October 28, 2025 • 32 mins
Harpreet Sangha is a survivor of extreme autonomic and neurological trauma, including post-symapthectomy baroreflex failure and multiple head injuries. Against medical odds, he's lived without traditional medication support, relying instead on conscious cortical regulation, resilience and self-guided recovery strategies. Harpreet now shares his experience to help others facing trauma, offering real-world insights from both the physical and psychological edge. His focus is on honesty, survival and showing that even in extreme cases, there's a way forward.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Trauma Theriver's podcast. My name is Guamiferson
and I interview incredible people who share the story of
how trauma has shaped their lives. And a big thank
you for sponsoring today's episode goes to my guest and
our sponsors five four, three, two and one. Our folks,
(00:24):
welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have as
my guest today, Heartpret Sanga Hartpret Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Thank you guys, thank you for having me on the
show very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We appreciated Thank you for that so. Harpret is a
survivor of extreme autonomic neurological trauma, including a post sympathectnomy,
bar reflex failure, and multiple head injuries against medical odds.
He's lived without traditional medication support, relying instead unconscious cortical regulation, resilience,
(00:55):
and self guided recovery strategies. Heartpret now shares his experience
is to help others facing trauma, offering real world insights
from both the physical and psychological edge. His focus is
on honesty, survival and showing that even in extreme cases,
there is a way forward or at Harpre before we
can go in here, share with our listeners where you're from.
(01:18):
Originally where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm from Vancouver, BC, so I'm in the suburbs Surrey.
I was born in a small town, Williams Lake, BC,
but I've lived in Surrey, BC Delta for thirty years.
Thirty plus thirty years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, all right, so I have a feeling we're going
to be going on a ride here. How did this start? So?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I got stomped outside a club in nineteen ninety eight
and kind of like an attacked. Yeah, yeah, my friend was. Yeah,
my friend was getting jumped and I tried to piece
it out, break it up and ended up getting stomped
myself and going into cardiac arrest. And so I came
(02:10):
back from that and after that I had some you know,
adverse effects from the head injuries.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so young guy. You stomped like was what was
your head? Stopped you?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But yeah, my head was stomped, so you know, I
had footprints on my forehead. My eyes were closed, shot
and bruised. So yeah, it was pretty It wasn't a
minor head injury. But I went into cardiac arrest and
came back before the paramedics could put the paddles on me.
(02:54):
I came back and then spent the night in the
hospital and they said I had different areas of brain bruising,
but let me go in the morning. And so there
wasn't that much known about brain injuries back then, right,
this was like nineteen ninety eight. And I went to
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go play basketball like two weeks later, and I couldn't
catch the basketball. It went right through my hands.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, okay, so not too long ago or I'm only
talking what twenty seven years, Yeah, twenty seven years not
too long ago. But so you get released, are you
feeling How are you feeling when you get released?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm feeling like you saized and and you know, like
my eyes were still partially kind of shot. I was
just you know, I rested in bed for a week, right,
But I felt like, yeah, I have a high pain
threshold since I was a kid, So so I think
(04:01):
that's part of I started meditating at fourteen, so I
think that's part of it and part of its genetic
So I always bounce back. So I was like, oh,
I'll be better. Right in your mind, you think you're better,
You're going to get better, right, So I went to
go play basketball, like two weeks later and the ball
just went right through my hands. I couldn't catch it,
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and I was like, yo, what's like, what's going on here?
Like something is wrong. And then as the months kept going,
then I retrained myself, my hand eye myself. I didn't
get really any medical help. And then what happened was
I lost my twenty twenty vision. It went I lost
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some of the vision, and my hair started falling out,
and also my hands started sweating, and you know, all.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right, let me I have to interrupt you here. So
when you said you're trying to catch the basketball, yeah,
I went through your hands. What was it your coordination
or you couldn't physically.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The hand eye coordination Like I would try to catch it.
My hands were going, but it just wouldn't. It just
didn't sense it. It didn't you know, the field of vision.
So yeah, so something was wrong, right, Yeah, And so
I had to retrain that. And then I also, like
(05:23):
I said, all those other things came with it. My
metabolism slowed down, hair loss, my hands, my hands started sweating.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So no doctor at this time, no thought like do
I need to check this out or no.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Nothing. I went to my family doctor GP about a
year later because my hand started sweating as I was
writing on the paper at home, and this had never
happened to me in my life before. And I was like, Yo,
all these things are happening to me. And I went
to my family doctor and I and I said about
the hand sweating as well, and he's like, oh, well,
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you know there's a sympathetic to me. There's a doctor
you can go see, a thoracic surgeon. And I was
a lay person. I didn't know much, like you're just
the average person, right, So I went to the thoracic
surgeon and I explained to the thrastic surgeon, Yes, a.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Thoracic surgeon, is what's your specialty? You got me there,
But okay, I think thoracic.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, is that that would be in the in the
chest area, sympathetic nervous system, things like that, right, So
they would do repairs certain things on the spinal cord
as well. So, but don't quote me completely.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, who's doing a quick Google search here? As A
thoracic surgeon is a medical doctor specializing in the diagnosis, preoperative, operative,
and post operative treatment of diseases affecting the chest.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Okay, So the chest go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So you go go to this doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, and then and you know, I'm a lay person,
like I said, So I'm like, yo, I my hands
start a sweating, right, but I have all these other
things from the head injuries as well, like you know,
my hand, eye coordination, my hair loss, my vision. And
he's like, well, you know, did it happen before the
head injuries. I go, no, I never had it. That's
why it's kind of like weird off for me, right,
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And he's like, well, we can do the sympathetic to me,
but you're gonna just what. So they go in and
cut your sympathetic nervous chain, right, And so there's different
ganglions and there's T two, T three, T four all
the way down the spinal cord chain, right. And so basically,
a sympathetic nervous system is your fight flight. You're adrenaline,
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you're nora adrenaline, and so it targets many organs in
your body and parts of your body.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So he goes, well, we'll cut the T to We'll
cut your sympathetic nervous system, and your sweating will go away.
