October 17, 2025 • 33 mins
Lisa Campion is a Psychic Counselor, Reiki Master Teacher, and the bestselling author of The Art of Psychic Reiki, Energy Healing for Empaths, and more.
With over 25 years of experience and 15,000+ sessions, she’s trained thousands in Reiki and energy healing. Her mission is to help people awaken their psychic and healing gifts through her courses and teachings—gently, powerfully, and with grace
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Trauma Favers podcast. My name is Gamy Ferson,
and I interview incredible people who share the story of
how trauma has shaped their lives. And a big thank
you for sponsoring today's episode goes to my guest and
our sponsors five four, three, two and one, Our folks,
(00:22):
welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have as
my guest today, Lisa Campion. Lisa, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thank you so much guy, So glad to be here
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Awesome. So. Lisa is a psychic counselor, reiky master teacher
and the best selling author of the Art of Psychic Reiki,
Energy Healing for Empaths and more. With over twenty five
years of experience and fifteen thousand sessions, she's trained thousands
in Reichi and energy healing. Her mission is to help
people awaken their psychic and healing gifts through her courses
(00:52):
and cheat teachings. Excuse me, gently, powerfully, and with grace.
All right, Lisa, just a bit about you, obviously, but
before we get going, share with the listeners where you're
from originally and where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I grew up just outside of Boston, and I haven't
gone far I'm in Rhode Island, so I'm a New
England girl.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Nice, nice, all right, So let's start out if we
can broadly and then get more specific. Reichy what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So it's a really gentle, hands on energy healing technique
from Japan. It's pretty old. It's been around for a
while and it is Some people say like acupuncture without needles,
but I think it's more like connecting with the universe,
this sort of flow of universal life worce energy and
reiki practitioners learn how to transmit or give that energy
(01:50):
to their clients.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When I learned it in nineteen ninety nine, it was
kind of a fringe, weird thing to do, and these
days it's eight hundred hospitals in the United States, especially
here in New England where I'm at, we have some
of the best hospitals in the world and they have
full time reiki staff that are you know, if you
you know, if you get cancer, you're getting treated at
Dana Farber, the you know, leading cancer therapy place in
(02:17):
the world. You're gonna get reiki before and after your
cancer treatments. You know, it's really it's in pain clinics
for non narcotic pain use, and it's really great for
mental health issues, depression, anxiety, and I think the best
thing about it is anyone can learn it, like you,
you don't have to be special. I mean, guy, we're
all special.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But yeah, let's just start out by saying that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We're all special. But all of us can learn reiki.
Anyone can learn and I've taught kids, I've taught you know, anybody,
any old person can learn it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, look, how did how the hell did this
start for you? How did you get into this?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Gosh? Well, you know, I was what was born in
the sixth sees, just sat outside Boston, and I was
one of those I see dead people kids. I just
was super psychic. It was inextremely weird thing to be
back then. I was just trying to figure out what
was happening. I was seeing things abound, colors around people.
I've seeing spirits, dead people. I was having the full
(03:18):
on psychic experience. But back then, nobody that's not a thing.
That wasn't a thing. I was just trying to stay,
you know, stay out of a mental hospital.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
How old are we talking now?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
My very very very first memories. I was literally born
this way. You know, God bless my hippie parents didn't
like drag me to the church and throw holy water
on me, but you know, they didn't know what to
do there. My mom was like, what an incredible imagination
you have. That's sort of you know, but.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What did you do when you started seeing this or
experiencing this? How what did you do? How did you react?
What did you think? And did you tell anyone?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was pretty quiet about it. I think that was
sort of self preservation. My few four ways into telling
people about it didn't go that well. So I was like, Okay,
I guess I'm on my own here, you know. And
I you know, I was never really afraid, which when
I look back on that, I think that's funny. You know,
that's sort of odd. I was way more afraid of
(04:16):
living people and continue to be. Living people are scary
to me, but you know, spirits not so much.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, so let's get a little specific. You said you
saw colors around what just certain people? When it met someone, it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Kind of would depend, you know, like if I was
in a relaxed state, which is still really normal, like
you know, to be like relaxed daydreaming and that sort
of alpha brain wave is when we're the most intuitive,
most psychic. And I would see that. I would I
would see what I called the gray people around my
bed at night. And I grew up in one of
(04:55):
those big Victorian houses, you know, and it was super hanted,
so I just I would see those things in experience.
I knew that if I talked to them and I listened,
they would feel better and then they would go away.
Psychos therapy and it later became a therapist, which is
sort of funny, but you know, so I was trying
(05:16):
to figure out what was going on I was at
the same time, I was trying to pretend to be
normal in public. And my hippie parents were cool. So
they took me to transcendental meditation when I was ten,
because that's what you did when you were hippie in
nineteen seventy four, and so I learned how to meditate.
They did this thing called the Silver Method. Now it's
called the Silver Method. Back then it was called Silver
(05:36):
mind control, which they talked about spirit guides, they talked
about meditation. I was in high school, you know, I
had this fortunate set of kind of interventions that helped
me understand and then I went to college in the
nineteen eighties and it was the dawn of the New Age, hallelujah,
and all of a sudden there were books, new Age bookstores,
(05:58):
psychic teachers. Then. You know, I feel it was kind
of a hard road. I'm not I'm not gonna lie.
It was challenging for me a lot. And nowadays I
feel really motivated and passionate about helping other people awaken psychically, spiritually,
who are awakenings. I feel passionate about helping them do
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it in a much more beautiful, graceful way than I did.
It was like school hard knocks for me. So if
I can help somebody else go through that in a
better way than I did, That's That's what I'm all about.
That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Along with this gift or access or these experiences, was
there were you an EmPATH as well? Do they go
hand in hand or.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They often do?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, they often do. And I, of course, back then,
there wasn't a term for that. You know, that's sort
of a recent idea. I just knew that I was sensitive.
I was often told I was too sensitive, and I
had this experience when I was in college of really
understanding what that was like. I went to a party,
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you know, freshman year, and I sat down next to
this guy. He was super depressed. He's crying into his beer.
I sat down next to him. He's telling me everything,
because that's what people do when you're an EmPATH. This
they tell you their whole life story. And I was like,
all of a sudden, I felt terrible. I was like
crushing depression. I was like, what is wrong with me?
