October 14, 2025 • 34 mins
Dr. Evette Rose is a Holistic Counsellor, and author of 21 books, including the internationally acclaimed Metaphysical Anatomy Volume 1, which explores the emotional roots of over 700 medical conditions.
She’s the founder of Metapsychology Coaching™, the Metaphysical Anatomy Technique (MAT), and Integrative Soulful Therapy (IST), and is known for helping people heal deep trauma and psychosomatic symptoms.
After a near-death experience sparked a profound personal awakening, Evette dedicated her life to healing—working one-on-one with over 7,000 people and leading seminars in more than 43 countries. Her work addresses trauma across the lifespan, including ancestral and early-life experiences, and her compassionate, intuitive approach has made her a trusted guide for those seeking lasting transformation.
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She’s the founder of Metapsychology Coaching™, the Metaphysical Anatomy Technique (MAT), and Integrative Soulful Therapy (IST), and is known for helping people heal deep trauma and psychosomatic symptoms.
After a near-death experience sparked a profound personal awakening, Evette dedicated her life to healing—working one-on-one with over 7,000 people and leading seminars in more than 43 countries. Her work addresses trauma across the lifespan, including ancestral and early-life experiences, and her compassionate, intuitive approach has made her a trusted guide for those seeking lasting transformation.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Trauma Diver's podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
My name is Guimi Ferson, and I interview incredible people
who share the story of how trauma has shaped their lives.
And a big thank you for sponsoring today's episode goes
to my guest and our sponsors. SO five four, three,
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two and one, Our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
I'm very excited to have as my guest today, doctor
Yvette Rose.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yvette welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you so much guy for having me here. I
am so excited. I'm thrilled to be here and to
connect with everyone else.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Appreciate that. So That is a holistic counselor and author
of twenty one books, including the internationally acclaimed Metaphysical Anatomy
Volume one, which explores emotional roots of over seven hundred
medical clinditions. She's a founder of Metapsychology coaching, the Metaphysical
Anatomy Technique, and Intricative Soulful Therapy, and is known for
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helping people hell deep trauma and psychosomatic symptoms. After New
death experience sparked a profound personal awakening that dedicated her
life to healing work one on one with over seven
thousand people leaving seminars in more than forty three countries.
Her work address is trauma across the lifespan, including ancestral
and early life experiences, and a compassionate, intuitive approach has
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made her a trusted guide for those seeking lasting transformation.
That welcome again, before we get going, share with the listeners,
where you're from originally and where you are currently?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Such a great question. So I originally was born in
South Africa, So born in South Africa, and then we
moved to Namibia, which is where I spent my best
childhood years. I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We had sand use on one side, which was my backyard.
We had a river on one end, and then we
had the ocean on the other side. Was in oranyamund
which is kind of like nestled in the corner of
Namibia South like South, so it's right there on the
border between Namibia and South Africa. So you know, in
terms of just nature, we had the best of everything,
and I had a showhorse career and it was just
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absolutely fantastic. It was you know, most kids could you know,
probably only dream of just having sand used as your
playground and then suddenly have a river and then there's
the ocean, so we had this wonderful diversity. And then
we moved back to South Africa, which happened just after
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apartheight also came to an end. And it was and
as a beautiful of a moment, it also was it
was also a moment with so much tension, right you
can only imagine coming from a Maybia, the country where
we didn't really have issues with racism. You know, my
neighbors were you know, completely African, and we got along
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so well, and we went to school together, we would
build threehouses together. And then suddenly I moved to South
Africa and suddenly you can walk to school, you can't
ride your bicycle anymore, you have to look over your
shoulder all the time. And I'm thinking with my parents, mad,
why would you want to live here when we can
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have what we had in a Mobia. So it was
quite a traumatic shift for me, and it was quite
a negative association that I started to form also with
change and with moving forward and creating doing new things.
It was quite a traumatic imprint, and long story short,
I ended up now in Australia. It's funny. I actually
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a few years ago I had two tattoos put under
one foot. One said made in South Africa, the other
one said reborn in Australia. Because when I moved to Australia,
I had the worst chronic fatigue. Guy. It was so bad,
And what was actually happening with my body was it
was saying to me it's safe to rest, and my
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nervous system couldn't accept it. My nervous system couldn't integrate
this car, beautiful news space where I see people walking
with their handbags two blocks to go buy food during lunchtime.
I couldn't comprehend that. And you know, my house didn't
have bars. When when the realist, that agent showed us
the hat, I'm like, where's the bars? Like, sorry, where's
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where's the where's the Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I know?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And sleeping at night, the slightest sound, I'm up and
I'm looking around to see, you know, where did the
sound come from. I walk into rooms, I hit the
door until it hits the wall to make sure that
no one is there. And so this chronic fatigue was
my body's way of finally sensing that my environment is safe.
But a part of me couldn't accept that it is safe. Right,
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That hardwired survival response just would not go. So for me,
it was such a beautiful rebirth to be introduced to
such a beautiful country, where you are received, where you're held.
Every day felt like a holiday, even though we were
working in corporate and we were working really hard. But
it was fun. It was great. It was such a
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great banter that everyone had, which I wasn't used to.
Had come from a very competitive country. You know, everything
is about survival in you know life and also in
your career. There's not a lot of real time for
true friendship. So I had a lot of challenges integrating this.
It was so tough in a way, I was going
through almost a complete breakdown. Right you would think that
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this would be the best time of my life, but
my nervous system just couldn't regulate itself. In all this calmness,
in all this love, it actually triggered me more. And
so this is how I went on my journey. But
long story story, just to answer your question. To answer
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your question, I'm now a mixed salad. You know, I've
been to forty three countries and now we have a
prolonged stopover in Indonesia. So this is where I currently am.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, so thank you for that, and that kind of
leads us right into my next question.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I think you touched on it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But you have a lot going on with your work
and everything you do twenty one books, Jesus, go girl,
my god, How did this.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Interest is passion begin for you? How did it start?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Are you ready for a plot twist? Yes, I actually
want of course, I actually wanted to become a crime
scene investigator. I was studying to become a lawyer and
the crime scene investigator that is what the little event
wanted to become. And I pursued that even though I
was working in corporate I save money to kind of
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study that part time and divine intervention. At the time,
I didn't see it, but it was so expensive and
I didn't have enough money to continue my studies. But
I really held that dream really strong in my heart,
and I continued my journey and with life forcing you
sometimes just to your knees, because we sometimes apply the
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wrong solution to the wrong problem. And that's exactly what
I did, because I didn't want to listen. I didn't
feel safe to hear what was the pain that was
happening inside. Because my father was a clinically diagnosed sociopath.
