 pages a night,in preparation for, like, like,
every night for the entire week.
Yes.
Yes, Brody.

(43:47):
I'm shocked.
Shocked.
Oh my god.
Do they really do this?
It's cramping the drive to 4K.
Yeah, like The classes are alsogoing much faster too, like, I
see what people are saying aboutlike, um, like, about the class

(44:09):
pace, where like most of ithappens outside of class,
because I like, I'm taking amath course, right, and like,
the first week, we've been doinglike, some like review stuff
kind of, but like, I'm like,dude, they like, they covered in
like two class periods, like,maybe like two months of stuff
that I learned in high school,bro, like, Holy Jesus, bro,
like, if I didn't like, alreadyknow this stuff, I'd be like,

(44:31):
literally cooked.
Like, what?
Like, they're moving like, sofast, bro.
I'm like, god damn, I have tolike, like, to get in the amount
of reps that I like, I got inhigh school, when we spent like,
you know, five class periods,like, what, you know, once a
day, basically just doing like,practice problems, I like, I
have to do all this stuff on myown.
Yes, yes, that is, that is, thatis the, that's how they get you.

(44:56):
I felt like, I felt like when Itook DPQ in college, uh, um,
like, after every class, I hadto do like, six hours of
homework, like, every nightbefore the next class, because
it was just like, I was like, ohmy god.
They don't check the homeworkbecause the test is checking the
homework.
Like, they don't need toactually sit down and like,
check if you did everyassignment, like, random
practice problem, cause, youeither do it by the end or you

(45:16):
don't, right?
We haven't even, we haven't evengotten homework in that class
yet.
Like, but like the teacher justlike yaps for like an hour about
like, you know, just randomstuff, and then like, if you
actually want to learn thatstuff, you have to like go home
and then like do it on your own,bro, and like, you know people
are saying that like, you haveto like go online and look for
like a study packet orsomething, bro, somebody else to

(45:37):
give you problems, like, what?
You're gonna find like randomIndian guys on YouTube, that's
like their go to classic.
Yes, bro, like.
They uh, they break it down foryou.
They're the actual professors,like.
If you need that.
There's this one guy, like,Organic Chemistry Tutor or
something like that.
He's, uh, he's the GOAT.
Organic Chemistry Tutor.
He doesn't just teach chemistry,he's actually the GOAT for,

(45:58):
like, literally every subject.
GOAT for everything, bro! Ithink I would have failed, like,
one of my, like, Physics Wavesclasses without him, so.
Yeah.
Look it up, I'll send you somelinks, Liam, if you're actually
interested after.
That's what we like to hear.
That's what we like to hear, ishis, his mom will like to hear
that you're helping him makesure he stays on top of his
homework.

(46:18):
Uh, is is it, is it gonna be achallenge to take Friday off and
then come back on Monday aftertaking the red eye?
No.
No.
I see.
He's asking me, but I feel Yeah.
No, mom's not, not taking thered eye because I'm taking him
to the airport at like five inthe morning.
It'll be awesome.
I appreciate it.
I didn't even know.
I thought you were gonna belike, sleeping or something, so

(46:39):
I wasn't even asking, but Iappreciate it.
I can also see how like, missingclasses in college is actually
like, much, much worse thanlike, in high school, because
the teachers are not gonna,they're not gonna help you
understand what was said in thelast lecture, bro.
Like, they do not know you, bro.
And like, and they also, um, allthe lectures are like, much more
important too, because yeah,like, they move so fast, and

(46:59):
they cover so much ground ineach lecture, because there's
like, the last lectures thatlike, You know, you miss a
lecture and they're like notgonna help you, and then they
covered a lot of stuff.
Like, damn, bro.
I was telling Liam before,before school that like, I was
like, it would be awesome if youhad somebody just follow you
around and take notes on allyour classes for you, just even
so you can just compare noteswith that, those notes.

(47:20):
And he's like, nah, it soundsterrible, but like, classes
would be crazy, man.
All right, guys, Let me give youa quick, I've prepared the
travel would you rather becauseI feel like that is maybe the
most important thing that wecould possibly do.
So, here's your choice guys.

(47:40):
Is this a Bonnet Camps firstwould you rather?
Yeah.
Alright, so here's how it works.
You have to choose between thesetwo things.
You can get on a cross countryflight, realize you absolutely
have to use the restroom.
But the restroom is out ofservice and you cannot hold it.