I gotta leave, like I've got I gotta get out
(07:33):
of here. And I really was like, I'm crazy, I'm crazy,
there is something wrong with me. And I walked out
of It was a house party. I walked out of
the house and I turned around and I saw him
through the window, still crying into his beer. But I
felt fine. I was like, oh, I feel like myself again.
I was eighteen. And it was in that moment that
I realized it wasn't me that I was feeling what
(07:56):
he was feeling. And of course that word EmPATH, high
sensitive person, that wasn't a thing. I just knew that
I that I that it wasn't me, and that I
needed to figure out what to do about that. You know,
so I became very dedicated to kind of like psychic
self defense is what I call it, but like energy
management and really learning how to tell the difference between
(08:18):
my experience and somebody else's experience. And that's still a lifelong,
you know, study for me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So you kind of defined what an EmPATH was, you said,
someone who's what very sensitive? Yeah? Is it? Is there
a more to the definition than that?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, there's way more. So, I mean we all, hopefully
we all have natural empathy. We don't know what we
all of us don't, but we you know, hopefully that
we do. And that's just like when we notice somebody's
not feeling well, we have sympathy. It's more like, oh,
I'll look at that person. You know, being an EmPATH
is different. It's more it's not just about observing their state,
it's we feel it. So it's like we absorb the
(08:59):
emotion and all. Yeah, we take it on and you
feel it like it's your feeling. So you can't tell
the difference between you say, next to somebody's sad, all
of a sudden, you're sad. You say, next to somebody
that's in pain, all of a sudden, you're in pain.
It feels like it's yours and that it's very confusing
and challenging until you figure that out.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So all right, you had this incredible gifts from very early.
Is it a gift? Do we call it a gift?
Indible gift? As a young kid, you're dealing with this,
trying to stay on the rails not you know, keep
yourself from thinking you're nuts. Supportive parents. Do you say
(09:46):
to do you? How do you start to think about
your your life in terms of Okay, I want to
be what a therapist? I want to be? What do
you what do you start to think?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I was like twelve years old and I snuck into
the movie Poltergeist because I wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there's the scene where there's a psychic in the movie,
I like professional psychic, and she gives this little definition
about like what's going on, like why what's a ghost?
Why do some people get stuck? And what do you
do about it? And I was like jaw dropped, Like
first of all, somebody knew something. And it was in
that moment I was like, I'm gonna do that. I'm
(10:28):
gonna do that. I'm going to be a professional psychic.
And I did. I started when I was nineteen. It
was nuts. This was back in the eighties, and I
don't know why. I mean, I think just when you're nineteen,
you think you can do things, so you do them right.
And I was in college. I graduated from college and
quickly learned I didn't have enough skill to really do
what I wanted to do. So I went back to
(10:50):
school and became a therapist. And for a long time
I combined those two together, and then in you know,
in the nineties, I learned reiki and added that into
my work. And now mostly I write books and teach
train other people who whose psychic abilities are awakening to
manage their gifts. I would say my mission in life
(11:11):
is a training army of dealers to go out there
and save the planet.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
What is just defined psychic? What is the psychic?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, we are all psychic, so let's start with that.
Everyone has a capacity for that. And I think that really,
like I kind of love the old school definition ESP,
which is like, we're we just have an expanded perception,
so we're picking up on things that maybe other people don't.
We're paying attention, you know, we filter out a lot
(11:39):
of the sensory, you know, experiences that we're having. So
I think psyche is for people that process more sensory
data than other people, and that some of those senses
expand beyond the physical into the realms of the energetic,
right into the realm, even to the realm of spirit.
So some psychic specialize in talking to dead people would
(12:00):
call them mediums. I would say, I'm not a medium,
but medium ship happens. Some psychics are, you know, sort
of looking at scare glimpses of the future or the past.
But I think that most of us have an intuition,
is kind of a kind of psychic ability, and I
(12:20):
think all of us have that, Like we every single
human has had many, many psychic experiences. And it could
be that little voice in your head that tells you
to take your umbrella because it's going to rain, or
take the back road today because there's a pile up
on the highway, or you know that feeling you get
when you meet somebody for the first time and you
get the wiggies, or you feel something really like oh
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that person, that's like it. That's an intuitive impression, you know,
And sometimes it's really dramatic, like like it was for me,
like seeing dead people and angels and spirits and colors
and you know, experiencing this other dimension or other world
that is around us that not everyone has access to.
But sometimes it's just super practical, like we use it.
(13:05):
We those hunches, nudges, the phone rings, you know it's
your mom. In fact, you know the phone's gonna ring
five minutes before it rings, and it's going to be
your mom. How do we explain that? Like it's you know,
it's very normal, It's very interwoven into our everyday life.
I feel like it's part of our human birthright and
that quite frankly, we wouldn't have evolved. I don't think
(13:26):
we would have made it past gave Man Days if
we weren't using this as part of our adaptive strategy
of being humans.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
What would you say is your focused or specialty in
this realm?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Besides teaching and training other people. I think my specialty
is really understanding people the level of the soul. So
we have this sort of core essence of who we
are that doesn't change, and if you believe in incarnation reincarnation,
that doesn't change between our lifetimes. We are we have
this you know, original blueprint of who we really are,
(14:03):
and that's what I read. So I might be looking
at your past life history. I might be looking at
what's amazing about you, what you came here to do,
what your gifts are, what your future trajectory is, what
is blocking you from living in your gifts, what your relationships,
your soul contracts with your people are. That's what I
really like to do the most, and I just do
(14:25):
whatever shows up in my office, which is why I
say things like mediumship happens, or you know, helping people
make helping people who are stuck find a spiritual way forward,
helping people who are in crisis understand things kind of
from the soul's I view, that's all. I'm all that
down for all of that. I don't do lottery numbers though.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
A lot of a lot of people listening to this
obviously are therapists or coaches of all kinds. Healers. Yes,
what do you? How do you interact with them? How
do you work with them?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What do you I work with them a lot and
helping train them quite frequently. And I feel like all healers,
all therapists, coaches are naturally intuitive. We are already using
those gifts to dial in you know, I know, if
you're a coach or a therapist, or sometime you opened
your mouth and you said something super extra cool that
(15:28):
totally was like on point, and you're like what I
was like? That was way more cool than I usually
Where'd that come from?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah? And so that's an intuitive moment. That's a moment
where you know you're higher self stepped in or your
spirit guide stepped in, and you you were somebody's angel
in that moment to say that, And I think the
best therapists are use a combination of you know, their
knowledge and experience guided with intuition. We feel, we feel
(15:57):
what other people are feeling, and we have a way
about works on it that you know, to witness it
and other people that that's really incredibly healing. So I
think they go together hand in glove. I mean, I
don't I don't know any healers. Maybe if we get
into like the real medical folks, that medical school sort
of tends to beat this quality out of people.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
But besides that or not not even honor it. Yeah,
they they're coming at it from a different angle. Certainly,
maybe that's changing now. But so would you say that
you know you prefaced everything by saying, you know, we're
all special. Yeah we are, but let's face it, not
all of us have can say we have the access,
(16:43):
the full access that you're talking about here, Is.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
That what it is? Would you say you have more
doors are opened to your intuition than a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think that's such a great question, and I think
that this is a lot like musical ability is an ability.