He was a drug addict, self medicated, and he was
an alcoholic. And I was the only child, and this
man was not an easy person to live with. Thank god,
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I barely saw him, so my exposure to him was
quite to the minimum. He would only be at home
in the morning for three minutes and then he's off
and he goes to work, and he goes to the pub,
and he's back two o'clock in the morning, and we
repeat the same pattern seven days a week. So, thank goodness,
my interaction with him was not a lot, but when
I did have it with him, it was very traumatic.
And my mom was the same. She was the peacekeeper,
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so she kept me balanced. She created that fairy tale
lifestyle for me to just run free and do my
thing right. So, and when I started to fuel the
impact of my relationship with him, because I ended up
in abusive relationships, right, abuse is ended up what regulates you.
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That's your lifestyle. It's not just a past event. It
becomes a lifestyle if you don't know any other way.
And one person once saw how I interacted with my
partner at the time in Australia and that month on Friday,
and that Monday, meaning how he interacted with me. Let
me just put it like that. We were at an event.
I was talking to people and he came to talk
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to me, and she saw that how he behaved to
me perfectly normal interaction. But that Monday she came, she
sat next to me and she said, event, I'm so
sorry if I'm overstepping boundaries, but I really feel like
I need to say this because I can honestly see
that I feel that you are at the receiving end
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of a very abusive relationship. Did you know that guy,
you could have knocked me over with a feather. You
could have knocked me over with a feather. But that conversation,
that that, that two three minute conversation was the awakening
because I said them thinks when she.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Said that to you, what did you? How did you respond?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I was in complete disbelief. I didn't know how to respond.
I said to her, thank you for caring about me,
and I'm going to digest this. And I didn't know
what else to say because I was flabbergasted, like it
takes a lot to live normal to Yeah, It's like,
I'm like, what's your problem? And you know, I but
she was such an well spoken, well educated, she carried
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herself so beautifully it's hard not to respect her. And
when she said that, it knocked me for a sex,
let me tell you. And so I really started to
dive deeper, and I started googling more about abuse of relationships.
And then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh my god,
this is not normal. My life is not normal. And
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the more questions I started to ask more I started
to create and just have awareness of living my life
in comparison, but in a healthy way. This time in
a healthy way, looking at other people's lives, looking at mine,
and that awakening for so strong that I realized I
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didn't want to be in this relationship anymore. I didn't
want to live the life that I had anymore. I
didn't want to drink and smoke anymore. Because long story short,
because we don't we have. I would love to tell
you more, but I want to keep it Bullet points.
We often go into our default when we are on
our knees. I don't know if you've noticed that. We
go back to what we learned and what we copied,
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often from mentors or parents. If we don't, If you
reach that point where you feel so severely depressed, so
severely anxious. Everything that you do is just making you
feel worse. Right, So that's exactly where I was, and
I started to cope in the way that I saw
my father coping, which was alcoholism sorted smoking a lot.
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I was barely twenty two, and I was still really
good at my job. I had an excellent job. I
had three people's jobs. I made myself indispensable. They couldn't
fire me even if they wanted to, but not that
they would because I was a really good employee. I
worked really hard.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That survival competitiveness really carried me through. However, I set
up my life in a way to not feel. I
set up my life in a way to avoid and
so I was using all these crutches to not feel
the distress and the trauma that I had from my
childhood and awakening to that. It was so intense that
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I woke up one day, five o'clock in the morning
and I just said, what am I waking up for?
What is next? And the answer to that question is
just the same day even and then what is next?
The same day? And I'm thinking, I can't do that.
I just couldn't see myself of living that life anymore.
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And this was a place where I would say the
dark Knight of the soul. I hit rock bottom and
just the trigger warning. This was where I decided I'm
going to just end it because nothing makes sense anymore.
And I didn't know how to move out of it.
I didn't know how to get out and what my life,
the relationship everything. I was a very angry person. Guy,
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I was a very angry person. I used my anger
that I had towards my father as my gasoline. That
was my petrol, right, that moved me forward in life
to bring me back up when things would get would
go wrong. That corsal, that adrenaline was addicted to. It
was a drug to me, and it also exhausted me
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at the same time. Right, it's exhausting to always be angry.
I mean, we try to find happiness, but we fight
for happiness. Well, sorry, you're in the wrong mind frame
and mindset to create happiness. That's the opposite polarity, running
in the opposite direction. You're never gonna get it right. So,
and that's exactly where I was stuck. And so I
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was an atheist at the time. I was raised Christian,
and I just could not think even off turning to God.
I could not even think of counseling a psychologist or
you know any of that. I was just no, there's nothing,
nothing exists.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So I sat there in front of the computer, just
after I left the voicemail on my manager's phone, leaving
all my passwords, all my projects, everything, so that I
don't leave everyone hanging, right, because I was not going
to be there anymore. Like I was. I was very serious.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I was.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I was done. And I sat there and just as
I wanted to google how to end it, I had
this voice that was it didn't sound like mine. It
had quite a masculine feel to it. And it's that
voice if you had to sit there and sing Happy
Birthday to yourself in your head without moving your mouth.
It exactly was like that type of dialogue. And something
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came in and said, you're asking the wrong question. Now,
something tapped on my greatest strength, and that is discipline.
I'm a very highly disciplined and extremely determined person. That
my determination was pushed into building someone else's business instead
of focusing on my mental health. I had the drive,
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I had the dedication, which is going in the wrong direction,
and that question came was, well, why are other people
happy and you're not? What is it that they're doing
that you're not? Long story short, I changed the search
bar and I typed in how to be happy? And now,
back then, way back then, do you know what came up?
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Dorian Virtue, crystals, Neil Donald Walls, conversations with God. And
I sat there and I was in tears. And now
I'm thinking that this is God playing a game with me,
because this is now just an extra prank, your last
final prank. And I don't know, guy, if you can
relate to anyone else, But when you get to a
point where you feel so out of answers and you're
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so unresourceful, who are we sometimes to question the solutions
that's in front of us. Just because we have a
negative association with it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going
to be something that might not be able to help you.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Right. I had trauma.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Associated with spirit with God, so of course there's a
natural aversion to it. And I decided to say, yes,
I'm going to dive into this. So it was nil
and I. It was nil and I for a while,
and it opened up my heart It opened up my
mind again, the beautiful way that he wrote these books,
and I started diving into you know, how do we
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connect with these angels? How do I connect to crystals?
How do I play with all of this? And guy,
guess what? Three months later I quit my corporate job.
