G Herbo Talks About Fatherhood, Dealing With PTSD, & His Rap Influences | Truth After Dark

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've seen my first murder when I was nine years old.

(00:02):
I got shot when I was sixteen years old. I
was in the streets, like I've been through a lot,
you feel me.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I grew up and somebody asked me, what do you
want to do when you grow up? You know what
my answer was? My answer was, I just want to
make it to twenty one.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Like I'm gonna count how many dead names on here?

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight? All right,
So yeah, I got eight dead names on here. And
I was sixteen years old. Who influenced me in my
life and what I was going through? It was Wayne
And then when I got like seventeen eighteen, Meek Meals

(00:44):
just changed my life for me.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
I think I'm still here today because every day I
always felt like somebody's gonna kill me.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Every day I walked out the house. Ye hey, what's
up about it? Text you? I'm working right now, right
here doing the podcast, and what's up? Dog? Paul Pierre
in the house in.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
A legend, what's up? What's the question? You are on camera?
Don't say nothing, crazy, bro?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, I told you I'm gonna bring you out for sure.
I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
We can't say the date because I'm being recorded right now.
It's a surprise. Yeah, I got you. He wanted to
be a rapper, So what what.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Do you say. I'm gonna give you some of my
back end. I give you a list something, man. I
got a list up, some funny his money. I got
a list up, some fake man. I'm gonna call you
when I'm doing man. I love you. I don't know something. Money.
He's different, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
Listen is to take it over the game, all right? Everybody,
Welcome to Truth after Dark.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Do you think that men or women are more toxic? Hello, everybody,
welcome to another episode of the Truth After Dark. I
am your host, Zar fairy Day. And of course we
have Paul Pierce here in the building.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
What's Up?

Speaker 4 (02:29):
What's Up? And we have a very special guest straight
out of Shytown. He's a platinum selling artist, a devoted father,
and one of the most authentic voices in hip hop.
Fresh Office, powerful, new track, Survivor's Guilt with Meek mil
Please welcome the one and only g Herbo.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Appreciate.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
I swear my Mama from Chicago. I just I swear
Lord from Chicago. Like some of my best friends and
family mention shot on.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
One of my cousins asked, was you from Chicago? Like, now,
I ain't from Chicago?

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Born here.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
They see you so locked in with big bro for sure,
they said, he.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Got me talking like that. But that's it's good to have.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
You do appreciate it.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
And you want to know what else you are? You
into astrology at all?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Okay, so you're a libra? Right, when's your birthday?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
October eighth? He's a Libra to October thirteen. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
And when he was sixteen, Oh wow, my pop Yeah,
my dad mom was fifteen.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
That's crazy. That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's definitely attracted to aries.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
I'm an aries.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I've got two kids that are aries, and my brothers
aries and my baby mama.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, man too, ain't the aries? My son my oldest son,
your son here aries to?

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Really? That's wold.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (03:53):
They do say that aries and Libra get along and
we balance each other out because we're opposite, Like y'all
are really chill and y'all kind of let as do
what they.

Speaker 1 (04:02):
Do because speaking them up right now, he's literally facetipped
me answer answer, what's up?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Hey? Son? What's up?

Speaker 1 (04:14):
About to text you? I'm working right now. I'm right
here doing a podcast.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
What's up?

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Paul Pierce in the house the legend. You probably got
scared the nervous.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, I know you did. Hold on while you hang up? Okay, okay,
they said, what's up?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
He's trying to tell you what up?

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Son?

Speaker 1 (04:36):
That's Paul Pierce the legend. Man, I'm right here doing
a podcast right now, working. I was about to text you,
but you just called five more times like you assisted
on talking? What's up? What's the question? You are on camera,
don't say nothing, crazy, bro? Yeah, I told Hi I'm
gonna bring you out for sure.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I got you.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
We can't say the date because I'm being recorded right NA.
It's a surprise. Yeah, I got you.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
He wanted to be a rapper.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
So what what do you saying. I'm gonna give you
some of my back end.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
I give you a little something, man.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
I got a list, something so funny out his money.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
I got lit up some fake man. I'm gonna call
you when I'm doing Man. I love you. He's different, brom.
I gonna get some money.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
He raised a little little go get it.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
I'm not even being funny, bro, I promise like I
told him to start saving his money, like like every
time he come around, you know, be like he come
around me, come around my homies.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
They gamble little money. Like he facetimed me one day.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Bro, he went to his little chance. He had like
eleven thousand dollars. Like literally, I swear to guy, he
got a lot of money saved.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Right now, which son is this is my older son,
okay there, and he'd be all like talking and he
has such a.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Big he got a lot of charisma for real, Like
he did a song. So he had made a song
and start it went viral and he posted like his
mom posted it first. It started going viral, and he
asked like he asked me to get on it. So
I jumped on it.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
I gave him a verse to the song. I'm gonna
put on my mixtape.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
I'm gonna bring him out for my big I got
a big show in Chicago summer SMAs. It's gonna be
like probably forty fifty thousand people that I'm gonna bring
him out those things.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
He's not nervous or nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, he's seven oh seven Yeah, he's different.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Bro, that's crazy. I was very authentic.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Yeah, I'm gonna get him something my back in man,
I'll probably give him like a thousand.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
Like are we gonna make any money? Like, what's up?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
A thousand for his first show? Is good? I know
I ain't go for my first show.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
That's crazy. So you have three kids, what do you
do like to be present in your kids life? Because
obviously you're a rapper and entrepreneur, you got to move
around a lot. Like what do you do to make
sure that you're like a present father?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
So like the balance for me is you like first
and foremost is sacrificed.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Some things I really just don't.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Do when I like, if I already like know stuff
on the schedule, I gotta go be with my kids.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
I pass on it.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
But a lot of times I bring my kids to
work with me too, though, Like I bring Yeah, I
probably hear Yo sign at his first show when he
was like eight months or something like that.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So I take my kids to work.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
I bring him to like interviews or whatever, because I
just got to create that balance. Sometimes when I'm on
tour and stuff, I be gone for months at a
time and weeks at a time.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
So I literally like my mom is a big help Tuto.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
So like my mom come out and I have my
kids with me while I'm just working in the studio
and all that. So that's probably why he really wanted
to rap, because I the influence was there. I had
him in the studio with me so many late nights,
even when he a kid and stuff like that. You
feel me so for me, it's like I sacrifice a
lot of time and stuff to be with my kids.

(07:55):
Like I don't take shows, I don't do a lot
of stuff like right now, I've been super big, but
like prior to I probably would like I think I
took like almost a year off just to like kind
of get ground and then like be around my kids,
work on music. But still have to like leniency to
travel back and forth home when I want to, you know,

(08:15):
because he he always lived in another state, you know
what I'm saying. I've been in la for seven years,
and he lived in Atlanta with his mom and then
moved to Miami.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
So you know he'd be traveling a lot too. Though.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
You feel me so, especially with him though, you know
what I'm saying, because my other two kids live in La.
You feel me with me, So it's like with him,
I gotta sacrifice a lot of time to travel pick
him up and go get them.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
But that's my first priority for real, Like I don't
really let nothing like clash an interfere with me being
the father.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I ain't gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
Damn, that's dope. Like, so you got the kid in Miami,
Yeah right now? He got two here.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
Yeah in La Yeah too.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Young man, like like me being an athlete and understanding
like the life. You know what I'm saying, How the
balance of it that's the most difficult part when you
kids and relationships and trying to maintain all of that,
Like what people don't understand. That's like the most That's
been the most difficult part of my life. And maybe

(09:15):
that's why when I was younger, my relationships didn't work
because it's like you got to balance kids, relationship, career. Yeah,
Like how do you find that balance or do you
have that balance right now?