So I wrote a book called Awakening or Psychic Abilities,
because I feel like it's like athletic ability or music ability.
Everybody has some but if you look at you know,
some people have more potential for others. It depends on
what your purpose is in life. And whatever abilities we have,
(17:20):
we need to practice. So we don't see a professional
musician or athlete without we don't. We know they practice
a lot. They've dedicated their life to, you know, reaching
that level of mastery, and it if anyone can take
their potential and develop it to their mastery anyone, if
you're willing to do the work. It takes work to
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do that.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So in terms of the healers who are listening, I
think that's a good question to ask, what are some
things that maybe they can do to strengthen, strengthen this ability.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I think one of the easiest, quickest, most satisfying things
to do is to start what I call a psychic journal,
and you just take a journal and you start writing
down your dreams, if you remember them, your hunches, your nudges,
your impressions, if you're pulling oracle cards, write them down
in there. These psychic impressions we have are very ephemeral.
(18:18):
They're a lot like dreams. They're very powerful in the moment,
and if we don't record it, they're kind of they're gone.
And then you know, you get a feeling something's going
to happen on a Monday, and then by the time
it happens on a Wednesday, you might have forgotten about
it unless you wrote it down. And I think if
you start also, what we pay attention to tends to
grow develop strengthen. I always say, like when I wrote
(18:42):
a book about psychic development, I call it pay attention,
but that that's not it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But you know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That that does really help. And then I think some
you know, get a deck of oracle cards, start pulling them,
that they really can help open the channels on this
a little bit more meditation. I think. The other thing
we need to do is make time to quiet. We
have to be the These impressions come in into the
right side of the brain, the intuitive side of the brain.
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We need to find waste when we're in the alpha
state brain wave state. So if you're constantly go, go, go,
an analytical beta brain beta brain wave, you're not going
to get it. And so we need a minute where
it's quiet. You know too, Maybe you just drive with
the music off for a minute. Maybe you wash the dishes.
(19:31):
Is great. Here's a great exercise to try get your
psychic journal. Write a question and then do an activity
that engages your hands and your brain gently like wash
the dishes, walk, take a shower, walk the dog full
of the laundry with quiet, with no music or sound,
and then wait to see what arises. And that puts
you in the alpha brainwave state. Wait to see what
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arises a hunch, a nudge, a feeling, a knowing, an
aha moment like oh that's the answer. Psychics get their
best hits in the shower.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's like we you know, we relax, we calm down,
we go into that alpha brain wave. Anyone can try
that and if you spend more time in the alpha
brain wave state and you pay attention, you're going to
notice and develop the skill a lot more.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And this skill that we're talking about here, is it
being more in tuned with ourselves and our own intuition
or is it are we talking about being more in
touch with everything around us? Or both?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's really both. And I make a slight distinction between
intuition and psychic. So for me, intuition is our inner knowing.
It's our inner wisdom, coming from your higher self, coming
from your instincts, coming from whatever you believe, your soul,
whatever you believe in, whatever language works there for you.
And that is that, Like we tend to feel that
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in our bodies, in our our felt sense, like I
have a good bad feeling about it, and our knowing,
our inner knowing, I knew that was gonna happen, And
that tends to be how our intuition comes to us,
and that is constantly happening. If you're paying attention. A
lot of times our mind comes in and ignores, you know,
like that's silly, why why are you doing that? Like
that's dumb, you know, so we kind of push it away.
(21:20):
Psychic is to me when we get information from outside
of our own system, and this might be we're reading
the future a little bit, or we're I believe in
spirit guides because they see them all the time, Angels dead,
Uncle Fred, you know, the ascended masters who we all
have sort of a team of spiritual beings that are
(21:41):
here helping us, assisting us with our life. Thank goodness,
because it would be hard to be here without them.
And psychic is more that it's more tuning into information
from outside of ourselves. And the most common psychic experience.
I found this fascinating. There was a Gallup poll was
done in like the nineties. Then they interviewed quite a
(22:02):
lot of people, like three thousand people, and eighty percent
of them confess to having this experience. It's called the
deathbed visitation, and it's having a dream or an experience
with somebody who just died. You dream Uncle Fred died,
and you dream about Uncle Fred that night, you know,
Or you wake up in the middle of the night
and Uncle Bed's standing at the foot of your bed,
or you have a knowing like, oh gosh, how's Uncle Fred.
(22:25):
Like we we have this that eighty percent of people.
This is not amazing, you know, and the same eighty
percent of people said they never told anybody about it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Wow. Yeah, that is a really interesting distinction between intuition
and psychic ability. You know, I think in our culture
there exists an impression of psychic and psychics and psychic
(23:01):
ability is Yeah, really is that changing?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, I do. I mean I think that's always been there,
and certainly there always has been Charlatan scammers, you know,
back from the early days of this spirit the spiritual
spiritualist movement, even back in the eighteen hundreds, so you know,
tea room readers like it. There there's sort of a
(23:33):
certain amount of people who are are not ethical or
well trained, right, And you know, when I was going
through this in the sixties, seventies and eighties, it was
really not something you talked about. Psychic was like, you know,
an eight hundred number or you know, like a nine
hundred number you pay for like five minutes, you know,
(23:54):
And that it's now and nowadays it's sort of like
psychics on TV, paranormal tvss on TikTok, you know, reiki
in hospitals, like it's all over social media, and I
feel like there's a much varider acceptance for this. Maybe
there's something to this. And I think that also there
are more psychic people because as we do things like
(24:17):
I always say the trifecta yoga, reiki, and meditation tend
to open people's natural abilities. So I just see more
and more psychic people than ever. And I don't know
if it's because we're becoming more psychic if we're just
allowed to talk about it, or and we're doing things
that actually stimulate and open our psychic senses. I think
it's sort of all of the above that we have.
