October 6, 2025 • 32 mins
Beatty Carmichael is the author of The Prayer of Freedom, dedicated to helping people break free from chronic pain, mental health struggles, addictions, and more.
He developed a unique 3-step approach to prayer with an astounding 87% success rate in setting people free from their struggles. In real-world terms, what this means is for every 20 people who follow this approach, nearly 18 leave completely free of most of their issues—addictions, chronic pain, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorders, etc
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He developed a unique 3-step approach to prayer with an astounding 87% success rate in setting people free from their struggles. In real-world terms, what this means is for every 20 people who follow this approach, nearly 18 leave completely free of most of their issues—addictions, chronic pain, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorders, etc
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Trauma Theavers podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
My name is guiming person and I interview incredible people
who share the story of how trauma has shaped their lives.
And a big thank you for sponsoring today's episode goes
to my guest and our sponsors. So five, four, three,
two and one, our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
(00:26):
Very excited to have as my guest today. Baty Carmichael Batty, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, thank you, and thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Guy appreciate that so.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Beaty is the author of the book The Prayer of Freedom,
dedicated to helping people break free from chronic pain, mental
health struggles, addictions, and more. He developed a unique three
step approach to prayer with an astounding eighty seven percent
success rate and setting people free from their struggles in
real world terms. What this means is that for every
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twenty people who follow this approach, you nearly eighteen leave
completely free of most of their issues, i e. Addictions,
chronic pain, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorders, etc. Baby welcome to
the podcast. Thank you so all right, before we get going,
before we dive in, share with our listeners where you're
from originally and where you are currently.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Where I'm from originally is Birmingham, Alabama. Where I am
currently is Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, sounds good. So let's set the stage here. Are we.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Give us context? Are we talking about a Christian platform,
Christian beliefs?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
No, this is the cool thing about it. So now
I am Christian. But this approach is simply spiritual, meaning
you can identify physical laws through observation and you can
identify spiritual laws through observation. And this works off of
the spiritual laws and it makes no difference what one believes.
(01:57):
And may I've done this with people have no belief.
They're either agnostic, they may be atheists, and they definitely
don't believe that prayer will help them with anything until
they go through and then the skeptic turns into a believer.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So let's define some terms here. How do we define
or how do you define? How are you defining spiritual
or spirituality?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Great question.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So physical reality is what we feel in touch, our
flesh and everything we experience. But most people believe and
feel that there's a spiritual realm. They're like, there's probably
a god somewhere that created us. And if there is
a god, out there, He's in a different dimension. And
(02:41):
that's what I'm talking about spirituality, just the existence of
another realm. In fact, I think sciences mathematics has identified
ten different realms dimensions of realms, and so it's just
something other than this earthly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Earthly. Yeah, okay, okay, So let's begin with how the
heck did you get involved in this? What brought you here?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
That is an interesting story. So it actually started probably
about two hundred years ago. But I was born into
a line of seven generations of medical doctors, and these
are people focused on healing through the science of medicine,
not pharmacology like it is today, but doctors back then
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they tested everything. I did not go into medicine. Actually,
I am a business owner. I helped real estate agents
generate listings in the United States with a little company
called Agent Dominator. It's kind of a boutique marketing firm.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But nine years.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Ago, I was watching a documentary series on Netflix on
people that would go out and pray and the people
they pray for would be healed. I mean, people would
get out of a wheelchair, they're walking with a crutch
and now they no longer need it. And it really
gripped me. And it wasn't until later that I realized,
sometimes we see patterns coming down, Like I know you're
(04:12):
in the in the military. I don't know if any
of your ancestors or military, but usually you'll have like
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Some in the military, military, military, you.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Know, general, general, general, general. There's like a pattern or
what I'll call a mantle. And I think that in
my lineage there was a mantle of healing. The difference
is I started once I started finding seeing those videos,
I started to pursue this. I wanted to understand could
prayer really impact health? And as I started to pursue it,
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I started to realize the reality of it. I started
praying for people about six months later, and about a
thirty of the people I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Prayed for were healed.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I mean like RSD and degenerative disc you know, some
things that were like kind of major stuff. And then
as I can to you to press in, I saw
about ninety percent being healed.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now that was me praying.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And then all of a sudden, after a number of
years I prayed for people and almost no one got healed.
So I go God, what happened? And he said, well,
I took away your healing, so now you can teach
others how to do it on their own. And I
understood what he meant, so I started to By this time,
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I started to recognize that there seemed to be some
correlation between spiritual roots in our lives, that something we've
done that maybe we should not have done, and consequence
that ties into pain or sickness or issues in our life.
And I one the only one that saw it. I'm
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sure a guy you've heard of karma before. Of course, yeah,
we all heard of It is from the Hindu religion.
And here's what karma says. If you do bad things,
bad things happen to you. If you do good things,
good things happened to you. What they're doing that they're
assigning a human understanding to spiritual laws, because it's the
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spiritual realm that when you're doing bad things, it seems
like bad things start to happen more consistently. And I
started to see those same type of laws, and I
started to learn how to apply it in a way.
I started with the theory first that there must be
something that we've done that we should not have done,
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and that then creates a consequence. And this is actually
kind of in bred in human society for millennia because
you see in ancient cultures, they're always sacrificing to some god.
They're offering up contrition, I'm sorry that I didn't follow
you exactly, and then they're asking their petition, now will
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you help me in battle or help me with harvest?
So you see this pattern and regardless whether it's the
Aztec culture, the Mayan culture, or the Hebrew culture, or
the islam culture or Hindu it's always the same pattern.