(48:02):
Or, you can go camping for amonth and you just have to use
the Great Outdoors.
There's no facilities.
What?
Those are two choices.
The Great Outdoors is wonderful.
That's a wonderful place.
Yeah, yeah, you would ratherjust, for a month, every time

(48:23):
you had to use the facilities.
They don't got PTCG Live outthere, bro.
Like, yeah, I wouldn't rathercamp, but like, if you're asking
which place would I rather, youknow, uh, take a piss, like, the
great outdoors or my pants, uh,I'd say the great outdoors.
I think, dude, I think you'relike completely tripping on this

(48:44):
one.
You're like, it's like a crosscountry flight, it's a little
embarrassing, but like, you'relike, whatever, like, it's not a
huge deal.
Yeah, sure.
At least you're not camping fora full month.
Yeah, uh, okay.
I, if the punishment is campingfor a whole month, alright,
sure, that's um, I guess that'spretty lame.

(49:04):
But like, yeah, like, I know, Iknow, I know, bro, like, You
know what, maybe the moral ofthe story is this question is a
better one for girls, because Ifeel like girls would be more
put off by the, like, campingfacilities situation.
Yeah, I don't know.
I guess I thought this wasgetting at, like, which place is

(49:25):
worse to use the restroom, butno, this is about, like, lose a
month of your life, or piss yourpants on a Yeah, yeah, you guys
have realized that the realproblem is not the facilities
when camping, it's camping,period.
Yes, yes, exactly.
Cam, where do you come down onthis?
Uh, I think it's just thecamping thing.

(49:45):
That's not too bad.
I'm sorry, so would you camp orwould you not camp?
I would camp that, that doesn'tseem too bad.
Yeah, camp Camp loves camping,bro.
Especially if he gets to bring agood book.
Yes.
Yeah.
Dude, I finished up showing, Ifinished up blank, bro.
So I'll bring it, I'll bring itback to you and I'll, I'll hand
you in Baltimore.
You can add it to your, uh,collection for the aesthetic.
Wait, can I borrow it first?
Actually, cam before you Oh myGod.

(50:08):
Goes into the collections.
There's book is Elite though,bro.
Every, like, I love readingbooks like that because like
yeah, that's what we can do inBaltimore.
I'm going to do a bookstore alltogether, as a group.
I was about to say, so now's thenext like, now's the next
segment of our podcast, it'scalled, it's the Cam Book
Recommendations, what you gotfor us Cam?

(50:30):
Oh goodness me, um, well, uh, Iknow, it's the book that I had
uh, Liam read, Liam, tell us,tell us about the book.
He's been telling us.
Yeah, we, we talked about itbefore you got on man.
Oh, okay, perfect, well, thenhere.
He already sold it for you.
We'll get a, we'll get anotherone.

(50:50):
Yeah, I've been pulling it onthe podcast for the last, like,
ever since I started reading it,because, like, It's relatable
to, like, it's relatable todecision making as a whole.
So, like, every time you talkabout any decision you ever
make, boom, here's what I read,you know, like, last week.
Yes.
So, so, Liam, I, I'm sure you'regonna hear this before, before

(51:11):
this weekend is out, but Nabilis a big fan of a podcast called
If Books Could Kill.
Yes, he told me about this.
Where they go through books andexplain why the books are like,
hilariously wrong.
Yeah.
I don't want to hear that, bro.
I like this world that MalcolmGladwell has composed much more
than like, one where this isnot, not true.

(51:31):
I'll listen to Malcolm Gladwell.
And that guy's also like, supergoated, right?
Like, he's super goated.
Liam just likes that one, thetipping point where it's like,
he's the goat because he wasborn in February.
Like, he loves that onespecifically.
I always talk about that, like,oh, I was like so much bigger
and stronger when I was younger,that just like, propelled me,
propelled me above all theseother frauds.
Yes?

(51:52):
That's what got him hooked.
Yes.
No, yeah, I, I'm good with that,bro.
I'm good with that.
All right, guys, we, we gottacall it.
It's 19 minutes until the debatestarts, and that means I gotta
go do my debate prep.
So we can get ready for thisaction and participate in the
civic discourse.

(52:13):
I will see all of you in, like,72 short hours.
And the John Pauls are ouroutro.
It's that easy, guys.
Riverside, it's so pretty.
Lookin here, we gotta get me tolife.
When you talk to me, I listen.

(52:33):
Stare straight ahead, trying topretend.
I got something to say, but I'mtellin you no lies.
My mind is just a little mellow.
I'm a beast and I awaken you,don't make fun of me, tipsy till
three, Now I'm drunk, naked, andhanging from a tree, Found it on

(52:55):
a chest, a carpet on the leaves,but, Where you wear your hats,
I'm charming, You can make yourname a star farmer, Put the
crocs in the ground, I'm gonnaraise them up, Build a roof up
above, I'm gonna raise it up,You jump on my head, don't I?
I've got two arms, wanna pick emup, I've got two legs, I'll

(53:20):
teach em how to jump, I've gottwo arms, wanna pick em up, I've
got two legs, I'll teach em howto jump, I've got two arms,
wanna pick em up, I've got twolegs, I'll teach em how to jump,

(53:42):
Yeah, it's what it's got, wejust call it art.