Speaker 1 (09:30):
I'm still working on it for sure, you know what
I'm saying, Like I'm still trying to perfect it.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But it's like everything have to like align with each other.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
It gotta be understanding where it's like my my my
career is gonna always you know, of course be a priority,
but my kids come first, and like until I'm married,
my kids come before my relationship, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
So like for me, you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
So it's like it got to be an understanding where
it's like I gotta go and get Mike. I gotta
be an active father, present father. And it's it's a
little different with your sign because you know his mom.
She live a fast lifestyle as well. You know what
I'm saying, She travels, She make a lot of money.
You feel me, So me and her always like even
when it was rocky between us, we always hear like
an understanding, which like with him, we're gonna always figure

(10:15):
it out, you know what I'm saying, whether he gotta
come to La be with me, or I gotta travel
to go get him. You know what I'm saying, Like
a lot of times I get on the plane by myself,
no security, nothing to go get my son. Like that's
how like Supers like Stern I am about you know,
being in his life.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
You feel me, Yeah, that's all that Like that's difficult
because I ain't never had to deal with that because
like I got four kids and they all I got
three with his wife and another one. They all live
by me, right, Yeah, So now.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
He's always been in another state since he was a kid.
So like I literally sometimes I will go fly to
and from by myself just to make sure I got him.
And he see that too though, like he appreciated y Yeah,
it's the oldest yet he see that, like he started
to catch on ands like he know, like by any means,
I'm always like be there for sure.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I love people seeing this side of you. For sure
that you're expressing that because you.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Know, appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
When we're in the entertainment lifestyle, people see a side
of us that's probably not even real or like they
don't know you know what I'm.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Saying, And then be another thing like I don't really
be one of him.

Speaker 1 (11:18):
They want to expose him too much to my lifestyle,
you feel what I'm saying. So it's like I got
to create that kind of environment where even when I'm
working or doing certain stuff, it's still kid friendly for him,
you know what I'm saying. Because in the lifestyle, and
you know, the entertainment business, especially in my profession being
a rapper.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's a lot going on, you know what I'm saying,
Like a lot, It's a lot, man.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'll tell you this before you go. So, how do
you like knowing that you got young kids? They watching,
They watch your every move, they follow your They young
on social media. Well mindset is because they're a little older.
I don't know your seven year olds on social media
on social media, so they seeing everything so high? Do

(12:00):
you like be careful on what you saying, what you
do to where it's like they gonna like, oh damn,
I saw you with some like females like.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
You think of that.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
I do think of that, But another's like on the
flip sides, like I do think of that, especially when
it comes to like what I put on the internet.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
I always been that kind of guy anyways, though, Like
even before I hear kids, like I'm always thinking about
like cause and effect. Every action got a reaction, Like
I'm always been one of them type of people to
think about like have my decisions affect everybody else around me?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
You know what I'm saying. So having a kid is
like times teen for me.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
But another thing is I'm I believe in being honest
with my kids as well too, though, like you.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
Know, like my dad was like that with me.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
You feel what I'm saying, Like, I feel like it's
more so putting knowledge into him, especially with him because
he's a fast learner.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
My oldest son, he a fast learned. He catch on
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
He asked questions, you know what I'm saying, Like, I
ain't gonna lie probably like man, about a month and
a half ago or something like that, his grandma called
me like, yeah, I think you gotta have a conversation
with your son because he's seeing like you know, clips
of you, like getting arrested and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
He was like, y'ah, yeah, my dad ever been in jail,
and you know, he asking.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Questions, you know, and I ain't want to like have
him thinking like I'm a criminal or.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
Nothing like that, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
So it's definitely like honesty with me, you know what
I'm saying, Like I always been completely honest with my son.
You feel me Like he asked me because he saw
I got arrested, like with a gun with a fight arm.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
He's like, why you gotta carry a gun and stuff
like that.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
I'm like, it's really to protect me and to protect
you and to protect our family. I'm teaching him about
like his Second Amendment and all of that.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
So it's like, I believe in being completely honest with
my kids, you know. And it's just like with the
knowledge that I get him and my dad always taught
me that, Like I can only tell you so much,
and then when you get outside of that house, you
really on your own.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
In school in all these places, you can't you know
what I'm saying you You I can't think for you.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
So it's like that's that's the masdset that I have
with raising my kids. I believe in being honest for real,
Like no matter what it is, the good, the bad,
the ugly, all the parts of it, they see and
if they see it, they obviously like you know what,
kids they smart.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
You think you can manipulate them, really can't. So you
think you.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
Can manipulate them, and you can't. Bro Like, don't get
me wrong, I tried. I tried a lot of my kids.
You know what I'm saying, But you can't. So I
just believe in like full transparency, you know what I'm saying,
especially the older they get one more thing.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
So I like I was in a situation to where
I had a video that went viral that I got
fired from ESPN.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Are I'm in tune with everything?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
So like obviously I was. I was at I was
my boy's birthday. We was playing poker and girls there
bikini shaking booty doing all that, smoking weed and all that,
and it was like damn drinking and you know, I
didn't know it was the effect of it then, you

(15:12):
know what I'm saying, So like we what I try
to explain to my kids is like damn. And I
was selfish on that because I was just it was live.
This is my first time every going live ge Like
I was like, no.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Not even to cut you off. I love that video about.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
I love it because I just like, you know, me
being a fan and watching him like my whole life.
You feel, I'm saying, it's like it just made you
superhuman to me, like humanized. He do everything that humans do,
you know what I'm saying, Like he is enjoying his
life and he deserved it, like just because you Paul
ap Piers. Don't mean you can't live, you know what
I'm saying, so you could get back to you.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
So that's what I try to explain. And I'm like, man,
I'm human. I make mistakes, but like, yeah, I did it,
but my kids didn't have to see that, you know,
and we all do stuff and have our fun as
as adults. And I didn't do nothing illegal, but it
was it was like I got fired from ESPN. It
was a bad look. And then now what you got

(16:15):
understand as your kids get older, like the sins of
your father effect.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
For sure the kids definitely, you.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Know what I'm saying, Like you know, with you being
who you was when you go to school.

Speaker 2 (16:32):
Yeah he did, and I didn't realize affect. So I
gotta really be careful on some thing because I didn't
have a couple videos like that, like some a little
lower and more key than that, and I just have
to realize, like damn, I gotta be more careful. I
got daughters, but I like try to like tell them,
I'm human. I make mistakes. Y'all gonna make mistakes, but

(16:53):
you know, just I apologize, you know, because I understand
that lime life that I'm in and then we live
in the world with the camera phones, everything spread, Like wow.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I was just about to say that, like y'all generation
y'all really it wasn't too big, y'all still like yeah,
trying to get used.