(24:40):
There's so much more leeway when certainly when I had
when I was growing up to talk about it, and
I just you know, constantly flighted with people who are
having really strong psychic openings that need help. That's kind
of my specialty, one of my specialties. You know, you
took a reiki training, or you went to yoga teacher
(25:01):
training and you did you've been meditating a lot, or
you know, you did some plant medicine or whatever it is,
and now, boom, your psychic is really open and it
can be very You're having dreams, you're seeing things out
of the corner of your eye, you're feeling the presence
of you know, something around you, or those experiences can
(25:23):
be really disconcerting, frightening, scary, if you if we don't
have if we don't have some help to help us
navigate that kind of opening.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
First of all, when you were growing up, you talked
about your parents and how supportive they were, and yet
there were times when you were like, you know, am
I going to go off the rails? I think gonna
take me away? How did you get anchored? How did
you keep grounded? Were you ever scared with these experience,
by these experiences or what?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There were times I was scared pretty few the grounding,
I mean, I just I just was. I think it
was very athletic. So I did a lot of sports,
and I studied martial arts. I really wanted to be
a Jedi night, so I went to you know, I
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went to martial arts school, and it was like kind
of mystical, you know what I mean. It kind of
gave me like plus, my parents were Unitarians, they really
were hippies, and I had sort of like a broader
framework that I could put these Star Wars you know,
when Star Wars came out, and it gave me this
kind of like context for metaphysical context that I made
(26:38):
sense to me. It made sense of my experiences and
you know, the my lived experience. So I just felt
like I never felt like there was anything wrong with me.
I never felt like, you know, I just knew this
was what I was meant to do. I don't know,
I was born with one of those people, born with
a very strong mission and knew from the beginning what
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it was.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's very interesting to me. You know, you're talking about.
One of the things you're talking about is, you know,
developing our psychic ability, and we will put that in
context with healers or therapists or coaches. There's a combination.
It's a very interesting profession, I think, because it's there's
(27:23):
a combination of you know, knowledge book knowledge and understanding
certain techniques and modalities. And yet not unlike I guess
an artist or singer right whose instrument is themselves, therapists
you're talking about developing that their ability, their psychic ability
(27:44):
and themselves. That's a whole other aspect of development that
needs to happen, but so crucial.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right absolutely. You know, when I went to therapy school,
I got all the book learning I needed and then
I would put they put they put me in a clinic, right,
and I supervision and I that's where I really learned, Right.
So the book knowledge is, you know, the the fundamental
you know, frameworks and methodologies that we need are really important,
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but we also need that practice. We need practice, we
need feedback. So like I literally do supervision in my
psychic development classes where we run practice sessions we do,
we give that feedback. And I also am extremely grateful
for that early training because I feel like it gave
me really solid framework to deal with people's trauma, because
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that is what I get day in and day out.
And so I'm my students are often coming to me
from the other direction. They're they're wiki practitioners, or they're
they're doing and they're they're entering into this therapeutic world
without that background. So I feel like one of my
jobs is to kind of help them. What do you
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do when someone's suicidal? What do you do when someone
has severe addiction or mental health issues, which is you know,
bereavement loss. I just see that in my practice, like
you know, like everybody else, like all the other therapists
and coaches do. And I feel like the training that
I had gave me really solid skills for helping people
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through trauma and also really strong ethical background. So one
of my one of the things my little hobby horses
is teaching ethics to psychics to healers who maybe I
feel like that's a really really important conversation to have,
and we need some kind of professional guidelines around when
do we share our psychic information and how do we
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how do we do that in a way that doesn't
violate other people's bull.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's interesting, give us say a little more about that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So a lot of times like newbie psychics, newbie reaking practitioners,
And I think that this comes about from watching TV,
watching the psychic on TV, you know, who just walks
into somewhere in bolarts out random psychic information with out
asking the person's permission. Right, So I think that's that's
a practice that creates a lot of difficulty for that.
(30:10):
That's not cool to do that, right. So I really
have a don't ask, don't tell policy, like I'm not
going to tell you anything unless you ask. I don't
share psychic information without asking, without permission, you know, and
even in the middle of a session, I might you know,
say it well, I'm feeling a past life. Is that
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okay to talk about it? I don't assume that it
is asking for permission during every step of the process.
Can I touch you? Because I work with my hands
on people. Are you comfortable being touched? Can we talk
about this? How do you feel about that? You know,
so that I'm constantly referring that choice back to my
client and not making assumptions about what is okay with
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them and what isn't. And I know plenty of people
will run into a lot of trouble with psychics who
blurted out in public really personal information or really wrong information.
You know, we we as psychics, people tend to really
believe what we say. I mean, some people don't. But
you know, you have to plant, be careful about the
(31:15):
seeds you plant. And somebody, especially if you're doing energy work,
they're in an altered state. They're sort of that in
that hypnogogic state, and you know, you know, oh my god,
I think you have cancer and the doctors will never
find it. I've heard that one. I've done a lot
of clean up sessions for people who have been you know,
(31:35):
you know, run over by psychics with bad ethics.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
My guess today is Lisa Campion, author, teacher, Lisa, what
are you working on at present? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm writing another book. I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know why I know, I don't know why
I keep doing this. It's the sixth book, and it's
this one's really fun. It's called Sacred Reparenting, Spiritual and
Intuitive Healing for your Inner Child. So wow, I'm doing
an inner childbook from more of a psychic spiritual perspective,
(32:13):
and right now it's it's killing me, but I'll be
so proud of myself when it's done. That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Awesome, all right? So how do people learn more about
you and what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They can find me at Lisacampion dot com. Definitely stop
by visit. I have a lot of free resources on
my website. I have a YouTube channel. You can check
out a lot of free resources too, in a podcast
called the Miracle of Healing.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Awesome, and we'll have all that linked up here at
the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Lisa,
love you so inspiring. Love to have you back at
a later date. It seems like there's a lot to
talk about, but really appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Guy. All Right, we'll be in touch them. Posiple F
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welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have as
my guest today, Lisa Campion. Lisa, welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Thank you so much guy, So glad to be here
with you.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Awesome. So. Lisa is a psychic counselor, reiky master teacher
and the best selling author of the Art of Psychic Reiki,
Energy Healing for Empaths and more. With over twenty five
years of experience and fifteen thousand sessions, she's trained thousands
in Reichi and energy healing. Her mission is to help
people awaken their psychic and healing gifts through her courses
(00:52):
and cheat teachings. Excuse me, gently, powerfully, and with grace.