Your hands wedding, but you will not sweat from your
chest up right, and so right when I heard that,
I kind of got up because I was like, I
love my head sweating when I'm playing sports. So I
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got up and I was like, oh, I don't think
so right, and I kind of walked out. But as
I was walking by the secretary, she was like, well,
you know there's an eight month wait, nine month wait, right,
and you know you should sign up because what if
you change your mind? And I was too relaxed and mellow.
I should have said no. I was like okay, fine
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and signed up, and I forgot about the surgery, and
because my hands were getting a little bit better, things
were getting a little bit better from the head injuries,
and so my mom it was a Friday and the
surgery is on a Monday, and my mom reminded me right,
and I was like, oh, I'm going away from the weekend.
I'll come back and cancel it. So I ended up
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canceling at twenty two hours instead of twenty four hours. Right,
So here in Canada, the medical system covers your surgeries, right,
And so he called me and he's like, well, we
can you canceled in twenty two hours not twenty four.
So your surgery is not covered. You have to pay
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me yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, And so I was like, I don't have the money.
I can't remember exactly I think, but I don't have
that money. So he's like, okay, we'll reschedule you. So
I had no choice but to reschedule. So I ended
up rescheduling, and yeah, it was a worse and what
so I ended up getting the sympathetic to me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh my god, and.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And it was a I can't even tell you. I
woke up from that surgery like I was dead, Like
I had been disconnected emotionally, because the sympathetic nervous system,
it just doesn't involve sweating. It involves a lot of
things in your body, including emotional and control to certain things.
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And I was telling these doctors a year after because
I had to do research on my own. I think
the autonomic nervous system and the enteric nervous system send
signals back to the higher brain regions, right, hypotholomis things
like this. And they're like, no, no, it's only a
one way system. You know, you have no proof of this, right,
(10:24):
And I was like, okay, but now what are they finding?
The studies are finding enteric autonomic nervous system. It's a
relay system between the higher brain regions, right, so.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Hold on, hold on, heartbreate Jesus, this is crazy. So
you get this this, this, this surgery, and you wake
up and you said you feel like I felt like
you were dead. Say say more about what you were
feeling or not feeling, or what was going on for you.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So basically I would call it depersonalization. I didn't feel
like myself, like I was disconnected from emotions, but I
didn't realize. And I can go into this further. My
head injuries caused some barrel reflex response dysfunction, and which
is what? So that controls your blood pressure and your
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heart rate. Their barrel receptors they sense the blood flow, right,
So I think the head injuries cause a little bit
of damage, and the sympathectomy finished off the damage. So
then I ended up with complete barrel reflex failure response
waking up from the surgery, and honestly, I should have
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died on the table, but somehow my higher brain regions
kept me alive and brought me back just like they
did from the head injuries.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So how did you deal with this? Emotionally. I mean,
were you you said you were feeling depersonalization, Was there
any sense like of were you cognizant of what was
going on? Did this depress you or make you anxious
or what?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So basically I started meditating at fourteen, so I had internalization,
self awareness, self talk. I think a lot of that
helped me through those through the after side effects of
sympathetic to me. So they did try to put me
on certain medications, right, I just it didn't work and
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I didn't want to be on them because they had
side effects. So I basically from two thousand to twenty
seventeen wasn't on any medication. And if you're asking me
if I felt different, yeah, I did. Was gone the
passion to a certain point. It was like I was
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walking through life like a zombie. But because I had
such work on who and what I was since I
was a child, I was able to fight as best
as I could. And that's with gas lighting from the
medical system in Vancouver, straight out lying collusion to protect
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the thoracic surgeon because he never should have operated on
me after the head injuries, right, And I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
To you guy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It was like hell on Earth. Oh, because waking up
even so much pain, fatigue, it's not even I can't
even word it to tell you the truth. I used
to drop into hypothermia. So if I was exercising, I
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would drop to thirty three thirty two degrees celsius temperatures
body temperare. And this could be with like hot external temperatures.
It could be like thirty five outside and I'm exercising
and I was still drop temperature. And there are things
I think my body and brain was doing to survive
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and not to die. I would get attacks at night,
brain perfusion. So basically my brain is controlling autonomic functions,
my higher brain functions like the insula, the prefrontal cortex,
things like that, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the insula. So the insula is
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basically your self awareness and your self interception.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So instead of my autonomic nervous system which is now damaged,
right shown by the National Institute of Health Testing. It's
in my book which shows complete barrel reflex failure catacholamine
failure during cold exposure, my higher brain regions took over
control and you can research this. It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Happened before.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Never, no one's ever done it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Wow, it kind of feels like neuroplasticity.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I believe in neuroplasticity completely.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Certain parts of your brain are damage other things kind
of take away. So, okay, you'd mentioned you've mentioned, excuse me,
meditating from a very early age. Where did that start?