Speaker 3 (17:16):
To this world with social media.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
We went live one time and now it was like
screen recorder. It's all me and him, it's all over
the internet.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
This that.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
I'm like, Baul, we can't go live. You can't go live, like,
but they don't understand the magnitude of how people are
just so like thirsty over every little move you make.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
On the.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:37):
I was just having a conversation like that, like with
my brother, just about like our generation versus like the
generation before us, Like social media really didn't exist.

Speaker 3 (17:46):
To y'all, you feel me.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
So it's like everybody, don't get me wrong, especially in
our world and our feel everybody did the same thing.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
It just wasn't broadcasting for real.

Speaker 4 (17:55):
So it's like, yes, that's what it is. Now everything
is on the camera. So they're like, wow, everybody is
so out there. Well they always been, they just didn't.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Have it on.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
We always had the same resources and exposed to all
the same stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
It just wasn't a camera for the.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Exactly tell you something for Instagram.

Speaker 4 (18:14):
It would have been canceled the locktop.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tell me about it.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Twenty six it would have been I wouldn't be sitting
here right now.

Speaker 4 (18:25):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
It would have been like, I get it.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
How old are you? By the way, I'm twenty nine,
that's okay. Yeah, you'll be thirty, okay, thirty in October.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
While you're young.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
You're younger than me.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
Okay, So like man, who let me tell you? I
didn't that lit. I didn't know. So my mistake was
when I was done with the live, I didn't know
you could screen recorded, copy it.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
It was done.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
It was.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Nobody. See.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
So look, the thing is, even when you discard, like
discard the video when you went live, somebody was on
your lave screen recorded already.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yeah, from the very second you went live.

Speaker 4 (19:09):
They don't play that. I was actually shocked when we
went live and someone was all these people screen recorded
and it's everywhere, and I'm like, yo, dang, you can't
do nothing. You gotta be careful.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
And you probably think it's low key because you might
not have like a half thousand peoples on the lab.

Speaker 3 (19:26):
It was that one person it.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Was only like about two most so you're thinking it's cool.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
It's never cool.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
It's never cool.

Speaker 4 (19:38):
God, that's crazy. So my question is, I know you
mentioned before like you growing up, and Paul's talked about this,
and I think most black men had the experience of,
you know, growing up, your father's were like, you know,
tough en up, like you gotta be gangst the crying
is soft and da. So what do you do differently
with your kids now to not put that on them?

(20:00):
Because I know that's hard, like being vulnerable and being open.
I feel like men need to allow that, you know,
space for them to express themselves in that way. And
I know Paul spoke on that before, like and you
have sons.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
What do you do well my kids?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Like I just ask a bunch of wives, like I
don't even I don't even tell them stop crying or
shut up. I'm just like, what's the problem? You know
what I'm saying, because like I'm a.

Speaker 3 (20:26):
Super like solution based person.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
So it's like, whatever it is that's bothering you, we
could talk about it. And I believe in manning up
and toughening up and facing your fears, but you got
to identify those fears before you could face them, you
know what I'm saying. So I'm super in tune with
my emotions and I try to like pass that on
to my kids, you know what I'm saying, because just yeah,

(20:49):
be growing up and generate like my father and his father,
you know, like my dad was raised, my grandfather was
like he was in the military, so he was super
wid stern for sure, Like and my dad was super
strict on me. You feel me, Like when I was
growing up, I ain't never I don't even think I
cried in front of my dad for real.

Speaker 4 (21:07):
You feel I'm saying, like out of fear or yeah.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
Just like out of fear and just like out of
already being able to just suck up my emotions, you
know what I'm saying, Like I never let him see
me that vulnerable even as a kid, for real, Like
I never cried to my dad or anything like that,
I promise, and that when I'm thinking about it, it's
really fucking me up for real, because it's like, Damn,
my dad probably never seen me cry when I was

(21:31):
a kid, you fel what I'm saying, Like he did
when I was older, Like when I lost my grandmother
and lost my little brother and stuff like that. But
like with my son, like it went super VirD when
I took him on on a cast in that stream
and like we was talking and something, he was just
like I don't know, he just broke down crying like
you feel me he was. It was like, you know,

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it was one of them super emotional beats, Like I
don't know that, Like calv was doing something he's like,
say a motivational quote or something. I did it and
they like they told were signed to do it and
he did it. He was talking about like family and
stuff like that, and it just made him get super emotional.
But I know, like me knowing my son, I understand
why he was crying because he's super Like my son

(22:12):
is very very family oriented, you know what I'm saying.
Like he asked questions like about like why I live
in LA and his mama live here, and you know
what I'm saying, like why he don't grow up in
a two parent household and stuff like that. You know,
he always asks those kinds of questions and I be
completely honest with him.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
And his mom is too, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
Like so with me, especially with my kids and like
their emotions and crying and stuff like that. I always
just ask why and what's the problem, And I tell
him it's okay to cry.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
You feel what I'm saying because when I.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
Learned about like mental health and stuff like that, Like
I got diagnosed with posting writers stress disord when I
was like nineteen, twenty years old or something. No, I
might have been a matter of fact, I was like
twenty two or something like that. You feel me, But
I've been suffering from it since I was probably my
son age. I seen my rich murder when I was
nine years old, Like got shot when I was sixteen

(23:03):
years old.

Speaker 3 (23:04):
I was in the streets, like, I've been through a lot.
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
So me being in tune with my emotions and understanding
how it made me the man I am.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
But it kind of stunned my.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Growth because I, like I felt like certain things was
just like all right, you just take it on the chain.
It is what it is, you know, And the more
you grow up in experienced life, it's like you don't
even know how to communicate what's wrong with you. You
don't know how to communicate your feelings. You don't know
how to control your anger. You don't know how to
do any of that, And I done crashed out numerous times,
you know what I'm saying. So, like, I don't want

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my son to have to do that. And the objective
of being a father is to make sure that your
kids are better than you. Like I feel like my
dad did a great job and making sure I was
a better version of him.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
So I gotta do the same thing with my with
my kids.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
So like to answer that question when it comes to
like them crying and stuff like that, I never once
told my kids, like shut up you being soft or
tough enough, you.

Speaker 3 (23:57):
Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
And my youngest he's a super crab. He cry with everything,
but he's tough. He's ten times tougher than I was
when I was that age. It's much tougher to your
sign at that age, you feel what I'm saying. So
it's like I got to figure out a way for
him to be able to channel his emotions because I
don't want him to think it's okay to like fight
or lad any of that, you know, And I see

(24:19):
that and those are my characteristics, Like he got my
traits in him already. You know what I'm saying as
a four year old. So for me, it's just like
I said, bro, just being patient with him, like trying
to see what's wrong, what's the problem, and trying to
come up.