And the question is why across the world, across millennia,
is there always the same pattern that's in bread embedded
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in us? And there's a reality there. And that's what
I started to pursue, and that's how I got here,
is you know, inquiring minds one to know, and I
wanted to know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So when you first watched that documentary, was your what
were you thinking? Were you thinking, Wow, this is amazing, Yeah,
this is BS or how I was happy?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So what happened with me?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So? I grew up in the church, in a very
legalistic church. And when I mean legalistic, eye for an eye,
tooth for tooth, it's your fault. If you're sick, you
know that type of thing, and they would pray, you know,
when they would pray for healing, they would say, word,
heal this person, if it be your will, meaning you
may have brought this sick on this person because you
wanted him sick. And they also believed that God really
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doesn't heal to day except once in a blue moon.
So when I saw on that video, and it's actually
a trilogy of videos, I just kind of consumed them
all instantly. But as I saw people pray and be healed,
it astounded me because I thought that was something only
from you know, either stories, you know, thousands of years
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ago or something like that, and to see it happening
now it startled me. And more than that, this kind
of what I was talking about with this genealogy of
seven generations of doctors. It's almost like it was something
in my makeup that I wanted to heal. And it's
like this thing awakened in my heart that says, wow,
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this is possible, and I just dug into it. So
I wasn't. I didn't think it was BS. It was
more like, oh my gosh, this is real, and my
church has been saying it's not real, and now I
say that maybe it is, and there's something awakened deep
inside of me and my little cheesy moniker. You know,
(09:09):
my ancestors were medical doctors. They healed through medicine. I
guess I'm a prayer doctor because I heal through prayer.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Is it necessary to believe that you were talking about
people are sick because God? Because because of karma?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is this what we're talking about, that people are sick
because of something they've done?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yes, necessarily it's it's it's a little bit more gentle
than that, but ultimately yes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But then, okay, if we extrapolate this out, how does
one account for.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
A little baby? Yeah, and so we're.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Again in a past life they've done something to right.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
So so now I'm not saying that this is karma.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Karma is just simply my my tangential point that most
people recognize as understanding the basics of it. To simply
illustrate that you can observe spiritual laws and even Hindus
observe a spiritual law that they call karma. And I've
observed similar spiritual laws. I may I don't call it karma,
(10:24):
but me let me dig in a little bit deeper
because I know this is a really good question.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
This is my theory of.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
How of why it works. Keep in mind, my theory
of why it works is not necessarily the truth of
exactly what's going on. It's just my working, is my
framework of trying to put something some patterns around this
so I can then test and see if that theory
continues to hold water. So that's the best way I
(10:50):
can describe it. But let me let me see if
I can describe it this way in physical sciences. I've
got my pen for the audio listeners that there are
any I've got. I'm holding up my pen and when
I let go of it, it's going to drop into my palm.
And every time I lift up my pen and let
it go, it drops. And guy, if you were to
lift up your pen and let it go, it's going
to drop. So now, as a physical science we can
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determine that there's something some law out there that we're
going to call gravity, and it works whether I believe
in it or not.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And the reason I know that is because every time
I do the same activity, I get the same outcome.
What I started to do in these spiritual laws things
is I started to follow the same pattern of activity
that you see throughout ancient cultures. Offer contrition to this God,
whoever he is, or God's or whatever, and say I'm sorry,
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and then ask him to now bring healing. And every
time I go through that pattern, that's a rudimentary pattern.
It's a little bit more complex, but that general pattern.
It actually it starts with one more. God, if there's
something I did wrong that I should not have done,
that maybe missed the mark of what you wanted me
to do, bring it to my mind. That will release
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me of this issue. So then he does. He brings
something to mind, just flashes through like just a little thought,
and you then offer contrition and then you ask him
to take that thing away from you, that issue. And
I'm finding nearly ninety percent of the time it happens
that way. And what's interesting, you mentioned some stats up
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front in the introduction, and thank you for reading my introduction.
I wrote that for everyone's say, yeah, right, good job.
But here's what happened on those stats. This is really cool.
So I teach as a volunteer at an addiction recovery
center here in Birmingham. It's called the Love Lady Center.
It's the largest addiction recovery center in America, houses over
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five hundred women, is a residential program. My class is
on spiritual warfare and how to get rid of these things,
and it's the most is the favorite class of all
the women, because for every twenty women who come in
suffering with addiction, and if you know anything about addicts,
it's not only addiction they're suffering, but they have all
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kinds of trauma and emotional wounding. They have all kinds
of chronic pain, and they have all kinds of mental
illnesses and a lot of more medication. For every twenty
that come into my class, literally all I do is
I give them my book where I put all this together,
and the back of the book has a little worksheet,
and I give them space in my class to actually
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just do the work in the book. I don't pray
for them. I teach them how the book is set up,
but I let them do.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Their own prayer.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So they're coming in for all backgrounds, all types of religions,
some of them aren't even religious at all, and yet
I'm seeing nearly eighteen out of every twenty when they
leave my class they have no addictions anymore. They have
no chronic pain, they have no mental illness. And so
this is what I'm saying that it's measurable, it's empirical data,
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and it doesn't matter what they believe, because most of
them don't believe it anyway, because they you know, I mean,
it's like they're in the classical goes. They want to
get free, so they're going, they're willing to try. But
if you really ask them, do you believe this?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They go no.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, hang on a second. Just want to remind everyone
I'm speaking with Baby Carmichael.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
His book is The.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Power of Freedom, The Prayer of Freedom.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Prayer of Freedom. Pardon me. So all right, let's get
a little more specific here. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What are you saying that?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Are you teaching a.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Prayer teaching a prayer process, a.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Prayer process for people who are what sick?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ill?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You have rights suffering, Let's say PTSD. You're pretty familiar
with that. Anxiety, panic attacks, bipolar disorder, sleep out, neo diabetes,
chronic pain, fibro maalagi or rhematory arthritis, loupus. You have
back pain, neck pain, joint pain. You have addictions, you
have constant issues in your family. Anytime you see a
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pattern that's consistent either consistent pain, consistent illness, consistent something frequently,
what I've been able to measure is about ninety percent
of the time, this prayer process, and what I outlined
in the book is successful at eliminating it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
A prayer process. Defint what is that?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, so let me give you some Let's define some words.