How did that start?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I had you know, I was a nice person,
but a good guy, but I had a temper at times.
So and I the first time I started meditating, it
came very.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Easy to me. Well who told you to meditate?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I told myself, You're like, I got to get my
act together yet change. It's got to change a little bit,
because you know, I wouldn't get mad fast. But when
I did, it was like and it wasn't unjust anger.
It was kind of in defense of myself for other people.
I see. This is where when I got stomped in Vancouver,
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I protected a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right, So are you a big guy? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Fat now?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But I used to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Okay, and so but when I even when I was
a young I was small, I would still protect people.
So say you were in school and you were getting bullied,
I didn't care who it was, I would protect you
right so and then so I've always been philosophical, and
then I just started meditating. I don't want to go
deep into it because people and I might not leave it.
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But I saw my third eye the first time I meditated.
Supposedly I didn't know at that time. It wasn't until
the years.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
This is a space where we talk about this stuff.
So interesting. It sounds like you're describing yourself as a
young kid who was.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Very emotional, emotional at times.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Emotional at times, yes, like very very emotional, very chill.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And relaxed ninety nine percent of the time. But if
I felt that I was there was injustice, there was
bullying going on, then the it would flip.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Interesting. So you have this experience, you have this surgery,
You have to deal with ramifications and the fallout from
the Canadian medical system, gas lighting and so forth. How
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do things unfold for you? How are you able to
Are you able to go about your daily life?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I lost I lost jobs. I did the best I
could with whatever I kind of job I could do,
So whatever job that would be easier for me. I
did you know what are we talking about? Security jobs?
Call center somewhere where I could control the temperature, you know,
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because our body wasn't thermal regulating where I could sit, stand,
stretch a bit. Right, So, because the medical system was
not helping me, I should have been dead. Right, Barrel
reflex failure, catacolman failure, all those things. I didn't know
at that time. I was guessing until my National Institut
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of Health Tests in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
How does that come about?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So two thousand end up two. My surgery was June
two thousand. So I started doing research online and I
found other sympathectomy patients and these patients had sweating their
whole lives, mostly so genetic, and a lot of them
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didn't like it. You know, if you're sweating twenty four
to seven profusely, you're not gonna like it, right, So
they go into the doctors and the doctors tell them, oh, well,
we can cut your nerves. They don't tell them the
side effects. All they tell.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Seems like such such a radical.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Thing to do, because you're just cutting part of the
whole system, right, So basically they don't tell them. They
tell them compassary sweating right over your body. They tell them,
gotchatory sweating. Right, those two things and Horner's syndrome. Horner
syndrome is your eye eyes even mine are a little
bit you know what I mean, but they can droop.
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So what they don't tell these patients and these people
have dealt with excess to sweating their whole lives. And
this is three to five percent of the population. Guy,
And what they dealt with already. And I feel for
them is they dealt with that and then they go
to the doctors and they get lied to. And these
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I have so hard for me because people have reached
out to me in these twenty five years. I created
a form with another woman in two thousand and three,
and that it's not around anymore. But I would get
these heartbreaking stories. People have committed suicide after sympathetic to me.
I just had one person last year who contacted me
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and then I tried to help him, but he committed suicide.
There's been suicides. People don't leave their houses because they
can't throwma regulate their body. They've been disconnected emotionally their
from body to brain. Right, chronic pain, chronic fatigue. Right,
how are you supposed to deal with all these things?
And the thing is then When you go back to
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the doctors, they tell you, oh, it's all psychological, it's
all in your head. There's no way a sympathet tom
me can do this. But if you do the research
on sympathy sympathetic nervous system, it innervates so many parts
to your body. How do they know where it's gonna
stop that deinnervation. They're saying it's just sweating, it's not.
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My National Institute of Health report proves that because it
deinnervated my catachol means my adrenaline and my nore adrenaline
plus barrel reflex the blood pressure.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So the doctors have been lying for years and years
about sympathet To me, it's almost as bad as a lobotomy,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Oh my god. So let me just remind everyone I'm
speaking with harpret Sanga, so our pre How do things
evolve for you? Do you get to a point when
you think about committing suicide yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Luckily I haven't.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You haven't. No.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I told you I have a high pain threshold. The meditation, right,
But I'm telling you it's hell to get through every day.
It is pure help.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Was there anyone did you reach out to anyone that
did help you.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So no system helped me. My parents helped me, and
they didn't understand, but they tried to as much as
they could. When I first started the forum, it was
a lady from New York who had hyperhydrosis. Me and
her worked together for that forum. And then there's been
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other few people here there that have had sympathectomies that
we worked together and created ideas and try to get
the word out. There was one person who tried to
get the word out. His pen name on was Songboy,
and he created a website. It was called split Body Syndrome,
and then he said he got threatened by the medical
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community after some years. I don't know if it's true
or if it's not true, but people have tried to
fight back after sympathetic to me. But there's just no
way to fight the medical system.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So what is your purpose now? What did you want
to do? What is your hope for speaking out, for
talking for coming on here?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Honestly, I want to talk to everyone. I want everyone
to know that you can fight through yourself unimaginable things
I have. I think neuroplasticity can work. You can work
on your brain body with meditation, I think there is
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a to tap into the hypotholomists, the mid brain centers.