Speaker 3 (24:33):
With the solution, like whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
Like I never I never tell my kids that they
sought for crime because me, I'm twenty nine years old
and I still cry sometimes, I like just blank out
crime sometimes like bust out crying. I'm sorry, like and
it's I can't control it because it's so many things
that I've been through and I've cried in public all
types of places. You feel I'm saying, they don't take

(24:55):
away from my masculinity and who I am as a man,
you know what I'm saying. But I just want my
kids to be able to be in tune with their
emotions at that age so by the time they get
my age, they could control them.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
You know.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
I think that's a beautiful thing because I come from
an airG to where it wasn't cool to cry. It
wasn't it was it was it was like chest up,
chain out. It was like fight back. It was like
somebody do something to you, you better do something to them.
You know what I'm saying, like people don't understand like
my air me when you start looking back at it.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
We grew up.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Really traumatized for sure, like like really traumatized on some
like gunshots you hearing that night, You come to school
the next day, Oh yeah, he got killed like what
I was just winning two days ago. And you taught
to live with that. You taught to be like it's taught.
Everything is taught to get back. You know what I'm saying,

(25:54):
It ain't taught to like damn like.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
To heal from the process.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
To talk about it.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
I dill want you to go through the school. They
do your school work and everything.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Five funerals in high school. That's not normal, you understand,
Like I went the five funerals. I'm going to a
funeral like like, oh damn him him like and we
we talk to like to give your example, I grew
up and somebody asked me, what do you what do

(26:26):
you want out of life or what do you want
to do when you grow up? You know what my
answer was? My answer was, I just want to make
it the twenty one.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
That's crazy, that's really insane when you think about it.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's what I just want to make it like, do
you hear that answer? I just want to as a
young black kid to say, I just want to make
it because most of them motheruckers I was growing up
with was either dead or in jail by twenty.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
One for sure.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
For sure, and you were shot at sixteen.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, I'm gonna show y'all. The camera can't pick it up.
But this is my very first tattoo.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
I was sixteen years old, and it's a mirror, like
I'm gonna count how many dead names on here? Like one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight?
All Right, so y'all, I got eight dead names on
here and I was sixteen years old.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
This is my very first you.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
Got that tattoo?

Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, I was sixteen.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
It's my first tattoo, and it's like a mirror like
all my homies who I had already lost at sixteen.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
It's my first tattoo ever.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Talk about growing up in Chicago, How did that shape
you until you are today? And when did you How
old were you when you knew or who was your
biggest influence in the rap game?

Speaker 3 (27:48):
In the rap game?

Speaker 1 (27:49):
My biggest influence, Like I started, I started rapping like
when I was like probably fourteen or something.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Like that.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
But by the time I was sixteen, I kind of
had game, like a little notoriety and like hood, fame
and stuff. My biggest influence was always Winge though like
low Way for sure, Yeah, Lil Wayne was my biggest influence,
and he's like the ultimate goat, you feel what I'm saying,
but me and like it's kind of like so it's
like it's it's two headed for me though, Like I'm like,

(28:18):
who influenced me in my life and what I was
going through. It was Winge And then when I got
like seventeen eighteen, Meek meals just changed my life for me,
Like you know what I'm saying, Like he was the
first guy who I seen, like really come from nothing
because I used to like be big on like Smack
DVD's freestyles too.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I used to watch that.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
I used to watch that every day comes from school
meet was like different like him read dollars.

Speaker 3 (28:46):
I used to watch all that coming from school.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
So when I seen Meek blow up, it was like
crazy to me because I already knew who Meek was
from the Flames mixtapes, the Nappy Braids, all of that,
you know what I'm saying. So when I seen him
blow up and come that. That's what made me like,
I gotta beat this right here. You feel what I'm saying, Like,
and I was already rapping, so I gotta get credit
to meet when it came to like that influence, and

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I was.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I was super deep in the streets for real when I.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Was started rapping, like I was, like I said, fourteen fifteen.
By the time I was sixteen, I had already started
making money and I didn't have no like, I didn't
have nobody to really show me, like how to take
that and turn it into something really professional.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
You feel like it was all just.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Rawing organic with me, like I had always had aspirations
of making it out. I knew it was possible, you
feel me, but I didn't know what steps to take.
So my everyday life was still being in the streets,
being in my neighborhood. You feel I'm saying like, I
had a song with Nicki Minaj when I was seventeen
years old, but I was still outside in the streets
gang banging and doing all of this crazy stuff you

(29:54):
feel I'm saying and like, and my mom was still
living in the hood for real. You feel me like
I had to drop out of school, Like I dropped
out of school like two or three weeks until my
junior year because I got so like hood famous. People
knew I went to that school. So niggas was coming
to school looking for me.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
All types of Shitigas come.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
To school like oh yeah, he go to this school
right here, you feel me. So I had to tell
my mama, like I can't go there no more.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
Like my mom.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
I was sleep one day and my mama woke me up,
like you got ninety absences Like I'm like, ma, I
can't go no more. Like I cannot go to school
no more. Niggas is looking for me. It's dangerous, like
people getting shot for real. Like King Van went to
my school.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
Me and Keevan went to the same high school and
it was crazy. I saw.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
I always tell the story and this shit is like
some of the craziest shit. People think I'd be tripping,
but it's mind blowing, bro. Like my first week in school,
I was a freshman freshman orientation, they like you know how,
they pulled the fire alarm and everybody got to leave
out the school and evacuate. Some people going to the
store going to get high trying to smoke a blunt
for they get back in school, you know what I'm saying.

(31:01):
So when they did that, were just chilling trying to
go through the same shit, go smoke and grab swishes
and shit to get half for we go back in
school because we know they gonna let.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
Us back in.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
It's a false fire alarm, Bro, somebody got shot the
fuck up right on the corner store, like my fresh
like orientation to school. I'm like, oh yeah, this shit different, bro.
It was different for us growing up, bro, And it's
like we got so like desensitized back because it was
our everyday life and we had to maneuver through it.
But now that I'm an adult, when I'm looking back

(31:31):
at it, it really traumatized us something creative.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
Like.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
It was like you know what I'm saying, And I
had to like build tough skin where it's like every
day I think I'm still here today because every day
I always felt like somebody's gonna kill me every day
I walked.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
Out the house.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
So that's why I had to like always carry a
gun everywhere I went because I always felt like the
moment I let my guard down, I'm gonna die, you know,
and I still keep that mentality to this day for real.
In some cases, you know, like I try to like
live and you know, relax and live a normal lifestyle,
but I just feel like I got to stay on

(32:06):
my toes and I kind of like, you know, I
feel like God don't make no mistakes, you feel me.
So it's like if I didn't have that mentality, I
probably wouldn't be here today. So I keep that, you
know what I'm saying. I keep that mindset. But when
it go to like hand in hand how you said
we was traumatized and just having to be super tough
where you couldn't cry and stuff like that, like when

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we grew up.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
The only time you probably a crises when you're super angry.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
For the fight, and like grammar school or something like that,
seventh eighth grade, Like I used to cry every time
I felt every time I got into a fight, I
would cry, just let all my ang out.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
And I think that's how I wanted to fight every time,
for real.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
And it's like you hit the bottle in all that
anger and all that emotion until it's time to let
it out, and that's that's like the that's not the
way though, it's not the formula because that's the easiest way.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
To crash out.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
And that outlet for me at first was basketball, you
know what I'm saying. I'm sure like that was the
way for you to let out your anger and your
emotion on the court, you know what I'm saying. And
that's what got you to the NBA because you was
able to bottle in all that and let it out
on the court and it made you dominant, you feel me.
But I had to do that in the streets, and
that's what made me dominate the streets. You feel what

(33:18):
I'm saying. Like when I was in the streets, I
had to I felt like I had to be the
alpha guy you feel I'm saying, to just show no
weaknesses at all, whatsoever?

Speaker 4 (33:27):
You feel me in like.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
For me, like when I got shot, I got kicked
off the team, so it was over with for me
for real, Like they didn't.