All right, Lisa, just a bit about you, obviously, but
before we get going, share with the listeners where you're
from originally and where you are currently.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I grew up just outside of Boston, and I haven't
gone far I'm in Rhode Island, so I'm a New
England girl.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Nice, nice, all right, So let's start out if we
can broadly and then get more specific. Reichy what is it?
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So it's a really gentle, hands on energy healing technique
from Japan. It's pretty old. It's been around for a
while and it is Some people say like acupuncture without needles,
but I think it's more like connecting with the universe,
this sort of flow of universal life worce energy and
reiki practitioners learn how to transmit or give that energy
(01:50):
to their clients.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
When I learned it in nineteen ninety nine, it was
kind of a fringe, weird thing to do, and these
days it's eight hundred hospitals in the United States, especially
here in New England where I'm at, we have some
of the best hospitals in the world and they have
full time reiki staff that are you know, if you
you know, if you get cancer, you're getting treated at
Dana Farber, the you know, leading cancer therapy place in
(02:17):
the world. You're gonna get reiki before and after your
cancer treatments. You know, it's really it's in pain clinics
for non narcotic pain use, and it's really great for
mental health issues, depression, anxiety, and I think the best
thing about it is anyone can learn it, like you,
you don't have to be special. I mean, guy, we're
all special.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But yeah, let's just start out by saying that.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
We're all special. But all of us can learn reiki.
Anyone can learn and I've taught kids, I've taught you know, anybody,
any old person can learn it.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
All right, look, how did how the hell did this
start for you? How did you get into this?
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Gosh? Well, you know, I was what was born in
the sixth sees, just sat outside Boston, and I was
one of those I see dead people kids. I just
was super psychic. It was inextremely weird thing to be
back then. I was just trying to figure out what
was happening. I was seeing things abound, colors around people.
I've seeing spirits, dead people. I was having the full
(03:18):
on psychic experience. But back then, nobody that's not a thing.
That wasn't a thing. I was just trying to stay,
you know, stay out of a mental hospital.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
How old are we talking now?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
My very very very first memories. I was literally born
this way. You know, God bless my hippie parents didn't
like drag me to the church and throw holy water
on me, but you know, they didn't know what to
do there. My mom was like, what an incredible imagination
you have. That's sort of you know, but.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
What did you do when you started seeing this or
experiencing this? How what did you do? How did you react?
What did you think? And did you tell anyone?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I was pretty quiet about it. I think that was
sort of self preservation. My few four ways into telling
people about it didn't go that well. So I was like, Okay,
I guess I'm on my own here, you know. And
I you know, I was never really afraid, which when
I look back on that, I think that's funny. You know,
that's sort of odd. I was way more afraid of
(04:16):
living people and continue to be. Living people are scary
to me, but you know, spirits not so much.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Okay, so let's get a little specific. You said you
saw colors around what just certain people? When it met someone, it.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Kind of would depend, you know, like if I was
in a relaxed state, which is still really normal, like
you know, to be like relaxed daydreaming and that sort
of alpha brain wave is when we're the most intuitive,
most psychic. And I would see that. I would I
would see what I called the gray people around my
bed at night. And I grew up in one of
(04:55):
those big Victorian houses, you know, and it was super hanted,
so I just I would see those things in experience.
I knew that if I talked to them and I listened,
they would feel better and then they would go away.
Psychos therapy and it later became a therapist, which is
sort of funny, but you know, so I was trying
(05:16):
to figure out what was going on I was at
the same time, I was trying to pretend to be
normal in public. And my hippie parents were cool. So
they took me to transcendental meditation when I was ten,
because that's what you did when you were hippie in
nineteen seventy four, and so I learned how to meditate.
They did this thing called the Silver Method. Now it's
called the Silver Method. Back then it was called Silver
(05:36):
mind control, which they talked about spirit guides, they talked
about meditation. I was in high school, you know, I
had this fortunate set of kind of interventions that helped
me understand and then I went to college in the
nineteen eighties and it was the dawn of the New Age, hallelujah,
and all of a sudden there were books, new Age bookstores,
(05:58):
psychic teachers. Then. You know, I feel it was kind
of a hard road. I'm not I'm not gonna lie.
It was challenging for me a lot. And nowadays I
feel really motivated and passionate about helping other people awaken psychically, spiritually,
who are awakenings. I feel passionate about helping them do
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it in a much more beautiful, graceful way than I did.
It was like school hard knocks for me. So if
I can help somebody else go through that in a
better way than I did, That's That's what I'm all about.
That's what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Along with this gift or access or these experiences, was
there were you an EmPATH as well? Do they go
hand in hand or.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
They often do?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Okay, they often do. And I, of course, back then,
there wasn't a term for that. You know, that's sort
of a recent idea. I just knew that I was sensitive.
I was often told I was too sensitive, and I
had this experience when I was in college of really
understanding what that was like. I went to a party,
(07:12):
you know, freshman year, and I sat down next to
this guy. He was super depressed. He's crying into his beer.
I sat down next to him. He's telling me everything,
because that's what people do when you're an EmPATH. This
they tell you their whole life story. And I was like,
all of a sudden, I felt terrible. I was like
crushing depression. I was like, what is wrong with me?
I gotta leave, like I've got I gotta get out
(07:33):
of here. And I really was like, I'm crazy, I'm crazy,
there is something wrong with me. And I walked out
of It was a house party. I walked out of
the house and I turned around and I saw him
through the window, still crying into his beer. But I
felt fine. I was like, oh, I feel like myself again.
