August 28, 2025 • 32 mins
Christina Kantzavelos is a neurodivergent, and first-generation (third culture) Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW), life coach, writer and chronic illness warrior. She received both her BA and MSW from the University of California Los Angeles (UCLA) and her MLIS from San Jose State University (SJSU).
Caitlan Siegenthaler loves helping people unlock the brightest, most authentic version of themselves—a passion that led her to earn a Master’s Degree and train as an Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapist.With over 10 years of experience in the therapy industry, Caitlan has reimagined her work to combine IFS Therapy and Human Design strategies, supporting entrepreneurs in growing their businesses.
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Caitlan Siegenthaler loves helping people unlock the brightest, most authentic version of themselves—a passion that led her to earn a Master’s Degree and train as an Internal Family Systems (IFS) Therapist.With over 10 years of experience in the therapy industry, Caitlan has reimagined her work to combine IFS Therapy and Human Design strategies, supporting entrepreneurs in growing their businesses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the special guest host series of The Trauma
Theaver's podcast, where I'm going to be handing over to
Mike to some incredible guest hosts. In each episode, you'll
hear fresh perspectives and unique insights to inform and inspire you,
all the while keeping the heart of this podcast alive.
So sit back and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm so excited to have you on here today.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, thank you so much for the invitation. And I
always love chatting with you, so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And yeah, this is this is a I guess a
part of the of the field that's that's so new
and so cool, And this is one of my favorite
tools in self discovery in the recent past, and it
continued like as I learn more, I continue to learn
(00:48):
more about myself and how I relate to the world
and to my work, to everything. And I've even had
session with you and it's just we'll go into it.
Tell us, like how tell us about your path and
how you ended up here with human design at the
intersection of human design and mental health.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, thank you for that question.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I feel like the ultimate lens is like self
discovery and just getting to know ourselves and our parts better.
And the way I ended up here actually was via
a client. So I've always had like a personal interest
in human design from the moment I heard about it
in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and so I personally was
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like researching it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
At first, I was like, what is this? I don't
understand and it took me.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
A little while to digest it. And then once I
the more I learned, it was like I just couldn't
get enough.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I couldn't get enough. But I kept it really personal,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I wasn't like doing anything with it work wise at all, whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I think it was so I continued to learn.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I bought all the books and I studied like very
projector style if anyone is familiar with human design. I
just kept taking in information. And then it had to
be twenty twenty one. I had a client that i'd
been seeing, I had it in therapy, and she goes, hey,
my friend gifted me a human design reading for my birthday.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Have you ever heard of it? And I was like, yes,
please tell me more.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And she was talking about it and she said, can
I send you parts of the reading? It was really
powerful and it unlocked this particular piece for her that
we'd been kind of circling around through some more like
IFS work, and after she sent it to me and
we started to integrate that into our sessions, I felt
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like it was this entire new portal to healing and
to her parts seeing her in a different way. Right,
So when we think about, like, what are parts of us?
And I'll use a lot of parts language because I'm
also trained in IFS and I like IFS as a model.
(03:08):
It resonates with my system. But when we have parts
of us that see us in one particular way and
then they get this new piece of information about us
that's kind of coming from like a third party, it's
really like this moment where it's like, huh, that story
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that I was holding about me, or that story that
I was making meaning about, or that event that impacted
me so greatly, But I felt some kind of way
about human design kind of gives you a new perspective
on that. And a lot of us in the self
discovery space are interested in being our authentic selves in
(03:54):
the world, and human design is like, hey, here's a
user manual for you on how to do that, And
I think that's really cool. There's something about the visual
component of the chart too that's pretty powerful. So thanks
to my client, that's how I started to bring it
into the work. And then it took me so long
(04:15):
to actually kind of own it publicly because then here
and there, I would like mention it to a client
or we talk about astrology a little bit, and then
they tell me about human design, and they were kind
of bringing it to me.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And it wasn't until twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
May.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I was pregnant and I was like, Okay, I'm just
gonna put this on my.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Psychology today profile. But I also like incorporating human.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Design, and I got some clients that were interested in that,
and so I was kind of playing with.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Combining them.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And then after I had my son at the end
of twenty twenty three and I went on maternity leave,
I was like, this is the thing, Like this is
helping people in a way that I can't deny, and
it just resonates so much with my system, and people
are like having these epiphanies and and breaking.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Through kind of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So yeah, I'm so grateful to that client, and I'm
so grateful to everything that's led me to this place, and.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's kind of how it all started.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, that's how it goes. Everything happens for a reason.
I mean I say it, yeah, yeah, Like nothing's by
accident in this way in this regard. And you know what,
you know, what kind of person or client usually finds you.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's such a great question.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think they are clients that are really curious just
about themselves and about the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
World, and they are.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Heavily focused on relationship, like I do a lot of
relational work, and they are feeling stuck in some kind
of way, like they've gotten to a certain level with
self discovery and it's like they're they're hitting a brick wall,
you know, they're like, I've talked about this in therapy.