You can see monks studies on monks yogis that are
able to control their body temperature to a certain point
they're breathing, right. I have just gone past that. I
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am controlling broken systems, So my systems are not even
there anymore, and I'm controlling it from higher brain regions
and you see. And that's why I want to get
this out there for everyone, not just sympathet to me patients,
not just for me, everyone who has an invisible illness,
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especially because I had people who knew I had head
injuries who didn't know what the sympathet toomy was and
they mocked me and they laughed and they said, there's
nothing wrong with him, right, So this is for everyone,
And honestly, I want to partner with research and try
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to get to where my brain and my body can
help people be a brain interface or whatever, because I'm
doing what brain interface companies want chips to do.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Now, obviously you have experience a lot of experience as
a meditator, are we talking? I mean I can imagine
where some people will be like, oh my god, you
know he's been doing this since he's fourteen. I don't
have six hours a day to meditate. Are you here
(25:44):
to advocate for the benefit and significance of meditation solely
or what?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think? You can meditate whatever makes you feel peaceful.
Doesn't have to be just sitting and meditating. Right, Does
a song make you feel peaceful? Does going out to
the ocean and you know, watching the waves, looking at
the sky. It's not easy for me anymore. The first
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time I meditated, yes, but now the pain and the
disconnection between brain and body has made it almost impossible.
But I still try. And if I can do this,
I think every person can do this out here. If
I can do the impossible without any medical help, almost
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dying every night for a while because of brain perfusion
and the attacks because my blood pressure system is completely gone,
I think anybody can do it out here if they
really want to.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Are there? You talked about the Canadian medical system. What
about other countries their systems? They're physicians, any anyone working
in this area, So anyone sympathetic to yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I wish there was. Doctor Goldstein. Did the National Institute
of Health Testing he's one of the foremost, foremost people
in autonomic nervous system disorders and Parkinson's, but he doesn't
come out openly and say that sympathetic to me should
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be stopped or you know, these kinds of things. Most
of the governments don't care write medical systems, just write
you off. In Sweden, they had a group when I
first came on, actually in like two thousand that had
gotten it banned in Sweden, and it was the birthplace
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of the keyhole sympathetic to Me, the one you go
through the underarm and it's a very small incision, so
they got it banned there. There's nobody that helps sympathete
to me patients.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Nobody Why What are some of the reasons, asarte from
what you shared, that someone would get or want a
sympathetic to me.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So there's excessive sweating, facial blushing, right, some people blush
for no reason, and also things like complex regional pain syndrome. Right,
those are the three that I mostly know of. Other
than that, there could be other ones that I don't know, right,
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So those are the main three ones.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Jesus, your story is is just crazy. I mean, for
lack of a better expression, it's crazy and what you've
gone through, what you're going.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Through, guy, it's I'll tell you. I had empathy for
people and sympathy and I still do and I still
that's why I give back to humanity as best as
I can.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What I seen.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
From people when I got in I just don't even
know what to put it into words like the medical
community and the government here in Canada. My parents are
from India and I was born in Canada though, and
there's a lot of corruption in India and you expect it,
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but you would never in a million years. Growing up,
I thought doctors were supposed to be like untouchable, right,
Like you go to them for help and to have
them turn it on you and make you look like
the liar and gaslight you and basically say even when
I brought the National Institute of Health reports back to
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Canada and went to go see neurologists endochronologists, they're like, oh,
this doesn't mean anything, it's all you're just making it up.
And I'm like, this is one of the top research
facilities in the world, right and you're telling me this
is made up. When I know bear reflex dysfunction, no
one has ever done this that I've seen research Like
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they could have got they could have used me as
research to a certain point, and people still can. Right,
But now I'm not going to do it for like, yeah,
just for the sake of doing it anymore, right, because
I've been abused for so long, right, So, and like
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because I can smile and laugh. A lot of people
think I'm not in pain, but I've always been smiling
and laughing my whole life. That's the way I think
laughing and smiling and being able to see the humor
in life still is part of the reason you can
still get up every day.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah. Well, look, I appreciate you being here and I
I mean, it's unimaginable what you have gone through, what
you're going through. But I appreciate your Ah, you're I
mean you're you're your inspiration and what you're doing and
trying to get the word out for people. How do
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people reach you? Can people reach you and learn more
about you and what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I have a website Archangel thirty one dot com, okay,
A R K A N G E L thirty one
dot com okay, And that will take you to my book.
And also I have a couple of YouTube videos. They're
not great. I'm just starting out, right, So that's what
it is. The name of my book is Life After Death,
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Unbroken and still Standing and that that's on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, and we'll have that linked appear at the show
notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. How
appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Man, Oh, thank you very much for having me on.