So when I started doing this, I started using the
ancient Bible texts as my guideline for understanding spiritual laws
because it seems to be the most accurate. I would
read parts of the Bible and it starts to indicate
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kind of a spiritual law of some sort, and so
then I would try to apply it. And that's where
my study came from. And what you see in the
Bible is two main words. One is called sin, and
sin is it is not a thing of shame. It's
simply defined as missing the mark. So if you think
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about you're an archery you're trying to shoot for the
bull's eye and you hit off to that side that's
missing the mark. That would be sin. So sin is
when we miss the mark in terms of what this
God of the universe wants us to do, very similar
to children. I want my child to behave and he
starts to misbehave, so he's missing the mark in my expectation.
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And the second part of this process, second definition is
a is a big word called repentance, and the Greek
for repentance means simply to change your mind to think differently.
And what that means is like, let's say if we
put this in a child example. For a moment, your
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child is disobeying and having a fussy fit, okay, and
so you say I'm going to spank you if you
don't calm down, and he doesn't calm down, so you
spank him, and then he goes, oh, I'm sorry, and
he stopped. So now he has a change of mind.
And so what we see is a very similar pattern.
When the child misbehaves, we're going to bring discipline, and
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that discipline is to correct the child so that the
child learns how to grow up into a good adult.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So what I've said now this is my working theory
on this, but it seems that the pattern is similar
when we do something where we miss the mark with
what God wants us to do, like love our neighbor
rather than go beat him up, okay, or things of
that sort. Then it opens the door for us to
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start to have issues in our life. And there's not
necessarily a rhyme or reason. I've seen some patterns in
what the issue might be, but it's everything I listed.
It's either something of pain, something of mental issue, something
of physical issue that's not pain, like glaucoma. You know,
you just you lose the quality of your life. And
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when I so the process very in a very rudimentary
says approaches. Let's say I've got neck pain in the
back of my neck, I would simply say, God, if
you're up there, if there's a spiritual root something I've
missed the mark on tied to this neck pain, would
you bring it to my mind right now?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And maybe so let me interject for a second.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So at the very basic level on this, you're asserting
that the person who is ill or sick has to
be contrite, has to say that they've done something wrong
or admit, yeah, yeah, admit something wrong.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Right, I want to hesitate using the word contrition. Contrition
says like.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Sometimes they're not, but right, So watch this in a
legal courtroom. It's the words you say so much the
heart in which you say it, that drives the outcome.
Because in a legal process, it's about process and words.
Words mean something very specific. So you can have someone
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that is being accused of some criminal crime and he
says all the right words, files all the right documents,
and he's all free and he's not really contrite about it.
There's no contrition. He just worked the system. And I
have found at times. So let's say forgiveness for example,
because this is a big thing. And by the way,
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there's a lot of medical science behind forgiveness, having all
kinds of issues in terms of depression and loss of
energy and exhaustion and pain and all kinds of bodily
issues of just a higher risk of organ failure and diabetes.
And they can see the medical process. So what happens
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with unforgiveness is there are a lot of things that
are tied to that. Like I remember one lady, her
name was Susan, and she had rheumatoried arthritis for about
fifteen or twenty years. She asked if I prayed with her,
and as I'm about to, I was just prompted, do
you have unforgiveness for anyone. She said yes. I said,
who is it? She says, my sister. She did something
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against my mother about twenty years ago, and I've never
forgiven her. Said would you be willing to forgive her?
She said, yeah, I would be, so watch this now.
She hadn't forgiven because she didn't want to forgive.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It was deep.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So now I simply led her to say, Dear God,
I forgive my sister for what she did. There's not
really a big contrition. She wasn't crying about oh my God, I.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Was so bad.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It was just words right that connotate a at least
a little inkling of a feeling of the heart. And
then once she did that, we asked God to take
away her arthritis pain. By the end of the day
it was gone. Then she tracked me down about five
weeks later and said, hey, Bety, I just came back
from the doctor last week. So this is four weeks
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after that, and he retested me for arthritis. Who said,
I have no arthritis in my body, and yet she'd
had it for twenty years diagnosed. But now she forgave
her sister, and now from forgiveness, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
A lot of us have heard incredible stories like that
where people have been healed.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
What about the people who don't get healed, who are chatrite? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
So what I'm learning, right, So keep in mind, and
I say this both in jest and also seriousness, but
not in critique. I'm not God, so I don't know
how he works, right, I don't know how all this works.
I'm a scientist and I'm understanding things as I go.
But my opinion is this, there are some things that
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are not tied to a spiritual root. Right, So my
arm hurts and it could be a spiritual root, or
it could be because I banged it against the door
and I got a bruise, and that was just a
physical action. What I'm starting to sense in all of
this is sometimes the outward manifestation of our issue is
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the same outward manifestation even if it wasn't tied to
a spiritual root.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It's almost like the spiritual.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Root says, God says, And this isn't how it happens.
But this is kind of a simple way. Okay, Well,
you disobeyed what I wanted you to do, so now
I'm going to allow diabetes to come in. Okay, and
then once I handle that spiritual root. He takes diabetes away.
But if I just eat heavy stuff myself, I can
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get diabetes without God's involvement. So I think there's some
things out there that either the spiritual root is too
deep that my approach doesn't really touch, or it's just
not a spiritual root.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I appreciate you you saying that, So let's get specific
people are going to read this.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
First of all, who's the book for?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
The book is for two types of people. Anyone that
is suffering with anything they want to get rid of.
Read constant relationship. I've seen this turn marriage relationships around.
So constant relationship issues like you go from relationship to
relationship to relationship, or you have constant pain somewhere, or
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little things that keep happening. But it's always seemed to
be a pattern. Anyone that's suffering with persistent sickness, mental illnesses, addictions.