I'm not I'm sort of just like at this point,
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but I know there's more to discover, and that's when
we usually find each other. And it's like then there's
a little bit of magic because it's just like this
totally new portal and totally new opportunity.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
To see that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I will say, and I have very logical parts too,
so they were my parts are like very skeptical of
human design.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I was like, wait a second, this.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
White guy named raw went out into the woods and
like downloaded this and this is the origin of human design, right,
and it's actually a system of systems. So I was
really skeptical, and I find that my clients have like
a healthy dose of skepticism but are also bin to.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Learning a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And I think, yeah, it's like that both and that
we love to say so much as therapist.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that paradox in a way. And
also it's it's fun to believe. And also like it's
one of those things like who can deny when something
helps helps propel us forward, gets us unstuck, right, and
just at the very least like gives us a different
perspective and view on things that we may not otherwise
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receive thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I think what's so powerful is like like with anything,
once you have that information, it's like you have it,
like you can't go back.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I'll use myself as an example.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I'm a projector in human design, which is about
twenty percent of the population, and projectors are like, we
don't have as much energy as like the general population,
and we're meant to use our energy and like a
guide specific way and for before I knew anything about
human design, I had a part that was like, girl.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You're lazy, Like you can't keep.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Up, You're so lazy, what are you doing? You need
to rest all the time, like it was, and it
was pretty mean to me. Once I learned about human design,
it was like, hmmm, it couldn't really hang on to
that belief anymore because it had a new perspective. And
that's kind of that piece that I'm talking about. That's
like new information, new perspective, and all of a sudden,
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that stuck energy, that stuckness is like flowing and moving again.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And like, so you know you're using you're using IFS,
you're using human design. It's also like it also I
feel like compliments some trauma healing, both of those, right,
I mean, we know we know about IFS internal family
systems and what it can do, Like tell us a
little bit more and like what you what you see
(08:58):
on that level in your work?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, around trauma you mean, yeah, yeah, I think what
I see is that in the same way that we
can build a relationship with our parts, our parts can
build a relationship with our human design chart. So what
I mean by that is like now my parts know
I'm a projector, and all of a sudden, the belief
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the impact of the like trauma, really that I didn't
fit in and that I was lazy, and like there
were specific things that happened to me kind of growing up.
I played competitive sports and I had a really abusive coach,
and so that was some of the internalized like beliefs
from that like ongoing traumatic relationship. And then when when
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human design came into my life, it was like those
parts couldn't quite hold on to his words anymore to
how he viewed me.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Because they had a completely different perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And so that's what I see with my clients too,
is people having these like breakthroughs around trauma or around
things that they've been carrying, even energetically, when there's like
a solid map of like, hey, if you're open to it,
this is who you are, how you are uniquely designed
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to show up in the world. These are the gifts
you're bringing in. And if that's out of alignment with
the stories you've told yourself, the things that you've been holding,
maybe we can look at that together.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And so I like to.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Say that it is like this whole other portal to
accessing that, and I really see a lot of clients
finding an empowered viewpoint of themselves or like in ifs,
there's this saying that we as a therapist, we want
to be like the hope merchant for our clients. I
(10:57):
feel like your chart can do that. You know, your
chart can give you hope. Your chart can kind of
give you this map of Hey, Christina, this is who
you are. This is the power and the gifts that
you are bringing into this world. This is how you
can live a fully expressed life. These are all of
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the things.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And human design is also an experiment, so I think
it's fun to like experiment with it and take the
pressure off of yourself. And I use a little bit
of humor in my therapy, and I find that human
design like if we add the levity element of experimentation,
it's like kind of that same idea of like trauma
is so serious and so difficult and so intense and
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rightfully so. And there's something about empowerment and levity and
those things too that I find, at least for me
personally and for people that are drawn to my work,
just really open something up. Now, Like the world is
heavy enough there pretty heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's really like, yeah, we going to make it heavier
and this and this does light in the load. You know.
I felt similar to like when I found out, like
later in life, AUDIHD, and that was like huge for
me because there was such a It was so it
was so validating to understand why why I was the
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way I was throughout my life perfectly imperfect like I
had you know, I had challenges and in various aspects
of my life, and had I known that information, I
probably would have related with it very differently. There would
have been more self acceptance, and that's what happened with it.
With the diagnosis, it felt very empowering and free, and
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I want to share that is totally how I felt
with human design as well. Like the moment I found
out I was a manifestor, I was like, okay, okay, okay,
I get it now. And sometimes I'm like, dang, if
I would have had that little information when I was
when I was younger, I'm so curious what my life
(13:09):
would have looked like. But there's such a feeling of
validation and empowerment when you learn about In my opinion,
and I think most people agree about your design and
you really utilize your strengths. I think it is based
on a strengths based theory and model where you're like, okay, Like,
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because I'm a manifest I mean we haven't gone you know,
maybe you can briefly explain the difference of all of them.
But because I'm a manifestor're like, I'm really supposed to
just jumpstart things and pass the baton. So like hiring
an assistant was the best thing I could have done
for my business but my whole life I was like
hyper independent, must do everything. I wonder why I got sick,
(13:51):
and that was another thing in my meeting with you
is like kind of understanding too, the ways in which
you know, I was unconsciously subconsciously harming myself because I
was trying to fit into like the generator, like with
the generator population or the neurotypical population in the other
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the other sense. So I just want to share that
because it's huge, and I'm sure, yeah, you want to
speak to that at all.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Well, thank you for sharing that. I do think it's huge.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I've found so many clients that do find it really
validating and like really helpful to accepting ourselves and instead
of trying to fit into whatever mold society has given
us and we think we need to fit in. Human
design is like, nah, babe, let me expand that there
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is no mold, because this is uniquely who you are
and how you're meant to show up in the world,
and these are your gifts and.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
This is your energy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And it does, to your point too, help us realize
even subconsciously what we're taking in energetic, what we're taking
in from society, and it kind of does just help
with that return to like authenticity and and empowerment. So
I do think it's it's so helpful in that way
(15:14):
and so powerful and pretty accurate. I mean about a month,
a little over a month ago, I did a human
design reading for doctor Richard Schwartz, who founded IFS and.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Was really cool to do.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The like quote that he said that still sticks with
me is like this is so remarkably accurate, Like this
is so wild. I think in the reading he was
like did you get this from my birthday? And like,
you know, like how do you like kind of creeped out,
but also so helpful and to your point, it's like
who would we have been if we I wonder who
(15:52):
I would have been if as a child I knew
like this is what you're meant to be doing. This
is and the adults around me knew too, Oh that's
the other thing as well, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And did he note I'm curious, did he notice how
parts work fits into the human design model?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
A million percent?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like he's been very supportive of the work since then,
and I'm really grateful to him. And the whole time
we were talking about like, oh and he's obviously like
done a lot of work on himself and uses parts
work on the daily, So it was less about working
with his parts, but more about like a historical look
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back and like oh, yeah, that's this part and that part.
