October 2, 2025 • 28 mins
Megan Margherio is a trauma-informed coach, writer, speaker, and yoga instructor based in St. Louis. A survivor of childhood sexual abuse and intimate partner violence, she helps women reconnect to their bodies and inner wisdom through somatic practices, coaching, and storytelling. Her debut memoir, Everwoven: A Reckoning, comes out in October 2025.
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- Megan’s website
- Megan on Instagram
- TikTok: @megan_margherio
- Megan’s coaching
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Trauma Theripis Podcast. My name is Ga Macpherson.
I interview incredible people who dedicated their lives to helping
those who have been impacted by trauma. Here we go,
So five, four, three, two and one. All right, folks,
welcome back to the podcast. They're very excited to have
my guest today, Megan Margerio. Meghan, welcome, Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Awesome. So. Meghan is a trauma informed coach, writer, speaker,
and yoga instructor based in Saint Louis a survivor of
childhood sexual abuse and intimate partner violence. She helps women
reconnect to their bodies and in her wisdom through somatic practices, coaching,
and storytelling. Her debut memoir, Ever Woven a Reckoning, comes
(00:45):
out in October twenty twenty five. Megan, is it Saint
Louis or Saint Louis?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Saint Louis?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Okay, it's one of to reveal my ignorance before we
get going, share with our listeners where you're from originally
and where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So, originally, I'm from a really small town in mid
Missouri of population of fifty five called Middlegrove, Missouri, deep
in the heartland, so surrounded by an Amish community on
one side and farms on the other, so.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Very very much out in the middle of nowhere. And
then now live in Saint Louis.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I've lived here for about almost twenty years, but getting
ready at some point to kind of pick up and
head to the West coast.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Actually, and I'll be heading to Seattle soon.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh so awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, so a little bit of transition.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Happening, all right, So let's dive in here. You've got
a book coming out again, Everwoven Reckoning. But how did
all this start for you?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I've had the idea for writing a book kind
of playing in the back of my mind for a
really long time, and it's something that I've always toyed
with but always resisted at the same time. So the
resistance was very strong because I have to be visible,
which is kind of the thing I didn't want to be.
But then also I just really didn't know what I
(02:06):
was going to say, and so the idea, you know,
kind of just kept percolating in my head and I'd
push it away, and then I'd come back and I'd
push it away and then this this time, when I
actually sat down to write it, it was because I
thought to myself, well, what would I even say? And
when I asked that second follow up question, which I'd
never asked before, the words just flooded. And so it
(02:29):
was like the book came already formed to me. I'd been,
I guess, in the back of my mind or on
the walls of my mind, been writing the words to
this book for years, and I was just finally at
a place that I felt safe enough in my story,
safe enough in my healing to actually be able to
not only hold it, but be able to then present
it out to the world.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, that is the general response. Now let's dive a
little deeper here. When I wanta how did this whole
process journey start for you? That's what I want to
ask you?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Got it so odd?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Go backstory in details?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, So, I, like you said, I am a survivor
of childhood sexual abuse and intimate partner violence, and so
a lot of trauma work, a lot a lot of
trauma work has been done, a lot of decades of
ignoring what was screaming out from the inside of me,
begging to be seen heard.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
There was this emptiness that was in me that I
couldn't fill.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
No matter how many times I tried to do something
on the outside, whether that was some level of achievement
or just high functioning kind of ability, I couldn't fill
whatever was kind of in me. And what I found
was that what I was missing, this emptiness that was
kind of coming from me, was really it wasn't the
(03:55):
absence of love because I'm unlovable, which was the story
I was telling myself. It was the absence of self
love because I'd been taught that I was unlovable and
that distinction changed everything.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
For well plus right there, because that's major.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yes, So.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Walk me through that again.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, So a little bit of.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Kind of like what you said, like my backstory, So
was I survived childhood sexual abuse from a adopted kind
of child that came into our family. I don't refer
Tom as brother, but an adopted sibling that came into
our family. And so I was abused from ages eleven
to fourteen, and then I went and my first husband
(04:46):
was abusive as well, and so from the ages of
twenty one to twenty eight, I was experiencing intimate partner
violence as well.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So the first twenty eight years of my life carried
a lot of heaviness inside all of that was also
some suicidal ideation and just like deep self loathing, deep
self blame, and I had to kind of dig myself
out of this darkness that I was sitting in. And
(05:16):
when it kind of started to click for me was
that I was constantly looking for external validation, external things
to make this hole that was inside me feel full,
so that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I were you seeking out therapy or not?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Initially no, so yes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So for the first gosh, like so I would say
about ten years, I didn't. I just kind of was
like white knuckling it through life. After everything had ended,
I was really trying to just like push it aside
and be like, well, it's over, I don't need to
(05:57):
deal with that anymore, like, and it just kept coming
back around in different ways and the ways that I
was unable to show up for myself, the ways that
I didn't think I deserved to get to show up
for myself, the ways that like when people tried to love.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Me, I couldn't let that in.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And eventually it all kind of just came to a
head and I knew I had to do something. And
it was my son who was kind of the impetus
for going into therapy, but he was also the impetus
for why I got out of this intimate partner violence situation.