I was eighteen. And it was in that moment that
I realized it wasn't me that I was feeling what
(07:56):
he was feeling. And of course that word EmPATH, high
sensitive person, that wasn't a thing. I just knew that
I that I that it wasn't me, and that I
needed to figure out what to do about that. You know,
so I became very dedicated to kind of like psychic
self defense is what I call it, but like energy
management and really learning how to tell the difference between
(08:18):
my experience and somebody else's experience. And that's still a lifelong,
you know, study for me.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
So you kind of defined what an EmPATH was, you said,
someone who's what very sensitive? Yeah? Is it? Is there
a more to the definition than that?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, there's way more. So, I mean we all, hopefully
we all have natural empathy. We don't know what we
all of us don't, but we you know, hopefully that
we do. And that's just like when we notice somebody's
not feeling well, we have sympathy. It's more like, oh,
I'll look at that person. You know, being an EmPATH
is different. It's more it's not just about observing their state,
it's we feel it. So it's like we absorb the
(08:59):
emotion and all. Yeah, we take it on and you
feel it like it's your feeling. So you can't tell
the difference between you say, next to somebody's sad, all
of a sudden, you're sad. You say, next to somebody
that's in pain, all of a sudden, you're in pain.
It feels like it's yours and that it's very confusing
and challenging until you figure that out.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
So all right, you had this incredible gifts from very early.
Is it a gift? Do we call it a gift?
Indible gift? As a young kid, you're dealing with this,
trying to stay on the rails not you know, keep
yourself from thinking you're nuts. Supportive parents. Do you say
(09:46):
to do you? How do you start to think about
your your life in terms of Okay, I want to
be what a therapist? I want to be? What do
you what do you start to think?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I was like twelve years old and I snuck into
the movie Poltergeist because I wanted.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
To know.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
And there's the scene where there's a psychic in the movie,
I like professional psychic, and she gives this little definition
about like what's going on, like why what's a ghost?
Why do some people get stuck? And what do you
do about it? And I was like jaw dropped, Like
first of all, somebody knew something. And it was in
that moment I was like, I'm gonna do that. I'm
(10:28):
gonna do that. I'm going to be a professional psychic.
And I did. I started when I was nineteen. It
was nuts. This was back in the eighties, and I
don't know why. I mean, I think just when you're nineteen,
you think you can do things, so you do them right.
And I was in college. I graduated from college and
quickly learned I didn't have enough skill to really do
what I wanted to do. So I went back to
(10:50):
school and became a therapist. And for a long time
I combined those two together, and then in you know,
in the nineties, I learned reiki and added that into
my work. And now mostly I write books and teach
train other people who whose psychic abilities are awakening to
manage their gifts. I would say my mission in life
(11:11):
is a training army of dealers to go out there
and save the planet.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
What is just defined psychic? What is the psychic?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Well, we are all psychic, so let's start with that.
Everyone has a capacity for that. And I think that really,
like I kind of love the old school definition ESP,
which is like, we're we just have an expanded perception,
so we're picking up on things that maybe other people don't.
We're paying attention, you know, we filter out a lot
(11:39):
of the sensory, you know, experiences that we're having. So
I think psyche is for people that process more sensory
data than other people, and that some of those senses
expand beyond the physical into the realms of the energetic,
right into the realm, even to the realm of spirit.
So some psychic specialize in talking to dead people would
(12:00):
call them mediums. I would say, I'm not a medium,
but medium ship happens. Some psychics are, you know, sort
of looking at scare glimpses of the future or the past.
But I think that most of us have an intuition,
is kind of a kind of psychic ability, and I
(12:20):
think all of us have that, Like we every single
human has had many, many psychic experiences. And it could
be that little voice in your head that tells you
to take your umbrella because it's going to rain, or
take the back road today because there's a pile up
on the highway, or you know that feeling you get
when you meet somebody for the first time and you
get the wiggies, or you feel something really like oh
(12:42):
that person, that's like it. That's an intuitive impression, you know,
And sometimes it's really dramatic, like like it was for me,
like seeing dead people and angels and spirits and colors
and you know, experiencing this other dimension or other world
that is around us that not everyone has access to.
But sometimes it's just super practical, like we use it.
(13:05):
We those hunches, nudges, the phone rings, you know it's
your mom. In fact, you know the phone's gonna ring
five minutes before it rings, and it's going to be
your mom. How do we explain that? Like it's you know,
it's very normal, It's very interwoven into our everyday life.
I feel like it's part of our human birthright and
that quite frankly, we wouldn't have evolved. I don't think
(13:26):
we would have made it past gave Man Days if
we weren't using this as part of our adaptive strategy
of being humans.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
What would you say is your focused or specialty in
this realm?
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Besides teaching and training other people. I think my specialty
is really understanding people the level of the soul. So
we have this sort of core essence of who we
are that doesn't change, and if you believe in incarnation reincarnation,
that doesn't change between our lifetimes. We are we have
this you know, original blueprint of who we really are,
(14:03):
and that's what I read. So I might be looking
at your past life history. I might be looking at
what's amazing about you, what you came here to do,
what your gifts are, what your future trajectory is, what
is blocking you from living in your gifts, what your relationships,
your soul contracts with your people are. That's what I
really like to do the most, and I just do
(14:25):
whatever shows up in my office, which is why I
say things like mediumship happens, or you know, helping people
make helping people who are stuck find a spiritual way forward,
helping people who are in crisis understand things kind of
from the soul's I view, that's all. I'm all that
down for all of that. I don't do lottery numbers though.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
A lot of a lot of people listening to this
obviously are therapists or coaches of all kinds. Healers. Yes,
what do you? How do you interact with them? How
do you work with them?
Speaker 2 (15:06):
What do you I work with them a lot and
helping train them quite frequently. And I feel like all healers,
all therapists, coaches are naturally intuitive. We are already using
those gifts to dial in you know, I know, if
you're a coach or a therapist, or sometime you opened
your mouth and you said something super extra cool that
(15:28):
totally was like on point, and you're like what I
was like? That was way more cool than I usually
Where'd that come from?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
You know?