I quit my corporate job, and I started a person
development company. I found a business partner and went wildly successful.
There's the determined and discipline event just GOINGO. Right, I
did it?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So WOWND, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
This is bullet point a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Very intense, very intense.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Did you you said you didn't want to deal with
any therapists or anything like that, so you didn't seek
any kind of help in that way?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I did that involved spirituality, not traditional psychologists, because I
was thirteen when a psychologist said to me, I don't
know how to help you, and I never knew. I
never went back.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So, okay, did you share this with any friends or
anything that was going on going on or the trauma or.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
At the time. I didn't have friends. I was working
so hard. I was such an angry person at the
time that I didn't I just didn't want to connect
with people. I didn't have time to invest in people.
When people to my thinking, God, what do you want?
What do you need? Right? So it was all about
people just wanting something from me. And of course that's
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what happens in business. You have a job to do.
But I was working so many hours. And when I
say many hours, let me put it into perspective. We're
talking about at least eighty hours eighty plus hours a week.
That's a lot for corporate And I did that to
get out of the life that I absolutely hate it,
to get out of feeling because it gave me something
else to think about. And so when I started to
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work on myself, this is where I started to connect
to people in community. Right, So I connected with people
in the community, I started building acquaintances. I think you
and I have different definitions of what friends are, but
I definitely had a lot of acquaintances, and so these
people also started to becoming friends later on after I
started the business. But connecting now to these people in
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the community, you know, working back and forth with one another,
I started to develop this process where I kept hitting
a wall with us the techniques. It worked to a
certain point that I hit a wall and so I thought, okay,
So what is it that I need extra? And what
is it that I need to create extra so that
I can feel more supportive and heal more. So this
is how I ended up developing my own technique, which
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is called metaphysical anatomy technique and it falls under the
meta psychology coaching banner. And this is where I really
started to take off. And so I started to share
this process with these other people and they started to
get really great results. And this is how it just
took off. Made a few videos, put it on YouTube,
and guy, it went viral. It went viral, and I
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was booked out overseas for a year and a half.
And that's where my journey started.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, all right, it's wild, isn't it. Yes, it is wild.
I want to write this down here. All right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So these books you were reading, it sounded like the
classic spiratory yeah books, Yeah, okay, what was it about
those books that got you, that spoke.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
To you right to come back to me? Because all
my power was outside of me. I was constantly waiting
for my partner to make me happy. I was constantly
waiting for my job to give me fulfillment. I was
living on seventeen acres with the tennis court, with a jacuzzi,
in a six bedroom house with wallabies hopping around me.
And I wanted to end my life, like I really,
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if you had to look at my life from outside,
you're like, well, what's your problem? What's your problem? Right? So,
my internal world was collapsing because everything was attached to
other people. And if people in circumstances is going to
regulate your nervous system, you're in for a wild ride.
Because people in circumstances are constantly going to change, They're
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constantly going to fluctuate, and that means that your sanity,
your inner peace, is going to consistently be disrupted. You
will never find that balance. You will never find that
inner peace. And I started to find my inner peace
because it helped me to bring myself back to me,
how to learn how to regulate myself, how to become
my own source of support, how to call on my
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own power, remembering my divinity, remembering that I have a
support team, I have spirits, I have these angels, the
divine guidance that I can tap into. I never felt
alone again.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Were those beliefs that you would hold before but didn't
honor or were these new beliefs that you developed.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
That's a great question. So as a child, I could
speak to my spirit guides. They were fully connected. However,
because of the wiring with going to church and my
father and the trauma that I experienced with the Christian religion,
that was rough. That's where I turned my back, because
your mind is being infiltrated with all these toxic beliefs.
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God will punish you. God hates other you know, beings
or statues. You know, you will be punished. And I
feared God. I absolutely feared it. I feared anything spiritual.
It would it would trigger fight, a flight fear in me,
like very very severe. It took me, you know, I
had to work through my relationship with angels and reading
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what Dori in Virtue said when she was still practicing
at the time, about these divine beings, and this really
softened me to hear someone else say these things, to
see someone else and other people having these beautiful experiences.
I mean, this is a world that I never tapped
into because I'm from a church where they would walk
around and arrest psychics sitting on the street doing readings
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for people. Right, So this this was a complete opposite
flip side of the coin. How my life changed, and
that beautiful opening made me feel safe again to step
back into a world that I knew. But I had
to relearn how to connect, how to feel safe, what
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is okay? What is not okay? So I really had
to feel my way through it. And as I did that,
my focus continued to stay with me. What can event
What can I do to help and support myself during
this process? Which tools can I apply to myself? Where
I could feel and see the changes that came as
a result of my own effort. Absolutely, here and there
I touched on therapists for guidance and support. Absolutely, but
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I felt safer to work on myself because I knew
that I would not let myself down.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Let me just remind everyone, I'm speaking with doctor eve Rose.
So you created your your own business. What was the
purpose for that? What how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Because I saw the changes in myself and I said,
everyone else has to feel this. These people who are
on their knees thinking there's no solution. There is. It's
hard to see a solution.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Let's get specific, get specific about what you do. Now,
how do you those changes with people?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Great, there's a great question So now what I help
people is, first of all, we need to learn how
to feel safe again. One of the key challenges is
the nervous system is not going to regulate itself if
it doesn't feel safe. So we need to find that
place of safety again. We need to find that place
of balance and rewire it to not be attached to toxic,
negative people. Number One circumstances, outcomes, goals. These are all
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complementary to your life. It compliments you. It shouldn't control you,
shouldn't be dependent on that. And this is one of
the main key points for me that I find when
I work with people, that is the most important. Then
we look at emotions, because emotions is the GPS of
the soul. They are the ones that's going to tell
you what you like, what you don't like, what's working
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for you, what's not when you're in pain, when you're
in distress, when something is coming up, when something is
being triggered, when something needs to be looked at. But
we live such a high paced lifestyle that we don't
want to feel anymore, We don't want to connect. But
we need to be able to connect to feel what
this message is so that we can decode what the
body is trying to tell us, because now what we're
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all doing is we're applying the wrong solution to the
problem because we don't understand what the problem is in
the first place. So we become the hamster in the wheel.