Speaker 3 (33:36):
It wasn't because of injury or nothing. Like it was
so bad in.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Chicago, bro, where if you ever got like shot or
any type of injury or something that involved outside of school,
they felt.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Like it was a liability to the team. You know
what I'm saying. In a way.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
I can't really blame them, you know what I'm saying,
because I don't know what. Maybe it could have saved
my life to or may say other people's laughs to
get them a second chance, whatever the case. But like
it was like straight zero tolerance in my high school.
As soon as I got shot, I got kicked off
the team. My homie got shot, He got kicked off
the team like anybody who ever got shot outside. And

(34:11):
it was like I could have just been walking to
the corner store and got shot, but they kick you
right off the team.

Speaker 4 (34:16):
It's not your fault, right, Yeah, just kicked me off.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
They kicked you off the team.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
If you got shot, they felt like you was game bang.
It was a liability. It was a threat to the
school and the team. So after that, I ain't had
nothing but the streets for real and raps. So I
just had to take full advantage of rap music. You
feel me And like back to the question of what
you asked, Like, Meet Mill was the guy for me
to get to that for sure.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Damn and Wayne, I'm.

Speaker 3 (34:44):
A big Wayne. Wayne. Wayne influenced my lyricism. I feel
like he was. Yeah, he influenced all my lyricism.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, you know when Wayne had do you remember when
Wayne sent I got a money clip? But like what
for I tell hoes that they can't hold that stick
in the back pock and make the butt. I was
such a huge fan of Wayne, like he was everything
to be growing up in high school and we're close
to the same age, so like for me, he influenced
everything for me, like like all his music, the mix tapes,

(35:14):
no one was fucking Wayne, like no one was with
nobody Like that is the person for me that like
really introduced me to, Like.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Dam Wayne, I love getting me of a rap god.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
When it comes to the Mount Rushmore, I'm gonna put
Wayne over anything.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
And what's your others?

Speaker 1 (35:32):
So if I do my Mount Rushmore and what influenced me,
I'll go Wayne, I'm gonna go meet Mill. Of course,
I gotta throw kissing there, I gotta go Jada kiss.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Okay, Jada kiss. That's different.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, I'm gonna definitely throw kissing my Mount Rushmore. And lastly,
I would I would have to like what Super influenced
like me before I became who I am?

Speaker 3 (36:00):
Old Joel san.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
That's interesting, okay, Joel, So how does it feel now
that you have music with me, like thinking that that
was someone you looked up to, like you idolize, isn't
Does that feel crazy?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
And it's super surreal? And I'm telling him that every
chance I get. You know what I'm saying, I think.
I mean, of course I know he know that because
I tell him, but you could go check like the
track record. My very first video like videos and tracks
I was putting out was all Meek Meal flips. I
was just rapping over his instrumentals and putting them on YouTube,
and those like videos got like millions of views on

(36:36):
YouTube still.

Speaker 3 (36:36):
To this day.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Really, that's crazy. Yeah, that probably feels extremely surreal, Like damn,
I watched his man blow up and now I have
music with him.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (36:45):
Yeah, y'all just dropped the.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Song we did. We did.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's the second song we got. And like me always
like he always give.

Speaker 3 (36:53):
Me like some knowledge he and time I seen him.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
That's why I fuck with Big Broke, because he talked
to me about life and maneuval in this game, especially
coming from where we come from. You know what I'm saying,
And not to get sidetrack, you feel me because I
know that like he knowed I come from the same
kind of background that he come from, you know what
I'm saying. So it's like that's what I appreciate the most,
even more than the music. It's just like the conversations

(37:17):
that he had with me about real.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Shit for real.

Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, that's real. I have a question. So you mentioned
you got diagnosed with PTSD, right, and I know you
had an album called PTSD. So were you seeing a therapist? Like,
oh you did, okay, I had to what got you?
Like it was like something you had.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I mean no, actually, I wouldn't even say I had
to let.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
Me, let me go back and change that because I
was fighting the case I had got arrested. This was
right before my son, my first born was my first
son was born, and I got arrested in Chicago because, like,
don't get me wrong, I was like, I had money,
I was famous, you know, I lived in a nice
penthouse condo downtown and.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
All of that.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
But I ain't really like I'm not gonna lie, I
didn't really understand the importance of really having twenty four
seven security with you.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
So I was my own security on the day to
day for real.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I had like I had to carry my own gun,
and I come from Chicago.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
I knew how to maneuver, don't get me wrong.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
And the thing is like that's a gift and the
curse for me because I'm the kind of guy like
I'm not gonna lie to you when it comes to
me making it home to my family. I'm gonna put
it all on the line every single time. I don't
care where I'm at, what the situation, what the circumstances are,
I'm gonna put it all on the line. And I
feel like that was God's way of blessing me at

(38:40):
that point of my life because I was too big
to be doing that, carrying a gun and thinking I
could go to certain places by myself and all of
that stuff.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
So I wound up.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Getting arrested right and like I had money, mind you.
So I went to the county and I bonded out
the same day and they kept me in there for
like eight days. Like I'm missed my son baby shower
and everything. Oh I missed the baby shawo. I missed
all of that, you feel me. So it was like
a wake up call for me, like I gotta do

(39:09):
something different. There's no way that I'm like, you know,
because I'm like strong, believing like God and I pray
and my faith is at an all time has so
I always think like it's a reason behind everything you
feel me And I'm thinking, like I posted bond six
days ago, they still got me in jail, Like I
didn't even know.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
That was possible. Yeah, and they kept me in there.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
So when I got out, I like my judge kind
of like he fucked it up for me, though I'm
not gonna lie, like he restricted me where I couldn't
leave Chicago no more like I couldn't do shows, I
couldn't do anything. I wasn't even no house arrest. He
just had me on straight like Illinois confinement. So the

(39:54):
way I got diagnosed with PTSD is whent by him
keeping me in Chicago. I still had to be up
against the same circumstances, you know what I'm saying. So
I was having a conversation with my lawyer, like I'm
just being completely honest, man, Me and my lawyer sitting
across from the table like this talking and he like, yeah, man, man,

(40:15):
you too big to be carrying a gun. And I'm like, man,
I'm fighting the case. Man, you don't fight the case.
I tell my lawyer like, man, I got a gun
on me right now while we talking to you, like
right now, while I'm still talking fighting this case, like
I'm not leaving out the house without my gun, Like
I'm not doing that. I'm in fear of my life
everywhere I go, Like I've been like this since I

(40:35):
was fifteen years old. Since I was fifteen, I ain't
never left the house without a gun. Everyone, I don't
care where I'm going, Like I went to my grandma
frienderal with a gun in church, Like I ain't never.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Left out the house without a gun since I was
a teenager.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm afraid that somebody gonna kill me, Like I can't lie,
like I'm just being completely honest. And he told me, like, man,
you need to go see a therapist. Like he told
me that, like you need to really go see a therapist.
And I listened to him. I went and saw a therapist,
and I like opened up and it was it was
comfortable for me for real, Like it was something that

(41:09):
I like, I wouldn't say I enjoyed, but it was
something that brought me like comfort where I could talk
to somebody who not judging me, who don't come from
my background, who really giving me insight on things that
could help me, you know what I'm saying with my
life and how to maneuver. And after like a few
sessions and I was fighting the case, my judge cared,

(41:29):
I mean, my therapist cared about me so much. She
went and testified on the stand like she died diagnosed
me with postramatic stress disorder and winning like gave a
statement and testified, and like when I went to court
and told them that, like you know that this guy's
really suffering from postramatic stress disorder. Like he don't mean
to hurt nobody. He ain't got no gun, trying to

(41:50):
kill nobody or nothing like that. He just trying to,
you know, protect hisself so he could make it home
in his family. And that's what made me, like name
my album PTSD and all that stuff get me chills.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
That's an incredible.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
It's crazy that he say that because I don't I
don't know if you know my backstory, Like I was.