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah? And so that's an intuitive moment. That's a moment
where you know you're higher self stepped in or your
spirit guide stepped in, and you you were somebody's angel
in that moment to say that, And I think the
best therapists are use a combination of you know, their
knowledge and experience guided with intuition. We feel, we feel
(15:57):
what other people are feeling, and we have a way
about works on it that you know, to witness it
and other people that that's really incredibly healing. So I
think they go together hand in glove. I mean, I
don't I don't know any healers. Maybe if we get
into like the real medical folks, that medical school sort
of tends to beat this quality out of people.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
But besides that or not not even honor it. Yeah,
they they're coming at it from a different angle. Certainly,
maybe that's changing now. But so would you say that
you know you prefaced everything by saying, you know, we're
all special. Yeah we are, but let's face it, not
all of us have can say we have the access,
(16:43):
the full access that you're talking about here, Is.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
That what it is? Would you say you have more
doors are opened to your intuition than a lot of us.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I think that's such a great question, and I think
that this is a lot like musical ability is an ability.
So I wrote a book called Awakening or Psychic Abilities,
because I feel like it's like athletic ability or music ability.
Everybody has some but if you look at you know,
some people have more potential for others. It depends on
what your purpose is in life. And whatever abilities we have,
(17:20):
we need to practice. So we don't see a professional
musician or athlete without we don't. We know they practice
a lot. They've dedicated their life to, you know, reaching
that level of mastery, and it if anyone can take
their potential and develop it to their mastery anyone, if
you're willing to do the work. It takes work to
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do that.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So in terms of the healers who are listening, I
think that's a good question to ask, what are some
things that maybe they can do to strengthen, strengthen this ability.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I think one of the easiest, quickest, most satisfying things
to do is to start what I call a psychic journal,
and you just take a journal and you start writing
down your dreams, if you remember them, your hunches, your nudges,
your impressions, if you're pulling oracle cards, write them down
in there. These psychic impressions we have are very ephemeral.
(18:18):
They're a lot like dreams. They're very powerful in the moment,
and if we don't record it, they're kind of they're gone.
And then you know, you get a feeling something's going
to happen on a Monday, and then by the time
it happens on a Wednesday, you might have forgotten about
it unless you wrote it down. And I think if
you start also, what we pay attention to tends to
grow develop strengthen. I always say, like when I wrote
(18:42):
a book about psychic development, I call it pay attention,
but that that's not it.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
But you know.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
That that does really help. And then I think some
you know, get a deck of oracle cards, start pulling them,
that they really can help open the channels on this
a little bit more meditation. I think. The other thing
we need to do is make time to quiet. We
have to be the These impressions come in into the
right side of the brain, the intuitive side of the brain.
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We need to find waste when we're in the alpha
state brain wave state. So if you're constantly go, go, go,
an analytical beta brain beta brain wave, you're not going
to get it. And so we need a minute where
it's quiet. You know too, Maybe you just drive with
the music off for a minute. Maybe you wash the dishes.
(19:31):
Is great. Here's a great exercise to try get your
psychic journal. Write a question and then do an activity
that engages your hands and your brain gently like wash
the dishes, walk, take a shower, walk the dog full
of the laundry with quiet, with no music or sound,
and then wait to see what arises. And that puts
you in the alpha brainwave state. Wait to see what
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arises a hunch, a nudge, a feeling, a knowing, an
aha moment like oh that's the answer. Psychics get their
best hits in the shower.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
It's like we you know, we relax, we calm down,
we go into that alpha brain wave. Anyone can try
that and if you spend more time in the alpha
brain wave state and you pay attention, you're going to
notice and develop the skill a lot more.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And this skill that we're talking about here, is it
being more in tuned with ourselves and our own intuition
or is it are we talking about being more in
touch with everything around us? Or both?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
It's really both. And I make a slight distinction between
intuition and psychic. So for me, intuition is our inner knowing.
It's our inner wisdom, coming from your higher self, coming
from your instincts, coming from whatever you believe, your soul,
whatever you believe in, whatever language works there for you.
And that is that, Like we tend to feel that
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in our bodies, in our our felt sense, like I
have a good bad feeling about it, and our knowing,
our inner knowing, I knew that was gonna happen, And
that tends to be how our intuition comes to us,
and that is constantly happening. If you're paying attention. A
lot of times our mind comes in and ignores, you know,
like that's silly, why why are you doing that? Like
that's dumb, you know, so we kind of push it away.
(21:20):
Psychic is to me when we get information from outside
of our own system, and this might be we're reading
the future a little bit, or we're I believe in
spirit guides because they see them all the time, Angels dead,
Uncle Fred, you know, the ascended masters who we all
have sort of a team of spiritual beings that are
(21:41):
here helping us, assisting us with our life. Thank goodness,
because it would be hard to be here without them.
And psychic is more that it's more tuning into information
from outside of ourselves. And the most common psychic experience.
I found this fascinating. There was a Gallup poll was
done in like the nineties. Then they interviewed quite a
(22:02):
lot of people, like three thousand people, and eighty percent
of them confess to having this experience. It's called the
deathbed visitation, and it's having a dream or an experience
with somebody who just died. You dream Uncle Fred died,
and you dream about Uncle Fred that night, you know,
Or you wake up in the middle of the night
and Uncle Bed's standing at the foot of your bed,
or you have a knowing like, oh gosh, how's Uncle Fred.
(22:25):
Like we we have this that eighty percent of people.
This is not amazing, you know, and the same eighty
percent of people said they never told anybody about it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Wow. Yeah, that is a really interesting distinction between intuition
and psychic ability. You know, I think in our culture
there exists an impression of psychic and psychics and psychic
(23:01):
ability is Yeah, really is that changing?
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Do you think?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yes, I do. I mean I think that's always been there,
and certainly there always has been Charlatan scammers, you know,
back from the early days of this spirit the spiritual
spiritualist movement, even back in the eighteen hundreds, so you know,
tea room readers like it. There there's sort of a
(23:33):
certain amount of people who are are not ethical or
well trained, right, And you know, when I was going
through this in the sixties, seventies and eighties, it was
really not something you talked about. Psychic was like, you know,
an eight hundred number or you know, like a nine
hundred number you pay for like five minutes, you know,
(23:54):
And that it's now and nowadays it's sort of like
psychics on TV, paranormal tvss on TikTok, you know, reiki
in hospitals, like it's all over social media, and I
feel like there's a much varider acceptance for this. Maybe
there's something to this. And I think that also there
are more psychic people because as we do things like
(24:17):
I always say the trifecta yoga, reiki, and meditation tend
to open people's natural abilities. So I just see more
and more psychic people than ever. And I don't know
if it's because we're becoming more psychic if we're just
allowed to talk about it, or and we're doing things
that actually stimulate and open our psychic senses. I think
it's sort of all of the above that we have.