So I help people to learn to understand what is
really truly the problem by learning and understanding what are
different sensations, meaning what is the message of it in
your body? What is your body trying to convey to
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you when you feel a certain emotion, What is your
body trying to tell you? What do we need to
do with that? What needs to happen next? Instead of
shut up? Right, So it's more about asking what needs
to happen next, that's the biggest question. So I help
people to understand the impact of their emotions that it's
that we don't need these emotions as a crutch anymore, right,
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because now we build all these coping strategies about around
unresolved trauma, and as these strategies often also which is
called self sabotage and second regains that we have a
hard time letting go of. So it's about rebuilding these structures,
this foundation to feel safe, not having to create hold
on to these bypasses and how to create new healthy
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habits and ways of feeling emotions, working with them and
working through them, and actually really just letting them go
because a lot of people don't know who they are
without their pain. A lot of people feel to the point,
and I'm talking for myself now, where I felt like
a victim. It was my identity. I had no idea
who I was if I was not being a victim.
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It almost to the point became my superpower. Right, Oh,
I'm in the victim mode now because that's how I
get what I want. I'm a victor now because that's
how it can set my boundaries. I'm a victor now,
Yeah you can, you know you can. That vulnerability becomes
a superpower. And so I had to relearn not just
how to let go of this identity, but how to
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restructure my life into being an empowered person where I'm
not blaming people, but I'm taking control of my life. Right,
so helping people also who are stuck in that to
move gracefully and gently with love out of that back
into their powers. So it's really about how we associate
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with ourselves, our identity, how and the biggest challenge that
I see with people when they try to heal is
that they have a fear of change. They have a
fear of the very thing that they need to embrace
in order to create the outcome that they want. So
I help people to work through fear of change as well.
This is so important.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Fear to have.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know, I think I felt myself in that statement
that you.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Just said, yeah, you know, wow. All right, So.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Man, as we kind of wind down here, twenty one books, Jesus,
how the hell do you have time to write twenty
one books?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, I had twenty one blips and blabs and blurbs
in my life.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Every book is about something that I went through, and
I wrote there what I learned about it, and I
also wrote in what I learned working with my clients
as well, So it's it's a really nice blend of
that as well. So you're pretty much reading my diary including,
you know, adding other experiences that I had with clients
and how I supported them through these processes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So who do you work with? Like, who's your idel client?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's a great question. So I am the kind of
person that I rarely say no to people. I normally
work with anyone who needs support. So to answer your question,
I love helping people who are number one stuck, people
who have trauma from the past. They don't want to
go back to the past to heal it or relive it,
which is what I designed my technique specifically to help
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people to not have to relive the trauma. You don't
have to talk about it. And the most and the
most famous part that people love the most is that
they don't need to remember what it was. A lot
of the times trauma was so traumatic they actually don't
want to remember. Well, great, you don't need to We
don't need to go back. We all know how memories
can change. By the validity of a memory can change
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by fifty percent after recalling it almost five times, just
five times change is the validity of an actual memory
by fifty percent the accuracy of it. So I'm very
I'm cautious of working with memories. We'll touch on it,
but I'm more interested in how your body is feeling,
what is stuck in the body, because that never lies.
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It never lies, Because what do you do now with
instances that happened to people before the age of three.
I mean, now we're talking about hardcore nervous system wiring
right the right brain that to stop feeling you know,
eye contact, what's your association with eye contact, what's your
association with touch, what's your association with tone? You know,
your vagual tone, and how did that develop? So all
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these points can now attach also to other traumas that
develop as a child develops after the age of three, four, five, six, right.
So it's a really beautiful process that I love because
I love taking people back to what's called the theater
brainwave state. And it's a gentle breath work that you
can do by breathing in the nose and out the nose,
because we're in the theater brainwave state from up until
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the age of three when we are being you know,
we're programming the whole environment. And it's a beautiful method
to go back to that state to also unprogrammed and
to declutter in a very beautiful and gentle and graceful
way as well. So it's absolutely incredible how we can
work and how I love to work with people. So
anyone also with grief, bereavement, divorce, you know, career challenges, pain,
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psychosomatic pain, chronic pain, maybe person has an element and
they want to understand what is the emotional stress that
could have led up to that or exacerbating it. So
it can help people to manage that a lot better
and more so. There's quite a lot that we can
do and what I love to help people with.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, in terms of your website, tell people what your
website is.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
My website is Metaphysicalanatomy dot com.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, we'll have that link up here at the showman's
page at the Trauma Theapist podcast dot com.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And how do you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Work with people? Is it one on one? I'm consuming
it's virtual.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So absolutely, so I work with people virtually one on one.
I'm also I have packages where people can book a
private retreat with me, so you can come to Bali,
Indonesia and we can work one on one. It will
be fully customized to what your needs are and you
can also go and travel and see you know, the country.
And so we love to do workshops as well. I
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teach people how to understand messages in the body, and
then I also teach a healing technique, which is the
metaphysical anatomy technique, how to dive into the body and
to release that trauma in a really gentle way where
we dive into you know, introspection with interception, newer contagion,
and there's so many beautiful processes that come together, or
breath work, bilateral tapping. You've probably heard of that EMDR,
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but it's not actually that process, but it's a gentle
blend that we borrowed from that as well. Poly vehicle
is also involved. It's a really really gentle process that
gives people also a lot of answers that they've been
looking for inside of the body as well as really
wonderful results. So that is how I work with people.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Lastly, Evet, how would you.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Differentiate your the work you do, the treatment you provide,
healing you provide, how would you compare that to kind
of normal psychotherapy. I know there's really not one type
of psychotherapy, but how would you say yours is differentiating?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
That's a really great question. I mean, I am a psychologist,
but I practice as evat so and it's hard to
answer that question because I love what other people do
in their pro so this is not to say who's
better and who's not what I and this is feedback
from people with just the statistics that we've been recording
as well, and people that I've trained as practitioners, And
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what's coming back in terms of reports is that the
work goes much faster, much much faster. So we've had,
for example, sometimes not in all cases, but a lot
of cases, will have success with depression in one session,
will help someone with PTSD in an hour and a half. Right,
So it's incredibly sped up. And I think when people
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ask me, why do you think that is one of
the reasons what I did when I designed this process,
And this is after working with all these thousands of people,
you see what works, what doesn't. What does the body want?
Not the mind, but the body, Because that's what's really
important is that the body has a way of storing trauma,
but it also has a way of how it wants
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it to be released. And what I see a lot
of people do in processes is they peck at the body.
They peck right, like breath work. I love breath work,
but you know you can you can only breathe so
much on one issue because maybe the body needs something
else right now. You might do psychotherapy on a certain
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trauma and it works, it helps, but then it stalls
because something else is needed. So I've learned what were
these elements that constantly came up in the body that
would cause the body to feel I need more, Well,
what is that? More So I found the answers to that,
and that's how I created this perfect script and this
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algorithm that the body wants and what it needs to
follow to really gently and safely release.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Amazing. I mean, you are on fire.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I love what I do. I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You can feel it. I mean, it's it's it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You've got this intense passion for not only for what
you do, but you can feel.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I can feel how.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You've taken almost like dragged your experience into the presence,
able to use that in the work you do.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It's very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Bless thank you. We'll be in touch, of course, all right,
take care by everyone.