And that's what's so cool too, I think is I
asked a client the other day in a session, like.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do your parts know you're a manifestor you no?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like yeah, And it was so powerful and they had
even messaged me about it later of like why I
keep returning to that question because even when we in
twenty twenty ourselves our capital f self capital capital s
when we know that that's one thing, but if parts
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are still coming up and they have no idea about
this empowering view of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That changes the game too, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean I feel like you asked me, you spoke
to me with that question. Yeah, like journal and ponder
about that because we have so many parts.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We have so many parts more.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Than others and show up more than others. And to
really have a sit down, I say, in the living
room with the parts, we have a living room in
our head and okay, guys, today we're going to learn
how to radically accept the fact that I am a
manifestor and this is what it looks like, this is
what it means because I still I know, I still
have parts that are like like a.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Generator, you know, totally shut up.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Mask it up to survive. And it's like I don't
have to do that anymore. I did for a long time.
I don't. I don't actually have to do that anymore.
I've been really it takes time. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, the release or like there's more freedom.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
One of the my IFS supervisor taught me this, But
she talks about like choice and how there's so much
freedom and like reminding our parts that we have a
choice and this is part of that freedom too, of
like you have a choice to say, I'm going to
align to my design and experiment with it if that
helps and makes sense. So yeah, there's a lot of
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incredible things that are coming out of this place that
I am just very grateful to be like witnessing and
facilitating in a very small way.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So yeah, Okay, So, like I realized, like we're kind
of speaking as though people just automatically understand human design,
and I apologize for that. If you've made it this
far without knowing much about it, thank you for your curiosity.
But do you want to kind of just quickly explain
a little bit about human design and if someone wants
to learn what their profile is and all of that,
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how they go about it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, thank you for your curiosity and for
staying on board with us as we just like assume.
So human design is a system of systems. It blends
a bunch of systems that are very ancient, like astrology,
like Cabala, the tree of life, like the chakra system,
quantum physics, and so.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Many more things.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And really what I think is it shows us like
how we were uniquely designed to show up in the world.
It is like a map or like a user instruction manual,
and there are a lot of different aspects to a chart.
So I always talk to people like when they're sitting
with me for a reading, I can feel like hieroglyphics.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Or like you know, you're like, what is this.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
There's numbers and colors and shapes and all kinds of
stuff happening. So my first thing is like just stay
open and curious and take it one step at a time.
It's really overwhelming to look at, but the big premise
is that there are five energy types and human design.
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And what I love about it is like when all
of us are living in our design, there's a collective
benefit as well. So when you're living in your true
manifestor energy, we all benefit because you're doing We're like
part of a team, right, because when the five energy
types are doing their like role on the team, then
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every single other energy type benefit. So the energy types
are like I kind of think about it as like
a track.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Let's talk about like running a race. So there are.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The manifestors, which are going to be the people that
like are sprinting off of the blocks at the beginning
of the race. Right, They're like the starters, They're like ready,
set go here, we go, and you even use this
language like and then you hand the baton off to
someone like after maybe one hundred yards, because you just
got us going, and you're going to hand it off
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to probably a manifesting generator. And manifesting generators are the
energy type that are really here to like be curious,
kind of keep the spark going, but they also have
the energy to do a lot of the doing. So
they're running and they're running, and then they're going to
hand the baton off to the generators. And the generators
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are just like so joyful and they have so much
energy and they're going to actually finish the race for us,
and they're like, cool, got you, guys, I'm going to
finish the strong, no problem.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And then projectors are they're the coach.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
They've like organized everyone on the team and they're like, Okay,
you're going to go first, you're going to go second,
you're going to go third, And they're here to guide
use their energy to kind of guide, and projectors have
a really good understanding of like systems and how everyone
should best.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Be doing what they're meant to be doing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And then reflect which are only one percent of the
population they're like in the stands, letting us know how
we're doing as a team and reflecting back to us.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Are we doing things correctly?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Are we are we moving forward in a way that
is well for everyone? And that was like the quickest explanation.
And what I think is really cool about human design
is like there are seventy percent of the population is
manifesting generators and generators because we.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Need the majority of the population.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
To have renewed sacral energy to keep us going as
a society, but we also need the seven percent seven
to nine that manifestors are to initiate and to be
the visionaries and to see where.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
We need to go in the future.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And then of course we need someone like guiding and organizing,
and we need someone evaluating.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And so.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
In a very distilled down version, the best place to
start is with your energy type, and the second best
place to start is with how you're meant to make
decisions according to human design. Those are the two places
that I recommend starting. You can get your chart from
Jovian Archive. It's a great place to start. And if
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you want me to sit with you and decode your chart,
I'm offering right now. It's called the Dip and it's
thirty minutes for free, and all I have to do
is leave a review on my podcast Return, and then
you can book a session and like we could sit
together and I can spend some time with you going
through your chart, which I love doing those because it's
so fun for people to just.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Learn more in a way.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And I will I will bring in a little bit
of parts work too, probably to those.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I hope.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That that was fantastic, you know, it's it is all.