So anytime there's something that you would say, God, would
you please get rid of this for me? Would you
please help me through these issues that keep coming up,
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that's either that person or the loved one of someone
who knows someone like that person. That's who the book
is for.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And this prayer process is what I'm not asking you
to give us the whole book, but give us an
idea of what it is.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So what is actually going to do is I've identified.
So let me kind of walk you through how the
book is set, because I think this will answer you
the question. So for the listeners, it's the Prayer Freedom
And if you were just to type that in Google
or Amazon, you're going to get so many searches that
you'll won't you won't find it. So if you add
the word book at the end, the Prayerfreedombook dot com,
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that's how you get it. But the first half of
the book is talking about the spiritual laws and how
they operate, the ones that I've identified, and what's going
on and my kind of my theory on how everything
connects the dot so we can see visually this pattern.
Because once people understand and they go, Okay, I can
now man, I can look, I can move forward with that.
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Then the second half is really tied into how do
you do this? In the appendix, I've identified eighteen different
categories of things that we might have done where we
might have missed the marking God's eyes. So let me
just give you a couple of them. So this starts
to make sense. Unforgiveness. It's number one thing. I find
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that sixty percent probably of most people's issues is tied
to unforgiveness. So you make a list of the people
that you say, God, bring to mind anyone that I
need to forgive, and you just make a list, okay,
because there's probably a couple of people, especially early childhood
usually is where.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
A lot of that is.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Then anyone that so God says, you know, you know,
you should only be sleeping with a mate in marriage,
So anytime you have sex outside of marriage, what is that?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Then?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Little things all.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
The way to pride. You know, are you prideful or
something like prideful over your athletic ability and how much
better you are and it's something important to you. Well,
doesn't like pride. It says pride comes before the fall.
So I've identified eighteen different categories like these where most
of these issues tie into. And it just literally is
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making a list of what those issues are. And then
I've given a simple prayer process that you can follow,
the simple words to say that basically, say God, I'm
sorry for sleeping with Susie and sleeping with Tony and
sleeping with right, Okay, I'm sorry for being prideful on
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this and getting angry that one time when I really
blew up in anger and I hurt my.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Wife with it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Now I've got these different pains when you please start
taking these away. So simply the prayer process of once
I make the list, then you're just literally going down
that list, and there's.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
No emotion involved.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I mean, you may get emotional as you do it,
but it's not tight on emotion. It's simply tight on
saying I'm sorry. And it's like your own child. You know,
my child disobeys, I'm going to put him in time out,
and then he comes to me and say, Daddy, I'm
sorry for doing that. Oh I love you, little Tony.
You know, be free, you know, get out of you know,
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you're no longer in time out, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And it's just a.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Matter of saying, I just want you to say I'm
sorry and at least own up to the fact that
it wasn't the right thing to do. That's almost like
how God, how I perceive this works, because that's all
we're doing is we're saying, basically, I'm sorry. Now, will
you remove these things from my life? And that's all
these ladies in the Addiction Recovery Center and everyone else
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I've shared this with. Here's an interesting testimony to this
as well.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Guy.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
For this is anecdotal, but for about for every person
who goes through this process, as I followed up with them,
they typically will hand will buy and hand out about
five books to give to their family and their friends.
And that's a testimony because they're saying, this has made
such an impact in my life, I want to share
it with others. So while it sounds crazy that all
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you're doing is saying I'm sorry for this, please hell that,
yet that's what it was. That's exactly what it is.
In fact, that's one of the laws I saw multiple
times throughout the ancient Bible text is saying, if you
confess your sin, God will take away the sickness from you.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think, you know many of us could see or
understand how keeping that unforgiveness in us weighs on us. Yes,
we feel it. And similarly, I think that they're being
angry at someone being pissed off, being again resentful or prideful,
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but to degree that it's causing us, and I guess
so it's causing many of us to be sick or
to be ill. But are you saying that it's not
necessary that we feel sorry, that's Chris. Rather, we have
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to just say it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
We just have to say it, and it's almost, yeah,
there's something about saying it. So watch this. My little son,
let's say, his name is Tony, really wanted to watch
this TV show that I didn't want him to watch.
And I find that he watched it, you know, some
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action movie or something, and so I put him in
time out and then he finally comes and says, you know,
I won't let you out until you until you tell
me you're sorry. And so he stays her for a
while and he finally says, Dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Was he really sorry?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, he really enjoyed the movie. He's only sorry that
he's in time out.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And it's almost that way with us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's not that there's this deep emotional contrition. It's simply
the fact that we're admitting that we did wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
That's all it is.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
You know, even in the Rochester's, in the legal courtrooms here,
if you were to plead guilty, a lot of times
the judgment is much more lenient that if you plead
not guilty and they can fight for it. And if
you do show contrition, even more contrition, then.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
The judgment is even less.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So it's almost that same pattern that as long as
we just own up to the fact that, yeah, I
know I did wrong, I shouldn't have hit that person
just because they said they didn't like my hat, you know,
then then it's almost like that. And that's kind of
a silly example. But yeah, it's simply saying it out loud.
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In fact, I remember a couple of number of times
as I was learning this, people would just repeat after
me without even knowing what they're saying really or without
even meaning it, but simply the fact that they said
it was all that was necessary. So it's words matter.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
The book is called The Prayer of Freedom Baby. What's
the best way for people to learn more about you
and get the book?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The best way is to first go to the Prayerfreedombook
dot com. It gives you a link both directly to
Amazon also a place where you can get some discounts
on the book if you want it, some free stuff,
and some more information about what the Prayer Freedom is.
So Theprayerfreedombook dot Com. You can find me on Facebook
at Baty Facebook flash Baty Carmichael and if you type
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in Baty Carmichael, that's b E a t t Y Carmichael.