(24:40):
There's so much more leeway when certainly when I had
when I was growing up to talk about it, and
I just you know, constantly flighted with people who are
having really strong psychic openings that need help. That's kind
of my specialty, one of my specialties. You know, you
took a reiki training, or you went to yoga teacher
(25:01):
training and you did you've been meditating a lot, or
you know, you did some plant medicine or whatever it is,
and now, boom, your psychic is really open and it
can be very You're having dreams, you're seeing things out
of the corner of your eye, you're feeling the presence
of you know, something around you, or those experiences can
(25:23):
be really disconcerting, frightening, scary, if you if we don't
have if we don't have some help to help us
navigate that kind of opening.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
First of all, when you were growing up, you talked
about your parents and how supportive they were, and yet
there were times when you were like, you know, am
I going to go off the rails? I think gonna
take me away? How did you get anchored? How did
you keep grounded? Were you ever scared with these experience,
by these experiences or what?
Speaker 2 (25:55):
There were times I was scared pretty few the grounding,
I mean, I just I just was. I think it
was very athletic. So I did a lot of sports,
and I studied martial arts. I really wanted to be
a Jedi night, so I went to you know, I
(26:16):
went to martial arts school, and it was like kind
of mystical, you know what I mean. It kind of
gave me like plus, my parents were Unitarians, they really
were hippies, and I had sort of like a broader
framework that I could put these Star Wars you know,
when Star Wars came out, and it gave me this
kind of like context for metaphysical context that I made
(26:38):
sense to me. It made sense of my experiences and
you know, the my lived experience. So I just felt
like I never felt like there was anything wrong with me.
I never felt like, you know, I just knew this
was what I was meant to do. I don't know,
I was born with one of those people, born with
a very strong mission and knew from the beginning what
(27:00):
it was.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
It's very interesting to me. You know, you're talking about.
One of the things you're talking about is, you know,
developing our psychic ability, and we will put that in
context with healers or therapists or coaches. There's a combination.
It's a very interesting profession, I think, because it's there's
(27:23):
a combination of you know, knowledge book knowledge and understanding
certain techniques and modalities. And yet not unlike I guess
an artist or singer right whose instrument is themselves, therapists
you're talking about developing that their ability, their psychic ability
(27:44):
and themselves. That's a whole other aspect of development that
needs to happen, but so crucial.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Right absolutely. You know, when I went to therapy school,
I got all the book learning I needed and then
I would put they put they put me in a clinic, right,
and I supervision and I that's where I really learned, Right.
So the book knowledge is, you know, the the fundamental
you know, frameworks and methodologies that we need are really important,
(28:13):
but we also need that practice. We need practice, we
need feedback. So like I literally do supervision in my
psychic development classes where we run practice sessions we do,
we give that feedback. And I also am extremely grateful
for that early training because I feel like it gave
me really solid framework to deal with people's trauma, because
(28:34):
that is what I get day in and day out.
And so I'm my students are often coming to me
from the other direction. They're they're wiki practitioners, or they're
they're doing and they're they're entering into this therapeutic world
without that background. So I feel like one of my
jobs is to kind of help them. What do you
(28:54):
do when someone's suicidal? What do you do when someone
has severe addiction or mental health issues, which is you know,
bereavement loss. I just see that in my practice, like
you know, like everybody else, like all the other therapists
and coaches do. And I feel like the training that
I had gave me really solid skills for helping people
(29:16):
through trauma and also really strong ethical background. So one
of my one of the things my little hobby horses
is teaching ethics to psychics to healers who maybe I
feel like that's a really really important conversation to have,
and we need some kind of professional guidelines around when
do we share our psychic information and how do we
(29:40):
how do we do that in a way that doesn't
violate other people's bull.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's interesting, give us say a little more about that.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
So a lot of times like newbie psychics, newbie reaking practitioners,
And I think that this comes about from watching TV,
watching the psychic on TV, you know, who just walks
into somewhere in bolarts out random psychic information with out
asking the person's permission. Right, So I think that's that's
a practice that creates a lot of difficulty for that.
(30:10):
That's not cool to do that, right. So I really
have a don't ask, don't tell policy, like I'm not
going to tell you anything unless you ask. I don't
share psychic information without asking, without permission, you know, and
even in the middle of a session, I might you know,
say it well, I'm feeling a past life. Is that
(30:32):
okay to talk about it? I don't assume that it
is asking for permission during every step of the process.
Can I touch you? Because I work with my hands
on people. Are you comfortable being touched? Can we talk
about this? How do you feel about that? You know,
so that I'm constantly referring that choice back to my
client and not making assumptions about what is okay with
(30:53):
them and what isn't. And I know plenty of people
will run into a lot of trouble with psychics who
blurted out in public really personal information or really wrong information.
You know, we we as psychics, people tend to really
believe what we say. I mean, some people don't. But
you know, you have to plant, be careful about the
(31:15):
seeds you plant. And somebody, especially if you're doing energy work,
they're in an altered state. They're sort of that in
that hypnogogic state, and you know, you know, oh my god,
I think you have cancer and the doctors will never
find it. I've heard that one. I've done a lot
of clean up sessions for people who have been you know,
(31:35):
you know, run over by psychics with bad ethics.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
My guess today is Lisa Campion, author, teacher, Lisa, what
are you working on at present? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (31:53):
I'm writing another book. I don't know, I don't know.
I don't know why I know, I don't know why
I keep doing this. It's the sixth book, and it's
this one's really fun. It's called Sacred Reparenting, Spiritual and
Intuitive Healing for your Inner Child. So wow, I'm doing
an inner childbook from more of a psychic spiritual perspective,
(32:13):
and right now it's it's killing me, but I'll be
so proud of myself when it's done. That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Awesome, all right? So how do people learn more about
you and what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
They can find me at Lisacampion dot com. Definitely stop
by visit. I have a lot of free resources on
my website. I have a YouTube channel. You can check
out a lot of free resources too, in a podcast
called the Miracle of Healing.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Awesome, and we'll have all that linked up here at
the show notes page at the Trauma Therapist podcast dot com. Lisa,
love you so inspiring. Love to have you back at
a later date. It seems like there's a lot to
talk about, but really appreciate you being here.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Guy. All Right, we'll be in touch them. Posiple F
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