There's so many there's so many parts to human to
human design. Like that's that's like a good That is
like the main and biggest starting starting point, and then
you go on all these different pads. So what a
beautiful offering. And yeah, for those who don't know, you
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have of really fantastic podcasts so called Return, And do
you want to talk about that just for a minute.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Oh thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
My podcast is called Return because I feel I was
put on this planet to help people return to the
best and brightest, most authentic version of themselves, and my
podcast explores all of the topics and tools and ways
to help people do that.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Christina was on my podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We had a fabulous conversation last December, and you'll find
a mix of solo episodes and guest episodes, and it's like, really,
just this fantastic resource library. If this work is of
interest to you, to kind of support that journey, because
my what I know and my experience is that we
already have everything we need inside and we just kind
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of need to clear away the gunk and the clutter
to getting back to like that innate place of self
expression and self acceptance and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
All we just need the support and the reminder right
to to remember to return. And it's cool because I
love I love your podcast for so many reasons, but
also like you bring on some really cool hosts in
the way I found it was through the FI I
was for you arning but the financial Therapist, and I'm like, yeah, Lindsay, yeah,
Lindsay yeah. So you bring on some like really interesting
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folks as well. So I love it. And okay, so
you offer you have your podcast, you offer the Human
Design one on one, and then you also have a
mentorship program.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Correct, yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So the mentorship program is for like therapists, healers, business
owner service providers who want to create like a business
that's based on who they are, their life purpose, because
human design also has a life purpose component that I
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think is underrated. It's called your Incarnation cross and we
spend six months together and it's so I love them.
I love my mentorship clients so much because it's about
like creating the foundation and the safety to bring through
all of your.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Gifts and let that flourish in your business.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And I feel like, especially as service providers, as people
that are showing up for clients all the time, we've
never been taught how to support ourselves and our energy
and our uniqueness. And we might have been taught about it.
Like I don't know about you, Christina, but I in
my graduate program.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
It was like self care. And I can't yeah quote
I self care.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
But go work at an agency and see like thirty
clients a week, nobody.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Like yeah low key get abused.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I was like, this seems not real, Like this
seems like fake to me. And it took me so long. Service, yes,
a thousand percent lip service. And so what I created
in the mentorship program was like what I needed when
I was building my business, you know, and like what
I would have wanted, which was a space to be
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seen as a human, but also guidance and support around
like growing my business and aligning it to what works
best for me and for my energy.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And yeah, that's that's it. Six months.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And there's my favorite part is there's a VIP day
like after the first month, where we either meet up
in person and I pay for your hotel and like
we have brunch and all that fun stuff, or we
do it online. But like, yeah, it's I love like
an IRL meeting too.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I just love the mentorship so much. I can't
I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's in You're where are you based?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So I'm based in Virginia Beach, Virginia, but I work
with each client. So I just did one when I
was in I was just in Denver, Colorado. I just
got back a couple of days ago, and I just
did one. So depending on where clients are located too,
and like I travel quite a bit, we try to
figure it out. So if I'm like coming to a
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city near you and we'll do it that way, or
you can come to me like Washington, DC or somewhere
on the East coast or even denba in there a
lot and or Europe.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I'll be in Europe this winter. So yeah, lots of
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But so so fun. Okay. So for those who are
curious to learn more, how can they? How can do?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
They can find me on Instagram a Caaitlyn Seagin Thaller.
I don't update my Instagram except for stories because I
think it's really fun. But there's a link tree there,
so that will give you access to like my podcast,
my website the other best places to connect with me
or return my podcast. You can find it anywhere you
get podcasts. And then my website, which is just my
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first name and my last name, Kaitlynsiekintholler dot com, and
that will give you information on how to get the
free thirty minutes through the DIP, how to sign up
for the mentorship or apply or like if you just
want to poke around and get more info, that's all
there too.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So yeah, okay, so we'll be sure to link all
of that in the in the show notes down below.
And Kitlin, what is Yeah, the other thing I want
to mention is we have a workshop coming up. Yes,
it's in the works and human design and chronic and
chronic illness because we're both you know, Chronic Illness Thrivers.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
If you will, we are a chronic illness Thrivers And yes, yeah,
such a big fan of your work and just you
as of a human.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So I'm really excited for our collaboration.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Likewise, I think it will help. I mean it's helped
me and understanding, like I said, my health and my
and my energy and my spoons, and I think it's
going to be soful to others as well. So if
there's one thing you wish for whoever is listening or
watching to leave with today, what would that be? What
would that one thing be?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Ooh, I had a parto. No pressure, Kaitlyn, no pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
If there was something I would want one thing I
would want someone to leave with, I would want them
to just remember that they have so many gifts and
such beautiful energy, and they are bringing so much to
this world. And if it feels like it's hard to
access that or they might have forgotten some of that,
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there are so many places that they can go to
kind of remember that, because it's really easy to forget,
especially with all of the noise out there. And that's
what I think I would want them to remember.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, that's so beautiful and in human design. You literally
get a list of gifts. So like, you get a
list of them.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
There are like twenty ish per person.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, it's really incredible actually, and you can go through
each one of them and yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It'll feel like your birthday, trust me, and you're like,
oh cool. You know, and a lot of times you
intuitively knew, but it's just validating you're living.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
You intuitively knew, but some parts of you maybe didn't
hear it or know it. And there's something about externalizing
it and visually seeing it that just brings it up
and into your into your sphere in a way that's
digestible as well.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that feels safe right to your nervousness because those
parts are just trying to protect us basically they are.
That's what they really want at the core. So it's
like we get to we get to let them chill
and soften and let go of the driver's seat wheel,
you know for a moment.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And you get to tell them like, hey, I'm driving
and this is these are all my gifts, Like I
got this, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yes, thank you for being concerned, but I can I
can literally take the wheel. Thank you so much. Caitlin
for for all of this, for your for your wisdom,
for your presence, for just being you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Thank you so much to you and Guy for having me.