I'm also on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We'll have those lint up here at the show notes
page at the Trauma Tevers podcast dot com. Beaty fascinating,
appreciate you, thanks so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, thank you, guys, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
All right, take care,
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Very excited to have as my guest today. Baty Carmichael Batty, welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Well, thank you, and thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Guy appreciate that so.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Beaty is the author of the book The Prayer of Freedom,
dedicated to helping people break free from chronic pain, mental
health struggles, addictions, and more. He developed a unique three
step approach to prayer with an astounding eighty seven percent
success rate and setting people free from their struggles in
real world terms. What this means is that for every
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twenty people who follow this approach, you nearly eighteen leave
completely free of most of their issues, i e. Addictions,
chronic pain, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorders, etc. Baby welcome to
the podcast. Thank you so all right, before we get going,
before we dive in, share with our listeners where you're
from originally and where you are currently.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Where I'm from originally is Birmingham, Alabama. Where I am
currently is Birmingham, Alabama.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Okay, sounds good. So let's set the stage here. Are we.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Give us context? Are we talking about a Christian platform,
Christian beliefs?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
No, this is the cool thing about it. So now
I am Christian. But this approach is simply spiritual, meaning
you can identify physical laws through observation and you can
identify spiritual laws through observation. And this works off of
the spiritual laws and it makes no difference what one believes.
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And may I've done this with people have no belief.
They're either agnostic, they may be atheists, and they definitely
don't believe that prayer will help them with anything until
they go through and then the skeptic turns into a believer.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
So let's define some terms here. How do we define
or how do you define? How are you defining spiritual
or spirituality?
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
Great question.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
So physical reality is what we feel in touch, our
flesh and everything we experience. But most people believe and
feel that there's a spiritual realm. They're like, there's probably
a god somewhere that created us. And if there is
a god, out there, He's in a different dimension. And
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that's what I'm talking about spirituality, just the existence of
another realm. In fact, I think sciences mathematics has identified
ten different realms dimensions of realms, and so it's just
something other than this earthly.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Earthly. Yeah, okay, okay, So let's begin with how the
heck did you get involved in this? What brought you here?
Speaker 4 (03:13):
That is an interesting story. So it actually started probably
about two hundred years ago. But I was born into
a line of seven generations of medical doctors, and these
are people focused on healing through the science of medicine,
not pharmacology like it is today, but doctors back then
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they tested everything. I did not go into medicine. Actually,
I am a business owner. I helped real estate agents
generate listings in the United States with a little company
called Agent Dominator. It's kind of a boutique marketing firm.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
But nine years.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Ago, I was watching a documentary series on Netflix on
people that would go out and pray and the people
they pray for would be healed. I mean, people would
get out of a wheelchair, they're walking with a crutch
and now they no longer need it. And it really
gripped me. And it wasn't until later that I realized,
sometimes we see patterns coming down, Like I know you're
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in the in the military. I don't know if any
of your ancestors or military, but usually you'll have like
you know.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Some in the military, military, military, you.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Know, general, general, general, general. There's like a pattern or
what I'll call a mantle. And I think that in
my lineage there was a mantle of healing. The difference
is I started once I started finding seeing those videos,
I started to pursue this. I wanted to understand could
prayer really impact health? And as I started to pursue it,
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I started to realize the reality of it. I started
praying for people about six months later, and about a
thirty of the people I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Prayed for were healed.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
I mean like RSD and degenerative disc you know, some
things that were like kind of major stuff. And then
as I can to you to press in, I saw
about ninety percent being healed.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Now that was me praying.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And then all of a sudden, after a number of
years I prayed for people and almost no one got healed.
So I go God, what happened? And he said, well,
I took away your healing, so now you can teach
others how to do it on their own. And I
understood what he meant, so I started to By this time,
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I started to recognize that there seemed to be some
correlation between spiritual roots in our lives, that something we've
done that maybe we should not have done, and consequence
that ties into pain or sickness or issues in our life.
And I one the only one that saw it. I'm
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sure a guy you've heard of karma before. Of course, yeah,
we all heard of It is from the Hindu religion.
And here's what karma says. If you do bad things,
bad things happen to you. If you do good things,
good things happened to you. What they're doing that they're
assigning a human understanding to spiritual laws, because it's the
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spiritual realm that when you're doing bad things, it seems
like bad things start to happen more consistently. And I
started to see those same type of laws, and I
started to learn how to apply it in a way.
I started with the theory first that there must be
something that we've done that we should not have done,
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and that then creates a consequence. And this is actually
kind of in bred in human society for millennia because
you see in ancient cultures, they're always sacrificing to some god.
They're offering up contrition, I'm sorry that I didn't follow
you exactly, and then they're asking their petition, now will
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you help me in battle or help me with harvest?
So you see this pattern and regardless whether it's the
Aztec culture, the Mayan culture, or the Hebrew culture, or
the islam culture or Hindu it's always the same pattern.
And the question is why across the world, across millennia,
is there always the same pattern that's in bread embedded
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in us? And there's a reality there. And that's what
I started to pursue, and that's how I got here,
is you know, inquiring minds one to know, and I
wanted to know.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
So when you first watched that documentary, was your what
were you thinking? Were you thinking, Wow, this is amazing, Yeah,
this is BS or how I was happy?
Speaker 3 (07:39):
So what happened with me?
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So? I grew up in the church, in a very
legalistic church. And when I mean legalistic, eye for an eye,
tooth for tooth, it's your fault. If you're sick, you
know that type of thing, and they would pray, you know,
when they would pray for healing, they would say, word,
heal this person, if it be your will, meaning you
may have brought this sick on this person because you
wanted him sick. And they also believed that God really
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doesn't heal to day except once in a blue moon.