Speaker 3 (42:08):
Stabbed, I do know that.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yeah, so I carried a gun after that.

Speaker 3 (42:13):
Yeah, I know that.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
I used to tell people like, yeah, I'm I'm going
to I'm strapped everywhere. I know, like everywhere. Yeah, for sure, Like, yeah,
I got security, but like and that fucked me up
there when I found out.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Like how the fuck did Paul Price get stabbed?

Speaker 3 (42:28):
When?

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Yeah, I definitely, I definitely know about that. That happened personally,
that's my most fear, Like I'm not even afraid of guns,
but nas I'm always been afraid of that, like my.

Speaker 2 (42:41):
Entire it was like, dude, it was like it was
two different ones. It wasn't no one on one. It
was like I think they said it was like two
or three, Like I got attacked by three people.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
It's crazy, you know, it.

Speaker 2 (42:56):
Having so fast that I didn't remember, but like when
you hear the stories in the streets and then it
was like here, if you didn't fight back, you get dead.
It was like you really fought your for your I
didn't know because when I when I got pulled out,
I was just like, oh.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
That's the crazy part about being stabbed. You're adrenaline Russian.
It's so close you don't even know until you probably
collapsed or something.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
I just know it happened so fast. Yeah, then I
got pulled into the stairwell.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It was like, oh, like I'm staff, I'm.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Talking about blood everywhere. I'm talking about I've just seen
white stuff coming out of my stomach. Like I'm like,
that's hospital, Like I gotta go to the hospital. I
had an Averrex jacket. They said that saved my life.

Speaker 3 (43:50):
Yeah, the leather the left.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Yeah, because you have that jacket on, it would have went.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I was like wow, But things like that, it's like, bro,
they can't blame you for you feeling like you gotta
protect your life from that point, like you know what.

Speaker 4 (44:06):
I'm saying, Yeah, you probably are nervous everywhere.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
It is real.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
And I didn't realize I had that because I had
to talk to a psychiatrist too. But like I was
so built, Oh my generation, I'm like, you gotta be tough.
Like I talked the one time when my mom was like, man,
I don't need this ship. You know what. Man, I'm good.
I'm good. You know what I'm saying. And I was
carrying the strap. You know, I got pulled over with

(44:32):
the strip. It was like but I had a license
at this point. I got the license Like like hey, yeah,
but if you're gonna have it, my license is like
you gotta have it.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
On you, gotta yeah, they want you to have it
concealed in the truck in the glug apartment, Like no,
I gotta be right here.

Speaker 2 (44:48):
They gotta be on you. It's like, man, I was
staying with all of that for a lot of years.
I did that, and then I started rolling deep. I
started rolling super deep.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
I used to do it out here, but I didn't
have to worry about it at home. The fact that
it happened in Bostons was crazy.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
That's the thing you would let your guard now, like
I'm out him cool.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah yeah, So like I feel like that really shaped
like your life because I didn't have no kids at
that point either. But it's just like laying on the
hospital bed, bro, you start seeing like people send me
the calls and the letters and all of that, and
the people who are really appreciate you. It like put

(45:32):
everything in perspective, you know what I'm saying, And it's
just like, damn, I got I got too many people
that care about me. You know. I don't need to
be out here like this. I gotta like, like you
you you wrapping, you cracking, I'm hooping, I'm cracking. I
need to be doing like this and this, but it's
just like the culture we come from. You know, you

(45:53):
want to be out, show your face, you know, getting known,
like everybody want with you. And it's like, you know what.

Speaker 3 (45:59):
I we grew up where you feel like you could
protect yourself.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
You like you're thinking you good, but it's like I
believe in just like universal law all and stuff like nobody.
You can't be good every time, Like you can't really
protect yourself in every single aspect. So it's like from
that point on, I started having like heavy security, like
I'm on my security to.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
La like I was.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
I wasn't even playing like that, no, more like two
three security guards and like people to just be able
to look at look for me when I'm not paying attention,
like eyes in the back of my head and then
eyes in the back of their head.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
You feel me, like that's how That's how I like
to move. Now you feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:37):
So it's like and it all came from experience because
I'm thinking like, all right, I'm cool, I got my gun,
I can get myself out of any situation.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
But that's not really the case for real. Exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Got to start thinking like no, absolutely, I got to
get home no matter what, because I know, like I
got little ones that's looking up to me that need me,
you know what I'm saying, because without a father, I
don't even know my dad like I know who he is,
and I probably spend like a little like last time
I probably seen my dad was like like six years old.

(47:10):
Maybe because I got the picture, that's all. I got
the gold, you know what I'm saying. So I know
that I got to get home because I know my
kids need me, need to see me, hear me right,
touch me at times because they live close to me,
and you know, I do my little TV thing podcasts
and let them know, like god like, I try to

(47:31):
be a good influence and I know that's important though,
just to hear this, knowing where you came from, knowing
where you're at today.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
No, for sure, that's the best balance for me.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Bro Like, no matter what I'm doing, bro Like, I
don't never really feel complete And tell them.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
With my children, like literally, I'm not even.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Gonna lie to you, like that's like the purest form
of completion. Like with my kids, I'm just laying on
the couch watching TV, and my kids want to lay
under me, Like that's the best feeling ever happened. You
could be like plays with toys or whatever. You just
want to come late under me, Bro, I feel so
like I feel like a king when they do that

(48:12):
relationship wise, relationship wise, I'm in a good space in
my relationship.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
You're gonna.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
So it's no secret we all know that you have.
You know, the two mother the mothers of your children
are popular like influencers. And how it was it or
how does it feel to have these public relationships, Like
I know that can't be easy, Like everything you do
is in the limelight.

Speaker 3 (48:37):
Yeah it's not.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
I ain't gonna lie because the crazy thing with me
is I ain't never been in a relationship until I
got with my my oldest son mom, Like that was
my very first like real relationship. I ain't and my
mom gonna tell you like I ain't never introduced no
girls to her in high school.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
None of that type of shit, Like I.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Was really on the street.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
The women they came in go like they come in nighttime,
leaving them off for real, Like I ain't never hear
the relationship.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
So that being my first relationship.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
And me being who I am and who she was
and having status and then having a kid and it's
in a public eye.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
People like I don't. I feel like people they don't
believe in like.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
The way that life happens, Like they think everything is
supposed to be a fairy tale and that's not the case.
So it's like when like me and HRS split and
stuff like that, it was just like it was too
much for me for real, Like you know, it was
just like it's in your face every day, like everything
you do in comment on and they comment on how
you move. You feel me and like I was still young, bro,

(49:44):
I was twenty two years old at the time. You
feel what I'm saying something to come from out of
that situation and then get into another relationship and to
make that relationship serious. Now they critiquing everything you do
in that second relationship.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
So it's like that was that's different, bro, to have
like the entire world looking at your relationship judging and
critiquing it. And like with me as a man, I
feel like I could deal with it in a way
because I don't respond, Like I don't even respond to
the internet. I don't care to give my two cents
I don't really care about the public opinion, but as

(50:19):
a woman, that's kind of hard for women to deal with,
you know what I'm saying, So like behind closed doors,
you're getting grilled like, oh, yeah, why you didn't say
this to this and while this person doing this, and
why they this and this, and it's like, I just
want to live a regular life like a human being,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I don't really care to respond to the internet of
any of that, so.