This was always a pleasure to chat and I hope
this helps for anyone listening.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Me too, and thank you to all who have listened
and watched. I hope you enjoyed it and definitely go
check check out Caitlin's work because it's really amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Thank you, Take care, M M
Welcome to the special guest host series of The Trauma
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So sit back and enjoy.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
I'm so excited to have you on here today.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, thank you so much for the invitation. And I
always love chatting with you, so I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
And yeah, this is this is a I guess a
part of the of the field that's that's so new
and so cool, And this is one of my favorite
tools in self discovery in the recent past, and it
continued like as I learn more, I continue to learn
(00:48):
more about myself and how I relate to the world
and to my work, to everything. And I've even had
session with you and it's just we'll go into it.
Tell us, like how tell us about your path and
how you ended up here with human design at the
intersection of human design and mental health.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, thank you for that question.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
And I feel like the ultimate lens is like self
discovery and just getting to know ourselves and our parts better.
And the way I ended up here actually was via
a client. So I've always had like a personal interest
in human design from the moment I heard about it
in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, and so I personally was
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like researching it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
At first, I was like, what is this? I don't
understand and it took me.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
A little while to digest it. And then once I
the more I learned, it was like I just couldn't
get enough.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
I couldn't get enough. But I kept it really personal,
you know.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
I wasn't like doing anything with it work wise at all, whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
And I think it was so I continued to learn.
Speaker 3 (01:57):
I bought all the books and I studied like very
projector style if anyone is familiar with human design. I
just kept taking in information. And then it had to
be twenty twenty one. I had a client that i'd
been seeing, I had it in therapy, and she goes, hey,
my friend gifted me a human design reading for my birthday.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Have you ever heard of it? And I was like, yes,
please tell me more.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And she was talking about it and she said, can
I send you parts of the reading? It was really
powerful and it unlocked this particular piece for her that
we'd been kind of circling around through some more like
IFS work, and after she sent it to me and
we started to integrate that into our sessions, I felt
(02:48):
like it was this entire new portal to healing and
to her parts seeing her in a different way. Right,
So when we think about, like, what are parts of us?
And I'll use a lot of parts language because I'm
also trained in IFS and I like IFS as a model.
(03:08):
It resonates with my system. But when we have parts
of us that see us in one particular way and
then they get this new piece of information about us
that's kind of coming from like a third party, it's
really like this moment where it's like, huh, that story
(03:29):
that I was holding about me, or that story that
I was making meaning about, or that event that impacted
me so greatly, But I felt some kind of way
about human design kind of gives you a new perspective
on that. And a lot of us in the self
discovery space are interested in being our authentic selves in
(03:54):
the world, and human design is like, hey, here's a
user manual for you on how to do that, And
I think that's really cool. There's something about the visual
component of the chart too that's pretty powerful. So thanks
to my client, that's how I started to bring it
into the work. And then it took me so long
(04:15):
to actually kind of own it publicly because then here
and there, I would like mention it to a client
or we talk about astrology a little bit, and then
they tell me about human design, and they were kind
of bringing it to me.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
And it wasn't until twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
May.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yeah, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
I was pregnant and I was like, Okay, I'm just
gonna put this on my.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Psychology today profile. But I also like incorporating human.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Design, and I got some clients that were interested in that,
and so I was kind of playing with.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Combining them.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
And then after I had my son at the end
of twenty twenty three and I went on maternity leave,
I was like, this is the thing, Like this is
helping people in a way that I can't deny, and
it just resonates so much with my system, and people
are like having these epiphanies and and breaking.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Through kind of Christmas.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So yeah, I'm so grateful to that client, and I'm
so grateful to everything that's led me to this place, and.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's kind of how it all started.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, that's how it goes. Everything happens for a reason.
I mean I say it, yeah, yeah, Like nothing's by
accident in this way in this regard. And you know what,
you know, what kind of person or client usually finds you.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
That's such a great question.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
I think they are clients that are really curious just
about themselves and about the.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
World, and they are.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Heavily focused on relationship, like I do a lot of
relational work, and they are feeling stuck in some kind
of way, like they've gotten to a certain level with
self discovery and it's like they're they're hitting a brick wall,
you know, they're like, I've talked about this in therapy.
I'm not I'm sort of just like at this point,
(06:20):
but I know there's more to discover, and that's when
we usually find each other. And it's like then there's
a little bit of magic because it's just like this
totally new portal and totally new opportunity.
Speaker 4 (06:34):
To see that.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
And I will say, and I have very logical parts too,
so they were my parts are like very skeptical of
human design.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
I was like, wait a second, this.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
White guy named raw went out into the woods and
like downloaded this and this is the origin of human design, right,
and it's actually a system of systems. So I was
really skeptical, and I find that my clients have like
a healthy dose of skepticism but are also bin to.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Learning a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
And I think, yeah, it's like that both and that
we love to say so much as therapist.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that paradox in a way. And
also it's it's fun to believe. And also like it's
one of those things like who can deny when something
helps helps propel us forward, gets us unstuck, right, and
just at the very least like gives us a different
perspective and view on things that we may not otherwise
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receive thousand percent.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I think what's so powerful is like like with anything,
once you have that information, it's like you have it,
like you can't go back.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I'll use myself as an example.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So I'm a projector in human design, which is about
twenty percent of the population, and projectors are like, we
don't have as much energy as like the general population,
and we're meant to use our energy and like a
guide specific way and for before I knew anything about
human design, I had a part that was like, girl.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
You're lazy, Like you can't keep.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
Up, You're so lazy, what are you doing? You need
to rest all the time, like it was, and it
was pretty mean to me. Once I learned about human design,
it was like, hmmm, it couldn't really hang on to
that belief anymore because it had a new perspective. And
that's kind of that piece that I'm talking about. That's
like new information, new perspective, and all of a sudden,
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that stuck energy, that stuckness is like flowing and moving again.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
And like, so you know you're using you're using IFS,
you're using human design. It's also like it also I
feel like compliments some trauma healing, both of those, right,
I mean, we know we know about IFS internal family
systems and what it can do, Like tell us a
little bit more and like what you what you see
(08:58):
on that level in your work?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Yeah, around trauma you mean, yeah, yeah, I think what
I see is that in the same way that we
can build a relationship with our parts, our parts can
build a relationship with our human design chart. So what
I mean by that is like now my parts know
I'm a projector, and all of a sudden, the belief
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the impact of the like trauma, really that I didn't
fit in and that I was lazy, and like there
were specific things that happened to me kind of growing up.