So when I saw on that video, and it's actually
a trilogy of videos, I just kind of consumed them
all instantly. But as I saw people pray and be healed,
it astounded me because I thought that was something only
from you know, either stories, you know, thousands of years
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ago or something like that, and to see it happening
now it startled me. And more than that, this kind
of what I was talking about with this genealogy of
seven generations of doctors. It's almost like it was something
in my makeup that I wanted to heal. And it's
like this thing awakened in my heart that says, wow,
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this is possible, and I just dug into it. So
I wasn't. I didn't think it was BS. It was
more like, oh my gosh, this is real, and my
church has been saying it's not real, and now I
say that maybe it is, and there's something awakened deep
inside of me and my little cheesy moniker. You know,
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my ancestors were medical doctors. They healed through medicine. I
guess I'm a prayer doctor because I heal through prayer.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Is it necessary to believe that you were talking about
people are sick because God? Because because of karma?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Right? Right?
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Is this what we're talking about, that people are sick
because of something they've done?
Speaker 4 (09:39):
Yes, necessarily it's it's it's a little bit more gentle
than that, but ultimately yes.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
But then, okay, if we extrapolate this out, how does
one account for.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
A little baby? Yeah, and so we're.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Again in a past life they've done something to right.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
So so now I'm not saying that this is karma.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Karma is just simply my my tangential point that most
people recognize as understanding the basics of it. To simply
illustrate that you can observe spiritual laws and even Hindus
observe a spiritual law that they call karma. And I've
observed similar spiritual laws. I may I don't call it karma,
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but me let me dig in a little bit deeper
because I know this is a really good question.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
This is my theory of.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
How of why it works. Keep in mind, my theory
of why it works is not necessarily the truth of
exactly what's going on. It's just my working, is my
framework of trying to put something some patterns around this
so I can then test and see if that theory
continues to hold water. So that's the best way I
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can describe it. But let me let me see if
I can describe it this way in physical sciences. I've
got my pen for the audio listeners that there are
any I've got. I'm holding up my pen and when
I let go of it, it's going to drop into my palm.
And every time I lift up my pen and let
it go, it drops. And guy, if you were to
lift up your pen and let it go, it's going
to drop. So now, as a physical science we can
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determine that there's something some law out there that we're
going to call gravity, and it works whether I believe
in it or not.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
And the reason I know that is because every time
I do the same activity, I get the same outcome.
What I started to do in these spiritual laws things
is I started to follow the same pattern of activity
that you see throughout ancient cultures. Offer contrition to this God,
whoever he is, or God's or whatever, and say I'm sorry,
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and then ask him to now bring healing. And every
time I go through that pattern, that's a rudimentary pattern.
It's a little bit more complex, but that general pattern.
It actually it starts with one more. God, if there's
something I did wrong that I should not have done,
that maybe missed the mark of what you wanted me
to do, bring it to my mind. That will release
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me of this issue. So then he does. He brings
something to mind, just flashes through like just a little thought,
and you then offer contrition and then you ask him
to take that thing away from you, that issue. And
I'm finding nearly ninety percent of the time it happens
that way. And what's interesting, you mentioned some stats up
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front in the introduction, and thank you for reading my introduction.
I wrote that for everyone's say, yeah, right, good job.
But here's what happened on those stats. This is really cool.
So I teach as a volunteer at an addiction recovery
center here in Birmingham. It's called the Love Lady Center.
It's the largest addiction recovery center in America, houses over
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five hundred women, is a residential program. My class is
on spiritual warfare and how to get rid of these things,
and it's the most is the favorite class of all
the women, because for every twenty women who come in
suffering with addiction, and if you know anything about addicts,
it's not only addiction they're suffering, but they have all
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kinds of trauma and emotional wounding. They have all kinds
of chronic pain, and they have all kinds of mental
illnesses and a lot of more medication. For every twenty
that come into my class, literally all I do is
I give them my book where I put all this together,
and the back of the book has a little worksheet,
and I give them space in my class to actually
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just do the work in the book. I don't pray
for them. I teach them how the book is set up,
but I let them do.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Their own prayer.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
So they're coming in for all backgrounds, all types of religions,
some of them aren't even religious at all, and yet
I'm seeing nearly eighteen out of every twenty when they
leave my class they have no addictions anymore. They have
no chronic pain, they have no mental illness. And so
this is what I'm saying that it's measurable, it's empirical data,
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and it doesn't matter what they believe, because most of
them don't believe it anyway, because they you know, I mean,
it's like they're in the classical goes. They want to
get free, so they're going, they're willing to try. But
if you really ask them, do you believe this?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
They go no.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, hang on a second. Just want to remind everyone
I'm speaking with Baby Carmichael.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
His book is The.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
Power of Freedom, The Prayer of Freedom.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Prayer of Freedom. Pardon me. So all right, let's get
a little more specific here. What are we talking about?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What are you saying that?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Are you teaching a.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Prayer teaching a prayer process, a.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
Prayer process for people who are what sick?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Ill?
Speaker 4 (14:40):
You have rights suffering, Let's say PTSD. You're pretty familiar
with that. Anxiety, panic attacks, bipolar disorder, sleep out, neo diabetes,
chronic pain, fibro maalagi or rhematory arthritis, loupus. You have
back pain, neck pain, joint pain. You have addictions, you
have constant issues in your family. Anytime you see a
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pattern that's consistent either consistent pain, consistent illness, consistent something frequently,
what I've been able to measure is about ninety percent
of the time, this prayer process, and what I outlined
in the book is successful at eliminating it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
A prayer process. Defint what is that?
Speaker 4 (15:24):
Okay, so let me give you some Let's define some words.
So when I started doing this, I started using the
ancient Bible texts as my guideline for understanding spiritual laws
because it seems to be the most accurate. I would
read parts of the Bible and it starts to indicate
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kind of a spiritual law of some sort, and so
then I would try to apply it. And that's where
my study came from. And what you see in the
Bible is two main words. One is called sin, and
sin is it is not a thing of shame. It's
simply defined as missing the mark. So if you think
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about you're an archery you're trying to shoot for the
bull's eye and you hit off to that side that's
missing the mark. That would be sin. So sin is
when we miss the mark in terms of what this
God of the universe wants us to do, very similar
to children. I want my child to behave and he
starts to misbehave, so he's missing the mark in my expectation.