Speaker 4 (50:40):
Like, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at your reaction.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I'm talking you over like me too.

Speaker 4 (50:47):
Bah.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
It's like, damn, yeah, I don't really care about that
type of shit.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
But like for me, especially with like both of the women,
like my baby mama and then you know what I'm saying,
and my girl being like in a public eye and
both of them being somebody's you know what I'm saying,
It's like it's definitely a lot because I gotta worry
about my fans and their fans. On top of that,
these people who don't even care about me. Y'all don't

(51:15):
know my music, y'all don't know shit about me. I
don't probably know two songs, but y'all under my page
commented about you know what I'm saying, So it's like,
you gotta I don't know. I feel like as a man,
you gotta be able to, like, you gotta be able
to like just.

Speaker 3 (51:30):
Be confident in who you are and the decisions you make.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
You know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta be confident
and just knowing like, all right, I'm doing the right thing.
I'm putting on for my family, like I'm the head
of my household no matter what. And I feel like
if you do that, then you're a woman to follow
you for sure.

Speaker 4 (51:46):
That's real. I agree with that too. I can imagine
that public eye relationship, strange relationship as a woman because
even now, like people always say stuff about me on
the internet, but I can't imagine to that degree and
then having a public relationship and people were like why
is he doing this?

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Why?

Speaker 4 (52:02):
And then gets in your head and you're like, wait
a minute, why why didn't you know? So that could
be crazy, But I've seen that both of the mother
children are cool now and they're vibing and locked in.
And Paul has talked about how now even his dynamic
like he does Thanksgiving with both of his ex wife
and the mothers. Yeah, is that something that you can

(52:24):
see happening for you?

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Yeah, that see it happening for sure. You know what's crazy?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
And I promise, man, I'm not even lying at all,
Like I always knew it was going.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
To happen anyway, because the way that I moved.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Like you know what I'm saying, the way that I moved.
So it's like I ain't cutting the corners, I ain't
did nothing.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
I'm not. I'm choosing right every time. You know what
I'm saying, Like, I'm choosing right ed time, and right
is what's best for my children. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
It ain't about like how you feel and how you
may feel at the end.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
Of the day, even how I may feel, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
What I'm saying as a man, you gotta swallow your pride,
but at the end of the day, the love for
the kids will get you there, you know what I'm saying.
So it's like when all of us going on, I
wasn't like I wasn't feud and whatever problems they may
have had because as a woman women, I learned this
my dad, my father told me this when I was
a kid.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
Man, he said, women are.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
Like ocean like the emotions, just like they say what
they feel. Like a man, we're gonna say what we
mean every single time. You feel me, like a man
gonna say what they mean and a woman gonna say
what they feel. So I used to just like, I right, cool,
like you gotta sh like I'm not even stepping into
it or nothing you feel I'm saying. I feel like

(53:40):
I think that's what That's what helped me at the
end of the day, because like from my first baby
Mama and then you know what I'm saying and dealing
with with Tyana, it was just like I always just
cared about right or wrong, like and I own up
to my mistakes as well, you know what I'm saying,
Like I accept the accountability and whatever part art that

(54:00):
I may play that make you know what I'm saying,
both parties fell away, you know what I'm saying. So
it's like years down the line, I feel like I
definitely feel like we'll be able to have Thanksgivings, Christmases.

Speaker 3 (54:10):
All of that kind of shit. You know what I'm saying.
It's like and that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I definitely feel like that. I definitely
feel like that's a possibility. You know what I'm saying.
It's just like with me, bro, like I don't I
don't take things personal, especially if it's like if it's
not stuff that I can't control, you feel what I'm saying, Like,
I don't take it personal, and like and you know,
like my girl, she didn't said it before, like a

(54:36):
bunch of times, like and she even told like she told,
she told all right before a couple of times, like
he would just like not even say stuff, like he'd
be like, all right, whatever it is, like, all right,
should be hight tomorrow, Like.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Like she'd be hright to mom. Man, I ain't gonna
say nothing about that.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
Ship as a woman that can sometimes get on our
earth to damn, you're not gonna stand up there.

Speaker 3 (54:59):
You're gonn take me.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
You're gonna take govern me. Like I can see how
that's frustrating as a woman, but I can all see
how as a man, you're just like I don't want.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
To I'm gonna say this, Like as a man, especially
dealing with your woman, you have the feel you got
the you could do that. You feel me like you
could do that, And I'm gonna always protect you. I'm
always like you know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna
always protect you, But I'm not. I can't go out
and say the things that you might want to say
because I might get it wrong. I might can't deliver
a message the way that you want to deliver. I

(55:29):
can only deliver my messages, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (55:31):
So it's like that's real with me. It was just
like I ain't never I never cared to do that, bro,
I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
Yeah, that's real.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Right. So you got some new music coming out?

Speaker 3 (55:43):
Yeah I do.

Speaker 2 (55:44):
Man, let's got going on? What you got going on?

Speaker 1 (55:47):
I got I got a new mixtape coming out, man
that I've been working on is called Spiral King Spiral
and like so it's like with me, I always been
a workaholic, Bro. I live in the studio like all
day every day.

Speaker 3 (56:02):
I cannot.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
I gotta go to the studio at least five times
a week. Like that's what I was saying earlier, Like
I have my kids in the studio. That's how I
balance fatherhood with my career and my passion because I gotta.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
It's like it's like a form of thinguary.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
That's my sanctuary.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (56:19):
It's like like how you got to go to the
gym and get shot out?

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Bro, Like anytime, no matter what I'm going in the morning,
in the morning, I can't That's my same thing. Strike
you got like one or two hours I'm in there,
I'm not thinking about my problem, nothing, that's not to know.
But if I'm gonna get that two three hours out
of the day, I'm good. Then I go back to
the real life.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
And they help you and help you think about like
you know what I'm saying, Like even though you're not
thinking about it, then when you get out, you gotta
click head. You can make certain decisions, like certain shit
I won't even respond to get out of the studio, Damn,
you feel what I'm saying. So like, that's how I
carry the music, and I feel like with that, I
bring my problems in the studio with me. So like

(57:00):
I think that's all my fans fuck with me so
much because I'm vulnerable, Like I don't care about holding back.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
You know. I used to always think about that. Yeah,
I used to always think.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
About like damn, I shouldn't say this. But now it's
like now I'm letting that ship out. Bro, I'm just
bleeding all my pain and everything I've been through my
music and I've been dropping a lot of music lately.
You feel what I'm saying like right now, and don't
I don't do this, bro, I'm super humble, like I
don't brag or none of this. Like right now, I
just heard from from my label. I got distribution through

(57:34):
through Universal and they told me I got like the
biggest record right now and the whole umg other than
like Drake and Kendricks, I love the biggest.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Good for you.