I played competitive sports and I had a really abusive coach,
and so that was some of the internalized like beliefs
from that like ongoing traumatic relationship. And then when when
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human design came into my life, it was like those
parts couldn't quite hold on to his words anymore to
how he viewed me.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
Because they had a completely different perspective.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
And so that's what I see with my clients too,
is people having these like breakthroughs around trauma or around
things that they've been carrying, even energetically, when there's like
a solid map of like, hey, if you're open to it,
this is who you are, how you are uniquely designed
(10:23):
to show up in the world. These are the gifts
you're bringing in. And if that's out of alignment with
the stories you've told yourself, the things that you've been holding,
maybe we can look at that together.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
And so I like to.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Say that it is like this whole other portal to
accessing that, and I really see a lot of clients
finding an empowered viewpoint of themselves or like in ifs,
there's this saying that we as a therapist, we want
to be like the hope merchant for our clients. I
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feel like your chart can do that. You know, your
chart can give you hope. Your chart can kind of
give you this map of Hey, Christina, this is who
you are. This is the power and the gifts that
you are bringing into this world. This is how you
can live a fully expressed life. These are all of
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the things.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Here you go.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
And human design is also an experiment, so I think
it's fun to like experiment with it and take the
pressure off of yourself. And I use a little bit
of humor in my therapy, and I find that human
design like if we add the levity element of experimentation,
it's like kind of that same idea of like trauma
is so serious and so difficult and so intense and
(11:43):
rightfully so. And there's something about empowerment and levity and
those things too that I find, at least for me
personally and for people that are drawn to my work,
just really open something up. Now, Like the world is
heavy enough there pretty heavy.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
It's really like, yeah, we going to make it heavier
and this and this does light in the load. You know.
I felt similar to like when I found out, like
later in life, AUDIHD, and that was like huge for
me because there was such a It was so it
was so validating to understand why why I was the
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way I was throughout my life perfectly imperfect like I
had you know, I had challenges and in various aspects
of my life, and had I known that information, I
probably would have related with it very differently. There would
have been more self acceptance, and that's what happened with it.
With the diagnosis, it felt very empowering and free, and
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I want to share that is totally how I felt
with human design as well. Like the moment I found
out I was a manifestor, I was like, okay, okay, okay,
I get it now. And sometimes I'm like, dang, if
I would have had that little information when I was
when I was younger, I'm so curious what my life
(13:09):
would have looked like. But there's such a feeling of
validation and empowerment when you learn about In my opinion,
and I think most people agree about your design and
you really utilize your strengths. I think it is based
on a strengths based theory and model where you're like, okay, Like,
(13:30):
because I'm a manifest I mean we haven't gone you know,
maybe you can briefly explain the difference of all of them.
But because I'm a manifestor're like, I'm really supposed to
just jumpstart things and pass the baton. So like hiring
an assistant was the best thing I could have done
for my business but my whole life I was like
hyper independent, must do everything. I wonder why I got sick,
(13:51):
and that was another thing in my meeting with you
is like kind of understanding too, the ways in which
you know, I was unconsciously subconsciously harming myself because I
was trying to fit into like the generator, like with
the generator population or the neurotypical population in the other
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the other sense. So I just want to share that
because it's huge, and I'm sure, yeah, you want to
speak to that at all.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Well, thank you for sharing that. I do think it's huge.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
I've found so many clients that do find it really
validating and like really helpful to accepting ourselves and instead
of trying to fit into whatever mold society has given
us and we think we need to fit in. Human
design is like, nah, babe, let me expand that there
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is no mold, because this is uniquely who you are
and how you're meant to show up in the world,
and these are your gifts and.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
This is your energy.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And it does, to your point too, help us realize
even subconsciously what we're taking in energetic, what we're taking
in from society, and it kind of does just help
with that return to like authenticity and and empowerment. So
I do think it's it's so helpful in that way
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and so powerful and pretty accurate. I mean about a month,
a little over a month ago, I did a human
design reading for doctor Richard Schwartz, who founded IFS and.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Was really cool to do.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
The like quote that he said that still sticks with
me is like this is so remarkably accurate, Like this
is so wild. I think in the reading he was
like did you get this from my birthday? And like,
you know, like how do you like kind of creeped out,
but also so helpful and to your point, it's like
who would we have been if we I wonder who
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I would have been if as a child I knew
like this is what you're meant to be doing. This
is and the adults around me knew too, Oh that's
the other thing as well, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah,
And did he note I'm curious, did he notice how
parts work fits into the human design model?
Speaker 4 (16:09):
A million percent?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Like he's been very supportive of the work since then,
and I'm really grateful to him. And the whole time
we were talking about like, oh and he's obviously like
done a lot of work on himself and uses parts
work on the daily, So it was less about working
with his parts, but more about like a historical look
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back and like oh, yeah, that's this part and that part.
And that's what's so cool too, I think is I
asked a client the other day in a session, like.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
Do your parts know you're a manifestor you no?