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And the second part of this process, second definition is
a is a big word called repentance, and the Greek
for repentance means simply to change your mind to think differently.
And what that means is like, let's say if we
put this in a child example. For a moment, your
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child is disobeying and having a fussy fit, okay, and
so you say I'm going to spank you if you
don't calm down, and he doesn't calm down, so you
spank him, and then he goes, oh, I'm sorry, and
he stopped. So now he has a change of mind.
And so what we see is a very similar pattern.
When the child misbehaves, we're going to bring discipline, and
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that discipline is to correct the child so that the
child learns how to grow up into a good adult.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
So what I've said now this is my working theory
on this, but it seems that the pattern is similar
when we do something where we miss the mark with
what God wants us to do, like love our neighbor
rather than go beat him up, okay, or things of
that sort. Then it opens the door for us to
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start to have issues in our life. And there's not
necessarily a rhyme or reason. I've seen some patterns in
what the issue might be, but it's everything I listed.
It's either something of pain, something of mental issue, something
of physical issue that's not pain, like glaucoma. You know,
you just you lose the quality of your life. And
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when I so the process very in a very rudimentary
says approaches. Let's say I've got neck pain in the
back of my neck, I would simply say, God, if
you're up there, if there's a spiritual root something I've
missed the mark on tied to this neck pain, would
you bring it to my mind right now?
Speaker 1 (18:21):
And maybe so let me interject for a second.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So at the very basic level on this, you're asserting
that the person who is ill or sick has to
be contrite, has to say that they've done something wrong
or admit, yeah, yeah, admit something wrong.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Right, I want to hesitate using the word contrition. Contrition
says like.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Oh I'm so sorry.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Sometimes they're not, but right, So watch this in a
legal courtroom. It's the words you say so much the
heart in which you say it, that drives the outcome.
Because in a legal process, it's about process and words.
Words mean something very specific. So you can have someone
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that is being accused of some criminal crime and he
says all the right words, files all the right documents,
and he's all free and he's not really contrite about it.
There's no contrition. He just worked the system. And I
have found at times. So let's say forgiveness for example,
because this is a big thing. And by the way,
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there's a lot of medical science behind forgiveness, having all
kinds of issues in terms of depression and loss of
energy and exhaustion and pain and all kinds of bodily
issues of just a higher risk of organ failure and diabetes.
And they can see the medical process. So what happens
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with unforgiveness is there are a lot of things that
are tied to that. Like I remember one lady, her
name was Susan, and she had rheumatoried arthritis for about
fifteen or twenty years. She asked if I prayed with her,
and as I'm about to, I was just prompted, do
you have unforgiveness for anyone. She said yes. I said,
who is it? She says, my sister. She did something
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against my mother about twenty years ago, and I've never
forgiven her. Said would you be willing to forgive her?
She said, yeah, I would be, so watch this now.
She hadn't forgiven because she didn't want to forgive.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
It was deep.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
So now I simply led her to say, Dear God,
I forgive my sister for what she did. There's not
really a big contrition. She wasn't crying about oh my God, I.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Was so bad.
Speaker 4 (20:41):
It was just words right that connotate a at least
a little inkling of a feeling of the heart. And
then once she did that, we asked God to take
away her arthritis pain. By the end of the day
it was gone. Then she tracked me down about five
weeks later and said, hey, Bety, I just came back
from the doctor last week. So this is four weeks
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after that, and he retested me for arthritis. Who said,
I have no arthritis in my body, and yet she'd
had it for twenty years diagnosed. But now she forgave
her sister, and now from forgiveness, I think.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
A lot of us have heard incredible stories like that
where people have been healed.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
What about the people who don't get healed, who are chatrite? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (21:32):
So what I'm learning, right, So keep in mind, and
I say this both in jest and also seriousness, but
not in critique. I'm not God, so I don't know
how he works, right, I don't know how all this works.
I'm a scientist and I'm understanding things as I go.
But my opinion is this, there are some things that
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are not tied to a spiritual root. Right, So my
arm hurts and it could be a spiritual root, or
it could be because I banged it against the door
and I got a bruise, and that was just a
physical action. What I'm starting to sense in all of
this is sometimes the outward manifestation of our issue is
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the same outward manifestation even if it wasn't tied to
a spiritual root.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
It's almost like the spiritual.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Root says, God says, And this isn't how it happens.
But this is kind of a simple way. Okay, Well,
you disobeyed what I wanted you to do, so now
I'm going to allow diabetes to come in. Okay, and
then once I handle that spiritual root. He takes diabetes away.
But if I just eat heavy stuff myself, I can
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get diabetes without God's involvement. So I think there's some
things out there that either the spiritual root is too
deep that my approach doesn't really touch, or it's just
not a spiritual root.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
I appreciate you you saying that, So let's get specific
people are going to read this.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
First of all, who's the book for?
Speaker 4 (23:10):
The book is for two types of people. Anyone that
is suffering with anything they want to get rid of.
Read constant relationship. I've seen this turn marriage relationships around.
So constant relationship issues like you go from relationship to
relationship to relationship, or you have constant pain somewhere, or
(23:31):
little things that keep happening. But it's always seemed to
be a pattern. Anyone that's suffering with persistent sickness, mental illnesses, addictions.
So anytime there's something that you would say, God, would
you please get rid of this for me? Would you
please help me through these issues that keep coming up,
(23:52):
that's either that person or the loved one of someone
who knows someone like that person. That's who the book
is for.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
And this prayer process is what I'm not asking you
to give us the whole book, but give us an
idea of what it is.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
So what is actually going to do is I've identified.