It's from the bottom of my heart because no one
else has, you know, reached out and actually cared.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So thank you. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We'll be in touch, all right, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All Right, man, I have a great day. They are
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my guest today, Heartpret Sanga Hartpret Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Thank you guys, thank you for having me on the
show very much.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
We appreciated Thank you for that so. Harpret is a
survivor of extreme autonomic neurological trauma, including a post sympathectnomy,
bar reflex failure, and multiple head injuries against medical odds.
He's lived without traditional medication support, relying instead unconscious cortical regulation, resilience,
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and self guided recovery strategies. Heartpret now shares his experience
is to help others facing trauma, offering real world insights
from both the physical and psychological edge. His focus is
on honesty, survival and showing that even in extreme cases,
there is a way forward or at Harpre before we
can go in here, share with our listeners where you're from.
(01:18):
Originally where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm from Vancouver, BC, so I'm in the suburbs Surrey.
I was born in a small town, Williams Lake, BC,
but I've lived in Surrey, BC Delta for thirty years.
Thirty plus thirty years.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, all right, so I have a feeling we're going
to be going on a ride here. How did this start? So?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I got stomped outside a club in nineteen ninety eight
and kind of like an attacked. Yeah, yeah, my friend was. Yeah,
my friend was getting jumped and I tried to piece
it out, break it up and ended up getting stomped
myself and going into cardiac arrest. And so I came
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back from that and after that I had some you know,
adverse effects from the head injuries.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
How old were you?
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I was twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, so young guy. You stomped like was what was
your head? Stopped you?
Speaker 2 (02:30):
But yeah, my head was stomped, so you know, I
had footprints on my forehead. My eyes were closed, shot
and bruised. So yeah, it was pretty It wasn't a
minor head injury. But I went into cardiac arrest and
came back before the paramedics could put the paddles on me.
(02:54):
I came back and then spent the night in the
hospital and they said I had different areas of brain bruising,
but let me go in the morning. And so there
wasn't that much known about brain injuries back then, right,
this was like nineteen ninety eight. And I went to
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go play basketball like two weeks later, and I couldn't
catch the basketball. It went right through my hands.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, okay, so not too long ago or I'm only
talking what twenty seven years, Yeah, twenty seven years not
too long ago. But so you get released, are you
feeling How are you feeling when you get released?
Speaker 2 (03:39):
I'm feeling like you saized and and you know, like
my eyes were still partially kind of shot. I was
just you know, I rested in bed for a week, right,
But I felt like, yeah, I have a high pain
threshold since I was a kid, So so I think
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that's part of I started meditating at fourteen, so I
think that's part of it and part of its genetic
So I always bounce back. So I was like, oh,
I'll be better. Right in your mind, you think you're better,
You're going to get better, right, So I went to
go play basketball, like two weeks later and the ball
just went right through my hands. I couldn't catch it,
(04:24):
and I was like, yo, what's like, what's going on here?
Like something is wrong. And then as the months kept going,
then I retrained myself, my hand eye myself. I didn't
get really any medical help. And then what happened was
I lost my twenty twenty vision. It went I lost
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some of the vision, and my hair started falling out,
and also my hands started sweating, and you know, all.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Right, let me I have to interrupt you here. So
when you said you're trying to catch the basketball, yeah,
I went through your hands. What was it your coordination
or you couldn't physically.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
The hand eye coordination Like I would try to catch it.
My hands were going, but it just wouldn't. It just
didn't sense it. It didn't you know, the field of vision.
So yeah, so something was wrong, right, Yeah, And so
I had to retrain that. And then I also, like
(05:23):
I said, all those other things came with it. My
metabolism slowed down, hair loss, my hands, my hands started sweating.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
So no doctor at this time, no thought like do
I need to check this out or no.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Nothing. I went to my family doctor GP about a
year later because my hand started sweating as I was
writing on the paper at home, and this had never
happened to me in my life before. And I was like, Yo,
all these things are happening to me. And I went
to my family doctor and I and I said about
the hand sweating as well, and he's like, oh, well,
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you know there's a sympathetic to me. There's a doctor
you can go see, a thoracic surgeon. And I was
a lay person. I didn't know much, like you're just
the average person, right, So I went to the thoracic
surgeon and I explained to the thrastic surgeon, Yes, a.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Thoracic surgeon, is what's your specialty? You got me there,
But okay, I think thoracic.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, is that that would be in the in the
chest area, sympathetic nervous system, things like that, right, So
they would do repairs certain things on the spinal cord
as well. So, but don't quote me completely.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, who's doing a quick Google search here? As A
thoracic surgeon is a medical doctor specializing in the diagnosis, preoperative, operative,
and post operative treatment of diseases affecting the chest.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Okay, So the chest go ahead.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
So you go go to this doctor.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, and then and you know, I'm a lay person,
like I said, So I'm like, yo, I my hands
start a sweating, right, but I have all these other
things from the head injuries as well, like you know,
my hand, eye coordination, my hair loss, my vision. And
he's like, well, you know, did it happen before the
head injuries. I go, no, I never had it. That's
why it's kind of like weird off for me, right,
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And he's like, well, we can do the sympathetic to me,
but you're gonna just what. So they go in and
cut your sympathetic nervous chain, right, And so there's different
ganglions and there's T two, T three, T four all
the way down the spinal cord chain, right. And so basically,
a sympathetic nervous system is your fight flight. You're adrenaline,
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you're nora adrenaline, and so it targets many organs in
your body and parts of your body.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
So he goes, well, we'll cut the T to We'll
cut your sympathetic nervous system, and your sweating will go away.