And so so in so many ways, like my.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Son, when you say he was the impetus for getting
into therapy, are you talking about like, oh my god,
I've got a kid, I've got to get my stuff
together and deal with it or what.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
No, So there was this singular moment, and I can
I vividly remember it. A lot of like my life,
she'll see in the book, A lot of my life
tends to happen in my closet inexplicably. I don't really
know why, but I actually wrote part of the book
in my closet. But I just happened to be in
my closet at the time and the door was closed.
My son was thirteen at the time, and he came
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and he was like knocking on the door, and he
was mad about something. And I can't remember what it
was he was mad about, but it was unfair and
he you know, and so he was yelling about how
unfair something was, and then something happened and my body
locked into place, and I couldn't move, and I didn't
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hear my son's voice through the door anymore. I heard
my ex husband's voice through the door, crystal clear, perfect,
and it froze me, like that's why I locked in place.
I froze because it all came back. Everything came like
a flood back to me. And so what started as
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just like this crystal clear auditory hallucination or you know,
like flashback, then went into like images kind of just
cycling through, and then just as fast as it came,
it was gone.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I was back standing in that closet.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
My son's still yelling at me, and I started just trembling,
and I fell to the floor of my closet, and
I thought, I cannot mother my son if I am
worried that he's gonna sound like his dad, and I
need to handle that like that comes to me.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And so I spent the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Night looking for therapists and well first making sure I
wasn't like like needing to be checked in somewhere because
I was deeply concerned about what.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I from that dad.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, And then I found a therapist that night, called
her the next morning, and I got into therapy like
a week or so later, because she was brand new
to her.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To the to the group that she was with, which
meant she had wide open books.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So right, wow, pause it damn intense. I mean, thank
you so much for shit learn that and that is
just so much in there. My god. So how old
(09:12):
were you at that time?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I was thirty eight then, and that's what that's
what prompted me to go into therapy, And so I
started talk therapy at that point, and then through talk
therapy we got a lot of stuff uncovered, like, uh,
you know, I have CPTSD, which obviously isn't that surprising,
but anyway, so and then just kind of learning how
(09:36):
to navigate that and that diagnosis was helpful because it
helped to explain a lot of the things that I
was experiencing, but also just normalized it a lot more
so I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Feel so isolated.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But then from talk therapy, that led me into things
like ketamine therapy, which was really helpful and accelerated a.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Lot of my healing. Yeah, R was really helpful.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Trauma sensitive yoga has been incredibly helpful. So just like
a lot of modalities that I've been able to try
because I'm very lucky and very privileged in that way,
and so being able to try these things and see
how they've made a difference for me, and in the
five years since then, I have fundamentally changed my life.
(10:24):
Like everything about my life is different. I am different.
I don't know. I just walk through the world holding
myself a little bit more and not asking for the
world to.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Take pieces away from me to make it easier.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You have this really incredible way of articulating your feelings
and it's very graphic in the sense of producing images,
and it's pretty amazing. So what were you doing for work?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I Yeah, so I was a teacher.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So initially started my career in education, I worked with
primarily gifted learners, so those who were intellectually gifted, so
working with them on building social skills and creativity. Worked
with a lot of people, a lot of kids that
were on that autism spectrum.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And so that was kind of my primary job.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I did that for about fifteen years and then I
got burnt out, and so in the middle of doing
all this therapy work, I was also dealing with extreme
burnout from teaching through the pandemic and kind of coming
out of that in everything, and so I ended my
career teaching high schoolers, but I've taught everything from kindergarten
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all the way through. The bulk of my career was
spent actually teaching middle school, which is kind of like
the weirdest group, as everybody says, but my favorites, but
I'm biased, didn't think that they're special. But anyway, so
I left education and I spent the last couple of
years trying to really kind of figure out who I
am now that I get to actually live out in
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the world as me and stop trying to please other people,
stop trying to shield myself from what isn't actually there.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And so once I was able.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To kind of do that, I found trauma sensitive yoga
and became a trauma sensitive yoga coach and facilitator, And
so I've been able to use that to then work
with women who've experienced trauma on embodiment strategies, so and
then added in semantics, added in meditation and mindfulness and stuff,
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so I now can work with women who just need
to be able to feel in their body and know
that they can and that it's still possible and that
they don't have to be a floating head.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
All day long.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Let me just remind everyone speaking with Megan Margerio. Her
book is called Ever Woven Reckoning. It's coming out in
October twenty five. So all right, let's kind of go
back to the book here and dive in. When did
you realize you wanted or and or needed to write
(13:12):
the book?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So earlier? Actually this year. So I actually wrote the
book in February. It took thirty two days to write
because I wrote it NonStop. I've never I have ADHD
so hyper focus and I can get along really well,
but this was an extra level of hyper focus. So
I was focusing for about twelve hours a day, every
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single day, for thirty two days straight.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And out of that came ever Woven.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And like I said, the book itself was already kind
of like formed in my mind. It was just the
it was the process of actually going through it. And
so the structure of the book is that the it's
a conversation. Each chapter is kind of a conversation between
myself and the press, like the past version of me
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who lived it, so little me, team me, twenties, me,
thirties me all kind of get to share their stories
and so for me, that was really important is that
I wanted to honor these versions of myself that I
ran from for so long and that I kind of
just tucked away and was like, I can't deal with
you because I have to keep moving forward. And now
(14:26):
I was at a place where I could kind of
deal with them.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And why was that? Why was that important to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Because it felt like such a I don't know, it
felt like such a misrepresentation of my entire life to
just keep ignoring them and to keep their stories like
talk aside where only I knew them and I didn't
even want to look at them, and so it just
it kind of just felt like that I was making
them disappear, and that isn't don't I don't want parts
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of myself to disappear when I'm going through a process
to try to reclaim parts of myself through my healing.