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Like yeah, And it was so powerful and they had
even messaged me about it later of like why I
keep returning to that question because even when we in
twenty twenty ourselves our capital f self capital capital s
when we know that that's one thing, but if parts
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are still coming up and they have no idea about
this empowering view of ourselves.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
That changes the game too, you know.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
I mean I feel like you asked me, you spoke
to me with that question. Yeah, like journal and ponder
about that because we have so many parts.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
We have so many parts more.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Than others and show up more than others. And to
really have a sit down, I say, in the living
room with the parts, we have a living room in
our head and okay, guys, today we're going to learn
how to radically accept the fact that I am a
manifestor and this is what it looks like, this is
what it means because I still I know, I still
have parts that are like like a.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Generator, you know, totally shut up.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Mask it up to survive. And it's like I don't
have to do that anymore. I did for a long time.
I don't. I don't actually have to do that anymore.
I've been really it takes time. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Yeah, the release or like there's more freedom.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
You know.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
One of the my IFS supervisor taught me this, But
she talks about like choice and how there's so much
freedom and like reminding our parts that we have a
choice and this is part of that freedom too, of
like you have a choice to say, I'm going to
align to my design and experiment with it if that
helps and makes sense. So yeah, there's a lot of
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incredible things that are coming out of this place that
I am just very grateful to be like witnessing and
facilitating in a very small way.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
So yeah, Okay, So, like I realized, like we're kind
of speaking as though people just automatically understand human design,
and I apologize for that. If you've made it this
far without knowing much about it, thank you for your curiosity.
But do you want to kind of just quickly explain
a little bit about human design and if someone wants
to learn what their profile is and all of that,
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how they go about it.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah, absolutely, yes, thank you for your curiosity and for
staying on board with us as we just like assume.
So human design is a system of systems. It blends
a bunch of systems that are very ancient, like astrology,
like Cabala, the tree of life, like the chakra system,
quantum physics, and so.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Many more things.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
And really what I think is it shows us like
how we were uniquely designed to show up in the world.
It is like a map or like a user instruction manual,
and there are a lot of different aspects to a chart.
So I always talk to people like when they're sitting
with me for a reading, I can feel like hieroglyphics.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Or like you know, you're like, what is this.
Speaker 3 (19:51):
There's numbers and colors and shapes and all kinds of
stuff happening. So my first thing is like just stay
open and curious and take it one step at a time.
It's really overwhelming to look at, but the big premise
is that there are five energy types and human design.
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And what I love about it is like when all
of us are living in our design, there's a collective
benefit as well. So when you're living in your true
manifestor energy, we all benefit because you're doing We're like
part of a team, right, because when the five energy
types are doing their like role on the team, then
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every single other energy type benefit. So the energy types
are like I kind of think about it as like
a track.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Let's talk about like running a race. So there are.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The manifestors, which are going to be the people that
like are sprinting off of the blocks at the beginning
of the race. Right, They're like the starters, They're like ready,
set go here, we go, and you even use this
language like and then you hand the baton off to
someone like after maybe one hundred yards, because you just
got us going, and you're going to hand it off
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to probably a manifesting generator. And manifesting generators are the
energy type that are really here to like be curious,
kind of keep the spark going, but they also have
the energy to do a lot of the doing. So
they're running and they're running, and then they're going to
hand the baton off to the generators. And the generators
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are just like so joyful and they have so much
energy and they're going to actually finish the race for us,
and they're like, cool, got you, guys, I'm going to
finish the strong, no problem.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
And then projectors are they're the coach.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
They've like organized everyone on the team and they're like, Okay,
you're going to go first, you're going to go second,
you're going to go third, And they're here to guide
use their energy to kind of guide, and projectors have
a really good understanding of like systems and how everyone
should best.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Be doing what they're meant to be doing.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And then reflect which are only one percent of the
population they're like in the stands, letting us know how
we're doing as a team and reflecting back to us.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Are we doing things correctly?
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Are we are we moving forward in a way that
is well for everyone? And that was like the quickest explanation.
And what I think is really cool about human design
is like there are seventy percent of the population is
manifesting generators and generators because we.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Need the majority of the population.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
To have renewed sacral energy to keep us going as
a society, but we also need the seven percent seven
to nine that manifestors are to initiate and to be
the visionaries and to see where.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
We need to go in the future.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
And then of course we need someone like guiding and organizing,
and we need someone evaluating.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And so.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
In a very distilled down version, the best place to
start is with your energy type, and the second best
place to start is with how you're meant to make
decisions according to human design. Those are the two places
that I recommend starting. You can get your chart from
Jovian Archive. It's a great place to start. And if
(23:13):
you want me to sit with you and decode your chart,
I'm offering right now. It's called the Dip and it's
thirty minutes for free, and all I have to do
is leave a review on my podcast Return, and then
you can book a session and like we could sit
together and I can spend some time with you going
through your chart, which I love doing those because it's
so fun for people to just.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Learn more in a way.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
And I will I will bring in a little bit
of parts work too, probably to those.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
So I hope.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
That that was fantastic, you know, it's it is all.