Your hands wedding, but you will not sweat from your
chest up right, and so right when I heard that,
I kind of got up because I was like, I
love my head sweating when I'm playing sports. So I
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got up and I was like, oh, I don't think
so right, and I kind of walked out. But as
I was walking by the secretary, she was like, well,
you know there's an eight month wait, nine month wait, right,
and you know you should sign up because what if
you change your mind? And I was too relaxed and mellow.
I should have said no. I was like okay, fine
(08:34):
and signed up, and I forgot about the surgery, and
because my hands were getting a little bit better, things
were getting a little bit better from the head injuries,
and so my mom it was a Friday and the
surgery is on a Monday, and my mom reminded me right,
and I was like, oh, I'm going away from the weekend.
I'll come back and cancel it. So I ended up
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canceling at twenty two hours instead of twenty four hours. Right,
So here in Canada, the medical system covers your surgeries, right,
And so he called me and he's like, well, we
can you canceled in twenty two hours not twenty four.
So your surgery is not covered. You have to pay
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me yourself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
No.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, And so I was like, I don't have the money.
I can't remember exactly I think, but I don't have
that money. So he's like, okay, we'll reschedule you. So
I had no choice but to reschedule. So I ended
up rescheduling, and yeah, it was a worse and what
so I ended up getting the sympathetic to me.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh my god, and.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And it was a I can't even tell you. I
woke up from that surgery like I was dead, Like
I had been disconnected emotionally, because the sympathetic nervous system,
it just doesn't involve sweating. It involves a lot of
things in your body, including emotional and control to certain things.
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And I was telling these doctors a year after because
I had to do research on my own. I think
the autonomic nervous system and the enteric nervous system send
signals back to the higher brain regions, right, hypotholomis things
like this. And they're like, no, no, it's only a
one way system. You know, you have no proof of this, right,
(10:24):
And I was like, okay, but now what are they finding?
The studies are finding enteric autonomic nervous system. It's a
relay system between the higher brain regions, right, so.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Hold on, hold on, heartbreate Jesus, this is crazy. So
you get this this, this, this surgery, and you wake
up and you said you feel like I felt like
you were dead. Say say more about what you were
feeling or not feeling, or what was going on for you.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
So basically I would call it depersonalization. I didn't feel
like myself, like I was disconnected from emotions, but I
didn't realize. And I can go into this further. My
head injuries caused some barrel reflex response dysfunction, and which
is what? So that controls your blood pressure and your
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heart rate. Their barrel receptors they sense the blood flow, right,
So I think the head injuries cause a little bit
of damage, and the sympathectomy finished off the damage. So
then I ended up with complete barrel reflex failure response
waking up from the surgery, and honestly, I should have
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died on the table, but somehow my higher brain regions
kept me alive and brought me back just like they
did from the head injuries.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
So how did you deal with this? Emotionally. I mean,
were you you said you were feeling depersonalization, Was there
any sense like of were you cognizant of what was
going on? Did this depress you or make you anxious
or what?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
So basically I started meditating at fourteen, so I had internalization,
self awareness, self talk. I think a lot of that
helped me through those through the after side effects of
sympathetic to me. So they did try to put me
on certain medications, right, I just it didn't work and
(12:42):
I didn't want to be on them because they had
side effects. So I basically from two thousand to twenty
seventeen wasn't on any medication. And if you're asking me
if I felt different, yeah, I did. Was gone the
passion to a certain point. It was like I was
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walking through life like a zombie. But because I had
such work on who and what I was since I
was a child, I was able to fight as best
as I could. And that's with gas lighting from the
medical system in Vancouver, straight out lying collusion to protect
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the thoracic surgeon because he never should have operated on
me after the head injuries, right, And I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
To you guy.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
It was like hell on Earth. Oh, because waking up
even so much pain, fatigue, it's not even I can't
even word it to tell you the truth. I used
to drop into hypothermia. So if I was exercising, I
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would drop to thirty three thirty two degrees celsius temperatures
body temperare. And this could be with like hot external temperatures.
It could be like thirty five outside and I'm exercising
and I was still drop temperature. And there are things
I think my body and brain was doing to survive
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and not to die. I would get attacks at night,
brain perfusion. So basically my brain is controlling autonomic functions,
my higher brain functions like the insula, the prefrontal cortex,
things like that, and I think a lot of it
has to do with the insula. So the insula is
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basically your self awareness and your self interception.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So instead of my autonomic nervous system which is now damaged,
right shown by the National Institute of Health Testing. It's
in my book which shows complete barrel reflex failure catacholamine
failure during cold exposure, my higher brain regions took over
control and you can research this. It's never happened.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Happened before.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Never, no one's ever done it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Wow, it kind of feels like neuroplasticity.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I believe in neuroplasticity completely.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Certain parts of your brain are damage other things kind
of take away. So, okay, you'd mentioned you've mentioned, excuse me,
meditating from a very early age. Where did that start?