And so this was really critical and paramount actually to
me being able to kind of I think progress in
my healing was being able to get to this place
where I could kind of talk to these versions of
myself and kind of like truly like I dialogue with them.
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And so that's what that first like at the beginning
and ending of each chapter, that's what I'm doing. My
present self is dialoguing with those past selves.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And then in the middle, it's a.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Series of vignettes that are just memories that that version
of me that I worked really hard to channel from
the floor of my closet, where I wanted them to
be able to tell their stories in their words, and
so those were dictated into my phone and then have
been largely left verbatim because I wanted I wanted those
(15:53):
stories to be honored properly by the one by the
ones who lived it, And so this is kind of
in anyways, it's a love letter to them, in gratitude
for surviving, and not just for surviving, but for protecting
and holding on to the parts of myself that I
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think are the most important, like the fact that I
can still love people and be kind and show up
like those all matter, Like that trauma didn't harden me,
and I don't have me like present me to thank
for that. I have past versions of me to think
for that, because they're the ones who had every reason
in the world to harden and they didn't. And so
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this is kind of my opportunity to really thank them,
but then also for them to kind of confront me.
And so the reason it's called a reckoning is because
there is a chapter where I invite every past version
of myself to kind of like this round table in
my mind where I ask where they are allowed to
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fire at will. They get to ask me the questions
why did you abandon me? Why didn't you think my
truth was worthy of you? Why didn't you listen when
I was calling for you? Why wasn't I worth your attention?
Like these questions that hurt to hear, right, but also
are things that I needed to I.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Needed to acknowledge.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I needed to acknowledge my own self abandonment and my
own self erasure so that I could stop doing those things.
And so I could also prove to myself that I
could stay, that I could hold myself, that I could
hold them, that I could hold their stories, and that
I was worthy of that trust. And so that's really
whatever Woven is all about.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Within there, I'm sure there's an answer to the question
I'm going to ask, but I want to ask it
just here. When you decided to write the book, what
did you I guess, why did you decide to write
the book. Was it to contact those other parts of yourself,
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earlier parts of yourself. I need to get this out.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Or what a little bit of that, A little bit
about this was going to be an avenue for my healing.
I don't know that I initially thought I'm going to
publish this. I had just initially was like, I'm going
to write this down. But then I think as I
was kind of moving through it, I realized that what
was happening was that I was I was writing from
the trenches. So you know, I'm deep in the middle
(18:28):
of that messy part of healing, right like where I'm
confronting old stories and rewriting them and creating new ones.
And so there's this push pull that's constantly happening within me.
And every trauma memoir I've read has kind of ended,
like they go through the trauma of what happened to them,
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and then it stops. And then that's kind of like
where like survival and kind of all of the fallout
from the trauma really starts. And that's not necessarily always
covered in those books, but that's usually where kind of
the clinical books pick up and kind of fill that void, right,
And what I wanted was to offer a voice from
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inside the trenches, from inside the messy middle, to go, hey,
every contradiction, you're going to push up against everything that
you're like, well, this does not make sense. That makes
you human. That is your humanness on full display. And
it's not something to convince yourself that you're broken about,
because none of us are broken. We are just operating
(19:33):
under a story. And when we start to kind of
see our contradictions and we start to see our own humanity,
those stories can change.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And so then.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's really whatever Woven ultimately came about was that I
decided to publish it because I wanted. I wanted the
book that I was looking for, which is the like,
what is it like to be in the messy middle?
What is the mind like in the messy middle? And
what is what.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Does it feel like? What is it like navigating that tension?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And very much throughout this book you stay entirely in
my mind, and so you get a front row seat
to all of my contradictions, all of my humanity, all
of the ways in which I am trying to heal,
and I'm putting that out in real time for you
to see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You talked earlier in the interview here, you talked about
hesitancy of being seen being visible. Did you to what
degree were you sharing your process with friends, relatives, family members.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Talking about even earlier, kind of earlier as you were
like going through before the book.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah. No, so no one knew my story.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
My sister is seven years older than me, and so
she had moved out of the house by the time
that the sexual abuse had begun, and she didn't know
about it. No one said anything to her, no one
talked about it. It was never anything that was discussed,
you know, very much a we sweep this under the
rug and pretend it never happened kind of situation. So
even my own sister didn't know what I experienced until
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twenty eighteen. My husband, who has been in my life
for the last fourteen years, he waited a decade to
hear my whole story because I didn't feel safe sharing
any of those because I thought I would be rejected.