Welcome to the Trauma Diver's podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
My name is Guimi Ferson, and I interview incredible people
who share the story of how trauma has shaped their lives.
And a big thank you for sponsoring today's episode goes
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two and one, Our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
I'm very excited to have as my guest today, doctor
Yvette Rose.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yvette welcome.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Thank you so much guy for having me here. I
am so excited. I'm thrilled to be here and to
connect with everyone else.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Appreciate that. So That is a holistic counselor and author
of twenty one books, including the internationally acclaimed Metaphysical Anatomy
Volume one, which explores emotional roots of over seven hundred
medical clinditions. She's a founder of Metapsychology coaching, the Metaphysical
Anatomy Technique, and Intricative Soulful Therapy, and is known for
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helping people hell deep trauma and psychosomatic symptoms. After New
death experience sparked a profound personal awakening that dedicated her
life to healing work one on one with over seven
thousand people leaving seminars in more than forty three countries.
Her work address is trauma across the lifespan, including ancestral
and early life experiences, and a compassionate, intuitive approach has
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made her a trusted guide for those seeking lasting transformation.
That welcome again, before we get going, share with the listeners,
where you're from originally and where you are currently?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Such a great question. So I originally was born in
South Africa, So born in South Africa, and then we
moved to Namibia, which is where I spent my best
childhood years. I absolutely loved it.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
We had sand use on one side, which was my backyard.
We had a river on one end, and then we
had the ocean on the other side. Was in oranyamund
which is kind of like nestled in the corner of
Namibia South like South, so it's right there on the
border between Namibia and South Africa. So you know, in
terms of just nature, we had the best of everything,
and I had a showhorse career and it was just
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absolutely fantastic. It was you know, most kids could you know,
probably only dream of just having sand used as your
playground and then suddenly have a river and then there's
the ocean, so we had this wonderful diversity. And then
we moved back to South Africa, which happened just after
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apartheight also came to an end. And it was and
as a beautiful of a moment, it also was it
was also a moment with so much tension, right you
can only imagine coming from a Maybia, the country where
we didn't really have issues with racism. You know, my
neighbors were you know, completely African, and we got along
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so well, and we went to school together, we would
build threehouses together. And then suddenly I moved to South
Africa and suddenly you can walk to school, you can't
ride your bicycle anymore, you have to look over your
shoulder all the time. And I'm thinking with my parents, mad,
why would you want to live here when we can
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have what we had in a Mobia. So it was
quite a traumatic shift for me, and it was quite
a negative association that I started to form also with
change and with moving forward and creating doing new things.
It was quite a traumatic imprint, and long story short,
I ended up now in Australia. It's funny. I actually
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a few years ago I had two tattoos put under
one foot. One said made in South Africa, the other
one said reborn in Australia. Because when I moved to Australia,
I had the worst chronic fatigue. Guy. It was so bad,
And what was actually happening with my body was it
was saying to me it's safe to rest, and my
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nervous system couldn't accept it. My nervous system couldn't integrate
this car, beautiful news space where I see people walking
with their handbags two blocks to go buy food during lunchtime.
I couldn't comprehend that. And you know, my house didn't
have bars. When when the realist, that agent showed us
the hat, I'm like, where's the bars? Like, sorry, where's
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where's the where's the Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I know?
Speaker 3 (04:19):
And sleeping at night, the slightest sound, I'm up and
I'm looking around to see, you know, where did the
sound come from. I walk into rooms, I hit the
door until it hits the wall to make sure that
no one is there. And so this chronic fatigue was
my body's way of finally sensing that my environment is safe.
But a part of me couldn't accept that it is safe. Right,
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That hardwired survival response just would not go. So for me,
it was such a beautiful rebirth to be introduced to
such a beautiful country, where you are received, where you're held.
Every day felt like a holiday, even though we were
working in corporate and we were working really hard. But
it was fun. It was great. It was such a
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great banter that everyone had, which I wasn't used to.
Had come from a very competitive country. You know, everything
is about survival in you know life and also in
your career. There's not a lot of real time for
true friendship. So I had a lot of challenges integrating this.
It was so tough in a way, I was going
through almost a complete breakdown. Right you would think that
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this would be the best time of my life, but
my nervous system just couldn't regulate itself. In all this calmness,
in all this love, it actually triggered me more. And
so this is how I went on my journey. But
long story story, just to answer your question. To answer
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your question, I'm now a mixed salad. You know, I've
been to forty three countries and now we have a
prolonged stopover in Indonesia. So this is where I currently am.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Okay, so thank you for that, and that kind of
leads us right into my next question.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
And I think you touched on it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
But you have a lot going on with your work
and everything you do twenty one books, Jesus, go girl,
my god, How did this.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
Interest is passion begin for you? How did it start?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Are you ready for a plot twist? Yes, I actually
want of course, I actually wanted to become a crime
scene investigator. I was studying to become a lawyer and
the crime scene investigator that is what the little event
wanted to become. And I pursued that even though I
was working in corporate I save money to kind of
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study that part time and divine intervention. At the time,
I didn't see it, but it was so expensive and
I didn't have enough money to continue my studies. But
I really held that dream really strong in my heart,
and I continued my journey and with life forcing you
sometimes just to your knees, because we sometimes apply the
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wrong solution to the wrong problem. And that's exactly what
I did, because I didn't want to listen. I didn't
feel safe to hear what was the pain that was
happening inside. Because my father was a clinically diagnosed sociopath.
He was a drug addict, self medicated, and he was
an alcoholic. And I was the only child, and this
man was not an easy person to live with. Thank god,
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I barely saw him, so my exposure to him was
quite to the minimum. He would only be at home
in the morning for three minutes and then he's off
and he goes to work, and he goes to the pub,
and he's back two o'clock in the morning, and we
repeat the same pattern seven days a week. So, thank goodness,
my interaction with him was not a lot, but when
I did have it with him, it was very traumatic.
And my mom was the same. She was the peacekeeper,
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so she kept me balanced. She created that fairy tale
lifestyle for me to just run free and do my
thing right. So, and when I started to fuel the
impact of my relationship with him, because I ended up
in abusive relationships, right, abuse is ended up what regulates you.
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That's your lifestyle. It's not just a past event. It
becomes a lifestyle if you don't know any other way.