There's so many there's so many parts to human to
human design. Like that's that's like a good That is
like the main and biggest starting starting point, and then
you go on all these different pads. So what a
beautiful offering. And yeah, for those who don't know, you
(23:59):
have of really fantastic podcasts so called Return, And do
you want to talk about that just for a minute.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Oh thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
My podcast is called Return because I feel I was
put on this planet to help people return to the
best and brightest, most authentic version of themselves, and my
podcast explores all of the topics and tools and ways
to help people do that.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
Christina was on my podcast.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
We had a fabulous conversation last December, and you'll find
a mix of solo episodes and guest episodes, and it's like, really,
just this fantastic resource library. If this work is of
interest to you, to kind of support that journey, because
my what I know and my experience is that we
already have everything we need inside and we just kind
(24:49):
of need to clear away the gunk and the clutter
to getting back to like that innate place of self
expression and self acceptance and all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
All we just need the support and the reminder right
to to remember to return. And it's cool because I
love I love your podcast for so many reasons, but
also like you bring on some really cool hosts in
the way I found it was through the FI I
was for you arning but the financial Therapist, and I'm like, yeah, Lindsay, yeah,
Lindsay yeah. So you bring on some like really interesting
(25:23):
folks as well. So I love it. And okay, so
you offer you have your podcast, you offer the Human
Design one on one, and then you also have a
mentorship program.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Correct, yes, that is correct.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
So the mentorship program is for like therapists, healers, business
owner service providers who want to create like a business
that's based on who they are, their life purpose, because
human design also has a life purpose component that I
(25:56):
think is underrated. It's called your Incarnation cross and we
spend six months together and it's so I love them.
I love my mentorship clients so much because it's about
like creating the foundation and the safety to bring through
all of your.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
Gifts and let that flourish in your business.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And I feel like, especially as service providers, as people
that are showing up for clients all the time, we've
never been taught how to support ourselves and our energy
and our uniqueness. And we might have been taught about it.
Like I don't know about you, Christina, but I in
my graduate program.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
It was like self care. And I can't yeah quote
I self care.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
But go work at an agency and see like thirty
clients a week, nobody.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Like yeah low key get abused.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
So I was like, this seems not real, Like this
seems like fake to me. And it took me so long. Service, yes,
a thousand percent lip service. And so what I created
in the mentorship program was like what I needed when
I was building my business, you know, and like what
I would have wanted, which was a space to be
(27:10):
seen as a human, but also guidance and support around
like growing my business and aligning it to what works
best for me and for my energy.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
And yeah, that's that's it. Six months.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And there's my favorite part is there's a VIP day
like after the first month, where we either meet up
in person and I pay for your hotel and like
we have brunch and all that fun stuff, or we
do it online. But like, yeah, it's I love like
an IRL meeting too.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
So I just love the mentorship so much. I can't
I can't get enough of it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
That's in You're where are you based?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
So I'm based in Virginia Beach, Virginia, but I work
with each client. So I just did one when I
was in I was just in Denver, Colorado. I just
got back a couple of days ago, and I just
did one. So depending on where clients are located too,
and like I travel quite a bit, we try to
figure it out. So if I'm like coming to a
(28:09):
city near you and we'll do it that way, or
you can come to me like Washington, DC or somewhere
on the East coast or even denba in there a
lot and or Europe.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
I'll be in Europe this winter. So yeah, lots of
fun stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
But so so fun. Okay. So for those who are
curious to learn more, how can they? How can do?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
They can find me on Instagram a Caaitlyn Seagin Thaller.
I don't update my Instagram except for stories because I
think it's really fun. But there's a link tree there,
so that will give you access to like my podcast,
my website the other best places to connect with me
or return my podcast. You can find it anywhere you
get podcasts. And then my website, which is just my
(28:51):
first name and my last name, Kaitlynsiekintholler dot com, and
that will give you information on how to get the
free thirty minutes through the DIP, how to sign up
for the mentorship or apply or like if you just
want to poke around and get more info, that's all
there too.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
So yeah, okay, so we'll be sure to link all
of that in the in the show notes down below.
And Kitlin, what is Yeah, the other thing I want
to mention is we have a workshop coming up. Yes,
it's in the works and human design and chronic and
chronic illness because we're both you know, Chronic Illness Thrivers.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
If you will, we are a chronic illness Thrivers And yes, yeah,
such a big fan of your work and just you
as of a human.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
So I'm really excited for our collaboration.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Likewise, I think it will help. I mean it's helped
me and understanding, like I said, my health and my
and my energy and my spoons, and I think it's
going to be soful to others as well. So if
there's one thing you wish for whoever is listening or
watching to leave with today, what would that be? What
would that one thing be?
Speaker 4 (29:56):
Ooh, I had a parto. No pressure, Kaitlyn, no pressure.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
If there was something I would want one thing I
would want someone to leave with, I would want them
to just remember that they have so many gifts and
such beautiful energy, and they are bringing so much to
this world. And if it feels like it's hard to
access that or they might have forgotten some of that,
(30:22):
there are so many places that they can go to
kind of remember that, because it's really easy to forget,
especially with all of the noise out there. And that's
what I think I would want them to remember.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Yeah, that's so beautiful and in human design. You literally
get a list of gifts. So like, you get a
list of them.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
There are like twenty ish per person.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
Yeah, it's really incredible actually, and you can go through
each one of them and yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
It'll feel like your birthday, trust me, and you're like,
oh cool. You know, and a lot of times you
intuitively knew, but it's just validating you're living.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
You intuitively knew, but some parts of you maybe didn't
hear it or know it. And there's something about externalizing
it and visually seeing it that just brings it up
and into your into your sphere in a way that's
digestible as well.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
Yeah, that feels safe right to your nervousness because those
parts are just trying to protect us basically they are.
That's what they really want at the core. So it's
like we get to we get to let them chill
and soften and let go of the driver's seat wheel,
you know for a moment.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
And you get to tell them like, hey, I'm driving
and this is these are all my gifts, Like I
got this, don't worry.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Yes, thank you for being concerned, but I can I
can literally take the wheel. Thank you so much. Caitlin
for for all of this, for your for your wisdom,
for your presence, for just being you.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
Thank you so much to you and Guy for having me.
This was always a pleasure to chat and I hope
this helps for anyone listening.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Me too, and thank you to all who have listened
and watched. I hope you enjoyed it and definitely go
check check out Caitlin's work because it's really amazing.
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Thank you, Take care, M M
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