I thought, you who, He's going to see me and
think like, she's so messy. I don't know that I
(21:41):
can handle that kind of mess And at every turn
he showed me that's not who he was. But when
it came to writing Ever Woven, the first day that
I actually had started writing, I'll never forget it because
I it took me forty five minutes to tell my husband, Hey, so.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm doing this thing.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I'm writing this down and it's coming out really easily.
It took me forty five minutes because I was deeply embarrassed,
and the only way that I could do it was
by like basically I hidden my hoodie like the whole time,
Like I was just like, please don't judge me, Please
don't think I'm a terrible person, because I'm doing this
because embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
At what at the writing or what had occurred, or
what was the what we embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
The audacity, In my mind, it was the audacity.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Like you could write a book, that I could write
a book.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So it was the it felt like
arrogance at the beginning. And then as I watched the
book of all that arrogance faded into shame because there
was a lot of my life sitting on the page,
and so that brought up some old wounds that I
had to face, and then shame faded into pride and
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now what exists and what's going into the world in
October is the most honest thing that I've ever created
in my entire life. And next to my son and
my marriage, this is the thing I'm the most proud of.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You, Megan, exude that what you just said. You exude
this authenticity, this, this presence, this ability to be in
the moment of you know, and and and connect with
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what you've gone through and to be able to bring
it out and share with us. Not everyone can do that.
It's it takes a lot of I think, a lot
of courage, a lot of guts, a lot of having
done a certain amount of work, I believe, But you know,
(23:54):
you you exude it. You can I can feel it.
It's amazing, it's really and it's powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it's powerful.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm deeply honored. That's so nice of you to say
thank you. And I'm working on taking compliments.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, practice No, that's that's that's awesome. But
it's true, you know, and it's really cool that I
get to interview someone like you who really exemplifies what
I hope my podcast is about be able to connect
with people who are like that. So excuse me. Yeah,
(24:27):
you're welcome. So what do you aside from the book,
what are you doing how professionally?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, so I work as an embodiment coach, So working
with women who've experienced trauma, who may or may not
be going through talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's not a requirement.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm not obviously, I'm not handling that component. That's not
what I'm qualified for. My job is really to help
women feel into their bodies and realize that their body
isn't it isn't something to be feared, It isn't the enemy.
It didn't betray them, even though we oftentimes think that
after trauma, we don't understand why our body acts the
(25:05):
way that it does, and so it feels like it's,
you know, not in our control and.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like it's doing its own thing.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But what it is is the body is deeply loyal
and it's following the scripts that kept us safe because
they kept us safe.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And so it's about teaching the.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Body that this where we are right now isn't that
so it isn't the thing that we went through. And
so that takes a lot of time, it takes a
lot of practice, and so that's really my job is
to really help people to kind of feel into their bodies,
to notice the weight of their feet in their shoes
and not immediately want to check out and like come
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back into their head, but to actually stay with the
sensation or the absence of sensation and let that be enough.
Because every time that we come back to our bodies,
we're building self trust, We're showing that, hey, the story
and the proof that my body is giving me of
what I'm experiencing right now is what I'm experiencing right now,
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not I'm what I'm thinking or telling myself in my mind.
And for me, embodiment was really the first stage of
feeling safe. So I started my yoga practice about fifteen
years ago when I left my now ex husband, and
for me, yoga was just a place to be on
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my mat to be with other people, but to know
that no one was going to be able to talk
to me or come up to me. Like during that
sixty minutes I got to be alone, but with people,
and that was at the time, that was what I
really needed. But as I kind of moved through yoga,
I noticed that there were people who just kind of
like did whatever they wanted. They'd take shavasna the whole time,
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or they were doing different poses, and I was like,
they're breaking the rules. That's not allowed, like, oh my god,
you know, and so I would judge them right, And
then I realized, wait a minute, they're doing yoga. They're
doing the real yoga because they're listening to what their
body is calling for where I'm performing for the teacher,
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and that switched a.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Lot for me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Very very cool. Once again, the book is called ever
Woven a Reckoning. All right, Megan, how do people learn
more about you? Reach out to you? What's the best way?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, So you can find me on my website Meganmargario
dot com, or you can find me on TikTok and
Instagram at Megan Underscore Margario.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The last name spelled m A R G H E
R I O.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Always helpful, and I'm on Facebook, but I don't do
much there, so I would highly recommend Instagram or TikTok
being the places to check me out.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Got it? Okay, we'll have that linked up here at
the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Megan,
love to have you back. You're amazing. I know there's
a lot we haven't even touched upon, but best of
luck with the book and Jesus, you're so inspiring. Really,
thank you, thank you, it's the truth. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, thank you. It's been an honor and a privilege.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
All right, take care,
Welcome to the Trauma Theripis Podcast. My name is Ga Macpherson.