How did that start?
Speaker 2 (15:41):
So I had you know, I was a nice person,
but a good guy, but I had a temper at times.
So and I the first time I started meditating, it
came very.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Easy to me. Well who told you to meditate?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I told myself, You're like, I got to get my
act together yet change. It's got to change a little bit,
because you know, I wouldn't get mad fast. But when
I did, it was like and it wasn't unjust anger.
It was kind of in defense of myself for other people.
I see. This is where when I got stomped in Vancouver,
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I protected a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Right, So are you a big guy? Well?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Fat now?
Speaker 1 (16:26):
But I used to be bigger.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Okay, and so but when I even when I was
a young I was small, I would still protect people.
So say you were in school and you were getting bullied,
I didn't care who it was, I would protect you
right so and then so I've always been philosophical, and
then I just started meditating. I don't want to go
deep into it because people and I might not leave it.
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But I saw my third eye the first time I meditated.
Supposedly I didn't know at that time. It wasn't until
the years.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
This is a space where we talk about this stuff.
So interesting. It sounds like you're describing yourself as a
young kid who was.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Very emotional, emotional at times.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Emotional at times, yes, like very very emotional, very chill.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
And relaxed ninety nine percent of the time. But if
I felt that I was there was injustice, there was
bullying going on, then the it would flip.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Interesting. So you have this experience, you have this surgery,
You have to deal with ramifications and the fallout from
the Canadian medical system, gas lighting and so forth. How
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do things unfold for you? How are you able to
Are you able to go about your daily life?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I lost I lost jobs. I did the best I
could with whatever I kind of job I could do,
So whatever job that would be easier for me. I
did you know what are we talking about? Security jobs?
Call center somewhere where I could control the temperature, you know,
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because our body wasn't thermal regulating where I could sit, stand,
stretch a bit. Right, So, because the medical system was
not helping me, I should have been dead. Right, Barrel
reflex failure, catacolman failure, all those things. I didn't know
at that time. I was guessing until my National Institut
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of Health Tests in twenty twelve.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
How does that come about?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
So two thousand end up two. My surgery was June
two thousand. So I started doing research online and I
found other sympathectomy patients and these patients had sweating their
whole lives, mostly so genetic, and a lot of them
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didn't like it. You know, if you're sweating twenty four
to seven profusely, you're not gonna like it, right, So
they go into the doctors and the doctors tell them, oh, well,
we can cut your nerves. They don't tell them the
side effects. All they tell.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Seems like such such a radical.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Thing to do, because you're just cutting part of the
whole system, right, So basically they don't tell them. They
tell them compassary sweating right over your body. They tell them,
gotchatory sweating. Right, those two things and Horner's syndrome. Horner
syndrome is your eye eyes even mine are a little
bit you know what I mean, but they can droop.
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So what they don't tell these patients and these people
have dealt with excess to sweating their whole lives. And
this is three to five percent of the population. Guy,
And what they dealt with already. And I feel for
them is they dealt with that and then they go
to the doctors and they get lied to. And these
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I have so hard for me because people have reached
out to me in these twenty five years. I created
a form with another woman in two thousand and three,
and that it's not around anymore. But I would get
these heartbreaking stories. People have committed suicide after sympathetic to me.
I just had one person last year who contacted me
(20:40):
and then I tried to help him, but he committed suicide.
There's been suicides. People don't leave their houses because they
can't throwma regulate their body. They've been disconnected emotionally their
from body to brain. Right, chronic pain, chronic fatigue. Right,
how are you supposed to deal with all these things?
And the thing is then When you go back to
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the doctors, they tell you, oh, it's all psychological, it's
all in your head. There's no way a sympathet tom
me can do this. But if you do the research
on sympathy sympathetic nervous system, it innervates so many parts
to your body. How do they know where it's gonna
stop that deinnervation. They're saying it's just sweating, it's not.
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My National Institute of Health report proves that because it
deinnervated my catachol means my adrenaline and my nore adrenaline
plus barrel reflex the blood pressure.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
So the doctors have been lying for years and years
about sympathet To me, it's almost as bad as a lobotomy,
I'll tell you.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Oh my god. So let me just remind everyone I'm
speaking with harpret Sanga, so our pre How do things
evolve for you? Do you get to a point when
you think about committing suicide yourself?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Luckily I haven't.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
You haven't. No.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I told you I have a high pain threshold. The meditation, right,
But I'm telling you it's hell to get through every day.
It is pure help.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Was there anyone did you reach out to anyone that
did help you.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
So no system helped me. My parents helped me, and
they didn't understand, but they tried to as much as
they could. When I first started the forum, it was
a lady from New York who had hyperhydrosis. Me and
her worked together for that forum. And then there's been
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other few people here there that have had sympathectomies that
we worked together and created ideas and try to get
the word out. There was one person who tried to
get the word out. His pen name on was Songboy,
and he created a website. It was called split Body Syndrome,
and then he said he got threatened by the medical
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community after some years. I don't know if it's true
or if it's not true, but people have tried to
fight back after sympathetic to me. But there's just no
way to fight the medical system.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
So what is your purpose now? What did you want
to do? What is your hope for speaking out, for
talking for coming on here?