And one person once saw how I interacted with my
partner at the time in Australia and that month on Friday,
and that Monday, meaning how he interacted with me. Let
me just put it like that. We were at an event.
I was talking to people and he came to talk
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to me, and she saw that how he behaved to
me perfectly normal interaction. But that Monday she came, she
sat next to me and she said, event, I'm so
sorry if I'm overstepping boundaries, but I really feel like
I need to say this because I can honestly see
that I feel that you are at the receiving end
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of a very abusive relationship. Did you know that guy,
you could have knocked me over with a feather. You
could have knocked me over with a feather. But that conversation,
that that, that two three minute conversation was the awakening
because I said them thinks when she.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Said that to you, what did you? How did you respond?
Speaker 3 (09:11):
I was in complete disbelief. I didn't know how to respond.
I said to her, thank you for caring about me,
and I'm going to digest this. And I didn't know
what else to say because I was flabbergasted, like it
takes a lot to live normal to Yeah, It's like,
I'm like, what's your problem? And you know, I but
she was such an well spoken, well educated, she carried
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herself so beautifully it's hard not to respect her. And
when she said that, it knocked me for a sex,
let me tell you. And so I really started to
dive deeper, and I started googling more about abuse of relationships.
And then I'm thinking, oh my god, oh my god,
this is not normal. My life is not normal. And
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the more questions I started to ask more I started
to create and just have awareness of living my life
in comparison, but in a healthy way. This time in
a healthy way, looking at other people's lives, looking at mine,
and that awakening for so strong that I realized I
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didn't want to be in this relationship anymore. I didn't
want to live the life that I had anymore. I
didn't want to drink and smoke anymore. Because long story short,
because we don't we have. I would love to tell
you more, but I want to keep it Bullet points.
We often go into our default when we are on
our knees. I don't know if you've noticed that. We
go back to what we learned and what we copied,
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often from mentors or parents. If we don't, If you
reach that point where you feel so severely depressed, so
severely anxious. Everything that you do is just making you
feel worse. Right, So that's exactly where I was, and
I started to cope in the way that I saw
my father coping, which was alcoholism sorted smoking a lot.
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I was barely twenty two, and I was still really
good at my job. I had an excellent job. I
had three people's jobs. I made myself indispensable. They couldn't
fire me even if they wanted to, but not that
they would because I was a really good employee. I
worked really hard.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Right.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
That survival competitiveness really carried me through. However, I set
up my life in a way to not feel. I
set up my life in a way to avoid and
so I was using all these crutches to not feel
the distress and the trauma that I had from my
childhood and awakening to that. It was so intense that
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I woke up one day, five o'clock in the morning
and I just said, what am I waking up for?
What is next? And the answer to that question is
just the same day even and then what is next?
The same day? And I'm thinking, I can't do that.
I just couldn't see myself of living that life anymore.
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And this was a place where I would say the
dark Knight of the soul. I hit rock bottom and
just the trigger warning. This was where I decided I'm
going to just end it because nothing makes sense anymore.
And I didn't know how to move out of it.
I didn't know how to get out and what my life,
the relationship everything. I was a very angry person. Guy,
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I was a very angry person. I used my anger
that I had towards my father as my gasoline. That
was my petrol, right, that moved me forward in life
to bring me back up when things would get would
go wrong. That corsal, that adrenaline was addicted to. It
was a drug to me, and it also exhausted me
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at the same time. Right, it's exhausting to always be angry.
I mean, we try to find happiness, but we fight
for happiness. Well, sorry, you're in the wrong mind frame
and mindset to create happiness. That's the opposite polarity, running
in the opposite direction. You're never gonna get it right. So,
and that's exactly where I was stuck. And so I
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was an atheist at the time. I was raised Christian,
and I just could not think even off turning to God.
I could not even think of counseling a psychologist or
you know any of that. I was just no, there's nothing,
nothing exists.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
So I sat there in front of the computer, just
after I left the voicemail on my manager's phone, leaving
all my passwords, all my projects, everything, so that I
don't leave everyone hanging, right, because I was not going
to be there anymore. Like I was. I was very serious.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
I was.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I was done. And I sat there and just as
I wanted to google how to end it, I had
this voice that was it didn't sound like mine. It
had quite a masculine feel to it. And it's that
voice if you had to sit there and sing Happy
Birthday to yourself in your head without moving your mouth.
It exactly was like that type of dialogue. And something
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came in and said, you're asking the wrong question. Now,
something tapped on my greatest strength, and that is discipline.
I'm a very highly disciplined and extremely determined person. That
my determination was pushed into building someone else's business instead
of focusing on my mental health. I had the drive,
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I had the dedication, which is going in the wrong direction,
and that question came was, well, why are other people
happy and you're not? What is it that they're doing
that you're not? Long story short, I changed the search
bar and I typed in how to be happy? And now,
back then, way back then, do you know what came up?
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Dorian Virtue, crystals, Neil Donald Walls, conversations with God. And
I sat there and I was in tears. And now
I'm thinking that this is God playing a game with me,
because this is now just an extra prank, your last
final prank. And I don't know, guy, if you can
relate to anyone else, But when you get to a
point where you feel so out of answers and you're
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so unresourceful, who are we sometimes to question the solutions
that's in front of us. Just because we have a
negative association with it doesn't necessarily mean that it's going
to be something that might not be able to help you.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Right. I had trauma.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Associated with spirit with God, so of course there's a
natural aversion to it. And I decided to say, yes,
I'm going to dive into this. So it was nil
and I. It was nil and I for a while,
and it opened up my heart It opened up my
mind again, the beautiful way that he wrote these books,
and I started diving into you know, how do we
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connect with these angels? How do I connect to crystals?
How do I play with all of this? And guy,
guess what? Three months later I quit my corporate job.
I quit my corporate job, and I started a person
development company. I found a business partner and went wildly successful.
There's the determined and discipline event just GOINGO. Right, I
did it?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
So WOWND, it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
This is bullet point a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Very intense, very intense.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Did you you said you didn't want to deal with
any therapists or anything like that, so you didn't seek
any kind of help in that way?
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I did that involved spirituality, not traditional psychologists, because I
was thirteen when a psychologist said to me, I don't
know how to help you, and I never knew. I
never went back.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
So, okay, did you share this with any friends or
anything that was going on going on or the trauma or.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
At the time. I didn't have friends. I was working
so hard. I was such an angry person at the
time that I didn't I just didn't want to connect
with people. I didn't have time to invest in people.
When people to my thinking, God, what do you want?
What do you need? Right? So it was all about
people just wanting something from me. And of course that's
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what happens in business. You have a job to do.