So let me kind of walk you through how the
book is set, because I think this will answer you
the question. So for the listeners, it's the Prayer Freedom
And if you were just to type that in Google
or Amazon, you're going to get so many searches that
you'll won't you won't find it. So if you add
the word book at the end, the Prayerfreedombook dot com,
(24:34):
that's how you get it. But the first half of
the book is talking about the spiritual laws and how
they operate, the ones that I've identified, and what's going
on and my kind of my theory on how everything
connects the dot so we can see visually this pattern.
Because once people understand and they go, Okay, I can
now man, I can look, I can move forward with that.
(24:55):
Then the second half is really tied into how do
you do this? In the appendix, I've identified eighteen different
categories of things that we might have done where we
might have missed the marking God's eyes. So let me
just give you a couple of them. So this starts
to make sense. Unforgiveness. It's number one thing. I find
(25:17):
that sixty percent probably of most people's issues is tied
to unforgiveness. So you make a list of the people
that you say, God, bring to mind anyone that I
need to forgive, and you just make a list, okay,
because there's probably a couple of people, especially early childhood
usually is where.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
A lot of that is.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
Then anyone that so God says, you know, you know,
you should only be sleeping with a mate in marriage,
So anytime you have sex outside of marriage, what is that?
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Then?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Little things all.
Speaker 4 (25:50):
The way to pride. You know, are you prideful or
something like prideful over your athletic ability and how much
better you are and it's something important to you. Well,
doesn't like pride. It says pride comes before the fall.
So I've identified eighteen different categories like these where most
of these issues tie into. And it just literally is
(26:12):
making a list of what those issues are. And then
I've given a simple prayer process that you can follow,
the simple words to say that basically, say God, I'm
sorry for sleeping with Susie and sleeping with Tony and
sleeping with right, Okay, I'm sorry for being prideful on
(26:34):
this and getting angry that one time when I really
blew up in anger and I hurt my.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Wife with it.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
Now I've got these different pains when you please start
taking these away. So simply the prayer process of once
I make the list, then you're just literally going down
that list, and there's.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
No emotion involved.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I mean, you may get emotional as you do it,
but it's not tight on emotion. It's simply tight on
saying I'm sorry. And it's like your own child. You know,
my child disobeys, I'm going to put him in time out,
and then he comes to me and say, Daddy, I'm
sorry for doing that. Oh I love you, little Tony.
You know, be free, you know, get out of you know,
(27:18):
you're no longer in time out, you know.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
And it's just a.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Matter of saying, I just want you to say I'm
sorry and at least own up to the fact that
it wasn't the right thing to do. That's almost like
how God, how I perceive this works, because that's all
we're doing is we're saying, basically, I'm sorry. Now, will
you remove these things from my life? And that's all
these ladies in the Addiction Recovery Center and everyone else
(27:42):
I've shared this with. Here's an interesting testimony to this
as well.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Guy.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
For this is anecdotal, but for about for every person
who goes through this process, as I followed up with them,
they typically will hand will buy and hand out about
five books to give to their family and their friends.
And that's a testimony because they're saying, this has made
such an impact in my life, I want to share
it with others. So while it sounds crazy that all
(28:09):
you're doing is saying I'm sorry for this, please hell that,
yet that's what it was. That's exactly what it is.
In fact, that's one of the laws I saw multiple
times throughout the ancient Bible text is saying, if you
confess your sin, God will take away the sickness from you.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
I think, you know many of us could see or
understand how keeping that unforgiveness in us weighs on us. Yes,
we feel it. And similarly, I think that they're being
angry at someone being pissed off, being again resentful or prideful,
(28:53):
but to degree that it's causing us, and I guess
so it's causing many of us to be sick or
to be ill. But are you saying that it's not
necessary that we feel sorry, that's Chris. Rather, we have
(29:15):
to just say it.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
We just have to say it, and it's almost, yeah,
there's something about saying it. So watch this. My little son,
let's say, his name is Tony, really wanted to watch
this TV show that I didn't want him to watch.
And I find that he watched it, you know, some
(29:38):
action movie or something, and so I put him in
time out and then he finally comes and says, you know,
I won't let you out until you until you tell
me you're sorry. And so he stays her for a
while and he finally says, Dad, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Was he really sorry?
Speaker 4 (29:55):
No, he really enjoyed the movie. He's only sorry that
he's in time out.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
And it's almost that way with us.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
It's not that there's this deep emotional contrition. It's simply
the fact that we're admitting that we did wrong.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
That's all it is.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
You know, even in the Rochester's, in the legal courtrooms here,
if you were to plead guilty, a lot of times
the judgment is much more lenient that if you plead
not guilty and they can fight for it. And if
you do show contrition, even more contrition, then.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
The judgment is even less.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
So it's almost that same pattern that as long as
we just own up to the fact that, yeah, I
know I did wrong, I shouldn't have hit that person
just because they said they didn't like my hat, you know,
then then it's almost like that. And that's kind of
a silly example. But yeah, it's simply saying it out loud.
(30:53):
In fact, I remember a couple of number of times
as I was learning this, people would just repeat after
me without even knowing what they're saying really or without
even meaning it, but simply the fact that they said
it was all that was necessary. So it's words matter.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
The book is called The Prayer of Freedom Baby. What's
the best way for people to learn more about you
and get the book?
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The best way is to first go to the Prayerfreedombook
dot com. It gives you a link both directly to
Amazon also a place where you can get some discounts
on the book if you want it, some free stuff,
and some more information about what the Prayer Freedom is.
So Theprayerfreedombook dot Com. You can find me on Facebook
at Baty Facebook flash Baty Carmichael and if you type
(31:43):
in Baty Carmichael, that's b E a t t Y Carmichael.
I'm also on Instagram.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Awesome.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
We'll have those lint up here at the show notes
page at the Trauma Tevers podcast dot com. Beaty fascinating,
appreciate you, thanks so much for joining me.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Well, thank you, guys, I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
All right, take care,
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