Speaker 2 (23:38):
Honestly, I want to talk to everyone. I want everyone
to know that you can fight through yourself unimaginable things
I have. I think neuroplasticity can work. You can work
on your brain body with meditation, I think there is
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a to tap into the hypotholomists, the mid brain centers.
You can see monks studies on monks yogis that are
able to control their body temperature to a certain point
they're breathing, right. I have just gone past that. I
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am controlling broken systems, So my systems are not even
there anymore, and I'm controlling it from higher brain regions
and you see. And that's why I want to get
this out there for everyone, not just sympathet to me patients,
not just for me, everyone who has an invisible illness,
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especially because I had people who knew I had head
injuries who didn't know what the sympathet toomy was and
they mocked me and they laughed and they said, there's
nothing wrong with him, right, So this is for everyone,
And honestly, I want to partner with research and try
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to get to where my brain and my body can
help people be a brain interface or whatever, because I'm
doing what brain interface companies want chips to do.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Now, obviously you have experience a lot of experience as
a meditator, are we talking? I mean I can imagine
where some people will be like, oh my god, you
know he's been doing this since he's fourteen. I don't
have six hours a day to meditate. Are you here
(25:44):
to advocate for the benefit and significance of meditation solely
or what?
Speaker 2 (25:52):
I think? You can meditate whatever makes you feel peaceful.
Doesn't have to be just sitting and meditating. Right, Does
a song make you feel peaceful? Does going out to
the ocean and you know, watching the waves, looking at
the sky. It's not easy for me anymore. The first
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time I meditated, yes, but now the pain and the
disconnection between brain and body has made it almost impossible.
But I still try. And if I can do this,
I think every person can do this out here. If
I can do the impossible without any medical help, almost
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dying every night for a while because of brain perfusion
and the attacks because my blood pressure system is completely gone,
I think anybody can do it out here if they
really want to.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Are there? You talked about the Canadian medical system. What
about other countries their systems? They're physicians, any anyone working
in this area, So anyone sympathetic to yourself.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I wish there was. Doctor Goldstein. Did the National Institute
of Health Testing he's one of the foremost, foremost people
in autonomic nervous system disorders and Parkinson's, but he doesn't
come out openly and say that sympathetic to me should
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be stopped or you know, these kinds of things. Most
of the governments don't care write medical systems, just write
you off. In Sweden, they had a group when I
first came on, actually in like two thousand that had
gotten it banned in Sweden, and it was the birthplace
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of the keyhole sympathetic to Me, the one you go
through the underarm and it's a very small incision, so
they got it banned there. There's nobody that helps sympathete
to me patients.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Nobody Why What are some of the reasons, asarte from
what you shared, that someone would get or want a
sympathetic to me.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
So there's excessive sweating, facial blushing, right, some people blush
for no reason, and also things like complex regional pain syndrome. Right,
those are the three that I mostly know of. Other
than that, there could be other ones that I don't know, right,
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So those are the main three ones.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
Jesus, your story is is just crazy. I mean, for
lack of a better expression, it's crazy and what you've
gone through, what you're going.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Through, guy, it's I'll tell you. I had empathy for
people and sympathy and I still do and I still
that's why I give back to humanity as best as
I can.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
What I seen.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
From people when I got in I just don't even
know what to put it into words like the medical
community and the government here in Canada. My parents are
from India and I was born in Canada though, and
there's a lot of corruption in India and you expect it,
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but you would never in a million years. Growing up,
I thought doctors were supposed to be like untouchable, right,
Like you go to them for help and to have
them turn it on you and make you look like
the liar and gaslight you and basically say even when
I brought the National Institute of Health reports back to
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Canada and went to go see neurologists endochronologists, they're like, oh,
this doesn't mean anything, it's all you're just making it up.
And I'm like, this is one of the top research
facilities in the world, right and you're telling me this
is made up. When I know bear reflex dysfunction, no
one has ever done this that I've seen research Like
(30:04):
they could have got they could have used me as
research to a certain point, and people still can. Right,
But now I'm not going to do it for like, yeah,
just for the sake of doing it anymore, right, because
I've been abused for so long, right, So, and like
(30:24):
because I can smile and laugh. A lot of people
think I'm not in pain, but I've always been smiling
and laughing my whole life. That's the way I think
laughing and smiling and being able to see the humor
in life still is part of the reason you can
still get up every day.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Yeah. Well, look, I appreciate you being here and I
I mean, it's unimaginable what you have gone through, what
you're going through. But I appreciate your Ah, you're I
mean you're you're your inspiration and what you're doing and
trying to get the word out for people. How do
(31:00):
people reach you? Can people reach you and learn more
about you and what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, I have a website Archangel thirty one dot com, okay,
A R K A N G E L thirty one
dot com okay, And that will take you to my book.
And also I have a couple of YouTube videos. They're
not great. I'm just starting out, right, So that's what
it is. The name of my book is Life After Death,
(31:27):
Unbroken and still Standing and that that's on Amazon.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Okay, and we'll have that linked appear at the show
notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. How
appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Man, Oh, thank you very much for having me on.
It's from the bottom of my heart because no one
else has, you know, reached out and actually cared.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
So thank you. Appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
We'll be in touch, all right, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
All Right, man, I have a great day. They are
not composier sto
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