But I was working so many hours. And when I
say many hours, let me put it into perspective. We're
talking about at least eighty hours eighty plus hours a week.
That's a lot for corporate And I did that to
get out of the life that I absolutely hate it,
to get out of feeling because it gave me something
else to think about. And so when I started to
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work on myself, this is where I started to connect
to people in community. Right, So I connected with people
in the community, I started building acquaintances. I think you
and I have different definitions of what friends are, but
I definitely had a lot of acquaintances, and so these
people also started to becoming friends later on after I
started the business. But connecting now to these people in
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the community, you know, working back and forth with one another,
I started to develop this process where I kept hitting
a wall with us the techniques. It worked to a
certain point that I hit a wall and so I thought, okay,
So what is it that I need extra? And what
is it that I need to create extra so that
I can feel more supportive and heal more. So this
is how I ended up developing my own technique, which
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is called metaphysical anatomy technique and it falls under the
meta psychology coaching banner. And this is where I really
started to take off. And so I started to share
this process with these other people and they started to
get really great results. And this is how it just
took off. Made a few videos, put it on YouTube,
and guy, it went viral. It went viral, and I
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was booked out overseas for a year and a half.
And that's where my journey started.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Okay, all right, it's wild, isn't it. Yes, it is wild.
I want to write this down here. All right.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
So these books you were reading, it sounded like the
classic spiratory yeah books, Yeah, okay, what was it about
those books that got you, that spoke.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
To you right to come back to me? Because all
my power was outside of me. I was constantly waiting
for my partner to make me happy. I was constantly
waiting for my job to give me fulfillment. I was
living on seventeen acres with the tennis court, with a jacuzzi,
in a six bedroom house with wallabies hopping around me.
And I wanted to end my life, like I really,
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if you had to look at my life from outside,
you're like, well, what's your problem? What's your problem? Right? So,
my internal world was collapsing because everything was attached to
other people. And if people in circumstances is going to
regulate your nervous system, you're in for a wild ride.
Because people in circumstances are constantly going to change, They're
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constantly going to fluctuate, and that means that your sanity,
your inner peace, is going to consistently be disrupted. You
will never find that balance. You will never find that
inner peace. And I started to find my inner peace
because it helped me to bring myself back to me,
how to learn how to regulate myself, how to become
my own source of support, how to call on my
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own power, remembering my divinity, remembering that I have a
support team, I have spirits, I have these angels, the
divine guidance that I can tap into. I never felt
alone again.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
Were those beliefs that you would hold before but didn't
honor or were these new beliefs that you developed.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
That's a great question. So as a child, I could
speak to my spirit guides. They were fully connected. However,
because of the wiring with going to church and my
father and the trauma that I experienced with the Christian religion,
that was rough. That's where I turned my back, because
your mind is being infiltrated with all these toxic beliefs.
(20:57):
God will punish you. God hates other you know, beings
or statues. You know, you will be punished. And I
feared God. I absolutely feared it. I feared anything spiritual.
It would it would trigger fight, a flight fear in me,
like very very severe. It took me, you know, I
had to work through my relationship with angels and reading
(21:19):
what Dori in Virtue said when she was still practicing
at the time, about these divine beings, and this really
softened me to hear someone else say these things, to
see someone else and other people having these beautiful experiences.
I mean, this is a world that I never tapped
into because I'm from a church where they would walk
around and arrest psychics sitting on the street doing readings
(21:40):
for people. Right, So this this was a complete opposite
flip side of the coin. How my life changed, and
that beautiful opening made me feel safe again to step
back into a world that I knew. But I had
to relearn how to connect, how to feel safe, what
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is okay? What is not okay? So I really had
to feel my way through it. And as I did that,
my focus continued to stay with me. What can event
What can I do to help and support myself during
this process? Which tools can I apply to myself? Where
I could feel and see the changes that came as
a result of my own effort. Absolutely, here and there
I touched on therapists for guidance and support. Absolutely, but
(22:25):
I felt safer to work on myself because I knew
that I would not let myself down.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Let me just remind everyone, I'm speaking with doctor eve Rose.
So you created your your own business. What was the
purpose for that? What how did that come about?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Because I saw the changes in myself and I said,
everyone else has to feel this. These people who are
on their knees thinking there's no solution. There is. It's
hard to see a solution.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Let's get specific, get specific about what you do. Now,
how do you those changes with people?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Great, there's a great question So now what I help
people is, first of all, we need to learn how
to feel safe again. One of the key challenges is
the nervous system is not going to regulate itself if
it doesn't feel safe. So we need to find that
place of safety again. We need to find that place
of balance and rewire it to not be attached to toxic,
negative people. Number One circumstances, outcomes, goals. These are all
(23:24):
complementary to your life. It compliments you. It shouldn't control you,
shouldn't be dependent on that. And this is one of
the main key points for me that I find when
I work with people, that is the most important. Then
we look at emotions, because emotions is the GPS of
the soul. They are the ones that's going to tell
you what you like, what you don't like, what's working
(23:46):
for you, what's not when you're in pain, when you're
in distress, when something is coming up, when something is
being triggered, when something needs to be looked at. But
we live such a high paced lifestyle that we don't
want to feel anymore, We don't want to connect. But
we need to be able to connect to feel what
this message is so that we can decode what the
body is trying to tell us, because now what we're
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all doing is we're applying the wrong solution to the
problem because we don't understand what the problem is in
the first place. So we become the hamster in the wheel.
So I help people to learn to understand what is
really truly the problem by learning and understanding what are
different sensations, meaning what is the message of it in
your body? What is your body trying to convey to
(24:29):
you when you feel a certain emotion, What is your
body trying to tell you? What do we need to
do with that? What needs to happen next? Instead of
shut up? Right, So it's more about asking what needs
to happen next, that's the biggest question. So I help
people to understand the impact of their emotions that it's
that we don't need these emotions as a crutch anymore, right,
(24:51):
because now we build all these coping strategies about around
unresolved trauma, and as these strategies often also which is
called self sabotage and second regains that we have a
hard time letting go of. So it's about rebuilding these structures,
this foundation to feel safe, not having to create hold
on to these bypasses and how to create new healthy
(25:14):
habits and ways of feeling emotions, working with them and
working through them, and actually really just letting them go
because a lot of people don't know who they are
without their pain. A lot of people feel to the point,
and I'm talking for myself now, where I felt like
a victim. It was my identity. I had no idea
who I was if I was not being a victim.