I interview incredible people who dedicated their lives to helping
those who have been impacted by trauma. Here we go,
So five, four, three, two and one. All right, folks,
welcome back to the podcast. They're very excited to have
my guest today, Megan Margerio. Meghan, welcome, Hi, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's nice to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Awesome. So. Meghan is a trauma informed coach, writer, speaker,
and yoga instructor based in Saint Louis a survivor of
childhood sexual abuse and intimate partner violence. She helps women
reconnect to their bodies and in her wisdom through somatic practices, coaching,
and storytelling. Her debut memoir, Ever Woven a Reckoning, comes
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out in October twenty twenty five. Megan, is it Saint
Louis or Saint Louis?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Saint Louis?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Okay, it's one of to reveal my ignorance before we
get going, share with our listeners where you're from originally
and where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
So, originally, I'm from a really small town in mid
Missouri of population of fifty five called Middlegrove, Missouri, deep
in the heartland, so surrounded by an Amish community on
one side and farms on the other, so.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Very very much out in the middle of nowhere. And
then now live in Saint Louis.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I've lived here for about almost twenty years, but getting
ready at some point to kind of pick up and
head to the West coast.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Actually, and I'll be heading to Seattle soon.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Oh so awesome.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yeah, so a little bit of transition.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Happening, all right, So let's dive in here. You've got
a book coming out again, Everwoven Reckoning. But how did
all this start for you?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
So I've had the idea for writing a book kind
of playing in the back of my mind for a
really long time, and it's something that I've always toyed
with but always resisted at the same time. So the
resistance was very strong because I have to be visible,
which is kind of the thing I didn't want to be.
But then also I just really didn't know what I
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was going to say, and so the idea, you know,
kind of just kept percolating in my head and I'd
push it away, and then I'd come back and I'd
push it away and then this this time, when I
actually sat down to write it, it was because I
thought to myself, well, what would I even say? And
when I asked that second follow up question, which I'd
never asked before, the words just flooded. And so it
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was like the book came already formed to me. I'd been,
I guess, in the back of my mind or on
the walls of my mind, been writing the words to
this book for years, and I was just finally at
a place that I felt safe enough in my story,
safe enough in my healing to actually be able to
not only hold it, but be able to then present
it out to the world.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Okay, that is the general response. Now let's dive a
little deeper here. When I wanta how did this whole
process journey start for you? That's what I want to
ask you?
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Got it so odd?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Go backstory in details?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, So, I, like you said, I am a survivor
of childhood sexual abuse and intimate partner violence, and so
a lot of trauma work, a lot a lot of
trauma work has been done, a lot of decades of
ignoring what was screaming out from the inside of me,
begging to be seen heard.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
There was this emptiness that was in me that I
couldn't fill.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
No matter how many times I tried to do something
on the outside, whether that was some level of achievement
or just high functioning kind of ability, I couldn't fill
whatever was kind of in me. And what I found
was that what I was missing, this emptiness that was
kind of coming from me, was really it wasn't the
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absence of love because I'm unlovable, which was the story
I was telling myself. It was the absence of self
love because I'd been taught that I was unlovable and
that distinction changed everything.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
For well plus right there, because that's major.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yes, So.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Walk me through that again.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, So a little bit of.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Kind of like what you said, like my backstory, So
was I survived childhood sexual abuse from a adopted kind
of child that came into our family. I don't refer
Tom as brother, but an adopted sibling that came into
our family. And so I was abused from ages eleven
to fourteen, and then I went and my first husband
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was abusive as well, and so from the ages of
twenty one to twenty eight, I was experiencing intimate partner
violence as well.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
So a lot.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
So the first twenty eight years of my life carried
a lot of heaviness inside all of that was also
some suicidal ideation and just like deep self loathing, deep
self blame, and I had to kind of dig myself
out of this darkness that I was sitting in. And
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when it kind of started to click for me was
that I was constantly looking for external validation, external things
to make this hole that was inside me feel full,
so that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
I were you seeking out therapy or not?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Initially no, so yes.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
So for the first gosh, like so I would say
about ten years, I didn't. I just kind of was
like white knuckling it through life. After everything had ended,
I was really trying to just like push it aside
and be like, well, it's over, I don't need to
(05:57):
deal with that anymore, like, and it just kept coming
back around in different ways and the ways that I
was unable to show up for myself, the ways that
I didn't think I deserved to get to show up
for myself, the ways that like when people tried to love.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Me, I couldn't let that in.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And eventually it all kind of just came to a
head and I knew I had to do something. And
it was my son who was kind of the impetus
for going into therapy, but he was also the impetus
for why I got out of this intimate partner violence situation.
And so so in so many ways, like my.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Son, when you say he was the impetus for getting
into therapy, are you talking about like, oh my god,
I've got a kid, I've got to get my stuff
together and deal with it or what.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
No, So there was this singular moment, and I can
I vividly remember it. A lot of like my life,
she'll see in the book, A lot of my life
tends to happen in my closet inexplicably. I don't really
know why, but I actually wrote part of the book
in my closet. But I just happened to be in
my closet at the time and the door was closed.