Speaker 4 (57:52):
You put that pain out there. You don't realize telling
peoples things you go.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
And there was something I just was talking, bro, Like
I was just in the studio talking. I didn't think
this song was gonna do what it's doing for me
anything like that. And I think it was just someone
just like like I said, I stopped holding back like
I used to think a lot like man, if I
say this, she gonna get mad, he gonna get mad,
Like I don't do that no more.

Speaker 4 (58:17):
Bro, real when you just yourself and he tells me
this all the time. He's always like, just be you.
And when you're you, that's when you get your you
attract the people that's your that's your try like you
just got to be who you are. And even sometimes
I say stuff and I'm shocked that so many people relate.
And sometimes you think you in that ship alone, you know,
So that's dope.

Speaker 2 (58:37):
I love.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
That's a great feeling when you see who love you
for you for that's what they make it give you
the confidence like oh yeah, I could just you know
what I'm saying, give you the confidence you feel me
because it's eight billion people in this world for a reason,
like a lot of people who just like you, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
So it's like that's what I do with the music.

Speaker 1 (58:57):
So like, like I said, my new project King Inspired
coming out and I'm working on my album as well.
At the same time, I'm gonna name my album Little Herb.
And that's just like me kind of closing that chapter
from me starting music when I was fourteen fifteen.

Speaker 3 (59:14):
I'm about to be thirty this year.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
So it's like that little it's just like you know
what I'm saying, Like I'm just closing that chapter, but
it's building, like I mean, it's putting all of that
into perspective.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Everything that I've been through. And I've been rapping for
fifteen years for real, bro, It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Yeah, half my life, I've really been like an artist
for real. So it's like it's a blessing.

Speaker 3 (59:35):
Man.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
I'm super grateful and to be able to do it
at this level still, you know what I'm saying. It's
like a super blessing, bro. So I'm excited for what's
to come for sure. Man, I got both of those
projects in the chamber right now.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Like I'm excited. I can't wait because I love real
raw music.

Speaker 3 (59:49):
Yeah yeah, no, sure, it's coming wrong, okay, Jo.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
So before we close out, we gotta ask you this
because we ask everybody that comes on. Paul had a
viral clip and he says marriage is for old people
and poor people.

Speaker 3 (01:00:05):
I didn't even see that clip. I'd be in tuned,
but I ain't see that that one. Go crazy, So
everyone has old people?

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
Yes? Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:00:13):
So what is your opinion?

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
Do you want to get married? Do you believe in marriage?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
You think it's I always wanted to get married my
whole life. I used to play the you know, I
don't know if you ever heard of it, like mash.

Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Like, yes married?

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
What was it again. It was like married single. What
was that?

Speaker 4 (01:00:33):
Oh damn, I used to play exactly. It was like
marriage apartment like something her apartment house.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah something else? Yeah yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. I
used to always, like, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Want to be married, and I always used to want
to like a luxurious life and take care of my
family and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
I do believe in marriage. I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
My parents married, like my mom. My dad passed away
last year in October, for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
Yeah, it's my dog. But my dad and my mom
been together like forty years, like my mom and dad.
My dad and my mom. He was nineteen, she was
sixteen when they got married, and they've been together ever since.

Speaker 4 (01:01:13):
You know, how is your mom?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
She she holding up, She holding on like some days
she cool and like some days she laughing and breaking down.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
She sent me pictures she going through, She and that
face going through. She going just like pictures that I've
never seen my whole life. She's sending them to me,
you know what I'm saying, So like, yeah, I pray
for my mom all the time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
She she definitely my mom is a trooper. She is
super like, she's strong. Man.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
My mom's a gangster, ain't gonna lot and when it
was going on, like I didn't even my mom didn't
cry when it was going into her. She didn't cry
the funeral, none of that. Like me, me and my dad,
we was like we had a rocky relationship when I
was young and in the streets I was like a rebel.
So me and my dad didn't really get along. And
I used to despise my dad in a way like

(01:02:03):
you feel me, because like I was going this way
and I felt like I couldn't like talk to him
about certain stuff. You feel I'm saying. It was like
he was super like judged mental and like critiquing me
on stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
But it's like I felt like what my dad instilled
in me, like what he used to tell me when
I was a kid is what got me to maneuver
through the streets and got me to this point. So
when I felt like I couldn't really like tell him
what I was going through because he was against it
and he didn't want to hear it. Like I feel like,
even as your son, no matter what, when I make
it home at night, I need to be able to

(01:02:38):
tell you what I got going on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
You feel what I'm saying, because God forbid anything happened
to me or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Like you got to be able to understand who I
am and who I was as a man, what I
got going on.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
You need to be able to think for me if
I'm not there all of that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
You feel me and my mom was that for me,
Like I used to like confide in my mom when
they came to things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
You feel what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
So it's like me and my dad had a rocket
relation ship up until I became like twenty three four,
but he always been there. Though my dad has never
missed a step in my life no matter what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
So like, as we got older, I mean as I
got older and I started like getting super close to
my dad and he was like enjoying life for me,
coming to my shows and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
We became like best friends. You feel I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:03:22):
My dad passed away, Like I said, his birthday was
October sixteenth. He passed a day after his birthday, Dad
on October seventeenth from a heart attack.

Speaker 3 (01:03:30):
Like it was crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
My last conversation with my dad was like I told
him happy birthday. I'm like, yeah, man, you're getting older,
you're on your way.

Speaker 2 (01:03:37):
Like you on your way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
It was my last, like the last conversation I heard
my dad. He passed away like four o'clock in the
morning the next day. You feel what I'm saying. But like,
so like everybody in my family married, Like my mom married,
my auntie's Mary, Like everybody in my family is married.
He literally like all my aunts, everybody, they all married,

(01:04:00):
They've been with their husband for twenty years and all that.
So it's like I do want that for myself for sure,
Like I definitely believe in marriage for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
That's good.

Speaker 4 (01:04:10):
We love that. Yeah, brother, yes, thank you so much
for coming through. And also thank you for your vulnerability
and your openness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:22):
No, that's honor to be here man, just to be
able to have a conversation with y'all man, especially you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:27):
For sure, I've been watching my whole life. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I'm like this, like I believe in like honesty and
transparencies and vulnerability is like that's what makes me who
I am. And I feel like if I can help
one person and I'm cool with that, you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Me, I'm coming on. I can't wait. For I can't wait. Lord,
Hey Lord, I'm pulling up all you Look, Lord, I'm
pulling up. Look.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I love that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:55):
Yes, thank you guys so much. We appreciate you for
coming for real life. And again you're honest and your
transparency is so refreshing. No you to go.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
I really put because you made sure I got him.
Don't say yeah I put it. I put it with
my team and everything that. It's new to be here
on time. I ain't gonna lie. Time, ain't my best
drown suit, but I came here.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
You was on time.

Speaker 2 (01:05:22):
I was like, you know we seven thirty. If you
get an eight thirty, that spine, you know, you know
we got stuff to do. Man, I wanted to put
appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:31):
Thank you though.

Speaker 4 (01:05:32):
That means a lot, seriously, so we appreciate you so much.
Thank you again for pulling out. I loved everything you
had to say, and I think that is a really
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