(25:35):
It almost to the point became my superpower. Right, Oh,
I'm in the victim mode now because that's how I
get what I want. I'm a victor now because that's
how it can set my boundaries. I'm a victor now,
Yeah you can, you know you can. That vulnerability becomes
a superpower. And so I had to relearn not just
how to let go of this identity, but how to
(25:56):
restructure my life into being an empowered person where I'm
not blaming people, but I'm taking control of my life. Right,
so helping people also who are stuck in that to
move gracefully and gently with love out of that back
into their powers. So it's really about how we associate
(26:19):
with ourselves, our identity, how and the biggest challenge that
I see with people when they try to heal is
that they have a fear of change. They have a
fear of the very thing that they need to embrace
in order to create the outcome that they want. So
I help people to work through fear of change as well.
This is so important.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Fear to have.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
I know, I think I felt myself in that statement
that you.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Just said, yeah, you know, wow. All right, So.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
Man, as we kind of wind down here, twenty one books, Jesus,
how the hell do you have time to write twenty
one books?
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Well, I had twenty one blips and blabs and blurbs
in my life.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Guy.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Every book is about something that I went through, and
I wrote there what I learned about it, and I
also wrote in what I learned working with my clients
as well, So it's it's a really nice blend of
that as well. So you're pretty much reading my diary including,
you know, adding other experiences that I had with clients
and how I supported them through these processes as well.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
So who do you work with? Like, who's your idel client?
Speaker 3 (27:30):
That's a great question. So I am the kind of
person that I rarely say no to people. I normally
work with anyone who needs support. So to answer your question,
I love helping people who are number one stuck, people
who have trauma from the past. They don't want to
go back to the past to heal it or relive it,
which is what I designed my technique specifically to help
(27:53):
people to not have to relive the trauma. You don't
have to talk about it. And the most and the
most famous part that people love the most is that
they don't need to remember what it was. A lot
of the times trauma was so traumatic they actually don't
want to remember. Well, great, you don't need to We
don't need to go back. We all know how memories
can change. By the validity of a memory can change
(28:14):
by fifty percent after recalling it almost five times, just
five times change is the validity of an actual memory
by fifty percent the accuracy of it. So I'm very
I'm cautious of working with memories. We'll touch on it,
but I'm more interested in how your body is feeling,
what is stuck in the body, because that never lies.
(28:35):
It never lies, Because what do you do now with
instances that happened to people before the age of three.
I mean, now we're talking about hardcore nervous system wiring
right the right brain that to stop feeling you know,
eye contact, what's your association with eye contact, what's your
association with touch, what's your association with tone? You know,
your vagual tone, and how did that develop? So all
(28:56):
these points can now attach also to other traumas that
develop as a child develops after the age of three, four, five, six, right.
So it's a really beautiful process that I love because
I love taking people back to what's called the theater
brainwave state. And it's a gentle breath work that you
can do by breathing in the nose and out the nose,
because we're in the theater brainwave state from up until
(29:16):
the age of three when we are being you know,
we're programming the whole environment. And it's a beautiful method
to go back to that state to also unprogrammed and
to declutter in a very beautiful and gentle and graceful
way as well. So it's absolutely incredible how we can
work and how I love to work with people. So
anyone also with grief, bereavement, divorce, you know, career challenges, pain,
(29:41):
psychosomatic pain, chronic pain, maybe person has an element and
they want to understand what is the emotional stress that
could have led up to that or exacerbating it. So
it can help people to manage that a lot better
and more so. There's quite a lot that we can
do and what I love to help people with.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, in terms of your website, tell people what your
website is.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
My website is Metaphysicalanatomy dot com.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Okay, we'll have that link up here at the showman's
page at the Trauma Theapist podcast dot com.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And how do you.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Work with people? Is it one on one? I'm consuming
it's virtual.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
So absolutely, so I work with people virtually one on one.
I'm also I have packages where people can book a
private retreat with me, so you can come to Bali,
Indonesia and we can work one on one. It will
be fully customized to what your needs are and you
can also go and travel and see you know, the country.
And so we love to do workshops as well. I
(30:41):
teach people how to understand messages in the body, and
then I also teach a healing technique, which is the
metaphysical anatomy technique, how to dive into the body and
to release that trauma in a really gentle way where
we dive into you know, introspection with interception, newer contagion,
and there's so many beautiful processes that come together, or
breath work, bilateral tapping. You've probably heard of that EMDR,
(31:04):
but it's not actually that process, but it's a gentle
blend that we borrowed from that as well. Poly vehicle
is also involved. It's a really really gentle process that
gives people also a lot of answers that they've been
looking for inside of the body as well as really
wonderful results. So that is how I work with people.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Lastly, Evet, how would you.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Differentiate your the work you do, the treatment you provide,
healing you provide, how would you compare that to kind
of normal psychotherapy. I know there's really not one type
of psychotherapy, but how would you say yours is differentiating?
Speaker 3 (31:49):
That's a really great question. I mean, I am a psychologist,
but I practice as evat so and it's hard to
answer that question because I love what other people do
in their pro so this is not to say who's
better and who's not what I and this is feedback
from people with just the statistics that we've been recording
as well, and people that I've trained as practitioners, And
(32:10):
what's coming back in terms of reports is that the
work goes much faster, much much faster. So we've had,
for example, sometimes not in all cases, but a lot
of cases, will have success with depression in one session,
will help someone with PTSD in an hour and a half. Right,
So it's incredibly sped up. And I think when people
(32:32):
ask me, why do you think that is one of
the reasons what I did when I designed this process,
And this is after working with all these thousands of people,
you see what works, what doesn't. What does the body want?
Not the mind, but the body, Because that's what's really
important is that the body has a way of storing trauma,
but it also has a way of how it wants
(32:53):
it to be released. And what I see a lot
of people do in processes is they peck at the body.
They peck right, like breath work. I love breath work,
but you know you can you can only breathe so
much on one issue because maybe the body needs something
else right now. You might do psychotherapy on a certain
(33:14):
trauma and it works, it helps, but then it stalls
because something else is needed. So I've learned what were
these elements that constantly came up in the body that
would cause the body to feel I need more, Well,
what is that? More So I found the answers to that,
and that's how I created this perfect script and this
(33:36):
algorithm that the body wants and what it needs to
follow to really gently and safely release.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
Amazing. I mean, you are on fire.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
I love what I do. I love it.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
You can feel it. I mean, it's it's it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You've got this intense passion for not only for what
you do, but you can feel.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I can feel how.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
You've taken almost like dragged your experience into the presence,
able to use that in the work you do.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It's very inspiring.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Bless thank you. We'll be in touch, of course, all right,
take care by everyone.
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