My son was thirteen at the time, and he came
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and he was like knocking on the door, and he
was mad about something. And I can't remember what it
was he was mad about, but it was unfair and
he you know, and so he was yelling about how
unfair something was, and then something happened and my body
locked into place, and I couldn't move, and I didn't
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hear my son's voice through the door anymore. I heard
my ex husband's voice through the door, crystal clear, perfect,
and it froze me, like that's why I locked in place.
I froze because it all came back. Everything came like
a flood back to me. And so what started as
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just like this crystal clear auditory hallucination or you know,
like flashback, then went into like images kind of just
cycling through, and then just as fast as it came,
it was gone.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I was back standing in that closet.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
My son's still yelling at me, and I started just trembling,
and I fell to the floor of my closet, and
I thought, I cannot mother my son if I am
worried that he's gonna sound like his dad, and I
need to handle that like that comes to me.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
And so I spent the rest of the.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Night looking for therapists and well first making sure I
wasn't like like needing to be checked in somewhere because
I was deeply concerned about what.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
I from that dad.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, And then I found a therapist that night, called
her the next morning, and I got into therapy like
a week or so later, because she was brand new
to her.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
To the to the group that she was with, which
meant she had wide open books.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
So right, wow, pause it damn intense. I mean, thank
you so much for shit learn that and that is
just so much in there. My god. So how old
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were you at that time?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
So I was thirty eight then, and that's what that's
what prompted me to go into therapy, And so I
started talk therapy at that point, and then through talk
therapy we got a lot of stuff uncovered, like, uh,
you know, I have CPTSD, which obviously isn't that surprising,
but anyway, so and then just kind of learning how
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to navigate that and that diagnosis was helpful because it
helped to explain a lot of the things that I
was experiencing, but also just normalized it a lot more
so I didn't.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Feel so isolated.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
But then from talk therapy, that led me into things
like ketamine therapy, which was really helpful and accelerated a.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Lot of my healing. Yeah, R was really helpful.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Trauma sensitive yoga has been incredibly helpful. So just like
a lot of modalities that I've been able to try
because I'm very lucky and very privileged in that way,
and so being able to try these things and see
how they've made a difference for me, and in the
five years since then, I have fundamentally changed my life.
(10:24):
Like everything about my life is different. I am different.
I don't know. I just walk through the world holding
myself a little bit more and not asking for the
world to.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Take pieces away from me to make it easier.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
You have this really incredible way of articulating your feelings
and it's very graphic in the sense of producing images,
and it's pretty amazing. So what were you doing for work?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
So I Yeah, so I was a teacher.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
So initially started my career in education, I worked with
primarily gifted learners, so those who were intellectually gifted, so
working with them on building social skills and creativity. Worked
with a lot of people, a lot of kids that
were on that autism spectrum.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
And so that was kind of my primary job.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
I did that for about fifteen years and then I
got burnt out, and so in the middle of doing
all this therapy work, I was also dealing with extreme
burnout from teaching through the pandemic and kind of coming
out of that in everything, and so I ended my
career teaching high schoolers, but I've taught everything from kindergarten
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all the way through. The bulk of my career was
spent actually teaching middle school, which is kind of like
the weirdest group, as everybody says, but my favorites, but
I'm biased, didn't think that they're special. But anyway, so
I left education and I spent the last couple of
years trying to really kind of figure out who I
am now that I get to actually live out in
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the world as me and stop trying to please other people,
stop trying to shield myself from what isn't actually there.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
And so once I was able.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
To kind of do that, I found trauma sensitive yoga
and became a trauma sensitive yoga coach and facilitator, And
so I've been able to use that to then work
with women who've experienced trauma on embodiment strategies, so and
then added in semantics, added in meditation and mindfulness and stuff,
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so I now can work with women who just need
to be able to feel in their body and know
that they can and that it's still possible and that
they don't have to be a floating head.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
All day long.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Let me just remind everyone speaking with Megan Margerio. Her
book is called Ever Woven Reckoning. It's coming out in
October twenty five. So all right, let's kind of go
back to the book here and dive in. When did
you realize you wanted or and or needed to write
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the book?
Speaker 3 (13:14):
So earlier? Actually this year. So I actually wrote the
book in February. It took thirty two days to write
because I wrote it NonStop. I've never I have ADHD
so hyper focus and I can get along really well,
but this was an extra level of hyper focus. So
I was focusing for about twelve hours a day, every
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single day, for thirty two days straight.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
And out of that came ever Woven.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And like I said, the book itself was already kind
of like formed in my mind. It was just the
it was the process of actually going through it. And
so the structure of the book is that the it's
a conversation. Each chapter is kind of a conversation between
myself and the press, like the past version of me
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who lived it, so little me, team me, twenties, me,
thirties me all kind of get to share their stories
and so for me, that was really important is that
I wanted to honor these versions of myself that I
ran from for so long and that I kind of
just tucked away and was like, I can't deal with
you because I have to keep moving forward. And now
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I was at a place where I could kind of
deal with them.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And why was that? Why was that important to be
able to do that.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Because it felt like such a I don't know, it
felt like such a misrepresentation of my entire life to
just keep ignoring them and to keep their stories like
talk aside where only I knew them and I didn't
even want to look at them, and so it just
it kind of just felt like that I was making
them disappear, and that isn't don't I don't want parts
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of myself to disappear when I'm going through a process
to try to reclaim parts of myself through my healing.
And so this was really critical and paramount actually to
me being able to kind of I think progress in
my healing was being able to get to this place
where I could kind of talk to these versions of
myself and kind of like truly like I dialogue with them.
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And so that's what that first like at the beginning
and ending of each chapter, that's what I'm doing. My
present self is dialoguing with those past selves.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
And then in the middle, it's a.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Series of vignettes that are just memories that that version
of me that I worked really hard to channel from
the floor of my closet, where I wanted them to
be able to tell their stories in their words, and
so those were dictated into my phone and then have
been largely left verbatim because I wanted I wanted those
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stories to be honored properly by the one by the
ones who lived it, And so this is kind of
in anyways, it's a love letter to them, in gratitude
for surviving, and not just for surviving, but for protecting
and holding on to the parts of myself that I
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think are the most important, like the fact that I
can still love people and be kind and show up
like those all matter, Like that trauma didn't harden me,
and I don't have me like present me to thank
for that. I have past versions of me to think
for that, because they're the ones who had every reason
in the world to harden and they didn't. And so
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this is kind of my opportunity to really thank them,
but then also for them to kind of confront me.
And so the reason it's called a reckoning is because
there is a chapter where I invite every past version
of myself to kind of like this round table in
my mind where I ask where they are allowed to
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fire at will. They get to ask me the questions
why did you abandon me? Why didn't you think my
truth was worthy of you? Why didn't you listen when
I was calling for you? Why wasn't I worth your attention?
Like these questions that hurt to hear, right, but also
are things that I needed to I.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Needed to acknowledge.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I needed to acknowledge my own self abandonment and my
own self erasure so that I could stop doing those things.
And so I could also prove to myself that I
could stay, that I could hold myself, that I could
hold them, that I could hold their stories, and that
I was worthy of that trust. And so that's really
whatever Woven is all about.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Within there, I'm sure there's an answer to the question
I'm going to ask, but I want to ask it
just here. When you decided to write the book, what
did you I guess, why did you decide to write
the book. Was it to contact those other parts of yourself,
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earlier parts of yourself. I need to get this out.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Or what a little bit of that, A little bit
about this was going to be an avenue for my healing.
I don't know that I initially thought I'm going to
publish this. I had just initially was like, I'm going
to write this down. But then I think as I
was kind of moving through it, I realized that what
was happening was that I was I was writing from
the trenches. So you know, I'm deep in the middle
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of that messy part of healing, right like where I'm
confronting old stories and rewriting them and creating new ones.
And so there's this push pull that's constantly happening within me.
And every trauma memoir I've read has kind of ended,
like they go through the trauma of what happened to them,
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and then it stops. And then that's kind of like
where like survival and kind of all of the fallout
from the trauma really starts. And that's not necessarily always
covered in those books, but that's usually where kind of
the clinical books pick up and kind of fill that void, right,
And what I wanted was to offer a voice from
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inside the trenches, from inside the messy middle, to go, hey,
every contradiction, you're going to push up against everything that
you're like, well, this does not make sense. That makes
you human. That is your humanness on full display. And
it's not something to convince yourself that you're broken about,
because none of us are broken. We are just operating
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under a story. And when we start to kind of
see our contradictions and we start to see our own humanity,
those stories can change.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And so then.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That's really whatever Woven ultimately came about was that I
decided to publish it because I wanted. I wanted the
book that I was looking for, which is the like,
what is it like to be in the messy middle?
What is the mind like in the messy middle? And
what is what.
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Does it feel like? What is it like navigating that tension?
Speaker 3 (20:02):
And very much throughout this book you stay entirely in
my mind, and so you get a front row seat
to all of my contradictions, all of my humanity, all
of the ways in which I am trying to heal,
and I'm putting that out in real time for you
to see.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You talked earlier in the interview here, you talked about
hesitancy of being seen being visible. Did you to what
degree were you sharing your process with friends, relatives, family members.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Yeah, and I'm.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Talking about even earlier, kind of earlier as you were
like going through before the book.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah. No, so no one knew my story.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
My sister is seven years older than me, and so
she had moved out of the house by the time
that the sexual abuse had begun, and she didn't know
about it. No one said anything to her, no one
talked about it. It was never anything that was discussed,
you know, very much a we sweep this under the
rug and pretend it never happened kind of situation. So
even my own sister didn't know what I experienced until
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twenty eighteen. My husband, who has been in my life
for the last fourteen years, he waited a decade to
hear my whole story because I didn't feel safe sharing
any of those because I thought I would be rejected.
I thought, you who, He's going to see me and
think like, she's so messy. I don't know that I
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can handle that kind of mess And at every turn
he showed me that's not who he was. But when
it came to writing Ever Woven, the first day that
I actually had started writing, I'll never forget it because
I it took me forty five minutes to tell my husband, Hey, so.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I'm doing this thing.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
I'm writing this down and it's coming out really easily.
It took me forty five minutes because I was deeply embarrassed,
and the only way that I could do it was
by like basically I hidden my hoodie like the whole time,
Like I was just like, please don't judge me, Please
don't think I'm a terrible person, because I'm doing this
because embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
At what at the writing or what had occurred, or
what was the what we embarrassed?
Speaker 2 (22:24):
The audacity, In my mind, it was the audacity.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Like you could write a book, that I could write
a book.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Okay, yeah, yeah, So it was the it felt like
arrogance at the beginning. And then as I watched the
book of all that arrogance faded into shame because there
was a lot of my life sitting on the page,
and so that brought up some old wounds that I
had to face, and then shame faded into pride and
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now what exists and what's going into the world in
October is the most honest thing that I've ever created
in my entire life. And next to my son and
my marriage, this is the thing I'm the most proud of.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
You, Megan, exude that what you just said. You exude
this authenticity, this, this presence, this ability to be in
the moment of you know, and and and connect with
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what you've gone through and to be able to bring
it out and share with us. Not everyone can do that.
It's it takes a lot of I think, a lot
of courage, a lot of guts, a lot of having
done a certain amount of work, I believe, But you know,
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you you exude it. You can I can feel it.
It's amazing, it's really and it's powerful.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
Yeah, it's powerful.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
I'm deeply honored. That's so nice of you to say
thank you. And I'm working on taking compliments.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah yeah, yeah, practice No, that's that's that's awesome. But
it's true, you know, and it's really cool that I
get to interview someone like you who really exemplifies what
I hope my podcast is about be able to connect
with people who are like that. So excuse me. Yeah,
(24:27):
you're welcome. So what do you aside from the book,
what are you doing how professionally?
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, so I work as an embodiment coach, So working
with women who've experienced trauma, who may or may not
be going through talk therapy.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
It's not a requirement.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
I'm not obviously, I'm not handling that component. That's not
what I'm qualified for. My job is really to help
women feel into their bodies and realize that their body
isn't it isn't something to be feared, It isn't the enemy.
It didn't betray them, even though we oftentimes think that
after trauma, we don't understand why our body acts the
(25:05):
way that it does, and so it feels like it's,
you know, not in our control and.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Like it's doing its own thing.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But what it is is the body is deeply loyal
and it's following the scripts that kept us safe because
they kept us safe.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
And so it's about teaching the.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Body that this where we are right now isn't that
so it isn't the thing that we went through. And
so that takes a lot of time, it takes a
lot of practice, and so that's really my job is
to really help people to kind of feel into their bodies,
to notice the weight of their feet in their shoes
and not immediately want to check out and like come
(25:42):
back into their head, but to actually stay with the
sensation or the absence of sensation and let that be enough.
Because every time that we come back to our bodies,
we're building self trust, We're showing that, hey, the story
and the proof that my body is giving me of
what I'm experiencing right now is what I'm experiencing right now,
(26:05):
not I'm what I'm thinking or telling myself in my mind.
And for me, embodiment was really the first stage of
feeling safe. So I started my yoga practice about fifteen
years ago when I left my now ex husband, and
for me, yoga was just a place to be on
(26:27):
my mat to be with other people, but to know
that no one was going to be able to talk
to me or come up to me. Like during that
sixty minutes I got to be alone, but with people,
and that was at the time, that was what I
really needed. But as I kind of moved through yoga,
I noticed that there were people who just kind of
like did whatever they wanted. They'd take shavasna the whole time,
(26:48):
or they were doing different poses, and I was like,
they're breaking the rules. That's not allowed, like, oh my god,
you know, and so I would judge them right, And
then I realized, wait a minute, they're doing yoga. They're
doing the real yoga because they're listening to what their
body is calling for where I'm performing for the teacher,
(27:09):
and that switched a.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Lot for me.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Very very cool. Once again, the book is called ever
Woven a Reckoning. All right, Megan, how do people learn
more about you? Reach out to you? What's the best way?
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yeah, So you can find me on my website Meganmargario
dot com, or you can find me on TikTok and
Instagram at Megan Underscore Margario.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
The last name spelled m A R G H E
R I O.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Always helpful, and I'm on Facebook, but I don't do
much there, so I would highly recommend Instagram or TikTok
being the places to check me out.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Got it? Okay, we'll have that linked up here at
the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Megan,
love to have you back. You're amazing. I know there's
a lot we haven't even touched upon, but best of
luck with the book and Jesus, you're so inspiring. Really,
thank you, thank you, it's the truth. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Well, thank you. It's been an honor and a privilege.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
All right, take care,
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